Central America is Invading Mexico

[Chris]

Caravan migrants, defying Trump warnings, smash through border fence en route to Mexican territory



Central Americans traveling together in a mass caravan smashed through a Guatemalan border fence on Friday and fled toward Mexican territory, directly defying President Trump’s threats and Mexican authorities' call for an organized migration.

The 4,000-person strong-migrant caravan pushing north toward the United States initially stalled Friday morning at Guatemala's border with Mexico, where members debated the next step.

On the Mexican side of a border bridge, they were met by a wall of police with riot shields. About 50 migrants succeeded in pushing through before officers unleashed pepper spray and the rest retreated. The chaos calmed somewhat as migrants formed lines stretching across the bridge and some even returned to the Guatemalan side to buy water and food.

But others, tired of waiting, jumped off the bridge into the Suchiate River. Migrants organized a rope brigade to ford its muddy waters, and some floated across on rafts operated by local residents who charged a dollar or two to make the crossing.

Manelich Castilla, the Mexican federal police chief, told Foro TV that his forces successfully prevented a violent breach by the migrants. But in a separate interview with Milenio television, he said people not part of the group had attacked police with rocks and fireworks.

"It will be under the conditions that have been said since the start," Castilla said. "Orderly, with established procedures, never through violence or force as a group of people attempted."

Earlier Friday, Mexico's ambassador to Guatemala said his country intended to enforce what he called a policy of orderly entry in the face of the thousands trying to cross.

Ambassador Luis Manuel Lopez Moreno added that more than 100 migrants had been allowed to cross the bridge to apply for refugee status, including some who were from the caravan and others who were not.

Trump has told Mexico that he is monitoring the country’s response. On Thursday he threatened to close the U.S. border if Mexico didn't stop the caravan. Later that day he tweeted a video of Mexican federal police deploying at the Guatemalan border and wrote: "Thank you Mexico, we look forward to working with you!"


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Still, Mexican officials said those with passports and valid visas — a small portion of those trying to cross — would be let in immediately.

Migrants who want to apply for refuge in Mexico were welcome to do so, they said, but any who decide to cross illegally and are caught will be detained and deported.

The first members of the caravan began arriving in the Guatemalan border town of Tecun Uman on buses and trucks early Thursday, but the bulk of the group sloshed into town on foot in a downpour late in the afternoon and into the evening.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/caravan-migrants-defying-trump-warnings-smash-through-border-fence-en-route-to-mexican-territory



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[DMX7]

Does anything trigger Trump more than seeing a slow-moving caravan of migrants from Central America?

[Th'Pusher]

Does anything trigger Trump more than seeing a slow-moving caravan of migrants from Central America?

I think the fact that he lost the popular vote bothers him more.

[Nathan89]

Time to implement the ship illegals to Africa policy.

[FrostKing]

Send them to Germany and Sweden

[Winehole23]

Time to implement the ship illegals to Africa policy.Why Africa?

[SnakeBoy]

Why Africa?

It's where they came from originally

[Winehole23]

shush, you. I asked Nathan.

[Nathan89]

Why Africa?

Because they won't want to be sent there and it will be more difficult for them to come back.

[Winehole23]

good thinking.

what makes you think "Africa" would accept forcibly resettled migrants not from there, or are you just fantasizing?

[Winehole23]

looks like it didn't work.

no invasion.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-caravan/migrant-caravan-halted-on-mexico-guatemala-border-pressure-to-turn-back-mounts-idUSKCN1MT1WM

[Winehole23]

in b4 Chris gives Trump credit for Mexico's actions.

[pgardn]

It's where they came from originally

Its where WE all came from originally.

[ducks]

Send them 6 feet under


I bet if they did it would stop

Germany did and it stopped

[Winehole23]

Send them 6 feet undermoderation a la Wild Cobra

[ducks]

Its where WE all came from originally.

I came from my mom who did not kill me in her womb

[Winehole23]

just shoot em

[pgardn]

I came from my mom who did not kill me in her womb

No.

You came from a stork-duck avian mixing.
The horror of species cross breeding.
Then someone partially crushed the part of the egg your head was located.

[ducks]

I got part Indian in me 1-63 more then warren !

[pgardn]

I got part Indian in me 1-63 more then warren !

No.

You are all bird.
Brain.

[ducks]

Birds are smart
They fly south for the winter

[ducks]

Why should those people come to the USA and take jobs away from USA born people

[ducks]

People in USA have hardships also just not people overseas

[ducks]

Those people are acting like a mob
Willing to break laws

[pgardn]

Birds are smart
They fly south for the winter

Thats not smart in the Southern Hemisphere.

[monosylab1k]

Birds are smart
They fly south for the winter

If they’re so smart then why are they leaving America and FREEDOM?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1053466823180599296?s=20

Anyone that supports this shit is an idiot.

[Winehole23]

what's the big deal?

[Winehole23]

there's little chance Trump allows these folks in. at this point more immigrants get in by overstaying their visas than crossing the border without permission.

[Winehole23]

http://www.wola.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Apprehensions-graph-ENG.gif (https://www.wola.org/2016/10/wola-report-u-s-mexico-border-requires-evidence-based-humanitarian-solutions-not-border-walls/)

[Winehole23]

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/20180414_WOC240.png (https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail?page=8)

[Nathan89]

Get rid of anchor babies, fine the shit out of employers, stop giving them benefits, beef up border security, and set up a deal with an African country to receive illegals.

[Winehole23]

last time illegal immigration rates were this low was the early 1970s. the biggest spikes occurred under Reagan, GHWB and Clinton.

[ducks]

What kind of person thinks we need more people when we have homeless Veterans, women, children and not enough jobs/food/money for them? AMERICA AND AMERICANS COME FIRST.

[Winehole23]

Get rid of anchor babiesAmend the US Constitution.


fine the shit out of employersDetaining and deporting their employees isn't sufficient?


stop giving them benefitsTrump is making this a reality.


beef up border securityWaste of money. Illegal crossers go where the protection isn't. Also, more illegal immigrants get that way by overstaying their visas.


and set up a deal with an African country to receive illegals.:lol

[ducks]

If they are fleeing violence and poverty in Honduras and Guatemala why aren't they staying in Mexico? Why the USA?

[Winehole23]

What kind of person thinks we need more people when we have homeless Veterans, women, children and not enough jobs/food/money for them? AMERICA AND AMERICANS COME FIRST.Who's gonna pay for your Social Security and your Medicare?

The US is aging. We need more immigrants, not fewer.

[ducks]

So why have any security if it a waste of money
Criminals just go to the weakest point
Do you use security at home ? You bought locks what a waste of money someone can break that

[Winehole23]

If they are fleeing violence and poverty in Honduras and Guatemala why aren't they staying in Mexico? Why the USA?they must think it's great here for some reason

[ducks]

They must love the president !

[ducks]

Who's gonna pay for your Social Security and your Medicare?

The US is aging. We need more immigrants, not fewer.
I take care of myself I will not rely on that . I have a brain

[ducks]

It is my job to take of myself when I retire not the gov

[ducks]

they must think it's great here for some reason

They must think red wave coming

[Winehole23]

so welcome them to the fold.

[Nathan89]

Amend the US Constitution.

Detaining and deporting their employees isn't sufficient?

Trump is making this a reality.

Waste of money. Illegal crossers go where the protection isn't. Also, more illegal immigrants get that way by overstaying their visas.

:lol

That will be difficult with Dems running as fast as they can to ruin the country. #openborders

No, it not sufficient. If employers are knowingly hiring illegals the need suffer financial punishment. Let's incentivize people to illegally come to this country.

That's a wet dream consequence for illegals trying to come here. Plus I think that's would discourage a great deal of people from trying to come here.

[Winehole23]

No one advocates open borders.

Hell, Trump's predecessor deported way more people. Far more criminals, too.

[FrostKing]

"Borders" are a white man construct

[Winehole23]

I agree there's a problem that needs to be fixed.

We need to be set up to get more people in the system legally and give them a predictable path to work and citizenship.

[Winehole23]

You guys have got this problem exactly backwards.

We don't need more enforcement, we need a better system for bringing them in and mainstreaming them.

[Winehole23]

"Borders" are a white man constructYep.

[Winehole23]

Does there need to be enforcement? Absolutely yes.

[Nathan89]

Of course very little will be done. Most the anchor babies will eventually vote for the free shit party. Europe doesn't have anchor babies. That's the lefts blueprint yet for some reason they have yet to suggest coping that.

Really the US should split in two now. Half country can flood their country via open borders. That same half can attempt to provide everything to all those people. The other half can go in a better direction.

[Winehole23]

Looking at the issue exclusively as an enforcement problem is blinkered and self-limiting. Immigration is not all bad.

[Nathan89]

I agree there's a problem that needs to be fixed.

We need to be set up to get more people in the system legally and give them a predictable path to work and citizenship.

We already welcome a lot of people legally. Immigrants make up a large percentage of our country. Too much for my liking. Or if it's going to be be that high my standards would be higher.

[Winehole23]

Of course very little will be done. Most the anchor babies will eventually vote for the free shit party. Europe doesn't have anchor babies. That's the lefts blueprint yet for some reason they have yet to suggest coping that.

Really the US should split in two now. Half country can flood their country via open borders. That same half can attempt to provide everything to all those people. The other half can go in a better direction.Disunion Nathan.

We survived open borders until the 1890s. Had very little border enforcement per se until the 1940s and 1950s.

One might say that open borders policy is more distinctively American than not.

[Nathan89]

You guys have got this problem exactly backwards.

We don't need more enforcement, we need a better system for bringing them in and mainstreaming them.

You can't mainstream that many people that quickly.

[Winehole23]

You can't mainstream that many people that quickly.What are you assuming?

I didn't mention a number, and I didn't say who we were letting in.

[Nathan89]

Disunion Nathan.

We survived open borders until the 1890s. Had very little border enforcement per se until the 1940s and 1950s.

One might say that open borders policy is more distinctively American than not.

What worked and what will are two different things.

Open borders doesn't work with the free shit platform. And some are pushing for both.

And yes I'd love to split the country now.

[Winehole23]

People always claim immigrants will vote en bloc for Democrats, what support is there for this? (Although with all the fear and hostility the GOP whips up about foreigners, I can see why that might be a self-fulfilling prophecy today)

And why the dire paranoia about the action on the southern border?

Immigration to the USA is increasingly Chinese and South Asian.

[Winehole23]

And yes I'd love to split the country now.How would you like to split it up?

[Winehole23]

And what's so bad about immigration, while you're at it?

[Nathan89]

People always claim immigrants will vote en bloc for Democrats, what support is there for this? (Although with all the fear and hostility the GOP whips up about foreigners, I can see why that might be a self-fulfilling prophecy today)

And why the dire paranoia about the action on the southern border?

Immigration to the USA is increasingly Chinese and South Asian.

You mean the propaganda that conflates illegals with legals? The propaganda that pushes a racist narrative for not wanting illegals. And mainstream media that bend over backwards for a narrative that 1/1024 native American is in fact native American gets to push that nonsense on the public. "Self-fullfilling prophecy" at work.

And the voting Bloc isn't just recognition of the initial immigrant. Why ignore the obvious reality down the road?

Of course things could change in how they vote but even that becomes less likely with constant flow illegals and immigrants.

[Nathan89]

How would you like to split it up?

The entire east coast and a bunch of northeastern states plus a little should be Demolition Land. I could just see demolition land scrapping the entirety of the Constitution on day 1. Opening borders on day 2. 100% tax implemented on day 3. It would be beautiful watching the current major hubs of America crumble.

[Winehole23]

wow, you're really bent out of shape about this Elizabeth Warren thing.

thanks btw, for admitting your hypothesis that immigrants will eventually vote en bloc for Dems is completely speculative.

[Winehole23]

It would be beautiful watching the current major hubs of America crumble.that is really weird, man

[Winehole23]

what about the west coast, no animus against Cali?

every major city in Texas but Fort Worth is blue, would you build walls around them?

[Nathan89]

what about the west coast, no animus against Cali?

every major city in Texas but Fort Worth is blue, would you build walls around them?

Sorry I meant the entire west coast.

[Nathan89]

what about the west coast, no animus against Cali?

every major city in Texas but Fort Worth is blue, would you build walls around them?

No, if they don't want to live there they can go to Cali, Oregon, Washington, New York, and a number of other northeastern states.

[Nathan89]

wow, you're really bent out of shape about this Elizabeth Warren thing.

thanks btw, for admitting your hypothesis that immigrants will eventually vote en bloc for Dems is completely speculative.

No, just using recent example that displayed extreme bias.

[Nathan89]

that is really weird, man

I don't think so. It'd be quite entertaining watching a bunch of overconfident know-it-alls get what they want only for it to quickly crumble. I could just see silicon valley getting taxed to death and tech companies quickly fleeing Demolition Land. Same for numerous other companies. So as the rich flee they would simultaneously be taking in millions immigrants. All while ripping each other apart on social issues. Or it could play out differently but I don't expect a non-entertaining outcome.

[ElNono]

I concur that the whole notion of free shit party stuff is non-sense in the historical sense. Reagan was the last president not only to outright amnesty illegals, but also turn what would otherwise be illegal Cuban aliens into insta-citizens, and the GOP was handsomely rewarded for that with Cuban-American votes for quite a few generations, in swing states like Florida.

There's no doubt that the system is and has been broken to an extent for a while, and that properly securing your borders for natsec reasons, especially at this point in time, makes sense. But as Winehole pointed out, the issue is fixing that system, not the libearal boogieman, tbh

[ElNono]

Heck, if there's anything Latinos are largely known for is their absolute devotion for Christianity... Reagan was way ahead of his time in immigration politics, tbh...

[boutons_deux]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1053466823180599296?s=20

Anyone that supports this shit is an idiot.

Woods' head is up his ass, typical fact-free right wing asshole

USA has been shitting on, destabilizing Northern Triangle into dysfunctionality, failed states, for decades, as well as causing AGW that is destroying coffee, chocolate crops down there.

[DMX7]

Woods' head is up his ass, typical fact-free right wing asshole

USA has been shitting on, destabilizing Northern Triangle into dysfunctionality, failed states, for decades, as well as causing AGW that is destroying coffee, chocolate crops down there.

Democrats don't support open borders. Democrats oppose a wasteful $40B wall for many reasons including because people this determined to enter the US probably aren't going to be stopped by it unless you also planning to use armed force. The reality is that people deserve a right to at least claim asylum and have their application reviewed and then approved or denied. If they're denied, then they're deported, so it's as simple as that.

[Winehole23]

Sorry I meant the entire west coast.the destruction zones you refer to would have most of the population and productive power of the country and all of the major seaports except for New Orleans and Houston.

are you sure you've thought this through?

[Chucho]

What they really should do is build a wall of old tires on the border and set it on fire and keep it burning forever like the one in Springfield. Farrrrrr more effective than a stupid, scalable wall.

[Nathan89]

the destruction zones you refer to would have most of the population and productive power of the country and all of the major seaports except for New Orleans and Houston.

are you sure you've thought this through?

I've thought about seaports tbh. We'd need a deal to have access. But yes I've thought about it.

[Nathan89]

Sure there would be challenges. I've thought of that particular one already which could have many solutions. There are obviously many challenges I haven't even considered. Because I haven't thought of a very exhaustive list. That being said I like the upside of a split. The country is becoming extremely polarized. Remaining United doesn't make long term sense.

[Winehole23]

you don't think partition of the USA is too high a price to pay for your personal policy preferences?

[boutons_deux]

Disunion Nathan.

We survived open borders until the 1890s. Had very little border enforcement per se until the 1940s and 1950s.

One might say that open borders policy is more distinctively American than not.

false

the wealthy shut down immigration in early '20s.

the Tenement museum/Brooklyn and Ellis Island Museum are eye openers. (close-minded rightwing assholes, don't bother)

[Pavlov]

Most the anchor babies will eventually vote for the free shit party.Why did you support Bernie Sanders?

[Joseph Kony]

faggot republicans always wanna pretend they're prolife but shit like this proves otherwise :lol

[Winehole23]

false

the wealthy shut down immigration in early '20s.

the Tenement museum/Brooklyn and Ellis Island Museum are eye openers. (close-minded rightwing assholes, don't bother)sure, man. my post wasn't meant to be comprehensive, just a quick and dirty back of the napkin sketch.

it is true that the northern and southern borders of the US have been lightly policed -- if at all -- for most of our history.

[Nathan89]

faggot republicans always wanna pretend they're prolife but shit like this proves otherwise :lol

"Open borders now! Or you don't care about people.:madrun":lmao

[Isitjustme?]

http://www.wola.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Apprehensions-graph-ENG.gif (https://www.wola.org/2016/10/wola-report-u-s-mexico-border-requires-evidence-based-humanitarian-solutions-not-border-walls/)

This is about feelings not facts

[Isitjustme?]

And what's so bad about immigration, while you're at it?

Have you seen how brown these people are??

not sure if serious there winehole

[Nathan89]

False racist narrative.

[pgardn]

False racist narrative.

Not for Derp and Frostking.

[AaronY]

Cliffs:

https://pbs-h2.twimg.com/media/C8I_A1wUAAEHXSr.jpg

https://pbs-h2.twimg.com/media/C8I_A1wUAAEHXSr.jpg



https://pbs-h2.twimg.com/media/C8I_A1wUAAEHXSr.jpg

[Winehole23]

Have you seen how brown these people are??

not sure if serious there wineholeI get that concern trolling about immigration is a stalking horse for racism.

I just wanted to give Nathan89 a chance to explain it some other way. He seems content to presume immigration is exclusively a social ill without any explanation at all.

[benefactor]

I have a brain
:lol

[hater]

:lmao these americans are such pussies

:cry we are being invaded by women and children. Everyone run! :cry

Pussiest nation in history possibly :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

I would
off the top of my head, create a program;

1)You seek asylum
2) You get processed, background ck for crimes,gang affil,etc...
3) You qualify, we put you to work. 10 yr contract 12-15 pr hr. We use this as a force to clean our country, perform the labor work for infrastructure, make america spit-shiny clean and new. New roads,bridges,etc.
4) Percentage of your paycheck goes to your country of origin
5) After 10 years - you must return to your country for at least -5-6 years and try to make your life better
with your earned wages from here
6) You can apply to stay here - but must first return to your country for a set time until papers approved or you succeed at home of origin.
7) Only responsible birth control while you are here. If you can agree to BC for the 10 years you qualify.


Im sure a lot of that can be proven to fail but off the top of my head I would much rather put these people to work to beautify the USA instead of demonizing people who are fleeing in terror for their lives.
Smarter folks than I could think of a better program I'm sure.

The problem will not disappear by jailing babies, building walls, etc

It also will cause critics to immediately proclaim, "if you put them to work the entire world will come here!"

I agree , this is why the idea of a 10 year contract and a date of return to their country and a program to deduct pay to send home but only if that portion is used as a plan for their return home.
They will come regardless and will send earnings home regardless, I would just rather they contribute to their country so their country will appeal to them and they will long for and hopefully return there.
Some will want to stay and at least they will be screened productive law abiding workers as MOST of them already are.
This way racists will be able to sleep at night.

[koriwhat]

caravan you say? rpg that bitch and ain't no one going to not take us seriously anymore. collateral damage would be their fault in the end and not ours. too bad, too sad.

[Pavlov]

lol triple negative

[Spurs Homer]

caravan you say? rpg that bitch and ain't no one going to not take us seriously anymore. collateral damage would be their fault in the end and not ours. too bad, too sad.

Awesome!
why stop there?
next- you can get rid of all brown people- texans,

then old people
sick people

yay!

[DMC]

Why is it the responsibility of the US to deal with a horde of people in another country?

Pro-life has nothing to do with immigration, everything to do with birth.

So many false narratives and misguided talking points here that the real issue is almost impossible to discern.

[Spurs Homer]

Why is it the responsibility of the US to deal with a horde of people in another country?

Pro-life has nothing to do with immigration, everything to do with birth.

So many false narratives and misguided talking points here that the real issue is almost impossible to discern.

Fox news/trump made it an issue when they announced this “invasion!”

“help! Its brown killers charging the wall!”

[Nathan89]

Send your expendable income to Africa if you are desperate to help others. Flooding our country with illegals is unacceptable.

[DMC]

Fox news/trump made it an issue when they announced this “invasion!”

“help! Its brown killers charging the wall!”

So you watch Fox news now?

[koriwhat]

Awesome!
why stop there?
next- you can get rid of all brown people- texans,

then old people
sick people

yay!

too bad yall are such sticks in the mud and can't see sarcasm for what it is. i don't really want a bunch of people to die just because they are trying to get to this nation; i also don't care for them to be here because they aren't our problem and we aren't their solution but that's besides the point.

too bad you've bought into the far left talking points that try to peg all white men as racists scum. it's hilarious though.

[koriwhat]

lol triple negative

is this a grammar jab? yeah you're definitely a bitch for sure.

[koriwhat]

Fox news/trump made it an issue when they announced this “invasion!”

“help! Its brown killers charging the wall!”

it is an invasion; sorry to bust your bubble.

[Spurs Homer]

So you watch Fox news now?

24/7

[Winehole23]

Trump says "they're rioting now" in California over sanctuary cities.

it's a lie. nothing of the sort has happened.

[hater]

“Hardened criminals” :lmao

A bunch of women with fetuses hanging are hardened criminals :lmao

:lol Trump

[Winehole23]

IT'S AN INVASION

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqAH6TqU0AAdQXP.jpg

[Winehole23]

...IN REVERSE

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqAIIiHUUAU3-vy.jpg

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqAPwrcUUAAo7q9.jpg

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqAQCvNUcAEI9al.jpg

[Winehole23]

positive social and economic impact:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqCyuimVsAUJxFX.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqCzALTUUAE2-bc.jpg

[Winehole23]

the wave of low skilled immigration has basically collapsed:

https://gps.ucsd.edu/_files/faculty/hanson/hanson_publication_immigration_risefall.pdf

[Winehole23]

illegal immigration on the whole doesn't look like the caravan.

it looks like more a person who got permission to stay, study or travel from the from the proper authorities, and overstayed it.

[dabom]

lol triple negative

:lol

[Pavlov]

is this a grammar jab? yeah you're definitely a bitch for sure.lol you're such a sissy for getting this upset over your own error.

[Admissions Office]

:lol

Dear dabitch,

Your chumpette application has been rejected. You're not the useful faggot we're looking for. Please feel free to keep kissing chump's ass though.

[Pavlov]

Jesus Christ, derp.

[koriwhat]

lol you're such a sissy for getting this upset over your own error.

far from upset... have i really gotten so upset or are you hyperbole'n this bs once again? you think too much of yourself you egomaniac loser.

[Pavlov]

far from upset... have i really gotten so upset or are you hyperbole'n this bs once again? you think too much of yourself you egomaniac loser.lol you keep melting down, sissy.

[koriwhat]

lol you keep melting down, sissy.

boohoo pavTheFag

[Pavlov]

boohoo pavTheFaglol sissy. How can you live with yourself being such a a sissy. Best kill yourself now, sissy.

[FrostKing]

What's current status of Caravan? Is there an app yet

[koriwhat]

lol sissy. How can you live with yourself being such a a sissy. Best kill yourself now, sissy.

terrible job of trying to mock and troll me. you're such a beta bitch.

[koriwhat]

What's current status of Caravan? Is there an app yet

it's called Whatsapp and you can reach every one of those illegals through it.

[Pavlov]

terrible job of trying to mock and troll me. you're such a beta bitch.Quit whining, sissy. Get to killing yourself. It can't happen soon enough.

[koriwhat]

Quit whining, sissy. Get to killing yourself. It can't happen soon enough.

whining about what exactly pavTheFag? the make believe world you losers live in must be grand.

[Pavlov]

whining about what exactly pavTheFag? the make believe world you losers live in must be grand.You're whining about me, sissy. Kill yourself.

[koriwhat]

You're whining about me, sissy. Kill yourself.

who's whining? you playing make believe cracks me up.

[Pavlov]

who's whining?You, sissy. Quit asking stupid questions and kill yourself.

[DMC]

Winehole, looking at your charts it would seem you're suggesting that 4 year degreed individuals are cross the boarder illegally.

[FrostKing]

Meanwhile Polska importing Ukranians

Place the immigration game right

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/BigStick2013/status/1052554514052640768?s=20

[Pavlov]

Nathan collecting his tokens.

[Chris]

Nathan collecting his tokens.

Easy pickins these days. Lots of #walkaway happening :tu

[Pavlov]

Easy pickins these days. Lots of #walkaway happening :tuQuantify that claim, Chris.

Just how many blacks are walking away from the Democratic party?

10 million?

20 million?

Give a number.

[koriwhat]

You, sissy. Quit asking stupid questions and kill yourself.

:cry

[Nathan89]

"While on average Latin Americans are less selected than individuals from other regions, they are not negatively selected – that is, they don’t have lower levels of human capital than those left behind (see: Feliciano, 2005). Kaestner and Malamud (2010) used the Mexican Family Life Survey (MxFLS) to investigate this issue further. They found that, relative to stayers, Mexican migrants were positively selected in education and neutral with respect to cognitive ability (as measured by Raven’s matrices)."

https://humanvarieties.org/2014/06/25/u-s-ethnicrace-differences-in-aptitude-by-generation-an-exploratory-meta-analysis/

[Nathan89]

Quantify that claim, Chris.

Just how many blacks are walking away from the Democratic party?

10 million?

20 million?

Give a number.

There are only about 45mil total blacks in America many are kids, in jail, or don't vote. Those are unrealistic numbers. Tbf to your point I really don't think many are currently "walking away". You'll see a more vocal minority of them online going forward though. Will that eventually reach others? Perhaps, but I certainly wouldn't expect any impact this soon.

[Nathan89]

So basically Dems want free shit and open borders. So all people have to do is come to America and instantly get an upgraded life. Taxes will go through the roof to pay for everything for these people. That will end the current incentive for the best brains in the world to come here. All while incentivizing the those that won't contribute to come here.

Recipe for success.:shootme

[Winehole23]

Winehole, looking at your charts it would seem you're suggesting that 4 year degreed individuals are cross the boarder illegally.overstayed visas.

[Pavlov]

There are only about 45mil total blacks in America many are kids, in jail, or don't vote. Those are unrealistic numbers. Tbf to your point I really don't think many are currently "walking away". You'll see a more vocal minority of them online going forward though. Will that eventually reach others? Perhaps, but I certainly wouldn't expect any impact this soon.Til then you will be using your tokens at every opportunity.

Did you do the same when you were a Bernie supporter?

[Pavlov]

So basically Dems want free shit and open borders. So all people have to do is come to America and instantly get an upgraded life. Taxes will go through the roof to pay for everything for these people. That will end the current incentive for the best brains in the world to come here. All while incentivizing the those that won't contribute to come here.

Recipe for success.:shootmeWhat did you want when you supported Bernie?

[FrostKing]

Hi

[Spurtacular]

Quit whining, sissy. Get to killing yourself. It can't happen soon enough.

:lmao Sociopath Chump might more accurately be Psychopath Chump.

[Pavlov]

:lmao Sociopath Chump might more accurately be Psychopath Chump.lol derp, as usual you don't understand anything.

[Spurtacular]

lol derp, as usual you don't understand anything.

Do you have remorse about telling someone to kill himself?

Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

Do you have remorse about telling someone to kill himself?

Yes or no.As I was imitating the guy who wishes death on posters daily, no.

Pretty simple.

lol poor derp

[koriwhat]

As I was imitating the guy who wishes death on posters daily, no.

Pretty simple.

lol poor derp

daily huh? prove it pavTheFag. you can't. you're such a queer.

[Spurtacular]

As I was imitating the guy who wishes death on posters daily, no.

Pretty simple.

lol poor derp

Hmm. You're not a making a very strong case for yourself, tbh.

[Pavlov]

daily huh? prove it pavTheFag. you can't. you're such a queer.Ok, I'll amend my statement to read "often." Does that help you out, snowflake?


Hmm. You're not a making a very strong case for yourself, tbh.To you?

:lmao derp

[koriwhat]

Ok, I'll amend my statement to read "often"

i'll not amend my statement that you're a fucking retard queer.

[Pavlov]

i'll not amend my statement that you're a fucking retard queer.lol sissy

[koriwhat]

lol sissy

lol retard queer

[Pavlov]

lol retard queerlol no ur gay, sissy

[koriwhat]

lol no ur gay, sissy

ZzZzZz...

[Pavlov]

ZzZzZz...Exactly!

lol kori

[DarrinS]

These immature slap fights really make this forum worth visiting

[Pavlov]

These immature slap fights really make this forum worth visitingAw, Darrin's upset.

We live for your absolute lack of thinking and rote bot-posting here.

[dabom]

Jesus Christ, derp.

Now this guy does have a compulsive disorder. :lol

[FrostKing]

https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02711/merkel_2711940b.jpg

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1054111630106247169?s=20

This will improve the US.:rolleyes

[Nathan89]

Goal 1: have a bunch of anchor babies that I can't afford.

[Nathan89]

Surely importing these people from developing countries to US is going to effectively combat global warming.:lol

Meanwhile let's ban straws:lmao

[FrostKing]

I'm voting Caravan

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1054111630106247169?s=20

This will improve the US.:rolleyes:lmao most of them don't even try to enter the US.

What made you switch from Bernie supporter to JamesWoodsBot?

[Spurtacular]

To you?

:lmao derp

You go around telling people to kill themselves and feel no remorse. That leans towards psychopath. Laughing like a nut job is not a credible argument.

[Pavlov]

You go around telling people to kill themselves and feel no remorse. That leans towards psychopath. Laughing like a nut job is not a credible argument.So you think koirwhat is more of a psychopath than anyone on this board?

lol OK, derp.

[Spurtacular]

So you think koirwhat is more of a psychopath than anyone on this board?

lol OK, derp.

He may have issues. What does this have to do with you?

[Spurminator]

https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/54cbf5170a5930502f5e5eb1/master/w_690,c_limit/image.gif

[Pavlov]

He may have issues. What does this have to do with you?He's wished more death than anyone on the board. Yet you've never brought it up.

[Spurtacular]

He's wished more death than anyone on the board. Yet you've never brought it up.

Because I know you'll be quite critical of him. There's no need for me to pile on.

So, you think it's okay to encourage suicide because another person is unstable.

[Pavlov]

Because I know you'll be quite critical of him. There's no need for me to pile on.

So, you think it's okay to encourage suicide because another person is unstable.You think koriwhat is unstable?

[Spurtacular]

You think koriwhat is unstable?

I think you think that.

[Pavlov]

I think you think that.Do you koriwhat is unstable, derp?


Yes or no.

[Spurtacular]

Do you koriwhat is unstable, derp?


Yes or no.

I think he is prone to outbursts.

Do you think he is stable?

[Pavlov]

I think he is prone to outbursts.Do you koriwhat is unstable, derp?


Yes or no.

[Spurtacular]

Do you koriwhat is unstable, derp?


Yes or no.

I don't spend a lot of time talking to him like you do

Do you think he is unstable?

Yes or no.

[FrostKing]

Fuck off, we're full

[Pavlov]

I don't spend a lot of time talking to him like you doYou brought up instability.

Do you koriwhat is unstable, derp?


Yes or no.

[Spurs Homer]

Snowflakes terrified of the caravan!

[Spurtacular]

You brought up instability.

Do you koriwhat is unstable, derp?


Yes or no.

And I qualified that I believe that is how you see him. I do not have an opinion on his stability.

Do you think he is stable?

Yes or no.

[boutons_deux]

Thousands in U.S.-bound migrant caravan pour into Mexican citY


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-caravan/thousands-in-u-s-bound-migrant-caravan-pour-into-mexican-city-idUSKCN1MV0RG?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29

[Pavlov]

I do not have an opinion on his stability.Great.

Why are you whining, then?

No reason for it if you have no opinion about his stability.

[Nathan89]

So basically Dems want free shit and open borders. So all people have to do is come to America and instantly get an upgraded life. Taxes will go through the roof to pay for everything for these people. That will end the current incentive for the best brains in the world to come here. All while incentivizing the those that won't contribute to come here.

Recipe for success.:shootme

Snowflake thinking.

[Spurtacular]

Great.

Why are you whining, then?

No reason for it if you have no opinion about his stability.

I was regarding him from your perceived outlook. Now, do you believe he is stable?

Yes or no.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/BigStick2013/status/1052554514052640768?s=20

Another snowflake.

[Winehole23]

I was regarding him from your perceived outlook. Now, do you believe he is stable?

Yes or no.I WAS READING YOUR MIND.

ANSWER ME!

[Pavlov]

I was regarding him from your perceived outlook.But not yours.

You don't care about him one way or the other but you think him prone to outbursts, which apparently is a sign of instability to you.

lol derp

[Spurtacular]

I WAS READING YOUR MIND.

ANSWER ME!

Apparently, you're triggered or craving attention.

[Spurtacular]

But not yours.

You don't care about him one way or the other but you think him prone to outbursts, which apparently is a sign of instability to you.

lol derp

He is prone to outbursts. But if you're asking me to qualify that he is very unstable, that is not a designation I can fairly make from my p.o.v. Now, do you think he is unstable? Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

He is prone to outbursts. But if you're asking me to qualify that he is very unstable, that is not a designation I can fairly make from my p.o.v.I never asked you if you thought he was "very" unstable.

Jesus, you have to lie about everything.

[Spurtacular]

I never asked you if you thought he was "very" unstable.

Jesus, you have to lie about everything.

Now, you're just doing semantics. Either way, I've made it clear that I cannot designate him as unstable.

Do you think he is unstable?

Yes or no. Stop stalling.

[Winehole23]

Apparently, you're triggered or craving attention.I was mocking you.

No reply is necessary, it's its own reward.

[Pavlov]

Now, you're just doing semantics.Nope. You at once lied about what I said and admitted you think koriwhat is unstable.

lol derp

[Pavlov]

Apparently, you're triggered or craving attention.Oh shit, that is rich coming from you.

[Spurtacular]

I was mocking you.

No reply is necessary, it's its own reward.

You were lashing out in an instance that didn't involve you. You're mocking yourself.

[Spurtacular]

Nope. You at once lied about what I said and admitted you think koriwhat is unstable.

lol derp

I have clarified my answer; but if you're going to have your sociopath truth, then that is standard.

Do you think koriwhat is unstable?

Yes or no.

[Winehole23]

It's an open forum, DM Pavlov if you want to have a private convo.

If you say silly shit in the town square, you shouldn't whine when people laugh..

[Spurtacular]

It's an open forum, DM Pavlov if you want to have a private convo.

If you say silly shit in the town square, you shouldn't whine when people laugh..

No whining. You got your attention. Anything else?

[Winehole23]

I'm sorry, were you still talking?

[Pavlov]

I have clarified my answer; but if you're going to have your sociopath truth, then that is standard.

Do you think koriwhat is unstable?

Yes or no.lol no

He's incredibly angry but all talk.

But you're white knighting for him because you, in fact, think he's unstable.

lol

[Winehole23]

policing civility and chiding you for your lack of compassion :rollin

[FrostKing]

Snowflakes terrified of the caravan!
The Wall just got longer

[Spurtacular]

I'm sorry, were you still talking?

Cuck blake level responses won't get you anywhere, son.

[Spurtacular]

lol no

He's incredibly angry but all talk.

But you're white knighting for him because you, in fact, think he's unstable.

lol

Okay, so do you think he is unstable?

Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

Okay, so do you think he is unstable?

Yes or no.:lmao you quoted my answer, idiot.

Jesus, derp.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao you quoted my answer, idiot.

Jesus, derp.

You weren't being clear; par.

You wanted to call him unstable; but then you realized how poorly it would reflect on you to tell an unstable person to kill himself. So, you grudgingly admit that he is stable. :lmao

[Pavlov]

You weren't being clear; par.What part of "no" did you not understand?

Be specific, derp.

Your attempted narrative is cute, but you're the one who has declared him to be unstable.

lol

[Spurtacular]

What part of "no" did you not understand?

Be specific, derp.

Your attempted narrative is cute, but you're the one who has declared him to be unstable.

lol

You put a no into garble. Was I to assume that it was an answer to a question or just a part of your garbled speech after the thirteenth time I've asked the question? Either way, this is of no consequence at this point.

I've given an answer that I cannot declare him unstable; not shockingly, you have your own sociopath truth.

[Pavlov]

You put a no into garble.lol no

[Spurtacular]

lol no

You tapped out. Got it.

[Pavlov]

You tapped out. Got it.lol no.

That's exactly what I posted to answer your question, dumbass.

You are seriously unstable.

[Spurtacular]

lol no.

That's exactly what I posted to answer your question, dumbass.

You are seriously unstable.

:lmao Now, you're calling me unstable. I guess you can compulsively do that b/c you haven't told me to kill myself.

[TDMVPDPOY]

start building that wall and have sentries guarding the fence..

[Winehole23]

like slamming the door shut after the horses got in the barn.

the southern border of the US is no longer the main point of entry. the so-called invasion is a mirage.
.
the rate of illegal immigration is comparable to the early 1970s. the big spikes were between 1980 and the mid 2000s.

most illegal immigrants now come on travel and student visas and don't leave.

[Winehole23]

in the last ten years, a million Mexicans on balance have gone back to Mexico. the flow reversed.

[Nathan89]

The wall isn't even necessary. You can discourage illegal immigration in many different ways. Getting rid of anchor babies and punishing employers severely would be great first steps.

[Nathan89]

Less illegal immigration than the past isn't a sound argument. The issue can still be a problem.

[Winehole23]

If Trump would enforce existing law, employers could be punished.

To get rid of "anchor babies" (native born citizens in common parlance) you'd have to amend the US Constitution or get SCOTUS to overturn a century and a half of settled precedent.

[Winehole23]

Less illegal immigration than the past isn't a sound argument. The issue can still be a problem.how is it a problem?

[Winehole23]

most illegal immigrants now come on travel and student visas and don't leave.they come on planes, with valid permission from the US government

[Pavlov]

:lmao Now, you're calling me unstable. I guess you can compulsively do that b/c you haven't told me to kill myself.Kill yourself.

lol derp

[Winehole23]

Less illegal immigration than the past isn't a sound argument. The issue can still be a problem.thanks for admitting it isn't a crisis.

we're nowhere near record numbers of illegal immigrants or apprehensions.

[Nathan89]

"The U.S. government and most groups put the number of undocumented immigrants at around 11 million to 12 million, but researchers from Yale and MIT give a “conservative” number of 16. 7 million in 2016 and an average of 22 million, according to Yale Insights (https://insights.som.yale.edu/about-yale-insights)."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/number-of-illegal-immigrants-in-us-may-be-twice-whats-reported-yale-mit-study

[Nathan89]

No, immigration numbers are skeptical as you can see. I can grant a premise of yours for the sake of conversation though.

[Spurtacular]

Kill yourself.

lol derp

:lol And what is your excuse for encouraging suicide now?

[Winehole23]

have a look at the graphs I posted upstream and look at the trends, Nathan89.

the Reagan amnesty was the single biggest spike.

[Nathan89]

If Trump would enforce existing law, employers could be punished.

To get rid of "anchor babies" (native born citizens in common parlance) you'd have to amend the US Constitution or get SCOTUS to overturn a century and a half of settled precedent.

I'm aware of the difficulty of it. That's not relevant to the fact that it needs to be done.

[Winehole23]

with total disrespect and derision to your opinion, I disagree.

not only does it not need to be done, we'd all be worse off for it.

[Winehole23]

and you're sort of an idiot for thinking so.

[Pavlov]

"The U.S. government and most groups put the number of undocumented immigrants at around 11 million to 12 million, but researchers from Yale and MIT give a “conservative” number of 16. 7 million in 2016 and an average of 22 million, according to Yale Insights (https://insights.som.yale.edu/about-yale-insights)."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/number-of-illegal-immigrants-in-us-may-be-twice-whats-reported-yale-mit-studySo illegal immigrants commit much less crime and cost much less in government spending than anyone ever thought.

Wow.

We should be getting more illegals in that case. What a bargain!

[Pavlov]

:lol And what is your excuse for encouraging suicide now?Who needs an excuse?

You're unstable.

Also, kill yourself.

[Nathan89]

how is it a problem?

https://humanvarieties.org/2014/06/25/u-s-ethnicrace-differences-in-aptitude-by-generation-an-exploratory-meta-analysis/

[Spurtacular]

Who needs an excuse?

You're unstable.

Also, kill yourself.

:lol Who needs an excuse when you're a psychopath. How true.
:lol That you're spinning out of control and not trying to mask that.

[Pavlov]

:lol Who needs an excuse when you're a psychopath. How true.
:lol That you're spinning out of control and not trying to mask that.Are you saying I'm unstable?

Yes or no.

[Winehole23]

https://humanvarieties.org/2014/06/25/u-s-ethnicrace-differences-in-aptitude-by-generation-an-exploratory-meta-analysis/so, no concrete studies about the actual impact of immigration in the USA but instead an abstract analysis of group differences based on IQ?

what horseshit. why should anyone care and what does that have to do with immigration trends? the present and future of immigration to the US is from Asia.

[Pavlov]

https://humanvarieties.org/2014/06/25/u-s-ethnicrace-differences-in-aptitude-by-generation-an-exploratory-meta-analysis/Ethnic/Race Differences in Aptitude by Generation in the United States: An Exploratory Meta-analysis


By Chuck

:lmao

[Winehole23]

so, I put it to you again, how are past and present trends of immigration a problem?

in your own words, if you're capable of that.

[Winehole23]

Ethnic/Race Differences in Aptitude by Generation in the United States: An Exploratory Meta-analysis


By Chuck

:lmaomissed that :rollin

[Winehole23]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Fuerst

[Winehole23]

neat stuff, Nathan, how'd you find out about Chuck?

[Nathan89]

"As further evidence, Richwine cites a review of 39 studies by the Clemson psychologist Philip Roth and colleagues that reports that Hispanic-American IQs average 89.2 points (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1744-6570.2001.tb00094.x/abstract). Richwine also reviews research suggesting that second-generation average Hispanic-American IQs and incomes do increase, but that there is not much of an increase in either over subsequent generations."

https://reason.com/archives/2013/05/17/are-hispanics-too-stupid-to-become-ameri

[Winehole23]

"As further evidence, Richwine cites a review of 39 studies by the Clemson psychologist Philip Roth and colleagues that reports that Hispanic-American IQs average 89.2 points (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1744-6570.2001.tb00094.x/abstract). Richwine also reviews research suggesting that second-generation average Hispanic-American IQs and incomes do increase, but that there is not much of an increase in either over subsequent generations."

https://reason.com/archives/2013/05/17/are-hispanics-too-stupid-to-become-ameriHispanics are too stupid to become Americans.

Neat hypothesis.

Do you live in San Antonio, by any chance?

[Nathan89]

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

Here is some sat scores.

[Winehole23]

you should come to the next GTG

[Winehole23]

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

Here is some sat scores.what's the correlation between an SAT score and a good citizen?

[Pavlov]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Fuerst:rollin "Chuck"

[Winehole23]

sounds kind of elitist to me

[Winehole23]

so, what do you think about all the Asian immigrants?