Derrick White: Out 6-8 weeks

[Rip Chord]

Be happy to speak towards his MRI YG. He manipulated. It sucks. For all Spurs fans. And I assume you are one.

[YGWHI]

I said Pavlov would reply 30 times...Here we go again. :D

[YGWHI]

Be happy to speak towards his MRI YG. He manipulated. It sucks. For all Spurs fans. And I assume you are one.
Spurs medical staff let a player manipulated his MRI...They're worse than I thought. :D

[Rip Chord]

Geez. No they didn't. That's the point. They knew. The other NBA physicians knew, as its shared many times. But he went rogue. What don't you get. Everyone knew. The medical staff. The coaches. The organization. Hell, even the sales staff. They did what they could do to try and pacify him. Hope they could bring it around. But... what a fckn douchebag he turned out to be. Sorry your hero turned out that way. It sucks. But it's the truth.

[tlongII]

Looks like you guys hired our old medical staff!

[gambit1990]

https://twitter.com/jimlefko/status/1050768413646356480

PATFO need to get on their knees and start begging
:lol

fuck that.

[YGWHI]

They knew...everyone knew...he was injured but "didn't follow protocol"...

This is an advanced from "he was faking an injury". In a few months this will get closer and closer to my view. A bitter triumph.

[Rip Chord]

YG- I'll leave you with this. Early on everyone knew what was going on. The Spurs tried to resolve. Bent over backwards. It became obvious midway thru the season, but they still tried. Kawhi was good to go. Say what you want about Manu and TP, but the entire team knew. They were busting their ass, and knew it. I hate it. Every Spurs fan hates it. Not what we signed up for or are used to. But, it's true. It's still hard to see him that way based on what we saw years past. It just sucks. But, the medical staff is top notch and spot on. That's the bottom line.

[Pavlov]

No. And you?

See? You're arrongantly assuming you're right because of your bias.

This works both ways.Right neither of us has examined him -- so what you're seeing now could be the proof of the Spurs diagnosis.

In short, you're wrong to make your stupid declarations, doctor.

[YGWHI]

Right neither of us has examined him -- so what you're seeing now could be the proof of the Spurs diagnosis.
Or proof of Spurs' injury mishandling. Again, it works both ways, doc.

[Pavlov]

Or proof of Spurs' injury mishandling. Again, it works both ways, doc.That's what I said, genius.

You're the one that's saying it can only be one way.

[YGWHI]

That's what I said, genius.

You're the one that's saying it can only be one way.

You can't admit even a slight doubt on Spurs' medical staff, can't admit the possibiliy of the staff making a mistake with his injury but I'm the one that say it can be only way. Sure.

[Pavlov]

You can't admit even a slight doubt on Spurs' medical staff, can't admit the possibiliy of the staff making a mistake with his injury but I'm the one that say it can be only way. Sure.There's the possibility sure.

You think they DEFINITELY made the mistake, doctor.

You say it's the only way.

You've said it all along.

[Rip Chord]

Thank God he has magically recovered now, though. Frckn miracle if you ask me. I think the Canadian border patrol must have thrown pixie dust on him. What an amazing turn around during the summer months.

[Ice009]

YG- I'll leave you with this. Early on everyone knew what was going on. The Spurs tried to resolve. Bent over backwards. It became obvious midway thru the season, but they still tried. Kawhi was good to go. Say what you want about Manu and TP, but the entire team knew. They were busting their ass, and knew it. I hate it. Every Spurs fan hates it. Not what we signed up for or are used to. But, it's true. It's still hard to see him that way based on what we saw years past. It just sucks. But, the medical staff is top notch and spot on. That's the bottom line.

Do you think he'll get back to his top form this season, or is the injury degenerative and is he likely to be worse?

[Rip Chord]

Top form, he needs to. Unfortunately they will get the best out of him. I would have held on to him. Taken the chance. Worst case scenario taken his cap space.

[Ice009]

Walker is going to be more like 4 weeks with medial meniscectomy. He had a repair on the same knee in college which likely led to the problem. These guys are all in the right hands. Spurs docs are the same ones that worked on Duncans knee, twice. Did Robinsons Jones fx surgery, and Bertans ACL. They know what they are doing. For the record- The problem with the Kahwitter deal, is that he was diagnosed correctly but he didn't follow the recommended rehab protocol. His team stepped in and put their own rehab together. Saw how that worked out. Oh, and he's a pussy.

So Lonnie didn't get anything removed in his Miami surgery and also now this current one with the Spurs? Should he back back so soon? 4 weeks would be great, but I still assume he wouldn't be back on the court until after that time? Thanks for the info.

By the way, you seem to know a lot of stuff in regards to Spurs players and their medical treatments. Do you know someone within the Spurs organization or work in the medical field?

[kobyz]

At least 12 weaks if it's a tear

[playbonner15]

Looks like you guys hired our old medical staff!
Fuck this might be true

[spursparker9]

D White is in Top 10 fastest player in NBA 2K19.

Saw it in Bleach Report. Westchuck is number 1

[kaji157]

5-7 weeks left... With paddy...

[TrainOfThought5]

It’s called Karma. For all those who were wishing injury on Leonard.

Smfh.

[TD 21]

It's incredible how incompetent this front office has become. It's like someone injected them with stupid in '15 and did permanent damage.

Predictably, playing 3 C's and Gay at SF in '18 has proven untenable. But because they refuse to waive Pondexter or utilize their open 2-way spot on a PG and wing (should have taken a flier on Reed or Williams), they don't have enough NBA bodies to do anything about their lack of flexibility and depth.

[tbdog]

Pondexter signing is unjustifiable. He does not look like an NBA player. We don't even need his shooting, which isn't that great either.

[hoopdreams11]

Corey Brewer is available

[TDMVPDPOY]

Corey Brewer is available

not a pop guy, or no spurs culture cause he doesnt wavve a towel like wanker to get the attention of patfo if his playing like shit, at leasts support from the bench...fck that shit

[sasaint]

Corey Brewer is available

I really wanted the Spurs to get Corey when he came out of Florida. I might settle for him even now. He is more athletic than most of our active roster and could provide the D we sorely need.

[stu scotts eye]

Why would we. Not sign brewer

[r0drig0lac]

Corey Brewer is available

I would like to shabazz,athletic and can create your own shot, their numbers with limited minutes in Milwaukee were very good

[Immortal Spur]

was actually looking at the remaining free agents today and thought Brewer would fill a gaping hole.

[Hoops Czar]

Corey Brewer is available
If anyone thought he was worth a damn, he wouldn't be. But you know what they say, another team's junk is a Spurs' treasure

[BackHome]

Always been on his Wagoon but if he can’t stay healthy the remaining season cut an release

[ace3g]

Still wished Brewer would have signed with us back in 2011...

[Ice009]

Still wished Brewer would have signed with us back in 2011...

I wanted him back then too. It's too late now, though. I don't want guys anymore that passed up the Spurs years ago. It just doesn't work out in my opinion.

[MaNu4Tres]

It's incredible how incompetent this front office has become. It's like someone injected them with stupid in '15 and did permanent damage.

Predictably, playing 3 C's and Gay at SF in '18 has proven untenable. But because they refuse to waive Pondexter or utilize their open 2-way spot on a PG and wing (should have taken a flier on Reed or Williams), they don't have enough NBA bodies to do anything about their lack of flexibility and depth.

Gay is going on 33 yrs old. With his recent problems with injuries, Spurs need to sell high on him this year to a desperate team trying to add a piece at the deadline for a playoff push.

Attach Poeltl & Milutinov to Patty and ship them to PHX for Tyson Chandlers expiring.

This front office has shit the bed outside of the draft the past 3 summers and it was a factor for Kawhi to start thinking about LA.

[duncan2150]

It's incredible how incompetent this front office has become. It's like someone injected them with stupid in '15 and did permanent damage.

Predictably, playing 3 C's and Gay at SF in '18 has proven untenable. But because they refuse to waive Pondexter or utilize their open 2-way spot on a PG and wing (should have taken a flier on Reed or Williams), they don't have enough NBA bodies to do anything about their lack of flexibility and depth.

That’s strange, it’s obvious that we need a true pg To replace Murray.

maybe they don’t do nothing because White will come back soon ( pop said 2-4 weeks ).

[tbdog]

Gay is going on 33 yrs old. With his recent problems with injuries, Spurs need to sell high on him this year to a desperate team trying to add a piece at the deadline for a playoff push.

Attach Poeltl & Milutinov to Patty and ship them to PHX for Tyson Chandlers expiring.

This front office has shit the bed outside of the draft the past 3 summers and it was a factor for Kawhi to start thinking about LA.

Gay is one a one year contract and signed a cheap one at that. I think Gay is staying the course and he will get a 3 year deal probably starting 9mil with a partial guarantee in the last year. That's my guess. Gay won't fetch Spurs much unless a team wants to make a push for a finals run and will attach a prospect or pick, which spurs won't need. If Spurs don't want Gay for the future, they will let him expire. If spurs want to create space for next season, they can trade Patty and 1st for Shumpert from Kings. Then pay Gasol out in the off season while letting Gay go. Just glancing at the numbers, that would give the Spurs about 10 to 15mil in cap space (not that much in this climate), but could create more by moving Bertans.

[bklynspursfan]

Gay is going on 33 yrs old. With his recent problems with injuries, Spurs need to sell high on him this year to a desperate team trying to add a piece at the deadline for a playoff push.

Attach Poeltl & Milutinov to Patty and ship them to PHX for Tyson Chandlers expiring.

This front office has shit the bed outside of the draft the past 3 summers and it was a factor for Kawhi to start thinking about LA.

Don't really get the last part tbh. It's always been said Kawhi just wants to play basketball. Why would he want to go to a team like the Clippers or the Lakers before LeBron, a team that wasn't a playoff team)?

[BackHome]

My biggest concern is we have three future starters that are made out of China. Can we really count on White and Walker to be able to play a full season? I like Murray but his arms are bigger then his legs I always think there going to break like twigs when he taking hard to the rim.

Right now we have only 3 real starters Deroz, Rudy, and LMA , after that our second tier would be Bertans, Gasol, and Ferrari. After that we got scrubs, Mills, Forbes, Cunningham, Quincy, Poodle.

This next draft may be the most critical draft we have ever had as we
need to find two players who can start

[SpursDynasty85]

My biggest concern is we have three future starters that are made out of China. Can we really count on White and Walker to be able to play a full season? I like Murray but his arms are bigger then his legs I always think there going to break like twigs when he taking hard to the rim.

Right now we have only 3 real starters Deroz, Rudy, and LMA , after that our second tier would be Bertans, Gasol, and Ferrari. After that we got scrubs, Mills, Forbes, Cunningham, Quincy, Poodle.

This next draft may be the most critical draft we have ever had as we
need to find two players who can start

I think they eventually find a rhythm to play in. Right now they are young and learning ways of their body and NBA play. Once they have more experience they will understand what they can take and how to play in a safer way. Still a concern moving forward though for sure.

[DAF86]

This guy would have mitigated a lot of our problems.

[Pavlov]

This guy would have mitigated a lot of our problems.Maybe. But you say he never would've played.

[marinoman]

Hopefully the 2-4 week timetable pop gave us is accurate. 1-3 weeks away

[DAF86]

The shtick is back!

timvp or Kori Ellis, can we do something about this troll, that goes following me around and spamming shit just because I have faith on a Spurs' player?

[Pavlov]

timvp or Kori Ellis, can we do something about this troll, that goes following me around and spamming shit just because I have faith on a Spurs' player?Eh, you're the guy who said he never would've played.

That's faith?

[DAF86]

Eh, you're the guy who said he never would've played.

That's faith?

I have faith on White. Not so much faith on current Pop, tbh. Anyway, with Murray out for the season, my worries about White not getting playing time dissapeared. In fact, I don't know why you got your panties in a bunch with that comment, I'm giving the FO and the coaching stuff a cop out for having players injured.

[BackHome]

The million dollar question with White
is can he stay healthy?

[Pavlov]

I have faith on White. Not so much faith on current Pop, tbh. Anyway, with Murray out for the season, my worries about White not getting playing time dissapeared. In fact, I don't know why you got your panties in a bunch with that comment, I'm giving the FO and the coaching stuff a cop out for having players injured.I don't know why you got your panties in a bunch and whined to the admins tbh.

That's pretty sad.

[DAF86]

I don't know why you got your panties in a bunch and whined to the admins tbh.

That's pretty sad.

I don't feel like dealing with trolling faggots today, tbh.

[DAF86]

It's actually pretty funny that you continue claiming that other people troll and that have shticks, yet you have become one of the biggest trolls on this forum. The worst thing is that you do it unintentionally. :lol

[Pavlov]

I don't feel like dealing with trolling faggots today, tbh.If that's what you're calling me, why are you dealing with me?

[TD 21]

Gay is going on 33 yrs old. With his recent problems with injuries, Spurs need to sell high on him this year to a desperate team trying to add a piece at the deadline for a playoff push.


Attach Poeltl & Milutinov to Patty and ship them to PHX for Tyson Chandlers expiring.

This front office has shit the bed outside of the draft the past 3 summers and it was a factor for Kawhi to start thinking about LA.

Gay is probably worth a 2nd considering Evans, a better, more desirable archetype, could only fetch that last season. He has more value to the Spurs, since they're clearly focused on trying to make the playoffs.

Way too early to give up on Poeltl. He's been shockingly terrible, but mostly set up to fail. A rim runner needs a playmaker(s) and shooters to thrive. Use him to salary dump Mills and the Leonard trade looks even worse.

They have, but if it was a factor, he should have had the balls to say it to them or better yet attempt to prevent some of the damage by asserting himself.



That’s strange, it’s obvious that we need a true pg To replace Murray.

maybe they don’t do nothing because White will come back soon ( pop said 2-4 weeks ).

There's no excuse. As I alluded to, just having another NBA caliber PG and/or wing could create more competition and unlock more lineups possibilities. They're so limited in what they can do right now.

[TheGreatYacht]

This guy is already halfway into his 24th year and he doesn't even have 18 games played here. A typical RC Drunkford draft pick if there ever was one.

[Pavlov]

He'll be fine.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1055239780949245952

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1055239780949245952

No one cares what traitor Jabari thinks. Next thing we know, Woj will report that White's foot fell off.

[SpurPadre]

This guy is already halfway into his 24th year and he doesn't even have 18 games played here. A typical RC Drunkford draft pick if there ever was one.

Yeah, I'm tired of getting a bunch of old rookies. Jonathan Simmons was like 26 years old in his first year too.

[timvp]

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1055239780949245952

So he's ballparking a return date based on how he's walking?

[NASpurs]

So he's ballparking a return date based on how he's walking?

Jabroni hasn't learned anything from last year.

[objective]

Jabari thought Dejounte walking next to RC the night of his injury without crutches or a boot was a positive sign

[Mr. Body]

We need some of our young guards back, asap.

[stu scotts eye]

We need some of our young guards back, asap.

Just told my wife this. Patty and Forbes on defense look so heavy footed. I'd rather have a Lonnie Walker athlete darting all over the floor even if they sometimes turning the ball over.

Our team seriously looks .500, but I have faith White/Lonnie will make a big difference.

[Spurs fever]

I see a lot of Lonnie support but does anyone even know if he was gonna be part of the rotation even before his injury? Just asking.

[Chinook]

I see a lot of Lonnie support but does anyone even know if he was gonna be part of the rotation even before his injury? Just asking.

I don't think he was. Doesn't mean he didn't deserve to (in the eyes of some of us). But without Murray, at least we'd be able to see him develop in a lost season.

[RD2191]

I see a lot of Lonnie support but does anyone even know if he was gonna be part of the rotation even before his injury? Just asking.

No. Spurs fans are delusional tbh. :lol

[BackHome]

Next draft is really important so before the season ends I want to know what we have with:
Walker - can he stay healthy and can he replace Forbes and Mills?
White - Can he play PG and can he stay healthy and can he be a legit back up?
Metu - Can he show enough to get playing time real playing time?

I am disappointed in Poodle man when a two way contract guy Eubanks gets more playing time and does better it’s not looking good

[TDMVPDPOY]

Next draft is really important so before the season ends I want to know what we have with:
Walker - can he stay healthy and can he replace Forbes and Mills?
White - Can he play PG and can he stay healthy and can he be a legit back up?
Metu - Can he show enough to get playing time real playing time?

I am disappointed in Poodle man when a two way contract guy Eubanks gets more playing time and does better it’s not looking good

must get rid of all the vets who have failed, stop with the stupid loyalty contract program... time to go youth and more athletic, every other team out there is faster and bigger then the spurs...

[sasaint]

I see a lot of Lonnie support but does anyone even know if he was gonna be part of the rotation even before his injury? Just asking.

With a healthy Dijon, White, Forbes and (of course) Patty (not to mention DeMar), Lonnie was going to spend the season in Austin, imho.

[HankChinaski]

With the depleted back court yeah I think he gets an opportunity to, but he will spent time up in Austin to evaluate his recovery.

I think they will out of overall necessity he is going to get minutes due to a lack of depth an to lower minute usage of the backcourt.

Initially I thought Austin bound with a couple opportunities to prove his ability to get minutes. Just not right away.

[stu scotts eye]

I think it was one of the bright sides, if there was one of DJ going down, is having White and Lonnie Walker thrown into the fire and growing that way. Not spending all year going to the NBDL as walker would have.

And the alternative is what my plain eyes see now and its not looking good. Demar is the only wing that can facilitate and make something for someone.

Alot of this is chemistry of course, but I just don't see how we compete with this roster. But ill judge better by the holidays.

[Ice009]

I don't think he was. Doesn't mean he didn't deserve to (in the eyes of some of us). But without Murray, at least we'd be able to see him develop in a lost season.

Yep. I want Lonnie to play no matter what. He's got the most potential out of all the young guys. Might as well just play him. And also, the main reason I want him to play is because i think he has more defensive potential than anyone else on the team not named Dejounte.

[John B]

I think he’ll play. We need all the defense that we could get in the guard position. Does he start along side Derozan though? I think Forbes is earning all his minutes and proving to be a viable option next to Derozan and Aldridge. He’s opening up the lanes

[pookenstein]

How is everybody sure White and Walker will see meaningful minutes this season? We all know Pop will play Mills wether he deserves it or not and Forbes so far is one of the bright spots on the roster. Don't see Pop cutting his minutes.

[objective]

Don't know if I'll watch any more games live until White or Walker get back and play.

It's so tiresome to see Mills. I'd rather just check the score and fast forward past the Mills minutes.

[SAGirl]

Pop not even trying to give an estimate on his return. The team hasn't put out any kind of statement of expected time aaik
1055528428248678400

[Pavlov]

I see a lot of Lonnie support but does anyone even know if he was gonna be part of the rotation even before his injury? Just asking.He wasn't if everyone was healthy.

Not everyone is healthy.

[Pavlov]

How is everybody sure White and Walker will see meaningful minutes this season? We all know Pop will play Mills wether he deserves it or not and Forbes so far is one of the bright spots on the roster. Don't see Pop cutting his minutes.:lol White was announced as the starting point guard before his injury.

How would that not be meaningful?

Forbes is playing as well as could possibly be expected. Mills is terrible. White can play defense. He'll play.

[pookenstein]

:lol White was announced as the starting point guard before his injury.

How would that not be meaningful?

Forbes is playing as well as could possibly be expected. Mills is terrible. White can play defense. He'll play.

It was meaningful, but I think it's quite possible things changed with Bryn playing as well as he has. Forbes (so far) has played way better than expected before the season. He's earned his minutes. I'd love White to take Mills minutes, but I don't see Pop doing it.

[Pavlov]

It was meaningful, but I think it's quite possible things changed with Bryn playing as well as he has. Forbes (so far) has played way better than expected before the season. He's earned his minutes. I'd love White to take Mills minutes, but I don't see Pop doing it.I'm sure Pop doesn't want to play Forbes 31 mpg all season nor DeMar 38.

[BSfromTX]

Forbes may be playing well, but I still feel like White has much more upside/potential. It has taken a lot of effort for Forbes to get to this point. White has the potential to be much better IMHO

[Chinook]

Forbes is playing about as well as one could expect White to have played. Like maybe White could handle the ball a bit better and more effective defensively, but he could also be hurting the team hardcore there. Bryn is taking care of the ball, making the right plays, hitting his shots and sticking his nose in there on D. Considering what a mess the bench has been without any play-maker, having White go down there just seems to make more sense.

[SpursDynasty85]

Forbes is playing about as well as one could expect White to have played. Like maybe White could handle the ball a bit better and more effective defensively, but he could also be hurting the team hardcore there. Bryn is taking care of the ball, making the right plays, hitting his shots and sticking his nose in there on D. Considering what a mess the bench has been without any play-maker, having White go down there just seems to make more sense.

Bryn doesn't do any ball handling really. Maybe take the ball down occassionally. White would be better fit with Derozan I think still. White has a good 3 point shot as well. Its just that the bench could improve more with White going there considering Patty is soooo bad. I'd be happy if Patty just got benched permanently and played about 10 mpg.

[DAF86]

White just has a much bigger ceiling than Forbes. Bryn won't ever do much better than he's doing right now. White has shown flashes of very good playmaking.

I have no problem with keeping Forbes as the starter once White comes back. Like Chinook said, the fit does seem better pairing Forbes with DeRozan and Mills with White, but I would like to see Derrick getting more minutes than both Forbes and Mills, and have him finishing games.

A lineup of White, DeRozan, Gay, Bertans and Aldridge to finish games is about the best we can do both in terms of offense and defense, imho.

[objective]

Forbes is playing about as well as one could expect White to have played. Like maybe White could handle the ball a bit better and more effective defensively, but he could also be hurting the team hardcore there. Bryn is taking care of the ball, making the right plays, hitting his shots and sticking his nose in there on D. Considering what a mess the bench has been without any play-maker, having White go down there just seems to make more sense.

Disagree, my expectations for White were higher than Forbes is delivering.

I do though think it's fair for him to play off the bench because the bench has no playmakers or penetrators and Pop would rather vote Trump than stagger his best players.

Forbes is active on defense but not very effective. I think White is a better defender, better transition player, better at getting to the rim, better at creating his own shot, a serviceable shooter (I trust him more than Mills), better rebounder, and most of all for me I think he makes 'winning' plays, intangible plays, hustle plays, loose ball plays, hit ahead plays, defensive plays, etc

[Chinook]

Disagree, my expectations for White were higher than Forbes is delivering.

I do though think it's fair for him to play off the bench because the bench has no playmakers or penetrators and Pop would rather vote Trump than stagger his best players.

Forbes is active on defense but not very effective. I think White is a better defender, better transition player, better at getting to the rim, better at creating his own shot, a serviceable shooter (I trust him more than Mills), better rebounder, and most of all for me I think he makes 'winning' plays, intangible plays, hustle plays, loose ball plays, hit ahead plays, defensive plays, etc

Yeah, I can't ride with you there, I didn't expect White to come in and average 15/3/3 on 48-percent shooting from three and carrying a 5:2 A/TO ratio. I might have had hopes that he could be better than that, but I wasn't going to expect him to do anything more than provide inconsistent scoring and ball-handling and decent defense and shooting. While shooting a good percentage and taking care of the ball. He's playing as a legit fourth option right now. That's way more than I'd ask of a guy making his first few starts at a new position, whether that guy is Bryn or Derrick.

[SpursDynasty85]

Yeah, I can't ride with you there, I didn't expect White to come in and average 15/3/3 on 48-percent shooting from three and carrying a 5:2 A/TO ratio. I might have had hopes that he could be better than that, but I wasn't going to expect him to do anything more than provide inconsistent scoring and ball-handling and decent defense and shooting. While shooting a good percentage and taking care of the ball. He's playing as a legit fourth option right now. That's way more than I'd ask of a guy making his first few starts at a new position, whether that guy is Bryn or Derrick.

You do have to consider that the whole league is playing at a ridiculous pace right now. A lot of people numbers are inflated right now. Things will normalize a bit but the league is changing. Just like how the NFL now has crazy QB numbers.

[pookenstein]

I'm sure Pop doesn't want to play Forbes 31 mpg all season nor DeMar 38.

True, but how many minutes will he shave off? If Bryn keeps playing like he is, I doubt he'll play less than 25/game. DeMar's mines might go down to 32/game. I think it'll be closer to 35/game, but let's assume the 32. That frees 12mpg for two guys. Maybe 5 more shaved off Mills playing time, but that would still only be 17 minutes between White and Walker.

[Chinook]

True, but how many minutes will he shave off? If Bryn keeps playing like he is, I doubt he'll play less than 25/game. DeMar's mines might go down to 32/game. I think it'll be closer to 35/game, but let's assume the 32. That frees 12mpg for two guys. Maybe 5 more shaved off Mills playing time, but that would still only be 17 minutes between White and Walker.

Don't forget that the more players like White play two-guard minutes, the more two-guards will play SF minutes, and the more SFs will play PF minutes and finally the more Aldridge will play center minutes. Bertans/Cunningham and Gay will lose minutes, especially if the former doesn't play well enough to justify it. If everyone is good enough, you'll see less Gasol/Aldridge combo minutes and significantly less Poeltl. The rotation will go where the talent is. If there are more talented guards, the team will play smaller. With the guard problems they currently have, they're playing bigger.

[pookenstein]

Sounds nice in theory. Hopefully you're right.

[Coach X]

^ This is a good point.

Anyway, I think offensive talent shouldn't be the main criteria to decide who plays or not. This roster's offensive talent is above the average of the league IMO. Scoring or TOs are not the problems. Who can play any defense? That's a better question to make in order to know who has to play more or less minutes. How defensively good is this or that unit? This is another point of discussion for our coaches.

Speaking about White and Forbes, I think the average defensive contribution from White will help the team more than the current global contribution from Forbes, regardless how White's offensive game goes, as long as Derrick doesn't turn the ball over more than Brynn is doing (this is PG Forbes' biggest success).
Same about Walker. Can he play defense without damaging too much the offense? Then he deserves some court presence. Although, I still think the plan for him is to learn the system with the Toros, away from the NBA pressure. And I believe this plan is correct looking forward his long-term progression.

Popovich said the team is "defensively challenged" so they have to be working on some defensive adjustments. These can go from working on small individual key details to changing the playing time distribution(I won't be surprised if Metu starts playing). From a coaching perspective, I don't think the current help system, the rotations, the screens and p&r covers are wrong by design. I would put the emphasis on players to improve defensive execution but it's undeniable that too many of them are really limited in this area of the game. The team (and the roster) needs desperately anybody that can make defensive plays. The Spurs current defense is so weak that NBA unproven Derrick White could be a key player.

[Ice009]

Walker's gotta play. His defense will likely be better than most of the roster. I think he'll also be OK on offense. There is absolutely no reason for him not to play when he get's healthy.

[SAGirl]

^ This is a good point.

Anyway, I think offensive talent shouldn't be the main criteria to decide who plays or not. This roster's offensive talent is above the average of the league IMO. Scoring or TOs are not the problems. Who can play any defense? That's a better question to make in order to know who has to play more or less minutes. How defensively good is this or that unit? This is another point of discussion for our coaches.

Speaking about White and Forbes, I think the average defensive contribution from White will help the team more than the current global contribution from Forbes, regardless how White's offensive game goes, as long as Derrick doesn't turn the ball over more than Brynn is doing (this is PG Forbes' biggest success).
Same about Walker. Can he play defense without damaging too much the offense? Then he deserves some court presence. Although, I still think the plan for him is to learn the system with the Toros, away from the NBA pressure. And I believe this plan is correct looking forward his long-term progression.

Popovich said the team is "defensively challenged" so they have to be working on some defensive adjustments. These can go from working on small individual key details to changing the playing time distribution(I won't be surprised if Metu starts playing). From a coaching perspective, I don't think the current help system, the rotations, the screens and p&r covers are wrong by design. I would put the emphasis on players to improve defensive execution but it's undeniable that too many of them are really limited in this area of the game. The team (and the roster) needs desperately anybody that can make defensive plays. The Spurs current defense is so weak that NBA unproven Derrick White could be a key player.
Completely agree. Same as you mention Metu. If he plays with effort and keeps making defensive plays and grabbing a board he could start getting minutes,even though he’s a second round pick that Pop would normally send to the Gleague too. They are just starved for a hustle/effort defensive player.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

White would be about 5 steps above Patty's current contribution level. Hopefully he'll get better pretty quick.

[BackHome]

I am OK with Forbes just as long as he is your 15th or 16th best player on the team. The Spurs need to
upgrade starters and also bench in a big way.

[SpursDynasty85]

I am OK with Forbes just as long as he is your 15th or 16th best player on the team. The Spurs. We’d to upgrade starters and also bench in a big way.

I disagree and agree. From a one on one standpoint.. yes. but as a specialist standpoint he could easily do what Patty did for us early in his career. Coming off the bench for 15 mpg and igniting a well-oiled bench is his perfect role. Once Patty had to start and eat the bulk of the minutes you saw he ended up looking like a 15 or 16th man but if he goes back to his role and there is the right team around him, he could be a super bench player.

[cd021]

I am OK with Forbes just as long as he is your 15th or 16th best player on the team. The Spurs need to
upgrade starters and also bench in a big way.

The way Forbes has played, he isn't giving Pop a reason to bench him. White has better defensive potential and is more of a actually PG but Forbes is a better, more proven shooter. I have been very critical of Forbes in the past but he makes sense in the SL. Poeltl on the other hand....

[slick'81]

The way Forbes has played, he isn't giving Pop a reason to bench him. White has better defensive potential and is more of a actually PG but Forbes is a better, more proven shooter. I have been very critical of Forbes in the past but he makes sense in the SL. Poeltl on the other hand....


Forbes has been somewhat of a bright spot and has made patty expendable