SAS: Kawhi Willing to Sit Out Next Season if He’s Not Traded

[BatManu20]

SAS reporting that he HEARD from people around the league that Kawhi is willing to sit out this season if not traded. Either way, fuck this clown.


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[Russ]

I think that would be without pay . . .

[dbreiden83080]

Great they save 19 million..

[K...]

First it's bs that sas means Stephen ass bleeding Smith, second I don't think this is anything more than speculation, and he's definitely have to answer to the press if he did

[JPB]

Group in desperate mode

[loveforthegame]

Hilarious posters are taking SAS as gospel here now.

[NASpurs]

Hopefully he'll enjoy his time in Shandong next year.

[FkLA]

Is there some protection for teams against crap like this? Like we can suspend him without pay for the year, and get his $19 mill in cap space or something?

[ducks]

Not true fake news

[BatManu20]

Hilarious posters are taking SAS as gospel here now.

What, over the past few months from Kawhi’s camp, have you seen that would make you think that this is so unbelievable? Kawhi and his uncle are fucking idiots and would 100% pull this.

They’re obviously saying this because they desperately want a trade, but if Kawai was still on this roster come preseason, I definitely believe he would threaten to sit.

[ElNono]

Uncle Dennis seeing them dollars run away from his wallet, doubling down on stupid...

[baseline bum]

Didn't SAS say some executives were saying that?

[Budkin]

I would LOVE to see this happen. Would be simply incredible.

[FireMicoHalili]

Smith also reports that Leonard could even sit out the 18-19 season if he's not traded to the Lakers. Smith clarified that he's heard this from other executives and not directly from Leonard on that report.

[dbreiden83080]

Didn't SAS say some executives were saying that?

What executives would talk to Screaming A Smith?

[midnightpulp]

What a huge bitch. You're under contract, faggot. I'm sure a lot of lurkers (now Lakers fans) think we're upset because Kawhi wants to leave. No, dipshits. When a player wants to leave, the typical action is play out your contract (that you fuckin' agreed to and signed) honorably, and then leave for whatever bullshit city you want. Not turn matters into a sideshow. Today's NBA, right lefty

[r0drig0lac]

I would LOVE to see this happen. Would be simply incredible.

[baseline bum]

Leonard sitting out the season and the Spurs not having to pay him would be much better than taking the Lakers crap.

[Down Under]

He literally said 2 days ago, Kawhi would have concerns playing with LeBron in LA regarding the paparazzi :lol

[JPB]

Like if it was even possible to sit out a season :lol

[Russ]

If Kawhi sat out next year, wouldn't he be under contract with the Spurs for an additional year?

[baseline bum]

Like if it was even possible to sit out a season :lol

He can retire to get out of the contract. But he can't play for a year after doing so.

[DAF86]

Fake news. As big a bitch as Kawhi is, it makes no sense whatsoever for him to sit wo straight years of his prime. He would only be harming himself.

[ElNono]

Even in the event he fakes another injury, the Spurs would be getting insurance money back...

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Kawhi's group just doesn't know how to play poker.

[Barfunk]

Wow, fuck this guy.

[Mr. Body]

Tampering like fuck.

[JPB]

He can retire to get out of the contract. But he can't play for a year after doing so.

I know. That's the point.

Sit out the season and you lose 2 years + 1 = 3 years of his prime...

[vander]

I would LOVE to see this happen. Would be simply incredible.

I wouldn't LOVE it, but it would be pretty incredible, and definitely better than trading him to LA or any contending team.

[SPURt]

Let him rot then. I’ve never seen an athlete be this messed up.

[JPB]

I wouldn't LOVE it, but it would be pretty incredible, and definitely better than trading him to LA or any contending team.

Not gonna happen of course, but yeah in a vacuum best scenario for the spurs, which makes this bluff (true or not) fucking stupid.

[Johnsyounger]

if this is true his options are:
1) retire and sit out another year
2) be in breach of contract, not paid, and possibly sued
For him to be in breach it must be proven he is not hurt LOLOLOLOL

[johnnymoore]

I think that would be without pay . . .

Not if he claims he's still injured. Teams cannot force injured players to play - and it is the PLAYER (not the team doctor) - who determines when he's ready to play. Shaq threatened to do the same thing to the Lakers when he forced the trade to Miami.

Time for Pop to cut his losses and retool while there is still a market.

[phxspurfan]

Is there some protection for teams against crap like this? Like we can suspend him without pay for the year, and get his $19 mill in cap space or something?

I'm sure if he voluntarily sits out thats breach of contract and they dont have to pay his salary. Otherwise wtf CBA

[objective]

Good, he can sit out.

He'll go stir crazy, start enjoying that LA lifestyle, and begin doing bad things to cover up the bad nephew emotions that will boil inside.

He's at risk to turn into KaVin Baker or Kempwhi Leonard.

[Barfunk]

Please sue this piece of fucking shit

[Russ]

Not if he claims he's still injured. Teams cannot force injured players to play - and it is the PLAYER (not the team doctor) - who determines when he's ready to play. Shaq threatened to do the same thing to the Lakers when he forced the trade to Miami.

Time for Pop to cut his losses and retool while there is still a market.

I think the Spurs could get an independent medical examination at that point and let the chips fall . . .

[TheGreatYacht]

I saw it live. You lot are a bunch of idiots. He said that's what NBA executives believe, NOT Kawhi or his camp.

Delete this nephew.

[tmtcsc]

Imagine figuring out what Uncle Dennis was up to - around January or February - & try to blame Pop, Manu or TP for venting their frustration. What most of us are feeling now was being felt months ago by PATFO & maybe some of his teammates. This is some bullshit.

[cd98]

Spurs need to sue Kawhi for breach of contract for faking an injury and not playing last year. Recoup that money.

[JPB]

Not if he claims he's still injured. Teams cannot force injured players to play - and it is the PLAYER (not the team doctor) - who determines when he's ready to play. Shaq threatened to do the same thing to the Lakers when he forced the trade to Miami.

Time for Pop to cut his losses and retool while there is still a market.

If you put aside that claiming you want to sit out is not the best way to pretend you're injured...

It's not as simple, would be too easy. Sport contracts are following the same rules as any contract with duties and obligations.

Both employers and employees can refer to competent bodies in case of conflict.

[cd98]

Spurs could also start fining Kawhi. I’m sure the league would hate this too.

[objective]

Imagine figuring out what Uncle Dennis was up to - around January or February - & try to blame Pop, Manu or TP for venting their frustration. What most of us are feeling now was being felt months ago by PATFO & maybe some of his teammates. This is some bullshit.

When you think about it in those terms, Pop and Parker deserve awards for not losing their shit and blasting that nephew more.

They should have suspended him for conduct detrimental when he was cleared by docs the last time, not let him prance to New York to get his Broadway Nephew on.

[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

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[kobyz]

Spurs still need to try suck Lakers all their assets they spurs want and not less, they have leverage of lakers not wanting kawhi coming to them next year mad about them after sitting another year because Lakers not willing to add to the deal an Ingram or a kuz... So spurs could get almost as much as they like, so if spurs play hard ball Lakers would fold

[cd98]

Not if he claims he's still injured. Teams cannot force injured players to play - and it is the PLAYER (not the team doctor) - who determines when he's ready to play. Shaq threatened to do the same thing to the Lakers when he forced the trade to Miami.

Time for Pop to cut his losses and retool while there is still a market.

Yeah, we’ll sue him and let an SA jury decide if he is injured.

[cjw]

Sign Zaza out of retirement and end his career for real once he signs with the Lakers

But in all seriousness, this could set major precedent and players may actually side with the Spurs across the league as what he’s pulling could be breach of contract to fraud. League coming down hard on him would be great.

We know they never will though. But what if it gets brought to court?

[Budkin]

Not if he claims he's still injured. Teams cannot force injured players to play - and it is the PLAYER (not the team doctor) - who determines when he's ready to play. Shaq threatened to do the same thing to the Lakers when he forced the trade to Miami.

Time for Pop to cut his losses and retool while there is still a market.

Too bad they already came out and said he was 100%

[raybies]

Play hardball PATFO. The child is flexing and you need to show him who daddy is

[baseline bum]

I know. That's the point.

Sit out the season and you lose 2 years + 1 = 3 years of his prime...

It would only be two years. He'd be fine to return for 2019-20 if he sat out 2018-19. Jason Williams did that shit to get out of a contract he signed with the Clippers.

[TheGreatYacht]

Play hardball PATFO. The child is flexing and you need to show him who daddy is
Nobody is flexing you dipshit.

Stick to "3rd in the Wethhh bitchethhh" takes

[SAGirl]

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Robert Williams already in risk of fines then?

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[objective]

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Public appearances and those dumb 10 public service events still need to be enforced.

Instead of visiting elementary kids which is the usual easy way these guys do it, put him on the highway collecting garbage in some San Antonio beautification project. Or he can pick all the condoms out of the sludge when they drain the river.

Nephew better show up or get fined.

[rasuo214]

SAS has no real sources.

[Spurs9]

I saw it live. You lot are a bunch of idiots. He said that's what NBA executives believe, NOT Kawhi or his camp.

Delete this nephew.

[JPB]

It would only be two years. He'd be fine to return for 2019-20 if he sat out 2018-19. Jason Williams did that shit to get out of a contract he signed with the Clippers.

No, precisely not.
If he'd sit out this year, he could only return in 2020-2021.

[tholdren]

Imagine figuring out what Uncle Dennis was up to - around January or February - & try to blame Pop, Manu or TP for venting their frustration. What most of us are feeling now was being felt months ago by PATFO & maybe some of his teammates. This is some bullshit.

You mean when i posted this in dec...? Yep imagine that. You had to be a total moron to believe kl was injured this year after sa cleared him. Pop is the most conservative coach in history and could care less about reg season wins. Amazing how blind fans become.

[raybies]

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[baseline bum]

No, precisely not.
If he'd sit out this year, he could only return in 2020-2021.

It's one year, not two

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willija02.html

[JPB]

You mean when i posted this in dec...? Yep imagine that. You had to be a total moron to believe kl was injured this year after sa cleared him. Pop is the most conservative coach in history and could care less about reg season wins. Amazing how blind fans become.

That's what got me too.

As soon as you saw Pop and Manu stick their nose in the media, you knew there were something really wrong.

[JPB]

It's one year, not two

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willija02.html

You can't play for one year after sitting out = two years lost.

What would be the point and the penalty, otherwise ? Players would just sit one year and sign wherever they want.

[PublicOption]

....and isnt he 100% healthy....this guy is a fucking waste of space...fuck this asshat

[Harry Callahan]

Kawhit has said not a word in months. I take all this speculation with a grain of salt. If he choses to sit out until traded, see ya in 2019-2020 with a year still on the contract. IOW, total BS.

I would let "the group" know these four words - "see you in September"

[Dverde]

His group will find some doctor to say he is injured. His “brand” will be in a nose dive.

[baseline bum]

You can't play for one year after sitting out = two years lost.

What would be the point and the penalty, otherwise ? Players would just sit one year and sign wherever they want.

Believe what you want.

[boutons_deux]

Spurs need to sue Kawhi for breach of contract for faking an injury and not playing last year. Recoup that money.

If he does refuse to play 18/19, then that casts a totally different light on the his 17/18, adding to the case that he's been fakin the injury.

[acoelho1]

He’s not going to sit. I don’t why people listen to SAS. Unless the 76ers step up, keep him on the team 1 more year and try to make it work. If he walks, he walks.

[cjw]

If he does refuse to play 18/19, then that casts a totally different light on the his 17/18, adding to the case that he's been fakin the injury.

Exactly what I’ve been saying. Spurs could go DEFCON 1 and sue the shit out of him for fraud. It would be a really bad look and possibly scare off FAs from coming in the future. But it’s the principled thing to do.

[JPB]

Believe what you want.

You know what ? I think you're right...

But I'm french so no comprendo inglesa muy bien, ah si ?

[wildbill2u]

Now that LeBron has definitely committed to LA, we have the biggest three way poker game ever with SA, LA, and Kwahi at the table. Expect to see some bluffing from everyone before a trade comes down, maybe including a third team.

[SupremeGuy]

Man, how did we get here? Fuck porker, tbh.

[Russ]

Man, how did we get here? Fuck porker, tbh.

I have a great investment opportunity for you.

[Keepin' it real]

:cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbX7OQ8mQ4w

[superbigtime]

What an asshole.

[Budkin]

:cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbX7OQ8mQ4w

That seems like 100 years ago at this point.

[lmbebo]

Becoming so disillusioned with this league and game. Inmates running the asylum at this point. If you want "super teams", then fucking make it a 4 league team...

Tired of all this crap. Hope fans speak with there voices and wallets and league popularity starts to fall. This shit isn't good for the league irregardless of what happens between spurs and Kawhi (forever a fucking asshole).

[dbreiden83080]

Becoming so disillusioned with this league and game. Inmates running the asylum at this point. If you want "super teams", then fucking make it a 4 league team...

Tired of all this crap. Hope fans speak with there voices and wallets and league popularity starts to fall. This shit isn't good for the league irregardless of what happens between spurs and Kawhi (forever a fucking asshole).

And you know what I am a LeBron James fan, and the reality is he started all of this bullshit with the superteams. Was not getting it done in Cleveland with what he had, saw an opportunity to team up with some friends who were all stars and he took it. Kevin took it to the next level and didn’t care about criticism I think largely because LeBron already paved the way for it to happen. Now this has become the norm. This is what players want to do. It’s not good for the league.

[toki9]

Robert Williams already in risk of fines then?

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So...him slipping on draft day may not have been totally crazy?

[itzsoweezee]

Lol, he can't do that. Enjoy the awkwardness this season, Kawhi.

[Keepin' it real]

And you know what I am a LeBron James fan, and the reality is he started all of this bullshit with the superteams. Was not getting it done in Cleveland with what he had, saw an opportunity to team up with some friends who were all stars and he took it. Kevin took it to the next level and didn’t care about criticism I think largely because LeBron already paved the way for it to happen. Now this has become the norm. This is what players want to do. It’s not good for the league.

It's great for the NBA, its corporate sponsors, TV partners and millennial player fans. It only sucks for the rest of us.

If the owners were to start complaining, then we might have something.

[Harry Callahan]

So...him slipping on draft day may not have been totally crazy?

This guy for the Celtics is a trainwreck.

[Vito Corleone]

Spurs hold the cards still.

Lakers might have Lebron, but he isn't enough and without Leonard, he won't be happy. I say Spurs hold onto Leonard until someone steps up with a legit offer. Getting something in return takes a back seat to taking trash and getting stuck with crap contracts. Leonard's cap space is much more valuable than bad contracts and making him sit out a year would be pure gold.

I'm pretty sure no matter what he gets from the Lakers and endorsements, he will never make up that much money.

When it's all said and done, he is going to lose so much time and money he might not be the same player again.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's great for the NBA, its corporate sponsors, TV partners and millennial player fans. It only sucks for the rest of us.

If the owners were to start complaining, then we might have something.

As long as the tv money and total team revenue keeps getting split the owners wont say anything. Spurs "small town" franchise is worth like 1.5 billion dollars and its not just from selling tickets.

[CosmicCowboy]

And btw they paid 76 million for it in 96.

[Buddy Mignon]

What a huge bitch. You're under contract, faggot. I'm sure a lot of lurkers (now Lakers fans) think we're upset because Kawhi wants to leave. No, dipshits. When a player wants to leave, the typical action is play out your contract (that you fuckin' agreed to and signed) honorably, and then leave for whatever bullshit city you want. Not turn matters into a sideshow. Today's NBA, right lefty (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6896)


Havent you called in sick and expected to get paid, dipshit?

[midnightpulp]

Havent you called in sick and expected to get paid, dipshit?

Nothing was wrong with his ass. Funny to see you slurping Leonard now, though :lol

[BillMc]

Spurs hold the cards still.

Lakers might have Lebron, but he isn't enough and without Leonard, he won't be happy. I say Spurs hold onto Leonard until someone steps up with a legit offer. Getting something in return takes a back seat to taking trash and getting stuck with crap contracts. Leonard's cap space is much more valuable than bad contracts and making him sit out a year would be pure gold.

I'm pretty sure no matter what he gets from the Lakers and endorsements, he will never make up that much money.

When it's all said and done, he is going to lose so much time and money he might not be the same player again.

This

[SupremeGuy]

Spurs hold the cards still.

Lakers might have Lebron, but he isn't enough and without Leonard, he won't be happy. I say Spurs hold onto Leonard until someone steps up with a legit offer. Getting something in return takes a back seat to taking trash and getting stuck with crap contracts. Leonard's cap space is much more valuable than bad contracts and making him sit out a year would be pure gold.

I'm pretty sure no matter what he gets from the Lakers and endorsements, he will never make up that much money.

When it's all said and done, he is going to lose so much time and money he might not be the same player again.Just hoping the PATFO doesn't cuck out and make a lame ass deal, tbh.

[BillMc]

Call his bluff.

And, really, I don't want the LA flotsam. Rather have the cap space when he's gone.

[baseline bum]

Call his bluff.

And, really, I don't want the LA flotsam. Rather have the cap space when he's gone.

No reason to make it easy for that bitch, not when LA has nothing useful to offer in trade.

[Thebesteva]

What a huge bitch. You're under contract, faggot. I'm sure a lot of lurkers (now Lakers fans) think we're upset because Kawhi wants to leave. No, dipshits. When a player wants to leave, the typical action is play out your contract (that you fuckin' agreed to and signed) honorably, and then leave for whatever bullshit city you want. Not turn matters into a sideshow. Today's NBA, right lefty (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6896)

:toast

[PublicOption]

Magic tampered

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

dilemma:

hold onto kawhi for another year (or ship his ass east) ... ensure warriors three peat.
trade kawhi to lakers ... form a 2nd superteam in the west

[Snaq O'Meal]

Public appearances and those dumb 10 public service events still need to be enforced.

Instead of visiting elementary kids which is the usual easy way these guys do it, put him on the highway collecting garbage in some San Antonio beautification project. Or he can pick all the condoms out of the sludge when they drain the river.

Nephew better show up or get fined.

Some say Nephew can’t even wipe his own ass.

So I hope to see Uncle Fester doing the cleaning duties on Nephew’s behalf.

[phxspurfan]

dilemma:

hold onto kawhi for another year (or ship his ass east) ... ensure warriors three peat.
trade kawhi to lakers ... form a 2nd superteam in the west

Hes going to sign with LA anyway next summer. Why not get some draft picks for his carcass

[duncan2k5]

U guys are freaking stupid I swear... I keep warning you about these headlines stating speculation as fact... SAS sources was speculation from league executives... ALL who want Kawhi to leave... So they have an incentive to stoke the flames... This has no grain of fact, yet u all are in here losing ur shit... Grow up and understand what the media does

[DeRozan m8]

U guys are freaking stupid I swear... I keep warning you about these headlines stating speculation as fact... SAS sources was speculation from league executives... ALL who want Kawhi to leave... So they have an incentive to stoke the flames... This has no grain of fact, yet u all are in here losing ur shit... Grow up and understand what the media does

Someone is in denial

[phyzik]

As much as I HATE the Lakers, as an overall basketball fan, I've always wondered what it would be like to see Lebron and Kahwi on the same team.... I just don't think LA has anything to offer the Spurs... ship Kahwi to the East and let it play out a year from now when he goes into free agency... Get the best deal we can get.... But I would like to see what a Lebron/Kahwi duo would look like just as a pure basketball fan at some point. PRIME Lebron with Kahwi would have been amazing to see.

[JPB]

Someone is in denial

Nah, just a typical insecure, media-conspiracy-fake news-big brother-tard trying to convince himself he's not a clueless as he deep down knows he is.

[KaiRMD1]

SAS trying to create fear

[Slippy]

NBA would step in if Kawhi tried to sit. Any player on contracts could do this. Its would be a precedent that the nba doesnt want set. If he that desperate to get out relax your demands. Again, kawhi aint taking a paycut with no security of a contract as an FA . I see the spurs standing firm on this. Wait for kawhis group to unravel

[Spurs da champs]

Aint no way he's gonna sit out another year.

[duncan2150]

Someone have an example of a player sitting a year ?

That’s bullshit

[LakerHater]

would b crazy if he does sit out, spurs sue & courts force Leonard to fulfill his yr commitment

[violentkitten]

Someone have an example of a player sitting a year ?

That’s bullshit

that would be the 2nd year, this time he won't be paid

[violentkitten]

As long as the tv money and total team revenue keeps getting split the owners wont say anything. Spurs "small town" franchise is worth like 1.5 billion dollars and its not just from selling tickets.

pretty much, of course fans can always change the channel or close the app.

[Slippy]

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Im liking Michael c wright the more i read his commentary. Seriously wtf is up with these local sa reporters who seem to have no pulse on the team they cover.

[violentkitten]

owners have no loyalty to players
players have no loyalty to teams
maybe fans have no more loyalty to all of the above?

[Jules_Winnfield]

11.3 Withholding Services.
A player who withholds playing services called for by a Player Contract for more than thirty (30) days after the start of the last Season covered by his Player Contract shall be deemed not to have “complet[ed] his Player Contract by rendering the playing services called for thereunder.” Accordingly, such a player shall not be a Veteran Free Agent and shall not be entitled to negotiate or sign a Player Contract with any other professional basketball team unless and until the Team for which the player last played expressly agrees otherwise.

[99 Problems]

Countdown on to Kawhi group going all in on Clippers trade now :flag::flag::flag::flag:

[duncan2150]

You never see a player sitting a year because he wants To be traded.

Good game by the spurs To not accept first offers, they will have something good.

[violentkitten]

You never see a player sitting a year because he wants To be traded.

Good game by the spurs To not accept first offers, they will have something good.

shit offers so far, no reason to move him and reward this. nba media so far has glossed over what he obviously did. that's about to become front and center.

[violentkitten]

No reason to make it easy for that bitch, not when LA has nothing useful to offer in trade.

right the spurs have been real nice. why bother to continue?

if there's one thing this country hates it's people whining about eight figure compensation being unfair. not doing your job on top of that?

[picnroll]

Have a nice vacation fucktard.

[violentkitten]

fortunately there are a million other entertainment options. if millennial players want to start holding out and bailing on teams and heretofore loyal fanbases maybe the fans will start to bail on them too.

[violentkitten]

nba needs to figure this out, people will be less inclined to tune in to games and vote for sweetheart arena deals if this is the new normal.

[violentkitten]

i guess the counter would be paul george, happy to play in a small market, of course for eleventy billion dollars

[NickiRasgo]

Given with the CBA rule, I think Kawhi can easily dodge that by simply playing but not giving his 100%.

[picnroll]

Spurs are idiots if they allow a precendent where a contract is only upheld by one side, the club, while the player can void it at will. Maybe the NBA should just negotiate a new CBA where if they don’t like the contract they signed with a player they can just void it. They can just make up some bs excuse like the player was faking injuries or deliberately dogging it. Call it the Leonard rule.

[violentkitten]

Spurs are idiots if they allow a precendent where a contract is only upheld by one side, the club, while the player can void it at will. Maybe the NBA should just negotiate a new CBA where if they don’t like the contract they signed with a player they can just void it. They can just make up some bs excuse like the player was faking injuries or deliberately dogging it. Call it the Leonard rule.

Yeah this path leads to contracts with more partial guarantees. that's the way teams will start to protect themselves.

[violentkitten]

it'll be interesting to see how strongly the players union supports Leonard as this plays out. this pretty much will give the owners a reason to push for more variable compensation. almost every team in the league has players with contract value exceeding current production value. moving to the NFL model then becomes more likely.

[picnroll]

If this were a real business the Spurs would sue Leonard for breech of contract and defamation and damages would include loss of revenue line ticket sales and concessions. Awards could tally up to a nice chunk of his future salary.

[violentkitten]

pretty much. spurs still have rights per his contract and the cba to not pay him given that this is clearly a holdout. as we would expect there are protections for the team in the event a player fails to perform. the spurs haven't gone down that path so far because they were trying to make amends. I expect we'll hear a different tone from the team moving forward.

[bbarry]

Kawhit has said not a word in months. I take all this speculation with a grain of salt. If he choses to sit out until traded, see ya in 2019-2020 with a year still on the contract. IOW, total BS.

I would let "the group" know these four words - "see you in September"


How do you know he hasn't said a word in months? That's also speculation btw

[lmbebo]

Hes going to sign with LA anyway next summer. Why not get some draft picks for his carcass

Right now Lakers/Magic aren't offering picks, etc. They are offering whatever trash they got.

[Phenomanul]

He doesn't want to get booed by the fans every home game.

or he doesn't want to be Tonya Harding'ed... which is really what ought to have happened to Zaza Pachulia. He's the real franchise killer in this story.

[Harry Callahan]

How do you know he hasn't said a word in months? That's also speculation btw

The last time Kawhi Leonard was quoted in front of cameras/media (just to make it crystal clear for you) was prior to the playoffs. All of the chatter coming out from "his group" is deemed sources from "his group". Not a single quote direct from Leonard, the uncle, the agent. Nobody. This year long dog and pony show is a pile of crap heaped upon the Spurs Organization and the city of San Antonio. Spitting in the face of a city, an organization, teammates, and a fan base that supported you enthusiastically for YEARS is bush league.

This has been a clandestine operation propped up by the east coast and west coast media that wants to see a quality player moved to a so called "major" market and out of San Antonio. BTW LA is actually an overgrown, traffic-chocked, crime ridden s***hole with mild weather.

[YGWHI]

Im liking Michael c wright the more i read his commentary. Seriously wtf is up with these local sa reporters who seem to have no pulse on the team they cover.

From that Jeff McDonald's tweet in 2016 about the Spurs should "let other teams to take a turn" at the top, to this Mike Finger's tweet...These guys are just horrible.

It's clear that Jabari Young doesn't like the Spurs but it seems like no one of the rest of reporters covering the team really like SA...

SAEN is pure shit right now.

[YGWHI]

Hilarious hahahahahaha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usARBofWVzo

And then people don't believe that ESPN/SAS spread rumors about Kawhi to help the Lakers this offseason...

[Spurtacular]

I hope Kawhi stays and sits out for a second season and cements his reputation as the biggest bitch in NBA history.

[violentkitten]

oh ok this year you're not showing up because it's a holdout and not some bullshit second opinion.

we dont pay you and we still control your rights.

[florige]

Given with the CBA rule, I think Kawhi can easily dodge that by simply playing but not giving his 100%.


Well thats sort of risky too. If he only plays sub par on purpose that will only hurt his value moving forward into next summer.

[JFK]

If this were a real business the Spurs would sue Leonard for breech of contract and defamation and damages would include loss of revenue line ticket sales and concessions. Awards could tally up to a nice chunk of his future salary.



I think the Spurs have been holding out and keeping quiet in hopes of reconciliation of this thing and perhaps convincing Leonard to come back and come to his senses.

I think this thing will continue and it will get very ugly. Especially if this mute cancer doesn't get his way and get traded before the season starts. He will sit and not play the whole year before he faces the consequences of his actions and stepping foot in the locker room.

Spurs go from Tim Duncan to possibly the most entitled and rotten guy in the league. Other players bitch and moan, but at least show up and play. This would be a first and you can't defend this.

[FireMicoHalili]

Dennis Robertson really starting to get on that level of awfulness as LaVar Ball with regard to ruining his ward’s career. I don’t know how Kawhi would look if he and his camp insist on not playing. He essentially took almost $20M for free playing video games and faked an injury without even saying a word.

[violentkitten]

this strategy of using holdouts and making up shit to make your current team's FO look bad will easily cost $50-80 mil. not hard to think a more savvy group could have avoided that. this looks like inexperienced retards trying to act hard. spurs should start leaking negative shit they have for the hell of it. quitting on a playoff team is never a good look.

[FireMicoHalili]

this strategy of using holdouts and making up shit to make your current team's FO look bad will easily cost $50-80 mil. not hard to think a more savvy group could have avoided that. this looks like inexperienced retards trying to act hard. spurs should start leaking negative shit they have for the hell of it. quitting on a playoff team is never a good look.
Difference between the supermax and the extension he gets in LA can easily be recouped by getting shoe and endorsement deals. LA has more to offer in that regard as compared to HEB commercials.

[JFK]

Dennis Robertson really starting to get on that level of awfulness as LaVar Ball with regard to ruining his ward’s career. I don’t know how Kawhi would look if he and his camp insist on not playing. He essentially took almost $20M for free playing video games and faked an injury without even saying a word.

Like I said, I think the Spurs let it go in hopes of turning this around. This will get nasty and they will recoup some monies back if they pull this sitting out shit again.

They won't even get a chance to pretend he is hurt because he won't set foot in the locker or court. I think Dickwad Dennis Robertson and his group proclaimed he is 'healthy' so there is no going back to that, unless he goes Jason Pierre Paul and blows off his fingers on the 4th of July with fireworks.

[BillMc]

As long as Cry Leonard can find a random quack doctor to say he's hurt, it'll be hard for Spurs to to prove he's holding out and thus sue or fine him. (Hope I'm wrong on this). I mean according to Bill Simmons Uncle Dennis had to go to 8 docs to find one to play ball. You'd have to be a scum bag, and one who apparently really doesn't enjoy the game (why not just play and get paid, then leave. Why just sit out because of trumped up reasons). There's a feeling of entitlement here. Obviously, he feels he deserves his 18 to 20 mill even though he's not playing and has no qualms collecting the money while sitting out. Tony made some remark, therefore I am justified in taking 18 mill? It speaks of either a) a lack of perspective or b) out and out dishonesty.

In retrospect, I'm pissed Pop protected his ass in the WCF in 17. Pop looked long term and did not bring Kawhi back, even though by many reports he could have played in Game 3 or 4. But Pop did the right thing. 90% of fanchises wouldn't. Should have put him out there and let him trash his ankle Grant Hill-style. If so, Uncle D would be begging for a contract for his washed up nephew.

[loveforthegame]

Has Woj, Aldridge, Shams, or any others confirm SAS report?

[rjv]

Hilarious posters are taking SAS as gospel here now.

not just posters. ESPN itself and other media outlets too. why they allow this stupid ass smith to just put out his agenda-driven nonsense is beyond me.

[Harry Callahan]

So, lets just have a five team NBA SASmith. What delusional BS. Why do the supposed "Major Market" teams need that colluded help? SASmith is just another puppet - ESPN has to pay for all the inflated salaries (including Lebron's, SASmith, Kawhi, etc) and the rate of salary inflation in unsustainable.

Heres the solution SA Smith - the Lakers, Clips, Bulls, Knicks, and Nets need to hire and retain better coaches, management, and players. PERIOD.

Idiot NBA player think money grow on trees. S.A. Smith as well.

This is WWF stuff now. Not legit anymore.

[stu scotts eye]

Regardless of what SAS said.

He is the most annoying media member of all time. Always on the nuts of the star, diva, black athlete like Mayweather. Everything he says.

[rjv]

Regardless of what SAS said.

He is the most annoying media member of all time. Always on the nuts of the star, diva, black athlete like Mayweather. Everything he says.

yeah. he's a front-running, big market sycophant. his bias has never been hidden. hell, he might as well be wearing a lakers jersey when he opines on the leonard situation.

[SAGirl]

Dennis Robertson really starting to get on that level of awfulness as LaVar Ball with regard to ruining his ward’s career. I don’t know how Kawhi would look if he and his camp insist on not playing. He essentially took almost $20M for free playing video games and faked an injury without even saying a word.
Some would say that it's easier to deal with Lavar Ball bc he's obnoxious but he's up front and lays out his agenda ahead of time. Dennis seems like a double faced kind of agent.

[Harry Callahan]

Difference between the supermax and the extension he gets in LA can easily be recouped by getting shoe and endorsement deals. LA has more to offer in that regard as compared to HEB commercials.

You state this as a fact - you are wrong. A supermax is guaranteed money. KL will never make up $80MM in salary on a SHOE contract.

Tell me how this $80MM variance is "easily" obtained when you are not even sure this guy can play well enough to be an all star player going forward.

Enlighten me...

[picnroll]

As long as Cry Leonard can find a random quack doctor to say he's hurt, it'll be hard for Spurs to to prove he's holding out and thus sue or fine him. (Hope I'm wrong on this). I mean according to Bill Simmons Uncle Dennis had to go to 8 docs to find one to play ball. You'd have to be a scum bag, and one who apparently really doesn't enjoy the game (why not just play and get paid, then leave. Why just sit out because of trumped up reasons). There's a feeling of entitlement here. Obviously, he feels he deserves his 18 to 20 mill even though he's not playing and has no qualms collecting the money while sitting out. Tony made some remark, therefore I am justified in taking 18 mill? It speaks of either a) a lack of perspective or b) out and out dishonesty.

In retrospect, I'm pissed Pop protected his ass in the WCF in 17. Pop looked long term and did not bring Kawhi back, even though by many reports he could have played in Game 3 or 4. But Pop did the right thing. 90% of fanchises wouldn't. Should have put him out there and let him trash his ankle Grant Hill-style. If so, Uncle D would be begging for a contract for his washed up nephew.
I’m assuming, maybe incorrectly, that Spur’s have insurance to cover player injuries. Insurance companies don’t like fraud and workman’s compensation cases are reviewed from a state appointed list of physicians. I’m surprised Spur’s haven’t already taken the insurance compensation route given Leornard claimed injury for all but nine games last year.

[BillMc]

I’m assuming, maybe incorrectly, that Spur’s have insurance to cover player injuries. Insurance companies don’t like fraud and workman’s compensation cases are reviewed from a state appointed list of physicians. I’m surprised Spur’s haven’t already taken the insurance compensation route given Leornard claimed injury for all but nine games last year.

Good post. Hope you're right.

[cjw]

Difference between the supermax and the extension he gets in LA can easily be recouped by getting shoe and endorsement deals. LA has more to offer in that regard as compared to HEB commercials.

Huh? Shoe deals are national and not local, and guys like Westbrook in OKC have done just fine with their shoe deals. It’s about being marketable and having a personality. Meanwhile, Kawhi has no personality and is destroying his brand by the day.

And now he wants to go be second fiddle to Lebron? I’m sure that will mean raking in the big bucks. Just ask broke Pippen.

[Harry Callahan]

From that Jeff McDonald's tweet in 2016 about the Spurs should "let other teams to take a turn" at the top, to this Mike Finger's tweet...These guys are just horrible.

It's clear that Jabari Young doesn't like the Spurs but it seems like no one of the rest of reporters covering the team really like SA...

SAEN is pure shit right now.

Agreed.

[FireMicoHalili]

You state this as a fact - you are wrong. A supermax is guaranteed money. KL will never make up $80MM in salary on a SHOE contract.

Tell me how this $80MM variance is "easily" obtained when you are not even sure this guy can play well enough to be an all star player going forward.

Enlighten me...
If I’m not mistaken, Harden makes a cool $200M off that contract with Adidas on top of his player contract. For other contracts, I used this as basis https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/06/09/the-nbas-biggest-shoe-deals/#5719136a1520 It’s not sure money and won’t ever amount to the difference between the supermax and the hypothetical Lakers extension. That I agree with. But whatever difference, whether substantial or not, is probably offset by the fact he’s going to play in his hometown and at a bigger city.

I also agree Kawhi is hard-pressed to sell his own signature shoe given his lack of character and I doubt he can change public perception so drastically to make everyone buy a Kawhi shoe, which makes it all sadder.

[violentkitten]

Difference between the supermax and the extension he gets in LA can easily be recouped by getting shoe and endorsement deals. LA has more to offer in that regard as compared to HEB commercials.

that's the theory doubtful in reality

[hater]

And you nigas ask me why I baptized him Mute Cancer :lol

[hater]

Cancer Mute Cancer

[Barfunk]

Oh, and can somebody please knock Stephen A Smith the fuck out?

[Extra Stout]

I believe the Spurs chose to defer to Kawhi’s medical team to try to maintain the relationship, but if the team doctors clear him to play, the Spurs can oblige him to play. Of course it’s not that simple, and all this would end up in court, and both sides will be smeared in the media.

The Spurs have two choices: give in and allow themselves to be raped, or fight their would-be rapist as hard as they can.

[dbestpro]

If this comes to fruition it does not spell good for the next CBA. The next issue is of course when the Spurs take Kawhi to a friednly Texas court. Not only could the Spurs recoup all salaries, but the punitive damages could be x3 of the salary. Long John Silvers needs to step up and inform Kawhi, that either he plays or he is involuntarily retired which makes him sit out an additional year, and for not honoring his contract, and tampering by the Lakers, he cannot sign a contract with LA for 5 years. Anything less puts the entire structure of basketball and their contracts at risk.

[dbestpro]

that's the theory doubtful in reality

The Leonard brand will not sell a whole lot of shoes outside of LA other than to people who are trying to cheat their social security. You would have to be crazy to try and sell a Leonard shoe outside LA. Maybe he can sign a contract with Big Ballers.

[21209]

Just another example of the countless # of hearsay items we've read non-stop over the last 5 months.

Nobody really knows what's going on with Kawhi since everything has been speculative from his wanting out all the way to the meetings that were supposedly held between him and Pop recently.

[picnroll]

Hoping that the Spurs are playing nice trying to accommodate Lentard but when that doesn’t work gloves come off and they lawyer up.

[dbreiden83080]

And then people don't believe that ESPN/SAS spread rumors about Kawhi to help the Lakers this offseason...

You know there is more to the NBA than whether or not the Lakers are playing well.. SAS is a Fucking clown..

[daslicer]

Hoping that the Spurs are playing nice trying to accommodate Lentard but when that doesn’t work gloves come off and they lawyer up.

I would actually like to see the Spurs take him to court and make his life a miserable hell. I don't care about the Spurs reputation being destroyed among players since it's already been destroyed. It's time to drag Kawhi's reputation through the mud.

[Marcus Bryant]

I believe the Spurs chose to defer to Kawhi’s medical team to try to maintain the relationship, but if the team doctors clear him to play, the Spurs can oblige him to play. Of course it’s not that simple, and all this would end up in court, and both sides will be smeared in the media.

The Spurs have two choices: give in and allow themselves to be raped, or fight their would-be rapist as hard as they can.

Right they were in treat our franchise player with kid gloves mode. Now that's over I don't expect such deference moving forward.

[lmbebo]

I would actually like to see the Spurs take him to court and make his life a miserable hell. I don't care about the Spurs reputation being destroyed among players since it's already been destroyed. It's time to drag Kawhi's reputation through the mud.

I'd love to see that as well, just don't expect it to happen.

Don't think the other NBA owners would allow it either, wouldn't be good for the league as a whole. They could force an ownership change like they did with Sterling n LA ...

[Marcus Bryant]

Hoping that the Spurs are playing nice trying to accommodate Lentard but when that doesn’t work gloves come off and they lawyer up.

Don't need that. If he doesn't report then he doesn't get paid. Add that to the supermax he's lost out on.

[Dverde]

If I’m not mistaken, Harden makes a cool $200M off that contract with Adidas on top of his player contract. For other contracts, I used this as basis https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/06/09/the-nbas-biggest-shoe-deals/#5719136a1520 It’s not sure money and won’t ever amount to the difference between the supermax and the hypothetical Lakers extension. That I agree with. But whatever difference, whether substantial or not, is probably offset by the fact he’s going to play in his hometown and at a bigger city.

I also agree Kawhi is hard-pressed to sell his own signature shoe given his lack of character and I doubt he can change public perception so drastically to make everyone buy a Kawhi shoe, which makes it all sadder.

Don’t forget about the money lost paying state income taxes to the worst run state in the US. He’ll probably end up getting 40% of his money.

[Russ]

Here is what the CBA says:


Section 3. Withholding Services.

A player who withholds playing services called for by a Player Contract
for more than thirty (30) days after the start of the last Season covered by
his Player Contract shall be deemed not to have “complet[ed] his Player
Contract by rendering the playing services called for thereunder.”
Accordingly, such a player shall not be a Veteran Free Agent and shall not
be entitled to negotiate or sign a Player Contract with any other
professional basketball team unless and until the Team for which the
player last played expressly agrees otherwise.

Why would this not mean that KL can never become a free agent until he fulfills the last year of his Spurs contract?

[picnroll]

Here is what the CBA says:



Why would this not mean that KL can never become a free agent until he fulfills the last year of his Spurs contract?

See you in training camp d-bag. Unless of course you want to fake another injury. Then we’ll see you in court.

[Extra Stout]

Here is what the CBA says:



Why would this not mean that KL can never become a free agent until he fulfills the last year of his Spurs contract?
The more we post the CBA clause, the likelier YGWHI sees it and points it out to Kawhi’s people.

[daslicer]

I'd love to see that as well, just don't expect it to happen.

Don't think the other NBA owners would allow it either, wouldn't be good for the league as a whole. They could force an ownership change like they did with Sterling n LA ...

I don't think the Spurs would go that route either but no way the league could outright force an ownership change like they did with Sterling. Sterling outed himself as a racist that's what made him controversial. The league also lucked out that Sterling's wife was able to get him to sign the papers to sell the Clippers. If she wasn't able to do it then Sterling and the league would have been in court for years and it would have gotten ugly.

I think the majority of owners would be siding with the Spurs in this situation. What Kawhi did was dishonorable and could set a precedent in the future for other players to do the same thing to other teams especially small market teams. Fact is this guy was only willing to play 2 years out of a 4 year deal he signed with the Spurs. It really would show contracts don't mean anything anymore and that's something I think the majority of owners are against. Also I have gotten the vibes the owners don't like how the players have too much power now to not only decide where and who they play with but also they now can run an organization ala Lebron in Cleveland. I remember reading a week ago about how Dan Gilbert wouldn't care if Lebron left the Cavs simply because he would be glad that he has his team back and would have full power to run his team the way he wants to do it. I have also heard the owners have been trying for years to get rid of guaranteed contracts. The Kawhi situation helps their cause so I don't really see how they would be against the Spurs taking Kawhi to court.

[picnroll]

So way I see it the d-bag has 5 choices:
1. Not show up and sit out the rest of his career.
2. Show up, fake another injury and get his sorry ass sued into bankruptcy.
3. Show up, dog it and have Pop ride his ass into the ground
4. Agree to a trade with terms that allow the Spurs to get reasonable compensation.
5. Man up, come to camp and act and play like a real professional.

[Russ]

The Kawhi situation helps their cause so I don't really see how they would be against the Spurs taking Kawhi to court.

I think there's an arbitration provision in the CBA that would short-circuit either party's attempt to go directly to court . . .

[mudyez]

So way I see it the d-bag has 5 choices:
1. Not show up and sit out the rest of his career.
2. Show up, fake another injury and get his sorry ass sued into bankruptcy.
3. Show up, dog it and have Pop ride his ass into the ground
4. Agree to a trade with terms that allow the Spurs to get reasonable compensation.
5. Man up, come to camp and act and play like a real professional.

3.b. Play poorly for that time...then play great once he is free...which will be this fuck's way to handle it.

[BillMc]

I can't believe I have more respect even for Melo than Kawhi. Never thought I'd say those words. Because I loathe Melo.

[picnroll]

3.b. Play poorly for that time...then play great once he is free...which will be this fuck's way to handle it.
I’d pay for front row seats just to watch Pop nuking his sorry ass during games for a season. That would take the sting out of this whole shitshow.

[Dverde]

Spurs are a classy organization. They won’t sue him or bench him. They’ll probably still retire his jersey, I would not after these BS.

[Spurs9]

:lol you guys are talking about suing him and sitting out all season. Its not going to get that far, they don't want the distraction. Its already been going on all last season, they will trade him somewhere. You guys are getting all worked up over the he will sit out quote.

[Marcus Bryant]

I think there's an arbitration provision in the CBA that would short-circuit either party's attempt to go directly to court . . .

One would think. NBA would definitely want control of that process.

[Marcus Bryant]

I have also heard the owners have been trying for years to get rid of guaranteed contracts. The Kawhi situation helps their cause so I don't really see how they would be against the Spurs taking Kawhi to court.

Not court but yes, giving the owners a reason to start pushing to increase the non-guaranteed portion of long term contracts is not in the players' interest. It will be interesting to see how much support he gets from the union now that this is about a holdout to force a trade. I'm sure he'll start getting some heat to end it and play out his current contract like every other player does, then enter free agency.

[FvckMavs]

They’ll probably still retire his jersey, I would not after these BS.

Fuck no.

[lebomb]

Sitting hurts Kawhi worse IMHO.

[BSfromTX]

So just before 30 days can he suit up for a day and then start over? or is it 30 days total?

If it gets to that point, it will be the owners Kawhi will need to fear. They won't hold back going after him. If he wants to fake another injury, they will have a hard time finding a doc to support it, not to mention adding doubt to his longterm health

[Mugen]

Spurs are a classy organization. They won’t sue him or bench him. They’ll probably still retire his jersey, I would not after these BS.

:lol

[look_at_g_shred]

I mean even Bledsoe tweeted I don't want to be here.

[Marcus Bryant]

Sitting hurts Kawhi worse IMHO.

Yep. Play out your final year and prove to the league that you are indeed 100%. Also usually good to keep options open. Paul George figured that out.

[JFK]

Sitting hurts Kawhi worse IMHO.


He wants to go to LA and the Lakers want him no matter what. They would prefer him to be there now.

Sitting a year out also means he can’t get injured while playing and he doesn’t have to play in SA so in a messed up cowardly way they both still win.

As long as LA wants him and he wants to be there it doesn’t matter. He definitely will not want to help the Spurs get anything in return anyways.

[Rob123]

Another year away from nba competition hurts him more than anything at this point. He was on the cusp of putting it all together he wasn’t yet the established mvp mj was when he left. His game will most likely degrade after 2years off

[SupremeGuy]

He wants to go to LA and the Lakers want him no matter what. They would prefer him to be there now.

Sitting a year out also means he can’t get injured while playing and he doesn’t have to play in SA so in a messed up cowardly way they both still win.

As long as LA wants him and he wants to be there it doesn’t matter. He definitely will not want to help the Spurs get anything in return anyways.Fuck you Cuban missile crisis, Bay of Pigs, Multiple wars/conflicts; your presidency was shit and Nixon, fucking Nixon, had to clean up your fucking faggot mess.

But yeah, you're also retarded when it comes to this situation.

[HarlemHeat37]

He isn't sitting another year, no elite athlete is going to waste 2 years of his peak on the sidelines(excluding the commissioner forcing it due to gambling debts that led to the murder of a certain father)..

Spurs should just wait it out, tbh.

[BackHome]

If I am the Spurs I am telling Kawhi you have two choices:

1. You come back and play out your confract.
2. You agree to a sign and trade to Philly and agree to stay with them more then one year.

I will also say that if you sit out we will go all legal on your azz and try to get last years 19 mill u stole from us but also this years 19 mill you owe us. Also tell Uncle Fester we will be looking at filling tampering charges against him and Magic

[duncan2k5]

SAS agenda clear... The whole media is giddy about lebron in LA... now SAS trying to muddy the waters saying Kawhi MIGHT sit out next season, according to SOME league execs... What a source! Smfh... Then the national media had headlines of Kawhi to sit out next season if not traded"... These guys are trash

[Marcus Bryant]

He isn't sitting another year, no elite athlete is going to waste 2 years of his peak on the sidelines(excluding the commissioner forcing it due to gambling debts that led to the murder of a certain father)..

Spurs should just wait it out, tbh.

Yeah, also what happens when James is tired of carrying a shitty supporting cast and wants to trade the useless player aka Cap Flexibility come January? Teams are going to want to know you are back from your mystery injury which didn't require surgery.

[rjv]

11.3 Withholding Services.A player who withholds playing services called for by a Player Contract for more than thirty (30) days after the start of the last Season covered by his Player Contract shall be deemed not to have “complet[ed] his Player Contract by rendering the playing services called for thereunder.” Accordingly, such a player shall not be a Veteran Free Agent and shall not be entitled to negotiate or sign a Player Contract with any other professional basketball team unless and until the Team for which the player last played expressly agrees otherwise.

if leonard feigns another injury, i would expect the spurs FO to consider legal action and possibly asking the NBA to initiate an investigation into possible collusion.

[Russ]

So just before 30 days can he suit up for a day and then start over? or is it 30 days total?

If it gets to that point, it will be the owners Kawhi will need to fear. They won't hold back going after him. If he wants to fake another injury, they will have a hard time finding a doc to support it, not to mention adding doubt to his longterm health

I believe it means a total of 30 days withheld at any point(s) during the season. So if he waits more than 30 days before he shows up, he would be in irrevocable breach.

[BackHome]

Also I belive Spurs ticket holders can file lawsuits against him though not sure about that?

[Spurs da champs]

Also I belive Spurs ticket holders can file lawsuits against him though not sure about that?

Didn't Heat fans file a lawsuit against Spurs for sitting everybody?

[Russ]

If Kawhi claims an injury it looks like the Spurs have a right to engage "a neutral physician" to examine him and "prepare a written report of the
player’s medical condition, . . ."

This is essentially an independent medical examination (IME) which is often used in lawsuits and arbitrations when there is a dispute as to a medical condition.

Presumably, if the IME indicated that Kawhi should play, he would not be able to miss more than 30 days during the season with that claimed injury:


Section 8. Injury Grievances.

(a) If a party to a dispute arising under paragraphs 7, 16(a)(iii), 16(b),
or 16(c) of a Uniform Player Contract so elects, the NBA and the Players
Association shall agree upon a neutral physician or (in the absence of such
agreement) jointly request that the President of the American College of
Orthopedic Surgeons (or such other similar organization as the NBA and
the Players Association agree may be most appropriate to the issues in
dispute) designate a physician who has no relationship with any party
covered by this Agreement who shall, for purposes of the dispute, serve as
an independent medical expert and consultant to the Grievance Arbitrator.
Such independent medical expert shall conduct a physical examination of
the player; review such medical records and reports relating to the player
that bear on the issues in dispute; and prepare a written report of the
player’s medical condition, which report shall address any specific medical
questions submitted to the independent medical expert by joint agreement
of the parties or by the Grievance Arbitrator. Any reports, opinions, or
conclusions of the independent medical expert shall be provided in writing
to the parties in advance of any hearing scheduled pursuant to Section 4
above. The opinions and conclusions of the independent medical expert
shall be accorded such weight as the Grievance Arbitrator deems
appropriate. The fees and costs of the independent medical expert shall be
borne equally by both sides.

[r0drig0lac]

The more we post the CBA clause, the likelier YGWHI sees it and points it out to Kawhi’s people.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[rjv]

If I am the Spurs I am telling Kawhi you have two choices:

1. You come back and play out your confract.
2. You agree to a sign and trade to Philly and agree to stay with them more then one year.

I will also say that if you sit out we will go all legal on your azz and try to get last years 19 mill u stole from us but also this years 19 mill you owe us. Also tell Uncle Fester we will be looking at filling tampering charges against him and Magic

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[Spurs da champs]

1013756529802170369

:lol, tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[BillMc]

1013773479315992576

Didn't Tony eek into to Top 5 circa 2013 or 2014 or am I drunk again? Damn, and a Monday too...

Or maybe as an FA he wouldn't be on the list.

[BatManu20]

Spurs need to tell Kawhi's people that they need to tell the Lakers to either pony up and stop being cheap fucks, or they're not getting Kawhi this season, period. A lot can happen in a year and Lebron will be almost 35 at the beginning of next season if they want to play that game.

[TVI]

Havent you called in sick and expected to get paid, dipshit? for 9 months?

[BlackSilver]

SAS agenda clear... The whole media is giddy about lebron in LA... now SAS trying to muddy the waters saying Kawhi MIGHT sit out next season, according to SOME league execs... What a source! Smfh... Then the national media had headlines of Kawhi to sit out next season if not traded"... These guys are trash

Maybe PATFO leaked this tidbit to paint Kawhi into a corner.

[SpursforSix]

If I am the Spurs I am telling Kawhi you have two choices:

1. You come back and play out your confract.
2. You agree to a sign and trade to Philly and agree to stay with them more then one year.

I will also say that if you sit out we will go all legal on your azz and try to get last years 19 mill u stole from us but also this years 19 mill you owe us. Also tell Uncle Fester we will be looking at filling tampering charges against him and Magic

Clearly, the Spurs don't have the right to do #2. And I wouldn't threaten anything legally. Just let the pieces fall and if Leonard and his camp are oblivious to the ramifications of him sitting out, then go down that road.

As it stands, all the drama aside, he's a Spur for the coming season. If they aren't going to trade him, then they have to go into the season assuming that they have a top 3 player and a decent roster.
At that point, Leonard controls his own destiny. Man up and play or be a little bitch and suffer the consequences.

Best case scenario, he has a career ending injury in game 7 of the Finals after sinking the game winning shot.

[BatManu20]

Imagine the vitriol from fans if Kawhi were to play this season with the Spurs. Probably get booed during home games :lol. Just don't see that happening tbh. Pop wants no part of that imo.

[BlackSilver]

Imagine the vitriol from fans if Kawhi were to play this season with the Spurs. Probably get booed during home games :lol. Just don't see that happening tbh. Pop wants no part of that imo.

True. He'd have to do a public mea culpa tour before the season in order to mend fences. Can't see it.

[BatManu20]

Didn't Tony eek into to Top 5 circa 2013 or 2014 or am I drunk again? Damn, and a Monday too...

Or maybe as an FA he wouldn't be on the list.


Yea he finished 5th or 6th in 2013.

[Marcus Bryant]

Unfortunately Leonard turned out to be this decade's Derek "Mr. Loyalty" Anderson.

[Marcus Bryant]

Imagine the vitriol from fans if Kawhi were to play this season with the Spurs. Probably get booed during home games :lol. Just don't see that happening tbh. Pop wants no part of that imo.

Yeah he's done in SA. He could also already have that extension in hand with better representation.

[BSfromTX]

Imagine the vitriol from fans if Kawhi were to play this season with the Spurs. Probably get booed during home games :lol. Just don't see that happening tbh. Pop wants no part of that imo.

That is what I am thinking. If he can't even handle this straight up, what makes anyone think he will suck it up and play for the spurs?

Only reasonable scenario at this point is Kawhi agrees to a sign and trade ( which I am assuming is possible?) That way another team doesn't have to worry about him leaving, Kawhi gets a big contract, and spurs don't lose him for nothing?

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs have all the cover in the world with the fanbase to dump him for nothing and avoid a supermax commitment, especially if they had concerns about him being able to play out his contract. Not once has he played a full season.

[TVI]

Call it the Leonard rule. :bobo

[Captivus]

Let him sit a year!!! I want blood! Or make him play 1 minute every game and take him out.

[BatManu20]

Lol 62.5 my ass. Zero chance

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[BatManu20]

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[buttsR4rebounding]

First, Kawhi is NOT sitting a year. Just some fake news put out by some execs from other teams that gets picked up as fact. Second, if the over under for the Lakers is 62.5 I am going to lay some serious money on the under. That's about as sure a thing as you can get. No way they win 63 games in the West. With their current cast I'd put their win total around 46-48.

[RD2191]

Lol 62.5 my ass. Zero chance

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I give them 52 tbh.

[mudyez]

Let him sit a year!!! I want blood! Or make him play 1 minute every game and take him out.

He will become the second payer ever to average more than 48 minutes per game if his body somehow holds up.

[LkrFan]

Line was at +200 this morning:

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:wow

[Marcus Bryant]

He will become the second payer ever to average more than 48 minutes per game if his body somehow holds up.

Next season is his 8th in the league. Lot of mileage already.

[BatManu20]

Lakers favorites to win it all suddenly :lol. Must be certain they're landing Kawhi


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[szkorhetz]

Lakers favorites to win it all suddenly :lol. Must be certain they're landing Kawhi


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:lol@ Lakers>Warriors or even the Lolkets. :D

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

LA looking hard at Boogie

[Spurs9]

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[K...]

I'd like to see LeBron, boogie, and kawhi honestly. Do it Mitch, make it so

[Spurs9]

I'd like to see LeBron, boogie, and kawhi honestly. Do it Mitch, make it so

We aren't beating the Warriors anyway, at least there will be a team that can finally challange them. Sprinkle in some Lavar Ball, Javel, and Stephenson and its a circus. Kawhi can't handle Parkers comments and hes gonna be on a team with those characters :lmao

[K...]

We aren't beating the Warriors anyway, at least there will be a team that can finally challange them. Sprinkle in some Lavar Ball, Javel, and Stephenson and its a circus. Kawhi can't handle Parkers comments and hes gonna be on a team with those characters :lmao

The only person I feel sorry for is cousins, the league owes him for the sacto years. Also when kawhi bitches about the Spurs being a suck ass team boogie gonna beat his ass for claiming priveliege over sacto

[SnakeBoy]

Listening to ESPN today I've learned that the Lakers hold all of the cards because they can just skip another year and begin building the dynasty next year with a 35 year old Lebron and and fragile Kawhi who hasn't played in 2 years. Therefore the Spurs must give Kawhi up for nothing now or give him up for nothing later.

[TMTTRIO]

So does he show up and play for Pop and Team USA this summer? That's going to be quite awkward

[Mr. Body]

Lol 62.5 my ass. Zero chance

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Haha. Take the under. Easy money.

[sasaint]

So does he show up and play for Pop and Team USA this summer? That's going to be quite awkward

He didn't play last time.

[slick'81]

Haha. Take the under. Easy money.

Cavs only won 50 last year so maybe that is easy money

[Budkin]

Listening to ESPN today I've learned that the Lakers hold all of the cards because they can just skip another year and begin building the dynasty next year with a 35 year old Lebron and and fragile Kawhi who hasn't played in 2 years. Therefore the Spurs must give Kawhi up for nothing now or give him up for nothing later.

TBH

[Mr. Body]

Cavs only won 50 last year so maybe that is easy money

When was the last time LeBron won 60 in the Easy Conference?

[ducks]

ban the championship team lakers in making
PUCK!

[Marcus Bryant]

Listening to ESPN today I've learned that the Lakers hold all of the cards because they can just skip another year and begin building the dynasty next year with a 35 year old Lebron and and fragile Kawhi who hasn't played in 2 years. Therefore the Spurs must give Kawhi up for nothing now or give him up for nothing later.

So he'll be dealt out of the conference.

[Chillen]

ban the championship team lakers in making
PUCK!

Why? I love this. LeBron on the Lakers and the Rockets with CP3 and Harden will make it that much tougher for the Warriors to win the West. That's how I see all this.

[CGD]

Anyone else think that Kawhi is like WTF seeing the signing of Devos and space cadets the likes of Boogie, Rondo, Lance, and McGee? Does he really want that cast?

[sasaint]

Anyone else think that Kawhi is like WTF seeing the signing of Devos and space cadets the likes of Boogie, Rondo, Lance, and McGee? Does he really want that cast?

Those guys are signing one year deals. They are the flotsam that gets jettisoned next season to make room for Kawhi, not his teammates-in-waiting.

[K...]

Those guys are signing one year deals. They are the flotsam that gets jettisoned next season to make room for Kawhi, not his teammates-in-waiting.

I think this is where the Spurs have a chance to sell him on philly and a roster that's set, vs the lakers who will move him and lebron with even worse garbage!!! GM lebronnis living up to his reputation is prizing weird low IQ cast offs

[sasaint]

I think this is where the Spurs have a chance to sell him on philly and a roster that's set, vs the lakers who will move him and lebron with even worse garbage!!! GM lebronnis living up to his reputation is prizing weird low IQ cast offs

Maybe, but I don't think Kawhi wants the responsibility that would come with going to Philly.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Man past year has made so many people lose respect for the autistic mute with his antics. Dump his candy ass tbqh

[bic50]

Just preordered my Kawhi lakers jersey

[Dverde]

Just preordered my Kawhi lakers jersey

Does it come with a nicotine patch? Because he’s all about quitting

[Das Texan]

If this were a real business the Spurs would sue Leonard for breech of contract and defamation and damages would include loss of revenue line ticket sales and concessions. Awards could tally up to a nice chunk of his future salary.

and then fans could sue Kawhi/Spurs then also?