Davis Bertans re-signs, 4 years, $20 million (Unconfirmed)

[spurraider21]

The NBA whiffed on Davis Bertans - SBNation.com (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/12/18/21024240/davis-bertans-wizards-trade-value-highlights-stats)
wow... fantastic article


To put it plainly, the Wizards evolved Bertans from a jitterier Steve Novak to a taller J.J. Redick. Both are useful archetypes, but one’s a whole lot more unique and valuable than the other.

In that sense, Bertans is a new phenomenon. Who else’s game can be described as “taller J.J. Redick?” Of course he elicits some form of wonder from opposing announcers. It’s easy to ask, “who saw this coming?”



But I still think this read is far too charitable to the Spurs and the rest of the league. If this really is an era dominated by deep three-point shooting, there’s not much excuse for undervaluing and failing to maximize a player with Bertans’ skill set. He got plenty of threes up in the limited minutes he did play with the Spurs, and still managed to convert them at an absurd rate. It’s not like he benefited from the hard work of superstars, unless you consider the collective Spurs bench apparatus a superstar.

And there was ample evidence already that his shooting could help a good team succeed. The Spurs outscored teams (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612759/onoffcourt-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) by 7.6 points per 100 possessions with him in last year and were outscored by 2.9 points per 100 possessions with him sidelined. The signs of a Bertans breakout when given a greener light were there, and the league should have put those puzzle pieces together.

so true. scathing.

[slick'81]

marcus fckn morris:rollindemarre caroll

[objective]

If only Bertans had grown a wispy thin DeBarge-like mustache, maybe he could have been a coach's favorite ...

[jermaine]

Our FO is being laughed at.

[RC_Drunkford]

too bad the spurs can’t trade demar for him :lol

teams are after the guy...

Thank God they gave him away for free to sign Demarre Carroll. Imagine getting an asset back for him.

:pop: "We got Marco, he's better than Davis"

[ZeusWillJudge]

That's a good article. The title says "The NBA Whiffed", and I was prepared to push back on that, because PATFO whiffed on Bertans. But the article itself is pretty clear about who really blew it. (Side note: The videos crack me up, because they're now calling him "Daveece", like he's from Mexico. :lol)

One thing from the article that's been pretty much overlooked here:

Bertans rarely had plays run for him; nearly 56 percent of his points were classified at spot-up shots. He was adept at sliding along the line while someone(s) else did the heavy lifting, be it through a post-up or pick-and-roll. Those little movements created and maximized tight windows needed to score, which was especially important when mid-range artists DeMar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge were the hub of the offense.

There is an art to sliding along the line, staying open but also maintaining a passing lane for the playmaker. It's also a hell of a lot of work. Davis ran his ass off, even though he was too seldom rewarded for it. I've bitched numerous times this year that the Spurs have a bunch of guys who aren't moving without the ball and especially aren't maintaining passing lanes that would allow them to get open shots. Maybe they're lazy, or don't have the instincts for where to be. Maybe they figure the iso-heroes won't pass to them anyway, so they just quit moving. But one of the things I loved about Bertans is that he kept working no matter what.


Bertans served the function of a floor spacer, though calling him a “floor drifter” is more accurate. His job was to catch defenses when they paid attention elsewhere, and he did it well. But he also didn’t have a fundamentally different role than Stretch 4s of yesteryear. Bertans still does plenty of spotting up in D.C. You’ll often see him sprinting to and along the line the second his man even looks elsewhere. That explains how he keeps getting open.

"Yesteryear" is code for Pop's antiquated coaching.


In D.C., Bertans’ shooting creates chaos and inspires terror, rather than just capitalizing on someone else’s heavy lifting. Because of that, the Wizards can leverage the threat of Bertans’ shooting to make life easier for everyone else.

Wait a minute... using a 3P shooter for more than just an occasional 3 points? Actually leveraging him to make life easier for the other players? Even the ones who only shoot midrange jumpers? You know, it's so crazy it just might work.

[FkLA]

Most of Spurstalk loves to talk shit in hindsight. A lot of you idiots were ready to give up on him after one bad playoff series. There were only a select few of us ( DAF86 being his biggest fan) that always knew he was capable of this if he was used correctly/given a big enough leash.

[K...]

The NBA whiffed on Davis Bertans - SBNation.com (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/12/18/21024240/davis-bertans-wizards-trade-value-highlights-stats)

The no shit conclusion
. The answer to both questions at once comes in the way the Wizards have used him this season. In San Antonio, Bertans rarely had plays run for him; nearly 56 percent of his points were classified at spot-up shots. He was adept at sliding along the line while someone(s) else did the heavy lifting, be it through a post-up or pick-and-roll. .


They chose iso LMA, drz, and Gay over the Murray run based offense and that's why we're here

[DAF86]

$5M per would have been a terrible contract for the Spurs. All Bertans ever did here was play deep bench minutes and shoot some corner 3's - when he wasn't just riding the pine.

It would be a great deal for the Wiz though. Fuck Pop.

How on earth would signing a 6'10'' snipper for 5 mils per year be a terrible contract? :lol

Even if he remained a 9th, 10th guy, having him for 20/4 would have been a steal. How many 6'10" great shooters do you know that are signed for less than that?

The biggest proof that 20/4 would have been a great deal is that we ended up signing him for 21/2. Double the price.

[DAF86]

To put it plainly, the Wizards evolved Bertans from a jitterier Steve Novak to a taller J.J. Redick. Both are useful archetypes, but one’s a whole lot more unique and valuable than the other.

In that sense, Bertans is a new phenomenon. Who else’s game can be described as “taller J.J. Redick?” Of course he elicits some form of wonder from opposing announcers. It’s easy to ask, “who saw this coming?”

Ahem


Like Klay, like Korver, like Reddick. This is the type of role Bertans should have. Advanced metrics have proven that having these type of players on these type of roles is one of the best weapons you can have for an offense. We have one of the few guys that can pull this off, yet we underutilize him.

[K...]

The sad sad sad truth, it's that everything describing bertans ideal role is Marco's role under pop.

Pop let bertans go because he thought it was more traditional to have a 2 and 3 do spacing

It makes sense: peak Marco+ gay and Morris is good, but no Morris, tosb gay and Marco looking rough

[Phenomanul]

The real mistake was signing DeMarre Carroll with the money that would've satiated Morris' salary appetite.

The Spurs could've had both Marcus Morris AND Davis Bertans.

[Leetonidas]

The real mistake was signing DeMarre Carroll with the money that would've satiated Morris' salary appetite.

The Spurs could've had both Marcus Morris AND Davis Bertans.

No they couldn't. They traded Bertans for a trade exception to trade for Carroll which allowed them the MLE they wouldn't have had otherwise

[Dennis the Menace]

Our FO is being laughed at.

Seems like it needs to happen more often to induce change

[Mugen]

Happy for Davis, he wouldn't have been able to have this much success and earn himself a fat contract playing for the senile coach.

[RC_Drunkford]

Ahem

But instead Bryn Forbes got that role :lmao :lmao

I mean even the biggest sniffers have to realize that PATFO has completely lost the plot at this point

[RC_Drunkford]

Y'all can try to spin this however you want. Yes Marcus Morris would've been an upgrade, but it's not like trading Bertans for nothing was the only reason to free up 7 million. Beli earns 5.6, Forbes 2.5, Mills 12.5 million and somebody in this retarded front office should've known that Bertans was a better player than Carroll. This move again is on the senile coach trading a player half of the NBA wants to sign cause he ain't "his guy"

[ceperez]

Signing Carroll is the height of the incompetency.

$7,000,000 $6,650,000 $7,000,000 ... almost $21million for someone who doesn't ever play!!!!

Dante Cunningham has played more minutes and scored more points than Carroll.

Can anyone even explain this stupidity?

[K...]

Signing Carroll is the height of the incompetency.

$7,000,000 $6,650,000 $7,000,000 ... almost $21million for someone who doesn't ever play!!!!

Dante Cunningham has played more minutes and scored more points than Carroll.

Can anyone even explain this stupidity?

It's depth, neither player is good, but the goal should be to bench the guy because demarr, gay, Lyle's, and poertle are better.

If Carroll were a good prospect so be it, but spending $7 for a veteran isn't a big overspend if it's for leadership, scrimmage, and depth

[RC_Drunkford]

It's depth, neither player is good, but the goal should be to bench the guy because demarr, gay, Lyle's, and poertle are better.

If Carroll were a good prospect so be it, but spending $7 for a veteran isn't a big overspend if it's for leadership, scrimmage, and depth

Your nose is so deep in Pop's seat. Y'all sniffers really spin anything into "That was a smart move by PATFO". Drunkford could runover a baby and you would say he saved mankind cause he killed the next Kim Yong-Un

[Phenomanul]

No they couldn't. They traded Bertans for a trade exception to trade for Carroll which allowed them the MLE they wouldn't have had otherwise

But you're neglecting my first statement. The DeMarre Carroll signing was unnecessary if they had targeted Marcus Morris first (AND especially given the context of Carroll's overall usage thus far). IF PATFO had gone that route THEN the full MLE would have been available to sign Morris outright (with what the Knicks are paying him today) and in that context the Spurs wouldn't have had to trade Davis Bertans away.

So no Carroll
Sign Morris with the MLE
Keep Bertans

[r0drig0lac]

Signing Carroll is the height of the incompetency.

$7,000,000 $6,650,000 $7,000,000 ... almost $21million for someone who doesn't ever play!!!!

Dante Cunningham has played more minutes and scored more points than Carroll.

Can anyone even explain this stupidity?

this has no explanation (just like some decisions made by PATFO in recent years), currently, they are in fact one of the worst offices in the league (unfortunately)

[superbigtime]

Our FO is being laughed at.

Deservedly so. They should be.

[EasyMoney]

But you're neglecting my first statement. The DeMarre Carroll signing was unnecessary if they had targeted Marcus Morris first (AND especially given the context of Carroll's overall usage thus far). IF PATFO had gone that route THEN the full MLE would have been available to sign Morris outright (with what the Knicks are paying him today) and in that context the Spurs wouldn't have had to trade Davis Bertans away.

So no Carroll
Sign Morris with the MLE
Keep Bertans



Marcus Morris was ready to sign with the clippers but was convinced by rich Paul not too because he thought he could get more money. It backfired on him.

Things just did not go the Spurs way. If Morris signed with the Spurs no one would be talking about Spurs fucking up because Morris would be balling with the Spurs.

Instead he bitched out and the Spurs had no choice but to give Carroll 3 years even tho the 3rd year is not guaranteed because the cba mandates it

[itzsoweezee]

I disagree that Morris would've been an upgrade. I haven't looked at the advanced stats, but I'd be very surprised if Morris's were better. With the ridiculously cheap Bertan's salary, it was a no brainer that Davis should have stayed on this roster.

Zach Lowe is right. These moves are the effect of the brain drain that's gone on in this organization. Nothing but morons are left in this front office

[EasyMoney]

this has no explanation (just like some decisions made by PATFO in recent years), currently, they are in fact one of the worst offices in the league (unfortunately)



The cba mandates that sign and trades have to be a minimum of 3 years. Was not the Spurs choice.

[gambit1990]

here’s what’s sad... who has had a better year so far: murray, white, lonnie, or bertans?

[koriwhat]

here’s what’s sad... who has had a better year so far: murray, white, lonnie, or bertans?

bertans and he's leading the pack by 100000 miles

[Ocotillo]

So we shipped George Hill out for Nephew, Bertans and Erazem Lorbek. Now we don't even have Lorbek.

[Jordan Jackson]

I disagree that Morris would've been an upgrade. I haven't looked at the advanced stats, but I'd be very surprised if Morris's were better. With the ridiculously cheap Bertan's salary, it was a no brainer that Davis should have stayed on this roster.

Zach Lowe is right. These moves are the effect of the brain drain that's gone on in this organization. Nothing but morons are left in this front office

This slide into incompetence started with the Patty/Pau contract extension. People are just saying the quiet parts out loud now - The front office is bad.

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98AD_wrLH8

[RC_Drunkford]

This slide into incompetence started with the Patty/Pau contract extension. People are just saying the quiet parts out loud now - The front office is bad.

Yeah and people like me got banned from Reddit for criticizing those off-season moves back then. Now the sniffers are waking up. The downfall of organizations always starts with handing out bad contracts to players who don't deserve them and are on the decline. A lot of us saw it coming

[slick'81]

So we shipped George Hill out for Nephew, Bertans and Erazem Lorbek. Now we don't even have Lorbek.

Looking back spurs got tremendous value for george hill but atleast a title to show for it

[DAF86]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98AD_wrLH8

With Bertans on the roster, the Spurs probably have 3/4 more wins right now.

[RodNIc91]

To think we went from fleecing the pacers with the G. Hill trade to this. We ended up basically trading Hill for Poeltl.

[Sugus]

To think we went from fleecing the pacers with the G. Hill trade to this. We ended up basically trading Hill for Poeltl.

And a title. People are weirdly keen to leave that out. Spurs traded for and developed Nephew into their fifth ring - losing Bertans is a drop in the bucket in comparison.

[FkLA]

Is Bert the best Latvian player in the league? Porzingis has always been overrated af.

Porzingis - 17.4 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 40.2 FG%, 33.3 3PT%
Bertans - 15.8 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 47.2 FG%, 46.2 3PT%

[ZeusWillJudge]

How on earth would signing a 6'10'' snipper for 5 mils per year be a terrible contract? :lol

Even if he remained a 9th, 10th guy, having him for 20/4 would have been a steal. How many 6'10" great shooters do you know that are signed for less than that?

The biggest proof that 20/4 would have been a great deal is that we ended up signing him for 21/2. Double the price.


Oh, man... try really, really hard to keep up. It was sarcasm. "Bad contract" for the Spurs because Pop wouldn't use him. Notice I said it would have been a great deal for the Wiz? That was a clue, see?

Lonnie is on a rookie scale deal. It should be a bargain. But when Pop won't put him in the damn game?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Is Bert the best Latvian player in the league? Porzingis has always been overrated af.

Porzingis - 17.4 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 40.2 FG%, 33.3 3PT%
Bertans - 15.8 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 47.2 FG%, 46.2 3PT%


Zingis isn't all the way back from his injury. I don't know about overrated/underrated. That's just peoples' opinions. His numbers from before he got hurt say he was a force to be reckoned with, and he was still just 22 and improving. I think the only point is that Davis is MUCH more than Pop got out of him.

[RC_Drunkford]

What makes Davis so valuable is not only his size, but his range that extends way beyond the 3-point line. He got Steph Curry range and can really stretch the defense.

[DAF86]

Oh, man... try really, really hard to keep up. It was sarcasm. "Bad contract" for the Spurs because Pop wouldn't use him. Notice I said it would have been a great deal for the Wiz? That was a clue, see?

Lonnie is on a rookie scale deal. It should be a bargain. But when Pop won't put him in the damn game?

How the fuck would I know? :lol Weren't you also the one saying that there's no way Bertans can net the Wizards a late first rounder? I thought maybe you weren't very high on Bertans' game. :lol

[K...]

Keldon will be better than Georgi, so ignoring that we got a few years of neph, Bert, etc, and we're left with a better version of what we traded away (on the eve of his payday).

[DAF86]

Keldon will be better than Georgi, so ignoring that we got a few years of neph, Bert, etc, and we're left with a better version of what we traded away (on the eve of his payday).

What have you seen of Keldon, on the NBA so far, to make that kind of claim?

[objective]

What does it say about Pop when Scott Brooks is somehow smart enough to figure out how to better use Bertans?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

With Bertans on the roster, the Spurs probably have 3/4 more wins right now.

Probably appropriate that the image on the front of the video features DeRozan and Pop.

[ZeusWillJudge]

How the fuck would I know? :lol Weren't you also the one saying that there's no way Bertans can net the Wizards a late first rounder? I thought maybe you weren't very high on Bertans' game. :lol


I've always loved Bertans. Always said he had a great stroke and I LOVED his toughness - which he got punished for. And I always believed that he was better than Pop would allow him to be. But, no, I didn't think he would be able to bring a first round pick by himself. If you can show me a thread where you predicted he would be averaging 16 ppg shooting .462 from 3P, and dropping shots off the dribble like this, I'll turn things around and sacrifice a goat to you. I can give credit where it's due. If you honestly saw THIS coming, my hat's off to you.

[DAF86]

I've always loved Bertans. Always said he had a great stroke and I LOVED his toughness - which he got punished for. And I always believed that he was better than Pop would allow him to be. But, no, I didn't think he would be able to bring a first round pick by himself. If you can show me a thread where you predicted he would be averaging 16 ppg shooting .462 from 3P, and dropping shots off the dribble like this, I'll turn things around and sacrifice a goat to you. I can give credit where it's due. If you honestly saw THIS coming, my hat's off to you.

But one didn't need to predict anything to believe Bertans, with the way he was playing up to that point (the point where that article was made, the one that said he could net the Wizards a first round. This one: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282031&highlight=bertans+all+star), was worth a late first round pick, tbh. Just by keeping up what he was already doing he was more than worth a first, tbh.

But regarding my prediction about Bertans' potential:

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266024

**disclaimer: I never really thought Bertans was an all-star type player. :lol Just that, with the right circumstances, he could get to one ala Kyle Korver.

Back then the Spurs were putting up b2b 60+ wins, I thought Kawhi was a keeper and thought maybe the Spurs could someday send 4 players to the ASG like the Hawks did. I knew how good Bertans was and I thought he could get in as that Kyle Korver high end role player type. So I said "what the hell, if I get this right once down the line I will look like a fucking genius, if not nobody will remember" :lol

But yeah, if I thought he could someday get ASG consideration, I obviously thought he was able to average 16 ppg, tbh.

[K...]

What have you seen of Keldon, on the NBA so far, to make that kind of claim?

It's more what I saw of George Hill. Long arms, disruptive, but never became a true offensive threat, got big contracts he didn't live up to. Credit the Spurs for development of a fringe draft pick, but he's another person who owes ginobilli money for making him look better than he was.

Keldon should be better on offense as a finisher and at least an average defender.

[DAF86]

It's more what I saw of George Hill. Long arms, disruptive, but never became a true offensive threat, got big contracts he didn't live up to. Credit the Spurs for development of a fringe draft pick, but he's another person who owes ginobilli money for making him look better than he was.

Keldon should be better on offense as a finisher and at least an average defender.

Hill, as a rookie, got minutes on a stacked Spurs team. Keldon can't see the floor on the worst Spurs' team of the last 30 years. Hill, right now, is one of the best players in the best team of the NBA. If Keldon manages to have half the career George had, we should consider his selection a success, tbh.

[ZeusWillJudge]

But one didn't need to predict anything to believe Bertans, with the way he was playing up to that point (the point where that article was made, the one that said he could net the Wizards a first round.


LMAO... okay, no sacrificial goats for you. You people want so badly to prove someone else wrong that you just start babbling. The funny thing is, he really broke out after that article. At that point, he was averaging 3.1 3's per game - it's in the damn article. Last year he averaged 4.4 3's per game, in fewer minutes. :lol

When that article was written, he hadn't really broken out like he did after it was written.

Like I said, show me a thread where you predicted that he would break out the way he has SINCE that article, and I'll give you credit. But you didn't. You read some fucking article from some guy at BleacherReport, and bit the hook.


[Edit: I took 5 minutes to look at the game logs.] When that article was written, he had played 12 games. Six of those games he scored single digits. His 3P% in some of those games were: .333 .333 .286 .125 and .000 (0-4) Nine of those games he had 4 rebounds or less. That's not the profile of a player that teams throw first round picks at, and you're not fucking Nostradamus.

[Mr. Body]

This slide into incompetence started with the Patty/Pau contract extension. People are just saying the quiet parts out loud now - The front office is bad.

Patty Mills, the best player on the team? That Patty Mills?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Hill, as a rookie, got minutes on a stacked Spurs team. Keldon can't see the floor on the worst Spurs' team of the last 30 years. Hill, right now, is one of the best players in the best team of the NBA. If Keldon manages to have half the career George had, we should consider his selection a success, tbh.


Using floor time this season as a measure of how good a player is? That's just fucking stupid. Stop it.

How stacked were the Spurs at point guard that season? How about the year before? You don't know, do you? I didn't have to look - I remember. It was basically Tony Parker and Jacques Vaughn, and people here whined like schoolgirls about it. (Stoudamire soaked up a few deep bench minutes the year before.) Hill got those rookie minutes out of necessity.

And do you remember how Hill shot that season? His FG% was somewhere around .400. Terrible. But he was still better than Jacques Vaughn. Hill was there out of necessity.

Now, looking at Beli, I would say that getting him off the floor is also a necessity. And they have a rookie in Austin that could do as good of a job of replacing Beli as George Hill did of replacing Jacques Vaughn.

[DAF86]

LMAO... okay, no sacrificial goats for you. You people want so badly to prove someone else wrong that you just start babbling. The funny thing is, he really broke out after that article. At that point, he was averaging 3.1 3's per game - it's in the damn article. Last year he averaged 4.4 3's per game, in fewer minutes. :lol

When that article was written, he hadn't really broken out like he did after it was written.

Like I said, show me a thread where you predicted that he would break out the way he has SINCE that article, and I'll give you credit. But you didn't. You read some fucking article from some guy at BleacherReport, and bit the hook.


[Edit: I took 5 minutes to look at the game logs.] When that article was written, he had played 12 games. Six of those games he scored single digits. His 3P% in some of those games were: .333 .333 .286 .125 and .000 (0-4) Nine of those games he had 4 rebounds or less. That's not the profile of a player that teams throw first round picks at, and you're not fucking Nostradamus.


Using floor time this season as a measure of how good a player is? That's just fucking stupid. Stop it.

How stacked were the Spurs at point guard that season? How about the year before? You don't know, do you? I didn't have to look - I remember. It was basically Tony Parker and Jacques Vaughn, and people here whined like schoolgirls about it. (Stoudamire soaked up a few deep bench minutes the year before.) Hill got those rookie minutes out of necessity.

And do you remember how Hill shot that season? His FG% was somewhere around .400. Terrible. But he was still better than Jacques Vaughn. Hill was there out of necessity.

Now, looking at Beli, I would say that getting him off the floor is also a necessity. And they have a rookie in Austin that could do as good of a job of replacing Beli as George Hill did of replacing Jacques Vaughn.

You sound mad son. :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

You sound mad son. :lol


So you don't have a post where you knew Bertans would be this good, but you still want to claim you knew it all along? If you've got the quote, post it and I'll give you credit.

[Ozballer]

Real questions are

a- Would Bertans be having the season he is having had he stayed with the Spurs, playing the "system"?

b- Who in their right business mind (not just in basketball) would release players on a multi million trade deal based on a verbal agreement and without conditional clauses?

[spurraider21]

So you don't have a post where you knew Bertans would be this good, but you still want to claim you knew it all along? If you've got the quote, post it and I'll give you credit.
DAF called him a future allstar tbh

[Sugus]

Real questions are

a- Would Bertans be having the season he is having had he stayed with the Spurs, playing the "system"?

b- Who in their right business mind (not just in basketball) would release players on a multi million trade deal based on a verbal agreement and without conditional clauses?

Easy answers. No, he would not be having the same season since he's not the kind of player Pop gives a long leash to and we had years of Bertans to see this; and that's a stupid question, since the league is run on verbal agreements. Last trade deadline, at 12:01 when new deals could be signed, a figure close to 6 BILLION dollars worth of deals were inked. You think there were heavier guarantees for those than the Spurs had for Morris? It's the way the business is ran - which is also why Morris' spurning was the source of so much talk. It isn't a good look and goes against the convention; Spurs can't really be faulted for that (though they take all the blame for missing the gold in Bertans' shooting potential that was right in front of them).

[Ozballer]

Easy answers. No, he would not be having the same season since he's not the kind of player Pop gives a long leash to and we had years of Bertans to see this; and that's a stupid question, since the league is run on verbal agreements. Last trade deadline, at 12:01 when new deals could be signed, a figure close to 6 BILLION dollars worth of deals were inked. You think there were heavier guarantees for those than the Spurs had for Morris? It's the way the business is ran - which is also why Morris' spurning was the source of so much talk. It isn't a good look and goes against the convention; Spurs can't really be faulted for that (though they take all the blame for missing the gold in Bertans' shooting potential that was right in front of them).

Sugus, you should apply as the senior deal maker in the NBA...I'm sure you close deals all the time in your private life. Anyhow, with a name like Sugus you were born to be chewed up and spat on the ground

[ZeusWillJudge]

DAF called him a future allstar tbh


Well good on you for coming to his defense. I said if he posts the quote I'll give him credit.

When that article was written, he was making 3.1 3-pointers per game. The year before he made 4.4 per game, in a lot less minutes. Check my math, but that isn't an improvement. Is it? Calling for him to bring a first round pick at that point was ridiculous.

When guys like Blair and Mahinmi leave and have a couple of good games, people here get on the bandwagon and cry that we traded an All-Star. If Bertans didn't break out AFTER that article, there's no way he brings a first rounder.

[spurraider21]

Well good on you for coming to his defense. I said if he posts the quote I'll give him credit.

When that article was written, he was making 3.1 3-pointers per game. The year before he made 4.4 per game, in a lot less minutes. Check my math, but that isn't an improvement. Is it? Calling for him to bring a first round pick at that point was ridiculous.

When guys like Blair and Mahinmi leave and have a couple of good games, people here get on the bandwagon and cry that we traded an All-Star. If Bertans didn't break out AFTER that article, there's no way he brings a first rounder.

for what its worth, i dont think he's an all-star or future all star... and i remember going back and forth with DAF on this. i've always liked bertans and generally wanted him to get more minutes, but thought DAF tended to overrate him quite a bit.


Future all-star.


Future all-star feeling it, tbh.


Future all-star.


Future all-star, tbh.

you can click the links to see the context, those are all in reference to bertans

[Sugus]

Sugus, you should apply as the senior deal maker in the NBA...I'm sure you close deals all the time in your private life. Anyhow, with a name like Sugus you were born to be chewed up and spat on the ground

If your brain is as retarded as your idea of how to eat candy, I'm sorry for mom & pops, my guy :tu

[Ozballer]

If your brain is as retarded as your idea of how to eat candy, I'm sorry for mom & pops, my guy :tu

You just brought the innovation forward with such a retarded name...a trendsetter no doubt

[ZeusWillJudge]

for what its worth, i dont think he's an all-star or future all star... and i remember going back and forth with DAF on this. i've always liked bertans and generally wanted him to get more minutes, but thought DAF tended to overrate him quite a bit.

you can click the links to see the context, those are all in reference to bertans


Well aren't you just the little helper? I wanted to hear it straight from him, you fucktard, so I could mention that he also started a fucking thread saying that Gasol was better than Nowitzki. And another saying that the Spurs were going to be able to trade Gasol for "something of value", instead of having to buy out his damn contract.

People here love to throw shit at the wall to see if something sticks. When it does, they come back and play like Nostradamus. When it doesn't, they run away and hide.

BTW - DAF started that thread that Bertans would be a super-star and an All Star. (He's playing good, but he's a long fucking way from that.) And he said that he will bring a first round pick before this trade deadline. We'll re-visit this after the deadline and see which of you is feeling chatty.

[DAF86]

Well aren't you just the little helper? I wanted to hear it straight from him, you fucktard, so I could mention that he also started a fucking thread saying that Gasol was better than Nowitzki. And another saying that the Spurs were going to be able to trade Gasol for "something of value", instead of having to buy out his damn contract.

People here love to throw shit at the wall to see if something sticks. When it does, they come back and play like Nostradamus. When it doesn't, they run away and hide.

BTW - DAF started that thread that Bertans would be a super-star and an All Star. (He's playing good, but he's a long fucking way from that.) And he said that he will bring a first round pick before this trade deadline. We'll re-visit this after the deadline and see which of you is feeling chatty.

Dude, you go from 0 to a 1000 in a milisecond. :lol

The fuck is that about Gasol? I was always against his re-signing, tbh.

[DAF86]

So you don't have a post where you knew Bertans would be this good, but you still want to claim you knew it all along? If you've got the quote, post it and I'll give you credit.

Are you fucking kidding me? I just linked you the thread I started that said "Bertans Will be an all-star" :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

Are you fucking kidding me? I just linked you the thread I started that said "Bertans Will be an all-star" :lol


I knew I could count on you to prove my point.
You throw shit at the wall and when it sticks, you play expert. When it doesn't, you run away from it.

Here's the thread YOU started. Back then, you were sure that Gasol was better than Dirk, and went to the trouble of starting a poll thread on it. You threw shit at the wall, and then when Gasol turnd out to be a waste, you run away.




...


Gasol has Nowitzki beat on everything, I think it's fair to say that Pau is a better player than Dirk.
What do you think?



When Bertans actually becomes an All-Star, come back and crow. When the Wiz actually get a first round pick for him, come back and crow. Doing it now just makes you look needy.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Here's another fun article. I think it was written by Sam Niffer. (That's S. Niffer) He lets PATFO off the hook, because as good as Bertans has been this season, Morris' stats have been even better.

Funny, huh? "Bertans the All-Star" has been outplayed by Marcus Morris this season - Bertans' best season ever, by far. I wonder... is someone going to offer a first round pick for Marcus Morris? :lol " Is Marcus Morris lock to become an All Star? I mean, if Bertans is worth a first, then Morris should be worth a lottery pick, right?

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2019/12/26/21010751/san-antonio-spurs-fans-concern-over-the-marcus-morris-vs-davis-bertans-debacle-is-misguided-demarre

And here's a comparison of their stats so far this season, so Someone doesn't argue that point:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=D%C4%81vis+Bert%C4%81ns&player_id1_select=D%C4%81vis+Bert%C4%81ns&player_id1=bertada01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=Marcus+Morris&player_id2_select=Marcus+Morris&player_id2=morrima03&y2=2020

[DAF86]

I knew I could count on you to prove my point.
You throw shit at the wall and when it sticks, you play expert. When it doesn't, you run away from it.

Here's the thread YOU started. Back then, you were sure that Gasol was better than Dirk, and went to the trouble of starting a poll thread on it. You threw shit at the wall, and then when Gasol turnd out to be a waste, you run away.



[/B]



When Bertans actually becomes an All-Star, come back and crow. When the Wiz actually get a first round pick for him, come back and crow. Doing it now just makes you look needy.

Oh, the old days when I went back and forth against the Mav Krew. Good times, tbh. :lol

But, anyway, what does that have to do with wanting TOSB Gasol re-signed? You are just making shit up son. :lol

[DAF86]

Here's another fun article. I think it was written by Sam Niffer. (That's S. Niffer) He lets PATFO off the hook, because as good as Bertans has been this season, Morris' stats have been even better.

Funny, huh? "Bertans the All-Star" has been outplayed by Marcus Morris this season - Bertans' best season ever, by far. I wonder... is someone going to offer a first round pick for Marcus Morris? :lol " Is Marcus Morris lock to become an All Star? I mean, if Bertans is worth a first, then Morris should be worth a lottery pick, right?

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2019/12/26/21010751/san-antonio-spurs-fans-concern-over-the-marcus-morris-vs-davis-bertans-debacle-is-misguided-demarre

And here's a comparison of their stats so far this season, so Someone doesn't argue that point:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=D%C4%81vis+Bert%C4%81ns&player_id1_select=D%C4%81vis+Bert%C4%81ns&player_id1=bertada01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=Marcus+Morris&player_id2_select=Marcus+Morris&player_id2=morrima03&y2=2020

What are you even trying to say now? You are all over the place son. :lol

And yeah, you can bet your ass Morris is worth a first round pick for any contender that is missing that one piece. In fact, if he stays healthy, I'm sure he will get traded to a contender for a first come deadline.

[ismael-robert]

Bertans is better in true shooting, assists, blocks, turnovers...hell for morris' bulk bertans rebounding numbers almost same. The difference btwn them is negligible and may boil down to morris getting an extra 2min playing time per game.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Oh, the old days when I went back and forth against the Mav Krew. Good times, tbh. :lol

But, anyway, what does that have to do with wanting TOSB Gasol re-signed? You are just making shit up son. :lol


Morris has played better than Bertans this year, without question. He's only 30. Would anyone offer a first for Morris, like you claim they will for Bert? Why wouldn't they, since he's been better?

You made a stupid, but enthusiastic claim, just like you did in the "old days" and you're worried that your dick will look tiny if you admit it. It would. So keep up the babbling - I'm done here.

[DAF86]

Morris has played better than Bertans this year, without question. He's only 30. Would anyone offer a first for Morris, like you claim they will for Bert? Why wouldn't they, since he's been better.

You made a stupid, but enthusiastic claim, just like you did in the "old days" and you're worried that your dick will look tiny if you admit it. It would. So keep up the babbling - I'm done here.

I just said they would. What the fuck are you even arguing now? :lol


What are you even trying to say now? You are all over the place son. :lol

And yeah, you can bet your ass Morris is worth a first round pick for any contender that is missing that one piece. In fact, if he stays healthy, I'm sure he will get traded to a contender for a first come deadline.

[ismael-robert]

Well if we're going to quote age then davis has advantage there too of being younger so will be able to play longer years n continue to improve over morris. Morris is just a more defensive bertans

[spurraider21]

ya know, for a while i had cut the front office some slack for the bertans debacle because they couldn't control morris reneging on a deal.

but the only reason they were in that position where they had to move bertans to open up the MLE was because they first stupidly went out and sign demarre who cant even fucking play. even in the worst case if morris reneged the way he did, we at least still would have had (and likely underutilized) bertans. that still falls on the FO for signing a guy that cant crack the rotation with MLE funds

[DPG21920]

ya know, for a while i had cut the front office some slack for the bertans debacle because they couldn't control morris reneging on a deal.

but the only reason they were in that position where they had to move bertans to open up the MLE was because they first stupidly went out and sign demarre who cant even fucking play. even in the worst case if morris reneged the way he did, we at least still would have had (and likely underutilized) bertans. that still falls on the FO for signing a guy that cant crack the rotation with MLE funds

Yup - just a complete disaster signing from the FO with Carroll. He was someone I was ok with because you resign yourself to the Spurs standing pat mostly. In that light, for that price, it seemed reasonable. But what a whiff.

Spurs so obviously needed a major talent infusion and they did absolutely nothing. If you don’t want to win, go the opposite direction.

He will hopefully at least provide trade ballast if needed.

[RC_Drunkford]

ya know, for a while i had cut the front office some slack for the bertans debacle because they couldn't control morris reneging on a deal.

but the only reason they were in that position where they had to move bertans to open up the MLE was because they first stupidly went out and sign demarre who cant even fucking play. even in the worst case if morris reneged the way he did, we at least still would have had (and likely underutilized) bertans. that still falls on the FO for signing a guy that cant crack the rotation with MLE funds

100% accurate

[FkLA]

Randomly popped up on my YT feed:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kHOjdp6OyI

Holy shit the range, the ability to shoot off a dead run on set plays, stepbacks, fadeaways, pullups, the lightning quick release. We basically had a 6-11 Klay Thompson and Poop spent all of last year limiting him to 20 mpg and running plays to get looks for his pets Wombat and Forms instead. What a colossal failure by PATFO to have not realized what they had on their hands. I take solace in the fact that he'd still be underutilized and taking a backseat to Wombat and Forms if PATFO hadn't given him away.

I'm not even sure Morris is a clear cut better player at this point and Carroll sure as fuck isn't.

[koriwhat]

Randomly popped up on my YT feed:

Holy shit the range, the ability to shoot off a dead run on set plays, stepbacks, fadeaways, pullups, the lightning quick release. We basically had a 6-11 Klay Thompson and Poop spent all of last year limiting him to 20 mpg and running plays to get looks for his pets Wombat and Forms instead. What a colossal failure by PATFO to have not realized what they had on their hands. I take solace in the fact that he'd still be underutilized and taking a backseat to Wombat and Forms if PATFO hadn't given him away.

I'm not even sure Morris is a clear cut better player at this point and Carroll sure as fuck isn't.

yeah it's a pity how things panned out in regard to davis getting the boot from satx. it's the same ol' story though of no playing time and stick you in the corner strategy by pop. as much as i love pop he has major flaws when it comes to playing younger players even if he sees their upside.

[slick'81]

Definitely one of the spurs fo biggest blunders in terms of development

[CGD]

Given the direction the team is going in then next 2-3 year, do you honestly think the spurs would have paid the 18m per year starting next summer that it will take to keep him?

Obviously, F Markus Morris. But this also felt like another George Hill situation where the team loved the person but was hesitant to give the big pay day.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Given the direction the team is going in then next 2-3 year, do you honestly think the spurs would have paid the 18m per year starting next summer that it will take to keep him?

Obviously, F Markus Morris. But this also felt like another George Hill situation where the team loved the person but was hesitant to give the big pay day.


Nope. The Spurs would have paid Hill, without a doubt. They loved Kawhi more, and sending Hill was the only way to get him.

This time, they wanted both Carroll and Morris. They knew that they needed the entire MLE to be able to sign Morris (they thought). So they couldn't use any of their MLE to sign Carroll. They sent Bertans to the Wiz for a trade exception, which they used to sign Carroll, specifically so that they would have the whole MLE left for Morris. That's the long and short of it.

If they had kept Bertans, they would have still had the entire MLE open for Morris, so long as they didn't sign Carroll. They shipped Bertans for Carroll, who they don't even play. Colossal fuckup.

You could say that they were worried about what they would have to pay to keep Bertans after this year. But the alternative was letting him walk for nothing, right? Well they shipped him out and got...nothing. Because a player that never gets on the floor is nothing.

[TimDunkem]

Another fuck up in a long list of them since 2017.

[Kurgan]

Another fuck up in a long list of them since 2017.

Brian Wright joined the Spurs in 2016. No coincidence that the Spurs have made nothing but bad moves ever since. Remember, Wright was responsible for the garbage haul we got back in the Kawhi trade.

[JeffDuncan]

Brian Wright joined the Spurs in 2016. No coincidence that the Spurs have made nothing but bad moves ever since. Remember, Wright was responsible for the garbage haul we got back in the Kawhi trade.

Oh, geez, how much did Pop pay you to post that? Lol The person responsible for the Leonard trade is Gregg Popovich, with a little help from Buford.

[CGD]

Nope. The Spurs would have paid Hill, without a doubt. They loved Kawhi more, and sending Hill was the only way to get him.

This time, they wanted both Carroll and Morris. They knew that they needed the entire MLE to be able to sign Morris (they thought). So they couldn't use any of their MLE to sign Carroll. They sent Bertans to the Wiz for a trade exception, which they used to sign Carroll, specifically so that they would have the whole MLE left for Morris. That's the long and short of it.

If they had kept Bertans, they would have still had the entire MLE open for Morris, so long as they didn't sign Carroll. They shipped Bertans for Carroll, who they don't even play. Colossal fuckup.

You could say that they were worried about what they would have to pay to keep Bertans after this year. But the alternative was letting him walk for nothing, right? Well they shipped him out and got...nothing. Because a player that never gets on the floor is nothing.

Hindsight is always 2020. We can easily be looking at scenario where the desired/intended transaction, you know, actually became the transaction everyone bargained for before Morris’s bitchmade reneging.

And, then i think it’s a much closer call. On the spurs Morris is closer to what he was on The Celtics than on the putrid Knicks. As for Bert, even with it being a contract year and he being on shit chucking team with low pressure, I don’t think anyone saw this coming last summer. Good for him; he deserves to get paid!

[jermaine]

Looking at Bertans shoot now is like looking at happy dog off his leash doing wtf ever an when wtf ever it wants. Way to go Spurs, way to go.

[Ignazzz]

I didnt know:

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-remarkable-story-of-45-finger-sharpshooter-davis-bertans-182142827.html

http://e-nba.pl/uploads/monthly_2020_01/image.jpeg.f4c37064a073f6168b123bff8bf014ae.jpeg

[Coach X]

I always said he was a SHOOTING forward but Popovich play him at the 4 position as "spacer" PF. He played the SF all his career in Europe. One more thing everybody in the NBA will notice soon: he's not a bad defender when he matches with opp SFs or even big SGs. He's too weak to guard big man or real power forwards and he's not the presence you need to protect the rim as primary helper in a penetration but he's quite good rotating and helping out coming from the perimeter. Because he's very fast for his size and length and he can move his feet quickly and jump.

One of the most clear cases of playing somebody in the wrong position I've ever seen. He should be our starting SF next to DeRozan and Murray insted of Forbes.

[r0drig0lac]

I always said he was a SHOOTING forward but Popovich play him at the 4 position as "spacer" PF. He played the SF all his career in Europe. One more thing everybody in the NBA will notice soon: he's not a bad defender when he matches with opp SFs or even big SGs. He's too weak to guard big man or real power forwards and he's not the presence you need to protect the rim as primary helper in a penetration but he's quite good rotating and helping out coming from the perimeter. Because he's very fast for his size and length and he can move his feet quickly and jump.

One of the most clear cases of playing somebody in the wrong position I've ever seen. He should be our starting SF next to DeRozan and Murray insted of Forbes.

Many of us have been here saying the exact same thing. Pop tends to go against common sense many times.

[daslicer]

I always said he was a SHOOTING forward but Popovich play him at the 4 position as "spacer" PF. He played the SF all his career in Europe. One more thing everybody in the NBA will notice soon: he's not a bad defender when he matches with opp SFs or even big SGs. He's too weak to guard big man or real power forwards and he's not the presence you need to protect the rim as primary helper in a penetration but he's quite good rotating and helping out coming from the perimeter. Because he's very fast for his size and length and he can move his feet quickly and jump.

One of the most clear cases of playing somebody in the wrong position I've ever seen. He should be our starting SF next to DeRozan and Murray insted of Forbes.

He comes across to me as a modern day Detlef Shrempf. Same height and similar game except he has a quicker release.

[RC_Drunkford]

I always said he was a SHOOTING forward but Popovich play him at the 4 position as "spacer" PF. He played the SF all his career in Europe. One more thing everybody in the NBA will notice soon: he's not a bad defender when he matches with opp SFs or even big SGs. He's too weak to guard big man or real power forwards and he's not the presence you need to protect the rim as primary helper in a penetration but he's quite good rotating and helping out coming from the perimeter. Because he's very fast for his size and length and he can move his feet quickly and jump.

One of the most clear cases of playing somebody in the wrong position I've ever seen. He should be our starting SF next to DeRozan and Murray insted of Forbes.

Pop just loves to play players out of position. I was confused when he said he sees him as a PF rather than an SF when Bertans first got here, considering he played SF in Europe and players in the NBA have even more size. Davis also defended Z-Bo quite well in that 2017 Grizzlies series. Crazy that Pop wanted to ship him out just cause he couldn't guard Milsap

[UZER]

Many of us have been here saying the exact same thing. Pop tends to go against common sense many times.


The thing about Pop playing guys out of position is, sometimes it works, sometimes it fails.

The problem Pop has is not acknowledging when it has failed, and returning the player to their most comfortable, best position for the betterment of the player AND the team. He stubbornly does a huge disservice by continuing the square peg round hole thingy.

He attitude is if it doesn’t work, it’s because YOU are useless and can’t figure it out (ie Bertans constantly in the doghouse).

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1215795634495729665

https://www.nba.com/video/2020/01/10/0021900567-davis-bertans-washington-wizards-atlanta-hawks-dunk-1q/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[ZeusWillJudge]

Pop just loves to play players out of position. I was confused when he said he sees him as a PF rather than an SF when Bertans first got here, considering he played SF in Europe and players in the NBA have even more size. Davis also defended Z-Bo quite well in that 2017 Grizzlies series. Crazy that Pop wanted to ship him out just cause he couldn't guard Milsap


It made me wonder if Pop had even watched video of him.

Bertans and Bourousis played off each other very well. A buddy of mine swears that Bourousis wanted to come to the NBA, and the Spurs in particular, and the Spurs could have had him at a reasonable price. Didn't make as much sense with Bertans being a PF, but the pair of them could have made a big difference.

[emanueldavidginobili]

1217868067537137666

[FkLA]

Would be criminal if he doesn't get invited this year. Then again it was criminal that he wasn't invited last year. He was leading the league in 3PT% heading into the all-star game last year, IIRC.

[gambit1990]

invited to 3 point contest.

[DPG21920]

invited to 3 point contest.

Link?

[TimDunkem]

:lol Spurs

[gambit1990]

i don't think they've made it known publicly yet.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Yet the Wizards still suck.

[TimDunkem]

He's in the contest officially now.

[sasaint]

He's in the contest officially now.

Good for Davis. He is the poster child for the Inflexibility of the Old Asshole. Pop just HAD to force Davis into the PF role and punish him for his deficiencies at the position rather than putting him in a position to take advantage of his obvious shooting skill. I hope Davis wins the competition - perfect end to this story.

[TD 21]

Just the latest Spur to go elsewhere and instantly watch his profile explode. It's funny, he was 1st in % last year and practically campaigning, but because of who he played for it fell on deaf ears.

This organization has a perception problem and they do themselves no favors by refusing to promote their players. Now that they're "just another organization" (in a non glamor market, no less), they better get on top of this.

[cd98]

Well if the Spurs had kept him at least they'd have someone at all-star weekend.

[sasaint]

Just the latest Spur to go elsewhere and instantly watch his profile explode. It's funny, he was 1st in % last year and practically campaigning, but because of who he played for it fell on deaf ears.

This organization has a perception problem and they do themselves no favors by refusing to promote their players. Now that they're "just another organization" (in a non glamor market, no less), they better get on top of this.

Not as long as the Old Asshole is around. Won't happen.

[FkLA]

Good for Davis. He is the poster child for the Inflexibility of the Old Asshole. Pop just HAD to force Davis into the PF role and punish him for his deficiencies at the position rather than putting him in a position to take advantage of his obvious shooting skill. I hope Davis wins the competition - perfect end to this story.

Also the poster child for what happens to you when you aren't one of Pop's pets. Basically a 6-11 Klay Thompson and Pop spent all of last year running plays to get threes for Brent and Wombat instead. To this day, practically every play out of a timeout/to start a quarter is a designed play to get one a his pets a look from three. Wombat is killing it this year but he was awful the previous 4-5 years.

Also, Beli and Wombat shot like 20% combined and were directly responsible for multiple blown double digit leads in the DEN series and kept getting guaranteed minutes. Bert struggled with Millsap a game or two and was basically benched the rest of the series.


Just the latest Spur to go elsewhere and instantly watch his profile explode. It's funny, he was 1st in % last year and practically campaigning, but because of who he played for it fell on deaf ears.

This organization has a perception problem and they do themselves no favors by refusing to promote their players. Now that they're "just another organization" (in a non glamor market, no less), they better get on top of this.

He deserved it last year regardless but tbf his volume is way up this year. He was on pace to make 200+ threes earlier in the year. He wouldn't have been left off even if he was in SA with that type of volume.

Granted, for reasons that I stated above he would never be utilized in a way that would get him that type of volume in SA but that's beside the point.

[sasaint]

Well if the Spurs had kept him at least they'd have someone at all-star weekend.

Nah, he would be in the Demarre Carroll role.

[objective]

Just the latest Spur to go elsewhere and instantly watch his profile explode. It's funny, he was 1st in % last year and practically campaigning, but because of who he played for it fell on deaf ears.

This organization has a perception problem and they do themselves no favors by refusing to promote their players. Now that they're "just another organization" (in a non glamor market, no less), they better get on top of this.

Sad and true.

If Pop had spoken on behalf of Duncan a quarter as hard as guys like Carlisle campaigned for Artest then Duncan would have 3 or 4 well deserved DPOYs instead of the zero he retired with.

[RC_Drunkford]

Just the latest Spur to go elsewhere and instantly watch his profile explode. It's funny, he was 1st in % last year and practically campaigning, but because of who he played for it fell on deaf ears.

This organization has a perception problem and they do themselves no favors by refusing to promote their players. Now that they're "just another organization" (in a non glamor market, no less), they better get on top of this.

reminds me of when Jonathon Simmons wanted to get into the dunk contest, but then declined cause the old man wanted him to focus on "playing basketball" :lmao

Senilovich is fucking the franchise left and right


Currently, Washington isn’t trying to move Bertans, according to league sources, but is listening to calls (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2874443-caught-in-ugly-marcus-morris-deal-davis-bertans-now-a-coveted-trade-fa-target) from teams that are doing their due diligence and asking what his price tag would be as the trade deadline nears. Several executives around the league believe it would take at least a first-round pick for Washington to part with Bertans

Although Bertans will become an unrestricted free agent this summer, Washington—or a team that trades for him—will hold his Bird rights. That means he can be re-signed while exceeding the salary cap for any amount up to the maximum salary. He is expected to command a $15-17 million average annual salary, according to several NBA executives who spoke with Bleacher Report (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2874443-caught-in-ugly-marcus-morris-deal-davis-bertans-now-a-coveted-trade-fa-target).


Flopovich :lmao :lmao

:pop: "Let's trade him for Demarre Carroll. Carroll will look good in a suit behind the bench"

And now he's trying to trade Carroll, but nobody wants him :lmao :lmao

how dumb is this FO? They are definitely a bottom 5 front office in the NBA. This is Knicks level of idiocy

[objective]

reminds me of when Jonathon Simmons wanted to get into the dunk contest, but then declined cause the old man wanted him to focus on "playing basketball" :lmao

Senilovich is fucking the franchise left and right



Flopovich :lmao :lmao

:pop: "Let's trade him for Demarre Carroll. Carroll will look good in a suit behind the bench"

And now he's trying to trade Carroll, but nobody wants him :lmao :lmao

how dumb is this FO? They are definitely a bottom 5 front office in the NBA. This is Knicks level of idiocy

Exactly my feeling. This must be what it's like to be a Knicks fan.

At least they fired the coach and gm.

But that's why I'm not as down on Murray and White etc.

They're poorly coached and managed, not put in position to succeed.

If they have better coaching, I think they'll be unlocked and unleashed.

They knew Murray was as raw as possible coming into the league after terrible coaching at Washington, he had remedial skills. Why didn't they get a point guard assistant coach to tutor him? He needs to be better coached.

[emanueldavidginobili]

1226705747876220929

[slick'81]

Wizards are all in on resigning bertans. Hell get a fat deal to re up with the wiz

[Frenchfred]

:pop: "Let's trade him for Demarre Carroll. Carroll will look good in a suit behind the bench"

And now he's trying to trade Carroll, but nobody wants him :lmao :lmao

how dumb is this FO? They are definitely a bottom 5 front office in the NBA. This is Knicks level of idiocy

way to rewrite history. Bertans was not traded for Carroll but Morris. Morris is better than Bertans

[RC_Drunkford]

way to rewrite history. Bertans was not traded for Carroll but Morris. Morris is better than Bertans

That ain't true. Bertans was traded to get a trade exception so Spurs could absorb Carroll into cap space and then sign Morris with the MLE. If you want to make a point, at least make the correct one

[horseshue]

Yet the Wizards still suck.

Fun fact, wizards are closer to play-off than Spurs.

[duncan2k5]

Yet the Wizards still suck.

So we should never want any star or role player unless they are from a contending team? Davis wasn't signed as the savior of the wizards

[phxspurfan]

Wizards are all in on resigning bertans. Hell get a fat deal to re up with the wiz

Good for him, he's more than earned it. One of the best Euro players in the NBA tbh fwiw imo

[ceperez]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257195/Celtics-Aggressively-Pursued-Trade-For-Davis-Bertans

[phxspurfan]

Celtics/Jazz/Pacers FO upon spotting halfway decent white b-ball player:

https://media.tenor.com/images/ff9ed1e33808e890bab901286ae6b60b/tenor.gif

[SAGirl]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257195/Celtics-Aggressively-Pursued-Trade-For-Davis-Bertans
that means that at least one first was offered. It was rumored that the Wizards wanted 2.

[spurraider21]

That ain't true. Bertans was traded to get a trade exception so Spurs could absorb Carroll into cap space and then sign Morris with the MLE. If you want to make a point, at least make the correct one
yep. spurs plan was to sign morris with the MLE

but they already committed MLE money to Carroll. thats the mistake.

to fix the mistake, they had to trade bertans such that whatever they paid carroll would no longer come out of the MLE

[phxspurfan]

that means that at least one first was offered. It was rumored that the Wizards wanted 2.

He's giving first rounder production. Why the hell would they trade that away for a chance at a first rounder when they already have that. They're right to ask for 2 picks

[RC_Drunkford]

yep. spurs plan was to sign morris with the MLE

but they already committed MLE money to Carroll. thats the mistake.

to fix the mistake, they had to trade bertans such that whatever they paid carroll would no longer come out of the MLE

see I say they didn't even have to trade Bertans. They could've traded Mills, but he's culture. I'm of the opinion that they could've traded Belinelli's 6 million and worked something out with Carroll, so he gets the 1 million extra in his 2nd year. Not sure though. Doesn't matter, it was a dumb move to begin with. If you are looking to trade Bertans you should ask for at least a pick back

[ace3g]

See if Bertans can win the 3point contest

[ace3g]

Just followed Buddy's 27 with 26!!!

[TimDunkem]

Davis continuing to shit on PATFO and the sniffers. :lol

[CGD]

Remember the time Marco won it as a Spur?

[TimDunkem]

Remember the time Marco won it as a Spur?

Back when he was an NBA caliber player.

[Robz4000]

B3rtans imo

[TimDunkem]

Davis into the final round with Buddy and Book.

[Collins21]

Davis continuing to shit on PATFO and the sniffers. :lol

My god man it doesn't take a sniffer to say that the Spurs were right to trade him for a chance at Marcus Morris the fact that they were fucked over his another issue. This front office has been shit lately but it's idiotic to look back and say they were wrong for trying to upgrade the team.

[Robz4000]

He was gassed halfway into his second stint. Needs to work on that conditioning if he wants to be more than a 25 mpg weapon.

[TimDunkem]

He was gassed halfway into his second stint. Needs to work on that conditioning if he wants to be more than a 25 mpg weapon.

Not bad considering Trae Young was gassed halfway through the first. :lol

[daslicer]

Wanted to see him win the contest. I have got no hard feelings for him. He wanted to be here long term.

[spursparker9]

Happy for him. No chance he will blossom under Pop

[ceperez]

Just followed Buddy's 27 with 26!!!

Only an idiotic front office will trade this 6'10" 3 pt shooter instead of trading Belinelli or Forbes.

[dbestpro]

My god man it doesn't take a sniffer to say that the Spurs were right to trade him for a chance at Marcus Morris the fact that they were fucked over his another issue. This front office has been shit lately but it's idiotic to look back and say they were wrong for trying to upgrade the team.

We could have passed on Carroll and dumped Beli and would have been able to sign Morris and keep Bertans. Try again.

[paperboy77]

I swear that buddy heild guy just loves this type of stuff.

[wildbill2u]

I didn't know he was on the Alstar team this year. Good for Davis.

[phxspurfan]

Only an idiotic front office will trade this 6'10" 3 pt shooter instead of trading Belinelli or Forbes.

Not only that, but they sent a guy to Latvia for 2 years to develop his ass IIRC. Stupidest decision since Scola IMO

[phxspurfan]

I swear that buddy heild guy just loves this type of stuff.

New age chucker is chucker

[Trainwreck2100]

That ain't true. Bertans was traded to get a trade exception so Spurs could absorb Carroll into cap space and then sign Morris with the MLE. If you want to make a point, at least make the correct one
This is fake news Carroll agreed to a to a two year deal before they had confirmation from Morris. If Morris didn't agree Carroll would have been here on a two year deal along with bertans The trade was made to facilitate signing both and freeing up space for Morris

[spurraider21]

This is fake news Carroll agreed to a to a two year deal before they had confirmation from Morris. If Morris didn't agree Carroll would have been here on a two year deal along with bertans The trade was made to facilitate signing both and freeing up space for Morris
If they hadn’t rushed to sign Carroll who can’t even crack the rotation they wouldn’t have to make that call

[TimDunkem]

If they hadn’t rushed to sign Carroll who can’t even crack the rotation they wouldn’t have to make that call

It was bad no matter how you slice it.

Don't they work out FAs?

[RC_Drunkford]

it's not fake news cause you just said the same shit that I said and think you sound smart

[r0drig0lac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0aXXaFjSs

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0aXXaFjSs

:pop: "This guy is so bad. We're lucky that he's off the team."

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0aXXaFjSs
who needs that when you can buy out demarre carroll?

[GAustex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0aXXaFjSs
Carroll may not score that many points the rest of the season. What the f was poop thinking???
What a dumbass poop is

[FkLA]

What pisses me off the most is that Pop used him like he was Matt Bonner. Basically had him stand at the three point line to space the court.

The guys that he runs set plays for the most, that he has run around screens are his pets (Brent, Wombat, Belli). Fuck the 6-11 Klay Thompson, who's an infinitely better shooter off screens and on the run, who has much better size and a high release point though. He wasn't enough of a beautiful human being for Poop.

[sananspursfan21]

You guys gotta stop torturing yourselves :lol

[slick'81]

Davis so fckn bad ass

[JeffDuncan]

Not to mention Adebayo winning the NBA Skills Challenge, after Pop cut him from Team USA...

[SayTown]

The only thing I can think of is guys like Brent, Patty, and Marco remind Pop of himself in his younger playing days at the Air Force Academy and Pop is living vicariously through his favorite sons.

[ZeusWillJudge]

:pop: "He pushed Greg Monroe and got himself ejected from a game. There's no coming back after that. Not on my watch."

[Spurs Homer]

:pop: "He pushed Greg Monroe and got himself ejected from a game. There's no coming back after that. Not on my watch."


lol

[TimDunkem]

Not to mention Adebayo winning the NBA Skills Challenge, after Pop cut him from Team USA...

He wasn't ready nor would it have been fair to Plumlee...









:lmao

[KobesAchilles]

He wasn't ready nor would it have been fair to Plumlee...

Plumlee shut down Rudy Gay last year in the playoffs. Prbly why Pop was so high on him. Imagine A) a white center shitting all over a player Pop paid 16 million a year to. and B) Pop got a chance to coach him?? Bet the old man popped open a new bottle of wine after hearing that news







:lmao

[horseshue]

Look at those threes he makes. Pop would have bench him till the next season for pulling up from half cout early on the shoot clock.

[Dex]

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[alpha_HaZE]

And he sits out, because he absolutely sucks during playoffs when defences don't give him much space to shoot and he is useless otherwise, so he sits out because he is in contract year and doesn't want to get exposed again. Good grief.

[Dex]

Bertans and Fournier beefing now:

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[phxspurfan]

Bertans and Fournier beefing now:

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1275403812627415040

ooo fight fight fight

[Degoat]

Wish Fournier would have said that when Kawhi was refusing to play lmao

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Bertans is absolutely right to skip this farce. He's at the most important time of his career where he's going to get his one big contract, he can't risk injuries especially with his history. Now, could this affect a possible new contract from the Wizards because of ':crysitting out while his teammates are playing for the team:cry' I don't know, but I doubt it.

[dbestpro]

Don't disagree with Bertans decision at all. I would be happy to see the Spurs resign him providing Pop retired and Becky was hired or someone else who would use him properly.

[DAF86]

Bertans and Fournier beefing now:

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My Man takes no shit from no-one.

[Maddog]

1275074936197885959


I taught him everything he knows
The Nephew

[r0drig0lac]

Bertans and Fournier beefing now:

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1275403812627415040
like a boss

[Trainwreck2100]

Don't blame him for sitting out, from a basketball standpoint many of these player's conditioning will be all over the place. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few hamstring and foot problems before everything is said and done. Plus he's trying to get the bag

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DBertans_42/status/1304106584998653953

[timvp]

https://twitter.com/DBertans_42/status/1304106584998653953

Davis about to make so much money in free agency that he could buy Latvia, tbhhhhhhh