Dejounte Murray Injury Thread

[Nivek_ogre]

Imo it added to the chances of him getting injured.
So much time spent attention whoring with her.
Mind before body injury is super common.
I can't prove it. You can't disprove it.

That you think she is uber fine, good for you son.
Food, women, wine tastes are all a matter of the beholder.

Cmon.... What do you expect of the guy. He constantly showed videos of himself working on his game. And the brief time he was on the court it showed. And lol thinking nba players fucking women contributes to injuries.

[MultiTroll]

Cmon.... What do you expect of the guy. He constantly showed videos of himself working on his game. And the brief time he was on the court it showed. And lol thinking nba players fucking women contributes to injuries.
Yawn. Oh another Spurstalk Straw.
Attention whoring with her on Instagram does not equal fucking her.
Two totally separate things. He spent a ton of time mentally with her jerking off on Instagram.

Yes I know he worked out like a mofo. I think he probably overdid the workouts.
Along with hanging out with her 24/7 and trying to fill the gap that Numb Nutts left when he bailed for Toronto......in totality too much too soon. Injury.

Completely different from having some cat on a regular basis.

[J_Paco]

Yawn. Oh another Spurstalk Straw.
Attention whoring with her on Instagram does not equal fucking her.
Two totally separate things. He spent a ton of time mentally with her jerking off on Instagram.

Yes I know he worked out like a mofo. I think he probably overdid the workouts.
Along with hanging out with her 24/7 and trying to fill the gap that Numb Nutts left when he bailed for Toronto......in totality too much too soon. Injury.

Completely different from having some cat on a regular basis.

So, in other words you are just speculating about another man's personal life and work ethic. LOL

Talk about the ultimate "straw man" when you claim being on Instagram contributed or has any correlation with a wear and tear injury. LOL


Moron troll is moronic....

[ismael-robert]

Her body was nice but face just cute. Who does it for u multitroll?

[MultiTroll]

Her body was nice but face just cute. Who does it for u multitroll?
yep.

[Mr. Body]

He's a natural leader and has shown flashes of it last season already. This will only become more evident with him improving as a player, not to mention him being in coaching meetings this season

I don't see a leader. Not yet. He's certainly not comparable to the vets this team has had in the past.

[DAF86]

Manu would never say it out loud, but he thought he was as good as any player in the league. MJ, Kobe, Duncan, Pop. In his mind he could go against everybody.

I remember an obscure Argentine interview were he got a moment of weakness and admitted he didn't feel lesser than anybody. That he could go at anyone and beat them. That's the mentality winning players must have.

I see nothing with what Murray said, tbh.

[MultiTroll]

^ I care much more about what Murray does from here on out.
Vs what he says.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't see a leader. Not yet. He's certainly not comparable to the vets this team has had in the past.

He's 22. There is this thing called growth, ever heard of it? Parker wasn't the floor general he was in 2014 when he was 22 neither

[dbestpro]

He's 22. There is this thing called growth, ever heard of it? Parker wasn't the floor general he was in 2014 when he was 22 neither

Parker - 2014 - 22?

[RC_Drunkford]

Parker - 2014 - 22?

I said when he was 22 he wasn't the same leader he was in 2014. Obviously Parker wasn't 22 years old in 2014, we all know that. Damn reading gotta be hard for some people I guess

[duncan2k5]

Your stupid. She was fine as fuck. At his age I would of started my own YouTube channel and looked like a bitch doing it for some of that.

Facts!

[Dverde]

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[Pavlov]

Mind before body injury is super common.
I can't prove it.:lmao

[superbigtime]

Jilly is hot and seems like a great match for DJ. lol at the morons disparaging her.

[San Antonio Slayer]

what is the status for Walker's return? anyone?

[RC_Drunkford]

what is the status for Walker's return? anyone?

the status is he will play in the G League. He ain't getting NBA minutes

[San Antonio Slayer]

the status is he will play in the G League. He ain't getting NBA minutes

D- joke. even Pondexter is getting NBA minutes

[$pursDynasty]

Pop's version of NBA boot camp most rookies must spend a year stuck to bench/ g-league to help them get over themselves. Even when said player can aide the main nba team. It seemingly robs the Spurs of one year of use out its draftees. Honestly how many of the league's top 20 players would willingly sign up to "be a Spur"? Right now the only players this franchise attracts are David West Rudy Gay types, near the end so they appreciate the stability the franchise offers but even they spurned it in their prime.

[XDT76]

Pop's version of NBA boot camp most rookies must spend a year stuck to bench/ g-league to help them get over themselves. Even when said player can aide the main nba team. It seemingly robs the Spurs of one year of use out its draftees. Honestly how many of the league's top 20 players would willingly sign up to "be a Spur"? Right now the only players this franchise attracts are David West Rudy Gay types, near the end so they appreciate the stability the franchise offers but even they spurned it in their prime.

What is stated is not exactly true, Parker, Manu, Kawhi are heavily involved and made starters in their rookie years. Besides seeing so many teams seem willing to over pay our draftees after their rookies contract I would say that Spurs actually did it better than quite a few teams in the league.

[duncan2k5]

What is stated is not exactly true, Parker, Manu, Kawhi are heavily involved and made starters in their rookie years. Besides seeing so many teams seem willing to over pay our draftees after their rookies contract I would say that Spurs actually did it better than quite a few teams in the league.

That's was at the beginning of Pop's career.... He is a completely different guy now... Parker wouldn't see the light of day as a rookie

[bklynspursfan]

So there's some drama in the Murray family


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[exstatic]

So there's some drama in the Murray family


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Seems like a Shaq kind of situation, where the biological tries to re-enter the kid's life after he makes the NBA.

[UZER]

That's was at the beginning of Pop's career.... He is a completely different guy now... Parker wouldn't see the light of day as a rookie

Exactly. “Old Pop” (young coach) was over himself.

[Pavlov]

That's was at the beginning of Pop's career.... He is a completely different guy now... Parker wouldn't see the light of day as a rookieThose players were a lot better then than Walker is now.

[RD2191]

DJ needs to tell that bum to kick rocks.

[Dverde]

It’s like Love and Basketball. Jilly is the Tyra Banks character.

[hooperflash]

Why his “Dad” trying to be the next music.ly / TikTok sensation? :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

God damn... just listened to both the periscope and YouTube video. Wish I could timestamp, but I don't have that time. Here are some of the important stuff he said that I could remember:

- He's going to make a documentary on Dejounte
- His dad is currently living in Hawaii and is a Chef, but when he was in Seattle he was well respected by the streets (Guessing he was a drug dealer?)
- Dejounte is currently claiming a gang called "d-dubs"
- In high school he was held at gunpoint by a crip, but didn't get shot because Dejounte told him who his dad was (the crip later apologized to Mr. Murray)
- After he was born, his mother got arrested for selling drugs
- Some shit happened between him and some girl that resulted in him coming home with no clothes except women underwear. His dad bought him clothes at K-Mart
- After he called Jilly a gold digger, she uploaded a YouTube video saying she know some shit about him that he don't want anyone to know, which forced Dejounte to apologize to her.
- His dad said Dejounte is going to end up like Kareem Hunt (who got released by the Chiefs for hitting a girl)
- After he got drafted by the Spurs, he asked his dad what he wanted. Dad said he just wanted a truck from any year for work and some cash. Dejounte didn't get him any of it and went on to buy his mother a house (that got shot up and was forced to sell), a truck (that got wrecked by her boyfriend), and some jewelry (that she tried to sell later on according to the streets who told him)
- He said Pop and the Spurs have never reached out to him
- Hasn't even gotten a jersey from Dejounte, which has his last name. Suggested Dejounte should change his last name like Ron Artest
- When his dad's mother called him after she had a stroke and lost vision on one eye, he said "Who's this?" and then said he's busy and got to go. Haven't spoken since
- When his dad let him know he might have kidney disease, he said "Hope you had a good life. Bye"

[TheGreatYacht]

DM is lucky he plays in San Antonio, where the media doesn't give one shit about and that there's god awful beat writers like Jeff McCuckald and M-m-mike Monroe....

Yall motherfuckers thought Lavar and Uncle Dennis were something.. sounds like he has it worse and he might be holding on to some shit that could put his career in danger

[superbigtime]

impressive command of the English language

[RD2191]

DJ needs to look out for himself. Fuck everyone else. Don't need another uncle Dennis mother fucker ruining shit.

[TheGreatYacht]

DJ needs to look out for himself. Fuck everyone else. Don't need another uncle Dennis mother fucker ruining shit.
He needs to stop acting like a high schooler. Gang banging, airing out his relationship crap on social media, Capitalizing Every Word Like This, trying to make All-Instagram first team, etc.

[NASpurs]

“Mission in Action” is my new gamer tag.

[Mugen]

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[Collins21]

God damn... just listened to both the periscope and YouTube video. Wish I could timestamp, but I don't have that time. Here are some of the important stuff he said that I could remember:

- He's going to make a documentary on Dejounte
- His dad is currently living in Hawaii and is a Chef, but when he was in Seattle he was well respected by the streets (Guessing he was a drug dealer?)
- Dejounte is currently claiming a gang called "d-dubs"
- In high school he was held at gunpoint by a crip, but didn't get shot because Dejounte told him who his dad was (the crip later apologized to Mr. Murray)
- After he was born, his mother got arrested for selling drugs
- Some shit happened between him and some girl that resulted in him coming home with no clothes except women underwear. His dad bought him clothes at K-Mart
- After he called Jilly a gold digger, she uploaded a YouTube video saying she know some shit about him that he don't want anyone to know, which forced Dejounte to apologize to her.
- His dad said Dejounte is going to end up like Kareem Hunt (who got released by the Chiefs for hitting a girl)
- After he got drafted by the Spurs, he asked his dad what he wanted. Dad said he just wanted a truck from any year for work and some cash. Dejounte didn't get him any of it and went on to buy his mother a house (that got shot up and was forced to sell), a truck (that got wrecked by her boyfriend), and some jewelry (that she tried to sell later on according to the streets who told him)
- He said Pop and the Spurs have never reached out to him
- Hasn't even gotten a jersey from Dejounte, which has his last name. Suggested Dejounte should change his last name like Ron Artest
- When his dad's mother called him after she had a stroke and lost vision on one eye, he said "Who's this?" and then said he's busy and got to go. Haven't spoken since
- When his dad let him know he might have kidney disease, he said "Hope you had a good life. Bye"

When it comes to deadbeat dads most of them will use every excuse int he world to justify their behavior. Now we can all disagree on Dejounte on court ability and immaturity on social networks but I refuse to 100% take an ex drug addicts word for anything.

[Collins21]

DJ needs to tell that bum to kick rocks.

Exactly I've seen this shit too often with deadbeat dads. They will blame the shit not he kids mother and the kid while minimizing their faults. Hell dude admitted to being on drugs while Dejounte was growing up. I don't know one drug addict that was a responsible parent.

[RD2191]

He needs to stop acting like a high schooler. Gang banging, airing out his relationship crap on social media, Capitalizing Every Word Like This, trying to make All-Instagram first team, etc.

Who gives a shit how he acts? As long as he doesn't let anyone else run his life then I'm good with whatever. He's still young. He'll mature soon.

[bklynspursfan]

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[Chinook]

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I mean, we all understand where he's coming from. He wants to take his kid's money. We all like money.

[RC_Drunkford]

you can tell his dad is a full blown idiot just by him taking this shit to social media and talkin about it every minute. I mean DJ is 22 so he will do some dumb shit, but his dad treats this like a 16-year old

[spurraider21]

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[Dverde]

God damn... just listened to both the periscope and YouTube video. Wish I could timestamp, but I don't have that time. Here are some of the important stuff he said that I could remember:

- He's going to make a documentary on Dejounte
- His dad is currently living in Hawaii and is a Chef, but when he was in Seattle he was well respected by the streets (Guessing he was a drug dealer?)
- Dejounte is currently claiming a gang called "d-dubs"
- In high school he was held at gunpoint by a crip, but didn't get shot because Dejounte told him who his dad was (the crip later apologized to Mr. Murray)
- After he was born, his mother got arrested for selling drugs
- Some shit happened between him and some girl that resulted in him coming home with no clothes except women underwear. His dad bought him clothes at K-Mart
- After he called Jilly a gold digger, she uploaded a YouTube video saying she know some shit about him that he don't want anyone to know, which forced Dejounte to apologize to her.
- His dad said Dejounte is going to end up like Kareem Hunt (who got released by the Chiefs for hitting a girl)
- After he got drafted by the Spurs, he asked his dad what he wanted. Dad said he just wanted a truck from any year for work and some cash. Dejounte didn't get him any of it and went on to buy his mother a house (that got shot up and was forced to sell), a truck (that got wrecked by her boyfriend), and some jewelry (that she tried to sell later on according to the streets who told him)
- He said Pop and the Spurs have never reached out to him
- Hasn't even gotten a jersey from Dejounte, which has his last name. Suggested Dejounte should change his last name like Ron Artest
- When his dad's mother called him after she had a stroke and lost vision on one eye, he said "Who's this?" and then said he's busy and got to go. Haven't spoken since
- When his dad let him know he might have kidney disease, he said "Hope you had a good life. Bye"

He’s peanut butter and Jilly

[Nivek_ogre]

Doesn't murray have a manager or at least a friend. His Instagram is fucking cringe worthy. Someone tell him something

[bklynspursfan]

I mean, we all understand where he's coming from. He wants to take his kid's money. We all like money.

Basically lol

[sasaint]

“Mission in Action” is my new gamer tag.

:lmao

[JPB]

Doesn't murray have a manager or at least a friend. His Instagram is fucking cringe worthy. Someone tell him something

You can forget about that concept when you have DM's background (and any background tbh) and become an NBA player...

You're basically a young guy from college who becomes rich in one second when your name is called by David Silver.

Everyone's wants to eat on you, makes you feel guilty if you don't share, to "advise" you... money change you and people around you.. even ones you didn't expect, you don't know who to trust anymore.

that's why these young guys turn to their family, for psychological ease and relief, and which is supposed to be a reference but are actually even worse since you usually trust them too much and put in their hands your entire business without any control or monitoring..

[itzsoweezee]

So there's some drama in the Murray family


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I learned today that dm is barely literate

[duncan2k5]

Those players were a lot better then than Walker is now.

We have no idea... We only knew because they played... Walker is projected based on draft position to be better than them as rookies

[emanueldavidginobili]

DJ is back with ol girl, comical. It has to be A1 lol

[Pavlov]

We have no idea... We only knew because they played... Walker is projected based on draft position to be better than them as rookiesYou haven't watched Lonnie play at all, have you?

[SpurPadre]

You'd think Pop would punish Murray for his social media use somehow. Maybe he gets moved eventually?

[Pavlov]

No, you'd think that.

[sasaint]

You'd think Pop would punish Murray for his social media use somehow. Maybe he gets moved eventually?

Not necessarily "punish" but curb it in some way. It is especially cringe-worthy for Pop and a Spurs organization that has always shunned the limelight but also been represented by guys who were articulate.

[Jsmoothexpress]

Y’all dudes are showing your age. It’s 2018 going on 2019. People unfortunately socialize nowadays on social media accounts. I’m not here to argue if it’s right or wrong, good or bad. I’m just saying this is the times we live in. Especially if you’re dealing with ages younger than 28. That age group seems to be the biggest group to use social platforms for expressing, updating, and making others aware of what is going on currently in their lives and people lives that are close to them.

[dbestpro]

Y’all dudes are showing your age. It’s 2018 going on 2019. People unfortunately socialize nowadays on social media accounts. I’m not here to argue if it’s right or wrong, good or bad. I’m just saying this is the times we live in. Especially if you’re dealing with ages younger than 28. That age group seems to be the biggest group to use social platforms for expressing, updating, and making others aware of what is going on currently in their lives and people lives that are close to them.

Lots of young people get fired for their social media quotes too.

[ECOV]

Lots of young people get fired for their social media quotes too.

Then half of spurstalk should be fired lol

[Jsmoothexpress]

Right. I don’t think DJM Has or is doing anything wrong. Lonnie is around the same age as DJM and they both be in social media a lot (they’re pretty active) but they haven’t been reckless or unprofessional. It’s just how the younger guys operate. I’m 32 and I have Instagram and Facebook. I spend more time on YouTube than anything. I haven’t posted in Facebook sjnce last year and Instagram I haven’t posted anything since 2014. Now to what you said you’re totally correct. A lot of people don’t understand social media is a two edge sword. It some regards it brings people closer and makes news and other information accessible a lot quicker then ever before. The downside of it is you leave yourself open for scrutiny. Didn’t the heisman trophy winner for this year have some old tweets pulled up on him like they did Kevin Hart?

[Jsmoothexpress]

Lots of young people get fired for their social media quotes too.
Right. I don’t think DJM Has or is doing anything wrong. Lonnie is around the same age as DJM and they both be in social media a lot (they’re pretty active) but they haven’t been reckless or unprofessional. It’s just how the younger guys operate. I’m 32 and I have Instagram and Facebook. I spend more time on YouTube than anything. I haven’t posted in Facebook sjnce last year and Instagram I haven’t posted anything since 2014. Now to what you said you’re totally correct. A lot of people don’t understand social media is a two edge sword. It some regards it brings people closer and makes news and other information accessible a lot quicker then ever before. The downside of it is you leave yourself open for scrutiny. Didn’t the heisman trophy winner for this year have some old tweets pulled up on him like they did Kevin Hart?

[Ginobilly]

I learned today that dm is barely literate

Most professional athletes didn't take academics seriously when young so it's no surprise. You either learn how to shoot/dunk, or learn proper grammer and math. Time and opportunities is of the essence to a lot of these guys.

[Dverde]

TD being a leader in retirement. GOAT doing GOAT things.

https://twitter.com/dejountemurray/status/1078479720008876032?s=21

[acoelho1]

Can't wait to see him on the court next year. I truly believe he has the physical tools and mental makeup to be a star.

[RC_Drunkford]

Everyday???

[John B]

Everyday???
I guess the car detailing business is not as busy :lol

[Dverde]

Can't wait to see him on the court next year. I truly believe he has the physical tools and mental makeup to be a star.

It will be interesting to see if he agrees to an extension in the offseason.

[J_Paco]

Everyday???


Tim is a self professed 'gym rat' and loves the camaraderie of being on a team.



I guess the car detailing business is not as busy :lol

Or he loves basketball, the organization and has other people in place running the day - to - day aspects of the business.

Happy to see Timmy is still an integral part of the organization and that DeJounte wants to follow his example.

[J_Paco]

It will be interesting to see if he agrees to an extension in the offseason.

He'll probably receive an offer similar to Dante Exum's extension when he was recovering from his ACL tear. Something in the $8 - $12 million dollar range is fair for a starting caliber PG, but who needs to fully recover from a serious knee injury.

[Chinook]

He'll probably receive an offer similar to Dante Exum's extension when he was recovering from his ACL tear. Something in the $8 - $12 million dollar range is fair for a starting caliber PG, but who needs to fully recover from a serious knee injury.

Expecting an extension offer in the $16-20M APY range. I don't think they'd max him early, especially without seeing if he's healthy first. But locking him up on a long-term deal that has a decent chance of being under market seems like a worthwhile goal.

[Dverde]

Expecting an extension offer in the $16-20M APY range. I don't think they'd max him early, especially without seeing if he's healthy first. But locking him up on a long-term deal that has a decent chance of being under market seems like a worthwhile goal.

They seem to love this kid. They won’t low ball him because of the injury. Big risk for DJ to turn down a reasonable offer with nothing in the bank yet. I figure he’d be shaking hands easily at 16M per year, but who knows anymore. I assumed it would be 12M-15M range.

[gambit1990]

what a world of difference it would've made this year if the spurs had a kawhi who wanted to play and a healthy murray... spurs would be a contender for sure...

[Pavlov]

what a world of difference it would've made this year if the spurs had a kawhi who wanted to play and a healthy murray... spurs would be a contender for sure...Shit, Murray's defense alone might've erased half of this season's losses.

[r0drig0lac]

Shit, Murray's defense alone might've erased half of this season's losses.

and your rebounds

[John B]

I would expect a similar deal Kawhi had. Wait for us to get a very good 3 and D, with the promise to sign him max later

[phxspurfan]

what a world of difference it would've made this year if the spurs had a kawhi who wanted to play and a healthy murray... spurs would be a contender for sure...

Not really. Murray taking a big step in consistency, bball IQ/decision making and leadership, with a little bit of shooting improvement, would be 2015-16 Avery Bradley. Good, but not enough to get any team over the hump.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlav01.html

[exstatic]

Murray is represented by Klutch, so expect no discounts. Those guys play hardball. Shit, they got Tristan Thompson a near max deal. They’ll turn down anything below a max deal, and let it ride.

[Chinook]

Murray is represented by Klutch, so expect no discounts. Those guys play hardball. Shit, they got Tristan Thompson a near max deal. They’ll turn down anything below a max deal, and let it ride.

There's a chance, and had Murray been healthy, I definitely agree that would be the plan. But his injury combined with Noel's failings makes me think they'd be interested in an extension. For their part, I think PATFO would need DJM to give back quite a bit of money from a max to make something happen, because they just don't have the incentive to lock him into anything more. It's not clear DeJounte is even going to be the best PG on his team given his injury. Don't see them maxing him out unless he comes in and has an All-Star caliber 2019-2020.

[Mr. Body]

Murray is represented by Klutch, so expect no discounts. Those guys play hardball. Shit, they got Tristan Thompson a near max deal. They’ll turn down anything below a max deal, and let it ride.

This is why I don't think Murray will always be a Spur. He'll be expensive, but he also wants to go to a bigger market. He's LeBron's boy. To his credit, he's doing and saying the right things and is learning the game. But I think before long the team will need to move him along.

[exstatic]

There's a chance, and had Murray been healthy, I definitely agree that would be the plan. But his injury combined with Noel's failings makes me think they'd be interested in an extension. For their part, I think PATFO would need DJM to give back quite a bit of money from a max to make something happen, because they just don't have the incentive to lock him into anything more. It's not clear DeJounte is even going to be the best PG on his team given his injury. Don't see them maxing him out unless he comes in and has an All-Star caliber 2019-2020.

A players representation doesn’t always have their best interests at heart. See: Impact Sports. I think the Spurs will offer less than the max, I think Klutch will recommend that he bets on himself, rather than locking into a less lucrative deal, and the whole thing likely rolls into the summer of 2020, when Klutch can go field other offers.

[exstatic]

This is why I don't think Murray will always be a Spur. He'll be expensive, but he also wants to go to a bigger market. He's LeBron's boy. To his credit, he's doing and saying the right things and is learning the game. But I think before long the team will need to move him along.
They may field offers from other teams if he turns down his extension this summer. I see the reasons he may leave as financial, not necessarily market sized. I think he likes it here, and would stay if a financial agreement could be reached.

[cd98]

Murray is represented by Klutch, so expect no discounts. Those guys play hardball. Shit, they got Tristan Thompson a near max deal. They’ll turn down anything below a max deal, and let it ride.

Tristan Thompson also had his good friend, LeBron James, let management know they needed to sign Thompson to that deal. Klutch doesn’t have that same leverage with the Spurs.

[gambit1990]

might he be cleared to play by the time summer league rolls around?

[FkLA]

Trade Instagram Baller. Derrick White is the future.

[Dverde]

might he be cleared to play by the time summer league rolls around?

I doubt the Spurs want him to be summer ballin’ with inexperienced scrubs.

[spurraider21]

Trade Instagram Baller. Derrick White is the future.
why does it have to be one or the other? trade this talented young player because i like this other talented young player more!

white has been awesome this year, but our defense has still struggled because the other guard spot has been a trainwreck defensively between bryn, patty, marco, derozan (when he slides down to 2). murray/white can coexist in the same backcourt imo, or at the very least you can stagger then so at all times we at least have 1 guard on the floor with a defensive presence.

i do think they will end up starting together. davis has been good enough this year, and probably replaces gay as the starting 4 next year. the increased spacing that creates could be enough to compensate for murray joining the lineup

[Mugen]

Yeah I was all for trading Dejounte last summer but makes no sense to trade him now. I'm not opposed to trading him for the right price but his value is probably pretty low. Coming off a major injury and DWhite's emergence actually lowers his value to the point where you just keep both.

I think they'll have no issue playing together, especially if Murray has any semblance of an outside jumper next year. Though things do get dicey when you throw Derozan into the mix.

[Dverde]

He’s rehabbing on the beach. He’s thirty for that big contract.

https://247sports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/Article/Dejounte-Murray-rehabs-his-knee-at-the-beach-129235994/

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol overpaying a scrub who cant score, let alone no lock down defense, his all nba defense selection was horse shit anyway

white is the future of this team...

[BackHome]

This is why I don't think Murray will always be a Spur. He'll be expensive, but he also wants to go to a bigger market. He's LeBron's boy. To his credit, he's doing and saying the right things and is learning the game. But I think before long the team will need to move him along.


+1

[Dverde]

lol overpaying a scrub who cant score, let alone no lock down defense, his all nba defense selection was horse shit anyway

white is the future of this team...

You saying White is the future is equally laughable :lol

[ginobilized]

I like the possibilities of a White/Murray backcourt.
Defensively it's a hell yeah!
Offensively, Murray has to knock down some 3s.
Murray/White/DeRozan/Gay/Aldridge is a decent starting 5 on both sides of the ball. It gives us 3 players who can initiate the offense.
Next season can't come to soon for me.

[timtonymanu]

Murray doesn't have to go. Derozan does.

[rj215]

Admittedly somewhat stupid take: Can we trust a dude who dates an Instagram THOT...err Influencer...and breaks up with her every other week? Doesn't sound like he's got the best decision making off the court. And he wasn't exactly great at running the team and getting everyone in the right spots on the court. You can't win in the league now with a PG who can't shoot. Trade him first chance you can.

[Dverde]

Jilly is not the problem, Jilly is the asset.

[J_Paco]

Admittedly somewhat stupid take: Can we trust a dude who dates an Instagram THOT...err Influencer...and breaks up with her every other week? Doesn't sound like he's got the best decision making off the court. And he wasn't exactly great at running the team and getting everyone in the right spots on the court. You can't win in the league now with a PG who can't shoot. Trade him first chance you can.

It isn't "somewhat" stupid that take is just plain dumb. Who gives a fuck what DeJounte does in his personal life as long as he continues to work hard, train and improves into a quality starting PG.

[gambit1990]

Murray doesn't have to go. Derozan does.

[Play Boban]

Admittedly somewhat stupid take: Can we trust a dude who dates an Instagram THOT...err Influencer...and breaks up with her every other week? Doesn't sound like he's got the best decision making off the court. And he wasn't exactly great at running the team and getting everyone in the right spots on the court. You can't win in the league now with a PG who can't shoot. Trade him first chance you can.
Truth nuke.

[SupremeGuy]

White is clearly the future, but why trade Murray?

Just sucks that we wasted our pick on that fucking idiot Walker. Nothing in-between the ears and doesn't look like he has a feel for the game at this level.

[UZER]

This is why I don't think Murray will always be a Spur. He'll be expensive, but he also wants to go to a bigger market. He's LeBron's boy. To his credit, he's doing and saying the right things and is learning the game. But I think before long the team will need to move him along.

This is why said fuck LA. He knows they’re going to be coming after DJM.

[Pavlov]

Admittedly somewhat stupid take
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tyu.gif

[joeyjfive]

White is clearly the future, but why trade Murray?

Just sucks that we wasted our pick on that fucking idiot Walker. Nothing in-between the ears and doesn't look like he has a feel for the game at this level.

The guy is like 20 years old and has only gotten meaningful minutes against the defending champions that have one of the most talented teams in the history of the game. Give him a chance to prove he ain’t shit.

[r0drig0lac]

You saying White is the future is equally laughable :lol

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think the jury is still out on DJMs jump shot. It's a learnable skill and the limited preseason body of work was encouraging. You can bet he has been working hard on it during rehab. Best case IMO is Murray develops a passable 3 point shot and starts at the 2 next to White. If you could trade Demar for a Covington type you have the makings of something special. Even with Demar you are really solid. I think you have to wait to see what DJM has developed before giving up on him.

[Blackhaus]

Yeah looking forward to the start of next season with hopefully a fully healed backcourt and LW a year older.

[acoelho1]

Murray will be our starting pg next year.. book it.

[look_at_g_shred]

Anyone believe that he could achieve what Fox has done offensively? Or even say, D'angelo Russell?

[KDKSpurs24]

I think the jury is still out on DJMs jump shot. It's a learnable skill and the limited preseason body of work was encouraging. You can bet he has been working hard on it during rehab. Best case IMO is Murray develops a passable 3 point shot and starts at the 2 next to White. If you could trade Demar for a Covington type you have the makings of something special. Even with Demar you are really solid. I think you have to wait to see what DJM has developed before giving up on him.
He’s gonna be the 1. And I’m so confused that fans of a franchise that had Manu Ginobili, a hall of famer as their 6th man doesn’t realize we can bring White off the bench in that same 30 mpg role. Best players don’t always have to start as long as they get their minutes (Lou Williams as well). I’m not opposed to your Covington type trade though.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

White is starting next year. He has earned the right and he is the only one who really knows how to feed LMA. He is the only natural point guard we have. Murray will come off the bench and start off the year slowly. Pop will have him on some limitations and surrounding him with shooters on the bench while he is the only slasher will help Murrays development in becoming a point guard. Plus his defense/rebounding will help shore up the bench.

Lonnie will be fine guys. We drafted a 19 year old kid. It takes a while for them to learn and develop. His shot is good and his athleticism is world class. He just needs to learn defense and stay healthy.

[exstatic]

White is starting next year. He has earned the right and he is the only one who really knows how to feed LMA. He is the only natural point guard we have. Murray will come off the bench and start off the year slowly. Pop will have him on some limitations and surrounding him with shooters on the bench while he is the only slasher will help Murrays development in becoming a point guard. Plus his defense/rebounding will help shore up the bench.

Lonnie will be fine guys. We drafted a 19 year old kid. It takes a while for them to learn and develop. His shot is good and his athleticism is world class. He just needs to learn defense and stay healthy.

White AND Murray will start. If it's a break, Murray takes the reins. If it's half court, White.

[Dex]

Anyone who thinks DJ won't be starting next season must be huffing paint.

White will probably be starting too.

[Gordy58]

Murray, White, Derozan, Gay, Aldridge is pretty solid and gives us a great balance of defense and offense. Walker will definitely get better too.

[Dverde]

Murray, White, Derozan, Gay, Aldridge is pretty solid and gives us a great balance of defense and offense. Walker will definitely get better too.

Looks like a solid #5 seed. Great job PATFO!

[Gordy58]

Looks like a solid #5 seed. Great job PATFO!
and what exactly are you expecting then to do? They got young guys to build around plus two first round picks. The spurs can compete with just about any nba team in the playoffs. Except probably GS. Dejounte returning will be a huge boost for the defense. And would make everybody more switchable on defense as well.

[exstatic]

Looks like a solid #5 seed. Great job PATFO!

We'd probably be #3 right now with DeJounte.

[John B]

Dijon in the house. No signs of limping. Can we expect him to be back sooner than later?

[Duncan87]

100% No

[slick'81]

Dijon in the house. No signs of limping. Can we expect him to be back sooner than later?


Not this season

[John B]

Not this season
Alrighty then :rolleyes

[tonski17]

Start Dejounte, then white off the bench, but white should have more minutes, white has better chemistry with the second unit.

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, would have been nice to have Brogdon instead of him..

[dbestpro]

I run White and Murray and see if I can't find the right trade for DDR to bring in a true SF and maybe some picks.

[GusT15]

Damn, would have been nice to have Brogdon instead of him..

One time,ONE TIME the front office had to stay true to their culture and draft the quiet dude who stayed 4 years in college,the dude who was Spurs "material",the dude who Pop was gonna love and have loooooong conversations and long walks on the beach with a glass of wine,and what do they do?

They go ahead and draft an uncertain project in DJ Murray.

Get well soon DJ,every time i watch Brogdon play i curse RC Buford for drafting you over him.

[acoelho1]

You should curse yourself because Murray is light years better than Brogdon.

[R. DeMurre]

I like Brogdon, but let's give Murray another full season before we make comparisons. This is Brogdon's 3rd full year, and he's playing well. This year definitely represents a leap for him in terms of effectiveness and impact on the court. Last year was year #2 for both Murray and Brogdon, but Murray was 21 and Brogdon was 25, so I'd say the potential for growth favors Murray.

[GusT15]

You should curse yourself because Murray is light years better than Brogdon.

I'll bite.
Light years better,at what? I don't want "At everything","At basketball","He has a hotter girlfriend" kind of answers.

An actual basketball take.At what aspect of the game in the year 2019 is Dejounte Murray LIGHT YEARS better than Brogdon?

Perimeter space defense and passing lane coverage? Sure,sure. Rebounding? Maybe.

What else? Cause it's sure as hell isn't shooting,passing,dribbling,scoring in general,3pt %,Free throw %,Fg% in general,on ball defense,post defense.

Light years worse may be a better basketball take.

[Dverde]

Brogdan is a nice player. If DJ Murray can develop a reliable jumpshoot he is a top 10 PG. He’ll probably lead his position in rebounds one day (I don’t include Westbrook stat padding rebounds).

[sasaint]

Brogdan is a nice player. If DJ Murray can develop a reliable jumpshoot he is a top 10 PG. He’ll probably lead his position in rebounds one day (I don’t include Westbrook stat padding rebounds).

If DJ can develop a reliable jump shot he may become a very good SG. Last we saw of DJ he had very loose handles and poor/mediocre court vision. He doesn't make his teammates better on offense. White does, especially LMA.

[sasaint]

One time,ONE TIME the front office had to stay true to their culture and draft the quiet dude who stayed 4 years in college,the dude who was Spurs "material",the dude who Pop was gonna love and have loooooong conversations and long walks on the beach with a glass of wine,and what do they do?

They go ahead and draft an uncertain project in DJ Murray.

Get well soon DJ,every time i watch Brogdon play i curse RC Buford for drafting you over him.

Brogdon grew up rooting for the Spurs and practically begged us to draft him. Plus he was a very high IQ guy. I posted a great article about him from the Charlottesville Observer in his pre-draft prospect thread downstairs.

[GusT15]

Brogdan is a nice player. If DJ Murray can develop a reliable jumpshoot he is a top 10 PG. He’ll probably lead his position in rebounds one day (I don’t include Westbrook stat padding rebounds).

DJ Murray has a ton of potential.If he can get through his ACL injury and get back the same or even better,he has all the tools to become an amazing PG for the Spurs.

I dunno if his ceiling is Allstar or elite role player,but either way,the potential is there.

But you are talking 2 or 3 years down the line here.Brogdon is a top10 SG THIS season.I shit you not.He is a top10 Shooting Guard this season so far and we are starting Bryn Forbes at SG.

Who did the Spurs need more in 2016? A project with a higher ceiling? Or a complete player that would slide in the line up from day one? (He was the ROY after all)

[Strategic]

I’m all in on Murray and White coexisting in the back court. It’s too easy to say that Murray just needs to improve his stroke. I think there’s a equal need for him to adjust his game. He’s shone a penchant for getting in the lane and putting up awkward shots instead of pulling up for short jumpers. Looking forward to seeing this team emerge from this years carnage.

[r0drig0lac]

Brogdan is a nice player. If DJ Murray can develop a reliable jumpshoot he is a top 10 PG. He’ll probably lead his position in rebounds one day (I don’t include Westbrook stat padding rebounds).

in which case the problem is in you, Westbrook has 1.7 ORB in career (with 2.2 peak in his rookie season / 2.4 per36), Dejounte 1.0 (1.4 as peak/2.3 per36). Westbrook is a better rebounder, although Dejounte's position for rebounds is ATG, making it possible to overcome him one day.

[acoelho1]

I'll bite.

Ok, I'll bite. Last year's Murray had insane metrics on the defensive side of the ball that Brodgon can only dream about. He was the only player in the league with at least 400 rebounds, 30 blocks and 90 steals at under 6'6 and that's averaging 21 minutes a game. He was the youngest all NBA defensive selection in the history of the NBA and he grabbed more boards by a PG on the Spurs in franchise history! He was ranked 1st in Defense Real Plus-Minus and was the only PG in the top 25. Malcolm is ranked 16th among PGs and 171 among all players.

Murray is elite on that side of the ball and he has superior speed & athleticism. So, based on those attributes even with his deficiencies shooting, he is light years ahead of Brogdon.

[Play Boban]

You should curse yourself because Murray is light years better than Brogdon.

:lol

Murray is oft-injured and couldn't hold Brogdon's jockstrap.

[Play Boban]

Ok, I'll bite. Last year's Murray had insane metrics on the defensive side of the ball that Brodgon can only dream about. He was the only player in the league with at least 400 rebounds, 30 blocks and 90 steals at under 6'6 and that's averaging 21 minutes a game. He was the youngest all NBA defensive selection in the history of the NBA and he grabbed more boards by a PG on the Spurs in franchise history! He was ranked 1st in Defense Real Plus-Minus and was the only PG in the top 25. Malcolm is ranked 16th among PGs and 171 among all players.

Murray is elite on that side of the ball and he has superior speed & athleticism. So, based on those attributes even with his deficiencies shooting, he is light years ahead of Brogdon.

:rollin I didn't realize Murray's girl posted on here. :lmao

[ZeusWillJudge]

:lol

Murray is oft-injured and couldn't hold Brogdon's jockstrap.


So you want a player who is better at holding jockstraps?

Murray was a project when the Spurs drafted him. Brogdon was a much more mature, finished player. Everyone knew that - except for you, apparently. That meant that Brodgon was much more of a bargain on his rookie scale contract, and Murray was less of a bargain since by the time he gets Brogdon's level of seasoning, it will be about time to pay him more.

Pop's philosophy has always been to hold the other team to one shot attempt per possession, and shoot a better FG% by moving the ball and taking better shots. Murray is one of the best-rebounding guards in the league, which was a big factor. (LMA is a terrible rebounder for a player with his size.) The fact that Murray blossomed so quickly on D was a huge bonus.

Murray is a perfect fit for Pop's basketball philosophy. He also appears to be a hard worker who will improve year on year. (Another of the things Pop always looks for.) He's not Brodgon's equal on the offensive end, but he was good enough in his second year to hold down a starting position. If Brogdon had come into the league at 20, instead of 24, Murray would be the better of the two by far. Come back in 3 years and compare a 24 year old Murray to a 24 year old Brodgon, and the choice will be just that clear.

[Play Boban]

So you want a player who is better at holding jockstraps?

Murray was a project when the Spurs drafted him. Brogdon was a much more mature, finished player. Everyone knew that - except for you, apparently. That meant that Brodgon was much more of a bargain on his rookie scale contract, and Murray was less of a bargain since by the time he gets Brogdon's level of seasoning, it will be about time to pay him more.

Pop's philosophy has always been to hold the other team to one shot attempt per possession, and shoot a better FG% by moving the ball and taking better shots. Murray is one of the best-rebounding guards in the league, which was a big factor. (LMA is a terrible rebounder for a player with his size.) The fact that Murray blossomed so quickly on D was a huge bonus.

Murray is a perfect fit for Pop's basketball philosophy. He also appears to be a hard worker who will improve year on year. (Another of the things Pop always looks for.) He's not Brodgon's equal on the offensive end, but he was good enough in his second year to hold down a starting position. If Brogdon had come into the league at 20, instead of 24, Murray would be the better of the two by far. Come back in 3 years and compare a 24 year old Murray to a 24 year old Brodgon, and the choice will be just that clear.

:lol I know I've won the argument after reading that drivel. :lmao

Brodgon is a key piece on one of the best teams in the NBA. Murray is an injured scrub who can't shoot. We can't afford to have him on the floor with DDR, who can't shoot either.

[GusT15]

Ok, I'll bite. Last year's Murray had insane metrics on the defensive side of the ball that Brodgon can only dream about. He was the only player in the league with at least 400 rebounds, 30 blocks and 90 steals at under 6'6 and that's averaging 21 minutes a game. He was the youngest all NBA defensive selection in the history of the NBA and he grabbed more boards by a PG on the Spurs in franchise history! He was ranked 1st in Defense Real Plus-Minus and was the only PG in the top 25. Malcolm is ranked 16th among PGs and 171 among all players.

Murray is elite on that side of the ball and he has superior speed & athleticism. So, based on those attributes even with his deficiencies shooting, he is light years ahead of Brogdon.

I see you kept my argument out of you quoting me.Makes sense,cause i've already proven you being on the wrong side of this debate before you even replied.

Dude,nobody is saying that Murray is not an amazing defender.I'd like him to gamble less on steals when guarding an on ball opponent but that's just about it,negative wise.Magnificent rebounder as well.He can grab an offensive rebound over someone like Curry or Lillard before they even figure out where the ball went.
And i really wish him coming back stronger from the ACL,cause he has talent and potential and i'd love to see him become what he can,as a player.

All these facts though,don't change the main fact that Brogdon is better at basketball than Murray.
I dunno if it's cause you haven't watched the Bucks play this year and in general,and you just pull up stats and compare them.

If you do watch the Bucks at some point,you'll notice that ever since Budenholzer made Brogdon specifically play SG and gave the 2nd PG duties to Georgie Hill,he is one of the best SG's in the league! He makes 3's,he is one of the best guards at dribble drive and finish at the rim,he distributes the ball,and he is NOT a negative on defense.He carries his weight just fine on that end as well.

So,am i really wrong when saying that the right pick at the 2016 draft was Brogdon and not Murray? Or do i have a valid point?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

He’s rehabbing on the beach. He’s thirty for that big contract.

https://247sports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/Article/Dejounte-Murray-rehabs-his-knee-at-the-beach-129235994/

Who writes the articles on that site? The articles read like a 5th grader’s writing assignment.

[ZeusWillJudge]

:lol I know I've won the argument after reading that drivel. :lmao

Brodgon is a key piece on one of the best teams in the NBA. Murray is an injured scrub who can't shoot. We can't afford to have him on the floor with DDR, who can't shoot either.


Remind me again how the NBA's All Defensive team is chosen? I know they choose scrubs like Murray, but I just can't remember who votes. Is it stupid fans, like the ASG? And, ummm… who was the last Spur rookie to be chosen to the All Defensive team? I'm sure it was some scrub. Was it Kawhi? No, he didn't get chosen his rookie year. Must have been some other scrub.

You ignorant simian. The All Defensive Team is chosen by the 30 head coaches, who know the players better than anyone. And the last Spur rookie to be chosen (also to the second team) was Tim Duncan.

The only thing you got right is that Murray is injured. And compared to the usual stupid things you say, that's pretty good.

[MultiTroll]

The All Defensive Team is chosen by the 30 head coaches, who know the players better than anyone.
Come again?

Kirby Bryant.
9 time All Defensive 1st team
3 time 2nd team.

[GusT15]

Remind me again how the NBA's All Defensive team is chosen? I know they choose scrubs like Murray, but I just can't remember who votes. Is it stupid fans, like the ASG? And, ummm… who was the last Spur rookie to be chosen to the All Defensive team? I'm sure it was some scrub. Was it Kawhi? No, he didn't get chosen his rookie year. Must have been some other scrub.

You ignorant simian. The All Defensive Team is chosen by the 30 head coaches, who know the players better than anyone. And the last Spur rookie to be chosen (also to the second team) was Tim Duncan.

The only thing you got right is that Murray is injured. And compared to the usual stupid things you say, that's pretty good.

The All NBA Defensive teams are chosen by the 30 head coaches.
For the All Defensive team the 30 head coaches take a look at the Defensive ratings of the teams and try to get the most impactful players of the best defensive teams in the selection.
Leonard wasn't playing last year and someone from the Spurs had to make at least one spot in one of the teams.So,rightfully so they went with Murray.

Murray wasn't a rookie last year.

Cheers.

[GusT15]

And in the grand scheme of things i wouldn't really try to measure a player's value with awards.

Awards are most times narrative and public relations based.

I prefer the eye test,stats and performance evaluation in different kinds of adversities/challenges.

I mean Tim Duncan never won DPOY... That's how much awards mean...

[ZeusWillJudge]

The All NBA Defensive teams are chosen by the 30 head coaches.
For the All Defensive team the 30 head coaches take a look at the Defensive ratings of the teams and try to get the most impactful players of the best defensive teams in the selection.
Leonard wasn't playing last year and someone from the Spurs had to make at least one spot in one of the teams.So,rightfully so they went with Murray.

Murray wasn't a rookie last year.

Cheers.


You're right, he wasn't a rookie. It was his first year as a starter, and Kawhi didn't make the team until his third season, but I missed on that score.

But, no, that's not why Murray made the list. He had the best Defensive RPM of any guard with 50 games or more played. They don't choose the All Defensive team by default, because the team plays good D. Jimmy Butler made the list last year, and the T-Wolves were 27th in the league in Def Rtg.

So you caught me in a mistake, but still managed to say almost as much stupid shit as the other guy.

[GusT15]

You're right, he wasn't a rookie. It was his first year as a starter, and Kawhi didn't make the team until his third season, but I missed on that score.

But, no, that's not why Murray made the list. He had the best Defensive RPM of any guard with 50 games or more played. They don't choose the All Defensive team by default, because the team plays good D. Jimmy Butler made the list last year, and the T-Wolves were 27th in the league in Def Rtg.

So you caught me in a mistake, but still managed to say almost as much stupid shit as the other guy.

Let me try to help you a bit more cause you are apparently that much of a dumbass you didn't understand what i was saying the first time.

The Spurs had the second best defense in the entire NBA last year.

The coaches HAD to find a spot for a Spurs player in their selections cause of that fact.They went with Murray.He deserved it.

If Murray was in a struggling team defensively,with the same advanced metrics he wouldn't have made the 2nd All NBA defensive team.He is not that big of a name.

Butler for example made the team,and i won't even bother to check his stats or if he made it,cause of his name and the NARRATIVE that he is so amazingly hyper,super,dooper on defense.

Are we clear now? Did you get what i'm saying this time?

[GreekSpursfan]

I don't like Murray's bball IQ from what i've seen so far and i still think that 24 year old Brogdon has a better IQ than a 24 year old Murray will have but thats my projection and i hope i'm wrong of course. Even if Murray improves his shot he has to improve in other areas as well, mainly his desicion-making.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol I know I've won the argument after reading that drivel. :lmao

Brodgon is a key piece on one of the best teams in the NBA. Murray is an injured scrub who can't shoot. We can't afford to have him on the floor with DDR, who can't shoot either.

:lol he's the worst new poster we've had here in a minute..just writes walls of trash, tries to bore posters to death to deflect from his bland arguments..

[Play Boban]

Remind me again how the NBA's All Defensive team is chosen? I know they choose scrubs like Murray, but I just can't remember who votes. Is it stupid fans, like the ASG? And, ummm… who was the last Spur rookie to be chosen to the All Defensive team? I'm sure it was some scrub. Was it Kawhi? No, he didn't get chosen his rookie year. Must have been some other scrub.

You ignorant simian. The All Defensive Team is chosen by the 30 head coaches, who know the players better than anyone. And the last Spur rookie to be chosen (also to the second team) was Tim Duncan.

The only thing you got right is that Murray is injured. And compared to the usual stupid things you say, that's pretty good.

:lol Using the 2ND TEAM All-Defensive Team to defend a scrub :lol

If Kawhitter didn't quit on the team, he would have been in the defensive team and Murray would have just been another bench scrub. Murray is injured and has a cringe worthy girlfriend. Brodgon is better and that's an objective FACT.

[Dverde]

:lol Using the 2ND TEAM All-Defensive Team to defend a scrub :lol

If Kawhitter didn't quit on the team, he would have been in the defensive team and Murray would have just been another bench scrub. Murray is injured and has a cringe worthy girlfriend. Brodgon is better and that's an objective FACT.

You need to leave Jilly out of this. You knocking her only further emphasizes your inability to gauge talent.

[Play Boban]

You need to leave Jilly out of this. You knocking her only further emphasizes your inability to gauge talent.

:lol No, it knocks Murray's inability to judge female talent tbh. :lol

[acoelho1]

All these facts though,don't change the main fact that Brogdon is better at basketball than Murray.
I dunno if it's cause you haven't watched the Bucks play this year and in general,and you just pull up stats and compare them.

If you do watch the Bucks at some point,you'll notice that ever since Budenholzer made Brogdon specifically play SG and gave the 2nd PG duties to Georgie Hill,he is one of the best SG's in the league! He makes 3's,he is one of the best guards at dribble drive and finish at the rim,he distributes the ball,and he is NOT a negative on defense.He carries his weight just fine on that end as well.

So,am i really wrong when saying that the right pick at the 2016 draft was Brogdon and not Murray? Or do i have a valid point?

Brogdon is a solid player but I think you are devaluing what Murray brings to the table. There is no way I would choose Brogdon over Murray, who is considerably older. Things will become clearer next year when you see Murray's impact.

[Dverde]

Brogdon is a solid player but I think you are devaluing what Murray brings to the table. There is no way I would choose Brogdon over Murray, who is considerably older. Things will become clearer next year when you see Murray's impact.

Yes, I’d rather have Murray’s upside at this point than Brogdon’s lower ceiling. Brogdan wouldn’t save this team. White might be at Brogdon’s level in a season or two.

[GusT15]

Brogdon is a solid player but I think you are devaluing what Murray brings to the table. There is no way I would choose Brogdon over Murray, who is considerably older. Things will become clearer next year when you see Murray's impact.

By all means,if Murray takes another leap in his development next year,we're set with a great back court for the foreseeable future and i'm a happy Spurs fan.

My argument is for the past 2 seasons and this season,the past and the present.I'm not talking about the future. Maybe in 2021 he is gonna be better than Brogdon. He is gonna peak later as well.I know all those things.
But i guess with LMA's age and Pop's age and Tony and Manu on their last legs in 2016,i preferred Brogdon's "time window" with that version of the Spurs more than i did with DJ.He was more of a "sure thing" for a team already competing for a championship.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

:lol No, it knocks Murray's inability to judge female talent tbh. :lol:lmao

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

:lol Using the 2ND TEAM All-Defensive Team to defend a scrub :lol

If Kawhitter didn't quit on the team, he would have been in the defensive team and Murray would have just been another bench scrub. Murray is injured and has a cringe worthy girlfriend. Brodgon is better and that's an objective FACT.I wouldn't say Murray is a scrub he's a decent player that will get better but Brogdon and White are both better. The one that's a scrub and is going to be a bust is Walker

[MultiTroll]

Is he still making a daily Instagram with that chick?

[4lifecowboy]

Walker will be the best of the bunch, and probably our #1 scoring option in 2-3 years. He is the most naturally talented one of the bunch.

[r0drig0lac]

Walker will be the best of the bunch, and probably our #1 scoring option in 2-3 years. He is the most naturally talented one of the bunch.

no doubt about this

[acoelho1]

My argument is for the past 2 seasons and this season,the past and the present.I'm not talking about the future. Maybe in 2021 he is gonna be better than Brogdon.

I understand your argument but you are not hearing me. Murray's defense alone along with his speed & athleticism makes him a considerably better player right now. You obviously don't agree so we agree to disagree.

[exstatic]

Yes, I’d rather have Murray’s upside at this point than Brogdon’s lower ceiling. Brogdan wouldn’t save this team. White might be at Brogdon’s level in a season or two.

White's more athletic, which might be why the Spurs pulled the trigger.

When you're outside the lottery, it's OK to take a big swing, and draft a player with both a higher ceiling and a lower floor than perhaps a more ready player who's development is very close to being done. It's less of a gamble if you're one of the premier franchises at developing young players.

[exstatic]

By all means,if Murray takes another leap in his development next year,we're set with a great back court for the foreseeable future and i'm a happy Spurs fan.

My argument is for the past 2 seasons and this season,the past and the present.I'm not talking about the future. Maybe in 2021 he is gonna be better than Brogdon. He is gonna peak later as well.I know all those things.
But i guess with LMA's age and Pop's age and Tony and Manu on their last legs in 2016,i preferred Brogdon's "time window" with that version of the Spurs more than i did with DJ.He was more of a "sure thing" for a team already competing for a championship.

LMA and DD are just a bridge to the next generation of Spurs. I don't think that it's PATFO's intention for them to be in the long term build plan.

Brogdon couldn't have saved either of the last two seasons.

[GusT15]

I understand your argument but you are not hearing me. Murray's defense alone along with his speed & athleticism makes him a considerably better player right now. You obviously don't agree so we agree to disagree.

No,i get what you're saying,and if we were comparing guards with a huge difference in their capabilities on defense,for example Forbes and Mills vs the elite defense of Murray,i go with Murray everytime despite his not yet developed offensive game.
But Brogdon is a good defender and not a worthless one-like the aforementioned guards,and that moves the needle heavily to his side.

[GusT15]

LMA and DD are just a bridge to the next generation of Spurs. I don't think that it's PATFO's intention for them to be in the long term build plan.

Brogdon couldn't have saved either of the last two seasons.

LMA and DD are a bridge to the next generation of Spurs right now,in 2019.

In the summer of 2016,LMA was the 1b option of the Championship contender that was supposed to give the Warriors a run for their money in the West.DD was choking away games in Toronto.

Just cause we suck right now it doesn't mean the 60+ wins Spurs versions of the past 3 years never existed.

So,yeah,Brogdon would have helped.A lot.

[exstatic]

LMA and DD are a bridge to the next generation of Spurs right now,in 2019.

In the summer of 2016,LMA was the 1b option of the Championship contender that was supposed to give the Warriors a run for their money in the West.DD was choking away games in Toronto.

Just cause we suck right now it doesn't mean the 60+ wins Spurs versions of the past 3 years never existed.

So,yeah,Brogdon would have helped.A lot.

Well, year one would have been in Austin, year 2 was Kawhi's rebellion, and this is year 3, so, not so much. Only the first year was a quality team. Last year was 47 wins, and that's probably what we're looking at again. To restate: Brogdon couldn't have helped last years or this year's team much, and his development curve is flat.

[GusT15]

Well, year one would have been in Austin, year 2 was Kawhi's rebellion, and this is year 3, so, not so much. Only the first year was a quality team. Last year was 47 wins, and that's probably what we're looking at again. To restate: Brogdon couldn't have helped last years or this year's team much, and his development curve is flat.

You can argue that Pop would have him in Austin as a rookie,but i can also argue that NBA ready players get a lot of burn in SA in their rookie year from Pop.Just like Leonard-who was NBA ready defensively and a project offensively and played 64 games in his rookie year.

But making the argument that a main cog in this years best NBA team,record wise,the 3d scoring option,a good defender,would not HELP,especially the Spurs of 2018/19,who are starting Forbes at SG out of necessity... I dunno what to tell you man.. That's asinine..

[exstatic]

You can argue that Pop would have him in Austin as a rookie,but i can also argue that NBA ready players get a lot of burn in SA in their rookie year from Pop.Just like Leonard-who was NBA ready defensively and a project offensively and played 64 games in his rookie year.

But making the argument that a main cog in this years best NBA team,record wise,the 3d scoring option,a good defender,would not HELP,especially the Spurs of 2018/19,who are starting Forbes at SG out of necessity... I dunno what to tell you man.. That's asinine..

They're starting Forbes because DJ is INJURED.

If you want to settle for 16/3a/5r, and that's likely all he will ever be, i dunno what to tell you man.

[sasaint]

Well, year one would have been in Austin, year 2 was Kawhi's rebellion, and this is year 3, so, not so much. Only the first year was a quality team. Last year was 47 wins, and that's probably what we're looking at again. To restate: Brogdon couldn't have helped last years or this year's team much, and his development curve is flat.

You are mostly correct about the timeline. But I do think he would be a great asset this season. I don't think his development curve was, is or will be "flat." I think he came in with a high floor and he has continued to improve. I expect him to continue to add to his game as better veterans do. His curve has been slightly but steadily upward from a relatively high floor.

I also think you might be overlooking his character. He carries Spurs culture in his DNA. Perhaps Brogdon's presence would have relieved some of the pressure to sign Paul, re-sign Patty and double down on Pau.

[GusT15]

They're starting Forbes because DJ is INJURED.

If you want to settle for 16/3a/5r, and that's likely all he will ever be, i dunno what to tell you man.

They're starting Forbes cause DJ is injured,DDR can't shoot for shit,Gay can't play SF anymore and Gasol is one step away from retirement!

The projected SL in pre season was Murray/DDR/Gay/LMA/Gasol!

That's how badly constructed this roster is!

Yes sir,give me a SG with 16/3/5 on 50%/43%/93% and good defense! White/Brogdon/DDR/Gay/LMA!

[Mikeanaro]

And in the grand scheme of things i wouldn't really try to measure a player's value with awards.

Awards are most times narrative and public relations based.

I prefer the eye test,stats and performance evaluation in different kinds of adversities/challenges.

I mean Tim Duncan never won DPOY... That's how much awards mean...
Exactly.

[SpurPadre]

They're starting Forbes because DJ is INJURED.

If you want to settle for 16/3a/5r, and that's likely all he will ever be, i dunno what to tell you man.

Why not come up with a better plan B than throwing your arms up and inserting Forbes only to say "He's only starting 'cuz DJ is injured" as a copout?

[Play Boban]

Walker will be the best of the bunch, and probably our #1 scoring option in 2-3 years. He is the most naturally talented one of the bunch.

:lmao

[exstatic]

Why not come up with a better plan B than throwing your arms up and inserting Forbes only to say "He's only starting 'cuz DJ is injured" as a copout?

Because we're comparing and contrasting DJ and Brogdon? Forbes is a case of moving the goalposts.

[GusT15]

Because we're comparing and contrasting DJ and Brogdon? Forbes is a case of moving the goalposts.

Hey man,i don't have a hard on for Brogdon.

Every aspect of the conversation is orientated from my part towards with which draft pick the Spurs would be a better team.

If we had a good SG right now i probably wouldn't even bother thinking how good would the Spurs be with Brogdon instead of Murray.

Also if i didn't have the outmost confidence in Derrick White running point for the next 3 years i wouldn't want Murray and what he brings off this team for Brogdon.

It's all related around the current state of the Spurs.Team above everything,not a playerfan here.

[Dverde]

Just a minor postponement...Dejounte and Jilly coming back next year with a vengeance!
https://www.sportsgossip.com/.image/ar_8:10%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_fa ces:center%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_620/MTU3NTY0Nzc1NjIwOTQ1ODg0/screenshot_20180807-122613.jpg

[Play Boban]

Just a minor postponement...Dejounte and Jilly coming back next year with a vengeance!
https://www.sportsgossip.com/.image/ar_8:10%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_fa ces:center%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_620/MTU3NTY0Nzc1NjIwOTQ1ODg0/screenshot_20180807-122613.jpg

Ugh

[GusT15]

And to put this argument behind us cause i really like DJ Murray,and i find tremendous value in ELITE defensive guards,i'll say this and close this whole debacle.

Brogdon is an RFA this summer and the Bucks have to choose on who to sign out of: Middleton,Bledsoe,Brogdon,Lopez,Mirotic (all FA)

If PATFO had not signed Mills and Gasol on those HORRIBLE contracts we could take a swing on Brogdon in free agency and have him NEXT to DJ and White in the rotation.

Is that better? :lol

[exstatic]

And to put this argument behind us cause i really like DJ Murray,and i find tremendous value in ELITE defensive guards,i'll say this and close this whole debacle.

Brogdon is an RFA this summer and the Bucks have to choose on who to sign out of: Middleton,Bledsoe,Brogdon,Lopez,Mirotic (all FA)

If PATFO had not signed Mills and Gasol on those HORRIBLE contracts we could take a swing on Brogdon in free agency and have him NEXT to DJ and White in the rotation.

Is that better? :lol

No. LW IV will be a better, cheaper option than Brog as a FA. He also needs time to develop, which he wouldn't get in the imaginary world where we sign Brogdon.

[Sdayi78]

And to put this argument behind us cause i really like DJ Murray,and i find tremendous value in ELITE defensive guards,i'll say this and close this whole debacle.

Brogdon is an RFA this summer and the Bucks have to choose on who to sign out of: Middleton,Bledsoe,Brogdon,Lopez,Mirotic (all FA)

If PATFO had not signed Mills and Gasol on those HORRIBLE contracts we could take a swing on Brogdon in free agency and have him NEXT to DJ and White in the rotation.

Is that better? :lol

Bledsoe signed a 4-yr extension with Milwaukee earlier today

[Play Boban]

No. LW IV will be a better, cheaper option than Brog as a FA. He also needs time to develop, which he wouldn't get in the imaginary world where we sign Brogdon.
LW IV is a conspiratorial scrub. I like Murray better than him.

[GusT15]

Bledsoe signed a 4-yr extension with Milwaukee earlier today

Yeah about 17 per,4/70 or something.

Dunno,i have a sneaky feeling they want to keep Brogdon over Middleton,but we'll see.

[Dverde]

Yeah about 17 per,4/70 or something.

Dunno,i have a sneaky feeling they want to keep Brogdon over Middleton,but we'll see.

That creepy feeling is someone grossly overpaying Middleton. Brogdon probably better a lower contract with less interest around the league. Isn’t Brogdan restricted contract anyways?

[GusT15]

That creepy feeling is someone grossly overpaying Middleton. Brogdon probably better a lower contract with less interest around the league. Isn’t Brogdan restricted contract anyways?

Yeah he's RFA,first extension after rookie contract.

A worthless GM with cap space will overpay Middleton and then the Bucks will match anything Brogdon gets,that's what i think as well.

[Play Boban]

Right now:

Brogdon is dominating at the Staples Center. :wow

Murray is sitting on the couch with his girl crying “muh leg!” :cry

[Play Boban]

I wouldn't say Murray is a scrub he's a decent player that will get better but Brogdon and White are both better. The one that's a scrub and is going to be a bust is Walker
Strongly agree about the moon landing denier Walker.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Just cause we suck right now it doesn't mean the 60+ wins Spurs versions of the past 3 years never existed.

So,yeah,Brogdon would have helped.A lot.


Those two 60 win teams both had the #1 DRTG in the league. That's not a coincidence. Of course Brogdon would have helped, nobody would argue against that. The statement that Murray is a scrub, and that his defense doesn't matter is idiotic. Scrub posters say things like that, and then try to run away from it by moving the goal posts.

Brogdon is 26, and is probably out of upside. And he's likely going to get a contract in the neighborhood of 4/$60M next season. Murray is 21, loaded with upside, a near-elite defender, and will cost $2.1M next year. On a team with a legit PG, Murry would be a lot more effective. If he can consistently shoot 3's close to he did in the last half of last season, that plus his defense will have all of you pretending like you loved him from the start.

[GusT15]

Those two 60 win teams both had the #1 DRTG in the league. That's not a coincidence. Of course Brogdon would have helped, nobody would argue against that. The statement that Murray is a scrub, and that his defense doesn't matter is idiotic. Scrub posters say things like that, and then try to run away from it by moving the goal posts.

Brogdon is 26, and is probably out of upside. And he's likely going to get a contract in the neighborhood of 4/$60M next season. Murray is 21, loaded with upside, a near-elite defender, and will cost $2.1M next year. On a team with a legit PG, Murry would be a lot more effective. If he can consistently shoot 3's close to he did in the last half of last season, that plus his defense will have all of you pretending like you loved him from the start.

Learn to read,and learn to quote to correct poster you feel like you're in a disagreement with.

I never said Murray is a scrub.Not once.Never agreed with anyone calling him a scrub on this thread either.

If you wanna call out PB for calling him a scrub,be my guest but don't drag me into it.

[TheGreatYacht]

No. LW IV will be a better, cheaper option than Brog as a FA. He also needs time to develop, which he wouldn't get in the imaginary world where we sign Brogdon.
So in your opinion, injury prone Lonnie "Cant" Walker and Yakob Poodle will both be better than Brogdon and Steven Adams.

Am I getting this right?

[Play Boban]

Could you point me to some evidence from this season that show that Murray isn’t a scrub? Oh, wait you can’t because he’s injured. :lol

The idea that Murray has upside more than Brogdon is laughable. Murray will be lucky to be in the league 10 years from now as his injuries pile up. He’s a horrible offensive player that plays good defense. Without a jump shot, he’s unplayable for many minutes given the current roster construction. FACT.

[J_Paco]

So in your opinion, injury prone Lonnie "Cant" Walker and Yakob Poodle will both be better than Brogdon and Steven Adams.

Am I getting this right?

Well, they are both only 20 (Walker IV) and 23 (Poetl), so they still have plenty of room to grow. Adam's is a lot better currently than Poetl, but Jakob has been stuck behind solid guys in Valanciunas (in Toronto), Aldridge and Gasol.

He'll can still get better and become a possible 12 - 8 - 1 type of center. His per 36 numbers aren't too far off of Adam's level of production.....

Walker's potential ceiling is higher and floor is close to what Brogdon currently is. He was a project before the mensicus injury set him back, so anyone expecting prime Ray Allen from him at this point is an idiot.

He has plenty of time to become a capable starter or possible all - star (if he works on his decision making and defense) especially with his superior physical gifts to someone like Brogdon.

Also, a better comp to Brogdon would be White since they are similar in play style, size, drafted spot and being seniors out of college.


Could you point me to some evidence from this season that show that Murray isn’t a scrub? Oh, wait you can’t because he’s injured. :lol

The idea that Murray has upside more than Brogdon is laughable. Murray will be lucky to be in the league 10 years from now as his injuries pile up. He’s a horrible offensive player that plays good defense. Without a jump shot, he’s unplayable for many minutes given the current roster construction. FACT.


Pretty stupid to say someone is a "scrub" because they're out with injury. DeJounte is definitely on track to be a better player than Brogdon (who is a solid starting guard) even with the injury.

He's a pit bull on defense, has better physical tools and is 5 years younger than Brogdon.

Brogdon is a complimentary piece who isn't elite in anyone area of the game.

I know it is the cool thing to poo poo everything and everyone involved with the Spurs around here, but the slurping of other team's talent is hilarious.

[Nivek_ogre]

What a bunch of shit takes in this thread.

[J_Paco]

What a bunch of shit takes in this thread.

You have a ton of "fans" here that only live to hate, denigrate and belittle anyone involved with the current team.

Can't even allow the young players to mature, develop and grow into a finished product without calling them "scrubs" (even though they are in the best league in the world) and sucking off other team's players.....

[GusT15]

People in this thread are heavily overrating some of our young guns.

We're a franchise with 5 World Championships,we've witnessed Legends and greatness.

If you feel the need to over hype some of our PROSPECTS and PROJECTS of players cause we're not contending anymore,and it will give you a sense of hope for the future,by all means,go ahead.

But if you overdo it,your basketball takes start sounding like pure homerism tbh

[J_Paco]

People in this thread are heavily overrating some of our young guns.

We're a franchise with 5 World Championships,we've witnessed Legends and greatness.

If you feel the need to over hype some of our PROSPECTS and PROJECTS of players cause we're not contending anymore,and it will give you a sense of hope for the future,by all means,go ahead.

But if you overdo it,your basketball takes start sounding like pure homerism tbh

So, what is the point of being a fan if you can't hope for the best out of your prospects? I don't think anyone has gonna too far with praising the young players.

And dwelling on what the Tim Duncan era accomplished isn't going to help nor is expecting that type of run ever again. What Duncan, Robinson, Ginobili, Parker, Popovich, etc. did was unprecedented for nearly any franchise not in Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago or Oakland.

Be appreciative of that run cause it likely isn't happening ever again, but also be hopeful that the young players reach or exceed their potential.....

[tmtcsc]

Could you point me to some evidence from this season that show that Murray isn’t a scrub? Oh, wait you can’t because he’s injured. :lol

The idea that Murray has upside more than Brogdon is laughable. Murray will be lucky to be in the league 2 years from now as his injuries pile up. He’s a horrible offensive player that plays good defense. Without a jump shot, he’s unplayable for many minutes given the current roster construction. FACT.

FIFY

[RC_Drunkford]

People in this thread are heavily overrating some of our young guns.

We're a franchise with 5 World Championships,we've witnessed Legends and greatness.

If you feel the need to over hype some of our PROSPECTS and PROJECTS of players cause we're not contending anymore,and it will give you a sense of hope for the future,by all means,go ahead.

But if you overdo it,your basketball takes start sounding like pure homerism tbh

People here don't overhype our prospects, they are aware of the Spurs having the best player development program in the league. Spurs are #1 at shaping young talent and a lot of picks who are out of the league now would've probably became solid NBA players if they ran through this program. Walker and Murray are physically gifted, they just need to learn all the X's and O's and they will definitely do that here

[Dverde]

Someone posted this on reddit...
https://i.redd.it/u41t3jyrj8k21.jpg

[GusT15]

Someone posted this on reddit...
https://i.redd.it/u41t3jyrj8k21.jpg

I sincerely hope by "soon" he means October.Pushing to come back from an ACL in the same season you snapped it is beyond IDIOTIC,no matter how young you are and how fast you heal.
Can a Doctor from the the Spurs medical staff shoot that idea down in Murray's head?

[KDKSpurs24]

I sincerely hope by "soon" he means October.Pushing to come back from an ACL in the same season you snapped it is beyond IDIOTIC,no matter how young you are and how fast you heal.
Can a Doctor from the the Spurs medical staff shoot that idea down in Murray's head?
I doubt he’s trying to come back this season. They won’t allow him to anyways. Plus not enough games remaining to even fit him into the rotation without screwing things up. He probably just means until he’s back on the practice court

[Dverde]

I sincerely hope by "soon" he means October.Pushing to come back from an ACL in the same season you snapped it is beyond IDIOTIC,no matter how young you are and how fast you heal.
Can a Doctor from the the Spurs medical staff shoot that idea down in Murray's head?

Soon probably refers to the re-launching of the Dejounte and Jilly YouTube channel :clap :clap

[jermaine]

We had a debate on Clans YouTube channel last might about DJ or White.... because of stuff like this post, it leads me to believe DJ would be a lil bitch about coming off the bench. His shot hasnt proven to be good enough to be a SG too... White I'm sure would take the bench role, but I feel the team is better with him on the court ball handling. Therefore I would only see no other option but to trade DJ an get a true SF.

[John B]

We had a debate on Clans YouTube channel last might about DJ or White.... because of stuff like this post, it leads me to believe DJ would be a lil bitch about coming off the bench. His shot hasnt proven to be good enough to be a SG too... White I'm sure would take the bench role, but I feel the team is better with him on the court ball handling. Therefore I would only see no other option but to trade DJ an get a true SF.
He needs to prove himself both to Spurs and free agency first, coz right now his stock is a bag of peanuts

[exstatic]

We had a debate on Clans YouTube channel last might about DJ or White.... because of stuff like this post, it leads me to believe DJ would be a lil bitch about coming off the bench. His shot hasnt proven to be good enough to be a SG too... White I'm sure would take the bench role, but I feel the team is better with him on the court ball handling. Therefore I would only see no other option but to trade DJ an get a true SF.

Forbes goes to the bench, and dejounte starts with white. No Need to invent problems that don’t exist.

[jermaine]

Forbes goes to the bench, and dejounte starts with white. No Need to invent problems that don’t exist.

Who will be the primary ball handler in your world?

[Spurs fever]

We had a debate on Clans YouTube channel last might about DJ or White.... because of stuff like this post, it leads me to believe DJ would be a lil bitch about coming off the bench. His shot hasnt proven to be good enough to be a SG too... White I'm sure would take the bench role, but I feel the team is better with him on the court ball handling. Therefore I would only see no other option but to trade DJ an get a true SF. Is Clan credible? During the trading deadline he was saying all kinds of things about the Spurs in discussions with other teams-- nothing he said was being reported by the media and he said he had sources.

[Larry O]

Well Spurs fans, it appears the Murray vs White debate of who should have the keys to this team is starting to ramp up, lol! At least we'll have something to blog about this summer into the 2020 season! One question will be if SAS will persue a SF free agent (do they have the $ is the ?), or kick the tires on Huestis or Moore to see if they are ready to take that BIG leap into the NBA for CHEAP. They can have one or both, if chosen, to come off the bench. White can start as the two & DD10 can stay at the SF position. Forbes, if he's still here, can come off the bench. I have bad feeling that money wise, this team may have to stand pat for 2020, & just tweak this team a bit with a new name, but with the emergence of Eubanks and LW4, I can see this team not doing much in 2020. In my opinion, I think that White right now, is the proven player over DJ. Murray, I believe, will get the keys, but if White starts along side him, I think that may help Murray's load responsibilities big time, plus this team will also have some good defense with them in the starting lineup. So, in 2020, if Pop is still coaching, look for a whole lot of lineup tinkering/mad scientist stuff happening. We'll see, but GSG!!!

[dbestpro]

Who will be the primary ball handler in your world?

Joe Dumars was listed as a PG/SG. He and Isiah Thomas shared ball handling duties a lot even though Isiah got most the press. Dumars was excellent at defense. Then they would bring in the microwave.

Could Murray, White and Forbes become our Dumars, Thomas and Johnson?

[GusT15]

Joe Dumars was listed as a PG/SG. He and Isiah Thomas shared ball handling duties a lot even though Isiah got most the press. Dumars was excellent at defense. Then they would bring in the microwave.

Could Murray, White and Forbes become our Dumars, Thomas and Johnson?

Wait,isn't Mills our Vinnie Johnson microwave? He only goes by The Closer nowadays? Is Forbes now the microwave? What is happening?

[rjv]

Forbes goes to the bench, and dejounte starts with white. No Need to invent problems that don’t exist.

[slick'81]

Whats the fastest a player has returned from an acl tear?

[GusT15]

Whats the fastest a player has returned from an acl tear?

That's exactly the line of thinking Murray must get out of his head!

It takes about 9 months to get in full shape after the surgery.

ACL's are tricky cause,although they are not career enders nowadays,you still have a 20% chance to snap it again.

Someone must do a screening of that Boobie Miles movie for DJ,then offer him a chair and a ball and tell him to sit his ass on the chair and shoot the damn ball.

[ulosturedge]

That's exactly the line of thinking Murray must get out of his head!

It takes about 9 months to get in full shape after the surgery.

ACL's are tricky cause,although they are not career enders nowadays,you still have a 20% chance to snap it again.

Someone must do a screening of that Boobie Miles movie for DJ,then offer him a chair and a ball and tell him to sit his ass on the chair and shoot the damn ball.

I agree he should take it slow, but I don't know where you are getting this 20% thing. That's like a 1 in 5 chance. Those are pretty bad odds to be honest. When they repair(replace) the acl they use tendons which is much stronger then original ligament. He would be more likely to tear his other acl before tearing the one that was repaired.

[GusT15]

I agree he should take it slow, but I don't know where you are getting this 20% thing. That's like a 1 in 5 chance. Those are pretty bad odds to be honest. When they repair(replace) the acl they use tendons which is much stronger then original ligament. He would be more likely to tear his other acl before tearing the one that was repaired.

Sure.
Michael Redd,Jabari Parker,DAVIS BERTANS.
If a bone breaks it's very likely it may never break again after recovery.
If a ligament breaks it may break again,and again,and again...

Why are you making me think of broken ACL's at this time of the day? Let's just say it's a dangerous injury and he should take it slow and leave it at that! I shouldn't have brought up percentages,my bad!

[Proxy]

Sure.
Michael Redd,Jabari Parker,DAVIS BERTANS.
If a bone breaks it's very likely it may never break again after recovery.
If a ligament breaks it may break again,and again,and again...

Why are you making me think of broken ACL's at this time of the day? Let's just say it's a dangerous injury and he should take it slow and leave it at that! I shouldn't have brought up percentages,my bad!

you should probably write a letter to the spurs medical staff and warn them, and explain how irresponsible they're being

[GusT15]

you should probably write a letter to the spurs medical staff and warn them, and explain how irresponsible they're being

I wrote a letter to your sister to break things off with her,i hope she didn't take it that hard.

Then again.. that's the way she likes taking it.

[Play Boban]

Someone posted this on reddit...
https://i.redd.it/u41t3jyrj8k21.jpg
Ugh....this scrub is just so cringeworthy. :madrun

[Proxy]

I wrote a letter to your sister to break things off with her,i hope she didn't take it that hard.

Then again.. that's the way she likes taking it.
https://media2.giphy.com/media/9Pb57AGOCbbJOB6bPB/giphy.gif

[exstatic]

Who will be the primary ball handler in your world?

DJ on the break, and White in the half court.

[Phenomanul]

DJ on the break, and White in the half court.

pretty much...

[Ocotillo]

DJ on the break, and White in the half court.

Yep, at this time White and DDR are trading off bringing the ball up the court.

[ulosturedge]

Sure.
Michael Redd,Jabari Parker,DAVIS BERTANS.
If a bone breaks it's very likely it may never break again after recovery.
If a ligament breaks it may break again,and again,and again...

Why are you making me think of broken ACL's at this time of the day? Let's just say it's a dangerous injury and he should take it slow and leave it at that! I shouldn't have brought up percentages,my bad!

No worries. I've torn both my acl's and ironically enough the Spurs doctor is the one that repaired both of them. Rest assured the new acl is much tighter so to speak and makes your knee quite stable.

The only hurdle is the mental one. He walked his injury off so id say he's pretty mentally tough. When I tore mine it hurt like a motha fucka. Would rather break bone then tear a ligament. Wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[Dex]

Yep, at this time White and DDR are trading off bringing the ball up the court.

I'd like to see a Murray / White / DeRozan backcourt, but to me...this is where it breaks down.

DJ will need to the ball in his hands, especially on the break, to utilize his talents.

White is the team's best natural point guard and passer. Taking the ball out of his hands would be a waste of his best talent.

DeMar also functions best when he is getting a lot of touches and can create offense for himself and others. And despite what people think/hope, Pop isn't going to unload him after one season.

It's just hard to see there being enough touches to go around for that unit...and I fully expect Murray to start when he returns.

White deserves to start, but he may be better suited in a Manu role where he can be the captain of the bench and a go-to option for end of games.

[Dverde]

You’re all delusional if you don’t see Patty in the backcourt. He is a lifer :rolleyes

[Dex]

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[dbestpro]

Still a long way to go. See you in September.

[slick'81]

Still a long way to go. See you in September.

long as hes ready by training camp im golden

[C-Dub]

To be able to play with and against grown men with NBA talent is a big statement. He will come back and perform just fine along side White

[GusT15]

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Yeah i can see why he irritates some Spurfans with social media posts like this one.He just hyped himself.In a childlike/playful way nonetheless,but it was still self hyping.

Damn it Murray,you had an ACL tear,you didn't lose a leg to a landmine during WW2.
Of course you'd be able to dunk pretty soon.(not 5 months later,but 7 months later would make sense)
Work on the 3!

[Dex]

Yeah i can see why he irritates some Spurfans with social media posts like this one.He just hyped himself.In a childlike/playful way nonetheless,but it was still self hyping.

Damn it Murray,you had an ACL tear,you didn't lose a leg to a landmine during WW2.
Of course you'd be able to dunk pretty soon.(not 5 months later,but 7 months later would make sense)
Work on the 3!

He is a bit of a social media whore...but that's the new generation.

Let the kid have some fun. This was supposed to be his breakout season and he got shelved instead.

It's at least encouraging that he seems engaged and optimistic instead of pouting about what could have been.

[GusT15]

He is a bit of a social media whore...but that's the new generation.

Let the kid have some fun. This was supposed to be his breakout season and he got shelved instead.

It's at least encouraging that he seems engaged and optimistic instead of pouting about what could have been.

I get what you're saying and i also get that he's a 22 year old kid,but you also understand that people following the Spurs for decades are not used to "that".

I mean,can you imagine Nephew tweeting out something like

"After 5 long months i finally managed to wipe my own ass.:p::eyebrows:reading:claw" ?

That is not the Spurs way tbh

[Dex]

I get what you're saying and i also get that he's a 22 year old kid,but you also understand that people following the Spurs for decades are not used to "that".

I mean,can you imagine Nephew tweeting out something like

"After 5 long months i finally managed to wipe my own ass.:p::eyebrows:reading:claw" ?

That is not the Spurs way tbh

:lol

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[timtonymanu]

I get what you're saying and i also get that he's a 22 year old kid,but you also understand that people following the Spurs for decades are not used to "that".

I mean,can you imagine Nephew tweeting out something like

"After 5 long months i finally managed to wipe my own ass.:p::eyebrows:reading:claw" ?

That is not the Spurs way tbh

Smh. That’s what the new generation is. Not that I’m about all that but who cares if these guys use social media? PATFO shouldn’t care anyway because Pop loves the media attention with his political comments.

[John B]

Murray is very marketable. The camera loves him. If he’s anything close to what’s advertised, he could very well help recruit good players here with his outgoing attitude

[bklynspursfan]

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[r0drig0lac]

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[Dex]

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I'm glad to see him making such quick progress, but this still makes me cringe.

The last thing he needs is to reinjure himself doing flashy dunks at practice. Slow it down, young blood.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I get what you're saying and i also get that he's a 22 year old kid,but you also understand that people following the Spurs for decades are not used to "that".

I mean,can you imagine Nephew tweeting out something like

"After 5 long months i finally managed to wipe my own ass.:p::eyebrows:reading:claw" ?

That is not the Spurs way tbh


:pop: It takes a team to wipe Kawhi's ass.

[ceperez]

He is a bit of a social media whore...but that's the new generation.

Let the kid have some fun. This was supposed to be his breakout season and he got shelved instead.

It's at least encouraging that he seems engaged and optimistic instead of pouting about what could have been.

The deal here is that the Spurs are NOW going to be built around Derrick White. So Murray better learn to play second fiddle.

Murray's got talent, but I worry about him always seeking the spot light.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1105922015243001856

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Go Navy!!!

[cd021]

Smh. That’s what the new generation is. Not that I’m about all that but who cares if these guys use social media? PATFO shouldn’t care anyway because Pop loves the media attention with his political comments.

You mean when he is asked by a reporter and people on ST freaks out when he gives an answer?

[timvp]

I'm glad to see him making such quick progress, but this still makes me cringe.

The last thing he needs is to reinjure himself doing flashy dunks at practice. Slow it down, young blood.

That's not a recent video. It's from last season, IIRC. DJ probably meant he "can't wait" until he's back to doing that, tbh.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

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That's great that he is able to jump around pain free. Hopefully he is working hard on his jumper and studying hella game tape. I look forward to his play next season

[Dex]

That's not a recent video. It's from last season, IIRC. DJ probably meant he "can't wait" until he's back to doing that, tbh.

That makes much more sense. Considering a few days ago he just posted that he had his first dunk in five months, I was a little surprised to see him going all dunk contest mode in practice.

[rjv]

DJ on the break, and White in the half court.

spot on.

[wildbill2u]

Anybody who posts a picture of his GF with himself on the john in the background has a self-deprecating sense of humor that might be hard to pick up on at first. I don't care how he posts if he works on the shooting with Chip and comes back with a goood attitude.

[Blackhaus]

Spurs need someone that promotes themself and the Spurs, I like the flair he brings as long as he backs it up. If not bye bye and let White run the team with that death(dead) stare.

[KDKSpurs24]

Anybody who posts a picture of his GF with himself on the john in the background has a self-deprecating sense of humor that might be hard to pick up on at first. I don't care how he posts if he works on the shooting with Chip and comes back with a goood attitude.
That was Lonnie... and I thought the GF posted it

[timtonymanu]

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You mean when he is asked by a reporter and people on ST freaks out when he gives an answer?

Well he isn’t obliged to comment on it. He could simply say that’s not part of his job but yeah he chooses to scoff actual questions related to basketball, no matter how many times he’s heard those questions or how ridiculous he thinks those questions are. So he enjoys interjecting his opinion on politics that he can’t control.

[cd021]

Well he isn’t obliged to comment on it. He could simply say that’s not part of his job but yeah he chooses to scoff actual questions related to basketball, no matter how many times he’s heard those questions or how ridiculous he thinks those questions are. So he enjoys interjecting his opinion on politics that he can’t control.

I really don't get the issue, people are entitled to talk about politics that they cannot control except if it's related to sports or entertainment.

Also it's not like he doesn't answer basketball questions, I think he gets annoyed by certain questions or his response is based on how the team plays.

If you have an issue, it should be with the reporters who ask him, not with him for answering- that just seems silly.

[TDMVPDPOY]

playing the media game, to be an attention whore...work on ur game, l et ur game to the talkin

[HankChinaski]

He seems to be working his ass off up into this point. No reason to overreact. Guy seems to progressing well ahead of schedule and something of that nature is great to hear. Means he can start working on parts of his game sooner

[8FOR!3]

Murray is basically still in the age group of a college kid and he's excited that he's working hard and progressing slightly quicker than expected with his injury. Do some of you just not understand perspective? Be glad that he's so excited about the game of basketball. Those are the kind of guys who always get better. Hopefully he works on his shooting and continues to refine his handles.