Kawhi is trending and NBA twitter is ripping him into shreds

[sasaint]

I read this situation much earlier.

And to think RC was going to max out an autistic player

Yes, I have also expressed the belief that he has a mental/emotional health issue. If so, Kawhi deserves our sympathy not our scorn. But I do not think you invest a supermax deal on such a risk.

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Yes, I have also expressed the belief that he has a mental/emotional health issue. If so, Kawhi deserves our sympathy not our scorn. But I do not think you invest a supermax deal on such a risk.

This.

[cd021]

Reports saying LAC is angling to make a move for him this offseason. Seems his "groups " plan is working out so far. All that's left is for PATFO to get sick of his shit and start looking seriously at moving him.

[Pauleta14]

Yes, I have also expressed the belief that he has a mental/emotional health issue. If so, Kawhi deserves our sympathy not our scorn. But I do not think you invest a supermax deal on such a risk.

That's a crazy speculation you're doing there.:wow

The lack of information make people imagine crazy explanations without anything to support it... :lol

[DaBears]

I can forgive being cleared but not playing if he truly is hurt. I don’t like it but I can understand it.

What I can’t forgive is not supporting the team on the bench, running away from the team into hiding, not speaking up with any sort of explanation. Just no excuse for that, and he deserves every bit of criticism for it.

:bobo Agree 100%. I have played team sports, basketball at a competitive lvl. And even during injuries you stay and support the team as best as possible. Sitting behind the your teammates on the bench and being involved is a no brainer.
Which leaves me to think it’s not injury related, and KL doesn’t want to be part of the SPURS, nor the team.

[DaBears]

:bobo Agree 100%. I have played team sports, basketball at a competitive lvl. And even during injuries you stay and support the team as best as possible. Sitting behind the your teammates on the bench and being involved is a no brainer.
Which leaves me to think it’s not injury related, and KL doesn’t want to be part of the SPURS, nor the team.

side bar to this is that if KL did sit on the bench or close to it like Steph C. Did in Game 1 (like a good teammate). Can you imagine all the taughting or boos’s KL would get, maybe it’s better he doesn’t.

[John B]

Who cares about the boos. Just be there for your team.

[dbestpro]

Reports saying LAC is angling to make a move for him this offseason. Seems his "groups " plan is working out so far. All that's left is for PATFO to get sick of his shit and start looking seriously at moving him.

They got two lottery picks. If they got the first pick which is most likely Ayton, and you could get both lottery picks Tobias Harris, and maybe sign and trade Avery Bradley, you might move Mills or Gasol with their bad contracts along with him.

[UZER]

My guess is, after the season is over, the Spurs will fall on the sword and say they asked Kawhi to stay away. They have to to keep his trade value as high as possible and not make him look like a head case.

[cd021]

They got two lottery picks. If they got the first pick which is most likely Ayton, and you could get both lottery picks Tobias Harris, and maybe sign and trade Avery Bradley, you might move Mills or Gasol with their bad contracts along with him.

Their picks are projected to be 12th and 13th along with Tobias Harris, that's not an awful package but probably not enough. I'm not good when it comes to S&T's so I don't know how- if at all -that would work with Bradley.

[apalisoc_9]

Their picks are projected to be 12th and 13th along with Tobias Harris, that's not an awful package but probably not enough. I'm not good when it comes to S&T's so I don't know how- if at all -that would work with Bradley.

Clippers could always make a trade with another team to better their package. Something like trading another player the spurs dont need for another pick etc.

[tholdren]

I was right. You all were wrong

[dbestpro]

Their picks are projected to be 12th and 13th along with Tobias Harris, that's not an awful package but probably not enough. I'm not good when it comes to S&T's so I don't know how- if at all -that would work with Bradley.

Two shots to move higher than 12 or 13. I think one of the two will land in the top 5. Just a hunch. No facts.

[TheDoctor]

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:lmao...

[ace3g]

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[r0drig0lac]

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no Duncan = no culture

[cd021]

Two shots to move higher than 12 or 13. I think one of the two will land in the top 5. Just a hunch. No facts.

According to CBS
(https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-lottery-2018-standings-odds-suns-grizzlies-mavs-have-best-shot-at-landing-no-1-overall-pick/)

Those picks each have a less than a 3 percent chance of moving into the top 3 and probably only a 5 % chance of being top five. I expect them to be about the same as where they are projected- which is still fairly valuable.

[DaBears]

Who cares about the boos. Just be there for your team.

you I agree, should be there in show of support. I’m just sayin it has to be something other than injury now..

[cd021]

Clippers could always make a trade with another team to better their package. Something like trading another player the spurs dont need for another pick etc.

Don't think those picks would pry a top 7 or 8 pick from the teams picking high in the draft. Those picks, plus 18 and Toby Harris would be a good foundation to rebuild/ retool though that package could be bested by Boston.

The only trade that I could see maybe fitting your description would be moving both picks for Kemba Walker and then reroute him to us along, with Harris, and we send them Kawhi.

Charlotte probably wouldn't do that considering Jordan clearly wants Kawhi. he could try and package Monk, the 11th and Kemba to the Spurs but that' not a great package IMO.

[FireMicoHalili]

Number of posts in this thread would probably be cut in half if people just stuck to facts and avoided any conjecture or baseless rumors. If he stays, well and good, if he demands a trade, I’m excited to see players actually interested in representing the silver and black.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

I woke up today thinking that it may have been a bigger distraction if he was there. The questions would be so is he ready? What's been going on? Blah blah blah. Either he returns next year or not. For now it's all guess work and out of everyone control here

[james evans]

The worst part is that Pop will probably fuck up any potential trade for him, anyways..he'll trade him for 2 6'2" SGs(all light-skinned) and an international prospect..
that will never play..

[bklynspursfan]

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[r0drig0lac]

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it's over

[marinoman]

Pop should say ask kawhi and his posse

[spursfan09]

Wow just wow

[duncan2k5]

Pop purposefully antagonizing an injured player because he wants to send off manu and parker in a blaze of glory at Kawhi's expense

[bklynspursfan]

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[Chinook]

According to CBS
(https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-lottery-2018-standings-odds-suns-grizzlies-mavs-have-best-shot-at-landing-no-1-overall-pick/)

Those picks each have a less than a 3 percent chance of moving into the top 3 and probably only a 5 % chance of being top five. I expect them to be about the same as where they are projected- which is still fairly valuable.

Also, that Pistons pick is top-four protected, I think. So no chance of it moving up. Something like Harris, Boban and Beverly for Kawhi, Patty and the picks might be good, especially if the team can get ATL to take Pau for some draft compensation (like Pau and 18 for 33 or Pau and 13 for 30). Spurs could end up with two lotto picks, a decent starting SF in Harris and about $15-18 Million in cap space to attack the their roster weaknesses. Pretty good, all things considered.

[bklynspursfan]

Pop purposefully antagonizing an injured player because he wants to send off manu and parker in a blaze of glory at Kawhi's expense

Or Pop doesn't know and is saying speak with Kawhi and his group? Like surely there is a media presence in NY that can get a hold of Kawhi. I think he's tired of all the Kawhi questions why Kawhi and his camp can stay hidden.

[bklynspursfan]

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[ElNono]

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:lmao fucking ESPN reporter asking the obvious questions, and the local reporters actually retweeting them... bunch of cowards

[Clipper Nation]

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:lol Poop is truly desperate to never answer a basketball-related question himself, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Pop purposefully antagonizing an injured player because he wants to send off manu and parker in a blaze of glory at Kawhi's expense

[phxspurfan]

Or he's actually injured. Kawhi has zero to gain by sitting out.

if he was only injured he'd be sitting behind the bench at a playoff game supporting his guys. It's clear this has become much more than a thigh bruise. It's an entire complex that he has. Probably with anxiety to show up in front of the team that he has already abandoned

[bklynspursfan]

:lol Poop is truly desperate to never answer a basketball-related question himself, tbh.

Yea, that was a basketball related question.

[Clipper Nation]

Yea, that was a basketball related question.
And he immediately deflected it to someone else. Meanwhile, ask him about politics, NASA, the white rhino, etc. and he'll give a whole lecture on it.

[phxspurfan]

Pop purposefully antagonizing an injured player because he wants to send off manu and parker in a blaze of glory at Kawhi's expense

Didn't watch yesterday's game, but it seems clear that Pop is throwing the series if he's playing the entire bench more than 10 minutes apiece. Even Sportscenter poked fun at him having Mills and Forbes try to guard Durant.

[SAGirl]

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Glad he's at least dispelled the speculation that it was the Spurs that asked him to stay away. That was not just baseless but ridiculous to me, no disrespect meant to anyone who speculated that was a hypothetical reason since the situation is so weird.

[r0drig0lac]

:lol Poop is truly desperate to never answer a basketball-related question himself, tbh.

if he has something good about it, is that he will not have a superstar talent in the next season to hide the shortcomings of the roster he created, so one way or another he'll have to do his job

[tholdren]

And he immediately deflected it to someone else. Meanwhile, ask him about politics, NASA, the white rhino, etc. and he'll give a whole lecture on it.

You dumb

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if he was only injured he'd be sitting behind the bench at a playoff game supporting his guys. It's clear this has become much more than a thigh bruise. It's an entire complex that he has. Probably with anxiety to show up in front of the team that he has already abandoned

I agree that Kawhi has nothing to gain from sitting out. I believe he wants to be on the court but from what I've read his injury is really painful and isn't a simple one in terms of a timetable for recovery. I get that, it's understandable. But is it too much to ask to get an update from him? The fans deserve to know what's up. Hell, forget the fans, even the team seems to be in the dark. Which leads to another point: Is it too much to ask for him to sit on the bench? He's showing no respect to his teammates. Obviously, there is more to this than just an injury at this point. There's a discord that I fear cannot be repaired.

[tholdren]

I agree that Kawhi has nothing to gain from sitting out. I believe he wants to be on the court but from what I've read his injury is really painful and isn't a simple one in terms of a timetable for recovery. I get that, it's understandable. But is it too much to ask to get an update from him? The fans deserve to know what's up. Hell, forget the fans, even the team seems to be in the dark. Which leads to another point: Is it too much to ask for him to sit on the bench? He's showing no respect to his teammates. Obviously, there is more to this than just an injury at this point. There's a discord that I fear cannot be repaired.

Right, which is was i said at the beginning of the season when he sat after his 9 games. Come out of the closet and be vocal. He wasnt so he invited speculation.

[lefty]

if he was only injured he'd be sitting behind the bench at a playoff game supporting his guys. It's clear this has become much more than a thigh bruise. It's an entire complex that he has. Probably with anxiety to show up in front of the team that he has already abandoned

Too risky

What if a player dives for a loose ball and lands on him tbh

[phxspurfan]

Right, which is was i said at the beginning of the season when he sat after his 9 games. Come out of the closet and be vocal. He wasnt so he invited speculation.

Yeah tbh he f'd up handling this one pretty bad. We were all young and stupid once. He will be just fine in his next career on the Lakers

[spursistan]

Say whatever you want about Pop but if he the GOAT man-manager-- as well-spoken as he is-- gets triggered like that, you know it is a lost cause.

We are basically talking about a player hijacking by his camp. At this point, it is legitimate to ask whether Kawhi is suffering from a mental issue (anxiety, hypochondria..etc) that's enabling all of this..

It just so weird. I have never seen any player who had quit on team behave like this. So little effort being put at just pretending otherwise..

"his group" are ballsy MFer. They better be sure he will be back to his MVP-level for his new team, because his baggage is so fuckin' toxic.

[tholdren]

Say whatever you want about Pop but if he the GOAT man-manager-- as well-spoken as he is-- gets triggered like that, you know it is a lost cause.

We are basically talking about a player hijacking by his camp. At this point, it is legitimate to ask whether Kawhi is suffering from a mental issue (anxiety, hypochondria..etc) that's enabling all of this..

It just so weird. I have never seen any player who had quit on team behave like this. So little effort being put at just pretending otherwise..

"his group" are ballsy MFer. They better be sure he will be back to his MVP-level for his new team, because his baggage is so fuckin' toxic.

Carmelo jr

[bklynspursfan]

And he immediately deflected it to someone else. Meanwhile, ask him about politics, NASA, the white rhino, etc. and he'll give a whole lecture on it.

That wasn't a basketball related question tho... It was a guy who's not playing and has been a hot topic all year with the same questions over and over.

[tholdren]

Yeah tbh he f'd up handling this one pretty bad. We were all young and stupid once. He will be just fine in his next career on the Lakers

Ok he can go hang around in la. Being a carmelo anthonys clone. Overhyped, ringless, thanks media

[CGD]

Also, that Pistons pick is top-four protected, I think. So no chance of it moving up. Something like Harris, Boban and Beverly for Kawhi, Patty and the picks might be good, especially if the team can get ATL to take Pau for some draft compensation (like Pau and 18 for 33 or Pau and 13 for 30). Spurs could end up with two lotto picks, a decent starting SF in Harris and about $15-18 Million in cap space to attack the their roster weaknesses. Pretty good, all things considered.

Not bad, or at least enough to make Angie beef up Boston’s offer.

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Certainly my takeaway. PATFO likely trading this fool even if he wanted to stay.

[TimDunkem]

The least he could do is sit on the bench. Smh

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:lol Poop is truly desperate to never answer a basketball-related question himself, tbh.

Find a Clipper board. Assuming enough people care about the clips.

[spursistan]

The least he could do is sit on the bench. Smh

Pau said they haven't seen him for weeks (i.e since players-only meeting). He has 19 millions in the bank (just for this washed out season). It wouldn't cost him to 100k to fly that rehab team to Oakland/SA for a week- 10 days..

Shit is so transparent: he's quit or made to quit.

[Hoops Czar]

I have very little confidence the Spurs will get anything of real value for Kawhi even if he did demand a trade. The Spurs should just let him sit out next season if he doesn't want to play for the Spurs and tank for a lottery pick.

[spursistan]

I have very little confidence the Spurs will get anything of real value for Kawhi even if he did demand a trade. The Spurs should just let him sit out next season if he doesn't want to play for the Spurs and tank for a lottery pick.
Yeah, I would guess even Tatum would be off the table.

Think Jaylen Brown + Kings pick is the best they could get, and even then Boston would have to be completely convinced that he is (a) resigning and (b) he will hold up health-wise (good luck with that since nothing is coming up in the scan and yet this dude continues to complain of pain) ..


I know imagine a year ago when Spurs fan refused to trade him for Lebron :lmao..

[daslicer]

Yeah, I would guess even Tatum would be off the table.

Think Jaylen Brown + Kings pick is the best they could get, and even then Boston would have to be completely convinced that he is (a) resigning and (b) he will hold up health-wise (good luck with that since nothing is coming up in the scan and yet this dude continues to complain of pain) ..


I know imagine a year ago when Spurs fan refused to trade him for Lebron :lmao..

A year ago Phil offered Porzingis for him. We could have had Porzingis for this dumb mute had he made it clear earlier that he didn't want to be a Spur.

[picnroll]

When the season’s over and Leonard moves to wherever I hope the Spurs players open up about the bullshit this guy pulled. Too bad the Spurs can’t sue this chump for $19 million in breach of contract.

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah, I would guess even Tatum would be off the table.

Think Jaylen Brown + Kings pick is the best they could get, and even then Boston would have to be completely convinced that he is (a) resigning and (b) he will hold up health-wise (good luck with that since nothing is coming up in the scan and yet this dude continues to complain of pain) ..


I know imagine a year ago when Spurs fan refused to trade him for Lebron :lmao..

:lol

Part of the problem here is that nobody really knows if he's faking an injury or if he's still in pain. Nobody knows if Kawhi's situation is chronic or not and he hasn't been able to prove himself on the court. Why would any team give the Spurs their best young prospects/draft picks for what could be damaged goods and when they could have him for nothing in 2019? (Isaiah Thomas anyone?)?

[CGD]

Yeah, I would guess even Tatum would be off the table.

Think Jaylen Brown + Kings pick is the best they could get, and even then Boston would have to be completely convinced that he is (a) resigning and (b) he will hold up health-wise (good luck with that since nothing is coming up in the scan and yet this dude continues to complain of pain) ..


I know imagine a year ago when Spurs fan refused to trade him for Lebron :lmao..

If all Boston offers is that, I’ll take Harris from Clippers and their two late lotto picks THIS year in a much stronger draft. Ainge can cheap out and miss out.

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:lol

Part of the problem here is that nobody really knows if he's faking an injury or if he's still in pain. Nobody knows if Kawhi's situation is chronic or not and he hasn't been able to prove himself on the court. Why would any team give the Spurs their best young prospects/draft picks for what could be damaged goods (Isaiah Thomas anyone?)?

Yep, and if you think about it, neither side of that coin should sound promising for prospective GMs.

If he's injured with such a strange and debilitating condition so as to miss a season when the very respected Spurs doctors cleared him...

Nor

He was cleared and capable of playing, yet sat out anyway because somebody hurt his feelers. And if he did it against one of the best coaches and organizations in the business when he was on the cusp of getting a supermax offer, why wouldn't he do it on the next team? And for the team that made him into what he's become, no less.

[mo7888]

I still don't think Boston wants to may horford, kyrie, Kawhi, and Hayward. That will be 3 max contracts plus a $27M guy. If they come after Kawhi they are going to want to move horford or Hayward, either to us or in a separate deal.

[spursistan]

Yep, and if you think about it, neither side of that coin should sound promising for prospective GMs.

If he's injured with such a strange and debilitating condition so as to miss a season when the very respected Spurs doctors cleared him...

Nor

He was cleared and capable of playing, yet sat out anyway because somebody hurt his feelers. And if he did it against one of the best coaches and organizations in the business when he was on the cusp of getting a supermax offer, why wouldn't he do it on the next team? And for the team that made him into what he's become, no less.

Pretty much sums it up :tu..

Dude nuked his value in 9 months..

[CGD]

Yep, and if you think about it, neither side of that coin should sound promising for prospective GMs.

If he's injured with such a strange and debilitating condition so as to miss a season when the very respected Spurs doctors cleared him...

Nor

He was cleared and capable of playing, yet sat out anyway because somebody hurt his feelers. And if he did it against one of the best coaches and organizations in the business when he was on the cusp of getting a supermax offer, why wouldn't he do it on the next team? And for the team that made him into what he's become, no less.

I don’t know, elite injured and emotionally unstable players still end up getting top dollar in free agency. Think about Embid and Kyre most recently. I also think Cousins will get paid this summer. Good players do, which is why the spurs will end up offering the designated player salary too.

[Hoops Czar]

I don’t know, elite injured and emotionally unstable players still end up getting top dollar in free agency. Think about Embid and Kyre most recently. I also think Cousins will get paid this summer. Good players do, which is why the spurs will end up offering the designated player salary too.

He's a free agent in 2019. It still doesn't stand to reason why any team would give up their best young talent/draft picks when they could have him for nothing in the following offseason.

[Russ]

Didn't watch yesterday's game, but it seems clear that Pop is throwing the series if he's playing the entire bench more than 10 minutes apiece.

Pop did the same thing in the New Orleans game, playing the starters light minutes and giving the bench big minutes.

I thought maybe Pop was resting his starters for Game 1.

Now after Game 1, I wonder which game he's saving his main guys for. If not Monday, it may be never.

[Budkin]

Goddamit man this whole situation sucks! We're about to lose a top 3 player because.... why?

[CGD]

He's a free agent in 2019. It still doesn't stand to reason why any team would give up their best young talent/draft picks when they could have him for nothing in the following offseason.

Fair point, but consider that for some teams like Boston and maybe Clippers a trade might be the only way they can nab his bird rights, which would allow them to exceed the cap to resign him.

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[BatManu20]

Twitter would like you to see this.


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[dbreiden83080]

I have very little confidence the Spurs will get anything of real value for Kawhi even if he did demand a trade. The Spurs should just let him sit out next season if he doesn't want to play for the Spurs and tank for a lottery pick.

The players seem to always get their way in these situations. I still have no idea why that idiot Gilbert traded away Kyrie when Kyrie had no leverage with 2 years to go? I would make Leonard play it out next year. He wants that big money deal, and he has no choice. But if he is that unhappy they probably let him go. To me whatever deal they get will be a bad one, since he destroyed his value this season. Soft, quitter, head case, etc.

[Russ]

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I wonder if Kawhi would consider playing in the Summer League if that might be in his (or the Spurs') interest at some point . . .

[spursistan]

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Here comes the camp leak after last night shitstorm..

[Trueblood]

He's a free agent in 2019. It still doesn't stand to reason why any team would give up their best young talent/draft picks when they could have him for nothing in the following offseason.

The odds of signing him in free agency is one in twenty-nine (taking the spurs out of the mix). Those chances greatly increase when you already have him on your team. Look at OKC. They rolled the dice on trading for PG knowing the rumors that he wanted to go to LA. There will be a team willing to roll the dice for the chance that he'll extend there. Even with his baggage he's a talent than PG.

[daslicer]

Here comes the camp leak after last night shitstorm..

I was about to the say the same thing but you beat me to it.

[davidbowie]

i still dont get why... he doesnt wanna play for Pop? they pushed him too hard? i cant imagine kawhi having an opinion on anything beyond what he wants for breakfast that morning. he says nothing. we know so little about him.

someone must be in his ear. what other logical reason is there. this shit is embarrassing

[Trueblood]

The players seem to always get their way in these situations. I still have no idea why that idiot Gilbert traded away Kyrie when Kyrie had no leverage with 2 years to go? I would make Leonard play it out next year. He wants that big money deal, and he has no choice. But if he is that unhappy they probably let him go. To me whatever deal they get will be a bad one, since he destroyed his value this season. Soft, quitter, head case, etc.

They need to trade him before the rumors about "kawhi will only sign extensions with the following teams..." Comes out. Once that happens the s
Spurs lose all leverage in a trade

[Russ]

There will be a team willing to roll the dice for the chance that he'll extend there. Even with his baggage he's a talent than PG.

Also, don't forget that Kawhi's on a "bargain" one-year contract next year (if he can regain his form). That's true even if you don't resign him.

[CGD]

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Ah, the PR storm.

Kawhi camp with this, Spurs camp throwing shade on “his group”, and the outside agitators in BOS amen LAC trying to drive the wedge

[Trueblood]

i still dont get why... he doesnt wanna play for Pop? they pushed him too hard? i cant imagine kawhi having an opinion on anything beyond what he wants for breakfast that morning. he says nothing. we know so little about him.

someone must be in his ear. what other logical reason is there. this shit is embarrassing

Greedy uncle knows he'll make more endorsement money in a major market and he wants more money. Players can make more in endorsements than in salary.

[phxspurfan]

Yeah, I would guess even Tatum would be off the table.

Think Jaylen Brown + Kings pick is the best they could get, and even then Boston would have to be completely convinced that he is (a) resigning and (b) he will hold up health-wise (good luck with that since nothing is coming up in the scan and yet this dude continues to complain of pain) ..


I know imagine a year ago when Spurs fan refused to trade him for Lebron :lmao..

PATFO waited so long and let this thing fester, now we can only sell for pennies on the dollar. Like LMA attempt last summer. So the best move is probably just to hold onto him for one more year.

[davidbowie]

Greedy uncle knows he'll make more endorsement money in a major market and he wants more money. Players can make more in endorsements than in salary.

i mean i guess. he's not shaq. he has no personality. he's a shitty spokesman. the damn heb commercials had to make him look like a slow adult to get some laughs

[Trueblood]

i mean i guess. he's not shaq. he has no personality. he's a shitty spokesman. the damn heb commercials had to make him look like a slow adult to get some laughs

He doesn't have to. Look at that Nike commercial about if Kawhi is better on offense our defense. That was one of his best commercials and he didn't even appear in it.

[dbreiden83080]

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Either The Spurs have some of the worst doctors in the United States. Or he is totally full of shit..

[davidbowie]

what if kawhi is just depressed and doesnt feel like playing. he always seemed to carry around this intense sadness.

[Trueblood]

Also, don't forget that Kawhi's on a "bargain" one-year contract next year (if he can regain his form). That's true even if you don't resign him.

This

[dbreiden83080]

Greedy uncle knows he'll make more endorsement money in a major market and he wants more money. Players can make more in endorsements than in salary.

He may be a California local boy, but his personality is perfectly suited for the small market. Lakers are a circus, and the media, fans will run you out of town if you dare pull this Quiet man Bullshit on that team.. Does not play with them..

[Trueblood]

He may be a California local boy, but his personality is perfectly suited for the small market. Lakers are a circus, and the media fans will run you out of town if you dare pull this Quite man Bullshit on that team.. Does not play with them..

He wasn't even in his best commercial. They can hide his lack of personality

[r0drig0lac]

i still dont get why... he doesnt wanna play for Pop? they pushed him too hard? i cant imagine kawhi having an opinion on anything beyond what he wants for breakfast that morning. he says nothing. we know so little about him.

someone must be in his ear. what other logical reason is there. this shit is embarrassing
I know it's a crazy idea, but I think your "group" may not be satisfied with the roster, maybe they feel like he's wasting time on SA, of course we'll know something real in the next three months

[UZER]

I am in no way defending Kawhi. I’ve said before if he’s hurt, he’s hurt, but he should still be with the team and on the bench, not being a bitch in hiding. With that said...

Pop constantly acting like a dick to media and reporters does not give him a good look either.

It’s like going through a divorce, and your wife cheated on you and she is completely at fault, but you have to explain why you been fired from 3 jobs for arguing and disagreements with your boss. It’s not directly related but it’s something there.

Not an exact comparison but you get the idea.

[Hoops Czar]

The odds of signing him in free agency is one in twenty-nine.....

Are you suggesting the Suns and Grizzlies have the same odds of landing Leonard as the Celts or Clipps? :lol

No team is going to offer the Spurs their best young prospects/draft picks for a one year rental.

[dbreiden83080]

I am in no way defending Kawhi. I’ve said before if he’s hurt, he’s hurt, but he should still be with the team and on the bench, not being a bitch in hiding. With that said...

Pop constantly acting like a dick to media and reporters does not give him a good look either.

It’s like going through a divorce, and your wife cheated on you and she is completely at fault, but you have to explain why you been fired from 3 jobs for arguing and disagreements with your boss. It’s not directly related but it’s something there.

Not an exact comparison but you get the idea.

I am not clear how he could be hurt when he has not played ball all year long? He was hurt after a summer of rest apparently. Maybe pro basketball is not his thing. He should take up Water Polo.. Something easy on the legs..

[UZER]

I am not clear how he could be hurt when he has not played ball all year long? He was hurt after a summer of rest apparently. Maybe pro basketball is not his thing. He should take up Water Polo.. Something easy on the legs..

I agree. I’ve even said if he’s so awkward socially and any confrontation scares him enough to go into hiding, then he’s in the wrong profession. Not joking either.

[ace3g]

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[objective]

Pop didn't turn on Kawhi until this situation was going on for months. He had his back long enough.

[Trueblood]

Are you suggesting the Suns and Grizzlies have the same odds of landing Leonard as the Celts or Clipps? :lol

No team is going to offer the Spurs their best young prospects/draft picks for a one year rental.

Agree to disagree. Time will tell which one of us is right. A team will be willing to give up a young prospect and a good draft pick if they get him for the year and they believe it will increase their chances to resign him. Not all teams have the same chance but a lot of contenders will roll the dice and make an offer of they believe having him even for a year will put them over the hump.

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PATFO waited so long and let this thing fester, now we can only sell for pennies on the dollar. Like LMA attempt last summer. So the best move is probably just to hold onto him for one more year.

They had no choice once the trade deadline came and went. And who knew it was coming to this at that time?

Evidently nobody, even Spurs brass or players, knew it would deteriorate to this point.

So, not to be a dick, but your point about shitty returns is without merit.

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I am not clear how he could be hurt when he has not played ball all year long? He was hurt after a summer of rest apparently. Maybe pro basketball is not his thing. He should take up Water Polo.. Something easy on the legs..

This point is almost always overlooked. Kudos for bringing it up. I fucking hate the narrative that the Spurs or Spurs doctors caused this injury.

[CGD]

I still don't think Boston wants to may horford, kyrie, Kawhi, and Hayward. That will be 3 max contracts plus a $27M guy. If they come after Kawhi they are going to want to move horford or Hayward, either to us or in a separate deal.

This seems right, and it feels like it would be Hortford they’d want to move. If they want the Spurs to be the team to take on his long term money it’ll definitely cost them more.

Pau+Leonard for
Tatum + Brown + Hartford contract + Kings Pick works

[SAGirl]

Goddamit man this whole situation sucks! We're about to lose a top 3 player because.... why?
sad day for spurfan... there is really nothing to celebrate in this tbh.
Perhaps spurfan needs to start looking at the long road ahead which involves a rebuild.

[SAGirl]

He's a free agent in 2019. It still doesn't stand to reason why any team would give up their best young talent/draft picks when they could have him for nothing in the following offseason.
and after making sure he's in playable condition assuming he plays next year. If he doesn't, then they saved themselves from that risk and still have their assets.
It is the main reason Spurs will get bad offers. it sucks.

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sad day for spurfan... there is really nothing to celebrate in this tbh.
Perhaps spurfan needs to start looking at the long road ahead which involves a rebuild.

That's where we are, without question, assuming KL is gonna be shipped out. As much as I love LA, hes just not one of the top 10 guys you have to have to ring. He's definitely still someone to build around though, unless you can get great return.

I think if they can get some good young talent and some good picks, our turnaround will be short. Especially given some of our young guys, and the ability of PATFO to make some quality choices on draft day.

Unless they can lure Bron, you rebuild.

[SAGirl]

Twitter would like you to see this.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Da2X5XoUwAAPHPc?format=jpg&name=small
:lmao
wow
:flag:

[TD 21]

Yep, and if you think about it, neither side of that coin should sound promising for prospective GMs.

If he's injured with such a strange and debilitating condition so as to miss a season when the very respected Spurs doctors cleared him...

Nor

He was cleared and capable of playing, yet sat out anyway because somebody hurt his feelers. And if he did it against one of the best coaches and organizations in the business when he was on the cusp of getting a supermax offer, why wouldn't he do it on the next team? And for the team that made him into what he's become, no less.

I've thought this too. If I were in the shoes of the prospective presidents/GM's who have the requisite assets, my biggest concern would be either his seeming lack of emotional investment in teammates, coaches, etc. that he's spent 6+ seasons around and practically won 2 championships with, or the inability to realize that they and anyone not being tribal more than likely perceives it that way.

If he's that disconnected with them, how would he be among people he's unfamiliar with and in a bigger media market?




Also, that Pistons pick is top-four protected, I think. So no chance of it moving up. Something like Harris, Boban and Beverly for Kawhi, Patty and the picks might be good, especially if the team can get ATL to take Pau for some draft compensation (like Pau and 18 for 33 or Pau and 13 for 30). Spurs could end up with two lotto picks, a decent starting SF in Harris and about $15-18 Million in cap space to attack the their roster weaknesses. Pretty good, all things considered.

That would be terrible value. Late lottery picks, a younger version of Gay and cap space for who? If they could only land one significant free agent when they had a lot going for them (and even then, it mostly happened because he considers this home), they'd have no chance at that point . . . and you claimed I was the one who thought they should money ball this.

[UZER]

Karma comes back in weird ways.

Pop being a dick all the time and so damn condescending anytime he’s questioned, bullshit injuries to rest players especially for national games, all his damn pointless coaching shtick that have gotten worse over time, part of me thinks it serves him right.

Kawhi is still being a bitch though.

[dbreiden83080]

This point is almost always overlooked. Kudos for bringing it up. I fucking hate the narrative that the Spurs or Spurs doctors caused this injury.

I have never heard of a player in the NBA missing an entire season with an injury that did not require surgery. He did not even make an actual attempt to get out there and play on this quad. 9 games is nothing, especially because he was on a minutes restriction, and not playing in back to back games. He was being babied coming back, and he pulled himself off the court. But did he have surgery after that? No.. Just more months of rehab. Rehabbing what? Again he came into camp hurt. Nothing has ever made common sense about any of this bullshit..

[daslicer]

Karma comes back in weird ways.

Pop being a dick all the time and so damn condescending anytime he’s questioned, bullshit injuries to rest players especially for national games, all his damn pointless coaching shtick that have gotten worse over time, part of me thinks it serves him right.

Kawhi is still being a bitch though.

Karma doesn't exist. You live long enough bad things will happen to you in some form.

[UZER]

Karma doesn't exist. You live long enough bad things will happen to you in some form.

It’s just an expression man.

[dbreiden83080]

Karma comes back in weird ways.

Pop being a dick all the time and so damn condescending anytime he’s questioned, bullshit injuries to rest players especially for national games, all his damn pointless coaching shtick that have gotten worse over time, part of me thinks it serves him right.

Kawhi is still being a bitch though.

Pop is stubborn but he has proven over and over he has a big heart, and is a good man. His biggest thing is the obvious feeling that the media is full of idiots all wasting his time. I mostly agree with that..

[objective]

The only trades they should make are for a top 2 pick this year, Ayton or Doncic.

If that doesn't fly, you force sit him all year and send him into free agency without having played in two years. Even better if he wants to keep rehabbing, suspend him for not reporting. Suspend him for conduct detrimental. Send him into free agency short a year of pay.

Even if he shows up, bench him still and send him away.

Don't screw around, and don't do other teams favors by taking peanuts.

Get value or get the most revenge you can.

Because without that top pick the team is set to spiral into a decade of trash and the lottery. RC and Pop will be long gone by the next time this team is a contender. Bring in Hinkie and get the process started. He was crap at talent evaluation but right in enough things.

No star free agent will ever give the Spurs extra consideration if they 'do right' by Kawhi. So do him wrong.

[daslicer]

The only trades they should make are for a top 2 pick this year, Ayton or Doncic.

If that doesn't fly, you force sit him all year and send him into free agency without having played in two years. Even better if he wants to keep rehabbing, suspend him for not reporting. Suspend him for conduct detrimental. Send him into free agency short a year of pay.

Even if he shows up, bench him still and send him away.

Don't screw around, and don't do other teams favors by taking peanuts.

Get value or get the most revenge you can.

Because without that top pick the team is set to spiral into a decade of trash and the lottery. RC and Pop will be long gone by the next time this team is a contender. Bring in Hinkie and get the process started. He was crap at talent evaluation but right in enough things.

No star free agent will ever give the Spurs extra consideration if they 'do right' by Kawhi. So do him wrong.

I like this line because it's very true. No marquee FA will ever consider SA like you said so there's no point about worrying how players around the league react to what happens to Kawhi.

[Spurtacular]

How long until we see some kawhi jersey burning footage

Never? Spurs fans ain't fanatics.

[SAGirl]

Karma doesn't exist. You live long enough bad things will happen to you in some form.
out of topic but true. Kudos to you... some wisdom.

[Kawhitstorm]

Fully expect his camp to lash out through their mouthpieces (Jalen, Cris Carter) after this Sunday afternoon roasting on national TV and twitter..

The only who actually got roasted is Pop at the hands of Kerr but tell us why you're mad besides Kawhi shattering your dreams...:king

[spursistan]

The only who actually got roasted is Pop at the hands of Kerr but tell us why you're mad besides Kawhi shattering your dreams...:king

I know it hurts bro since you have him in your account name..:lol.

This bitch is getting clowned like no other Spurs player/coach had ever been before..It sucks but it is what it is..We all get some people wrong in real life. He's turned out to be the biggest letdown in franchise history..

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[Kawhitstorm]

I know it hurts bro since you have him in your account name..:lol.

This bitch is getting clowned like no other Spurs player/coach ever been before..It sucks but it is what it is..We all get some people wrong in real life. He's turned to be the biggest letdown in franchise history..

985599259792871426

Pop is 1-9 in the postseason without Kawhi with 8 blowouts & 1 epic choke job:lol

Tim retired rather than playing for Pop-A-Bitch with one year left on his contract.:toast

Poop had to take Softridge out on a date to save face.:lmao

He should tank Trump otherwise he would be getting the Feel Jackson treatment.:sleep

[UZER]

Relationships get strained. Happens all the time in everyday life.

If Kawhi were to come back next year and bust his ass and openly say he owes to the team and fans specifically for what happened this season, whether it’s all his fault or not, and he balls out, it would be a great redemption story.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop is 1-9 in the postseason without Kawhi with 8 blowouts & 1 epic choke job:lol

Tim retired rather than playing for Pop-A-Bitch with one year left on his contract.:toast

Poop had to take Softridge out on a date to save face.:lmao

He should tank Trump otherwise he would be getting the Feel Jackson treatment.:sleep

:lol

[DPG21920]

That article from Jabari with that “people are saying they are mad that SA hasn’t done more to protect Kawhi’s rep”.


What????

[TD 21]

Relationships get strained. Happens all the time in everyday life.

If Kawhi were to come back next year and bust his ass and openly say he owes to the team and fans specifically for what happened this season, whether it’s all his fault or not, and he balls out, it would be a great redemption story.

Think that's mostly how this plays out, minus Leonard's saying that publicly. I'd expect to see it, in terms of play and for it to exist behind the scenes, through his actions.

Basically, if he's back and remains relatively healthy, I'd expect him to win MVP.

[Chinook]

Pop is 1-9 in the postseason without Kawhi with 8 blowouts & 1 epic choke job:lol

Pop has four fucking titles without Kawhi. You can rank Tim against Pop if you want, but Kawhi has no place at that table.

[SAGirl]

That article from Jabari with that “people are saying they are mad that SA hasn’t done more to protect Kawhi’s rep”.


What????
Reading between the lines: "Kiwi's uncle is mad bc SA hasn’t done more to protect Kawhi’s rep."

I don't know what more they could have done tbh. It's a very difficult situation they are in.

[Chinook]

That would be terrible value. Late lottery picks, a younger version of Gay and cap space for who? If they could only land one significant free agent when they had a lot going for them (and even then, it mostly happened because he considers this home), they'd have no chance at that point . . . and you claimed I was the one who thought they should money ball this.


That value is far and away better than Tatum and the Sac pick. The Spur may not be a contender without Kawhi, but they'd've been hosting a playoff series this year with Harris instead of nothing. I like two chances at this draft over a Kings pick which cannot be first-overall and could be as low as 30 if the SAC pick wins the lotto and Philly has the best record in the league. Huge downside, not a huge upside given the potential wait. Obviously, we've had the Tatum debate like a million times already. No reason to keep going there. But Beverly's contract is very good (old-CBA non-guaranteed expiring) and Boban is excellent ballast. When considering what the Celtics will need to use as ballast to make the numbers work, the total value gets even lower.

This completely ignores that LAC would likely offer all that for Kawhi and maybe more, while Boston is probably conservative enough to think the proposed deal is already too much. I could see a Clippers deal getting done quickly and quietly, with Woj reporting it right after the 12th pick is made. A Celtics deal would likely take days to complete, like a lot of stupid news articles going the whole time. Even if Ainge would eventually cave to this deal (which isn't enough in my opinion), he may miss his chance,

[SAGirl]

Think that's mostly how this plays out, minus Leonard's saying that publicly. I'd expect to see it, in terms of play and for it to exist behind the scenes, through his actions.

Basically, if he's back and remains relatively healthy, I'd expect him to win MVP.
Agreed. Kiwi's redemption story happens next season and he wins his supermax deal too, or he's simply done as an elite player... meaning chronic tendinopathy continues to sideline him in one form or another next year. It sucks if the latter happens for both the player and team but it is the scenario less talked about bc it's not interesting or juicy and ends with Kawhi in a state similar to Bosh. And unlike Bosh, he's not going to be charismatic enough to publicize his efforts to get back to playing. And his career as an elite player being over is just sad and tragic.

[DPG21920]

Reading between the lines: "Kiwi's uncle is mad bc SA hasn’t done more to protect Kawhi’s rep."

I don't know what more they could have done tbh. It's a very difficult situation they are in.

Kawhi left them to answer all the questions on his behalf. They let Kawhi get 2nd opinion, allowed him to go away from the team to rehab with his guys and have protected him from any media responsibility. They have done more than they should honestly.

Even the stuff people are mad at (TP interview, Pop, etc) are very innocent in the big scheme of things and are a direct result of SA protecting Kawhi from all media. They are getting peppered with questions when Kawhi himself is the one with the answers.

[CGD]

That value is far and away better than Tatum and the Sac pick. The Spur may not be a contender without Kawhi, but they'd've been hosting a playoff series this year with Harris instead of nothing. I like two chances at this draft over a Kings pick which cannot be first-overall and could be as low as 30 if the SAC pick wins the lotto and Philly has the best record in the league. Huge downside, not a huge upside given the potential wait. Obviously, we've had the Tatum debate like a million times already. No reason to keep going there. But Beverly's contract is very good (old-CBA non-guaranteed expiring) and Boban is excellent ballast. When considering what the Celtics will need to use as ballast to make the numbers work, the total value gets even lower.

This completely ignores that LAC would likely offer all that for Kawhi and maybe more, while Boston is probably conservative enough to think the proposed deal is already too much. I could see a Clippers deal getting done quickly and quietly, with Woj reporting it right after the 12th pick is made. A Celtics deal would likely take days to complete, like a lot of stupid news articles going the whole time. Even if Ainge would eventually cave to this deal (which isn't enough in my opinion), he may miss his chance,

This is spot on. I think folks overlook what you’ve discribed about the Sacto pick in particular.

Question is I’m not sure what else there is to extract from LAC; incredibly, so many of their own picks are encumbered/Stepien rule unmovable for years to come. Maybe a 2023 first when they might start to decline?

[apalisoc_9]

Pop is 1-9 in the postseason without Kawhi with 8 blowouts & 1 epic choke job:lol

Tim retired rather than playing for Pop-A-Bitch with one year left on his contract.:toast

Poop had to take Softridge out on a date to save face.:lmao

He should tank Trump otherwise he would be getting the Feel Jackson treatment.:sleep

Omg :lol

[Chinook]

This is spot on. I think folks overlook what you’ve discribed about the Sacto pick in particular.

Question is I’m not sure what else there is to extract from LAC; incredibly, so many of their own picks are encumbered/Stepien rule unmovable for years to come. Maybe a 2023 first when they might start to decline?

I'd do pick swaps. If Kawhi is healthy and whatnot, then they won't use them. But if he really is hurt or jumps to the Lakers or whatever, you could end up getting a good deal.

Real-talk though, the utility of the trade depends largely on who's at 12 and 13 and how much RC likes those players. He could find two guys with ROY potential there, but if he doesn't believe that much in those picks (and can't use them to get the guy(s) he wants) then the LAC trade has barely any value.

[CGD]

I'd do pick swaps. If Kawhi is healthy and whatnot, then they won't use them. But if he really is hurt or jumps to the Lakers or whatever, you could end up getting a good deal.

Real-talk though, the utility of the trade depends largely on who's at 12 and 13 and how much RC likes those players. He could find two guys with ROY potential there, but if he doesn't believe that much in those picks (and can't use them to get the guy(s) he wants) then the LAC trade has barely any value.

Yup, for every Kawhi for in that range there are 25 Chris Singletons.

Question: Can Clips even move their pick this year? It looks like they’cd committed to move their 2019 next year already, and I thought a team couldn’t move successive first rounders.

[DPG21920]

Yup, for every Kawhi for in that range there are 25 Chris Singletons.

Question: Can Clips even move their pick this year? It looks like they’cd committed to move their 2019 next year already, and I thought a team couldn’t move successive first rounders.

You can move successive first rounders; you just have to have a pick in that draft. So they could trade their own first round pick in 18, 19, 20 & 21 as long as they traded for picks in the first round from other teams in those years.

[TheDoctor]

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This "And the Spurs suggested too" doesn't add up to Pop's "You need to ask Kawhi and his group (when he's gonna be back)" :nope.

[DPG21920]

This "And the Spurs suggested too" doesn't add up to Pop's "You need to ask Kawhi and his group (when he's gonna be back)" :nope.

That was more talking about him playing. That is out of SAs hands.

[Chinook]

Yup, for every Kawhi for in that range there are 25 Chris Singletons.

Question: Can Clips even move their pick this year? It looks like they’cd committed to move their 2019 next year already, and I thought a team couldn’t move successive first rounders.

During the draft, that doesn't matter. The Spurs aren't trading for the pick; they are trading for the rights to whomever the Clips draft with that pick. So all that has to happen is SA tells LAC who they want drafted, LAC doesn't the drafting, and the swap happens.

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Kawhi left them to answer all the questions on his behalf. They let Kawhi get 2nd opinion, allowed him to go away from the team to rehab with his guys and have protected him from any media responsibility. They have done more than they should honestly.

Even the stuff people are mad at (TP interview, Pop, etc) are very innocent in the big scheme of things and are a direct result of SA protecting Kawhi from all media. They are getting peppered with questions when Kawhi himself is the one with the answers.

And imagine the difference had this happened in a NY or LA market. He would have been char dust.

But the Spurs didn't protect him good enough...lol

[CGD]

During the draft, that doesn't matter. The Spurs aren't trading for the pick; they are trading for the rights to whomever the Clips draft with that pick. So all that has to happen is SA tells LAC who they want drafted, LAC doesn't the drafting, and the swap happens.

Got it, that makes sense.

[spurs10]

985613172814958592 This is all that matters really. Also have you seen Pop's interview today? He is not upset about anything he says 'I've got the easiest job in the world! I ride around in a chartered jet that I don't pay for full of food and stuff...get taken to my room at the Four seasons, that I don't pay for. Then I have front row tickets to an NBA basketball game.'

He was not snarky at all. He meant it literally that he didn't know if he'd be coming there, as they hadn't made the out for the season call yet. Sounds to me like Kawhi was doing what he could to get back and they finally gave it up. Not the contentious bullshit many in the media are making it out to be. Also Jabari Young was plainly saying they were all communicating and supportive of the process.

[spurs10]

Also it says "league sources" were being critical of the Spurs, not Kawhi or his manager. People like that pot stirring asshole Jalen Rose.

[Ice009]

No star free agent will ever give the Spurs extra consideration if they 'do right' by Kawhi. So do him wrong.

What do you mean "if they do right by Kawhi"? Do you mean if the Spurs cater to what he wants no star free agent would find that a good thing?

[ceds]

supermax him and pray he accepts and gets his health back 100%

anything else & our days of contending are finished.

[BackHome]

Trade his fuck ass!!!

[AaronY]

I wonder if Kawhi would consider playing in the Summer League if that might be in his (or the Spurs') interest at some point . . .
Lmao are you for real?

[objective]

What do you mean "if they do right by Kawhi"? Do you mean if the Spurs cater to what he wants no star free agent would find that a good thing?

I'm saying it doesn't matter. LMA nearly signed with Phoenix when they were a repeated catastrophe and had players bad mouth the organization that very year on their way out.

People like to imagine that how organizations treat players matters greatly but it doesn't.

If it did, there wouldn't be any issues with Kawhi, now would there?

They've done everything for him. Pop talked him up as the future years before even a majority of Spurs fans did. He talked him up and celebrated him. Durant was calling him a system player, all the talking heads were downplaying him, but the Spurs had his back. Pop even talked him up as THE best player in the car whole league. What did it get the Spurs?

When he sprained his ankle in game 5, despite the criticism', Pop held him out to protect Kawhi's health. What did it get the Spurs?

They shielded him from the media, he never had to take the big media star in he didn't want to. What did it get the Spurs?

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?

If doing right by players, if treating Kawhi better and supporting him better than any other team could means so much ... Why is Kawhi doing everything a player could to screw a team over?

Not being with the team, leaving the city for months, getting his own medical team, refusing to talk, having people in his sphere talking trash to the media on his behalf.

If his goal was to screw the Spurs over by simultaneously tanking his value, dividing the team and destroying locker room chemistry, dissuading possible suitors from non-huge markets from even bidding with leaks, and ruining the reputation of a coach near retirement ... then Kawhi is doing a magnificent job!

I'd give him an A+ in franchise killing

[Stabula]

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?


:lol

[Ice009]

OK, great explanation. I get your point now. If after all that the Spurs have done for him and if he really is doing what some people are thinking he's doing, then yeah, I guess it doesn't matter how you treat players.

I guess we will have to wait and see after the season is over if he really is going to try and screw the Spurs over. I hope he doesn't screw the Spurs over and force a trade. I hope he heals and I hope he stays with the Spurs and dominates next season.

[Stabula]

Kawhi isn't ever going to heal. You don't ever really heal from shit like this unless maybe he takes stem cell therapy.

[duncan2k5]

if he was only injured he'd be sitting behind the bench at a playoff game supporting his guys. It's clear this has become much more than a thigh bruise. It's an entire complex that he has. Probably with anxiety to show up in front of the team that he has already abandoned

U mean show up for a team openly criticizing an injured player than played his ass off for them every year... Imagine I carried ur bum asses to a 23 point lead VS the warriors that u couldn't even close out for one game... Only to have u doubt that my WELL DOCUMENTED thigh bruise issue that I had for YEARS is a fake injury, and I'm purposefully sitting out... I'd be pissed too and wouldn't wanna be round ur old bum asses until u retire

[duncan2k5]

Glad he's at least dispelled the speculation that it was the Spurs that asked him to stay away. That was not just baseless but ridiculous to me, no disrespect meant to anyone who speculated that was a hypothetical reason since the situation is so weird.

But in another report that just came out, he said that the Spurs asked Kawhi to stay in NY to rehab... See? Now imagine how Kawhi’s camp feels when they hear this bipolar nonsense

[duncan2k5]

Pretty much sums it up :tu..

Dude nuked his value in 9 months..

Exactly... Which is why he is actually hurt... If you dumbfucks can see this is hurting his value, u don't think him and his team realize it?

[duncan2k5]

i still dont get why... he doesnt wanna play for Pop? they pushed him too hard? i cant imagine kawhi having an opinion on anything beyond what he wants for breakfast that morning. he says nothing. we know so little about him.

someone must be in his ear. what other logical reason is there. this shit is embarrassing

There is one logical reason... He is injured... Especially after what we saw those 9 games... How the fuck something so obvious is completely dismissed is baffling to me...

[duncan2k5]

I am not clear how he could be hurt when he has not played ball all year long? He was hurt after a summer of rest apparently. Maybe pro basketball is not his thing. He should take up Water Polo.. Something easy on the legs..

He did play... But ur not a spurs fan so u wouldn't know

[duncan2k5]

I have never heard of a player in the NBA missing an entire season with an injury that did not require surgery. He did not even make an actual attempt to get out there and play on this quad. 9 games is nothing, especially because he was on a minutes restriction, and not playing in back to back games. He was being babied coming back, and he pulled himself off the court. But did he have surgery after that? No.. Just more months of rehab. Rehabbing what? Again he came into camp hurt. Nothing has ever made common sense about any of this bullshit..

Did u not see how he looked during and after games? He shouldn't have been playing

[duncan2k5]

This is all that matters really. Also have you seen Pop's interview today? He is not upset about anything he says 'I've got the easiest job in the world! I ride around in a chartered jet that I don't pay for full of food and stuff...get taken to my room at the Four seasons, that I don't pay for. Then I have front row tickets to an NBA basketball game.'

He was not snarky at all. He meant it literally that he didn't know if he'd be coming there, as they hadn't made the out for the season call yet. Sounds to me like Kawhi was doing what he could to get back and they finally gave it up. Not the contentious bullshit many in the media are making it out to be. Also Jabari Young was plainly saying they were all communicating and supportive of the process.

Voice of fucking reason

[duncan2k5]

I'm saying it doesn't matter. LMA nearly signed with Phoenix when they were a repeated catastrophe and had players bad mouth the organization that very year on their way out.

People like to imagine that how organizations treat players matters greatly but it doesn't.

If it did, there wouldn't be any issues with Kawhi, now would there?

They've done everything for him. Pop talked him up as the future years before even a majority of Spurs fans did. He talked him up and celebrated him. Durant was calling him a system player, all the talking heads were downplaying him, but the Spurs had his back. Pop even talked him up as THE best player in the car whole league. What did it get the Spurs?

When he sprained his ankle in game 5, despite the criticism', Pop held him out to protect Kawhi's health. What did it get the Spurs?

They shielded him from the media, he never had to take the big media star in he didn't want to. What did it get the Spurs?

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?

If doing right by players, if treating Kawhi better and supporting him better than any other team could means so much ... Why is Kawhi doing everything a player could to screw a team over?

Not being with the team, leaving the city for months, getting his own medical team, refusing to talk, having people in his sphere talking trash to the media on his behalf.

If his goal was to screw the Spurs over by simultaneously tanking his value, dividing the team and destroying locker room chemistry, dissuading possible suitors from non-huge markets from even bidding with leaks, and ruining the reputation of a coach near retirement ... then Kawhi is doing a magnificent job!

I'd give him an A+ in franchise killing

So much nonsense in here, my head hurts... Literally nothing u said was true... Quite the feat, tbh...

[tholdren]

Mellllllllllttttttttttttt doooooowwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn

[SAGirl]

I'm saying it doesn't matter. LMA nearly signed with Phoenix when they were a repeated catastrophe and had players bad mouth the organization that very year on their way out.

People like to imagine that how organizations treat players matters greatly but it doesn't.

If it did, there wouldn't be any issues with Kawhi, now would there?

They've done everything for him. Pop talked him up as the future years before even a majority of Spurs fans did. He talked him up and celebrated him. Durant was calling him a system player, all the talking heads were downplaying him, but the Spurs had his back. Pop even talked him up as THE best player in the car whole league. What did it get the Spurs?

When he sprained his ankle in game 5, despite the criticism', Pop held him out to protect Kawhi's health. What did it get the Spurs?

They shielded him from the media, he never had to take the big media star in he didn't want to. What did it get the Spurs?

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?

If doing right by players, if treating Kawhi better and supporting him better than any other team could means so much ... Why is Kawhi doing everything a player could to screw a team over?

Not being with the team, leaving the city for months, getting his own medical team, refusing to talk, having people in his sphere talking trash to the media on his behalf.

If his goal was to screw the Spurs over by simultaneously tanking his value, dividing the team and destroying locker room chemistry, dissuading possible suitors from non-huge markets from even bidding with leaks, and ruining the reputation of a coach near retirement ... then Kawhi is doing a magnificent job!

I'd give him an A+ in franchise killing
Good post. Flies in the face of posters like d2k5 and ygwhi who make every excuse imaginable for Kawhi and the fair amount of trolling that’s always shown in Pops direction in this forum. However failing to manage Kawhi’s reputation and exposure to the media is not a Pop sin. They have really basically bent over to accommodate every request that will make him comfortable in the management of his injury. I understand the fan that’s in denial that a rift even exists. I am quite moderate in thinking that things aren’t peachy, but I still hope they can be mended.

[DaBears]

Pop purposefully antagonizing an injured player because he wants to send off manu and parker in a blaze of glory at Kawhi's expense

Really that’s what you believe..

[Kawhitstorm]

Pop has four fucking titles without Kawhi. You can rank Tim against Pop if you want, but Kawhi has no place at that table.

He cost Tim at least 2 more, his bitch ass lost 50 games before Tim saved his career & will never win a playoff series without a 1st ballot HOFer:sleep

[YGWHI]

Reading between the lines: "Kiwi's uncle is mad bc SA hasn’t done more to protect Kawhi’s rep."

I don't know what more they could have done tbh. It's a very difficult situation they are in.


Good post. Flies in the face of posters like d2k5 and ygwhi who make every excuse imaginable for Kawhi and the fair amount of trolling that’s always shown in Pops direction in this forum. However failing to manage Kawhi’s reputation and exposure to the media is not a Pop sin. They have really basically bent over to accommodate every request that will make him comfortable in the management of his injury. I understand the fan that’s in denial that a rift even exists. I am quite moderate in thinking that things aren’t peachy, but I still hope they can be mended.

It's a Pop sin if he doesn't tell the truth.

If a player traveled with team' staff to rehab in other city, if the player has said he talks with the coach almost every day, the coach can't say he doesn't know a shit about..."Ask his group" when he already knows what's going on...

[Clipper Nation]

It's a Pop sin if he doesn't tell the truth.

If a player traveled with team' staff to rehab in other city, if the player has said he talks with the coach almost every day, the coach can't say he doesn't know a shit about..."Ask his group" when he already knows what's going on...
Poop is clearly running Kawhi out of town for the sake of his own ego, tbh.

[Play Boban]

I can’t beleive Kawhi spends so much time posting on here. :lol

[Ice009]

Yeah, I don't like the sounds of that. If the Spurs have personnel there with him, and Pop keeps saying to ask his group, then that's not good. If a decision has been made, I wonder if it's the Spurs that made it (they are ready to trade him), or Kawhi has made it (he's asked to be traded)? I hope neither have made either of those decisions, but what reason would Pop have to keep bad-mouthing him if he knows what's going on?

[E20]

Fuck Kawhi and his bruised pussy. Hopefully his uncle screws him over and takes all his money

[spursistan]

985611869372239875

[Chillen]

If he's not at any of the home games vs Warriors that's all you need to know. I would expect him to be traded in the next few months. He may be injured but the injury isn't bad enough to keep him from doing normal things people do everyday. So sitting on the Spurs bench is possible.

[spursistan]

I'm saying it doesn't matter. LMA nearly signed with Phoenix when they were a repeated catastrophe and had players bad mouth the organization that very year on their way out.

People like to imagine that how organizations treat players matters greatly but it doesn't.

If it did, there wouldn't be any issues with Kawhi, now would there?

They've done everything for him. Pop talked him up as the future years before even a majority of Spurs fans did. He talked him up and celebrated him. Durant was calling him a system player, all the talking heads were downplaying him, but the Spurs had his back. Pop even talked him up as THE best player in the car whole league. What did it get the Spurs?

When he sprained his ankle in game 5, despite the criticism', Pop held him out to protect Kawhi's health. What did it get the Spurs?

They shielded him from the media, he never had to take the big media star in he didn't want to. What did it get the Spurs?

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?

If doing right by players, if treating Kawhi better and supporting him better than any other team could means so much ... Why is Kawhi doing everything a player could to screw a team over?

Not being with the team, leaving the city for months, getting his own medical team, refusing to talk, having people in his sphere talking trash to the media on his behalf.

If his goal was to screw the Spurs over by simultaneously tanking his value, dividing the team and destroying locker room chemistry, dissuading possible suitors from non-huge markets from even bidding with leaks, and ruining the reputation of a coach near retirement ... then Kawhi is doing a magnificent job!

I'd give him an A+ in franchise killing

Objective with the truth nukes :wow :tu..

[Vito Corleone]

Can anyone imagine what the outrage would be if he did this in LA or NY?

They'd set his car on fire, with him in it.

[FvckMavs]

I'm saying it doesn't matter. LMA nearly signed with Phoenix when they were a repeated catastrophe and had players bad mouth the organization that very year on their way out.

People like to imagine that how organizations treat players matters greatly but it doesn't.

If it did, there wouldn't be any issues with Kawhi, now would there?

They've done everything for him. Pop talked him up as the future years before even a majority of Spurs fans did. He talked him up and celebrated him. Durant was calling him a system player, all the talking heads were downplaying him, but the Spurs had his back. Pop even talked him up as THE best player in the car whole league. What did it get the Spurs?

When he sprained his ankle in game 5, despite the criticism', Pop held him out to protect Kawhi's health. What did it get the Spurs?

They shielded him from the media, he never had to take the big media star in he didn't want to. What did it get the Spurs?

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?

If doing right by players, if treating Kawhi better and supporting him better than any other team could means so much ... Why is Kawhi doing everything a player could to screw a team over?

Not being with the team, leaving the city for months, getting his own medical team, refusing to talk, having people in his sphere talking trash to the media on his behalf.

If his goal was to screw the Spurs over by simultaneously tanking his value, dividing the team and destroying locker room chemistry, dissuading possible suitors from non-huge markets from even bidding with leaks, and ruining the reputation of a coach near retirement ... then Kawhi is doing a magnificent job!

I'd give him an A+ in franchise killing

Truth bomb.

[cd98]

I'd be fine with Kawhi if he'd have just bowed out and said he wasn't going to be healthy enough to play this year. Just be up front and report to the media so we don't speculate. It's the mystery that has clouded this whole thing that has got most of the fans frustrated.

[Old School 44]

If his goal was to screw the Spurs over by simultaneously tanking his value, dividing the team and destroying locker room chemistry, dissuading possible suitors from non-huge markets from even bidding with leaks, and ruining the reputation of a coach near retirement ... then Kawhi is doing a magnificent job!

I'd give him an A+ in franchise killing

Sadly, kind of reminds me of the Jerry Sloan/Deron Williams.

[exstatic]

Yeah, I don't like the sounds of that. If the Spurs have personnel there with him, and Pop keeps saying to ask his group, then that's not good. If a decision has been made, I wonder if it's the Spurs that made it (they are ready to trade him), or Kawhi has made it (he's asked to be traded)? I hope neither have made either of those decisions, but what reason would Pop have to keep badmouthing him if he knows what's going on?

I don't consider what Pop is doing to be 'bad mouthing'. He's simply pointing the questions of his return to those making the decision over whether Kawhi plays or not: his group. He's actually showing great restraint by NOT openly bad mouthing Kawhi or his group.

The Group was always going under the microscope once the scope of the media went national for the playoffs. They wouldn't be dealing with the local SA 'softball' media any more. They didn't plan it very well, or act proactively by releasing some sort of statement before game one, and they got slammed. Not Pop's fault.

[exstatic]

Sadly, kind of reminds me of the Jerry Sloan/Deron Williams.

Utah actually came out of that quite well, because they didn't F around once they realized the situation was irrevocably broken. They pulled the trigger on a trade at the soonest opportunity. I think the Spurs had their 'aha' moment when he fled back to NY for the second time. That's why I think they'll field offers and pull the trigger, either at the draft, or early in the FA window. I don't see Kawhi being a Spur by 15 July.

[Brazil]

985580237487456257

holy fuck

His group

Pop is mad as hell!

[FvckMavs]

Utah actually came out of that quite well, because they didn't F around once they realized the situation was irrevocably broken. They pulled the trigger on a trade at the soonest opportunity. I think the Spurs had their 'aha' moment when he fled back to NY for the second time. That's why I think they'll field offers and pull the trigger, either at the draft, or early in the FA window. I don't see Kawhi being a Spur by 15 July.

So fucking tired of this shit. Just trade his ass and move on.

[sammy]

:lmao (The Snake with the last words)

:lol:lol

[sammy]

Bruh I named one of my dogs Kawhi. He's had that name for almost 2 years. Don't know wtf I'm going to do if he bolts smh. No joke that is actually of my main concerns in all of this. :lol

:rollin:rollin

[exstatic]

holy fuck

His group

Pop is mad as hell!

Pop didn't seem mad, more resigned than anything else. He's just not giving Kawhi cover any more. He is legit pointing the questions to where they need to go.

[Ice009]

I don't consider what Pop is doing to be 'bad mouthing'. He's simply pointing the questions of his return to those making the decision over whether Kawhi plays or not: his group. He's actually showing great restraint by NOT openly bad mouthing Kawhi or his group.

The Group was always going under the microscope once the scope of the media went national for the playoffs. They wouldn't be dealing with the local SA 'softball' media any more. They didn't plan it very well, or act proactively by releasing some sort of statement before game one, and they got slammed. Not Pop's fault.

Fair enough. I guess he is just telling the truth and the people that should be answering those questions is Kawhi's group, not Pop.

[sammy]

Say whatever you want about Pop but if he the GOAT man-manager-- as well-spoken as he is-- gets triggered like that, you know it is a lost cause.

We are basically talking about a player hijacking by his camp. At this point, it is legitimate to ask whether Kawhi is suffering from a mental issue (anxiety, hypochondria..etc) that's enabling all of this..

It just so weird. I have never seen any player who had quit on team behave like this. So little effort being put at just pretending otherwise..

"his group" are ballsy MFer. They better be sure he will be back to his MVP-level for his new team, because his baggage is so fuckin' toxic.

Great post!:toast
Totally disappointed in Kawhi! Leaving his team out to dry and not even supporting them by being on the bench. Whoever he's listening to is ruining his reputation and career! He will lose money for this crap! What a shame!

[sammy]

:lmao
wow
:flag:

:lol:lol

[sammy]

I'm saying it doesn't matter. LMA nearly signed with Phoenix when they were a repeated catastrophe and had players bad mouth the organization that very year on their way out.

People like to imagine that how organizations treat players matters greatly but it doesn't.

If it did, there wouldn't be any issues with Kawhi, now would there?

They've done everything for him. Pop talked him up as the future years before even a majority of Spurs fans did. He talked him up and celebrated him. Durant was calling him a system player, all the talking heads were downplaying him, but the Spurs had his back. Pop even talked him up as THE best player in the car whole league. What did it get the Spurs?

When he sprained his ankle in game 5, despite the criticism', Pop held him out to protect Kawhi's health. What did it get the Spurs?

They shielded him from the media, he never had to take the big media star in he didn't want to. What did it get the Spurs?

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?

If doing right by players, if treating Kawhi better and supporting him better than any other team could means so much ... Why is Kawhi doing everything a player could to screw a team over?

Not being with the team, leaving the city for months, getting his own medical team, refusing to talk, having people in his sphere talking trash to the media on his behalf.

If his goal was to screw the Spurs over by simultaneously tanking his value, dividing the team and destroying locker room chemistry, dissuading possible suitors from non-huge markets from even bidding with leaks, and ruining the reputation of a coach near retirement ... then Kawhi is doing a magnificent job!

I'd give him an A+ in franchise killing

Excellent Post Objective! :bobo

What can Pop do when the guy doesn't speak? Send the media to ask Kawhi or his people? This is disgraceful that he won't even sit with the team! If you're hurt, then we will understand but this BS of not saying anything and letting your team down by not being with them says it all! Your people are ruining your reputation!

[YGWHI]

Whoever he's listening to is ruining his reputation and career!
Nah..The only thing that could ruin his career is his quad.

If he's able to heal and play at great level again for any other teams, no one will care about what happened this season.


He will lose money for this crap!
And the Spurs too. Don't forget about that. If he loses his trade-value, the Spurs are fucked.

[offset formation]

Pop didn't seem mad, more resigned than anything else. He's just not giving Kawhi cover any more. He is legit pointing the questions to where they need to go.

I think you can see he's done with the whole drama. I just cannot see this getting patched up. Pop doesn't like guys doing diva like things. Having your own group and doctors and such, will not fit into his view of being a good teammate.

And I agree with him about that.

[DPG21920]

Nah..The only thing that could ruin his career is his quad.

If he's able to heal and play at great level again for any other teams, no one will care about what happened this season.


And the Spurs too. Don't forget about that. If he loses his trade-value, the Spurs are fucked.

Do you think Kawhi has done anything wrong or handled any of this poorly?

Also, do you you think SA should offer the SuperMax with no stipulations?

[lefty]

Go Kawhi
Go Kawhi

:lol Sperms

[stu scotts eye]

I really liked Stu. If you aren't dissing the man, I love your sig! In spite of myself I have to laugh every time I see your posts (which are too infrequent).

Haha. Not dissing the man at all. I've received my share of laughs over the yr since this has been my handle/fantasy sports name for some time.

Yeah. I'd argue ive watched more Spurs bball than most here, since my family had season tickets back in the Hemisphere arena. But due to my lower post count ppl dont know that, but I've never been a messageboard guy anyway, especially this forum seems to be just a bunch of BS nowadays.

Just pop in once in awhile to see if Kori and Timvp are back haha.

[davidbowie]

985269143317262336

[spursistan]

985269143317262336
the butt of NBA twitter jokes :depressed..

This nigga better have a something like a '03 Duncan/'11 Dirk playoff run in him..Otherwise, he is never coming back from this travesty..

Nothing sticks more on an NBA player than a soft reputation..

[Old School 44]

Utah actually came out of that quite well, because they didn't F around once they realized the situation was irrevocably broken. They pulled the trigger on a trade at the soonest opportunity. I think the Spurs had their 'aha' moment when he fled back to NY for the second time. That's why I think they'll field offers and pull the trigger, either at the draft, or early in the FA window. I don't see Kawhi being a Spur by 15 July.

Yep...I just wonder what they could possibly get for him now. The not knowing about the severity of his injury. The perceived disrespect for his teammates and his contract. There's so much at stake I think for both sides to somewhat play nice, even if that "nice" is not saying anything. Kawhi's camp knows they are going up against probably the most respected/connected coach and team in the NBA. Also, Pop is trying to protect the Spurs legacy and future. Not to mention, he's slated to coach team USA. I wonder how the Olympics would play out if Pop tore into Kawhi and his group? I say get as much as you can by trading him out East. Unless someone in the West is offering a Herschel Walker-type trade, I wouldn't do Kawhi any favors.

[boutons_deux]

What a tragedy for Kawhi, falling from the top of the NBA down to a joke

Either bad advice or he was just too naive to figure shit out.

[DaBears]

What a tragedy for Kawhi, falling from the top of the NBA down to a joke

Either bad advice or he was just too naive to figure shit out.

We all love a great comeback story....... Just think of the headlines........ It will take some time & 1 hell of a public address from Kiwi & or his camp, if he somehow figured out a way to patch things up & rejoin the SPURS next season..

[spursistan]

What a tragedy for Kawhi, falling from the top of the NBA down to a joke

Either bad advice or he was just too naive to figure shit out.

I don't think you could have scripted a worse nightmare scenario . From the "quite assassin" to a meme of cowardice, softness and quitting.

How the fuck did it come down to this?

[davidbowie]

How long until we see some kawhi jersey burning footage

well it started. we are just like every other franchise. duncan era officially over.

985936729117995008

[spursistan]

^^ And yes I totally believe MaNu4Tres (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5714) on the the uncle pulling the strings or at least most of them. And at that, he is an amateur dumbfuck with Kawhi, though not totally innocent, proving to be a gullible patsy.

The guy can't just string a couple of sentences together and you want me to believe he is the sole architect of his own downfall..

[Keepin' it real]

Say whatever you want about Pop but if he the GOAT man-manager-- as well-spoken as he is-- gets triggered like that, you know it is a lost cause.

We are basically talking about a player hijacking by his camp. At this point, it is legitimate to ask whether Kawhi is suffering from a mental issue (anxiety, hypochondria..etc) that's enabling all of this..

Respectfully, a few of us have been saying this for months, and it was legit back then, too. Welcome to the party!

[DaBears]

I don't think you could have scripted a worse nightmare scenario . From the "quite assassin" to a meme of cowardice, softness and quitting.

How the fuck did it come down to this?

Worse scenario, he could have just signed the SM and then in the 1st 5 minutes of preseason suffer a careering injury..... Never to play again... That would suck........

[DaBears]

It all started when we went out and got LMA... Not that he is a bad player, but he is not the system player we needed. he changed how we been running things. then there was the Pau G. signing ( garbage signing )..

[spursistan]

Worse scenario, he could have just signed the SM and then in the 1st 5 minutes of preseason suffer a careering injury..... Never to play again... That would suck........

I'm speaking reputation-wise..This is about the biggest hit on him as one could've imagined..

[SpurPadre]

It all started when we went out and got LMA... Not that he is a bad player, but he is not the system player we needed. he changed how we been running things. then there was the Pau G. signing ( garbage signing )..

Durant thinks we already have the system player we need, tbh:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqQOXnoIYAA2xG5.jpg

[DaBears]

I'm speaking reputation-wise..This is about the biggest hit on him as one could've imagined..

So be it... FANS & I mean all fans are pretty much suffer from short term memory loss.. IF he comes out and apologies signs an extension with the SPURS, addresses the media.. I am sure all will be forgotten and forgiven.

[bklynspursfan]

985934663498657792


Injured New Orleans Pelicans center DeMarcus Cousins recently relocated back to his off-season home of Las Vegas to continue his six-day per week rehabilitation regimen from his torn Achilles' tendon injury, a source told ESPN's The Undefeated. The four-time NBA All-Star hopes to attend an upcoming Pelicans playoff game, but the source said such is difficult due to his rehab.

Cousins doing similar to Kawhi fwiw.

[BackHome]

Cousins had Surgery to repair a Torn ACL. As far as Kawhi he didn’t tear anything no surgeries just inflammation wink wink. As far as the news it’s only going to get worse the less he says the worse he is going to make it.

[weebo]

Nah..The only thing that could ruin his career is his quad.

If he's able to heal and play at great level again for any other teams, no one will care about what happened this season.


And the Spurs too. Don't forget about that. If he loses his trade-value, the Spurs are fucked.

Seriously bro. You need to quit your shit. I was on KL side initially but just abandoning your teammates like that says a lot about the guy's character. If you're hurt and can't play so be it...but damn be there for the guys in that locker room. At the very least you can show that you're willing to go down with the ship with them..

[DaBears]

Cousins had Surgery to repair a Torn ACL. As far as Kawhi he didn’t tear anything no surgeries just inflammation wink wink. As far as the news it’s only going to get worse the less he says the worse he is going to make it.

That tweet was more info than we got from kiwi..

[SpurPadre]

So, I live in the SF Bay Area, and was listening to a local sports radio station here where Klay Thompson was doing an interview. He was asked about Kawhi and he said he talked to some unnamed Spurs players about him. He said to a man that they knew about as much as he did. He went on to say it's none of his business but that he's glad at least Curry is able to be on the sidelines to support them. Another shot at Bitch Made Leonard tbh.

[RD2191]

So, I live in the SF Bay Area, and was listening to a local sports radio station here where Klay Thompson was doing an interview. He was asked about Kawhi and he said he talked to some unnamed Spurs players about him. He said to a man that they knew about as much as he did. He went on to say it's none of his business but that he's glad at least Curry is able to be on the sidelines to support them. Another shot at Bitch Made Leonard tbh.

Lol. Stick to povertyball you 3rd world bum.

[exstatic]

985934663498657792



Cousins doing similar to Kawhi fwiw.

Cousins actually has an injury.

[sasaint]

Haha. Not dissing the man at all. I've received my share of laughs over the yr since this has been my handle/fantasy sports name for some time.

Yeah. I'd argue ive watched more Spurs bball than most here, since my family had season tickets back in the Hemisphere arena. But due to my lower post count ppl dont know that, but I've never been a messageboard guy anyway, especially this forum seems to be just a bunch of BS nowadays.

Just pop in once in awhile to see if Kori and Timvp are back haha.

After I first joined the board I just lurked, gleaning a lot of really good info. It was where I always went first for reliable info and good takes. I am not sure why I chose not to post then but do now.

Here's to Stu and his eye! :toast

[davidbowie]

985988183396700162

:downspin::depressed

[BackHome]

Man that would be sick if Philly was able to do that.

But not doing that trade unless I get Philly 10th pick and Darco Saric, Robert Covington, and also their 38th second round pick. Oh and they take Gasol or Mills

[r0drig0lac]

Man that would be sick if Philly was able to do that.

But not doing that trade unless I get Philly 10th pick and Darco Saric, Robert Covington, and also their 38th second round pick. Oh and they take Gasol or Mills

agree

[JohnnyMax]

https://instagram.com/p/BhpTs3RBmyC

[cd021]

Also, that Pistons pick is top-four protected, I think. So no chance of it moving up. Something like Harris, Boban and Beverly for Kawhi, Patty and the picks might be good, especially if the team can get ATL to take Pau for some draft compensation (like Pau and 18 for 33 or Pau and 13 for 30). Spurs could end up with two lotto picks, a decent starting SF in Harris and about $15-18 Million in cap space to attack the their roster weaknesses. Pretty good, all things considered.

I think the Clippers could technically offer up their 2019 pick that is owned by Boston. It's lottery protected so if the Clippers miss the playoffs then they keep their pick but they can reroute it, in that case, to San Antonio.

Lowe mentioned that this was technically possible when talking about another trade a while ago but it would give the Clippers three lottery picks and Tobias Harris to offer.

I don't know if their's a way to complete a sign and trade for Bradley in a deal involving Kawhi
(Tobias Harris, the 12th & 13th pick, and Bradley for Mills and Kawhi)

but that might be another option too.

[TD 21]

That value is far and away better than Tatum and the Sac pick. The Spur may not be a contender without Kawhi, but they'd've been hosting a playoff series this year with Harris instead of nothing. I like two chances at this draft over a Kings pick which cannot be first-overall and could be as low as 30 if the SAC pick wins the lotto and Philly has the best record in the league. Huge downside, not a huge upside given the potential wait. Obviously, we've had the Tatum debate like a million times already. No reason to keep going there. But Beverly's contract is very good (old-CBA non-guaranteed expiring) and Boban is excellent ballast. When considering what the Celtics will need to use as ballast to make the numbers work, the total value gets even lower.

This completely ignores that LAC would likely offer all that for Kawhi and maybe more, while Boston is probably conservative enough to think the proposed deal is already too much. I could see a Clippers deal getting done quickly and quietly, with Woj reporting it right after the 12th pick is made. A Celtics deal would likely take days to complete, like a lot of stupid news articles going the whole time. Even if Ainge would eventually cave to this deal (which isn't enough in my opinion), he may miss his chance,

Every season is its own separate entity. I don't care what likely would have happened this season had they had Harris, I care about whether this trade would best set the franchise up for the future and I don't believe it would. The likelihood is, they'd end up with no foundational piece and get on the treadmill of mediocrity which is literally the one thing that can't happen.

The Clippers don't really have more to offer but I agree that the Celtics probably don't go far beyond Tatum and the Kings pick.

[cd021]

Man that would be sick if Philly was able to do that.

But not doing that trade unless I get Philly 10th pick and Darco Saric, Robert Covington, and also their 38th second round pick. Oh and they take Gasol or Mills


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agree



Covington, Saric, Justin Anderson, the 10th and 26th picks and the draft rights Anzejs Pasecnicks & Jonah Bolden,

for Kawhi and Mills.

Math should work but would need to be completed before July 1st to take advantage of Covington's $16.7 million salary.


Spurs get the 10th, 26th, to go along with the 18th pick plus to quality prospects in Pasecnicks & Jonah Bolden- I especially like Pasecnicks but Bolden is very intriguing too. Anderson is a throw in to make the numbers works but not a bad player either and, of course, Saric is good too.

[cd021]

the butt of NBA twitter jokes :depressed..

This nigga better have a something like a '03 Duncan/'11 Dirk playoff run in him..Otherwise, he is never coming back from this travesty..

Nothing sticks more on an NBA player than a soft reputation..

People still hate Dwight because of the Orlando Magic situation tbh this could potentially haunt Kawhi

[TD 21]

Covington, Saric, Justin Anderson, the 10th and 26th picks and the draft rights Anzejs Pasecnicks & Jonah Bolden,

for Kawhi and Mills.

Math should work but would need to be completed before July 1st to take advantage of Covington's $16.7 million salary.


Spurs get the 10th, 26th, to go along with the 18th pick plus to quality prospects in Pasecnicks & Jonah Bolden- I especially like Pasecnicks but Bolden is very intriguing too. Anderson is a throw in to make the numbers works but not a bad player either and, of course, Saric is good too.

Think the Spurs would want Fultz, Saric and Covington. Think the 76ers would only give up one of Saric or Covington, preferably the latter. Think Spurs would prefer the former, then counter with Luwawu-Cabarrot and another asset or two in place of Covington. Fultz would have to be in it, but he's a significant risk. If his broken jumper/mental block persists, this package most likely wouldn't return a future star (unless they strike gold with a pick).

The more I think about it though, with Brown and Tatum rapidly developing, the Celtics' stinginess and the prospect of 4 massive contracts, if push comes to shove, the 76ers might be the most likely destination. In addition to their assets and being out of conference, as you alluded to, they've also got the cap space to absorb an unwanted contract. Unfortunately, Spurs would probably retain Mills. However misguided, they'd likely see his culture carrying as even more important after this fiasco and with the team trending younger.

[bklynspursfan]

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I get some of the frustration, but the way some of you guys are dogging him is kind of lame.

[ace3g]

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[DPG21920]

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I get some of the frustration, but the way some of you guys are dogging him is kind of lame.

People are dogging the Spurs equally as much. It sucks but it was caused by a lack of communication. Why didn’t Kawhi, in the face of these “rumors” just come out and say “SA and I are on the same page and me rehabbing away from the team is no indication of my feelings towards my team and future with SA”.

[bklynspursfan]

People are dogging the Spurs equally as much. It sucks but it was caused by a lack of communication. Why didn’t Kawhi, in the face of these “rumors” just come out and say “SA and I are on the same page and me rehabbing away from the team is no indication of my feelings towards my team and future with SA”.

I think we've got certain expectations of these guys, myself included. I agree him coming out would have clarified things, but he did speak out and give that interview last month and say he wanted to remain a Spur.

The problem is when rumorville starts from social media/ESPN and we're hearing all these things. I mean that's kinda new territory for us, and Kawhi is even more closed off then TD was, so there's no assurance.

I just am at the point where im assuming he'll remain a Spur until I hear from his group or Woj, /Shams etc... That he no longer wants to, and try and ignore the other noise

[DPG21920]

The entire time the only thing I question was how Kawhi detached himself from his team. Even beyond the public comments, if you weren’t going to do that while watching your teammates squirm while handling those questions on your behalf, be engaged and present.

I think he’s injured. I think SA’s doctors didn’t do anything wrong. He could play if he wanted to, but it would be at less than 100%. I think SA’s doctors thought it would not get any worse or threaten his career.

I also think his doctors have not done much better and he went from being close 2 months ago to being out for the year. It proves (hopefully to him) that it’s not SAs doctors but a really tricky injury.

I have yet to see any evidence that his doctors found something that SA’s doctors missed. It was more of a question of the rehab process and pain tolerance.

The only issue I have been consistent on is I am disappointed that he broke the bonds of being a teammate in the face of being injured/frustrated. That’s it on my end and I think it’s a fair criticism.

[DPG21920]

I think we've got certain expectations of these guys, myself included. I agree him coming out would have clarified things, but he did speak out and give that interview last month and say he wanted to remain a Spur.

The problem is when rumorville starts from social media/ESPN and we're hearing all these things. I mean that's kinda new territory for us, and Kawhi is even more closed off then TD was, so there's no assurance.

I just am at the point where im assuming he'll remain a Spur until I hear from his group or Woj, /Shams etc... That he no longer wants to, and try and ignore the other noise

Totally fair. I’ve said, despite my objections on how he’s handled things, that the likely course is him extending. Makes too much sense all things considered and when evaluated I don’t see how anything could have happened (logically) that would drive that large of wedge when evaluated by a rational person.

[tholdren]

The entire time the only thing I question was how Kawhi detached himself from his team. Even beyond the public comments, if you weren’t going to do that while watching your teammates squirm while handling those questions on your behalf, be engaged and present.

I think he’s injured. I think SA’s doctors didn’t do anything wrong. He could play if he wanted to, but it would be at less than 100%. I think SA’s doctors thought it would not get any worse or threaten his career.

I also think his doctors have not done much better and he went from being close 2 months ago to being out for the year. It proves (hopefully to him) that it’s not SAs doctors but a really tricky injury.

I have yet to see any evidence that his doctors found something that SA’s doctors missed. It was more of a question of the rehab process and pain tolerance.

The only issue I have been consistent on is I am disappointed that he broke the bonds of being a teammate in the face of being injured/frustrated. That’s it on my end and I think it’s a fair criticism.

Thats about as sound of a response as ive seen. Kl should have just been available and able to talk about it. Then no issue.

[davidbowie]

the spurs didnt get this much coverage when we won the championship :lol

[daslicer]

the spurs didnt get this much coverage when we won the championship :lol

Last time they got this type of coverage was '95 when Rodman went AWOL.

[SAGirl]

It's a Pop sin if he doesn't tell the truth.

If a player traveled with team' staff to rehab in other city, if the player has said he talks with the coach almost every day, the coach can't say he doesn't know a shit about..."Ask his group" when he already knows what's going on...
I don't think Pop has lied in what he said about the situation. It's difficult to answer questions about a situation he doesn't know. Does he know when Kiwi will be back? No. And he's getting tired of getting asked about it. It shows.

Unlike Kiwi he has to face the media and answer questions. He cannot hide in his office or elsewhere and avoid the press although he looks like he'd rather not have to answer anything. What do you expect? For him to lie and say it's not up to Kiwi and his medical team to say when he's ready?

[tbdog]

Seriously bro. You need to quit your shit. I was on KL side initially but just abandoning your teammates like that says a lot about the guy's character. If you're hurt and can't play so be it...but damn be there for the guys in that locker room. At the very least you can show that you're willing to go down with the ship with them..

As pop explained, he is in ny rehabbing, trying to get healthy so he can play. You can't blame him for that. The problem is that at first we though rehab was resting, and we were like rest behind the bench and cheer. Curry is resting his injury and rehabbing with the team. Leonard has specialist in a different city than where the spurs are playing.

[tholdren]

I don't think Pop has lied in what he said about the situation. It's difficult to answer questions about a situation he doesn't know. Does he know when Kiwi will be back? No. And he's getting tired of getting asked about it. It shows.

Unlike Kiwi he has to face the media and answer questions. He cannot hide in his office or elsewhere and avoid the press although he looks like he'd rather not have to answer anything. What do you expect? For him to lie and say it's not up to Kiwi and his medical team to say when he's ready?

Good post. Anderson still sucks

[SAGirl]

I think we've got certain expectations of these guys, myself included. I agree him coming out would have clarified things, but he did speak out and give that interview last month and say he wanted to remain a Spur.

The problem is when rumorville starts from social media/ESPN and we're hearing all these things. I mean that's kinda new territory for us, and Kawhi is even more closed off then TD was, so there's no assurance.

I just am at the point where im assuming he'll remain a Spur until I hear from his group or Woj, /Shams etc... That he no longer wants to, and try and ignore the other noise
I am at that point too. I also give a lot more weight to official sources. Things aren't going all that well but it's all tied to his injury and we shall just see what happens with that and as a result him.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Isn't it odd with the way this story has blown up, there have been no Kawhi sightings in NY? You would think with a blood thirsty news media, some hack would be stalking him to his rehab facility, catching him eating somewhere, getting in a cab, etc. But nothing. Where is this guy living in NY? Who is he spending off time with? Very odd he is so under the radar in NY with all the attention he is getting.

[weebo]

As pop explained, he is in ny rehabbing, trying to get healthy so he can play. You can't blame him for that. The problem is that at first we though rehab was resting, and we were like rest behind the bench and cheer. Curry is resting his injury and rehabbing with the team. Leonard has specialist in a different city than where the spurs are playing.

The guy hasn't played since Jan and now he's going to play?? He's done for the year no matter what his doctors say--he's not going to come back now.

[CGD]

Think the Spurs would want Fultz, Saric and Covington. Think the 76ers would only give up one of Saric or Covington, preferably the latter. Think Spurs would prefer the former, then counter with Luwawu-Cabarrot and another asset or two in place of Covington. Fultz would have to be in it, but he's a significant risk. If his broken jumper/mental block persists, this package most likely wouldn't return a future star (unless they strike gold with a pick).

The more I think about it though, with Brown and Tatum rapidly developing, the Celtics' stinginess and the prospect of 4 massive contracts, if push comes to shove, the 76ers might be the most likely destination. In addition to their assets and being out of conference, as you alluded to, they've also got the cap space to absorb an unwanted contract. Unfortunately, Spurs would probably retain Mills. However misguided, they'd likely see his culture carrying as even more important after this fiasco and with the team trending younger.

Philly would be interesting. I don’t know enough about their young guys to say whether something less than a package built around fultz is a no go (excluding Simmons and Embid).

I forgot they also have Pasecnicks & Jonah Bolden stashed. Mills there would fit next to Simmons like a glove.

[YGWHI]

Cousins actually has an injury.
Kawhi, too.

[Play Boban]

I'm saying it doesn't matter. LMA nearly signed with Phoenix when they were a repeated catastrophe and had players bad mouth the organization that very year on their way out.

People like to imagine that how organizations treat players matters greatly but it doesn't.

If it did, there wouldn't be any issues with Kawhi, now would there?

They've done everything for him. Pop talked him up as the future years before even a majority of Spurs fans did. He talked him up and celebrated him. Durant was calling him a system player, all the talking heads were downplaying him, but the Spurs had his back. Pop even talked him up as THE best player in the car whole league. What did it get the Spurs?

When he sprained his ankle in game 5, despite the criticism', Pop held him out to protect Kawhi's health. What did it get the Spurs?

They shielded him from the media, he never had to take the big media star in he didn't want to. What did it get the Spurs?

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?

If doing right by players, if treating Kawhi better and supporting him better than any other team could means so much ... Why is Kawhi doing everything a player could to screw a team over?

Not being with the team, leaving the city for months, getting his own medical team, refusing to talk, having people in his sphere talking trash to the media on his behalf.

If his goal was to screw the Spurs over by simultaneously tanking his value, dividing the team and destroying locker room chemistry, dissuading possible suitors from non-huge markets from even bidding with leaks, and ruining the reputation of a coach near retirement ... then Kawhi is doing a magnificent job!

I'd give him an A+ in franchise killing
This might just be the best post ever written on this forum tbh.

[YGWHI]

I don't think Pop has lied in what he said about the situation. It's difficult to answer questions about a situation he doesn't know. Does he know when Kiwi will be back? No. And he's getting tired of getting asked about it. It shows.

Unlike Kiwi he has to face the media and answer questions. He cannot hide in his office or elsewhere and avoid the press although he looks like he'd rather not have to answer anything. What do you expect? For him to lie and say it's not up to Kiwi and his medical team to say when he's ready?

Pop's guys are with Kawhi in NYC, he knows as much as Kawhi's camp knows.

Do you really think if Pop would want to fix a relationship problem, he wouldn't say what he already knows "Spurs guys in NYC telling me that Kawhi is working on his... whatever" instead of saying "ask his group" and calling his camp and doctors "group"...

I guess a decision was made about Kawhi's future and no one side wants to fix issues at this point.

[Play Boban]

Covington, Saric, Justin Anderson, the 10th and 26th picks and the draft rights Anzejs Pasecnicks & Jonah Bolden,

for Kawhi and Mills.

Math should work but would need to be completed before July 1st to take advantage of Covington's $16.7 million salary.


Spurs get the 10th, 26th, to go along with the 18th pick plus to quality prospects in Pasecnicks & Jonah Bolden- I especially like Pasecnicks but Bolden is very intriguing too. Anderson is a throw in to make the numbers works but not a bad player either and, of course, Saric is good too.
Getting Saric would make me wet. He’s going to be a borderline All-Star. Good player

[hater]

Kawhi, too.

Torn rectum and inability to wipe

[YGWHI]

Torn rectum and inability to wipe
:lol

This joke isn't getting old after what? Six months? Seven? :tu

[Quiet Strength]

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Cousins doing similar to Kawhi fwiw.

Confirmed Leonard and Cousins share uncles.

[spursistan]

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Damn..

[testies]

Lol at the retard thinking crater face is taking a shot at Kawhi.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Lol at the retard thinking crater face is taking a shot at Kawhi.

He is.

It's over.

Time to deal with it.

Hopefully we can get a high pick and a young athlete that is tall for his position out of whatever deal happens.

[tbdog]

The guy hasn't played since Jan and now he's going to play?? He's done for the year no matter what his doctors say--he's not going to come back now.

So he should stop rehabbing, join the bench and cheer, then rehab after the season ends?

[Brazil]

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Damn..

yeah... a lot talk about Tony jab on Kawhi but the more vocal on the subtles to Kawhi has been Pop.. he has been restless.. knowing Pop I find very difficult to imagine a good ending to this story.. Pop is taking this whole shit very personnally imho... I'm afraid it is over between Spurs and Kawhi

[Brazil]

Lol at the retard thinking crater face is taking a shot at Kawhi.

if you don't see the shot, you need glasses tbh

[MoSpur02]

So he should stop rehabbing, join the bench and cheer, then rehab after the season ends?

Pretty obvious to me he isn't going to be ready to play or maybe he doesn't even want to so yeah forget rehab in NY and join the team.

However, from what I've been told the team (I'm not not all the players) don't want him on the bench.

[Ice009]

Pretty obvious to me he isn't going to be ready to play or maybe he doesn't even want to so yeah forget rehab in NY and join the team.

However, from what I've been told the team (I'm not not all the players) don't want him on the bench.

Why do they not want him around? I can think of two reasons 1. They feel distracted with him being there and don't play their best with him there so they'd rather he not be there or 2. They're mad at him. Which one of those two reasons would it be you think?

[MoSpur02]

Why do they not want him around? I can think of two reasons 1. They feel distracted with him being there and don't play their best with him there so they'd rather he not be there or 2. They're mad at him. Which one of those two reasons would it be you think?

The second one you mentioned.

[UZER]

Why do they not want him around? I can think of two reasons 1. They feel distracted with him being there and don't play their best with him there so they'd rather he not be there or 2. They're mad at him. Which one of those two reasons would it be you think?

Parker and Manu are mad because they tried to gravy train another year on the Spurs but got pantsed in front of everyone. :lol

[Ice009]

The second one you mentioned.

Darn. You think there is any way going back from this. I still want Kawhi to stay.