Woj: Free agent guard Marco Belinelli has agreed to a two-year, $12M deal with Spurs

[TheGreatYacht]

Pop is not Brett Brown. Feel bad for Marco playing next to a fat Aussie midget pretending to be a point guard and leader.

[sananspursfan21]

While I’m sure no one was jumping up and down about this, who’d of thought this would have been such awful news? Has he had a good game yet? Has he had a respectable one?

[objective]

Philly not wanting anything to do with him after their giant winning streak with him in the lineup should have been a GIANT RED FLAG. How he leveraged his way into a second guaranteed year is baffling

[HarlemHeat37]

Philly not wanting anything to do with him after their giant winning streak with him in the lineup should have been a GIANT RED FLAG. How he leveraged his way into a second guaranteed year is baffling

I think they soured on him after Brad Stevens exploited him in the playoffs(after Spoelstra's embarrassing coaching job in the 1st round), just like when Pop had to bench him in the 2014 run:lol

[JakeCuenca]

Should explore a trade scenario with Utah. Utah Badly needs three point chuckers and I know beli should be available fpr trade in dec.

Crowder has been abysmal but he had a three year run averaging 35% from 3. They just cant survive with this roster.

They need a competent wing other than Gay.

[HarlemHeat37]

Should explore a trade scenario with Utah. Utah Badly needs three point chuckers and I know beli should be available fpr trade in dec.

Crowder has been abysmal but he had a three year run averaging 35% from 3. They just cant survive with this roster.

They need a competent wing other than Gay.

They just got Korver..

[objective]

I think they soured on him after Brad Stevens exploited him in the playoffs(after Spoelstra's embarrassing coaching job in the 1st round), just like when Pop had to bench him in the 2014 run:lol

Exactly, who were the Spurs negotiating against that they had to give a second tha year? He had already been dumped by so many teams

Philly told him to go away, Sacramento told him to go away, Atlanta told him to go away, Charlotte told him to go away, the bulls told him to go away, New Orleans told him to go away, the Spurs, Warriors, Toronto ...a third of the damn league flushed him down the toilet but RC and Pop get suckered

[slick'81]

Exactly, who were the Spurs negotiating against that they had to give a second tha year? He had already been dumped by so many teams

Philly told him to go away, Sacramento told him to go away, Atlanta told him to go away, Charlotte told him to go away, the bulls told him to go away, New Orleans told him to go away, the Spurs, Warriors, Toronto ...a third of the damn league flushed him down the toilet but RC and Pop get suckered

Exactly!Hes not a bad player for the vet min. after getting passed around by every team but here comes the spurs with 6 mil per:( Like wtf are the spurs doing

[SAGirl]

Marco has been caca.

[MannyIsGod]

Forbes is definitely better than Marco. Cheaper too.

Did you call that before the season? If so, good call.

[DAF86]

They just got Korver..

Damn, I wanted Korver. :(

[JakeCuenca]

Damn, I wanted Korver. :(

Why? The spurs dont need another unatletic shooter.

[DAF86]

Why? The spurs dont need another unatletic shooter.

We could have traded our unathletic non-shooter for this other unathletic shooter that is taller and a smarter team defender, tbh.

[Dex]

Why? The spurs dont need another unatletic shooter.

Especially not one who is 37 and making $7.5M+ a year through 2020.

[JakeCuenca]

We could have traded our unathletic non-shooter for this other unathletic shooter that is taller and a smarter team defender, tbh.

No. :lol

The team needs a defensive wing that can shoot the three 35% and above and a bench guy that can penetrate specially in minutes when Demar is at the bench.

The spurs in 2018 dont have a 3&D player.

[DAF86]

No. :lol

The team needs a defensive wing that can shoot the three 35% and above and a bench guy that can penetrate specially in minutes when Demar is at the bench.

The spurs in 2018 dont have a 3&D player.

Of course I would rather have a 3and D guy. But getting Korver and a 3 and D guy isn't mutually exclusive. I just always wanted Korver on the Spurs, he has always been a super role player.

[JakeCuenca]

Of course I would rather have a 3and D guy. But getting Korver and a 3 and D guy isn't mutually exclusive. I just always wanted Korver on the Spurs, he has always been a super role player.

Do you understand how trade works? The spurs have limited tradable asset. Getting rid of one just to get the same kind of player is dumb.

[TheGreatYacht]

No more white players. Ffs

[FkLA]

:wow :wow paging BRHornet, Ferrari!!


BIG BALLS BELINELLI


:lol the Ferrari!!!!! wtf


Ferrari’s back! Fuck yea :lol



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:wow


I don't think anyone saw this coming! We have shooting and playmaking! Belli and Mills in the backcourt. :wow

Retards. Retards everywhere.

[objective]

he had a typically trash game but did raise his season %s soooooo .... RC feeling vindicated

[r0drig0lac]

I don't think anyone saw this coming! We have shooting and playmaking! Belli and Mills in the backcourt. :wow

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[Mugen]

Retards. Retards everywhere.

:lmao Aren't you one of the retards who thought the Spurs would be pretty good this year? If you think garbage ass Beli is the team's main issue then I got some italian churro stands to sell you amigo

[BackHome]

He does love the Churro. :eyebrows

[Joseph Kony]

Retards. Retards everywhere.

hey fuck you, all i did was post a :wow, that could be interpreted in a number of ways tbh

[SAGirl]

:td tankathon deal

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1069025139956817921

[objective]

Surprise surprise, Spurs much better without Marco and his terrible defense, bad shot selection and 32% shooting.

Just like the good old days.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Surprise surprise, Spurs much better without Marco and his terrible defense, bad shot selection and 32% shooting.

Just like the good old days.

As much crap as Forbes/Mills get, Marco is far worse on D, which totally cancels out his O. The only things Marco can do better than DWhite is shooting and off ball movement, but when you consider Marco's shooting selection that pretty much negates that advantage.

Marco needs to see very limited minutes to reduce DDR minutes a bit more, but would like to see White get the bulk of minutes that were going to Beli, and Pop stick with tonights SL for a few games

[RC_Drunkford]

Can we get anything valuable from Philly for him?

[BillMc]

Can we get anything valuable from Philly for him?

Marco for Simmons. DO IT!

Seriously, that's a good idea. Philly probably would love him back, we'd love him gone if we can get anything of value.

[SAGirl]

Surprise surprise, Spurs much better without Marco and his terrible defense, bad shot selection and 32% shooting.

Just like the good old days.
:tu

[SAGirl]

Can we get anything valuable from Philly for him?
Philly passed on re-signing him.

Frankly unless I was a tanking team I'd pass on him too. He has nothing to offer a good team at this point.

[objective]

Can we get anything valuable from Philly for him?

No. They didn't want to pay him what the Spurs did. Might not have wanted him back at anything above minimum.

[RC_Drunkford]

Marco for Simmons. DO IT!

Seriously, that's a good idea. Philly probably would love him back, we'd love him gone if we can get anything of value.

I see only Wilson Chandler but he earns double of what Marco is earning. Would have to attach either Bertans or Cunningham and Pondexter. I don't think PATFO would do this

[BillMc]

I see only Wilson Chandler but he earns double of what Marco is earning. Would have to attach either Bertans or Cunningham and Pondexter. I don't think PATFO would do this

Would you do Fultz for Macro? (Not that it would happen...)

[Indianman]

Philly passed on re-signing him.

Frankly unless I was a tanking team I'd pass on him too. He has nothing to offer a good team at this point.

After the departure of Saric and Covington and the tomfuckery of Fultz might make them assess their need for Beli

[sasaint]

Marco for Simmons. DO IT!

Seriously, that's a good idea. Philly probably would love him back, we'd love him gone if we can get anything of value.

Sure, wouldn't hurt to make the offer. Except Philly would prolly get better offers.

[sasaint]

Sure, wouldn't hurt to make the offer. Except Philly would prolly get better offers.

Amend: oops, I thought I read "Fultz."

[sasaint]

After the departure of Saric and Covington and the tomfuckery of Fultz might make them assess their need for Beli

Good logic. Wouldn't hurt to offer.

[BillMc]

Amend: oops, I thought I read "Fultz."

Yeah. I was thinking Philly could do better for Simmons than Marco too. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Would you do Fultz for Macro? (Not that it would happen...)

of course, get him to Chip and he will have a jumpshot

[SAGirl]

After the departure of Saric and Covington and the tomfuckery of Fultz might make them assess their need for Beli
They are on a winning streak right now and are playing well. Why would they need Cancernelli? They already had him and let him go.

Maybe for Fultz if you attach a pick (I wouldn't).

[objective]

MLE prize Marco with the second half benching. If only it was for both halves for the rest of the season.

$12 million in dead money

Congrats Pop and RC. Really looking forward to next season's MLE prize, 35 year old Gary Neal with the 3/21 deal.

[BatManu20]

Meh. Marco’s a pretty easily tradeable contract. He can be moved and there are plenty of teams that would have interest for a shooter off the bench, especially as contending teams try to make moves before the playoff race. Spurs might actually go that route if the suckage continues.

[objective]

Pretty confident in thinking that Marco's days of being easily moved are over. Nobody wanted to give up a damn thing for him last year on almost identical money. Atlanta had to cut him, nobody was biting, they couldn't get a protected second rounder.

How does he still have the rep that he's some great or even good shooter? He's always been overrated. Couldn't even hit 35.0% for Philly in the playoffs.

Quarter mark into the season and he's shooting 32.1% from three.

[Chinook]

Pretty confident in thinking that Marco's days of being easily moved are over. Nobody wanted to give up a damn thing for him last year on almost identical money. Atlanta had to cut him, nobody was biting, they couldn't get a protected second rounder.

How does he still have the rep that he's some great or even good shooter? He's always been overrated. Couldn't even hit 35.0% for Philly in the playoffs.

Quarter mark into the season and he's shooting 32.1% from three.

The Hawks had offers for Beli that included seconds, but none of those teams were willing to add pure expirings in the deal. In retrospect, it makes little sense for them to have turned those down provided the picks were decent. They didn't need the cap space. Philly preserved cap space for a Leonard trade and/or James signing. I'm all for not having Beli on teams and all, but their situation was much closer to Dallas letting guys like Barea go (or SA letting Marco in 2015) than say a Gary Neal situation.

Would a team take Beli at this point? I think so, though I'm less sure they'd take him for pure expirings. Something like a Thunder fan proposed on RealGM is probably on the table: Beli for Patterson, TLC and a second. Honestly don't think that's good enough, but it's within range if the team can find a forward another team wants to trade

[SAGirl]

Cancernelli. Props to Raven who coined that name.

[ElNono]

Marco is fine, tbh, people just want role players like him to save the bacon when the alleged 'stars' are happy to drop 20, 30 points, play no defense and go home with an L...

As terrible as Patty or Forbes have been, they've been way over their heads, tbh, they're bench players thrown in to close games, etc. Cunningham, same thing.

Bertans also looks like a bench player, and I don't know if I would rank him above current Marco, tbh... then you have promising guys like White (who is going to make mistakes) that are constantly in the doghouse...

[HarlemHeat37]

Marco is fine, tbh, people just want role players like him to save the bacon when the alleged 'stars' are happy to drop 20, 30 points, play no defense and go home with an L...

As terrible as Patty or Forbes have been, they've been way over their heads, tbh, they're bench players thrown in to close games, etc. Cunningham, same thing.

Bertans also looks like a bench player, and I don't know if I would rank him above current Marco, tbh... then you have promising guys like White (who is going to make mistakes) that are constantly in the doghouse...

Who is asking Marco to save anything? He's playing his role horribly:lol

He's playing 20 MPG, all he's asked to do is provide an offensive burst off the bench..he's shooting 32% from 3 and takes some of the worst shot attempts you'll ever see in an NBA game..

I would understand and agree with your argument if you were referring to Forbes, since he's being asked to play a much more prominent role than he's suited for, but Marco? Nah..

[DAF86]

Also, Bertans and Belinelli are out there for the same thing: three pts shooting. One is averaging 32% and the other 44%, but you don't know who you would rank first? :lol

[MultiTroll]

but but but we couldn't sign Boban for 3Xs 7. :pop:

Go Belli :cheer

[ElNono]

Who is asking Marco to save anything? He's playing his role horribly:lol

He's playing 20 MPG, all he's asked to do is provide an offensive burst off the bench..he's shooting 32% from 3 and takes some of the worst shot attempts you'll ever see in an NBA game..

I would understand and agree with your argument if you were referring to Forbes, since he's being asked to play a much more prominent role than he's suited for, but Marco? Nah..


Also, Bertans and Belinelli are out there for the same thing: three pts shooting. One is averaging 32% and the other 44%, but you don't know who you would rank first? :lol

:lol I was fishing, but didn't think I would catch you my niglets...

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I actually thought Belinelli would be a decent pickup. Not a major role player but a great second unit piece. Not so far.

[spurraider21]

marco for 2/12 isn't awful in a vacuum. its just awful to have patty+forbes+marco all on the same roster.

[koriwhat]

I actually thought Belinelli would be a decent pickup. Not a major role player but a great second unit piece. Not so far.

so did i. i was actually stoked we got belli back but up to this point it was all delusion. i hadn't seen belli in a couple yrs since he left the spurs and figured he was about the same as he was with us. well, i was wrong!

[r0drig0lac]

I went in favor of his arrival because I thought this would mean Forbes and Mills would not be here anymore, I was wrong (for several reasons)

[kaji157]

Marco made a lot of sense because he made mills and Forbes expendable. The problem is both are still here.
Spurs fans need to understand that no analysis has meaning while mills is here. Having an undersized guard who can't pass, rebound or defend, whose only skill is shooting and is unable to shoot is a big disadvantage in today's nba.
Once we get rid of him we'll see what this team can do.

[kaji157]

Marco made a lot of sense because he made mills and Forbes expendable. The problem is both are still here.
Spurs fans need to understand that no analysis has meaning while mills is here. Having an undersized guard who can't pass, rebound or defend, whose only skill is shooting and is unable to shoot is a big disadvantage in today's nba.
Once we get rid of him we'll see what this team can do.

[DPG21920]

If George Hill and his contract can net a first and second round pick, I am confident many of SA’s contracts can be moved as well.

[DPG21920]

I forgot the Hill’s deal next year is only 1M guaranteed. Point remains, Rudy has no money next year. Pau has 6.7M. If SA found a contract that was fully guaranteed around Pau’s deal they could do what CLE did with Hill and net a pick maybe. Just an option.

[Coach X]

I actually thought Belinelli would be a decent pickup. Not a major role player but a great second unit piece. Not so far.
Me too.

I thought Aldridge would play last year defense, Poelt would be more solid protecting the rim, Rudy and DeRozan would work hard to become average defenders and White would have Forbes position on rotation, becoming the primary guard defender in the second unit, next to Mills. I also expected an improvement in D from Bertans, a player I trusted. Obviously, I wasn't expecting Murray to miss the entire season. On the paper, in the preseason, Marco's signing made sense, considering him to be a bad defender into a more balanced roster where he added offense off the ball and his defensive weakness could be compensated by others.

We were expecting the defense to regress but at least to be decent. After Murray's injury, White's injury and the first games we observed we were wrong. Nor the system or our players are performing well and the hope of having a good defense is gone. Currently, Spurs defense couldn't be worst so it will improve inevitably, but given the current circumstances, I don't think this team can even be above the lower third defenses of the NBA.

There are too many offensive players and not enough defensive players in the roster so there is a clear direction to take for PATFO. Marco had a value for his experience in San Antonio but he hasn't been that helpful at the beginning of this season. His reputation as a shooter is hurt now due to his low %s and bad shot selection and he's missing Gasol more than anybody as the lack of good passers has killed his off the ball game. Belinelli isn't a valuable piece for the Spurs now but the question is: Is he for any other franchise?

[spurraider21]

31% from 3 now and still has a Kobe green light:lol

31%!!!
climbed his way up to 39

marco's shot selection is always going to be stupid. marco gonna marco tbh :lol

[Seventyniner]

climbed his way up to 39

marco's shot selection is always going to be stupid. marco gonna marco tbh :lol

He would easily be in the mid-40s if he took more sane shots. Well maybe not, he might be better at those leaning shots than set ones by now.

[DPG21920]

Marcos value has done a complete 180 IMO. He was really bad and struggling early, but he’s someone that have been proving his value off the ball and in general and with his shot going in? He’s definitely in that Korver value mode. He is an asset if SA wanted to move him.

[BillMc]

Marcos value has done a complete 180 IMO. He was really bad and struggling early, but he’s someone that have been proving his value off the ball and in general and with his shot going in? He’s definitely in that Korver value mode. He is an asset if SA wanted to move him.

Yep. I can't believe I even considered discussing a Fultz for Marco trade. Fults would love to have Marco's career at this point.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

This version of Beli is what I was expecting. Balls of steel on offense, and mediocre defense, but smarter than the average player out there. Glad to see him come around.

[Dex]

This version of Beli is what I was expecting. Balls of steel on offense, and mediocre defense, but smarter than the average player out there. Glad to see him come around.

He was the Spurs wild card in 2014. He filled big, valuable minutes in the regular season to help the team to the #1 seed and home-court throughout, and had a few big moments in the playoffs which definitely made an impact.

Most importantly, he loved and was loved on those teams. It's good to have another one of those guys in our locker room.

Beli will always have his warts, but he is still one of those guys you want on your side.

[ceperez]

He was the Spurs wild card in 2014. He filled big, valuable minutes in the regular season to help the team to the #1 seed and home-court throughout, and had a few big moments in the playoffs which definitely made an impact.

Most importantly, he loved and was loved on those teams. It's good to have another one of those guys in our locker room.

Beli will always have his warts, but he is still one of those guys you want on your side.

He did very well in the playoffs 2014-15. .467 on 4.3 attempts from 3. Honestly, Spurs should have paid him the money to stay.

[Gagnrath]

He did very well in the playoffs 2014-15. .467 on 4.3 attempts from 3. Honestly, Spurs should have paid him the money to stay.

He's one of those players where him being streakey as a shooter, and questionable at times on defense and decision making means that his value has a definite upper limit as a complimentary player. Also much like most other players on this team his involvement level on offense goes a long way to determine his engagement level on defense. Never a great defender when he's not engaged on that end he is a liability. Personally I don't think he's a 6 million a year player... I would do fun things with his contract start him at say 4,800,000 give him a 500,000 bonus if he scores 1000 points for the season. Give him an extra 100000 if he shoots over 33% for the season and extra 250000 if he gets named to an all defense team. 75k for averaging 3 assists per game for the year. An extra 10k for every 10 steals for the year and an extra 5k for every 10 blocks. Figure 10k for each triple double. If he's named an all star he gets a 25k bonus and a new car. Then give him something like a Spark.

[Gagnrath]

He did very well in the playoffs 2014-15. .467 on 4.3 attempts from 3. Honestly, Spurs should have paid him the money to stay.

He's one of those players where him being streakey as a shooter, and questionable at times on defense and decision making means that his value has a definite upper limit as a complimentary player. Also much like most other players on this team his involvement level on offense goes a long way to determine his engagement level on defense. Never a great defender when he's not engaged on that end he is a liability. Personally I don't think he's a 6 million a year player... I would do fun things with his contract start him at say 4,800,000 give him a 500,000 bonus if he scores 1000 points for the season. Give him an extra 100000 if he shoots over 33% for the season and extra 250000 if he gets named to an all defense team. 75k for averaging 3 assists per game for the year. An extra 10k for every 10 steals for the year and an extra 5k for every 10 blocks. Figure 10k for each triple double. If he's named an all star he gets a 25k bonus and a new car. Then give him something like a Spark.

[exstatic]

He's one of those players where him being streakey as a shooter, and questionable at times on defense and decision making means that his value has a definite upper limit as a complimentary player. Also much like most other players on this team his involvement level on offense goes a long way to determine his engagement level on defense. Never a great defender when he's not engaged on that end he is a liability. Personally I don't think he's a 6 million a year player... I would do fun things with his contract start him at say 4,800,000 give him a 500,000 bonus if he scores 1000 points for the season. Give him an extra 100000 if he shoots over 33% for the season and extra 250000 if he gets named to an all defense team. 75k for averaging 3 assists per game for the year. An extra 10k for every 10 steals for the year and an extra 5k for every 10 blocks. Figure 10k for each triple double. If he's named an all star he gets a 25k bonus and a new car. Then give him something like a Spark.

Six million is about 2/3s of the mid level exception. To say that a player with one EXTREMELY outstanding NBA skill, in his case shooting, isn't worth $6M is beyond ridiculous.

[monty4329]

Six million is about 2/3s of the mid level exception. To say that a player with one EXTREMELY outstanding NBA skill, in his case shooting, isn't worth $6M is beyond ridiculous.

Second to that. He has a stigma of being a bad defender, which was true in the past but now he is quite serviceable in defense too. For the production and the efficiency with whichhe performs, he is grossly underpaid. Just look at the offense flow when he is playing and when not. Philly misses him badly.

[UncleDennis]

Second to that. He has a stigma of being a bad defender, which was true in the past but now he is quite serviceable in defense too. For the production and the efficiency with whichhe performs, he is grossly underpaid. Just look at the offense flow when he is playing and when not. Philly misses him badly.

I don't know a team which wouldn't benefit from having him around. I'm glad the Spurs got him again.

[TheGreatYacht]

The FkLA meltdown in the first 5 pages :lmao nigga also called everyone that didn't want Fathead a retard

[Coach X]

Nice bump.

Team's defense has improved since December to the point of becoming the 19th of the league (Def Rtg 111.3). There are more and more teams losing the playoffs train and starting to tank, which helps statistically the teams still in the fight. Anyway, Spurs got better in D and the team started winning more games. Marco's defense looks better as it does everybody's.

Belinelli has found his shot and he's scoring some of the most unorthodox shots we've seen, despite the degree of difficulty. In the past, Belinelli used to score tough lay-ups, short shots, and even mid jumpers but he didn't take so many unbalanced threes. He's making them now but I'm not sure how sustainable is this in the mid-long term.

Marco is a serviceable player this season but he's a Shooting Guard, not a SF. The guard rotation for next year is already packed so I'm not sure what could be his role next season. During the Rodeo Road Trip, the team will face continuously good teams for some weeks. I think those games will give us the measure of the team and the players.

[cd021]

Aldridge improving to the mean, same with Beli, and Cunningham being replaced with White and White turning into a good NBA players is the biggest reasons for the turnaround tbh.

[cd021]

Nice bump.

Team's defense has improved since December to the point of becoming the 19th of the league (Def Rtg 111.3). There are more and more teams losing the playoffs train and starting to tank, which helps statistically the teams still in the fight. Anyway, Spurs got better in D and the team started winning more games. Marco's defense looks better as it does everybody's.

Belinelli has found his shot and he's scoring some of the most unorthodox shots we've seen, despite the degree of difficulty. In the past, Belinelli used to score tough lay-ups, short shots, and even mid jumpers but he didn't take so many unbalanced threes. He's making them now but I'm not sure how sustainable is this in the mid-long term.

Marco is a serviceable player this season but he's a Shooting Guard, not a SF. The guard rotation for next year is already packed so I'm not sure what could be his role next season. During the Rodeo Road Trip, the team will face continuously good teams for some weeks. I think those games will give us the measure of the team and the players.

I could see LWIV potientially pushing him for his backup spot sometime next season, if LWIV continues to improve and Beli regresses.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

He did very well in the playoffs 2014-15. .467 on 4.3 attempts from 3. Honestly, Spurs should have paid him the money to stay.

They renounced everyone to get the cap space for Aldridge, they couldn't have kept him.

[exstatic]

I could see LWIV potientially pushing him for his backup spot sometime next season, if LWIV continues to improve and Beli regresses.

Beli may not be here next year. If they want to keep Rudy, they'll likely have to bump him from $10M to like $17-18M, and that money has to come from somewhere. Not even talking about Bird rights or Early Bird. I know we'll have one of those. I'm talking about the tax threshold. They may be able to squeeze it in next year, but the year after, DJ will be getting paid.

[cd021]

Beli may not be here next year. If they want to keep Rudy, they'll likely have to bump him from $10M to like $17-18M, and that money has to come from somewhere. Not even talking about Bird rights or Early Bird. I know we'll have one of those. I'm talking about the tax threshold. They may be able to squeeze it in next year, but the year after, DJ will be getting paid.


-The cap is set to jump to $109 million with the luxury tax likely to hit $130 million.

-The Spurs books stand at $110 million- Gasol's $16 million + $6.7 million (his guarantee)=$100,700,000

+ Gay (The most he could get, I believe, is $17,652,600) but that seems like waay to much money for him. But maybe a compromise is two years $28-30 million.

=~$115,200,000

+$9,000,000 for a MLE player= ~$124,200,000

+ 1 of the two first-round picks (they may stash the 28th pick or try and package them for a higher pick)

either way, they should be safely under the luxury tax by at least a couple of million with a full roster.

[benefactor]

Feeding his haters something long and thick tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

The faggots that were melting down on here aren't posting anymore for some reason :lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

His regression was inevitable, but still stupid to have Belinelli/Mills/Forbes/Bertans on the same roster, any decent coach will expose them in the playoffs..

Belinelli having a cult following is one of the strangest things on ST..they had to bench him and remove him from the rotation to win a title:lol he's unplayable in real games for more than 10 minutes or so..

[TheGreatYacht]

^ Dedmon, Fathead, Raymond fan :lol

Basically a plus minus fan rofl

[HarlemHeat37]

I'll never understand how this bum has a cult following on this forum:lol he's so bad, watching him try to play defense hurts my heart as a basketball fan..I've never seen a Spurs defender as clueless as he is trying to figure out rotations..

He has to shoot at least 45% from 3 to justify being on the court for a team with real aspirations..I don't understand how you can sign him when you already have Mills, Forbes and Bertans on the roster..

[spurraider21]

I'll never understand how this bum has a cult following on this forum:lol he's so bad, watching him try to play defense hurts my heart as a basketball fan..I've never seen a Spurs defender as clueless as he is trying to figure out rotations..

He has to shoot at least 45% from 3 to justify being on the court for a team with real aspirations..I don't understand how you can sign him when you already have Mills, Forbes and Bertans on the roster..
thats been the headscratcher all along. i dont have a problem with having a patty/forbes/marco on your tea. besides patty, none are really being overpaid either. but why all 3 :lol...

[HarlemHeat37]

^^I've disliked Belinelli from day 1, but ya, his contract isn't bad at all and the signing itself wasn't bad in a vacuum..however, you waste your only $ on him when Mills and Forbes are already in your plans for the upcoming season? Just puzzling..

[TDomination]

His regression was inevitable, but still stupid to have Belinelli/Mills/Forbes/Bertans on the same roster, any decent coach will expose them in the playoffs..

Belinelli having a cult following is one of the strangest things on ST..they had to bench him and remove him from the rotation to win a title:lol he's unplayable in real games for more than 10 minutes or so..
I hate the redundancy on all those players. If i could choose, it would be to keep Bertans and Belinelli.

But if there was an odd man out, for me it would be Forbes. I feel at least with Belinelli, he's a pretty decent passer and has shown plenty of times he can hit the big shot.

[Hoops Czar]

I hate the redundancy on all those players. If i could choose, it would be to keep Bertans and Belinelli.

But if there was an odd man out, for me it would be Forbes. I feel at least with Belinelli, he's a pretty decent passer and has shown plenty of times he can hit the big shot.

Bertans might be one of thge most overhyped Spurs players in the last decade, a decade that also includes the likes of "side show" Boban and Dejuan Blair. Bertans brings nothing to the table other than a three point shot but don't ask him to hit a shot inside of 20 ft. in the clutch because he can't do it.

[phxspurfan]

Why does this thread keep getting bumped. Beli doesn't have anything to do with us losing. He is what he is, an okay role player who is also a journeyman at this point. He is also past his prime (which was likely toward the beginning of his career when he was on the Warriors).

[spurraider21]

I hate the redundancy on all those players. If i could choose, it would be to keep Bertans and Belinelli.

But if there was an odd man out, for me it would be Forbes. I feel at least with Belinelli, he's a pretty decent passer and has shown plenty of times he can hit the big shot.
i dont lump bertans in with those guys at all. he isn't is bad as them defensively and he plays a different position altogether

[phxspurfan]

Bertans might be one of thge most overhyped Spurs players in the last decade, a decade that also includes the likes of "side show" Boban and Dejuan Blair. Bertans brings nothing to the table other than a three point shot but don't ask him to hit a shot inside of 20 ft. in the clutch because he can't do it.

So wrong about Bert. So wrong.

[Hoops Czar]

So wrong about Bert. So wrong.
Since missing the game winner badly in Toronto, 2-9, 6 points, 55 minutes. Start Bertans right now! :lmao

[phxspurfan]

Since missing the game winner badly in Toronto, 2-9, 6 points, 55 minutes. Start Bertans right now! :lmao

He's on a cold streak like the rest of the team. Trust the :spam:

[Hoops Czar]

He's on a cold streak like the rest of the team. Trust the :spam:
I still wouldn't want him anywhere near the starting lineup.

[HarlemHeat37]

Why does this thread keep getting bumped. Beli doesn't have anything to do with us losing. He is what he is, an okay role player who is also a journeyman at this point. He is also past his prime (which was likely toward the beginning of his career when he was on the Warriors).

Because he was the only notable FA signing in the offseason on a team that already had 2 bottom-tier defenders on the perimeter in the rotation..

[phxspurfan]

Because he was the only notable FA signing in the offseason on a team that already had 2 bottom-tier defenders on the perimeter in the rotation..

Sure, but that's not his fault the FO gave contracts to worse players. Without some of Beli's performances we would have lost by 20-30 points. The guys we should really be angry at signing are QPon, Cunningham, and keeping Mills and Gasol. That's what's killing this team.

[Hoops Czar]

Because he was the only notable FA signing in the offseason on a team that already had 2 bottom-tier defenders on the perimeter in the rotation..
Why should the Spurs care about defense when the league itself has done everything in its power to eliminate defense? To win in today's NBA, you have to be able to outscore your opponent. The only real crime here is giving away Green in the Leonard trade for virtually nothing. Two way players don't exactly grow on trees.

[J_Paco]

I'll never understand how this bum has a cult following on this forum:lol he's so bad, watching him try to play defense hurts my heart as a basketball fan..I've never seen a Spurs defender as clueless as he is trying to figure out rotations..

He has to shoot at least 45% from 3 to justify being on the court for a team with real aspirations..I don't understand how you can sign him when you already have Mills, Forbes and Bertans on the roster..

This is the biggest recent blunder of Pop/RC, TBH.

Made no sense wasting resources and a roster spot on a one-dimensional, atrocious defensive player (who is undersized) when a possible contributor/developmental player (ala Danuel House) was available for cheap.

I understand Pop is trying to squeeze every drop out of the end of his career, but finding young, versatile, developmental talent should still be a huge, huge priority.

Off-topic, but the only developmental guy they've built up recently is Bryn Forbes (another one-dimensional, atrocious defender that is a Patty Mills/Seth Curry clone)...

[HarlemHeat37]

One of the worst rotation players in the history of this team..he has a few nice stretches during the RS and somehow has an avid following here:lol

You can't win anything with Belinelli in your rotation, as Philly learned against Boston last season(and didn't want him back) and obviously as the Spurs saw in 2014..he's so bad, it hurts..

He's getting exploited by Malik Beasley and Craig, it's not like he's going against star players..Jesus..he better do SOMETHING positive in game 5, ANYTHING..

[FkLA]

Good regular season minutes eater. Unplayable in the playoffs.

[DPG21920]

One of the worst rotation players in the history of this team..he has a few nice stretches during the RS and somehow has an avid following here:lol

You can't win anything with Belinelli in your rotation, as Philly learned against Boston last season(and didn't want him back) and obviously as the Spurs saw in 2014..he's so bad, it hurts..

He's getting exploited by Malik Beasley and Craig, it's not like he's going against star players..Jesus..he better do SOMETHING positive in game 5, ANYTHING..

Pop has to bench him. He should not see another minute this series.

[timtonymanu]

Lonnie already looked so much better and you can't say it was garbage time since the Nuggets starters were still in.

Hopefully Beli gets traded in the offseason, he's just in Lonnie's way next year.

[objective]

It's been obvious to anyone with a clue that Marco was a trash signing

I love Pop, but he should retire if he's making the same dumb decisions that he himself sluggishly corrected 5 years ago. He figured out, almost too late, that Marco couldn't play against the Mavs in 2014. But somehow he and RC were so out of it or shook that they played themselves.

5 years is a long long time for someone that age.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's been obvious to anyone with a clue that Marco was a trash signing

I love Pop, but he should retire if he's making the same dumb decisions that he himself sluggishly corrected 5 years ago. He figured out, almost too late, that Marco couldn't play against the Mavs in 2014. But somehow he and RC were so out of it or shook that they played themselves.

5 years is a long long time for someone that age.

The audacity of anybody to bump this thread during the RS:lol

Belinelli belongs on teams like the Hornets or Pistons..

[Capt Bringdown]

If Pop knew how to stagger his starters, Marco would be OK. He can't hit the kick-out 3 playing with the all-bench turd crew.

[objective]

If Pop knew how to stagger his starters, Marco would be OK. He can't hit the kick-out 3 playing with the all-bench turd crew.

Doesn't solve his defense

[HarlemHeat37]

Doesn't solve his defense

Or his basketball IQ..

People generally avoid questioning the basketball IQ of non-Black players, but Belinelli's is near the bottom of the league..

[KimmyGib]

I've been unpleasantly surprised at how much playing time Belinelli has been getting so far in this series. I thought for sure Pop learned from the last go-around that while Marco is a decent enough guy to have in the regular season, he is unplayable in the playoffs. Just absolutely abysmal. Like Patty minus the energy and effort.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't know how it would happen, but please, don't let him put on a Spurs jersey ever again..

[HarlemHeat37]

How can such a bad player be given so many opportunities and such a long leash?

[objective]

Could Lonnie Walker IV have been any worse than Marco?

[cjw]

That lazy foul on that and one ended up making a bit of a difference

[Floyd Pacquiao]

How can such a bad player be given so many opportunities and such a long leash?

Cause pop is a stubborn man... his worst trait.

[KimmyGib]

3 missed shots, an assist, and a weak foul to give up an easy and-1. That covers Belinelli's 16 minutes tonight. And not even his worst game of the series.

[DavidTheGoliath]

Shouldve signed Joe Harris instead tbh

[objective]

RC and Pop actually wanted him back and paid him

He's even paid for next year

I wonder if they were surprised at how awful he was .... Or maybe they think he was really good and blame White

[monty4329]

In fairness, the guy has a bad hip. He had several excellent games in the regular season.

It won't be difficult to trade him this summer, I guess Lakers, Suns, Indiana, even Philly would take him in a heartbeat, his salary is chump change.

[ceperez]

Shouldve signed Joe Harris instead tbh

In hindsight, yes.

Same as drafting Nokic over Anderson.

[ceperez]

Marco's value is in how he moves without the ball.

The problem with this team is that DeRozan and Aldridge don't know how to pass the ball to a moving man!

[monty4329]

Marco's value is in how he moves without the ball.

The problem with this team is that DeRozan and Aldridge don't know how to pass the ball to a moving man!

very true

[John B]

Who is he talking the minutes from? Not White, Lonnie or Forbes. It’s a toss between Mills and Beli for me. Both are defensive liabilities.

[ceperez]

Who is he talking the minutes from? Not White, Lonnie or Forbes. It’s a toss between Mills and Beli for me. Both are defensive liabilities.

How many shots did Belinelli attempt in game 7? Only 3 attempts!!! That's because DeRozan and LMA were hogging all the shots and not making any!

What Derozan and LMA don't get is that the Spurs don't win if they don't look to support other players. The floor only opens up if the role players are actually attempting shots.

[John B]

How many shots did Belinelli attempt in game 7? Only 3 attempts!!! That's because DeRozan and LMA were hogging all the shots and not making any!

What Derozan and LMA don't get is that the Spurs don't win if they don't look to support other players. The floor only opens up if the role players are actually attempting shots.
Beli has the best moving-without-the ball. The problem is his defense, and Pop insisting on playing him with Mills or Forbes/Bertans. Nope. We already have enough shooters in Forbes, Bertans. White can also play 2, likewise Lonnie. I’d really rather play Bertans with his length and deep range over Beli.

[slick'81]

He really is useless come playoff time

[timtonymanu]

:lol Walker was never gonna play big minutes.

Forbes is gone, Manu is likely retiring, and TP is probably gone too.

Spurs get some much needed shooting (whether Kawhi is back or not) on a not so terrible contract. I'm fine with this tbh.

Still true in 2020, only that Forbes is still here.

Hated bringing Beli back then, hate him even more now.

[timtonymanu]

Holy shit this is disgusting. I'm fucking appalled at how many of you idiots love this signing too.

Mugen and NASpurs were slurping the big balls gif juice back then but you always knew better. :lol

[timvp]

Mugen was a fan of the Belinelli signing and marveled at Forbes' redemption arc?

mindblown.gif

[Mugen]

Mugen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519) was a fan of the Belinelli signing and marveled at Forbes' redemption arc?

mindblown.gif

:lol Rent-Free, Sniffs. Rent Free.

You shield the old man, all you want. But this is EdgelordTalk now, Tim.

[timvp]

:lol Rent-Free, Sniffs. Rent Free.

You shield the old man, all you want. But this is EdgelordTalk now, Tim.

You liked the Belinelli signing? :lol

[Mugen]

I was told I would be getting shooting but that Italian fuck can't even do that crofl

[timvp]

I was told I would be getting shooting but that Italian fuck can't even do that crofl

Wow.

[objective]

Marco almost got the Spurs eliminated against Dallas in 2014 by himself. It wasn't until he was benched that they won it.

He is atrocious. If he's not a Kawhi whisperer this deal is on par with Mills

The market was in the Spurs favor, they just had to wait.

The youth was in their favor, they just had to wait

If this is the kind of deal they think is good. I'm scared of what they take back for Kawhi

There was a reason they didn't re-sign him last time!!!

[timvp]

objective with the goods. Mugen? No comment, tbh.

[Mugen]

Rent-Free, Timmy. Rent-free

What does that say about your lord and savior that guys like Beli and Forbes are still getting heavy minutes when they're fucking garbage?

Keep at it all you want, I'll take the gambling $ and the Edgelords running shop around here.:toast

Now chop, chop, you got a lot of work ahead of you drumming up excuses for Jerry Sloanovich :lol

[DAF86]

I tried to trick myself into thinking 12 mils for 2 years isn't that bad, but then it struck me that this will probably cost us Bertans and/or Anderson. Add that to the fact that this probably means Walker and/or White will get no playing time, and this is a very bad signing.

Spurs should just give me a Front Office job, tbh.

[james evans]

as bad as belinelli is playing, I can see one of those legacy contracts this off season. An extension like 3 years $30 million

[timvp]

Rent-Free, Timmy. Rent-free

I didn't do any of the digging. I'm just here to look at the carnage.

Blame, timtonymanu, tbh :lol

[Slippy]

Was always under the impression he would be playing spot mins as a designated shooter. Pop see more haha

[timtonymanu]

I didn't do any of the digging. I'm just here to look at the carnage.

Blame, timtonymanu, tbh :lol

I bumped this thread just to see how many were excited at the time to bring him back. Little did I know, the edgelord chairman of the board was one of them when I bumped this. :lol

[timvp]

I bumped this thread just to see how many were excited at the time to bring him back. Little did I know, the edgelord chairman of the board was one of them when I bumped this. :lol

Whoops.

https://i.imgur.com/tfZIMzC.jpg

:lol

[objective]

Spurs should just give me a Front Office job, tbh.

You have to intern for a terrible team first, then move onto another bad team and draft guys like Henry Ellenson. Then and only then can you join and gift-trade the best players away to your old intern roomie.

[Mugen]

I'm happy to keep the board relevant during these dark times tbh. :lol

[objective]

Let's also add that for the FOUR years before this season he only shot 35.5% from three. Just overrated as a shooter. Marco's last 4 seasons were even very slightly worse than Gary Neal's final 4 seasons in the NBA.

He played 11 seasons before this one and only managed at least 40% twice.

With his bad defense, poor shot selection, and overrated shooting he's just bad news and should lose his spot to Walker as soon as he's healthy. We know of course that it won't happen. But I have no doubt Walker can just as easily shoot 32% from 3 but add better defense and an element of athleticism in transition.

:lol

Marco is bad

[spurraider21]

marco for 2/12 isn't awful in a vacuum. its just awful to have patty+forbes+marco all on the same roster.
i'll stand by that

[SAGirl]

Did not want.

[DPG21920]

This is my literal nightmare. Lose Kawhi and bring back zero upside aging poor defensive only value is if they happen to get hot shooting type players.

Lot of smart posters on ST tbh..

[Raven]

I was right.

[KimmyGib]

If it weren't for Belinelli, I still believe the Spurs would've won the Denver series. It was crazy then, game after game, despite his hopelessly bad play, Pop continued to trot him out with big minutes, and he continued to hurt the team with every single appearance. After that, I thought FOR SURE we'd seen the last of Belinelli having a significant role in the rotation. And yet here we are. He's worse than ever and still averaging nearly 20 mpg at the detriment to more promising players and the team as a whole.

[raybies]

Mugen the edge lord master looking like RC in his avatar right now :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

I've never disliked a Spur more than this man. I'll never understand how he had a cult following here prior to this season:lol. Also won't ever understand how you can add him to a roster that already had Mills and Forbes.

[timtonymanu]

I've never disliked a Spur more than this man. I'll never understand how he had a cult following here prior to this season:lol. Also won't ever understand how you can add him to a roster that already had Mills and Forbes.

Exactly how I feel. I wasn’t even a fan of him in 2014-2015 and hated that he was brought back in 2018 as much as I hated the Derozan trade.

[FkLA]

Fucking disgusting ass shit. Slow, unathletic motherfucker that can't stay in front of anybody. Get fucking length and players that can defend. WTF is so hard about that, RC?

:pctoss


Holy shit this is disgusting. I'm fucking appalled at how many of you idiots love this signing too.


Who gives a fuck if he can shoot? Forbes can shoot too. So can Davis.

What's the point of trading one player who's only skill is shooting and who can't defend worth a shit for another player that's more expensive?

[FkLA]

Exactly. Everyone loves to point to that one big shot he made against Miami but people forget he hardly got any minutes during those playoffs after the DAL series because he was so damn unplayable. This is fucking gross, man.


RC just ruined my night with this. It's been like 15 mins and I'm still as disgusted with it as I was when I first saw the report.

Length, athleticism, not an atrocious defender...is that too much to ask for?


Pretty much anybody that isn't an atrocious defender. I would no joke rather have 45 year old Vince Carter than this Italian traffic cone. If money dries up, maybe Hood can be had for the full MLE. Mbah a Moute.

Gay is fine. I like the signing last year and glad he came back.

[UZER]

I’ll admit I was ok with the signing because Belli had balls that others on the team that others just didn’t have. But I didn’t expect him to be such a major part of the rotation. Like Bryn, and Mills, it’s not their fault Pop plays them as many minutes as he does. They are who they are. Pop has just lost it when it comes to putting the best team on the floor. It’s all about pets right now.

[FkLA]

Who gives a fuck if he can shoot? Forbes can shoot too. So can Davis.

What's the point of trading one player who's only skill is shooting and who can't defend worth a shit for another player that's more expensive?


Jesus christ.


I'm going to throw up if Rodney Hood doesn't get more than the MLE.


Gerald Green: 1 yr/2 million

That's a great bench value signing. This is crap since it eats into the MLE.


I mean why not just use the full MLE to make a run at someone notable? Bring back Forbes for a fraction of the price if you want a "shooter" that will get lit up on the other end. This accomplishes absolutely nothing.


I'm not really getting how Belli is a clear upgrade over Forbes, much less a massive one.

I'm trying to find a silver lining for this signing and I got nothing. Still disgusted.

[slick'81]

Yea i didnt necessarily hate the signing it was the price,timing and now over playing belli over our 18th pick

[FkLA]

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/snoop.png


Smh. Still disgusted by this, tbh.


But you will with big balls Bellinelli aka Ferrari aka Bellichamp!


Glenn Robinson III
Gerald Green
Luc Mbah Moute
Vince Carter


So far the first two have been signed for cheaper. I'm sure the last two will as well.

Or better yet use the full MLE to make a run at guys like Rodney Hood or Tyreke Evans instead of wasting part of it on this Italian traffic cone.


There was no debate.

When it was time to buckle down and win the tough games Bellinelli barely saw any minutes:


Game 5 vs OKC - 14 minutes
Game 6 at OKC - 6 minutes

Game 3 at MIA - 6 minutes
Game 4 at MIA - 4 minutes
Game 5 vs MIA - 8 minutes


Just lol at him being some type of proven, hardened champion that delivers when it matters. He's as much of a champion as Baynes and Ayers are. :lol


Why is it that practically every Spurfan hated Neal but loves Belli?

They're the same type of player, and it can be argued that Neal was a better shooter/scorer and that his '13 playoffs were more impressive than Belli's '14 playoffs.

[FkLA]

:lol the Ferrari!!!!! wtf


Shooting was straight garbage last season and Beli is a proven shooter.


:lol Walker was never gonna play big minutes.

Forbes is gone, Manu is likely retiring, and TP is probably gone too.

Spurs get some much needed shooting (whether Kawhi is back or not) on a not so terrible contract. I'm fine with this tbh.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlvtIPzPdt2usKs/200.gif

[timvp]

Spurs get some much needed shooting (whether Kawhi is back or not) on a not so terrible contract. I'm fine with this tbh.


Whoops.

https://i.imgur.com/tfZIMzC.jpg

:lol Forgot how funny that was, tbh.

[objective]

This sucks

His defense is still atrocious and they likely won't have the money for a Milutinov

And he can stunt the development of Walker and White

RC still screwing up the first hour of free agency


He is a terrible defender, can't play SF, and ruins the young athletes at that position they had coming up

This is real bad


Let's also add that for the FOUR years before this season he only shot 35.5% from three. Just overrated as a shooter. Marco's last 4 seasons were even very slightly worse than Gary Neal's final 4 seasons in the NBA.

He played 11 seasons before this one and only managed at least 40% twice.

With his bad defense, poor shot selection, and overrated shooting he's just bad news and should lose his spot to Walker as soon as he's healthy. We know of course that it won't happen. But I have no doubt Walker can just as easily shoot 32% from 3 but add better defense and an element of athleticism in transition.

:rollin

[RC_Drunkford]

spurstalk armchair GMs > PATFO

by miles tbh

[NASpurs]

Remember when there were grumblings that nephew wasn't happy with the signings the Spurs were doing? Can't blame him and unc for bailing. Probably add Pop's senility to that as well.

Although the real harbinger to all of this was signing that loser LMA.

[Mugen]

My man Beli was a fine signing since he was supposed to play a complimentary role until the young guys were ready.

Unfortunately, the senile fuck at the wheel decided to feature two shooters who cant shoot over Lonnie/White this season :lmao

[timvp]

My man Beli was a fine signing

:lmao This guy is doubling down.

objective, FkLA, timtonymanu, do you guys agree that Belinelli was a fine signing?

[DPG21920]

Spurs fans been ahead of the FO for a few years now tbh. Really is a smart fan base overall.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Spurs fans been ahead of the FO for a few years now tbh. Really is a smart fan base overall.

I've said it once and I'll say it again spurstalk would've never traded for derozan and resigned Mills/Gasol/Belinelli/Forbes.

[jjktkk]

Really is a smart fan base overall.It's quite nice of you to be over generous in your comments during the holiday season.:lol

[sasaint]

Remember when there were grumblings that nephew wasn't happy with the signings the Spurs were doing? Can't blame him and unc for bailing. Probably add Pop's senility to that as well.

Although the real harbinger to all of this was signing that loser LMA.

:tu Absolutely. Been saying that for quite a while now. That was the first crack in the once proud Spurs organization that is rapidly crumbling into a pile of rubble. Pop doubled down by trading for the other prima dona pseudo-star, Dumbmar. Now standing pat through the trade deadline would be the last straw for me. I will probably go on Spurs sabbatical until PATFO is gone.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I've said it once and I'll say it again spurstalk would've never traded for derozan and resigned Mills/Gasol/Belinelli/Forbes.


There were a lot of people here who were upset when PATFO let Beli "get away" the first time. Every time he had a good game they were on the bandwagon. And they were happy when he got brought back. The difference is, even most of them have figured it out quicker than Pop.

I want the POS gone. I would say put Keldon on a full contract, but he's probably better off staying a full year in Austin. So waive Beli and sign a G-League player to a min contract. Whatever. I'm sick of watching the bastard.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

There were a lot of people here who were upset when PATFO let Beli "get away" the first time. Every time he had a good game they were on the bandwagon. And they were happy when he got brought back. The difference is, even most of them have figured it out quicker than Pop.

I want the POS gone. I would say put Keldon on a full contract, but he's probably better off staying a full year in Austin. So waive Beli and sign a G-League player to a min contract. Whatever. I'm sick of watching the bastard.

Every time he checks in I get physically ill. last night was the first time I literally stoped watching a spurs game out of just pure disgust.

[RC_Drunkford]

There were a lot of people here who were upset when PATFO let Beli "get away" the first time. Every time he had a good game they were on the bandwagon. And they were happy when he got brought back. The difference is, even most of them have figured it out quicker than Pop.

I want the POS gone. I would say put Keldon on a full contract, but he's probably better off staying a full year in Austin. So waive Beli and sign a G-League player to a min contract. Whatever. I'm sick of watching the bastard.

gotta get rid of Pop, he's a far bigger problem than Beli


Spurs fans been ahead of the FO for a few years now tbh. Really is a smart fan base overall.

this

[objective]

:lmao This guy is doubling down.

objective, FkLA, timtonymanu, do you guys agree that Belinelli was a fine signing?

Of course not, it was a terrible signing. If it had only been for the BAE it could have been tolerable because those tend to be throw-away deals barely better than a minimum. Then the MLE could have been spent on a useful player, like Milutinov.

At least Mugen can recognize that he shouldn't play anymore.

Since you were on a 5 year sabbatical, I never saw your opinions on the deal. You still defend the Mills deal iirc so I would guess you liked the Marco deal at the time.

[Mugen]

Of course not, it was a terrible signing. If it had only been for the BAE it could have been tolerable because those tend to be throw-away deals barely better than a minimum. Then the MLE could have been spent on a useful player, like Milutinov.

At least Mugen can recognize that he shouldn't play anymore.

Since you were on a 5 year sabbatical, I never saw your opinions on the deal. You still defend the Mills deal iirc so I would guess you liked the Marco deal at the time.

:lol

[Mugen]

:lmao This guy is doubling down.

objective (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=4663), FkLA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17213), timtonymanu (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13654), do you guys agree that Belinelli was a fine signing?

:lol Any other coach would have benched Beli by now but he's still out there firing away thanks to your boy.

I never imagined that Nephew and Dennis would fuck up the old man this bad that Beli would still be heavily featured in the offense so I'll definitely cop to that :lmao

[DPG21920]

It's quite nice of you to be over generous in your comments during the holiday season.:lol

:lol Look back at the bigger items from the past few years (DeRozan deal, Mills, Beli, etc..) and SA fans were mostly pretty spot on big picture with what those moves meant and the issues that could arise due to the moves.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

The FO is so risk averse, it is embarrassing. But they never seem to consider the risk of playing it so safe that they are destroying the team. Sadly, this team hasn’t hit rock bottom yet. It’s coming.

[timvp]

:lmao This guy is doubling down.

objective, FkLA, timtonymanu, do you guys agree that Belinelli was a fine signing?

Of course not, it was a terrible signing.

Thanks for the confirmation :tu

[tbdog]

Never had issues with the signing and still dont. He was signed to play alongside Leonard in bursts and not with DD. And Pop is playing him for too many minutes.

[TimDunkem]

^Nah. Seemed pretty obvious from the beginning that Pop would overplay him.

If the Spurs sign you twice, Pop likes you.

If Pop likes you, he will overplay you.

What happened next?...Yeah.

[Leetonidas]

Welp for sure Lonnie walker aint getting any PT.

Prophetic

[FkLA]

It made zero fucking sense with Wombat already on the roster, them having Forbes in their long term plans, letting Fathead go, dangling Green in trade talks for years (and ultimately giving him away), and their plans to stagger White/IB's minutes.

Who the fuck told them a bunch of 3 and no D guys were going to lead this team somewhere other than rock bottom?

[JeffDuncan]

...

Who the fuck told them a bunch of 3 and no D guys were going to lead this team somewhere other than rock bottom?

We know now it wasn't analytics.

[apalisoc_9]

I said it before.This was a dumb move.

[FkLA]

There were a lot of people here who were upset when PATFO let Beli "get away" the first time. Every time he had a good game they were on the bandwagon. And they were happy when he got brought back. The difference is, even most of them have figured it out quicker than Pop.

I want the POS gone. I would say put Keldon on a full contract, but he's probably better off staying a full year in Austin. So waive Beli and sign a G-League player to a min contract. Whatever. I'm sick of watching the bastard.


Every time he checks in I get physically ill. last night was the first time I literally stoped watching a spurs game out of just pure disgust.

Watching him play is taking time off my life. This motherfucker is legitimately bad for my health.

[FkLA]

We know now it wasn't analytics.

:pop: Analytics? My Patty made a gazillion shots and gave gazillion percent effort out there and some stinkin' metric said he hurt the team. Pshhh.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I just saw an article about Brogdon going to play for the Pacers. They quoted this from him: "I would’ve loved to play for this team, if they had wanted me," Brogdon told reporters before the Pacers' eventual 117-89 loss. "If they had valued me the way the Pacers value me. That’s all I gotta say."


I'm thinking we hear the same sort of thing from Lonnie. But not even over money. Over not getting on the damn court, while Beli closes games.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Prophetic

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e93d7bb16d9f8c9f2aadbd4dc9896f7a/tenor.gif?itemid=4527128

I just knew from years of pop favoring his scrubs over young talented players that Lonnie was gonna see no time. :pop: "corporate knowledge">> youth, athleticism, defense, ceilingless talent

[MaNu4Tres]

Pop is great at Xs and O's.

Great at people skills. Great motivator.

But he has a bad eye for talent. And has a bad grasp on lineups/rotations ( has for years).

Overrated front office overall. Then again Pop makes the final call with every move, so that speaks volumes.

I love Pop as a person, and respect him but he is not a top coach in the NBA when it comes to evaluating talent and optimizing lineups/rotations.

[tbdog]

It made zero fucking sense with Wombat already on the roster, them having Forbes in their long term plans, letting Fathead go, dangling Green in trade talks for years (and ultimately giving him away), and their plans to stagger White/IB's minutes.

Who the fuck told them a bunch of 3 and no D guys were going to lead this team somewhere other than rock bottom?

I wrote a long post about the that off season. Spurs needed shooters and still had Leonard. They chose Bertans and Beli. They needed shooters and they were the cheapest option to go for. It made sense. Then they traded two defenders for DD. Balance now was fucked.

[objective]

When will people learn that Marco is a fake sharpshooter?

He just is and has been overrated. If anyone thought they were getting a sharpshooter as justification for his deal, they thought wrong. Forget about his terrible, team killing defense for a second. And forget his offense breaking contested bricks with 18 seconds on the shot clock.

He's just not a great shooter. He shouldn't be considered a great shooter. Good shooter? Okay. Above average shooter? Sure. But great? It's all bogus reputation. Maybe it's because he's a white foreigner, maybe because he scored 40+ in his first summer league game, whatever the reason, he's not a sharpshooter. He's not Korver, he's not Redick, he's not Bertans, etc etc etc. He's not even as good as McDermott.

He's had 2 great shooting seasons in a long ass career, the last one in 13-14 for the Spurs and maybe people are having that cloud their minds (they also forget his terrible defense resulting in him getting benched in the playoffs in what might have been Pop's last soundly coached year).

Since then, he's only finished in the top 50 in % among qualified players once. 14/15 34th. 15/16 101st. 16/17 75th. 17/18 65th. 18/19 51sst.

Not even including tonight's game (0-4), he's 92nd of qualified players this season. Probably falls out of the top 100 after tonight.

And it's not just a slump. He has a lower career 3pt% than Roger Mason.

He has two + .400% 3pt shooting seasons in 13 seasons. That's the same as Norman Powell or TJ Warren in half the time. Less than Tony Snell for instance.

He's not even in the top 50 of all active qualified players in career 3pt%.

Matisse Thybulle is qualified and 5th in the NBA at 46.3% (67 attempts in 30 games). And he's a guy who people have sworn couldn't shoot! And he plays possession winning defense!

No doubt in my mind that Lonnie can do better. And that's ignoring all the other things Lonnie brings.

[HarlemHeat37]

The most annoying Spur of this decade, easily.