Woj: Free agent guard Marco Belinelli has agreed to a two-year, $12M deal with Spurs

[FireMicoHalili]

Again, I don’t know if people just don’t do any basic research or get so blinded by bias, but Forbes shot better from 3 than Beli last year.
Sure did. Kid didn’t do a lot better in other respects: https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2018&player_id1=forbebr01&idx=players&y2=2018&player_id2=belinma01&idx=players

[Marcus Bryant]

Interesting considering Forbes had a better 3PT% last year than Beli..

Much fewer attempts in garbage time often.

[FireMicoHalili]

Who are you going to get for that price that can space the floor and defend? The Spurs need reliable scoring of the bench. Being able to defend would be great too, but that defender cannot be a liability offensively.
Going to be annoying if the Warriors sign Tyreke for less, but this isn’t a bad price to pay for familiarity and championship experience especially if Manu retires. If Kawhi gets dealt having some veterans familiar with the system will make the transition much smoother.

[look_at_g_shred]

Anyone know if Raven is on suicide watch? Serious question.

[barbacoataco]

Much fewer attempts in garbage time often.

Bingo

[sasaint]

Going to be annoying if the Warriors sign Tyreke for less, but this isn’t a bad price to pay for familiarity and championship experience especially if Manu retires. If Kawhi gets dealt having some veterans familiar with the system will make the transition much smoother.

You nailed it, sir. Adiós, Manu.

[jjktkk]

Not really. What would adding some more shooting an awful defense do to solve any problems? SA is not contending and should be either signing 1 year deals or letting young guys grow.You know Pop isn't going to play the young guys and oversee a Spurs rebuild.


Replace Forbes with Beli moves what needle for what purpose while hurting cap space next year.Belinelli " moves what needle" with his reliable shooting. Forbes is way too inconsistent a shooter.

[DPG21920]

Much fewer attempts in garbage time often.

So he shot better

[Play Boban]

Interesting considering Forbes had a better 3PT% last year than Beli..

Belli is 100 times the player that worthless scrub is. Wow. Forbes only took wide open shots. Belli can shoot it from anywhere and took a lot of contested shots.

[Mr. Body]

This is as much about team culture as anything, especially if Mills is sent packing.

[jjktkk]

This is my literal nightmare. Lose Kawhi and bring back zero upside aging poor defensive only value is if they happen to get hot shooting type players.

Judging by your takes, you just want the Spurs to dump salary and prioritize cap space. In other words, tank.

[barbacoataco]

Belli is 100 times the player that worthless scrub is. Wow. Forbes only took wide open shots. Belli can shoot it from anywhere and took a lot of contested shots.

Yeah this comparison needs to stop.

[Marcus Bryant]

So he shot better

In fewer attempts when it didn't matter.

[FireMicoHalili]

Judging by your takes, you just want the Spurs to dump salary and prioritize cap space. In other words, tank.
Guy is just splitting hairs. Forbes shot a better clip from three but didn’t do better elsewhere, so Belinelli shot a better field goal percentage. Overall they have the same shooting clips throughout their careers but Belinelli has better true shooting percentages and a slightly better field goal percentage. Guy doesn’t get the value of veteran presence. I believe Pop wants to stay two more years, with those last two years being spent steering a competitive couple of years. It doesn’t make sense to oversee a rebuild and the roster moves indicate they’d rather go for deep playoff runs than start from scratch.

[From Downtown]

Again, I don’t know if people just don’t do any basic research or get so blinded by bias, but Forbes shot better from 3 than Beli last year.

Yeah but that's the only thing he can do
And I trust Marco taking big shots a lot more

[exstatic]

Marco almost got the Spurs eliminated against Dallas in 2014 by himself. It wasn't until he was benched that they won it.

He is atrocious. If he's not a Kawhi whisperer this deal is on par with Mills

The market was in the Spurs favor, they just had to wait.

The youth was in their favor, they just had to wait

If this is the kind of deal they think is good. I'm scared of what they take back for Kawhi

There was a reason they didn't re-sign him last time!!!
LOL. He got like $10m a year on a much lower cap. That’s why they didn’t re-sign him.

[hater]

Yes!!!!!!!!

[DPG21920]

Judging by your takes, you just want the Spurs to dump salary and prioritize cap space. In other words, tank.

No

[Mugen]

:lol Beli's actually hit big shots, whereas Bryn was fucking terrible in a no-pressure series against the Warriors while being guarded by Quinn Cook.

But yeah guess he shot better during garbage time minutes during the regular season...

[DPG21920]

:lol Beli's actually hit big shots, whereas Bryn was fucking terrible in a no-pressure series against the Warriors while being guarded by Quinn Cook.

But yeah guess he shot better during garbage time minutes during the regular season...

Lol Beli wasn’t hitting shots while Boston pummeled PHI without Kyrie or Hayward

[ace3g]

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[spursistan]

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There is still hope, I guess :cry..

[Chinook]

Fuck. If Manu comes back, this off-season just gets worse and worse.

[rascal]

10+ pages for not a difference maker type of move. Would rather see the Spurs turn the page on past players and start a rebuild with young players with potential.

[SpursBills]

I think this gives some indication as to the direction the front office is taking; I think they are planning to keep Kawhi at all costs and try and repair the relationship this year. Only way this move makes sense.

[Marcus Bryant]

Pop likely doesn't want to spend his last season or two rebuilding.

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Shooting was straight garbage last season and Beli is a proven shooter.

Yep. How many times last year did this board ask collectively for more/better shooters??

Now you get a former Spur, and solid locker room guy that can shoot lights out on a great contract and people want to bitch!!??

This place...

[bklynspursfan]

I'm sure SA might be aware of stuff behind the scenes which is why they signed him. He knows the system and is a much needed offensive threat. Whether people are leaving or retiring, they probably have a sense of what's going on...

Let's wait and see what else unfolds.

[bklynspursfan]

Yep. How many times last year did this board ask collectively for more/better shooters??

Now you get a former Spur, and solid locker room guy that can shoot lights out on a great contract and people want to bitch!!??

This place...

Yea.. and at a fair price at that.

[look_at_g_shred]

Yep. How many times last year did this board ask collectively for more/better shooters??

Now you get a former Spur, and solid locker room guy that can shoot lights out on a great contract and people want to bitch!!??

This place...
Preach my nig

[ceperez]

So when is Bobo coming back?

[Ditty]

Yep. How many times last year did this board ask collectively for more/better shooters??

Now you get a former Spur, and solid locker room guy that can shoot lights out on a great contract and people want to bitch!!??

This place...

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[DaBears]

Belli assigning was a plan & put in place because Manu is retiring this offseason. They needed a vet they can trust and whom has been in the system. Plus his game to a degree matches what Manu brought to a degree,

[Chinook]

Yep. How many times last year did this board ask collectively for more/better shooters??

Now you get a former Spur, and solid locker room guy that can shoot lights out on a great contract and people want to bitch!!??

This place...

Nah. First, Beli being a "former Spur" was always a mixed bag. Most of us didn't miss him. Second, why if Marco a good locker-room guy? Third, his contract sucks.

If Marco were coming in as a camp invite or something, that would be fine. But the team had real holes this summer, and Beli coming in with Green and possibly Manu returning is just not what needed to happen at the wing spots. Getting a guard who can break down a defense, a forward who can defend or a big who can compete with Gasol for minutes were just much more important. They got a shooting two-guard in the draft, and if they don't think he can do that, they could have gone with Hueter or Shamet. You don't use the MLE on Beli -- again.
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[DaBears]

Nah. First, Beli being a "former Spur" was always a mixed bag. Most of us didn't miss him. Second, why if Marco a good locker-room guy? Third, his contract sucks.

If Marco were coming in as a camp invite or something, that would be fine. But the team had real holes this summer, and Beli coming in with Green and possibly Manu returning is just not what needed to happen at the wing spots. Getting a guard who can break down a defense, a forward who can defend or a big who can compete with Gasol for minutes were just much more important. They got a shooting two-guard in the draft, and if they don't think he can do that, they could have gone with Hueter or Shamet. You don't use the MLE on Beli -- again.
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Marco value actually went up with his play last season in Philly.... He even gave the SPURS a small discount.. He would have fetched upwards of 7-8 mil per from 2-3 other teams.

[HarlemHeat37]

Marco value actually went up with his play last season in Philly.... He even gave the SPURS a small discount.. He would have fetched upwards of 7-8 mil per from 2-3 other teams.

:lol stop..

[Das Texan]

Guess Pop was tired of his players being nutless and not making big shots.

Also goodbye Brandon Paul (and probably Bryn Forbes)

[Chinook]

Marco value actually went up with his play last season in Philly.... He even gave the SPURS a small discount.. He would have fetched upwards of 7-8 mil per from 2-3 other teams.

No. He was overpaid. Marco played in the NBA Finals and had a decent showing against Brooklyn the year before that. The league already knows who he is. That's why he's been passed around like a joint his whole career.

[Russ]

Fuck. If Manu comes back, this off-season just gets worse and worse.

If Manu come back this off-season just gets better (and I already think it's gonna be good).

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[Das Texan]

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Maybe Manu told Pop he isnt coming back without Ferrari.

:lol

[dbestpro]

I think this gives some indication as to the direction the front office is taking; I think they are planning to keep Kawhi at all costs and try and repair the relationship this year. Only way this move makes sense.

I agree, except it most likely will coincide with Parker no longer playing in a Spurs uniform. Maybe he will be one of the former allstars the Lakers go after.

[offset formation]

If this signing tells you nothing else, nevermind the positive impact he should bring for spacing and shot making, it's this:

Spurs clearly had a malignant presence in their locker room last year. PATFO is doubling down on their theory that you bring in the right kind of unselfish, team-first, veteran leaders as the first phase of building a winning team.

[Chinook]

If this signing tells you nothing else, nevermind the positive impact he should bring for spacing and shot making, it's this:

Spurs clearly had a malignant presence in their locker room last year. PATFO is doubling down on their theory that you bring in the right kind of unselfish, team-first, veteran leaders as the first phase of building a winning team.

Why do you keep ascribing all of these great traits to Marco? Dude doesn't seem like a bad person, but he's not Patty or anything. I started calling out the chemistry issues way early last year, so you don't have to sell me on the part about it being bad. But the team had enough good locker-room presences already, provided they didn't bring any bad seeds in a Leonard trade.

[offset formation]

Why do you keep ascribing all of these great traits to Marco? Dude doesn't seem like a bad person, but he's not Patty or anything. I started calling out the chemistry issues way early last year, so you don't have to sell me on the part about it being bad. But the team had enough good locker-room presences already, provided they didn't bring any bad seeds in a Leonard trade.

He was a founding member of the beautiful game society that made all of our spines tingle when we rang in '14.

The real question is what do you have against a former Spur like him that is only being paid an avg of $6M? His contract is easily tradable if we are out of the hunt next February and in the interim, he only brings positivity and clutch shooting--something we DID NOT have last year.

How many games could we have won last year with even one more three ball?

Come on man. You're being way overly critical (crotchety, I might even say) about this.

[dabom]

Spurs adding a lot of veteran players. Possibility of Signing Lebron.

[Chinook]

He was a founding member of the beautiful game society that made all of our spines tingle when we rang in '14.

:lol The Beautiful Game had been a thing for years before Marco joined. Beli wasn't ever more than a bit piece in that puzzle.


The real question is what do you have against a former Spur like him that is only being paid an avg of $6M? His contract is easily tradable if we are out of the hunt next February and in the interim, he only brings positivity and clutch shooting--something we DID NOT have last year.

I listed them already in a response to you. He's overpaid and sucks. He sucked when he was a Spur too, but he was making less than $3 Million a year back then and was allowed to be a near the bottom or the rotation, so it wasn't a big deal?


How many games could we have won last year with even one more three ball?

Is Beli just coming in for one-possession stints in your mind? In mine, he's going to at least play some minutes, which means his D is going to end up wrecking the Spurs.


Come on man. You're being way overly critical (crotchety, I might even say) about this.

You could say that about any signing. If they maxed out Anderson, would you be in here calling us grouches for not loving it? I'm not saying you're a homer or can't criticize PATFO, but damn. Beli sucks. Everyone knows he sucks. I'm pretty disgusted that they brought him back.

[ECOV]

Nah. First, Beli being a "former Spur" was always a mixed bag. Most of us didn't miss him. Second, why if Marco a good locker-room guy? Third, his contract sucks.

If Marco were coming in as a camp invite or something, that would be fine. But the team had real holes this summer, and Beli coming in with Green and possibly Manu returning is just not what needed to happen at the wing spots. Getting a guard who can break down a defense, a forward who can defend or a big who can compete with Gasol for minutes were just much more important. They got a shooting two-guard in the draft, and if they don't think he can do that, they could have gone with Hueter or Shamet. You don't use the MLE on Beli -- again.
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Glad to have Marco back whoooooo!! Haters gon hate

[Hoops Czar]

Damn, Chinook regulating the shit out of this thread.

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:lol The Beautiful Game had been a thing for years before Marco joined. Beli wasn't ever more than a bit piece in that puzzle.

He was an occasional starter, and first guy off the bench for most of the season along with Manu. And Pop often left him in in the final crunch time of games.


I listed them already in a response to you. He's overpaid and sucks. He sucked when he was a Spur too, but he was making less than $3 Million a year back then and was allowed to be a near the bottom or the rotation, so it wasn't a big deal?

The $6M is very in line with a second team guy. And other teams would have paid him that. I bet Philly would have paid him something similar if they were more certain with their offseason moves.

Is Beli just coming in for one-possession stints in your mind? In mine, he's going to at least play some minutes, which means his D is going to end up wrecking the Spurs.

He was no more a defensive liability than Mills

You could say that about any signing. If they maxed out Anderson, would you be in here calling us grouches for not loving it? I'm not saying you're a homer or can't criticize PATFO, but damn. Beli sucks. Everyone knows he sucks. I'm pretty disgusted that they brought him back.

Agree to disagree man. Also, we need some vets around these young guys that reinforce the notion of pass to the open guy...the beautiful game foundation.

[tim_duncan_fan]

To be honest, I don't think we will be sacrificing much in regards to Marco's defense if he can make some shots.

The lack of offensive capability on the team this past season was fucking offensive and our biggest problem, overall.

Plus, Marco has cajones, which we were also severely lacking, which is not unrelated to the missed open shots. We needed someone with a little moxie to their personality.

[lefty]

Woohoo
Better than Porker...

[dabom]

Woohoo
Better than Porker...

Not saying much 3 years ago bro...

[SpursBills]

To be honest, I don't think we will be sacrificing much in regards to Marco's defense if he can make some shots.

The lack of offensive capability on the team this past season was fucking offensive and our biggest problem, overall.

Plus, Marco has cajones, which we were also severely lacking, which is not unrelated to the missed open shots. We needed someone with a little moxie to their personality.

Agree with this. Every team needs a bucket-getter with the shot clock winding down. I think the front office eventually envisions that role going to Lonnie, and Marco is meant to be the bridge while Lonnie gets some seasoning in Austin.

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[SAGirl]

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The guys will definitely be happy that he’s back. The team needs better shooting so I understand it but it makes me wonder what’s happening with their guard rotation for sure.
Someone is either retiring or getting traded.

[-21-]

Hopefully Beli plays most of his minutes at the 3. As un-ideal as that is, I wanna see Walker/White get some run. Maybe there's a chance of Patty/Danny getting moved or Tony/Manu not returning to balance out the roster. We're so guard heavy right now.

[SAGirl]

I think this gives some indication as to the direction the front office is taking; I think they are planning to keep Kawhi at all costs and try and repair the relationship this year. Only way this move makes sense.
I also see them counting on Kawhi to play. I don’t know if their strategy will work but that’s the way this looks.

[21209]

All fine and good, but it still doesn't solve the lack of bigs problem on the roster.

[objective]

LOL. He got like $10m a year on a much lower cap. That’s why they didn’t re-sign him.

:lol

Not even close, try 6.3 million a year from Sacramento

[Chinook]

:lol

Not even close, try 6.3 million a year from Sacramento

Gave up that unprotected pick next year to make it happen too. Hell, they might have had that and Tatum right had they not done that Philly deal.

[coachmac87]

Spurs fans just bitching to bitch lol.

[spurraider21]

Fuck. If Manu comes back, this off-season just gets worse and worse.
piss off tbh

[Rocalcio]

Is this the end of Fathead?

What is the connection ? Nonsense...

[tholdren]

I also see them counting on Kawhi to play. I don’t know if their strategy will work but that’s the way this looks.

I thought ive read patfo wants kl away from team.? That would be an odd thing to expect him to stay away and play...

[pad300]

I forget who suggested it, but the person who said his may mean Mills is potentially gone, they have a point. They really duplicate in skill set (B shooting, C passing, C handling), and Marco is both bigger (and thus a better defender), a better cutter off the ball, and cheaper (paid like a bench player should be, which Mills really should be...).

[Seventyniner]

I forget who suggested it, but the person who said his may mean Mills is potentially gone, they have a point. They really duplicate in skill set (B shooting, C passing, C handling), and Marco is both bigger (and thus a better defender), a better cutter off the ball, and cheaper (paid like a bench player should be, which Mills really should be...).

Wat

[Chinook]

piss off tbh

Fuck that. That last thing the Spurs need is like eight guards and no forwards and White and Walker in the d-league again.

[tholdren]

Fuck that. That last thing the Spurs need is like eight guards and no forwards and White and Walker in the d-league again.

To be fair out of those 8 only 2 can actually do the fundamentals of a perimeter player

[objective]

I'd rather have non-shooting Kyle back on a 2/12 than Marco.

At least he can smallball 4

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Well this came out of nowhere. Welcome back Ferrari :bobo

[Harry Callahan]

Signing non-American players who truly appreciate the opportunities of the Spurs and 'MERICA can't be a bad thing. Many of the home grown American Spurs (and NBA players in general) like to complain about their crappy lot in life making seven and eight figure annual salaries. They sometimes don't even show up for work for long stretches of time.

[LittleCriminal]

I'd rather have non-shooting Kyle back on a 2/12 than Marco.

At least he can smallball 4

But how can That non shooting Kyle play smallball 4 from where he was seated in the playoffs??
He fukkin sux.

[objective]

But how can That non shooting Kyle play smallball 4 from where he was seated in the playoffs??
He fukkin sux.

Yes, he is not good

Marco will be worse. Probably even worse than the last time now that he's older

[ElNono]

Fuck that. That last thing the Spurs need is like eight guards and no forwards and White and Walker in the d-league again.

:lol You know that's happening whether Manu comes back or not. Barring trading Green/Patty, the guard positions are pretty much taken. I do expect White to get more of a chance on his 2nd season.

[ElNono]

People underrate Marco's movement without the ball. Next to his shooting, it's one of his best qualities.

Yes, he sucks on D.

[Chinook]

People underrate Marco's movement without the ball. Next to his shooting, it's one of his best qualities.

Yes, he sucks on D.

You know Pop is envisioning running the bench through Pau, with him finding Beli for cuts and curls.

[ElNono]

You know Pop is envisioning running the bench through Pau, with him finding Beli for cuts and curls.

:lol Sounds like an upgrade over Fatheads pumpfake...

[ElNono]

It's gonna be a transition year, whether Pop likes it or not.

[LittleCriminal]

Yes, he is not good

Marco will be worse. Probably even worse than the last time now that he's older

Not sure how marco can be worse than someone who can't shoot and is glued to the bench during the playoffs..

[LittleCriminal]

:lol Sounds like an upgrade over Fatheads pumpfake...

Sounds great to me!!

[TimDunkem]

Marco sucks and is a scrub, but he will arguably be one of the top 5 players on the team next season. That's how badly PoopATFO has constructed this roster.

[TimDunkem]

:lol Sounds like an upgrade over Fatheads pumpfake...

Or Fathead passing out to Manu with .8 seconds left...

[NameLess Scrub]

What year is this?


Also .. what year is this?

[SilverSpur]

We have so many guards, I believe we have ten now plus Kawhi can bring the ball up.
Parker
Ginobili
Forbes
Murray
Belinelli
White
Green
Mills
Walker
Paul

[ducks]

Marco sucks and is a scrub, but he will arguably be one of the top 5 players on the team next season. That's how badly PoopATFO has constructed this roster.

13 points a game for bench guy is great

[Atl Spur]

Not mad at all with this signing.

[Budkin]

#belichamp tbh

[TimDunkem]

13 points a game for bench guy is great

I like Marco. He just is what he is. Fortunately for him he is going to look a lot better next to the scrubs on this roster.

[TimDunkem]

We have so many guards, I believe we have ten now plus Kawhi can bring the ball up.
Parker - Done
Ginobili - Just about done
Forbes - Chinese League caliber scrub
Murray - Still raw
Belinelli - No D
White - Jury still out, but doesn't exactly look like a killer.
Green - Practically useless now
Mills - Best towel waver in the league
Walker - TBD
Paul - Absolutely useless
Meh...

[Mikeanaro]

Fuck, more geriatric shit, did they say they were trying to get athletic?

[FkLA]

Smh. Still disgusted by this, tbh.

[Capt Bringdown]

Don't the Spurs already have enough old farts who can't/won't play defense?
Yet another one of those "this would have been a good signing 5 years ago" thingies.

[duncan2150]

We have so many guards, I believe we have ten now plus Kawhi can bring the ball up.
Parker
Ginobili
Forbes
Murray
Belinelli
White
Green
Mills
Walker
Paul

parker and forbes are not under contracts plus they could get rid of Paul’s contract. We also don’t knoW about gino.

[pad300]

Wat

Mills is bad and can only defend 1's due to his size. Beli is bad too, but you can put him on either a 2 or a 3... The versatility gives Beli the edge in my mind. (Particularly because we have a lot of can match up to a PG guys - Green, Mills, Parker, DJ, White, Walker, ?Forbes? ; as opposed to matching up with a SG - Green, DJ, ?White?, Walker, ?Manu if he's back? . Lots of guys can match down, matching up is harder...)

[TheGreatYacht]

Looks like retards here haven't learned their lesson. Still overvaluing defense in today's NBA :lol especially scrubs that can't score to save their garbage lives

You ain't outscoring the Rockets and Warriors with Fathead, Murray, and Green.

[TimDunkem]

Looks like retards here haven't learned their lesson. Still overvaluing defense in today's NBA :lol

You ain't outscoring the Rockets and Warriors with Fathead, Murray, and Green.

The sad thing about it is that he is a huge upgrade over those useless fucks. :lol Drunkford

[TheGreatYacht]

After the gutless dumpster trio of Green, Bertans, and Forbes shot 20% from 3 in the playoffs... this was a move that had to be made.

This team needed a shot maker and they got it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSR-g5UN_2c&app=desktop&persist_app=1

[FkLA]

Looks like retards here haven't learned their lesson. Still overvaluing defense in today's NBA :lol especially scrubs that can't score to save their garbage lives

You ain't outscoring the Rockets and Warriors with Fathead, Murray, and Green.

But you will with big balls Bellinelli aka Ferrari aka Bellichamp!

[TheGreatYacht]

Belinelli and Gay got signed for a combined $22M

Sad it took Kawhi wanting out to get RC checked into rehab. $98M on Mills and Gasol. Still disgusting to think about.

[ducks]

Fkla who would you get for that amount on money for 2 years?

[TheGreatYacht]

But you will with big balls Bellinelli aka Ferrari aka Bellichamp!
Big balls belli >>>> Lil dick nigga

Facts are facts, son.

[NASpurs]

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[timtonymanu]

The Green vs Beli debate in 2014 was fun. Good old times :cry

[FkLA]

Fkla who would you get for that amount on money for 2 years?

Glenn Robinson III
Gerald Green
Luc Mbah Moute
Vince Carter


So far the first two have been signed for cheaper. I'm sure the last two will as well.

Or better yet use the full MLE to make a run at guys like Rodney Hood or Tyreke Evans instead of wasting part of it on this Italian traffic cone.

[cjw]

Glenn Robinson III
Gerald Green
Luc Mbah Moute
Vince Carter


So far the first two have been signed for cheaper. I'm sure the last two will as well.

Or better yet use the full MLE to make a run at guys like Rodney Hood or Tyreke Evans instead of wasting part of it on this Italian traffic cone.


For a guy who couldn’t see the floor for most of the NBA Finals? There’s a reason Lebron benched him.

[ducks]

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Sources: Rodney Hood received calls from upward of six teams tonight. Interest is high for the 25-year-old swingman and the #Cavs have competition in resigning the RFA.

[TheGreatYacht]

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Finally someone that can bring in real hardware instead of bricks.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

At least he can hit an open shot, and isn't afraid of pressure shots. Plus he makes good decisions on offense.

An upgrade to Forbes and the corpse of Danny Green (on offense).

[FkLA]

The Green vs Beli debate in 2014 was fun. Good old times :cry

There was no debate.

When it was time to buckle down and win the tough games Bellinelli barely saw any minutes:


Game 5 vs OKC - 14 minutes
Game 6 at OKC - 6 minutes

Game 3 at MIA - 6 minutes
Game 4 at MIA - 4 minutes
Game 5 vs MIA - 8 minutes


Just lol at him being some type of proven, hardened champion that delivers when it matters. He's as much of a champion as Baynes and Ayers are. :lol

[Budkin]

There was no debate.

When it was time to buckle down and win the tough games Bellinelli barely saw any minutes:


Game 5 vs OKC - 14 minutes
Game 6 at OKC - 6 minutes

Game 3 at MIA - 6 minutes
Game 4 at MIA - 4 minutes
Game 5 vs MIA - 8 minutes


Just lol at him being some type of proven, hardened champion that delivers when it matters. He's as much of a champion as Baynes and Ayers are. :lol

He hit a huge shot in Game 3 against Miami that killed their rally.

[TheGreatYacht]

At least he can hit an open shot, and isn't afraid of pressure shots. Plus he makes good decisions on offense.

An upgrade to Forbes and the corpse of Danny Green (on offense).
No need for the parentheses. Green couldn't stop a runny nose, much less a professional NBA player in 2018. How will he do that in his 30's?

[timtonymanu]

There was no debate.

When it was time to buckle down and win the tough games Bellinelli barely saw any minutes:


Game 5 vs OKC - 14 minutes
Game 6 at OKC - 6 minutes

Game 3 at MIA - 6 minutes
Game 4 at MIA - 4 minutes
Game 5 vs MIA - 8 minutes


Just lol at him being some type of proven, hardened champion that delivers when it matters. He's as much of a champion as Baynes and Ayers are. :lol

I agree. Patty was even a better player than Beli that season.

[FkLA]

He hit a huge shot in Game 3 against Miami that killed their rally.


Exactly. Everyone loves to point to that one big shot he made against Miami but people forget he hardly got any minutes during those playoffs after the POR series because he was so damn unplayable. This is fucking gross, man.

[dabom]

He hit a huge shot in Game 3 against Miami that killed their rally.

Rally started when he entered. :lol

[Leetonidas]

He was garbage in the playoffs for sure. But he is one of those players that will help us win regular season games. Think of how many games we lost in the RS last year because of our garbage shooting. Instead of playing Portland in round one and maybe at least advancing we dropped to a bottom seed and got raped by the Warriors. No one is counting on him to be some big time playoff difference maker. Without Leonard we're fucked anyway. May as well try to win some more regular season games tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

Man, if Patty Mills and Bryn Forbes were enough to get Green benched.... just wait and see what Marco and Lonnie do :lol

Hope Austin has good clubs....

[dabom]

He was trash in 2014. He started the opposing team rally himself and saved himself some face by hitting 1 shot. :lol

Tbh he played trash all the years in the RS. He played a good clips series though.

[Leetonidas]

Not like they committed a lot of money of years to him anyway

[dabom]

He was garbage in the playoffs for sure. But he is one of those players that will help us win regular season games. Think of how many games we lost in the RS last year because of our garbage shooting. Instead of playing Portland in round one and maybe at least advancing we dropped to a bottom seed and got raped by the Warriors. No one is counting on him to be some big time playoff difference maker. Without Leonard we're fucked anyway. May as well try to win some more regular season games tbh

He was trash in the regular season all his time here. He was decent for a stretch when he joined but was clearly a blackhole after that. At no point did he help in the RS.

[dabom]

I always said marco has been trash. But that clips series was decent. Flash in the pan though. And now he's older. Can't hate on his deal though. It's whatever.

[Leetonidas]

He definitely was not trash. He averaged 11 a game on 48 from the field and 44 from three in 2014. Better than Patty mills :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

He was trash in the regular season all his time here. He was decent for a stretch when he joined but was clearly a blackhole after that. At no point did he help in the RS.
Coming from the idiot that fluffed up Fatty Shills when he was a bottom 3 PG in the league, this doesn't mean much :lmao

Marco had 46/40.5/84.8 shooting splits in the RS during his tenure

[SpursDynasty85]

Marco is the average 6th man with a pension to make some big shots. Seems like good value plus it seems like a good fit chemistry and locker room wise. Need to see Parker retire, move Danny Green, and find a small forward and big man.

[dabom]

He definitely was not trash. He averaged 11 a game on 48 from the field and 44 from three in 2014. Better than Patty mills :lmao

2014 Playoffs even when pop hiding his blackhole ass.



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[dabom]

Thank that dude MVPatty for that 2014 Playoffs. :toast

[FkLA]

Why is it that practically every Spurfan hated Neal but loves Belli?

They're the same type of player, and it can be argued that Neal was a better shooter/scorer and that his '13 playoffs were more impressive than Belli's '14 playoffs.

[DAF86]

Looks like retards here haven't learned their lesson. Still overvaluing defense in today's NBA :lol especially scrubs that can't score to save their garbage lives

You ain't outscoring the Rockets and Warriors with Fathead, Murray, and Green.

lol talk about contradictions.

What current NBA taught us is that you need two way players. Players that are decent at many different things are better than players that excel at one thing but suck in many others.

[Leetonidas]

2014 Playoffs even when pop hiding his blackhole ass.



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I already said I'm talking for the RS. We have to temper our expectations without Kawhi.

[alpha_HaZE]

We get a much needed void filled with shooting and it's someone who knows the system/way and its dirt cheap as far as deals go and "fans" doing ST schtick depression and anger and rage schticks. Never change, ST zealots.

This Pretty Much! Marco is a good deal. And a good player. And has gotten better since we had him. And he brings a skill we badly missed last year.

This team without Kawhi is top4 in the West right now.

[TrainOfThought5]

The guys will definitely be happy that he’s back. The team needs better shooting so I understand it but it makes me wonder what’s happening with their guard rotation for sure.
Someone is either retiring or getting traded.

Hopefully two retirements.

[SupremeGuy]

Big balls Beli is back?

[alpha_HaZE]

Why is it that practically every Spurfan hated Neal but loves Belli?

They're the same type of player, and it can be argued that Neal was a better shooter/scorer and that his '13 playoffs were more impressive than Belli's '14 playoffs.

Not sure if that's relevant, to begin with, and I valued Neal as much as I value Marco, but most Spurs fans associate Marco with Manu and Marco gets that Manu love, and I think that's what explains it.

[FkLA]

Not sure if that's relevant, to begin with, and I valued Neal as much as I value Marco, but most Spurs fans associate Marco with Manu and Marco gets that Manu love, and I think that's what explains it.

Not you specifically, but really it's because most fans are dumb and associate each player with a singular play, imo.

With Neal it's a shoe-less Mike Miller scoring a three over him which confirms to people that he was a bad defender. With Belli's it's his "huge" shot to stop Miami's rally in Game 3 which confirms to people that he is capable of hitting big shots. In reality, they're the exact same player. I don't think Manu has anything to do with it.

[DAF86]

I tried to trick myself into thinking 12 mils for 2 years isn't that bad, but then it struck me that this will probably cost us Bertans and/or Anderson. Add that to the fact that this probably means Walker and/or White will get no playing time, and this is a very bad signing.

[TD 21]

An absurd signing by a front office that continues to show they've jumped the shark. Even if Ginobili is retiring and they plan to include either Green or Mills in a Leonard trade, they still didn't need a guard. Now White and Bertans (if retained) will have to compete for a rotation spot, while Walker is blocked. And if they're stupid enough to trade Leonard to the Lakers, Kuzma will take the White/Bertans spot.

Once again, either promising young players will be blocked by a defenseless, limited, aging player or they'll be playing nonsensical lineups, trying in vain to accommodate both simultaneously.

[SAGirl]

We have so many guards, I believe we have ten now plus Kawhi can bring the ball up.
Parker
Ginobili
Forbes
Murray
Belinelli
White
Green
Mills
Walker
Paul
Wow...
:wow
There's got to be some that will not be back for sure ...

[Spurs 4 The Win]

He hit a huge shot in Game 3 against Miami that killed their rally.

This

[SAGirl]

The Green vs Beli debate in 2014 was fun. Good old times :cry
Looks like it will be back.. Over 30 version.

[Mugen]

Best argument against the Beli signing is that the Spurs jumped the gun and overpaid. They probably could have gotten him at like 3-4mil per if they had waited a day or two. I also would get the argument for holding out the entire MLE for somebody like Tyreke Evans even thought I've never really been high on him.

But i don't get how he eats into Walker's minutes. Walker was a longshot to see any meaningful minutes especially since the Spurs plan to be competitive these next couple of years with or without Kawhi.

The eating into the 2019 capspace also makes zero sense to me. Who's coming to the Spurs next season after the Kawhi drama and Pop at most having 1 season left? Kawhi and Pop are literally the only reasons a big name Free Agent would come play for the Spurs :lol

Worst case scenario, you trade Beli like his last 3 teams have done :lmao

[sasaint]

Hopefully two retirements.

Signing Marco seems like a signal that Manu is hangin' em up.

[Mugen]

And if signing Beli means no more Fathead even better, considering RC would have probably give 8mil for 4 years for that slow fuck

[Dverde]

And if signing Beli means no more Fathead even better, considering RC would have probably give 8mil for 4 years for that slow fuck

They are matching on fathead unless he gets some crazy Hardaway Knicks contract. Book it, sorry.

[DAF86]

Best argument against the Beli signing is that the Spurs jumped the gun and overpaid. They probably could have gotten him at like 3-4mil per if they had waited a day or two. I also would get the argument for holding out the entire MLE for somebody like Tyreke Evans even thought I've never really been high on him.

But i don't get how he eats into Walker's minutes. Walker was a longshot to see any meaningful minutes especially since the Spurs plan to be competitive these next couple of years with or without Kawhi.

The eating into the 2019 capspace also makes zero sense to me. Who's coming to the Spurs next season after the Kawhi drama and Pop at most having 1 season left? Kawhi and Pop are literally the only reasons a big name Free Agent would come play for the Spurs :lol

Worst case scenario, you trade Beli like his last 3 teams have done :lmao

Well, that's a fucking mistake.

[Mugen]

Well, that's a fucking mistake.

I don't disagree but it's fucking Pop. If it's any consolation, Walker and Beli look like they play different roles. Walker looks like a shot creating guard while Beli is strictly a spot up shooter wing tbh.

[TD 21]

Best argument against the Beli signing is that the Spurs jumped the gun and overpaid. They probably could have gotten him at like 3-4mil per if they had waited a day or two. I also would get the argument for holding out the entire MLE for somebody like Tyreke Evans even thought I've never really been high on him.

But i don't get how he eats into Walker's minutes. Walker was a longshot to see any meaningful minutes especially since the Spurs plan to be competitive these next couple of years with or without Kawhi.

The eating into the 2019 capspace also makes zero sense to me. Who's coming to the Spurs next season after the Kawhi drama and Pop at most having 1 season left? Kawhi and Pop are literally the only reasons a big name Free Agent would come play for the Spurs :lol

Worst case scenario, you trade Beli like his last 3 teams have done :lmao

The difference is, instead of being an injury or Parker rest game away, he's now buried.

I know he only played 1 year in college, but he's probably their best prospect since Leonard and they're supposedly on the verge of a re-tool. I don't expect him to pull a Mitchell, but they should have at least left the door ajar for that (slim) possibility.

[tbdog]

Marco value actually went up with his play last season in Philly.... He even gave the SPURS a small discount.. He would have fetched upwards of 7-8 mil per from 2-3 other teams.


Exactly. He does his job. Shooters get paid and are always wanted.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

belli gets buckets and thats something spursies were lacking last year.

[TheGreatYacht]

I tried to trick myself into thinking 12 mils for 2 years isn't that bad, but then it struck me that this will probably cost us Bertans and/or Anderson. Add that to the fact that this probably means Walker and/or White will get no playing time, and this is a very bad signing.
Lol talk about contradictions

You trash on Beli for being useless on one side of the ball, but want Bertans (who's trash on defense and rebounding) and Anderson (who sucks at literally everything offensively)

[DAF86]

Lol talk about contradictions

You trash on Beli for being useless on one side of the ball, but want Bertans (who's trash on defense and rebounding) and Anderson (who sucks at literally everything offensively)

Bertans and Anderson are both average to above average on both sides of the floor. Yeah, it would help if Anderson could shoot for shit and Bertans could rebound according to his size. But they still do other things that allow them to not be liabilities on either side of the ball. Belli is totally useless on D.

[Dex]

Great news as far as I'm concerned. The Spurs probably won't be competing for a title this year anyways, so why not bring back a fan favorite? He's a bonafide shooter who could also be a good mentor for Walker, and if it means Forbes is gone, double bonus.

Glad to see Ferrari suiting up in the silver & black, and would love to see him out there working magic with Manu off the bench again.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bertans and Anderson are both average to above average on both sides of the floor. Yeah, it would help if Anderson could shoot for shit and Bertans could rebound according to his size. But they still do other things that allow them to not be liabilities on either side of the ball. Belli is totally useless on D.
You couldn't be more wrong.

The only thing Bertans does at an average level is shoot. Everything else is way below average it isn't even funny. He can't defend power forwards, he rebounds worse than half of the starting point guards in today's league, his shot selection is hideous, etc.

I know you're riding on that train until it drowns and all.... but you're about to crushed by the ocean's pressure :lol

[DAF86]

You couldn't be more wrong.

The only thing Bertans does at an average level is shoot. Everything else is way below average it isn't even funny. He can't defend power forwards, he rebounds worse than half of the starting point guards in today's league, his shot selection is hideous, etc.

I know you're riding on that train until it drowns and all.... but you're about to crushed by the ocean's pressure :lol

Bertans is also very good at putting the ball on the floor and finding open teammates. In defense he's an underrated shot blocker. Bertans is a baller, he just needs the confidence that only guaranteed minutes give you.

[TheGreatYacht]

I just find it hilarious that the only people hating on Belinelli for not being a 2-way player are fluffers of either Green, Mills, Bertans, or Anderson. The irony is so hard it hurts.

[DAF86]

I just find it hilarious that the only people hating on Belinelli for not being a 2-way player are fluffers of either Green, Mills, Bertans, or Anderson. The irony is so hard it hurts.

4 years ago Belli wasn't good enough to get more than 5 minutes per game when it mattered. Why would he be more useful now, being 4 years older and having developed a beer gut?

[FkLA]

Only an idiot would prefer Belly over Fathead.

Casual retards that only pay attention to muh PPG and muh 3PT shots. Smh.

[LittleCriminal]

4 years ago Belli wasn't good enough to get more than 5 minutes per game when it mattered. Why would he be more useful now, being 4 years older and having developed a beer gut?

Belli's Beer gut shoots better and is still quicker than the 4 years spent as a spur, Shit Pile Kyle. I'll take it.

[LittleCriminal]

Only an idiot would prefer Belly over Fathead.

Casual retards that only pay attention to muh PPG and muh 3PT shots. Smh.

It was what the team and shit pile kyle lacked last year dummy.
I bet you smell like pee.

[FkLA]

The only thing Bertans does at an average level is shoot. Everything else is way below average it isn't even funny.

What's hilarious is, even if this is true about Bertans, the exact same thing can be said about Belli. Over the years ST has hated Forbes, Neal, Bertans, Bonner, Finley, etc because all they can do is shoot but for whatever reason "Ferrari" gets a pass despite being the exact same type of player. He's arguably worse on defense than every single one of those guys too.

but he hit one shot against Miami :cry
but he does the big balls dance :cry
but he's Ferrari aka Belllichamp :cry

[alpha_HaZE]

Not you specifically, but really it's because most fans are dumb and associate each player with a singular play, imo.

With Neal, it's a shoe-less Mike Miller scoring a three over him which confirms to people that he was a bad defender. With Belli's it's his "huge" shot to stop Miami's rally in Game 3 which confirms to people that he is capable of hitting big shots. In reality, they're the exact same player. I don't think Manu has anything to do with it.

Context is important, the 3 point shot wasn't valued as much when Neal was playing. And in Today's NBA Marco can guard 1 to 3, which is also important. And the guy has hit big shots for us in the past and has the Spurs mentality Lebron praised. So let's focus on what really matters :)

[dabom]

Only an idiot would prefer Belly over Fathead.

Casual retards that only pay attention to muh PPG and muh 3PT shots. Smh.

Fathead is a different cancer. They're both cancer though.

[DAF86]

Context is important, the 3 point shot wasn't valued as much when Neal was playing. And in Today's NBA Marco can guard 1 to 3, which is also important. And the guy has hit big shots for us in the past and has the Spurs mentality Lebron praised. So let's focus on what really matters :)

:lol

[FkLA]

It was what the team and shit pile kyle lacked last year dummy.
I bet you smell like pee.

Better playmaker, better rebounder, better individual defender, better team defender, better slasher, better passer, better advanced metrics, more cerebral, more versatile, more length, younger. But yeah Belli is a better shooter therefore he'd have a bigger impact. Sound logic, genius. :tu

[dabom]

Brah, fathead is trash. Never been good. Beli at least was good in 2015 clips series. And yes that series mattered.

[alpha_HaZE]

:lol

I didn't say he is a good defender, but being a bit longer than Neal he can do an OK job at that.

[FkLA]

Brah, fathead is trash. Never been good. Beli at least was good in 2015 clips series. And yes that series mattered.

Kyle is 24. And he already impacts the game more than Belli ever has but most people are just too dumb to appreciate what he brings to the table. Y'all also judge him on two series against an elite GS when he was asked to replace Kawhi.

If he ever develops a consistent corner 3PT shot and a reliable midrange shot, it'd open up his drives/playmaking (which he's already good at) so much and he'd be a $10-15 mill/yr guy. Lock him up now for cheap and hope his shot improves.

[dabom]

I don't even like both dude. But saying fathead is better than beli is not correct.

[FkLA]

I didn't say he is a good defender, but being a bit longer than Neal he can do an OK job at that.

Defense and the word OK should never be used when talking about Belli. His height doesn't magically make him not atrocious.

[dabom]

Kyle is 24. And he already impacts the game more than Belli ever has but most people are just too dumb to appreciate what he brings to the table. Y'all also judge him on two series against an elite GS when he was asked to replace Kawhi.

If he ever develops a consistent corner 3PT shot and a reliable midrange shot, it'd open up his drives/playmaking (which he's already good at) so much and he'd be a $10-15 mill/yr guy. Lock him up now for cheap and hope his shot improves.

He's had 4 years to develop a shot. It's not happening. And he cancers it up vs the elite teams, which the Spurs play every playoffs. He does good vs trash but any good teams pick him apart. And pop plays him when he's decent and benches him when he sucks. The opposite of good players.

[Dex]

Kyle is 24. And he already impacts the game more than Belli ever has but most people are just too dumb to appreciate what he brings to the table. Y'all also judge him on two series against an elite GS when he was asked to replace Kawhi.

If he ever develops a consistent corner 3PT shot and a reliable midrange shot, it'd open up his drives/playmaking (which he's already good at) so much and he'd be a $10-15 mill/yr guy. Lock him up now for cheap and hope his shot improves.

You think Kyle is going to get faster as he ages?

Dude has had 4 years in the league, and is still afraid to shoot the fucking ball. I think he was worth the gamble to see if he develops, but frankly...what you see now is what you are going to get.

[KimmyGib]

He hit a huge shot in Game 3 against Miami that killed their rally.

Beli was involved in a lot of big shots... most of which he was defending.

Fans will probably be glad to see him back being that he's associated with 2014, but truth be told, he did more harm than good in those playoffs.

[Seventyniner]

I didn't say he is a good defender, but being a bit longer than Neal he can do an OK job at that.

Sure he's a better defender than Neal, but that's not saying much at all. Beli is a terrible defender, about as bad as Forbes.

[LittleCriminal]

Better playmaker, better rebounder, better individual defender, better team defender, better slasher, better passer, better advanced metrics, more cerebral, more versatile, more length, younger. But yeah Belli is a better shooter therefore he'd have a bigger impact. Sound logic, genius. :tu

You forgot to add better at sitting on the bench come playoff time..
But yeah.. Bigger impact. SoundS logicAL. Genius. GTFOH.

[FkLA]

He's had 4 years to develop a shot. It's not happening. And he cancers it up vs the elite teams, which the Spurs play every playoffs. He does good vs trash but any good teams pick him apart. And pop plays him when he's decent and benches him when he sucks. The opposite of good players.

Why is it not happening? Many players have taken longer and have been older. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that he develops that shot but it's also not out of the realms of possibility.

Again, you're judging him on his performance against not only an elite GS team but against a Top 3 player in Durant. He's not Durant or Kawhi, he's not going to go toe-to-toe with the former or fill-in admirably for the latter. Judge him for what he is and you'll be able to appreciate what he does bring to the table--which is a lot more than what dime a dozen "shooters" like Belli bring.


You think Kyle is going to get faster as he ages?

Dude has had 4 years in the league, and is still afraid to shoot the fucking ball. I think he was worth the gamble to see if he develops, but frankly...what you see now is what you are going to get.

He doesn't need to get faster. That's not his problem. He does of good job of covering his lack of speed with smarts/length on defense and craftiness/length on offense. His biggest problem by far is his shot. That's the only thing preventing him from breaking out. I think it's worth betting on him improving there, and if he does his contract would be amazing value considering everything else he brings to the table.

[dabom]

Why is it not happening? Many players have taken longer and have been older. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that he develops that shot but it's also not out of the realms of possibility.

Again, you're judging him on his performance against not only an elite GS team but against a Top 3 player in Durant. He's not Durant or Kawhi, he's not going to go toe-to-toe with the former or fill-in admirably for the latter. Judge him for what he is and you'll be able to appreciate what he does bring to the table--which is a lot more than what dime a dozen "shooters" like Belli bring.



He doesn't need to get faster. That's not his problem. He does of good job of covering his lack of speed with smarts/length on defense and craftiness/length on offense. His biggest problem by far is his shot. That's the only thing preventing him from breaking out. I think it's worth betting on him improving there, and if he does his contract would be amazing value considering everything else he brings to the table.

Appreciate what he brings? :lol

Obviously nothing. :lol

[LittleCriminal]

You think Kyle is going to get faster as he ages?

Dude has had 4 years in the league, and is still afraid to shoot the fucking ball. I think he was worth the gamble to see if he develops, but frankly...what you see now is what you are going to get.

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[SAGirl]

Have to side with DAF86 and FKLA in this one.

This turned into a Davis/Kyle troll thread but these two guys are 6'9 and 6'10 and spend time playing as forwards and bigs, in Davis case almost exclusively. Unless people are saying Marco is about to get minutes as a forward, that's just not even relevant. One or both will be back bc the team still needs some size and will be matched.

It does look like some guards aren't coming back or retiring and it affects playing time for the team's young guards... Or there's a trade we don't know about. Spurs may play a lot of small ball and they still aren't going to play (or shouldn't play) Marco as a forward specially in lineups with Gasol as the only bench big.

[FkLA]

You forgot to add better at sitting on the bench come playoff time..
But yeah.. Bigger impact. SoundS logicAL. Genius. GTFOH.

Yeah, I bet Belli will really shine against the Golden States of the world. :rolleyes

Do your fucking research:



When it was time to buckle down and win the tough games Bellinelli barely saw any minutes:


Game 5 vs OKC - 14 minutes
Game 6 at OKC - 6 minutes

Game 3 at MIA - 6 minutes
Game 4 at MIA - 4 minutes
Game 5 vs MIA - 8 minutes

[dabom]

Yeah, I bet Belli will really shine against the Golden States of the world. :rolleyes

Do your fucking research:

He had bigger balls in the clips series. Fathead has never matched that.

[LittleCriminal]

Have to side with DAF86 and FKLA in this one.

This turned into a Davis/Kyle troll thread but these two guys are 6'9 and 6'10 and spend time playing as forwards and bigs, in Davis case almost exclusively. Unless people are saying Marco is about to get minutes as a forward, that's just not even relevant. One or both will be back bc the team still needs some size and will be matched.

It does look like some guards aren't coming back or retiring and it affects playing time for the team's young guards... Or there's a trade we don't know about. Spurs may play a lot of small ball and they still aren't going to play (or shouldn't play) Marco as a forward specially in lineups with Gasol as the only bench big.

Thinking Nobody already knows what side ur with.. Lol fuk outta here troll

[LittleCriminal]

Either way, call up blossomgame.. Put shit pile in street clothes.

[HankChinaski]

When the offense is stagnant an guys this past season can't find the bottom of the net. It makes me feel good about signing Beli to alleviate some of those issues.

His defense isn't anything I would consider bragging about. But this team could use Beli during stretches. You take a hit on D or you utilize other players on the court to handle his short comings if possible on that side.

[cutewizard]

In other news Lebron just left the EAST

[ElNono]

Only an idiot would prefer Belly over Fathead.

Casual retards that only pay attention to muh PPG and muh 3PT shots. Smh.

Idiot here, tbh... and not even that high on Beli at this point.

[ElNono]

Not even sure how anybody can complain too much about this, when our alleged 'shooting specialists', Green, Patty, Forbes, couldn't hit the side of a barn...

It's not even the 3 ball, the Spurs still play a lot of mid-range, and Marco is a good shooter.

[cutewizard]

This is a good signing. Period.

[phxspurfan]

great deal, good win for los spurs

[Brazil]

What the fuck ?

:lmao

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWHakv5DBgY

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIuZB3YzYVs

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

belli can get 10 in limited minutes. if that's his role, and he does it, then fantastico.

[HI-FI]

:lol such unexpected but cool news. Glad that Ferrari is back.

[Ice009]

I was actually so mad with Marco's defense that I didn't want him on the court at all in the 2014 playoffs, but in the 2015 playoffs, he showed me some real toughness. He gave it everything he could to try and get the Spurs over the line while Kawhi's nuts shrank in the last 3 games of the series.

After seeing the Spurs shooters last season, a lot of you would know how appalled I was with the piss poor ability of these guys to even be able to hit wide open shots, I'm actually somewhat glad to see Marco back. No matter if I don't like his play, especially his defense on the court, he's a decent guy to have around on the team. I know he can hit open shots and I also know he's not afraid to take big shots. Make or miss, he's not afraid to take big shots, and that is something I am very big on.

[cutewizard]

I was actually so mad with Marco's defense that I didn't want him on the court at all in the 2014 playoffs, but in the 2015 playoffs, he showed me some real toughness. He gave it everything he could to try and get the Spurs over the line while Kawhi's nuts shrank in the last 3 games of the series.

After seeing the Spurs shooters last season, a lot of you would know how appalled I was with the piss poor ability of these guys to even be able to hit wide open shots, I'm actually somewhat glad to see Marco back. No matter if if I don't like his play, especially his defense on the court, he's a decent guy to have around on the team. I know he can hit open shots and I also know he's not afraid to take big shots. Make or miss, he's not afraid to take big shots, and that is something I am very big on.



:bobo

[weeks]

we're not gonna compete anyway, might as well watch king belli drain 3s

meh signing overall

[ceperez]

With another guard in the roster, I guess this would mean that Parker is gone?

Mills / Paul / White / Forbes (QO)
Murray / Green / Belinelli / Walker
Gay / Anderson (QO) / Bertans (QO)
Aldridge
Gasol

13 players with 10 players already signed.

With a shortage of bigs.

[gambit1990]

With another guard in the roster, I guess this would mean that Parker is gone?
hopefully.

[pad300]

With another guard in the roster, I guess this would mean that Parker is gone?

Mills / Paul / White / Forbes (QO)
Murray / Green / Belinelli / Walker
Gay / Anderson (QO) / Bertans (QO)
Aldridge
Gasol

13 players with 10 players already signed.

With a shortage of bigs.

I would expect them to dump Paul (unguaranteed), and withdraw Forbes QO. Further, I suspect that they plan on Beli as a 3 and Gay, Bertans and Anderson as 3/4 tweeners.

[HarlemHeat37]

The Cousins signing makes me dislike this even more:lol

They aren't related in any way, but that move just emphasizes how much control GS has on the title..Spurs aren't competing, the only excitement for next season will be watching the young players, I don't want to see old players eating their minutes..

[ducks]

The Cousins signing makes me dislike this even more:lol

They aren't related in any way, but that move just emphasizes how much control GS has on the title..Spurs aren't competing, the only excitement for next season will be watching the young players, I don't want to see old players eating their minutes..very tradeable to rockets lakers

[spurraider21]

this move only makes sense if forbes is cut loose

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uobITONhmmQ

[HarlemHeat37]

What was the point of signing this scrub? He was terrible when the Spurs won a title with him on the roster, so it's not like there was a loyalty factor..

When you already have Mills and ultimately kept Forbes as a rotation piece, what's the point of an old, soft, declining, no-defense player that would get exposed if you even make the playoffs?

Just a waste man..

[ducks]

Spurs need to put his fucking ass on the block for a young player

[slick'81]

But tha culture

[sasaint]

Spurs need to put his fucking ass on the block for a young player

Who will trade a decent young player for Marco?

Besides, PATFO doesn't trade unless forced into it.

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs need to put his fucking ass on the block for a young player
Belinelli has negative value and you think some team is going to attach a young player in a deal for him? :lmao Spurstalk is where fantasy lives.

[SAGirl]

Shouldn't have brought him back. Didn't like the signing but it's whatever at this point tbh. There comes a point you care less and less about things like this. At least it wasn't a 4/50 mills deal.

[Hoops Czar]

Shouldn't have brought him back. Didn't like the signing but it's whatever at this point tbh. There comes a point you care less and less about things like this. At least it wasn't a 4/50 mills deal.
The PATFO is "soft" and incapable of making hardcore decisions. Should never have let Sam Presti walk away.

[HarlemHeat37]

Having 1 Belinelli-type is fine, but they have FOUR of them in the rotation..FOUR..in today's NBA, where every good team is athletic and/or long..

Mills, Forbes and Bertans were already on the roster..why add ANOTHER one of these types?

[NASpurs]

Having 1 Belinelli-type is fine, but they have FOUR of them in the rotation..FOUR..in today's NBA, where every good team is athletic and/or long..

Mills, Forbes and Bertans were already on the roster..why add ANOTHER one of these types?

These players are a relic from 10 years ago when you could dump it down to Duncan and he would hit these types of players for 3s. Pop's philosophy is still stuck in that time.

[DAF86]

Just another one of those signings that nobody understood at the time and, as expected, ended it up being hot garbage. There's a whole bunch of these ones piling up on the PATFO history chart.

[DAF86]

Who will trade a decent young player for Marco?

Besides, PATFO doesn't trade unless forced into it.

Maybe the Sixers?

[Mugen]

Beli, Bertans, and Forbes all have moveable contracts too and will probably be valuable to a team that needs shooting (Philly) but RC/Pop for sure consider these guys untouchable tbh :lol

[Chinook]

What was the point of signing this scrub? He was terrible when the Spurs won a title with him on the roster, so it's not like there was a loyalty factor..

When you already have Mills and ultimately kept Forbes as a rotation piece, what's the point of an old, soft, declining, no-defense player that would get exposed if you even make the playoffs?

Just a waste man..

You could see what they were doing with Beli, Forbes and Bertans. They wanted to make sure they had shooting around their three best players. But they really need to invest in acquiring better defenders to compliment their guys too. I get that Walker was BPA. I understand the free-agent market wasn't great for SFs. But they controlled what they got in the Leonard trade (to an extent, obviously), and they controlled which low-level player they brought in for camp. It's hard to justify the lack of investment in any defensive players/prospects in light of all their moves.

[objective]

Just another one of those signings that nobody understood at the time and, as expected, ended it up being hot garbage. There's a whole bunch of these ones piling up on the PATFO history chart.

It's true

Used to be the only worry was Pop not playing younger, better players over scrubs due to whatever arbitrary loyalties and superstitions he had.

But RC joined him. Toronto was one of the deepest teams in the league and he had Milutinov waiting in the wings, yet RC somehow prized their big soft bum to grab while giving up Green with Fake Injury Kawhi. Add in feces July 1 deals for Mills and Marco and his awful Gasol deal and I have no faith in the Spurs FO anymore. They still draft okay but then you have to wait unknown lunar years for Pop to decide they've paid their dues.

[HarlemHeat37]

You could see what they were doing with Beli, Forbes and Bertans. They wanted to make sure they had shooting around their three best players. But they really need to invest in acquiring better defenders to compliment their guys too. I get that Walker was BPA. I understand the free-agent market wasn't great for SFs. But they controlled what they got in the Leonard trade (to an extent, obviously), and they controlled which low-level player they brought in for camp. It's hard to justify the lack of investment in any defensive players/prospects in light of all their moves.

I understand wanting shooting, but how can you have FOUR of these guys in the rotation? Anything more than 2 is pushing it, honestly..

If you're going to keep Forbes and Bertans, why add Marco? If you don't want to keep Anderson and shopped Green, why not look for a competent defender rather than arguably the worst in the league in Belinelli? If Murray was healthy, White wouldn't even be playing right now IMO, while Mills and Beli would be getting minutes..

[objective]

Let's also add that for the FOUR years before this season he only shot 35.5% from three. Just overrated as a shooter. Marco's last 4 seasons were even very slightly worse than Gary Neal's final 4 seasons in the NBA.

He played 11 seasons before this one and only managed at least 40% twice.

With his bad defense, poor shot selection, and overrated shooting he's just bad news and should lose his spot to Walker as soon as he's healthy. We know of course that it won't happen. But I have no doubt Walker can just as easily shoot 32% from 3 but add better defense and an element of athleticism in transition.

[Chinook]

I understand wanting shooting, but how can you have FOUR of these guys in the rotation? Anything more than 2 is pushing it, honestly..

If you're going to keep Forbes and Bertans, why add Marco? If you don't want to keep Anderson and shopped Green, why not look for a competent defender rather than arguably the worst in the league in Belinelli? If Murray was healthy, White wouldn't even be playing right now IMO, while Mills and Beli would be getting minutes..

That's the main problem. Maybe they did the Leonard trade too late for them to appropriately set up their roster. Like without the trade, you had:

Murray/White, Green, Leonard, Gay/Cunningham/Aldridge
Mills, White/Forbes/Murray, Belinelli, Bertans/Gay/Cunningham, Gasol
Forbes/White, Walker, Pondexter, Metu, (some cheap center like Joff)

And you'd have the understanding that Danny was going to be let walk, and Lonnie was going to take over. Sure, there's still some fat on that roster with Beli, Forbes and Bertans being one shooter too many, but with Leonard and Green, no one's complaining about size or D. Sure, they'd be complaining about O, likely, but if Murray still got hurt, I think White would look about as good as he does now, so that might not be as big of a problem. The DeRozan trade just dramatically increased the need for defensive wings, and it made having so many offense-first/offense-only perimeter players seem foolish.

[ElNono]

I don't think it has anywhere near as much to do with his shooting but ball movement and off the ball play. It's something they lost with Manu retiring, and Anderson never had. That said, the way this roster is constructed, basically playing LMA postups and DD/Gay ISOs, he's just not a great fit.

[Mugen]

If you had told me 3 months ago that firing RC and putting Dennis in his place would improve the franchise's future, I'd have said you're crazy. But here we are tbh.

[DAF86]

The fuck?

Didn't know my first reaction to this news was so spot on. :lol

[Robz4000]

If you had told me 3 months ago that firing RC and putting Dennis in his place would improve the franchise's future, I'd have said you're crazy. But here we are tbh.

Nah, I could've seen it 3 months ago. Seven or eight months ago is still too soon; RC has been bad at everything outside the draft for years.

[DAF86]

Looks like retards here haven't learned their lesson. Still overvaluing defense in today's NBA :lol especially scrubs that can't score to save their garbage lives

You ain't outscoring the Rockets and Warriors with Fathead, Murray, and Green.

lol son. :lol

[DAF86]

I tried to trick myself into thinking 12 mils for 2 years isn't that bad, but then it struck me that this will probably cost us Bertans and/or Anderson. Add that to the fact that this probably means Walker and/or White will get no playing time, and this is a very bad signing.

Yep.

[RC_Drunkford]

But RC joined him. Toronto was one of the deepest teams in the league and he had Milutinov waiting in the wings, yet RC somehow prized their big soft bum to grab while giving up Green with Fake Injury Kawhi. Add in feces July 1 deals for Mills and Marco and his awful Gasol deal and I have no faith in the Spurs FO anymore. They still draft okay but then you have to wait unknown lunar years for Pop to decide they've paid their dues.

But it's the best front office in the league:elephant

[r0drig0lac]

Having 1 Belinelli-type is fine, but they have FOUR of them in the rotation..FOUR..in today's NBA, where every good team is athletic and/or long..

Mills, Forbes and Bertans were already on the roster..why add ANOTHER one of these types?

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/popemote.gif because trump...

[HarlemHeat37]

31% from 3 now and still has a Kobe green light:lol

31%!!!

[DAF86]

Spurs are only making life harder on themselves by playing Bellinelli and Cunningham so damn much. Sure, the roster sucks, but switch Cunningham and Belinelli's roles with Bertans and White and watch the Spurs improve considerably.

[JeffDuncan]

Bertans is not starter quality. He gets pushed around and knocked down too much, and he has already been in the concussion protocol, this early in the season. He should play in certain matchups, where the opponent is not too strong and heavy.

[JeffDuncan]

Belinelli should just be dropped. Eat the contract, wave goodbye, and clear that spot on the bench. He's doing nobody any good.

[DAF86]

Bertans is not starter quality. He gets pushed around and knocked down too much, and he has already been in the concussion protocol, this early in the season. He should play in certain matchups, where the opponent is not too strong and heavy.

And Belinelli is stronger?

[DPG21920]

I disagree with your first point. I don't think it makes them true contenders, but it definitely improves the team and helps them get past the first round of the playoffs. That's important to a team who reportedly lost money the past couple of years.

Forbes is definitely better than Marco. Cheaper too.

[JeffDuncan]

And Belinelli is stronger?

Did you reply before you saw what I wrote above? Belinelli is rubbish.

[Chinook]

STers loves to cannibalize guys when they sense a bit of blood. I wasn't a huge fan of signing Beli (ever, but really this year in conjunction with their other moves), but he doesn't deserve to be harped on like this. He is slumping hard core, but he's also coming off a very strong stint with Philly. No reason to believe he won't turn that around. I also thought the rest of his game was pretty good tonight. With White wanting to take a back seat so often and Mills being limited as a play-maker, the bench can use Beli's BG-ness. I'm not against trading him, especially if there's value to be had. But I'm not dropping him from the rotation if I'm Pop.

[DAF86]

Did you reply before you saw what I wrote above? Belinelli is rubbish.

So, if Belinelli can get 25 mpg, why can't Bertans?

[JeffDuncan]

So, if Belinelli can get 25 mpg, why can't Bertans?

Bertans deserves it over Belinelli, if that's the question.

[SAGirl]

Marco has been caca.

He might bounce back at some point from this slump though but he’s so bad in general, lazy looking mofo.

[JeffDuncan]

STers loves to cannibalize guys when they sense a bit of blood. I wasn't a huge fan of signing Beli (ever, but really this year in conjunction with their other moves), but he doesn't deserve to be harped on like this. He is slumping hard core, but he's also coming off a very strong stint with Philly. No reason to believe he won't turn that around. I also thought the rest of his game was pretty good tonight. With White wanting to take a back seat so often and Mills being limited as a play-maker, the bench can use Beli's BG-ness. I'm not against trading him, especially if there's value to be had. But I'm not dropping him from the rotation if I'm Pop.

Belinelli's 3pt % is now the lowest of his career. Also, his 2pt % is the lowest of his career. It isn't just that he's missing 3s he used to hit, he's missing everything he used to hit. He is not nearly good enough on defense to merit a spot on that account. Lousy offense, and no defense, leaves him no reason to be here. The reason for thinking he won't turn it around is simple: age. Time for him to retire.

You want to give him more time? If 1/4 of a season isn't enough to evaluate a 12 year veteran player, then what is? It's enough. And he'd have to suddenly play one helluva lot better on O, because again, he's got no D.

There isn't even any reason to include him in the tank crew. The team can tank just fine while developing a younger player, during the minutes he would be on the court.

Not enough O. No D at all. Just taking up space that could be used productively to develop a young player.

Stick a fork in him.

[SAGirl]

Belinelli's 3pt % is now the lowest of his career. Also, his 2pt % is the lowest of his career. It isn't just that he's missing 3s he used to hit, he's missing everything he used to hit. He is not nearly good enough on defense to merit a spot on that account. Lousy offense, and no defense, leaves him no reason to be here. The reason for thinking he won't turn it around is simple: age. Time for him to retire.

You want to give him more time? If 1/4 of a season isn't enough to evaluate a 12 year veteran player, then what is? It's enough. And he'd have to suddenly play one helluva lot better on O, because again, he's got no D.

There isn't even any reason to include him in the tank crew. The team can tank just fine while developing a younger player, during the minutes he would be on the court.

Not enough O. No D at all. Just taking up space that could be used productively to develop a young player.

Stick a fork in him.
Eloquently put. Good point. We will see what happens when Walker is ready to play.

[Chinook]

Belinelli's 3pt % is now the lowest of his career. Also, his 2pt % is the lowest of his career. It isn't just that he's missing 3s he used to hit, he's missing everything he used to hit. He is not nearly good enough on defense to merit a spot on that account. Lousy offense, and no defense, leaves him no reason to be here. The reason for thinking he won't turn it around is simple: age. Time for him to retire.

You want to give him more time? If 1/4 of a season isn't enough to evaluate a 12 year veteran player, then what is? It's enough. And he'd have to suddenly play one helluva lot better on O, because again, he's got no D.

There isn't even any reason to include him in the tank crew. The team can tank just fine while developing a younger player, during the minutes he would be on the court.

Not enough O. No D at all. Just taking up space that could be used productively to develop a young player.

Stick a fork in him.

Yeah, Beli has a whole career of shooting well. 20 games doesn't determine anything. Moreover, he has a net rating of about zero (which is fine when you consider the rest of the team), and his net ratings with the bench unit are still really high. I get the intuition that since Beli is a bad defender, he hurts the team unless he scores. But it's not exactly true. The Aldridge, DeRozan, Belinelli trio has actually done well this year (much better than DMDR and LMA alone). Yes, dude should be hitting shots, but because he's moving without the ball, because he's not selfish and because he is willing to take shots that are there, the other scorers get better looks when he's on the court. If he actually did shoot well, the team would be insane with him on the court, like it was early in the season when he was the on/off leader by like an order of magnitude.

Shooters can slump. Mills did it. Green did it. He'll come out of it. Even if he doesn't, the team isn't having more success benching him unless they bring in other players (or hopefully Walker gets healthy).

[ElNono]

great signing, tbh, full of culture

[Mikeanaro]

He looks like young Stallone, so Im ok now.

[Kurgan]

I understand wanting shooting, but how can you have FOUR of these guys in the rotation? Anything more than 2 is pushing it, honestly..

If you're going to keep Forbes and Bertans, why add Marco? If you don't want to keep Anderson and shopped Green, why not look for a competent defender rather than arguably the worst in the league in Belinelli? If Murray was healthy, White wouldn't even be playing right now IMO, while Mills and Beli would be getting minutes..

I think the Kawhi drama traumatized Pop so bad he just wants to have some familiar faces around from the 2014 title winning team for his final two years as coach. It's no coincidence that the duration of Marco's contract mirrors Pop's. This is also why Mills will not be traded(even more obvious after's Pop's recent praise for his leadership abilities). Pop needs those loyal "Spurs culture" players on the roster until 2020 in order to enforce his military style discipline on the rest of the team.

[superbigtime]

Beli sucks

[r0drig0lac]

He looks like young Stallone, so Im ok now.

good point

[cool cat]

The guy won a 3 point contest with us, now I don’t trust him to shoot a wide open 3.

[HarlemHeat37]

I think the Kawhi drama traumatized Pop so bad he just wants to have some familiar faces around from the 2014 title winning team for his final two years as coach. It's no coincidence that the duration of Marco's contract mirrors Pop's. This is also why Mills will not be traded(even more obvious after's Pop's recent praise for his leadership abilities). Pop needs those loyal "Spurs culture" players on the roster until 2020 in order to enforce his military style discipline on the rest of the team.

:lol not a bad theory..

Such a piece of trash signing..disgusting..there wasn't even a loyalty factor either, he didn't contribute anything to the title..

[Hoops Czar]

One of the worst re-signings of all time.

[slick'81]

One of the worst re-signings of all time.

Gasol?Jefferson?Paddy?