Respect and appreciation for Davis and Kyle tbh

[SAGirl]

I think of all FA the Spurs have this summer they are the most interesting, not just due to age and size but they rarely found themselves with real rotation minutes outside this season and performed well enough when called to do so. The market is really bland but should still get interest from other teams and can’t assume they will be back. Like Boban, JSimms, Marco, CoJo, Baynes, and Dedmon, Spurs get these guys on the cheap but when it’s time to pay up they move on.

So time to pour one for the homies. I enjoyed watching them. Will always have that alley oop that made assist of the year

:bobo

[ElNono]

I have nothing against Betrans... I actually wish he would've gotten some of Kyle's mins...

[SAGirl]

I have nothing against Betrans... I actually wish he would've gotten some of Kyle's mins...
Wouldn’t have expected you to say anything else tbh...

[ElNono]

As far as Cancerson, I hope he's out of the league in a couple years, tbh... his game is so cringe-worthy, it sucks to watch no matter the team...

That said, it's not his fault he's a limited player and that PATFO stuck with him this long...

[SAGirl]

^ that’s the cancernono ... there he is

[ElNono]

Wouldn’t have expected you to say anything else tbh...

tbh, I had to put up with Bonner for many years, even when he was actually taking minutes from Splitter...

That's the thing with Kyle and the PATFO fascination... this situation can actually get worse. This scrub could be taking minutes away from solid prospects in the future.

[SAGirl]

tbh, I had to put up with Bonner for many years, even when he was actually taking minutes from Splitter...

That's the thing with Kyle and the PATFO fascination... this situation can actually get worse. This scrub could be taking minutes away from solid prospects in the future.
You are bitter Nono... don’t know what happened to you.

[MannyIsGod]

I would definitely give Davis another chance at a very cheap deal, but not much more than that. Man, I did a complete 180 on Kyle in this series. In Game 5, he showed a bit down the stretch, but honestly the rest of the series he was so damn lost and scared. I could accept that easily from a rookie or 2nd year player, but Kyle Anderson is way too old and experienced to have looked like that. That mindset isn't something you develop at this point in his career. I think the Spurs should just walk away from him.

[DeRozan m8]

Would love to never have to cheer for Kyle again tbh

Would also love to never have to hope one of Dannys shots go in tbh

[CapitalEmm]

I would appreciate Kyle more if he was stashed away on the bench of a different team. Wouldn’t mind seeing Bertans get another go though. He’s like a less shitty Bonner.

[tbdog]

If you get Lebron, you keep Bertans and let Kyle walk. Most likely, Spurs upgrade their sg position and Kyle/Gay starts at pf.

[palangi]

Wouldn’t have expected you to say anything else tbh...

And we don't expect anything less but your adoration for a terrible player.
Grey out of here with your Anderson love. He is bad player that is afraid to try and score.

[apalisoc_9]

Hope Kyle gets traded.

Hes a scrub.

[offset formation]

It's time to move on from Kyle probably, unless he wants to stay for cheap. His defense was good but not good enough to warrant keeping his horrendous offense on the floor given this team's offensive shortcomings. There were too many times in games where he just simply was a straight up liability, by either not taking a shot, not making someone guard him thereby allowing LA to get doubled, or missing badly enough that it created fast break points the other way. His defensive position flexibility simply isn't worth the offensive ineptitude.

[Dverde]

Fathead needs to go. Never had issues with Bertrans, I hope he sticks around.

[FireMicoHalili]

I’d expect Kyle to get around $8M-$10M and the Spurs will be willing to match any offer around that range. Anything more than that is an overpay. The front office has leverage to give him a cheaper deal since Leonard is still under contract and they can take a wing with the draft pick. He was solid but not spectacular during the regular season and we all honestly expected a bit more from this guy, even if he’s the last pick of the first round of his draft or even if he wasn’t pegged to fill a scoring role since people saw him as Diaw’s replacement, a role which needed facilitating more than scoring. He’s still best suited for a bench role and definitely not a guy you’d start against Golden State or Houston. Unique skill set will interest a handful of teams, though he won’t have a lot of suitors since he’s a tweener who’s only effective in specific five-man combinations. Also shot poorly this year which hurts his value.

Davis is good as gone since shooters are always in demand. He’s probably this year’s token white big the Pistons will be stealing from the Spurs, although they already have Ellenson. I agree with some posters that Davis makes drafting Dzanan Musa redundant, but Musa’s advantages are a scorer’s mentality and a killer instinct. Unless Pop extremely likes Musa it’s most likely Pop keeps Davis over a rook. Will probably go from $5M to $10M depending on how much a team values shooting, but he won’t be picked up right off the bat. Has a bigger market than Kyle Anderson because of his skill set.

As an aside I think we all agree the Spurs need faster three and D wings with healthy pairs of legs.

[spurraider21]

If Anderson developed a jumper over the years and didn’t pass up every open 3 i would want him back.

I would give Bertans another shot

[bklynspursfan]

I would definitely give Davis another chance at a very cheap deal, but not much more than that. Man, I did a complete 180 on Kyle in this series. In Game 5, he showed a bit down the stretch, but honestly the rest of the series he was so damn lost and scared. I could accept that easily from a rookie or 2nd year player, but Kyle Anderson is way too old and experienced to have looked like that. That mindset isn't something you develop at this point in his career. I think the Spurs should just walk away from him.

I have similar thoughts. Especially cause last year he seemed to make some stuff happen in the WCF. It was frustrating to watch, against a weaker GS team. The one thing I'll give him is he had a much bigger role this year than was planned for, and overall he did a commendable job trying to fill that role. But the playoffs were definitely a disappointment

[hater]

Kyle would be a beast in europe tbqh

He should go there and win and maybe even run for MVP

He is too slow and dumb defnsively for NBA

GTFO tbqh

Bertans could rmain in SA tbqh he has tools to be decent

[BackHome]

In this league you need shooters or you need to be a lock down rebounding defender Anderson is neither and not just hating on Anderson you can add Green and Forbes to that list.

[SAGirl]

Thought Kyle acquitted himself quite fine. He didn't play well in the first two games but then again, outside garbage time, he played only 5-6 minutes stints. Bryn Forbes and Davis Bertans played big minutes both games, blowout losses btw, and for the record accompanied by paltry shooting. Davis ended up playing more minutes overall than Kyle did.

Kyle played much better the last 3 games. He's an oddball but is a legit NBA player and likely will be gone IMO. Spurs need to look for scoring talent, and he's not it.
Davis is easier to fit in, but also a flight risk, as he's going to want to get paid just as well and he has his flaws.

So cheers to both guys. Thanks for the season you gave us, of which Kiwi played only 200 minutes.
:bobo

[SAGirl]

I’d expect Kyle to get around $8M-$10M and the Spurs will be willing to match any offer around that range. Anything more than that is an overpay. The front office has leverage to give him a cheaper deal since Leonard is still under contract and they can take a wing with the draft pick. He was solid but not spectacular during the regular season and we all honestly expected a bit more from this guy, even if he’s the last pick of the first round of his draft or even if he wasn’t pegged to fill a scoring role since people saw him as Diaw’s replacement, a role which needed facilitating more than scoring. He’s still best suited for a bench role and definitely not a guy you’d start against Golden State or Houston. Unique skill set will interest a handful of teams, though he won’t have a lot of suitors since he’s a tweener who’s only effective in specific five-man combinations. Also shot poorly this year which hurts his value.

Davis is good as gone since shooters are always in demand. He’s probably this year’s token white big the Pistons will be stealing from the Spurs, although they already have Ellenson. I agree with some posters that Davis makes drafting Dzanan Musa redundant, but Musa’s advantages are a scorer’s mentality and a killer instinct. Unless Pop extremely likes Musa it’s most likely Pop keeps Davis over a rook. Will probably go from $5M to $10M depending on how much a team values shooting, but he won’t be picked up right off the bat. Has a bigger market than Kyle Anderson because of his skill set.

As an aside I think we all agree the Spurs need faster three and D wings with healthy pairs of legs.
:toast Good take. Appreciate the intelligent opinion.

[dabom]

People say I troll. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd like to see Kyle go elsewhere for both the Spurs and his sake..he's an awkward fit with this team, they need a more conventional player at his position..he would benefit from going to a different team where he could utilize his skills more..

His defense is top-tier, but his lack of shot and resistance to even attempt one makes him a useless off-ball player..

Hope we don't lose SAGirl if he leaves, though..this place wouldn't be the same without her, tbh..

[Ocotillo]

I like both these guys but they did disappoint this season. Kyle needs to shoot and needs to develop a better shot. Davis, I don't know, I am too lazy to dig out his shooting % this season but man he hit a lot of iron heaving up threes this year.

I reeaalllyyy want Mills and Forbes gone. I was rooting for Forbes but he's a poor mans Patty. How many undersized shooting guards can a roster hold?

[hater]

Did someon say Kyles defnse is top tier??

:lmao

Nah

[SAGirl]

I'd like to see Kyle go elsewhere for both the Spurs and his sake..he's an awkward fit with this team, they need a more conventional player at his position..he would benefit from going to a different team where he could utilize his skills more..

His defense is top-tier, but his lack of shot and resistance to even attempt one makes him a useless off-ball player..

Hope we don't lose SAGirl if he leaves, though..this place wouldn't be the same without her, tbh..

:toast
I'll probably watch some games of his to see what he's doing elsewhere. I think he's definitely a roleplayer that needs to play with scoring talent and while considering the short span of NBA careers, he needs to look out for his own pay day first, I think he's going to want to play with some superstar somewhere. Considering the contract he will likely command is around an amount that is affordable for many teams, he could play in many places so it might come down to his predilection and a good environment for him. At least that is what I hope. I don't think he will look for a situation like Jsimms where he's going to stadpad in a poor team since that is so obviously not his game. I always said he needed to work on that 3 and it showed, and when he needed it he got exposed. I'd say keep working on it, if you want to last...

Anyways, that is as far as it goes with him.

As for me, contrary to appearances my interest in the team is not tied to him. He was the only young player in this team for a couple of seasons in 2014-15 and 2015-16. I watched several of his games in the dleague with Jon Simms and thus knew him quite well and for a couple of years there was no other young player to look forward to... At the same time he was very much hated so I kind of grew overprotective ... it was also the beginning of my posting here since the registration for the site was closed for years... my predilection is certainly there, why deny it, but it has been overblown in the sense that he's not the only guy I care to watch the Spurs for.

My interest to the Spurs right now is more closely tied to what they do this summer.

I really don't want a watch a season of the Paddy Mills/Murray backcourt duo again tbh. I liked Murray's development through the season and it's obvious that Pop likes him... but this team was very unlikeable as it was without Kawhi, and although much criticism fell on Kyle as he took a bulk of Kiwi's minutes, even in games he missed when injured or when he got benched in the playoffs, this team was still a very unlikeable team. I know you are aware of what I mean.

HOpefully White is a bright spot to look forward to next season and perhaps there is some tweaking of the roster... or something. Perhaps Murray will be much better next season, perhaps Kiwi will be healthy or Spurs revamp this roster with a package of players/picks. Hopefully they make this more interesting to watch.
:bobo

[KimmyGib]

All in all I thought Kyle had a pretty good season. If he can ever become a shooting threat, he'll do big things.

Cheers to those guys. Wishing them luck wherever they end up.

[ElNono]

You are bitter Nono... don’t know what happened to you.

I'm not, tbh, at all... I'm just tired of seeing the same shit happen over and over... hopefully we drop this sucker now

[SAGirl]

I'm not, tbh, at all... I'm just tired of seeing the same shit happen over and over... hopefully we drop this sucker now
think you will perhaps feel better when he's somewhere else and you have a new pet peeve... that is fine. There will be more. :lol
:toast

[SAGirl]

All in all I thought Kyle had a pretty good season. If he can ever become a shooting threat, he'll do big things.

Cheers to those guys. Wishing them luck wherever they end up.
This is the spirit.
:toast

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs need more two way players. You can't continue to sacrifice offense for defense and vice versa for long stretches and expect the Spurs to be anything less than inconsistent. Let them both walk or sign Bertans to minimum deal and strap him to the end of the bench and use hum in garbage time.

[lmbebo]

Anderson I think excels when he controls the ball. Not as good when working off of the ball. Really needs to be more aggressive when looking to score and needs to improve his shooting. I think he improved this year, but better off elsewhere.

Bertans - I'd keep him for the right price. Near min deal like Joff.

[ECOV]

As far as Cancerson, I hope he's out of the league in a couple years, tbh... his game is so cringe-worthy, it sucks to watch no matter the team...

That said, it's not his fault he's a limited player and that PATFO stuck with him this long...
so just because his game is cringe-worthy, you want him out of the league , how sad

[SAGirl]

Think Davis isn't coming back for the minimum tbh... might be gone as I said.
Respect and appreciation. :toast

[Chucho]

They both are garbage and would like both of them anywhere but on a Spurs roster. Fathead is soooooooo inconsistent and Davis is a pussy who's afraid to rebound and isn't a particularly good shooter either.

[tholdren]

Nba talentless

[MoSpur02]

Honestly no thanks to either one of those guys. For a minimum contract yes, but nothing over that.

[tholdren]

The only way i appreciate these two boners is if they end pau gasols career

[ElNono]

so just because his game is cringe-worthy, you want him out of the league , how sad

Sad is watching this mofo play... I'm a paying customer, tbh, entitled to an opinion...

[tholdren]

Sad is watching this mofo play... I'm a paying customer, tbh, entitled to an opinion...

Nba.. where overhyped ghetto talent low iq terrible fundamentals live

[Stabula]

Wow so many bad takes. This has to be the worst fan base of any small market team. Kyle Anderson was solid, versatile, and cheap. If he continues to stay cheap he's a good rotation player to have.

[tholdren]

Wow so many bad takes. This has to be the worst fan base of any small market team. Kyle Anderson was solid, versatile, and cheap. If he continues to stay cheap he's a good rotation player to have.

Lol ok. He shot ZERO percent from three this playoffs and 23 percent his career. He averaged .6 apg and topg this year.... he had a great game last night shooting down 12 plus.... wtf are you talking about

[venitian navigator]

they are young and have valuable skills, and they have been with us for years. I don't think they're gonna command big money on a dry market, expecially after so so season ...so, imho, they could be both re-signed be part of next season roster and rotation. range? Bertans 4/6, Kyle 6/8 per season.

[ElNono]

they are young and have valuable skills, and they have been with us for years. I don't think they're gonna command big money on a dry market, expecially after so so season ...so, imho, they could be both re-signed be part of next season roster and rotation. range? Bertans 4/6, Kyle 6/8 per season.

Why would the Spurs want to re-sign known mediocre talent, which they already know the ceiling of? Just start a new project with different talent and hope it has a higher ceiling...

I mean, with Betrans is more debatable since he's been here less time and have gotten less minutes.

[Hoops Czar]

Why would the Spurs want to re-sign known mediocre talent, which they already know the ceiling of? Just start a new project with different talent and hope it has a higher ceiling...

I mean, with Betrans is more debatable since he's been here less time and have gotten less minutes.

Because they've been doing it for years?

[keithington1]

We need both of these guys to match up with the Warriors length

[BackHome]

You know I watched or was at all Toros games and I was really suprised how good Livio started playing at the end of the season. He was scoring around 20 pts and averaging 6 rebounds and a couple of assists. His handles look good and so did his mid rage shot and he looked a lot more athletic and comfortable while playing. To me I would roll the dice I believe he is a better defender then Anderson and has better offense then Davis.

[TheGreatYacht]

We need both of these guys to match up with the Warriors length
The Warriors need these guys as well, so they can triple team LMA and not suffer any consequences :lol