*** Official 2019-2020 Dallas Cowboys Thread ***

[Mark Celibate]

idk we washed our hands of Murray who took a huge paycheck to go to a division rival and fail spectacularly

Jerruh has a good track record of drafting quality running backs, so I wouldn't be surprised if tells Zeke to eat a dick.

The Rams set the league back a few years giving Todd Gurley all that money...


you're not wrong, but Chip Kelly was a failure in the NFL and it's no secret that his system was terrible for Murray as evidenced by his mini-resurgence in Tennessee.

Besides that, there's a few other factors that play against Dallas this go around. Back then we had Romo who could atleast make shitty teams competitive whereas Dak struggled without Zeke in 2017. This team really needs that running game to get going or else they're not even a .500 team. Also, our offensive line had an aura of invincibility back then which isn't there anymore. That was the main reason Jerruh told Murray to get lost. They're basically throwing away next season, which is risky considering they only have a 2-3 year window right now.


On your last point, I'm shocked the Rams gave Gurley all that money considering he was outplayed by CJ Anders:loln in the postseason. Instead, the Cowboys running game was a mess whenever Elliott would leave the field

[Chris]

you're not wrong, but Chip Kelly was a failure in the NFL and it's no secret that his system was terrible for Murray as evidenced by his mini-resurgence in Tennessee.

Besides that, there's a few other factors that play against Dallas this go around. Back then we had Romo who could atleast make shitty teams competitive whereas Dak struggled without Zeke in 2017. This team really needs that running game to get going or else they're not even a .500 team. Also, our offensive line had an aura of invincibility back then which isn't there anymore. That was the main reason Jerruh told Murray to get lost. They're basically throwing away next season, which is risky considering they only have a 2-3 year window right now.


On your last point, I'm shocked the Rams gave Gurley all that money considering he was outplayed by CJ Anders:loln in the postseason. Instead, the Cowboys running game was a mess whenever Elliott would leave the field

Chip Kelly ran a terrible offense for Murray with all those shotgun snaps :lol I think Murray was unable to stay healthy in the long run which is a good argument for not giving these running backs big money when they decide to start acting like Wide Receiver divas. (Dez) I think it's too early to compare Romo to Dak imo so I'm going to give him a pass there on the small sample status .500 w/o Zeke. Frederick, our center, is back and healthy - I think our offensive line will be a beast probably top 3 in the league.

Gurley is another RB who appears to have trouble staying healthy so the contract makes even less sense.

Give credit to Dak for playing every game and we also have war veteran Witten to lead the charge :tu

[SpursforSix]

On your last point, I'm shocked the Rams gave Gurley all that money considering he was outplayed by CJ Anders:loln in the postseason. Instead, the Cowboys running game was a mess whenever Elliott would leave the field

They gave that contract to Gurley long before that happened.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Rico Gathers officially waived.


Patriots' next great tight end is officially on the market, boys.

[Chris]

Rico Gathers officially waived.

Good he was terrible :lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/1158890353706930176?s=20

Cobb makes us a contender imo

[Chris]

Zeke is on the books for two more seasons and they can franchise tag him for 2 more after that if I'm not mistaken.

This is bullshit.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/undisputed/status/1159222602277109762?s=20

[Millennial_Messiah]

If Elliott is out all year I revise my prediction for Dallas to 3-13. All 3 division wins, two vs the Giants and one vs the Redskins.

[RD2191]

Jerruh is such a fucking piece of shit. Old bastard won't win shit ever again.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Robert Quinn suspended first 2 games of the regular season for steroids.

Cowboys' DLine looks a lot like the mash unit up front that the Seahawks had at the beginning of the 2013 regular season when Michael Bennett, Bruce Irvin and Cliff Avril all started the season suspended that year.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Jerruh is such a fucking piece of shit. Old bastard won't win shit ever again.

Jerruh? How is it his fault that Zeke is being a greedy, zero-humility, primadonna bitch? Especially considering his baggage, he has zero leg to stand on.


The only player of the "big 3" that actually deserves a hefty contract is Cooper. Of the other two, one is a diva with alarming baggage and the other is the definition of league average with a low ceiling.

[Chris]

Finish out your fucking contract. You signed that shit.

[RD2191]

Jerruh? How is it his fault that Zeke is being a greedy, zero-humility, primadonna bitch? Especially considering his baggage, he has zero leg to stand on.


The only player of the "big 3" that actually deserves a hefty contract is Cooper. Of the other two, one is a diva with alarming baggage and the other is the definition of league average with a low ceiling.

Because he's a fucking retard, the boys have been a shitshow for 20+ years and all of a sudden he's a conservative GM? :lol

[Sir Johnny]

A GREAT RB can average 4.9 a bad RB 3.9.

Any EB who starred in HS, at the NCAA level and gets drafted can play. That is all a team needs in the NFL. You don't need a GREAT RB to win in the NFL that is a proven fact.

Trade the guy.

[Sir Johnny]

A GREAT RB can average 4.9 a bad RB 3.9.

Any RB who starred in HS, at the NCAA level and gets drafted can play. That is all a team needs in the NFL. You don't need a GREAT RB to win in the NFL that is a proven fact.

Trade the guy.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Finish out your fucking contract. You signed that shit.

Agreed. Especially in the case of zeke. 2 years left? wtf.

[Millennial_Messiah]

A GREAT RB can average 4.9 a bad RB 3.9.

Any RB who starred in HS, at the NCAA level and gets drafted can play. That is all a team needs in the NFL. You don't need a GREAT RB to win in the NFL that is a proven fact.

Trade the guy.
yup.

[SpursforSix]

yup.

Who's gonna give up anything of value for Zeke? I bet the most they could get for him is a 2nd rounder. Maybe not even that.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Who's gonna give up anything of value for Zeke? I bet the most they could get for him is a 2nd rounder. Maybe not even that.

Dak - 2020 2nd and 2021 1st and 2nd

Zeke - late 2019 1st (Chiefs need a RB1 badly) or an early to mid 2nd.

[SpursforSix]

Dak - 2020 2nd and 2021 1st and 2nd

Zeke - late 2019 1st (Chiefs need a RB1 badly) or an early to mid 2nd.

The Chiefs are one of the least likely teams to pony up the money that Zeke wants.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The Chiefs are one of the least likely teams to pony up the money that Zeke wants.

who cares? they're in win now mode at all costs and they don't have a viable starting running back on the roster. Cannon arm Mahomes is fine but who's going to pick up 3rd & 1's on a consistent basis? Green Bay has had a similar problem for awhile.

[SpursforSix]

who cares? they're in win now mode at all costs and they don't have a viable starting running back on the roster. Cannon arm Mahomes is fine but who's going to pick up 3rd & 1's on a consistent basis? Green Bay has had a similar problem for awhile.

They don't need an elite RB with that system. I don't think they even have the cap space going forward for what Zeke wants. They're still paying Sammy Watkins for god's sake.
If they believed they truly needed an elite back going forward, they would have just dealt with Hunt's situation.

You just think of dumb shit in your head and throw it out there.

[leemajors]

I think Zeke deserves to get paid and the rookie pay scale is bullshit. Of course I want him in camp and on the field as soon as possible, but I don't begrudge him trying to use the little leverage he has.

[Millennial_Messiah]

They don't need an elite RB with that system. I don't think they even have the cap space going forward for what Zeke wants. They're still paying Sammy Watkins for god's sake.
If they believed they truly needed an elite back going forward, they would have just dealt with Hunt's situation.

You just think of dumb shit in your head and throw it out there.
Watkins is an atrocious contract for a slot receiver who plays 8 games a year.

[SpursforSix]

Watkins is an atrocious contract for a slot receiver who plays 8 games a year.

Terrible contact.

By the way, he's not a slot receiver.

You know you can look all this shit up don't you?

[spurraider21]

Terrible contact.

By the way, he's not a slot receiver.

You know you can look all this shit up don't you?
plus he's never played less than 8 games in a year

[Chris]

Not showing up to work after you signed a contract doesn't work anywhere else. Why do these faggots get a pass because some greedy agent wants more money?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Terrible contact.

By the way, he's not a slot receiver.

You know you can look all this shit up don't you?

By what standards? He played the majority of his snaps last year in the slot, and he misses significant amounts of games every year dating back to his early Buffalo years. The Chiefs wisely moved him to the slot after understanding that he's way too small, weak, and lanky to be an X receiver, and they already have an elite Z receiver in Hill. So Conley and others play the X role and Watkins almost exclusively plays "Y" in KC.

[Rosewood]

Not showing up to work after you signed a contract doesn't work anywhere else. Why do these faggots get a pass because some greedy agent wants more money? It's fucking baffling man.

[SpursforSix]

By what standards? He played the majority of his snaps last year in the slot, and he misses significant amounts of games every year dating back to his early Buffalo years. The Chiefs wisely moved him to the slot after understanding that he's way too small, weak, and lanky to be an X receiver, and they already have an elite Z receiver in Hill. So Conley and others play the X role and Watkins almost exclusively plays "Y" in KC.

Ok...tell me...why do you say he played the majority of snaps in the slot? Show me some data other than “whenever I watched, he was in the slot”.

I’ll bet you that Hill was in the slot a greater % than Watkins.

[LkrFan]

We need a kicker. Sooner rather than later Jerry. Chop chop.

[clambake]

they need zeke, amari, and a quarterback.

[spurraider21]

:lmao Prescott wants 40 mil per

[Blake]

:lmao Prescott wants 40 mil per

The cowboys just might be stupid enough to give it to him

[Holden_Caulfield]

i guess those yogurt commercials doesnt pay enough

[Robz4000]

:lol he isn't even worth a quarter of that

[spurraider21]

:lol he isn't even worth a quarter
fify

[chunticakes]

I like Prescott. He's a boujee bus driver. A rich man's Tim Tebow. With that in mind, I let him test the waters this free agency. Now way anyone pays him over 30.

[Millennial_Messiah]

LTTP but.... :lmao .....hit the road Quack. Maybe Miami pays him that much next year after we tag and trade him there for a 1st and two 2nds and a 4th

[Millennial_Messiah]

The cowboys just might be stupid enough to give it to him

If they do I'll root for the eagles until the contract is over

[Sir Johnny]

Prescott is a middler of the pack QB, how he doesn't see that...? When te players voted for the top 100 players, yep....no Prescott.

The guy isn't worth 30 mill much less 40 which is just yard saling it, ya want 3 ask for 5.

I can name 15 QB's better than Dak Prescott.

He had a 96.9 passer rating in 2018, there were 12 QB's superior to that.

[look_at_g_shred]

Prescott is a middler of the pack QB, how he doesn't see that...? When te players voted for the top 100 players, yep....no Prescott.

The guy isn't worth 30 mill much less 40 which is just yard saling it, ya want 3 ask for 5.

I can name 15 QB's better than Dak Prescott.

He had a 96.9 passer rating in 2018, there were 12 QB's superior to that.
Mahomes
Watson
Rogers
Wentz
Luck
Goff
Brees
Brady
Newton
Wilson
Rivers
Ben
Stafford
Mayfield
Ice Man
Cousins

Potential to be better this year:
Murray
Josh Stallion
Tru-Biscuits
Foles
Flacco
Darnold
Carr
Gucci Garroppolo
Winston

[Millennial_Messiah]

Mahomes
Watson
Rogers
Wentz
Luck
Goff
Brees
Brady
Newton
Wilson
Rivers
Ben
Stafford
Mayfield
Ice Man
Cousins

Potential to be better this year:
Murray
Josh Stallion
Tru-Biscuits
Foles
Flacco
Darnold
Carr
Gucci Garroppolo
Winston

Watson is overrated, but I generally agree with this post. I would put Carr, Garoppolo, Flacco above Watson and Prescott. Winston and Allen are raw sewage.

[DJR210]

:lmao Prescott wants 40 mil per


The cowboys just might be stupid enough to give it to him


I like Prescott. He's a boujee bus driver. A rich man's Tim Tebow. With that in mind, I let him test the waters this free agency. Now way anyone pays him over 30.

Dan Patrick is reporting that the Cowboys themselves leaked the story of the ridiculous contract demand to ensure the fan base stays on the team's side.. Today, coincidentally enough, the team's official Instagram posted video of Dak blowing some easy ass slant route that should have been picked by Jourdan Lewis..

I think Dallas is seriously tired of failing over sorry contracts and I really expect them to hardball this one out with both their QB and RB.. if Dak takes this team to a Super Bowl win and has the stats to back up his demand surely Jerry is gonna take care of him, but if he can't put the team on his back with this many good young players on both sides of the ball, then he surely isn't going to do it when they give him such a large portion of the salary cap and his supporting cast takes a hit because talented players were cap casualties

30 million even for a QB who's best skills aren't pass related makes zero sense. For me, Dak has proven he is a natural leader, has shown he is clutch, can run the ball and absorb a hit.. all while remaining durable.. But last year he also proved he CANNOT hit the open man on the deep route, and he struggled even putting screen passes on the money. He needs to improve tremendously this year.

I mean, we're talking about a guy that couldn't even connect on a high five last year, let alone a wide open Michael Gallup..

https://media.giphy.com/media/PlfZo4O4mzwXWn8O7E/giphy.gif

[chunticakes]

Dan Patrick is reporting that the Cowboys themselves leaked the story of the ridiculous contract demand to ensure the fan base stays on the team's side.. Today, coincidentally enough, the team's official Instagram posted video of Dak blowing some easy ass slant route that should have been picked by Jourdan Lewis..

I think Dallas is seriously tired of failing over sorry contracts and I really expect them to hardball this one out with both their QB and RB.. if Dak takes this team to a Super Bowl win and has the stats to back up his demand surely Jerry is gonna take care of him, but if he can't put the team on his back with this many good young players on both sides of the ball, then he surely isn't going to do it when they give him such a large portion of the salary cap and his supporting cast takes a hit because talented players were cap casualties

30 million even for a QB who's best skills aren't pass related makes zero sense. For me, Dak has proven he is a natural leader, has shown he is clutch, can run the ball and absorb a hit.. all while remaining durable.. But last year he also proved he CANNOT hit the open man on the deep route, and he struggled even putting screen passes on the money. He needs to improve tremendously this year.

I mean, we're talking about a guy that couldn't even connect on a high five last year, let alone a wide open Michael Gallup..

https://media.giphy.com/media/PlfZo4O4mzwXWn8O7E/giphy.gif

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[SpursforSix]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

That just gave me an idea for a new product for football players.
Ok...so...players gloves with a picture of a battered woman on the palm?

[Millennial_Messiah]

That just gave me an idea for a new product for football players.
Ok...so...players gloves with a picture of a battered woman on the palm?

Tempura or egg batter? Damn dude, don't make me hungry like that.

[chunticakes]

Tempura or egg batter? Damn dude, don't make me hungry like that.

Bend over, I'll fuckin give ya egg batter.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bend over, I'll fuckin give ya egg batter.

Faggotry

[SpursforSix]

Faggotry

Bend over, I'll fuckin show you faggotry.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bend over, I'll fuckin show you faggotry.

Faggot

[Mark Celibate]

:lol Prescott still missing Gallup on the go route. He underthrew it and it was only complete after Gallup had to comeback and make a great play over a Rams backup corner

[clambake]

they need a qb

[Sir Johnny]

Where were the Lions with Barry Sanders?

What did the Vikings do with Adrian Peterson?

You don't win because of running backs.

The amazing Gale Sayers Bears never did shit.

Every RB in the NFL can average 4.0 a carry behind that Dallas Line and most can catch a pass. That is all any team needs.

Trade him.

[Sir Johnny]

Since Dak is iinvolved....

We could see....

Dak Cowboys
Wilson Seahawks
Winston Buc's
Cam Panthers
Haskins Redskins
Murray Cards
Watson Texans
Jackson Ravens
Mahomes Chiefs
Bissett Cots

Start in week one, that has to be a record for black QB;s on opening day.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Prescott still missing Gallup on the go route. He underthrew it and it was only complete after Gallup had to comeback and make a great play over a Rams backup corner

Like I said since a long time, Gallup is special. He's going to be a top 10-ish receiver very soon. It doesn't mean you have to trade Cooper; that's a good problem to have two elite outside WRs. The issue is that the Cowboys really need an elite QB if they're going to pay a QB 30+ million annually.

The idea is to go all in this year with what we have (getting Cooper and Zeke locked up in the process), franchise Dak, look for a suitor, hopefully get a 1st round pick for him, roll into 2020 with Cooper Rush/Mike White as your starting QB tandem, hopefully finish near last in the NFL next year due to godawful QB play and draft Trevor Lawrence.

[djohn2oo8]

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[FrostKing]

1163516117870141440
National Feelings League


Muh kneeling
Muh helmet
Muh jokes

[DJR210]

:lol Prescott still missing Gallup on the go route. He underthrew it and it was only complete after Gallup had to comeback and make a great play over a Rams backup corner

:lol I said the exact same shit.. Fucking terrible throw.. and this clown is the reason our Owner and best back in the league are now in a relationship that could go south in a hurry..

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol I said the exact same shit.. Fucking terrible throw.. and this clown is the reason our Owner and best back in the league are now in a relationship that could go south in a hurry..

Like I said... Play out the year with Prescott on current deal... Tag and Trade Dak next spring... Play Rush/White next year... Draft Trevor Lawrence in '21.

[Chris]

Disrespectful is quitting on the team when you got 2 years left on your contract. Looks like Jerruh isn't going to budge and good on him for it.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Disrespectful is quitting on the team when you got 2 years left on your contract. Looks like Jerruh isn't going to budge and good on him for it.

I wouldn't either, but I'd budge on him before I'd budge on Quack. I don't care if he shows up on time, that he's a better guy than Zeke and more humble, etc. but regardless of position, if the option is to pay long-term the 19th best player in the league at his position $30M+ a year <<OR>> to pay the BEST player in the league at his position $15M a year, I'm going with the latter 10 times out of 10.

[Chris]

I wouldn't either, but I'd budge on him before I'd budge on Quack. I don't care if he shows up on time, that he's a better guy than Zeke and more humble, etc. but regardless of position, if the option is to pay long-term the 19th best player in the league at his position $30M+ a year <<OR>> to pay the BEST player in the league at his position $15M a year, I'm going with the latter 10 times out of 10.

Zeke should just fire his agent and throw him under the bus. Then he can come back hat in hand.

[MultiTroll]

Enjoyed seeing the ole raisin give a jab to Zeke.

[Blake]

National Feelings League


Muh kneeling
Muh helmet
Muh jokes

"Muh favorite forum"

[Chris]

https://i.imgur.com/tHlN8qo.gif

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/1163930414106533888?s=20

Priorities :tu

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/1163934724676554752?s=20

Haymakers :tu

[Millennial_Messiah]

12.8M/year is slightly more than what Kuechly is getting, but Kuechly signed his deal a long time ago, and Smith's deal is a bargain compared to the Mosley's and Barr's of the world. And the Wagner contract... zomg. This is a relative hometown discount.

54/55 are going to patrol the middle of the defense for a loooooooooooooooong time

[spurraider21]

if smith stays on the field, he should be worth that kind of money.

but they should absolutely play hardball with dak. cant believe that dude is actually looking for 40 :lol

with zeke... its tough man. he's their best offensive player right now, maybe besides zack martin, but its sad business for running backs. they tend to break down first, so it doesnt make sense to give him another 4-5 years. they still control him on his rookie deal for another 2 seasons, and then can tag him. he doesnt really have leverage to be holding out right now

[Millennial_Messiah]

if smith stays on the field, he should be worth that kind of money.

but they should absolutely play hardball with dak. cant believe that dude is actually looking for 40 :lol

with zeke... its tough man. he's their best offensive player right now, maybe besides zack martin, but its sad business for running backs. they tend to break down first, so it doesnt make sense to give him another 4-5 years. they still control him on his rookie deal for another 2 seasons, and then can tag him. he doesnt really have leverage to be holding out right now

Smith actually isn't an injury prone player. He has had a grand total of 1 injury since middle school, albeit a really severe one, but not one he didn't ultimately overcome. He's not in the Sean Lee or Luke Kuechly or Jordan Hicks mold of injury prone.

I would love for Stephen, Jerry, Will and company to have the balls to play out Prescott this year and then tag him, and consider looking for suitors before the draft if someone is willing to throw a mid-late 1st at him (maybe a team like Pittsburgh? LAC? Patriots? Saints? a team with an aging great QB but nobody will trade a top 10 pick for him most likely). Prescott just is simply put a league average starting QB and one of the least talented starters on a talented starting 23. (I consider SLB and NCB to both be starters in today's NFL.)

As for Zeke, he does have quite a bit of leverage in one sense; the Cowboys aren't winning many games without him as currently constructed. If the QB was Mahomes or Rodgers or Luck or Wentz then maybe yes, but it's not. Without Zeke the Cowboys will be forced to win a bunch of 13-10 type games (like the Saints win last year) where the defense dominates and holds even though they're out on the field the majority of the game. Not really a winning formula long term and could get some of your defensive stars injured at some point. Cowboys have a top 3 defense as currently constructed and they're all young for the most part. The best complement to a great defense is a great running game, look at Seattle in 12-14 and the Bears of the mid-80s. Building your offense on the pass when you have a great defense seems to make your defense less effective because they have to be out there a majority of the game which isn't good. See the LA Chargers.

[DJR210]

if smith stays on the field, he should be worth that kind of money.

but they should absolutely play hardball with dak. cant believe that dude is actually looking for 40 :lol

with zeke... its tough man. he's their best offensive player right now, maybe besides zack martin, but its sad business for running backs. they tend to break down first, so it doesnt make sense to give him another 4-5 years. they still control him on his rookie deal for another 2 seasons, and then can tag him. he doesnt really have leverage to be holding out right now

The problem is the flawed system the NFL has in place for RB's considering today's RB lifespan.. To take a 1st round RB with both parties knowing that the rookie deal is already the majority of that potential lifespan makes no sense for the player.. Signing them to a lucrative deal before ever playing a down in the league makes no sense for the team.

The NFL needs to come up with a system similar to the NBA to allow teams to go over the cap to keep their own guys they draft without any penalty. The Cowboys should not be penalized for drafting well with the majority of the last 5 years of picks. Every new deal that comes out is basically setting the market, it makes no sense that the rules aren't adjusting with inflation of salaries.

[DJR210]

Glad to see Jerry has really bought into the team's current philosophy. Let him worry about business, and let Stephen and Will handle personnel. I would love to keep the best RB in football, but if he isn't interested in "sharing the pie" for the sake of winning rings, then fuck him, wouldn't bother me to see him traded. As long as the Cowboys get some good picks in return from a non-contender it will only make the team deeper in the next few years.

I really hope the rookie plays well.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The problem is the flawed system the NFL has in place for RB's considering today's RB lifespan.. To take a 1st round RB with both parties knowing that the rookie deal is already the majority of that potential lifespan makes no sense for the player.. Signing them to a lucrative deal before ever playing a down in the league makes no sense for the team.

The NFL needs to come up with a system similar to the NBA to allow teams to go over the cap to keep their own guys they draft without any penalty. The Cowboys should not be penalized for drafting well with the majority of the last 5 years of picks. Every new deal that comes out is basically setting the market, it makes no sense that the rules aren't adjusting with inflation of salaries.
OKC Thunder had the same problem in '12, so yes it happens in basketball

[spurraider21]

The problem is the flawed system the NFL has in place for RB's considering today's RB lifespan.. To take a 1st round RB with both parties knowing that the rookie deal is already the majority of that potential lifespan makes no sense for the player.. Signing them to a lucrative deal before ever playing a down in the league makes no sense for the team.

The NFL needs to come up with a system similar to the NBA to allow teams to go over the cap to keep their own guys they draft without any penalty. The Cowboys should not be penalized for drafting well with the majority of the last 5 years of picks. Every new deal that comes out is basically setting the market, it makes no sense that the rules aren't adjusting with inflation of salaries.
agreed. its fucked up. the previous system was getting out of hand though, with unproven rookies demanding tens of millions of guaranteed deals. though now, having a good qb on a rookie deal is the surefire way for a team to be good. its an imbalanced system

[DJR210]

agreed. its fucked up. the previous system was getting out of hand though, with unproven rookies demanding tens of millions of guaranteed deals. though now, having a good qb on a rookie deal is the surefire way for a team to be good. its an imbalanced system

I'm perfectly happy with Zeke becoming Barry 2.0 tbh. Cowherd today apparently alluded to that possibility as well on his shitty ass radio show.

I'm glad Jerry is taking this stance because athletes in general got things backwards these days. I honestly feel that LeBron started this whole problem with players trying to run the show. He's been running franchises behind the scenes since he left Cleveland the first time, and his comments about owning "slaves" really started a new standard for both leagues. Somebody needs to remind these guys that it's a privilege to play professional sports even if they have elite talent.

[DJR210]

OKC Thunder had the same problem in '12, so yes it happens in basketball

OKC had 3 major stars, Durant and Westbrook were farther ahead in their development.. the didn't want to pay Harden. They probably didn't see him becoming an MVP candidate. We're talking about players within the top 5-20 at their position here with Dallas that are still proving to be an issue to sign.. Cooper is not a top 5 receiver, Dak is not a top 10 QB, vs Zeke who is the top player at his position.. Players like Cooper and Dak should not be causing a ripple effect that forces them to take a stance like they are with Zeke, there needs to be some type of incentive or some relief to help teams in this case.

Bottom line, you don't penalize the team that builds through the draft.

[Millennial_Messiah]

OKC had 3 major stars, Durant and Westbrook were farther ahead in their development.. the didn't want to pay Harden. They probably didn't see him becoming an MVP candidate. We're talking about players within the top 5-20 at their position here with Dallas that are still proving to be an issue to sign.. Cooper is not a top 5 receiver, Dak is not a top 10 QB, vs Zeke who is the top player at his position.. Players like Cooper and Dak should not be causing a ripple effect that forces them to take a stance like they are with Zeke, there needs to be some type of incentive or some relief to help teams in this case.

Bottom line, you don't penalize the team that builds through the draft.
Cooper is definitely top 10 and will likely rise to top 5 status in very short order because Julio, AB, AJG etc are all over 30.

Agree 100% on Quack. He's not even top 15 and is only arguably top 20. I'm franchise tagging him next year, and looking for a suitor; I will bite on any offer of a 2020 first, even if it's the Patriots.

Zeke is either the best or second best at his position but he's an asshole... holding out TWO years before he's up just screams cry baby all the way.


I agree that you don't penalize teams building thru the draft but the problem with the soft cap as it also allows mercenary super teams to come together and be retained through the bird rights (Heatles, Cavs, Warriors, etc) as long as the owners are willing to pay a little luxury tax, which is peanuts to them. OKC was the one genuine team that actually built a superteam pretty much exclusively through the draft, and they were extremely short lived as a bona fide contender. The mercenary teams benefit from the NBA soft cap system far more than the legit built teams.

[spurraider21]

hopkins, obj, michael thomas, tyreek, mike evans, davante adams, juju, keenan allen, ty hilton, brandin cooks, thielen/diggs... still plenty of competition from the younger guys when it comes to cracking a top 5

[phxspurfan]

BREAKING NEWS: Cowgirls RB Zeke Elliott has been cut, per league sauces.



j/k but yes he will not be playing for the boys ever again.

[Millennial_Messiah]

hopkins, obj, michael thomas, tyreek, mike evans, davante adams, juju, keenan allen, ty hilton, brandin cooks, thielen/diggs... still plenty of competition from the younger guys when it comes to cracking a top 5

The only guys I'd truly consider over Cooper on that whole list. The rest are mostly one trick ponies who aren't at all complete receivers. Cooper is a complete receiver.

1, 2, 3, and 11 are pretty complete receivers. They aren't totally unflawed; 1 costs his QB interceptions from time to time, 2 is an undisciplined nutcase, 3 isn't particularly fast, and 11... well he's actually pretty much perfect though not the flashiest guy.

4, 9 (arguable), 10, and 12 are speed receivers who aren't great route runners and don't make for reliable possession receivers when you need a critical 3rd down conversion.

5 and 6 are jump ball specialists and possession receivers who aren't fast nor particularly great route runners. They win the 1 on 1's due to catch radius alone, but they'll flame out like Dez Bryant at some point.

7 and 8 are good route runners and possession receivers, but 7 is just a tier below the rest for now and 8 isn't particularly fast or a huge catch radius guy though he's a GREAT route runner.

Since you mentioned 7, I'll throw in a 13th name who came out the same time as 7 but I think is better... but his season was cut short last year to injury, but he's actually more like 11 than any other receiver on that list... his name is Cooper Kupp and he may end up making Cooks or Woods expendable long term. They can't pay all 3 big money.

[spurraider21]

tl;dr you are a cowboys fan

[SpursforSix]

tl;dr you are a cowboys fan

You were smart. It’s more bad takes.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Duplicate post

[Millennial_Messiah]

You were smart. It’s more bad takes.

They're actually spot on.

Example: Tyreek Hill is a perfect match for a guy with the arm strength of Pat Mahomes and that offense, but Tyreek Hill in a vacuum isn't a top 10 receiver because he's not a complete receiver. For example, he wouldn't be nearly as good with a guy with mediocre arm strength like Axmiff, Dak, Darnold, LJax etc. He'd be pretty average at best and a gadget player on offense/great special teams player at worst, when all you're doing is throwing short screens and drags to him to take advantage of his RACability.

[spurraider21]

They're actually spot on.

Example: Tyreek Hill is a perfect match for a guy with the arm strength of Pat Mahomes and that offense, but Tyreek Hill in a vacuum isn't a top 10 receiver because he's not a complete receiver. For example, he wouldn't be nearly as good with a guy with mediocre arm strength like Axmiff, Dak, Darnold, LJax etc. He'd be pretty average at best and a gadget player on offense/great special teams player at worst, when all you're doing is throwing short screens and drags to him to take advantage of his RACability.
yeah randy moss sucks too

not to mention tyreek was already a game breaker with alex smith :lmao

why do you insist on doubling/tripling down on bad takes?

[Millennial_Messiah]

yeah randy moss sucks too

not to mention tyreek was already a game breaker with alex smith :lmao

why do you insist on doubling/tripling down on bad takes?
Hill was a gadget player the first year with Smith who was amazing on special teams. He did have a solid 2017 but only after they forced Smith out of his comfort zone.

Moss was an X receiver, Hill is a small Desean jackson Z receiver, horrid comparison, drastically different body type

[spurraider21]

Hill was a gadget player the first year with Smith who was amazing on special teams. He did have a solid 2017 but only after they forced Smith out of his comfort zone.

Moss was an X receiver, Hill is a small Desean jackson Z receiver, horrid comparison, drastically different body type
their body types are irrelevant to the discussion. they're all guys who are primarily deep threats, which is why you characterized hill as a guy who is a perfect match for a guy with great arm strength. moss qualifies as well. just because a guy's primary skill is getting down the field doesn't diminish their relative greatness.

you said hill would be average at best with a qb like alex smith, but he wasn't. he was a 1200 yard receiver with alex smith. of course you bullshitted an excuse for that too. i mean you SPECIFICALLY brought up alex smith as a guy hill would struggle with. :lmao there's no room to backtrack

[SpursforSix]

They're actually spot on.

Example: Tyreek Hill is a perfect match for a guy with the arm strength of Pat Mahomes and that offense, but Tyreek Hill in a vacuum isn't a top 10 receiver because he's not a complete receiver. For example, he wouldn't be nearly as good with a guy with mediocre arm strength like Axmiff, Dak, Darnold, LJax etc. He'd be pretty average at best and a gadget player on offense/great special teams player at worst, when all you're doing is throwing short screens and drags to him to take advantage of his RACability.

You always assess players or teams based on what you've seen in a game or two.
You pigeon hole Hill as just a speed guy when in fact he's also great route runner.
Recently, you said Watkins was Chief's slot guy when in fact Hill saw a greater % in the slot.

It's the same old shit you do over and over. About half of what you ever say is refuted by statistics.
But carry on.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You always assess players or teams based on what you've seen in a game or two.
You pigeon hole Hill as just a speed guy when in fact he's also great route runner.
Recently, you said Watkins was Chief's slot guy when in fact Hill saw a greater % in the slot.

It's the same old shit you do over and over. About half of what you ever say is refuted by statistics.
But carry on.

I say Watkins is a slot guy because his best plays were from the slot and he really isn't a deep guy anymore.

[SpursforSix]

I say Watkins is a slot guy because his best plays were from the slot and he really isn't a deep guy anymore.Nope. Not what you said.
He played the majority of his snaps last year in the slot...Watkins almost exclusively plays "Y" in KC.Watkins did not play the majority of his snaps in the slot last year. Less than 30%. That’s not “exclusively” playing the Y.

[chunticakes]

Since you mentioned [JuJu Smith-Schuster], I'll throw in a 13th name who came out the same time as [Smith-Schuster] but I think is better... but his season was cut short last year to injury, but he's actually more like [Adam Thielen] than any other receiver on that list... his name is Cooper Kupp and he may end up making Cooks or Woods expendable long term. They can't pay all 3 big money.

LMAO @ Cooper Kupp > Smith-Schuster

But you forgot to mention the GOAT wide receiver: Dontrelle Javaar Inman

[Millennial_Messiah]

LMAO @ Cooper Kupp > Smith-Schuster

But you forgot to mention the GOAT wide receiver: Dontrelle Javaar Inman
Kupp was well on his way until the injury bug hit.

Inman will be a very solid #2 on the Chargers opposite Williams, with of course Allen in the slot. Chargers will be fun to watch, bummer Derwin James is going to miss the season with the Jones fracture

[blizz]

Isn’t the game streaming online? I thought I heard that it was.

[Chris]

Isn’t the game streaming online? I thought I heard that it was.

Fed up with Sony Vue getting blacked out on everything so I switched to Spectrum Live and they have it on 3 different local news stations.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cowboys dominating their lil bro state team, 27-0 in the first half, with 4 takeaways and 7 sacks :lmao NFL = f:lolcked ... even a blocked punt and a TD on special teams.


HOU is a 2-14 team this year, considering how bad their OL and secondary is... also, Watson isn't anything special.

[Chris]

Playcalling has been A+ :tu

[Millennial_Messiah]

Playcalling has been A+ :tu

Also, unlike other years, this team is deeeeeeeep AF... especially at positions like WR and DL.

34-0 halfway through the third quarter. Mike White playing well. Sticking it to lil bro. Loving every minute :toast

[Chris]

Also, unlike other years, this team is deeeeeeeep AF... especially at positions like WR and DL.

34-0 halfway through the third quarter. Mike White playing well. Sticking it to lil bro. Loving every minute :toast

WEEEEEE STAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKED :lol :toast

[Millennial_Messiah]

WEEEEEE STAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKED :lol :toast

And somehow, some way, the Texans emerged as the big winners of tonight:


Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter) 7m7 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1165436299320483840)




Andrew Luck already has met with Colts’ owner Jim Irsay to tell him that he is retiring, per source.

[Chris]

Luck is retiring? That's tragic tbh

[Chris]

And somehow, some way, the Texans emerged as the big winners of tonight:


Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter) 7m7 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1165436299320483840)




Andrew Luck already has met with Colts’ owner Jim Irsay to tell him that he is retiring, per source.

https://twitter.com/MeekPhill_/status/1165439410160242688?s=20

[Chris]

Donovan Wilson from A&M :wow

[Millennial_Messiah]

Lamar Miller just tore his ACL. D'onta Foreman is gone. All they have left is scatback Duke Johnson and a bunch of nobodies.

Trade Zeke for a 1st and 3rd to Houston?

Trade Prescott for two firsts to the Colts?


Value would never be higher.

[spurraider21]

lets say Dak and Jerry cant reach a deal, and they let Dak play out this last year, and he does what he's done for the past few seasons. Play solid, unspectacular football. Throw for 3700 yards, 23 TD's, 11 INT's, while running for 300 yards and another 6 TD's.

cowboys have a solid record, either barely missing playoffs or make it and are one and done in playoffs.

just for arguments sake... in that scenario, what kind of contract does Dak fetch on the open market?

[Millennial_Messiah]

lets say Dak and Jerry cant reach a deal, and they let Dak play out this last year, and he does what he's done for the past few seasons. Play solid, unspectacular football. Throw for 3700 yards, 23 TD's, 11 INT's, while running for 300 yards and another 6 TD's.

cowboys have a solid record, either barely missing playoffs or make it and are one and done in playoffs.

just for arguments sake... in that scenario, what kind of contract does Dak fetch on the open market?

That's the big ticket right there. In that scenario,

1) Jason Garrett gets the axe. I think the Joneses have made it clear that he's on his last strike and it's NFCCG or bust this time.

2) Prescott is probably tagged. On the open market, he'd probably fetch a Kirk Cousins like deal in terms of AAV, but with somewhat less guaranteed money. $28-31M/year. Even average QBs are in huge demand, like full stack java developers in today's economy. The kind of scenario you described is very similar to the Redskins from 2015-2017, the last three years they had Cousins. Either barely making the playoffs and not going far, or just missing.

3) Prescott either signs the tag or is traded before the draft. Obviously the Cowboys would hope for a 1st and maybe something else in addition in compensation.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Here is my Official 53 Man roster projection after 3 weeks of preseason.

QB (2): Prescott, Rush
HB (3): Pollard, Morris, Jackson
FB (1): Olawale*
WR (6): Cooper, Gallup, Cobb*, Smith, Wilson, Austin
TE (3): Witten, Jarwin, Schultz
OL (8): Smith, Williams, Frederick, Martin, Collins, Looney, Fleming, Su'a-Filo
DL (11): Lawrence, Collins, Woods, Charlton, Crawford, Hyder, Hill, Armstrong, Jackson, Covington, Jelks
LB (5): Smith, Vander Esch, Lee*, Thomas, March
S (5): Woods, Wilson, Heath, Thompson, Goodwin
CB (6): Jones, Awuzie, Brown*, Lewis, Jackson, Olumba
ST (3): Maher, Jones, Ladouceur

PS (10): Weber, Johnson, Wise, Knight, Phillips, Walker, Westry, McElroy, Chunn, Hyatt
PUP/IR: Brown, McGovern, Gifford
RES/DNR: Elliott
RES/SUS: Quinn, Gregory

Italics denote starters.
Italic* denotes part-time starter depending on formation.

[DJR210]

Here is my Official 53 Man roster projection after 3 weeks of preseason.

QB (2): Prescott, Rush
HB (3): Pollard, Morris, Jackson
FB (1): Olawale*
WR (6): Cooper, Gallup, Cobb*, Smith, Wilson, Austin
TE (3): Witten, Jarwin, Schultz
OL (8): Smith, Williams, Frederick, Martin, Collins, Looney, Fleming, Su'a-Filo
DL (11): Lawrence, Collins, Woods, Charlton, Crawford, Hyder, Hill, Armstrong, Jackson, Covington, Jelks
LB (5): Smith, Vander Esch, Lee*, Thomas, March
S (5): Woods, Wilson, Heath, Thompson, Goodwin
CB (6): Jones, Awuzie, Brown*, Lewis, Jackson, Olumba
ST (3): Maher, Jones, Ladouceur

PS (10): Weber, Johnson, Wise, Knight, Phillips, Walker, Westry, McElroy, Chunn, Hyatt
PUP/IR: Brown, McGovern, Gifford
RES/DNR: Elliott
RES/SUS: Quinn, Gregory

Italics denote starters.
Italic* denotes part-time starter depending on formation.

Why are you including Charlton? You've wrote him off for the last 2 years.. One good game and now you want him on your 53? :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Why are you including Charlton? You've wrote him off for the last 2 years.. One good game and now you want him on your 53? :lol

They're not going to cut him because that would involve the Joneses eating pride. They had to eventually with Claiborne but they didn't let him go until he was around 5 years.

Lawrence... hell DeMarcus Lawrence didn't really break out until year 4. He had an injury plagued rookie year, a solid 8-sack sophomore season playing across from Greg Hardy, an injury plagued and unproductive 3rd year, and a monster 4th year.

[DJR210]

They're not going to cut him because that would involve the Joneses eating pride. They had to eventually with Claiborne but they didn't let him go until he was around 5 years.

Lawrence... hell DeMarcus Lawrence didn't really break out until year 4. He had an injury plagued rookie year, a solid 8-sack sophomore season playing across from Greg Hardy, an injury plagued and unproductive 3rd year, and a monster 4th year.

:spin

[SpursforSix]

:spin

Andy should substitute that emoji for periods. Punctuate every sentence with it.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Andy should substitute that emoji for periods. Punctuate every sentence with it.
?

[BackHome]

I am OK giving DAK a big contract but not this year he is going to have to improve his 3 down completion rate/passing to at least be in top 5 all active QB if he can’t get you a first down passing then he shouldn’t get mad money.

As far as Taco they could still keep him, trade him or just release him I am thinking they keep him for at least 3 games and then trade him but if they release him I think they eat 4 mill but then get 5 mill back to give to one of the 3.

[phxspurfan]

Boys should trade Zeke for Clowney

[Millennial_Messiah]

Boys should trade Zeke for Clowney

Too much sense for it to happen.

I'd even throw in Crawford ... and Cameron Fleming, since he secretly sucks but the Texans want a tackle and he played in the Super Bowl for the Patriots.

Lawrence and Clowney at bookends for the next 6 years = nobody can really run on us at either direction for the foreseeable future. And they better hope to not get to 3rd & long, because the QB is gonna die.

[SpursforSix]

Boys should trade Zeke for Clowney

Would be interesting to see Zeke run behind that shitty line.

[BackHome]

If I new Clowney could stay healthy I would do that trade in a minute

[Millennial_Messiah]

Would be interesting to see Zeke run behind that shitty line.

Their bigger problem is pass pro, not so much run blocking

[DJR210]

So trade a guy who wants big money for a guy that wants big money.. defensive end big money at that :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

So trade a guy who wants big money for a guy that wants big money.. defensive end big money at that :lol

He would be an RE in a 4-3 scheme.

[SpursforSix]

Their bigger problem is pass pro, not so much run blocking

Wrong again dumbass.

They were 27th last year in adjusted line yards.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wrong again dumbass.

They were 27th last year in adjusted line yards.

Also 1st (worst) in the league in total sacks.

[SpursforSix]

Also 1st (worst) in the league in total sacks.

Being the worst at something doesn't mean you're not terrible at the other.
Are you saying the O-Line isn't terrible for RBs? Because that's what you clearly implied.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Being the worst at something doesn't mean you're not terrible at the other.
Are you saying the O-Line isn't terrible for RBs? Because that's what you clearly implied.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2018&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

Houston was 8th in the league for rushing yards in 2018. Yes these aren't on a per capita basis, and yes I know Watson is an above average running QB, but still, they were a top 10 rushing team.

[SpursforSix]

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2018&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

Houston was 8th in the league for rushing yards in 2018. Yes these aren't on a per capita basis, and yes I know Watson is an above average running QB, but still, they were a top 10 rushing team.

Lol...”per capita”.

I know what what you meant to say and excluding the attempts from the metric invalidates it. By your standards, the Steelers had terrible run blocking.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Lol...”per capita”.

I know what what you meant to say and excluding the attempts from the metric invalidates it. By your standards, the Steelers had terrible run blocking.
Steelers had great run blocking and an average running back. Yes you root for guys like that who had cancer and such but he's just that, an average running back.

[spurraider21]

this isn't going to be a winning battle for zeke imo. he's still got 2 years on his rookie deal, so its not like free agency is looming. and this is a team and owner that stood up for him against the league/commissioner. he's not gonna win the PR battle

[spurraider21]

maybe jerry is playing 4D chess tbh... bait zeke into holding out. when the cowboys offense struggles, dak loses negotiating leverage

[SpursforSix]

Steelers had great run blocking and an average running back. Yes you root for guys like that who had cancer and such but he's just that, an average running back.

Damn you’re stupid. You posted a link to defend your retarded comment about Houston being decent in run blocking (which they weren’t) because of their total rushing yards. And the same link shows the Steelers second to last. But you acknowledge they have great run blocking.

I bet your Bed Bath and Beyond manager cringes when he sees you talking to customers.

[SpursforSix]

this isn't going to be a winning battle for zeke imo. he's still got 2 years on his rookie deal, so its not like free agency is looming. and this is a team and owner that stood up for him against the league/commissioner. he's not gonna win the PR battle

Either he’s not listening to his agent or his agent is incredibly stupid.

[spurraider21]

Either he’s not listening to his agent or his agent is incredibly stupid.
people usually hold out when they're entering the last year of their deal (or they've been franchise tagged). this is way premature. they have him under contract this year, they exercised his player option for next year, and then they have the leverage to tag him the year after. he's not even close to bullying his way into an extension imo.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Donovan Wilson is a budding star. My starting SS all along from when we picked him last April. Stud, stud, stud. Can't wait until he finally replaces Jeff Heath there.

Jeff Heath is seriously the Matt Bonner of the Cowboys. Low talent, flawed white guy with mediocre athleticism that team not only keeps around long term but also gives major playing time to.... for no apparent reason. WHY?

[leemajors]

he is also hurt and may miss some games.

[Millennial_Messiah]

he is also hurt and may miss some games.
he rolled his ankle and was walking fine 2 hours later. Xrays negative. No sprain.

[leemajors]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/stephen-jones-talks-randy-gregory-zeke-more


Jones also updated an injury issue, as he revealed that Donovan Wilson’s ankle problem might be more serious than initially anticipated. Wilson said Thursday after the Tampa Bay game that he’d be fine, but Jones said it might be a little while for the rookie safety.
“It looks like he found his way to this roster,” he said. “Unfortunately, he did have a little setback that could keep him out of games for a couple of weeks, but we’ll continue to monitor that.”

[DJR210]

He would be an RE in a 4-3 scheme.

What is your point in relation to my post?

[Millennial_Messiah]

What is your point in relation to my post?

That he is asking for defensive end money because he is a defensive end. New CBA in 2021 is actively looking to change to designate "Edge" (any 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB) as separate from "off ball linebacker" which is only 4-3 LB and 3-4 ILB, and "defensive lineman" refers to 4-3 DTs, and 3-4 DEs and NTs only... all this of course for purpose of position designations for tags, 5th year options, etc.

[clambake]

maybe jerry is playing 4D chess tbh... bait zeke into holding out. when the cowboys offense struggles, dak loses negotiating leverage

excellent

[Biggems]

I wish they would have kept Phillips and Olumba. All I see them doing is making plays.....unfortunately they were caught in the numbers game. IMO, rosters should be 60, due to so many injuries.

[LkrFan]

I wish they would have kept Phillips and Olumba. All I see them doing is making plays.....unfortunately they were caught in the numbers game. IMO, rosters should be 60, due to so many injuries.

They cleared waivers and gonna be on the practice squad.

[Millennial_Messiah]

They cleared waivers and gonna be on the practice squad.

Olumba is too slow, love his effort but he should be in the XFL. The main guys I were worried about were Daniel Wise (David Irving clone without the drugs), Mike Jackson (good mid round draft pick, prototype Byron Jones-esque corner) and even Wilson... looks like they all cleared though.

[DJR210]

I wish they would have kept Phillips and Olumba. All I see them doing is making plays.....unfortunately they were caught in the numbers game. IMO, rosters should be 60, due to so many injuries.

I'm actually shocked that Olumbra didn't make it.. he has some instincts for the football. Would have loved to see him stay.

[DJR210]

Olumba is too slow, love his effort but he should be in the XFL. The main guys I were worried about were Daniel Wise (David Irving clone without the drugs), Mike Jackson (good mid round draft pick, prototype Byron Jones-esque corner) and even Wilson... looks like they all cleared though.

Shut the fuck up already you talk like you're the head of scouting for Spurstalk's Cowboys thread :lol

[Biggems]

They cleared waivers and gonna be on the practice squad.

That is great news

[manufan10]

"The Dallas Cowboys (https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys) have agreed on a 5-year extension with another key piece, right tackle La'el Collins (https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2577302/la'el-collins), according to ESPN's Adam Schefter."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27526591/source-rt-collins-cowboys-agree-5-year-deal (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27526591/source-rt-collins-cowboys-agree-5-year-deal)

[manufan10]

Cowboys starting OL:

Tyron Smith, 28 years old, signed through 2024
Connor Williams, 22 years old, signed through 2022
Travis Frederick, 28 years old, signed through 2024
Zack Martin, 28 years old, signed through 2025
La'el Collins, 26 years old, signed through 2024 (?)

[spurraider21]

Cowboys starting OL:

Tyron Smith, 28 years old, signed through 2024
Connor Williams, 22 years old, signed through 2022
Travis Frederick, 28 years old, signed through 2024
Zack Martin, 28 years old, signed through 2025
La'el Collins, 26 years old, signed through 2024 (?)
well done tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

"The Dallas Cowboys (https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys) have agreed on a 5-year extension with another key piece, right tackle La'el Collins (https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/2577302/la'el-collins), according to ESPN's Adam Schefter."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27526591/source-rt-collins-cowboys-agree-5-year-deal (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27526591/source-rt-collins-cowboys-agree-5-year-deal)

Not sure I'm okay with this, because he's been pretty average, but OL is by far the hottest commodity in the NFL right now so $10m for a starting RT for the next 6 years seems like a good deal.

I would have liked to gotten the other Collins (DT) and Cooper done first though. I could live without Prescott.

[DJR210]

I'm not a huge La'el fan at this point, but he still has a chance to "figure things out" and make his flashes of pure athleticism and dominance a more common thing.. Team friendly deal with some young players developing behind him so I'm good with it. He may be a key piece in the locker room too, so team morale could have also been a factor in this decision.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'm not a huge La'el fan at this point, but he still has a chance to "figure things out" and make his flashes of pure athleticism and dominance a more common thing.. Team friendly deal with some young players developing behind him so I'm good with it. He may be a key piece in the locker room too, so team morale could have also been a factor in this decision.

Perhaps Captain Tyron, Fred Beard and Zack Flack campaigned for him. Problem is he's already 26 so he'll be 32 almost 33 when he's a FA again so the Cowboys are once again pushing the can perhaps too far on these deals.

[DJR210]

Perhaps Captain Tyron, Fred Beard and Zack Flack campaigned for him. Problem is he's already 26 so he'll be 32 almost 33 when he's a FA again so the Cowboys are once again pushing the can perhaps too far on these deals.

They're going all in on continuity

[benefactor]

:lol 90 million
:lol Texas NFL teams

[manufan10]

From what I've seen on Twitter, Zeke's deal gives the Cowboys an out in year 4 that will not impact the cap too much. We'll see what the numbers actually look like when the full details are released.

[Blake]

Jeez Jerry is an idiot.

If you were going to bend over and take it, then take it before camp.

[manufan10]

It's really not a bad deal. Added on to his current deal it makes it a 8 year deal at 108 mil, which is an average of 13.5 which is what Le'veon Bell got.

[spurraider21]

It's really not a bad deal. Added on to his current deal it makes it a 8 year deal at 108 mil, which is an average of 13.5 which is what Le'veon Bell got.
but he already had some of those years locked in, so thats a really weird way of looking at it :lol

[Spurs Homer]

Great


garrett still head coach


meaning...

another 8-8 season!

[Millennial_Messiah]

ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

#13-3

[Millennial_Messiah]

Jeez Jerry is an idiot.

If you were going to bend over and take it, then take it before camp.

#WinNowBaby

[Blake]

#WinNowBaby

So you think that thanks to this contract they'll go 13-3 and get to the super bowl.

[Millennial_Messiah]

So you think that thanks to this contract they'll go 13-3 and get to the super bowl.

I thought they'd go 13-3 in the regular season with Zeke and 8-8 without him.


Getting to the SB is another story. Luck (not Andrew :(), health, coaching, and the referees will play a bigger factor in the playoffs.

[MultiTroll]

What was over rated Elliot purportedly asking for vs what he got?

With Garret as HC I see another playoff ouster.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Hopefully Cooper and Maliek Collins are next.

No-interceptions Byron Jones and Prescott can hit the road after this year.

[DJR210]

:lol 90 million
:lol Texas NFL teams

He's on pace to be an all time great, he's durable, he avoids the big hits.. the question is.. Does he want to be known as an all time great? At that price he must lead the league again and win an MVP. If Dallas goes 13-3 and he's leading the league again I think it can happen.

But definitely gotta wonder about Houston.. mortgaged their future for an average LT and a WR who's priority is probably not football, and didn't get shit in return for Clowney while on the hook for 7 million..

[DJR210]

Hopefully Cooper and Maliek Collins are next.

No-interceptions Byron Jones and Prescott can hit the road after this year.

Maliek Collins is highly replaceable in the draft.. his replacement is probably already on the roster.

[DJR210]

It's really not a bad deal. Added on to his current deal it makes it a 8 year deal at 108 mil, which is an average of 13.5 which is what Le'veon Bell got.

Fuck all the numbers. Bottom line, if he continues on this pace he's been on dating back to Ohio State the deal is worth it. He's strong and has been on the field his entire career (other than Goodell flexing his might out of anger that Jerrah dare question his fast tracked contract extension). The team is clearly trying to preserve him some, relief drafting Pollard as well.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Maliek Collins is highly replaceable in the draft.. his replacement is probably already on the roster.

Probably the guy on the practice squad they made a tough cut at the last minute to cut... Daniel Wise. That kid looked like a stud in preseason.


Only thing about Collins is his extensive injury past... especially those foot injuries for such a big man. If he balls out like a David Irving, we may have to keep him. He was born and raised in KC so I suggested trading him and a pick for their DT Chris Jones who I think is a star in the makings (because they won't be able to pay, because Mahomes, Hill and a generally overpaid supporting cast). Marinelli loves that star at 3-Tech DT and Chris Jones would provide that for us.

[spurraider21]

zeke is truly great, one of the few RB's that actually justifies a first round pick in the draft. but he's under contract now through 2026... thats a long-ass time for a running back, especially one as physical as him

the huge guarantees really means you cant even be looking to cut him until 2024 or so. but if the cap continues to grow as it has, 15 mil for a RB might not be that unreasonable by the mid 2020s tbh

[leemajors]

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2019/9/4/20849995/the-ezekiel-elliott-contract-numbers-look-great-for-both-zeke-and-the-cowboys


Note: The first two years of the deal are fully guaranteed, totaling $28 million at signing. The base salaries in 2021 and 2022 become fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the league years in 2020 and 2021.


$7.5M signing bonus with a $13M option bonus in 2020

EDIT: doesn't say here but it's being said a suspension can void a lot of things.

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2019/9/4/20849995/the-ezekiel-elliott-contract-numbers-look-great-for-both-zeke-and-the-cowboys
EDIT: doesn't say here but it's being said a suspension can void a lot of things.
Suspension for NFL disciplinary reasons and the Cowboys should be able to cause to void all guarantees and have him pay back his entire signing bonus. Seriously.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol Jerry wants to win another super bowl before he dies, but his qb is still dak

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Jerry wants to win another super bowl before he dies, but his qb is still dak

One more year of Dak, one "lean" year of Rush, and then we get Trevor Lawrence. Lol


Maybe he should consider quitting eating Popeye's chicken so he can extend his life.

[manufan10]

Great


garrett still head coach


meaning...

another 8-8 season!

Cowboys haven't had an 8-8 season since '13. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

[manufan10]

One more year of Dak, one "lean" year of Rush, and then we get Trevor Lawrence. Lol




You know that's never gonna happen, right?

[Spurs Homer]

Cowboys haven't had an 8-8 season since '13. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.


ok - 56%

https://pro-football-history.com/coach/142/jason-garrett-bio

[benefactor]

He's on pace to be an all time great, he's durable, he avoids the big hits.. the question is.. Does he want to be known as an all time great? At that price he must lead the league again and win an MVP. If Dallas goes 13-3 and he's leading the league again I think it can happen.

But definitely gotta wonder about Houston.. mortgaged their future for an average LT and a WR who's priority is probably not football, and didn't get shit in return for Clowney while on the hook for 7 million..
Houston is doing Houston things. Did you see the article where they are teaming up with Rice University to give some kind of workshop on how to run an NFL franchise?:lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

You know that's never gonna happen, right?

But don't deny that would be a great idea. Paying the 19th best QB in the NFL top-5 money in today's hyperinflated QB market would be a franchise sinking decision.

[manufan10]

But don't deny that would be a great idea. Paying the 19th best QB in the NFL top-5 money in today's hyperinflated QB market would be a franchise sinking decision.

I'm not Dak's biggest fan, but right now he's the Cowboys best shot. I'd rather the Cowboys wait before signing him to a long-term contract, and even use the tag if they have to. He's been too inconsistent for me to believe he deserves a huge contract, especially the number he's been rumored to have asked for. However, the downside to that is if they continue to wait he's just going to command more money.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'm not Dak's biggest fan, but right now he's the Cowboys best shot. I'd rather the Cowboys wait before signing him to a long-term contract, and even use the tag if they have to. He's been too inconsistent for me to believe he deserves a huge contract, especially the number he's been rumored to have asked for. However, the downside to that is if they continue to wait he's just going to command more money.

Kirk Cousins him

[Biggems]

Dallas will win today. I think it will be something like 23 - 13.

[Biggems]

I say wait until after this season, and once we win the SB, then you can give Dak a 6 year 200 million dollar extension, with 100-120 guaranteed. People will say that is a lot, but if he wins the SB, the merch will be flying off the shelves like crazy. The bandwagon will probably double. Jerry will Scrooge McDuck swim in his giant vault of billions.

[DJR210]

Great game :tu

My thoughts:

-Slow start by Dak, a few groans over some of his passes; he had a couple to Gallup and Cobb that were off the mark and needed to be adjusted to, and the TD to Jarwin was a duck.. Obviously rebounded and finished with as good a game as he's ever had
-It seemed like Zeke was running with all 90 million in his pocket at times, but he kept chipping away finishing with what would project as his usual 100+ yard game. Need more than 6 TD's from him this year so that was a plus. Also not bad considering he didn't practice
-Last year I thought Gallup would compete for the #1 spot, and god damn it looks like that's gonna be the case
-If Cobb is going to make plays like that look out. That fucking stiff arm and extra 10 yards was sick
-LVE took that nasty hit to the head, hopefully he's ok tomorrow

[Millennial_Messiah]

Great game :tu

My thoughts:

-Slow start by Dak, a few groans over some of his passes; he had a couple to Gallup and Cobb that were off the mark and needed to be adjusted to, and the TD to Jarwin was a duck.. Obviously rebounded and finished with as good a game as he's ever had
-It seemed like Zeke was running with all 90 million in his pocket at times, but he kept chipping away finishing with what would project as his usual 100+ yard game. Need more than 6 TD's from him this year so that was a plus. Also not bad considering he didn't practice
-Last year I thought Gallup would compete for the #1 spot, and god damn it looks like that's gonna be the case
-If Cobb is going to make plays like that look out. That fucking stiff arm and extra 10 yards was sick
-LVE took that nasty hit to the head, hopefully he's ok tomorrow
Me too... So, in light of that, do you not pay Cooper then? Do you tag and try to trade him for a 1st before the draft next spring?

[Spurs Homer]

Nice

not even garrett could fuck this up

great news garrett gave the keys to the offense to someone else

great improvement

[Millennial_Messiah]

Nice

not even garrett could fuck this up

great news garrett gave the keys to the offense to someone else

great improvement

I haven't seen them hit that many seam routes over the middle like that (to several different receivers no less) since the early Romo era.

[DJR210]

Me too... So, in light of that, do you not pay Cooper then? Do you tag and try to trade him for a 1st before the draft next spring?

I was thinking that earlier.. If Dak ends up breaking the bank they may be forced to part ways with Cooper and draft WR help.. That's bullshit because now you're looking at two wasted 1st's in Taco and Cooper.

[LkrFan]

How bout them Cowboys?!? Dak and Dunk went off on "Jack Rabbit" and that vaunted Giants secondary. Can't wait to see Skip roast Uncle Shay today on Undisputed! :lol

[SpursforSix]

I was thinking that earlier.. If Dak ends up breaking the bank they may be forced to part ways with Cooper and draft WR help.. That's bullshit because now you're looking at two wasted 1st's in Taco and Cooper.

I think you have to try and get something done. If you can roll out two legit 1 WR, it's a significant advantage. It'll be a tough call. Jones might think that any WR will work in Moore's offense. But if Gallup is as good as he seems, I think someone is always going to be open if they keep Cooper.

Imo, tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think you have to try and get something done. If you can roll out two legit 1 WR, it's a significant advantage. It'll be a tough call. Jones might think that any WR will work in Moore's offense. But if Gallup is as good as he seems, I think someone is always going to be open if they keep Cooper.

Imo, tbh.
It is but

The Falcons have always had that since they drafted Julio, and they've never gone anywhere

[spurraider21]

worked out with TO and Roy Williams tbh

[SpursforSix]

It is but

The Falcons have always had that since they drafted Julio, and they've never gone anywhere

Except to the point of choking away a Super Bowl. Although I'm not sure who you're thinking their other true WR1 was.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Except to the point of choking away a Super Bowl. Although I'm not sure who you're thinking their other true WR1 was.

I mean when they had Roddy White. And now they have Ridley

[spurraider21]

i mean the falcons have mostly been a perennially good team during the matt ryan era. they've had 3 losing seasons in those 11 years. i'd say they've been pretty successful

https://i.gyazo.com/8897cbd96457f7d7795117e90c74fb64.png

[Millennial_Messiah]

I just mentioned the Falcons because they're a team that usually comes to mind when you think "2+ great receivers on the same team"... the Chiefs in the past couple years expected that but Hill and Watkins haven't been able to stay healthy long enough to play together at the same time much.

I would love to keep Cooper. Losing him for anything less than a 1st in return would be a very bad ROI and lost sunk cost on the Joneses' part, and I don't think they like to do business that way. I also think Michael Gallup is a budding Michael Thomas (Saints) clone. Having them both would be truly awesome. But then where do you sacrifice? You have 4 O-linemen making 9 figures every year. Dak is going to get his $32M AAV now, maybe make the contract really long so in 7 years when QBs are making $50m+ a year, Dak's will look like a bargain? Zeke already is paid as the highest RB in the league.

Which leads you to defense. There's going to have to be sacrifices made there, yet again. Byron Jones is as good as gone. DeMarcus Lawrence and Jaylon Smith are here to stay, but who else? You're going to need to make a decision on Awuzie next year, and you have to keep enough money to retain Leighton Vander Esch -- that's an absolute priority. I like Donovan Wilson the safety. Is Xavier Woods replaceable? He went the same draft as Awuzie. Maliek Collins probably won't be retained, though he never seems to show up very well in the regular season after his rookie year and he is injury prone. Robert Quinn? They desperately need pass rush from somewhere outside of Lawrence or else offenses will just double and chip him to death and get away with it. Who do they sacrifice?

[SpursforSix]

I mean when they had Roddy White. And now they have Ridley

I don't think you can even begin to compare the 2 years they have with Ridley to this Cowboys team. Cowboys have better defense, better O-line, better RB. Maybe even better play calling.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don't think you can even begin to compare the 2 years they have with Ridley to this Cowboys team. Cowboys have better defense, better O-line, better RB. Maybe even better play calling.

I do agree we have a better overall team now, though theirs was better in a year like 2016. And they had Shanahan at OC back then. Better play calling? With Kellen Moore, perhaps, but definitely not with Linehan.

Only issue is, how do you keep this team together when you already have 4 top 5 paid O-Linemen (deservedly so; Dak's pocket was sparkling clean all yesterday, no pressures no sacks), the top paid RB, a top 5 paid QB, one and eventually two top 10 paid receivers, and all the studs on defense? Unless you think that outside of DLaw, Jaylon Smith and Vander Esch everyone else could be potentially replaceable on defense. Our defense was bad yesterday and everyone was there except Quinn and Wilson.

All offseason I thought the Cowboys and Eagles were going to be duking it out for supremacy in the NFC, not just the division, similar to the 2013 era Seahawks/49ers. I think my prediction looked pretty good yesterday. Eagles are another team, by the way, that has 2 legit #1 receivers, and they're perfect complements to one another's game and Wentz.

Green Bay is another team that has usually had two or more #1 receivers, plus an expensive QB, up to this point. Driver/Jennings, Driver/Nelson, Nelson/Adams, etc.

[DJR210]

I think you have to try and get something done. If you can roll out two legit 1 WR, it's a significant advantage. It'll be a tough call. Jones might think that any WR will work in Moore's offense. But if Gallup is as good as he seems, I think someone is always going to be open if they keep Cooper.

Imo, tbh.

You're exactly right in theory.. But god damn where is the money gonna come from.. Here's to hoping Jerry is offering these guys some under the table incentives to encourage them taking less official salary (use of private helicopter/jet a couple times a year, joint business ventures, fuck his wife, etc)

[SpursforSix]

You're exactly right in theory.. But god damn where is the money gonna come from.. Here's to hoping Jerry is offering these guys some under the table incentives to encourage them taking less official salary (use of private helicopter/jet a couple times a year, joint business ventures, fuck his wife, etc)

For sure. And if they do sign Dak to big money, they're going to have to commit to continue to pay the O-line.

I like Dak. But I"m worried that the only way he can be good is if 1) he has great WR and 2) if he has a great O-line.

[DJR210]

For sure. And if they do sign Dak to big money, they're going to have to commit to continue to pay the O-line.

I like Dak. But I"m worried that the only way he can be good is if 1) he has great WR and 2) if he has a great O-line.

O-Line is locked up through 2024 with younger players being groomed behind them.. Both our receivers our 25 and under.. We're set

[Millennial_Messiah]

You're exactly right in theory.. But god damn where is the money gonna come from.. Here's to hoping Jerry is offering these guys some under the table incentives to encourage them taking less official salary (use of private helicopter/jet a couple times a year, joint business ventures, fuck his wife, etc)
these guys are 25-30 year old multi millionaires, they could score multiple hot sloots every night... why would they want to fuck an 80 year old great grandma? :lol


But yeah, some guys are going to have to be jettisoned, likely starting with Byron Jones, Maliek Collins, Anthony Brown (after this year); Chidobe Awuzie, Xavier Woods and Jourdan Lewis (after next year).

[DJR210]

why would they want to fuck an 80 year old great grandma? :lol

It's clearly a joke, you retarded fuck

[LkrFan]

It's clearly a joke, you retarded fuck

:lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

Monday passed, still no deal for Prescott

[SpursforSix]

O-Line is locked up through 2024 with younger players being groomed behind them.. Both our receivers our 25 and under.. We're set

That’s good on the Oline. Wasn’t sure at all.
I do hope they keep Cooper.

[DJR210]

That’s good on the Oline. Wasn’t sure at all.
I do hope they keep Cooper.

Same.. No double teams are possible at any position because of our depth :tu

[AlexJones]

Cowboys are the only team that can beat the Patriots imo.

[spurraider21]

Chiefs, Eagles, Saints all have the talent to do so as well. Cowboys speed at linebacker gives them as good a shot as any, to cover a lot of the underneath stuff.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chiefs, Eagles, Saints all have the talent to do so as well. Cowboys speed at linebacker gives them as good a shot as any, to cover a lot of the underneath stuff.
Agree on Eagles and Chiefs, not sure the Saints have enough weapons on offense or back 7 on defense. I think the Saints are a second tier team this year. Possibly the Rams take a small step back this year. I was high on Seattle but they shat the bed at home their first game. Then again Week 1 doesn't always predict how the season goes, either.

Chiefs are stacked as hell on offense, but Tyreek is going to miss a month. Eagles are stacked as hell on both sides of the ball, but they just lost their 2nd best DT for the entire season to injury.

[Chris]

HwwPBO-lgb0

[DJR210]

Houston is doing Houston things. Did you see the article where they are teaming up with Rice University to give some kind of workshop on how to run an NFL franchise?:lol

:lmao #houstondoinghoustonthings tbh

18 million guaranteed and cut after one fucking game :lol I'm sure Colvin was elated to have been cut with 18 million guaranteed. Somebody needs to smack some sense into the GM and get O'Brien the fuck outta there he is absolute cancer running a dual role

[SpursforSix]

Houston is doing Houston things. Did you see the article where they are teaming up with Rice University to give some kind of workshop on how to run an NFL franchise?:lol

Makes sense. Those guys at Rice are smart. They should be able to help the Texans.

[Spurs Homer]

God damn

cowboys looked alright!

[MultiTroll]

Will the Cowgirls cover the points vs Miami?

[leemajors]

Taco waived. No one wanted to trade for him.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Cowboys shitty first round picks

Claiborne then Charlton... we could have had Fletcher Cox and TJ Watt... Fire Stephen Jones tbh

[manufan10]

:lol Cowboys shitty first round picks

Claiborne then Charlton... we could have had Fletcher Cox and TJ Watt... Fire Stephen Jones tbh

Will McClay is in charge of the draft. You should know that by now.

Also, missing twice in the last 10 years isn't a bad thing.




2011: Tyron Smith (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245494/tyron-smith)
2012: Morris Claiborne (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152654/morris-claiborne)
2013: Travis Frederick (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/193341/travis-frederick)
2014: Zack Martin (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245486/zack-martin)
2015: Byron Jones (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/254425/byron-jones)
2016: Ezekiel Elliott (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/277157/ezekiel-elliott)
2017: Taco Charlton (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/302216/taco-charlton)
2018: Leighton Vander Esch (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/300388/leighton-vander-esch)
2019: (traded for Amari Cooper (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/256027/amari-cooper))

[Millennial_Messiah]

Will McClay is in charge of the draft. You should know that by now.

Also, missing twice in the last 10 years isn't a bad thing.



2011: Tyron Smith (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245494/tyron-smith)
2012: Morris Claiborne (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/152654/morris-claiborne)
2013: Travis Frederick (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/193341/travis-frederick)
2014: Zack Martin (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245486/zack-martin)
2015: Byron Jones (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/254425/byron-jones)
2016: Ezekiel Elliott (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/277157/ezekiel-elliott)
2017: Taco Charlton (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/302216/taco-charlton)
2018: Leighton Vander Esch (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/300388/leighton-vander-esch)
2019: (traded for Amari Cooper (https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/256027/amari-cooper))


that's 9 years not 10, and the most recent being a 1st round talent but a veteran that you have to pay pretty much immediately so you don't get the benefit of 4 cheap years and 1 somewhat below market value 5th year.

[chunticakes]

that's 9 years not 10, and the most recent being a 1st round talent but a veteran that you have to pay pretty much immediately so you don't get the benefit of 4 cheap years and 1 somewhat below market value 5th year.

Marinelli is the one who cried for Charlton and recently Hill last year.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Marinelli is the one who cried for Charlton and recently Hill last year.

Marinelli should have been gone especially after we got Richard. Looks like Hill is a bust too. We could have had TJ Watt and Juan Thornhill, but nope.

[chunticakes]

Marinelli should have been gone especially after we got Richard. Looks like Hill is a bust too. We could have had TJ Watt and Juan Thornhill, but nope.

Wow. For once I agree with you. 1000%

[leemajors]

why is hill a bust? lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

why is hill a bust? lmao

Did you watch him in preseason? He looked like a prime Nick Hayden (that's #96 in the Romo era) against 3rd stringer offensive linemen out there. While our practice squad DT (Daniel Wise) was absolutely wrecking it out there. I still hold that he should have made the final roster, and the reason he didn't proves that this team isn't a true legit meritocracy.

[leemajors]

Did you watch him in preseason? He looked like a prime Nick Hayden (that's #96 in the Romo era) against 3rd stringer offensive linemen out there. While our practice squad DT (Daniel Wise) was absolutely wrecking it out there. I still hold that he should have made the final roster, and the reason he didn't proves that this team isn't a true legit meritocracy.

i know who hayden is you momo. i thought d lineman needed several years to mature?

[Millennial_Messiah]

i know who hayden is you momo. i thought d lineman needed several years to mature?

Elite D-linemen don't. Look at Miller, Ware, both Watts, both Bosas etc. I love DeMarcus, but second tier guys like him take 3 years to develop and then get sacks in bunches while disappearing for games at a time. Their season stats may look great but the truth is in an 18 sack season it might be 13 of those having come in 4 games against bad o-lines and the rest being sparsely sprinkled over the course of the rest of the season. that's the trend I've noticed with DeMarcus since 2017.

[leemajors]

tank didn't get a sack last game, but he was very disruptive and played at an elite level.

[Millennial_Messiah]

tank didn't get a sack last game, but he was very disruptive and played at an elite level.

the pass rush in general was pretty much non existent in the Redskins game, the game had a very 2014 or 2016 feel to it. Redskins moved the ball pretty much at will but the Cowboys did make some clutch tackles on 3rd down.

[Mark Celibate]

obviously happy as everyone else with how our offense looks, but us being hyped as a Superbowl contender already is typical marketing BS. None of our opponents have won a game, heck even Tampa Bay is putting it on the Giants. '

These next two weeks are going to be big. If we can handle Green Bay, I'll start buying into this being a potentially special season but if we lose another shoot out to Aaron Rodgers then it's same old Cowboys IMO

[Millennial_Messiah]

obviously happy as everyone else with how our offense looks, but us being hyped as a Superbowl contender already is typical marketing BS. None of our opponents have won a game, heck even Tampa Bay is putting it on the Giants. '

These next two weeks are going to be big. If we can handle Green Bay, I'll start buying into this being a potentially special season but if we lose another shoot out to Aaron Rodgers then it's same old Cowboys IMO
I don't think GB is as good as their record shows, especially on offense. They played a true bottom feeder at home today (game was pretty close), looked like shit against the Bears and were thoroughly outplayed after the first quarter by the Vikings and would have lost handily if Kirk Cousins had had half a brain. Diggs was a total dumbass too.

[manufan10]

that's 9 years not 10, and the most recent being a 1st round talent but a veteran that you have to pay pretty much immediately so you don't get the benefit of 4 cheap years and 1 somewhat below market value 5th year.

2010 - Dez Bryant. As I said, missing twice in ten years isn't a bad thing. They've actually done quite well in the draft. It's one of the reasons why they are in the position they are in. When was the last time they actually brought in a big time free agent and spent a lot of money on them? They've built a solid roster through the draft.

[Millennial_Messiah]

2010 - Dez Bryant. As I said, missing twice in ten years isn't a bad thing. They've actually done quite well in the draft. It's one of the reasons why they are in the position they are in. When was the last time they actually brought in a big time free agent and spent a lot of money on them? They've built a solid roster through the draft.

Carr
Hardy
Cobb wasn't that cheap either

[Millennial_Messiah]

6K

[Millennial_Messiah]

Rotten fucking night across the board tbh. Run defense got gashed, and the team still lost even though they didn't give up a touchdown. What the fuck.

[tlongII]

Good day for my hawks.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Good day for my hawks.

except that the Saints have the permanent tiebreaker now and they won


Thursday is probably a must win for both teams

[BackHome]

If Dax and Copper want a big pay day they going to have to show up big time in the next two games. What happened to our highest paid running back the Cowboys should have just played hard ball with him you still have 2 years one contract show up or get fined. It’s early but to me Pollard needs to be used as he has much better break away speed then Elliott

Very disappointed that teams can still run it down the middle on us still want a bigger run stopper someone who can push the offense line back into QB so they can’t step up and throw. Which also gives our ends more time to be able to get to QB.

If we loose against Green Bay pretty sure we will be looking for a new head coach for next season. A silver lining behind every dark cloud. Lol.

[Millennial_Messiah]

If Dax and Copper want a big pay day they going to have to show up big time in the next two games. What happened to our highest paid running back

Zak was far worse than Dax and Copper, tbh. But Carrott was the worst. Maybe Gerry and Steven will give him the axe if we go on a losing streak. Don't necessarily need to wait until the season is over.

[Genovaswitness]

cowboys need Antonio brown tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

cowboys need Antonio brown tbh

or bring back Dezzy poo

[Genovaswitness]

or bring back Dezzy poo

or both ftw

[spurraider21]

they're getting gallup back, they'll be ok

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Zak was far worse than Dax and Copper, tbh. But Carrott was the worst. Maybe Gerry and Steven will give him the axe if we go on a losing streak. Don't necessarily need to wait until the season is over.

whats up with the gay nicknames?

Did you forget to login into your Fabbs ​alt?

[Millennial_Messiah]

whats up with the gay nicknames?

Did you forget to login into your Fabbs ​alt?

was a joke post

[Mark Celibate]

obviously happy as everyone else with how our offense looks, but us being hyped as a Superbowl contender already is typical marketing BS. None of our opponents have won a game, heck even Tampa Bay is putting it on the Giants. '

These next two weeks are going to be big. If we can handle Green Bay, I'll start buying into this being a potentially special season but if we lose another shoot out to Aaron Rodgers then it's same old Cowboys IMO

yep, seen this movie too many times before

[Chris]

Good job fighting back from 31-3 and making it interesting. It's a long season, and no one got hurt afaik. Pack defesive players collapsing on the field when we run hurry up is disgusting and should be addressed in the offseason.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Good job fighting back from 31-3 and making it interesting. It's a long season, and no one got hurt afaik. Pack defesive players collapsing on the field when we run hurry up is disgusting and should be addressed in the offseason.
Collins sprained MCL or torn ACL, hope not the latter


losing 6x in a row at home against these same green goober queers has got to be more than enough to get garrettfaggot the axe... no point even trying for a super bowl because it won't feel right if it doesn't include redemption against green gay and the fudge packers...

[BackHome]

Offense sucked Dax going to regret not taking last offer we should not give him close to a Max
just like giving Elliott the Max was a terrible move

Big disappointment in defense not able to stop the run against a very poor running team.

Its looking like another 8 and 8 season to be honest.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Offense sucked Dax going to regret not taking last offer we should not give him close to a Max
just like giving Elliott the Max was a terrible move

Big disappointment in defense not able to stop the run against a very poor running team.

Its looking like another 8 and 8 season to be honest.
max? this is not basketball

[MultiTroll]

Did the catch get correctly awarded on replay?

Or did Carrots minor PMS get wrung up by butthurt ref with far worse PMS?

Only saw highlights with sound down. Did the Cowgirls get robbed on that one?

[DJR210]

Our defense is fucking trash.. They give up what? 5 YPA? I'm surprised the national talking heads haven't really pointed this out before allowing whatever that faggot's name is score 4 TD's on him.. We need to let some people walk and bring in a whole new wave of rookies to revamp this trash