Kawhi is not resigning here

[DeRozan m8]

Met a family member of a Spurs player last night .

2 things I learned.

Kawhi is going back to LA - whether it be Lakers or Clippers, it's happening. He wants to go home, the relationship problems with the Spurs and Spurs doctors is a big thing and its done, the reports are true.

Danny Green is gone too.

Cheers.

[daslicer]

Met a family member of a Spurs player last night .

2 things I learned.

Kawhi is going back to LA - whether it be Lakers or Clippers, it's happening. He wants to go home, the relationship problems with the Spurs and Spurs doctors is a big thing and its done, the reports are true.

Danny Green is gone too.

Cheers.

So you talked to Kawhi's uncle.

[tmtcsc]

Met a family member of a Spurs player last night .

2 things I learned.

Kawhi is going back to LA - whether it be Lakers or Clippers, it's happening. He wants to go home, the relationship problems with the Spurs and Spurs doctors is a big thing and its done, the reports are true.

Danny Green is gone too.

Cheers.

Let me learn you a couple more things:

1. If Kawhi leaves San Antonio it will be to where the Spurs trade him. They aren't just letting him walk without getting compensation.

2. The Spurs don't want Green back.

[Leetonidas]

Fuck off with this played out schtick already

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Fuck off with this played out schtick already

It really does get old. Must have happened at HEB.

[spurs10]

I guess there is 2 out of 29 chances he could get traded to LA next season? Hopefully someone mentioned to the family member that he is signed. :)

[hater]

The poor bastard cannot even wipe his own ass let alone sign a piece of paper

[MoSpur02]

Is he in attendance? I find it weird that I don't even see him at home games. That's just strange. Seems very disconnected.

[cheguevara]

Is he in attendance? I find it weird that I don't even see him at home games. That's just strange. Seems very disconnected.

its either good news or bad

either hes getting ready to play next 2 games or he is gone forever

[Stabula]

The poor bastard cannot even wipe his own ass let alone sign a piece of paper

I don't know why this is still funny, but it is. :lol

[tholdren]

Met a family member of a Spurs player last night .

2 things I learned.

Kawhi is going back to LA - whether it be Lakers or Clippers, it's happening. He wants to go home, the relationship problems with the Spurs and Spurs doctors is a big thing and its done, the reports are true.

Danny Green is gone too.

Cheers.

Thank god

[DeRozan m8]

Fuck off with this played out schtick already


Honestly wasn't doing that schtick thing

He's not signing supermax unless there's some backroom deal where he gets sent to LA...like cp3...

And yes, Spurs don't wanna pay Danny

[99 Problems]

Was the source an older, cigarette smoking guy, in a long coat, standing in a doorway shadow, who was once upon a time on the X-Files?

[Ice009]

Honestly wasn't doing that schtick thing

He's not signing supermax unless there's some backroom deal where he gets sent to LA...like cp3...

And yes, Spurs don't wanna pay Danny

So how would the LA thing work? Does he want the Spurs to trade him there? What if he gets traded to another team? Is he going to try and force them to trade him to one of the LA teams?

[Spurtacular]

:lol Today's apalisoc_9 sock.

[Ice009]

I'm pretty much going to say that you don't know shit or have heard that from any family member associated with the Spurs.

[ElNono]

waiting on t-spence for confirmation, tbh

[DeRozan m8]

I'm pretty much going to say that you don't know shit or have heard that from any family member associated with the Spurs.

I have no reason to make it up.

I don't want him to leave

[duncan2k5]

Kawhi definitely doesn't wanna play for any of the LA teams... The guy wants to win

[Twisted_Dawg]

So how would the LA thing work? Does he want the Spurs to trade him there? What if he gets traded to another team? Is he going to try and force them to trade him to one of the LA teams?

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If he gets traded to a team not in LA, he will simply tell them his quad still hurts and he can't play.

[dbestpro]

Leonard may have mental issues and may not get back on the court again. If he does simply get back on the court once traded then look for the Spurs to try and recoup a large portion of his salary.

[Expert]

What's going to be interesting is how :lol it will be when Kawhi returns to the starting lineup like nothing ever happened, and nothing else is said about it, because the media will let Pop off the hook on it.

[Ice009]

I have no reason to make it up.

I don't want him to leave

Where did you talk to this "family member"? You don't have to tell us who it was, but I am curious where you spoke to them about it? And how adamant where they that he wants out?

[dbreiden83080]

Great so he can play someplace else, make 20 plus million and not play because he has a hangover.

[Play Boban]

Is he in attendance? I find it weird that I don't even see him at home games. That's just strange. Seems very disconnected.
He can’t even wipe his own ass, so he’s wallowing in a pile of his own shit at home tbh.

[Play Boban]

Kawhi definitely doesn't wanna play for any of the LA teams... The guy wants to win
He doesn’t even have the will to play, and you say he has the will to win???

[picnroll]

Met a family member of a Spurs player last night .

2 things I learned.

Kawhi is going back to LA - whether it be Lakers or Clippers, it's happening. He wants to go home, the relationship problems with the Spurs and Spurs doctors is a big thing and its done, the reports are true.

Danny Green is gone too.

Cheers.
Good. Guy doesn’t even come to sit with his team at home games. Pathetic. Trade him for the best deal Spurs can get. He’s the worst “team leader”, and you can’t pay a supermax contract for someone I doubt any Spur has the least respect for. Sets the worst example ever.

[CapitalEmm]

Good. Guy doesn’t even come to sit with his team at home games. Pathetic. Trade him for the best deal Spurs can get. He’s the worst “team leader”, and you can’t pay a supermax contract for someone I doubt any Spur has the least respect for. Sets the worst example ever.

This x100.

Supermax should be for your leader on and off the court. Show up to the games, cheer on the team, stay in contact, etc.

Offload this POS and see what other pieces you can get and build around somebody who cares about the organization.

[Russo21]

Offload him to the worst team in the league, Brooklyn, Magic or the Hawks. Or send him to the shittiest NBA city where he'd hate life. Get him out of the western conference and let him deal with being on those shit teams. He will probably just sulk and not play cause his team would have no chance of winning.

[BackHome]

Hey I am all for trading him to who ever gives us the best picks and players. Pop better not bend over and say “ We want to make Kawhi happy so will trade him at any team he wants”.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

The poor bastard cannot even wipe his own ass let alone sign a piece of paper

[Hoops Czar]

B-b-but he's building his mom a house in San Antonio??????

[DeRozan m8]

Where did you talk to this "family member"? You don't have to tell us who it was, but I am curious where you spoke to them about it? And how adamant where they that he wants out?

It was at a basketball game, we sat next to each other.

My missus started talking to them about how cute his kid was (he was with his daughter and wife) and one thing led to another.

[UZER]

It was at a basketball game, we sat next to each other.

My missus started talking to them about how cute his kid was (he was with his daughter and wife) and one thing led to another.

She’s pregnant?

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Hey I am all for trading him to who ever gives us the best picks and players. Pop better not bend over and say “ We want to make Kawhi happy so will trade him at any team he wants”.

Assuming the OP is all true, just for a moment, and I don't...

You shouldn't allow him to dictate the terms though. And you shouldn't allow him to go to the Lakers, your all time nemesis. There are other teams that could make more than satisfactory compensations in trade without forcing your fan base to suffer the indignity of seeing him pace up and down at The Forum with celebrities shining his knob.

If he wants to play hardball, let him do so and ruin his reputation.

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B-b-but he's building his mom a house in San Antonio??????

Yeah, what was the sourcing for that anyway? I just googled it and found squat.

[Ron Swanson]

Fuck off with this played out schtick already

[CGD]

Nah, he’ll sign his big money deal here, wait out his requiredyear, and then have his uncle demand a trade in the summer of 2020.

[spursistan]

Nah, he’ll sign his big money deal here, wait out his requiredyear, and then have his uncle demand a trade in the summer of 2020.
It is rather hilarious how many fanboys are still giving this dude the benefit of the doubt despite him being already engaging in the biggest bush league move done against this franchise..:lol

What you described above is the scenario I'm actually expecting to play out here..

[Ice009]

It was at a basketball game, we sat next to each other.

My missus started talking to them about how cute his kid was (he was with his daughter and wife) and one thing led to another.

Thanks for the info if true. Are you American? I wouldn't think "missus" is a commonly used word in the US?

[Play Boban]

Offload him to the worst team in the league, Brooklyn, Magic or the Hawks. Or send him to the shittiest NBA city where he'd hate life. Get him out of the western conference and let him deal with being on those shit teams. He will probably just sulk and not play cause his team would have no chance of winning.

[Play Boban]

B-b-but he's building his mom a house in San Antonio??????
:lol

[Atl Spur]

If he leaves.......he leaves! Until then, he’s a spur.......... Crybaby ass dudes on here; don’t know nothing about this mans life but got so much to say!

[r0drig0lac]

If he leaves.......he leaves! Until then, he’s a spur.......... Crybaby ass dudes on here; don’t know nothing about this mans life but got so much to say!

[cd021]

Let me learn you a couple more things:

1. If Kawhi leaves San Antonio it will be to where the Spurs trade him. They aren't just letting him walk without getting compensation.

2. The Spurs don't want Green back.

Yes on both, the more it seems tbh.

[cd021]

Nah, he’ll sign his big money deal here, wait out his required year, and then have his uncle demand a trade in the summer of 2020.
Better for us tbh, then the Spurs could trade a superstar- assuming he can wipe his ass by then (hat tip to Hater :lol) with four years remaining on his deal. Suddenly he has less control of who he goes to so a team like Phoenix, could be emboldened to deal for him because its not like he can force his way out from a second team without further backlash. Dwight did it with one team and people are still done with him.

[Killakobe81]

Assuming the OP is all true, just for a moment, and I don't...

[B]You shouldn't allow him to dictate the terms though. And you shouldn't allow him to go to the Lakers, your all time nemesis. There are other teams that could make more than satisfactory compensations in trade without forcing your fan base to suffer the indignity of seeing him pace up and down at The Forum with celebrities shining his knob.

If he wants to play hardball, let him do so and ruin his reputation.

Please. We are not your nemesis ...never was outside this forum...

[DeRozan m8]

Thanks for the info if true. Are you American? I wouldn't think "missus" is a commonly used word in the US?

Nah, from Australia.

Family member was from The US though, wasn't Pattys family or anything.

Can assure you it was true.

[jermaine]

If he leaves.......he leaves! Until then, he’s a spur.......... Crybaby ass dudes on here; don’t know nothing about this mans life but got so much to say!

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! They paying this nigga 19Million dollars to do his fucking job!!! An he won't even sniff the court cuz he's not 100%... Distancing himself from his team.. GTFOH IM OFFENDED

[duncan2k5]

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! They paying this nigga 19Million dollars to do his fucking job!!! An he won't even sniff the court cuz he's not 100%... Distancing himself from his team.. GTFOH IM OFFENDED

How is he distancing himself from his team? He practices, green says they text all the time, pop said they talk every day... U guys are funny

[Atl Spur]

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! They paying this nigga 19Million dollars to do his fucking job!!! An he won't even sniff the court cuz he's not 100%... Distancing himself from his team.. GTFOH IM OFFENDED

Way to emotional homie....... let it play out or not!

[Biggems]

If the relationship is that sour, trade him away to the eastern conference team that gives you the most compensation....or to the sorry ass suns or kings.

[Canyonero]

so hes not going to quit his position? great news

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[jermaine]

How is he distancing himself from his team? He practices, green says they text all the time, pop said they talk every day... U guys are funny

If this is true, why the team meeting!?! An I'm emotional cuz I love sports an I spend my hard earned money on this team. Lots of it.

[Stand]

Please. We are not your nemesis ...never was outside this forum...

Hard to have a rivalry when one team can't even make it to the playoffs.

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Hard to have a rivalry when one team can't even make it to the playoffs.

Right, what 5 years running, now?

[Gummi Clutch]

Please. We are not your nemesis ...never was outside this forum...


Hard to have a rivalry when one team can't even make it to the playoffs.


Right, what 5 years running, now?


:lmao :lmao

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Nah, from Australia.

Family member was from The US though, wasn't Pattys family or anything.

Can assure you it was true.

His inability to show up for the last home game, after the meeting became public is somewhat disconcerting, I must admit.

My issue isn't so much the injury, it's the lack of apparent effort to be involved with the team. I don't get that at all. And I think Manu made reference to that as well, though he tried to soften it some.

[cd021]

Dunc'd On made a interesting point; The Spurs could simply offer him the designated player super max but instead of the full 35% max, have it be 32%. If he doesn't return this season, then he'll probably be inclined to sign it and lock into guaranteed money that he wouldn't be able to make otherwise.

If Kawhi plays well next season and still wants to be moved then the Spurs could move him with 4 years remaining on his deal thus opening the field up to teams that wouldn't otherwise make a move for a disgruntled superstar for fear that he would sign elsewhere.

Teams with good assets and lack of top talent, such as Phoenix or Atlanta could enter the sweepstakes and drive up Kawhi's value by giving the Spurs various options.

On the other hand, if Kawhi and PATFO can repair their relationship and Kawhi returns to his 2016-2017 level then the Spurs will have locked up him up but at a pretty good discount.

[duncan2k5]

If this is true, why the team meeting!?! An I'm emotional cuz I love sports an I spend my hard earned money on this team. Lots of it.

Why the team meeting? Parker being a dick... He is the one who called it... What is everyone else gonna do? Say "no"? That's why Kawhi was surprised by it... Everyone else understood that the guy isn't ready, but Parker being Parker had to start some drama

[koriwhat]

people and their sources on ST... this place is such BS.

[DeRozan m8]

people and their sources on ST... this place is such BS.

Unfortunely some people with bogus stories and schticks have ruined it for others.

Too many people cried wolf, so I understand why you may not think I'm being serious.

[tholdren]

im a huge gay

[koriwhat]

...

glad you're finally out of the closet. more power to you!

[Ice009]

Unfortunely some people with bogus stories and schticks have ruined it for others.

Too many people cried wolf, so I understand why you may not think I'm being serious.

Even though you've heard what you've heard, do you think he is definitely gone, or do you still think he might stay?

[tholdren]

glad you're finally out of the closet. more power to you!

Sorry dude. I dont like you. Stop hitting on me.

[DeRozan m8]

Even though you've heard what you've heard, do you think he is definitely gone, or do you still think he might stay?

I mean, anything can happen, but the dude seemed adamant

[Ice009]

It was at a basketball game, we sat next to each other.

My missus started talking to them about how cute his kid was (he was with his daughter and wife) and one thing led to another.

Re-reading this, I'm a little confused. So you were with your wife, and your wife was talking to the family member of the Spurs player who was there with their wife and kid? Where was the game that you attended by the way? Was it in the US?

[SAGirl]

I don’t think this guy is trolling. He just doesn’t have that track record. Obviously even things as they are right now can change...

[UZER]

If this is true, why the team meeting!?! An I'm emotional cuz I love sports an I spend my hard earned money on this team. Lots of it.

Why would you spend your hard earned money on the Spurs of all teams when the head coach admits it’s not that important to him, and coaches that way?

[Prose]

Y’all are forgetting most of us thought he would be mvp this season. I am mad at this too just as much but no situation were we get rid of him we are better off for it. . I’m sorry we just accept this and look forward to need hear like 2000 when Timmy got hurt. My bet is he is playing safe after seeing what has happened to isiah Thomas (like Derrick rose did in 2012-13). Remember if he dosent accept the offer this offseason and doesn’t play next year to his previous level he won’t qualify for the super max so he has motivation to return. Also guys are notorious for not wanting to go back home bc it is very distracting and an extra burden. Plus wasn’t he dad murdered there. Would you really think he has fond memories there.

[Slippy]

wont be surprised if Kawhi is traded. Too many bridges burnt on both sides it seems

[daslicer]

Y’all are forgetting most of us thought he would be mvp this season. I am mad at this too just as much but no situation were we get rid of him we are better off for it. . I’m sorry we just accept this and look forward to need hear like 2000 when Timmy got hurt. My bet is he is playing safe after seeing what has happened to isiah Thomas (like Derrick rose did in 2012-13). Remember if he dosent accept the offer this offseason and doesn’t play next year to his previous level he won’t qualify for the super max so he has motivation to return. Also guys are notorious for not wanting to go back home bc it is very distracting and an extra burden. Plus wasn’t he dad murdered there. Would you really think he has fond memories there.

Normally I would believe that but with all the bs his uncle and his camp has pulled with the Spurs it's seems like they are determined to have Kawhi comeback home to LA. Kawhi seems like a lemming willing to follow. That's what I believe right now but I hope I'm wrong and I'm more than willing to eat crow.

[DeRozan m8]

Re-reading this, I'm a little confused. So you were with your wife, and your wife was talking to the family member of the Spurs player who was there with their wife and kid? Where was the game that you attended by the way? Was it in the US?

I was there with my girlfriend, he was there with his wife and kid.
My gf started talking to both of them about their kid in between quarters because she works in childcare and thought their kid looked cute.
Then I had a couple of words to him because he had an american accent and it came out that he was the cousin of a Spurs player, so we started chatting more.
The game was in Australia.

[DeRozan m8]

I don’t think this guy is trolling. He just doesn’t have that track record. Obviously even things as they are right now can change...

Thanks mate :toast

[Ice009]

I was there with my girlfriend, he was there with his wife and kid.
My gf started talking to both of them about their kid in between quarters because she works in childcare and thought their kid looked cute.
Then I had a couple of words to him because he had an american accent and it came out that he was the cousin of a Spurs player, so we started chatting more.
The game was in Australia.

I wasn't implying that you're trolling, I just wanted a little more information on where it was. I thought maybe it was here in Australia and they may have been on holiday. That's actually what I was thinking, and now that you've said it, I'm definitely not thinking you're trolling.

I actually would prefer if you were trolling cause I don't want Kawhi to leave.

Did the person know if Kawhi was the one that wants out or was it his uncle that is pushing him into it?

[rjv]

people and their sources on ST... this place is such BS.

indeed.

[duncan2k5]

Kawhi is resigning... You guys have him all wrong... The guy is a good dude who is all about basketball and not the hype... He wants to be great, he loves the team... I'm sure he can't wait till the old farts retire, but that alone won't make him leave... The ungratefulness, however is enough to make anyone leave... So we need to be careful how we criticize our star player for being injured... Especially when he has NEVER been a drama king in all his basketball career at any level

[Dre_7]

So Kawhi told a teammate he was leaving, then that teammate told his family member, and then that family member told a couple he met at a basketball game? Got it!

[YGWHI]

If this is true, why the team meeting!?! An I'm emotional cuz I love sports an I spend my hard earned money on this team. Lots of it.

The "meeting" it was just a convo after a game like Rudy and Danny said.

Kawhi is close to the young guys on the team and Danny Green, he doesn't call/text old guys like Parker/Manu, these two guys wanted to know his injury status since the media was lying about possible timelines for his return. That was all.

Then Woj create the drama about a "tense" "emotional" meeting...I wouldn't trust in ESPN. They're just shit.

[YGWHI]

So Kawhi told a teammate he was leaving, then that teammate told his family member, and then that family member told a couple he met at a basketball game? Got it!

My girl hates sports but knows how much I love the Spurs and Kawhi.

When she was in OC with her sister, both saw a tall black guy with braids at South Coast Plaza, my girl told him "Kawhi!!! My boyfriend loves you, he watches all your games!" and asked for a pic. The guy smiled, hugged my girl while her sister took the photo...

My girl said that Kawhi was so cool. When she sent me the photo...It wasn't Kawhi. :lol

That's why I trust OP, I just don't trust the guy who told him this shit.

[tdominate21]

Ok i have a hard time believing any of this. OP's handle is clearly a kawhi fan like I am. He goes to some game in Australia with his gf where there are hundreds (thousands?) of fans in attendance and so happens to sit right next to a cousin of a spurs player. Then this cousin so happens to know exactly what kawhi wants to do. I call bullshit. And apparently this cousin knows what is going on with danny green? I think Kawhi signs supermax. You are insane if you turn down that much money

[tholdren]

Ok i have a hard time believing any of this. OP's handle is clearly a kawhi fan like I am. He goes to some game in Australia with his gf where there are hundreds (thousands?) of fans in attendance and so happens to sit right next to a cousin of a spurs player. Then this cousin so happens to know exactly what kawhi wants to do. I call bullshit. And apparently this cousin knows what is going on with danny green? I think Kawhi signs supermax. You are insane if you turn down that much money

I went to a build a bear workshop where antonio daniels cousin works. He said that kl has a babymomma in la. And the reason he dont talk much is because hes saving his voice for a singing career after his nba days are over.

[daslicer]

My girl hates sports but knows how much I love the Spurs and Kawhi.

When she was in OC with her sister, both saw a tall black guy with braids at South Coast Plaza, my girl told him "Kawhi!!! My boyfriend loves you, he watches all your games!" and asked for a pic. The guy smiled, hugged my girl while her sister took the photo...

My girl said that Kawhi was so cool. When she sent me the photo...It wasn't Kawhi. :lol

That's why I trust OP, I just don't trust the guy who told him this.

I have cousins that live in Moreno Valley where Kawhi's from. I'm actually not making this part up but the rest of the story I'll make up for comedy. Anyways my cousin told me he saw this black guy at Del Taco the other day wearing a Kawhi jersey. My cousin struck up a conversation with him and it turned out the guy was Kawhi's sister's boyfriend. This guy bragged about how close he was to Kawhi and showed my cousin some pictures of him and Kawhi on his android. He told my cousin that Kawhi was done with the Spurs and that it's set in stone Kawhi will be a Laker next year.

[YGWHI]

I have cousins that live in Moreno Valley where Kawhi's from. I'm actually not making this part up but the rest of the story I'll make up for comedy. Anyways my cousin told me he saw this black guy at Del Taco the other day wearing a Kawhi jersey. My cousin struck up a conversation with him and it turned out the guy was Kawhi's sister's boyfriend. This guy bragged about how close he was to Kawhi and showed my cousin some pictures of him and Kawhi on his android. He told my cousin that Kawhi was done with the Spurs and that it's set in stone Kawhi will be a Laker next year.

:D :D :D

[YGWHI]

Kawhi's not gonna play for the Lakers, guys. It's not gonna happen.

[Ice009]

Kawhi's not gonna play for the Lakers, guys. It's not gonna happen.

Good. I'd be very happy if Kawhi gets healthy again and stays. I'd be even happier if he can play in the playoffs.

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I have cousins that live in Moreno Valley where Kawhi's from. I'm actually not making this part up but the rest of the story I'll make up for comedy. Anyways my cousin told me he saw this black guy at Del Taco the other day wearing a Kawhi jersey. My cousin struck up a conversation with him and it turned out the guy was Kawhi's sister's boyfriend. This guy bragged about how close he was to Kawhi and showed my cousin some pictures of him and Kawhi on his android. He told my cousin that Kawhi was done with the Spurs and that it's set in stone Kawhi will be a Laker next year.

Would have been more palatable if story had happened at HEB.

[Keepin' it real]

I hope the Spurs offer him the league minimum, and then fill the contract with incentives for actually, you know, playing.

[james evans]

I think we all would hate to see him go, but we can't expect him not to ask for max. The spurs way of doing things is the have their stars take pay cuts then if you stick around for 12+ years, then they'll pay u money that they owed you in your prime. Tim Duncan continued to take pay cuts for reasons only he knows cuz I sure as hell wouldn't have done it.

[DeRozan m8]

I wasn't implying that you're trolling, I just wanted a little more information on where it was. I thought maybe it was here in Australia and they may have been on holiday. That's actually what I was thinking, and now that you've said it, I'm definitely not thinking you're trolling.

I actually would prefer if you were trolling cause I don't want Kawhi to leave.

Did the person know if Kawhi was the one that wants out or was it his uncle that is pushing him into it?

Nah I believe he lives here, his wife is from here from what I could gather (i had had a few drinks)

He's from east coast US though.

From what he was saying it was Kawhi that wanted out, though who knows hey, everything seems to have gone South since the uncle got involved.

[DenialTwist]

You can't expect Kawhi to sign with the Spurs if they lowball him on the supermax. Especially after they gave Manu at 39 a 14 million dollar contract. It's a business after all. Also Pop isn't taking any discounts, in fact he is the highest paid coach in the NBA.

[bigfan]

I doubt its money. If he has checked out on the team I say trade his ass. I guess it all could be boloney and he and the team are fine in private but I doubt it.

[exstatic]

I doubt its money. If he has checked out on the team I say trade his ass. I guess it all could be boloney and he and the team are fine in private but I doubt it.

I think it’s absolutely money. I think the Spurs told him last summer that they cannot afford to give him the SuperMax, and it’s been all downhill since then.

[UZER]

My girl hates sports but knows how much I love the Spurs and Kawhi.

When she was in OC with her sister, both saw a tall black guy with braids at South Coast Plaza, my girl told him "Kawhi!!! My boyfriend loves you, he watches all your games!" and asked for a pic. The guy smiled, hugged my girl while her sister took the photo...

My girl said that Kawhi was so cool. When she sent me the photo...It wasn't Kawhi. :lol

That's why I trust OP, I just don't trust the guy who told him this shit

Profiling at its finest. I’m glad your girl is not a cop.

[exstatic]

You can't expect Kawhi to sign with the Spurs if they lowball him on the supermax. Especially after they gave Manu at 39 a 14 million dollar contract. It's a business after all. Also Pop isn't taking any discounts, in fact he is the highest paid coach in the NBA.

They paid Manu, because he took less earlier in his career. That’s how it works, if you want to engender trust in your organization. I think that’s what Kawhi doesn’t get. If he stayed without the SuperMax, they’d make it up on the backside of his career, paying him until forty, if necessary to keep him in his prime. He didn’t trust that, which has led to the fractured relationship.

[Ice009]

Wow. So you think they've flat out told him that they can't give him the Supermax no matter what? If the did say such a thing, when do you think they would have told him that?

[exstatic]

Wow. So you think they've flat out told him that they can't give him the Supermax no matter what? If the did say such a thing, when do you think they would have told him that?

Before Pop kissed and made up with LaMarcus. That happened for a reason. I think they knew at that point that there were serious problems, and that they needed LMA to carry the team this year. This is all based on observations, but it makes sense. Why else go from dumping LMA to apologizing to him in a span of a couple of weeks?

A lot of people don’t know that the Spurs and the other three former ABA franchises only receive 6/7ths of the TV contract revenue that the other 26 teams get. The other 1/7th from each team goes to the former owners of the StL Spirits as consideration for them folding their franchise and not pursuing entry into the NBA. When that deal was signed, TV money wasn’t much. The league wasn’t popular at all. The NBA Finals were shown tape delayed. As the TV contract has grown bigger and bigger, so has the gap between what SA makes, and those other 26 teams make. That’s why they can’t afford Kawhi SuperMax deal, when a shit franchise like Sacto gives one to DMC. It makes our 20 year run of excellence even more amazing. We did it with essentially one hand tied behind our backs.

[SAGirl]

I am not going to assume that is it. I understand reluctance but get rid of Pau and Patty ad pay him is what I’d say if I am his agent. Now that he’s missed an entire season though, it’s really a tough question. Again some guys dismiss this injury like he’s just acting up, but what if that shit is really bad? He’d be screwed out of a major payday but would the heat have maxed out Bosh after he missed out an entire season? No way. That’s madness.

[r0drig0lac]

a lot of sherlocks with incredible theories here

[tholdren]

a lot of sherlocks with incredible theories here

Thanks for clearing this up

[BackHome]

I am not giving a Super Max offer to anyone who hasn’t played a whole freaking year. To me his injury sounds chronic and if he does play how many games can you count on him to play before it flares up and then he misses time or season. games?

[Ice009]

Before Pop kissed and made up with LaMarcus. That happened for a reason. I think they knew at that point that there were serious problems, and that they needed LMA to carry the team this year. This is all based on observations, but it makes sense. Why else go from dumping LMA to apologizing to him in a span of a couple of weeks?

A lot of people don’t know that the Spurs and the other three former ABA franchises only receive 6/7ths of the TV contract revenue that the other 26 teams get. The other 1/7th from each team goes to the former owners of the StL Spirits as consideration for them folding their franchise and not pursuing entry into the NBA. When that deal was signed, TV money wasn’t much. The league wasn’t popular at all. The NBA Finals were shown tape delayed. As the TV contract has grown bigger and bigger, so has the gap between what SA makes, and those other 26 teams make. That’s why they can’t afford Kawhi SuperMax deal, when a shit franchise like Sacto gives one to DMC. It makes our 20 year run of excellence even more amazing. We did it with essentially one hand tied behind our backs.

What do you mean that the former ABA teams only get 6/7ths of the league revenue? You mean the other 26 teams get the fulll amount, but the 3 former ABA teams are paying 1/7th of their revenue to the STL Spirits?

Thanks for also saying when you thought the Spurs may have told Kawhi they can't afford the Supermax. I know it's all conjecture, but it's still a possible theory.

[Death In June]

Kawhi has shown that he is not a franchise player, not a good one anyway. He's a top five player in the league, but a franchise player is one who sets the tone for your entire organization. He shows up to practice, or he's on the bench during games consistently when he's injured, he goes to team meetings/film, he communicates with teammates, and he doesn't let the team become distracted by his bullshit. If that means fielding questions from the media, that's what it takes. This guy has ghosted the team, according to Tony and Manu, two cornerstones of the franchise who have the team first in mind. They gave everything to the organization so if you're going to trust anyone's word on it, it would be theirs. Just trade him and be done with it.

[SpursBig3s]

There is no way in hell we told our best player, a duperstar and top 5 player in the league when healthy, that we can’t afford to give him a supermax. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We’re not the Kings. Spurs aren’t that stupif

[james evans]

There is no way in hell we told our best player, a duperstar and top 5 player in the league when healthy, that we can’t afford to give him a supermax. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We’re not the Kings. Spurs aren’t that stupif
this i agree with haha

[daslicer]

Before Pop kissed and made up with LaMarcus. That happened for a reason. I think they knew at that point that there were serious problems, and that they needed LMA to carry the team this year. This is all based on observations, but it makes sense. Why else go from dumping LMA to apologizing to him in a span of a couple of weeks?

A lot of people don’t know that the Spurs and the other three former ABA franchises only receive 6/7ths of the TV contract revenue that the other 26 teams get. The other 1/7th from each team goes to the former owners of the StL Spirits as consideration for them folding their franchise and not pursuing entry into the NBA. When that deal was signed, TV money wasn’t much. The league wasn’t popular at all. The NBA Finals were shown tape delayed. As the TV contract has grown bigger and bigger, so has the gap between what SA makes, and those other 26 teams make. That’s why they can’t afford Kawhi SuperMax deal, when a shit franchise like Sacto gives one to DMC. It makes our 20 year run of excellence even more amazing. We did it with essentially one hand tied behind our backs.

I did some research and found out the NBA in 2014 reached a deal with the Silnas family the former owners of the Spirit franchise in which they paid them a lump sum of 500 million dollars to end the original deal they had with the NBA.

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I did some research and found out the NBA in 2014 reached a deal with the Silnas family the former owners of the Spirit franchise in which they paid them a lump sum of 500 million dollars to end the original deal they had with the NBA.

Thanks for the find.

[Ice009]

I did some research and found out the NBA in 2014 reached a deal with the Silnas family the former owners of the Spirit franchise in which they paid them a lump sum of 500 million dollars to end the original deal they had with the NBA.

Wow. That is a big chuck of change that they received. What was the reason for the deal in the first place? Why did they have to reach a deal with them? Did the NBA and other ABA teams not want them in the NBA?

[daslicer]

Wow. That is a big chuck of change that they received. What was the reason for the deal in the first place? Why did they have to reach a deal with them? Did the NBA and other ABA teams not want them in the NBA?

From what I have read back in 1976 the ABA only had 6 remaining ABA franchises. The NBA decided that they were only going to allow 4 out of the 6 franchises to enter the NBA which were the Spurs,Pacers,Nets,Nuggets. The NBA reached a settlement with the owner of the Kentucky Colonels to shut down his team which was a settlement of 3.3 million. To shut down the other franchise which was the Spirit the NBA negotiating a deal with the Silna family in which they would get 1/7 of the TV revenue of 4 former ABA franchises. From what I have read the NBA figured back then the TV money would never be a great and actually thought they had ripped off the Silna family instead of having to pay them millions. I have also read the last several years the Silna family started suing the NBA for hundreds of millions dollars because they felt they should get revenue money from league pass subscriptions and streaming video. That was the final straw and what caused the NBA to reach a settlement with the Silna family outside of court.

What I found interesting was in 1982 the NBA tried to reach a settlement with this family for 5 million dollars but the family wanted 8 million so the NBA ended negotiations. It's insane thinking that the NBA could have ended this problem 30 some years earlier just for 8 million versus having to pay 500 million today.

[BillMc]

From what I have read back in 1976 the ABA only had 6 remaining ABA franchises. The NBA decided that they were only going to allow 4 out of the 6 franchises to enter the NBA which were the Spurs,Pacers,Nets,Nuggets. The NBA reached a settlement with the owner of the Kentucky Colonels to shut down his team which was a settlement of 3.3 million. To shut down the other franchise which was the Spirit the NBA negotiating a deal with the Silna family in which they would get 1/7 of the TV revenue of 4 former ABA franchises. From what I have read the NBA figured back then the TV money would never be a great and actually thought they had ripped off the Silna family instead of having to pay them millions. I have also read the last several years the Silna family started suing the NBA for hundreds of millions dollars because they felt they should get revenue money from league pass subscriptions and streaming video. That was the final straw and what caused the NBA to reach a settlement with the Silna family outside of court.

What I found interesting was in 1982 the NBA tried to reach a settlement with this family for 5 million dollars but the family wanted 8 million so the NBA ended negotiations. It's insane thinking that the NBA could have ended this problem 30 some years earlier just for 8 million versus having to pay 500 million today.

That's very interesting. Thanks for posting it. :toast

[exstatic]

What do you mean that the former ABA teams only get 6/7ths of the league revenue? You mean the other 26 teams get the fulll amount, but the 3 former ABA teams are paying 1/7th of their revenue to the STL Spirits?

Thanks for also saying when you thought the Spurs may have told Kawhi they can't afford the Supermax. I know it's all conjecture, but it's still a possible theory.
All four former ABA teams, SA, IND, DEN, and BKN, get only 6/7 of the television money that the other 26 teams get. That other 1/7 from each of the four teams goes to the family that owned the Spirits.

[exstatic]

I did some research and found out the NBA in 2014 reached a deal with the Silnas family the former owners of the Spirit franchise in which they paid them a lump sum of 500 million dollars to end the original deal they had with the NBA.
It’s not over. Oh, and that $500M came from the four former ABA franchises, not the league. Think that didn’t put a bite on the Spurs cash flow?

In January 2014, a conditional settlement agreement between the NBA, the former ABA clubs and the Silnas was announced.[24][14][25] As part of the deal, the Silnas are reported to be receiving a $500 million upfront payment from the former ABA teams.[21][13] In return, the former ABA teams will get majority stake in the Spirits of St. Louis Basketball Club, L.P., which will retain control of a portion of the TV revenue streams of the former ABA teams, with the option to purchase the remaining stake held by the Silnas in the future.[24][26][21][19] Also, the Silnas will drop their litigation against the league seeking a share of additional media revenue streams, with the NBA agreeing to grant some of the disputed funds to the Spirits.[25][24][21] The deal must still receive court approval.

[Ozballer]

Exactly my thinking when they re signed LMA...and that strange board with LMA that appeared in SA. The insight on the Spurs not being able to afford the Supermax is quite logical as a step into what ended up happening...


Before Pop kissed and made up with LaMarcus. That happened for a reason. I think they knew at that point that there were serious problems, and that they needed LMA to carry the team this year. This is all based on observations, but it makes sense. Why else go from dumping LMA to apologizing to him in a span of a couple of weeks?

A lot of people don’t know that the Spurs and the other three former ABA franchises only receive 6/7ths of the TV contract revenue that the other 26 teams get. The other 1/7th from each team goes to the former owners of the StL Spirits as consideration for them folding their franchise and not pursuing entry into the NBA. When that deal was signed, TV money wasn’t much. The league wasn’t popular at all. The NBA Finals were shown tape delayed. As the TV contract has grown bigger and bigger, so has the gap between what SA makes, and those other 26 teams make. That’s why they can’t afford Kawhi SuperMax deal, when a shit franchise like Sacto gives one to DMC. It makes our 20 year run of excellence even more amazing. We did it with essentially one hand tied behind our backs.

[John B]

Spurs will offer the supermax to Kawhi. I don’t like what Kawhi did, but the guy is the best 2-way player in the league, top 5 player. That doesn’t happen everyday especially in a small market like San Antonio. Pops and RC will put their acts together to protect anymore damage and sign his extension come summer.

[YGWHI]

Profiling at its finest. I’m glad your girl is not a cop.
Me too.

However, I would say that police' racial profiling is worse...

You give some ideas...I'd like to see her in a sexy cop custome :D

[YGWHI]

That's very interesting. Thanks for posting it. :toast

Agree. Very interesting. I ignore what exstatic and daslicer (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=4950) posted about former ABA teams and the former/current deals. Thanks!

[keithington1]

I'm gonna lose a little respect for Kawhi if he doesn't play for the rest of the season. His family mainly. He/ They did all of this for the supermax. Maybe it's his family in his ear trying to secure wealth for the whole family. No way is leg is that bad. Still love Kawhi tho, and he belongs in a Spurs jersey for life.

[Brunodf]

They shouldn't reward a player that sat out the entire season with the supermax, just offer the regular max , if he doesn't take it just trade him next season. Kawhi averaged 70 games/season before this one, he was never that healthy to begin with, things will only get worse as he ages.

There's some Brandon Roy vibes tbh

[duncan2k5]

I'm gonna lose a little respect for Kawhi if he doesn't play for the rest of the season. His family mainly. He/ They did all of this for the supermax. Maybe it's his family in his ear trying to secure wealth for the whole family. No way is leg is that bad. Still love Kawhi tho, and he belongs in a Spurs jersey for life.

how old are u? u realize this makes no sense, right? actually playing pretty much secures the supermax...how could he POSSIBLY be sitting out an entire year, to get the supermax? that actually lowers his value...smh

[keithington1]

I think Kawhi doesn't want to end up like IT. I don't know about you but I'm sure the Spurs will offer him the supermax. Why play hardball and lose your superstar? I don't think Kawhi is that hurt but is wary of what happened to TP. Let's just say MJ would be playing if he had the same injury. To me it's a little weak but he is still my favorite player.

[weebo]

KL is still hurting. The Spurs know this, even if if the Spurs medical team has "cleared him to play." At no point have we heard KL/camp ask to be traded or PATFO looking to trade him. If KL was just "faking it" because he wants off the Spurs--the Spurs would have accommodated his request prior to the trade deadline.

Bottom line: KL is not playing because he's hurt and not because he wants off the team.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I think Kawhi doesn't want to end up like IT. I don't know about you but I'm sure the Spurs will offer him the supermax. Why play hardball and lose your superstar? I don't think Kawhi is that hurt but is wary of what happened to TP. Let's just say MJ would be playing if he had the same injury. To me it's a little weak but he is still my favorite player.

[keithington1]

KL is still hurting. The Spurs know this, even if if the Spurs medical team has "cleared him to play." At no point have we heard KL/camp ask to be traded or PATFO looking to trade him. If KL was just "faking it" because he wants off the Spurs--the Spurs would have accommodated his request prior to the trade deadline.

Bottom line: KL is not playing because he's hurt and not because he wants off the team. my theory is Kawhi is not hurt enough to miss the playoffs. His family is being cautious so that they can secure the supermax.

[mingus]

KL is playing the Spurs & has been for a while IMO. That team meeting was a statement—by the whole organization, not just TP & Manu. Those guys have been sacrificing money to win their entire careers. Also, IMO anything coming out in the news that says otherwise is Kawhi’s team trying shed it in a different light/damage control.

Pop def didn’t see this coming w/ KL. To be fair, not sure how much of it is him or his “team”/uncle.

I think it’s RIDICULOUS how mistrusting KL/his team are of the Spurs though. The Spurs’ bread & butter has been taking guys that were/are looked over & giving them careers/lives they wouldn’t have otherwise had. In almost every way it’s been a very pro-player organization. The list is too long, & it also includes Kawhi. Anybody honestly think Kawhi is where he’s at if he got drafted by another team? HELL NO.

Just looking at it from the outside, I think it’s unfortunate he got his uncle to be his agent. I think there’s a reason a lot of players stick w/ agents. It’s one thing to seek out advice from family members, another to basically give them the reigns to your career. KL obviously has a close relationship to his uncle, not going to go there.

But it’s apparent that KL is highly mistrusting of an organization that treats its players very well. And has been for a while.

At this point I wouldn’t mind if he left. Tired of this bullshit. Been watching the Spurs for 20 years. Watch them be overly cautious bringing players back from injury. Sitting players out as a preventative measure. Watch them take FINE WORTHY measures to protect their players’ health. Even to the chagrin of many fans.

Then “Oh, I want a second opinion.” Then they clear him too & he’s still sitting games out. & he ain’t even on the bench to support the guys playing.

Fuck this guy. GTFO already & don’t let the door hit your pussy on the way out.

[tholdren]

KL is playing the Spurs & has been for a while IMO. That team meeting was a statement—by the whole organization, not just TP & Manu. Those guys have been sacrificing money to win their entire careers. Also, IMO anything coming out in the news that says otherwise is Kawhi’s team trying shed it in a different light/damage control.

Pop def didn’t see this coming w/ KL. To be fair, not sure how much of it is him or his “team”/uncle.

I think it’s RIDICULOUS how mistrusting KL/his team are of the Spurs though. The Spurs’ bread & butter has been taking guys that were/are looked over & giving them careers/lives they wouldn’t have otherwise had. In almost every way it’s been a very pro-player organization. The list is too long, & it also includes Kawhi. Anybody honestly think Kawhi is where he’s at if he got drafted by another team? HELL NO.

Just looking at it from the outside, I think it’s unfortunate he got his uncle to be his agent. I think there’s a reason a lot of players stick w/ agents. It’s one thing to seek out advice from family members, another to basically give them the reigns to your career. KL obviously has a close relationship to his uncle, not going to go there.

But it’s apparent that KL is highly mistrusting of an organization that treats its players very well. And has been for a while.

At this point I wouldn’t mind if he left. Tired of this bullshit. Been watching the Spurs for 20 years. Watch them be overly cautious bringing players back from injury. Sitting players out as a preventative measure. Watch them take FINE WORTHY measures to protect their players’ health. Even to the chagrin of many fans.

Then “Oh, I want a second opinion.” Then they clear him too & he’s still sitting games out. & he ain’t even on the bench to support the guys playing.

Fuck this guy. GTFO already & don’t let the door hit your pussy on the way out.

+1

[lefty]

^
TP sacrificing money? :lmao

Is that why that fucker gladly signed a 4 year fat contract? :lmao

[tholdren]

^
TP sacrificing money? :lmao

Is that why that fucker gladly signed a 4 year fat contract? :lmao

Almost 86k posts. All w emojis?

[lefty]

Almost 86k posts. All w emojis?

And much more

[tholdren]

And much more

You needed to respond with emoji. Your streak ended. Sad. Make your posts great again

[ElNono]

^
TP sacrificing money? :lmao

Is that why that fucker gladly signed a 4 year fat contract? :lmao

https://i.imgur.com/5KUxTR3.gif

[eDizzle20]

Whether or not Kawhi sticks with the Spurs long term the damage has been done and Kawhi or his team clearly doesn’t trust the Spurs medical staff. Any future injury he would suffer would always need to go through Kawhi’s medical staff and the same issue like now could arise again.

[jermaine]

I'm all for him being traded to LA. for Ingram an Randle, but the ripple effect of him not being signed is Anderson resigning, paying Danny, begging Ginobili to return, pay Rudy to a 3yr extension, keeping Mills starting at SG, an I pray an I mean I pray that we get a better big off the bench. Laverne has to go point blank period.

[duncan2k5]

KL is playing the Spurs & has been for a while IMO. That team meeting was a statement—by the whole organization, not just TP & Manu. Those guys have been sacrificing money to win their entire careers. Also, IMO anything coming out in the news that says otherwise is Kawhi’s team trying shed it in a different light/damage control.

Pop def didn’t see this coming w/ KL. To be fair, not sure how much of it is him or his “team”/uncle.

I think it’s RIDICULOUS how mistrusting KL/his team are of the Spurs though. The Spurs’ bread & butter has been taking guys that were/are looked over & giving them careers/lives they wouldn’t have otherwise had. In almost every way it’s been a very pro-player organization. The list is too long, & it also includes Kawhi. Anybody honestly think Kawhi is where he’s at if he got drafted by another team? HELL NO.

Just looking at it from the outside, I think it’s unfortunate he got his uncle to be his agent. I think there’s a reason a lot of players stick w/ agents. It’s one thing to seek out advice from family members, another to basically give them the reigns to your career. KL obviously has a close relationship to his uncle, not going to go there.

But it’s apparent that KL is highly mistrusting of an organization that treats its players very well. And has been for a while.

At this point I wouldn’t mind if he left. Tired of this bullshit. Been watching the Spurs for 20 years. Watch them be overly cautious bringing players back from injury. Sitting players out as a preventative measure. Watch them take FINE WORTHY measures to protect their players’ health. Even to the chagrin of many fans.

Then “Oh, I want a second opinion.” Then they clear him too & he’s still sitting games out. & he ain’t even on the bench to support the guys playing.

Fuck this guy. GTFO already & don’t let the door hit your pussy on the way out.

this whole post sounds stupid and is full is wild, baseless assumptions...how has be been playing the spurs for a while? when did it start? when he went back into the game to play vs the warriors when he got his ankle sprained three times? GTFOH

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

[baseline bum]

I think it’s absolutely money. I think the Spurs told him last summer that they cannot afford to give him the SuperMax, and it’s been all downhill since then.

If they told him that I don't blame him wanting out.

[MaNu4Tres]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

Kawhi's group and Uncle have been feeding Kawhi every excuse why he should look elsewhere. This has been going on all season.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Whether or not Kawhi sticks with the Spurs long term the damage has been done and Kawhi or his team clearly doesn’t trust the Spurs medical staff. Any future injury he would suffer would always need to go through Kawhi’s medical staff and the same issue like now could arise again.

This is a good point

[cd98]

I'm just not sure what to think of all of this. Obviously, we only have piecemeal information and so we don't have a clear picture of what is happening. I'm assuming one of two things is going on: (1) Kawhi is injured and is worried that if he doesn't get 100%, then he will risk losing his big payday...sounds like the tendonopathy or whatever can be a significant long term issue if it isn't resolved and maybe he's spooked because it isn't 100% even with all the rest and rehab; or (2) he may or may not be injured, but he wants out of SA and the powers that be are telling him that even if he doesn't get the super max, he'll make more money from endorsements, etc. if he plays in a larger market.

Under the first scenario, the Spurs are driving the bus because they can super max him. Under the 2nd scenario, Kawhi is driving the bus because the only way to get to a team that could hypothetically get him more endorsements would be to get to California (really one of the LA teams) or New York. That's pretty much it and he can force his way by saying those are the only teams with which he will sign an extension. And the assets from both those teams are less attractive. But I would think the Spurs would prefer to get a haul from NY over LA.

It will be an interesting summer.

[Russ]

I think it’s absolutely money. I think the Spurs told him last summer that they cannot afford to give him the SuperMax, and it’s been all downhill since then.


If they told him that I don't blame him wanting out.

Why would they tell him that?

[Dex]

I'm all for him being traded to LA. for Ingram an Randle, but the ripple effect of him not being signed is Anderson resigning, paying Danny, begging Ginobili to return, pay Rudy to a 3yr extension, keeping Mills starting at SG, an I pray an I mean I pray that we get a better big off the bench. Laverne has to go point blank period.

Even Pop realizes this guy is a scrub and only puts him in when the Spurs are up 20 or down 20 in the 4th.

[Brunodf]

Why would they tell him that?
I could see that being the case of the Spurs management being too honest and telling him in advance so it doesn't look like they waited until the last minute to try to guilt him into a cheaper contract. Because the management is aware that a Supermax deal would cripple any small market team chances of building a championship roster

[SpursBig3s]

Kawhi's group and Uncle have been feeding Kawhi every excuse why he should look elsewhere. This has been going on all season.

Not questioning your take or what you have supposedly heard, but in your opinion, is that not the dumbest line of thinking ever? Pop prioritizing wins over KL's health? that is so retarded

[Dex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.


Not questioning your take or what you have supposedly heard, but in your opinion, is that not the dumbest line of thinking ever? Pop prioritizing wins over KL's health? that is so retarded

I don't buy that narrative at all. Pop has a well-documented history of prioritizing health over wins, from holding Duncan out in 2000 to resting his stars to managing Manu's minutes. He's also given Kawhi time off for nagging injuries when needed.

Nobody knows who made the final call when Kawhi came back for those 9 games, but I sincerely doubt it was Pop forcing Kawhi out on the floor against his will...and Pop's already said several times that they aren't trying to do that now.

Passive aggressive or not, he literally has said, "It's Kawhi's call."

Obviously, there is a sense of urgency since we have 5 games left and still haven't clinched a playoff spot, but Pop will roll with the guys he has if he needs to.

[r0drig0lac]

Why would they tell him that?

they do not, because that does not make any sense

[K...]

Hmm interesting scenario is the Spurs go to kawhi and say, sorry no Max. The Spurs don't get an agreement. Next best option is kawhi plays well land gets traded at the deadline or off season. The injury frustrates that. Kawhi, knowing the Spurs won't offer the super Max makes no effort to return.

This is still unlikely as the team wouldn't foreclose the super max unless there was some urgent ownership drama

[BackHome]

I am not signing a guy to any contract who needs his own doctors to clear him to play. I am not signing any player to a contract who has sat out a whole year to soft tissue issues/inflammation.

He he is going to screw himself though cause Pop kept the media away from him. When he goes to La or New York shits going to be on him like flies on shit his life will be a living hell.

Trade him to who ever gives us the best picks/players.
1. Get rid of Forbes and Paul ASAP
2. Get rid of Joffrey bring in our foreign Center to replace him and Fosil
3. Retire Tony

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I am not signing a guy to any contract who needs his own doctors to clear him to play. I am not signing any player to a contract who has sat out a whole year to soft tissue issues/inflammation.

He he is going to screw himself though cause Pop kept the media away from him. When he goes to La or New York shits going to be on him like flies on shit his life will be a living hell.

Trade him to who ever gives us the best picks/players.


Really good points-

The getting cleared by outside doctors thing ought to be a red flag to the Spurs moving forward. As is the given excuse of an injury that isn't repairable by surgery.

The media stuff will wear on him in other big markets I'd think unless he's just flat unhappy here and is willing to forego his quiet nature for more scrutiny to be happy.

As for the trade, I think the writing is on the wall now. But I'll trust PATFO to make the right call on that moving forward. Given your first point, I just can't see Pop or RC putting up with being p'wnd by outside doctors. **That** is definitely not the Spurs way.

[Russ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

"Sometimes the truth is less important than what's believed." @4:03.

[John B]

RC/Pop will resign Kawhi. You don’t get the best 2way player, top 5 player in the league especially in a small market like San Antonio. Kawhi is the best chance for Spurs to compete for the next 7-10 years. Pop will work it out like what he did with LMA last summer and move on.

[jermaine]

If anyone knows Pop, you'd know not to expect Kawhi back this season an he's good as gone next season. Pop went on live Tv an called Kawhi out. He allowed Tony an Manu air Kawhi out an didn't do damage control. Then he bunkered down to say Kawhi an his group. You can't make Pop look bad in the media an stay with the Spurs. Not only that, once Pop made it public, that was him telling Kawhi comeback over this franchise is moving on from you. That's if you know Pop... IDC when or if Kawhi gets cleared. Pop meant what he said about bringing him back to late an coming back right before the playoffs.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't buy that narrative at all. Pop has a well-documented history of prioritizing health over wins, from holding Duncan out in 2000 to resting his stars to managing Manu's minutes. He's also given Kawhi time off for nagging injuries when needed.

Nobody knows who made the final call when Kawhi came back for those 9 games, but I sincerely doubt it was Pop forcing Kawhi out on the floor against his will...and Pop's already said several times that they aren't trying to do that now.

Passive aggressive or not, he literally has said, "It's Kawhi's call."

Obviously, there is a sense of urgency since we have 5 games left and still haven't clinched a playoff spot, but Pop will roll with the guys he has if he needs to.

Sometimes people will make every excuse to justify their beliefs. If Kawhis' Uncle or group truly believes he is better off elsewhere for his shoe deal, for his ability to build a bigger Kawhi brand, then they'll throw in every excuse they can to get what they want.

I don't disagree with your reasons why you don't buy that but you're looking at it through a lens of a fan that doesn't want to see him leave. That lens is a totally different lens from Kawhi's Uncle or group that wants him to continue his career elsewhere.

[DPG21920]

Sometimes people will make every excuse to justify their beliefs. If Kawhis' Uncle or group truly believes he is better off elsewhere for his shoe deal, for his ability to build a bigger Kawhi brand, then they'll throw in every excuse they can to get what they want.

I don't disagree with your reasons why you don't buy that but you're looking at it through a lens of a fan that doesn't want to see him leave. That lens is a totally different lens from Kawhi's Uncle or group that wants him to continue his career elsewhere.

His reasons are bogus. Different lense or not, they are bogus. The only truth is they want out of SA (if that is indeed the truth); there is no legit reason for it.

[weebo]

Sometimes people will make every excuse to justify their beliefs. If Kawhis' Uncle or group truly believes he is better off elsewhere for his shoe deal, for his ability to build a bigger Kawhi brand, then they'll throw in every excuse they can to get what they want.

I don't disagree with your reasons why you don't buy that but you're looking at it through a lens of a fan that doesn't want to see him leave. That lens is a totally different lens from Kawhi's Uncle or group that wants him to continue his career elsewhere.


How do you know this? Post the link that verifies your claim.

[daslicer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

Carter proving what I have said before about these black sports analyst being racially biased and have their on agenda which is not promoting the truth. Carter coming with the bs narrative that Pop doesn't care about Kawhi's health and wants him to play because he needs Kawhi to keep the 50 win streak going. Carter bases this off of Kawhi's team telling him that which is a bunch of bs that's not even believable knowing Pop's history about being super cautious about bringing guys back from injury. Nick Wright then plays along the spurs are in disarray by citing Stephen Jackson as a credible source on what's going on which is laughable. I laughed at the end when Carter said "We as the group" implying that he's part of Kawh's team. Proving another point I have made earlier that a lot of these guys including Carter, Jalen Rose, are auditioning to be Kawhi's insider. It's obvious Carter want's to be Kawhi's Brian Windhorst.

Not strange to see both sides trying to set the narrative. Like I told you earlier Kawhi's uncle declared war on the Spurs and now the Spurs are on the defensive trying to defend their reputation.

[Ice009]

I don't buy that narrative at all. Pop has a well-documented history of prioritizing health over wins, from holding Duncan out in 2000 to resting his stars to managing Manu's minutes. He's also given Kawhi time off for nagging injuries when needed.

Nobody knows who made the final call when Kawhi came back for those 9 games, but I sincerely doubt it was Pop forcing Kawhi out on the floor against his will...and Pop's already said several times that they aren't trying to do that now.

Passive aggressive or not, he literally has said, "It's Kawhi's call."

Obviously, there is a sense of urgency since we have 5 games left and still haven't clinched a playoff spot, but Pop will roll with the guys he has if he needs to.

Very strange video. Cris Carter seems to think he's in Kawhi group at the end of the video. If he really is, then everything he said here doesn't look good for the Spurs retaining Kawhi.

[bklynspursfan]

I mentioned in another thread, but Carter was represented by Impact Sports Management, which also represents Kawhi.

http://impactse.com/the-company/


Impact Sports represents the likes of Lavonte David, Robert Quinn, Travis Benjamin, Laquon Treadwell and Brandon Flowers among its roughly forty NFL clients. Additionally, it has grown a basketball division in the recent past, with its marquee client being San Antonio Spurs forward Kawhi Leonard.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2017/02/28/10-million-investment-should-have-a-major-impact-for-sports-agency/#5959c682701a

[Ice009]

Carter seems to think there is some big announcement coming, but not until the end of the season. He was really fucking smug in that video. I didn't like it at all.


I mentioned in another thread, but Carter was represented by Impact Sports Management, which also represents Kawhi.

http://impactse.com/the-company/



https://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2017/02/28/10-million-investment-should-have-a-major-impact-for-sports-agency/#5959c682701a

I remember you posting this before. I really do hope he's not as clued in as he thinks and that he's wrong. I don't know, though. His smugness at the end of the video was really annoying. It really disgusted me.

[MaNu4Tres]

His reasons are bogus. Different lense or not, they are bogus. The only truth is they want out of SA (if that is indeed the truth); there is no legit reason for it.

The only opinions that matter are the opinions of Kawhi and his group. We can disagree with them til we are blue in the face and be right -- and that doesn't matter.

It's like when a girl breaks up with a man or woman because she likes or finds someone else more attractive -- and then uses bullshit excuses to justify her actions whether they be true or not.

[apalisoc_9]

His reasons are bogus. Different lense or not, they are bogus. The only truth is they want out of SA (if that is indeed the truth); there is no legit reason for it.

His reasons are bogus in your eyes but these are human beings who look after themselves more than anything. Its a me me first situation.

Its a job for kawhi and his family and if they feel like somewhere else provides a better opportunity they will male up all sorts of excuses.

Just like any human being.

[Ice009]

One question I have, why does he need to be rehabbing in New York? Does he somehow get better treatment rehabbing in NY? I wouldn't think so, but curious why he'd be there instead of San Antonio. Is he going there to try and get clearance from his medical team? If not, I don't see why he needs to rehab there.

If Kawhi does end up leaving because of his uncle and clowns like Cris Carter (who is supposedly on his team and appears to be using his power in the the media to spread lies about the Spurs), then I'm going to end up dropping off both of those two at a car wash in Compton.

[DPG21920]

His reasons are bogus in your eyes but these are human beings who look after themselves more than anything. Its a me me first situation.

Its a job for kawhi and his family and if they feel like somewhere else provides a better opportunity they will male up all sorts of excuses.

Just like any human being.

You are free to think things; that does not make them right. If it is a job, then no place can pay Kawhi more than SA can. It’s been proven over and over for those that seek it out, the market doesn’t matter for endorsements any more. Lebron in CLE. Russ/KD in OKC. There are numerous examples of smaller markets getting big endorsement money not to mention the guaranteed salary Sa can offer.

Saying that he wants to make more money is bogus. Saying the doctors messed up is bogus. Saying his teammates are good enough is bogus.

He’s free to leave obviously but just say the truth; you don’t like living in SA or that you dislike your coach or whatever. The other stuff is just lies even though someone is free to push those lies to make themselves feel better.

[DPG21920]

The only opinions that matter are the opinions of Kawhi and his group. We can disagree with them til we are blue in the face and be right -- and that doesn't matter.

It's like when a girl breaks up with a man or woman because she likes or finds someone else more attractive -- and then uses bullshit excuses to justify her actions whether they be true or not.

I agree. I’m not arguing the fact that he might leave. I’m saying I’m not buying the reasons they are pushing.

[bklynspursfan]

Carter seems to think there is some big announcement coming, but not until the end of the season. He was really fucking smug in that video. I didn't like it at all.



I remember you posting this before. I really do hope he's not as clued in as he thinks and that he's wrong. I don't know, though. His smugness at the end of the video was really annoying. It really disgusted me.

I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.


One question I have, why does he need to be rehabbing in New York? Does he somehow get better treatment rehabbing in NY? I wouldn't think so, but curious why he'd be there instead of San Antonio. Is he going there to try and get clearance from his medical team? If not, I don't see why he needs to rehab there.

If Kawhi does end up leaving because of his uncle and clowns like Cris Carter (who is supposedly on his team and appears to be using his power in the the media to spread lies about the Spurs), then I'm going to end up dropping off both of those two at a car wash in Compton.

I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

[duncan2k5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01nuALim3Dw

Carter seems really smug. Like a) he's part of KL's group (he jokes about that at the end) and b) Kawhi needs to get out of SA. He's even putting it out there that Pop is more interested in records (no) than a player's health and making the playoffs (maybe). Just so weird given Pop shut an injured Kawhi down last year in the WCF.


So, strange to hear both sides trying to set the narrative. Never could have imagined this on the Spurs.

Pop didn't really shut him down... Remember he got some criticism (unwarranted I'm) for playing Kawhi after his second sprain

[DPG21920]

I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.



I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

It could be that or it could be that if he’s in NY under the guise of rehab, that there will be no expectation of him showing up to games, etc..

So far he’s had a sick daughter, now a trip to NY to rehab, etc..Could all be coincidence but harder to believe at this point. Seems like some excuses to stay away from the team after being called out for doing so and understanding the optics are bad.

[duncan2k5]

I'm just not sure what to think of all of this. Obviously, we only have piecemeal information and so we don't have a clear picture of what is happening. I'm assuming one of two things is going on: (1) Kawhi is injured and is worried that if he doesn't get 100%, then he will risk losing his big payday...sounds like the tendonopathy or whatever can be a significant long term issue if it isn't resolved and maybe he's spooked because it isn't 100% even with all the rest and rehab; or (2) he may or may not be injured, but he wants out of SA and the powers that be are telling him that even if he doesn't get the super max, he'll make more money from endorsements, etc. if he plays in a larger market.

Under the first scenario, the Spurs are driving the bus because they can super max him. Under the 2nd scenario, Kawhi is driving the bus because the only way to get to a team that could hypothetically get him more endorsements would be to get to California (really one of the LA teams) or New York. That's pretty much it and he can force his way by saying those are the only teams with which he will sign an extension. And the assets from both those teams are less attractive. But I would think the Spurs would prefer to get a haul from NY over LA.

It will be an interesting summer.

Second scenario makes no sense... He can play and demand a trade if that was his intention... As opposed to having teams think he has a serious injury, thus lowering his value... And missing out on endorsement deals by losing a year off his prime

[duncan2k5]

I am not signing a guy to any contract who needs his own doctors to clear him to play. I am not signing any player to a contract who has sat out a whole year to soft tissue issues/inflammation.

He he is going to screw himself though cause Pop kept the media away from him. When he goes to La or New York shits going to be on him like flies on shit his life will be a living hell.

Trade him to who ever gives us the best picks/players.
1. Get rid of Forbes and Paul ASAP
2. Get rid of Joffrey bring in our foreign Center to replace him and Fosil
3. Retire Tony

You think Kawhi doesn't know the media elsewhere is tough? U think u have that info and he is oblivious?

[cd98]

Second scenario makes no sense... He can play and demand a trade if that was his intention... As opposed to having teams think he has a serious injury, thus lowering his value... And missing out on endorsement deals by losing a year off his prime

He was injured, but at this point, who knows what is going on with him and what the guys in the background are whispering to him. They could be poisoning him on the Spurs and how they have talked about him to the media and they could be telling him don't come back and force a trade in the off season. Yes it makes no sense, but these relatives that think they are on the same level as agents have no idea what they are doing.

[DPG21920]

Second scenario makes no sense... He can play and demand a trade if that was his intention... As opposed to having teams think he has a serious injury, thus lowering his value... And missing out on endorsement deals by losing a year off his prime

It makes perfect sense. Look at Isiah Thomas. The basketball contract for Kawhi will far exceed any Jordan Deal. The objective is the largest basketball contract and the only way to jeopardize THAT money is to pick up an injury and give a team leverage.

Right now Kawhi knows that as long as he makes it to contract time healthy, especially with SA’s doctors clearing him, he’s a lock for that offer.

Whether he takes it or not is entirely different.

[duncan2k5]

It makes perfect sense. Look at Isiah Thomas. The basketball contract for Kawhi will far exceed any Jordan Deal. The objective is the largest basketball contract and the only way to jeopardize THAT money is to pick up an injury and give a team leverage.

Right now Kawhi knows that as long as he makes it to contract time healthy, especially with SA’s doctors clearing him, he’s a lock for that offer.

Whether he takes it or not is entirely different.

That makes no sense... He is injured NOW! This is the exact scenario u said would jeopardize a team signing him for super max

[duncan2k5]

I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.



I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

Yes they have been conservative with injuries for 20 years, but that doesn't mean they can't change pop and the FO had made decisions recently that they wouldn't have ten years ago...

Secondly, it's no secret that Pop, Manu, and Tony have a bond that is super strong... Their desire to send them out with a fighting chance may be affecting their decisions

[DPG21920]

That makes no sense... He is injured NOW! This is the exact scenario u said would jeopardize a team signing him for super max

So based on this and your post after you are saying that Pop/SA would risk his career. Got it.

[apalisoc_9]

You are free to think things; that does not make them right. If it is a job, then no place can pay Kawhi more than SA can. It’s been proven over and over for those that seek it out, the market doesn’t matter for endorsements any more. Lebron in CLE. Russ/KD in OKC. There are numerous examples of smaller markets getting big endorsement money not to mention the guaranteed salary Sa can offer.

Saying that he wants to make more money is bogus. Saying the doctors messed up is bogus. Saying his teammates are good enough is bogus.

He’s free to leave obviously but just say the truth; you don’t like living in SA or that you dislike your coach or whatever. The other stuff is just lies even though someone is free to push those lies to make themselves feel better.

Except that San Antonio is not OKC or CLE.

Russ and Lebron both had the freedom to do whatever they want which made them very marketbale. Just look at Duncan, for a player lf his caliber he never reach Russ or heck even Kyrie level endorsment.

Its the San Antonio narrative "boring". He gets away from it and you can bet he is going to make more.

[Ice009]

You are free to think things; that does not make them right. If it is a job, then no place can pay Kawhi more than SA can. It’s been proven over and over for those that seek it out, the market doesn’t matter for endorsements any more. Lebron in CLE. Russ/KD in OKC. There are numerous examples of smaller markets getting big endorsement money not to mention the guaranteed salary Sa can offer.

Saying that he wants to make more money is bogus. Saying the doctors messed up is bogus. Saying his teammates are good enough is bogus.

He’s free to leave obviously but just say the truth; you don’t like living in SA or that you dislike your coach or whatever. The other stuff is just lies even though someone is free to push those lies to make themselves feel better.

I agree. If he does want to leave, it sounds like they're making up lies as excuses for him to leave. That is bullshit. The Spurs wouldn't compromise his health. If they didn't think he could play, they would tell him not to play.


I agree. I’m not arguing the fact that he might leave. I’m saying I’m not buying the reasons they are pushing.

Yep. If they want to discredit the Spurs with made up BS because they want to leave, I hope the Spurs fire back and totally roast these guys.


I hope so too. Carter being smug and all clued in, yet saying the Spurs are prioritizing the playoffs/streaks over Kawhi's health?? If he and Kawhi's group think that, when all the evidence shows the complete opposite in that last 20 years? Then they are more clueless than clued in, and looking for any reason to want out.



I guess he has to show his doctors or his "group" in NYC that he can play. Once he got that 2nd opinion, he pretty much has to get clearance from them now in their territory.

Yeah, Cris Carter's reason's are idiotic. The Spurs would never force a player to play just to keep up a streak. When has Pop ever done that? The main reason they want him for the playoffs is because they believe they have a real shot of winning it with him if he plays. They would also have to believe he's healthy enough to play and can't make the injury any worse. If Kawhi and his people want to spread BS because he wants out, then I hope the Spurs hit back hard and defend themselves.

[bklynspursfan]

It could be that or it could be that if he’s in NY under the guise of rehab, that there will be no expectation of him showing up to games, etc..

So far he’s had a sick daughter, now a trip to NY to rehab, etc..Could all be coincidence but harder to believe at this point. Seems like some excuses to stay away from the team after being called out for doing so and understanding the optics are bad.

I would hope if that was the case, PATFO would have some idea then. This and the last piece about him being in NYC both stated the Spurs had personnel there with him to monitor the situation and observe him. If he wasn't serious about rehabbing and actually attempting a comeback, I would like to think they'd relay that back to PATFO.

[bklynspursfan]

Yes they have been conservative with injuries for 20 years, but that doesn't mean they can't change pop and the FO had made decisions recently that they wouldn't have ten years ago...

Secondly, it's no secret that Pop, Manu, and Tony have a bond that is super strong... Their desire to send them out with a fighting chance may be affecting their decisions

They still haven't. I mean they kept Kawhi out Game 6 in the Rockets game. They kept him out in the WCF when he likely could have played. They kept out Gay a little longer with his recent injury, TP wasn't playing b2b's and they were conservative with his return. They literally have sacrificed games to keep guys healthy.

The only thing affecting their decision is the fact that their doctors cleared Kawhi. It may be unfair because perhaps Kawhi feels something that the docs can't see/detect. But i mean those guys are competitors, of course they want their best player out there with them

[DPG21920]

Except that San Antonio is not OKC or CLE.

Russ and Lebron both had the freedom to do whatever they want which made them very marketbale. Just look at Duncan, for a player lf his caliber he never reach Russ or heck even Kyrie level endorsment.

Its the San Antonio narrative "boring". He gets away from it and you can bet he is going to make more.

Nah. Tim easily could have made more in SA. He chose not to pursue that. Same with Kawhi. The reason others make more is not because SA is boring; it’s because Kawhi does not want the franchise leader responsibility off the court (interviews, marketing yourself a lot).

That may be changing, but has nothing to do with SA.

[DPG21920]

I would hope if that was the case, PATFO would have some idea then. This and the last piece about him being in NYC both stated the Spurs had personnel there with him to monitor the situation and observe him. If he wasn't serious about rehabbing and actually attempting a comeback, I would like to think they'd relay that back to PATFO.

I’m not saying he’s not rehabbing; I’m saying that it’s also a nice built in reason to not attend games/team events etc..

[apalisoc_9]

Nah. Tim easily could have made more in SA. He chose not to pursue that. Same with Kawhi. The reason others make more is not because SA is boring; it’s because Kawhi does not want the franchise leader responsibility off the court (interviews, marketing yourself a lot).

That may be changing, but has nothing to do with SA.

Even Manu who is labled as exciting tend to have very little drama around him.

SA doesnt like drama.

People do and that tramslates to money.

Tim duncan accepted endorsements. But he wasnt in any ones top list because to be a top dog in San Antonio requires a narrative..a narrarive that doesnt translate to cash

[bklynspursfan]

I’m not saying he’s not rehabbing; I’m saying that it’s also a nice built in reason to not attend games/team events etc..

Yea.. If it means there's a slim chance he can still return, then so be it. We already played NY and Brooklyn, otherwise it'd be interesting to see if he would show up there lol

[BillMc]

Carter seems to think there is some big announcement coming, but not until the end of the season. He was really fucking smug in that video. I didn't like it at all.



I remember you posting this before. I really do hope he's not as clued in as he thinks and that he's wrong. I don't know, though. His smugness at the end of the video was really annoying. It really disgusted me.

The announcement might be a trade demand that Kawhi can't do now since the trade deadline has passed and it s better PR to just sit injured until then. But who knows really....

HATE CC's smugness. It's like he is or pretends to be 1) completely in Kawhi's camp and 2) completely on Kawhi's side with no journalistic objectivity.

[BillMc]

Try to get Porzinigis or Simmons and a nice draft pick or Walker or Wiggins and several nice draft picks and close this distraction in June/July.

[BackHome]

The Suns have a shit load of first round picks not sure they have any player we would want

[cd98]

Nah. Tim easily could have made more in SA. He chose not to pursue that. Same with Kawhi. The reason others make more is not because SA is boring; it’s because Kawhi does not want the franchise leader responsibility off the court (interviews, marketing yourself a lot).

That may be changing, but has nothing to do with SA.

I agree with this. Tim Duncan didn't get a lot of marketing in S.A. mostly by choice and also the fact that he is a 7 footer than is know for having no flash. That isn't the kind of guy that is highly marketable. Kawhi has a more marketable game, but he has no personality. That said, it is possible that the persons who are guiding him (who aren't agents and have no experience) probably just believe that the only way for him to be marketable is to go to LA or NY.

[Ice009]

Try to get Porzinigis or Simmons and a nice draft pick or Walker or Wiggins and several nice draft picks and close this distraction in June/July.

Interesting you mentioned Simmons because I've never really consciously thought about getting him, but you've jogged a memory of a dream I had a couple of weeks ago with Ben Simmons being on the court for the Spurs and there was no Kawhi to be found in it.

[BillMc]

Interesting you mentioned Simmons because I've never really consciously thought about getting him, but you've jogged a memory of a dream I had a couple of weeks ago with Ben Simmons being on the court for the Spurs and there was no Kawhi to be found in it.

Let's hope it was a premonition my friend.

[Ice009]

Let's hope it was a premonition my friend.

Well now that I've thought about, I'd be very interested. Let's see if it turns out to be true. I thought it was a strange dream and fell asleep again. Didn't remember it until you mentioned his name.

[sasaint]

Well now that I've thought about, I'd be very interested. Let's see if it turns out to be true. I thought it was a strange dream and fell asleep again. Didn't remember it until you mentioned his name.

Was it in color or just black and silver?

[daslicer]

I agree with this. Tim Duncan didn't get a lot of marketing in S.A. mostly by choice and also the fact that he is a 7 footer than is know for having no flash. That isn't the kind of guy that is highly marketable. Kawhi has a more marketable game, but he has no personality. That said, it is possible that the persons who are guiding him (who aren't agents and have no experience) probably just believe that the only way for him to be marketable is to go to LA or NY.

Agreed. Tim didn't actively seek out endorsements. I remember hearing several years ago when the Mavs won the title that Dirk got tons of endorsement offers but rejected a ton of them simply because he didn't really care about the extra money and just valued his time. I put Tim in the same mold as Dirk when it came to not actively seeking endorsements. You can still get tons of endorsements in small markets as Lebron and Kevin Garnett have proven in the past but you have to have a personality to get them which Kawhi doesn't have.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI9rN4DtoaE

[tholdren]

Exactly what i said would happen. Ghetto going ghetto on class. Trade this bum

[BatManu20]

The Suns have a shit load of first round picks not sure they have any player we would want

The Suns have a legit shot at the #1 pick this year. If they get it (and win the Deandre Ayton sweepstakes), pairing him with Booker, Josh Jackson, Chriss, Peyton, etc. They could be damn good in 2-3 years.

[spurraider21]

The Suns have a legit shot at the #1 pick this year. If they get it (and win the Deandre Ayton sweepstakes), pairing him with Booker, Josh Jackson, Chriss, Peyton, etc. They could be damn good in 2-3 years.
det core

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxz-OhTuo1M

Brian thinks there is hope.

[tholdren]

Even Manu who is labled as exciting tend to have very little drama around him.

SA doesnt like drama.

People do and that tramslates to money.

Tim duncan accepted endorsements. But he wasnt in any ones top list because to be a top dog in San Antonio requires a narrative..a narrarive that doesnt translate to cash

New spurs fans dont understand the drama free thing. Nba equals classless. But what do you expect? Its why posters like timdumbken keep posting sarcastically about culture. This is what happens when you dont get culture right. Bunch of stupidity.

[Ozballer]

they do not, because that does not make any sense

They could have told him that they would not discuss it till the end of season though. Neither yes or no. This would make perfect sense to me. KL's management then would've said (or acted) if you can't tell us now, we will look at options.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RBFggSaHkE

In one breath Sean says he doesn't know, in another he says Kawhi is happy here. Who knows....

[SAGirl]

That's a nice clip from Sean. He makes a distinction between giving you his opinion and being an insider and knowing what is going on with Kiwi's group.

[BillMc]

That's a nice clip from Sean. He makes a distinction between giving you his opinion and being an insider and knowing what is going on with Kiwi's group.

Good point. Wish many of the other talking heads would do this. Especially Chris Carter and Jalen Rose.

[Joseph Kony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RBFggSaHkE

In one breath Sean says he doesn't know, in another he says Kawhi is happy here. Who knows....
Sean is such a homer :lol and I mean that in a good way. You can just tell he really is an actual fan at heart and loves the team. Thanks for posting :tu

[BillMc]

Sean is such a homer :lol and I mean that in a good way. You can just tell he really is an actual fan at heart and loves the team. Thanks for posting :tu
:bobo Yeah, he's a homer but that makes him really likeable. Guy loves the silver and black.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcdnSPNZJ9o

Both Chris Carter and Broussard came out today saying Kawhi and his camp are innocent and the Spurs are throwing mud. It seems like the "groupies" are firing back through the talking heads.

[sventhedog]

i talked to kawhi myself. he told me no one met a family member of a Spurs player last night.

[tholdren]

i talked to kawhi myself. he told me no one met a family member of a Spurs player last night.

Oh yeah? I talked to kawhi and he said he was going to new york knicks

[cd98]

i talked to kawhi myself. he told me no one met a family member of a Spurs player last night.

Wait is HEB in NY?

[cd98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RBFggSaHkE

In one breath Sean says he doesn't know, in another he says Kawhi is happy here. Who knows....

This is very different from SJax’s take.

[spurs10]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI9rN4DtoaE Good take. I'm with these people that if Kawhi could play he would and is trying to get some answers. I'm also going to say Tony comparing their injuries was not accurate or Kawhi would have had surgery.

[SpursforSix]

Wait is HEB in NY?

lots of Hebs in New York

[cutewizard]

Game plan is simple

Trade kawhi for Trei Young
Sign Marc Gasol
Get Divincenzo
Get Mo Bamba

And then the Unicorn arrives

Marc Gasol, Unicorn, Lamarcus, Trei Young, Murray, Bertans, Bamba

Wooooooooooooooooooooooo

[NASpurs]

Has this Nate Robinson quote been posted yet? Feels like there's a million Kawhi threads and yeah I know... Nate Robinson. Just an out-of-NBA midget trying to make noise so he could get noticed.

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/ex-nba-guard-claims-kawhi-leonard-doesnt-want-to-be-in-sa


"From what I heard, from a little birdie, what I heard that the reason why he doesn't, not that he doesn't want to play, is that he doesn't want to be in San Antonio no more, is because that I heard a big bag was coming. But if he doesn't leave San Antonio that bag is not coming."

San Antonio is a great organization but a lot of people don't want to live in San Antonio. Honestly bro, a lot of that plays a part for a lot of guys in the NBA.

Believe you me, he definitely wants to be somewhere especially like being at home."

[Joseph Kony]

Has this Nate Robinson quote been posted yet? Feels like there's a million Kawhi threads and yeah I know... Nate Robinson. Just an out-of-NBA midget trying to make noise so he could get noticed.

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/ex-nba-guard-claims-kawhi-leonard-doesnt-want-to-be-in-sa

"A big bag?"

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

"A big bag?"

Nate Robinson had a big bag of cocaine before making up that bullshit.

[spurs10]

Nate Robinson had a big bag of cocaine before making up that bullshit. "A big bag" of coke is as good a guess as anything. Any more guesses? A big bag of cow manure left from the rodeo in his locker?

[DPG21920]

He’s talking about endorsement money

[Ice009]

Could one of the shoe companies have made a huge offer to him dependent on whether or not he goes to a bigger market?

Can endorsement money change that much going from SA to one of the bigger markets?

Even if that is remotely true, why would he be holding himself out this season if he can play right now? How would that affect the "big bag"?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Could one of the shoe companies have made a huge offer to him dependent on whether or not he goes to a bigger market?

Can endorsement money change that much going from SA to one of the bigger markets?

It's just another rumor. Nate Robinson has zero credibility to speak on behalf of Kawhi.

[DAF86]

I wonder how Silver feels about product companies forcing players in and out of certain cities and franchises. Pretty top notch shit right there.

[daslicer]

Could one of the shoe companies have made a huge offer to him dependent on whether or not he goes to a bigger market?

Can endorsement money change that much going from SA to one of the bigger markets?

Even if that is remotely true, why would he be holding himself out this season if he can play right now? How would that affect the "big bag"?

I believe what Nate said when he said he just doesn't want to be here anymore. It's sounds weird but maybe he just hates living in SA so much he doesn't want to even play there anymore. I think it's very possible since he comes across to me as a pretty stupid guy. Shoe deals can definitely change depending on where you play. Kawhi is not a guy like Lebron who has the charisma and personality to sell shoes regardless of the location he plays in. I think that factors in with these shoe companies and that they probably believe the only way giving him a big deal is justified is that if he plays in LA or NYC.

[daslicer]

I wonder how Silver feels about product companies forcing players in and out of certain cities and franchises. Pretty top notch shit right there.

Unfortunately I don't think he cares as long as the big markets like LA,NYC do well. Honestly though the super max was a bad idea by the owners. It doesn't protect teams from losing their superstars when you factor in the ridiculous shoe contracts they get by playing in big markets. Even if the superstar agrees to accept it it handicaps a team's cap flexibility to build a championship roster.

[tenbeersbold]

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/ex-nba-guard-claims-kawhi-leonard-doesnt-want-to-be-in-sa

[DeRozan m8]

I wonder how Silver feels about product companies forcing players in and out of certain cities and franchises. Pretty top notch shit right there.

I doubt that selfish jew cares, he has no integrity.

[duncan2k5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcdnSPNZJ9o

Both Chris Carter and Broussard came out today saying Kawhi and his camp are innocent and the Spurs are throwing mud. It seems like the "groupies" are firing back through the talking heads.

this is exactly what ive been saying...ppl think our front office is innocent in all this...most of the negative things about Kawhi has been speculation, where on the other hand, we KNOW Pop and the SA camp HAS been saying shady things...i can see how Kawhi's camp would be annoyed....

[duncan2k5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI9rN4DtoaE

ppl ragging on Kawhi for getting a second opinion when she noted that Spurs management encourages it...yet this still throw shade by commending players who dont...

and if they were as conservative as ppl think about injuries, why did they let LA play the last game? why did they let Kawhi play after his second ankle sprain when he played vs the warriors? my point is while they me be MORE conservative than other teams, they still have an agenda...they still would let players play if it means giving the team a chance to win...with that said, it can see how they would subtly pressure kawhi to play so that the guys who they are loyal to most (manu and parker) get to ride out in the sunset with the highest chance to win, even if it means risking the guy who has only been here a couple years...yes kawhi is the franchise, but if you think the team doesnt favor manu and parker more, youre kidding...this isnt Pop of old, anymore...this is old pop...relationships mean more to him than anything else right now...and his relationship with manu and parker supersedes his relationship with kawhi

[duncan2k5]

Could one of the shoe companies have made a huge offer to him dependent on whether or not he goes to a bigger market?

Can endorsement money change that much going from SA to one of the bigger markets?

Even if that is remotely true, why would he be holding himself out this season if he can play right now? How would that affect the "big bag"?

exactly...nate doesn't know shit...his sources are a bunch of high dudes from around the way small-talking about basketball

[duncan2k5]

I believe what Nate said when he said he just doesn't want to be here anymore. It's sounds weird but maybe he just hates living in SA so much he doesn't want to even play there anymore. I think it's very possible since he comes across to me as a pretty stupid guy. Shoe deals can definitely change depending on where you play. Kawhi is not a guy like Lebron who has the charisma and personality to sell shoes regardless of the location he plays in. I think that factors in with these shoe companies and that they probably believe the only way giving him a big deal is justified is that if he plays in LA or NYC.

i cant beieve u guys are really taking NATE ROBINSON seriously...sigh...how far we have fallen...

[duncan2k5]

NOTHING nate robinson said makes sense, for very obvious reasons...if u guys cant see the reasons why, you dont understand how this works

[tholdren]

i cant beieve u guys are really taking NATE ROBINSON seriously...sigh...how far we have fallen...

Only have fallen since you started posting

[duncan2k5]

Only have fallen since you started posting

the irony...

[Big Empty]

On top of 70 million more dollars, texas doesnt have a state income tax. California would charge an extra 8% of taxes. When you factor in 40 million a year thats more than his current shoe deal all by itself. If Kawhi leaves it on the table u know he hates it here

[dbreiden83080]

I don’t understand how anyone at this point could be in favor of signing him to that Supermax contract? You want to talk about an organizational disaster. Imagine paying him 40+ million dollars in a given season and he is sitting it out like this season. Highly likely it will happen too. He has proven to be incredibly injury prone. And even worse unwilling to play through injuries. And because that money is completely guaranteed, He can just sit on his ass and collect the checks. He sat on his ass all season and collected 19 million.

What did the Magic end up paying Grant Hill to basically sit down with his ankle elevated?

[baseline bum]

Game plan is simple

Trade kawhi for Trei Young
Sign Marc Gasol
Get Divincenzo
Get Mo Bamba

And then the Unicorn arrives

Marc Gasol, Unicorn, Lamarcus, Trei Young, Murray, Bertans, Bamba

Wooooooooooooooooooooooo

Marc Gasol fucking sucks. That's all the Spurs need, another washed up former star being paid $20-25 million a year.

[duncan2k5]

I don’t understand how anyone at this point could be in favor of signing him to that Supermax contract? You want to talk about an organizational disaster. Imagine paying him 40+ million dollars in a given season and he is sitting it out like this season. Highly likely it will happen too. He has proven to be incredibly injury prone. And even worse unwilling to play through injuries. And because that money is completely guaranteed, He can just sit on his ass and collect the checks. He sat on his ass all season and collected 19 million.

What did the Magic end up paying Grant Hill to basically sit down with his ankle elevated?

When has Kawhi been unwilling to play through injuries? Even his college coach said he played through them... He played through a twice injured ankle... All of our stars had moments when they missed significant time due to injuries... Do we vilify them and say they are unwilling to do so? The guy FUCKING PLAYED this season and you same fuckface fans were mad because he wasn't dominating... Then come to find out he was feeling pain and limping after each game and had to be shut down... Clearly he was INJURED just like ALL players have happen to them and couldn't go... NBA players don't purposefully sit out contract years you dumbfucks

[DPG21920]

When has Kawhi been unwilling to play through injuries? Even his college coach said he played through them... He played through a twice injured ankle... All of our stars had moments when they missed significant time due to injuries... Do we vilify them and say they are unwilling to do so? The guy FUCKING PLAYED this season and you same fuckface fans were mad because he wasn't dominating... Then come to find out he was feeling pain and limping after each game and had to be shut down... Clearly he was INJURED just like ALL players have happen to them and couldn't go... NBA players don't purposefully sit out contract years you dumbfucks

It’s hilarious how you give Kawhi the benefit of the doubt citing a shorter history than you do SA.

When it comes to the long history of SA protecting players and making sure they are healthy before they play, even to the detriment of the team, you ATTACK SA and hurled accusations around about them caring more about TP/Manu than Kawhi to the point they were willing to ruin Kawhi’s career potentially.

But, but, but Kawhi’s college coach said he played when injured!!! That’s all the proof you need and he would NEVER change.

[duncan2k5]

It’s hilarious how you give Kawhi the benefit of the doubt citing a shorter history than you do SA.

When it comes to the long history of SA protecting players and making sure they are healthy before they play, even to the detriment of the team, you ATTACK SA and hurled accusations around about them caring more about TP/Manu than Kawhi to the point they were willing to ruin Kawhi’s career potentially.

But, but, but Kawhi’s college coach said he played when injured!!! That’s all the proof you need and he would NEVER change.

SAS protected players in the past because they were in a different mind state back then... AS I SAID, it is CLEAR Pop has changed... You guys on here are quick to point it out... Saying that he doesn't care about basketball as much now... He cares more about relationships... His most cherished relationship is with Manu and Parker... So he would put pressure on Kawhi to play for them so they can go out strong where in the past he never had to worry about that... If Manu and Parker weren't on the team, this Leonard issue would be a non-story, and everyone would accept the guy is hurt... But because the Spurs, Manu and Parker (notice they're the ONLY ones with shade being thrown) are so close, they are a bit jaded... They will realize the mistake they made when this is all over, and so will u guys... And just as with EVERYTHING I've been right with this year, I'll say I TOLD YOU SO!

[DPG21920]

Ok, so let me get this straight. It’s Pop that has changed even though he has a longer track record and they get 0 benefit of the doubt.

But Kawhi, who has a 219M dollar deal on the line, has ZERO incentive or motive.


K.

[Ice009]

Duncan2k5, when has Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, or Tony Parker sat out almost a whole season with an injury that isn't considered a major one. I really don't know how Kawhi is feeling because he doesn't say jack shit, so no, I'm not willing to give him the benefit of doubt if he wants to be a mute about it. You're supposed to be the leader of the team and an MVP level player. Now that he's gotten himself to that level, there's certain responsibilities that come with it. Whether he likes it or not, that's the way it is. You can't just sneak out and not expect anyone to ask you questions. He's going to have to learn to answer them and talk to the media a bit more.

Kawhi has definitely played through injury (I don't think anyone has said that he's never played through an injury), but those other three guys have played through more than what Kawhi seems to not be willing to play through now. I don't think they can fathom why he's been sitting out most of the season with the injury that he has, because on the surface it doesn't seem that bad at all and I think all three of those guys would have been playing long ago with a similar ailment. Again, if it's that bad and it is legit bothering him to the point where he's not able to perform anywhere near his peak because of it, maybe Kawhi should saying something other than nothing.

[coachmac87]

SAS protected players in the past because they were in a different mind state back then... AS I SAID, it is CLEAR Pop has changed... You guys on here are quick to point it out... Saying that he doesn't care about basketball as much now... He cares more about relationships... His most cherished relationship is with Manu and Parker... So he would put pressure on Kawhi to play for them so they can go out strong where in the past he never had to worry about that... If Manu and Parker weren't on the team, this Leonard issue would be a non-story, and everyone would accept the guy is hurt... But because the Spurs, Manu and Parker (notice they're the ONLY ones with shade being thrown) are so close, they are a bit jaded... They will realize the mistake they made when this is all over, and so will u guys... And just as with EVERYTHING I've been right with this year, I'll say I TOLD YOU SO!


Answer this question..and maybe it’ll put things in perspective from PATFO..

How do you stomach paying someone $20M this year and you clear him yet he’s only played 9 games and then leaves his teammates out to dry to an extent..

The player meeting was to get an answer from Kawhi..because they didn’t know. Not even PATFO truly know..yet he’s getting paid max money..

You don’t find that a bit frustrating?

[NASpurs]

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[UZER]

Marc Gasol fucking sucks. That's all the Spurs need, another washed up former star being paid $20-25 million a year.

Yes. Exactly. That’s what I need.

:pop:

[offset formation]

I doubt that selfish jew cares, he has no integrity.

:wow
:nope
:ihit

[dbreiden83080]

Duncan2k5, when has Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, or Tony Parker sat out almost a whole season with an injury that isn't considered a major one. I really don't know how Kawhi is feeling because he doesn't say jack shit, so no, I'm not willing to give him the benefit of doubt if he wants to be a mute about it. You're supposed to be the leader of the team and an MVP level player. Now that he's gotten himself to that level, there's certain responsibilities that come with it. Whether he likes it or not, that's the way it is. You can't just sneak out and not expect anyone to ask you questions. He's going to have to learn to answer them and talk to the media a bit more.
.

The list of injuries those men played with is long and illustrious. Tim Duncan with his chronic bad knees. Didn’t Manu once play in a playoff series basically with a broken elbow? Leonard is sitting out for reasons that are personal. It’s pretty obvious. And the team calling him out and that leaking into the media was probably the last straw. Now he feels he can’t come back. It’s like he would be giving in.


SAS protected players in the past because they were in a different mind state back then... AS I SAID, it is CLEAR Pop has changed... You guys on here are quick to point it out... Saying that he doesn't care about basketball as much now.!

If Pop did not care as much about basketball now or this team he would have retired. He has always been a perfectionist when it comes to this job and his passion. He doesn’t need the money. He has been the head coach of this team forever. It’s ridiculous to say he is not treating a player with the same care or enthusiasm because you think he doesn’t care about basketball as much anymore. That’s bullshit. Anybody who says that is basically trolling.

[Big Empty]

I wonder if the Spurs make major summer moves in order to make Kawhi happy here. Free agent signings and maybe unloading older talent like Gasol.

[duncan2k5]

Duncan2k5, when has Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, or Tony Parker sat out almost a whole season with an injury that isn't considered a major one. I really don't know how Kawhi is feeling because he doesn't say jack shit, so no, I'm not willing to give him the benefit of doubt if he wants to be a mute about it. You're supposed to be the leader of the team and an MVP level player. Now that he's gotten himself to that level, there's certain responsibilities that come with it. Whether he likes it or not, that's the way it is. You can't just sneak out and not expect anyone to ask you questions. He's going to have to learn to answer them and talk to the media a bit more.

Kawhi has definitely played through injury (I don't think anyone has said that he's never played through an injury), but those other three guys have played through more than what Kawhi seems to not be willing to play through now. I don't think they can fathom why he's been sitting out most of the season with the injury that he has, because on the surface it doesn't seem that bad at all and I think all three of those guys would have been playing long ago with a similar ailment. Again, if it's that bad and it is legit bothering him to the point where he's not able to perform anywhere near his peak because of it, maybe Kawhi should saying something other than nothing.

Those other guys played twenty fucking seasons!!! OF COURSE they have had more opportunity to play through injury than Kawhi... The dude has been mtlr reliable in the playoffs, and most of the times he was "injured" before has been because of pop resting them... And how has Kawhi been mute? He gave a freaking interview on it just a little while back!? How often do u want him to run after the press? He DID say something in his last interview!!! You saying he hadn't doesn't make it true! Dude said he have it a try for the 9 games, and couldn't play his best...

[duncan2k5]

Answer this question..and maybe it’ll put things in perspective from PATFO..

How do you stomach paying someone $20M this year and you clear him yet he’s only played 9 games and then leaves his teammates out to dry to an extent..

The player meeting was to get an answer from Kawhi..because they didn’t know. Not even PATFO truly know..yet he’s getting paid max money..

You don’t find that a bit frustrating?

Players get injured ALL the time! Why would I get mad at them? I WANT him to come back when he is ready so I don't fuck up my investment by having him misdiagnosed and hurt worse... No player is stupid enough to purposely sit out in a contract year

[duncan2k5]

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The list of injuries those men played with is long and illustrious. Tim Duncan with his chronic bad knees. Didn’t Manu once play in a playoff series basically with a broken elbow? Leonard is sitting out for reasons that are personal. It’s pretty obvious. And the team calling him out and that leaking into the media was probably the last straw. Now he feels he can’t come back. It’s like he would be giving in.



If Pop did not care as much about basketball now or this team he would have retired. He has always been a perfectionist when it comes to this job and his passion. He doesn’t need the money. He has been the head coach of this team forever. It’s ridiculous to say he is not treating a player with the same care or enthusiasm because you think he doesn’t care about basketball as much anymore. That’s bullshit. Anybody who says that is basically trolling.

The list of injuries they also had to sit out for were numerous... Kawhi has also played through injuries... Just not as many because he OBVIOUSLY hasn't been in the league as long... Jesus christ, how isn't that obvious?

[djohn2oo8]

Zach Lowe tweeted teams will be looking to trade for Kawhi around the draft. Obviously.

[DAF86]

this is exactly what ive been saying...ppl think our front office is innocent in all this...most of the negative things about Kawhi has been speculation, where on the other hand, we KNOW Pop and the SA camp HAS been saying shady things...i can see how Kawhi's camp would be annoyed....

What does the Spurs front office win by throwing mud at the Kawhi situation? Alienate Kawhi?

Also, the one that said Kawhi doesn't want back is Nate Robinson. What kind of relationship does Nate have with RC or Pop? :lol

It is much more likely that Nate has some kind of relationship with some of the people that handle Kawhi.

I'm done speculating with this. I will just wait to see what happens and which side was the faggy one.

[coachmac87]

Players get injured ALL the time! Why would I get mad at them? I WANT him to come back when he is ready so I don't fuck up my investment by having him misdiagnosed and hurt worse... No player is stupid enough to purposely sit out in a contract year

There’s a difference between being hurt and injured....

I’m just pointing out facts. He’s getting paid 20M and played 9 games. Team doctors advise one thing yet the player goes against it..which is fine to an extent but leaving the team/players out to dry is not cool. Having them to answer your questions isn’t cool.

I’ve made it clear what I think is going on and it’s definitely a unique deal that’s NEVER happened in league history.,

So I get why it’s frustrating

[TimDunkem]

Sit out, collect your money, get traded to a bigger market, make up your lost money there after coming back 100% (instead of risking yourself carrying bums to a CF exit at best), and collect your new Jordan Brand contract money in that bigger market.

Makes sense.