Aldridge: Sense is Leonard isn't burning to leave, but wants leeway befitting status

[TD 21]

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/04/30/morning-tip-lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-paul-george-future-playoff-exits?collection=david-aldridge

The sense one gets is that Leonard isn't burning to leave town, but at 26, he realizes this is his best and last chance to look around, see what else is out there. And he sees other franchises that allow their superstars a certain, shall we say, leeway in determining how they'll handle their business. They bring friends into the organization, both formally and informally, to guide them and give them familiar faces with which they're comfortable with to travel and hang out with at home.

That is not the Spurs' Way.

[rjv]

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/04/30/morning-tip-lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-paul-george-future-playoff-exits?collection=david-aldridge

The sense one gets is that Leonard isn't burning to leave town, but at 26, he realizes this is his best and last chance to look around, see what else is out there. And he sees other franchises that allow their superstars a certain, shall we say, leeway in determining how they'll handle their business. They bring friends into the organization, both formally and informally, to guide them and give them familiar faces with which they're comfortable with to travel and hang out with at home.

That is not the Spurs' Way.







it's not. but the pop/aldridge outcome wasn't exactly the 'spurs way' either. it may have even been something leonard took notice of.

[Robz4000]

They did the same with Timmy iirc, and Tony's brothers to a lesser extent. Hell, they brought on some of their friends around the league (albeit they were legitimate impact players/personnel).

[Slippy]

Welcome to Kawhi & his group . In a past season of firsts for a spurs player, next season should be just as interesting if Kawhi is back . :lol

[Dex]

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/04/30/morning-tip-lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-paul-george-future-playoff-exits?collection=david-aldridge

The sense one gets is that Leonard isn't burning to leave town, but at 26, he realizes this is his best and last chance to look around, see what else is out there. And he sees other franchises that allow their superstars a certain, shall we say, leeway in determining how they'll handle their business. They bring friends into the organization, both formally and informally, to guide them and give them familiar faces with which they're comfortable with to travel and hang out with at home.

That is not the Spurs' Way.






If that's all he really wants, that would actually not be that bad. Spurs can actually accommodate that.

[Dverde]

Bring back Cory Joseph, the Kawhi whisperer.

[coachmac87]

Perfect way to adjust and change ways and pitch to LeBron...

If Kawhi/PATFO fix their “issues” Spurs become a dark horse in the King sweepstakes...and as we know that will be a perk LeBron would want..

Time to “adjust the culture”..

[KDKSpurs24]

How the fuck did this go from an “injury” to “bringing in friends”?? Like.. wow. This is ridiculously all over the place. Means lots of lying took place, of course.

[SAGirl]

The uncle wants in? I don't see Leonard wanting to make business decisions tho who knows at this point?

[buttsR4rebounding]

How the fuck did this go from an “injury” to “bringing in friends”?? Like.. wow. This is ridiculously all over the place. Means lots of lying took place, of course.

You mean everything in the media wasn't true?:stirpot::stirpot:

[RGMCSE]

How the fuck did this go from an “injury” to “bringing in friends”?? Like.. wow. This is ridiculously all over the place. Means lots of lying took place, of course.

Exactly. Now every scrub ass "sports journo" has the scoop...

[spurraider21]

if they can get him to sign on the dotted line im good with that

[picnroll]

The NBA is one fucked up workplace. Imagine 12 players and their “groups” all fighting to control things. What a zoo.

[FkLA]

Wtf happened to just playing ball? His current max contract and possible supermax is "befitting of his status" and differentiates him from the rest of the players on the team. Sounds like his unc wants to go full blown Lavar Ball.

[apalisoc_9]

Basically doesnt want to benched when he is close to 30 pts. Poop.

[DPG21920]

Basically doesnt want to benched when he is close to 30 pts. Poop.

:lol yet can’t stay on the court even with his minutes limited.

[bklynspursfan]

Basically doesnt want to benched when he is close to 30 pts. Poop.

Except im pretty sure he broke the record for most 30+ point games last season by a Spur, surpassing D-Rob. Try harder

[DPG21920]

It’s funny you keep seeing this “language” pop up. Turned down Jordan offer because the offer didn’t reflect his “status” in the league. Wants leeway benefitting his status. Hard to know what’s what, but man it’s odd.

He’s staying with SA though.

[Snaq O'Meal]

It’s funny you keep seeing this “language” pop up. Turned down Jordan offer because the offer didn’t reflect his “status” in the league. Wants leeway benefitting his status. Hard to know what’s what, but man it’s odd.

He’s staying with SA though.

Certainly doesn’t sound like the Leonard we all know. Perhaps his uncle has meddled around way more than he should. Even Lavar wasn’t that cancerous.

[Strategic]

In the last week he wants easier practices and buddies to hang with?

[BillMc]

It’s funny you keep seeing this “language” pop up. Turned down Jordan offer because the offer didn’t reflect his “status” in the league. Wants leeway benefitting his status. Hard to know what’s what, but man it’s odd.

He’s staying with SA though.

Taking seasons off can't help your status in the league too much I imagine.

[coachmac87]

Certainly doesn’t sound like the Leonard we all know. Perhaps his uncle has meddled around way more than he should. Even Lavar wasn’t that cancerous.

Or maybe that’s the way he’s always been..except he stood in his place with #21 still around and now with #9 and #20 out the door he wants the keys to the castle...

It’s leverage any Top 5 player would want not named Duncan in a smaller market..I mean didn’t Duncan ask for the same thing during Orlando pitch to him???

Like the article said..Kawhi KNOWS he has the Lakers or other big markets by the balls..why not ask for the most you can get??

IMO there’s not much to think about..especially like I said if PATFO even want to consider kicking the tires on LeBron..

[Leetonidas]

Ugh

[boutons_deux]

Taking seasons off can't help your status in the league too much I imagine.

having a multi-season chronic injury hurts his prospects

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi fightig for his rights.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/04/30/morning-tip-lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-paul-george-future-playoff-exits?collection=david-aldridge

The sense one gets is that Leonard isn't burning to leave town, but at 26, he realizes this is his best and last chance to look around, see what else is out there. And he sees other franchises that allow their superstars a certain, shall we say, leeway in determining how they'll handle their business. They bring friends into the organization, both formally and informally, to guide them and give them familiar faces with which they're comfortable with to travel and hang out with at home.

That is not the Spurs' Way.






To me this is the only way you can have sustained success like the Spurs have had for almost 2 decades. The Spurs are a tried and true system. I would see they might try to accommodate some of that but I'm pretty sure he isn't going to become the new Iverson at San Antonio

[DPG21920]

Wanting people around is no big deal at all. Pretty much all stars have this going on; even Tim did to a degree.

[daslicer]

Or maybe that’s the way he’s always been..except he stood in his place with #21 still around and now with #9 and #20 out the door he wants the keys to the castle...

It’s leverage any Top 5 player would want not named Duncan in a smaller market..I mean didn’t Duncan ask for the same thing during Orlando pitch to him???

Like the article said..Kawhi KNOWS he has the Lakers or other big markets by the balls..why not ask for the most you can get??

IMO there’s not much to think about..especially like I said if PATFO even want to consider kicking the tires on LeBron..

Can't think of a top 5 player outside of Lebron that had that type of control. Curry-Durant don't have that type of power in Golden State. I don't recall Harden having that type of power in Houston. I'm not down with the Spurs hiring his unqualified idiot friends and family members for jobs and influence within the organization. Not even Duncan tried to levy for a power grab like that.

From what I call the type of power Duncan had within the organization was that the Spurs FO would consult with him when it came to free agent signings, trades, etc. I remember many years ago when Peter Holt was having a contract dispute with Parker for an extension way back in the fall of '04 and asked Duncan whether or not he should give Parker the extension. Holt gave in and stated he did it because Duncan told him to do it. If Kawhi wants that type of influence that's fine but nothing beyond that.

[Ginobilly]

Spurs "culture" is going to have to change in order for leo to stay and even have chance at lebron. Its basically holt making kawhi and his tio gm, coach and giving them the keys to franchise ala lebron. Its his uncle probably trying to doc rivers his way into becoming head coach and coaching his nephew to championships.

[daslicer]

Spurs "culture" is going to have to change in order for leo to stay and even have chance at lebron. Its basically holt making kawhi and his tio gm, coach and giving them the keys to franchise ala lebron. Its his uncle probably trying to doc rivers his way into becoming head coach and coaching his nephew to championships.

The Lebron way is a failure. He's only won 1 title in Cleveland doing his way and that's because of Draymond's stupidity.

[Leetonidas]

I'm guessing he wants to be able to veto deals like 50 mills tbh

[DPG21920]

Spurs have done the family and friends things for a while. Tim’s brother, TP’s brother, wives, kids etc...maybe not fly on the plane stuff, but pretty much anything else.

[Leetonidas]

The Lebron way is a failure. He's only won 1 title in Cleveland doing his way and that's because of Draymond's stupidity.

Only? He's been going up against one of the GOAT teams ever and the first time his two best teammates weren't even playing

[daslicer]

I'm guessing he wants to be able to veto deals like 50 mills tbh

His uncle wants to be able to veto those deals. I don't give Kawhi that type of credit when it comes to being intelligent.

[Slippy]

Kawhi fightig for his rights.

Multi millionaires fighting for their rights playing the game the love after sitting out a season on paid leave. Wow

One good thing about this poster he gives us an insight to how kawhis uncle thinks:lol.

[Ozballer]

Sounds like they are backing off...sounds like they have no idea how to manage this chap and they are mis leading him into a path of disaster.
How delusional thinking the can run a franchise the way they want. Bizarre.

[hater]

Uncle Lavar Leonard

:lmao and idiots here were bitching about the possibility of getting Lonzo :lmao

[Mugen]

We can start Unc at Center for all i care, just get this nigga to sign tbh

[coachmac87]

Can't think of a top 5 player outside of Lebron that had that type of control. Curry-Durant don't have that type of power in Golden State. I don't recall Harden having that type of power in Houston. I'm not down with the Spurs hiring his unqualified idiot friends and family members for jobs and influence within the organization. Not even Duncan tried to levy for a power grab like that.

From what I call the type of power Duncan had within the organization was that the Spurs FO would consult with him when it came to free agent signings, trades, etc. I remember many years ago when Peter Holt was having a contract dispute with Parker for an extension way back in the fall of '04 and asked Duncan whether or not he should give Parker the extension. Holt gave in and stated he did it because Duncan told him to do it. If Kawhi wants that type of influence that's fine but nothing beyond that.

You don’t know that...LeBron is pretty much the only superstar that has all of his business public..like I even mentioned..Tim Duncan even brought up the idea to the Magic and from rumor/speculation was a deal breaker.

Kawhi wants control. I’m fine with that tbh because he has sole control of where this franchise goes..he realizes that leverage and he wants to take advantage of it.

Kawhi has been in shackles to an extent with his early years..he isn’t the guy most thought...still remember when I saw him clapping and talking shit to Jimmers face during the SDST/BYU battles...why haven’t we seen that Kawhi?? Because he stood in his lane...and respected his place in the organization at the time. Now he wants full control..if Spurs won’t give it to him someone else will...

The choice is theirs...

[daslicer]

Only? He's been going up against one of the GOAT teams ever and the first time his two best teammates weren't even playing

He's the reason why they lost Kyrie. He got Tristan Thompson and JR Smith overpaid with shit contracts. Lebron is not a great GM it's why he will flee Cleveland after this year. Players in general are pretty stupid when it comes to building a team and scouting talent. Duncan once admitted in an interview when he first saw Parker and Manu practice he didn't think they would amount to much. Jordan balked at Krause for trading Oakley for Cartwright and at the idea Horace Grant could be an adequate replacement for Oakley.

[daslicer]

You don’t know that...LeBron is pretty much the only superstar that has all of his business public..like I even mentioned..Tim Duncan even brought up the idea to the Magic and from rumor/speculation was a deal breaker.

Kawhi wants control. I’m fine with that tbh because he has sole control of where this franchise goes..he realizes that leverage and he wants to take advantage of it.

Kawhi has been in shackles to an extent with his early years..he isn’t the guy most thought...still remember when I saw him clapping and talking shit to Jimmers face during the SDST/BYU battles...why haven’t we seen that Kawhi?? Because he stood in his lane...and respected his place in the organization at the time. Now he wants full control..if Spurs won’t give it to him someone ekse will...

The choice is theirs...

Duncan wanted his wife and family to be on plane trips which I'm willing to give a pass for but he didn't demand anything else. There is no other superstars that have that type of control over a team besides Lebron. Unless it's documented that others have that control I'm going to believe nobody has Lebron type of control over a team.

[spurs10]

Wanting people around is no big deal at all. Pretty much all stars have this going on; even Tim did to a degree. Yes indeed and with his $19 million salary last year alone he could easily buy them all nice homes nearby.

I'm not joking. There is no reason he can't have his family and friends near.

[Dex]

I'm guessing he wants to be able to veto deals like 50 mills tbh

Would that have been a bad thing, tbh?

[daslicer]

Uncle Lavar Leonard

:lmao and idiots here were bitching about the possibility of getting Lonzo :lmao

:lol They would be willing to let Uncle Lavar and kawhi run a train on their girlfriend if it meant that he would sign the extension.

[Chillen]

The Lebron way is a failure. He's only won 1 title in Cleveland doing his way and that's because of Draymond's stupidity.

When LeBron joined Cleveland again he thought the Spurs would be in his way. He never envisioned the Warriors becoming the powerhouse team they have become. 1 NBA title after epic Warriors chokejob, is not bad at all. Warriors have had plenty of luck as well in 2015 Love and Irving injured other teams banged up, 2017 signed a top 3 league NBA player in Kevin Durant.

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi should ask for this.

Hes a superstar.

Mills gets better treatment from pop.

Fuck pop.

[DPG21920]

Kawhi should ask for this.

Hes a superstar.

Mills gets better treatment from pop.

Fuck pop.

Shhhh

[MVPCues]

I heard Kawhi's uncle is an amateur hypnotist.

[daslicer]

When LeBron joined Cleveland again he thought the Spurs would be in his way. He never envisioned the Warriors becoming the powerhouse team they have become. 1 NBA title after epic Warriors chokejob, is not bad at all. Warriors have had plenty of luck as well in 2015 Love and Irving injured other teams banged up, 2017 signed a top 3 league NBA player in Kevin Durant.

Lebron is a crappy GM go read 1 of my posts from above. Not going back into much detail about that.

[apalisoc_9]

Uncle Leonard :tu

Doing everything i ever wanted

[NASpurs]

I'm guessing he wants to be able to veto deals like 50 mills tbh


Would that have been a bad thing, tbh?

Hmm you guys convinced me. Give him whatever he wants if he wants veto power. GM Kawhi can send Gasol back to Spain too.

And probably say something about drafting 6'3" Fathead-looking combo guards.

[DPG21920]

I’ve done the calculations. Kawhi is staying. Don’t panic.

[TheGreatYacht]

Basically doesnt want to benched when he is close to 30 pts. Poop.

Kawhi fightig for his rights.

[TheGreatYacht]

Shhhh
Wow I knew Poop was a fascist, but I didn't expect his fluffers to jump off this bridge with him....

Typical liberals. Only want black votes (wins) but could give two shits about their way of living.

[Keepin' it real]

I can't believe LMA went on the record with those comments! I don't think he and Leanord can coexist now.

[cjw]

The Lebron way is a failure. He's only won 1 title in Cleveland doing his way and that's because of Draymond's stupidity.

And other teams besides the Warriors have won zero

[RD2191]

Wtf. Does kawhi even have friends?

[daslicer]

And other teams besides the Warriors have won zero

Right very simplistic answer. Name me a team that has won a title in the history of the NBA with having their star player being the de facto GM and Coach.

[daslicer]

Wtf. Does kawhi even have friends?

His uncle does.

[SAGirl]

I can't believe LMA went on the record with those comments! I don't think he and Leanord can coexist now.
What comments? thats David Aldridge from nba reporters.

[DPG21920]

Wtf. Does kawhi even have friends?

No. He’s got family

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/04/07/fashion/07COVER/07COVER-articleLarge.jpg

[SAGirl]

This sounds all like uncle Dennis wants control...

[daslicer]

No. He’s got family

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/04/07/fashion/07COVER/07COVER-articleLarge.jpg

:lol Kawhi went rogue on the Spurs family.

JwMKRevYa_M

[MultiTroll]

What comments? thats David Aldridge from nba reporters.
This.
It's just yet another speculation article.

[raybies]

This.
It's just yet another speculation article.
keyword is "sense"

[Keepin' it real]

What comments? thats David Aldridge from nba reporters.

:lol

My bad, i was watching the boring Celtics 6ers games ... didn't read article.

[RD2191]

Certainly doesn’t sound like the Leonard we all know. Perhaps his uncle has meddled around way more than he should. Even Lavar wasn’t that cancerous.


No. He’s got family

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/04/07/fashion/07COVER/07COVER-articleLarge.jpg

:lol

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How the fuck did this go from an “injury” to “bringing in friends”?? Like.. wow. This is ridiculously all over the place. Means lots of lying took place, of course.

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Uncle Leonard :tu

Doing everything i ever wanted

Uncle Leonard is an auntfocker, too?

[offset formation]

Wow I knew Poop was a fascist, but I didn't expect his fluffers to jump off this bridge with him....

Typical liberals. Only want black votes (wins) but could give two shits about their way of living.

Lol. Like you or your idiots in Congress do. GTFOH.

[offset formation]

I can't believe LMA went on the record with those comments! I don't think he and Leanord can coexist now.

Not sure if serious?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Wow I knew Poop was a fascist, but I didn't expect his fluffers to jump off this bridge with him....

Typical liberals. Only want black votes (wins) but could give two shits about their way of living.

“Many white liberals have adopted blacks as mascots, in order to 'make a statement' against American society. But mascots are only symbols, and their well-being is seldom a top priority.”

-Thomas Sowell

[Holden_Caulfield]

we cant have the inmates running the prison - texans owner

[DaBears]

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/04/30/morning-tip-lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-paul-george-future-playoff-exits?collection=david-aldridge

The sense one gets is that Leonard isn't burning to leave town, but at 26, he realizes this is his best and last chance to look around, see what else is out there. And he sees other franchises that allow their superstars a certain, shall we say, leeway in determining how they'll handle their business. They bring friends into the organization, both formally and informally, to guide them and give them familiar faces with which they're comfortable with to travel and hang out with at home.

That is not the Spurs' Way.







I would respectfully disagree, i believe this is what exactly the late great Erin P. fought for, and turned it into a culture. It was a key factor on why Timmy D. decided to stay, bringing his family on the trips & on team flights.

[Pako]

How the fuck did this go from an “injury” to “bringing in friends”?? Like.. wow. This is ridiculously all over the place. Means lots of lying took place, of course.
,

This.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Dumb

[coachmac87]

Uncle Leonard is an auntfocker, too?

Lmao

[phxspurfan]

They did the same with Timmy iirc, and Tony's brothers to a lesser extent. Hell, they brought on some of their friends around the league (albeit they were legitimate impact players/personnel).

same with Manu and some of his shittier Argie teammates

[phxspurfan]

I'm guessing he wants to be able to veto deals like 50 mills tbh

[DMC]

Sorry, you don't get to sit out a season and make demands. At least you shouldn't get to. If he sat out for bargaining power, I think he might have lost it. We'll see.

If I was going to sign him, he'd have to agree to a pay cut if he ditched the team doctors and went on his own for more than a couple weeks. I don't get the "status" thing. He's got a finals MVP like AI and a couple DPOY awards like Marcus Camby. What fucking status? He's not Durant level, and he shit the entire season away. That really took a hot wet piss on his status.

He'll get paid, but he won't ever have the status he thinks he should, if he indeed thinks that. It's like someone demanding you call them by a manufactured nickname. Odds are, just by demanding it, you're going to avoid calling them that.

If he's really using that angle, I hope he gets traded.

[alpha_HaZE]

I believe it, I believe Kawhi wanted Dedmon over Pau. Wouldn't you? Especially Kawhi, who burned himself last year playing Defense and Offense not being able to take a break on D like Harden and others. Pau offers zero perimeter defense, with Dedmon leving Kawhi has to work that much harder.

Imagine; DJ, Kawhi, Rudy, LA, and Dedmon. Damn, that would have been an unbelievable team.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I believe it, I believe Kawhi wanted Dedmon over Pau. Wouldn't you? Especially Kawhi, who burned himself last year playing Defense and Offense not being able to take a break on D like Harden and others. Pau offers zero perimeter defense, with Dedmon leving Kawhi has to work that much harder.

Imagine; DJ, Kawhi, Rudy, LA, and Dedmon. Damn, that would have been an unbelievable team.

LA is still around to defend the paint.

It’s all those useless midgets around the perimeter that makes Kawhi’s life harder on D.

[Raven]

I'm not buying it.

[tholdren]

The NBA is one fucked up workplace. Imagine 12 players and their “groups” all fighting to control things. What a zoo.

Who woulda thought....

[exstatic]

I would respectfully disagree, i believe this is what exactly the late great Erin P. fought for, and turned it into a culture. It was a key factor on why Timmy D. decided to stay, bringing his family on the trips & on team flights.

False equivalence. Occasionally having family on team flights =/= infesting the organization and roster with your hangers on.

[barbacoataco]

The elephant in the room is still whether he can play a whole season healthy again. Players who miss entire seasons from nagging injuries that don't require surgery but never seem to heal, are often done.

[barbacoataco]

Another thing to consider with Leonard is that his game requires elite athleticism to be effective. Tim Duncan could play great with a bad knee because of his style of play. But if Leonard comes back at 80-90% athleticism he will not be a max-type player.

[SAGirl]

The elephant in the room is still whether he can play a whole season healthy again. Players who miss entire seasons from nagging injuries that don't require surgery but never seem to heal, are often done.
Absolutely. :tu. I feel like the media keeps making up stuff but his lack of health is the elephant in the room.

[Play Boban]

Kawhitter’s uncle wants to be gm smh........

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I can't believe LMA went on the record with those comments! I don't think he and Leanord can coexist now.

It’s david Aldridge not LMA

[FireMicoHalili]

We’re relying on David Aldridge’s “sense”? Really? A guess which isn’t even educated? From a so-called “analyst” whose success rate predicting free agent destinations and game outcomes is wonky at best? A mere sports writer whose connections or sources aren’t well-documented? A guy who never played and never worked for an NBA front office? This is what the NBA community takes for rumors and blows up into a narrative. I don’t wonder how many people get faked thinking certain players sign with the teams the media hope for them to sign with.

[Spurs9]

Kawhi Ball

[John B]

Wrong read by Aldridge imo. It’s not Kawhi’s personality to demand leeway. He does not want to be the face of the franchise, just wants to play hard per his mom. Fire your uncle Kawhi. He is misrepresenting you.

[YGWHI]

Sounds like they are backing off...sounds like they have no idea how to manage this chap and they are mis leading him into a path of disaster.
How delusional thinking the can run a franchise the way they want. Bizarre.

Sounds like other stupid article about Spurs-Kawhi offseason saga.

It's funny how these guys are reporting based on many different rumors...No one rumor/article says the same that other, no one is similar to other...They're desperate to have a story.

[r0drig0lac]

To me this is the only way you can have sustained success like the Spurs have had for almost 2 decades. The Spurs are a tried and true system. I would see they might try to accommodate some of that but I'm pretty sure he isn't going to become the new Iverson at San Antonio

when you have a superstar and top 5 all-time, or a top 3 in the current league, yes. try to do without any of that and you maybe make the playoffs

[SAGirl]

Wrong read by Aldridge imo. It’s not Kawhi’s personality to demand leeway. He does not want to be the face of the franchise, just wants to play hard per his mom. Fire your uncle Kawhi. He is misrepresenting you.
The leeway isn't for him but for uncle Dennis

[alpha_HaZE]

Defending the paint is not the issue, I agree. Pau is one of the best at that. But like you said it's those midgets that can't defend the perimeter. Dedmon, does that pretty good. Actually DJ, Kawhi, and Dedmon are some of the best at it and if two of them can shoot the three. Instead of the one we had this year, Pop won't be forced to play those midgets to add a much needed 3 point shooting.

[dbreiden83080]

In the last week he wants easier practices and buddies to hang with?

How about he actually guarantees us something. Like in an upcoming season that he was predicted by many to be the league MVP, he actually you know plays basketball.

[Stabula]

This is all fake news. WWE, All My Children, Jersey Shore level fabricated soap opera. Leonard has a degenerative disease of his tendon and the Spurs are trying to figure out their best course of action considering their transcendent superstar is done.

[tholdren]

How about he actually guarantees us something. Like in an upcoming season that he was predicted by many to be the league MVP, he actually you know plays basketball.

Only idiots predicted his mvp. Hes worse than westbrook

[james evans]

He's the reason why they lost Kyrie. He got Tristan Thompson and JR Smith overpaid with shit contracts. Lebron is not a great GM it's why he will flee Cleveland after this year. Players in general are pretty stupid when it comes to building a team and scouting talent. Duncan once admitted in an interview when he first saw Parker and Manu practice he didn't think they would amount to much. Jordan balked at Krause for trading Oakley for Cartwright and at the idea Horace Grant could be an adequate replacement for Oakley.
Jordan also wanted his old teammate Joe Wolf over Grant or Pippen hahaha. And let's not even discuss his draft picks. So yes, players don't have a fucking clue most of the time on who to play with.

[dbreiden83080]

Only idiots predicted his mvp. Hes worse than westbrook

Do you mean last year’s MVP? Yeah and he plays.

[dbreiden83080]

He's the reason why they lost Kyrie. He got Tristan Thompson and JR Smith overpaid with shit contracts. Lebron is not a great GM it's why he will flee Cleveland after this year. Players in general are pretty stupid when it comes to building a team and scouting talent. Duncan once admitted in an interview when he first saw Parker and Manu practice he didn't think they would amount to much. Jordan balked at Krause for trading Oakley for Cartwright and at the idea Horace Grant could be an adequate replacement for Oakley.

I think in fairness to Tim Duncan when Tony first came to San Antonio, he was 18 years old and basically just a fast skinny kid couldn’t shoot the ball. And Manu at one point was an Accident waiting to happen. Jerry did make a lot of good moves for the Chicago Bulls that he never got any credit for. My understanding is that Michael Jordan basically hated his guts his entire career, going back to them having a big disagreement over his injury during the second season of his career. Jordan wanted to come back and Jerry did not want him to come back, fearing re-injury that season.. Apparently Jordan held it against him forever.

[tholdren]

I think in fairness to Tim Duncan when Tony first came to San Antonio, he was 18 years old and basically just a fast skinny kid couldn’t shoot the ball. And Manu at one point was an Accident waiting to happen. Jerry did make a lot of good moves for the Chicago Bulls that he never got any credit for. My understanding is that Michael Jordan basically hated his guts his entire career, going back to them having a big disagreement over his injury during the second season of his career. Jordan wanted to come back and Jerry did not want him to come back, fearing re-injury that season.. Apparently Jordan held it against him forever.

Jordan didnt cry the whole year and sit out because he wanted to, right?

[BillMc]

Sorry, you don't get to sit out a season and make demands. At least you shouldn't get to. If he sat out for bargaining power, I think he might have lost it. We'll see.

If I was going to sign him, he'd have to agree to a pay cut if he ditched the team doctors and went on his own for more than a couple weeks. I don't get the "status" thing. He's got a finals MVP like AI and a couple DPOY awards like Marcus Camby. What fucking status? He's not Durant level, and he shit the entire season away. That really took a hot wet piss on his status.

He'll get paid, but he won't ever have the status he thinks he should, if he indeed thinks that. It's like someone demanding you call them by a manufactured nickname. Odds are, just by demanding it, you're going to avoid calling them that.

If he's really using that angle, I hope he gets traded.


When did AI ever win Finals MVP? Shaq won it the one time AI made the finals.

Sadly, Kobe gave himself the Black Mamba BS and somehow it stuck.

But, I agree if this were a power move, I'd want him traded. I'm almost more inclined to believe Kawhi is just grasping at straws to get healthy but the people around him view it as a cash cow and are trying to wring LeBron group like perks from the Spurs. But who knows really.

[dbreiden83080]

Jordan didnt cry the whole year and sit out because he wanted to, right?

Sure didn’t. But he had a broken foot. So the organization was genuinely concerned about him getting hurt again. Apparently the team doctors did not really want him coming back that season. Sadly in our situation, our best player was cleared multiple times and just sat on his ass.

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Six weeks....I wonder what the prognosis is now....

[SAGirl]

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I am really tired of uncle dennis. I imagine the Spurs have to be tired too. So sad.

[dbreiden83080]

Just make it clear to him that he is not going to be traded. Get on the same page with managing his health this summer and make it clear he is not going anywhere. At the end of next year we can still offer the most money. He has to come back and prove he is still a great and reliable player. He is completely unreliable in every aspect right now.

[SAGirl]

Just make it clear to him that he is not going to be traded. Get on the same page with managing his health this summer and make it clear he is not going anywhere. At the end of next year we can still offer the most money. He has to come back and prove he is still a great and reliable player. He is completely unreliable in every aspect right now.
That ha always been kind of my PoV bc I don't think the Spurs will get trade offers that will be worth it and no player would be better than a healthy Kiwi. If he can't be healthy then its a sad situation for everyone involved, but at least he wasn't supermaxed prematurely. His uncle may be offended but I don't know how he can rebuff a request to play prior to getting such a contract when his nephew missed the entire season after seeing 3 different medical groups.

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Six weeks....I wonder what the prognosis is now....

All fixed up, dont know what to do...

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Just make it clear to him that he is not going to be traded. Get on the same page with managing his health this summer and make it clear he is not going anywhere. At the end of next year we can still offer the most money. He has to come back and prove he is still a great and reliable player. He is completely unreliable in every aspect right now.

Part of me agrees with you, but I have a feeling of PATFO does that, he's going to walk after next season and we will have nothing to show for all the years of developing him.

[daslicer]

I think in fairness to Tim Duncan when Tony first came to San Antonio, he was 18 years old and basically just a fast skinny kid couldn’t shoot the ball. And Manu at one point was an Accident waiting to happen. Jerry did make a lot of good moves for the Chicago Bulls that he never got any credit for. My understanding is that Michael Jordan basically hated his guts his entire career, going back to them having a big disagreement over his injury during the second season of his career. Jordan wanted to come back and Jerry did not want him to come back, fearing re-injury that season.. Apparently Jordan held it against him forever.

I actually always respected Tim for giving Manu and Tony a chance even when he was skeptical about their talent. I read an article in '03 after the Spurs won the title that said Duncan was skeptical about Tony/Manu's talent but trusted Pop and RC to handle them. They are people who try to discredit Duncan's success as a player and say he was lucky that he got to play with Manu and Tony or he would have been like KG when it came to winning. Obviously that to me is bs. Duncan deserves a lot of credit for having the patience and allowing Manu and Tony to grow as players. They are a lot of guys who if they were in the prime of their careers would have balked at the idea of playing with 2 raw unknown commodities.

[daslicer]

Sure didn’t. But he had a broken foot. So the organization was genuinely concerned about him getting hurt again. Apparently the team doctors did not really want him coming back that season. Sadly in our situation, our best player was cleared multiple times and just sat on his ass.

Jordan was the anti Kawhi in his situation. I remember hearing about how he drove Reinsdorf and Krause crazy with his demands to play in the playoffs. Jordan was straight up crazy competitive that even when they warned him he could risk serious injury by playing in that playoffs that he told both Krause and Reinsdorf to fuck off.

[daslicer]

Part of me agrees with you, but I have a feeling of PATFO does that, he's going to walk after next season and we will have nothing to show for all the years of developing him.

It sucks but at least we got 1 title out of him unlike OKC when Durant left or Cleveland the first time when Lebron left.

[dbreiden83080]

Part of me agrees with you, but I have a feeling of PATFO does that, he's going to walk after next season and we will have nothing to show for all the years of developing him.

It is a tough decision. I think simply mending fences and offering him the most money anyone has ever made in that organization given what has happened is so risky. Sadly all he had to do was make a better and more genuine effort to get along and play this season and they be offering this no problem.

[wildbill2u]

Didn't we keep Sean Marks as a backup center for way past his 'sell-by date' because he was Duncan's buddy. I have no problem with some 'perks" for superstars as long as they don't materially affect the team in a negative way. I don't think most teams give a rat's ass about ANY player's 'posse' hanging around or being in their personal group of friends, as long as they don't get in the way of the business of running a team, especially when it comes to drugs.