Should’ve traded for Harris and the Clipper picks instead of DeRozan

[Amuseddaysleeper]

But the Spurs didn’t want to send nephew home because of their pride and went for the worse package from the Raptors

[slick'81]

If it was harris and two #1's the spurs should have seriously considered but who knows!?

[GreekSpursfan]

I bet that was never on the table because if it was then i agree

[Chinook]

Could certainly consider it if you'd known the guards were going to look so good. Still wouldn't have been that great unless the team could have turned those picks into more than prospects. Three guys drafted between 12-18 would have made for an awkward roster. Had they been able to work a deal for Kemba and held onto Green, that would have been interesting

Kemba, Murray
Green, White
Gay
Harris, Bertans
Aldridge, Gasol

While also having a pretty decent cap position. Maybe Gay doesn't re-up if DeRozan isn't part of the deal. Oh well. I really do like the team as is. DeMar just needs to get his head on straight.

[Fusternino]

I kept saying Kawhi for Harris/Harrell S&T/12/13 and was continually told it was an awful return.

LOL.

[Spurs da champs]

Poetl will forever be the worst part of the deal with the Raptors.

[Hoops Czar]

But the Spurs didn’t want to send nephew home because of their pride and went for the worse package from the Raptors
Yeah, but you should have seen all the girls scouts in the forum that wanted DeRozen, not to mention Timvp's post about DDR's dynamic offensive ability and HH37 calling him a star.

[Hoops Czar]

DeRozan on the season has a team leading on-off of -11.1 so it shouldn't even come as a surprise that he was a team leading -14 vs the Clippers.

[TheGreatYacht]

Trade both picks and whoever for Harris and Motley. Drunkford's ego couldn't send Kawhi to LA even if the better deal was there

[TXstbobcat]

We don’t even know if that offer was ever on the table.

[Hoops Czar]

But the Spurs didn’t want to send nephew home because of their pride and went for the worse package from the Raptors
Also, like the Lakers, the Clippers never would have made that trade because they were dealing from a position of strength.

[sananspursfan21]

Oh geez, here we go...

[BatManu20]

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[Budkin]

Give me a break. Dude is in a slump.

[Chinook]

I kept saying Kawhi for Harris/Harrell S&T/12/13 and was continually told it was an awful return.

LOL.

How many times are you going to say that and act like it was possible? You apparently remember being slighted, so I find it hard to believe you've forgotten the objective problems with the deal.

[Fusternino]

Yes, the Spurs never showed their hand with who they wanted drafted.

Anyways, awful game. At least the defense looked better in the 2nd half, tbh.

[daslicer]

Don't care TBH Harris and Harrell are not game changers.

[tbdog]

Firstly, to see how low the comparison is, you are comparing one of the worst DD runs in recent years to Harris best career run. Despite that, DD stats over the course of the season is ever so slightly better, to go along with some clutch shots this season. Over the 3 games they have played each other, they are pretty close.

DD 22ppg 8.3reb 4.6ast 2.6stl 1blk 2.6to 41% 0% 86%
TH 20.3ppg 8reb 5.6ast 1.3stl .6blk 1.6to 52% 41% 66%

Harris is a free agent and DD is locked up for another season. There is no comparison, Spurs did the right choice getting Tor package over LAC.

[DAF86]

Easily. Would have a better team now:

White/Mills or Alexander
Green/Belinelli
Gay/Bridges or Forbes
Harris/Bertans
Aldridge/Gasol or Harrel

And all those promising pieces for the future: Alexander, Harris, White, Murray, Walker, Bridges, Bertans, Harrel, Forbes, Metu.

It would have been the mother of all rebuilds while still competing.

[Play Boban]

Poetl will forever be the worst part of the deal with the Raptors.
Go back to watching the Teletubbies tbh.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Easily. Would have a better team now:

White/Mills or Alexander
Green/Belinelli
Gay/Bridges or Forbes
Harris/Bertans
Aldridge/Gasol or Harrel

And all those promising pieces for the future: Alexander, Harris, White, Murray, Walker, Bridges, Bertans, Harrel, Forbes, Metu.

It would have been the mother of all rebuilds while still competing.


With the goods per par :tu

[MoSpur02]

Clippers were fallback plan if the deal with/Toronto wouldn't have gone through.

[Spurs da champs]

Go back to watching the Teletubbies tbh.
Thought you had something smart to say for once, obviously I was wrong. Back to ignore you go.

[tbdog]

Easily. Would have a better team now:

White/Mills or Alexander
Green/Belinelli
Gay/Bridges or Forbes
Harris/Bertans
Aldridge/Gasol or Harrel

And all those promising pieces for the future: Alexander, Harris, White, Murray, Walker, Bridges, Bertans, Harrel, Forbes, Metu.

It would have been the mother of all rebuilds while still competing.

Remove Harrell because it would be impossible. Essentially your swapping Alexander, Bridges and Green for Poeltl here, and Spurs are yet to use raptors pick and could also lose Harris (or over pay him greatly).

By the off season it could be Alexander, bridges for Leonard. Bravo, what a future.

[UnWantedTheory]

I kept saying Kawhi for Harris/Harrell S&T/12/13 and was continually told it was an awful return.

LOL.
You were also continuously told of it's impossibility. I believe it was Chinook who broke it down for you bruh.

[DAF86]

Remove Harrell because it would be impossible. Essentially your swapping Alexander, Bridges and Green for Poeltl here, and Spurs are yet to use raptors pick and could also lose Harris (or over pay him greatly).

By the off season it could be Alexander, bridges for Leonard. Bravo, what a future.

How's that still not better than what we got? :lol

[Rusty]

Clippers definitely offered Harris and picks. Spurs just didn't want to oblige Kawhi

Clippers GM is stalking Kawhi this entire season for christ sakes:lol

[duncan2k5]

Firstly, to see how low the comparison is, you are comparing one of the worst DD runs in recent years to Harris best career run. Despite that, DD stats over the course of the season is ever so slightly better, to go along with some clutch shots this season. Over the 3 games they have played each other, they are pretty close.

DD 22ppg 8.3reb 4.6ast 2.6stl 1blk 2.6to 41% 0% 86%
TH 20.3ppg 8reb 5.6ast 1.3stl .6blk 1.6to 52% 41% 66%

Harris is a free agent and DD is locked up for another season. There is no comparison, Spurs did the right choice getting Tor package over LAC.

Lol

[Twisted_Dawg]

I'm even thinking some of those early wild rumored offers from the Lakers would have been far better than the horrible Raptor trade.

[TheGreatYacht]

Don't care TBH Harris and Harrell are not game changers.
And that's why you're the forum clown :lol

Harrell is elite on both sides. He's a 20 & 10 guy if allowed to start and he's a great defender. If that's not a game changer you're smoking penis, buddy. As for Tobias, I'd swap him for DePression right now. You can't teach 44% shooting from three.

[TheGreatYacht]

Aldridge/Harrell
Gay/Bertans
Harris
Walker/Belinelli
White/Forbes

Thats a second seed in the West, at worst. Amick reported that the Clips were also willing to part with one of their two lottery picks as well. PATFO put their ego ahead of the team once again. Couldn't let Kawhi haunt this franchise in the West and let him be in LA even if it was the best deal.

[HarlemHeat37]

DeRozan deal was BY FAR the best option for what Pop wanted to accomplish(keep the team relevant, acquire a name, don't give Kawhi what he wants)..what the posters here wanted is literally meaningless..

[TheGreatYacht]

DeRozan deal was BY FAR the best option for what Pop wanted to accomplish(keep the team relevant, acquire a name, don't give Kawhi what he wants)..
Yup. Said this the day the trade happened. Be good enough to get swept in the first round.


what the posters here wanted is literally meaningless..
Everything that is posted here is meaningless :lol it's a forum...

[ECOV]

Cry babies :lobt2:

[Fusternino]

It wasn't an impossible deal, it just required a lot of pre-planning 1) heavily hinting at who to pick at 12/13 and 2) hoping no one threw a crazy offer at Harrell.

I still think Spurs pick LWIV and probably go for Miles Bridges. We'd still need a big and Mitchell Robinson was on the radar.

Unfortunately, PATFO were too delusional (thinking they would keep Kawhi even in early-mid July) so they never showed the signs Jerry West needed to see.

Murray/White/Mills
Green/LWIV
Gay/Bridges
Harris/Harrell
LMA/Gasol/Robinson

And yes some of the criticism was from the logistics of the trade (needed certain chips to fall into place) but a majority of it was just people telling me it was an awful return. On the Spurs subreddit it was almost entirely telling me it would be an awful return.

I would've just been happy to have Harris over DDR for age, defensive and spacing reasons.

[james evans]

Seeing spurs fans turn on DD for being himself is like trump supporters mad cuz they ain’t being paid

[CGD]

Was Harris and the 2 picks actually on the table though? That was a lot of conjecture on this forum, but not clear that was offered right?

Anyway, I think SA balked because they wanted cost control over the “established star” and Harris can still walk

[superbigtime]

I don't fault FO. People woulda been screaming had KL been traded to LA. DDR is in a funk, but he is a moody surly guy for sure.

[duncan2150]

But harell was not in any package. We should talk about Harris and picks.

And i also think that harell is a very interesting player since his collège days.

[Chinook]

It wasn't an impossible deal, it just required a lot...

... a lot of illegal tampering. You could literally just stop adding Harrell into the deal, and it would be legal, but you won't and probably didn't back when folks were giving your flack. Your scenario where the Clippers draft for the Spurs without knowing that a trade is there isn't realistic, and any bit of security PATFO could offer would have been against the rules.

[Chinook]

Was Harris and the 2 picks actually on the table though? That was a lot of conjecture on this forum, but not clear that was offered right?

Anyway, I think SA balked because they wanted cost control over the “established star” and Harris can still walk

It was on the table in the sense that I think most felt like LAC would go that high if forced, but we never saw an offer than had both picks or Harris added in. I think it was something like one of the picks and Gallo. Remember, West is the same guy who apparently wanted a first to switch Avery Bradley for Danny Green. Not someone who's looking to just make a fair deal with PATFO.

[SuperCam]

I was saying this all off season, as others will attest to. poop let his ego and hurt feelings get in the way of this one

[SuperCam]

Aldridge/Harrell
Gay/Bertans
Harris
Walker/Belinelli
White/Forbes

Thats a second seed in the West, at worst. Amick reported that the Clips were also willing to part with one of their two lottery picks as well. PATFO put their ego ahead of the team once again. Couldn't let Kawhi haunt this franchise in the West and let him be in LA even if it was the best deal.

not to mention no long term cap tie ups in DeCancer smh :bang

[rascal]

I also said the Clipper trade was the way to go and draft Mikal Bridges and Porter at 12 and 13. You take a shot at Porter because of his star potential.

[rascal]

I don't fault FO. People woulda been screaming had KL been traded to LA. DDR is in a funk, but he is a moody surly guy for sure.

It would have been better sending him to the Clippers than having him end up with the Lakers next year.

[tbdog]

How's that still not better than what we got? :lol

Because next year DD and Poeltl alone is better than Bridges and Alexander. Not to mention the Tor pick has yet to be used.

[DAF86]

Because next year DD and Poeltl alone is better than Bridges and Alexander. Not to mention the Tor pick has yet to be used.

Yeah, no. I would rather have the two promising rooks and the cap space. With them at least you have the hope of uncertainty. You already know what you're gonna get with DeRozan, and I have to say, it's not something that is very exciting to me.

[Degoat]

It’s just a rough stretch for DeMar, people need to chill. It’s not like any team other then the warriors are gonna win it this year. Just gotta hope the spurs remain a playoff team and eventually find another potential star in the draft

[SequSpur]

I agree. DeRozan has no balls and is soft.. Poetl? LMAO......

Pop should've been fired.

[rascal]

It’s just a rough stretch for DeMar, people need to chill. It’s not like any team other then the warriors are gonna win it this year. Just gotta hope the spurs remain a playoff team and eventually find another potential star in the draft

If you want them to find a star then it is better they fall into the lottery and get lucky to get a top 5 pick.

[tbdog]

Yeah, no. I would rather have the two promising rooks and the cap space. With them at least you have the hope of uncertainty. You already know what you're gonna get with DeRozan, and I have to say, it's not something that is very exciting to me.

There is an outside chance that any of those rooks would ever be close to as good as DD. And unsure how much cap space would be available or could be used on a market where there are a lot of teams with cap space this off season coming. There would be a good chance that Spurs may have to part ways with LMA and rebuild. That would be exciting /s

[DAF86]

There is an outside chance that any of those rooks would ever be close to as good as DD. And unsure how much cap space would be available or could be used on a market where there are a lot of teams with cap space this off season coming. There would be a good chance that Spurs may have to part ways with LMA and rebuild. That would be exciting /s

Mmh, yeah.

[Degoat]

If you want them to find a star then it is better they fall into the lottery and get lucky to get a top 5 pick.

I agree it would be sweet to have a top 5 pick but I have confidence the spurs can find a star late in the draft as well. I mean dejounte was the 29th pick and people in the spurs organization believe he’ll be an all star one day. White has looked awesome this year to me, and I still have high hopes for Lonnie walker too.

[tbdog]

Mmh, yeah.

So yay for playoff droughts.

[Mirrornick]

Harris was not even that good last year. He is in a contract year.

[vavvi]

Harris is not that good in general. It's a massive overreaction on the game we should have won by 30 if we showed at least some effort.