Manu Ginobili Expected Back For A 17th Season

[Thomas82]

Manu Ginobili is expected to return next season for his 17th year with the San Antonio Spurs, according to Mike Finger of the San Antonio Express-News.

Ginobili is under contract for one more season and slated to make $2.5 million in 2018-19.

“Soon, perhaps in the next few days, Ginobili will post a message on the Internet announcing his intentions for next season, and it will be a surprise if those intentions do not include continuing to allow Gregg Popovich to fulfill his vow to squeeze every last drop out of him like a tube of toothpaste,” Finger writes.

http://amicohoops.net/spurs-ginobili-expected-to-play-next-season/

[ducks]

10 minutes a game ok

[apalisoc_9]

Dissapointing.

But should be a nice retirement tour for him ala kobe.

Even Duncan wasnt this embraced.

[FkLA]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/782ba18e2ff1bb49a36ade1ab90f2869/tenor.gif?itemid=7549364

[dabom]

My niggas. :hat

[spursparker9]

6 pts 2 rebs 3 asts. 15min/game

[dabom]

6 pts 2 rebs 3 asts. 15min/game

+8.

[Robz4000]

Spurs can use all the non-defensive liabilities they can get.

[Mr. Body]

Fuck yeah. You haters can suck it.

[marinoman]

If you’re real quiet you can hear hater slitting his wrists

[SpurPadre]

Greatest Latino NBA player of all-time, tbh. Fuck yeah!!!

[Chinook]

Another way the team wasted money. Should have just had two one-year deals instead of one two-year. I ended up being wrong in my interpretation of his contract, though who knows what intent they had?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Dissapointing.

But should be a nice retirement tour for him ala kobe.

Even Duncan wasnt this embraced.

What's the matter? Jabari not returning your calls?

Go suck an egg.

[SPURt]

https://media.giphy.com/media/89x4osEodHEoo/200w.gif

[blizz]

Awesome. We need him back. Too many young guys who don’t know the way. Greatest spur after David and Tim.

[TDomination]

Awesome news!!

[spurs10]

https://media.giphy.com/media/89x4osEodHEoo/200w.gif "Peace out." :lol

[BackHome]

Love the dude so glad he is comming back.

[Leetonidas]

:cry uno mas Manu :cry

[coachmac87]

All the Manu haters/slash player fan aka Kawhi slurpers can blame Kawhi for his return....

He wasn’t going out like that...


One more year

[apalisoc_9]

Spurs can use all the non-defensive liabilities they can get.

Huh?

Manu is a defensive liability now.

I dont really have a problem with manu if the goal is a retirement tour.

But hes pretty much done.

[dabom]

I see deuce working overtime today...

[alpha_HaZE]

Happy to see him coming back for another year, but hopefully he will be on the bench and not on the floor.

[Slippy]

Nice one . Welcome back Manu.

[alpha_HaZE]

And then again Mike Finger denies it on Twitter.

[Play Boban]

5 years $200 million DO IT PATFO

[KimmyGib]

At 40 y/o, Manu was solid in the GS series. Clearly not finished.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

One more year of watching the Spurs. Uno mas Manu!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Great news! Poeltl approves.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27g3ivoswM

[Spurtacular]

Spurs keeping the legend and disposing of wife fucker. Solid.

[Emperor]

He still gots the biggest huevos out of anyone in this current Spurs squad. And mostly everyone besides Aldridge and Murray is a defensive liability anyways so the hell with it. Uno mas Manu!

[Spurtacular]

He still gots the biggest huevos out of anyone in this current Spurs squad. And mostly everyone besides Aldridge and Murray is a defensive liability anyways so the hell with it. Uno mas Manu!

Isn't just the one juevo now?

[cutewizard]

Manu is Manu, there is no one like Manu!

Manu lives on!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

Spurs keeping the legend and disposing of wife fucker. Solid.

:bobo:flag::lobt2:

[cutewizard]

I sense the NBA title...........

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

[Uriel]

That Mills-Ginobili-Gay-Bertans-Poeltl bench is going to be something else. It's going to be a redux of the 2014 "United Nations" Beautiful Game 2nd unit.

[TrainOfThought5]

I kind of wish we couldve kept kyle, tbh.

[r0drig0lac]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smihat.gif

[Dingle Barry]

I had been wanting him to retire but with how much the team has changed, my sentimental side kinda wants one more year of his link to the past.

[cutewizard]

I had been wanting him to retire but with how much the team has changed, my sentimental side kinda wants one more year of his link to the past.


:bobo

[barbacoataco]

Great. With limited minutes Manu is a great burst off the bench and he can still shoot the 3. Still a great passer and playmaker.

[Strategic]

Might as well. Spurs have to sell tickets some way this year or else move the home games to Littleton gym over at the Blossom athletic center.

[jermaine]

6 pts 2 rebs 3 asts. 15min/game

This is great buuuuuuuut, the most important impact he'll make is the things behind the scenes we won't see. Well, maybe during timeouts as he's show Demar or the youngins where to be an what to do.

[Russ]

In an off-season of good news and bad news, this is the best news!

[benefactor]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/7e0bddefa6105a00650f6fa4ea982921/tenor.gif

[DJR210]

:lol ^

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

starting 1 tbh

[Mouth is Bleeding]

The team will be with Manu there.

[TheDoctor]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/7e0bddefa6105a00650f6fa4ea982921/tenor.gif

:lol never gets old

[hater]

Gross

A fucking rotting mummy still around

[BSfromTX]

Fuck yeah. You haters can suck it.


Amen!!!!!

[Dverde]

Manu bases this decision on Vince Carter. He’ll never be the oldest player with him around.

[dbestpro]

Would love to see Manu spend the season as a player/coach. His knowledge is as good as any. If he is not active for a particular game, he would be great still providing info to the youngsters.

[BillMc]

Very glad he's back (if true). Manu can play for as long as he likes imo. He'll be a big help to the young guys' learning process.

[JPB]

Now we know who's gonna take the last shot.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Awesome!

[bdictjames]

Manu! Manu Manu Manu! Manu!!! Manu!!!

[Spurs1234]

So if Manu plays next year- any chance he comes back for one more year so that takes him to the 2020 olympics and he plays one more olympics? Seems like after the end of this year he would be so close to another Olympics. I know the plan was the Brazil games were the end of his career but at his point?

[PrimeMinister]

Dissapointing.

But should be a nice retirement tour for him ala kobe.

Even Duncan wasnt this embraced.

Hey man any good auntie websites?

[beirmeistr]

Come on, Manu, make it official.

[noles1983]

6 pts 2 rebs 3 asts. 15min/game

+ 4 turnovers.

[Immortal Spur]

Un poco mas Manu :cry

[pgardn]

Gross

A fucking rotting mummy still around

Thats your shriveled Johnson.

[Emperor]

Isn't just the one juevo now?

Damn. You're right :cry

[Mugen]

Glad Manu is back since he's probably one of the 4 best players on the team tbh. I really hope White doesn't get squeezed out of the rotation tho, he needs to see big minutes this season.

[BackHome]

I am glad Manu is comming back but I agree White needs to get a lot of burn but he also needs to stay healthy the whole season.

[J_Paco]

I love Manu, but I was really hoping he would call it quits. I'm fine with him returning if it is in a very, very limited capacity and it doesn't stunt the development/on - court time of Derrick White.

We desperately need to see what this young man has got and shouldn't waste another year of his rookie contract and youth in the G - League. He might have the lowest ceiling of the three young guards, but I think his game (especially offense) is most "NBA ready."

[TheGreatYacht]

This means White and Walker will be in Austin. At this point only our president can save us from stopping this Mexican who collects free paychecks due to his ethnicity

[superbigtime]

ole Manu!! Thanks Manu!!

[TimDunkem]

Great. White gets to sit on the bench for another year. Keep stalling younger players' development, Manu. Just as long as you keep cashing those checks. :tu

[TimDunkem]

I really hope White doesn't get squeezed out of the rotation tho, he needs to see big minutes this season.

He will. Wouldn't be fair to Manu, Fatty, Belli, or Forbes. :pop:

[Pavlov]

White's gonna play guys.

Relax.

[picnroll]

Ridiculous. White’s not going to Austin. Such drama queens.

[RD2191]

This means White and Walker will be in Austin. At this point only our president can save us from stopping this Mexican who collects free paychecks due to his ethnicity

Build the wall tbh

[weebo]

Manu is needed for more than what he can provide in stats. He's been more of a player coach the last few years--he'll help mentor some of the younger guys and be a leader in the locker room--or do you all expect losers per annum, Lamarsha or Defrozen to lead the team? :lol

[bklynspursfan]

White's gonna play guys.

Relax.
This.


Ridiculous. White’s not going to Austin. Such drama queens.

And this.

[Play Boban]

White is so overrated by this board.

[TheGreatYacht]

Gay/Belinelli
DeRozan/Manu
Murray/Mills

Who is White jumping in that rotation? Yeah. No one. Manure's nose will continue to stall White's development until the end of time.

Didnt even mention Forbes, who Crater face believes is a Steph Curry that can defend all-NBA players

[weebo]

Gay/Belinelli
DeRozan/Manu
Murray/Mills

Who is White jumping in that rotation? Yeah. No one. Manure's nose will continue to stall White's development until the end of time.

Didnt even mention Forbes, who Crater face believes is a Steph Curry that can defend all-NBA players

If White can show up and play, he'll get minutes--Murray and Mills will probably split time at the 2--don't expect Manu to be playing more than 10-12/game and he won't run on back to back nights. Just fuckin relax.

[TheGreatYacht]

If White can show up and play, he'll get minutes--Murray and Mills will probably split time at the 2--don't expect Manu to be playing more than 10-12/game and he won't run on back to back nights. Just fuckin relax.
:lmao

"Manu won't even play that many minutes"

Man, do you guys ever get tired of using that line? Year after year, the ugly fuck continues to close games and take last second fadeaway bricks that hit sideboard. His minutes actually went up this year too....

[hater]

This means White and Walker will be in Austin. At this point only our president can save us from stopping this Mexican who collects free paychecks due to his ethnicity

Wish trump would donsomething about this leech

[TheGreatYacht]

I just find it hilarious how all of you messicans gave Parker shit for "holding back" Murray and White, being a negative on both sides of the floor, and receiving mandatory minutes..... yet there Ginose is, doing the exact same thing while all of you whip out the maracas and piñatas

[weebo]

You really don't understand basketball lakerfan.

[TheGreatYacht]

Nice spin, weeaboo. You're not on my level kid. Don't ever try to debate me.

[DAF86]

Come on, Manu, make it official.

He doesn't have to, tbh. He's under contract. Folks don't expect Aldridge to come and say "I will play next season", so why Manu should be any different? It wouldn't surprise me if Manu already told Pop he's playing next season, but doesn't say shit to the media.

[timvp]

I'll wait for confirmation from Manu but this is definitely great news. Poeltl's value just rose ten percent.

[DAF86]

Gay/Belinelli
DeRozan/Manu
Murray/Mills

Who is White jumping in that rotation? Yeah. No one. Manure's nose will continue to stall White's development until the end of time.

Didnt even mention Forbes, who Crater face believes is a Steph Curry that can defend all-NBA players

It should be:

Murray, White, DeRozan, Bertans, Aldridge

Mills, Belli, Manu, Gay, Gasol

But I'm also afraid Pop doesn't have White as a rotation player on his mind.

[DAF86]

I'll wait for confirmation from Manu but this is definitely great news. Poeltl's value just rose ten percent.


He doesn't have to, tbh. He's under contract. Folks don't expect Aldridge to come and say "I will play next season", so why Manu should be any different? It wouldn't surprise me if Manu already told Pop he's playing next season, but doesn't say shit to the media.

[Coach X]

There are plenty of playing time for White even with Manu being on the rotation. Ginobili will average <20 min. and will rest complete games as DDR will do. None of the others guards or wings will average more than 25min per game.

Rudy Gay is a 4 nowadays, not a 3 anymore. You can expect Cunningham and Bertans to play mainly at the PF and some minutes at 3, but you have to assume Gasol won't play as much as last year and Aldridge is not playing even more so those and Lauvergne's will be Poetl's minutes.

82 games give lots of opportunities for all the players on the roster. We're going to suffer Forbes on the court with some kind of regularity and for sure we will enjoy a few minutes of Walker if he works well in Austin.

Manu's return is all good news. The ultimate professional, an excellent competitor, and a great leader. In absence of Tim Duncan he is the best example to be followed by our young Spurs.

[BatManu20]

https://i.gifer.com/93pJ.gif

[timvp]

I'll wait for confirmation from Manu but this is definitely great news. Poeltl's value just rose ten percent.


He doesn't have to, tbh. He's under contract. Folks don't expect Aldridge to come and say "I will play next season", so why Manu should be any different? It wouldn't surprise me if Manu already told Pop he's playing next season, but doesn't say shit to the media.

We both know Ginobili is going to announce his return (or his retirement) via an article.

[spurraider21]

He doesn't have to, tbh. He's under contract. Folks don't expect Aldridge to come and say "I will play next season", so why Manu should be any different? It wouldn't surprise me if Manu already told Pop he's playing next season, but doesn't say shit to the media.
what happened with duncan? mcdyess?

giving the vet a 2 year deal and then letting them retire after 1 and getting waived/paid for the second has been a thing with the spurs

[DAF86]

what happened with duncan? mcdyess?

giving the vet a 2 year deal and then letting them retire after 1 and getting waived/paid for the second has been a thing with the spurs

If he retires, of course he will anounce it. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if he already told Pop he will play next season, but didn't feel like he needed to anounce it publicly.

I don't think Manu is still in doubt about what he wants to do; and if he knows what he wants to do, he definitely already told the Spurs his plans.

[DPG21920]

I’m fine with it but this roster is so egregiously unbalanced with yet another guard. So many people will be asked to do things they are not capable of doing.

[BSfromTX]

Nice spin, weeaboo. You're not on my level kid. Don't ever try to debate me.


You don’t debate hardly anything. All of your posts are nothing but insults. How would anyone be able to take you seriously. Try just a tad humility and diplomacy once in a while... otherwise you just sound like a bunch of hot air

[BSfromTX]

I’m fine with it but this roster is so egregiously unbalanced with yet another guard. So many people will be asked to do things they are not capable of doing.


I agree. Would be surprised and a bit discouraged if there isn’t a move for a true SF

[spurraider21]

If he retires, of course he will anounce it. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if he already told Pop he will play next season, but didn't feel like he needed to anounce it publicly.

I don't think Manu is still in doubt about what he wants to do; and if he knows what he wants to do, he definitely already told the Spurs his plans.
I know. But the whole "he's under contract, so my assumption is that he's coming back" doesn't hold up given the Spurs track record with sending vets off to retirement.

[TD 21]

I just find it hilarious how all of you messicans gave Parker shit for "holding back" Murray and White, being a negative on both sides of the floor, and receiving mandatory minutes..... yet there Ginose is, doing the exact same thing while all of you whip out the maracas and piñatas


You're right. If this were Parker, even if he were playing at the level of Ginobili (which is overstated), this would be perceived as his being selfish.

White is already 24, quite possibly (probably?) the best play maker and 2nd best guard on the roster, yet he's likely going to be mostly out of the rotation if everyone is available.



There are plenty of playing time for White even with Manu being on the rotation. Ginobili will average <20 min. and will rest complete games as DDR will do. None of the others guards or wings will average more than 25min per game.


Rudy Gay is a 4 nowadays, not a 3 anymore. You can expect Cunningham and Bertans to play mainly at the PF and some minutes at 3, but you have to assume Gasol won't play as much as last year and Aldridge is not playing even more so those and Lauvergne's will be Poetl's minutes.

82 games give lots of opportunities for all the players on the roster. We're going to suffer Forbes on the court with some kind of regularity and for sure we will enjoy a few minutes of Walker if he works well in Austin.

Manu's return is all good news. The ultimate professional, an excellent competitor, and a great leader. In absence of Tim Duncan he is the best example to be followed by our young Spurs.

Gay is definitely a 4 nowadays (just like Aldridge is a 5), but 48 mpg of DeRozan, Belinelli and Ginobili at SF, is untenable. Even though they both lack lateral quickness, Gay and Cunningham are the only 2 at least somewhat physically capable of guarding big wings/combo forwards.

Sure, they'll be plenty of opportunity for Poeltl and White relative to typical fringe-non rotation players, but not nearly as much as there should be (barring significant injuries). Instead, they'll have to wait until '19-'20, when Ginobili retires and Gasol is waived, to assume the roles they should already be inheriting.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Awesome if true - I assumed he would. Let's hear it straight from the horse's mouth, but glad it's looking like we get another year of the legend.

[DAF86]

I know. But the whole "he's under contract, so my assumption is that he's coming back" doesn't hold up given the Spurs track record with sending vets off to retirement.

But that wasn't what I meant, tbh.

I didn't mean: "he's under contract, so I think he will come back". I meant: "he's under contract so, if he comes back, he might not anounce it".

[DAF86]

You're right. If this were Parker, even if he were playing at the level of Ginobili (which is overstated), this would be perceived as his being selfish.

White is already 24, quite possibly (probably?) the best play maker and 2nd best guard on the roster, yet he's likely going to be mostly out of the rotation if everyone is available.

Ginobili coming back shouldn't be the factor that decides if White is a rotation player or not, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Damn. You're right :cry

He probably fine, tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFsOlR7UUvI

[TD 21]

Ginobili coming back shouldn't be the factor that decides if White is a rotation player or not, tbh.

Unless you think Gay will be the third big, it will be. And if you think that, the trickle down effect will be Poeltl is definitely not in the rotation, because no matter how you slice it, the following 8 are locks: Aldridge, Gay, Gasol, DeRozan, Murray, Mills, Ginobili, Belinelli. Bertans, both in terms of need/salary, is the closest thing to a 9th one.

[DAF86]

Unless you think Gay will be the third big, it will be. And if you think that, the trickle down effect will be Poeltl is definitely not in the rotation, because no matter how you slice it, the following 8 are locks: Aldridge, Gay, Gasol, DeRozan, Murray, Mills, Ginobili, Belinelli. Bertans, both in terms of need/salary, is the closest thing to a 9th one.

Well, if it is, then it's Pop's mistake. The Spurs best rotation for next season should have both Manu and White in it, tbh.

The rotation that makes more sense to me is:


Murray, White, DeRozan, Bertans, Aldridge

Mills, Belli, Manu, Gay, Gasol.

[urunobili]

Confirms NBA League Pass Acquisition and farewell jersey buy. Also tickets to see him in the road :tu

[TD 21]

Well, if it is, then it's Pop's mistake. The Spurs best rotation for next season should have both Manu and White in it, tbh.

The rotation that makes more sense to me is:

I blame the front office for the bizarre and unnecessary Belinelli signing. In terms of the rotation, those idiots effectively picked a middling, redundant player over arguably their best playmaker and 2nd best guard. What's worse, he can do what Belinelli excels at (maybe not off movement, but still).

No rotation makes sense because the roster itself doesn't, but playing that small on the wings at all times really doesn't make sense. If Gay starts at SF, expect that unit to only actually play the first 6 minutes of the 1st/3rd quarters together.

[spurs10]

I'm hoping to hear it from the Man...I mean the Manu!

I think his decision will be influenced by the bad road the Spurs faced this summer in getting a team that wants to play together. I believe he'll take the big road and not directly attack Nephew, but I'm sure he especially doesn't appreciate what Pop had to deal with at a rough time. He'll be there for Pop and the Spurs!

Viva Manu Ginobili!! :flag:

[DAF86]

I blame the front office for the bizarre and unnecessary Belinelli signing. In terms of the rotation, those idiots effectively picked a middling, redundant player over arguably their best playmaker and 2nd best guard. What's worse, he can do what Belinelli excels at (maybe not off movement, but still).

No rotation makes sense because the roster itself doesn't, but playing that small on the wings at all times, really doesn't make sense. If Gay starts at SF, expect that unit to only actually play the first 6 minutes of the 1st/3rd quarters together.

Of course I would rather have a true SF on the roster but, as it is currently constructed, I think that rotation I posted is the best we can do. Gay can't play SF anymore. Playing him there would be a lot more hurtful than having DeRozan and Manu do it.

[TD 21]

Of course I would rather have a true SF on the roster but, as it is currently constructed, I think that rotation I posted is the best we can do. Gay can't play SF anymore. Playing him there would be a lot more hurtful than having DeRozan and Manu do it.

None of them have the requisite lateral quickness, but Gay at least has the length/strength to avoid being easily overpowered on drives and post-ups by any decent or better big wing.

[DAF86]

None of them have the requisite lateral quickness, but Gay at least has the length/strength to avoid being easily overpowered on drives and post-ups.

Gay would get eaten alive by driving wings. He would be a liability ala Anderson vs GS, when D'antoni had to buy his starters some breathing minutes. Manu and Demar wouldn't be defensive stoppers by any stretch of the imagination, but at least they wouldn't be glaring liabilities. Having Gay play SF would be like having Gasol do it. That's how bad Gay's lateral quickness is at this point of his career.

[gambit1990]

awesome.

[TD 21]

Gay would get eaten alive by driving wings. He would be a liability ala Anderson vs GS, when D'antoni had to buy his starters some breathing minutes. Manu and Demar wouldn't be defensive stoppers by any stretch of the imagination, but at least they wouldn't be glaring liabilities. Having Gay play SF would be like having Gasol do it. That's how bad Gay's lateral quickness is at this point of his career.

They would be. Starting, off the bench, SF, PF, the bottom line is, expect Gay and Cunningham to defend James, Durant, Antetokoumpo, etc.

Players don't always start or primarily play their best position, but rather the one they're either best suited to on their team or that allows the coach/organization to play the rotation they prefer.

[dbestpro]

Gay would get eaten alive by driving wings. He would be a liability ala Anderson vs GS, when D'antoni had to buy his starters some breathing minutes. Manu and Demar wouldn't be defensive stoppers by any stretch of the imagination, but at least they wouldn't be glaring liabilities. Having Gay play SF would be like having Gasol do it. That's how bad Gay's lateral quickness is at this point of his career.

The defense use to be designed to chase the shooters off the 3, and drive them into shot blockers. The way everyone shoots the three, this might be the best way to play the game today, anyway.

[gambit1990]

how bitter would the tony fans be if the spurs rang? :lol

[DAF86]

They would be. Starting, off the bench, SF, PF, the bottom line is, expect Gay and Cunningham to defend James, Durant, Antetokoumpo, etc.

Players don't always start or primarily play their best position, but rather the one they're either best suited to on their team or that allows the coach/organization to play the rotation they prefer.

Cunningham is not going to get meaningful minutes, stop it with that. :lol

And I doubt Gay sees much time at SF either. If Pop didn't play him much there last season, I doubt he does it now.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, if it is, then it's Pop's mistake. The Spurs best rotation for next season should have both Manu and White in it, tbh.

The rotation that makes more sense to me is:

Just going to disregard the starting caliber center we just picked up? Ok

[Truth4sale$]

Spurs need this simply for veteran leadership. Aldridge is not a vocal leader. Murray is eager but not yet ready to take the torch and run with it. Until then is Ginobili, Gasol and Patty Mills. I am good with that. Again, his basketball knowledge will be absorbed by hardworking selfless players like Murray, White and Walker. You can't put a price on that value. That knowledge will be last thru the next generation of players.

[TD 21]

Cunningham is not going to get meaningful minutes, stop it with that. :lol

And I doubt Gay sees much time at SF either. If Pop didn't play him much there last season, I doubt he does it now.

Cunningham has played meaningful minutes the past 7 seasons and been a part-time starter the past 4. He also received a portion of the MLE, as opposed to the minimum. The difference in salary was miniscule, by the symbolism wasn't. He wouldn't have come here to be end of the bench filler and if that's all they were looking for, they would have signed someone younger.

As I said, I wouldn't expect a Gay at SF starting lineup to play more than the first 6 minutes of the 1st/3rd quarters together. It would be for the dual purpose of having size on the wing in spurts and keeping Mills out of the starting lineup/reuniting him with Ginobili and Belinelli.

[exstatic]

Cunningham is not going to get meaningful minutes, stop it with that. :lol

And I doubt Gay sees much time at SF either. If Pop didn't play him much there last season, I doubt he does it now.
I think Pop didn’t play Gay much at the 3 because he didn’t want him to get too comfortable there. Everyone though the nephew would return.

You guys act like he’s Manus age. He’ll be 32 just before camp, and was still recovering from his Achilles most of last year.

[Play Boban]

Manu will probably play 18-20 MPG as he has for the last several years tbh. Chill with the 10-12 MPG predictions. :lol

[Down Under]

As long as he's playing the majority of minutes at SF, like last season, should be ok

[Solid D]

Manu is still an awesome competitor and contributor.
Favorite Spur.

[baseline bum]

In an off-season of good news and bad news, this is the best news!

What has the good news this offseason been? That Aldridge didn't blow out his knee playing summer ball like TC did in 92?

[ElNono]

What has the good news this offseason been?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274701

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274746

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274581


TBH

[DAF86]

I think Pop didn’t play Gay much at the 3 because he didn’t want him to get too comfortable there. Everyone though the nephew would return.

You guys act like he’s Manus age. He’ll be 32 just before camp, and was still recovering from his Achilles most of last year.

He could be 20 and his lateral quickness would still be non-existant.

[callo1]

Excellent!

Need a guy on the court to direct the team. Manu showed us last year he had more left in the tank.

Manu's knowledge will be invaluable. ..player/coach.

One of the most fierce competitors to ever walk out on to the hardwood.

So fortunate to have been witness to such a wonderful career.

[baseline bum]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274701

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274746

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274581


TBH

I suppose, the Beli deal was pretty good. Losing Parker is bittersweet, especially since this is a treadmill team now. But Manu actually announcing he's coming back would be the first really good thing to happen this summer. I don't trust our local sources, especially not after fake news WOAI claimed Kawhi and the Spurs were close to signing a supermax extension.

[cutewizard]

This is great buuuuuuuut, the most important impact he'll make is the things behind the scenes we won't see. Well, maybe during timeouts as he's show Demar or the youngins where to be an what to do.


------------------------------------------

:bobo

MANU SHALL BE THE JEDI TEACHER for the younglings!!!!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22cdBDK-8hk

[Stabula]

The Emerald Tablets of Thoth by Hermes Trismegistus

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaUChDbA0s0

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GErY5PNSPw

[TimDunkem]

Pop and DeRozan USA minicamp video in the Manu thread.

K.

[szkorhetz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4z2-jgigXc

[cutewizard]

Manu rulessssxssssxxsxsss

[AaronY]

Another way the team wasted money. Should have just had two one-year deals instead of one two-year. I ended up being wrong in my interpretation of his contract, though who knows what intent they had?
We're not going to do anything this year so might as well enjoy watching one of our favorite players a little more

[SpursDynasty85]

Manu will probably play 18-20 MPG as he has for the last several years tbh. Chill with the 10-12 MPG predictions. :lol

So he will play 20 mpg until he dies? Perfectly fine to expect a drop off especially after last year's Kawhi fiasco and Gay being injured which made Pop rely more on Ginobili.

[Chinook]

We're not going to do anything this year so might as well enjoy watching one of our favorite players a little more

That's fine. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of keeping Manu, but that's not the problem here. The problem is that they seem to be up against the tax but still spent a million bucks they didn't need to by not making Manu's deal a one-and-one. They're probably going to do something cheap like not offering guys guaranteed money to get good camp competition, passing on possible trades that add salary or fail to use the LLE because they are worried about the tax. So them not taking full advantage of the CBA doesn't sit well with me.

[SpursDynasty85]

That's fine. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of keeping Manu, but that's not the problem here. The problem is that they seem to be up against the tax but still spent a million bucks they didn't need to by not making Manu's deal a one-and-one. They're probably going to do something cheap like not offering guys guaranteed money to get good camp competition, passing on possible trades that add salary or fail to use the LLE because they are worried about the tax. So them not taking full advantage of the CBA doesn't sit well with me.

Manu at 2.5 M a yr is a steal! Just stop it.

[ducks]

metu cheaper

[Play Boban]

So he will play 20 mpg until he dies? Perfectly fine to expect a drop off especially after last year's Kawhi fiasco and Gay being injured which made Pop rely more on Ginobili.

Until he retires, yes. Believe me.

[ducks]

Until he retires, yes. Believe me.

you are right always?

[shaq_h8ter]

Thats your shriveled Johnson.

Shriveled Johnson, the best to ever play the game!

:flag:

[Chinook]

Manu at 2.5 M a yr is a steal! Just stop it.

Stop being a chode. It's not about the money. The CBA would have let the Spurs keep Manu, Manu make the same money, but only 60 percent of his deal count against the cap had they just structured the contract differently last year. It doesn't matter how good you think Manu is. The Spurs spent more than they had to. That's the issue.

[spurraider21]

:worthy: Manu

4 more years! 4 more years!

[Play Boban]

you are right always?

Yes.

For example, I was right about Kawhitter all along.

[SpursDynasty85]

Stop being a chode. It's not about the money. The CBA would have let the Spurs keep Manu, Manu make the same money, but only 60 percent of his deal count against the cap had they just structured the contract differently last year. It doesn't matter how good you think Manu is. The Spurs spent more than they had to. That's the issue.

I'm not trying to be a chode but you are arguing like they had much more of a choice in the signing. Have you thought maybe Manu wanted the player option? It is a miracle he is even still effective in the NBA so him wanting that option might be what made him satisfied. Your nitpicking a 2.5M 6th man legend contract.

[callo1]

Manu will help win games during timeouts, even if he doesn't come in the game afterward.

Manu can still take 20 year old kids off the dribble.

With TP and Danny being gone, this team needs a stabilizing presence.

[spursistan]

1023516864327168000

One of the most influential players in league history..

[Quadzilla99]

Yes.

For example, I was right about Kawhitter all along.

Predicting players like Boban Marjanovic was where the NBA was headed was a good look for you too

[Play Boban]

Predicting players like Boban Marjanovic was where the NBA was headed was a good look for you too
Link?

BTW, fitting username with the whole Kawhitter fiasco. :lol

[Chinook]

I'm not trying to be a chode but you are arguing like they had much more of a choice in the signing. Have you thought maybe Manu wanted the player option? It is a miracle he is even still effective in the NBA so him wanting that option might be what made him satisfied. Your nitpicking a 2.5M 6th man legend contract.

You're not getting what I'm saying. The problem isn't that Manu is getting $2.5 Million. It's that SA didn't exploit the rules to make the league pay for about $1 Million of it. It would have made no difference for Manu's pocketbook. But it would have given the Spurs more room under the tax. If we could have any confidence that they'd go into the tax, it wouldn't matter. But they will cheap out on something this season. It's just a waste.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm not trying to be a chode but you are arguing like they had much more of a choice in the signing. Have you thought maybe Manu wanted the player option? It is a miracle he is even still effective in the NBA so him wanting that option might be what made him satisfied. Your nitpicking a 2.5M 6th man legend contract.

I think this is precisely what Chinook is arguing - it wasn't an option, it was guaranteed. If it had been an option Manu could have opted out and signed for the vet min, in which case not all of his salary would have counted against the cap. As the Spurs are only about $1.5 mil under the tax this would matter in a possible future trade where they'd have to take more money that would push them above the tax and it'd mean they'd need to do another deal, and possibly lose an asset, just to get back under the tax. That million or so that they unnecessarily put on the cap could limit their trading options.

[cutewizard]

Pop should limit Manu to half of the games or less

Strictly Mentor role in the regular season, then Bench Integrator in the playoffs.....

[SpursDynasty85]

You're not getting what I'm saying. The problem isn't that Manu is getting $2.5 Million. It's that SA didn't exploit the rules to make the league pay for about $1 Million of it. It would have made no difference for Manu's pocketbook. But it would have given the Spurs more room under the tax. If we could have any confidence that they'd go into the tax, it wouldn't matter. But they will cheap out on something this season. It's just a waste.

You're right that I don't get it. All I'm saying is maybe the way it was structured was exactly how Manu wanted it. How would you structure it where you gave Manu the same guarantee but gave the Spurs more flexibility?

[SpursDynasty85]

I think this is precisely what Chinook is arguing - it wasn't an option, it was guaranteed. If it had been an option Manu could have opted out and signed for the vet min, in which case not all of his salary would have counted against the cap. As the Spurs are only about $1.5 mil under the tax this would matter in a possible future trade where they'd have to take more money that would push them above the tax and it'd mean they'd need to do another deal, and possibly lose an asset, just to get back under the tax. That million or so that they unnecessarily put on the cap could limit their trading options.

But isn't guaranteed money better than the player option then? Not trying to frustrate you but if it was guaranteed, Manu could've retired and still gotten paid a portion of all of his salary? Isn't that clearly better than a player option which is something Manu may have demanded last offseason?

[Chinook]

But isn't guaranteed money better than the player option then? Not trying to frustrate you but if it was guaranteed, Manu could've retired and still gotten paid a portion of all of his salary? Isn't that clearly better than a player option which is something Manu may have demanded last offseason?

Player options are also guaranteed. Tim opted in before he retired. Manu could have done the same.

[SpursDynasty85]

Player options are also guaranteed. Tim opted in before he retired. Manu could have done the same.

If Manu retires does he get the same amount of money with the player option? If it is, then I apologize and you are right. But if the structure gave Manu more guaranteed money without playing this year, he probably wanted it that way and definitely deserved it. Pau's contract on the other hand...

[Chinook]

If Manu retires does he get the same amount of money with the player option? If it is, then I apologize and you are right. But if the structure gave Manu more guaranteed money without playing this year, he probably wanted it that way and definitely deserved it. Pau's contract on the other hand...
To directly answer your question: Neither option guaranteed Manu money this season had retired without PATFO's blessing, but opting in would have given him the identical contract to the one he really signed, so in that sense he would have had the same guaranteed money.

When I said at the top that I ended up being wrong in my analysis, it wasn't because I misread the pros and cons. A 1-and-1 was still superior to a two-year deal for both sides except for one specific scenario. Had he wanted to keep playing, he could have opted out and either signed a deal that got him more money (2016) or just saved SA more by signing a new one-year deal. Had he wanted to retire, he would have just opted in and taken his check. As far as non-option years allowing the player to retire and keep the money, that's not true. Had Manu retired without SA's blessing, he'd have to give back this upcoming year's salary, whether he opted in or naturally had that year on the books. SA chose to give Tim his salary (probably as deferred compensation already agreed to), and they would have chosen to do so with Manu as well.

The only scenario where no option makes sense is if Manu legit doesn't trust PATFO to re-sign him if he opted out. Out of the Big Three, Manu's had the most run-ins with the front office, and he's seemed to be the most sensitive to Pop "wanting" him back. By doing a deal this way, Manu gets to ignore any potential snags to coming back. He can go to Argentina or another country without having to worry about opting in or having to sign anything. Maybe that convenience is worth it, but the stink of distrust in PATFO it brings was ill-timed all things considered.

[SpursDynasty85]

To directly answer your question: Neither option guaranteed Manu money this season had retired without PATFO's blessing, but opting in would have given him the identical contract to the one he really signed, so in that sense he would have had the same guaranteed money.

When I said at the top that I ended up being wrong in my analysis, it wasn't because I misread the pros and cons. A 1-and-1 was still superior to a two-year deal for both sides except for one specific scenario. Had he wanted to keep playing, he could have opted out and either signed a deal that got him more money (2016) or just saved SA more by signing a new one-year deal. Had he wanted to retire, he would have just opted in and taken his check. As far as non-option years allowing the player to retire and keep the money, that's not true. Had Manu retired without SA's blessing, he'd have to give back this upcoming year's salary, whether he opted in or naturally had that year on the books. SA chose to give Tim his salary (probably as deferred compensation already agreed to), and they would have chosen to do so with Manu as well.

The only scenario where no option makes sense is if Manu legit doesn't trust PATFO to re-sign him if he opted out. Out of the Big Three, Manu's had the most run-ins with the front office, and he's seemed to be the most sensitive to Pop "wanting" him back. By doing a deal this way, Manu gets to ignore any potential snags to coming back. He can go to Argentina or another country without having to worry about opting in or having to sign anything. Maybe that convenience is worth it, but the stink of distrust in PATFO it brings was ill-timed all things considered.

Thanks for the insight. I definitely agree that Manu has had the most trouble with his contracts. His first extension I recall was a ridiculously good deal considering he was more valuable than Parker at that time. And when he got that Philly offer I'm sure Spurs were dangling veteran minimum contracts in front of him at that time too.

It would be sad to see Manu retire and not keep a more stable position within the organization. I recall a few offseasons ago he said he would not consider coaching in the NBA. He must've seen how much stress Pop goes through and envisioned how much less hair he would have. All in all, Manu's contribution to the organization is legendary and generous at the same time. Still hoping he takes an assistant coach position here in the future.

[DAF86]

You're not getting what I'm saying. The problem isn't that Manu is getting $2.5 Million. It's that SA didn't exploit the rules to make the league pay for about $1 Million of it. It would have made no difference for Manu's pocketbook. But it would have given the Spurs more room under the tax. If we could have any confidence that they'd go into the tax, it wouldn't matter. But they will cheap out on something this season. It's just a waste.

Is there a plausible explination for why PATFO didn't do this, or they just fucked it up?

[Chinook]

Is there a plausible explination for why PATFO didn't do this, or they just fucked it up?

I went into a theory a bit earlier, but I actually think Manu intended to retire. Like, REALLY intended to, to the point where I'm still not sure he's coming back (has anyone actually confirmed this outside of Amico?). In that regard, last year was just a "last ride" sort of thing. The easiest answer without going into anything meta is that PATFO didn't care about the flexibility and saw a chance to get Manu for the same money whether he came back or retired. They avoided any chance of paying him $14 Million this season by doing this, though it seems unlikely that that was going to happen.

[Quadzilla99]

Link?

BTW, fitting username with the whole Kawhitter fiasco. :lol

Oh so you didn't want to play boban?

[BillMc]

Can Manu make this official already. Paul is gone. We all know its going to happen.

[gambit1990]

https://image.ibb.co/dUm1Yo/Capture.jpg

[illusioNtEk]

I have a feeling he is not coming back :(

[K...]

I have a feeling he is not coming back :(

He's on this long long vacation (its all on Insta and Twitter). I can imagine him wanting to cram in family before starting grueling training, or being so far away that he cant imagine coming back.

[cutewizard]

Thanks for the insight. I definitely agree that Manu has had the most trouble with his contracts. His first extension I recall was a ridiculously good deal considering he was more valuable than Parker at that time. And when he got that Philly offer I'm sure Spurs were dangling veteran minimum contracts in front of him at that time too.

It would be sad to see Manu retire and not keep a more stable position within the organization. I recall a few offseasons ago he said he would not consider coaching in the NBA. He must've seen how much stress Pop goes through and envisioned how much less hair he would have. All in all, Manu's contribution to the organization is legendary and generous at the same time. Still hoping he takes an assistant coach position here in the future.

Agree......

[SAGirl]

So any real news on Manu?
August already. Probably by the end of the month guys usually start to get together for training camp. He has to know a already which way his heart is swinging.

[Play Boban]

He’s coming back according to my sauces. The guy at the local Whataburger is friends with the dude who works at the car wash next door and his girlfriend’s brother’s father’s cousin knows someone in Baha’i Blanca who knows a guy who works at the store Manu’s father’s friend frequents. It’s all but comfirmed.

[sammy]

Awesome! GOAT!

[kuato]

He’s coming back according to my sauces. The guy at the local Whataburger is friends with the dude who works at the car wash next door and his girlfriend’s brother’s father’s cousin knows someone in Baha’i Blanca who knows a guy who works at the store Manu’s father’s friend frequents. It’s all but comfirmed.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11112/111120335/5424583-luis.jpg

[Dex]

So any real news on Manu?
August already. Probably by the end of the month guys usually start to get together for training camp. He has to know a already which way his heart is swinging.

1024665977001107457

No official news yet, but per his Twitter, he is still out vacationing. I really doubt we get a formal decision from him until he is done trek setting.

That said....all signs seem to point to him coming back. As you said, it would be awful late in the game for him to surprise PATFO with a retirement announcement, and Manu doesn't seem like the type who is going to get the Spurs stuck in a situation with their pants down. I feel like he has given them some sort of indication, and they seem to be acting like they expect him back.

[bklynspursfan]

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11112/111120335/5424583-luis.jpg

:lol

[BillMc]

SJax at 14:36 or so starts saying he wants Manu to come back, that it would be good for Demar, and he loves Manu. This, of course, flows into his self-myth making and then to his mandatory Tony bashing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW39ukbHtCk

Nothing new, but hey, nothing new to report anywhere.

[DAF86]

Damn, salty fuck straight up murdered Tony. :lol

[Ice009]

LOL. Well, since he trashed Tony, I kind of liked it. I did feel Tony was selfish at times and still don't understand why Jack didn't get the ball more in game 6 Vs OKC where he was the only one with the balls to make his shots.

[cd98]

I always thought S Jackson didn't like Manu. Seems that's not the case.

[cd98]

LOL. Well, since he trashed Tony, I kind of liked it. I did feel Tony was selfish at times and still don't understand why Jack didn't get the ball more in game 6 Vs OKC where he was the only one with the balls to make his shots.

That was one of the last Tony "This is my Team" games before the reins were handed to Kawhi.

[TimmyBuckets]

Mentions Tony any time he can. Salty bitch gonna salt.

[gambit1990]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW39ukbHtCk


salty or not the dude has more team insight than anyone on this board...

-"ginobili and tim, best they come."
-"tony was real selfish on the court."

agreed brah :toast

[Ice009]

I always thought S Jackson didn't like Manu. Seems that's not the case.

I knew he liked him in 2003 and on ward, but I thought he started not liking him in his second stint here. I thought DG and Manu were the guys that he refused to say are better than him (if that story is true in regard to the reason he was cut from the team).

[SpursDynasty85]

SJax at 14:36 or so starts saying he wants Manu to come back, that it would be good for Demar, and he loves Manu. This, of course, flows into his self-myth making and then to his mandatory Tony bashing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW39ukbHtCk

Nothing new, but hey, nothing new to report anywhere.

He says TP is selfish when he never shot better than 43.5% from the field. Pretty laughable.

[YGWHI]

I knew he liked him in 2003 and on ward, but I thought he started not liking him in his second stint here. I thought DG and Manu were the guys that he refused to say are better than him (if that story is true in regard to the reason he was cut from the team).
To be fair, Danny wasn't exactly better than him. Danny was younger and one of the best defenders in the league, I still love him so much but was never the type of SJax/player.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

He’s coming back according to my sauces. The guy at the local Whataburger is friends with the dude who works at the car wash next door and his girlfriend’s brother’s father’s cousin knows someone in Baha’i Blanca who knows a guy who works at the store Manu’s father’s friend frequents. It’s all but comfirmed.

done effin deal

[TheGreatYacht]

LOL. Well, since he trashed Tony, I kind of liked it. I did feel Tony was selfish at times and still don't understand why Jack didn't get the ball more in game 6 Vs OKC where he was the only one with the balls to make his shots.
You're a fucking idiot.

Parker had 29 points and 12 assists that game. Tim had 25 points and 14 rebounds. SJax had 23 points off the bench.

Guess who didn't show up? Manure Ginose, of course. 10 points, 4/12 shooting, 1 assist, 3TO, 5 fouls, worst +/- on the team (-14)

[Ice009]

Stephen Jackson was hitting every shot. TP's offense dried up in the second half. He should have been looking to get Jack the ball more in the second half when the Thunder were making their run.

[exstatic]

To be fair, Danny wasn't exactly better than him. Danny was younger and one of the best defenders in the league, I still love him so much but was never the type of SJax/player.

I don't know if most people know it, but Jack's career 3G% was 33.5. Danny's is 39.5. Danny shot 40+ % in 4 straight seasons. Jack never did. Even Danny's poor season in 2015 (33.2) was right around Jack's career 3G number.

Jack was in no position to complain about regular season minutes in 2013. Both Manu and Danny were playing better than his usual replacement level regular season self.

[sasaint]

I don't know if most people know it, but Jack's career 3G% was 33.5. Danny's is 39.5. Danny shot 40+ % in 4 straight seasons. Jack never did. Even Danny's poor season in 2015 (33.2) was right around Jack's career 3G number.

Jack was in no position to complain about regular season minutes in 2013. Both Manu and Danny were playing better than his usual replacement level regular season self.

Thanks for the goods. :toast

[diego]

You're a fucking idiot.

Parker had 29 points and 12 assists that game. Tim had 25 points and 14 rebounds. SJax had 23 points off the bench.

Guess who didn't show up? Manure Ginose, of course. 10 points, 4/12 shooting, 1 assist, 3TO, 5 fouls, worst +/- on the team (-14)

:lol cherrypicker

game 1:
Parker: 18/8/6, 6-15
Manu: 26/5/3, 9-14
Spurs win by 3

game 2:
Parker: 34/3/8, 16-21
Manu: 20/1/4, 6-11
Spurs win by 9

game 3:
Parker: 16/3/4, 6-12
Manu: 8/6/1, 1-5
OKC win by 20

game 4:
Parker: 12/2/4, 5-15
Manu: 13/0/4, 4-7
okc win by 6

game 5:
(manu brought to starting lineup after spurs lose 2-0 lead):
Parker: 20/4/4, 5-14
Manu: 34/6/7, 11-21
okc win by 5

game 6:
Parker: 29/3/12, 12-27
Manu: 10/5/1, 4-12
okc win by 8

how was a 29 year old in his prime starter outplayed by a 34 year old bench player in the most important games of any series? (games 1 and 5)
parker the point guard lead the spurs with 129 pts on 104 FGA- manu had 111 on 70, jackson 71 on 35! maybe the point guard should have done his job and fed the more efficient scorers on his team

[diego]

and i dislike jackson, for leaving in the first place and then the additional drama afterwards, but he was on fire that series and should have been used a lot more than 35 shots in 6 games.

also, everytime draymond green has a hissy fit and gets away with it, i remember jackson getting a T for giving a cold stare to the OKC bench :cuss

[daslicer]

and i dislike jackson, for leaving in the first place and then the additional drama afterwards, but he was on fire that series and should have been used a lot more than 35 shots in 6 games.

also, everytime draymond green has a hissy fit and gets away with it, i remember jackson getting a T for giving a cold stare to the OKC bench :cuss

I don't care about that series anymore. Spurs winning in '14 made up for it. Jax is a bitch who will constantly bring up that series simply because it was his last chance to win a ring. He's not worth taking seriously after the shit he pulled in '13.

[SpurPadre]

SJax at 14:36 or so starts saying he wants Manu to come back, that it would be good for Demar, and he loves Manu. This, of course, flows into his self-myth making and then to his mandatory Tony bashing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW39ukbHtCk

Nothing new, but hey, nothing new to report anywhere.

At some point, TP needs to hit back at Jax, tbh. Or maybe he already fucked his girl, tbh.

[TimmyBuckets]

At some point, TP needs to hit back at Jax, tbh. Or maybe he already fucked his girl, tbh.

:lmao:lmao

[exstatic]

At some point, TP needs to hit back at Jax, tbh. Or maybe he already fucked his girl, tbh.

His hitback will be when he's inducted to the bball HOF in Springfield. Jack probably doesn't even have his number retired by his HS.

[daslicer]

I always thought S Jackson didn't like Manu. Seems that's not the case.

Jax is a manipulative POS. I don't even think he likes Manu or Tim. He's just a selfish POS trying to prop himself up. This is the same guy who attacked Manu's manhood a few months ago by saying Manu doesn't have the guts to confront Kawhi. He's also been on record saying Kobe is better than Duncan. He's a very salt guy who will continuously attack Parker because Parker is the easiest target to attack out of the big 3.

[daslicer]

LOL. Well, since he trashed Tony, I kind of liked it. I did feel Tony was selfish at times and still don't understand why Jack didn't get the ball more in game 6 Vs OKC where he was the only one with the balls to make his shots.

Didn't enjoy it all. I have no respect for this POS person who played a big role in causing the Spurs to trade Kawhi. Jax made the situation worse by screaming like a salty bitch and claiming that Pop told Manu and Tony to call the player's meeting. The media ran with that narrative and it just made things 100 x worse then what they were from that point forward.

I will never respect Jax. Jax to me is a TMZ wannabe with his tabloid gossip about the Spurs. I'm going off subject here but I did laugh when he said on Fox Sports that he knows Kawhi and is very close friends with him. Which we know is him making up some bs to push his agenda about the Spurs.

[daslicer]

His hitback will be when he's inducted to the bball HOF in Springfield. Jack probably doesn't even have his number retired by his HS.

There will be a few hitbacks. Parker getting his jersey retired, induction in the HOF, also Jax not getting invited to the '03 championship reunion in 2023. I'm assuming the Spurs will not invite Jax to that reunion after all the shit he put them through.

[BillMc]

At some point, TP needs to hit back at Jax, tbh. Or maybe he already fucked his girl, tbh.
:lol


His hitback will be when he's inducted to the bball HOF in Springfield. Jack probably doesn't even have his number retired by his HS.

WELL SAID.:toast


Jax is a manipulative POS. I don't even think he likes Manu or Tim. He's just a selfish POS trying to prop himself up. This is the same guy who attacked Manu's manhood a few months ago by saying Manu doesn't have the guts to confront Kawhi. He's also been on record saying Kobe is better than Duncan. He's a very salt guy who will continuously attack Parker because Parker is the easiest target to attack out of the big 3.

ALL TRUE.:bobo

[daslicer]

Anyways I don't believe the Spurs would have beaten Miami in 2012. Lebron was on a mission that year to win his first title and it was the last year where Wade was still a superstar player.

[SpurPadre]

His hitback will be when he's inducted to the bball HOF in Springfield. Jack probably doesn't even have his number retired by his HS.

Good point.

[gambit1990]

:lol cherrypicker

game 1:
Parker: 18/8/6, 6-15
Manu: 26/5/3, 9-14
Spurs win by 3

game 2:
Parker: 34/3/8, 16-21
Manu: 20/1/4, 6-11
Spurs win by 9

game 3:
Parker: 16/3/4, 6-12
Manu: 8/6/1, 1-5
OKC win by 20

game 4:
Parker: 12/2/4, 5-15
Manu: 13/0/4, 4-7
okc win by 6

game 5:
(manu brought to starting lineup after spurs lose 2-0 lead):
Parker: 20/4/4, 5-14
Manu: 34/6/7, 11-21
okc win by 5

game 6:
Parker: 29/3/12, 12-27
Manu: 10/5/1, 4-12
okc win by 8

how was a 29 year old in his prime starter outplayed by a 34 year old bench player in the most important games of any series? (games 1 and 5)
parker the point guard lead the spurs with 129 pts on 104 FGA- manu had 111 on 70, jackson 71 on 35! maybe the point guard should have done his job and fed the more efficient scorers on his team
nice.

[SpursDynasty85]

:lol cherrypicker

game 1:
Parker: 18/8/6, 6-15
Manu: 26/5/3, 9-14
Spurs win by 3

game 2:
Parker: 34/3/8, 16-21
Manu: 20/1/4, 6-11
Spurs win by 9

game 3:
Parker: 16/3/4, 6-12
Manu: 8/6/1, 1-5
OKC win by 20

game 4:
Parker: 12/2/4, 5-15
Manu: 13/0/4, 4-7
okc win by 6

game 5:
(manu brought to starting lineup after spurs lose 2-0 lead):
Parker: 20/4/4, 5-14
Manu: 34/6/7, 11-21
okc win by 5

game 6:
Parker: 29/3/12, 12-27
Manu: 10/5/1, 4-12
okc win by 8

how was a 29 year old in his prime starter outplayed by a 34 year old bench player in the most important games of any series? (games 1 and 5)
parker the point guard lead the spurs with 129 pts on 104 FGA- manu had 111 on 70, jackson 71 on 35! maybe the point guard should have done his job and fed the more efficient scorers on his team

Offense was built around Parker. Defenses are built around stopping Parker. Ginobili had the advantage of being the 2 or 3 meaning those positions are interchangeable on offense and defense and so teams don't really know how to build around stopping Ginobili. You could say he benefitted from that his whole career in a sense which would explain why his PER is great. Dude is clutch but OKC was just a beast back then. They were always bound to win late games because of their physicality and youth. Too bad we didn't have many bruisers or high flyers to match besides a really young Kawhi.

[DAF86]

Offense was built around Parker. Defenses are built around stopping Parker. Ginobili had the advantage of being the 2 or 3 meaning those positions are interchangeable on offense and defense and so teams don't really know how to build around stopping Ginobili. You could say he benefitted from that his whole career in a sense which would explain why his PER is great. Dude is clutch but OKC was just a beast back then. They were always bound to win late games because of their physicality and youth. Too bad we didn't have many bruisers or high flyers to match besides a really young Kawhi.

:lol

[Pavlov]

To be fair, Danny wasn't exactly better than him. Danny was younger and one of the best defenders in the league, I still love him so much but was never the type of SJax/player.Danny was exactly better than Stephen Jackson at that point.

[cd98]

:lol cherrypicker

game 1:
Parker: 18/8/6, 6-15
Manu: 26/5/3, 9-14
Spurs win by 3

game 2:
Parker: 34/3/8, 16-21
Manu: 20/1/4, 6-11
Spurs win by 9

game 3:
Parker: 16/3/4, 6-12
Manu: 8/6/1, 1-5
OKC win by 20

game 4:
Parker: 12/2/4, 5-15
Manu: 13/0/4, 4-7
okc win by 6

game 5:
(manu brought to starting lineup after spurs lose 2-0 lead):
Parker: 20/4/4, 5-14
Manu: 34/6/7, 11-21
okc win by 5

game 6:
Parker: 29/3/12, 12-27
Manu: 10/5/1, 4-12
okc win by 8

how was a 29 year old in his prime starter outplayed by a 34 year old bench player in the most important games of any series? (games 1 and 5)
parker the point guard lead the spurs with 129 pts on 104 FGA- manu had 111 on 70, jackson 71 on 35! maybe the point guard should have done his job and fed the more efficient scorers on his team

Who was guarding Parker that series? I'm guessing OKC's best perimeter defender. That could explain his numbers. That said, there is so much more to a game than simple stat lines. Maybe Parker was too selfish. He certainly had his share of big games in the playoffs. Most great players have their playoff duds. That OKC team was tough, but I thought they were a little fragile. If Spurs could have got this to a game 7, Spurs would have won and likely would have won a title, but that's hard to say since the Heat were primed that year with an excellent team.

I've always liked Manu because his game is unique, though I guess you could say the same about Parker. I think Manu had a bit more flair and you could understand Tony blowing by everyone because of his blazing speed, but sometimes you wondered how an average athlete like Manu could be so dominating in the NBA. Not sure why there are always Team Manus and Team Parkers. They both play different positions and have been asked to do different things over their careers, so I don't even think they are comparable.

[gambit1990]

don't forget how the pistons stopped tony in the finals. he outscored manu one game and that was a blowout win for the pistons.

spurs don't beat the pistons without manu... spurs do beat the cavs without tony.

[SpursDynasty85]

:lol

It's why he was so hard to guard. Not sure why that was so humorous. We all knew it was built around Duncan and then a pick n roll game, more with Parker and Duncan while Ginobili's place in the offense seemed to flow so well despite his ability to be so unpredictable and effective at all spots.

I recall Battier who was a defensive technician who analyzed player tendencies he said Ginobili had zero weaknesses. I believe Popovich and him found a good way for Ginobili to be Ginobili while the system was pretty predictable for Parker. Just my 2 cents.. definitely not making excuses but we all know Parker wasn't quite the franchise player that can be the center like Duncan but Ginobili never was either (sans 04 olympics). He benefitted from coming into the game as a sixth man role. Which teams ever build their defense around the 6th man? You can't. It's probably the secondary focus for most teams. It's what allowed so much freedom for Ginobili.

[DAF86]

It's why he was so hard to guard. Not sure why that was so humorous. We all knew it was built around Duncan and then a pick n roll game, more with Parker and Duncan while Ginobili's place in the offense seemed to flow so well despite his ability to be so unpredictable and effective at all spots.

I recall Battier who was a defensive technician who analyzed player tendencies he said Ginobili had zero weaknesses. I believe Popovich and him found a good way for Ginobili to be Ginobili while the system was pretty predictable for Parker. Just my 2 cents.. definitely not making excuses but we all know Parker wasn't quite the franchise player that can be the center like Duncan but Ginobili never was either (sans 04 olympics). He benefitted from coming into the game as a sixth man role. Which teams ever build their defense around the 6th man? You can't. It's probably the secondary focus for most teams. It's what allowed so much freedom for Ginobili.

The idea that teams focus on stopping the main offensive option of a rival and don't know how to stop others. :lol

Also, if there's one Spurs perimeter guy that teams planned to stop the most is Manu, since in the vast majority of the time, teams would have their best perimeter defender on him rather than Tony.

[SpursDynasty85]

The idea that teams focus on stopping the main offensive option of a rival and don't know how to stop others. :lol

Also, if there's one Spurs perimeter guy that teams planned to stop the most is Manu, since in the vast majority of the time, teams would have their best perimeter defender on him rather than Tony.

I never meant to say that it applies with all teams but only to emphasize the reason Popovich brought Manu off the bench was because of his incredible basketball instincts. We all know of the stories of Popovich going crazy over Manu's decision making but ultimately understood you just have to let loose the beast. I am not trying to minimize Manu's ability as a basketball player but the fact that he benefitted from a system built mainly around "Duncan" and then "Duncan and Parker" allowing him to go in and make his own decisions on the fly while Parker's play was more predicated to running the system around offense. We all see plays that Parker ran, it seemed like a playbook on rewind while Ginobili had a few of those, he largely got to do whatever he wanted on the floor. Compliments to Ginobili and everyone else making it work too.

If your coaching a team and have 1.5 days to game plan, you have countless tapes of Parker's plays while you have a bunch of rec center style matador "running with the bull style" plays with Ginobili. It was just how things were set up. Not making any excuses other than the fact Parker was bound to struggle more and thats why we had to rely more on Ginobili. Ginobili was our closer for a reason.

[cd98]

The idea that teams focus on stopping the main offensive option of a rival and don't know how to stop others. :lol

Also, if there's one Spurs perimeter guy that teams planned to stop the most is Manu, since in the vast majority of the time, teams would have their best perimeter defender on him rather than Tony.

Not so. Once Parker came into his prime, teams had to guard him with a small forward that could D because Parker was too quick for any point guard or even two guard. There was a time when Parker drew the toughest perimeter defenders not on the Spurs roster. And he was still a dominant player. But that's not to bad mouth Manu. Manu has always confounded defenses, just like Parker. These two never got near their due. People talk about super teams, but the original super team was Duncan, Parker, and Manu. People gloss over that and assume it was Miami (which I guess is possible if you assume super teams are where players assemble them, not GMs).

Again, I'll never get the Manu v. Parker debates. Both were asked to do different things at different points in their careers and both played different positions. They both have had HOF careers and they both were grossly underrated for what they brought. I guess Spurs fans need something to talk about until October (or at least until fubol americano starts).

[sasaint]

Not so. Once Parker came into his prime, teams had to guard him with a small forward that could D because Parker was too quick for any point guard or even two guard. There was a time when Parker drew the toughest perimeter defenders not on the Spurs roster. And he was still a dominant player. But that's not to bad mouth Manu. Manu has always confounded defenses, just like Parker. These two never got near their due. People talk about super teams, but the original super team was Duncan, Parker, and Manu. People gloss over that and assume it was Miami (which I guess is possible if you assume super teams are where players assemble them, not GMs).

Again, I'll never get the Manu v. Parker debates. Both were asked to do different things at different points in their careers and both played different positions. They both have had HOF careers and they both were grossly underrated for what they brought. I guess Spurs fans need something to talk about until October (or at least until fubol americano starts).

Nicely said! :toast

[DAF86]

I never meant to say that it applies with all teams but only to emphasize the reason Popovich brought Manu off the bench was because of his incredible basketball instincts. We all know of the stories of Popovich going crazy over Manu's decision making but ultimately understood you just have to let loose the beast. I am not trying to minimize Manu's ability as a basketball player but the fact that he benefitted from a system built mainly around "Duncan" and then "Duncan and Parker" allowing him to go in and make his own decisions on the fly while Parker's play was more predicated to running the system around offense. We all see plays that Parker ran, it seemed like a playbook on rewind while Ginobili had a few of those, he largely got to do whatever he wanted on the floor. Compliments to Ginobili and everyone else making it work too.

If your coaching a team and have 1.5 days to game plan, you have countless tapes of Parker's plays while you have a bunch of rec center style matador "running with the bull style" plays with Ginobili. It was just how things were set up. Not making any excuses other than the fact Parker was bound to struggle more and thats why we had to rely more on Ginobili. Ginobili was our closer for a reason.

Manu and Tony had more or less the same type of play calls: some kind of variety of pick and roll actions. Manu just had a more diverse style of play, court vision and creatividad, that's why it looked like he had more freedom.

[BSfromTX]

Not so. Once Parker came into his prime, teams had to guard him with a small forward that could D because Parker was too quick for any point guard or even two guard. There was a time when Parker drew the toughest perimeter defenders not on the Spurs roster. And he was still a dominant player. But that's not to bad mouth Manu. Manu has always confounded defenses, just like Parker. These two never got near their due. People talk about super teams, but the original super team was Duncan, Parker, and Manu. People gloss over that and assume it was Miami (which I guess is possible if you assume super teams are where players assemble them, not GMs).

Again, I'll never get the Manu v. Parker debates. Both were asked to do different things at different points in their careers and both played different positions. They both have had HOF careers and they both were grossly underrated for what they brought. I guess Spurs fans need something to talk about until October (or at least until fubol americano starts).


When Manu began to get more PT, it seemed like Parker was never looking for Manu and almost like he was avoiding passing to him. To me it seemed obvious... looking back, I feel like Tony just never had a pass first mentality. He thought more like a score first player. Through his career he’s been the same with other players, so I don’t feel like it was personal like probably some in here felt or still feel it was. Tony has never been creative in getting others involved. A good portion of his assists come from running set plays where he knew where to go

[SpursDynasty85]

Another good point. Early on in his career Parker tried to create more but never looked comfortable. Popovich told him to stay aggressive on offense and then find the open man. Luckily Manu was so willing to come off the bench. Worked out for both parties.

[SpursDynasty85]

Manu and Tony had more or less the same type of play calls: some kind of variety of pick and roll actions. Manu just had a more diverse style of play, court vision and creatividad, that's why it looked like he had more freedom.

Wont argue too much about what you said but if you really followed the Spurs you know Popovich coached each one differently.

With Parker he was all over him when he made a mistake and as he had the responsibility of running the well-oiled system. Pop always stayed on top of him. With Ginobili he always publicly stated he tried to over coach him but then mutually they agreed that he had to give Manu his freedom. No doubt he was better suited for that but Parker you could argue would've benefitted from that type of style but to the detriment of the team because he is the starting PG.

I recall maybe the 09 playoffs or around those years against the Mavs and other regular season nights he would need to score a bunch he said how good it felt to dominate the ball like he wanted. He definitely did not have Manus creativity but Parker could've lit up the score board too.

[DAF86]

Wont argue too much about what you said but if you really followed the Spurs you know Popovich coached each one differently.

With Parker he was all over him when he made a mistake and as he had the responsibility of running the well-oiled system. Pop always stayed on top of him. With Ginobili he always publicly stated he tried to over coach him but then mutually they agreed that he had to give Manu his freedom. No doubt he was better suited for that but Parker you could argue would've benefitted from that type of style but to the detriment of the team because he is the starting PG.

I recall maybe the 09 playoffs or around those years against the Mavs and other regular season nights he would need to score a bunch he said how good it felt to dominate the ball like he wanted. He definitely did not have Manus creativity but Parker could've lit up the score board too.

Do you really think Pop let Manu do whatever he wanted and kept Tony on a short leash? Tell me an example of a "freedom play" that was exclusively for Manu. Manu just took more chances on the flow of the game, but that was all him, nothing to do with Pop. What Pop did was just accept to be more patient and don't get at guys for taking risks. But that was with all the players, not just Manu. Manu was just the most adept guy to take those risks.

[SpursDynasty85]

Do you really think Pop let Manu do whatever he wanted and kept Tony on a short leash? Tell me an example of a "freedom play" that was exclusively for Manu. Manu just took more chances on the flow of the game, but that was all him, nothing to do with Pop. What Pop did was just accept to be more patient and don't get at guys for taking risks. But that was with all the players, not just Manu. Manu was just the most adept guy to take those risks.

Agree he was most adept to take those risks which is why he was a good change of pace off the bench. It's not necessarily the plays being called but the progressions and options Parker has the responsibility to run. His responsibility was to attack a certain way in the play. the opposition knew what he was running but they had decisions on how to make it work. Manu had a shorter leash for sure and less responsibility to run plays. He often closed his quarters brushing people off and calling his own pick and roll. Imagine Parker doing that? Well he did beginning 2013 really.

The evidence is in the stories, articles, and interviews on the BiG 3 plus Pop over the years and gameplay. If you don't think Manu was unleashed more than Parker pre 2013. Idk what to tell you other than you didn't pay attention.

Everyone had different responsibilities. Everyone tried to do their job the best. Still trashing Parker because of stats is an amateur move when he had so much responsibility as a 6 foot 1 pg to attack and create. Stop hating and appreciate the past tbh.

[DAF86]

Everyone had different responsibilities. Everyone tried to do their job the best. Still trashing Parker because of stats is an amateur move when he had so much responsibility as a 6 foot 1 pg to attack and create. Stop hating and appreciate the past tbh.

Where did I do that? :lol


Agree he was most adept to take those risks which is why he was a good change of pace off the bench. It's not necessarily the plays being called but the progressions and options Parker has the responsibility to run. His responsibility was to attack a certain way in the play. the opposition knew what he was running but they had decisions on how to make it work. Manu had a shorter leash for sure and less responsibility to run plays. He often closed his quarters brushing people off and calling his own pick and roll. Imagine Parker doing that? Well he did beginning 2013 really.

The evidence is in the stories, articles, and interviews on the BiG 3 plus Pop over the years and gameplay. If you don't think Manu was unleashed more than Parker pre 2013. Idk what to tell you other than you didn't pay attention.

Pop started to be less of a micromanaging freak when Manu got to the team and proved that a little controlled chaos was beneficial for the team. But that bit more of freedom that Pop allowed, wasn't excusively for Manu, Tony was beneficiary of that too. In fact, Pop has said it many times. Just go dust off your 2005 championship DVD and you will hear Pop saying "I learnt to give Manu and Tony more freedom, because the things they do can't be coached".

[SpursDynasty85]

Where did I do that? :lol



Pop started to be less of a micromanaging freak when Manu got to the team and proved that a little controlled chaos was beneficial for the team. But that bit more of freedom that Pop allowed, wasn't excusively for Manu, Tony was beneficiary of that too. In fact, Pop has said it many times. Just go dust off your 2005 championship DVD and you will hear Pop saying "I learnt to give Manu and Tony more freedom, because the things they do can't be coached".

Sorry. I was originally responding to a person that trashed Parker because Manu's stats were better for the last few games of the 2012 OKC series and I guess you responded to my reasoning response kn why Manu in important games seemed to be our closer and most clutch performer. Specially back then.

Ultimately Parker's responsibility as the starting pg came with more responsibilities to run the system. Manu coming off the bench to change the pace of the game was evident. In the end all had their responsibilities and yes I'm sure everyone benefitted when Pop realized they needed more freedom but Manu gets more freedom because of his skill set and the fact he was a change of pace 6th man. Parker's stats would've been better too if he came off the bench imo. Parker would've ate those bench players for breakfast.

[DAF86]

Sorry. I was originally responding to a person that trashed Parker because Manu's stats were better for the last few games of the 2012 OKC series and I guess you responded to my reasoning response kn why Manu in important games seemed to be our closer and most clutch performer. Specially back then.

Ultimately Parker's responsibility as the starting pg came with more responsibilities to run the system. Manu coming off the bench to change the pace of the game was evident. In the end all had their responsibilities and yes I'm sure everyone benefitted when Pop realized they needed more freedom but Manu gets more freedom because of his skill set and the fact he was a change of pace 6th man. Parker's stats would've been better too if he came off the bench imo. Parker would've ate those bench players for breakfast.

Nah, nobody in the history of the game had better stats coming off the bench. That's a lie somebody created somewhere down the line and that some folks decided to go along with, for some reason.

Just go check Manu's numbers coming off the bench and starting. Heck, go check Tony's numbers coming off the bench and starting.

[SpursDynasty85]

Nah, nobody in the history of the game had better stats coming off the bench. That's a lie somebody created somewhere down the line and that some folks decided to go along with, for some reason.

Just go check Manu's numbers coming off the bench and starting. Heck, go check Tony's numbers coming off the bench and starting.

Tony never came off the bench nor had the opportunity that Manu had so those stats don't mean anything. Manu played 6th man but got starter minutes. He literally created that new role and guys like Jamal Crawford and Lou William's thrived in it too. If Parker accepted Manu's role and got used to it, I think his scoring would've been insane too but his assists would've went down while Manu had a more diverse skills set to uniquely take over and keep the team more involved. Parker was adept at beating his man and double teams off the dribble which is why in the end they had their roles and 4 championships happened.

[DAF86]

Tony never came off the bench nor had the opportunity that Manu had so those stats don't mean anything. Manu played 6th man but got starter minutes. He literally created that new role and guys like Jamal Crawford and Lou William's thrived in it too. If Parker accepted Manu's role and got used to it, I think his scoring would've been insane too but his assists would've went down while Manu had a more diverse skills set to uniquely take over and keep the team more involved. Parker was adept at beating his man and double teams off the dribble which is why in the end they had their roles and 4 championships happened.

Tony came off the bench for quite a while in 2010 and on this past season. In both cases his numbers were better as a starter than as a bench player.

[sasaint]

Tony never came off the bench nor had the opportunity that Manu had so those stats don't mean anything. Manu played 6th man but got starter minutes. He literally created that new role and guys like Jamal Crawford and Lou William's thrived in it too. If Parker accepted Manu's role and got used to it, I think his scoring would've been insane too but his assists would've went down while Manu had a more diverse skills set to uniquely take over and keep the team more involved. Parker was adept at beating his man and double teams off the dribble which is why in the end they had their roles and 4 championships happened.

This is a quibble, not really addressing your main point, but - Manu didn't create the role. He is really a latter-day John Havlicek.

[SASdynasty!]

6 pts 2 rebs 3 asts. 15min/game
On 39%

[Play Boban]

On 39%
From 3.

[gambit1990]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1fWbvTPGCI

[outmap]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1fWbvTPGCI

Him, Dirk and Vince are gonna be missed when they retire.

In the Philippines, we call their game "Tito Ball".

[cutewizard]

I never meant to say that it applies with all teams but only to emphasize the reason Popovich brought Manu off the bench was because of his incredible basketball instincts. We all know of the stories of Popovich going crazy over Manu's decision making but ultimately understood you just have to let loose the beast. I am not trying to minimize Manu's ability as a basketball player but the fact that he benefitted from a system built mainly around "Duncan" and then "Duncan and Parker" allowing him to go in and make his own decisions on the fly while Parker's play was more predicated to running the system around offense. We all see plays that Parker ran, it seemed like a playbook on rewind while Ginobili had a few of those, he largely got to do whatever he wanted on the floor. Compliments to Ginobili and everyone else making it work too.

If your coaching a team and have 1.5 days to game plan, you have countless tapes of Parker's plays while you have a bunch of rec center style matador "running with the bull style" plays with Ginobili. It was just how things were set up. Not making any excuses other than the fact Parker was bound to struggle more and thats why we had to rely more on Ginobili. Ginobili was our closer for a reason.


Tony was Yang, Manu was Yin......

Tony was Order, Manu was Chaos.....

And Duncan was the Balance, the World Tree.

Twas a perfect combination.

[cutewizard]

Not so. Once Parker came into his prime, teams had to guard him with a small forward that could D because Parker was too quick for any point guard or even two guard. There was a time when Parker drew the toughest perimeter defenders not on the Spurs roster. And he was still a dominant player. But that's not to bad mouth Manu. Manu has always confounded defenses, just like Parker. These two never got near their due. People talk about super teams, but the original super team was Duncan, Parker, and Manu. People gloss over that and assume it was Miami (which I guess is possible if you assume super teams are where players assemble them, not GMs).

Again, I'll never get the Manu v. Parker debates. Both were asked to do different things at different points in their careers and both played different positions. They both have had HOF careers and they both were grossly underrated for what they brought. I guess Spurs fans need something to talk about until October (or at least until fubol americano starts).

Mj, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc

[cutewizard]

Him, Dirk and Vince are gonna be missed when they retire.

In the Philippines, we call their game "Tito Ball".

Nami miss ko si El Presidente

Sya pinaka first idol ko

[outmap]

Nami miss ko si El Presidente

Sya pinaka first idol ko

Didn't get to watch El Presidente, I was too young back then.
I followed "Captain Lionheart and The Aerial Voyager" when I was kid.

[cd98]

Mj, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc

Well you could add Ron Harper. But Warriors only have to guard 3 of those guys. Jordan and Pippen being two point scorers, I just don’t see how they generate enough points to consistently out score Warrior three point shooting. Plus Warriors would stretch that Bulls defense. I can’t say that Bulls wouldn’t beat Warriors, I mean Houston almost did and they aren’t the Bulls. But Warriors have a historically great offensive team and with that many scorers surrounding him, KD can become almost unguardable.

[cd98]

Mj, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc

Oh you mean super teams. Wrong thread. That was a super team, too a la Spurs, I guess, though The Bulls Rodman was more role player that could rebound. I do think Manu and Toni were similar.

[TheGreatYacht]

He dieded yet?

[BillMc]

I am a huge Manu fan. But make a decision already. Or if one's been made, announce it.

[rjv]

technically, he doesn't have to announce anything as he is in the 2nd year of his contract. he could just show up for training camp like everyone else.

[SpursDynasty85]

Well you could add Ron Harper. But Warriors only have to guard 3 of those guys. Jordan and Pippen being two point scorers, I just don’t see how they generate enough points to consistently out score Warrior three point shooting. Plus Warriors would stretch that Bulls defense. I can’t say that Bulls wouldn’t beat Warriors, I mean Houston almost did and they aren’t the Bulls. But Warriors have a historically great offensive team and with that many scorers surrounding him, KD can become almost unguardable.

Well thinking about this in the 90's there were far fewer possessions and Ron Harper really took a back seat once he got to Chicago. Look at his stats he averaged 20PPG+ right up until he joined Chicago and decided to purely play defense. If they had a more free flowing and high octane offense (benefits of the defense rule changes) I'm sure Harper would've been a deadly 4th option on offense.

[K...]

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So, he comes back from vacation and stay starts pitching sleep? This dude isn't coming back, he's going to become an annoying sales rep for garbage psudeo health products and high interest loans.

[cd98]

Well thinking about this in the 90's there were far fewer possessions and Ron Harper really took a back seat once he got to Chicago. Look at his stats he averaged 20PPG+ right up until he joined Chicago and decided to purely play defense. If they had a more free flowing and high octane offense (benefits of the defense rule changes) I'm sure Harper would've been a deadly 4th option on offense.

Harper was also coming off an ACL tear, which in the 90s was bad news for a player's career. Now it just means they are out 8-9 months. Back then, it was close to career ending. Players were never the same.

[SpursDynasty85]

Harper was also coming off an ACL tear, which in the 90s was bad news for a player's career. Now it just means they are out 8-9 months. Back then, it was close to career ending. Players were never the same.

Ahh. Didn't know that. Now adays players are back in less than 5 months it seems.

[boutons_deux]

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There was a study some years ago on longevity. Researchers visited many countries, queried the oldest members, looking for parameters that correlated with longevity.

After looking at a huge variety diet contents, alcohol, exercise or lack of, weather, altitude, water proximity, etc, etc,

the only variable that was common to all the oldies was a "sufficient" amount of quality sleep their entire lives, not just night sleep, but daytime napping.

Another sleep angle:

Some California kids were complaining to Maharishi that TM didn't seem to make any difference, except they were sleeping better, to which Maharishi said something like "You're sleeping is improved because TM is givin you improved waking hours"

[tonight...you]

There was a study some years ago on longevity. Researchers visited many countries, queried the oldest members, looking for parameters that correlated with longevity.

After looking at a huge variety diet contents, alcohol, exercise or lack of, weather, altitude, water proximity, etc, etc,

the only variable that was common to all the oldies was a "sufficient" amount of quality sleep their entire lives, not just night sleep, but daytime napping.

Another sleep angle:

Some California kids were complaining to Maharishi that TM didn't seem to make any difference, except they were sleeping better, to which Maharishi said something like "You're sleeping is improved because TM is givin you improved waking hours"
Damn... I've been an insomniac since I was 13.
I won't make it to 50.

[BackHome]

That is OK with me I really don't want to have to wear diapers in my golden years.

[Dex]

technically, he doesn't have to announce anything as he is in the 2nd year of his contract. he could just show up for training camp like everyone else.

Excellent point. Really, he only needs to make an announcement if he DOES plan to retire. Otherwise, like you said, he just needs to show up.

In fact, it almost seems like it would be out of character for Manu to put out a "Hey, I'm NOT retiring!" announcement...so this may actually be the most likely scenario at this point.

[diego]

Excellent point. Really, he only needs to make an announcement if he DOES plan to retire. Otherwise, like you said, he just needs to show up.

In fact, it almost seems like it would be out of character for Manu to put out a "Hey, I'm NOT retiring!" announcement...so this may actually be the most likely scenario at this point.

In past seasons without a contract he announced he was playing late July (I think the latest was 26 July), I'm pretty sure the silence means he'll be back because the contract is already there and he would have announced they retirement at the end of July..

[Dverde]

Is he back from his Walter Mitty trip? Seems like an announcement should have been made by now.

[DAF86]

If he retires, of course he will anounce it. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if he already told Pop he will play next season, but didn't feel like he needed to anounce it publicly.

I don't think Manu is still in doubt about what he wants to do; and if he knows what he wants to do, he definitely already told the Spurs his plans.

tbh. I don't know why folks are so impatient with this.

[Maj_G]

got to love Manu!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EWIJf7Liso