lol California

[TeyshaBlue]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/30/598348764/fact-check-calif-judge-rules-coffee-must-come-with-a-cancer-warning-but-should-it


Ya'll probably need to get back to work on that whole secession thing. :lol

[pgardn]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/30/598348764/fact-check-calif-judge-rules-coffee-must-come-with-a-cancer-warning-but-should-it


Ya'll probably need to get back to work on that whole secession thing. :lol

Whats cool about this is the US can let California drive themselves nuts with regulations. We can sit back and let them do the experiments. When they get so bogged down, or actually lead in something significant, we learn. Having 50 states has its advantages.

[boutons_deux]

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/acrylamide-fact-sheet

The valedictorian of my HS class had a career as a top food chemist at Frito-Lay in Dallas. Part of his work was how to reduce/remove acrylamide shit from F-L's food-like crap. So acrylamide as cancerogenic has been well known for many years.

https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/94/12/876/2519770

But no worries, BigChem/BigCorp has poisoned us all already, along with air, water, earth, for profit. We really have no defense against BigChem.

(btw, Monsanto Bayer attempting merger in EU, and no doubt elsewhere. )

Cancer-causing coffee? yawn. And probably the darker roasts, more heat longer, causes more acrylamide and reduces caffeine.

An NPR said, the science of the health effects of coffee are very mixed. So many variables, so many varieties from so many soils.

[TeyshaBlue]

Pretty sure most of America didnt need to see this to realize it's stupidity. Point taken, however pgrdn.

[TeyshaBlue]

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/acrylamide-fact-sheet

The valedictorian of my HS class had a career as a top food chemist at Frito-Lay in Dallas. Part of his work was how to reduce/remove acrylamide shit from F-L's food-like crap. So acrylamide as cancerogenic has been well known for many years.

https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/94/12/876/2519770

But no worries, BigChem/BigCorp has poisoned us all already, along with air, water, earth, for profit. We really have no defense against BigChem.

(btw, Monsanto Bayer attempting merger in EU, and no doubt elsewhere. )

Cancer-causing coffee? yawn. And probably the darker roasts, more heat longer, causes more acrylamide and reduces caffeine.

An NPR said, the science of the health effects of coffee are very mixed. So many variables, so many varieties from so many soils.

It displays carcinogenic qualities at 10,000x established levels. Give it a break. :rolleyes

[TeyshaBlue]

OMG...I had the temerity to criticize a blue state. My bad.

[DarrinS]

Meanwhile

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/quality-of-life

Dead last

[sickdsm]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/30/598348764/fact-check-calif-judge-rules-coffee-must-come-with-a-cancer-warning-but-should-it


Ya'll probably need to get back to work on that whole secession thing. :lol
I think it's a very dangerous thing to make Starbucks prove that is safe vs the other way around........

[pgardn]

Pretty sure most of America didnt need to see this to realize it's stupidity. Point taken, however pgrdn.

They do innovate as well.
Just thayn.

China is absolutely poisoning their air. I expect them to have some pretty significant research into air quality after poisoning their population. Sad but true.
California drives me nuts when I have tried to fish with my brother off Santa Barbara. They don't even know their own rules. You call to try to get clarification on regions or zones of size, species, seasons... they say look at their website. We are calling BECAUSE the website is not clear. "Err on the side of caution ", well thanks for that.

[Spurtacular]

Ask California how their high speed rail is coming along.

[clambake]

don't come to cali if you have no coin.

[TeyshaBlue]

don't come to cali if you have no coin.

Or premium unleaded.

[Pavlov]

Ask California how their high speed rail is coming along.I will. The wifi in this high speed rail car in Texas is great!

[Chris]

Texas

Ding!

[Spurtacular]

I will. The wifi in this high speed rail car in Texas is great!

Tell us more.

[Pavlov]

Tell us more.Are you asking me how high speed rail is coming along in Texas?

I will tell you if that's what you are asking.

[sickdsm]

don't come to cali if you have no coin.
But I'm an aspiring actor and my hs drama coach says I have a special talent.

[DMX7]

Meanwhile

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/quality-of-life

Dead last

Those rankings are laughable... and Texas is #46. I'm assuming you agree with that too?

[AaronY]

Meanwhile Kansas seeded by trickle down tax cuts is continuing to grow like jack's beanstalk higher than the eye can see. Sad!

[monosylab1k]

Those rankings are laughable... and Texas is #46. I'm assuming you agree with that too?

:lmao Mississippi at #6. Alabama higher on the list than Hawaii. What a fucking joke.

[clambake]

Or premium unleaded.

someone shares my octane concerns.

[Spurtacular]

Are you asking me how high speed rail is coming along in Texas?

I will tell you if that's what you are asking.

Sure, tell us that.

[Pavlov]

Sure, tell us that.It's not.

[RandomGuy]

It displays carcinogenic qualities at 10,000x established levels. Give it a break. :rolleyes

True that. The levels in coffee of this chemical are vanishingly small.

The bar for the warning is "any" at all, is dumb.

Any good evidence-based policy would consider that. Hopefully they will get it fixed.

[RandomGuy]

Meanwhile Kansas seeded by trickle down tax cuts is continuing to grow like jack's beanstalk higher than the eye can see. Sad!

Don't forget Oklahoma too. It's getting close to getting its credit downgraded, if memory serves.

[pgardn]

Meanwhile

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/quality-of-life

Dead last


They have N. Dakota at #1 and Mississippi at # 8. Social and environment. Minot N. Dakota in the winter... And I guess you gotta like the trees and bogs in Mississippi. I think this is slightly slanted towards the least populated states that have a few nice towns with some wilderness at certain times of the year.

If you just like getting lost, wandering about, and then finding civilization, that list works.

[spurraider21]

don't come to cali if you have no coin.
yeah... can be crazy expensive to live in the bigger cities.

problem with LA is that there are way too many single family residences for a city with a population where it makes more sense to have more apartments/condominiums. and yes, there has been research suggesting that CA's over-restrictive building laws have suppressed the city's home supply

CA is ranked 49/50 in home supply

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/mar/21/gavin-newsom/true-california-ranks-49th-capita-housing-supply/

[Chris]

"Progressive" :lmao

[Chucho]

California politics are god-awful.

"Protect the illegals because the fruit needs to be picked."

"Illegal tax increases to fix infrastructure because we need to makeup for all the money we steal."

"Let's show Nestle how it's done on fucking people with the water supply!"

"Let's give ourselves 2-7% raises because we aren't going to let the citizens vote on what we pay ourselves"

This state is just a lousy hell hole with Leftists thieves trying to out theive the Conservatives they use as their boogeymen to their base of followers.

[RandomGuy]

California politics are god-awful.

"Protect the illegals because the fruit needs to be picked."

"Illegal tax increases to fix infrastructure because we need to makeup for all the money we steal."

"Let's show Nestle how it's done on fucking people with the water supply!"

"Let's give ourselves 2-7% raises because we aren't going to let the citizens vote on what we pay ourselves"

This state is just a lousy hell hole with Leftists thieves trying to out theive the Conservatives they use as their boogeymen to their base of followers.

Except now California can pay its debts. Unlike, say Kansas, or Oklahoma.

Policies based on conservative "ideas" fail miserably when applied to states. Feel free to pick a nice red state and see how that works out for you.

[Chucho]

Except now California can pay its debts. Unlike, say Kansas, or Oklahoma.

Policies based on conservative "ideas" fail miserably when applied to states. Feel free to pick a nice red state and see how that works out for you.


LOL, so they can pay debts excuses the felonious behavior of the Government so long as they're blue? Got it.

Huge homeless issue.
One of the largest wealth gaps in the nation.
Major crime, with 5 of the top ten cities nationwide within 10 hours of each other.
Massive Meth epidemic larger than the heroin epidemic back East
5 of the 10 most uneducated cities in the country.
Major water issues created by the Government at the expense of the agriculture heartland

But...it's a "success" because they can finally start paying their debt for the first time in near a decade with a TOP TEN GLOBAL GDP, and they are the most in-debt state. Funny how being fiscally responsible, "preferred" employers had to help this shit state pay down it's unemployment bill for having dulled out the least in unemployment benefits.

[Chucho]

250k jobs sent over state borders because of their unfounded, ridiculous minimum wage increases. Not lost jobs or closed businesses, but 25k businesses with no less than 10, and no more than 100 employees relocating to NV, AZ, ID and NM because California doesn't want small businesses to succeed whatsoever and it's biting them in the ass.

[Chris]

"Go to a red state and suffer." - RG

"Go to a blue state and get shot." -C

[Chucho]

"Go to a red state and suffer." - RG

"Go to a blue state and get shot." -C

Moreover to his "red state policies are failing" nonsense, 13 of the 15 most fiscally struggling states are...*GASP*...blue states.

[RandomGuy]

LOL, so they can pay debts excuses the felonious behavior of the Government so long as they're blue? Got it.

Huge homeless issue.
One of the largest wealth gaps in the nation.
Major crime, with 5 of the top ten cities nationwide within 10 hours of each other.
Massive Meth epidemic larger than the heroin epidemic back East
5 of the 10 most uneducated cities in the country.
Major water issues created by the Government at the expense of the agriculture heartland

But...it's a "success" because they can finally start paying their debt for the first time in near a decade with a TOP TEN GLOBAL GDP, and they are the most in-debt state. Funny how being fiscally responsible, "preferred" employers had to help this shit state pay down it's unemployment bill for having dulled out the least in unemployment benefits.

All pretty valid problems true.

Harder to address with a spiraling debt crisis tho'. Ask Puerto Rico about that one.

Not going to sugar-coat or deny California's problems. They got one fucked up thing fixed. On to the next.

[RandomGuy]

Moreover to his "red state policies are failing" nonsense, 13 of the 15 most fiscally struggling states are...*GASP*...blue states.

(shrugs)

Sure. Data?

Before we go on though:

ANY state with one party rule is fucked up IMO. Red/blue matter less than the ability to provide negative feedback at the ballot box. True in California, true in Texas.

[Chucho]

All pretty valid problems true.

Harder to address with a spiraling debt crisis tho'. Ask Puerto Rico about that one.

Not going to sugar-coat or deny California's problems. They got one fucked up thing fixed. On to the next.

I dunno, brother. A $1.6 trillion deficit after announcing the books were balanced isn't "fixed" and is a gut shot. Just so ya know, I voted Moonbeam his first term when I got here.

[RandomGuy]

I dunno, brother. A $1.6 trillion deficit after announcing the books were balanced isn't "fixed" and is a gut shot. Just so ya know, I voted Moonbeam his first term when I got here.

Um... deficit or total debt? California isn't running a 1.6T deficit, that is the federal govt.

[Chucho]

Um... deficit or total debt? California isn't running a 1.6T deficit, that is the federal govt.


LOL, my bad. $1.6 Billion

[Chris]

Moral of the story: stay the fuck out of California and other blue states if you value quality of life and enjoy your Constitutional rights.

[Blake]

Moral of the story: stay the fuck out of California and other blue states if you value quality of life and enjoy your Constitutional rights.

:lol that's funny

[spurraider21]

pension plans have been fucking california in the ass and continue to be a huge albatross

[TeyshaBlue]

pension plans have been fucking california in the ass and continue to be a huge albatross
And not just Cali. :(

[AaronY]

:lmao Mississippi at #6. Alabama higher on the list than Hawaii. What a fucking joke.
lmao didnt event notice that. what non MAGA retard would choose living in Mississippi over Hawaii

:lmao :lmao

[Chris]

Hawaii is one tsunami away from being a patch of sand and a coconut tree. :lol Good luck being able to afford living there and finding a job unless you're a native.

[AaronY]

Hawaii is one tsunami away from being a patch of sand and a coconut tree. :lol Good luck being able to afford living there and finding a job unless you're a native.
I'd rather be homeless in Hawaii than have a $35k a year job and home in Mississippi tbh.

[AaronY]

lol Mississippi. C'mon Chris you wouldnt even live there and you know it

[Chris]

I can't speak for Mississippi because I don't know much about the state tbh therefore I cant condemn it.

[AaronY]

I can't speak for Mississippi because I don't know much about the state tbh therefore I cant condemn it.
bullshit they couldnt pay you to live there. it has one thing going for it in your eyes its red. Knowing you though you'd probably live on a bubbling volcano island if it was red over even a generic blue state like Oregon or Washington but you would not pick mississippi if the choice was other red states

[boutons_deux]

pension plans have been fucking california in the ass and continue to be a huge albatross

private and govt pensions for 10Ms of people have or will be proven to be a huge scam, with the pension providers having already and will be violating the pension contracts, terms without penalty.

now if a Human-American violated a contract, watch the law come down on him like a ton of bricks, up to and beyond death (college loans).

[boutons_deux]

pension plans have been fucking california in the ass and continue to be a huge albatross

private and govt pensions for 10Ms of people have or will be proven to be a huge scam, with the pension providers having already and will be violating the pension contracts, terms without penalty.

now if a Human-American violated a contract, watch the law come down on him like a ton of bricks, up to and beyond death (college loans).

[RandomGuy]

I'd rather be homeless in Hawaii than have a $35k a year job and home in Mississippi tbh.

This.

[RandomGuy]

I can't speak for Mississippi because I don't know much about the state tbh therefore I cant condemn it.

Not knowing shit never stopped you before. :lol

[RandomGuy]

LOL, my bad. $1.6 Billion

1.6Bn with a good chunk put in a reserve fund. State's balance sheet better off.

California is doing exactly what it should when economic times are good. Hopefully it keeps it up, because budget shortfalls make everything else worse, as the state has discovered.

[RandomGuy]

Moreover to his "red state policies are failing" nonsense, 13 of the 15 most fiscally struggling states are...*GASP*...blue states.

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2018/04/29103854_830284927157440_5631629795042263040_n.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Moreover to his "red state policies are failing" nonsense, 13 of the 15 most fiscally struggling states are...*GASP*...blue states.

Inside a Private Prison: Blood, Suicide and Poorly Paid Guards
JACKSON, Miss. — On the witness stand and under pressure, Frank Shaw, the warden of the East Mississippi Correctional Facility, could not guarantee that the prison was capable of performing its most basic function.

Asked if the guards were supposed to keep inmates in their cells, he said, wearily, “They do their best.”

According to evidence and testimony at a federal civil rights trial, far worse things were happening at the prison than inmates strolling around during a lockdown: A mentally ill man on suicide watch hanged himself, gang members were allowed to beat other prisoners, and those whose cries for medical attention were ignored resorted to setting fires in their cells.

So many shackled men have recounted instances of extraordinary violence and neglect in the prison that the judge has complained of exhaustion.

The case, which has received little attention beyond the local news media, provides a rare glimpse into the cloistered world of privately operated prisons, at a time when the number of state inmates in private facilities is increasing and the Trump administration has indicated that it will expand their use.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/03/us/mississippi-private-prison-abuse.html

Red states that have led in privatized prisons have become inhuman shitholes.

[rmt]

I'd rather be homeless in Hawaii than have a $35k a year job and home in Mississippi tbh.

If you mean a home that's free and clear, give me Mississippi. I will alway choose having a home/job, and I could live on $35k a year if I don't have to pay mortgage. My long-time tenants retired and went to Alabama (they are Cubans) - said CHEAP cost of living (they had a log cabin built) and no $2k+ Miami rent.

[Chucho]

If you mean a home that's free and clear, give me Mississippi. I will alway choose having a home/job, and I could live on $35k a year if I don't have to pay mortgage. My long-time tenants retired and went to Alabama (they are Cubans) - said CHEAP cost of living (they had a log cabin built) and no $2k+ Miami rent.


I want to guess that was hyperbole, but if you'd rather be broke than working class, you are using ridiculous hyperbole or might be retarded. Being a bum is still being a bum, the vast majority of the homed treat the homeless like garbage. That doesn't change because of pretty beaches, it's probably harder being homeless in Hawaii than anywhere in the country as it's so damn expensive there.

[Chucho]

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2018/04/29103854_830284927157440_5631629795042263040_n.jpg


https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/fr2017-rank_list.jpg

[Chucho]

5 of the 17 "below average" and "bottom five" states for fiscal condition are red states.

You consider Florida flipped Red for the last election, as did Ohio and only 2 of the top 20 fiscally responsible states are blue.

[Chucho]

Sorry, three blue states in the top 20. Such a winning team they are.

[rmt]

IMO, Florida is doing a good job. Education wise - Scott signed into law school choice everywhere in the state (even across county lines) and full Bright Futures tuition (covers state university for 4 years). Property homestead assessment is capped at 3%. State tax at 6% (except for these foolish Miami Dade County politicians with their extra 1% for MetroRail going nowhere and (public) Jackson Memorial Hospital) and an excellent job with Hurricane Irma (sans that nursing home where seniors died but I think that some law's been passed to help with nursing homes/generators). And on the ballot - no new tax without 2/3 legislature approval - this should easily pass. Our state pension plan is not in bad shape 84% funded - #7.

And yes, the good financial situation will probably continue in part for NOT expanding Obamacare Medicaid. I wonder how many of those states on that list is in/going to be in trouble because of that law - states started paying 5% in 2017 increasing to 10% in 2020.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/fr2017-rank_list.jpg

Shocking. States with small populations that are benefitting from the fracking boom are doing well. :lol

Not really the "look at how gooder the red policies" are slam dunk you think it is.

[boutons_deux]

Cucho, Chris, TSA, etc are all pretty stupid, ignorant fucks. bitch slapping them is so it's easy it's no fun

[boutons_deux]

Here's another tactic in Trash/Sessions/Repugs executing political vendettas on CA


ICE arrests farmworkers, sparking fears in the Central Valley over immigrants and the economy


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-farmworkers-ice-20180316-htmlstory.html#nws=mcnewsletter

Any such huge ICE sweeps in Confederate / red states?

[RandomGuy]

https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

Good rankings criteria IMO.

They outline the problem of unfunded pension liabilities rather well.


Top-performing states tend to exhibit fiscal discipline in the form of having high levels of cash, maintaining revenues that exceed expenses, and keeping debt levels low relative to resident income.

Kansas' tax cuts hurt it badly in this ranking.

The magical thinking around tax cuts will not help, and the showcase states like Oklahoma and Kansas are good examples.

Lastly, it suffers from the "noise" effect. You can simplify things too much, and the chart is a good example of something that is useful in considering fiscal position but bad at linking that to a party's specific policies.

[boutons_deux]

https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

Good rankings criteria IMO.

They outline the problem of unfunded pension liabilities rather well.



Kansas' tax cuts hurt it badly in this ranking.

The magical thinking around tax cuts will not help, and the showcase states like Oklahoma and Kansas are good examples.

Lastly, it suffers from the "noise" effect. You can simplify things too much, and the chart is a good example of something that is useful in considering fiscal position but bad at linking that to a party's specific policies.

KS and OK make the headlines, but Louisiana is also a financial shithole from Repug misgovernance.

[Chucho]

Shocking. States with small populations that are benefitting from the fracking boom are doing well. :lol

Not really the "look at how gooder the red policies" are slam dunk you think it is.


Never said it was. It does disprove your "red states are DOOMED" rhetoric you and fellow DoomsDayer Boots preach. The blue states are low performing, period. Bottom of the barrel low performing.

[Chucho]

Cucho, Chris, TSA, etc are all pretty stupid, ignorant fucks. bitch slapping them is so it's easy it's no fun


LOL, yeah, you're the voice of reason that everyone takes serious and so grounded to reality. :lmao

[sickdsm]

Lots of fracking done in South Dakota, RG?

[RandomGuy]

Never said it was. It does disprove your "red states are DOOMED" rhetoric you and fellow DoomsDayer Boots preach. The blue states are low performing, period. Bottom of the barrel low performing.

Didn't say red states are doomed, merely that Republican policy solutions are abject failures.

Your happy fun chart doesn't show "low performing" it shows a measure of fiscal discipline, which is vastly different than economic growth.

Kansas is probably one of the better examples of this, and the most clear. Republican policies such as trickle-down and private prisons have failed, miserably.

Republican policies such as private prisons are not only failures, but morally evil. Look up the "kids for cash" scandal (prison companies kickbacks for judges sentencing juveniles), and tell me we need to have a profit motive for prisons.

Republican "free market is the only solution, period" preferred policies, fail, time and time again.

[Chucho]

Didn't say red states are doomed, merely that Republican policy solutions are abject failures.

Your happy fun chart doesn't show "low performing" it shows a measure of fiscal discipline, which is vastly different than economic growth.

Kansas is probably one of the better examples of this, and the most clear. Republican policies such as trickle-down and private prisons have failed, miserably.

Republican policies such as private prisons are not only failures, but morally evil. Look up the "kids for cash" scandal (prison companies kickbacks for judges sentencing juveniles), and tell me we need to have a profit motive for prisons.

Republican "free market is the only solution, period" preferred policies, fail, time and time again.


My "happy fun" chart is what you link to for criteria. Either way, Liberal policy is tanking blue states into fiscal irresponsibility because they are failing miserably. Way to potatoe on this, fella.

[Chucho]

Stay in the two-man huddle with Boots and tell us how the world is ending today, tomorrow and 5 months from now because the big bad Red Boogeymen...

[rmt]

8 of the top 9 states (only #2 ND) did NOT do Obamacare Medicaid expansion. They will probably hold on to their top spots in the future as the Medicaid expansion states are going to feel increasingly more financial pain as their portion of Medicaid increases.

[RandomGuy]

Lots of fracking done in South Dakota, RG?

Most of it is in North Dakota. Why?

[RandomGuy]

My "happy fun" chart is what you link to for criteria. Either way, Liberal policy is tanking blue states into fiscal irresponsibility because they are failing miserably. Way to potatoe on this, fella.

Your chart merely addresses public finances, and it is always easier for smaller states to score better on such measures, as the authors themselves acknowledge. They tend to have shrinking populations, and lower pension liabilities.

As I stated a bit back, it is far too simplistic and limited to draw much of a conclusion on anything, especially not what you are trying to shoehorn into here. Easy enough to walk you through why that is, if you can drop your "gotta be smarter then RG" stick for a little bit.

What "liberal policy" is the most important in your opinion for determining the rank of any given blue state. Go.

[RandomGuy]

8 of the top 9 states (only #2 ND) did NOT do Obamacare Medicaid expansion. They will probably hold on to their top spots in the future as the Medicaid expansion states are going to feel increasingly more financial pain as their portion of Medicaid increases.

While material, the expansion will not be as important as unfunded liabilities such as pensions, for a simple accounting reason: the pension liabilities don't show up on the books.

Medicaid has to be paid for as you go, and will be front and center of any budget debate.

[Chucho]

Your chart merely addresses public finances, and it is always easier for smaller states to score better on such measures, as the authors themselves acknowledge. They tend to have shrinking populations, and lower pension liabilities.

As I stated a bit back, it is far too simplistic and limited to draw much of a conclusion on anything, especially not what you are trying to shoehorn into here. Easy enough to walk you through why that is, if you can drop your "gotta be smarter then RG" stick for a little bit.

What "liberal policy" is the most important in your opinion for determining the rank of any given blue state. Go.


LOL, ego strokes. No one is intimidated by your intelligence. Intelligent people don't downward spiral into Boutons Deuce and spend months chicken little-ing over everything the opposition does.

The chart shows a very huge gap between fiscal responsibility that heavily favors red states. That's it, that's all. It's ok fella, the sky isn't falling and, at worst, you should only have to live through this for 3 more years and never again...according to your data.

[monosylab1k]

https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/fr2017-rank_list.jpg

https://www.mercatus.org/board

I was absolutely SHOCKED to see who is on the board of directors.
HINT: scroll down to the K’s

[ElNono]

This one at least is sourced, tbh...

https://www.multistate.us/blog/twenty-five-states-face-revenue-shortfalls-in-2018

[Aztecfan03]

https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/fr2017-rank_list.jpg

https://www.mercatus.org/board

I was absolutely SHOCKED to see who is on the board of directors.
HINT: scroll down to the K’s

And you guys always talk about Soros and Hillary being Boogeymen to the right...

[Chris]

982057876087889921

[ElNono]

rich bad now... why does Tucker hates America?

[monosylab1k]

And you guys always talk about Soros and Hillary being Boogeymen to the right...

:lmao because believing Soros pays for crisis actors and executes false flag operations is the exact same thing as seeing Koch’s name on a conservatively skewed financial report. You’re a fucking retard.

[Chucho]

rich bad now... why does Tucker hates America?

To be fair, he's 100% right in that tweet. This place is leaking like generic diapers in a cheap retirement home.

The class gap is massive and the super elite are super elite because they don't employ many people here. The state has lost a minimum of 250k jobs in just a few years because businesses are abandoning this place to do business in states with reasonable wages. We've already shifted 85% of our labor from our Salida office to our Boise office and our margins are up 15% just by that move.

Blue team cheerleaders like RG who aren't here in the thick of things will cite "data" to the standing of this place, but I'm in the thick of it. Attending the CoC and NFIB meetings every month would make anyone who owns a small business sick and depressed. It's becoming almost impossible to run a profitable small business here if you want to employ actual California residents and provide jobs to the community.

And there's a whole lot of people who are desperate to leave this place but when you're a slave to the economic doom the state has placed on you, it's not as simple as "just leave".

California rich people who don't employ people bad, the struggling smb owners trying to employ are getting smart and moving to places where the state will let them employ people without killing their opportunities to actually turn profits for all the risk they take opening a biz.

[spurraider21]

To be fair, he's 100% right in that tweet. This place is leaking like generic diapers in a cheap retirement home.

The class gap is massive and the super elite are super elite because they don't employ many people here. The state has lost a minimum of 250k jobs in just a few years because businesses are abandoning this place to do business in states with reasonable wages. We've already shifted 85% of our labor from our Salida office to our Boise office and our margins are up 15% just by that move.

Blue team cheerleaders like RG who aren't here in the thick of things will cite "data" to the standing of this place, but I'm in the thick of it. Attending the CoC and NFIB meetings every month would make anyone who owns a small business sick and depressed. It's becoming almost impossible to run a profitable small business here if you want to employ actual California residents and provide jobs to the community.

And there's a whole lot of people who are desperate to leave this place but when you're a slave to the economic doom the state has placed on you, it's not as simple as "just leave".

California rich people who don't employ people bad, the struggling smb owners trying to employ are getting smart and moving to places where the state will let them employ people without killing their opportunities to actually turn profits for all the risk they take opening a biz.
there's a lot of truth here. it's pretty tough to do well in Cali (at least in the big cities) unless you have some professional license in a field that pays well. having a 4 year degree is next to useless if its not in engineering or computer science. i will say, though, CA does have a great public university system which gives people all over the state access to that eventual earning ability (after falling into student loan debt). and the income disparity is huge, and attempting to fix that simply by hiking minimum wages is hurting business owners

[Chucho]

there's a lot of truth here. it's pretty tough to do well in Cali (at least in the big cities) unless you have some professional license in a field that pays well. having a 4 year degree is next to useless if its not in engineering or computer science. i will say, though, CA does have a great public university system which gives people all over the state access to that eventual earning ability (after falling into student loan debt). and the income disparity is huge, and attempting to fix that simply by hiking minimum wages is hurting business owners

The rhetoric from Sacramento of "we don't know how this will work because it's never been done before" when it was first rolled out was very frightening as that statement shows a lack of real planning and forecasting for something so drastic and it isn't panning out well.

Also worrisome is the real estate market not only gained back all it's losses so quickly but is how much the bubble has grown in just 4 years. Rents are soaring here in the poorest parts of California and with the shrinking jobs market, there's going to be a bad real estate flop coming soon while renters and 1st time buyers are being priced out.

[Chris]

rich bad now... why does Tucker hates America?

He debates a lot of people/politicians from California on his show. To imply he hates America is absurd when it is quite the opposite.

[spurraider21]

The rhetoric from Sacramento of "we don't know how this will work because it's never been done before" when it was first rolled out was very frightening as that statement shows a lack of real planning and forecasting for something so drastic and it isn't panning out well.

Also worrisome is the real estate market not only gained back all it's losses so quickly but is how much the bubble has grown in just 4 years. Rents are soaring here in the poorest parts of California and with the shrinking jobs market, there's going to be a bad real estate flop coming soon while renters and 1st time buyers are being priced out.
i'm not opposed to min wage increases, and they should be permanently indexed to inflation imo, but having a national, or even state-wide minimum wage hike is kinda silly. should be on a more regional basis. a minimum wage of $10.50 might make sense in LA, but you'd be driving people out of business in mendocino county

and rent is fucking absurd in los angeles. i can only imagine its worse in the bay.

[Chucho]

i'm not opposed to min wage increases, and they should be permanently indexed to inflation imo, but having a national, or even state-wide minimum wage hike is kinda silly. should be on a more regional basis. a minimum wage of $10.50 might make sense in LA, but you'd be driving people out of business in mendocino county

and rent is fucking absurd in los angeles. i can only imagine its worse in the bay.


Even in the complete shits here in the Central Valley, areas infested with meth addicts and gangsters, shitty 1-2 bedroom apartments/slums are up to $1000+. A major trend is people renting rooms out and rooms go anywhere from $500-$800 depending on all the usual variables. People in the Bay are renting their garages, unfinished in a lot of cases, for almost a grand.

It's crazy and if I were still in the minimum wage pool, I'd be scared shitless. I'm comfortable but still stressed about this place and have eliminated any possibility of hanging my hat here for the rest of my life and looking forward to moving to Idaho sooner than later.

[spurraider21]

Even in the complete shits here in the Central Valley, areas infested with meth addicts and gangsters, shitty 1-2 bedroom apartments/slums are up to $1000+. A major trend is people renting rooms out and rooms go anywhere from $500-$800 depending on all the usual variables. People in the Bay are renting their garages, unfinished in a lot of cases, for almost a grand.

It's crazy and if I were still in the minimum wage pool, I'd be scared shitless. I'm comfortable but still stressed about this place and have eliminated any possibility of hanging my hat here for the rest of my life and looking forward to moving to Idaho sooner than later.
funny you mention that. my in laws are renting out 4 rooms of their house to CSUN students for 650 a pop. all they get is 1 bedroom each and they all share 1 bathroom :lmao

they're planning on getting permits to redo their garage into a residence, too, once they are able to refi

[baseline bum]

funny you mention that. my in laws are renting out 4 rooms of their house to CSUN students for 650 a pop. all they get is 1 bedroom each and they all share 1 bathroom :lmao

they're planning on getting permits to redo their garage into a residence, too, once they are able to refi

They should install cameras by the toilet too

[spurraider21]

They should install cameras by the toilet too
:lol

[ElNono]

He debates a lot of people/politicians from California on his show. To imply he hates America is absurd when it is quite the opposite.

class warfare!

[Chris]

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[rmt]

And what happens to the senators - they get 6 of them?

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

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“Near record-setting heat from our changing climate has resulted in dangerous levels of ozone in many cities across the country, making ozone an urgent health threat for millions of Americans,” Lung Association President and CEO Harold P. Wimmer (http://www.lung.org/about-us/our-leadership/harold-wimmer.html) said.

Smog forms on warm, sunny days and is made worse from chemicals that exit vehicle tailpipes and from power plant and industrial smokestacks. Warmer temperatures make ozone more likely to form.

"This adds to the evidence that a changing climate makes it harder to reduce ozone pollution and protect human health," Alexander said

[Chris]

Climate change? :lmao:lmao:lmao

[spurraider21]

Climate change? :lmao:lmao:lmao
its from your own article, chris :lol

[clambake]

its from your own article, chris :lol

lol

[Chris]

its from your own article, chris :lol

I'm aware of that dummy :lol just find it hilarious that you honed right in on it and quoted it because of the climate change thread.

[spurraider21]

I'm aware of that dummy :lol just find it hilarious that you honed right in on it and quoted it because of the climate change thread.
i honed right in on it because it's a pretty significant aspect of the article you posted.

the article is specifically focused on ozone pollution, not CO2 emissions. as warmer temperatures make it more likely to form, that's kind of a big deal.

[Spurminator]

California faced a $27-billion deficit when Brown took office and unemployment was 12.2%, topping 25% in some rural areas. More than 1.3 million jobs were lost in the recession, as the housing and construction industries tanked during the worst economic downturn in 50-plus years.

Today, California is running a $6-billion surplus, thanks in part to two voter-approved tax hikes, and the most recent report put the state unemployment rate at 4.3%, an all-time low. Nearly 3 million jobs have been created since the economy bottomed out, a recovery that has outpaced the rest of the country.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-election-voters-20180419-htmlstory.html

Thoughts from the natives?

[clambake]

yeah, we like it.

[spurraider21]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-election-voters-20180419-htmlstory.html

Thoughts from the natives?
The cost of living is the main way issue here imho. Not sure how much of that can really be pinned down on gov Brown as those issues have predated him. The tax hikes under his watch haven’t made that aspect better but they’re hardly the cause.

As far as brown himself, my main issue with him has been the way he has gotten some of his hikes through. Back in 2012 for one of the props to raise income taxes, the pitch was that if we don’t pass it, he’s going to be forced to cut the UC budget, and made assurances that if passed, there would be a freeze on tuition hikes. The measure was also billed as temporary during a time of need.

A - holding University funding hostage is a dickhole play. Basically urging a lot of people in their 20’s to go vote for a taxes they’d never feel.

B - UC tuitions went up anyway

c - those hikes were made permanent in a later prop

we also increased our sales tax in a measure to bolster to metro system. I don’t know of any noticeable change in that aspect. Maybe just my area

[boutons_deux]

More California hilarity for you TX and bankrupt red state bubbas, shitkickers, cosplay cowboys

With recession in the rear view, a more upbeat California looks to choose a new governor

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-election-voters-20180419-htmlstory.html

[TeyshaBlue]

Welcome to 3 posts later.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Welcome to 3 posts later.

1 post later and CA liberal fiscal policy is still beating the pants off of anything fiscal conservatives have going. But hey let's try to grandstand on an extreme social liberal anecdote to miss the forest for a tree.

[DMC]

More California hilarity for you TX and bankrupt red state bubbas, shitkickers, cosplay cowboys

With recession in the rear view, a more upbeat California looks to choose a new governor

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-election-voters-20180419-htmlstory.html

You really are a fucking idiot, I'd bet you drool at the keyboard.

[DMC]

1 post later and CA liberal fiscal policy is still beating the pants off of anything fiscal conservatives have going. But hey let's try to grandstand on an extreme social liberal anecdote to miss the forest for a tree.

Move to California.

Wait, you cannot. No one gave you a house there.

[TeyshaBlue]

1 post later and CA liberal fiscal policy is still beating the pants off of anything fiscal conservatives have going. But hey let's try to grandstand on an extreme social liberal anecdote to miss the forest for a tree.

Grandstanding! :lmao

[TeyshaBlue]

List all of the many grandstanding points I made after the inanity of the coffee issue.

Go ahead. I've got time.

[koriwhat]

california's smog is just all the hot air escaping out the ears of all those far left losers out in that shit hole.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

List all of the many grandstanding points I made after the inanity of the coffee issue.

Go ahead. I've got time.

I said let's try. You had a flurry of posts on page 1 and then whimpers.

I see you not wanting to address my central point to fixate on a characterization though.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Move to California.

Wait, you cannot. No one gave you a house there.

I'm working to change here. When that happens you can go to Arkansas or Alabama, chubrock.

[DMC]

I'm working to change here. When that happens you can go to Arkansas or Alabama, chubrock.

Fuzznuts, changing the world one post at a time.

[TeyshaBlue]

I said let's try. You had a flurry of posts on page 1 and then whimpers.

I see you not wanting to address my central point to fixate on a characterization though.

Well, since it was my OP, I chose to address that. Sorry it didn't meet with your approval.
I don't disagree with your tangental point however.
Flurry is pretty funny.

[AaronY]

The cost of living is the main way issue here imho. Not sure how much of that can really be pinned down on gov Brown as those issues have predated him. The tax hikes under his watch haven’t made that aspect better but they’re hardly the cause.

As far as brown himself, my main issue with him has been the way he has gotten some of his hikes through. Back in 2012 for one of the props to raise income taxes, the pitch was that if we don’t pass it, he’s going to be forced to cut the UC budget, and made assurances that if passed, there would be a freeze on tuition hikes. The measure was also billed as temporary during a time of need.

A - holding University funding hostage is a dickhole play. Basically urging a lot of people in their 20’s to go vote for a taxes they’d never feel.

B - UC tuitions went up anyway

c - those hikes were made permanent in a later prop

we also increased our sales tax in a measure to bolster to metro system. I don’t know of any noticeable change in that aspect. Maybe just my area
Need to build more affordable housing but the NIMBY types oppose it tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzznuts, changing the world one post at a time.

Your logic is as bad as ever. Nice non sequitur.

You had better hope that SCOTUS doesn't force Abbot to remap the congressional districts here, chubrock.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Need to build more affordable housing but the NIMBY types oppose it tbh

It's best to decentralize it and put smaller units all over the place. NIMBY types end up with huge projects which quickly become slums.

[DMC]

Your logic is as bad as ever. Nice non sequitur.

You had better hope that SCOTUS doesn't force Abbot to remap the congressional districts here, chubrock.

You'd better hope you never have to make it on your own.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You'd better hope you never have to make it on your own.

Oh cool. More Storytime with Chubrock.

In reality the redistricting case looks like it could have serious implications for your preferred political party. Making up stories about me changes that not one whit, fattie.

California and Kansas show the lie of your fiscal ideology as well.

[Chucho]

Need to build more affordable housing but the NIMBY types oppose it tbh

They are trying here in the Central Valley where everyone is being hit the hardest. We are sooooo far off the scale as far "true cost of living in California" as far as the middle and lower classes being able to afford this place.

A couple of complexes have popped up the last few years in places where "affordable housing" generally gets placed and rent is still extremely high, up to $1,200.00 a month for 1 and 2 bedrooms in places only blocks away from straight thuggery.

The pro-Brown, pro-Left echo chamber calls it gentrification, but not even whites can afford to live there and if they could, they'd find somewhere better.

Glad the state has a surplus, glad the economy is doing fine. Now, let's get to the real issues here instead of talking about how great the state's "Data" looks when 90% of the state population is hurting.

[DMC]

Oh cool. More Storytime with Chubrock.

In reality the redistricting case looks like it could have serious implications for your preferred political party. Making up stories about me changes that not one whit, fattie.

California and Kansas show the lie of your fiscal ideology as well.

I voted for Obama twice. Didn't vote in the most recent election.

:lol "making up stories"
:lol "your preferred political party"
:lol thinking I'm Chucho

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I voted for Obama twice. Didn't vote in the most recent election.

:lol "making up stories"
:lol "your preferred political party"
:lol thinking I'm Chucho

I don't believe you. Fact is you defend and have defended the GOP reflexively and consistently.

[Chucho]

LOL. I'm not DMC.

Im actually a Boots alt.

[Chris]

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Safe spaces for heroin users are a go though :tu

[spurraider21]

996896871057711104

Safe spaces for heroin users are a go though :tu
smh activist judges

[Chris]

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[RandomGuy]

They are trying here in the Central Valley where everyone is being hit the hardest. We are sooooo far off the scale as far "true cost of living in California" as far as the middle and lower classes being able to afford this place.

A couple of complexes have popped up the last few years in places where "affordable housing" generally gets placed and rent is still extremely high, up to $1,200.00 a month for 1 and 2 bedrooms in places only blocks away from straight thuggery.

The pro-Brown, pro-Left echo chamber calls it gentrification, but not even whites can afford to live there and if they could, they'd find somewhere better.

Glad the state has a surplus, glad the economy is doing fine. Now, let's get to the real issues here instead of talking about how great the state's "Data" looks when 90% of the state population is hurting.

That is the way the free market works. Isn't it great to maximize your income from your investments?

Hope you don't have a problem with that.

[RandomGuy]

996896871057711104

Safe spaces for heroin users are a go though :tu

I love having my tax money used to save money.

You seem to be pushing for higher taxes here. Is that correct?

[Chucho]

That is the way the free market works. Isn't it great to maximize your income from your investments?

Hope you don't have a problem with that.
Glad you're cool with class gaps and other people hurting while the ultra elite and state politicians and coffers get fatter and fatter. Det GDP and surplus, tho. Sounds Trumponian.

[RandomGuy]

Glad you're cool with class gaps and other people hurting while the ultra elite and state politicians and coffers get fatter and fatter. Det GDP and surplus, tho. Sounds Trumponian.

Sorry, probably should have put blue on my post. It was sarcasm.

I was merely pointing out that free markets don't always have net positive effects on overall well-being of societies. Many on the right worship "free-markets" like some infallible god that only does good, while ignoring things like monopolies.

For the record: No I am not cool with that.


Because the owners, the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions.

Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want:

They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests.

Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!

[Chris]

Welcome to California!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DetlgMRUwAANfuq.jpg:large

[dabom]

Welcome to California!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DetlgMRUwAANfuq.jpg:large


Thanks orange shit. :lmao

[Chris]

Thanks Jerry Brown and Nancy Pelosi! :lmao

fify

[dabom]

Not really. :lol

[spurraider21]

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[Chris]

Not really. :lol

You're right, I forgot Maxine Waters.

[Spurminator]

Welcome to California!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DetlgMRUwAANfuq.jpg:large

Hard to imagine anyone with his own internet access being this stupid, tbh.

[Chris]

Hard to imagine anyone with his own internet access being this stupid, tbh.

Poor fella took an L the other day and has been triggered every since. ^

[ElNono]

Hard to imagine anyone with his own internet access being this stupid, tbh.

some people manage, tbh

[Chris]

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"The man who first filmed the video, Matt Nelson, is a self-described ‘community organizer’. Nelson is the Managing Director of a left-wing organization called Presente.org, which has expressed a goal of granting legal status to every single illegal immigrant in the United States."

[Pavlov]

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"The man who first filmed the video, Matt Nelson, is a self-described ‘community organizer’. Nelson is the Managing Director of a left-wing organization called Presente.org, which has expressed a goal of granting legal status to every single illegal immigrant in the United States."lol "cleaning up"

Dude was throwing the homeless guys stuff into the lake before he realized he was being recorded.

[spurraider21]

:lol game show host twitter takes

[dabom]

lol "cleaning up"

Dude was throwing the homeless guys stuff into the lake before he realized he was being recorded.

:lol

[Pavlov]

I'm sorry, on further investigation i see the dude was throwing the homeless guys stuff into the Crystal Level before he realized he was being recorded.

[Chris]

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Makes sense. Flood the state with illegals so your electoral vote increases. Give the illegals driver's licenses so they can vote. Tell the citizens they are racist if they don't comply.

[Chris]

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Shithole

[Chucho]

^^^ The Bay area used to bus their homeless into Modesto, the only city that didn't (showing there is a little bit of a heart beating in the land of the disingenuous, smug cesspool) was Oakland. Oakland is an absolutely atrocious city and crime is overly rampant.

With Modesto putting their foot down and refusing the Bay's trash, crime has gone down slightly in the Central Valley and we are seeing East Bay rotting away in the areas not named China town. Coincidence?

[rmt]

^^^ The Bay area used to bus their homeless into Modesto, the only city that didn't (showing there is a little bit of a heart beating in the land of the disingenuous, smug cesspool) was Oakland. Oakland is an absolutely atrocious city and crime is overly rampant.

With Modesto putting their foot down and refusing the Bay's trash, crime has gone down slightly in the Central Valley and we are seeing East Bay rotting away in the areas not named China town. Coincidence?

Why doesn't Chinatown rot away?

[Chucho]

Why doesn't Chinatown rot away?

If you're not Chinese, you're not living there. Plain and simple. They've crime, but it's "their" crime, they're not going to allow someone to push their trash on them. \

And good to Modesto for putting their foot down and not allowing the elite parts of California to treat them like second class citizens. Now if the entire Central Valley could get the municipality of LA County and the Brown Syndicate out of our water supply, it'd be the same feeling as when Unions were able to get the mob out. That's how serious it is, except, ya know, the mob didn't make laws, they just roughed you up and killed ya.

[RandomGuy]

Oh cool. More Storytime with Chubrock.

In reality the redistricting case looks like it could have serious implications for your preferred political party. Making up stories about me changes that not one whit, fattie.

California and Kansas/Oklahoma show the lie of your fiscal ideology as well.

FIFY. red states tax structures and "small government" philosophy tends to lead to underinvestment in any measure that might lift people out of poverty. Pick any of them.

[rmt]

FIFY. red states tax structures and "small government" philosophy tends to lead to underinvestment in any measure that might lift people out of poverty. Pick any of them.

LOL at liberal thought that "big government" leads to investment/lifting people out of poverty.

[Chucho]

LOL at liberal thought that "big government" leads to investment/lifting people out of poverty.

Det surplus and det economy here has led to the highest poverty rate in the nation and the third highest homeless rate in the nation. But det surplus keeps on giving back to us...in the form of more and more taxation and we've absolutely no vote or word in it.

There's nothing special about California Liberalism except for how little attention is paid to how corrupt these scumbags are. Trump is no worse, he's just got a larger platform to fuck up.

[rmt]

Det surplus and det economy here has led to the highest poverty rate in the nation and the third highest homeless rate in the nation. But det surplus keeps on giving back to us...in the form of more and more taxation and we've absolutely no vote or word in it.

There's nothing special about California Liberalism except for how little attention is paid to how corrupt these scumbags are. Trump is no worse, he's just got a larger platform to fuck up.

You, singly or individually, might not have sway but why does the majority of CA taxpayers put up with this. Me, I vote with my feet. If I don't like something, I'm not hanging around - I'd move. My philosophy is that I'll handle my hard earned money better than any government - the less they have and the more I have the better - can't wait for that vote for no new taxes without 2/3 FL legislature approval in November.

You and I will just have to disagree on Trump - he's forever hurt his brand, name, and fortune by becoming president - he could be relaxing on some golf course sipping pina coladas instead of putting up with this rubbish.

[Chris]

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This is basically a compilation of news stories from or about California with a little commentary at the beginning and the end. Lots of facts and insight here.

[spurraider21]

1010910165111959559

Makes sense. Flood the state with illegals so your electoral vote increases. Give the illegals driver's licenses so they can vote. Tell the citizens they are racist if they don't comply.
wyoming gets as many senators as california. that's disenfranchisement right there

[RandomGuy]

LOL at liberal thought that "big government" leads to investment/lifting people out of poverty.

LOL at delusional beliefs about "free markets".

"big government" countries in Europe have a lot less income inequality. They do better than the US, with it's phony free markets, in every measure of human well being.

We don't have free markets in this country, despite what you seem to think, we have oligopolies, duopolies and monopolies, which are about as anti-free market as any communist state.

Our system is set up to benefit large corporations that earn rent profits from a LACK of competition, and government rules that re-enforce that.

[RandomGuy]

wyoming gets as many senators as california. that's disenfranchisement right there

Not really disenfranshisement exactly, just saying that some votes matter more than others. This effect is quantifiable, as is that of Trump party gerrymandering and voter suppression.

The right cheats, and admits as much when they think they aren't being recorded, and sometimes even when they are.

[RandomGuy]

Det surplus and det economy here has led to the highest poverty rate in the nation and the third highest homeless rate in the nation. But det surplus keeps on giving back to us...in the form of more and more taxation and we've absolutely no vote or word in it.

There's nothing special about California Liberalism except for how little attention is paid to how corrupt these scumbags are. Trump is no worse, he's just got a larger platform to fuck up.


high poverty rate in the supplemental report is driven by California’s stratospheric housing costs. He added that use of the supplemental measure has gained wide acceptance among researchers.

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/jan/20/chad-mayes/true-california-has-nations-highest-poverty-rate-w/

Plain stats, no commentary, FWIW:
http://www.ppic.org/publication/poverty-in-california/

A rather long economic paper:
https://inequality.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/eop.pdf


Although the evidence is not
always clear-cut, there is a growing consensus around
a two-pronged approach that combines opportunityequalizing
and wage-raising reform. This approach is
well-tested, yields returns in excess of the investments,
is consistent with our most fundamental commitments
about how labor markets should be set up, integrates
well with existing programming in California, and can
be delivered with a centralized or decentralized (e.g.,
Promise Neighborhood) approach.


Most of what is available points to housing prices keeping a lot of people poor, and a lack of utilization of social safety net programs. Hard to improve skills or get your kids a headstart if you can barely afford the rent. The solutions are there, it just takes some political will to address.

Heavy tax credits for lower income housing, strong training programs and yes, cash assistance for things like daycare, are what is needed.

Read the study.

[boutons_deux]

The Senate, dominated by low-population states, has become one of the FF's biggest Constitutional fuckups.

[Chucho]

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/jan/20/chad-mayes/true-california-has-nations-highest-poverty-rate-w/

Plain stats, no commentary, FWIW:
http://www.ppic.org/publication/poverty-in-california/

A rather long economic paper:
https://inequality.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/eop.pdf




Most of what is available points to housing prices keeping a lot of people poor, and a lack of utilization of social safety net programs. Hard to improve skills or get your kids a headstart if you can barely afford the rent. The solutions are there, it just takes some political will to address.

Heavy tax credits for lower income housing, strong training programs and yes, cash assistance for things like daycare, are what is needed.

Read the study.


You hit the nail on the head:
"The solutions are there, it just takes some political will to address."



My gripe is that the crooks in Sacto brag about these numbers and what is frustrating to the people here is that no one in that Capitol building are proposing any of this publicly, wont address any of the issues publicly and they show nothing to give the citizens any confidence that they care about them, yet taxes go up, all the time, with us having no say and everyone is seeing the place go to shits, quite literally.

I'm not even kidding about the Bay area homeless issue exploding at the same time that the state's trash cans stop allowing themselves to walked on and allowing the elite to bus their trash into the area and make it an abhorrent place to live because that was the best solution that area could muster. They've stopped doing it, their crime rate and homeless issue has become mainstream news and Modesto and the surround Valley area has seen a noticeable decline in crime. Coincidence? NO, direct correlation.


Again, I don't struggle, but I don't live as comfortably as I should be and I don't think any state should be exclusive to 1%ers the way this state has become. And all the meanwhile, we have the guys who keep getting richer and richer in Sac brag about their accomplishments while the state keeps eroding and the crook that's in charge, who keeps bragging about his numbers and accomplishments is more concerned with everything else except the people who elected him.

You can't feel the way we feel out here because you don't live here. I'm active in my community both personally and on a business level. Too many people feel this way in this state to ignore. The stats aren't favorable either. Our NFIB meeting a few months ago showed us what's happened- the state is untenable for small business as well. 250K jobs GONE. Not for the businesses, for the state. The jobs just went over state borders. We grew 15% just the last year by moving our jobs to Idaho and the societal issues are statistical proof to us:

(LONG DIATRIBE DELETED AS IT WAS RAMBLING)

Long story short, it'd really be nice if the guys in Sac would address the issues their citizens here face, that are getting worse with every passing day, instead of focusing on singing their own praises and thumbing their noses at the shit show in Washington DC while their house is a fucking mess and the tenants are fed up with it, specifically the ones that are marginalized, that are treated like their door mat because they aren't the Bay or SoCal. When the doormats and trashcans decide to stop being that, look what happens. San Francisco falling apart is because the others had enough of taking their trash and that comparison can hold true for the population of this state getting the shaft from those guys.

[boutons_deux]

LOL at liberal thought that "big government" leads to investment/lifting people out of poverty.

How the War on Poverty Succeeded (in Four Charts)

If you measure poverty properly, which is only now being done, you find that

the poverty rate has fallen pretty dramatically since the middle of the nineteen-sixties.

Indeed, according to an important new study (https://courseworks.columbia.edu/access/content/group/c5a1ef92-c03c-4d88-0018-ea43dd3cc5db/Working%20Papers%20for%20website/Anchored%20SPM.December7.pdf) by a group of economists at Columbia University,

it has dropped by forty per cent.

The main driver of this fall, in fact, has been the very type of anti-poverty programs that L.B.J. championed:

food stamps and

housing subsidies,

Social Security and

Medicare, and

generous income subsidies,

in the form of tax credits, for the low-paid.

these qualifications don’t detract from the basic conclusions of the study:

“Our estimates…show that historical trends in poverty have been more favorable—and that

government programs have played a larger role—than [previous] estimates suggest…

Government programs today are cutting poverty nearly in half (from 29% to 16%) while

in 1967 they only cut poverty by about one percentage point.”


The next time Paul Ryan (or any other Republican luminary) starts talking about poverty, and anti-poverty programs,

somebody should ask him if he knows what he is talking about.

The evidence suggests he doesn’t.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/how-the-war-on-poverty-succeeded-in-four-charts

Paul Ryan, Repugs, oligarchy want to destroy the above govt safety net to "pay for" the oligarchy's tax cut.

[boutons_deux]

How predatory lenders eat the poor



http://theweek.com/articles/782721/how-predatory-lenders-eat-poor

Can't make the rent?

get a payday loan and end up on the street

[RandomGuy]

You hit the nail on the head:
"The solutions are there, it just takes some political will to address."



My gripe is that the crooks in Sacto brag about these numbers and what is frustrating to the people here is that no one in that Capitol building are proposing any of this publicly, wont address any of the issues publicly and they show nothing to give the citizens any confidence that they care about them, yet taxes go up, all the time, with us having no say and everyone is seeing the place go to shits, quite literally.

I'm not even kidding about the Bay area homeless issue exploding at the same time that the state's trash cans stop allowing themselves to walked on and allowing the elite to bus their trash into the area and make it an abhorrent place to live because that was the best solution that area could muster. They've stopped doing it, their crime rate and homeless issue has become mainstream news and Modesto and the surround Valley area has seen a noticeable decline in crime. Coincidence? NO, direct correlation.


Again, I don't struggle, but I don't live as comfortably as I should be and I don't think any state should be exclusive to 1%ers the way this state has become. And all the meanwhile, we have the guys who keep getting richer and richer in Sac brag about their accomplishments while the state keeps eroding and the crook that's in charge, who keeps bragging about his numbers and accomplishments is more concerned with everything else except the people who elected him.

You can't feel the way we feel out here because you don't live here. I'm active in my community both personally and on a business level. Too many people feel this way in this state to ignore. The stats aren't favorable either. Our NFIB meeting a few months ago showed us what's happened- the state is untenable for small business as well. 250K jobs GONE. Not for the businesses, for the state. The jobs just went over state borders. We grew 15% just the last year by moving our jobs to Idaho and the societal issues are statistical proof to us:

(LONG DIATRIBE DELETED AS IT WAS RAMBLING)

Long story short, it'd really be nice if the guys in Sac would address the issues their citizens here face, that are getting worse with every passing day, instead of focusing on singing their own praises and thumbing their noses at the shit show in Washington DC while their house is a fucking mess and the tenants are fed up with it, specifically the ones that are marginalized, that are treated like their door mat because they aren't the Bay or SoCal. When the doormats and trashcans decide to stop being that, look what happens. San Francisco falling apart is because the others had enough of taking their trash and that comparison can hold true for the population of this state getting the shaft from those guys.

Again, thanks for your time. I do appreciate it, and I agree with a fair amount of it.

Kicking the can down the road is stupid, and short sighted. We need solutions, and preferably ones with the best chances of fixing things.

[Chucho]

Again, thanks for your time. I do appreciate it, and I agree with a fair amount of it.

Kicking the can down the road is stupid, and short sighted. We need solutions, and preferably ones with the best chances of fixing things.


I know I can be a tit per par with most posters here, but the last thing I ever want to be mistaken for is stupid when I'm passionate about things. I really do appreciate the civility and why you're one of the few I will afford the few posts I muster when being serious here.

[rmt]

How the War on Poverty Succeeded (in Four Charts)

If you measure poverty properly, which is only now being done, you find that

the poverty rate has fallen pretty dramatically since the middle of the nineteen-sixties.

Indeed, according to an important new study (https://courseworks.columbia.edu/access/content/group/c5a1ef92-c03c-4d88-0018-ea43dd3cc5db/Working%20Papers%20for%20website/Anchored%20SPM.December7.pdf) by a group of economists at Columbia University,

it has dropped by forty per cent.

The main driver of this fall, in fact, has been the very type of anti-poverty programs that L.B.J. championed:

food stamps and

housing subsidies,

Social Security and

Medicare, and

generous income subsidies,

in the form of tax credits, for the low-paid.

these qualifications don’t detract from the basic conclusions of the study:

“Our estimates…show that historical trends in poverty have been more favorable—and that

government programs have played a larger role—than [previous] estimates suggest…

Government programs today are cutting poverty nearly in half (from 29% to 16%) while

in 1967 they only cut poverty by about one percentage point.”


The next time Paul Ryan (or any other Republican luminary) starts talking about poverty, and anti-poverty programs,

somebody should ask him if he knows what he is talking about.

The evidence suggests he doesn’t.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/how-the-war-on-poverty-succeeded-in-four-charts

Paul Ryan, Repugs, oligarchy want to destroy the above govt safety net to "pay for" the oligarchy's tax cut.




Pick a side, bou. Either the sky is falling, the US is (in your terms) f****d/f******e and OLIGARCHY OR poverty rate has dropped by 40% and things aren't so bad. It can't be the worst of times in both cases.

[boutons_deux]

Pick a side, bou. Either the sky is falling, the US is (in your terms) f****d/f******e and OLIGARCHY OR poverty rate has dropped by 40% and things aren't so bad. It can't be the worst of times in both cases.

My side is clear. You People who say War on Poverty failed and therefore kill the safety net: not my side.

50M in or near poverty still has to be attacked, is a huge failure by America.

[Chris]

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[Chris]

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[Chris]

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He was a dreamer too.

[Chris]

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[Chris]

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^ holy shit!

[Chucho]

1019680429555834882


The California SCOTUS doing simple thinking for the idiots of this god-damned state. The central and northern divisions would take the agriculture with them and basically cripple the worthless cesspool that is SoCal.

[spurraider21]

The California SCOTUS doing simple thinking for the idiots of this god-damned state. The central and northern divisions would take the agriculture with them and basically cripple the worthless cesspool that is SoCal.
bitch...

[Chris]

The California SCOTUS doing simple thinking for the idiots of this god-damned state. The central and northern divisions would take the agriculture with them and basically cripple the worthless cesspool that is SoCal.

I'm reading that it was more of a play to get 6 senatorial votes instead of 2.

[koriwhat]

I'm reading that it was more of a play to get 6 senatorial votes instead of 2.

exactly. no doubt about that one chris.

[boutons_deux]

SCOCA just removed the ballot initiative.

Sez it changes the CA Constitution, which cannot be done by ballot initiative.

[Chucho]

bitch...


It really is. But hey, det night life, right?

[spurraider21]

It really is. But hey, det night life, right?
I’m not big on night life stuff. But expensive as it is, LA is a nice place to live

[rmt]

Is it true that signs listing various percents of tips are posted even in self-serve stores?

[koriwhat]

I’m not big on night life stuff. But expensive as it is, LA is a nice place to live

if 99% of the people there were pushed into the ocean it'd be a great place to live.

[spurraider21]

if 99% of the people there were pushed into the ocean it'd be a great place to live.
^totally chill, not angry person

[koriwhat]

^totally chill, not angry person

indeed i am chill. the only thing good about cali is its weed and that was just blah when i visited over a decade ago. it was fun there though; parties, night life, bud, but it all seemed so damn fake still.

[Chris]

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[Chris]

Jesus


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[Pavlov]

Jesus


1023645896020566016Why are you showing a video of the Dominican Republic in the California thread?

[Chris]

Why are you showing a video of the Dominican Republic in the California thread?

He's comparing it to the plastic straw situation. I should have clarified it for the layman. Sorry about that.

[Pavlov]

He's comparing it to the plastic straw situation. I should have clarified it for the layman. Sorry about that.So what is he saying should be done about the Dominican Republic?

Or is he just *ding*ing a local law for no actual reason?

Clarify it, Chris.

[Chris]

So what is he saying should be done about the Dominican Republic?

Or is he just *ding*ing a local law for no actual reason?

Clarify it, Chris.

I don't speak Pavlov gibberish. Did you have an actual question for me, or are you just going to babble on?

[Pavlov]

I don't speak Pavlov gibberish. Did you have an actual question for me, or are you just going to babble on?So you can't clarify it at all.

lol Chris

[Chris]

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[Winehole23]

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Suspects looking at serious, violent felonies won’t be eligible for release prior to trial but the majority of suspects arrested for nonviolent misdemeanors will be let go within 12 hours of being booked, according to the legislation.great idea. saves a lot of money without much risk to public safety.

people's lives shouldn't be ruined over non-violent misdemeanor arrests.

win/win/win

[Chris]

They should just get rid of jails too. People's lives are being ruined in there. It's inhumane.

[Spurminator]

great idea. saves a lot of money without much risk to public safety.

people's lives shouldn't be ruined over non-violent misdemeanor arrests.

win/win/win

Yep. Great step forward in criminal justice reform. Props to California for leading the way.

[Pavlov]

lol Chris didn't read the article.

[Spurminator]

They should just get rid of jails too. People's lives are being ruined in there. It's inhumane.

Did you really think you could plagiarize the second comment on the tweet and no one would notice?

Have you ever had an original take? Jesus, you are unimaginative.

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[Winehole23]

They should just get rid of jails too.Disagree strongly, but we can and should make them less wasteful.

There's no need to pauperize people arrested for non-violent misdemeanors. The sooner we get them out of jail, the sooner they can pay their fines and court fees.

[ElNono]

Did you really think you could plagiarize the second comment on the tweet and no one would notice?

Have you ever had an original take? Jesus, you are unimaginative.

That's what robots do, tbh...

[Spurtacular]

Did you really think you could plagiarize the second comment on the tweet and no one would notice?

Have you ever had an original take? Jesus, you are unimaginative.

1034558484757524482

That's gonna go well.

[SnakeBoy]

great idea. saves a lot of money without much risk to public safety.

people's lives shouldn't be ruined over non-violent misdemeanor arrests.

win/win/win

Agreed. Honestly am surprised that this approach isn't the norm in the country.

[Chucho]

The premise is in well intention but the system itself is going to make or break this law. If the risk-assessment system fails or is poorly-thought and warrant counts rise and money is spent on enforcing warrants with more round ups and picking up the slack when bondsmen are obsolete.

Misdemeanor fines, tickets and restitution can't be paid if people don't show up for court. You can't predict what that number/volume would be, but in this society...I don't have optimism the fly rate decreases.

[FrostKing]

Dog the Bounty Hunter is not pleased

[Chris]

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[Winehole23]

women are helpless without guns?

have you ever met one? :lol

[RandomGuy]

1034556982064115712

Chris beats me to it.

It is a great idea and sound public policy. It will cost taxpayers a LOT less money, and the public less too.

It will suck for the assholes in the "bail industry", but they will just have to go out and get real jobs.

[spurraider21]

1035071597193785344
If Trump passed the same law

"Trump passes law defending us from muslims and immigrants between the ages of 18 and 21 from being able to murder us"

but on a serious note, you already had to be 21 to buy handguns. but you could buy shotguns/rifles at 18. they just made the 21 year old requirement more uniform... it's not some drastic measure.

[Chris]

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[Winehole23]

Subjunctive mood.

You'd think Fox News would find a stronger denunciation if one was available.

[Chris]

kNSoFMsfw-8

[AaronY]

kNSoFMsfw-8
I knew the forest fires was the liberals fault somehow.

[Chris]

I knew the forest fires was the liberals fault somehow.

Think of all the animals that got burned alive.

I'm disgusted by California.

[AaronY]

Think of all the animals that got burned alive.

I'm disgusted by California.
Everything can be explained by the following:

Libs bad
Rs good

Never realized this till now but when i think about it everything falls into place

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/tomfitton/status/1072959075498033157?s=21

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1072550623789359105?s=20

Muh popular vote.:lol

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1072550623789359105?s=20

Muh popular vote.:lol
i don't get it

[ElNono]

Been looking at housing there... :wow

[Pavlov]

i don't get itI don't either. He edited it so it would make less sense.

[Nathan89]

i don't get it

Ted is a California congressman. Ted is pointing toward the Constitution as an impediment of his want to control speech. An extremist position that would become problematic if the "muh popular vote" crowd got their dream. It's both a dig at that and in general California.

[Nathan89]

Been looking at housing there... :wow

You are moving to California?

[ElNono]

You are moving to California?

Mulling an offer ATM, have to do due diligence.

[ElNono]

Ted is a California congressman. Ted is pointing toward the Constitution as an impediment of his want to control speech. An extremist position that would become problematic if the "muh popular vote" crowd got their dream. It's both a dig at that and in general California.

Why would it be a problem? The method of selecting an electoral winner doesn't involve changing the 1st amendment.

[Pavlov]

Ted is a California congressman. Ted is pointing toward the Constitution as an impediment of his want to control speech. An extremist position that would become problematic if the "muh popular vote" crowd got their dream. It's both a dig at that and in general California.Except he said the 1st Amendment is a good thing.

lol Nathan missing every point ever made.

[Chucho]

Mulling an offer ATM, have to do due diligence.

If you do, dont buy a house. The bubble is going to burst and it's going to be uglier than the last recession. Wait and scavenge, you'll be happy you did.

[spurraider21]

Been looking at housing there... :wow
which part tbh?

[ElNono]

If you do, dont buy a house. The bubble is going to burst and it's going to be uglier than the last recession. Wait and scavenge, you'll be happy you did.

What's crazy is that a rent is not that far off from a mortgage if you have the money for the 20%-25% down-payment.


which part tbh?

San Mateo or Santa Monica.

Basically, house prices are in-line with house prices here in NJ, but rent is about 3x-4x as much, pretty wicked.

[Nathan89]

Except he said the 1st Amendment is a good thing.

lol Nathan missing every point ever made.

And he also said he would like to regulate fox news but he can't because of the 1st amendment. I realize he sent a mixed message.

[ElNono]

And he also said he would like to regulate fox news but he can't because of the 1st amendment. I realize he sent a mixed message.

He sent the right message. The rights granted by the Constitution trump personal wishes, even if they're shared by a majority of the population.

It's an unequivocal message.

[Pavlov]

And he also said he would like to regulate fox news but he can't because of the 1st amendment. I realize he sent a mixed message.Not mixed at all.

He supports the 1st amendment.

Pretty clear.

[DMC]

Been looking at housing there... :wow

How many of you are going to hole up in one vacant house tbh?

[ElNono]

Wish our POTUS would send similar clear messages about respecting the law of the land when he talks about intervention on CNN, Twitter, Facebook, etc...

[ElNono]

How many of you are going to hole up in one vacant house tbh?

As many as Soros money allows, tbh...

[Nathan89]

He sent the right message. The rights granted by the Constitution trump personal wishes, even if they're shared by a majority of the population.

It's an unequivocal message.

If the wind changes just a bit he'll be fear mongering over free speech just like Dems currently do over the 2nd amendment. Dems blueprint Europe has absurd speech laws already. So yeah the 1st amendment is only thing stopping that extremism. Only a matter of time before high school students are being riled up to march out of class and media putting their "wisdom" front and center as they currently do with the 2nd amendment.

[Pavlov]

If the wind changes just a bit he'll be fear mongering over free speech just like Dems currently do over the 2nd amendment. Dems blueprint Europe has absurd speech laws already. So yeah the 1st amendment is only thing stopping that extremism. Only a matter of time before high school students are being riled up to march out of class and media putting their "wisdom" front and center as they currently do with the 2nd amendment.Are you drunk?

[vy65]

Mulling an offer ATM, have to do due diligence.

Don’t do it my Nig. I thought you was committed to NJ???

[Nathan89]

Not mixed at all.

He supports the 1st amendment.

Pretty clear.

To his credit he recognizes that the 1st amendment prevents him from enacting his fascist wants which is a long term positive.

[ElNono]

If the wind changes just a bit he'll be fear mongering over free speech just like Dems currently do over the 2nd amendment. Dems blueprint Europe has absurd speech laws already. So yeah the 1st amendment is only thing stopping that extremism. Only a matter of time before high school students are being riled up to march out of class and media putting their "wisdom" front and center as they currently do with the 2nd amendment.

Been to Europe, have family in Europe, they certainly have a different history and the laws differ on a country by country basis. Generally there's nothing extreme about speech laws there, IMO, but certainly debatable.

I mean, even OUR Constitution has means to be changed by a really high bar of consensus, so that's also not off the table. But what should really stand out about that message is that as long as the law exists, it has to be respected, and if you want to change it, then you need to take steps to do so while abiding by it.

It's a direct message about respect for the law above all else, which is the right message, IMO.

[vy65]

Altho my bro lives in Santa Monica. I’ll hook you up with the lesser VY. Him and SR21 can show you all the hot armo spots around town. Maybe get some kefte while you’re at it.

[Pavlov]

To his credit he recognizes that the 1st amendment prevents him from enacting his fascist wants which is a long term positive.What does Bernie think about the 1st Amendment?

[vy65]

Are you drunk?

He just an idiot.

[ElNono]

Don’t do it my Nig. I thought you was committed to NJ???

Well, I think I have to take serious offers seriously, do some due diligence on them, discuss with the family what's best for us going forward, analyze if it's time for some change of pace/scenery after 20 years.

I'm talking with all parties, looking at the info, and will take all that with me to the holiday recess and think about it. I'm in a good situation right now, but I also relish getting out of my comfort zone and try to grow, be better, whether it ends up working in the end or not.

[Nathan89]

Been to Europe, have family in Europe, they certainly have a different history and the laws differ on a country by country basis. Generally there's nothing extreme about speech laws there, IMO, but certainly debatable.

I mean, even OUR Constitution has means to be changed by a really high bar of consensus, so that's also not off the table. But what should really stand out about that message is that as long as the law exists, it has to be respected, and if you want to change it, then you need to take steps to do so while abiding by it.

It's a direct message about respect for the law above all else, which is the right message, IMO.

If I was overly concerned about the ability for the government to regulate fox news while the 1st amendment exists then that would standout as a positive. I'm not though so his general message is very concerning to me.

[Nathan89]

What does Bernie think about the 1st Amendment?

Irrelevant. Go look it up.

[Pavlov]

If I was overly concerned about the ability for the government to regulate fox news while the 1st amendment exists then that would standout as a positive. I'm not though so his general message is very concerning to me.Have you ever considered you're just not smart at all?

[vy65]

Well, I think I have to take serious offers seriously, do some due diligence on them, discuss with the family what's best for us going forward, analyze if it's time for some change of pace/scenery after 20 years.

I'm talking with all parties, looking at the info, and will take all that with me to the holiday recess and think about it. I'm in a good situation right now, but I also relish getting out of my comfort zone and try to grow, be better, whether it ends up working in the end or not.

I grew up in Toms River and Edison. So help me god if you sell NJ out to move to SoCal ...

In all seriousness tho, you gotta do what’s best for you and your fam. Glad to hear you might be collecting more of dem checks ...

[Pavlov]

Irrelevant. Go look it up.He's a left winger and presumably as fascist as you claim Democrats are.

Your support of him is really a sore spot with you.

Why?