Kawhi is trending and NBA twitter is ripping him into shreds

[cd98]

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Damn..

Eh, it's like Pop can't praise any of his players without others thinking he's slighting Kawhi. LMA has been great this year and even though it won't make a difference in the playoffs, he's played well there. He's not the reason we are losing. I am bothered how everything is in the context of dissing Kawhi when it's likely that never crossed Pop's mind.

[coachmac87]

Eh, it's like Pop can't praise any of his players without others thinking he's slighting Kawhi. LMA has been great this year and even though it won't make a difference in the playoffs, he's played well there. He's not the reason we are losing. I am bothered how everything is in the context of dissing Kawhi when it's likely that never crossed Pop's mind.


Media just stirring the pot tbh....

Everything is now Kawhi related....

[bklynspursfan]

Eh, it's like Pop can't praise any of his players without others thinking he's slighting Kawhi. LMA has been great this year and even though it won't make a difference in the playoffs, he's played well there. He's not the reason we are losing. I am bothered how everything is in the context of dissing Kawhi when it's likely that never crossed Pop's mind.


Media just stirring the pot tbh....

Everything is now Kawhi related....

+1

[sammy]

986114301147561984

Damn..

Well, he's only speaking the truth! LMA has been carrying this team all season and played his heart out last night while Kawhi is over in NY with his handlers instead being with his team mates!

[sammy]

Parker and Manu are mad because they tried to gravy train another year on the Spurs but got pantsed in front of everyone. :lol

WTF are you talking about idiot! Manu playing his heart out and Kawhi let them down by being a mummy! He just needs to say I am not playing for the rest of the season! Pop and the team are tired of answering the media's questions about Kawhi returning? Kawhi needs to stop being a mummy and answer the media's questions himself! He needs to deal with the media, not Pop and certainly not the team!

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This might just be the best post ever written on this forum tbh.

I agree with it all except for the idea "pop debased himself."

We have different definitions of that word evidently.

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Well, he's only speaking the truth! LMA has been carrying this team all season and played his heart out last night while Kawhi is over in NY with his handlers instead being with his team mates!

[DaBears]

Shit even Riverside's or Riverdales( who cares ) very own Reggie Miller was sayin this shit stinks.... That Kiwi should be on the court...

[UZER]

WTF are you talking about idiot! Manu playing his heart out and Kawhi let them down by being a mummy! He just needs to say I am not playing for the rest of the season! Pop and the team are tired of answering the media's questions about Kawhi returning? Kawhi needs to stop being a mummy and answer the media's questions himself! He needs to deal with the media, not Pop and certainly not the team!

Calm down man. :lol

I don’t disagree with your thoughts on Kawhi. I’ve called him out Kawhi plenty on this board an said he should be with the team. I’ve also said PATFO carry some blame. Not every post someone makes can carry the context of all their other post on Spurstalk.

[spursistan]

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[JFK]

I can't wait for Twitter to explode and the news story comes out when the AT&T Center Ushers kick out or bar Leonard from going into the building. Kawhi is that guy that comes home to the locks being changed at this point. Its over Johnny.

[dbreiden83080]

I'm saying it doesn't matter. LMA nearly signed with Phoenix when they were a repeated catastrophe and had players bad mouth the organization that very year on their way out.

People like to imagine that how organizations treat players matters greatly but it doesn't.

If it did, there wouldn't be any issues with Kawhi, now would there?

They've done everything for him. Pop talked him up as the future years before even a majority of Spurs fans did. He talked him up and celebrated him. Durant was calling him a system player, all the talking heads were downplaying him, but the Spurs had his back. Pop even talked him up as THE best player in the car whole league. What did it get the Spurs?

When he sprained his ankle in game 5, despite the criticism', Pop held him out to protect Kawhi's health. What did it get the Spurs?

They shielded him from the media, he never had to take the big media star in he didn't want to. What did it get the Spurs?

Desperate to help the team, Pop debased himself before LMA to keep him engaged. Not for Pop's own benefit, for Kawhi to have his best chance. What did it get the Spurs?

If doing right by players, if treating Kawhi better and supporting him better than any other team could means so much ... Why is Kawhi doing everything a player could to screw a team over?

Not being with the team, leaving the city for months, getting his own medical team, refusing to talk, having people in his sphere talking trash to the media on his behalf.

If his goal was to screw the Spurs over by simultaneously tanking his value, dividing the team and destroying locker room chemistry, dissuading possible suitors from non-huge markets from even bidding with leaks, and ruining the reputation of a coach near retirement ... then Kawhi is doing a magnificent job!

I'd give him an A+ in franchise killing

That post is as good as it gets right there. This whole thing is so frustrating and incredibly confusing. I don’t even think the organization really has a great handle on what exactly happened here? He did a magnificent job his whole Run with the team prior to this whole mess. He was competitive, he worked hard, he played great in the regular season and was coming into his own as the guy in San Antonio. Then suddenly this season changes everything. I just don’t believe and I have never believed, that he is that badly injured. The team cleared him to play, and the Spurs have never been the type of organization that would clear somebody and put a star player or any player for that matter in harms way. They don’t do that. This is a team coached by a man that is notorious for resting players. To the point that the league is taking disciplinary action because of it. None of this has ever made any sense. It still doesn’t.

[picnroll]

Even if Kawhi came back next year healthy and agreed to sign you have to wonder if this is the guy you want to give your super max contract to. I imagine he has zero respect from his team mates and I can think of a single other player in the league less capable of being a team leader. Hell he makes Boogie look like Tim Duncan.

[SpurPadre]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2018/04/17/nba-playoffs-spurs-lamarcus-aldridge-avoids-kawhi-leonard-topic/523223002/

LMA on Kawhi: “I have no comment,” he said as he walked away. “He has to do what’s best for him. That’s it."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement on the guy.

And look how professionally he handled being asked to carry a bunch of dead weight on the team:

“It’s tough,” Aldridge said of the circumstances of this season. “We’re depending on guys who really aren’t offensive guys, and I think that showed tonight. We have guys who really don’t score, and teams are exposing that and trying to make those guys score. ... But every guy in the locker room has grinded, and tried to get better, and you’ve got to consider that.”

LMA being a REAL leader, tbh.

[weeks]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2018/04/17/nba-playoffs-spurs-lamarcus-aldridge-avoids-kawhi-leonard-topic/523223002/

LMA on Kawhi: “I have no comment,” he said as he walked away. “He has to do what’s best for him. That’s it."

:wow

[boutons_deux]

I didn't really think LMA was that kind of guy, but he is. At 33, 34, he's shown he can change and grow, and carry The Weight.

As it always does, rebounding shows he is a hustling, committed, tough son of a bitch.

[TD 21]

Philly would be interesting. I don’t know enough about their young guys to say whether something less than a package built around fultz is a no go (excluding Simmons and Embid).

I forgot they also have Pasecnicks & Jonah Bolden stashed. Mills there would fit next to Simmons like a glove.

Fultz, Ingram, Tatum/Brown (think Spurs would prefer former) would have to be the headliners in a package.

[BackHome]

With Philly I would do Kawhi for Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Amir Johnson, there 10 pick and there first second round pick 48 .....Philly has 6 picks in this draft

[spurraider21]

With Philly I would do Kawhi for Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Amir Johnson, there 10 pick and there first second round pick 48 .....Philly has 6 picks in this draft
philly wins that trade in a landslide

[HarlemHeat37]

philly wins that trade in a landslide

:lol the Spurs need to at least get Fultz from Philly..whoever they trade, they need to at least acquire a potential star(or a pick with a decent probability of drafting a potential star)..

[spurraider21]

:lol the Spurs need to at least get Fultz from Philly..whoever they trade, they need to at least acquire a potential star(or a pick with a decent probability of drafting a potential star)..
+1

fultz would have to be included (no way they're moving embiid or simmons, obviously)

i love saric, but he's not a star that's leading a team somewhere. convington is a better version of green (not as good a shooter as peak green) and is on a solid deal locked up for 4 years. but amir johnson is just filler.

[r0drig0lac]

fultz+saric+bolden+covington+pick for Kawhi+Mills

[tholdren]

fultz+saric+bolden+covington+pick for Kawhi+Mills

No

[ace3g]

OT but someone posted a photo of Kawhi's "supposed" doctor 3-4 days ago, can't find it anymore.

[spurraider21]

fultz+saric+bolden+covington+pick for Kawhi+Mills
that would be an impressive haul

[HarlemHeat37]

OT but someone posted a photo of Kawhi's "supposed" doctor 3-4 days ago, can't find it anymore.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2018/04/17/nba-playoffs-spurs-lamarcus-aldridge-avoids-kawhi-leonard-topic/523223002/

LMA on Kawhi: “I have no comment,” he said as he walked away. “He has to do what’s best for him. That’s it."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement on the guy.

And look how professionally he handled being asked to carry a bunch of dead weight on the team:

“It’s tough,” Aldridge said of the circumstances of this season. “We’re depending on guys who really aren’t offensive guys, and I think that showed tonight. We have guys who really don’t score, and teams are exposing that and trying to make those guys score. ... But every guy in the locker room has grinded, and tried to get better, and you’ve got to consider that.”

LMA being a REAL leader, tbh.

Love me some LA.

[UZER]

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:lol

[RD2191]

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:lmao

[spurraider21]

OT but someone posted a photo of Kawhi's "supposed" doctor 3-4 days ago, can't find it anymore.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/itsalwayssunny/images/6/60/Goddamn_computer_virus.jpg/revision/latest/zoom-crop/width/480/height/480?cb=20111108134851

[SpurPadre]

Kawhi should get The Orange Fuck's Doctor who says Trump is the healthiest living human being in the history of the world tbh.

[ElNono]

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:lol HH with the Fabbs goods

[ace3g]

OT but someone posted a photo of Kawhi's "supposed" doctor 3-4 days ago, can't find it anymore.

**Again, I know to take this with a grain of salt

Chief Medical Officer / Orthopedic Surgeon for the Philadelphia 76ers, and Chief Medical Officer / Orthopedic Surgeon for MY New Jersey Devils. :bang

This was the tweet I was looking for:

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[Kawhitstorm]

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Porker is trying to keep up with Cody Chestnut
https://shutupdad.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/hotdogeater.jpg

[Kawhitstorm]

“We’re depending on guys who really aren’t offensive guys, and I think that showed tonight. We have guys who really don’t score, and teams are exposing that and trying to make those guys score. ...”


RC: "We like who we have":sleep

[MoSpur02]

I wish ownership would put pressure on R.C and Pop.

[CGD]

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I had to read that like 10 times before I got it. Getting old.

[Clipper Nation]

Porker is trying to keep up with Cody Chestnut
https://shutupdad.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/hotdogeater.jpg
:lmao

[lmbebo]

**Again, I know to take this with a grain of salt

Chief Medical Officer / Orthopedic Surgeon for the Philadelphia 76ers, and Chief Medical Officer / Orthopedic Surgeon for MY New Jersey Devils. :bang

This was the tweet I was looking for:

984304063432089600

https://vimeo.com/94680617

[dbestpro]

"He uses techniques so that downtime and immobility are greatly reduced." Kawhi killing non-basketball careers too.

[BackHome]

Really Kawhi should go to Panama and get stem cell treatment for his injury.

[spursistan]

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[Kawhitstorm]

Really Kawhi should go to Panama and get stem cell treatment for his injury.

Joe Rogan, is that you?

[cd021]

Think the Spurs would want Fultz, Saric and Covington. Think the 76ers would only give up one of Saric or Covington, preferably the latter. Think Spurs would prefer the former, then counter with Luwawu-Cabarrot and another asset or two in place of Covington. Fultz would have to be in it, but he's a significant risk. If his broken jumper/mental block persists, this package most likely wouldn't return a future star (unless they strike gold with a pick).

The more I think about it though, with Brown and Tatum rapidly developing, the Celtics' stinginess and the prospect of 4 massive contracts, if push comes to shove, the 76ers might be the most likely destination. In addition to their assets and being out of conference, as you alluded to, they've also got the cap space to absorb an unwanted contract. Unfortunately, Spurs would probably retain Mills. However misguided, they'd likely see his culture carrying as even more important after this fiasco and with the team trending younger.

Faults probably is a no go for both sides IMO; Philly has invested in him and being able to keep him and see how he pans out would be a positive in a trade involving Kawhi while there is just a big question mark about whether Fultz can ever get back to his pre injury shooting form.

Covington has to be in the trade to make the math work but if you take out Mills, J. Anderson doesn't have to be included.

2 picks (10, and 26) and 2 draft rights prospects in addition to two good, youngish NBA players is a good return but there are question marks (surrounding the picks and prospects) that wouldn't be immediately answered for several years.

Boston may lowball in a offer for Kawhi, like you mentioned, because Tatum and Brown both look good at such a young age. I don't think that they would be willing to offer Tatum, the Kings and the Grizzlies picks for Kawhi
They are set up to contend for the better part of the next 10 years, at least, moving those assets makes them legit contenders now but with a smaller window.


I've been on the record saying that I prefer a potential package from Phoenix but they lost out on the Bucks pick. I would be legit curious if they ended up with the 2nd pick would they be more willing to move it and would an offer for the 2nd and 15th pick, 31st be enough to get PAFTO to at least seriously consider moving Kawhi.

[Ice009]

Joe Rogan, is that you?

I didn't expect Joe Rogan to be bought up here. What is stem cell treatment exactly? I assume it's illegal?

[ace3g]

I didn't expect Joe Rogan to be bought up here. What is stem cell treatment exactly? I assume it's illegal?


He brought up Joe Rogan because on his podcast a while back mentioned he had stem cell treatment on his shoulder and was amazed at how quickly and effective the injury recovered.

[r0drig0lac]

Faults probably is a no go for both sides IMO; Philly has invested in him and being able to keep him and see how he pans out would be a positive in a trade involving Kawhi while there is just a big question mark about whether Fultz can ever get back to his pre injury shooting form.

Covington has to be in the trade to make the math work but if you take out Mills, J. Anderson doesn't have to be included.

2 picks (10, and 26) and 2 draft rights prospects in addition to two good, youngish NBA players is a good return but there are question marks (surrounding the picks and prospects) that wouldn't be immediately answered for several years.

Boston may lowball in a offer for Kawhi, like you mentioned, because Tatum and Brown both look good at such a young age. I don't think that they would be willing to offer Tatum, the Kings and the Grizzlies picks for Kawhi
They are set up to contend for the better part of the next 10 years, at least, moving those assets makes them legit contenders now but with a smaller window.


I've been on the record saying that I prefer a potential package from Phoenix but they lost out on the Bucks pick. I would be legit curious if they ended up with the 2nd pick would they be more willing to move it and would an offer for the 2nd and 15th pick, 31st be enough to get PAFTO to at least seriously consider moving Kawhi.

2nd+15th+Jackson+Warren

[Chinook]

The issue with Phoenix selling the farm for Kawhi is that they'd only have a chance to keep him if they can get a "third" star to sign up with him and Booker. I'm not even sure that a Love-level guy would be enough to get Kawhi to stay, but even if it is, they're going to need assets and cap flexibility to get it done. Hell, even signing Cousins would require some finagling.

I think their assets pretty much break down into three tiers:

Top -- Jackson, 2018 first
Mid -- 16, MKE pick (would be higher but it doesn't look like it will convey until 2020), 2021 MIA pick (which could be great but too far in the future to be anything other than a sweetener).
Low -- 31, Bender, Chriss, Warren

The rest is either not worth discussing in terms of value or in Booker's case, not on the table at all. They are also looking at being $10-20 Million below the cap in July, so they have a special tier of being able to absorb a Gasol, Mills or other bad deal from another team. They also have some expirings in Dudley and Chandler (and Williams if they don't waive him). It's completely feasible for them to make a win-now pivot. But they'll only do that if they can get two or three high-impact guys.

I think I'd want all three of their picks this year plus Bender and Chandler for Kawhi and Pau. Then I'd use 18 to get rid of Patty (and hopefully get 33 or 40 back). The team with four picks in the first 40 would have a ton of flexibility moving up and down the board. The team would have a decent bit of room too. They wouldn't have any vet wing to replace Kawhi, but if they draft a guy like Doncic at 2 then that's fine.

[Dverde]

There must be a Theon/Reek reference coming on Game of Zones.

[DJR210]

They're really going to rip that pussy to shreds when he doesn't even show up in San Antonio today/tonight to support Pop

[Floyd Pacquiao]

The backlash will be bad. I mean it's something that we don't even want to talk about at this time out of respect for pop and his family, but the backlash will be really bad if he doesn't even show up to the funeral services.

[K...]

The backlash will be bad. I mean it's something that we don't even want to talk about at this time out of respect for pop and his family, but the backlash will be really bad if he doesn't even show up to the funeral services.

On the other hand, maybe pop doesn't want a black cloud at the funeral. Honestly i think pop may bar all players to avoid over crowding or publicity.

[dabom]

On the other hand, maybe pop doesn't want a black cloud at the funeral. Honestly i think pop may bar all players to avoid over crowding or publicity.

Pop is not gonna bar players. :lmao

[Floyd Pacquiao]

On the other hand, maybe pop doesn't want a black cloud at the funeral. Honestly i think pop may bar all players to avoid over crowding or publicity.

He is a very private person with his family life, so that isn't out of the question. Though I think their will be some type of Wake for friends of the family.

[SAGirl]

Don’t expect to see him at the game. He may give his condolences to Pop privately. I think Kiwi is avoiding the media. In reality he should be behind the bench at the home games but nothing surprises me about Kiwi anymore.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Don’t expect to see him at the game. He may give his condolences to Pop privately. I think Kiwi is avoiding the media. In reality he should be behind the bench at the home games but nothing surprises me about Kiwi anymore.

I hope at the very least that's what Kawhi does. It would be beyond shameful if he didn't.

[Play Boban]

I’m going to absolutely lose it if this turd doesn’t show up to the game to support Pop and the team tonight. I hope my TV screen can survive me hurling the remote at it.

[SpursforSix]

He brought up Joe Rogan because on his podcast a while back mentioned he had stem cell treatment on his shoulder and was amazed at how quickly and effective the injury recovered.

BigPharma isn't gonna let widespread stem cell treatment happen here. They'd lose billions.

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Don’t expect to see him at the game. He may give his condolences to Pop privately. I think Kiwi is avoiding the media. In reality he should be behind the bench at the home games but nothing surprises me about Kiwi anymore.

We should give him the benefit of the doubt, though maybe that is foolish of me. Surely, he has the decency to show some love for his coach of 7 years. And I'm sure he will/has.

I'm not sure what will happen this offseason on so many levels. Does pop come back to coaching at all? Will Kawhi return? Only if pop returns? Only if Parker is moved or retires? Etc.

Right now though, I figure we should all try to be a little less judgmental about the specifics of the private dealings between player and coach.

[exstatic]

BigPharma isn't gonna let widespread stem cell treatment happen here. They'd lose billions.

Neither will BigReligia. The most effective and least differentiated stem cells come from fetuses.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Neither will BigReligia. The most effective and least differentiated stem cells come from fetuses.

That was true 10 years ago, but not now. My cousin, one of the leading doctors in regenerative medicine told me that they can get adult stem cells to do pretty much anything a stem cell from a fetus can do. The arguments against stem cells are fading fast.

[TD 21]

Faults probably is a no go for both sides IMO; Philly has invested in him and being able to keep him and see how he pans out would be a positive in a trade involving Kawhi while there is just a big question mark about whether Fultz can ever get back to his pre injury shooting form.

Covington has to be in the trade to make the math work but if you take out Mills, J. Anderson doesn't have to be included.

2 picks (10, and 26) and 2 draft rights prospects in addition to two good, youngish NBA players is a good return but there are question marks (surrounding the picks and prospects) that wouldn't be immediately answered for several years.

Boston may lowball in a offer for Kawhi, like you mentioned, because Tatum and Brown both look good at such a young age. I don't think that they would be willing to offer Tatum, the Kings and the Grizzlies picks for Kawhi
They are set up to contend for the better part of the next 10 years, at least, moving those assets makes them legit contenders now but with a smaller window.


I've been on the record saying that I prefer a potential package from Phoenix but they lost out on the Bucks pick. I would be legit curious if they ended up with the 2nd pick would they be more willing to move it and would an offer for the 2nd and 15th pick, 31st be enough to get PAFTO to at least seriously consider moving Kawhi.

Fultz would be an automatic on both sides. You don't trade a superstar without getting back someone with star potential. A collection of role players and middling draft picks isn't going to cut it.

[Seventyniner]

Fultz would be an automatic on both sides. You don't trade a superstar without getting back someone with star potential. A collection of role players and middling draft picks isn't going to cut it.

Is there a comparable player to Fultz? I haven't watched him at all. The only thing I remember is "tall PG with a broken jumper who went to UW" and we already have one of those.

[exstatic]

Is there a comparable player to Fultz? I haven't watched him at all. The only thing I remember is "tall PG with a broken jumper who went to UW" and we already have one of those.

...who plays stellar defense.

[TD 21]

Is there a comparable player to Fultz? I haven't watched him at all. The only thing I remember is "tall PG with a broken jumper who went to UW" and we already have one of those.

Last year, Harden was the most common reference. Fultz was thought to be a pretty good shooter until after he was drafted and developed what appears to be a mental block.

Obviously, that would make him a risk, but he's a significantly better prospect than Murray (athleticism, speed, quickness, handle, passing/vision), who it would make sense to trade, in this scenario.

If he can overcome the mental block and become so much as a decent shooter, he's probably the highest ceiling prospect they could conceivably acquire. But, Tatum, Brown and maybe even Ingram, have a higher floor and the first two definitely have star potential in their own right.

[cd021]

Fultz would be an automatic on both sides. You don't trade a superstar without getting back someone with star potential. A collection of role players and middling draft picks isn't going to cut it.

Fair.

Kawhi

for

Faultz, Saric, Covington,

and probably two of the following; 10th pick, 26th pick, Parseckniks, & Bolden


would be a great haul.

[cd021]

Last year, Harden was the most common reference. Fultz was thought to be a pretty good shooter until after he was drafted and developed what appears to be a mental block.

Obviously, that would make him a risk, but he's a significantly better prospect than Murray (athleticism, speed, quickness, handle, passing/vision), who it would make sense to trade, in this scenario.

If he can overcome the mental block and become so much as a decent shooter, he's probably the highest ceiling prospect they could conceivably acquire. But, Tatum, Brown and maybe even Ingram, have a higher floor and the first two definitely have star potential in their own right.


Haven't watched him play either, how do you think he'd fit with Murray?

[SAGirl]

I don't know that Murray is a guy to build around. You'd have to see how he looks next season. If he remains offensively challenged Spurs will have to reduce his role. Him not able to stay in the floor in the playoffs when guard play has been so bad tells you something.

[DaBears]

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Please note: This article is a opinion piece, w/ no actual reporting done. This entire opinion piece is just repeated verbiage we’ve heard over and over... I wish people would stop writing on this as if they have new breaking news. Just click bait really about 98% of everything out there....

[tholdren]

I don't know that Murray is a guy to build around. You'd have to see how he looks next season. If he remains offensively challenged Spurs will have to reduce his role. Him not able to stay in the floor in the playoffs when guard play has been so bad tells you something.

Spurs fans not know much about basketball

[BackHome]

Like the kid but he needs to make dramatic improvement on his outside shooting including 3 ball. If he doesn’t then he is going to give his starter position to White.

[mo7888]

Like the kid but he needs to make dramatic improvement on his outside shooting including 3 ball. If he doesn’t then he is going to give his starter position to White.

This

[tim_duncan_fan]

Like the kid but he needs to make dramatic improvement on his outside shooting including 3 ball. If he doesn’t then he is going to give his starter position to White.

I like Murray but I can't wait for White to take over. Tired of this team not having any real threat from outside 10 feet.

[TD 21]

Fair.

Kawhi

for

Faultz, Saric, Covington,

and probably two of the following; 10th pick, 26th pick, Parseckniks, & Bolden


would be a great haul.

This is how I think it would breakdown . . .

- Fultz
- One of Saric or Covington (with Spurs preferring former and 76ers preferring latter)
- One of 10 and 26 (if Spurs got way with Saric, 26; if 76ers got way with Covington, 10)
- One of Luwawu-Cabarrot, Parseckniks, Bolden



Haven't watched him play either, how do you think he'd fit with Murray?

Even if Fultz can rediscover his jumper (would think Spurs only do this with belief he could), he'll still be best utilized on ball, which means it's highly unlikely him and Murray would ever be a fit together offensively.

Murray is not a good enough prospect to pass on Fultz because of some similarities. Fultz would need to be prioritized and it would make sense for Murray to be traded.

[SAGirl]

Even the local media are assuming he's gone. I am dispirited I have to admit.
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[RD2191]

Even the local media are assuming he's gone. I am dispirited I have to admit.
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Tf is kawhi leonad?

[MoSpur02]

Yeah I think he's gone and I think that's what he wanted all along. Well his uncle and him. I created a thread (that was deleted) before the trade deadline stating that the front office (R.C) received the okay to trade him.

Apparently before that happened they actually had dinner with him and another player on the team to talk things out. According to what I was told Kawhi barely spoke. He checked out a long time ago. Things never got any better. They didn't end up trading him for whatever reason, but I'm sure that will be priority #1 as soon as this season is over.

[SAGirl]

IN my imagination the other player in that dinner is "team leader" Patty Mills.
I am not one to troll the teams roster normally but I would have run from that meeting like a madwoman.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Yeah I think he's gone and I think that's what he wanted all along. Well his uncle and him. I created a thread (that was deleted) before the trade deadline stating that the front office (R.C) received the okay to trade him.

Apparently before that happened they actually had dinner with him and another player on the team to talk things out. According to what I was told Kawhi barely spoke. He checked out a long time ago. Things never got any better. They didn't end up trading him for whatever reason, but I'm sure that will be priority #1 as soon as this season is over.
What is the order/timeline of these events:
Team picture where Kawhi left after 20 minutes
The dinner you reference
The players only meeting.

[MoSpur02]

IN my imagination the other player in that dinner is "team leader" Patty Mills.
I am not one to troll the teams roster normally but I would have run from that meeting like a madwoman.

Wasn't Mills

[MoSpur02]

What is the order/timeline of these events:
Team picture where Kawhi left after 20 minutes
The dinner you reference
The players only meeting.

The dinner took place some time in January before the trade deadline. Not sure when the team picture took place

[r0drig0lac]

Wasn't Mills

Parker?

[MoSpur02]

Parker?

It was a PG. Not Mills or Parker

[daslicer]

Yeah I think he's gone and I think that's what he wanted all along. Well his uncle and him. I created a thread (that was deleted) before the trade deadline stating that the front office (R.C) received the okay to trade him.

Apparently before that happened they actually had dinner with him and another player on the team to talk things out. According to what I was told Kawhi barely spoke. He checked out a long time ago. Things never got any better. They didn't end up trading him for whatever reason, but I'm sure that will be priority #1 as soon as this season is over.

I wonder who that other player was at the dinner. Also I'm shocked his uncle was not with him at that dinner. I think the reason why they didn't trade him at the deadline was they didn't want to feel rushed when it came to fielding offers versus during the summer where they won't have a time constraint and can weigh all the options that are available for trading him.

[apalisoc_9]

Yeah I think he's gone and I think that's what he wanted all along. Well his uncle and him. I created a thread (that was deleted) before the trade deadline stating that the front office (R.C) received the okay to trade him.

Apparently before that happened they actually had dinner with him and another player on the team to talk things out. According to what I was told Kawhi barely spoke. He checked out a long time ago. Things never got any better. They didn't end up trading him for whatever reason, but I'm sure that will be priority #1 as soon as this season is over.

Mo, any chance this also about recognition? Obviously the injuriy mismanagement is huge but i think wehn a player does something like this its always an assortment of reasons.

There was a report last year that he wasnt particularly happy with the Gasol and Mills Signing.

And i think he could look at last year and conclude he would have won MVP had he played in a bigger city and not for Pop.

Kawhi strikes me as a guy looking for individual glory and one who cares a lot about his personal brand.

[tholdren]

This is worse than the grocery checkout magazines. Just pray his tendonitis is fatal and move on with life. He was and always will be a bum. Getcha some mrsa leonard

[MoSpur02]

I'll be totally honest as far as why he isn't all that happy. I really don't know. However, I do know that he changed once his uncle sort of started taking over. Not sure if it was the whole issue with his quad and him feeling they misdiagnosed it.

[Ice009]

It was a PG. Not Mills or Parker

Dejounte? Thanks for the info. I know you mentioned the front office had the OK to trade him at the deadline, but I was hoping that wasn't true.

Fuck. It sounds like he's gone.

[MoSpur02]

I hope when they sit down again to talk after the season is over that maybe somehow they can fix whatever is wrong, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

[UZER]

Yeah I think he's gone and I think that's what he wanted all along. Well his uncle and him. I created a thread (that was deleted) before the trade deadline stating that the front office (R.C) received the okay to trade him.

Apparently before that happened they actually had dinner with him and another player on the team to talk things out. According to what I was told Kawhi barely spoke. He checked out a long time ago. Things never got any better. They didn't end up trading him for whatever reason, but I'm sure that will be priority #1 as soon as this season is over.

First, I'm not excusing what Kwahi has done in any way. He should be with the team. But I can see his issues. I said a long time ago, even last year, that Kawhi is not happy with the way Pop coaches. He doesn't like Pop undercutting him. It's not just one thing. I think its a combination of a lot of things.

-Kawhi doesn't like being subbed out when he clearly his a groove. There have been countless times where Kawhi gets rolling and Pop will just pull him mid groove. He'll have 15 in the first qtr, then gets pulled and plays 5 minutes the rest of the half. Kawhi sees other coaches let their players go on those special nights where they are just in a great rhythm. There are rare, rare occasions where pop lets him go. Kwahi wants to play like that every night, like other superstars on the league are allowed to. Tim Tony and Manu all got their chance to shine early in their careers. They "allowed" Pop's the micromanaging later. Kawhi hasn't been the man for but one year. He wants his chance to shine and put his stamp on the league.

-He doesn't like Pop pulling the plug so early on games, ESPECIALLY THE PLAYOFFS. How many time have we all seen Pop waive the white flag to start the 4th quarter. We all hate it and we don't even play. I can only imagine how much Kawhi hates it. He's been with him for 7 years and I think he's just finally had enough. All those losses add up and do damage to your overall seating come playoff time.

-He hates how all the resting changes the outcome of games before they start. So many national games, someone is always sitting out. I think he's tired of Pop not putting the best team on the floor night after night and giving games away.

-He's done with PATFO holding on to all these old guys that keep taking roster spots, and guys that can't help the team but keep getting resigned for "loyalty" or whatever, even to the detriment of the team. A token guy is okay, but the Spurs constantly have their roster filled with these guys year after year. I mean, Manu AND Tony are still on the team in 2018 and STILL counted on as major parts of the roster. If that is going to happen, fine, they're Spurs legends, but then you bring old useless Pau back? Then you sign Patty to the big contract eating up lots of cap space? That's 4 roster spots being eaten up by so-so guys. That's too many. Manu is the exception, but he's 40 and can't bring it every night anymore. Plus, three of those guys can't help you beat the Warriors. You know, the team everyone is chasing.


Again, I'm not excusing Kawhi's behavior in any way, but I can see why he is frustrated and wants to get off the Spurs team as long as Pop is coaching and the front office keeps doing what they're doing.

[FireMicoHalili]

First, I'm not excusing what Kwahi has done in any way. He should be with the team. But I can see his issues. I said a long time ago, even last year, that Kawhi is not happy with the way Pop coaches. He doesn't like Pop undercutting him. It's not just one thing. I think its a combination of a lot of things.

-Kawhi doesn't like being subbed out when he clearly his a groove. There have been countless times where Kawhi gets rolling and Pop will just pull him mid groove. He'll have 15 in the first qtr, then gets pulled and plays 5 minutes the rest of the half. Kawhi sees other coaches let their players go on those special nights where they are just in a great rhythm. There are rare, rare occasions where pop lets him go. Kwahi wants to play like that every night, like other superstars on the league are allowed to. Tim Tony and Manu all got their chance to shine early in their careers. They "allowed" Pop's the micromanaging later. Kawhi hasn't been the man for but one year. He wants his chance to shine and put his stamp on the league.

-He doesn't like Pop pulling the plug so early on games, ESPECIALLY THE PLAYOFFS. How many time have we all seen Pop waive the white flag to start the 4th quarter. We all hate it and we don't even play. I can only imagine how much Kawhi hates it. He's been with him for 7 years and I think he's just finally had enough. All those losses add up and do damage to your overall seating come playoff time.

-He hates how all the resting changes the outcome of games before they start. So many national games, someone is always sitting out. I think he's tired of Pop not putting the best team on the floor night after night and giving games away.

-He's done with PATFO holding on to all these old guys that keep taking roster spots, and guys that can't help the team but keep getting resigned for "loyalty" or whatever, even to the detriment of the team. A token guy is okay, but the Spurs constantly have their roster filled with these guys year after year. I mean, Manu AND Tony are still on the team in 2018 and STILL counted on as major parts of the roster. If that is going to happen, fine, they're Spurs legends, but then you bring old useless Pau back? Then you sign Patty to the big contract eating up lots of cap space? That's 4 roster spots being eaten up by so-so guys. That's too many. Manu is the exception, but he's 40 and can't bring it every night anymore. Plus, three of those guys can't help you beat the Warriors. You know, the team everyone is chasing.


Again, I'm not excusing Kawhi's behavior in any way, but I can see why he is frustrated and wants to get off the Spurs team as long as Pop is coaching and the front office keeps doing what they're doing.
Told you this himself?

[apalisoc_9]

First, I'm not excusing what Kwahi has done in any way. He should be with the team. But I can see his issues. I said a long time ago, even last year, that Kawhi is not happy with the way Pop coaches. He doesn't like Pop undercutting him. It's not just one thing. I think its a combination of a lot of things.

-Kawhi doesn't like being subbed out when he clearly his a groove. There have been countless times where Kawhi gets rolling and Pop will just pull him mid groove. He'll have 15 in the first qtr, then gets pulled and plays 5 minutes the rest of the half. Kawhi sees other coaches let their players go on those special nights where they are just in a great rhythm. There are rare, rare occasions where pop lets him go. Kwahi wants to play like that every night, like other superstars on the league are allowed to. Tim Tony and Manu all got their chance to shine early in their careers. They "allowed" Pop's the micromanaging later. Kawhi hasn't been the man for but one year. He wants his chance to shine and put his stamp on the league.

-He doesn't like Pop pulling the plug so early on games, ESPECIALLY THE PLAYOFFS. How many time have we all seen Pop waive the white flag to start the 4th quarter. We all hate it and we don't even play. I can only imagine how much Kawhi hates it. He's been with him for 7 years and I think he's just finally had enough. All those losses add up and do damage to your overall seating come playoff time.

-He hates how all the resting changes the outcome of games before they start. So many national games, someone is always sitting out. I think he's tired of Pop not putting the best team on the floor night after night and giving games away.

-He's done with PATFO holding on to all these old guys that keep taking roster spots, and guys that can't help the team but keep getting resigned for "loyalty" or whatever, even to the detriment of the team. A token guy is okay, but the Spurs constantly have their roster filled with these guys year after year. I mean, Manu AND Tony are still on the team in 2018 and STILL counted on as major parts of the roster. If that is going to happen, fine, they're Spurs legends, but then you bring old useless Pau back? Then you sign Patty to the big contract eating up lots of cap space? That's 4 roster spots being eaten up by so-so guys. That's too many. Manu is the exception, but he's 40 and can't bring it every night anymore. Plus, three of those guys can't help you beat the Warriors. You know, the team everyone is chasing.


Again, I'm not excusing Kawhi's behavior in any way, but I can see why he is frustrated and wants to get off the Spurs team as long as Pop is coaching and the front office keeps doing what they're doing.

Yeah.

If not Kawhi, his uncle for sure.

Pop has always been a self serving coach regardless what people say

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Again, I'm not excusing Kawhi's behavior in any way, but I can see why he is frustrated and wants to get off the Spurs team as long as Pop is coaching and the front office keeps doing what they're doing.

Frustrated being on a perennial 50 win team, that until this year was in the hunt for a ring every year he was here?

Frustrated playing for a coach and front office that developed him into what he became? That is universally known as the best in the business?

On a team that rested him to prolong his career, when he never played more than 70 games in a season due to injury every year?

Give me a fucking break.

Stop with your seeing both sides bullshit.

[Play Boban]

Frustrated being on a perennial 50 win team, that until this year was in the hunt for a ring every year he was here?

Frustrated playing for a coach and front office that developed him into what he became? That is universally known as the best in the business?

On a team that rested him to prolong his career, when he never played more than 70 games in a season due to injury every year?

Give me a fucking break.

Stop with your seeing both sides bullshit.
:wow Truth bomb the power of a million Hiroshimas :wow

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:wow Truth bomb the power of a million Hiroshimas :wow

����I drop bombs like Hiroshima����

[tholdren]

First, I'm liking when guys fart in my mouth

[UZER]

Frustrated being on a perennial 50 win team, that until this year was in the hunt for a ring every year he was here?

The rosters gotten worse, not better. You don't think that's frustrating?


Frustrated playing for a coach and front office that developed him into what he became? That is universally known as the best in the business?

Yeah. They just pushed a button and he become a star. His hours and hours in the gym had nothing to do with his development. Can't wait for Anderson and Forbes to become MVP candidates.


On a team that rested him to prolong his career, when he never played more than 70 games in a season due to injury every year?

Never? Are you sure?

[UZER]

Stop with your seeing both sides bullshit.

If you don't think both side carry blame, you're a blind homer. :lol

[pad300]

Yeah I think he's gone and I think that's what he wanted all along. Well his uncle and him. I created a thread (that was deleted) before the trade deadline stating that the front office (R.C) received the okay to trade him.

Apparently before that happened they actually had dinner with him and another player on the team to talk things out. According to what I was told Kawhi barely spoke. He checked out a long time ago. Things never got any better. They didn't end up trading him for whatever reason, but I'm sure that will be priority #1 as soon as this season is over.


It was a PG. Not Mills or Parker

There are 3 other PG's on the roster: White, Murray and Forbes. I am calling BS here. There is simply NO WAY the PATFO brought any of those young guys into such a meeting with Kawhi about his future. I could see them bringing in Aldridge as the big dog on the team. I could see them bringing in Parker and/or Manu on seniority. I could see them bringing in TD, just because he sets the standard for all Spurs players to live up to. But one of White, Murray or Forbes. Nope, no way, not buying it. This detail, at least is bullshit...

[offset formation]

The rosters gotten worse, not better. You don't think that's frustrating?

So you get to quit on your team and quit rooting them on because they question your lack of communication and/or dedication to them.


Yeah. They just pushed a button and he become a star. His hours and hours in the gym had nothing to do with his development. Can't wait for Anderson and Forbes to become MVP candidates.
Not my contention. He's obviously a gym rat. In fact, evidently, that's really all you can call him. He's certainly not the voice or the face of the franchise since he doesn't speak and can't be seen.

The Spurs certainly developed KL like no other team would have...slowly. Without making him face the pressure of the position. With excellent coaching and player development resources.



Never? Are you sure?

I meant he hasn't averaged 70 games in a year, my mistake.

Even if you remove this season from the totals, he **still** only averaged 66 GP. And this kid wants the supermax when he can't play the role of franchise player by at least sitting on the bench since he misses 16 games per year, **on average.**

[BackHome]

No way to repair this marriage just hope we have a good attorney who will get us the kids we need and draft picks.

[daslicer]

First, I'm not excusing what Kwahi has done in any way. He should be with the team. But I can see his issues. I said a long time ago, even last year, that Kawhi is not happy with the way Pop coaches. He doesn't like Pop undercutting him. It's not just one thing. I think its a combination of a lot of things.

-Kawhi doesn't like being subbed out when he clearly his a groove. There have been countless times where Kawhi gets rolling and Pop will just pull him mid groove. He'll have 15 in the first qtr, then gets pulled and plays 5 minutes the rest of the half. Kawhi sees other coaches let their players go on those special nights where they are just in a great rhythm. There are rare, rare occasions where pop lets him go. Kwahi wants to play like that every night, like other superstars on the league are allowed to. Tim Tony and Manu all got their chance to shine early in their careers. They "allowed" Pop's the micromanaging later. Kawhi hasn't been the man for but one year. He wants his chance to shine and put his stamp on the league.

-He doesn't like Pop pulling the plug so early on games, ESPECIALLY THE PLAYOFFS. How many time have we all seen Pop waive the white flag to start the 4th quarter. We all hate it and we don't even play. I can only imagine how much Kawhi hates it. He's been with him for 7 years and I think he's just finally had enough. All those losses add up and do damage to your overall seating come playoff time.

-He hates how all the resting changes the outcome of games before they start. So many national games, someone is always sitting out. I think he's tired of Pop not putting the best team on the floor night after night and giving games away.

-He's done with PATFO holding on to all these old guys that keep taking roster spots, and guys that can't help the team but keep getting resigned for "loyalty" or whatever, even to the detriment of the team. A token guy is okay, but the Spurs constantly have their roster filled with these guys year after year. I mean, Manu AND Tony are still on the team in 2018 and STILL counted on as major parts of the roster. If that is going to happen, fine, they're Spurs legends, but then you bring old useless Pau back? Then you sign Patty to the big contract eating up lots of cap space? That's 4 roster spots being eaten up by so-so guys. That's too many. Manu is the exception, but he's 40 and can't bring it every night anymore. Plus, three of those guys can't help you beat the Warriors. You know, the team everyone is chasing.


Again, I'm not excusing Kawhi's behavior in any way, but I can see why he is frustrated and wants to get off the Spurs team as long as Pop is coaching and the front office keeps doing what they're doing.

I can see him being frustrated with Pop's resting strategy, substitutions, and pulling the plug in games. The rest of the stuff you listed I believe is just you projecting your frustrations with the front office's move which I can agree with have been bad the last few years but I don't believe Kawhi the dumb autistic mute really cares about those things. Ultimately it comes down to what his uncle wants which is more endorsements, big shoe deal, and living in a big market. None of those 3 things are the Spurs fault.

[UZER]

So you get to quit on your team and quit rooting them on because they question your lack of communication and/or dedication to them.

I have never ever said this.


Not my contention. He's obviously a gym rat. In fact, evidently, that's really all you can call him. He's certainly not the voice or the face of the franchise since he doesn't speak and can't be seen.

The Spurs certainly developed KL like no other team would have...slowly. Without making him face the pressure of the position. With excellent coaching and player development resources.

They put him on a 6 year plan? :lol

You're giving the Spurs too much credit. Of course they helped, but if he could of developed faster, he would have. It's not like the Spurs were saying "Whoa Kawhi whoa! You're developing way too fast here! Let's slow it down." He developed at his pace putting in lots of hours in the gym.



I meant he hasn't averaged 70 games in a year, my mistake.

Even if you remove this season from the totals, he **still** only averaged 66 GP. And this kid wants the supermax when he can't play the role of franchise player by at least sitting on the bench since he misses 16 games per year, **on average.**

You obviously haven't read the stuff I've posted criticizing Kawhi.

[Play Boban]

The Spurs made Kawhi. He only is as good as he is because of Pop’s system. He will be a failure elsewhere. Durant was right. Watch and see. tbh.

[MoSpur02]

There are 3 other PG's on the roster: White, Murray and Forbes. I am calling BS here. There is simply NO WAY the PATFO brought any of those young guys into such a meeting with Kawhi about his future. I could see them bringing in Aldridge as the big dog on the team. I could see them bringing in Parker and/or Manu on seniority. I could see them bringing in TD, just because he sets the standard for all Spurs players to live up to. But one of White, Murray or Forbes. Nope, no way, not buying it. This detail, at least is bullshit...

That's your choice. You don't have to believe it.

[MoSpur02]

No way to repair this marriage just hope we have a good attorney who will get us the kids we need and draft picks.

:lol. Pretty much

[sasaint]

No way to repair this marriage just hope we have a good attorney who will get us the kids we need and draft picks.

We need a new "attorney", tbh.

[Chillen]

The Spurs made Kawhi. He only is as good as he is because of Pop’s system. He will be a failure elsewhere. Durant was right. Watch and see. tbh.

Haha, well the Spurs can get all the Lakers young talent for him Magic wants Kawhi on the team really bad.

[baseline bum]

Haha, well the Spurs can get all the Lakers young talent for him Magic wants Kawhi on the team really bad.

The most talented Laker is the biggest cancer in the league thanks to his retard father, so gotta pass on Magic's offer unless he can make a trade for a high lottery pick.

[exstatic]

There are 3 other PG's on the roster: White, Murray and Forbes. I am calling BS here. There is simply NO WAY the PATFO brought any of those young guys into such a meeting with Kawhi about his future. I could see them bringing in Aldridge as the big dog on the team. I could see them bringing in Parker and/or Manu on seniority. I could see them bringing in TD, just because he sets the standard for all Spurs players to live up to. But one of White, Murray or Forbes. Nope, no way, not buying it. This detail, at least is bullshit...

DeJounte worked out with him last summer. Maybe they thought that connection would open the dialogue.

[Pauleta14]

First, I'm not excusing what Kwahi has done in any way. He should be with the team. But I can see his issues. I said a long time ago, even last year, that Kawhi is not happy with the way Pop coaches. He doesn't like Pop undercutting him. It's not just one thing. I think its a combination of a lot of things.

-Kawhi doesn't like being subbed out when he clearly his a groove. There have been countless times where Kawhi gets rolling and Pop will just pull him mid groove. He'll have 15 in the first qtr, then gets pulled and plays 5 minutes the rest of the half. Kawhi sees other coaches let their players go on those special nights where they are just in a great rhythm. There are rare, rare occasions where pop lets him go. Kwahi wants to play like that every night, like other superstars on the league are allowed to. Tim Tony and Manu all got their chance to shine early in their careers. They "allowed" Pop's the micromanaging later. Kawhi hasn't been the man for but one year. He wants his chance to shine and put his stamp on the league.

-He doesn't like Pop pulling the plug so early on games, ESPECIALLY THE PLAYOFFS. How many time have we all seen Pop waive the white flag to start the 4th quarter. We all hate it and we don't even play. I can only imagine how much Kawhi hates it. He's been with him for 7 years and I think he's just finally had enough. All those losses add up and do damage to your overall seating come playoff time.

-He hates how all the resting changes the outcome of games before they start. So many national games, someone is always sitting out. I think he's tired of Pop not putting the best team on the floor night after night and giving games away.

-He's done with PATFO holding on to all these old guys that keep taking roster spots, and guys that can't help the team but keep getting resigned for "loyalty" or whatever, even to the detriment of the team. A token guy is okay, but the Spurs constantly have their roster filled with these guys year after year. I mean, Manu AND Tony are still on the team in 2018 and STILL counted on as major parts of the roster. If that is going to happen, fine, they're Spurs legends, but then you bring old useless Pau back? Then you sign Patty to the big contract eating up lots of cap space? That's 4 roster spots being eaten up by so-so guys. That's too many. Manu is the exception, but he's 40 and can't bring it every night anymore. Plus, three of those guys can't help you beat the Warriors. You know, the team everyone is chasing.


Again, I'm not excusing Kawhi's behavior in any way, but I can see why he is frustrated and wants to get off the Spurs team as long as Pop is coaching and the front office keeps doing what they're doing.


Why don't you just replace "he" by "I"...? :blah

There are so many facts from his personality to his past actions that could contradict your "theories"...

With any other player, why not, but he isn't a "me" guy and has never been, Furthermore, Pop made him as good as he is WITH his "micromanagement", he would be dumb not to be aware of it. And the last argument is so ridiculous I won't waste time arguing it...

The issue has to be either way bigger than that or simply related to his (hungry) Uncle getting into his head.

[weebo]

First, I'm not excusing what Kwahi has done in any way. He should be with the team. But I can see his issues. I said a long time ago, even last year, that Kawhi is not happy with the way Pop coaches. He doesn't like Pop undercutting him. It's not just one thing. I think its a combination of a lot of things.

-Kawhi doesn't like being subbed out when he clearly his a groove. There have been countless times where Kawhi gets rolling and Pop will just pull him mid groove. He'll have 15 in the first qtr, then gets pulled and plays 5 minutes the rest of the half. Kawhi sees other coaches let their players go on those special nights where they are just in a great rhythm. There are rare, rare occasions where pop lets him go. Kwahi wants to play like that every night, like other superstars on the league are allowed to. Tim Tony and Manu all got their chance to shine early in their careers. They "allowed" Pop's the micromanaging later. Kawhi hasn't been the man for but one year. He wants his chance to shine and put his stamp on the league.

-He doesn't like Pop pulling the plug so early on games, ESPECIALLY THE PLAYOFFS. How many time have we all seen Pop waive the white flag to start the 4th quarter. We all hate it and we don't even play. I can only imagine how much Kawhi hates it. He's been with him for 7 years and I think he's just finally had enough. All those losses add up and do damage to your overall seating come playoff time.

-He hates how all the resting changes the outcome of games before they start. So many national games, someone is always sitting out. I think he's tired of Pop not putting the best team on the floor night after night and giving games away.

-He's done with PATFO holding on to all these old guys that keep taking roster spots, and guys that can't help the team but keep getting resigned for "loyalty" or whatever, even to the detriment of the team. A token guy is okay, but the Spurs constantly have their roster filled with these guys year after year. I mean, Manu AND Tony are still on the team in 2018 and STILL counted on as major parts of the roster. If that is going to happen, fine, they're Spurs legends, but then you bring old useless Pau back? Then you sign Patty to the big contract eating up lots of cap space? That's 4 roster spots being eaten up by so-so guys. That's too many. Manu is the exception, but he's 40 and can't bring it every night anymore. Plus, three of those guys can't help you beat the Warriors. You know, the team everyone is chasing.


Again, I'm not excusing Kawhi's behavior in any way, but I can see why he is frustrated and wants to get off the Spurs team as long as Pop is coaching and the front office keeps doing what they're doing.

So basically what you're saying is leonad is tired of winning.

[Mugen]

How long before he makes a formal trade request known to the media tbh? I'd be surprised if it's not by early next week :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

How long before he makes a formal trade request known to the media tbh? I'd be surprised if it's not by early next week :lol
If the Spurms start talking to shitty teams, you bet your ass he'll talk to Windhorst and give him the only teams he'd re-sign with.

That would mean goodbye to good offer PATFO had on the table, so it's better if they just give in to Kawhi's commands and he'll remain quiet.

[SAGirl]

Dejounte AND Kyle both were going to train with Kiwi last summer. It didn't happen. In retrospect, Kiwi likely got the hamstring injury and cancelled the sessions, since his injury worsened in the summer.

I do believe Dijon admires him and has looked up him. Pop has also asked him to step up in the leadership department... Not saying I believe the account, just setting the record straight.

[spursistan]

988175173437313027

:lmaoo

[YGWHI]

988175173437313027

:lmaoo

This guy will kiss Kawhi's ass if he's able to heal and play at an MVP level again... Great performances and success change narratives in a second. We'll see.

[MoSpur02]

988175173437313027

:lmaoo

:lmao:lmao

That dude deserves the jokes. He's a sorry excuse for a teammate.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

988175173437313027

:lmaoo


holy shit :lmao

[spursistan]

986082421987790848

[RD2191]

This guy will kiss Kawhi's ass if he's able to heal and play at an MVP level again... Great performances and success change narratives in a second. We'll see.

Of course he will. They just enjoy kicking a player when he's down. Kawhi will be back and better than ever next season.

[Spursmania]

986082421987790848

[RD2191]

986082421987790848

What's with the Kawhi obsession tbh? Why not just enjoy the win?

[RD2191]

And that tweet also isn't truthful. If kawhi was cleared to play he'd be playing.

[Play Boban]

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Truth bombs the power of a million supernovas. :wow

[DPG21920]

What's with the Kawhi obsession tbh? Why not just enjoy the win?

:lmao You said in the game thread when they were winning a bunch of negative stuff and I had to tell you this exact same thing

[DPG21920]

And that tweet also isn't truthful. If kawhi was cleared to play he'd be playing.

Kawhi is cleared by SA’s doctors. So at worst it’s partially true.

[RD2191]

:lmao You said in the game thread when they were winning a bunch of negative stuff and I had to tell you this exact same thing

Tbh I never said I'm enjoying the win. :lol

[SAGirl]

RD21 has become a very sour playerfan. Maybe he's always been this way, but has been closeted white nicely. The gloves came off with Kiwi getting criticized, which is completely normal. It actually took all year for things to get to this point. He would have benefited sooner if he was in LA 4 sure.

[tholdren]

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Kl needs mote help.... the lebum era is worst nba talent and competitive nature of all time

[spursistan]

What's with the Kawhi obsession tbh? Why not just enjoy the win?
Our "franchise player" is trending worldwide for being a coward and you are accusing of personal obsession..

Bring me the old Rob Diaz-- the one who called faggots from a mile away :cry

[apalisoc_9]

RD21 has become a very sour playerfan. Maybe he's always been this way, but has been closeted white nicely. The gloves came off with Kiwi getting criticized, which is completely normal. It actually took all year for things to get to this point. He would have benefited sooner if he was in LA 4 sure.

You were actually very happy when kawhi missed significant time since it allowed fathead to play.

Obssessing over the best player is normal.

Obssessing over a scrub is borderline mental.

[SAGirl]

Nah I haven’t cheered this thing going on with Kiwi anywhere. My posts stand for themselves.

[MoSpur02]

I'm sure SAGirl was happy to see Anderson get more playing time, but not at the cost of losing Leonard.

[SAGirl]

^ Exactly. I wanted the opportunity for him to play. He earned it and Pop said he’d still play in the rotation this year once Kiwi come back, when they still had hope for a normal season. I wanted him to get an opportunity to be a rotation player and he earned it fair and square. The rest of the season wasn’t meant to go as it did.

I have wanted and want Kawhi back and have said so everywhere. Dudes leg has “gangrened” though.

Apalisoc is just really bored right now and just trolling... so lazily that it’s not even a good attempt...

[jiggy_55]

Kawhi's sister posted on instagram calling out haters who are just speculating and telling them to lay off, and saying Kawhi is working to get 100% healthy in order to give 100% on the court. @ kawhileonardofficialfanpage if you have an instagram account

[DeRozan m8]

Kawhi's sister posted on instagram calling out haters who are just speculating and telling them to lay off, and saying Kawhi is working to get 100% healthy in order to give 100% on the court. @ kawhileonardofficialfanpage if you have an instagram account

Maybe Kawhi could come out and just set the record straight.

Its fucking stupid.

You're getting paid $19m....earn it, say something.

[duncan2k5]

Maybe Kawhi could come out and just set the record straight.

Its fucking stupid.

You're getting paid $19m....earn it, say something.

He isn't being paid to talk on Twitter... He earns his money with his play... 19 million is nothing for a player of his caliber... He has been underpaid for years because of his contract... Players get injured all the time... It is part of the game... U look dumb as shit telling an injured player to earn their money

[DeRozan m8]

He isn't being paid to talk on Twitter... He earns his money with his play... 19 million is nothing for a player of his caliber... He has been underpaid for years because of his contract... Players get injured all the time... It is part of the game... U look dumb as shit telling an injured player to earn their money

He's handled it terribly, you're an idiot if you think otherwise.

[acoelho1]

He isn't being paid to talk on Twitter... He earns his money with his play... 19 million is nothing for a player of his caliber... He has been underpaid for years because of his contract... Players get injured all the time... It is part of the game... U look dumb as shit telling an injured player to earn their money

You look dumb thinking superstar players don’t have to engage with the fans. Only reason players like Leonard can make this kind of money is because of the fans. I agree that he shouldn’t be playing if he is still injured but that doesn’t absolve him of his other duties as the face of the franchise. If you think Spurs fans are being harsh, imagine the blow back he would get if he played for the lakers. I don’t care that he doesn’t like to talk and whether you agree or not, he has an obligation to the fans..period!.

[barbacoataco]

Players get injured all the time. But they don't usually stay out for weeks or months after being cleared by team doctors. For an injury that didn't require surgery. And then refuse to talk about it.

[MoSpur02]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh5ubrEHOTb/?hl=en

[buttsR4rebounding]

You look dumb thinking superstar players don’t have to engage with the fans. Only reason players like Leonard can make this kind of money is because of the fans. I agree that he shouldn’t be playing if he is still injured but that doesn’t absolve him of his other duties as the face of the franchise. If you think Spurs fans are being harsh,imagine the blow back he would get if he played for the lakers . I don’t care that he doesn’t like to talk and whether you agree or not, he has an obligation to the fans..period!.

If he had been playing for the Lakers ESPN would be doing a daily count of how many days it has been since he was cleared by team doctors and not playing. He would have gotten 20 times more criticism as he has gotten as a member of the Spurs.

[pad300]

He isn't being paid to talk on Twitter... He earns his money with his play... 19 million is nothing for a player of his caliber... He has been underpaid for years because of his contract... Players get injured all the time... It is part of the game... U look dumb as shit telling an injured player to earn their money

How so? He got the maximum contract that any player in his position could get?

[tholdren]

He's handled it terribly, you're an idiot if you think otherwise.

I told you all from day 1. Just come out and say the deal

[spursistan]

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A pity tweet for this man, or rather his memory :(..

[bic50]

Bunch of weirdos in here. Damn

[Othyus Lalanne]

Bunch of weirdos in here. Damn

Define Spustalk normal for me.

[DPG21920]

Bunch of weirdos in here. Damn

This thread isn’t even about SA fans; so if you think fans here are weirdo’s then the entire country is.

[spursistan]

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Another round of twitter roasting for this gullible dumbfuck :lol..

[RD2191]

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Another round of twitter roasting for this gullible dumbfuck :lol..

Kawhi ain't KD son.

[ismael-robert]

Bout to be

[dbestpro]

Wherever he ends up it will be interesting to see how he handles being one of the most hated players when ever he plays on the road.

[DeRozan m8]

Look forward to seeing his first return to the AT&T....dude will probably buckle and fake an injury.

I mean, leaving in Free Agency, you'd kind of deal with it....but the way he's gone about this, from the way he behaved this past season, to not even seeing his contract out is just fvcking pathetic.

Bascially stole $20m off the spurs and took a shit on his fans