Giving up contract year Danny Green was a very very stupid thing to do

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He has been on fire so far. Spurs desperately could have used him.

[phxspurfan]

He has been on fire so far. Spurs desperately could have used him.

Is it too early to start the Blame Tony Blame Game party?

[BillMc]

Who knows if RC had any choice. Kawhi had put the Spurs in a bad position.

[Immortal Spur]

dam man. raptors look good. looks like we'll get our pick this year.

[212094ever]

Fucking fleeced.

[Fusternino]

Should've been Mills instead of Green and we needed to get in addition to Poeltl and the pick one of OG and Siakam if not both.

Complete fleece. Gave them $5M to help with the tax payment due to Kawhi's 15% trade kicker, too.

[BatManu20]

We knew we got robbed when they goth both Kawhi and Danny and his cheap contract and we didn’t get either OG or Siakam.

But Danny’s contract was key to the trade bc it made the numbers work salary-wise IIRC.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Who knows if RC had any choice. Kawhi had put the Spurs in a bad position.

Yeah true and I know they had to make salaries match. Still early days but god damn does Danny look amazing

And Kawhi too :(

[ceperez]

Depressing... really depressing! Green and Leonard showing the Raptors how it's done in crunch time.

Also, somehow Ibaka is back to his old OKC form. This team is scary defensively!

[daslicer]

Should've been Mills instead of Green and we needed to get in addition to Poeltl and the pick one of OG and Siakam if not both.

Complete fleece. Gave them $5M to help with the tax payment due to Kawhi's 15% trade kicker, too.

Enough of the bitching the Spurs had zero leverage with them. None whatsoever with Kawhi scaring off every team in the league with his demands to go to LA.

[Fusternino]

Enough of the bitching the Spurs had zero leverage with them. None whatsoever with Kawhi scaring off every team in the league with his demands to go to LA.

I know. However, the Raps were already shopping DDR. That needed to get used to also destroy their own trade leverage.

[SpursGenius]

Pop didn’t wanna give up Mills. He wanted his ass licked every night. Patty obliged.

[ceperez]

Raptors have all the assets that I had hoped the Spurs would get after Duncan.

They got a mobile shot blocking big in Ibaka.
A top notch point guard in Lowry with a pretty good backup in Van Vleet.
Green and Leonard - really the two guys who anchored the Spurs elite defense.
Two long, athletic and young guys - Siakam and Anouby

It's depressing to watch!

[daslicer]

I know. However, the Raps were already shopping DDR. That needed to get used to also destroy their own trade leverage.

They were not going to take on a shitty contract on Mills knowing that there is a huge possibility that Kawhi bails on them next summer. What benefit would have been to them to take on Mills big contract which had 3 years left on the books? Spurs were put in a position where they couldn't win. Taking DDR was the best they could get to mitigate the damage. It's what is. Green and both Kawhi will bail on the Raptors next summer and this trade will end up looking better.

[K...]

tbf, if walker would be healthy no one would care. It's the patty mills shooting guard that got ya down....

[Fusternino]

They were not going to take on a shitty contract on Mills knowing that there is a huge possibility that Kawhi bails on them next summer. What benefit would have been to them to take on Mills big contract which had 3 years left on the books? Spurs were put in a position where they couldn't win. Taking DDR was the best they could get to mitigate the damage. It's what is. Green and both Kawhi will bail on the Raptors next summer and this trade will end up looking better.

I still think fair value could've been had from the Clippers while still maintaining integrity by sending him to the wasteland LA team over the Lakers. I think the leaks about West wanting to do anything to get Kawhi were true. The Raptors deal was at least the 2nd best we were offered. Lakers/Celtics/76ers all gave joke offers. Still, Kawhi/Mills for Harris/Harrell S&T/12&13 picks/future first (2021?) would've been a much better deal.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs had no chance to get a great trade and they managed to get a pretty good one. Pushed Kawhi into the other conference and got a top scoring guard. Everything was Leonard's fault, nothing the Spurs FO could really do.

[phxspurfan]

I still think fair value could've been had from the Clippers while still maintaining integrity by sending him to the wasteland LA team over the Lakers. I think the leaks about West wanting to do anything to get Kawhi were true. The Raptors deal was at least the 2nd best we were offered. Lakers/Celtics/76ers all gave joke offers. Still, Kawhi/Mills for Harris/Harrell S&T/12&13 picks/future first (2021?) would've been a much better deal.

no way we were offered 3 1sts. And no one would take Mills or Gasol's shitty deals. That's front office suicide.

[BillMc]

Spurs had no chance to get a great trade and they managed to get a pretty good one. Pushed Kawhi into the other conference and got a top scoring guard. Everything was Leonard's fault, nothing the Spurs FO could really do.

This

[Fusternino]

no way we were offered 3 1sts. And no one would take Mills or Gasol's shitty deals. That's front office suicide.

RC didn't even try. So we'll never know . . .

[daslicer]

I still think fair value could've been had from the Clippers while still maintaining integrity by sending him to the wasteland LA team over the Lakers. I think the leaks about West wanting to do anything to get Kawhi were true. The Raptors deal was at least the 2nd best we were offered. Lakers/Celtics/76ers all gave joke offers. Still, Kawhi/Mills for Harris/Harrell S&T/12&13 picks/future first (2021?) would've been a much better deal.

If the Spurs got that type of deal with the Clippers it would have still been a shit deal. Spurs would be basically the same team they were last year which is Lamarcus and a bunch of role players. Green having a career year with the Spurs would be pretty much meaningless in that scenario. Also you can't guarantee any of those draft picks would have resulted in a star.

[SAGirl]

Pop didn’t wanna give up Mills. He wanted his ass licked every night. Patty obliged.
The image is disgusting... but have to give you props for attempting humor.

Think there’s a few trolls that have lost their sense of humor once their prior schticks moved on elsewhere...

[SAGirl]

Raptors have all the assets that I had hoped the Spurs would get after Duncan.

They got a mobile shot blocking big in Ibaka.
A top notch point guard in Lowry with a pretty good backup in Van Vleet.
Green and Leonard - really the two guys who anchored the Spurs elite defense.
Two long, athletic and young guys - Siakam and Anouby

It's depressing to watch!
Sad times. It was bad enough to move Kawhi but the wing stop duo... :cry

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs had no chance to get a great trade and they managed to get a pretty good one. Pushed Kawhi into the other conference and got a top scoring guard. Everything was Leonard's fault, nothing the Spurs FO could really do.

:lmao You still in the denial stage of grief.

[SAGirl]

Spurs had no chance to get a great trade and they managed to get a pretty good one. Pushed Kawhi into the other conference and got a top scoring guard. Everything was Leonard's fault, nothing the Spurs FO could really do.
That’s true. Hurts that they sent Danny too considering the Paddy/Apocalypse duo.

Agree with K... above tho. Had Murray been healthy together with White and Walker I’d feel a lot better about the team. Injuries sucks

[ernest787]

some of you need to stop lurking your ex's IG account.

Be stoked on what we have now.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

some of you need to stop lurking your ex's IG account.

Be stoked on what we have now.

It’s like going from a Ferrari to a Honda

[cjw]

some of you need to stop lurking your ex's IG account.

Be stoked on what we have now.

Or better yet? Cheer for him and Green to beat evil Ainge’s Celtics constricted off of Billy King’s stupidity

[Hoops Czar]

It’s like going from a Ferrari to a Honda
Green hasn't been a Ferrari since 2014.

[slick'81]

We got screwed and we need to move on from the whole fiasco.its bad enough we got a protected pick and the player they didnt want in poodle but we gave away green and paid for it

[ducks]

Raptors needed two people that have ring expierence

[Leetonidas]

He's been pretty shitty since 2015. Would have preferred to keep him over mills but he's not a big loss. His % will come back down. We watched him play for a long time, he's not magically going to be some better player now. It looks worse trading him in hindsight with all the injuries but literally two weeks ago everyone was bitching we had too many guards.

[Stump]

I think the Raptors insisted on Green because their primary objective is to make Kawhi comfortable enough to re-sign in Toronto and Green is his best friend on the Spurs. Swapping Mills doesn't replace that.

[slick'81]

I think the Raptors insisted on Green because their primary objective is to make Kawhi comfortable enough to re-sign in Toronto and Green is his best friend on the Spurs. Swapping Mills doesn't replace that.

They also wanted expiring in case kawhi bolts.no way they were taking on mills for 3+ seasons

[itzsoweezee]

That's what I was most pissed about at the time of the trade. Not only did they not get rid of Patty, the traded away Danny and his expiring contract. Completely fleeced.

Just a horrible job by the front office the last 3 years. This team is fucked for a long time

[slick'81]

That's what I was most pissed about at the time of the trade. Not only did they not get rid of Patty, the traded away Danny and his expiring contract. Completely fleeced.

Just a horrible job by the front office the last 3 years. This team is fucked for a long time

tbh derozan could workout but poodle is still meh and we got a bs late first!?

[daslicer]

That's what I was most pissed about at the time of the trade. Not only did they not get rid of Patty, the traded away Danny and his expiring contract. Completely fleeced.

Just a horrible job by the front office the last 3 years. This team is fucked for a long time

Raptors were never going to do a trade with Mills being involved. Green and Kawhi will not end up being in Raptor jerseys a year from now so in the end the Raptors will be the ones who lost the trade. Spurs are not fucked at all. They are just not a title contender but will be a playoff team the next few years. It's not the end of the world. A lot of you guys are suffering from PMS based on the Raptors win against the Celtics.

[Chinook]

I'm okay with giving up Green, ESPECIALLY considering that Walker had fallen to them. Provided health works out, I have little doubt that Lonnie will be better than Danny ever was, and if you know my rep on this board, that I saying a ton. But not getting better incentive but Poeltl and a protected first hurts. I really like DeRozan as a piece, but the gap between him and Kawhi is immense. They needed OG or at least Siakam and for that pick to be less protected and have a chance to convey past this season. They were apparently close to giving up the pick instead of receiving it, so I guess that it could be worse, but they got screwed on Danny's value. He's worth Poeltl or Siakam by himself, and he was treated as a throw-in.

[Chinook]

What does suck, though, is that I think Pop was going to try to trade Green this summer no matter what. He was always going out in a Leonard deal, and had Kawhi stayed, Pop was likely to send Green out for DeRozan or Walker or whomever anyway. I don't like the tone-deafness it shows to jettison Danny after locking in Patty and Pau and while getting ready to keep Bryn. It's even worse considering Green was hurt most of last year and was primed for a contract year. But whatever. Hopefully Lonnie becomes great and covers up any perceived mistakes.

[Immortal Spur]

when Danny hits threes, he's top oh his class in the 3 and D department. He just didn't hit crap for like 3 years. Law of averages, change of environment, contract year etc... recipe for explosion... sucks tho but it is what it is. Kawhi wanted out. and tho DD isn't what Kawhi is, he's still damned good and the passing and playmaking gets us closer to how we all want to play basketball here. Just sucks to lose a top 3 player...

[Hoops Czar]

What does suck, though, is that I think Pop was going to try to trade Green this summer no matter what. He was always going out in a Leonard deal, and had Kawhi stayed, Pop was likely to send Green out for DeRozan or Walker or whomever anyway. I don't like the tone-deafness it shows to jettison Danny after locking in Patty and Pau and while getting ready to keep Bryn. It's even worse considering Green was hurt most of last year and was primed for a contract year. But whatever. Hopefully Lonnie becomes great and covers up any perceived mistakes.

I get that you're a Green homer but Charlotte and Toronto would have laughed Pop off the phone if he tried to trade Green for DeRozen or Walker and that's putting it politely. The Spurs tried to trade Green to Cleveland and they couldn't even land a scrub to be named later.

[Mr. Body]

:lmao You still in the denial stage of grief.

You're a fucking moron.

[Hoops Czar]

You're a fucking moron.
You're a fucking homer.

[Chinook]

I get that you're a Green homer but Charlotte and Toronto would have laughed Pop off the phone if he tried to trade Green for DeRozen or Walker and that's putting it politely. The Spurs tried to trade Green to Cleveland and they couldn't even land a scrub to be named later.

Spurs tried to trade Green in an Irving deal, along with Aldridge (who would have gone to a third team for the pick the Cavs wanted). Anyways, there's a big difference between being part of a package for a player and the main value. Green was not getting Walker or DeRozan by himself. However, PATFO apparently had a deal for one or the other that didn't involve Kawhi (or presumably Aldridge), and that deal almost certainly involved Danny and his decent value combined with his expiring status.

[Keepin' it real]

That's what I was most pissed about at the time of the trade. Not only did they not get rid of Patty, the traded away Danny and his expiring contract. Completely fleeced.

Just a horrible job by the front office the last 3 years. This team is fucked for a long time

Huh? They're on pace to finish 82-0.

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs tried to trade Green in an Irving deal, along with Aldridge (who would have gone to a third team for the pick the Cavs wanted). Anyways, there's a big difference between being part of a package for a player and the main value. Green was not getting Walker or DeRozan by himself. However, PATFO apparently had a deal for one or the other that didn't involve Kawhi (or presumably Aldridge), and that deal almost certainly involved Danny and his decent value combined with his expiring status.

Irving didn't request a trade until weeks after the draft. They were shopping Aldridge and Green on draft day but not neccessarily together. Cleveland was one of the teams they were talking to but it was not for Irving. And if there was a deal on the table, what happened?

[TheGreatYacht]

As soon as I read the Woj tweet at 3 in the morning that the trade was going down, i knew 100% Drunkford would get fleeced.

[Mr. Body]

You're a fucking homer.

:blah

[SAGirl]

I'm okay with giving up Green, ESPECIALLY considering that Walker had fallen to them. Provided health works out, I have little doubt that Lonnie will be better than Danny ever was, and if you know my rep on this board, that I saying a ton. But not getting better incentive but Poeltl and a protected first hurts. I really like DeRozan as a piece, but the gap between him and Kawhi is immense. They needed OG or at least Siakam and for that pick to be less protected and have a chance to convey past this season. They were apparently close to giving up the pick instead of receiving it, so I guess that it could be worse, but they got screwed on Danny's value. He's worth Poeltl or Siakam by himself, and he was treated as a throw-in.


What does suck, though, is that I think Pop was going to try to trade Green this summer no matter what. He was always going out in a Leonard deal, and had Kawhi stayed, Pop was likely to send Green out for DeRozan or Walker or whomever anyway. I don't like the tone-deafness it shows to jettison Danny after locking in Patty and Pau and while getting ready to keep Bryn. It's even worse considering Green was hurt most of last year and was primed for a contract year. But whatever. Hopefully Lonnie becomes great and covers up any perceived mistakes.

Both good points. I agree though that Spurs had explored Danny trades. He legitimately started struggling offensively once Lamarcus was signed and the offense changed and took him a long time to adjust.

Then last season him playing with a torn groin he looked awful at times. Just looked past his prime at times. He still had his LDN games but they were few and far between and not found at all close to the playoffs, which actually concurs with that torn groin worsening. He had changed his agent and IMO legitimately looked at the market before opting in after deciding it was going to be a tough market for him. He was at a low point in his career. I am glad for him getting his old reputation and game back. I just can’t wish the guy ill.

Should he start looking past his prime again, basically regress in the future from a good strong start, at least we know Spurs got his best seasons.

[Hoops Czar]

:blah

:donkey

[testies]

RC cola sACK OF SHIT MOTHERFUCKER

DESTROTING THE SPURS YET AGAIN

[Chinook]

Irving didn't request a trade until weeks after the draft.

The Cavs tried to trade Irving first.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cavs-reportedly-tried-to-trade-kyrie-irving-before-he-asked-out-of-cleveland/


They were shopping Aldridge and Green on draft day but not neccessarily together. Cleveland was one of the teams they were talking to but it was not for Irving.

The plan on CLE's part was to move Irving for Bledsoe and the fourth-overall pick, then move that pick and filler to Indy for PG. The Spurs tried to trade Aldridge to Phoenix for the same pick and Green and the pick to Cleveland. The Suns balked at such a high price for Aldridge, and the Spurs backed away from doing any deal involving him once the Cavs made it clear they weren't trading Irving to SA. The Spurs may also have had contingent trades for a Paul signing, which we know didn't happen.

So anyways, yes, the Spurs weren't going to dump Green (or Aldridge) for nothing. They really wanted to get a superstar to put next to Leonard and tried to make that happen. When that failed, the Spurs backed off trade talks altogether and instead worked on patching things up with Aldridge. Unlike with Kawhi, Aldridge was willing to be talked down, so the team never got forced to trade him for whatever they could get.


And if there was a deal on the table, what happened?

I'm taking this to apply to this year rather than last. PATFO told Kawhi they had a deal for a star on the table, and if Leonard committed, they'd pull the trigger and (in their belief), because a real powerhouse that would win the West/title. Leonard balked. David Aldridge suspected that trade was for Kemba Walker. I believe it was for DeRozan given the smoke coming out from Toronto about being willing to trade any of their players for a top-10 pick. I'm thinking the deal was DeMar would have been something like Green, Gasol, 18 and a future pick for DeRozan. For Walker, it would have been Green, Murray and 18 for Kemba. You're welcome to disagree with my speculation, but I am going off reports posted here during the summer. You were around here then and should remember these reports yourself.

[tmtcsc]

2 games in to the season and trading Green away was a mistake? Holding on to fossils too long was a mistake. Bums like Green and Parker should have been gone a long time ago. Last year around this same time, everyone was talking about how Green really worked on his game and could finally dribble and drive to the basket. Meanwhile, his defense had been going to shit for the previous 3 seasons. Nah, we're fine. This thing needed an overhaul. We still have some hangers-on that need to go.

[TimDunkem]

Don't care about that scrub Green although it hurts right now with all the guards down and the defense in question.

What's upsetting is that we only got back Poodle.

[BillMc]

. PATFO told Kawhi they had a deal for a star on the table, and if Leonard committed, they'd pull the trigger and (in their belief), because a real powerhouse that would win the West/title. Leonard balked. David Aldridge suspected that trade was for Kemba Walker. I believe it was for DeRozan given the smoke coming out from Toronto about being willing to trade any of their players for a top-10 pick. I'm thinking the deal was DeMar would have been something like Green, Gasol, 18 and a future pick for DeRozan. For Walker, it would have been Green, Murray and 18 for Kemba. You're welcome to disagree with my speculation, but I am going off reports posted here during the summer. You were around here then and should remember these reports yourself.

I'd heard that too. We can only wonder how good a Kemba/Kawhi/LMA core or a DeMar/Kawhi/LMA core could be. Warrior beaters? Unlikely but maybe

[Spurtacular]

Should've been Mills instead of Green and we needed to get in addition to Poeltl and the pick one of OG and Siakam if not both.

Complete fleece. Gave them $5M to help with the tax payment due to Kawhi's 15% trade kicker, too.

Yup. I made that thread. Think a wuss mod may have closed it.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Fuxk Danny Green. This dude has been starting out hot for the past 3 years only to be garbage shooting the ball later on in the season. We had too many guards on our roster and there was literally no way of seeing 3 of them go down with injury before the season began. Tbh Green is done. By January you will see his decline... Again

[Fusternino]

Yup. I made that thread. Think a wuss mod may have closed it.

Raps just acted like they were doing us a favor with that trade. Even the last minute demand for $5M.

Fortunately, Gay is playing really well and next draft is loaded at the SF position. The one bright spot about Forbes playing is some team will become delusional into thinking he's an asset and we can ship him and both picks for a pick in the 12-16 range.

[Spurtacular]

Raps just acted like they were doing us a favor with that trade. Even the last minute demand for $5M.

Fortunately, Gay is playing really well and next draft is loaded at the SF position. The one bright spot about Forbes playing is some team will become delusional into thinking he's an asset and we can ship him and both picks for a pick in the 12-16 range.

You're dreaming.

[Keepin' it real]

Fuxk Danny Green. This dude has been starting out hot for the past 3 years only to be garbage shooting the ball later on in the season. We had too many guards on our roster and there was literally no way of seeing 3 of them go down with injury before the season began. Tbh Green is done. By January you will see his decline... Again

By January? How about by next week? :lol

[Fusternino]

You're dreaming.

There's some truly awful GM's in this league.

[Spurtacular]

There's some truly awful GM's in this league.

They're still not that awful.

[Hoops Czar]

The Cavs tried to trade Irving first.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cavs-reportedly-tried-to-trade-kyrie-irving-before-he-asked-out-of-cleveland/



The plan on CLE's part was to move Irving for Bledsoe and the fourth-overall pick, then move that pick and filler to Indy for PG. The Spurs tried to trade Aldridge to Phoenix for the same pick and Green and the pick to Cleveland. The Suns balked at such a high price for Aldridge, and the Spurs backed away from doing any deal involving him once the Cavs made it clear they weren't trading Irving to SA. The Spurs may also have had contingent trades for a Paul signing, which we know didn't happen.

So anyways, yes, the Spurs weren't going to dump Green (or Aldridge) for nothing. They really wanted to get a superstar to put next to Leonard and tried to make that happen. When that failed, the Spurs backed off trade talks altogether and instead worked on patching things up with Aldridge. Unlike with Kawhi, Aldridge was willing to be talked down, so the team never got forced to trade him for whatever they could get.

Kyrie being shopped by Cleveland may have instigated his trade request but those facts were unknown at the time of his request. From the article you quoted...


For many, the swap from the Cavaliers to the Celtics (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/BOS/boston-celtics) last August was vexing. Irving was a champion on a contending franchise with a transcendent star, LeBron James (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/400553/lebron-james). Who walks away from that?What they didn't know was Cleveland had explored trading Kyrie in June, long before he asked out, a fact conveniently omitted when word of his demand leaked. Irving made the decision to remain silent while the details of his request were, in his word, "distorted."
"I didn't feel the need to say anything because I knew the truth, and so did they," he says. "So it didn't matter what others said."
Still, for a split second, Irving winces, as though someone has pricked him with a pin.
"They didn't want me there," he says

When Irving became available, the Spurs never made a formal offer, just a lot of speculation of whom the Spurs could offer. I believe K-Love's name came up on draft day as a possible target but the Spurs were desperately trying to move up in the draft and it made sense to name drop Danny and LMA because they were the Spurs' only real assets along with Dejounte. In fact, I think they would have shopped Dejounte and Aldridge for Irving had they made a play for him and Aldridge and Green for Love. No reason to sign Irving and stunt Murray's development/growth by burying him in the depth chart.

IIRC, the Spurs were desperate to dump LMA and the Spurs actually wanted the Sun's draft pick for themselves and the Suns shot down the deal emphatically. I think the Spurs were even willing to take the corpse of Tyson Chandler in the deal.




'm taking this to apply to this year rather than last. PATFO told Kawhi they had a deal for a star on the table, and if Leonard committed, they'd pull the trigger and (in their belief), because a real powerhouse that would win the West/title. Leonard balked. David Aldridge suspected that trade was for Kemba Walker. I believe it was for DeRozan given the smoke coming out from Toronto about being willing to trade any of their players for a top-10 pick. I'm thinking the deal was DeMar would have been something like Green, Gasol, 18 and a future pick for DeRozan. For Walker, it would have been Green, Murray and 18 for Kemba. You're welcome to disagree with my speculation, but I am going off reports posted here during the summer. You were around here then and should remember these reports yourself.

Yes, I heard the speculation but why wait until Kawhi was halfway out the door to bribe him to stay? The Spurs could have done this a year earlier but instead, they chose to chase a ghost in CP3 who was obviously using the Spurs to get a fifth year from the Clippers. I think the only one's who couldn't see it were the two dead heads running the front office. And when that failed, they literally destroyed their remaining cap space on Mills and Gasol. I don't believe the Spurs had anything on the table last offseason I remember hearing something along the lines the Spurs would bring in a third star to pair with Kawhi and Aldridge but that was kind of impossible without moving Gasol and Paddy's contract or Tony's contract ( more reasonable but for sentimental reasons, extremely unlikely).

[Chinook]

Kyrie being shopped by Cleveland may have instigated his trade request but those facts were unknown at the time of his request.

They were known back in June:

https://www.obsev.com/sports/lebron-james-kyrie-irving-trade.html

Irving was available during draft night, and the Spurs made an offer. By the time Irving made his trade request, Aldridge was off the table, and the Cavs had already shut down the offer in the first place. Remember too that this is after PATFO had given Mills and Gasol their new contracts. Making a move for another guard at August would have been hard, especially without trading Aldridge.


When Irving became available, the Spurs never made a formal offer, just a lot of speculation of whom the Spurs could offer. I believe K-Love's name came up on draft day as a possible target but the Spurs were desperately trying to move up in the draft and it made sense to name drop Danny and LMA because they were the Spurs' only real assets along with Dejounte. In fact, I think they would have shopped Dejounte and Aldridge for Irving had they made a play for him and Aldridge and Green for Love. No reason to sign Irving and stunt Murray's development/growth by burying him in the depth chart.

We can go over and over what was rumored, reported and speculated at the time. But that was a long time ago. I will say that Murray seemed to have been part of the Irving package, given how he was handled in the summer league that year. Of course, there's zero reason to believe Murray and Irving would not have played together under Pop, seeing as the Spurs play Murray at the two regularly. If Mills and Murray play together, Kyrie and Murray totally would have been able to.


IIRC, the Spurs were desperate to dump LMA and the Spurs actually wanted the Sun's draft pick for themselves and the Suns shot down the deal emphatically. I think the Spurs were even willing to take the corpse of Tyson Chandler in the deal.

It was reported/rumored SA was shopping LMA for a high pick and that they were not able to find a partner. Anything about what PATFO would have been willing to take back besides a high pick or how close they were to agreeing to a lesser offer is speculation. Pop himself said that he told Aldridge he'd only trade him for a star player, so if there's any evidence out there, it points to the Spurs not being desperate to dump LMA and toward them not placing a tremendously high value on a draft pick. Looking at how they played the Leonard trade, it seems even more obvious that they weren't looking to dump Aldridge for a package containing mostly future value. This isn't about you or us agreeing with their priorities or execution. Just looking at what we heard paints a picture different than you're arguing existed.


Yes, I heard the speculation but why wait until Kawhi was halfway out the door to bribe him to stay? The Spurs could have done this a year earlier but instead, they chose to chase a ghost in CP3 who was obviously using the Spurs to get a fifth year from the Clippers. I think the only one's who couldn't see it were the two dead heads running the front office. And when that failed, they literally destroyed their remaining cap space on Mills and Gasol. I don't believe the Spurs had anything on the table last offseason I remember hearing something along the lines the Spurs would bring in a third star to pair with Kawhi and Aldridge but that was kind of impossible without moving Gasol and Paddy's contract or Tony's contract ( more reasonable but for sentimental reasons, extremely unlikely).

You're entitled to think that way. I've certainly had my own share of disagreements with PATFO, even though I'm mostly content with the mixture of talent and potential on their roster. We're getting away from the point that started this exchange, though. I do think there were very few scenarios where Green remained a Spur this season. The team needed an upgrade at the guard spot, and with Walker there as backup and potentially Murray there for defensive purposes, Danny just didn't have a place on the team. But his contract and track record made him very tradeable, even if clubs would not have given up value for him by himself. The difference between having a team take on Danny and having that same team take on Mills is huge. If Kemba/DeRozan was really on the table for something PATFO could meet, I don't think there's any way in hell Danny wasn't part of that.

[DAF86]

There's just no way PATFO couldn't work their way into giving up Mills or Gasol instead of Green. Fucking horrible front office job.

[Hoops Czar]

Chinook That article doesn't even mention the Spurs. Why would the Spurs pull Aldridge off the table? He didn't even sign his extension until October of that year.

[kobyz]

We should have demend raptors to throw in at least delon wright

[Kawhitstorm]

Who knows if RC had any choice. Kawhi had put the Spurs in a bad position.

Blame Pop-a-zit

[DJR210]

Having a pick on the line has been great, it's allowed me to be a fan of the Raptors and cheer like I give a shit about them.

[Kawhitstorm]

There's just no way PATFO couldn't work their way into giving up Mills or Gasol instead of Green. Fucking horrible front office job.

:pop:: "I'm the decider! I'm always the smartest person in the room, you can't tell me anything!"

[kobyz]

Spurs should not have traded kawhi at all, what a stupid decision, even in that situation and even if there 99% he left after the season, you take your chance and that one year, unless you getting a superstar for him... Pop once again was caught up in his morals...

[therealtruth]

I'm glad they threw Green in. I think he'll do a lot better out of Pop's system.

[Kurgan]

danny wilted next to the corpse of tony parker. now he's thriving playing next to a real point guard in lowry. that parker contract extension killed this franchise but good

[ceperez]

Sad times. It was bad enough to move Kawhi but the wing stop duo... :cry

Raptors are going to march straight into the finals because defense wins playoff games.

Their only obstacle is Boston. Now Stevens is a brilliant coach, but they might not be a good matchup against an equally young and athletic team like the Raptors.

Offensively, both teams are about even, but you can't argue that the Raps have a air tight defensive core in Ibaka, Siakam, Anunoby, Leonard, Green. This team if healthy might not lose a single Eastern conference game.

[ElNono]

It was the right thing to do, on both sides, tbh, he was too comfy on the Spurs and in San Antonio clubs... now he has to go out there and start again, showing teams he's worth a fat stack of money...

The Spurs will try to offset some of his vastly overrated defense with some extra offense in guys like White, etc...

[anon]

his vastly overrated defense
I don't know whose ratings of Green's defense you've been reading but that recovery block of his against Curry mid-chuck would be the zenith of any defensive specialist's resume in this modern, chuck-happy nba. Can you name any other player who has stuffed a Curry 3 as textbook clean as Green did? Hell the best I could do in pick-up games is occasionally plant a fingertip on a released ball. Green's feat needed extensive scouting, exquisite timing and cat-like reflexes. He probably counterfaked Curry into thinking he fell for the first fake when he wasn't completely off-balanced as he first appeared, so add IQ to that. See, the fact that we are not even sure what fundamentals went into that block means there's not enough words said and written about said block, so by definition it's underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C27yHs3FJ0k

[Kurgan]

I don't know whose ratings of Green's defense you've been reading but that recovery block of his against Curry mid-chuck would be the zenith of any defensive specialist's resume in this modern, chuck-happy nba. Can you name any other player who has stuffed a Curry 3 as textbook clean as Green did? Hell the best I could do in pick-up games is occasionally plant a fingertip on a released ball. Green's feat needed extensive scouting, exquisite timing and cat-like reflexes. He probably counterfaked Curry into thinking he fell for the first fake when he wasn't completely off-balanced as he first appeared, so add IQ to that. See, the fact that we are not even sure what fundamentals went into that block means there's not enough words said and written about said block, so by definition it's underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C27yHs3FJ0k

danny averaged 1 block per game and 1 steal per game over a season for us. he's gonna do it again on the raptors. he's a legit defender. his offense sucked but that's to be expected from a role player. he needed a real point guard playing next to him, not the corpse of tony parker.

[anon]

danny averaged 1 block per game and 1 steal per game over a season for us. he's gonna do it again on the raptors. he's a legit defender. his offense sucked but that's to be expected from a role player. he needed a real point guard playing next to him, not the corpse of tony parker.
There's also the hustle stat where the player Green or Leonard is guarding is denied the ball altogether by that player's own teammates. It's a negative space kind of stat so no one remembers it enough to use in conversation, but for me, ball denial is really the bread-and-butter of a chip-caliber defender.

[tbdog]

Spurs should not have traded kawhi at all, what a stupid decision, even in that situation and even if there 99% he left after the season, you take your chance and that one year, unless you getting a superstar for him... Pop once again was caught up in his morals...

Because he was toxic. His group hid him from spurs staff. Also, he wasn't meeting with Pop and co for weeks. But contract obligations make it mandatory that the player must participate in the exit interview. Prior to that, I think Burford and Co thought they could repair the relationship. But after that 'interview', the Spurs opened up for trades. The way he is playing, it's obvious he did not have a season-ending injury.

[kobyz]

Because he was toxic. His group hid him from spurs staff. Also, he wasn't meeting with Pop and co for weeks. But contract obligations make it mandatory that the player must participate in the exit interview. Prior to that, I think Burford and Co thought they could repair the relationship. But after that 'interview', the Spurs opened up for trades. The way he is playing, it's obvious he did not have a season-ending injury.

Still should have kept him and commend him at least play out his contract, what will be will be...

[ceperez]

There's also the hustle stat where the player Green or Leonard is guarding is denied the ball altogether by that player's own teammates. It's a negative space kind of stat so no one remembers it enough to use in conversation, but for me, ball denial is really the bread-and-butter of a chip-caliber defender.

Danny and Kawhi anchored the Spurs elite defense for several years. It's not like they've declined in that department.

Now with Ibaka (apparently back to old form) and many young talents (Siakam, Anunoby) this team has the best defense in the league. Looking forward to see how they play against the Warriors.

This unfortunately is the Spurs team that we all wished for after the big three retired. It just happened to go to another team!!!

[anon]

This unfortunately is the Spurs team that we all wished for after the big three retired. It just happened to go to another team!!!
Amen. For all the vanilla posters reacting to harsh criticism of some PATFO moves and non-moves post-2014 and then post-Duncan, for all the posters thinking that whatever was the status quo was always the best possible position the Spurs could be in, the realization of the slow decline from being up on the defending champs by 23 to treadmill status doesn't start hitting until we see the idealized contender based on 2014 principles take form on another franchise.

[ceperez]

Amen. For all the vanilla posters reacting to harsh criticism of some PATFO moves and non-moves post-2014 and then post-Duncan, for all the posters thinking that whatever was the status quo was always the best possible position the Spurs could be in, the realization of the slow decline from being up on the defending champs by 23 to treadmill status doesn't start hitting until we see the idealized contender based on 2014 principles take form on another franchise.

Well, I don't think its the 2014 team of the beautiful game . It's a team of long mobile defensive players.

[Raven]

move on..

[TDMVPDPOY]

gave up our perimeter defense

i was pissed the year when jax return to the team, and the spurs had a perimeter lineup with any 2 combinations he put on the floor was able to play some sort of defense for 48mins, (jax, kawhi, green, ginoboli) yet pop goes and trot out some bullshit likeup like having bonner or some shit kent taking the 4th perimeter players in the rotation minutes...

[MoSpur02]

Spurs really didn't have much of a choice to be honest. From my understanding the Spur didn't have much of a choice. The only thing I am upset about is the deal they didn't make with Boston at the deadline last season, which was very close to happening, but the Spurs pulled back because Kawhi made it seem like he was willing to play with the again, but as we all know now he didn't.

Kawhi never really intended on playing with the Spurs again. The Spurs tried over and over again to patch things up, but Kawhi wouldn't cooperate.

The Spurs absolutely did not want to deal with the Lakers. They wanted him to go East, which is why their price was high when it came to trading him to the Lakers. The Clippers didn't really have anything of interest to the Spurs. I think they did okay with the trade for being forced into a trade.

It's only two games into the season and everyone is making a huge deal about Kawhi and Danny. Let the season play out. I'm not saying it wasn't a mistake to include Danny, but the Spurs really didn't have a lot of leverage.

[K...]

Am i correct that op has also said "the [spurs] are in a desperate need to rebuild" and here is saying "why did we get rid of an unmotivated veteran role player"

So if i have op correct, we trade derozan, alrdidge and gay, keep 19 guards and hope the draft is good enough to fix the team structure?

[Chinook]

Chinook That article doesn't even mention the Spurs. Why would the Spurs pull Aldridge off the table? He didn't even sign his extension until October of that year.

It doesn't have to mention them. It just confirms that other teams knew Kyrie was available in June. The Spurs (who would only trade Aldridge for a star) were talking trade with Cleveland at the same time that Cleveland was initially trying to trade Irving.

I already answered why they took LMA off the block and why they gave up on an Irving trade by August.

[Ice009]

Spurs really didn't have much of a choice to be honest. From my understanding the Spur didn't have much of a choice. The only thing I am upset about is the deal they didn't make with Boston at the deadline last season, which was very close to happening, but the Spurs pulled back because Kawhi made it seem like he was willing to play with the again, but as we all know now he didn't.

What was Boston's rumoured trade deadline offer?

[MoSpur02]

It was Tatum or Brown for sure if I'm not mistaken and someone else that would make up the salary. Not sure who plus a pick.

[Chinook]

What was Boston's rumoured trade deadline offer?

Guess is Brown, the SAC pick and filler. That's what was being rumored at the time. Dunno how I'd feel about that now. It would have required the Spurs to trade Aldridge, and maybe that could have gotten them a good young big. Then the SAC pick could have been really good for finishing off a Murray, Walker, Brown, (young big) core. But they wouldn't even have the ghost of a chance at a title in the next couple of years that they have now.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Danny was an unsung Spur..One of the best value for money players in the league. He thrived alongside Leonard and their combo was dreaded by even the Warriors for defensive tenacity and clutch play. Now these guys have taken their talents to Toronto through trade and you bet...They were bound to thrive. Losing Danny was the problem for me ..Kawhi's shenanigans aside..They could and should have insisted on getting at least Delonte Weight if not Anunoby along with Poeltl

[ginobilized]

Smart move if Raps make the Finals. Might help dismantle Golden State.

[SpursDynasty85]

Danny was an unsung Spur..One of the best value for money players in the league. He thrived alongside Leonard and their combo was dreaded by even the Warriors for defensive tenacity and clutch play. Now these guys have taken their talents to Toronto through trade and you bet...They were bound to thrive. Losing Danny was the problem for me ..Kawhi's shenanigans aside..They could and should have insisted on getting at least Delonte Weight if not Anunoby along with Poeltl

What was the better alternative? Assume the Spurs asked for as much as possible. People still dont understand how trades work and especially for big ones like these.

[ceperez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztDclP937c8

[Mikeanaro]

Now D Groin is good? he sucked for 5 years in a row, whattafackwroingwiththou?

[Xx_SpursNation_xX]

I think everyone needs to calm down it's only the beginning of the season, plenty of time for Green to get bored again and Leonard to fake an injury. Was it a bad trade, absolutley, did we have much of a choice, no. Let's look forward not backward, and start tanking because Derozan is trash.

[daslicer]

I think everyone needs to calm down it's only the beginning of the season, plenty of time for Green to get bored again and Leonard to fake an injury. Was it a bad trade, absolutley, did we have much of a choice, no. Let's look forward not backward, and start tanking because Derozan is trash.

Agreed this is my mentality.

[Biggems]

The raptors needed kawhi's ventriloquist, thus green was the trade.

[cd021]

Should've been Mills instead of Green and we needed to get in addition to Poeltl and the pick one of OG and Siakam if not both.

Complete fleece. Gave them $5M to help with the tax payment due to Kawhi's 15% trade kicker, too.

Gasol instead of Green and I would have been much higher on the trade.

Green would've solved our defensive issues on the wing and made it much easier for the Spurs to have a good defense. Aldridge playing more at center with Poeltl, Gay and Bertans filling out the big rotation would have allowed for the Spurs to play more modern more often too

[DMC]

It doesn't matter. If Pop cared about Danny at all he would have wanted him in a good situation. SA isn't in a good situation.

[TD 21]

Gasol instead of Green and I would have been much higher on the trade.

Green would've solved our defensive issues on the wing and made it much easier for the Spurs to have a good defense. Aldridge playing more at center with Poeltl, Gay and Bertans filling out the big rotation would have allowed for the Spurs to play more modern more often too

:tu

Losing the scumbag for nothing was never a viable option, which left 3: 1) Make a fair trade, 2) Retain him to start the season and see how things go, 3) If repairing the relationship proved untenable after a few months, trade him by the deadline for whatever they could have got.

Since 1 clearly wasn't on the table, they should have done 2 and if worse came to worst, 3. Instead, they panicked, embarrassed themselves and have become something of a laughing stock while watching their counterparts, the Raptors, bathe in an endless sea of praise.

The timing likely influenced the Timberwolves approach, but finally a team is strong arming one of these divas instead of kowtowing to their demands.

[gambit1990]

would’ve been cool to get siakam or og.

[Fusternino]

I mean, I still think we can get a SF in next year's draft who would be just as good as OG. Gay is looking more and more like a steal of a signing.

[daslicer]

:tu

Losing the scumbag for nothing was never a viable option, which left 3: 1) Make a fair trade, 2) Retain him to start the season and see how things go, 3) If repairing the relationship proved untenable after a few months, trade him by the deadline for whatever they could have got.

Since 1 clearly wasn't on the table, they should have done 2 and if worse came to worst, 3. Instead, they panicked, embarrassed themselves and have become something of a laughing stock while watching their counterparts, the Raptors, bathe in an endless sea of praise.

The timing likely influenced the Timberwolves approach, but finally a team is strong arming one of these divas instead of kowtowing to their demands.

I have read the other boards and I don't see anybody laughing at the Spurs. I have also heard national media commentary on the trade and the majority of people feel the trade was the best the Spurs could do. Don't know how that qualifies the Spurs as a laughing stock. The Wolves are getting nothing out of forcing Jimmy to play other then another first round exit and Jimmy bailing on them next summer. If anything the Wolves have been the laughing stock of the league just by the way they have handled the Butler situation and also the spat they got into with Riley.

You have to be naive to believe the relationship was salvable considering there are reports how the Spurs desperately tried to fix things with Kawhi but ultimately they couldn't resolve things during the summer. Believe it or not I originally wanted the Spurs to strong arm Kawhi and force him to comeback this season but looking back this would not have been a viable long term solution for the Spurs. Spurs were not beating the Warriors after they acquired Demarcus Cousins. There would have been nothing good the Spurs would have gained after having a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Kawhi would have just left next summer. I know you will say Derozan will leave when he's FA. That could be the case but I feel if the Spurs give him the money that there is a high chance he will stay.

Ultimately I see the Raptors losing this trade unless they get a title this year which is highly unlikely. Raptors fall of 2019 will be Lowry and a bunch of good role players. Kawhi will bail on them next summer and sign with the Clippers. I don't ever see Kawhi winning a title unless he forms a super team so ultimately Spurs will break even. You are just overreacting like a bitch on PMS.

[BackHome]

True Dat

[ceperez]

I have read the other boards and I don't see anybody laughing at the Spurs. I have also heard national media commentary on the trade and the majority of people feel the trade was the best the Spurs could do. Don't know how that qualifies the Spurs as a laughing stock. The Wolves are getting nothing out of forcing Jimmy to play other then another first round exit and Jimmy bailing on them next summer. If anything the Wolves have been the laughing stock of the league just by the way they have handled the Butler situation and also the spat they got into with Riley.

You have to be naive to believe the relationship was salvable considering there are reports how the Spurs desperately tried to fix things with Kawhi but ultimately they couldn't resolve things during the summer. Believe it or not I originally wanted the Spurs to strong arm Kawhi and force him to comeback this season but looking back this would not have been a viable long term solution for the Spurs. Spurs were not beating the Warriors after they acquired Demarcus Cousins. There would have been nothing good the Spurs would have gained after having a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Kawhi would have just left next summer. I know you will say Derozan will leave when he's FA. That could be the case but I feel if the Spurs give him the money that there is a high chance he will stay.

Ultimately I see the Raptors losing this trade unless they get a title this year which is highly unlikely. Raptors fall of 2019 will be Lowry and a bunch of good role players. Kawhi will bail on them next summer and sign with the Clippers. I don't ever see Kawhi winning a title unless he forms a super team so ultimately Spurs will break even. You are just overreacting like a bitch on PMS.

I agree, the Spurs got the best deal that was available at the time.

Kawhi is an asset that's unpredictable. He's controlled by his family. Raptors have this year to deliver a finals showing and hope they can still resign BOTH Green and Leonard. Meanwhile, Spurs have two players that they don't have to worry about in signing for next 3 years!

[vy65]

I have read the other boards and I don't see anybody laughing at the Spurs. I have also heard national media commentary on the trade and the majority of people feel the trade was the best the Spurs could do. Don't know how that qualifies the Spurs as a laughing stock. The Wolves are getting nothing out of forcing Jimmy to play other then another first round exit and Jimmy bailing on them next summer. If anything the Wolves have been the laughing stock of the league just by the way they have handled the Butler situation and also the spat they got into with Riley.

You have to be naive to believe the relationship was salvable considering there are reports how the Spurs desperately tried to fix things with Kawhi but ultimately they couldn't resolve things during the summer. Believe it or not I originally wanted the Spurs to strong arm Kawhi and force him to comeback this season but looking back this would not have been a viable long term solution for the Spurs. Spurs were not beating the Warriors after they acquired Demarcus Cousins. There would have been nothing good the Spurs would have gained after having a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Kawhi would have just left next summer. I know you will say Derozan will leave when he's FA. That could be the case but I feel if the Spurs give him the money that there is a high chance he will stay.

Ultimately I see the Raptors losing this trade unless they get a title this year which is highly unlikely. Raptors fall of 2019 will be Lowry and a bunch of good role players. Kawhi will bail on them next summer and sign with the Clippers. I don't ever see Kawhi winning a title unless he forms a super team so ultimately Spurs will break even. You are just overreacting like a bitch on PMS.

Assuming all the personnel issues came to light during the summer, why give up after a few months of trying. After one year, PG bought in to OKC. Could and should have tried the same with Kawhi.

Point is there’s no telling what will happen in a year. It’s conceivable he stays in Toronto, especially if they’re winning. How’s the front office look if that happens?

[Darius Bieber]

It’s like going from a Ferrari to a Honda

Ehhh more like a Mitsubishi Mirage tbh

[kobyz]

Spurs were too panic, instead of trading him they should let kawh play out the year and see what happened, who know what would happened at the end, but anyway, one year of kawhi worth more than three years of damar...

[ElNono]

I don't know whose ratings of Green's defense you've been reading but that recovery block of his against Curry mid-chuck would be the zenith of any defensive specialist's resume in this modern, chuck-happy nba. Can you name any other player who has stuffed a Curry 3 as textbook clean as Green did? Hell the best I could do in pick-up games is occasionally plant a fingertip on a released ball. Green's feat needed extensive scouting, exquisite timing and cat-like reflexes. He probably counterfaked Curry into thinking he fell for the first fake when he wasn't completely off-balanced as he first appeared, so add IQ to that. See, the fact that we are not even sure what fundamentals went into that block means there's not enough words said and written about said block, so by definition it's underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C27yHs3FJ0k

Danny Green played 520 games with the Spurs, and the memorable is one play out of one game? I mean, I don't want to sell Danny too short, but he's been on the decline the last couple of seasons, and he's never been a lockdown type of guy either. When his offensive game was on, he was a solid player to have, and he's always been relatively cheap talent for the Spurs. So I'm not really complaining, but the overall feeling is that he reached his ceiling with the Spurs, and I actually think it's a good opportunity for him to reinvent himself somewhere else.

[TD 21]

I have read the other boards and I don't see anybody laughing at the Spurs. I have also heard national media commentary on the trade and the majority of people feel the trade was the best the Spurs could do. Don't know how that qualifies the Spurs as a laughing stock. The Wolves are getting nothing out of forcing Jimmy to play other then another first round exit and Jimmy bailing on them next summer. If anything the Wolves have been the laughing stock of the league just by the way they have handled the Butler situation and also the spat they got into with Riley.

You have to be naive to believe the relationship was salvable considering there are reports how the Spurs desperately tried to fix things with Kawhi but ultimately they couldn't resolve things during the summer. Believe it or not I originally wanted the Spurs to strong arm Kawhi and force him to comeback this season but looking back this would not have been a viable long term solution for the Spurs. Spurs were not beating the Warriors after they acquired Demarcus Cousins. There would have been nothing good the Spurs would have gained after having a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Kawhi would have just left next summer. I know you will say Derozan will leave when he's FA. That could be the case but I feel if the Spurs give him the money that there is a high chance he will stay.

Ultimately I see the Raptors losing this trade unless they get a title this year which is highly unlikely. Raptors fall of 2019 will be Lowry and a bunch of good role players. Kawhi will bail on them next summer and sign with the Clippers. I don't ever see Kawhi winning a title unless he forms a super team so ultimately Spurs will break even. You are just overreacting like a bitch on PMS.

- I was talking about the national media. Only antiquated types think this was a good trade.
- Laughing stock, in the sense that they now have the antithesis of the ideal team in this era, while gifting the Raptors the ideal team in the process.
- At least the Timberwolves haven't (yet) caved with an embarrassing trade.
- Never said the relationship as salvageable, genius. Said it was better to find out in season than accept pennies on the dollar, when they could have done the same later. Since DeRozan was half salary dump, the Raptors probably do him and Poeltl (but no pick) in season.
- Spurs weren't beating the Warriors once the biggest 3 aged out and no one was once that puke Durant signed.
- Presuming they want him in 2 years, think it's more likely than not DeRozan re-signs.
- Raptors win the trade no matter how it plays out because it was worth a shot even if he leaves. If he doesn't, the trade looks even worse on the Spurs.
- You're underreacting like a racist scumbag.

[vy65]

...

[daslicer]

Assuming all the personnel issues came to light during the summer, why give up after a few months of trying. After one year, PG bought in to OKC. Could and should have tried the same with Kawhi.

Point is there’s no telling what will happen in a year. It’s conceivable he stays in Toronto, especially if they’re winning. How’s the front office look if that happens?

Spurs tried for a fucking year to resolve the issues with Kawhi. It's the reason why allegedly they passed up on a trade with Boston before the trade deadline because they believed the issues Kawhi was having could be resolved. Michael C Wright reported during the summertime how Kawhi hid and ran from Spurs team doctors when they tried to meet him in the NY NBA headquarters. That's when I was convinced the relationship was beyond repair. Kawhi by doing what he did in NYC proved to be a brainwashed basket case controlled by his uncle. The way him and his uncle felt about the Spurs was never going to change. They were adamant for the relationship to come to an end hence why Kawhi faked injury for a year and was unreachable for the most part. Kawhi was leaving and the only way he stays was if the Spurs became the LA Spurs.

It's funny you say it's conceivable that Kawhi would stay in Toronto if they are winning considering the Spurs were always winning when he played full seasons. They had 2 back to back 60 plus win season with him and he still wanted out. I really do believe Kawhi has a huge ego and believes that he can win anywhere regardless of the talent around him so winning is not going to be enough for Toronto to keep him. There is a small chance in hell that he could stay in Toronto and if he does then I will admit the Spurs lost the trade but the odds of him staying in Toronto is as high as Trump going a day without telling a lie. 90 percent chance Kawhi will be a Clipper next summer.

[YGWHI]

It doesn't matter how bad or injured he looked that last season, I still wanted Danny on my team. But after reading this article, I'm happy for him in Toronto. Raptors media is showing him ton of love.

"Danny Green is a champion, a 3-and-D stalwart, and a locker room spokesman. Before that, he was lost and had to find his own way."


https://www.sbnation.com/2018/10/19/18001022/danny-green-interview-toronto-raptors-kawhi-leonard


A great work, absolutely must-read.

[Uriel]

As I have been saying from the start, the Spurs should have held on to Kawhi and played out the season. Then, once he'd established he was healthy and the Spurs make the WCF, offer him the supermax in the summer. There was no way he would've walked away from that.

[Hoops Czar]

It doesn't have to mention them. It just confirms that other teams knew Kyrie was available in June. The Spurs (who would only trade Aldridge for a star) were talking trade with Cleveland at the same time that Cleveland was initially trying to trade Irving.

I already answered why they took LMA off the block and why they gave up on an Irving trade by August.

It doesn't confirm anything other than a rumor claiming Cleveland and Phoenix were working on a blockbuster surrounding Bledsoe and Irving. This has nothing to do with the Spurs whatsoever. There were rumors that the Spurs were engaged in trade talks with the Cavs involving Aldridge and possibly Green but for Kevin Love, not Kyrie Irving.

https://247sports.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/Bolt/Report-Cleveland-Cavaliers-engaged-in-trade-talks-for-LaMarcus-Aldridge-53290188/


https://us.blastingnews.com/sports/2017/06/trade-rumors-cavaliers-showing-interest-in-lamarcus-aldridge-and-danny-green-001794483.html


Regardless of what you think, Aldridge was not going to be traded for another guard with Tony Parker, Dejounte Murray, Manu Ginobili and presumably at some point, Mills already occupying spots on the roster while leaving the Spurs with only a 36 year old Pau Gasol as the only capable big.

The Spurs were dangling Aldridge before the draft to see if they could move into the top 10 of the draft. A trade with Phoenix was intriguing because it was the only team holding a top 10 pick that could acquire Aldridge with confidence that it isn't just a one year engagement. Nothing was even remotely close to happening because the Suns weren't giving up their 4th pick. All the interaction between Pop and Aldridge during this time about "only trading Aldridge for a star" was coach speak. Players and coaches will say whatever they need to say in order to diffuse a situation. He also said that his demands for Kawhi Leonard were really high and then a week or two later, he settled for a salary dumped Demar DeRozen. Yet, he had all summer to hunt and search for a trade with future value and upside with plenty of time to revisit the DeRozen trade proposal if nothing materialized. Toronto was so desperate to offload DeRozen's contract, they were willing to risk one year of Kawhi in order to rid themselves of it. Throwing Danny in for free was just the Spurs' FO adding insult to misery.

[daslicer]

- I was talking about the national media. Only antiquated types think this was a good trade.
- Laughing stock, in the sense that they now have the antithesis of the ideal team in this era, while gifting the Raptors the ideal team in the process.
- At least the Timberwolves haven't (yet) caved with an embarrassing trade.
- Never said the relationship as salvageable, genius. Said it was better to find out in season than accept pennies on the dollar, when they could have done the same later. Since DeRozan was half salary dump, the Raptors probably do him and Poeltl (but no pick) in season.
- Spurs weren't beating the Warriors once the biggest 3 aged out and no one was once that puke Durant signed.
- Presuming they want him in 2 years, think it's more likely than not DeRozan re-signs.
- Raptors win the trade no matter how it plays out because it was worth a shot even if he leaves. If he doesn't, the trade looks even worse on the Spurs.
- You're underreacting like a racist scumbag.

1. Like I said before national media has said this was the best trade the Spurs could do considering the circumstance. I know you are stupid but damn your reading comprehension sucks.
2. So they gifted the Raptors a great team for 1 year whose best case scenario is getting curbstomped by the Warriors in the Finals. I consider gifting when a team wins a championship off a trade ala Lakers with Kobe,Gasol,Kareem.
3. What's the point of keeping Kawhi a few months longer if they are going to get a penny on the dollar trade anyways. I actually think Spurs would have gotten worse offers if they kept Kawhi longer considering no team would be stupid enough to trade even a good asset like Demar for 3-4 month rental. Spurs were in a lose lose situation with Kawhi considering players in the last year of their contract don't get much in return plus Kawhi's demand to go to LA scared off a lot of potential suitors. Look at the Kyrie Irving trade the Cavs did that's the type of trade you are more likely to get more so than a PG type of trade.
4. I'm glad you were smart enough to realize the Spurs weren't beating the Warriors. Proves a broke clock is right at least twice a day.
5. Derozan is a LA guy. That's the only place I could see him wanting to leave the Spurs for but I doubt the Clippers or Lakers will be interested in him in 2 years. More likely he stays if the Spurs give him the max and you gotta factor in the no state tax. Also with the Spurs he's allowed to maintain the same type of role he had with the Raptors.
6. Raptors winning the trade all depends on the results of it. Don't be stupid this is a results oriented league. If they end up with not winning a title and Kawhi leaves they will end up looking stupid since they gave up an all-star caliber player in his prime just for a 1 year rental. They will start feeling that pain when they are a 30 win team next season without Kawhi. I can admit the Spurs do end up losing on the trade if Kawhi stays with the Raptors.
7.:lol at calling me a racist. Yes you can say I'm a racist but I tend to hate all races equally. I don't think there is a superior race since all races have flaws. I like to say proudly it's because I'm intolerant that I'm tolerant.
8. I recommend that you buy some tampons to help deal with the PMS you are suffering from due to Kawhi's departure.

[YGWHI]

In two days I know more of Kawhi's trade (how and who young Spurs' executive took charge and control negotiations in the draft night and next month) & Danny's bio than in their many years in SA.

Rest NBA media>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff McDonald

[skin27]

Danny played horrible vs wizards hahahah

[cd021]

I mean, I still think we can get a SF in next year's draft who would be just as good as OG. Gay is looking more and more like a steal of a signing.

Man I hope so. I think if the Spurs end up in the teens again then Hunter is a good and realistic option and would allow for the Spurs to keep the Raps pick to draft and stash another player at the end of the first round.

[therealtruth]

Still should have kept him and commend him at least play out his contract, what will be will be...

The Spurs decided to choose Pop over Kawhi since it was obvious Pop was the reason behind all the championships. We'll see who wins a championship first.

[Prose]

Raptors have all the assets that I had hoped the Spurs would get after Duncan.

They got a mobile shot blocking big in Ibaka.
A top notch point guard in Lowry with a pretty good backup in Van Vleet.
Green and Leonard - really the two guys who anchored the Spurs elite defense.
Two long, athletic and young guys - Siakam and Anouby

It's depressing to watch!


Couldn’t say it better myself. Worst part is I can’t escape this shit since I’m in Toronto visiting my in-laws. Fuck my life

[daslicer]

The Spurs decided to choose Pop over Kawhi since it was obvious Pop was the reason behind all the championships. We'll see who wins a championship first.

Neither will win another title. Don't see Kawhi winning in Toronto. I'm betting he will go to the Clippers. Unless the Clippers create a super team then he's not winning there either.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Neither will win another title. Don't see Kawhi winning in Toronto. I'm betting he will go to the Clippers. Unless the Clippers create a super team then he's not winning there either.

clippers can give him max 140-150m using their capspace
plays closer to home...
winning? i doubt he cares anymore...

[daslicer]

clippers can give him max 140-150m using their capspace
plays closer to home...
winning? i doubt he cares anymore...

You are probably right about him not caring about winning anymore. Honestly if he never wins another ring I'm satisfied.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Couldn’t say it better myself. Worst part is I can’t escape this shit since I’m in Toronto visiting my in-laws. Fuck my life

I live in Toronto, situation is brutal

[TDMVPDPOY]

danny was clearly declining, just because its a contract year he put work in? fck that clown...

but why did they patfo threw him in part of the deal? wasnt there anyone else available to throw in? fkn patfo doing stupid shit as usual...

besides the 3 tosb, seriously the last 2-3 yeaars i question some of the patfo stupid moves

dedmon
lee
simmons
anderson
green
kawhi

thats basically a good roster rotation right there...

[coachmac87]

He has been on fire so far. Spurs desperately could have used him.

He’s playing with an all star point guard

[TDMVPDPOY]

He’s playing with an all star point guard

beats playing with a freeloader pg who wont pass him or anyone not name duncan the ball...

[Kurgan]

beats playing with a freeloader pg who wont pass him or anyone not name duncan the ball...

parker has always held back the spurs. and he still wanted to play for three more years. beyond selfish human being.

[vy65]

Spurs tried for a fucking year to resolve the issues with Kawhi. It's the reason why allegedly they passed up on a trade with Boston before the trade deadline because they believed the issues Kawhi was having could be resolved. Michael C Wright reported during the summertime how Kawhi hid and ran from Spurs team doctors when they tried to meet him in the NY NBA headquarters. That's when I was convinced the relationship was beyond repair. Kawhi by doing what he did in NYC proved to be a brainwashed basket case controlled by his uncle. The way him and his uncle felt about the Spurs was never going to change. They were adamant for the relationship to come to an end hence why Kawhi faked injury for a year and was unreachable for the most part. Kawhi was leaving and the only way he stays was if the Spurs became the LA Spurs.

It's funny you say it's conceivable that Kawhi would stay in Toronto if they are winning considering the Spurs were always winning when he played full seasons. They had 2 back to back 60 plus win season with him and he still wanted out. I really do believe Kawhi has a huge ego and believes that he can win anywhere regardless of the talent around him so winning is not going to be enough for Toronto to keep him. There is a small chance in hell that he could stay in Toronto and if he does then I will admit the Spurs lost the trade but the odds of him staying in Toronto is as high as Trump going a day without telling a lie. 90 percent chance Kawhi will be a Clipper next summer.

Yet the spurs still believed that, during the early part of the summer, the relationship was still salvageable. It wasn’t until June that the trade demand came out. Prior to that all reports (and the FOs front office) was that everything was salvageable. In that light, the trade was a pennies on the dollar panic move.

I’m not saying he’s going to stay in Toronto. I have no clue. All I’m saying is that it’s possible and if it comes to pass, PATFO will need to be taken out back and put down.

[daslicer]

Yet the spurs still believed that, during the early part of the summer, the relationship was still salvageable. It wasn’t until June that the trade demand came out. Prior to that all reports (and the FOs front office) was that everything was salvageable. In that light, the trade was a pennies on the dollar panic move.

I’m not saying he’s going to stay in Toronto. I have no clue. All I’m saying is that it’s possible and if it comes to pass, PATFO will need to be taken out back and put down.

I feel the Spurs were in denial for most of the year about what was going on. The Spurs were equivalent to that stupid cuck who catches his wife cheating a bunch of times but wants to still believe the wife still loves them. They just couldn't accept what was going on and wanted to believe Kawhi would come to his senses that's why they wasted a whole entire year trying to placate him. They screwed up big time and should have tried to trade Kawhi immediately around December. They couldn't have gotten a lot of great offers around that time of year.

If you want to be upset at PATFO I would say be upset about how they didn't trade Kawhi earlier around last season. I have heard the Celtics were willing to give up anything for Kawhi around December of last year but the Spurs stupidly passed them up. They could have gotten Tatum and some solid players along with picks. That will always hurt. After Kawhi put it out to the rest of world he wanted to be in LA the Spurs were screwed out of getting good value for him. Don't be stupid and believe any GM was going to give up fair value for a basket case player just for a 1 year rental.

Spurs were never going to get equal value in any scenario just for offering a 1 year rental for Kawhi. The bottom line is the relationship wasn't salvageable and PATFO screwed up by waiting until the summer time to trade Kawhi. I don't understand why people like you can't accept it. It sucks and it's just one of those lose lose situations.

[vy65]

I feel the Spurs were in denial for most of the year about what was going on. The Spurs were equivalent to that stupid cuck who catches his wife cheating a bunch of times but wants to still believe the wife still loves them. They just couldn't accept what was going on and wanted to believe Kawhi would come to his senses that's why they wasted a whole entire year trying to placate him. They screwed up big time and should have tried to trade Kawhi immediately around December. They couldn't have gotten a lot of great offers around that time of year.

Is this supposed to be an excuse for PATFO?


If you want to be upset at PATFO I would say be upset about how they didn't trade Kawhi earlier around last season. I have heard the Celtics were willing to give up anything for Kawhi around December of last year but the Spurs stupidly passed them up. They could have gotten Tatum and some solid players along with picks. That will always hurt. After Kawhi put it out to the rest of world he wanted to be in LA the Spurs were screwed out of getting good value for him. Don't be stupid and believe any GM was going to give up fair value for a basket case player just for a 1 year rental.

No. I'm upset that they sold too soon, that they didn't give themselves more time, and made a rash decision based on what appears to be a few weeks of information. They brought LMA back into the fold. PG re-upped with OKC after all but promising to go to LA. A lot can happen over the course of a year, particularly when you can offer a super-max deal. That they traded a top-3 talent at all and especially for shit value is the immense failure - not waiting too long to trade him


Spurs were never going to get equal value in any scenario just for offering a 1 year rental for Kawhi. The bottom line is the relationship wasn't salvageable and PATFO screwed up by waiting until the summer time to trade Kawhi. I don't understand why people like you can't accept it. It sucks and it's just one of those lose lose situations.

Agree they were never going to get equal value. How do you know the relationship wasn't salvageable? For someone like Kawhi, I'd easily risk him walking for nothing if it bought me another year to bring him back into the fold. The alternative is the pile of shit we currently have as a team.

[daslicer]

Is this supposed to be an excuse for PATFO?



No. I'm upset that they sold too soon, that they didn't give themselves more time, and made a rash decision based on what appears to be a few weeks of information. They brought LMA back into the fold. PG re-upped with OKC after all but promising to go to LA. A lot can happen over the course of a year, particularly when you can offer a super-max deal. That they traded a top-3 talent at all and especially for shit value is the immense failure - not waiting too long to trade him



Agree they were never going to get equal value. How do you know the relationship wasn't salvageable? For someone like Kawhi, I'd easily risk him walking for nothing if it bought me another year to bring him back into the fold. The alternative is the pile of shit we currently have as a team.


1.I'm not giving PATFO any excuses. I just called them a bunch of dumb cucks for being in denial of the situation. How is that an excuse. Like I said before they should have traded him earlier before the summertime which would have resulted in them getting better value.
2. The PG example can't be used for Kawhi. PG was not a guy obsessed with endorsements and controlled by a uncle who is also controlled by a bunch of greedy Jews. Factor in that PG was willing to have open communications with OKC throughout the whole entire year while Kawhi wasn't with the Spurs.
3. I feel the relationship wasn't salvageable because the mottherfucker went into hiding for a whole entire year and cut off communications with the Spurs until he was forced to have an exit interview with them. He also faked an injury. He just didn't want to be in SA.
4. The injuries to Dejounte,Lonnie,White pretty much destroyed the Spurs ability to be a really good team. We don't know how good they would have been had those guys been all healthy. So basically you preferred to have a 1 year rental of Kawhi and then to rebuild. I'm not going to argue which strategy would have been better just that I don't think either way Kawhi was going to stay a Spurs long term.

[therealtruth]

PATFO already know that DDR/Gay can make game saving plays like that double block on Tatum that Danny and Kawhi made (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjcNzFyV6_I).

[YGWHI]

1.I'm not giving PATFO any excuses. I just called them a bunch of dumb cucks for being in denial of the situation. How is that an excuse. Like I said before they should have traded him earlier before the summertime which would have resulted in them getting better value.
PATFO has issues to read players' situations lately.

Pop said he didn't know that LMA was upset until he asked for a trade.
Most articles said the Spurs ignored how much Kawhi was angry until he stopped communication with them and let his uncle to take control.

Or PATFO is losing "the touch" ...Or they're making mistakes by minimizing complex situations.

[daslicer]

PATFO has issues to read players' situations lately.

Pop said he didn't know that LMA was upset until he asked for a trade.
Most articles said the Spurs ignored how much Kawhi was angry until he stopped communication with them and let his uncle to take control.

Or PATFO is losing "the touch" ...Or they're making mistakes by minimizing complex situations.

I agree they don't know how to read players.

[Hoops Czar]

PATFO has issues to read players' situations lately.

Pop said he didn't know that LMA was upset until he asked for a trade.
Most articles said the Spurs ignored how much Kawhi was angry until he stopped communication with them and let his uncle to take control.

Or PATFO is losing "the touch" ...Or they're making mistakes by minimizing complex situations.

They really do need to hire a team psychologist to deal with diva players and uncles.

[YGWHI]

They really do need to hire a team psychologist to deal with diva players and uncles.
Of course they need one. League have changed, players have changed, PATFO is too much old school to deal with these changes and new NBA era.

To be fair, they had a psychologist that was Spurs' "mental training coach" in previous years. Didn't know what happened to him.

[objective]

They should focus on developing front office talent from within.

Promoting interns from the crap Magic who can snuggle so sweetly with their old internmates on other teams to get deals done ... it's bad for business.

Just like getting Lindsay who immediately pushed Scola on his former team.

No more loyalties above the Spurs

[TD 21]

1. Like I said before national media has said this was the best trade the Spurs could do considering the circumstance. I know you are stupid but damn your reading comprehension sucks.
2. So they gifted the Raptors a great team for 1 year whose best case scenario is getting curbstomped by the Warriors in the Finals. I consider gifting when a team wins a championship off a trade ala Lakers with Kobe,Gasol,Kareem.
3. What's the point of keeping Kawhi a few months longer if they are going to get a penny on the dollar trade anyways. I actually think Spurs would have gotten worse offers if they kept Kawhi longer considering no team would be stupid enough to trade even a good asset like Demar for 3-4 month rental. Spurs were in a lose lose situation with Kawhi considering players in the last year of their contract don't get much in return plus Kawhi's demand to go to LA scared off a lot of potential suitors. Look at the Kyrie Irving trade the Cavs did that's the type of trade you are more likely to get more so than a PG type of trade.
4. I'm glad you were smart enough to realize the Spurs weren't beating the Warriors. Proves a broke clock is right at least twice a day.
5. Derozan is a LA guy. That's the only place I could see him wanting to leave the Spurs for but I doubt the Clippers or Lakers will be interested in him in 2 years. More likely he stays if the Spurs give him the max and you gotta factor in the no state tax. Also with the Spurs he's allowed to maintain the same type of role he had with the Raptors.
6. Raptors winning the trade all depends on the results of it. Don't be stupid this is a results oriented league. If they end up with not winning a title and Kawhi leaves they will end up looking stupid since they gave up an all-star caliber player in his prime just for a 1 year rental. They will start feeling that pain when they are a 30 win team next season without Kawhi. I can admit the Spurs do end up losing on the trade if Kawhi stays with the Raptors.
7.:lol at calling me a racist. Yes you can say I'm a racist but I tend to hate all races equally. I don't think there is a superior race since all races have flaws. I like to say proudly it's because I'm intolerant that I'm tolerant.
8. I recommend that you buy some tampons to help deal with the PMS you are suffering from due to Kawhi's departure.

- Like I said, if the Raptors wouldn't budge on Gasol instead of Green, then they should have taken the puke into the season. If they were going to be forced to make an embarrassing trade, they should have had the resolve to wait until absolutely necessary.

- Best case scenario, is they get to the Finals, Curry or Durant get injured and they have a shot to win the championship. Short of that, they're still capable of giving them a competitive series. Do that and they damn sure don't hurt their odds of re-signing the prick.

- Point is, Cousins wasn't the tipping point, genius.

- A then 31 year old DeRozan, who plays an archaic style, isn't getting the max. An Aldridge type extension is probably most likely.

- The Raptors can't end up looking stupid. They went from perennial pretenders to having a shot to be contenders (Curry or Durant injury caveat). Anyone with half a brain does that in a second.

[YGWHI]

They should focus on developing front office talent from within.

Promoting interns from the crap Magic who can snuggle so sweetly with their old internmates on other teams to get deals done ... it's bad for business.

Just like getting Lindsay who immediately pushed Scola on his former team.

No more loyalties above the Spurs

:tu

[daslicer]

- Like I said, if the Raptors wouldn't budge on Gasol instead of Green, then they should have taken the puke into the season. If they were going to be forced to make an embarrassing trade, they should have had the resolve to wait until absolutely necessary.

- Best case scenario, is they get to the Finals, Curry or Durant get injured and they have a shot to win the championship. Short of that, they're still capable of giving them a competitive series. Do that and they damn sure don't hurt their odds of re-signing the prick.

- Point is, Cousins wasn't the tipping point, genius.

- A then 31 year old DeRozan, who plays an archaic style, isn't getting the max. An Aldridge type extension is probably most likely.

- The Raptors can't end up looking stupid. They went from perennial pretenders to having a shot to be contenders (Curry or Durant injury caveat). Anyone with half a brain does that in a second.

1. If the Spurs waited longer they were going to get an even worse offer. All the offers prior to the Demar offer were even shittier. I don't see teams giving up anything of good value for a 1 year rental. You can keep screaming until you are blue in the face but it just wasn't going to happen for spurs when it comes to getting a good deal.
2. So basically the Raptors have to hope for Curry or Durant to tear an ACL. Most likely that will not happen. Let's be real Raptors are not winning against the Warriors in a 7 game series. It's not even guaranteed the Raptors will come out of the East.
3. Kawhi will be a Clipper. Spurs were 60 plus win team the last 2 years and he still wanted out. His ego is so big that I'm sure he believes he can win anywhere regardless of talent.
4. Raptors will look stupid when they are a 30 win team next fall. I guess most GM's don't have half a brain since all of them were not willing to give up anything of value to get Kawhi. For example Boston wasn't willing to give up any member for their core of Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Irving for Kawhi because they knew he was a 1 year rental that would bail on them. Very stupid to gamble on a 1 year rental when it doesn't make you the favorites to win the title.
5. :lol at saying Cousins wasn't the tipping point. Cousins is a 20-10 player and he gives the Warriors an inside presence that they have never had. He makes the Warriors even harder to defend. You can't be stupid to believe adding a 20-10 player who is perennial all-star is not going to tip the scales in their favor.
6. Feel free to gloat if Kawhi stays in Toronto next summer but I'm confident I will get the last laugh when he bolts to the Clippers.
7. I don't care if Derozan gets the max or if he doesn't. Point is if the Spurs want to keep him they will be able to.

[TD 21]

1. If the Spurs waited longer they were going to get an even worse offer. All the offers prior to the Demar offer were even shittier. I don't see teams giving up anything of good value for a 1 year rental. You can keep screaming until you are blue in the face but it just wasn't going to happen for spurs when it comes to getting a good deal.
2. So basically the Raptors have to hope for Curry or Durant to tear an ACL. Most likely that will not happen. Let's be real Raptors are not winning against the Warriors in a 7 game series. It's not even guaranteed the Raptors will come out of the East.
3. Kawhi will be a Clipper. Spurs were 60 plus win team the last 2 years and he still wanted out. His ego is so big that I'm sure he believes he can win anywhere regardless of talent.
4. Raptors will look stupid when they are a 30 win team next fall. I guess most GM's don't have half a brain since all of them were not willing to give up anything of value to get Kawhi. For example Boston wasn't willing to give up any member for their core of Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Irving for Kawhi because they knew he was a 1 year rental that would bail on them. Very stupid to gamble on a 1 year rental when it doesn't make you the favorites to win the title.
5. :lol at saying Cousins wasn't the tipping point. Cousins is a 20-10 player and he gives the Warriors an inside presence that they have never had. He makes the Warriors even harder to defend. You can't be stupid to believe adding a 20-10 player who is perennial all-star is not going to tip the scales in their favor.
6. Feel free to gloat if Kawhi stays in Toronto next summer but I'm confident I will get the last laugh when he bolts to the Clippers.
7. I don't care if Derozan gets the max or if he doesn't. Point is if the Spurs want to keep him they will be able to.

- I realize that and said as much. My point was, the Raptors probably would have been desperate enough in season to offer DeRozan and Poeltl. So if the worst case scenario from waiting was to lose the 27th-30th pick vs 1) hoping they concede on Gasol instead of Green, 2) having a miniscule chance of repairing the relationship in season and 3) at least avoiding embarrassment until all options were exhausted, it would have been worth it.

- Had they not made the trade, that wouldn't have been enough to have a shot.

- Since the Spurs can't catch a break, I wouldn't rule out Leonard's re-signing; making the trade look even worse.

- Even if he bolts, it was still worth it. Opportunities to (pseudo) contend are scarce and should never be passed up. The Celtics were different than the Raptors because they already had the pieces to (pseudo) contend.

- Even you can't be this stupid. The biggest 3 aging out + the Durant signing ended any shot of the Spurs contending. Besides, Cousins won't be anywhere near what he was for minimum this season, if not ever.

- You're missing the point. The Raptors had hit their ceiling. Sure, it'll be difficult to build back to where they were, but aside from the money, the whole point of professional sports is to win a championship(s).

[JeffDuncan]

As long as we're off topic, I've been watching a little of SAC vs OKC. The best part so far was the Thunder Girls.

The Spurs organization has become incredibly stupid.

[rogcl1]

There was no way to predict the injuries to the young guys so even a declining Green would now help the current perimeter defense. Green did set the nets on fire in his last game at a sizzling 1 for 9 rate.

[gambit1990]

if the spurs doctors detected green’s groin injury last season then his trade value would’ve been higher/maybe the spurs would’ve held on to him.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Danny on fire again tonight

[hitmantb]

A HUGE part of Green's decline was because of the ineffective dribble penetration from Parker/Ginobili in recent years. When he is paired with a top point guard, suddenly he is back to his old self. Coincidence? I think not.

[DAF86]

- Like I said, if the Raptors wouldn't budge on Gasol instead of Green, then they should have taken the puke into the season. If they were going to be forced to make an embarrassing trade, they should have had the resolve to wait until absolutely necessary.

- Best case scenario, is they get to the Finals, Curry or Durant get injured and they have a shot to win the championship. Short of that, they're still capable of giving them a competitive series. Do that and they damn sure don't hurt their odds of re-signing the prick.

- Point is, Cousins wasn't the tipping point, genius.

- A then 31 year old DeRozan, who plays an archaic style, isn't getting the max. An Aldridge type extension is probably most likely.

- The Raptors can't end up looking stupid. They went from perennial pretenders to having a shot to be contenders (Curry or Durant injury caveat). Anyone with half a brain does that in a second.

Forget a Curry or Durant injury. If Kawhi stays healthy a Warriors/Raptors final would be pretty fucking even. Specially with the Raptors getting HCA, which is pretty possible.

[daslicer]

- I realize that and said as much. My point was, the Raptors probably would have been desperate enough in season to offer DeRozan and Poeltl. So if the worst case scenario from waiting was to lose the 27th-30th pick vs 1) hoping they concede on Gasol instead of Green, 2) having a miniscule chance of repairing the relationship in season and 3) at least avoiding embarrassment until all options were exhausted, it would have been worth it.

- Had they not made the trade, that wouldn't have been enough to have a shot.

- Since the Spurs can't catch a break, I wouldn't rule out Leonard's re-signing; making the trade look even worse.

- Even if he bolts, it was still worth it. Opportunities to (pseudo) contend are scarce and should never be passed up. The Celtics were different than the Raptors because they already had the pieces to (pseudo) contend.

- Even you can't be this stupid. The biggest 3 aging out + the Durant signing ended any shot of the Spurs contending. Besides, Cousins won't be anywhere near what he was for minimum this season, if not ever.

- You're missing the point. The Raptors had hit their ceiling. Sure, it'll be difficult to build back to where they were, but aside from the money, the whole point of professional sports is to win a championship(s).

1.Spurs would have beaten them in 2017 if Kawhi didn't get hurt. I have debated this a million times in other threads so I'm not going to beat a dead horse.
2. :lol You have to be pretty stupid to believe a 20-10 all-star bigman in his prime won't be a difference maker for the Warriors. They may not get Cousins at 100 percent but they'll get him around 80 percent and Cousins around 80 percent is still better than the majority of bigs in this league. In the Warriors offensive system with defenses not being able to focus on him it will allow him to create a lot of havoc.
3. Your argument in a nusthell is this was a great move for the Raptors even though they have no chance of beating the Warriors unless one of the Warriors big 4 get injured. I just don't buy into your argument. You will never change my mind but for me if the Raptors don't win a title this year and lose Kawhi next summer then this trade was an epic fail. So lets leave it at that. We have beaten this dead horse a bunch of times and neither of us are going to convince each other.
4. I'm just calling my shots now which is Raptors won't be winning shit this year and Kawhi will ditch them come summertime. If I'm wrong feel free to rub it in. If you feel Kawhi is going to stay with the Raptors then just be man enough to say it. We'll see who is right come July.
5. You can't assume the Raptors would be willing to depart with Derozan come mid season especially if they are having another great season and they are on a pace to win around 57-60 wins. You also have to factor in that Kawhi's demands to go to LA would have become louder every day and it would be very risky for Ujiri to pull that type of move and risk a huge fan backlash. Ujiri can easily sell this trade right now by telling the fans that they have a year to convince Kawhi to stay but I doubt he could sell the idea that they could convince Kawhi to stay just after being there for 3 months.

[TDMVPDPOY]

all i know, former spurs players usually take a shit on the spurs h2h games....

whether its the hatred for patfo or former big3 tosb holding them back fullfilling their potential cause they are down t he pecking order to get minutes...

[Mugen]

Forget a Curry or Durant injury. If Kawhi stays healthy a Warriors/Raptors final would be pretty fucking even. Specially with the Raptors getting HCA, which is pretty possible.

:lol

[DAF86]

:lol

Dude, have you even seen the Raptors play? Serious question.

[YGWHI]

Dude, have you even seen the Raptors play? Serious question.

IMO it's too early for this. C's look weird now but their ceiling -esp in last months of regular season and playoffs- seems way higher than Raptors. We'll see.

[DAF86]

IMO it's too early for this. C's look weird now but their ceiling -esp in last months of regular season and playoffs- seems way higher than Raptors. We'll see.

The Raptors are a 60 wins team that just swapped Kawhi for DeRozan and got Danny Green as cherry on top. They are scary good and deep as fuck. Most likely the deepest team in the entire league.

[HarlemHeat37]

IMO it's too early for this. C's look weird now but their ceiling -esp in last months of regular season and playoffs- seems way higher than Raptors. We'll see.

People seem to ignore that Boston's impressive run in the playoffs was without the cancerous Kyrie..

He doesn't know how to play PG or run a team, they have too many mouths to feed now..

[TDMVPDPOY]

his current form, whose to say he would play like this on the spurs this year if he wasnt traded??

and yes i take him over any midget when the league is going to a 6'8 players league

[HarlemHeat37]

He looks like he did in 2014-2015, but it's too early to believe he's back for good..tiny sample size..

Even if he is back in that form, why should we assume that he would have been the same player in the Spurs' antiquated system?

[JeffDuncan]

Danny is lighter on his feet now without Pop on his back.

[Dverde]

Part of it was getting the deal before uncle Dennis and wide receiver step dad blowing it up.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He looks like he did in 2014-2015, but it's too early to believe he's back for good..tiny sample size..

Even if he is back in that form, why should we assume that he would have been the same player in the Spurs' antiquated system?

Very true. I just feel like in a contract year he was gonna go all out. But the Raptors also have much better playmakers than the Spurs

[Prose]

I live in Toronto, situation is brutal
Interesting bro. I’m in oakville. What about you? What made you a spurs fan

[Fireball]

just watched the condensed game of the raps -- Danny was all over the place ... blocking shots ... raining threes ... happy for him. seems he just needed a new location and motivation.

Kawhi on the other hand can just die imo

[RC_Drunkford]

A HUGE part of Green's decline was because of the ineffective dribble penetration from Parker/Ginobili in recent years. When he is paired with a top point guard, suddenly he is back to his old self. Coincidence? I think not.

Mind boggling that Pop didn't consider this. We have that personell again with Derozan and White once he gets healthy and run a ton of motion offense. Green would be perfect for the starting unit right now

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Interesting bro. I’m in oakville. What about you? What made you a spurs fan

I’m in Vaughan. Grew up a huge David Robinson fan as a kid and it just snowballed from there

How about you?

[SpursDynasty85]

just watched the condensed game of the raps -- Danny was all over the place ... blocking shots ... raining threes ... happy for him. seems he just needed a new location and motivation.

Kawhi on the other hand can just die imo

He had a great start last year too. I think the injury mentioned was definitely a factor like he said.


Contract Danny seems motivated but still he had some mediocre seasons with us recently and he is getting up there in age. We definitely could've used him this year but I'm sure he was a must for the trade to work not only for his expiring but for Kawhi's transition.

[RC_Drunkford]

I still hope he comes back in the offseason when his contract expires. Although we should try to get somebody younger I guess. 3-and-D players are more valuable than ever, especially when they can defend in transition

[TD 21]

Forget a Curry or Durant injury. If Kawhi stays healthy a Warriors/Raptors final would be pretty fucking even. Specially with the Raptors getting HCA, which is pretty possible.

Maybe. Warriors depth is shot. If they can't get a 3 and D wing in the buyout window or Iguodala can't pull an Horry and come alive in the WCF and Finals, their lack of 3 point shooting and wing/perimeter depth, as well as arrogance/fatigue, could prove costly.

Homecourt or not, I'd still favor them though because of the high end talent advantage, which would likely be exacerbated in this hypothetical matchup because Lowry generally wears down throughout the season and is terrible in the playoffs.



1.Spurs would have beaten them in 2017 if Kawhi didn't get hurt. I have debated this a million times in other threads so I'm not going to beat a dead horse.
2. :lol You have to be pretty stupid to believe a 20-10 all-star bigman in his prime won't be a difference maker for the Warriors. They may not get Cousins at 100 percent but they'll get him around 80 percent and Cousins around 80 percent is still better than the majority of bigs in this league. In the Warriors offensive system with defenses not being able to focus on him it will allow him to create a lot of havoc.
3. Your argument in a nusthell is this was a great move for the Raptors even though they have no chance of beating the Warriors unless one of the Warriors big 4 get injured. I just don't buy into your argument. You will never change my mind but for me if the Raptors don't win a title this year and lose Kawhi next summer then this trade was an epic fail. So lets leave it at that. We have beaten this dead horse a bunch of times and neither of us are going to convince each other.
4. I'm just calling my shots now which is Raptors won't be winning shit this year and Kawhi will ditch them come summertime. If I'm wrong feel free to rub it in. If you feel Kawhi is going to stay with the Raptors then just be man enough to say it. We'll see who is right come July.
5. You can't assume the Raptors would be willing to depart with Derozan come mid season especially if they are having another great season and they are on a pace to win around 57-60 wins. You also have to factor in that Kawhi's demands to go to LA would have become louder every day and it would be very risky for Ujiri to pull that type of move and risk a huge fan backlash. Ujiri can easily sell this trade right now by telling the fans that they have a year to convince Kawhi to stay but I doubt he could sell the idea that they could convince Kawhi to stay just after being there for 3 months.

- Not a chance. That had 6 game series written all over it. Spurs were riding the wave of annihilating the Rockets in shorthanded fashion, while the Warriors were a combination of rusty and arrogant.

- You have to be extremely stupid to ignore the history of Achilles tears plus the role he'll play. He won't get the minutes or usage to put up big counting stats. He also has a massive ego and is used to being a ball stopper and sporting a monstrous usage rate. Can, at 28, he deal, in a contract year no less, with mostly being their version of Gasol?

- If you're conceivably one injury away (and they're due) from winning a championship against arguably the most top heavy team ever, that's about as good a position as you can be in right now.

- Ujiri loves attention and wanted to trade DeRozan anyway. He just needed a return he could sell. Even a half season of Leonard would have done the trick. Of course I can't say with certainty that he would have, but the same applies to you.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It sucks to think DG only picks up his game in a year that he's trying to get paid.

[callo1]

A HUGE part of Green's decline was because of the ineffective dribble penetration from Parker/Ginobili in recent years. When he is paired with a top point guard, suddenly he is back to his old self. Coincidence? I think not.

Been saying the same for years now. Spot on.

[koriwhat]

It sucks to think DG only picks up his game in a year that he's trying to get paid.

he did the same prior to the spurs resigning him. sickening tbh.

[dontouchmebwo]

It was EXTREMELY stupid, Green looks the most well rounded I've ever seen him, he can actually put the ball on the floor a bit now. Danny was back to elite role player status the beginning of last year too before he injured his groin and played injured.

[RD2191]

It was EXTREMELY stupid, Green looks the most well rounded I've ever seen him, he can actually put the ball on the floor a bit now. Danny was back to elite role player status the beginning of last year too before he injured his groin and played injured.

Danny needed a change of scenery tbh. His game was getting stale in SA. He'd be the same old shitbag if he were still in SA.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It sucks to think DG only picks up his game in a year that he's trying to get paid.

It's sad, but true

[Hoops Czar]

It was EXTREMELY stupid, Green looks the most well rounded I've ever seen him, he can actually put the ball on the floor a bit now. Danny was back to elite role player status the beginning of last year too before he injured his groin and played injured.
He just recieved a 'get out of Jail' free card. If you would have spent the last 4 years of your playing career in in the coach's personal crapper, you'd be exstatic to get a new lease on life too. Pop isn't living rent free in Danny's mug anymore.

[TDMVPDPOY]

raptors have stacked on alot of lengthy perimeter players, yet why didnt they try to pry one of them, instead got poetl?

[therealtruth]

raptors have stacked on alot of lengthy perimeter players, yet why didnt they try to pry one of them, instead got poetl?

That's exactly what you need to dethrone the Warriors.

[SAGirl]

Danny among the top 10 players in impact in this short season, and Patty in the bottom 10, no kidding. ElNono (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) Chinook
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[ElNono]

Good for Danny. Like I said, he needed that hunger again. Hopefully it lasts.

That said, impact stats that don’t include KD and Lebron are suspect at best, tbh. Probably small sample size...

[Hoops Czar]

Danny among the top 10 players in impact in this short season, and Patty in the bottom 10, no kidding. ElNono (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)
1055501302279614464
Where's Tony Parker.? I thought statistically speaking he was the Worst player in the NBA? Oh look, Manu is no longer here to carry pity around by his jockstrap. I was wrong about 38 year old Manu. Any player that make Pity look like a competent NBA player deserves team MVP.

[SAGirl]

Good for Danny. Like I said, he needed that hunger again. Hopefully it lasts.

That said, impact stats that don’t include KD and Lebron are suspect at best, tbh. Probably small sample size...

to be fair, aside from the small sample size, its a plus/minus thing. It surely favors teams that are winning. I figure Lebron with his loss record is not right now leading in plus/minus.

It's still a positive the Danny has been a huge boost for the Raptors as his impact stats show. If anything him being a throw in, when the trade was already going to be awful for the Spurs is like throwing salt in a wound for me... and that's with me recognizing that Danny was going to have a wondering eye in FA, as it looked like.

Anyways, with the Spurs in a 2-2 record, Paddy being one of the worst players in the league in terms of negative impact is damning for the FO. Dude plays a lot of minutes and closes games too... but sure det one basket against the Lakerzzzzzz

[313]

Rest NBA media>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff McDonald

[313]

It doesn't take a genius to realize trading away your second best wing defender in DG, along with your best wing defender in KL, without getting one in return would be an awful idea. Not to mention letting your third best wing defender in KA walk, without signing anyone to replace him. Even doubling down on Patty for 50m and 4 years to really seal the deal.

The only way this makes sense is if they were planning to tank the next 4 years.

[james evans]

It doesn't take a genius to realize trading away your second best wing defender in DG, along with your best wing defender in KL, without getting one in return would be an awful idea. Not to mention letting your third best wing defender in KA walk, without signing anyone to replace him. Even doubling down on Patty for 50m and 4 years to really seal the deal.

The only way this makes sense is if they were planning to tank the next 4 years.
Either that or Pop is sabotaging the team before he leaves. I just can't think of a good reason why some things, outside of Kawhi btw, have taken place the past couple years. It just makes no sense. Mills over Simmons. Gasol over Dedmond. The even more strange thing is that people are actually debating if Gasol is better than Dedmond at this point in their careers.

[Chinook]

Danny among the top 10 players in impact in this short season, and Patty in the bottom 10, no kidding. ElNono (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)
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Yeah, Danny is playing well. I still expect to see him start slumping within the next month or so. Hopefully for him and the Raptors, he pulls himself out by January like he used to.

[RC_Drunkford]

Either that or Pop is sabotaging the team before he leaves. I just can't think of a good reason why some things, outside of Kawhi btw, have taken place the past couple years. It just makes no sense. Mills over Simmons. Gasol over Dedmond. The even more strange thing is that people are actually debating if Gasol is better than Dedmond at this point in their careers.

Gasol is there cause of his name. Pop didn't want Dedmon on the team because of his attitude. Mills got paid that much because he is the leader in the locker room. Pop is trying to find the Tim Duncan/Big 3 replacement character wise. Cause the way Pop gets on players, it was usually Duncan and later Manu/Parker who after Pop's rant came to the player and told him "Don't worry about it". Once Duncan was gone players either lose confidence or get mad when they are getting yelled at by Pop. So Mills is solely there for the culture. Pop will never trade him. This franchise needs a change of culture. The Duncan culutre clearly doesn't work since Duncan is gone. He was the pillar of that culture. They should've adjusted the culture to Kawhi, but refused to

[TDMVPDPOY]

It doesn't take a genius to realize trading away your second best wing defender in DG, along with your best wing defender in KL, without getting one in return would be an awful idea. Not to mention letting your third best wing defender in KA walk, without signing anyone to replace him. Even doubling down on Patty for 50m and 4 years to really seal the deal.

The only way this makes sense is if they were planning to tank the next 4 years.

this was what made the spurs a contender, that was the perimeter defense...

lol patfo think lma and dd> kawhi team...

[Chillen]

If this Raptors team can stay healthy I don't think Boston is a lock for the Finals. I think this Raptors team can make it to the Finals if they keep this level of play up.

As for the trade Spurs managed to get a pretty good trade out of a bad situation.

In Kawhi they had a player not saying a word and teams thought he was sitting out games on purpose. Also question of how healthy Kawhi was and no team was going to give up the farm on him with all those questions and his unprofessional display of handling wanting out of Spurs.

So yes Spurs did not win that trade but they got a player in DeMar that fits within the Spurs system and could keep this team in the playoffs. So it is what it is, if teams could see Kawhi/Green playing like this Boston would have given up Tatum no doubt.

Kawhi had Spurs in such a bad spot no way they could have won the trade. They probably should have gotten a little more from Raptors now but it's done. Good luck to Kawhi/Green in Toronto.

[Budkin]

Spurs had no chance to get a great trade and they managed to get a pretty good one. Pushed Kawhi into the other conference and got a top scoring guard. Everything was Leonard's fault, nothing the Spurs FO could really do.

This. End of story. Whatever rift happened between Uncle and PATFO, it was too late.

[Hoops Czar]

Danny Green just automatic these days.

[K...]

god damn 4-5 on threes today

[Hoops Czar]

Coming into tonight, Danny Green is shooting 46℅ from three (24/52) and TS% of 62%, both the highest of his career and he was literally a throw-in in the Kawhi trade. :lol

[313]

Coming into tonight, Danny Green is shooting 46℅ from three (24/52) and TS% of 62%, both the highest of his career and he was literally a throw-in in the Kawhi trade. :lolThey even threw in 5mil on top to make salaries match :lol

:lol PATFO

[Hoops Czar]

They even threw in 5mil on top to make salaries match :lol

:lol PATFO

5-8 from three and two blocks... Ho hum, just another day at the office for Green. Pop no longer living rent free in Danny's head.

[slick'81]

They even threw in 5mil on top to make salaries match :lol

:lol PATFO


But hey we got poodle power😂

[HarlemHeat37]

Why do people assume that he would have played the same way with the Spurs?

Clearly he just didn't fit well with this team post-Aldridge for whatever reason..he looks identical to the 2014-2015 version of himself with the Raptors..

[313]

Why do people assume that he would have played the same way with the Spurs?

Clearly he just didn't fit well with this team post-Aldridge for whatever reason..he looks identical to the 2014-2015 version of himself with the Raptors..He didn't fit with the post-MVParker Spurs. He would have gotten a lot more looks with Derozen facilitating and slashing as opposed to Kawhi ISOs.

Add to the fact that he's healthy and on a contract year, safe to assume he wouldn't be too far off.

[YGWHI]

He didn't fit with the post-MVParker Spurs. He would have gotten a lot more looks with Derozen facilitating and slashing as opposed to Kawhi ISOs.

Add to the fact that he's healthy and on a contract year, safe to assume he wouldn't be too far off.

Who knows. Watching the Raptors you would realize that KawhISO is finding Danny for wide open 3's every game.

[YGWHI]

Raptors never seen a player like Danny. They really love him. Many articles about the "best transition defender" with a "lethal 3-point shot"

People here said he wouldnt be able to have success on other team...WRONG.

[313]

Who knows. Watching the Raptors you would realize that KawhISO is finding Danny for wide open 3's every game.
Kawhi is benefiting from playing with MVLowry (raps best player by far)

[YGWHI]

Kawhi is benefiting from playing with MVLowry (raps best player by far)

I guess it's mutual.
Chemistry is not there yet but both players are improving...Lowry played good in other years but this season he's on other level. While Kawhi finally gets plenty of 3's shooters in the lineups to drive and kick

[stu scotts eye]

Its just too easy to guard him with an opposing teams slowest, immobile, defender.

Just cover the 3, force him to dribble and watch with pleasure

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I guess it's mutual.
Chemistry is not there yet but both players are improving...Lowry played good in other years but this season he's on other level. While Kawhi finally gets plenty of 3's shooters in the lineups to drive and kick

Kawhi's is looking like a genius. Honestly. Look at the absolute dumpster fire of a roster in SA compared to the Raptors and it is night and day.

[HarlemHeat37]

He didn't fit with the post-MVParker Spurs. He would have gotten a lot more looks with Derozen facilitating and slashing as opposed to Kawhi ISOs.

Add to the fact that he's healthy and on a contract year, safe to assume he wouldn't be too far off.

Spurs don't emphasize shooting 3s, though, and Aldridge-ball is toxic for supporting players..

[Ice009]

Why do people assume that he would have played the same way with the Spurs?

Clearly he just didn't fit well with this team post-Aldridge for whatever reason..he looks identical to the 2014-2015 version of himself with the Raptors..

This is very true about him not playing the same with the Spurs as opposed to another team like Toronto, but I was also wrong about him as a player. I said he was washed up and wanted him gone, but it appears I was wrong about it. It kind of sucks that he had a groin injury last season as we won't really know if he could have played much better if he was healthy. The Spurs may not have included him in the trade if he played anywhere near like this last season.

Good luck on the season, Danny. You're a good guy.

[slick'81]

This is very true about him not playing the same with the Spurs as opposed to another team like Toronto, but I was also wrong about him as a player. I said he was washed up and wanted him gone, but it appears I was wrong about it. It kind of sucks that he had a groin injury last season as we won't really know if he could have played much better if he was healthy. The Spurs may not have included him in the trade if he played anywhere near like this last season.

Good luck on the season, Danny. You're a good guy.

how the fck do we trade away two starters and only get one back

[HarlemHeat37]

how the fck do we trade away two starters and only get one back

Throwing in an extra 5 mil is the funniest part:lol not that the money matters to the Spurs, but it's the principal..

Still, Spurs did really well overall by getting DeRozan..they could have ended up with Ingram and Kuzma instead:lmao

[Immortal Spur]

Raptors never seen a player like Danny. They really love him. Many articles about the "best transition defender" with a "lethal 3-point shot"

People here said he wouldnt be able to have success on other team...WRONG.
he's a journeyman. he'll flame out there after awhile too once he gets comfortable.

[phxspurfan]

Kawhi's is looking like a genius. Honestly. Look at the absolute dumpster fire of a roster in SA compared to the Raptors and it is night and day.

What are you talking about, the roster is great. Have you seen the Patty Mills and Pau Gasol jerseys in the stands? They're selling like hotcakes. And so are the Whataburgers.

https://preview.ibb.co/n3JYA0/PMH-3500px-0730.jpg

[313]

Spurs don't emphasize shooting 3s, though, and Aldridge-ball is toxic for supporting players..This is true, Toronto is probably one of the best situations a player like him can dream of, but I still think he would be having a great year for us rn


This is very true about him not playing the same with the Spurs as opposed to another team like Toronto, but I was also wrong about him as a player. I said he was washed up and wanted him gone, but it appears I was wrong about it. It kind of sucks that he had a groin injury last season as we won't really know if he could have played much better if he was healthy. The Spurs may not have included him in the trade if he played anywhere near like this last season.

Good luck on the season, Danny. You're a good guy.:lol patfo’s world class medical staff probably honest to god missed the whole groin injury

[phxspurfan]

He didn't fit with the post-MVParker Spurs. He would have gotten a lot more looks with Derozen facilitating and slashing as opposed to Kawhi ISOs.

Add to the fact that he's healthy and on a contract year, safe to assume he wouldn't be too far off.

He needed a change of scenery. New clubs, new women, new city, more 3s. Boom

[Ice009]

Throwing in an extra 5 mil is the funniest part:lol not that the money matters to the Spurs, but it's the principal..

Still, Spurs did really well overall by getting DeRozan..they could have ended up with Ingram and Kuzma instead:lmao

I hope the Lakers regret that for a long, long time.

What do you think of the Raptors chances this season? They looked awesome yesterday even without Kawhi. OG Anunoby and Pascal Siakam are both darn good versatile players that can play both defense and provide a little bit of offense. It sucks that the Spurs weren't able to get one of them.

[phxspurfan]

Still, Spurs did really well overall by getting DeRozan..they could have ended up with Ingram and Kuzma instead:lmao

We would be the Cavs right now with the rest of the Lakers' shit role player castoffs :lol

[Ice009]

We would be the Cavs right now with the rest of the Lakers' shit role player castoffs :lol

Lebron is a terrible GM. Any time he makes big calls on player personnel - whether it was on the Cavs and now on the Lakers, they don't normally turn out well. JR Smith was a throw in in the Knicks trade, so he/they got lucky there. Lebron made a lot of personnel decisions during his first stint in Cleveland and then bailed after it didn't work out. He was the reason behind a lot of those stupid signing/decisions, then had the audacity to leave after implying the Cavs got him no help. No wonder Pat Riley didn't want to give him any control in Miami.

[phxspurfan]

Lebron is a terrible GM. Any time he makes big calls on player personnel - whether it was on the Cavs and now on the Lakers, they don't normally turn out well. JR Smith was a throw in in the Knicks trade, so he/they got lucky there. Lebron made a lot of personnel decisions during his first stint in Cleveland and then bailed after it didn't work out. He was the reason behind a lot of those stupid signing/decisions, then had the audacity to leave after implying the Cavs got him no help. No wonder Pat Riley didn't want to give him any control in Miami.

LeBron was the reason they got KLove and Irving. And then he couldn't integrate KLove/KLove turned out to be a high usage fake, and he couldn't get along with Irving and kept trying to treat him like a scrub, and that whole thing imploded. He is a horrible teammate.

[TD 21]

He didn't fit with the post-MVParker Spurs. He would have gotten a lot more looks with Derozen facilitating and slashing as opposed to Kawhi ISOs.

Add to the fact that he's healthy and on a contract year, safe to assume he wouldn't be too far off.

Exactly . . . and even if he were shooting like he did the previous 3 seasons, it's besdies the point. It should go without saying, but you just don't mindlessly give away 3 and D wings, especially when you have 0 other ones or immediate means with which to get one.

He'd be even more important on this team right now than he was throughout his tenure. The alternatives are what you see now: overextending Cunningham, spot minutes for Pondexter or lineups with zero even pseudo wing defenders, where it's either 3 guards or bigs. Pathetic.

[therealtruth]

The Raptors have the roster the Spurs should have been trying to acquire with long and athletic defenders. That's really your only chance against a team like the Warriors. You're not going to out offense them so you have to junk up their offense and timing with length.

[therealtruth]

Exactly . . . and even if he were shooting like he did the previous 3 seasons, it's besdies the point. It should go without saying, but you just don't mindlessly give away 3 and D wings, especially when you have 0 other ones or immediate means with which to get one.

He'd be even more important on this team right now than he was throughout his tenure. The alternatives are what you see now: overextending Cunningham, spot minutes for Pondexter or lineups with zero even pseudo wing defenders, where it's either 3 guards or bigs. Pathetic.

If Green had stayed Pop would probably still play Belinelli over him. He's finally got a coach that realizes having your 3 and D player on the court for more minutes helps.

[HarlemHeat37]

Patty Mills might have been the Spurs’ preference with three years left on an over-sized contract, while Pau Gasol represented the biggest salary to get out from under. In landing Danny Green in that slot instead, the Raptors accomplished many things. Green had the smallest deal of the bunch at $10 million, and the Spurs kicked in $5 million to boot. Green’s also an expiring contract, so the Raptors had to make no long-term commitment.


As it turns out, Green is also still really, really good.

He’s been one of the Raptors’ most important players so far this year on both ends of the floor. Green ranks eighth in early season Player Impact Plus-Minus (via Jacob Goldstein), one of three Raptors in the top 11 and four in the top 30. As it turns out, the trio of Kyle Lowry, Leonard and Green — coupled with Pascal Siakam and either centre — is pretty deadly. That’s a small sample for an impact stat like PIPM and Green’s multi-year grade isn’t as robust after a down 2017-18, but it’s an encouraging early step forward. The Raptors have a +16.6 net rating with Green on the court, second only to Leonard among regulars.

A large part of this is Green simply shooting well. He’s knocking down 46.8 percent of nearly six 3-point attempts per-game


It’s his block rate that really stands out — Green is averaging a block per-game, turning away 2.6 percent of opponent 2-point attempts while he’s on the floor. Somehow, this is down from last year and only right in line with Green’s career mark. Guards who stand 6-foot-6 aren’t supposed to block shots like this. In fact, Green has the second-best block percentage of all-time for a player listed at 6-foot-6 or shorter


This isn’t just piling up counting stats. Opponents are shooting just 44.1 percent inside of six feet with Green defending, making him the league’s leading saver of points defending in that area so far (again, via Jacob Goldstein).


“I think we all knew he was good but he’s really good,” Nurse said. “Like, he’s like an A-plus in a lot of categories. He’s a leader, he’s a great locker room guy, he’s got a really awesome character that everybody gravitates too, and then he makes a lot of threes and goes out and tries to guard. He’s really smart. One thing that really surprised me, I didn’t know he could chase people down from behind and block shots off the backboard, so that’s a really nice pleasant surprise, a nice addition.”

https://theathletic.com/611270/2018/11/01/the-art-of-transition-defence-danny-green-on-timing-reading-and-rhythm/

[Chinook]

It could have been worse, as the early reports had the Spurs giving up the pick instead of Toronto.

Ujuri styled on PATFO with this trade. There's no other way to cut it. It's actually rather unfair to DeRozan, because DeMar is a really good player. He's doing all he can to give SA value for the trade. It's just not enough, though.

[RC_Drunkford]

been the best transition defender in the NBA for a few years now. Also the best shotblocker among SGs. We all knew giving them Green and getting Poeltl was making the trade unfair

[therealtruth]

The Spurs got Kawhi'd. It's a reverse of that Indiana trade that gave them Kawhi. George Hill or DD are good players but they're no Kawhi. Then you throw in DG. Ujiri took advantage of PATFO. Maybe why they don't try to do too many trades.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

This trade is looking more and more lopsided by the day. Pop got taken to the wooodshed

[HarlemHeat37]

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[TDomination]

i really really really hate that Danny green got traded. i would've rather sent kawhi to the lakers if it meant not getting rid of danny.

we just screwed ourselves so bad getting rid of our best defender outside of kawhi.

[spursparker9]

Danny will regress after he signed his new contract this off-season

[r0drig0lac]

Danny will regress after he signed his new contract this off-season

unfortunately spursfans (myself included) are living on hopes like this in every way this season

[Hoops Czar]

i really really really hate that Danny green got traded. i would've rather sent kawhi to the lakers if it meant not getting rid of danny.

we just screwed ourselves so bad getting rid of our best defender outside of kawhi.

No, It just means Danny Green would be a Laker instead of a Raptor.

[Fusternino]

No, It just means Danny Green would be a Laker instead of a Raptor.

Why? Lakers could've matched $20M easily-no need for the Spurs to match $30M.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Biggest face palm trade in spurs history

[Mugen]

While giving up Danny was obviously extremely retarded and I disagree that the trade could have been any worse (if RC had given up a pick instead of receiving one then he should have just been fired immediately), Danny would absolutely be trash on this year's roster.

We have nowhere near the playmakers that Toronto has and Nurse has already put in place a better system than Pop 15 games into his coaching career.

Knowing current Pop, Danny would have been relegated to Bryn's water boy this year even if he hadn't been traded out.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

While giving up Danny was obviously extremely retarded and I disagree that the trade could have been any worse (if RC had given up a pick instead of receiving one then he should have just been fired immediately), Danny would absolutely be trash on this year's roster.

We have nowhere near the playmakers that Toronto has and Nurse has already put in place a better system than Pop 15 games into his coaching career.

Knowing current Pop, Danny would have been relegated to Bryn's water boy this year even if he hadn't been traded out.

We still could have used him defensively, and last time he was in a contract year with us he balled out like crazy. I know we don't have as many playmakers but it was still a dumb move.

[John B]

While giving up Danny was obviously extremely retarded and I disagree that the trade could have been any worse (if RC had given up a pick instead of receiving one then he should have just been fired immediately), Danny would absolutely be trash on this year's roster.

We have nowhere near the playmakers that Toronto has and Nurse has already put in place a better system than Pop 15 games into his coaching career.

Knowing current Pop, Danny would have been relegated to Bryn's water boy this year even if he hadn't been traded out.
Idk but defensive guard is what we mostly need right now to slow down Rooks (Curry), Thompson, Jrue, DJ, Fourtnier and whoever Clipper guards were. I’m okay with our big defense, Gay on Durant last night, LMA 15 boards, Poeltl getting better. Agreed when Murray/LW4/Huestis get back and White getting better (I don’t doubt it) Green would be the odd man. But for now we could use a lot of his defense. But I’m starting to like Poeltl in return since we will be heavy on defensive guards/sf next year.

[timtonymanu]

While giving up Danny was obviously extremely retarded and I disagree that the trade could have been any worse (if RC had given up a pick instead of receiving one then he should have just been fired immediately), Danny would absolutely be trash on this year's roster.

We have nowhere near the playmakers that Toronto has and Nurse has already put in place a better system than Pop 15 games into his coaching career.

Knowing current Pop, Danny would have been relegated to Bryn's water boy this year even if he hadn't been traded out.

This. I'm sure "Danny League" would have still be around in the antiquated system.

[8FOR!3]

DG fits much better on Toronto than he would on this team and I think he's more motivated and needed a change of scenery. Of course on paper we could absolutely use him and would be better, but we wanted the turnover and he wasn't going to be a long term piece at the 2 anymore anyways bc of his age and us drafting Lonnie Walker so I'm assuming we were going to let him walk after the season. I could also argue that defensively Murray would have probably played the Green role this year and he would've probably done it better than Green can at this point. I'm not sure all of that is valid but I somewhat understand why we did what we did.

[SAGirl]

unfortunately spursfans (myself included) are living on hopes like this in every way this season
some spurfans.. not all obviously, will make any excuse for PATFO. It's a waste of time, but could Danny have been better than the entire guard roation outside of derozan this year? yes. He also could play some SF minutes if you needed him to. bleh.

One gets tired of chiming in the same things.

[SAGirl]

While giving up Danny was obviously extremely retarded and I disagree that the trade could have been any worse (if RC had given up a pick instead of receiving one then he should have just been fired immediately), Danny would absolutely be trash on this year's roster.

We have nowhere near the playmakers that Toronto has and Nurse has already put in place a better system than Pop 15 games into his coaching career.

Knowing current Pop, Danny would have been relegated to Bryn's water boy this year even if he hadn't been traded out.

A reasonable opinion unfortunately. He played injured last year so I think he would have definitely been better than last year regardless... but the Pop at 70 yrs of age is definitely not beyond riding Forbes, Mills and Marco and destroying Danny's confidence getting in his face for a mistake while Patty does cartwheels on the floor. :lol

[SAGirl]

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He grew his balls back.

One wonders what got him neutered in the Spurs... :lol

He definitely was injured last seaspn tho. It's not just that he said it, he looked injured in many games.

[RD2191]

DG fits much better on Toronto than he would on this team and I think he's more motivated and needed a change of scenery. Of course on paper we could absolutely use him and would be better, but we wanted the turnover and he wasn't going to be a long term piece at the 2 anymore anyways bc of his age and us drafting Lonnie Walker so I'm assuming we were going to let him walk after the season. I could also argue that defensively Murray would have probably played the Green role this year and he would've probably done it better than Green can at this point. I'm not sure all of that is valid but I somewhat understand why we did what we did.

That would make sense if our 2 best current players weren't 30+. patfo got absolutely fleeced in the Kawhi trade. I did my fair share of hating on DG but the dude is obviously missed. Patfo fucked up big time.

[8FOR!3]

That would make sense if our 2 best current players weren't 30+. patfo got absolutely fleeced in the Kawhi trade. I did my fair share of hating on DG but the dude is obviously missed. Patfo fucked up big time.

Dude DDR just turned 29 a few months ago. There’s a good chance trading Danny instead of Mills/Gasol was the difference in landing DDR instead of a Fultz/Ingram/Kuzma type player. And I do think the Poeltl addition is understated right now bc of his struggles early on

[Rusty]

He probably got tired of Popovich yelling at him everyday. No wonder he played like shit these past few years

[Hoops Czar]

He probably got tired of Popovich yelling at him everyday. No wonder he played like shit these past few years
Pop literally pulled him :30 seconds into a game for making a mistake. Meanwhile, Paddy can make nonstop mistakes for 30 minutes without repercussions. Pop no longer living rent free in Danny's head.

[TDMVPDPOY]

He probably got tired of Popovich yelling at him everyday. No wonder he played like shit these past few years

either that or bricking shots away from enrique

[ismael-robert]

Plus-Minus Players of the Week

Mr. Plus: Danny Green (TOR) was a plus-62 in four games last week.
Mr. Minus: Derrick White (SAS) was a minus-71 in four games last week.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Plus-Minus Players of the Week

Mr. Plus: Danny Green (TOR) was a plus-62 in four games last week.
Mr. Minus: Derrick White (SAS) was a minus-71 in four games last week.

:lmao

[Fusternino]

Hits the game-winner.

Wow!

[RC_Drunkford]

He just hit the game winner for the Raptors against Orlando. It was a midrange shot

[gambit1990]

just saw the last 2.3 seconds of the game.