Davis Bertans re-signs, 4 years, $20 million (Unconfirmed)

[DAF86]

Not all former lottery picks are created equal... MUDIAY, HEZONJA, OKAFOR ARE LOTTERY PICKS TOO.. SANE DRAFTBUT WE GOT A FIRST AND SPACE FOR OURS...
So this place calls Russell Dbust, but yet trading him for a first rounder and shedding one of the worst contracts in recent FA is not a smart move?
KAWHI got u Niccas so shook you are shitting on previous takes...

A smart move would have been, for example, drafting Porzingis and not signing Deng and Mozgov. So that now you can have Lebron, Porzingis AND cap sace.

[Chris]

:tu

[DAF86]

I hear ya.... Let me just say that he was barely better than Danny Green at shooting three's last season

Green .363
Bertans .373

and then he just fell on his sword in the postseason ( 3 for 18)

Unlike Danny Green, Bertans' only asset is shooting and when he's not knocking down shots in prolific fashion, he is a complete liability on a basketball court.

Bertans can put the ball on the floor and is a very good passer. He's also an underrated shot blocker. His defense (specially team defense) and shooting will only improve with more playing time and the experience and confidence that comes with that.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

A smart move would have been, for example, drafting Porzingis and not signing Deng and Mozgov. So that now you can have Lebron, Porzingis AND cap sace.

Philly are proving you could royally fuck up with 3 out of 5 high lottery picks (3 of 6 if you include Saric) and still build something good. Lakers drafting was beyond awful. Had they just drafted Tatum last year Kawhi would have probably been a Laker by now.

[Killakobe81]

A smart move would have been, for example, drafting Porzingis and not signing Deng and Mozgov. So that now you can have Lebron, Porzingis AND cap sace.

And porzingis already has a leg injury (which I predicted), so No a smart team doesn't do that.
Deng and Mozgof were already on books Maginka just righted a previous wrong which was... Savvy. Yall righted a wrong by extending pau... Not so savvy.

No doubt your team has been better run overall the past 20 years. But the last two? I WILL take Maginka over what I have seen from PATFO since Duncan left...

[Killakobe81]

Philly are proving you could royally fuck up with 3 out of 5 high lottery picks (3 of 6 if you include Saric) and still build something good. Lakers drafting was beyond awful. Had they just drafted Tatum last year Kawhi would have probably been a Laker by now.

I agree I wanted Tatum which I said here and on LG but that is still an incomplete (so far) ...
Boston not only got best asset but got an extra pick... No defending that. But I wouldn't trade Tatum for Injured KL anyways tbh
And again to early to judge or even to claim I was right after year one.Eeveryone was on Porzingis his rookie year even saying he should be pick over Kat but right now I would rather have Russell tbh... And Kat despite his issues over both ..Easily.
And Spidamitchell seems better than Tatum year one, but I still wouldn't take him over Tatum... You don't judge a draft by one year.

[TDomination]

I feel that Bertans would've been successful in the beautiful game style. If we lose kawhi, I would love for the spurs to get back to it. Highly unlikely with lma but it would be nice to see.

[spurs10]

Need shooters around LMA, good move here. Congrats to Bertans! That's a fat payday!

[TheGreatYacht]

Bertans can put the ball on the floor and is a very good passer. He's also an underrated shot blocker. His defense (specially team defense) and shooting will only improve with more playing time and the experience and confidence that comes with that.
He's a very good passer when he isn't chucking up contested 30ft shots*

He doesn't even average a block Per36*

He got more playing time his second year and his defense and shooting only got worse. There is absolutely zero evidence that it will, indeed, improve*

[Killakobe81]

Lakers drafting so bad that PA TFO wants Kuzma and Ingram ...

[DAF86]

And porzingis already has a leg injury (which I predicted), so No a smart team doesn't do that.
Deng and Mozgof were already on books Maginka just righted a previous wrong which was... Savvy. Yall righted a wrong by extending pau... Not so savvy.

No doubt your team has been better run overall the past 20 years. But the last two? I WILL take Maginka over what I have seen from PATFO since Duncan left...

lol sure, knowing what you know now you wouldn't draft Porzingis. :lmao

No reason to keep arguing if you are going to be dishonest son. :lol

[Pavlov]

Lakers drafting so bad that PA TFO wants Kuzma and Ingram ...Lakers have been terrible for years. Your attempt to act big time now is precious.

[DAF86]

Lakers drafting so bad that PA TFO wants Kuzma and Ingram ...

If you would have indeed drafted well, we would be asking for just one prospect, not severall, tbh.

[Rob123]

Look I think Bertans sucks.

I also fully believe that correlates to the amount of playtime he received and the herky jerkiness of the rotations last year. If he knows he's going to be playing night in and night out and he has a 4 year deal locked up I don't see any reason a dude of his height with his stroke cant be a deadly threat in todays NBA.

[Killakobe81]

lol sure, knowing what you know now you wouldn't draft Porzingis. :lmao

No reason to keep arguing if you are going to be dishonest son. :lol


I am being 100% honest.
Look up the Porzingis trade I was the one that said bigs over 7 foot 1 dont save a reliable history of health ... Pointing to YAo, Smits, Zydrunas as examples. Which is why at the time I still preferred KAT and Druss even though everyone was calling KP a unicorn you can look it up ..I'll wait..
Now if you are asking which prospect has more trade value outside of KAT I agree KP has infinitely more based on size and the fact the media bought his hype.
But just saying when KP comes avialble for his extension I would not pay him the max.
I wouldnt pay Russell either only KAT fromthat class imho has proven to be worth anything close to that.
But at least Russell's injuries are minor.

Mark it down. I will say it again Porzingis will never be as good as his rookie "unicorn" year hype.
HE will get overpaid and will be injured with leg injuries followed by back issues.

Russell tougher to predict I like his talent but he already has knee issues too. and wasnt a great athlete. A good one not a great one.
BTW many spurfans werebitching we did not draft Baby duncan or the better athlete (Oakafor or Mudiay) :lmao
Yes Spurfans are great at scouting young talent, especially Raven.
Some of y'all wanted to overpay on Kyle Anderson ...

[Killakobe81]

If you would have indeed drafted well, we would be asking for just one prospect, not severall, tbh.

Celts drafted well but supposedly talks started with Tatum and one of their future lottery picks they acquired ...and he was the best asset from the last draft ...
Lakers picked 2nd and drafted Kuzma with the pick acquired from Nets in the 20's ...

[cjw]

Utah most likely. They have no stretch four, already cut Jerebko, and have the full MLE to spend. He had been rumored to have their interest.

That said, it's more than Bjelica got per year, kind of surprising

And even though I love Davis, he was trash in the playoffs shooting 19% from three which was his only job. Good that he wasn't scared to shoot like Kyle, but he wasn't making them

I just hope the deal is declining.

There's no reason not to, they can't get to the tax now. At least try to help the future cap.

Sample size?

3 of 18 is pretty bad, but I put a lot more credence in his 38.4% from three over his career. That’s well above average.

Slumps happen. The Rockets shot 7 of 41 in game 7 of the West Finals. If they shoot 30%, they win that game.

[Marcus Bryant]

The cap is 50% higher than it was 3 yrs ago, this is like a 4 yr/$13 mil contract then for a backup 6'10" forward who can shoot the 3. What's the problem?

[Dex]

The cap is 50% higher than it was 3 yrs ago, this is like a 4 yr/$13 mil contract then for a backup 6'10" forward who can shoot the 3. What's the problem?

:cry But he looks like a skinny Matt Bonner :cry

[duncan2k5]

Hopefully he gets some SF minutes more than pf

[cutewizard]

Derozan or Saric next??

[cutewizard]

Hopefully he gets some SF minutes more than pf


:bobo

[DAF86]

Celts drafted well but supposedly talks started with Tatum and one of their future lottery picks they acquired ...and he was the best asset from the last draft ...
Lakers picked 2nd and drafted Kuzma with the pick acquired from Nets in the 20's ...

Well, we are trading a top 3 player on his absolute prime, of course we are not going to trade for a rookie straight up. The point is that if the Celtics made Tatum available, it would probably just take him and a late first rounder to make a deal. Since the Lakers didn't draft a Tatum, they need to give more pieces besides the draft picks.

[objective]

Sample size?

3 of 18 is pretty bad, but I put a lot more credence in his 38.4% from three over his career. That’s well above average.

Slumps happen. The Rockets shot 7 of 41 in game 7 of the West Finals. If they shoot 30%, they win that game.

Slumps happen, but if a player doesn't make them when it counts, shouldn't that be priced in?

Like I wrote, good for him for not being too scared to shoot like Anderson, but if he can't make them ... Not helping that much.

A lot of his shots were open, he wasn't some gravitational force out there from my memory. I'd have to watch the series again to be sure .... But I don't think I can take that :lol

[DPG21920]

Nope. Not justifying shitty ones. SAID Lonzo is an incomplete. I get cap space doesn't mean shit to yall because... you are not a Free Agent destination... But cap space is better than Randle or Russell tbh. Especially when it comes with a first rounder that becomes a solid piece like Kuzma or that space turns in to LeBron.

Looking at trading Mozgof and Russell for Lopez and a pick without considering the end game is myopic.

BTW if I was a Homer I would have defended the original Mozgof and Deng deals or the Kobe extension... I criticized all of those and the Byron Scott hiring... Guess what? ALL OF that was previous regime.

A laker fan calling SA not a FA destination when LMA had offer from LA and SA on the table and ran from LA. LA, had max cap space and had to sign Deng and Mozgov with all their “FA appeal”

[DPG21920]

I'm pretty sure that partial guarantees and trades don't work like that anymore with Pau. That loophole was closed. I think the only way to get the benefit if to be traded the league year before the partial guarantee.

Also, with Kawhi having the opt out, even if he makes up and stays he'll still opt out and his cap hold will knock off another 10 million.

Best case then is only 12 million plus the room exception.

From my understanding that is incorrect. Pau, whether traded or not, would only cost SA 6M. If he’s traded, he cost SA 0 and the other team 6M if he’s waived.

What you a referring to is regarding to matching salaries in the trade. In this instance though, it would be to a team with enough cap space to where that would not matter.

You are correct about Kawhi, but that was not the angle. Im saying that Kawhi is gone, but keeping his 20M on the books for math purposes was prudent for this example because when he’s traded it would be for players worth a total of no more than his 20M and might even be less depending.

[HarlemHeat37]

Slumps happen, but if a player doesn't make them when it counts, shouldn't that be priced in?

Like I wrote, good for him for not being too scared to shoot like Anderson, but if he can't make them ... Not helping that much.

A lot of his shots were open, he wasn't some gravitational force out there from my memory. I'd have to watch the series again to be sure .... But I don't think I can take that :lol

Bertans was extremely bad in that series, but I think it's stupid to negatively judge a bunch of role players asked to play against the best team in recent history without any stars to take pressure off them IMO..

Now, the counter-point would be that this year's team won't be any different in that regard, and I agree with that..however, the goal isn't to beat the Warriors, not even the biggest Spurs homer believes that they could do that:lol this team full of role players matches up horribly against the Warriors..

This team is just trying to stay relevant against the other teams in the West..most of us expected this, Pop isn't going to rebuild in his final years..

[8FOR!3]

Slumps happen, but if a player doesn't make them when it counts, shouldn't that be priced in?

Like I wrote, good for him for not being too scared to shoot like Anderson, but if he can't make them ... Not helping that much.

A lot of his shots were open, he wasn't some gravitational force out there from my memory. I'd have to watch the series again to be sure .... But I don't think I can take that :lol

I still think the Deng/Mozgov contracts are bizarre. Why sign either guy long term? If you're going to hand out what you know is probably a bad contract you'd think they'd at least make it a one year deal.

[DPG21920]

Not all former lottery picks are created equal... MUDIAY, HEZONJA, OKAFOR ARE LOTTERY PICKS TOO.. SAmE Draft BUT WE GOT A FIRST AND SPACE FOR OURS... Rest of those guys actually walked for NADA or traded for peanuts like Oak.
So this place calls Russell Dbust, but yet trading him for a first rounder and shedding one of the worst contracts in recent FA is not a smart move?
KAWHI got u Niccas so shook you are shitting on previous takes...

Look, I’m not saying that Magic and Co have not done some good to right previous wrongs. Landing Lebron cures all things bad, but not if they fail to win it all with their new found success.

Beyond just getting lucky that Bron loves LA (don’t get it twisted, he didn’t go to LA because they were the best basketball place), to lose for 5 years and have 3 #2 picks + a #7 pick and only have Kuz/Ingram/Lonzo to show for it?

That’s fine since you got Lebron, but you would think you would have a legit 2nd option with 5 years of losing and that many top 10 picks (including 3 #2’s) and not need 2 more stars with Bron.

The one year deals are fine, but let’s see which “star” they attract because right now while they got a lot better with Bron it’s not just about being a decent team; it’s about using their “LA appeal” to build a legit contender over the next 4 years. And also developing the young guys they actually have not shipped off just yet.

[Killakobe81]

Look, I’m not saying that Magic and Co have not done some good to right previous wrongs. Landing Lebron cures all things bad, but not if they fail to win it all with their new found success.

Beyond just getting lucky that Bron loves LA (don’t get it twisted, he didn’t go to LA because they were the best basketball place), to lose for 5 years and have 3 #2 picks + a #7 pick and only have Kuz/Ingram/Lonzo to show for it?

That’s fine since you got Lebron, but you would think you would have a legit 2nd option with 5 years of losing and that many top 10 picks (including 3 #2’s) and not need 2 more stars with Bron.

The one year deals are fine, but let’s see which “star” they attract because right now while they got a lot better with Bron it’s not just about being a decent team; it’s about using their “LA appeal” to build a legit contender over the next 4 years. And also developing the young guys they actually have not shipped off just yet.

On this we agree. Clock is ticking ...
But not sure why it wouldnt make sense to move on from Russell.
I was with you I felt to early to trade him at the time (i can admit I was wrong unlike many on here) but it was absolutely the right move.
Kuzma is producing Almost Russell type scoring in a limited role. . yes he is overrated on LG (underrated here) but I would say he at the very least is giving us at least 90% of his value.
They are close in age (though Kuz was just a rook), Kyle is cheaper and has no knee issues. by All objective accounts that is a great trade.

I agree that Ingram has to break out because by reports Lakers refused to include Ingram in any Paul George trades. He needs to at least be worth that.
THE Kawhi trade talks are so conlficting tough to know what is true. Some say Lakers wont deal Ingram others say asking for BOTH Kuzma/Ingram is what shut the deal down.
Either way best way to build a contender is to have someone outplay their contract. Ingram to me more than Lonzo has that chance.
OF course if KL was healthy I would deal Ingram for KL be stupid not to ... but with that injury ...rather give Ingram a chance to develop in to a #2. And roll the dice he eventually comes or we get another star.

As for the drafts ...Again As i said at the time only one player in Russell's draft was a franchise player (Towns)...and Lakers drafted #2. Its easy to say Lakers should have more of a star but after KP's injury and Word that Butler thinks KAT is lazy that may be the worse draft of the past 5 years. Mudiay,Oakafor, HEzonja and Russell have all left their teams. Only other picks of any value is Myles Turner and he is not tearing up the NBA either.
The point is when the draft is bad you cant fault the Lakers when only one star is in it and they picked 2nd.

Bsides Russell was drafted by Mitch, again previous regime.
Only incomplete so far, is Lonzo and even if that turns out to be a loss all the other moves have been aces.

[Killakobe81]

A laker fan calling SA not a FA destination when LMA had offer from LA and SA on the table and ran from LA. LA, had max cap space and had to sign Deng and Mozgov with all their “FA appeal”

Previous regime.
Also I did not want Aldridge at max said so at the time and I know you remember because you said it was the price of business.
Sure you guys won FA (and yet where has that led?) and that is part of why Maginka was brought in.
As i said then And I will update now only guys I thinnk are truly worth max: Bron, Harden, healthy KL, KD, Russ, steph, Gianni and Unibrow everyone else being paid max are overpaid. Including Embiid, Conley Wall etc.
Y'all did us a favor.
Thank you ...

[TD 21]

Good deal, but I prefer the 4th season is a team option or partial guarantee. Either way, it's not a big deal though. He's still youngish and despite coming off a somewhat disappointing season (difficult to judge a lot of players in that situation, particularly in the playoffs), if he plays up to his potential, at worst this is a neutral contract and at best a value one.

He'll now receive one half of the equation to playing up his potential, which is a rotation spot. Now he just needs a play maker or two to play off of.

To put $5M annually in perspective, the MLE (average salary) this season stars at 8.64M and because its a by-product of the cap, it usually incrementally increases.

[MoSpur02]

Well Mbah a Moute has signed with the Clippers for one year for $4.3 million.

[DPG21920]

Previous regime.
Also I did not want Aldridge at max said so at the time and I know you remember because you said it was the price of business.
Sure you guys won FA (and yet where has that led?) and that is part of why Maginka was brought in.
As i said then And I will update now only guys I thinnk are truly worth max: Bron, Harden, healthy KL, KD, Russ, steph, giannis everyone else being paid max are overpaid.
Y'all did us a favor.
Thank you ...

That’s fine but the point was about attracting free agents and SA beat out LA for the same money. La just got Bron though and I’m sure they will Land more.

[Spurs Brazil]

Tom Orsborn
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Tom_orsborn

Word from a league source and the agent for Davis Bertans is that a report saying the #Spurs have reached a deal with the restricted free agent is premature. Progress is being made, for sure, but there's no agreement.

[Down Under]

I think he'd be pretty effective next to LMA & Kawhi. He doesn't need his feet set & has got an ultra quick release on his jumper & shot 40% from 3 his first year when they actually had a creator. His footspeed on the perimeter is actually ok for a PF, he just can't rebound.

[DAF86]

Tom Orsborn
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Tom_orsborn

Word from a league source and the agent for Davis Bertans is that a report saying the #Spurs have reached a deal with the restricted free agent is premature. Progress is being made, for sure, but there's no agreement.

lol

[NASpurs]

Tom Orsborn
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Tom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9287)_orsborn

Word from a league source and the agent for Davis Bertans is that a report saying the #Spurs have reached a deal with the restricted free agent is premature. Progress is being made, for sure, but there's no agreement.

:lol

[DAF86]

The indignation if it ends up being for more money. :lol

[BatManu20]

:lol Figures. Only trust Woj and Shams tbh.


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[spurraider21]

the deal was leaked by bertans' agent so he can scope out SpursTalk evaluations before committing to the deal. by my estimates they will increase their demand to 4/25

[r0drig0lac]

the deal was leaked by bertans' agent so he can scope out SpursTalk evaluations before committing to the deal. by my estimates they will increase their demand to 4/25
lmao sad but true

[BatManu20]

Mr. Body, get in here.


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[Holden_Caulfield]

10 pages of fake news :lol

[Mr. Body]

Thank God.

[ceperez]

What the hell! We've been scammed!!

[Mr. Body]

I have nothing against Bertans. But don't overpay him.

[TheGreatYacht]

Who announced the signing? RealGM?

This is why I only go to Jabari Young for real news.

[HarlemHeat37]

Who announced the signing? RealGM?

This is why I only go to Jabari Young for real news.

:lol

[BillMc]

Wahoo! Oh wait...its fake news. ..

[BSfromTX]

I like Bertans but more than 20 for 4 is not exciting

[noles1983]

Fuck this team if they pay that cuck even more.

[objective]

Every agency thinks they can punk the Spurs, giving them hell

Even RFA agencies are dumping on RC like he won't do anything

[RD2191]

OP :lol

[SAGirl]

Ha!!!!
Is there a chance Bertans signs for more or less? or negotiating details on guarantees or what?
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[SAGirl]

OP :lol
heh?

[SAGirl]

Bertans was extremely bad in that series, but I think it's stupid to negatively judge a bunch of role players asked to play against the best team in recent history without any stars to take pressure off them IMO..

Now, the counter-point would be that this year's team won't be any different in that regard, and I agree with that..however, the goal isn't to beat the Warriors, not even the biggest Spurs homer believes that they could do that:lol this team full of role players matches up horribly against the Warriors..

This team is just trying to stay relevant against the other teams in the West..most of us expected this, Pop isn't going to rebuild in his final years..

I was going to reference your counterpoint.

We can no longer use the Leonard not playing excuse for anybody. They are about to not have Leonard and let's say they get back an Ingram level player... that is not going to really help matters all that much.

[HarlemHeat37]

Every agency thinks they can punk the Spurs, giving them hell

Even RFA agencies are dumping on RC like he won't do anything

Every agent's first move is probably referencing Pau and Mills's deals:lol

[SAGirl]

Bertans about to get a RFA offer sheet from somebody...

:lol I could see RC's vein explode.

[phxspurfan]

Dat Corporate Knowledge doe


Matt Bonner deux

[phxspurfan]

I was going to reference your counterpoint.

We can no longer use the Leonard not playing excuse for anybody. They are about to not have Leonard and let's say they get back an Ingram level player... that is not going to really help matters all that much.

We're not getting Ingram. We're getting Tobias Harris and a pick at the trade deadline in a panic.

[Chomag]

It's official, PATFO spent 19 years stealing credit from TD. Now that he's gone it's clear they don't know wtf they're doing.

[slick'81]

Better not give him more then that reported 5 mil

[024]

I don't think there were many times where I thought Bertans looked like a legit rotational player. He can shoot 3's well enough to continue doing so but everything else is pretty bad.

The contract is a couple years too long... 2 years $10 million sounds better or 3 years, $12 million. With the agent saying negotiations are still ongoing, I can only guess the contract amount will go higher, which is bad. I don't really like this deal but it also won't cripple the Spurs or anything.

[SAGirl]

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[superbigtime]

I like it. Good value, and Bertans has balls. Definitely no pussy.

[rastaspur]

No reaction from me one way or the other. Not a bad contract. But he doesnt move the needle at all.

Hard to get excited about it.

[tbdog]

Well has he signed or not?

[sananspursfan21]

I’m getting a Bonner

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Exactly. I'll never understand the desire to bottom out for a small market team.

I understand. It’s because our fans are fucking retarded.

We struck gold twice with Robinson and Duncan. There’s no guarantee we’d do that again. We’ll likely go the way of Charlotte and Memphis should we tank and not be a true contender for decades. Why not stay relevant if at all possible?

[Marcus Bryant]

I understand. It’s because our fans are fucking retarded.


Huh. I never got that impression reading this forum today. Whatever do you mean?

[SAGirl]

No reaction from me one way or the other. Not a bad contract. But he doesnt move the needle at all.

Hard to get excited about it.

Kind of how I feel about it too. It's meh.

[Vic Petro]

4 year/$21 million offer sheet incoming

[Arcadian]

At least he can shoot 3s.

[DJR210]

Well has he signed or not?

Nothing on Spurs.com

[kobyz]

Another stupid overpay, is he a better than an omri casspi who got minimum money?

[stu scotts eye]

Meeeeelllltttttddddoooowwwwnnnnnn

Ive seen this analysis by tholdren before! Broken record....

[cutewizard]

:bobo

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The Bertans deal isn't a lock to happen just yet. He's still a restricted free agent who can seek offer sheets from other teams like Anderson just did.

[K...]

So if I have this right, they have an agreement, but only if Bert gets no better offers, he's free to get more $$

[spurraider21]

So if I have this right, they have an agreement, but only if Bert gets no better offers, he's free to get more $$
done deal

[bklynspursfan]

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[tholdren]

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Dude is ripped.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dude is ripped.
He's shaped like an inferior specimen that plays fortnite all day.

[tholdren]

He's shaped like an inferior specimen that plays fortnite all day.

I love how his head is wider than shoulders just like anderson

[TD 21]

According to Charania, the deal is 2/$14.5M.

[Ron Swanson]

Shams: 2 years for $14.5 million.

[Gibbz]

That's a lot of money. Guess he's gonna be a feature player.

[DPG21920]

Have to wait and see the detail on that 2nd year but this is actually much worse than 4/20 :lol

[DPG21920]

What are the Spurs doing man.

[Mugen]

:lol just wow.

[Robz4000]

What are the Spurs doing man.

I don't think they even know. Start up the tank I guess.

[Spurs da champs]

I love how his head is wider than shoulders just like anderson

:lmao

[slick'81]

Rotflmao 7 mil !? For wat :lol

[DAF86]

And folks were bitching at THIS contract :lol

[SPURt]

Dude is ripped.
Haha! Someone grab the tape!

[**BUSTA**]

These 2 year signings align with Pop's retirement , when only Patty Mills will have a guaranteed contract.
Spurs suck 2 more years before rebuild. Pop goes on to lead Team USA to epic fail, like his mentor Larry Brown.
When Spurs recover is unknown.

[Spurs da champs]

And folks were bitching at THIS contract :lol

This contract was reasonable. SMH, no fucking clue what they're think about this deal, gotta hope 2nd year is a partial gurantee & or team option.

[Hoops Czar]

RC getting punched in the face by a no name player and his agent. Never trust a drunk, soft ass, pot smoking tool of a GM who graduated from Friends University. :lol

[DPG21920]

Well ya dude, losing Kawhi sucks and any team would take a blow. But, you can already see what SA is doing. They have Lonnie, White, Murray so they are building on the fly with youth around LMA.

All the other deals besides the young guys are 1 or 2 year. They project to have some serious cap space next year even if they don’t trade Mills.

I don’t know any team that could lose a Kawhi level player and still be more than a 8th to 10th seed. Hell, OKC lost KD and still had Russ/PG and they weren’t any better and their cap situation, like HOU’s, is absolutely horrific.

People really need to do a reality check (not just you). I mean, I get it, this is a tough time, but SA was still a WCF when Kawhi wasn’t a b*tch and are in such a better spot than nearly every other team despite losing their superstar out of no where.

They actually already have some promising youth despite winning so much (HOU has none, NO has none, OKC has some), they are in a great spot cap wise moving forward to adjust/rebuild (HOU and OKC are totally boned, GS is boned) and they still have a chance to get some additional assets for Kawhi.

It’s not ideal but I honestly have no idea how people can be upset with SA overall. They aren’t perfect but if you compare them to damn near everyone else they look a hell of a lot more competent IMO.

Pau/Mills sucked and were bad decisions but even those were born out of loyalty and opportunity trying to win big for Kawhi/Lma. They came up empty while still adding youth and being really good, but even their bad (which to me, Pau/Mills are the only LEGIT gripes) was due to them trying to take the big swings that all of us asked them to do.

Dude Bertans has been a steal and I wish he was on that 20/4 deal so damn bad

[Chinook]

Would have been a really nice deal. Too bad Vlade screwed PATFO over.

[DPG21920]

Would have been a really nice deal. Too bad Vlade screwed PATFO over.

So frustrating. I knew it immediately that it went from a good deal to a no win deal. Sucks. But either way he’s balling

[Hoops Czar]

Well ya dude, losing Kawhi sucks and any team would take a blow. But, you can already see what SA is doing. They have Lonnie, White, Murray so they are building on the fly with youth around LMA.

All the other deals besides the young guys are 1 or 2 year. They project to have some serious cap space next year even if they don’t trade Mills.

I don’t know any team that could lose a Kawhi level player and still be more than a 8th to 10th seed. Hell, OKC lost KD and still had Russ/PG and they weren’t any better and their cap situation, like HOU’s, is absolutely horrific.

People really need to do a reality check (not just you). I mean, I get it, this is a tough time, but SA was still a WCF when Kawhi wasn’t a b*tch and are in such a better spot than nearly every other team despite losing their superstar out of no where.

They actually already have some promising youth despite winning so much (HOU has none, NO has none, OKC has some), they are in a great spot cap wise moving forward to adjust/rebuild (HOU and OKC are totally boned, GS is boned) and they still have a chance to get some additional assets for Kawhi.

It’s not ideal but I honestly have no idea how people can be upset with SA overall. They aren’t perfect but if you compare them to damn near everyone else they look a hell of a lot more competent IMO.

Pau/Mills sucked and were bad decisions but even those were born out of loyalty and opportunity trying to win big for Kawhi/Lma. They came up empty while still adding youth and being really good, but even their bad (which to me, Pau/Mills are the only LEGIT gripes) was due to them trying to take the big swings that all of us asked them to do.


Kevin Durant and CP3? SMDayumHead, Spurs never had a snowball's chanced of signing either one of them. CP3 never gave them the time of day and Durant had all but eliminated the Spurs before the offseason began. The so called franchise player couldn't even extend a phone call to CP3 and didn't even show up for the Durant meeting.

Now if you're talking about the big swing for Iggy... Yeah, that was gut punch (not for me) but a very predictable outcome.

[sasaint]

Would have been a really nice deal. Too bad Vlade screwed PATFO over.

So frustrating. I knew it immediately that it went from a good deal to a no win deal. Sucks. But either way he’s balling

What deal are you talking about? I'm guessing old not current.

[DPG21920]

What deal are you talking about? I'm guessing old not current.

Original reported deal was 20M for 4 years. Then SAC made an offer and SA had to shift to more annually and shorter.

[Chinook]

What deal are you talking about? I'm guessing old not current.

... The deal reported in the OP

[sasaint]

Oh, thanks guys. I just don't want to miss any news...

[spurraider21]

as a guy playing 20+ minutes per game off the bench and being a 6'10 sharpshooter, he's adequately priced with his current deal. would have been a bargain at 4/20

i'm glad pop finally decided to let the guy play consistent minutes

[DAF86]

Folks were actually bitching about locking Bertans for 4 years at 5 millions per. :lmao

[lmbebo]

Guess David Griffin tried hard to trade the Spurs for him when he was the GM in cleveland.

[bklynspursfan]

Folks were actually bitching about locking Bertans for 4 years at 5 millions per. :lmao

Funny reading some of the stuff in here. He had to grow a bit and he has so far. More than just a shooter. Made more sense having him than Anderson (if that was ever a decision) , I'm glad they locked him up

[Mr. Body]

I thought he was a lost cause. Dude has totally proven me wrong. Kudos to him.

[Atl Spur]

I thought he was a lost cause. Dude has totally proven me wrong. Kudos to him.

You are only one of few dudes will admit when they were wrong.....respect!

[TheGreatYacht]

Not sure why this is bumped today of all days lol

[kjhip1]

I’m impressed with his ability to move his feet on D and not back down

[BillMc]

Dude is mentally tough (as I've always said). Lost a finger, two major knee injuries, still a solid rotational player in the NBA. :flag:

[spurraider21]

Not sure why this is bumped today of all days lol
because he played well

lol box score fans

[John B]

The growth on this team is just contagious, like everybody has a chip on his shoulder. Every single player...

[BillMc]

The growth on this team is just contagious, like everybody has a chip on his shoulder. Every single player...

Yep. watching Bryn, Davis, Jakob, and especially White improve is really a joy to behold. And the growing synergy they have with DeMar and LMA is really impressive.

[John B]

Yep. watching Bryn, Davis, Jakob, and especially White improve is really a joy to behold. And the growing synergy they have with DeMar and LMA is really impressive.
Cancer is gone I guess.. no seriously Spurs genuinely look like they're enjoying playing together, and winning. LMA beasting it low, no qualms on who's scoring. Tbh Demar is setting a good example distributing, rebounding and just making good plays instead of just scoring. It's fun rooting for these guys when everybody pretty much already crossed them out.

[BillMc]

Cancer is gone I guess.. no seriously Spurs genuinely look like they're enjoying playing together, and winning. LMA beasting it low, no qualms on who's scoring. Tbh Demar is setting a good example distributing, rebounding and just making good plays instead of just scoring. It's fun rooting for these guys when everybody pretty much already crossed them out.

100% agree

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1082475285872807947

[Manufan909]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1082475285872807947

If he somehow turns into a greater passer because of his gravity, that'd be nuts.

I just like how Bertans meet Griffin in the air. He truly gives no fucks.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Manu and Parker leaving has let the young guns step up. Nice to see. He and Forbes are looking better and better. Glad to be proven wrong on those two.

[DAF86]

If he somehow turns into a greater passer because of his gravity, that'd be nuts.

I just like how Bertans meet Griffin in the air. He truly gives no fucks.

Bertans is an underrated passer, tbh.

I know I have said this of him many times: underrated passer, underrated defender, etc.:lol But it's just that I have seen him from before getting to the NBA and I know that some of the things he's starting to display aren't flukes.

Dude is a complete baller, he just needed minutes and confidence to show it. I still think he has a lot more to show at the NBA level. Like I said before, if Pop started to draw and call some plays for him to come out of screens, he could unlock his true potential.

[pgardn]

Not sure why this is bumped today of all days lol

Did you watch the game lesser floating turd?

[DAF86]

If Bertans makes the leap I expect him to make this upcoming season, folks will be popping champagne bottles, celebrating the fact that we signed him for 5 millions per season for the next 4 years.

If only this would have been the deal. :(

[DAF86]

And porzingis already has a leg injury (which I predicted), so No a smart team doesn't do that.
Deng and Mozgof were already on books Maginka just righted a previous wrong which was... Savvy. Yall righted a wrong by extending pau... Not so savvy.

No doubt your team has been better run overall the past 20 years. But the last two? I WILL take Maginka over what I have seen from PATFO since Duncan left...

Hey Killakobe81, remember that time that I said that you had said that the Lakers FO was doing better than PATFO and you said you didn't? I found it, tbh. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1082475285872807947
Oh, and hey look, I can hit balls off a tee and shag fly balls in the field: I'm basically Mike Trout.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1082475285872807947

alpha

[playbonner15]

Can't wait for Point Forward form of Bertans!

[sasaint]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1082475285872807947

Very droll. I love it. He is blossoming.

[UncleDennis]

If he somehow turns into a greater passer because of his gravity, that'd be nuts.

I just like how Bertans meet Griffin in the air. He truly gives no fucks.

For real, as soon as Griffin saw Bertans on him he went for the crazy dunk immediately, to me whether Griffin made the shot/dunk or not wasn't the point but that Bertans was so eager to challenge Griffin no matter the circumstance. He let him feel him on any attempt and that's all you can ask for.

I'm so glad that Kyle is gone and Bertans and White are getting those minutes.

[BackHome]

I think that as he gets more minutes his game will go up another notch he just needs to finally believe he belongs in the NBA. He has very good handles I would like to see some more pump fakes take it to the rim and mid range but I do love watching his 3 rain down.

[spurraider21]

For real, as soon as Griffin saw Bertans on him he went for the crazy dunk immediately, to me whether Griffin made the shot/dunk or not wasn't the point but that Bertans was so eager to challenge Griffin no matter the circumstance. He let him feel him on any attempt and that's all you can ask for.

I'm so glad that Kyle is gone and Bertans and White are getting those minutes.
imagine we kept kyle and there was a lineup with him and cunningham :lol

[TD 21]

Bertans is an underrated passer, tbh.

I know I have said this of him many times: underrated passer, underrated defender, etc.:lol But it's just that I have seen him from before getting to the NBA and I know that some of the things he's starting to display aren't flukes.

Dude is a complete baller, he just needed minutes and confidence to show it. I still think he has a lot more to show at the NBA level. Like I said before, if Pop started to draw and call some plays for him to come out of screens, he could unlock his true potential.

He's only not proclaimed these things because of stereotypes. He's regarded as a stretch 4 and they're typically synonymous with specialists. He's 6'10'' and anyone that size who can pass always has the qualification of good "for a big man". He's scrawny, white, "redheaded" and European, all of which is automatically equated to being a poor defender.

[phxspurfan]

why is this bumped? He didn't just sign any extension.

[UncleDennis]

imagine we kept kyle and there was a lineup with him and cunningham :lol

haha... I believe in Cunninghams 3 point shot more then Kyles thats for sure.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DBertans_42/status/1106283761459695616

[Rusty]

Poor man’s Kevin Love

[spurraider21]

:lmao people were upset about 4/20

[ZeusWillJudge]

Bertans Tweet and Article

Thanks, Ace. Really. That's a great article, and I never would have seen it if you hadn't posted.

I love Bertans' fire and aggression, and I really wish Pop would have let him show it more. My favorite moment of his early time here was the game where he came to a teammate's defense and got himself ejected. I know getting ejected doesn't help the team, but I think maybe the message Davis sent was sort of a counter to the "soft" label that Pop himself used so many times. Davis is a guy who could get under the other team's skin, and get them to start making mistakes. Danny Ainge was a master of that. I hated him for it, but I also had to admit that he was effective. Pop put Bertans in his doghouse after that incident, and I think it did more harm than good for the team.

[GAustex]

Thanks, Ace. Really. That's a great article, and I never would have seen it if you hadn't posted.

I love Bertans' fire and aggression, and I really wish Pop would have let him show it more. My favorite moment of his early time here was the game where he came to a teammate's defense and got himself ejected. I know getting ejected doesn't help the team, but I think maybe the message Davis sent was sort of a counter to the "soft" label that Pop himself used so many times. Davis is a guy who could get under the other team's skin, and get them to start making mistakes. Danny Ainge was a master of that. I hated him for it, but I also had to admit that he was effective. Pop put Bertans in his doghouse after that incident, and I think it did more harm than good for the team.
I remember that incident
Bertrans bowed up to Greg Monroe
Davis would of got squashed
Pop put him in the doghouse

[timtonymanu]

:lmao people were upset about 4/20

Some were willing to pay Fathead what Memphis offered lol

[Play Boban]

Some were willing to pay Fathead what Memphis offered lol
Spermfan aren’t the brightest bunch tbh.

[offset formation]

https://twitter.com/DBertans_42/status/1106283761459695616

Solid. Thanks for posting.

:bobo

[ZeusWillJudge]

I remember that incident
Bertrans bowed up to Greg Monroe
Davis would of got squashed
Pop put him in the doghouse

LOL. Have you seen any clips of Davis in Europe? He's a damn honey badger. I know Monroe is bigger, but honey badger don't care. I can pretty much guarantee you that Monroe wouldn't have walked away feeling like a winner. Read the article that was linked in Ace's post, and read what his brother said about Davis' temper.

Anyway, I wish Pop had let Bertans play a little bit of the enforcer role. I think it would have made the team better. Mario Elie had that junkyard dog mentality, and I think it did a lot to make that team tougher.

[XDT76]

Thanks, Ace. Really. That's a great article, and I never would have seen it if you hadn't posted.

I love Bertans' fire and aggression, and I really wish Pop would have let him show it more. My favorite moment of his early time here was the game where he came to a teammate's defense and got himself ejected. I know getting ejected doesn't help the team, but I think maybe the message Davis sent was sort of a counter to the "soft" label that Pop himself used so many times. Davis is a guy who could get under the other team's skin, and get them to start making mistakes. Danny Ainge was a master of that. I hated him for it, but I also had to admit that he was effective. Pop put Bertans in his doghouse after that incident, and I think it did more harm than good for the team.

Learn from Timmy, you crush him on the court not get yourself ejected and made your team short-handed.

[UnWantedTheory]

Learn from Timmy, you crush him on the court not get yourself ejected and made your team short-handed.There are roles, and Timmy played his. He was a superstar and the team needed him at all times, so it was different. I am not sure Davis could be an enforcer, but to deny the potential contributions of such a role is silly.

[GusT15]

There are roles, and Timmy played his. He was a superstar and the team needed him at all times, so it was different. I am not sure Davis could be an enforcer, but to deny the potential contributions of such a role is silly.

The enforcer type player is needed when a team wants to take the "mental" advantage from the opposition.When the refs disrespect you,when other teams enforcers try to bully you and take you off your game.

The Spurs have needed that advantage multiple times in the past,some times they managed to bully teams and win series (hip check to Nash,Bowen making opposing guards shit their pants),and sometimes they failed.

In my honest opinion though,ever since the Spurs went from the team from San Antonio who had a chance for the title,to the Spurs Golden standard of an NBA franchise,ever since Popovich went from another good NBA coach to the most respected (and many times feared) non player figure in the league,the Spurs don't really need an enforcer.They just have to play the better basketball from the other team and they'll win.

For example,let's take Serge Ibaka,a moronic player who wants to play the enforcer role.
He engages in fist fights 2-3 times per year.Last year it was Robin Lopez,this year it's Chriss.When he was in OKC he got into it against Portland's LMA.It's just Portland so they got tangled up together and went back and forth.
Last year with Toronto in San Antonio Ibaka tried to start shit with Aldridge again,in a close game.Big difference,the logo in LMA's jersey was a Spur and not whatever Portland has.Ibaka got pushed away and did jack shit.

Tim Duncan was the one player who couldn't be bullied and he has shaped this franchise to be the living embodiment of his identity.I dunno how long it's going to last but we're still respected.
When Nephew got Zaza'd,Pop gave an interview that in today's NBA media would say he went too far,and the Warriors players would stand up for their teammate.And nobody said shit.Silver went down to the locker room before we were eliminated thanked the Spurs and apologized for lack of protection.Next year he enforced the undercutting rule in full effect with video replay.

Bertans needs to hit his 3's and keep his cool.We don't need an enforcer,we need him to play his role at 110%.

[ceperez]

https://twitter.com/DBertans_42/status/1106283761459695616

Very nice. Puts in perspective the blue collar mentality of this sharp shooter.

I got no doubt that he's going to learn how to play defense.

[John B]

https://twitter.com/DBertans_42/status/1106283761459695616
Remarkable story. Very Spursy in overcoming situations, not just once but throughout life and basketball. He is fast becoming one of my favorite Spurs. The guy’s 3’s are not only quick but lethal. But now he added penetration, rebounding, pushing the ball on a fastbreak, closing out. His 1st step isn’t even bad with quick fake to the left then bursting to the right, would make his defender thinking twice to overplay him. He’s not just an athletic Bonner, but much more and still getting better.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Learn from Timmy, you crush him on the court not get yourself ejected and made your team short-handed.

Bertans needs to hit his 3's and keep his cool.We don't need an enforcer,we need him to play his role at 110%.


Thank you Milli and Vanilli, for having the
courage to share your little world with us.
Never change. Never, ever change.

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/two-funny-schoolgirls-school-uniforms-450w-1216288279.jpg

[GusT15]

Thank you Milli and Vanilli, for having the
courage to share your little world with us.
Never change. Never, ever change.

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/two-funny-schoolgirls-school-uniforms-450w-1216288279.jpg

https://media1.tenor.com/images/86e3d2a0e10f9a3acd9482ce92f751a3/tenor.gif

[ceperez]

Remarkable story. Very Spursy in overcoming situations, not just once but throughout life and basketball. He is fast becoming one of my favorite Spurs. The guy’s 3’s are not only quick but lethal. But now he added penetration, rebounding, pushing the ball on a fastbreak, closing out. His 1st step isn’t even bad with quick fake to the left then bursting to the right, would make his defender thinking twice to overplay him. He’s not just an athletic Bonner, but much more and still getting better.

Honestly, he doesn't get to do anything on offense unless someone (usually White) passes him the ball in the right spot.

Aldridge and DeRozan who get most of the touches are terrible facilitators! This is why the Spurs aren't as good as they should be!

[John B]

Honestly, he doesn't get to do anything on offense unless someone (usually White) passes him the ball in the right spot.

Aldridge and DeRozan who get most of the touches are terrible facilitators! This is why the Spurs aren't as good as they should be!
The slam on Mavs was punishing an overplaying, and I’ve seen him rebound and push the tempo several times. He has added to his offensive arsenal and no longer just a catch and shoot like Bonner.

[XDT76]

Thank you Milli and Vanilli, for having the
courage to share your little world with us.
Never change. Never, ever change.

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/two-funny-schoolgirls-school-uniforms-450w-1216288279.jpg
Oh so now championships are won by players that are suspended instead of those playing on court. Sorry didn't know about this change. I just remembered the only year that warriors won a championship against the cavaliers was when their enforcer draymond was suspended.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Oh so now championships are won by players that are suspended instead of those playing on court. Sorry didn't know about this change. I just remembered the only year that warriors won a championship against the cavaliers was when their enforcer draymond was suspended.


Kevin Willis says "Hi". Actually, Kevin Willis says "Fuck off".

[UnWantedTheory]

The enforcer type player is needed when a team wants to take the "mental" advantage from the opposition.When the refs disrespect you,when other teams enforcers try to bully you and take you off your game.

The Spurs have needed that advantage multiple times in the past,some times they managed to bully teams and win series (hip check to Nash,Bowen making opposing guards shit their pants),and sometimes they failed.

In my honest opinion though,ever since the Spurs went from the team from San Antonio who had a chance for the title,to the Spurs Golden standard of an NBA franchise,ever since Popovich went from another good NBA coach to the most respected (and many times feared) non player figure in the league,the Spurs don't really need an enforcer.They just have to play the better basketball from the other team and they'll win.

For example,let's take Serge Ibaka,a moronic player who wants to play the enforcer role.
He engages in fist fights 2-3 times per year.Last year it was Robin Lopez,this year it's Chriss.When he was in OKC he got into it against Portland's LMA.It's just Portland so they got tangled up together and went back and forth.
Last year with Toronto in San Antonio Ibaka tried to start shit with Aldridge again,in a close game.Big difference,the logo in LMA's jersey was a Spur and not whatever Portland has.Ibaka got pushed away and did jack shit.

Tim Duncan was the one player who couldn't be bullied and he has shaped this franchise to be the living embodiment of his identity.I dunno how long it's going to last but we're still respected.
When Nephew got Zaza'd,Pop gave an interview that in today's NBA media would say he went too far,and the Warriors players would stand up for their teammate.And nobody said shit.Silver went down to the locker room before we were eliminated thanked the Spurs and apologized for lack of protection.Next year he enforced the undercutting rule in full effect with video replay.

Bertans needs to hit his 3's and keep his cool.We don't need an enforcer,we need him to play his role at 110%.I didn't mean to come across as if I was advocating for Bertans to be an "enforcer" or a serious need of one. I merely stated to XDT76 that an "enforcer" type could be advantageous at times for any team.

[GusT15]

I didn't mean to come across as if I was advocating for Bertans to be an "enforcer" or a serious need of one. I merely stated to XDT76 that an "enforcer" type could be advantageous at times for any team.

Well you're right and i get what you're saying but the point i was trying to make is that the need of said enforcer is becoming so less and less frequently needed in today's NBA and especially for the Spurs,that the role itself is basically going extinct.

The closest thing to an actual enforcer today is a guy like Steven Adams.He will try to get his team the mental edge by overpowering opposition and controlling scuffles.But he has to do it in such of a politically correct way so his team doesn't lose him with a flagrant 2 that the role loses it's original meaning.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Well you're right and i get what you're saying but the point i was trying to make is that the need of said enforcer is becoming so less and less frequently needed in today's NBA and especially for the Spurs,that the role itself is basically going extinct.

The closest thing to an actual enforcer today is a guy like Steven Adams.He will try to get his team the mental edge by overpowering opposition and controlling scuffles.But he has to do it in such of a politically correct way so his team doesn't lose him with a flagrant 2 that the role loses it's original meaning.


I would give a testicle to have a prime Rasheed Wallace on this roster right now. Of course, it's easier for me since mine grow back.

I already mentioned the role that Mario Elie played, and Kevin Willis. Tony Massenberg, too. I get the feeling that a lot of you don't even know (without looking it up) who the Bruise Brothers even were. Draymond Green has done a pretty good version of it. There is always a place for a tough guy/enforcer in the NBA. Nobody said anything about being some kind of serial killer who can't stay in a damn game. Well, you and a couple of your buddies did... but nobody who counts.


In case you haven't noticed, sometimes Pop gets himself ejected. How is that good for the team if he's really the GOAT coach? It's because it can pay dividends, if you know when to play the card. He's called his own teams out for being "soft" many times over the years. Not mentally weak... soft. Bertans was looking out for a teammate. That also pays dividends, and Pop was an asshole for doing his doghouse routine over it.

[GusT15]

I would give a testicle to have a prime Rasheed Wallace on this roster right now. Of course, it's easier for me since mine grow back.

I already mentioned the role that Mario Elie played, and Kevin Willis. Tony Massenberg, too. I get the feeling that a lot of you don't even know (without looking it up) who the Bruise Brothers even were. Draymond Green has done a pretty good version of it. There is always a place for a tough guy/enforcer in the NBA. Nobody said anything about being some kind of serial killer who can't stay in a damn game. Well, you and a couple of your buddies did... but nobody who counts.


In case you haven't noticed, sometimes Pop gets himself ejected. How is that good for the team if he's really the GOAT coach? It's because it can pay dividends, if you know when to play the card. He's called his own teams out for being "soft" many times over the years. Not mentally weak... soft. Bertans was looking out for a teammate. That also pays dividends, and Pop was an asshole for doing his doghouse routine over it.


I feel we are on different wavelengths on this argument my good sir.You are looking at it from a romantic,old school point of view while i am being more pragmatic,more adjusted to today.

Nobody is arguing with you about the value of the tough,"stand up for my teammates",no easy basket made on my watch,"don't push cause i'll push back" type of player historically in the NBA and in Basketball in general.
These are the type of players that give an identity to the entire team,they push their team to not give up,to always hustle,to never back down from anybody and in general they try to instill "fear" to the opposition while letting their teammates know at all times "i got your back".

The today version of the NBA,unfortunately,has less and less room for such players.I am not endorsing the current state of the game friend.I am simply observing and pointing it out.
We have a league of teams that shoot 40 3's a game.We have players that care more about getting to the free throw line than making the basket.We have players that will let their man dunk alone instead of challenging him just cause if they fail they will be ridiculed for being posterized on twitter.They even call it "making business decisions" instead of being a pussy that played no defense.

This is the game today.An enforcer cannot have the same effect he did 30 years ago in today's league.If you want a player like Bertans to try and play the way he was playing in Europe,he'll get thrown out of the game faster than you can say "ejection".
The man was ejected for arguing a foul in Memphis for crying out loud.He gets zero respect from the refs.I prefer him in the game making his 3's cause he is elite at them,instead of getting sent to the locker room.

Also,i think you are vastly overrating Draymond Green in the enforcer role.In my honest opinion he is more of a dirty,sneaky defender than an enforcer.He comes off more as a fake tough guy than an actual tough guy.

With all due respect,is this the enforcer of 2020? Slow dancing with the enemy?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrpZJ8Vr3aA

[ZeusWillJudge]

I feel we are on different wavelengths on this argument my good sir.You are looking at it from a romantic,old school point of view while i am being more pragmatic,more adjusted to today.

Nobody is arguing with you about the value of the tough,"stand up for my teammates",no easy basket made on my watch,"don't push cause i'll push back" type of player historically in the NBA and in Basketball in general.
These are the type of players that give an identity to the entire team,they push their team to not give up,to always hustle,to never back down from anybody and in general they try to instill "fear" to the opposition while letting their teammates know at all times "i got your back".

The today version of the NBA,unfortunately,has less and less room for such players.I am not endorsing the current state of the game friend.I am simply observing and pointing it out.
We have a league of teams that shoot 40 3's a game.We have players that care more about getting to the free throw line than making the basket.We have players that will let their man dunk alone instead of challenging him just cause if they fail they will be ridiculed for being posterized on twitter.They even call it "making business decisions" instead of being a pussy that played no defense.

This is the game today.An enforcer cannot have the same effect he did 30 years ago in today's league.If you want a player like Bertans to try and play the way he was playing in Europe,he'll get thrown out of the game faster than you can say "ejection".
The man was ejected for arguing a foul in Memphis for crying out loud.He gets zero respect from the refs.I prefer him in the game making his 3's cause he is elite at them,instead of getting sent to the locker room.

Also,i think you are vastly overrating Draymond Green in the enforcer role.In my honest opinion he is more of a dirty,sneaky defender than an enforcer.He comes off more as a fake tough guy than an actual tough guy.

With all due respect,is this the enforcer of 2020? Slow dancing with the enemy?



Read the first sentence. Lost interest. You should talk to your doctor about Low-T.

[GusT15]

Read the first sentence. Lost interest. You should talk to your doctor about Low-T.


While certainly.
I have noticed in other instances as well that you talk about disrespect and try to insult someone on the personal level when you cannot deal with a more valid,logical basketball take than your own.

So,since more evidence further imply that you are nothing but a basement dwelling,ignorant,trolling little bitch i'd very much appreciate it if you go back to romanticizing about your mother and fapping to the pictures of 12 year old girls online.

In other words,fuck off you moron,don't ever quote me again.

[XDT76]

Kevin Willis says "Hi". Actually, Kevin Willis says "Fuck off".

Yeah and Spurs lost the game that he was ejected. Jordan and Pippen has to wrestle and pin Rodman to the floors tells u how much more valuable a player is on the court than get ejected. Duncan owns DMC and Ginobilli putting Garnett on his back with a block shows you how to react to the on court bullies. Not charging in shoving the guy and giving them 2 free throws and get yourself thrown out of the game. If you think the reason Bertans was in the doghouse because he stand-up for his teammate then I don't think there is anymore point in me replying to you.

[John B]

Bertans story was long over due. The kid is a Spur written all-over him. The kid is a feel-good story, overcoming every adversity. Freaking lost a finger in his shooting hand? ACL injuries twice? The kid is more than a fighter. He is a winner. He is becoming one of my favorite Spurs. I bet he would’ve knocked the Curry brothers out in the 3-pt contest but it was in front of daddy’s home court. I expect him to be in the 3pt contest in Chicago next year though, maybe with his brother Dairis. With Demar, Aldridge and now White all attacking the rim, I expect Bertans to be more open. And you know he’ll just let it fly.

[R. DeMurre]

Draymond Green is usually valuable in spite of, not because of his tough guy antics. He can guard multiple positions, distribute, rebound. But he's also the only guy in the history of the NBA who ruined his team's chance of claiming "greatest season ever" with stupid behavior after multiple technicals and flagrants in the playoffs. He himself says he thinks he cost the Warriors a championship that year, but also says he would do it again, because " I'm a man, and that'll always take precedence over any basketball game."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24952146/the-warriors-draymond-green-kevin-durant-steph-curry-future-golden-state-dynasty

[Chucho]

While certainly.
I have noticed in other instances as well that you talk about disrespect and try to insult someone on the personal level when you cannot deal with a more valid,logical basketball take than your own.

So,since more evidence further imply that you are nothing but a basement dwelling,ignorant,trolling little bitch i'd very much appreciate it if you go back to romanticizing about your mother and fapping to the pictures of 12 year old girls online.

In other words,fuck off you moron,don't ever quote me again.

:rollin

[slick'81]

Dude's gonna want a big pay bump after next season

[XDT76]

Dude's gonna want a big pay bump after next season

He is not the only one, Murray, Poeltl and Whites contract are all expiring soon.

[NameLess Scrub]

It's incredible that he shoots so well with half a finger, and it's refreshing to see he can also attack the basket aggressively.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1136414954775560197

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1136414954775560197

Nice!

[slick'81]

Dude should not get a penny over 7 mil.if this season proved anytging dude needs to get much stronger

[BackHome]

Pop did put him in the dog house for standing up for his team mate I hate that about Pop. Also I have always liked Bertans but Unless Poop takes the leash off him he will never be the player he should be. So if he is not going to use him right at least try and trade him for something.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Pop did put him in the dog house for standing up for his team mate I hate that about Pop. Also I have always liked Bertans but Unless Poop takes the leash off him he will never be the player he should be. So if he is not going to use him right at least try and trade him for something.I do think they trade him this offseason probably package him with one of the picks and another player.

[cjw]

Pop did put him in the dog house for standing up for his team mate I hate that about Pop. Also I have always liked Bertans but Unless Poop takes the leash off him he will never be the player he should be. So if he is not going to use him right at least try and trade him for something.

Pop didn’t put him in the doghouse.

Denver is literally the worst matchup in the league for him given their size. Bertans is very playable against much of the rest of the league.

[look_at_g_shred]

Pop didn’t put him in the doghouse.

Denver is literally the worst matchup in the league for him given their size. Bertans is very playable against much of the rest of the league.
So was mills and beli but there they were

[horseshue]

I do think they trade him this offseason probably package him with one of the picks and another player.

If they trade him, who is gonna shoot the ball?

[tbdog]

So was mills and beli but there they were

Spurs had no other options. We were playing a 8 man rotation ffs.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

If they trade him, who is gonna shoot the ball?I don't know, maybe the person they would trade him for.

[Gamechannel]

I don't think he gets traded. If anything he will get a bigger role next season me thinks.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I like his fearlessness with shooting during the regular season but the guy can be on most nights a defensive liability.. he isn't strong enough to guard most real 4's and he isnt quick enough to guard most real 3's. I'm not even talking about ultra strong or quick guys, just some what strong and quick guys he has issues with. We've all seen too many times how decent to good offensive players attack like a shark does when it's blood in the water when he is checking them. Sometimes it works in our favor because it can kill the flow of opponents offense but good players take advantage of his weaknesses and great players feast on them.

He is a good weak side defender but man to man he struggles. He actually runs the court good but his lateral quickness is average at best. His best bet (which is hard for his body type) is to try and get stronger and add a bit of muscle. He will never get quicker or have a good wingspan but he can get stronger with some hours in the gym.

Pau had issues against Boston in the finals the Lakers lost but he hit the gym during the off season got stronger and played better against them and the league the following years. Davis doesn't have to get yoked up but he does need to get stronger

[TheGreatYacht]

He's trash. 3yr/21M was 21 million too much. Choking sob

[spurraider21]

He's trash. 3yr/21M was 21 million too much. Choking sob
he didnt sign for 3 years

[pad300]

he didnt sign for 3 years

This is TGY, he drinks heavily before posting...

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/WashWizards/status/1200465723727892480

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1202758162736128006

[ace3g]

Good seeing him running off screens for 3!!!!

[FkLA]

https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1202755736117362688

Poop overvaluing his pets and throwing in guys like Green and Bert as fillers. :lol

[spurs1990]

In an alternate universe Gregg sends Marco to Toronto and Forbes to Washington.

White
Green
DeRozan
Aldridge
Poetle

Murray
Mills
Walker
Gay
Bertans

That team goes to the playoffs 23 straight.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1202755736117362688

Poop overvaluing his pets and throwing in guys like Green and Bert as fillers. :lol

the current team with Bertans and Green instead of Marco and Forbes would have absurd potential (and yes, the mere presence of Forbes and Marco is completely negative)

[Floyd Pacquiao]

https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1202755736117362688

Poop overvaluing his pets and throwing in guys like Green and Bert as fillers. :lol

What a goddamn disgrace :lol

[offset formation]

In an alternate universe Gregg sends Marco to Toronto and Forbes to Washington.

White
Green
DeRozan
Aldridge
Poetle

Murray
Mills
Walker
Gay
Bertans

That team goes to the playoffs 23 straight.

Money didn't work.

[offset formation]

What a goddamn disgrace :lol

Yep Morris fucked us twice

[dbestpro]

Yep Morris fucked us twice

Morris did not trade Bertans. This is all on Pop. He kept trying to make Bertans play away from his strengths when he should have been using him to play towards his strengths. In today's NBA there is no greater need than a big who can shoot the three. Pop has become an old fool in his old age.

[offset formation]

Morris did not trade Bertans. This is all on Pop. He kept trying to make Bertans play away from his strengths when he should have been using him to play towards his strengths. In today's NBA there is no greater need than a big who can shoot the three. Pop has become an old fool in his old age.

Who else does PATFO move and still have the money work?

I believe I remember a thread on here where it was made clear for everyone that Davis was really the only *one* player that could have made it work. It sucks. I am a fan. But we were aiming for a clear step up in the caliber of our team. Had we landed Morris, we would be better. That said, Pop, and he has made it very clear, would never had traded him had they known what NY and Morris were going to do. Btw, forget not that he was just signed to an extension the summer before. Pop was planning to keep him but for the Morris trade. Put the blame where it belongs and stop the blind PATFO blame.

[SAGirl]

Neither Morris nor Kawhi forced the FO to trade Danny and Davis...

[SAGirl]

Glad for Davis btw

[offset formation]

Neither Morris nor Kawhi forced the FO to trade Danny and Davis...

Brilliant fucking take. Thanks for the lobotomized lack of context

[XDT76]

Who else does PATFO move and still have the money work?

I believe I remember a thread on here where it was made clear for everyone that Davis was really the only *one* player that could have made it work. It sucks. I am a fan. But we were aiming for a clear step up in the caliber of our team. Had we landed Morris, we would be better. That said, Pop, and he has made it very clear, would never had traded him had they known what NY and Morris were going to do. Btw, forget not that he was just signed to an extension the summer before. Pop was planning to keep him but for the Morris trade. Put the blame where it belongs and stop the blind PATFO blame.

Beli and Mills would had work as well, but Washington does not want our trash.

[Dennis the Menace]

Just further illustrates the urgency and need for Pop to retire

[UZER]

Just further illustrates the urgency and need for Pop to retire

No it’s not. Did you see how Pop magically transformed Lonnie from scrub to all star in just 20 games by continuously benching him this season?

[RD2191]

Bertans shitting all over Pop. :lol

[SayTown]

White
Green
DeRozan
Aldridge
Poetle

Murray
Mills
Walker
Gay
Bertans

That team goes to the playoffs 23 straight.

Green still would have been a free agent this past summer and he probably would have joined the Lakers anyways.

[DPG21920]

Well ya dude, losing Kawhi sucks and any team would take a blow. But, you can already see what SA is doing. They have Lonnie, White, Murray so they are building on the fly with youth around LMA.

All the other deals besides the young guys are 1 or 2 year. They project to have some serious cap space next year even if they don’t trade Mills.

I don’t know any team that could lose a Kawhi level player and still be more than a 8th to 10th seed. Hell, OKC lost KD and still had Russ/PG and they weren’t any better and their cap situation, like HOU’s, is absolutely horrific.

People really need to do a reality check (not just you). I mean, I get it, this is a tough time, but SA was still a WCF when Kawhi wasn’t a b*tch and are in such a better spot than nearly every other team despite losing their superstar out of no where.

They actually already have some promising youth despite winning so much (HOU has none, NO has none, OKC has some), they are in a great spot cap wise moving forward to adjust/rebuild (HOU and OKC are totally boned, GS is boned) and they still have a chance to get some additional assets for Kawhi.

It’s not ideal but I honestly have no idea how people can be upset with SA overall. They aren’t perfect but if you compare them to damn near everyone else they look a hell of a lot more competent IMO.

Pau/Mills sucked and were bad decisions but even those were born out of loyalty and opportunity trying to win big for Kawhi/Lma. They came up empty while still adding youth and being really good, but even their bad (which to me, Pau/Mills are the only LEGIT gripes) was due to them trying to take the big swings that all of us asked them to do.

Holy sh*t! I wrote the sniffer handbook :wow

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Morris did not trade Bertans. This is all on Pop. He kept trying to make Bertans play away from his strengths when he should have been using him to play towards his strengths. In today's NBA there is no greater need than a big who can shoot the three. Pop has become an old fool in his old age.

Truth bomb. You don't trade away a guy like this until you have the incoming guy locked up. Crusty old zit face jumped the gun.

[Yogatti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibsd0UvBhTs

:pop: Davis you need to get over yourself

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1202758162736128006

:pop: "He wasn't over himself"



No it’s not. Did you see how Pop magically transformed Lonnie from scrub to all star in just 20 games by continuously benching him this season?

Pop benching him in the playoffs lit a fire under him. Bertans is now a better player, cause of Pop. *insert sniffs here*

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ChaseHughesNBCS/status/1206758792102400001

[timvp]

^ No one tell Bertans that's the wrong Morris twin.

[DAF86]

https://twitter.com/ChaseHughesNBCS/status/1206758792102400001

Bertans getting back at the Morris family. :cry

[timtonymanu]

Latvian Laser!

Both Morris twins are bitches anyways.

[koriwhat]

Latvian Laser!

Both Morris twins are bitches anyways.

crybaby depressed bitches that is... remember how they just had to play on the same team or else? what a bunch of pussies!

[hater]

:lmao Poop

:lol Drunkford

[UZER]

My man Bert yo!

[r0drig0lac]

:lmao Poop

:lol Drunkford

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/ChaseHughesNBCS/status/1206758792102400001

Pop would've permanently benched him for 10 games if he did that

[timvp]

Pop would've permanently benched him for 10 games if he did that

Yeah but imagine his three-point percentage afterwards :wow

[slick'81]

Looking back id rather have bert than morris obviously

[BackHome]

Just read and article were it said Bertans will be one of the hottest free agents this summer he is in fire from
the 3. They are saying multiple teams are possibly making a trade pitch to get him not sure if that is possible since he just got traded. He has drained 93 threes this year playing 23 games it took him 99 games with the Spurs last year to do that WOW.

[ZeusWillJudge]

https://twitter.com/ChaseHughesNBCS/status/1206758792102400001


:lol Ace with the goods, as always. Thanks for posting that. One of the things I really loved about Bertans was that he had the kind of toughness that Pop's teams chronically need. He wasn't some crazy-ass technical foul machine like 'Sheed, but he didn't take shit from anyone. That clip is priceless. And, yeah, Pop would have had him in the doghouse for the rest of the season over it.

I'm sorry he has to play for the Wiz, but I'm glad he got out of Cuckville.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Holy sh*t! I wrote the sniffer handbook :wow


You've finally embraced the Dark Side. Now... take the final step... admit that they should have blown it up two years ago and join the Dark Side fully. Say the words, Dude.

[Sugus]

Holy sh*t! I wrote the sniffer handbook :wow

I find this comment interesting, Dude, since it mostly still holds true, even with our grim start to the season. As much as everyone is cliff-jumping... San Antonio is not on a bad spot, long term speaking. Obviously nobody is thrilled with tanking after two decades of continued success; but the Spurs currently own all their future first-round picks, have a couple assets which could be traded for additional picks, and have set up a salary structure such that every player on the roster (except for Carroll, lmao) is off the books at, in the worst scenario, two seasons' time. The jury, imo, is still out on our young core of DJ-White-Lonnie, mainly due to shit-awful coaching that has done the exact opposite from putting them in a position to succeed so far -- but even if they all cap out as role players, they very well could support the lottery picks that SA probably has coming in the next years. The Spurs' development program, while a bit outdated now as far as the modern game goes (which I also mainly blame on Pop), is still top-notch in the league, greatly increasing the chance that a prospect succeeds instead of busting.

All these losses have people concerned about the short-term view, which admittedly isn't good, but if the FO makes a couple trades the Spurs could be set up for a primed, short rebuild. We just have to commit to it and stop chasing around a dream of contention, which just isn't possible given the Spurs' old and chokeful core.

[ceperez]

I find this comment interesting, Dude, since it mostly still holds true, even with our grim start to the season. As much as everyone is cliff-jumping... San Antonio is not on a bad spot, long term speaking. Obviously nobody is thrilled with tanking after two decades of continued success; but the Spurs currently own all their future first-round picks, have a couple assets which could be traded for additional picks, and have set up a salary structure such that every player on the roster (except for Carroll, lmao) is off the books at, in the worst scenario, two seasons' time. The jury, imo, is still out on our young core of DJ-White-Lonnie, mainly due to shit-awful coaching that has done the exact opposite from putting them in a position to succeed so far -- but even if they all cap out as role players, they very well could support the lottery picks that SA probably has coming in the next years. The Spurs' development program, while a bit outdated now as far as the modern game goes (which I also mainly blame on Pop), is still top-notch in the league, greatly increasing the chance that a prospect succeeds instead of busting.

All these losses have people concerned about the short-term view, which admittedly isn't good, but if the FO makes a couple trades the Spurs could be set up for a primed, short rebuild. We just have to commit to it and stop chasing around a dream of contention, which just isn't possible given the Spurs' old and chokeful core.

I agree. DeRozan and Aldridge are born chokers!

[AaronY]

Looking back id rather have bert than morris obviously
Great post man.

[phxspurfan]

https://twitter.com/ChaseHughesNBCS/status/1206758792102400001

Wow

[RC_Drunkford]

Just read and article were it said Bertans will be one of the hottest free agents this summer he is in fire from
the 3. They are saying multiple teams are possibly making a trade pitch to get him not sure if that is possible since he just got traded. He has drained 93 threes this year playing 23 games it took him 99 games with the Spurs last year to do that WOW.

Would be funny if the Rockets get him

[FkLA]

https://twitter.com/ChaseHughesNBCS/status/1206758792102400001

Bert :cry

[GAustex]

Would be funny if the Rockets get him
Davis would be great on the Rockets

[gambit1990]

too bad the spurs can’t trade demar for him :lol

teams are after the guy...

[emanueldavidginobili]

21 points 6PM, at half. :bang

[koriwhat]

21 points 6PM, at half. :bang

best thing that ever happened to bertans was morris tbh... got him off the team to actually showcase his overall skills and not his corner/L 3's.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Davis Bertans last 6 games


32 PTS - 8 3PM - 67% 3P
25 PTS - 6 3PM - 50% 3P
19 PTS - 5 3PM - 39% 3P
25 PTS - 7 3PM - 54% 3P
21 PTS - 4 3PM - 33% 3P
20 PTS - 6 3PM - 67% 3P


23.7 PPG - 52% FG - 51% 3P - 91% FT

[UZER]

Davis Bertans last 6 games


32 PTS - 8 3PM - 67% 3P
25 PTS - 6 3PM - 50% 3P
19 PTS - 5 3PM - 39% 3P
25 PTS - 7 3PM - 54% 3P
21 PTS - 4 3PM - 33% 3P
20 PTS - 6 3PM - 67% 3P


23.7 PPG - 52% FG - 51% 3P - 91% FT

But he didn’t listen to my life coach lessons. All he cared about was playing basketball.

:pop:

[Robz4000]

Bertans is gonna get paaaaaiiiiiiiidddddddd I saaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiid.

[objective]

It's pretty obvious Pop didn't know how to handle Bertans.

Hell, Pop hasn't even figured out to play White and Murray together more than 10 minutes on the season.

[GAustex]

Pop just is not a competent enough of a coach to figure out how use a player of Davis style.

[DAF86]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-BtHNa92ac

Bertans getting "best shooter of all-time" hype. :wow

[NASpurs]

PATFO :lol fucking idiots

Oh well, I'm on the tank bandwagon so one less good player is good for the cause.

[DAF86]

Also, lol at the retards bitching about the false news of Bertans getting signed for 5 millions per year for the next 4. :lol If we signed him for double that it would still have been a great signing.

[GAustex]

Poop just gave Davis away for some “bout that life” brother who crapped all over poop’s head

[ZeusWillJudge]

Also, lol at the retards bitching about the false news of Bertans getting signed for 5 millions per year for the next 4. :lol If we signed him for double that it would still have been a great signing.


$5M per would have been a terrible contract for the Spurs. All Bertans ever did here was play deep bench minutes and shoot some corner 3's - when he wasn't just riding the pine.

It would be a great deal for the Wiz though. Fuck Pop.

[TimDunkem]

$5M per would have been a terrible contract for the Spurs. All Bertans ever did here was play deep bench minutes and shoot some corner 3's - when he wasn't just riding the pine.

It would be a great deal for the Wiz though. Fuck Pop.

Just wait until Poop gives Forbes 10 mill a year.

[ismael-robert]

His stats now exceed morris'. He leads him in advanced stats and his overall would be greater of he got 32plus min like him. I put this on morris' twitter but i wouldn't be surprised if thos ghetto fool actually tries to find me.

[ZeusWillJudge]

His stats now exceed morris'. He leads him in advanced stats and his overall would be greater of he got 32plus min like him.


If only there was some way the Spurs could have known. Like, say, if there was a person whose job it was to evaluate players and figure out how to use them the best way.

[R. DeMurre]

Unloading Bertans and making DeRozan the leader in minutes is essentially just a stubborn approach that says "I don't believe advanced stats mean anything." It makes no sense. Sure, Bertans had trouble defending Milsap in the playoffs last year, but that's understandable. Milsap in a burly & smart veteran. DeRozan has trouble defending anyone... what's his excuse? Why doesn't he get benched when his D isn't energetic or admirable? That's always the excuse used for benching Walker...

[gambit1990]

7/13 from 3.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Bertans should be getting DNP’s for the Spurs not tearing it up for the Wizards

[**BUSTA**]

The NBA whiffed on Davis Bertans - SBNation.com (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/12/18/21024240/davis-bertans-wizards-trade-value-highlights-stats)