lol California

[Nathan89]

Have you ever considered you're just not smart at all?

Not everyone can be as intelligent as you Pav.

[vy65]

Politician is honest about his desires, acknowledges that constitution prohibits him from realizing said desires, and board idiots think that’s a bad thing? Because really what our politicians need to do is add more obfuscation and dishonesty to the messages they deliver to the public.

[Pavlov]

Not everyone can be as intelligent as you Pav.I don't consider myself to be more than reasonably intelligent. You just seem to be ruled by your emotions and feelings of persecution at the hands of minorities.

[ElNono]

If I was overly concerned about the ability for the government to regulate fox news while the 1st amendment exists then that would standout as a positive. I'm not though so his general message is very concerning to me.

I'm concerned about the ability for government to regular any type of speech, whether it's left, right or center. That doesn't mean government can't regulate (although the free press has additional constitutional protections). There are general exceptions to the 1st Amendment in place.

The point, however, is that regardless of how he feels about a particular news outlet, he puts law first, which is both right and educational, especially in this day and age where the press and free speech in general is consistently attacked.

[ElNono]

I grew up in Toms River and Edison. So help me god if you sell NJ out to move to SoCal ...

In all seriousness tho, you gotta do what’s best for you and your fam. Glad to hear you might be collecting more of dem checks ...

I'm near Red Bank, so it's pretty nice. Although this time of the year is pretty brutal, weather wise. I've been actually thinking of moving out at some point. I could probably run the biz from anywhere.

But yeah, this is a different thing, which is good and bad, there's a lot of things to consider and I want to take my time to analyze it, but I want relative peace of mind after making a decision, and want to make sure I do so with all the information I can gather.

[vy65]

I'm near Red Bank, so it's pretty nice. Although this time of the year is pretty brutal, weather wise. I've been actually thinking of moving out at some point. I could probably run the biz from anywhere.

But yeah, this is a different thing, which is good and bad, there's a lot of things to consider and I want to take my time to analyze it, but I want relative peace of mind after making a decision, and want to make sure I do so with all the information I can gather.

Hottest Persian girl I ever hooked up with was from Tinton Falls. You’re gonna regret it ...

The NJ winters were always fun since I was a kid, although I could see the appeal of SoCal as an adult. You should just stop being a fagget and move to ATX. They have tech and shit there too

[ElNono]

Altho my bro lives in Santa Monica. I’ll hook you up with the lesser VY. Him and SR21 can show you all the hot armo spots around town. Maybe get some kefte while you’re at it.

Visited there already. It's pretty nice (if you overlook the typical LA traffic). Gotta crunch numbers, feelings and see what the fam thinks too.

[phxspurfan]

California proposes a plan to tax text messages

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/12/tech/california-text-tax/index.html

"San Francisco (CNN Business)California regulators want to tax text messages to increase funds for programs that bring connectivity to underserved residents."

"The 52-page proposal by CPUC Commissioner Carla J. Peterman lays out the details of the plan, and says the state's Public Purpose Program budget is going up while incoming fees to fill it are decreasing."


text messaging tax incoming...

[ElNono]

Hottest Persian girl I ever hooked up with was from Tinton Falls. You’re gonna regret it ...

The NJ winters were always fun since I was a kid, although I could see the appeal of SoCal as an adult. You should just stop being a fagget and move to ATX. They have tech and shit there too

Wifey has family in the valley so I visit every year (heading there next week), tbh, stopped by Austin a few times. I've even considered moving the operation to San Antonio just to be closer to them now that they're getting older.

I have this offer now, I gotta think about it. At any rate, it would be closer to fly to Texas too, so that's something else to consider.

[ElNono]

California proposes a plan to tax text messages

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/12/tech/california-text-tax/index.html

"San Francisco (CNN Business)California regulators want to tax text messages to increase funds for programs that bring connectivity to underserved residents."

"The 52-page proposal by CPUC Commissioner Carla J. Peterman lays out the details of the plan, and says the state's Public Purpose Program budget is going up while incoming fees to fill it are decreasing."

text messaging tax incoming...

This more broadly shows how disconnected government officials are from tech. I don't think I've sent or received a text message in years, and for many years I didn't even have a text message plan. Could probably do without one right now.

This is actually why the carriers primarily oppose it, I suspect, it would pretty much make sure they remove the service from plans and stop getting money for it.

[DMC]

As many as Soros money allows, tbh...

Did you save any of those teargas canisters tbh? I bet I could sell them on Ebay

[ElNono]

Did you save any of those teargas canisters tbh? I bet I could sell them on Ebay

tbh, if I end up in California, I'll probably keep them for the next time a conservative speaker shows up to speak at Stanford or UCLA...

[baseline bum]

What's crazy is that a rent is not that far off from a mortgage if you have the money for the 20%-25% down-payment.



San Mateo or Santa Monica.

Basically, house prices are in-line with house prices here in NJ, but rent is about 3x-4x as much, pretty wicked.

Damn so you'll have the hookup for the next God of War? Or for that Diablo mobile game? :lol

[spurraider21]

LeNono gonna move to LA :wow

lavengers are real

[baseline bum]

LeNono gonna move to LA :wow

lavengers are real

:lol

[DMC]

tbh, if I end up in California, I'll probably keep them for the next time a conservative speaker shows up to speak at Stanford or UCLA...

Mi llanta

[Chucho]

tbh, if I end up in California, I'll probably keep them for the next time a conservative speaker shows up to speak at Stanford or UCLA...


You'll need them before then for the tweaker homeless zombie epidemic. Was in LA/Long Beach last week and the homeless issue is understated dramatically here and being near the Bay and going so often, it's just amazing how much it's exploded the last few years. Be prepared, even if you live in the nice areas.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/1078403676400766976

[ElNono]

Mental illness... it happens, amirite?

[Chris]

Mental illness... it happens, amirite?

Stay classy there bud.

[ElNono]

Stay classy there bud.

Always.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1079129786864332802

[rmt]

California faces a pension showdown

California drastically increased public employee pension benefits in the fall of 2003, when the state allowed employees to purchase "airtime." Prior to the pension spike, a 50-year-old fireman making $89,000 a year could retire at age 50 after 30 years of service and collect an $80,100-a-year pension with life expectancy of 76.3 years.

But under "airtime," the fireman could purchase extra years of seniority at a cost per of $0.18022 per year for every $1 of salary. For $80,197.90, the fireman could increase his pension by $13,350 to $93,450. Such an investment in "airtime" would return a spectacular income stream of $351,105 over the next 26.3 years of life expectancy.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/california_faces_a_pension_showdown.html

[rmt]

The maximum percentage for Florida Retirement System has always been 48% of average of 5 highest years (up to 60 days vacation max added to one of those years). Rick Scott reduced COLA (3%) by x/30 for each x year after 2011 (that's why they hate him so but it was to save the system). Iirc, FRS is currently 86% funded - not great but not bad. How's Texas, anyone know?

This is in comparison to CA's 90% or 105% with buyback - of 3 highest years (easier to get higher amt than averaging 5 years).

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1080928604517793792

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1080928604517793792
they already did their job for the midterms

took a bunch of seats in cali

mission accomplished :tu

[koriwhat]

they already did their job for the midterms

took a bunch of seats in cali

mission accomplished :tu

good job on celebrating corruption just like all good dipshit libs do. :tu

[spurraider21]

good job on celebrating corruption just like all good dipshit libs do. :tu
:lol you're such an impressionable goober

there's no accusation of illegal voting or voter registration

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1080928604517793792By definition those weren't votes.

:lol non story.

[boutons_deux]

"The conservative group Judicial Watch filed a 2017 lawsuit charging that Los Angeles County and the state were failing to meet federal requirements and ensure those inactive registrations were removed from records.The group's president, Tom Fitton, said in a statement that the settlement "will clean up election rolls."


There was no admission of wrongdoing in the agreement.

Los Angeles County Clerk Dean Logan said in a statement that

a 2018 U.S. Supreme Court ruling shifted rules related to inactive voters.

The county will comply with the court decision, and "nothing in the agreement will jeopardize even one eligible Los Angeles County voter," he said."

But "as pattern and practice, neither party communicates with inactive voters," Brulte said.

"I don't think it has any practical impact on how campaigns will be run in California."

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/business/article223905835.html

Why remove inactive voters?

Why are you COMPELLED to vote to remain registered on the rolls?

Bullshit by both parties, since Repugs are by far the biggest "de-activators"

The Self-Proclaimed Greatest Democracy in The Universe flat-out refuses to operate a trustworthy, verifiable voting system.

[Chucho]

New Gov. Newsome slapping taxes everywhere there's a problem and absolutely zero inclination to use any of the surplus he can't stop bragging about. Pretending to care about the poor when it's on everyone else's dime is THE calling card of the Californian DemoKKKrat.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article224239685.html?fbclid=IwAR0O2G6Xe9A95hXtpLK VRC9ya6loIQOGkZq0Co1GMrDaUER8kLzib298cjo

[Will Hunting]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1080928604517793792
But I thought there was a Soros fueled conspiracy to run up the vote count in CA to make it look like Trump loses the popular vote?

[Chris]

But I thought there was a Soros fueled conspiracy to run up the vote count in CA to make it look like Trump loses the popular vote?

Going with the spurraider21 shtick eh? Have fun with that.

[Winehole23]

Not a peep from Chris when millions of voters in other states were scrubbed from the rolls leading up to the election of DJT.

Voter suppression bad now.

[Pavlov]

Going with the spurraider21 shtick eh? Have fun with that.Do inactive voters vote, Chris?

[Chris]

Not a peep from Chris when millions of voters in other states were scrubbed from the rolls leading up to the election of DJT.

Voter suppression bad now.

This thread is about California.

[Pavlov]

:lol Chris always plays forum cop when cornered.

[Nathan89]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lausd-teachers-go-on-strike/ar-BBSdZSe?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Teachers strike in effort to shrink class sizes. You can thank the illegals for the crowded classes.

[Pavlov]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lausd-teachers-go-on-strike/ar-BBSdZSe?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Teachers strike in effort to shrink class sizes. You can thank the illegals for the crowded classes.How many undocumented students are there, Nathan?

[Nathan89]

Even California with their massive resources and bleeding hearts can't fund a school system that has to support illegals. Sanctuary cities! Open borders! :lmao

[Pavlov]

Even California with their massive resources and bleeding hearts can't fund a school system that has to support illegals. Sanctuary cities! Open borders! :lmaoHow many undocumented students are there, Nathan?

[Nathan89]

It's not just illegals. It's also decades of high birth rate culture being imported.

[Pavlov]

It's not just illegals. It's also decades of high birth rate culture being imported.How many undocumented students are there, Nathan?

[Nathan89]

Do a search to figure it out Pav.

[Pavlov]

Do a search to figure it out Pav.You brought them up, tough guy.

How many undocumented students are in California, Nathan?

[Will Hunting]

Do a search to figure it out Pav.
:lol Conservatives on this site love going with “LOOK IT UP YOURSELF PUSSY!!!” as a response whenever they’re asked a specific question.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1094441637361573891

[paperboy77]

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1094441637361573891

Not sure what you support here? Beto and AOC? Or is your avatar (whatever) is you being sarcastic. Real question.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/ICEgov/status/1098960522953850880

[ElNono]

California’s new ‘sanctuary’ battle could be keeping immigrant data away from ICE (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-sanctuary-state-ice-data-california-20190224-story.html#nt=oft-Single%20Chain~Flex%20Feature~~sanctuary-1210am~~1~yes-art~curated~curatedpage)

New legislation would prohibit cities and counties from entering into new contracts with any company that sells, mines or analyzes personal information for ICE or Customs and Border Protection.

[Winehole23]

Federalism, have you heard of it, Chris?

[Chris]

Exclusive–California Refused 5.6K Requests to Turn over Criminal Illegal Aliens to Federal Officials

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/28/exclusive-california-refused-5-6k-requests-to-turn-over-criminal-illegal-aliens-to-federal-officials/


https://twitter.com/1776Stonewall/status/1101258744879566854

[RandomGuy]

California faces a pension showdown

California drastically increased public employee pension benefits in the fall of 2003, when the state allowed employees to purchase "airtime." Prior to the pension spike, a 50-year-old fireman making $89,000 a year could retire at age 50 after 30 years of service and collect an $80,100-a-year pension with life expectancy of 76.3 years.

But under "airtime," the fireman could purchase extra years of seniority at a cost per of $0.18022 per year for every $1 of salary. For $80,197.90, the fireman could increase his pension by $13,350 to $93,450. Such an investment in "airtime" would return a spectacular income stream of $351,105 over the next 26.3 years of life expectancy.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/california_faces_a_pension_showdown.html

This just in:

Conservatives blog fails to understand the concept of time value of money. Details at 11.

[RandomGuy]

Do a search to figure it out [how many undocumented students there are] Pav.

Quantify it. Otherwise you have yet another imaginary problem.

Conservatives imagine so many.

[RandomGuy]

California faces a pension showdown

California drastically increased public employee pension benefits in the fall of 2003, when the state allowed employees to purchase "airtime." Prior to the pension spike, a 50-year-old fireman making $89,000 a year could retire at age 50 after 30 years of service and collect an $80,100-a-year pension with life expectancy of 76.3 years.

But under "airtime," the fireman could purchase extra years of seniority at a cost per of $0.18022 per year for every $1 of salary. For $80,197.90, the fireman could increase his pension by $13,350 to $93,450. Such an investment in "airtime" would return a spectacular income stream of $351,105 over the next 26.3 years of life expectancy.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/california_faces_a_pension_showdown.html

So what do you think this says?

This is very fiscally responsible.

[rmt]

This just in:

Conservatives blog fails to understand the concept of time value of money. Details at 11.

The COLA for 2018 is 3.6%

https://www.lafpp.com/members/plan-details/costs-of-living-adjustments-cola

That rate just makes it EVEN worse.

[rmt]

So what do you think this says?

This is very fiscally responsible.

You think this is very fiscally responsible? A loan of $80,200 for 26 years yielding $1112.50 ($13,350 divided by 12) per month is over 16%. Where in the world can you get a guaranteed return of 16%? Why do you think Cal Fire sued if not that this buying of airtime benefits their members? And add 3.6% yearly COLA to that, and it increases greatly.

https://calculator.me/loan/

[RandomGuy]

You think this is very fiscally responsible? A loan of $80,200 for 26 years yielding $1112.50 ($13,350 divided by 12) per month is over 16%. Where in the world can you get a guaranteed return of 16%? Why do you think Cal Fire sued if not that this buying of airtime benefits their members? And add 3.6% yearly COLA to that, and it increases greatly.

https://calculator.me/loan/

Hmm. Depends on the parameters of the "loan" is it a lump sum, or an amount contributed over 20 years? The blog is rather vague on that.

[RandomGuy]

The COLA for 2018 is 3.6%

https://www.lafpp.com/members/plan-details/costs-of-living-adjustments-cola

That rate just makes it EVEN worse.

Looked the specifics. It is bad, and unsustainable. The payments are lump sums late in working life, not sustained contributions.

Which is why Brown and other Democratic lawmakers attempted to change it.

From Dec 2018:
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/the-state-worker/article222674660.html

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/phillyeaglesfa1/status/1103074211285925888

[CosmicCowboy]

Technically, they don't fart. They belch.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/JessieJaneDuff/status/1103267074774831104

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/JessieJaneDuff/status/1103267074774831104That isn't voter fraud.


Jesus you people are stupid.

[SpursforSix]

Technically, they don't fart. They belch.

This is incorrect. Cows both fart and belch.

How does a so called "Cowboy" not know this?

[RandomGuy]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/30/598348764/fact-check-calif-judge-rules-coffee-must-come-with-a-cancer-warning-but-should-it


Ya'll probably need to get back to work on that whole secession thing. :lol

California accounted for nearly three-quarters of US jobs added in February
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/22/california-accounted-for-nearly-three-quarters-of-us-jobs-added-in-february.html

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/JessieJaneDuff/status/1103267074774831104

That isn't voter fraud, dumbass. You really will believe anything.

[TeyshaBlue]

California accounted for nearly three-quarters of US jobs added in February
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/22/california-accounted-for-nearly-three-quarters-of-us-jobs-added-in-february.html

Yeah, ok.

"February 2019 stands out because California's job gain was large in relation to the nation's unusually small gain," he said. "You could just as easily look at January and ask why California's 5,900-job gain was so small relative to the nation's 311,000 job gain."

Still, Henry said it's perhaps more meaningful to look at trends over several months and not a single month such as February.

[TeyshaBlue]

RG and his drive-by posting. Didn't bother to read your own post.:lol Probably need to look at the current BLS report.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/laus.pdf
Salon or VOX probably doesn't have this

Nonfarm Payroll Employment
Nonfarm payroll employment increased in two states in February 2019: Florida (+25,200, or +0.3
percent) and Idaho (+3,600, or +0.5 percent). (See table 3.)
Twenty-two states had over-the-year increases in nonfarm payroll employment in February. The largest
job gains occurred in Texas (+268,800), California (+222,500), and Florida (+211,900). The largest
percentage gain occurred in Nevada (+3.5 percent), followed by Utah (+2.9 percent) and Arizona (+2.7
percent). (See table C and map 2.)

[spurraider21]

i'll be a case study for ya guys, as im born in raised in LA. will be moving to live in charlottesville for the next 4 years.

we'll see if i fall in love with "real america" or if i want to come back at that point

[rmt]

California accounted for nearly three-quarters of US jobs added in February
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/22/california-accounted-for-nearly-three-quarters-of-us-jobs-added-in-february.html

Do you even READ the articles you post? Cherry-picking February (which was unusually low) while bypassing the last statement "California's unemployment rate in February remained at 4.2 percent, the state reported Friday. That remains ahead of the U.S. unemployment rate, which was 3.8 percent in February."

[Chris]

Rare W for California:

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1112041207046307841

[koriwhat]

i'll be in the belly of the beast mid april... it's going to be interesting to say the least. i just want to smoke all their legal weed is all. lol

[ElNono]

i'll be in the belly of the beast mid april... it's going to be interesting to say the least. i just want to smoke all their legal weed is all. lol

Me too, where u heading to?

[Chucho]

Me too, where u heading to?

Seriously, if you're in any of the metro areas, just look up weed on Craigslist. You will get a MUCH higher quality flower/product and will not have to pay 30-50% tax on it. Just look up "delivery service".

[ElNono]

Seriously, if you're in any of the metro areas, just look up weed on Craigslist. You will get a MUCH higher quality flower/product and will not have to pay 30-50% tax on it. Just look up "delivery service".

I haven’t done weed in years, tbh... nothing against it, just over it.

[Chucho]

I haven’t done weed in years, tbh... nothing against it, just over it.

Ah. More into the cuhcaine, I see.

[koriwhat]

Me too, where u heading to?

Los Angeles... Going to dress up like that queer eye guy jonathan and dupe a bunch of people on hollywood blvd but i have to dye my hair back to brown first and grow a hipster mustache. LA, where dreams are made!

seriously though i'll be out in LA mid April. let's smoke some blunts together nono! :tu

[koriwhat]

Seriously, if you're in any of the metro areas, just look up weed on Craigslist. You will get a MUCH higher quality flower/product and will not have to pay 30-50% tax on it. Just look up "delivery service".

for real? damn!

my buddy has a friend who grows and he gets oz's of bomb shit for next to nothing(seriously like $30). i on the other hand am on the lookout for a few quality strains i've yet to try and the most potent edibles ever since edibles don't work on me. i think i'm going to try 1000mg of edibles the first day i am there because 200mg's has yet to work and none of the edibles i have made with oil have done shit to me but they lay everyone else out drooling.

[koriwhat]

Ah. More into the cuhcaine, I see.

https://i.imgur.com/seF8yoL.gif

[Chucho]

for real? damn!

my buddy has a friend who grows and he gets oz's of bomb shit for next to nothing(seriously like $30). i on the other hand am on the lookout for a few quality strains i've yet to try and the most potent edibles ever since edibles don't work on me. i think i'm going to try 1000mg of edibles the first day i am there because 200mg's has yet to work and none of the edibles i have made with oil have done shit to me but they lay everyone else out drooling.

I'm the same way. Concentrates and edibles just dont work. Full grams of club wax to the dome...not a $65 dollar high at all, same with edibles.Save your money, get flower. Lots of exciting hybrids pop up daily here.

[koriwhat]

I'm the same way. Concentrates and edibles just dont work. Full grams of club wax to the dome...not a $65 dollar high at all, same with edibles.Save your money, get flower. Lots of exciting hybrids pop up daily here.

yeah man dabs don't do much to me and edibles are worthless. i've had only 2 times where edibles worked on me and one was a small bite of a muffin(scared the shit out of me) yrs ago before i was diagnosed with this gluten bs, the other incident was in miami and that cookie was the best thing ever!

a buddy came in town recently with some edibles from cali and gave me a 100mg lollipop of which i ate all of it and then 2 hrs later when it didn't kick in i ate 4 of my cookies i made and i only ever felt that heaviness in my face but no high whatsoever. it bums me out because i'd rather eat it than smoke it tbh even though i love smoking my blunts and only blunts.

[ElNono]

Los Angeles... Going to dress up like that queer eye guy jonathan and dupe a bunch of people on hollywood blvd but i have to dye my hair back to brown first and grow a hipster mustache. LA, where dreams are made!

seriously though i'll be out in LA mid April. let's smoke some blunts together nono! :tu

Good stuff. I’m actually going there next week, then again around the 15th. I just got a job there, start the 22nd. Maybe we can get together tbh

[ElNono]

Ah. More into the cuhcaine, I see.

lol, still have my nicotine addiction, switched to electronic a few years ago. tbh, if I started smoking weed again I’ll get nothing done...

[ElNono]

I only see old people doing edibles here, tbh...

[koriwhat]

Good stuff. I’m actually going there next week, then again around the 15th. I just got a job there, start the 22nd. Maybe we can get together tbh

i fly in on the 15th. :tu

[koriwhat]

I only see old people doing edibles here, tbh...

i'm getting old tbh

[DarrinS]

lol, still have my nicotine addiction, switched to electronic a few years ago. tbh, if I started smoking weed again I’ll get nothing done...

The nicotine addiction is tough to beat, tbh. Good luck.


I only see old people doing edibles here, tbh...

Edibles are dangerous, imho. Takes a long time to kick in, so you take more. Gotta be careful with those.

[DarrinS]

Good stuff. I’m actually going there next week, then again around the 15th. I just got a job there, start the 22nd. Maybe we can get together tbh

You going to live there or work remotely?

[koriwhat]

Edibles are dangerous, imho. Takes a long time to kick in, so you take more. Gotta be careful with those.

fuck it! let the bodies hit the floor! lol

[ElNono]

The nicotine addiction is tough to beat, tbh. Good luck.

Edibles are dangerous, imho. Takes a long time to kick in, so you take more. Gotta be careful with those.

Peeps with arthritis swear by it. I’m not that fucked up yet, but glad people that need it can get it

[apalisoc_9]

California is one of the biggest if not the biggest culture inventors and it is home to some of the biggest companies in the world that employ thousands of US citizens.

A lot of the things US citizens use now is thanks to California.

Hating on a state that does a lot of carrying cause of gays

:lmao

[ElNono]

You going to live there or work remotely?

I’m moving there. I’m actually typing this on the train from NYC, went to say my goodbyes to the city.

Getting out of the comfort zone a bit, new challenges...

[ElNono]

i fly in on the 15th. :tu

How long are you staying? I’ll probably be moving that week, but if my car is in by then, I’ll reach out.

[koriwhat]

How long are you staying? I’ll probably be moving that week, but if my car is in by then, I’ll reach out.

for a while... i'm going to be lost out there just exploring places to eat, chill at, and take in the nice weather. i have not a clue about LA however last time i was there, over a decade ago, i was able to somewhat get around and find things to do until my buddy got off work.

you know LA pretty well?

[DarrinS]

I’m moving there. I’m actually typing this on the train from NYC, went to say my goodbyes to the city.

Getting out of the comfort zone a bit, new challenges...


Super high cost of living there. Good luck

[DarrinS]

California is one of the biggest if not the biggest culture inventors and it is home to some of the biggest companies in the world that employ thousands of US citizens.

A lot of the things US citizens use now is thanks to California.

Hating on a state that does a lot of carrying cause of gays

:lmao

Terrible place to be poor. That state probably has the worst wealth inequality in the union.

[DarrinS]

I work for a company in Chicago. There's no fuckin way I'd relocate there.

[ElNono]

for a while... i'm going to be lost out there just exploring places to eat, chill at, and take in the nice weather. i have not a clue about LA however last time i was there, over a decade ago, i was able to somewhat get around and find things to do until my buddy got off work.

you know LA pretty well?

I've been there 2-3 times, but mostly downtown... so this is def gonna be a new experience for me.

[ElNono]

Super high cost of living there. Good luck

Thanks. I'm aware of the cost of living there. It was just too tempting of an offer to pass. We'll see how it goes.

[DMC]

California is one of the biggest if not the biggest culture inventors and it is home to some of the biggest companies in the world that employ thousands of US citizens.

A lot of the things US citizens use now is thanks to California.

Hating on a state that does a lot of carrying cause of gays

:lmao

:lmao

Coffee enemas and botox

[CosmicCowboy]

for a while... i'm going to be lost out there just exploring places to eat, chill at, and take in the nice weather. i have not a clue about LA however last time i was there, over a decade ago, i was able to somewhat get around and find things to do until my buddy got off work.

you know LA pretty well?

If you like Dim sum check out din tai fung at century city. One of my "must hit" places when I'm in LA. That's weird about you guys an edibles. I can buzz on 10mg gummies.

[koriwhat]

I've been there 2-3 times, but mostly downtown... so this is def gonna be a new experience for me.

:tu

[koriwhat]

If you like Dim sum check out din tai fung at century city. One of my "must hit" places when I'm in LA. That's weird about you guys an edibles. I can buzz on 10mg gummies.

I wish 10mg did something to me or even a couple hundred mgs. I'll let you know what 1000mg is like here soon eough.

And dim sum, hell yes! Thanks bud.

[spurraider21]

Good stuff. I’m actually going there next week, then again around the 15th. I just got a job there, start the 22nd. Maybe we can get together tbh
gtg before i have to move to virginia in july, tbh

[ElNono]

gtg before i have to move to virginia in july, tbh

tbh

[RandomGuy]

I'm the same way. Concentrates and edibles just dont work. Full grams of club wax to the dome...not a $65 dollar high at all, same with edibles.Save your money, get flower. Lots of exciting hybrids pop up daily here.

Here in Cali on business trip. Looks like state is prospering.

Yet.. it is run by Democrats.

Tell me again how badly the state is doing with its faggy ass liberal balanced budget and all...?

[RandomGuy]

Terrible place to be poor. That state probably has the worst wealth inequality in the union.

Wait a minute, doesn't that mean that rich job creators are creating jobs for erryone?

Pick a lane geenyus.

[Chucho]

Here in Cali on business trip. Looks like state is prospering.

Yet.. it is run by Democrats.

Tell me again how badly the state is doing with its faggy ass liberal balanced budget and all...?

Awful. Live here and give me a valid opinion. Tell me why the wealth gap continually widens and our public education is abysmal and why our crime rates continue to grow while only the elite and the politicians continue to prosper here.

But det balanced budget and surplus tho, right? Glad to know your cushy trip gave you such a robust understanding of what's going on here.

[DarrinS]

Wait a minute, doesn't that mean that rich job creators are creating jobs for erryone?

Pick a lane geenyus.


As a former resident of southern CA (late 80's), I left because of the high cost of living.

[TeyshaBlue]

Awful. Live here and give me a valid opinion. Tell me why the wealth gap continually widens and our public education is abysmal and why our crime rates continue to grow while only the elite and the politicians continue to prosper here.

But det balanced budget and surplus tho, right? Glad to know your cushy trip gave you such a robust understanding of what's going on here.

/Thread

[boutons_deux]

California adopts new wetlands rules to protect them from Trump rollbacks

California regulators voted Tuesday to strengthen state safeguards for thousands of wetlands and streams that are about to lose federal protections in a Trump administration rollback of the Clean Water Act (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-clean-water-20181211-story.html).

Nearly 90% of California’s historic wetlands have been filled in or plowed under, and the state has said it is vital to preserve what remains.

The new state rules will insulate California from Washington’s efforts to drop regulations that prevent the destruction of isolated wetlands and seasonal streams.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-state-wetlands-protections-20190402-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

Even CA shits in its own bed

===================

Trump administration unveils major Clean Water Act rollback rump administration unveils major Clean Water Act rollback

The Trump administration unveiled its plan Tuesday for a major rollback of the Clean Water Act, a blueprint drawn up at the behest of

farm groups,

real estate developers and

other business interests

that would end federal protections on thousands of miles of streams and wetlands.

the Obama-era rule that put those waters under the protection of the Clean Water Act “further expanded Washington’s reach into privately owned lands.”

“They claimed it was in the interest of water quality, but it was really about power,” Wheeler said. “Power in the hands of the federal government over landowners.”

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-clean-water-20181211-story.html

[spurraider21]

Awful. Live here and give me a valid opinion. Tell me why the wealth gap continually widens and our public education is abysmal and why our crime rates continue to grow while only the elite and the politicians continue to prosper here.

But det balanced budget and surplus tho, right? Glad to know your cushy trip gave you such a robust understanding of what's going on here.
public schools are underfunded. we spend less than the national average per student. our teacher/student ratio is poor. administrators (principals, superintendents) are overpaid. california's public education is middle of the pack in the country, though, so i dont think "abysmal" is fair. of course, that doesnt factor in the university system. the UC system is the best public university system in the country. the big areas have good community colleges too

the biggest issue here is housing/rent cost, at least in the big cities. and thats a large part due to unnecessary building regulations that are preventing people from building much needed apartment complexes as opposed to single family homes. the big cities are way to populated for the amount of single family homes. then theres a shortage in space which causes rent to skyrocket.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Awful. Live here and give me a valid opinion. Tell me why the wealth gap continually widens and our public education is abysmal and why our crime rates continue to grow while only the elite and the politicians continue to prosper here.

But det balanced budget and surplus tho, right? Glad to know your cushy trip gave you such a robust understanding of what's going on here.
Agree 100%

[Millennial_Messiah]

public schools are underfunded. we spend less than the national average per student. our teacher/student ratio is poor. administrators (principals, superintendents) are overpaid. california's public education is middle of the pack in the country, though, so i dont think "abysmal" is fair. of course, that doesnt factor in the university system. the UC system is the best public university system in the country. the big areas have good community colleges too

the biggest issue here is housing/rent cost, at least in the big cities. and thats a large part due to unnecessary building regulations that are preventing people from building much needed apartment complexes as opposed to single family homes. the big cities are way to populated for the amount of single family homes. then theres a shortage in space which causes rent to skyrocket.
California education system might be average but the high schools do tend to offer the most AP courses to students outside of the U.S. Northeast.

As far as housing and traffic go, they're awful in LA/SV/SF areas. What's going to happen is, in order to achieve any reasonably priced rental spaces, there's going to be a lot of apartment complexes located 30+ miles from all the jobs because of the SFH houses taking up most of the prime real estate. That's inevitably going to make living quality, commutes and traffic worse.

[CosmicCowboy]

My son lives in Culver City and it blew my mind how much he had to pay for a 2000sf fixer upper.

[Chucho]

public schools are underfunded. we spend less than the national average per student. our teacher/student ratio is poor. administrators (principals, superintendents) are overpaid. california's public education is middle of the pack in the country, though, so i dont think "abysmal" is fair. of course, that doesnt factor in the university system. the UC system is the best public university system in the country. the big areas have good community colleges too

the biggest issue here is housing/rent cost, at least in the big cities. and thats a large part due to unnecessary building regulations that are preventing people from building much needed apartment complexes as opposed to single family homes. the big cities are way to populated for the amount of single family homes. then theres a shortage in space which causes rent to skyrocket.


Our public schooling, k-12, is bottom 5 to bottom 10 depending where you look.

I agree, the college system is fantastic.

[clambake]

i love it here.


all you need is $.

[spurraider21]

Our public schooling, k-12, is bottom 5 to bottom 10 depending where you look.

I agree, the college system is fantastic.
#26 here. middle of the pack https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

#37 here. not middle of the pack, but not bottom 5 or 10 either https://www.forbes.com/sites/reneemorad/2018/07/31/states-with-the-best-public-school-systems/#6ea26bfb3897

#35 here. see above https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geographic-disparity-states-best-and-worst-schools/1079181001/

#37 here. https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-best-schools/5335/

CA does rank last in high school graduation, bachelors degree %, and higher degree % (though those are all just liberal indoctrination camps)

[Chucho]

#26 here. middle of the pack https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

#37 here. not middle of the pack, but not bottom 5 or 10 either https://www.forbes.com/sites/reneemorad/2018/07/31/states-with-the-best-public-school-systems/#6ea26bfb3897

#35 here. see above https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geographic-disparity-states-best-and-worst-schools/1079181001/

#37 here. https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-best-schools/5335/

CA does rank last in high school graduation, bachelors degree %, and higher degree % (though those are all just liberal indoctrination camps)

WSJ has them at 40. But, yeah, most lower 3rd. Not good for a state government that always touts "Det Surplus" and "Det GDP" that also has a wealth gap widening as it is.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't understand how you blame a state for wealth gap.

[Winehole23]

Not everybody had convict leasing until the 1940s. Not everybody had civil rights until the 1960s. Some people still don't.

People are saying other people either don't deserve rights or don't deserve to be treated like they do. The theme of cruelty towards the stranger preponders.

Now that we've have second-class consitutional rights for non-whites for a generation or two they should show us a little more class, right?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/AndrewPollackFL/status/1119664937238921216

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1119403581541634048

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1120785631892762624?s=20

[ElNono]

Just moved to LA... you really can’t beat the weather here, tbh, IMO

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RobertJohnDavi/status/1121887297660567553

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1120785631892762624?s=20
lol she lives in LA

[Spurtacular]

lol she lives in LA

Does this mean that SF doesn't have an epidemic, Blake Zero?

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/RobertJohnDavi/status/1121887297660567553

Dems laughing to the bank. And when it becomes unsustainable, they'll go to 2024 Republicrat president for a bailout.

[clambake]

As a former resident of southern CA (late 80's), I left because of the high cost of living.

were you born in cali?

[Chucho]

So...was in San Francisco this past Friday and Saturday...been coming here for over a decade and have been all over the town...

It's bad. I saw feces. I saw needles. Saw people lighting up their meth pipes unabashedly in front of Coit tower. It's seeping into the tourist-y parts. It's like a LA or Central Valley street corner more and more.

Again, interestingly enough, China Town is void of a lot of this "action".

This state is a giant mess...but det surplus and balanced budget, tho.

[rmt]

So...was in San Francisco this past Friday and Saturday...been coming here for over a decade and have been all over the town...

It's bad. I saw feces. I saw needles. Saw people lighting up their meth pipes unabashedly in front of Coit tower. It's seeping into the tourist-y parts. It's like a LA or Central Valley street corner more and more.

Again, interestingly enough, China Town is void of a lot of this "action".

This state is a giant mess...but det surplus and balanced budget, tho.

lol - I guess whatever Chinese mob won't tolerate it.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/OliverMcGee/status/1123262068281552896

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JohnStossel/status/1125058066444050432?s=20

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1129465374343278592

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1135780720482197504

[DarrinS]

were you born in cali?

No. Born in Houston



https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1135780720482197504




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9pZEjSxXQ

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1135780720482197504which would be more effective in your view, picking up the trash or executing the homeless?

[koriwhat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9pZEjSxXQ

yep, exactly what i witnessed as i walked some of the most touristy streets of hollywood while i was out there for 2 wks. people have no clue how bad it actually is there and not on side streets but also hollywood blvd! it's nuts. working at shops, while out of town, i like to sit on the sidewalks and just people watch but i couldn't in LA because the sidewalks are covered in piss. however, i can say i didn't see much feces on the streets but i did smell it.

[koriwhat]

this is at echo park when i was there. almost threw up walking down the stairs due to the god awful amount of feces and piss all over those stairs.

https://imgur.com/UzBeI3M


edit: looks like imgr links don't work. oh well.

[Chris]

which would be more effective in your view, picking up the trash or executing the homeless?

I'm fine with execution as long as it's only the blacks and Mexicans.

[DarrinS]

Blue state utopian cities are literally shitholes.

[spurraider21]

yeah nobody wants to live in Los Angeles

skid row is the whole city tbh

[DarrinS]

yeah nobody wants to live in Los Angeles

skid row is the whole city tbh

It's not what it used to be. Neither is Seattle.

[spurraider21]

It's not what it used to be. Neither is Seattle.
yeah nobody wants to live here anymore at all because skid row

[DarrinS]

yeah nobody wants to live here anymore at all because skid row

Or, Santa Ana River Trail

[DarrinS]

At least, if you get off the dope, and get a decent job, you can look forward to a shithole apartment for 3k/month.

[spurraider21]

At least, if you get off the dope, and get a decent job, you can look forward to a shithole apartment for 3k/month.
its crazy expensive here, no doubt about it. especially if you live somewhere like santa monica. its more affordable in the san fernando valley tho

[Pavlov]

Yeah, Austin is the worst city in America.

[koriwhat]

Yeah, Austin is the worst city in America.

worst people tbh

[DarrinS]

its crazy expensive here, no doubt about it. especially if you live somewhere like santa monica. its more affordable in the san fernando valley tho

I lived in San Pedro area in the late 80's. It was expensive even then. I used to like driving PCH by Palos Verdes. Some rich fuckers out there. :lol

[Pavlov]

worst people tbhHow many Austinites do you know personally?

[DarrinS]

Yeah, Austin is the worst city in America.

Fuck pretentious, hipster Austin and their God awful traffic, tbh.

[Pavlov]

Fuck pretentious, hipster Austin and their God awful traffic, tbh.:lol that's like the opposite of poop everywhere. Guess you got to move dem goalposts to feel good about yourself.

[spurraider21]

I lived in San Pedro area in the late 80's. It was expensive even then. I used to like driving PCH by Palos Verdes. Some rich fuckers out there. :lol
palos verdes has those snooty prep kids who spent their teenage years at expensive golf course types

i personally like the SFV. yeah there are some "trashier" areas in the middle near reseda/winnetka arreas, but even thats not all that bad. its a much more calm area than the frantic/hectic downtown area. main issue is that everything is so fucking spread out, so nothing is within walking distance of anything. but you can still find some nice upscale areas like calabasas, studio city. porter ranch used to be in a weird spot because you had big, nice houses but absolutely nothing to do in the immediate area. but lately they've started to build more attractions/restaurants and shit in the area to make it its own hub

im moving to charlottesville next month though, so i'll see if the grass is greener :lol

[DarrinS]

palos verdes has those snooty prep kids who spent their teenage years at expensive golf course types

i personally like the SFV. yeah there are some "trashier" areas in the middle near reseda/winnetka arreas, but even thats not all that bad. its a much more calm area than the frantic/hectic downtown area. main issue is that everything is so fucking spread out, so nothing is within walking distance of anything. but you can still find some nice upscale areas like calabasas, studio city. porter ranch used to be in a weird spot because you had big, nice houses but absolutely nothing to do in the immediate area. but lately they've started to build more attractions/restaurants and shit in the area to make it its own hub

im moving to charlottesville next month though, so i'll see if the grass is greener :lol


You should get waay more for your dollar there. Say hello to governor blackface. :lol

[DarrinS]

:lol that's like the opposite of poop everywhere. Guess you got to move dem goalposts to feel good about yourself.

No goalpost moving necessary. Austin has some cool spots, but the city is just too overpopulated with faggots, such as yourself.

[spurraider21]

You should get waay more for your dollar there. Say hello to governor blackface. :lol
oh definitely. actually flying out this weekend to place offers on houses, something i wouldnt dream of doing here in LA for at least a couple of years :lol

[DarrinS]

oh definitely. actually flying out this weekend to place offers on houses, something i wouldnt dream of doing here in LA for at least a couple of years :lol

I've always wanted to move to a town that size and find an old Craftsman to restore. Maybe when I retire.

Best of luck on the house hunt. :tu

[koriwhat]

How many Austinites do you know personally?

plenty tbh. i just hate that city with a passion. i thought i'd hate LA just as much but nope. fuck austin!

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/KATVNews/status/1151934663167864833

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/KATVNews/status/1151934663167864833
i'm sorry for your pain

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/KATVNews/status/1151934663167864833

what a bunch of fucking retards in california.

[Chris]

what a bunch of fucking retards in california.

Democrats have completely ruined that state.

[clambake]

must spew hate for things i can't afford.

[Chucho]

must spew hate for things i can't afford.

LOL. That's not even close.

[Chucho]

Democrats have completely ruined that state.


No state this rich should have the poverty issues it has. Plain and simple, the state Government is literally sitting on their hands in regards to any plans of action to the domestic poor. Ask about the foreign and undocumented poor and they've got a million words and lots of plans...that really don't cost them anything.

Negligence is awful and is abuse. Promising support and help for others not in your sphere of influence while the ones you can immediately help are not receiving a fraction of the support and help is mind-boggling.

[Chucho]

oh definitely. actually flying out this weekend to place offers on houses, something i wouldnt dream of doing here in LA for at least a couple of years :lol

The Carolinas are one of the coast lines superior to California. Actually, most of the NE coast up from the Carolinas is pretty gorgeous.

[Chris]

No state this rich should have the poverty issues it has. Plain and simple, the state Government is literally sitting on their hands in regards to any plans of action to the domestic poor. Ask about the foreign and undocumented poor and they've got a million words and lots of plans...that really don't cost them anything.

Negligence is awful and is abuse. Promising support and help for others not in your sphere of influence while the ones you can immediately help are not receiving a fraction of the support and help is mind-boggling.

Always enjoy your takes on California tbh I'm looking at it from the outside-in here in Texas.

[Chucho]

Always enjoy your takes on California tbh I'm looking at it from the outside-in here in Texas.


What the state government does and how it acts are TWO completely different things here. I got here in 09, right in the midst of the recession. Two things have improved in that time frame- state politicians' salaries and the legalization of pot (although street level is still cheaper and better if you got the plug).

California is easy to sum up; filled with a lot of people who say something but don't ever act or behave that way.

[FrostKing]

No state this rich should have the poverty issues it has. Plain and simple, the state Government is literally sitting on their hands in regards to any plans of action to the domestic poor. Ask about the foreign and undocumented poor and they've got a million words and lots of plans...that really don't cost them anything.

Negligence is awful and is abuse. Promising support and help for others not in your sphere of influence while the ones you can immediately help are not receiving a fraction of the support and help is mind-boggling.
Their main answer to American poverty is "inequality".

But they seem unable to see the entire picture - if you leave the back door open with consistent poor migrants

So their policies usually fall squarely on: rich people are greedy and/or racist

[spurraider21]

Always enjoy your takes on California tbh I'm looking at it from the outside-in here in Texas.
he tells you what you want to hear, tbh

[koriwhat]

he tells you what you want to hear, tbh

you say that but i visited LA 12 yrs ago and it was drastically different a couple months ago when i last visited. the key difference was piss, shit, and bums on all the sidewalks(even main roads) with tents. it wasn't that way last time i went out there. as well, last time no one proclaimed they were a socialist to me but back then i probably wouldn't have cared either way.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DevinNunes/status/1152945998328504320

[Nathan89]

California Wants to Teach Your Kids That Capitalism Is Racist

https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-wants-to-teach-your-kids-that-capitalism-is-racist-11564441342

This is why we need the electoral college.

[hater]

Capitalism needs to die a fast death tbqh

[Nathan89]

California Wants to Teach Your Kids That Capitalism Is Racist

https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-wants-to-teach-your-kids-that-capitalism-is-racist-11564441342

This is why we need the electoral college.


Capitalism needs to die a fast death tbqh

Nice reasonable response to California pushing propaganda as education.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1156309105209987073?s=20

[Chucho]

Was at Pier 39 today in Frisco...no human feces out in the open but definitely fucking filthy and the homeless have literally taken over the lovely Embarcadero lawn. Used to be lovely, now cardboard shanties and saw a bum whip it out and piss on a tree in front of thousands of passersby. Got worse as we drove into the non-touristy parts of town. China Town was probably the cleanest part of the city today.

Oakland, on the other hand, is god damned rotten to the core, 100%. What a shithole city, all of the new developments and over priced housing is all graffitied up and fenced in. The wetbacks probably are afraid to take "sanctuary" in that shithole.

[rmt]

Was at Pier 39 today in Frisco...no human feces out in the open but definitely fucking filthy and the homeless have literally taken over the lovely Embarcadero lawn. Used to be lovely, now cardboard shanties and saw a bum whip it out and piss on a tree in front of thousands of passersby. Got worse as we drove into the non-touristy parts of town. China Town was probably the cleanest part of the city today.

Oakland, on the other hand, is god damned rotten to the core, 100%. What a shithole city, all of the new developments and over priced housing is all graffitied up and fenced in. The wetbacks probably are afraid to take "sanctuary" in that shithole.

Are there homeless in China Town?

[koriwhat]

Was at Pier 39 today in Frisco...no human feces out in the open but definitely fucking filthy and the homeless have literally taken over the lovely Embarcadero lawn. Used to be lovely, now cardboard shanties and saw a bum whip it out and piss on a tree in front of thousands of passersby. Got worse as we drove into the non-touristy parts of town. China Town was probably the cleanest part of the city today.

Oakland, on the other hand, is god damned rotten to the core, 100%. What a shithole city, all of the new developments and over priced housing is all graffitied up and fenced in. The wetbacks probably are afraid to take "sanctuary" in that shithole.

china town in LA was clean too... everywhere else was filthy and riddled with tents and piss on the ground.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1158946219013615616?s=20

[Chris]

HKCfu4UJQiQ

Outstanding stuff as always from PJW

[Nathan89]

Why California Must Declare A State Of Emergency On Homelessness -- Or Get A Governor Who Will

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/09/09/why-california-must-declare-a-state-of-emergency-on-homelessness-or-get-a-governor-who-will/amp/

[RandomGuy]

Nice reasonable response to California pushing propaganda as education.

You have yet to even come close to proving the assertion made here, especially given the article is behind a paywall.

I call bullshit. Your claim, your burden of proof. Until you can prove your unicorn is real, I have no reason to believe it is.

[Nathan89]

You have yet to even come close to proving the assertion made here, especially given the article is behind a paywall.

I call bullshit. Your claim, your burden of proof. Until you can prove your unicorn is real, I have no reason to believe it is.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/us/california-ethnic-studies.html

Unicorns have a wonderful trot. Luckily for you they are trying to mass breed them.

[boutons_deux]

The CA Homeless Cared For by God

California church leaders charged over forced labor, holding homeless against will

A group of Southern California church leaders were arrested on Tuesday in

a forced labor case involving homeless people who

were allegedly held against their will (https://abcnews.go.com/International/ohio-woman-faces-trafficking-charges-allegedly-hiding-baby/story?id=65409229) and

coerced to surrender their welfare benefits to the church.

Twelve leaders of Imperial Valley Ministries, based in El Centro, California, were arrested on

charges of conspiracy, forced labor, document servitude and benefits fraud,

accused of recruiting dozens of homeless people for unpaid labor by promising them free food and shelter, according to a federal indictment.

Imperial Valley Ministries has about 30 non-denominational churches across the U.S. and Mexico. Its mission is to "restore" drug addicts at faith-based group homes and raise money to open churches in other cities to do the same, according to the indictment.

The church's former pastor was among the 12 arrested.

"The indictment alleges an appalling abuse of power by church officials who preyed on vulnerable homeless people with promises of a warm bed and meals,"

U.S. Attorney Robert Brewer said in a statement Tuesday.

“These victims were held captive,
stripped of their humble financial means,
their identification,
their freedom and
their dignity."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-church-leaders-charged-forced-labor-holding-homeless/story?id=65524857 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-church-leaders-charged-forced-labor-holding-homeless/story?id=65524857)

Praise Be To God Almighty

[RandomGuy]

Nice reasonable response to California pushing propaganda as education.


You have yet to even come close to proving the assertion made here, especially given the article is behind a paywall.

I call bullshit. Your claim, your burden of proof. Until you can prove your unicorn is real, I have no reason to believe it is.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/us/california-ethnic-studies.html

Unicorns have a wonderful trot. Luckily for you they are trying to mass breed them.

Sorry man. That article also doesn't seem to say what you want it to.

It would help if you were to define your terms, and expand on what you are trying to say here.

[Chucho]

Why California Must Declare A State Of Emergency On Homelessness -- Or Get A Governor Who Will

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/09/09/why-california-must-declare-a-state-of-emergency-on-homelessness-or-get-a-governor-who-will/amp/


Very accurate article.


The number of homeless people in LA increased (https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-homeless-count-encampment-affordable-housing-2019-results-20190604-story.html) from 52,765 in 2018 to 58,936. Homelessness increased (https://www.wsj.com/articles/homelessness-grows-in-california-despite-new-government-spending-11559899801) by 43% in Alameda County, which includes Oakland, and 17% in San Francisco. Deaths (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-04/homeless-deaths-los-angeles-coroner-record) on the street rose 76% in LA and 75% in Sacramento over the last five years. Murders and rapes (http://www.lapdpolicecom.lacity.org/031219/BPC_19-0073.pdf) involving the homeless increased by 13% and 61% between 2017 and 2018. And 2019 data show that both deaths and homicides are continuing to rise rapidly (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-04/homeless-deaths-los-angeles-coroner-record).

Goes over all of the empty promises that Newsome made and hasn't acted on, the massive violence increase and the overly ignored concern for basic human health and sanitation. Motherfuckers are getting diseases in California not seen in two centuries and there's very real concern the bubonic plague will reappear in LA soon.

Democrats here absolutely loathe the homeless more than the most stereotypical conservative.

[SnakeBoy]

The CA Homeless Cared For by God

California church leaders charged over forced labor, holding homeless against will

A group of Southern California church leaders were arrested on Tuesday in

a forced labor case involving homeless people who

were allegedly held against their will (https://abcnews.go.com/International/ohio-woman-faces-trafficking-charges-allegedly-hiding-baby/story?id=65409229) and

coerced to surrender their welfare benefits to the church.

Twelve leaders of Imperial Valley Ministries, based in El Centro, California, were arrested on

charges of conspiracy, forced labor, document servitude and benefits fraud,

accused of recruiting dozens of homeless people for unpaid labor by promising them free food and shelter, according to a federal indictment.

Imperial Valley Ministries has about 30 non-denominational churches across the U.S. and Mexico. Its mission is to "restore" drug addicts at faith-based group homes and raise money to open churches in other cities to do the same, according to the indictment.

The church's former pastor was among the 12 arrested.

"The indictment alleges an appalling abuse of power by church officials who preyed on vulnerable homeless people with promises of a warm bed and meals,"

U.S. Attorney Robert Brewer said in a statement Tuesday.

“These victims were held captive,
stripped of their humble financial means,
their identification,
their freedom and
their dignity."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-church-leaders-charged-forced-labor-holding-homeless/story?id=65524857 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-church-leaders-charged-forced-labor-holding-homeless/story?id=65524857)

Praise Be To God Almighty




Sounds like they were practicing imperialism.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1172648039112007681?s=20

[spurraider21]

despite having the largest economy on the planet our country still cant provide healthcare to all its citizens

lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MirrorCeleb/status/1178466991109218304?s=19

It is.

[Ball Buster]

Everyone feel good? Everyone feel better about the place where they live? :lol

Good. :bobo

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1182082536320770048?s=19

[CosmicCowboy]

I dont blame them for mitigating risk because of California's inverse condemnation laws.

[CosmicCowboy]

*

[Chucho]

I dont blame them for mitigating risk because of California's inverse condemnation laws.

Nah, you can't fault them for that. You can fault them for not ever reinvesting into their infrastructure and burying powerlines in these high-risk areas like every other utility in the state has done. You can fault them for the dozens of conflicts of interest with state politicians sitting on their board and allowing them to continue their negligent practices and massive rate increases every year.

It's a scenario that never should have happened, but due to their greed and negligence, they lost billions in lawsuits and now with massive rate increases (my energy usage is slightly lower than last summer, my bill is up 30+% than the same time last year) the pockets need to be filled before the issues are remedied the way they should have been decades prior.

[Nathan89]

"Everybody Is Freaking Out": Freelance Writers Scramble to Make Sense of New California Law

"As for how lawmakers settled on the 35-submission figure, Gonzalez says that she and her team decided that a weekly columnist sounded like a part-time worker and so halved that worker's yearly submissions. After protest from some freelancers, the number was bumped up to 35. "Was it a little arbitrary? Yeah. Writing bills with numbers like that are a little bit arbitrary," she says."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/everybody-is-freaking-freelance-writers-scramble-make-sense-new-california-law-1248195

Big government screwing things up with their "good intentions". I'm shocked.

[Chris]

it gets worse


https://twitter.com/RyanAFournier/status/1185936012083650560?s=19

[Isitjustme?]

1189245903682658306

[baseline bum]

1189245903682658306

:bobo

[boutons_deux]

https://scx2.b-cdn.net/gfx/news/hires/2019/imagecalifor.jpg

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1198806050532679681?s=19

[Chris]

Hollywood studios are “drenched in the blood of innocent children” according to Mel Gibson who claims the consumption of “baby blood is so popular in Hollywood that it basically operates as a currency of its own.”

Hollywood elites (who are mostly Jewish by their own admission) are an “enemy of mankind continually acting contrary to our best interests” and “breaking every God given taboo known to man, including the sanctity of children,” Mel Gibson said in London, where he is promoting his role in Daddy’s Home 2, his most prominent on-screen role in years.

“It’s an open secret in Hollywood. These people have their own religious and spiritual teachings and their own social and moral frameworks. They have their sacred texts – they are sick, believe me – and they couldn’t be more at odds with what America stands for.”

Mel Gibson appeared on the Graham Norton Show on the BBC on Friday, and he schooled shocked guests about the real nature of Hollywood elites in the green room backstage after his appearance.

Explaining that he spent the last ten years “working on my own ideas, outside of the Hollywood system” after being blacklisted by Hollywood in 2006 for sharing opinions about the industry and the world that run counter to liberal orthodoxy, Gibson said, “I don’t know how to break it to you gently… Hollywood is institutionalized pedophilia.

“They are using and abusing kids.“

“They churn through a huge amount of kids every year. Their spiritual beliefs, if you can call them that, direct them to harvest the energy of the kids. They feast on this stuff and they thrive on it,” the Hacksaw Ridge director said.

“What do I mean? This isn’t some kind of artistic abstraction. They harvest the blood of children. They eat their flesh. They believe this gives them life force. If the child was suffering in body and psyche before it died, they believe this gives them extra life force.”

“There is a creative and loving force inside most of us that guides us through life. These people don’t have this. For them it’s the opposite.”

According to Mel Gibson, who has spent 30 years in and out of the Hollywood system, the industry elites “thrive on pain, trauma, stress, abuse, and suffering.”

“Hollywood is drenched in the blood of innocent children. For a long time all the references to pedophilia and cannibalism were symbolic or allusive. But I was personally introduced to the practice in the early 2000s. I can talk about this now because these people, the execs, they’re dead now.”

“The blood of a sexually abused infant is considered highly ‘enriched’ and is highly prized. The money changing hands, the favors, the kickbacks – you have no idea. Babies are a high-functioning currency all of their own. Babies are their premium brand of high-grade caviar cocaine diamond steak.”

But according to Gibson this isn’t a flavor-of-the-month perversion, popular among men and women who have grown bored of standard issue sins.

“This isn’t anything new. If you do some research you will see it’s a metaphysical, alchemical phenomenon and you can find it behind the scenes in all the dark eras in history.

“It’s a dark, multidimensional occult art and practice, used by secret societies in the last few hundred years for social programming and mind control, and raised to a zenith by Hollywood in America in our era.“


Don't remember hearing anything about this??

[ElNono]

Don't remember hearing anything about this??

The only link I found was from a QAnon site:
https://www.volnation.com/forum/threads/qanon-the-storm.288904/page-325

you're dismissed.

[Chris]

The only link I found was from a QAnon site:
https://www.volnation.com/forum/threads/qanon-the-storm.288904/page-325

you're dismissed.

https://www.eutimes.net/2018/10/hollywood-is-a-den-of-parasites-who-feast-on-blood-of-kids-mel-gibson/

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.eutimes.net/2018/10/hollywood-is-a-den-of-parasites-who-feast-on-blood-of-kids-mel-gibson/:lmao Qhris and his fake news.

[ElNono]

https://www.eutimes.net/2018/10/hollywood-is-a-den-of-parasites-who-feast-on-blood-of-kids-mel-gibson/

lol @ the 'source' on that article

[Chris]

:lmao Qhris and his fake news.

The claim is he said it to "shocked guests" in the green room after the show.

Could be fake, but probably the truth.

[ElNono]

lmao @ "could be fake"

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1198806050532679681?s=19

Money well spent.

[spurraider21]

Vons, Pavilions to Fire “Essential Workers,” Replace Drivers with Independent Contractors (https://knock-la.com/vons-fires-delivery-drivers-prop-22-e899ee24ffd0)

[ElNono]

Ralph uses Postmates already tbh

[Winehole23]

Vons, Pavilions to Fire “Essential Workers,” Replace Drivers with Independent Contractors (https://knock-la.com/vons-fires-delivery-drivers-prop-22-e899ee24ffd0)
Be interested to see how much headway Uber and Lyft make with the Biden Administration.


Uber, Lyft, and DoorDash will benefit most from the new regime. But companies beyond the gig economy saw their opportunity to get in on the low-cost labor pool. In January, grocery giants Vons, Pavilions, and Albertsons announced (https://knock-la.com/vons-fires-delivery-drivers-prop-22-e899ee24ffd0) that they’d be firing their full-time, benefits-receiving delivery staff, venerated just months ago as “essential workers,” and replacing them with subcontractors from DoorDash, which has secured a nationwide deal to take over the service. Only unionized staff was spared in the layoffs. That move is a startling sign of things to come, as companies realize that Prop 22 allows them to subcontract the same labor at a lower cost, making Uber, Lyft, DoorDash, Postmates, and Grubhub look more like traditional staffing agencies than innovative, high-tech products.https://prospect.org/labor/prop-22-is-here-already-worse-than-expected-california-gig-workers/

[Winehole23]

On top of that, those gig companies that paid handsomely to create and market Prop 22 to voters are now passing on the cost for these scant benefits to consumers. In late December, Uber announced (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/14/tech/uber-prop-22-california-fees/index.html) that customers in California would see prices increase for rides and food deliveries to help cover the costs of the new benefits. Riders would pay flat fees, between $0.30 and $2 per ride. In January, Lyft, too, said (https://twitter.com/saraashleyo/status/1349471693270642689) it would be tacking on additional fees in response to Prop 22, and DoorDash is expected to make a similar commitment shortly. Workers and consumers are both getting squeezed as these companies juice their profit margins.

[ElNono]

Do some of these companies make money, as in, show a profit? IIRC, Uber did not.

But the writing is on the wall. Uber got into the autonomous-driving market early to rid itself of its 'subcontractors' asap. Didn't work out, IIRC, they recently had to write that down and/or sell it off. Now they'll have to survive until the tech becomes available, which it will sooner or later.

[spurraider21]

Do some of these companies make money, as in, show a profit? IIRC, Uber did not.

But the writing is on the wall. Uber got into the autonomous-driving market early to rid itself of its 'subcontractors' asap. Didn't work out, IIRC, they recently had to write that down and/or sell it off. Now they'll have to survive until the tech becomes available, which it will sooner or later.
"if he dies, he dies"

if your business isn't viable, then that's your problem. shouldnt be the problem of employees who get shorted instead.

income levels (or employment benefits) of the lowest earners in society are the only ones that we scrutinize with a magnifying glass. whether a CEO makes 800k instead of 500k is irrelevant, but whether somebody makes $13/hour over $11/hour is a huge political landmine

[ElNono]

"if he dies, he dies"

if your business isn't viable, then that's your problem. shouldnt be the problem of employees who get shorted instead.

income levels (or employment benefits) of the lowest earners in society are the only ones that we scrutinize with a magnifying glass. whether a CEO makes 800k instead of 500k is irrelevant, but whether somebody makes $13/hour over $11/hour is a huge political landmine

The problem is that people want cheap convenient shit. Uber is magnitudes more convenient than a cab (you don't have a clock ticking, you don't have to deal with a cab driver taking you for a ride, you can call up a vehicle any time, etc) but if it ends up costing twice as much as your average taxi ride, then it won't work out.

I hold no sympathy for these companies, but as you said, their entire business model is premised on forced deregulation of transportation.

[Winehole23]

"if he dies, he dies"

if your business isn't viable, then that's your problem. shouldnt be the problem of employees who get shorted instead.

income levels (or employment benefits) of the lowest earners in society are the only ones that we scrutinize with a magnifying glass. whether a CEO makes 800k instead of 500k is irrelevant, but whether somebody makes $13/hour over $11/hour is a huge political landmineUntil caps for executive compensation get proposed again, yeah. Justification for executive salaries is seldom controversial.

[CosmicCowboy]

The problem is that people want cheap convenient shit. Uber is magnitudes more convenient than a cab (you don't have a clock ticking, you don't have to deal with a cab driver taking you for a ride, you can call up a vehicle any time, etc) but if it ends up costing twice as much as your average taxi ride, then it won't work out.

I hold no sympathy for these companies, but as you said, their entire business model is premised on forced deregulation of transportation.

Uber, lift, doordash, airbnb etc. are all fools gold. Their valuations are ridiculous considering they are losing billions and have already scaled. The only way to ever make money is to double+ their price point which will reduce demand.

[ElNono]

Uber, lift, doordash, airbnb etc. are all fools gold. Their valuations are ridiculous considering they are losing billions and have already scaled. The only way to ever make money is to double+ their price point which will reduce demand.

I think Amazon upended the expectation of short term profit. Uber is also backed by Chinese giant Softbank, so it's a matter of whether they have appetite to wait it out or not. I don't expect anybody to panic on them until Softbank decides to get out.

That said, I wouldn't put my money in these companies.

[tholdren]

I think Amazon upended the expectation of short term profit. Uber is also backed by Chinese giant Softbank, so it's a matter of whether they have appetite to wait it out or not. I don't expect anybody to panic on them until Softbank decides to get out.

That said, I wouldn't put my money in these companies.

Masks dont work

[ElNono]

^ wrong

[tholdren]

Money well spent.

Lol masks dont work
Neither do lockdowns

You low iq

[Winehole23]

1387868977846575105

[Winehole23]

interesting

1396555949612044292

[ElNono]

California Defies Expectations of Doom, Promises Massive Tax Rebate

As California approaches the biggest state tax rebate in U.S. history (https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/05/10/california-roars-back-governor-newsom-announces-largest-state-tax-rebate-in-american-history/), Bloomberg News co-founder Matthew A. Winkler questions its reputation as a state doomed by over-regulation and high taxes.

In fact, California "has no peers among developed economies for expanding GDP, creating jobs (https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/california-defies-doom-with-no-1-u-s-economy), raising household income, manufacturing growth, investment in innovation, producing clean energy and unprecedented wealth through its stocks and bonds." By adding 1.3 million people to its non-farm payrolls since April last year — equal to the entire workforce of Nevada — California easily surpassed also-rans Texas and New York. At the same time, California household income increased $164 billion, almost as much as Texas, Florida and Pennsylvania combined, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. No wonder California's operating budget surplus, fueled by its surging economy and capital gains taxes, swelled to a record $75 billion (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-10/california-budget-surplus-swells-to-75-7-billion-governor-says)...

While pundits have long insisted California policies are bad for business (https://reason.org/commentary/george-will-details-problems-w/), reality belies them. In a sign of investor demand, the weight of California companies in the benchmark S&P 500 Index increased 3 percentage points since a year ago, the most among all states, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Faith in California credit was similarly superlative, with the weight of corporate bonds sold by companies based in the state rising the most among all states, to 12.5 percentage points from 11.7 percentage points, according to the Bloomberg Barclays U.S. Corporate Bond Index. Translation: Investors had the greatest confidence in California companies during the pandemic. The most trusted measure of economic strength says California is the world-beater among democracies. The state's gross domestic product increased 21% during the past five years, dwarfing No. 2 New York (14%) and No. 3 Texas (12%), according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The gains added $530 billion to the Golden State, 30% more than the increase for New York and Texas combined and equivalent to the entire economy of Sweden.

Among the five largest economies, California outperforms the U.S., Japan and Germany with a growth rate exceeded only by China...

Corporate California also is the undisputed leader in renewable energy, with 26 companies worth $897 billion, or 36% of the U.S. industry, having reported 10% or more of their revenues derived from clean technology. No state comes close to matching the 21% of electricity derived from solar energy. Shares of these firms appreciated 282% during the past 12 months and 1,003%, 1,140% and 9,330% over two, five and 10 years, respectively, with no comparable rivals anywhere in the world, according to BloombergNEF. The same companies also increased their workforce 35% since 2019, almost tripling the rate for the rest U.S. overall and four times the global rate...

California companies invested 16% of their revenues in R&D, or their future, when the rest of the U.S. put aside just 1%...

Much has been made of the state reporting its first yearly loss in population, or 182,000 last year. Had it not been for the Trump administration preventing new visas, depriving as many as 150,000 people from moving to California (https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/05/07/breaking-news/california-leaving-state-population-declines-for-first-time/) from other countries annually, the 2020 outcome would have been more favorable.

[Winehole23]

:tu

1407015567786008579

[boutons_deux]

CA GDP > TX + FL GDP

[Ef-man]

California gets its way on appeal.

9th Circuit Appeals Court blocks the overturn of California's assault weapons ban.

The US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has blocked a federal judge's controversial ruling that overturned California's longtime ban on assault weapons, in which he likened the AR-15 to a Swiss Army knife.

In an order Monday, a three-judge panel on the federal appeals court issued a stay of US District Judge Roger Benitez's order earlier this month that overturned California's three-decade old assault weapons ban.

The state's current assault weapons laws will remain in effect while further proceedings continue, California Attorney General Rob Bonta said in a statement on Twitter.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/21/politics/california-assault-style-weapons-ban-overturn-blocked/index.html

[Winehole23]

*makes the sign of the cross*

1414771424502456321

[Winehole23]

1414733952879763464

[Winehole23]

1415154740808196096

[Winehole23]

Just prior to the start of the first televised debate in the Gavin Newsom (https://www.sfgate.com/gavin-newsom) recall election Wednesday evening, a shock poll showed the governor losing the first question ("Should Gavin Newsom be recalled?") by double digits.


The poll (https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=36cdcb0b-7cfa-4b55-8704-d1f02a9fe6e5) came from Survey USA and the San Diego Union Tribune, and was conducted among 1,100 Californians from Aug. 2 to Aug. 4. It found that 51% of respondents were in favor of recalling Newsom, while only 40% wanted to keep him in power. The previous Survey USA/San Diego Union Tribune poll from May (https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=e3ae1d7e-9d6e-44b2-b1f8-e51c51df9ea2) found 36% in favor of the recall with 47% opposed.
https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=36cdcb0b-7cfa-4b55-8704-d1f02a9fe6e5 (https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx)

[DMC]

Golden State is called that for a reason - urine levels are high

[Winehole23]

1584903115316289537

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq08XuCXgAAONzj?format=jpg&name=medium

[Chucho]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq08XuCXgAAONzj?format=jpg&name=medium


And a $100 billion surplus they're sitting on.

It moves from "lol California" to sheer depression knowing not much, if any of the state's increased wealth, is being utilized to address any of the number of crises we've been facing in that same timeframe.

I get your M.O, but bragging about all the money they make while the state burns is isn't much of a flex.

[Winehole23]

:cry

[Winehole23]

Texas is sitting on a huge surplus and not solving any problems with it either.

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5o6k7jvowuyaquloafzn3cfw/bafkreigeppa3p5zcpb4vdeiyb2rjw5adotnzak3jljpgyiotb rkcly3egi@jpeg

[baseline bum]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5o6k7jvowuyaquloafzn3cfw/bafkreigeppa3p5zcpb4vdeiyb2rjw5adotnzak3jljpgyiotb rkcly3egi@jpeg

Too bad they don't have the kind of responsible adults running the state that Germany does.

[Thread]

Too bad they don't have the kind of responsible adults running the state that Germany does.

It's easy for Germany, bum, they ain't allowed to have an MIC. Hitler worked out after all.

[ElNono]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5o6k7jvowuyaquloafzn3cfw/bafkreigeppa3p5zcpb4vdeiyb2rjw5adotnzak3jljpgyiotb rkcly3egi@jpeg

https://media1.tenor.com/m/Lva6Gfs-lsMAAAAd/i-am-rich.gif

[Winehole23]

That stands to reason since California is the fifth-largest economy (https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/07/15/californias-economy-leads-the-nation/) in the world (as of July) and the largest donor state to the federal government. In 2022, the most recent tax year analyzed by the Rockefeller Institute, it paid (https://rockinst.org/issue-areas/fiscal-analysis/balance-of-payments-portal/) $83.1 million more to the federal treasury than it received. Without the COVID aid it received that year along with every other state, its “donation” to the rest of the country would have been over $126 million.


California is an easy target, but it’s far more than that. It would be comparable (https://calmatters.org/commentary/2025/01/california-nation-economy-like-canada/) to Canada if it were its own country, and that is not as far-fetched as it seems. A poll released January 19, as Trump was about to take office, showed 61 percent of Californians favor (https://ic.institute/2025/01/19/poll-as-trump-is-inaugurated-californians-seek-independence/) a peaceful “Calexit” and 77 percent said California should control its state borders “more like a country.” A few days later, as Trump was about to visit, the California secretary of state cleared (https://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2025-news-releases-and-advisories/Proposed-Initiative-Enters-Circulation-Requires-Future-Vote-on-Whether-California-Should-Become-Independent-Country) a petition drive to get a secession proposal onto the 2028 ballot.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Calexit would be a good idea as it's practically its own country anyways, much more than any other state, even states that are proportionately bluer like Maryland and Vermont. They'd have to continue to be a military ally, of course, since the greater USA has so many resources there. To get a different 50th State, you've got options. One of the most obvious geographical things that would make sense would be to throw Michigan Dems a bone by granting the U.P. its own statehood. Sure the GOP would get 2 insta-flips in the Senate but the remaining Michigan would be bluer. Then you'd have to reapportion the electoral college and congressional seats from California and that would definitely heavily favor the Republicans.

[ElNono]

Calexit would be a good idea as it's practically its own country anyways, much more than any other state, even states that are proportionately bluer like Maryland and Vermont. They'd have to continue to be a military ally, of course, since the greater USA has so many resources there. To get a different 50th State, you've got options. One of the most obvious geographical things that would make sense would be to throw Michigan Dems a bone by granting the U.P. its own statehood. Sure the GOP would get 2 insta-flips in the Senate but the remaining Michigan would be bluer. Then you'd have to reapportion the electoral college and congressional seats from California and that would definitely heavily favor the Republicans.

Why would you want to get rid of the greatest economy in the nation? You basically got it backwards. What we need to do is drop the dead weight of Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee.

Maybe trade them to Mexico for Cabo, Cancun, Playa del Carmen. I just don't think Mexico will bite, tbh

[ElNono]

Calexit doesn't make sense unless the US stops being a Democracy. But even in that case, it wouldn't be peaceful. We're talking about 15% of the US GDP.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Calexit doesn't make sense unless the US stops being a Democracy. But even in that case, it wouldn't be peaceful. We're talking about 15% of the US GDP.
GDP is overrated when you don't account for liabilities. CA might produce 15% of the US state level GDP but also 25% of the US state level debt.


Why would you want to get rid of the greatest economy in the nation? You basically got it backwards. What we need to do is drop the dead weight of Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee.


Maybe trade them to Mexico for Cabo, Cancun, Playa del Carmen. I just don't think Mexico will bite, tbh
The most expensive state. The most high maintenance state. The highest producing for sure, but also borrowing the most debt. Shedding CA would be a net gain even if a gross loss.

How is Tennessee dead weight? It's got a booming economy and apart from Florida the most efficient state in the South with tons of jobs in all sectors and a massive music entertainment sector. The other two are pretty much dumps I can't really defend. If you wrote Kentucky instead of Tennessee maybe I'd agree to some extent. But you can't just break up natural geographic parts of a country and have a modern Kaliningrad. At least with California it's attached to the Baja peninsula.

Adding a state without subtracting and vice versa doesn't make sense. It makes sense to have exactly 50 states because it makes all the numbers work out well especially for us metric system lovers. Hawaii has no business being a state and never has, it's impractical to ship so much stuff out there. It was just fine as a satellite province before the late 50s. I'll take Alberta and Saskatchewan, tons of oil up there.