Lunatic Mike Pence hell beng on turning South America into a warzone

[hater]

This lunatic bastard and to think hes one heartbeat or Muller lie away from being U S president :lol

Openly calling to a coup in venezuela and publicly proclaiming Maduro is a dictar and his opponent the real president of venezuela :lmao

Hes also working with lunatic Bolsonaro to install US military base from where they will perform incursions i to any south american country not following US footstep. (Venezuela, bolivia...)

This retarded fuckface has put all his momey in to Maduro being couped this year

He wants to turn latin america into middle east

Fuck this asshole

[baseline bum]

GOP loon wants war with brown people in Central/South America? That's a dog bites man kind of story, hater.

[hater]

GOP loon wants war with brown people in Central/South America? That's a dog bites man kind of story, hater.

Well its been a while ma niga

I am talking about US troops and special forces in South america havent seen that in large scale for a couple decades

Even bloodthirsty W was smart enough to kill ppl thousands of miles away

Pence is the devil and hopefully this fuck never smells the oval office tbqh

[Nathan89]

WW3?

[Spurtacular]

Pence is basically a warkhawk Dem that wants to defund Planned Parenthood (that part isn't bad, but it's what triggers chumpettes). God help us if he's ever president. Hope Repubs are smart enough not to nominate him in 2024.

[hater]

Pence is basically a warkhawk Dem that wants to defund Planned Parenthood (that part isn't bad, but it's what triggers chumpettes). God help us if he's ever president. Hope Repubs are smart enough not to nominate him in 2024.

is Pence a Trump supporter? yes or no?

[Spurtacular]

is Pence a Trump supporter? yes or no?

He's a snake in the grass. Can see that from a mile away.

[rmt]

Pence is basically a warkhawk Dem that wants to defund Planned Parenthood (that part isn't bad, but it's what triggers chumpettes). God help us if he's ever president. Hope Repubs are smart enough not to nominate him in 2024.

It'll probably be Nikki Haley.

[Spurtacular]

...

[Spurtacular]

It'll probably be Nikki Haley.

Maybe; but I hope not, tbh.

[Spurminator]

Pence is basically a warkhawk Dem

:lol

[Spurtacular]

:lol

Like the one you voted for in 2016, schmuck. :lmao

[Spurminator]

Like the one you voted for in 2016, schmuck. :lmao

You spend hours a day on here talking about politics and you've come to the conclusion that Mike Pence is basically Hillary Clinton.

:lol

[Spurtacular]

You spend hours a day on here talking about politics and you've come to the conclusion that Mike Pence is basically Hillary Clinton.

:lol

Both would fuck up the world given the chance. If you want to split hairs from there, I don't see the point.

[hater]

He's a snake in the grass. Can see that from a mile away.

For 2
And 1/2 years? Who picked him as his VP?

[Spurtacular]

For 2
And 1/2 years? Who picked him as his VP?

Picked for electoral reasons. Trump would've picked Christie or someone if he was picking who he wanted.

[hater]

Picked for electoral reasons. Trump would've picked Christie or someone if he was picking who he wanted.

But why would he pick a snake in the grass you can smell from a mile away or a Hillary clone as you say? Why pick a clone of his arch enemy?

[Spurtacular]

But why would he pick a snake in the grass you can smell from a mile away or a Hillary clone as you say? Why pick a clone of his arch enemy?

He's a useful tool to Trump.

[hater]

He's a useful tool to Trump.

Because hes Hillary Clinton? If I get what you mean Pence is good insurance for Trump.

[Spurtacular]

Because hes Hillary Clinton? If I get what you mean Pence is good insurance for Trump.

Trump was very complimentary of HC back in the day if you haven't forgotten. I think Trump saw Pence as a good electoral enhancer first and foremost. He probably found some value in him as an administrative cog. I don't know if he sized up just how seedy the man is or not.

[Spurminator]

Both would fuck up the world given the chance. If you want to split hairs from there, I don't see the point.

:lol Mike Pence is totally a Democrat though.

It's okay to dislike Mike Pence and be conservative. You don't have to stretch your convictions to the point where you're claiming he's liberal. That just makes you look stupid. You're sacrificing your dignity to be a team player.

[Winehole23]

Any conservative who disappoints or disagrees with Derp is no true conservative. Congruity with Derp is apparently the measure.

[Spurtacular]

:lol Mike Pence is totally a Democrat though.

It's okay to dislike Mike Pence and be conservative. You don't have to stretch your convictions to the point where you're claiming he's liberal. That just makes you look stupid. You're sacrificing your dignity to be a team player.

Pence doesn't have true core values. He's in it for himself. Why do you think I'm supposed to go to bat for the guy?

[Spurtacular]

Any conservative who disappoints or disagrees with Derp is no true conservative. Congruity with Derp is apparently the measure.

This goes with what you've espoused. Or did you already forget calling Democrats the true conservatives?

:lmao Dipshithole23

[hater]

Pence doesn't have true core values. He's in it for himself. Why do you think I'm supposed to go to bat for the guy?

Which politician right now has true core values?

[Spurtacular]

Which politician right now has true core values?

Rand Paul.

[Winehole23]

did you already forget calling Democrats the true conservatives?Not at all.

The Republicans have been the party of radical change since 1994, so clearly so there could never be any mistake about it.

[Winehole23]

Rand Paul.what are those values?

[Spurtacular]

what are those values?

Obviously radical; amirite?

[Winehole23]

Obviously radical; amirite?what are those core values?

[Winehole23]

these values?


Close
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwHDev6V4AAvIEh.jpg:large

[Winehole23]

lol Trump the peacemaker

[hater]

Rand Paul.

Cant disagree

I would add Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders :tu

[hater]

lol Trump the peacemaker

If he can successfully wrestle the neocons and generals (big if) our troops to go home from syria and afghanistan and keep his peace negotiation with Kim Kong, then he truly is the peacemaker.

Especially next to his 3 blood stained predecessors

[spurraider21]

Pence is basically a warkhawk Dem that wants to defund Planned Parenthood (that part isn't bad, but it's what triggers chumpettes). God help us if he's ever president. Hope Repubs are smart enough not to nominate him in 2024.
:lmao

[Winehole23]

If he can successfully wrestle the neocons and generals (big if) our troops to go home from syria and afghanistan and keep his peace negotiation with Kim Kong, then he truly is the peacemaker. You're far more sanguine than I about the latter. Trump is a terrible deal maker.

As for existing war zones, all he's done is ramp it up. We'll see if the threatened withdrawal from Syria sticks.

[Spurminator]

Pence doesn't have true core values. He's in it for himself. Why do you think I'm supposed to go to bat for the guy?

"Basically a warhawk Dem" were your words. So it's your belief that Mike Pence secretly holds mostly liberal beliefs and is only pretending to be a conservative? What beliefs, specifically, do you think he holds that are primarily Democrat positions? What does it say about conservatives who've continued to elect him to powerful Republican posts the past two decades?

[Spurminator]

The funniest thing about this is that you're offering this ridiculous conspiracy theory about Mike Pence in defense of a President who actually WAS a registered Democrat at points in his life.

[Winehole23]

Opposition candidate has just sworn himself in as intirim president of Venezuela and Trump has recognized him.

[hater]

You're far more sanguine than I about the latter. Trump is a terrible deal maker.


Just the fact he met Kim Kong and issued order to withdraw from syria and afghan alone puts him way ahead his 3 or 4 predecessors in “peacemaker” race



As for existing war zones, all he's done is ramp it up. We'll see if the threatened withdrawal from Syria sticks.

Disagree.

[hater]

Opposition candidate has just sworn himself in as intirim president of Venezuela and Trump has recognized him.

Sure but this is lunatic Mike Pences pet project

Turn latin america into middle east

Fucking lunatic

[apalisoc_9]

This lunatic bastard and to think hes one heartbeat or Muller lie away from being U S president :lol

Openly calling to a coup in venezuela and publicly proclaiming Maduro is a dictar and his opponent the real president of venezuela :lmao

Hes also working with lunatic Bolsonaro to install US military base from where they will perform incursions i to any south american country not following US footstep. (Venezuela, bolivia...)

This retarded fuckface has put all his momey in to Maduro being couped this year

He wants to turn latin america into middle east

Fuck this asshole

Operation condor 2.0?

South America gonna compete with ME now for mass murders of innocent civilians by the west all the while clamiming rightousness.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/kylekulinski/status/1088145439579357184?s=21

This is why Pence is evil

He is possibly the true anti christ IMO

Hope Trump serves out his term

[hater]

:lmao recognizing as president a niga even without election results or even military arm possession

These nigas must be doing some serious PCP

Lets see what the other south american retarded slave countries do. My guess is most will bend over for Pence

https://twitter.com/roajavier/status/1088146208097554432?s=21

Even Ukranian coup was better staged :lol now they dont even bother to stage anything :lmao

[hater]

On a related note :lol

https://twitter.com/reason/status/1088108609420943365?s=21

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1087891254875168768?s=21

https://twitter.com/jostreett/status/1088088307047809024?s=21


Maduro should meet mcafee at the dock and recognize him as US president tbqh :lmao

That would be aome epic shit

[hater]

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1088142085386063872?s=21

https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1087838890428223488?s=21

[Pavlov]

On a related note :lol

https://twitter.com/reason/status/1088108609420943365?s=21

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1087891254875168768?s=21

https://twitter.com/jostreett/status/1088088307047809024?s=21


Maduro should meet mcafee at the dock and recognize him as US president tbqh :lmao

That would be aome epic shitDude eats shit.

Literally.

[hater]

:lmao stupid fucking pence forgot to check that maduro still has aboit 50% support and the military and supreme court :lmao

https://twitter.com/turksemargriet/status/1088175142235193345?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/electro_tr/status/1088180990873427983?s=21

:lol

[hater]

https://twitter.com/venanalysis/status/1088181908733902848?s=21

[hater]

Marco Rubio :lmao

Another fucken lunatic mates. We surrounded by them

https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1088183365013069825?s=21

[hater]

:lol legitimate president

We have entered the twilight zone :wow

[hater]

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1088154825685196801?s=21

[hater]

Trump good now

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1088138193076146176?s=20

[hater]

https://twitter.com/OffGuardian0/status/1088144297407463424?s=20

[Pavlov]

Trump good now

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1088138193076146176?s=20did you call this, hater?

[Spurtacular]

"Basically a warhawk Dem" were your words. So it's your belief that Mike Pence secretly holds mostly liberal beliefs and is only pretending to be a conservative? What beliefs, specifically, do you think he holds that are primarily Democrat positions? What does it say about conservatives who've continued to elect him to powerful Republican posts the past two decades?

He saw how GWB did it. Throw some tokens but be big govt. at the end of the day.

[Pavlov]

:lol rando twitter beat hater to it.
1088218814150598657

[apalisoc_9]

They just used a fake video to incite more rebellion in Venezuela. The US plays dirty. Divivde and Conquor.

The venezuelans need to learn from the middle east.

[CosmicCowboy]

They just used a fake video to incite more rebellion in Venezuela. The US plays dirty. Divivde and Conquor.

The venezuelans need to learn from the middle east.

You support Maduro?

[apalisoc_9]

You support Maduro?

I am against imperialism.

[CosmicCowboy]

I am against imperialism.

Lmao. How fucking noble. The US didn't plot this. Glad to know you support corrupt dictators starving their citizens though.

[clambake]

Lmao. How fucking noble. The US didn't plot this. Glad to know you support corrupt dictators starving their citizens though.

yes, i feel bad for the govt. employees.

[CosmicCowboy]

yes, i feel bad for the govt. employees.

:lol

Hyperbole much? You are smarter than that.

[clambake]

:lol

Hyperbole much? You are smarter than that.

lol still fun.



hillary sucks and trump is a crook and a liar. they deserve to be bookends.



how does anyone support these people?

[hater]

You support Maduro?

He doesnt have to to call US meddling as it is.

Good on you apalolisoc :tu. Spread the truth

[hater]

I am against imperialism.

:tu

[hater]

Lmao. How fucking noble. The US didn't plot this. Glad to know you support corrupt dictators starving their citizens though.

They just handpicked their own president for the country

:lmao of course they plotted this, moron :lol

[Pavlov]

They just handpicked their own president for the country

:lmao of course they plotted this, moron :lolDid you call Trump's doing this?

[boutons_deux]

with Trash and Pince hitting VZ, looks like more deflection

[Winehole23]

Did you call Trump's doing this?ALL PENCE

[hater]

Trump is a stupid fuck orange bastard for this but again this is Pences toy project

He toured all over South America last year talking regime change in venezuela

He came back and tweeted non stop about it

He made the OAS run against venezuela

He waited for Bolsonaro to be sworn in before tweeting the recognition of his new president :lol

“But trump” :cry

[Pavlov]

Trump is a stupid fuck orange bastard for this but again this is Pences toy project

He toured all over South America last year talking regime change in venezuela

He came back and tweeted non stop about it

He made the OAS run against venezuela

He waited for Bolsonaro to be sworn in before tweeting the recognition of his new president :lol

“But trump” :crySo Trump is Pence's puppet now.

lol hater

[Winehole23]

Lmao. How fucking noble. The US didn't plot this. Glad to know you support corrupt dictators starving their citizens though.Other countries laid sanctions and economic pressure on Venezuela. The starvation wasn't 100% self-inflicted. The USA did nothing to avert this result and something to reach it.

[Winehole23]

You don't have to like Maduro or the current regime whatsoever to acknowledge that the USA had a hand in its current economic situation, one borne by the general populace and not so much the political elite.

[DarrinS]

Just let Democratic socialism run it's natural course.

[DarrinS]

Not our job to save every shithole country, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Other countries laid sanctions and economic pressure on Venezuela. The starvation wasn't 100% self-inflicted. The USA did nothing to avert this result and something to reach it.

Well someone is smart enough to realize this.

To be fair, Maduro and even chavez hasnt done enough to increase its trade with its natural allies and thats why they're in such a mess. They're only slighlty better than North Korea.

If Maduro can get through this, he needs to increase his economic relationships with Iran, Russia, China, Qatar even more.

Africa is doing this now.

[Winehole23]

Just let Democratic socialism run it's natural course.So glib and so ignorant.

How is Venezuela like the DSA?

Are the two even related?

Be as specific as you can.

[DarrinS]

So glib and so ignorant.

How Venezuela is like the DSA?

Are the two even related?

Be as specific as you can.


I knew I would trigger your inner sanctimonious virtue-signalling spidey sense. :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Trump is a stupid fuck orange bastard for this but again this is Pences toy project

He toured all over South America last year talking regime change in venezuela

He came back and tweeted non stop about it

He made the OAS run against venezuela

He waited for Bolsonaro to be sworn in before tweeting the recognition of his new president :lol

“But trump” :cry

Son doesnt colombia support trump and guido :lol

I mean i know colombia is practiclly a puppet state but still :lol

[Winehole23]

I knew I would trigger your inner sanctimonious virtue-signalling spidey sense. :lmaoYou can't sustain your own claim.

Totally unsurprising.

[Winehole23]

Well someone is smart enough to realize this.

To be fair, Maduro and even chavez hasnt done enough to increase its trade with its natural allies and thats why they're in such a mess. They're only slighlty better than North Korea.

If Maduro can get through this, he needs to increase his economic relationships with Iran, Russia, China, Qatar even more.

Africa is doing this now.Maduro is a POS, but he's their POS.

It's not the job of the USA to say who should be in charge there.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL8d91vdR9g

[Spurtacular]

Maduro is a POS, but he's their POS.

It's not the job of the USA to say who should be in charge there.

Your lords disagree.

https://wwwdotthreadsdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/hillary-clinton-laughs-about-the-brutal-murder-of-gaddafi.jpg?w=500

https://www.aim.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/042012_fr_assad_640.jpg

[Winehole23]

^^^ I have no idea what you're talking about.

The elections were totally screwed up. There's a legit complaint about legitimacy.

Do you think it's the USA's job to sort the mess out?

[Pavlov]

Your lords disagree.

https://wwwdotthreadsdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/hillary-clinton-laughs-about-the-brutal-murder-of-gaddafi.jpg?w=500

https://www.aim.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/042012_fr_assad_640.jpgSo it's OK when Trump does it.

[Winehole23]

and while you're at it, go ahead and list who else's screwed up elections it's the USA's job to solve.

[Spurtacular]

So it's OK when Trump does it.

I haven't listed a position. I've not yet properly analyzed the intel.

Was it okay what your lords did?

[Winehole23]

let us know when you've read up on the topic you want to criticize others for having a take on.

[clambake]

without imperialism, this wouldn't be the same u.s.a.



venezuela has oil. this has nothing to do with message board posters.

[ElNono]

Putin supports Maduro, tbh... that's what's probably keeping Dennison on the fence about attacking...

[apalisoc_9]

Putin supports Maduro, tbh... that's what's probably keeping Dennison on the fence about attacking...

:lol

Putin gives zero fucks about Venezuela. :lol

[Isitjustme?]

Pence is basically a warkhawk Dem

:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol

Putin gives zero fucks about Venezuela. :lol

You might want to check on that claim. Russia has lots of ties to Venezuela through weapon sales and loans. Ironically, Russia will own half of US based citgo oil company if Venezuela defaults. THAT will be interesting to watch.

[boutons_deux]

:lol

Putin gives zero fucks about Venezuela. :lol

he would certainly give a big fuck about VZ not exporting oil to limit supply and perhaps VZ becoming an importer.

[hater]

Son doesnt colombia support trump and guido :lol

I mean i know colombia is practiclly a puppet state but still :lol

Yes colombia is basically a US colony a slave state of the US. Has been for years

[hater]

Maduro is a POS, but he's their POS.

It's not the job of the USA to say who should be in charge there.

Truth bomb

Its like Pence saying sky is not blue but red and aome slave states following through :lol

[AaronY]

WW3?
:lol hater getting dunked on by Nathan89 even :lmao

Time to hang em up tbh

[hater]

Putin supports Maduro, tbh... that's what's probably keeping Dennison on the fence about attacking...

Of course they do as any other sane law abiding nation :lol

He won the last elections by over 60% and all the other candidates acknowledged it.

The “opposition” skipped the election and now bitch a year later m

Its like Spurs skipping game 7 of 2014 because “it was rigged” and a year later claiming they won the series :lmao

Its that fucking retarded and yet we are here. Fucking twilight zone :lol

[AaronY]

7 rolling emojis etc

[hater]

7 rolling emojis etc

Called dat shit :tu

[hater]

Little Marco has gone off the deep end :lmao

Holy shit living in bizarro world :lol

https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1088395365580185606?s=21

Getting obliterated in the responses to take care of opening US government first :lmao :lol

:lol rubi:lol

[hater]

This attempted coup will go way of the Erdoshit coup which means nowhere. As long as Maduro keeps his supreme court and his military that is.

Also if US threatens to attack, Maduros people which are majority of the poor will take to the streets en masse in the millions and nothing can be done at that point.

It would be some next level twilight zone shit if the fake president asks US military to come help and Pence says ok. Maduro should respond in kind and ask Russian/Turkish/Chinese military to come in

[hater]

https://twitter.com/ulu_manitu/status/1088415752225468421?s=21

[CosmicCowboy]

he would certainly give a big fuck about VZ not exporting oil to limit supply and perhaps VZ becoming an importer.

Russia has billions of dollars of loans to Venezuela that they pay back in oil. another fun fact is they are building a Kalashnikov factory in Nicaragua that is ready to come on line.

[hater]

Just let Democratic socialism run it's natural course.

By “natural” course you mean US blocking access to international financial markets and getting your gold confiscated by UK amiright?

[boutons_deux]

Factbox: Oil, loans, military - Russia's exposure to Venezuela

Of late, Moscow has become Venezuela’s lender of last resort, with the government and Rosneft (ROSN.MM (https://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=ROSN.MM))

handing Venezuela at least $17 billion in loans and credit lines since 2006,

Below is data on Russia’s involvement with Venezuela.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-russia-factbox/factbox-oil-loans-military-russias-exposure-to-venezuela-idUSKCN1PI1T4?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29

[cheguevara]

Unorthodox imperialist move

More brazen than gulf of tonkin, panama coup or mexican american war. US just decided to make up their own alternative facts from one day to another.

Reminds me of the passage of 1984 that goes something like “the Party imposed a lie and all followers accepted the lie and it passed into history and became truth. The Party told you to reject the evidence from your eyes and ears”

And their motives to believe this will work “who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past”

[cheguevara]

:lol

Putin gives zero fucks about Venezuela. :lol


Dont think so. Russia has heavy investments in Russia. They also in their response said Venezuella is an “ally” of Russia (key word and very telling) and warned of “catastrophic” consequences if Empire continues their attack.

It hasnt happened yet because Venezuela is no Panama, they actually have decent air defenses including 8 brigades of s300 same ones that defend syria. Chavez was smart he also has about a 2 million man militia on stand by. Because of this not brazil nor colombia dare intervene militarily. A US attack wild take some time to organize as they would need a massive force. But this brazen act by Imperialists is a huge sign violent days are ahead.

[DarrinS]

By “natural” course you mean US blocking access to international financial markets and getting your gold confiscated by UK amiright?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-pdvsa-military-specialrepor-idUSKCN1OP0RZ

[hater]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-pdvsa-military-specialrepor-idUSKCN1OP0RZ

So losing world financial markets and their gold reserves have nothing to do with it amiright?

[apalisoc_9]

Dont think so. Russia has heavy investments in Russia. They also in their response said Venezuella is an “ally” of Russia (key word and very telling) and warned of “catastrophic” consequences if Empire continues their attack.

It hasnt happened yet because Venezuela is no Panama, they actually have decent air defenses including 8 brigades of s300 same ones that defend syria. Chavez was smart he also has about a 2 million man militia on stand by. Because of this not brazil nor colombia dare intervene militarily. A US attack wild take some time to organize as they would need a massive force. But this brazen act by Imperialists is a huge sign violent days are ahead.

I was thinking in relative terms. I'm not sure gives enough fuck but we'll see. I'm not a fan of maduro, but I'm personally sick amd tired of US Lies and propaganda. Millions of innocents have died in the ME and same thing will happen in the south america if the US keeps meddeling.

[hater]

Events to watch in next few hours nigas:
- US response to Russian statements. Will they double down? Ya betcha
- but but why would Putin puppet at the WH attack a Putin ally??? Can someone on the resitanze explain? :lol
- US diplomats in Caracas are told to stay put by US after told by Maudro to GTFO. US artificially creating a diplomatic crisis.....

[DarrinS]

- but but why would Putin puppet at the WH attack a Putin ally??? Can someone on the resitanze explain? :lol


Good question.

[apalisoc_9]

Events to watch in next few hours nigas:
- US response to Russian statements. Will they double down? Ya betcha
- but but why would Putin puppet at the WH attack a Putin ally??? Can someone on the resitanze explain? :lol
- US diplomats in Caracas are told to stay put by US after told by Maudro to GTFO. US artificially creating a diplomatic crisis.....

Cant maduro just ship their assess out?

[CosmicCowboy]

It's all about how the military flips. They are going to have to get assurances from the new guys they wont be prosecuted and can keep the mordita they have banked.

[hater]

Cant maduro just ship their assess out?

Lunatic Pence and Little Marco would call this a “violent aggression” against our diplomats and start the bombing campaign

uS is actually probably baiting Maduro with this

What Maduro should do is cut the power to the embassy buildings and call it a day :lol

[hater]

It's all about how the military flips. They are going to have to get assurances from the new guys they wont be prosecuted and can keep the mordita they have banked.


Military already stated they support Maduro:

https://twitter.com/stepozzebon/status/1088460487891705856?s=21

Only chance this has is some generals rebel but this is a long shot

[hater]

Venezuela has elections. Juan Guaido has never even been a Presidential candidate. Despite massive CIA opposition funding and interference over years as Big Oil tries to regain control of the World’s largest oil reserves, Nicolas Maduro was democratically re-elected in 2018 as President of Venezuela.

The coup now under way is illegitimate.

When I was in the FCO, the rule on recognition was very plain and very openly stated – the UK recognised the government which had “effective control of the territory”, whatever the attributes of that government. This is a very well established principle of international law. There were very rare exceptions involving continuing to support ousted governments. The pre-1939 Polish government in exile was the most obvious example, though once Nazism was defeated Britain moved to recognise the Communist government actually in charge, to the fury of exiled Poles. I was involved in the question of the continued recognition of President Kabbah of Sierra Leone during the period in which he was ousted by military coup.

But I can think of no precedent at all for recognising a President who does not have and has never had control of the country – and has never been a candidate for President. This idea of the West simply trying to impose a suitably corrupt and biddable leader is really a very startling development. It is astonishing the MSM commentariat and political class appear to see no problem with it. It is a quite extraordinary precedent, and doubtless will lead to many new imperialist adventures.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/01/the-coup-in-venezuela-must-be-resisted/

[DAF86]

The before/after of US freedom:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZKofq8WQAAYrB_.jpg

[leemajors]

Sure but this is lunatic Mike Pences pet project

Turn latin america into middle east

Fucking lunatic

They've been doing this in SA for decades, no?

[hater]

They've been doing this in SA for decades, no?

Not quite the same. Sure US has been sponsoring coups and killing SA presidents for decades. But that job was mainly tasked to CIA covert ops and US trained paramilitary groups of each country.

This is totally different. This has the potential of an actual civil war with US and other international military involvement.

To be fair it seems this is also Rubio’s pet project. Its evient Trump has relegated SA command to those 2 lunatics Rubio and Pence.

[ElNono]

On one hand, it's difficult not to recognize that Maduro is another iteration of the cheap SA dictator, tbh...

We can talk about him winning elections, but we also would have to gloss over that the Congressional opposition also won their elections, and he not only unconstitutionally stripped Congress of all power, but also jailed/persecuted them.

Or the fact that to get rations from the government you need to show a digital ID card which tells them who you voted for.

On the other hand, there's the sovereignty argument. The US could've simply not recognized the results of the last elections, and stopped there.

Recognizing an unelected president and/or getting involved in the internal politics of another nation is the kind of stuff that consistently make the US look bad in the region (or worldwide?).

No easy answers on this. I suppose the death toll in the next few days will have some sort of incidence on what are the next steps...

[ElNono]

Also to keep in mind is the regional situation, with resurgent right-wing governments in Brazil/Argentina, and Maduro being one of the last vestiges of the hard left in the region, alongside Evo.

[DAF86]

Also to keep in mind is the regional situation, with resurgent right-wing governments in Brazil/Argentina, and Maduro being one of the last vestiges of the hard left in the region, alongside Evo.

That shit is dying before it had the chance of being conceived. Even with all the media aparatus behind him, the cat isn't winning another election, tbh. :lol

[ElNono]

That shit is dying before it had the chance of being conceived. Even with all the media aparatus behind him, the cat isn't winning another election, tbh. :lol

Could be, but he's the current president, and it's doubtful hard-left like Cristina can come back either. Bolsonaro is another example. Chile always had center-right presidents. Uruguay also moved to the middle, etc.

Politically, it's much different than when you had Kirchner, Chavez, Evo, Lula, Mujica...

[hater]

On one hand, it's difficult not to recognize that Maduro is another iteration of the cheap SA dictator, tbh...


Except he is not a dictator. He won the last presidential elections. The opposing candidates who ran acknowledged that as well as international monitors and numerous audits proved it.

Dont get me wrong Maduro is crap and needs to go. But that should happen in election cycles not coups. Much less foreign coups.



Or the fact that to get rations from the government you need to show a digital ID card which tells them who you voted for.


Can you provide links that proved this pls?

[hater]

Ocasio Cortez with the goods :wow

This chick actually thinks on her own. Retweeted :wow

https://twitter.com/rokhanna/status/1088302692001300480?s=21

[ElNono]

Except he is not a dictator. He won the last presidential elections. The opposing candidates who ran acknowledged that as well as international monitors and numerous audits proved it.

Dont get me wrong Maduro is crap and needs to go. But that should happen in election cycles not coups. Much less foreign coups.

He wasn't even constitutionally allowed another term. He's just been continually running these crippled 'elections' to override both Congress and Venezuela's Constitution.

He really is your run-of-the-mill SA dictator: supported by the military, rigged the SCOTUS and shut down Congress and any opposition. You know the kind, we've had a lot of these guys in the '70s-'80s...


Can you provide links that proved this pls?

https://www.businessinsider.com/venezuela-id-card-tracks-citizens-like-china-2018-11

[hater]

Fat piece of shit bongino must be stalking her twitter :lol didnt even wait 1 minute

Niga is obsessed w ma girl

https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1088145738192904194?s=21

[hater]

He wasn't even constitutionally allowed another term. He's just been continually running these crippled 'elections' to override both Congress and Venezuela's Constitution.

He really is your run-of-the-mill SA dictator: supported by the military, rigged the SCOTUS and shut down Congress and any opposition. You know the kind, we've had a lot of these guys in the '70s-'80s...



https://www.businessinsider.com/venezuela-id-card-tracks-citizens-like-china-2018-11

Where does it say the card tracks who you voted for? and it says the cards are optional lol

[hater]

He really is your run-of-the-mill SA dictator: supported by the military, rigged the SCOTUS and shut down Congress and any opposition. You know the kind, we've had a lot of these guys in sa]

Typical SA dictators would come from the military and would never hold elections tbqh They would also kill most dissidents (desaparecidos) not jail them

Apples and oranges

[DAF86]

Could be, but he's the current president, and it's doubtful hard-left like Cristina can come back either. Bolsonaro is another example. Chile always had center-right presidents. Uruguay also moved to the middle, etc.

Politically, it's much different than when you had Kirchner, Chavez, Evo, Lula, Mujica...

You would be surprised son. :lol

Also, lol Kristina being "hard-left".

[ElNono]

Where does it say the card tracks who you voted for? and it says the cards are optional lol

Card tracks if you voted and what's your political affiliation... really, not that complicated.

And sure they're optional, but no card, no rations.

[ElNono]

You would be surprised son. :lol

Also, lol Kristina being "hard-left".

Anywhere in the world Cristina is hard-left... but regardless, the point that the region has transitioned to the middle-right stands.

[hater]

Card tracks if you voted and what's your political affiliation... really, not that complicated.

So no proof who you voted for is being used to distribute rations? Mmok

Btw political afgiliation and if you voted can be easily obtained by US govmt or any govmt on any of its citizens as well



And sure they're optional, but no card, no rations.

No read again. That would make them mandatory :lol

[DAF86]

Anywhere in the world Cristina is hard-left... but regardless, the point that the region has transitioned to the middle-right stands.

"Hard-leftists" aren't self proclaimed capitalists, tbh.

The supporters of true left parties here all hate Cristina.

[ElNono]

Typical SA dictators would come from the military and would never hold elections tbqh They would also kill most dissidents (desaparecidos) not jail them

Apples and oranges

Pinochet called elections in '78 and '80. Same farce.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscito_nacional_de_Chile_de_1978
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscito_nacional_de_Chile_de_1980

Plenty of killing in Venezuela, tbh

[ElNono]

So no proof who you voted for is being used to distribute rations? Mmok

Btw political afgiliation and if you voted can be easily obtained by US govmt or any govmt on any of its citizens as well

Sure, but subsidies are not based on whether you voted or your political affiliation. There's actually laws against political discrimination and the law is enforced, not a farse.


No read again. That would make them mandatory :lol

No it woudn't. Getting rations isn't mandatory. But if you want or need them, you need to show the card.

[ElNono]

"Hard-leftists" aren't self proclaimed capitalists, tbh.

The supporters of true left parties here all hate Cristina.

After 8 years of Cristina you really can call her capitalist? Come on son, she ran the most closed economy in Argentina in decades.

Nestor is a different story.

[DAF86]

After 8 years of Cristina you really can call her capitalist? Come on son, she ran the most closed economy in Argentina in decades.

Nestor is a different story.

She called herself that. "Hard-leftists" are proud of being that, they would never call themselves capitalists.

[hater]

Pinochet called elections in '78 and '80. Same farce.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscito_nacional_de_Chile_de_1978
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscito_nacional_de_Chile_de_1980

Plenty of killing in Venezuela, tbh

I would not call pinochet a run of the mill SA dictaror tbqh

[ElNono]

She called herself that. "Hard-leftists" are proud of being that, they would never call themselves capitalists.

Who cares what she calls herself? Maduro calls himself the father of the land. It's what they do.

[ElNono]

I would not call pinochet a run of the mill SA dictaror tbqh

Why not?

[ElNono]

Isn't this Maduro guy the one that said Chavez appeared to him from the dead as a little bird and told him everything will be ok? :lol

If it wouldn't be so tragic, some of this stuff would almost be comical...

[DAF86]

Who cares what she calls herself? Maduro calls himself the father of the land. It's what they do.

Yet, he would never call himself a capitalist, because he trully is a "hard-leftist".

Argentinian true "hard-leftists" laugh at the idea of Cristina being one of them. That's because she isn't.

[ElNono]

Yet, he would never call himself a capitalist, because he trully is a "hard-leftist".

Argentinian true "hard-leftists" laugh at the idea of Cristina being one of them. That's because she isn't.

oh ok

[diego]

First off, as a socialist I hope Maduro is brought to justice quickly. He is a crook and a cheat and is doing a huge disservice to socialist governments across the region, not to mention Venezuelans.

That said, the hypocrisy here is disgusting. When leftist guerrillas fight against corrupt dictators far more violent and oppressive than Maduro, the media talks about sovereignty, rule of law, democratic process bla bla bla. When the dictator is socialist or communist however, the speech is all about how people have to fight back, the need to be righteous vs tyranny, invasion etc.

Here in Chile, they recently tried to extradite from France a guerrilla fighter who assassinated the senator who wrote Pinochet's constitution (which is still in effect). France denied the extradition, citing that Chile s judiciary that had declared him guilty was polluted by Pinochet appointed judges, and that Chile had denied similar extradition requests by France for soldiers and police convicted of murdering French citizens in Chile. The same right that promotes the removal of Maduro by any means possible had a fit, as if they actually had a sound legal or moral argument. the same right that cries about context to justify their military dictatorships and their torture, murder, and theft, always talks about leftist dictatorships in black and white. (And of course, the same right that does nothing to extradite the numerous soldiers police and cia agents in the us and germany responsible for torture and murder)

[hater]

Why not?

He was like Wilt Chamberlain of dictators

Hardly run of the mill or was Wilt run of the mill?

[baseline bum]

Chile always had center-right presidents.

Yeah considering the last leftist president was assassinated and his loyalists murdered with American blessings.

[ElNono]

He was like Wilt Chamberlain of dictators

Hardly run of the mill or was Wilt run of the mill?

Run of the mill in the sense that they use all the same typical tactics (military, coercion, shut down of dissenting media, political prisoners, etc).

That said, Castro > Pinochet in American dictator rank, IMO, with Stalin and Mussolini probably over both in all-time dictator HoF...

[ElNono]

Yeah considering the last leftist president was assassinated and his loyalists murdered with American blessings.

Yeah, and American support for the dictator. What I mean is that since Pinochet came down and democracy came back, they haven't elected much of a leftist there, unlike neighborhood nations.

[hater]

Run of the mill in the sense that they use all the same typical tactics (military, coercion, shut down of dissenting media, political prisoners, etc).

Those tactics are used by most governments dictatorships or not tbqh. Even US



That said, Castro > Pinochet in American dictator rank, IMO, with Stalin and Mussolini probably over both in all-time dictator HoF...

Well if we are including fascists which Pinochet actually was then obviously the goat was adolf

[diego]

Run of the mill in the sense that they use all the same typical tactics (military, coercion, shut down of dissenting media, political prisoners, etc).

That said, Castro > Pinochet in American dictator rank, IMO, with Stalin and Mussolini probably over both in all-time dictator HoF...

Dude you're tripping, only way you can put Castro over Pinochet is if you're going by longevity, I'd take 50 years of Castro over 25 of Pinochet any day. Pinochet killed, tortured and stole way more, and the whole "I'm stepping down because I respect the will of the people" was a farce, he appointed himself senator for life which made him impossible to prosecute. The police and military here are still corrupt as all hell and that began with Pinochet.

Under Pinochet, Chilean police assassinated generals, former presidents, journalists, musicians, and even US citizens in Washington DC. They would put rats in women's vaginas and give them electric shocks. Castro did his fair share of repression but nothing on the scale and cruelty of Pinochet.

[diego]

And I wrote all that without mentioning that Pinochet was a traitor who killed a democratically elected president and several of his fellow generals, while Castro overthrew a corrupt dictator himself, there's no comparison between the two

[boutons_deux]

They've been doing this in SA for decades, no?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_American_crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Lati n_America

https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/us-interventions-in-latin-american-021/

etc, etc.

would any of you MAGA assholes, Trash fellators, flag wavers, hyper-patriots like to list all the countries where USA has spread democracy and freedom?

[Mikeanaro]

Nope, Venezuela is turning into a Warzone with Chavez-Maduro already, people dont have food/medications/clothes, lots are coming here to escape that regime.
OP please be more informed next time, you are a cool poster.

[spurraider21]

1088146315979251717

this guys basically a warhawk dem tbh

[Mikeanaro]

That shit is dying before it had the chance of being conceived. Even with all the media aparatus behind him, the cat isn't winning another election, tbh. :lol
Please, whats the media machine behind him? America is pro Massa and Cristina, they kicked out Majul who was the only pro Macri, Canal 9, Cronica, C5N, Telefe are all pro Cristina.
Even ATC is a K channel when is actually a public channel.

I dont think he or Cretina will win, but dont sell fantasies.

[DAF86]

Please, whats the media machine behind him? America is pro Massa and Cristina, they kicked out Majul who was the only pro Macri, Canal 9, Cronica, C5N, Telefe are all pro Cristina.
Even ATC is a K channel when is actually a public channel.

I dont think he or Cretina will win, but dont sell fantasies.

You are forgetting this little thing called Clarín, you know, the biggest media aparatus in Argentina. :lol

[hater]

Nope, Venezuela is turning into a Warzone with Chavez-Maduro already, people dont have food/medications/clothes, lots are coming here to escape that regime.
OP please be more informed next time, you are a cool poster.

Thanks for your input brotha

Venezuela is in shit and mainly to their government but also in big part to US led evonomic war.

But still you cannot just pick a random cuck who swore himself in as president and call it a day :lmao

Yes the motherfucker actually swore himself i on live tv :lol

Thats some stupid fucking move :lol it sounds like cucks Rubio and Penisce dont even have a plan B :lmao

[hater]

Well this is really turning into a dud :lmao

https://twitter.com/confluenceintel/status/1088580244674629633?s=21

:lmao little marco

:lol mike penisce

[hater]

Tulsi went balls deep :ww

Our only hope :cry

https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/1088531713649713153?s=21

[hater]

This is possibly the worst organized coup in history :lmao :lmao :lol

[Mikeanaro]

You are forgetting this little thing called Clarín, you know, the biggest media aparatus in Argentina. :lol
And Clarin is not having good ratings, as soon as Macri assumed they played for both sides and people (including me) stop watching them because it was a shitshow.
Right now they have less ratings than Telefe regarding news.
TN played a bad move by having traitors like Nelson Castro and Lorena Maciel defending Cristina, Biasatto leaving to join Cronica.
And to add the final insult they brought that shit face Canaletti to host the afternoon.

So the biggest aparatus is what? Clarin and TN/Canal 13 who are having bad ratings?
People can choose what to watch but you blame Clarin.
They can watch C5N, America/A24, Canal26, ATC, Canal9, Telefe, Cronica and internet.
Having dirty brown sindicalists and garbage like Grabois talking all day leads to nowhere, planeros and everything.

C5N right now blaming USA for the Venezuelan regime, who wants to watch shit like that?

[ElNono]

Dude you're tripping, only way you can put Castro over Pinochet is if you're going by longevity, I'd take 50 years of Castro over 25 of Pinochet any day. Pinochet killed, tortured and stole way more, and the whole "I'm stepping down because I respect the will of the people" was a farce, he appointed himself senator for life which made him impossible to prosecute. The police and military here are still corrupt as all hell and that began with Pinochet.

Under Pinochet, Chilean police assassinated generals, former presidents, journalists, musicians, and even US citizens in Washington DC. They would put rats in women's vaginas and give them electric shocks. Castro did his fair share of repression but nothing on the scale and cruelty of Pinochet.

Well, yeah, I'm talking longevity, and, honestly, Castro also starved and set back his country at least a decade if not more, tbh

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/JoseLChilavert_/status/1088530155952324608

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Winehole23]

^^^ one of my ATF keepers

[Mikeanaro]

Thanks for your input brotha

Venezuela is in shit and mainly to their government but also in big part to US led evonomic war.

But still you cannot just pick a random cuck who swore himself in as president and call it a day :lmao

Yes the motherfucker actually swore himself i on live tv :lol

Thats some stupid fucking move :lol it sounds like cucks Rubio and Penisce dont even have a plan B :lmao
Everybody is turning against Maduro, so it was natural for the POTUS to follow the trend.
Its all a lie they dont give 2 fucks about Venezuela, all that barking from Chavez but he was selling them all their dirty petroleum, nobody had issues (both sides).

The only reality is that people is suffering, I still remember 10 years ago they were having problems to buy mineral water at a decent price because of inflation.
And the sad part is lot of Venezuelans are very well instructed people, they can talk english, have degrees.
Unlike Peruvians, Paraguayans or Mexicans who dont know shit and dont have big goals in life except beating their women with their belts.

[Winehole23]

don't sugarcoat it Mikeanaro, tell us what you really think

[Mikeanaro]

https://twitter.com/JoseLChilavert_/status/1088530155952324608

:lmao:lmao:lmao
:lol

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE eeeeeeeeeee EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[in2deep]

Well, yeah, I'm talking longevity, and, honestly, Castro also starved and set back his country at least a decade if not more, tbh

Your ignorance is being exposed

Castro set his country 1 decade behind when he was in power for 50 years???

In terms of what?

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/JoseLChilavert_/status/1088530155952324608

:lmao:lmao:lmao
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoN11nsrX3H7bPy/giphy.gif

[hater]

https://twitter.com/janetsgoodnews/status/1088601471627739136?s=21

[hater]

The United States government must cease interfering in Venezuela’s internal politics, especially for the purpose of overthrowing the country’s government. Actions by the Trump administration and its allies in the hemisphere are almost certain to make the situation in Venezuela worse, leading to unnecessary human suffering, violence, and instability.
Venezuela’s political polarization is not new; the country has long been divided along racial and socioeconomic lines. But the polarization has deepened in recent years. This is partly due to US support for an opposition strategy aimed at removing the government of Nicolás Maduro through extra-electoral means. While the opposition has been divided on this strategy, US support has backed hardline opposition sectors in their goal of ousting the Maduro government through often violent protests, a military coup d’etat, or other avenues that sidestep the ballot box.

Under the Trump administration, aggressive rhetoric against the Venezuelan government has ratcheted up to a more extreme and threatening level, with Trump administration officials talking of “military action” and condemning Venezuela, along with Cuba and Nicaragua, as part of a “troika of tyranny.” Problems resulting from Venezuelan government policy have been worsened by US economic sanctions, illegal under the Organization of American States and the United Nations ― as well as US law and other international treaties and conventions. These sanctions have cut off the means by which the Venezuelan government could escape from its economic recession, while causing a dramatic falloff in oil production and worsening the economic crisis, and causing many people to die because they can’t get access to life-saving medicines. Meanwhile, the US and other governments continue to blame the Venezuelan government ― solely ― for the economic damage, even that caused by the US sanctions.

Now the US and its allies, including OAS Secretary General Luis Almagro and Brazil’s far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro, have pushed Venezuela to the precipice. By recognizing National Assembly President Juan Guaido as the new president of Venezuela ― something illegal under the OAS Charter ― the Trump administration has sharply accelerated Venezuela’s political crisis in the hopes of dividing the Venezuelan military and further polarizing the populace, forcing them to choose sides. The obvious, and sometimes stated goal, is to force Maduro out via a coup d’etat.

The reality is that despite hyperinflation, shortages, and a deep depression, Venezuela remains a politically polarized country. The US and its allies must cease encouraging violence by pushing for violent, extralegal regime change. If the Trump administration and its allies continue to pursue their reckless course in Venezuela, the most likely result will be bloodshed, chaos, and instability. The US should have learned something from its regime change ventures in Iraq, Syria, Libya, and its long, violent history of sponsoring regime change in Latin America.

Neither side in Venezuela can simply vanquish the other. The military, for example, has at least 235,000 frontline members, and there are at least 1.6 million in militias. Many of these people will fight, not only on the basis of a belief in national sovereignty that is widely held in Latin America ― in the face of what increasingly appears to be a US-led intervention ― but also to protect themselves from likely repression if the opposition topples the government by force.

In such situations, the only solution is a negotiated settlement, as has happened in the past in Latin American countries when politically polarized societies were unable to resolve their differences through elections. There have been efforts, such as those led by the Vatican in the fall of 2016, that had potential, but they received no support from Washington and its allies who favored regime change. This strategy must change if there is to be any viable solution to the ongoing crisis in Venezuela.

For the sake of the Venezuelan people, the region, and for the principle of national sovereignty, these international actors should instead support negotiations between the Venezuelan government and its opponents that will allow the country to finally emerge from its political and economic crisis.

Signed:

Noam Chomsky, Professor Emeritus, MIT and Laureate Professor, University of Arizona

Laura Carlsen, Director, Americas Program, Center for International Policy

Greg Grandin, Professor of History, New York University

Miguel Tinker Salas, Professor of Latin American History and Chicano/a Latino/a Studies at Pomona College

Sujatha Fernandes, Professor of Political Economy and Sociology, University of Sydney

Steve Ellner, Associate Managing Editor of Latin American Perspectives

Alfred de Zayas, former UN Independent Expert on the Promotion of a Democratic and Equitable International Order and only UN rapporteur to have visited Venezuela in 21 years

Boots Riley, Writer/Director of Sorry to Bother You, Musician

John Pilger, Journalist & Film-Maker

Mark Weisbrot, Co-Director, Center for Economic and Policy Research

Jared Abbott, PhD Candidate, Department of Government, Harvard University

Dr. Tim Anderson, Director, Centre for Counter Hegemonic Studies

Elisabeth Armstrong, Professor of the Study of Women and Gender, Smith College

Alexander Aviña, PhD, Associate Professor of History, Arizona State University

Marc Becker, Professor of History, Truman State University

Medea Benjamin, Cofounder, CODEPINK

Phyllis Bennis, Program Director, New Internationalism, Institute for Policy Studies

Dr. Robert E. Birt, Professor of Philosophy, Bowie State University

Aviva Chomsky, Professor of History, Salem State University

James Cohen, University of Paris 3 Sorbonne Nouvelle

Guadalupe Correa-Cabrera, Associate Professor, George Mason University

Benjamin Dangl, PhD, Editor of Toward Freedom

Dr. Francisco Dominguez, Faculty of Professional and Social Sciences, Middlesex University, UK

Alex Dupuy, John E. Andrus Professor of Sociology Emeritus, Wesleyan University

Jodie Evans, Cofounder, CODEPINK

Vanessa Freije, Assistant Professor of International Studies, University of Washington

Gavin Fridell, Canada Research Chair and Associate Professor in International Development Studies, St. Mary’s University

Evelyn Gonzalez, Counselor, Montgomery College

Jeffrey L. Gould, Rudy Professor of History, Indiana University

Bret Gustafson, Associate Professor of Anthropology, Washington University in St. Louis

Peter Hallward, Professor of Philosophy, Kingston University

John L. Hammond, Professor of Sociology, CUNY

Mark Healey, Associate Professor of History, University of Connecticut

Gabriel Hetland, Assistant Professor of Latin American, Caribbean and U.S. Latino Studies, University of Albany

Forrest Hylton, Associate Professor of History, Universidad Nacional de Colombia-Medellín

Daniel James, Bernardo Mendel Chair of Latin American History

Chuck Kaufman, National Co-Coordinator, Alliance for Global Justice

Daniel Kovalik, Adjunct Professor of Law, University of Pittsburgh

Winnie Lem, Professor, International Development Studies, Trent University

Dr. Gilberto López y Rivas, Professor-Researcher, National University of Anthropology and History, Morelos, Mexico

Mary Ann Mahony, Professor of History, Central Connecticut State University

Jorge Mancini, Vice President, Foundation for Latin American Integration (FILA)

Luís Martin-Cabrera, Associate Professor of Literature and Latin American Studies, University of California San Diego

Teresa A. Meade, Florence B. Sherwood Professor of History and Culture, Union College

Frederick Mills, Professor of Philosophy, Bowie State University

Stephen Morris, Professor of Political Science and International Relations, Middle Tennessee State University

Liisa L. North, Professor Emeritus, York University

Paul Ortiz, Associate Professor of History, University of Florida

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Beatrice Pita, Lecturer, Department of Literature, University of California San Diego

Margaret Power, Professor of History, Illinois Institute of Technology

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Walter Riley, Attorney and Activist

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Karin Rosemblatt, Professor of History, University of Maryland

Emir Sader, Professor of Sociology, University of the State of Rio de Janeiro

Rosaura Sanchez, Professor of Latin American Literature and Chicano Literature, University of California, San Diego

T.M. Scruggs Jr., Professor Emeritus, University of Iowa

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Patricio Zamorano, Academic of Latin American Studies; Executive Director, InfoAmericas

[Mikeanaro]

Your ignorance is being exposed

Castro set his country 1 decade behind when he was in power for 50 years???

In terms of what?
I dont know about Nono, but Castro set his country back by starving people for 50 years, there was a revolution and it was imaginary.
At first people wanted Batista out so Castro was the salvation, Fidel assumed and then he refused to let people get out of Cuba if they had different thoughts.
Lots died eaten by sharks, Cuba was poor for the citizen, but rich for Fidel and is family who lived in places like this one

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fkeithflamer%2Ffiles%2F2016%2F1 1%2FHavana-Biltmore-Yacht-and-Country-Club-1200x857.jpg

People were not allowed to vote, according to Fidel because they were not educated... after 50 years of revolucion.
Like 22 years ago my history high school teacher went to Cuba in a program involving teachers going to foreign schools to meet students, and she was surprised that kids got crazy when they saw her Bic pens so she gave away everything.

If a stupid pen is something new for you well, you havent seen life.

Women fighting for soap bars and food while Fidel drinks wine and smoke Habanos.

[hater]

And this is why Bernie Sanders is and always will be a cuck pussy

No balls tweet

https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/1088573771395596293?s=21

Fuck this old mummy

[Mikeanaro]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoN11nsrX3H7bPy/giphy.gif
Today more than ever with president Maduro (he), In Venezuela people is at charge - Diego Maradona.

Young people of the world stay away from drugs, they can destroy a person´s life and of course they dont allow them to reason, to see reality - Chilavert.

[pgardn]

Nope, Venezuela is turning into a Warzone with Chavez-Maduro already, people dont have food/medications/clothes, lots are coming here to escape that regime.
OP please be more informed next time, you are a cool poster.

The two worst posters of foreign affairs on this site carpet bombing each other with sperm.

Hater-Mikey

[ElNono]

Your ignorance is being exposed

Castro set his country 1 decade behind when he was in power for 50 years???

In terms of what?

I mean things like technology. Can't really say 50 years, since they had TVs, etc, but fairly behind

[boutons_deux]

Oil prices jump as U.S. threatens sanctions against Venezuela

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil/oil-prices-jump-as-u-s-threatens-sanctions-against-venezuela-idUSKCN1PJ068?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29

US consumers are paying $Bs more for Trash's tariffs and for Trash's VZ meddling causing higher gas prices.

[Winehole23]

1088385953574592513?l19l

[Winehole23]

1088385953574592513

[Spurtacular]

1088385953574592513

Not a fan of "true conservative" Macron?

[boutons_deux]

1088385953574592513

Capitalism and so-called democracy are rigged and have failed Bs of the non-wealthy.

Then they are tricked by lies into electing "swamp drainers / reformers" and always get more of the same, and often worse.

[Mikeanaro]

1088385953574592513
Oh sorry, In France people can eat and live a normal life, in Venezuela you are a homeless sick dog.
Everything is the same, as long it fits the leftard agenda.

[Winehole23]

Oh sorry, In France people can eat and live a normal life, in Venezuela you are a homeless sick dog.
Everything is the same, as long it fits the leftard agenda.meant as a slap at France, not Venezuela.

my bad.

[Winehole23]

Not a fan of "true conservative" Macron?I'm not a fan.

[AaronY]

https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1088145738192904194?s=21

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/436/943/93f.jpg

[Winehole23]

that's a stretch. how are Bernie and AOC Bolivarian socialists?

be as specific as you can.

[Winehole23]

Chavez paid lip service to democratic socialism.

I see the lip service as bad faith: he fell short of it by putting the state first and dominating society, so naturally he claimed that the state was a servant and that people came first.

This sort of rhetorical trope isn't peculiar to socialism.

[Pavlov]

The United States government must cease interfering in Venezuela’s internal politics, especially for the purpose of overthrowing the country’s government. Actions by the Trump administration and its allies in the hemisphere are almost certain to make the situation in Venezuela worse, leading to unnecessary human suffering, violence, and instability.
Venezuela’s political polarization is not new; the country has long been divided along racial and socioeconomic lines. But the polarization has deepened in recent years. This is partly due to US support for an opposition strategy aimed at removing the government of Nicolás Maduro through extra-electoral means. While the opposition has been divided on this strategy, US support has backed hardline opposition sectors in their goal of ousting the Maduro government through often violent protests, a military coup d’etat, or other avenues that sidestep the ballot box.

Under the Trump administration, aggressive rhetoric against the Venezuelan government has ratcheted up to a more extreme and threatening level, with Trump administration officials talking of “military action” and condemning Venezuela, along with Cuba and Nicaragua, as part of a “troika of tyranny.” Problems resulting from Venezuelan government policy have been worsened by US economic sanctions, illegal under the Organization of American States and the United Nations ― as well as US law and other international treaties and conventions. These sanctions have cut off the means by which the Venezuelan government could escape from its economic recession, while causing a dramatic falloff in oil production and worsening the economic crisis, and causing many people to die because they can’t get access to life-saving medicines. Meanwhile, the US and other governments continue to blame the Venezuelan government ― solely ― for the economic damage, even that caused by the US sanctions.

Now the US and its allies, including OAS Secretary General Luis Almagro and Brazil’s far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro, have pushed Venezuela to the precipice. By recognizing National Assembly President Juan Guaido as the new president of Venezuela ― something illegal under the OAS Charter ― the Trump administration has sharply accelerated Venezuela’s political crisis in the hopes of dividing the Venezuelan military and further polarizing the populace, forcing them to choose sides. The obvious, and sometimes stated goal, is to force Maduro out via a coup d’etat.

The reality is that despite hyperinflation, shortages, and a deep depression, Venezuela remains a politically polarized country. The US and its allies must cease encouraging violence by pushing for violent, extralegal regime change. If the Trump administration and its allies continue to pursue their reckless course in Venezuela, the most likely result will be bloodshed, chaos, and instability. The US should have learned something from its regime change ventures in Iraq, Syria, Libya, and its long, violent history of sponsoring regime change in Latin America.

Neither side in Venezuela can simply vanquish the other. The military, for example, has at least 235,000 frontline members, and there are at least 1.6 million in militias. Many of these people will fight, not only on the basis of a belief in national sovereignty that is widely held in Latin America ― in the face of what increasingly appears to be a US-led intervention ― but also to protect themselves from likely repression if the opposition topples the government by force.

In such situations, the only solution is a negotiated settlement, as has happened in the past in Latin American countries when politically polarized societies were unable to resolve their differences through elections. There have been efforts, such as those led by the Vatican in the fall of 2016, that had potential, but they received no support from Washington and its allies who favored regime change. This strategy must change if there is to be any viable solution to the ongoing crisis in Venezuela.

For the sake of the Venezuelan people, the region, and for the principle of national sovereignty, these international actors should instead support negotiations between the Venezuelan government and its opponents that will allow the country to finally emerge from its political and economic crisis.

Signed:

Noam Chomsky, Professor Emeritus, MIT and Laureate Professor, University of Arizona

Laura Carlsen, Director, Americas Program, Center for International Policy

Greg Grandin, Professor of History, New York University

Miguel Tinker Salas, Professor of Latin American History and Chicano/a Latino/a Studies at Pomona College

Sujatha Fernandes, Professor of Political Economy and Sociology, University of Sydney

Steve Ellner, Associate Managing Editor of Latin American Perspectives

Alfred de Zayas, former UN Independent Expert on the Promotion of a Democratic and Equitable International Order and only UN rapporteur to have visited Venezuela in 21 years

Boots Riley, Writer/Director of Sorry to Bother You, Musician

John Pilger, Journalist & Film-Maker

Mark Weisbrot, Co-Director, Center for Economic and Policy Research

Jared Abbott, PhD Candidate, Department of Government, Harvard University

Dr. Tim Anderson, Director, Centre for Counter Hegemonic Studies

Elisabeth Armstrong, Professor of the Study of Women and Gender, Smith College

Alexander Aviña, PhD, Associate Professor of History, Arizona State University

Marc Becker, Professor of History, Truman State University

Medea Benjamin, Cofounder, CODEPINK

Phyllis Bennis, Program Director, New Internationalism, Institute for Policy Studies

Dr. Robert E. Birt, Professor of Philosophy, Bowie State University

Aviva Chomsky, Professor of History, Salem State University

James Cohen, University of Paris 3 Sorbonne Nouvelle

Guadalupe Correa-Cabrera, Associate Professor, George Mason University

Benjamin Dangl, PhD, Editor of Toward Freedom

Dr. Francisco Dominguez, Faculty of Professional and Social Sciences, Middlesex University, UK

Alex Dupuy, John E. Andrus Professor of Sociology Emeritus, Wesleyan University

Jodie Evans, Cofounder, CODEPINK

Vanessa Freije, Assistant Professor of International Studies, University of Washington

Gavin Fridell, Canada Research Chair and Associate Professor in International Development Studies, St. Mary’s University

Evelyn Gonzalez, Counselor, Montgomery College

Jeffrey L. Gould, Rudy Professor of History, Indiana University

Bret Gustafson, Associate Professor of Anthropology, Washington University in St. Louis

Peter Hallward, Professor of Philosophy, Kingston University

John L. Hammond, Professor of Sociology, CUNY

Mark Healey, Associate Professor of History, University of Connecticut

Gabriel Hetland, Assistant Professor of Latin American, Caribbean and U.S. Latino Studies, University of Albany

Forrest Hylton, Associate Professor of History, Universidad Nacional de Colombia-Medellín

Daniel James, Bernardo Mendel Chair of Latin American History

Chuck Kaufman, National Co-Coordinator, Alliance for Global Justice

Daniel Kovalik, Adjunct Professor of Law, University of Pittsburgh

Winnie Lem, Professor, International Development Studies, Trent University

Dr. Gilberto López y Rivas, Professor-Researcher, National University of Anthropology and History, Morelos, Mexico

Mary Ann Mahony, Professor of History, Central Connecticut State University

Jorge Mancini, Vice President, Foundation for Latin American Integration (FILA)

Luís Martin-Cabrera, Associate Professor of Literature and Latin American Studies, University of California San Diego

Teresa A. Meade, Florence B. Sherwood Professor of History and Culture, Union College

Frederick Mills, Professor of Philosophy, Bowie State University

Stephen Morris, Professor of Political Science and International Relations, Middle Tennessee State University

Liisa L. North, Professor Emeritus, York University

Paul Ortiz, Associate Professor of History, University of Florida

Christian Parenti, Associate Professor, Department of Economics, John Jay College CUNY

Nicole Phillips, Law Professor at the Université de la Foundation Dr. Aristide Faculté des Sciences Juridiques et Politiques and Adjunct Law Professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law

Beatrice Pita, Lecturer, Department of Literature, University of California San Diego

Margaret Power, Professor of History, Illinois Institute of Technology

Vijay Prashad, Editor, The TriContinental

Eleanora Quijada Cervoni FHEA, Staff Education Facilitator & EFS Mentor, Centre for Higher Education, Learning & Teaching at The Australian National University

Walter Riley, Attorney and Activist

William I. Robinson, Professor of Sociology, University of California, Santa Barbara

Mary Roldan, Dorothy Epstein Professor of Latin American History, Hunter College/ CUNY Graduate Center

Karin Rosemblatt, Professor of History, University of Maryland

Emir Sader, Professor of Sociology, University of the State of Rio de Janeiro

Rosaura Sanchez, Professor of Latin American Literature and Chicano Literature, University of California, San Diego

T.M. Scruggs Jr., Professor Emeritus, University of Iowa

Victor Silverman, Professor of History, Pomona College

Brad Simpson, Associate Professor of History, University of Connecticut

Jeb Sprague, Lecturer, University of Virginia

Christy Thornton, Assistant Professor of History, Johns Hopkins University

Sinclair S. Thomson, Associate Professor of History, New York University

Steven Topik, Professor of History, University of California, Irvine

Stephen Volk, Professor of History Emeritus, Oberlin College

Kirsten Weld, John. L. Loeb Associate Professor of the Social Sciences, Department of History, Harvard University

Kevin Young, Assistant Professor of History, University of Massachusetts Amherst

Patricio Zamorano, Academic of Latin American Studies; Executive Director, InfoAmericasMan, hater is taking a shit directly into Trump's mouth.

Called it.

[hater]

1088385953574592513

:lmao

Thats a good one

[hater]

:lol Rubi:lol

US withdrawing non essential personnel from embassy after Maduro threatened to cut power and gas to the US buildings

EUropean Union with a non statement basically not going along with US to recognize the fake president :lmao

So far this has more potential of becoming a shitshow than a coup :lol

Crossing fingers.... and knocking on wood...

[boutons_deux]

Washington Trained Guatemala’s Killers for Decades

The US Border Patrol played a key role in propping up Latin American dictatorships.

John Longan was an agent with the US Border Patrol in the 1940s and ’50s, working near the Mexican border,

Longan had a reputation for violence, as did many of his fellow patrollers.

Since its founding in the early 1900s, the Border Patrol has operated with near impunity,

becoming arguably the most politicized branch of federal law enforcement—

even more so than J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI.

Longan taught local intelligence and police agencies how to create death squads to target political activists,

deploying tactics that he’d used earlier to capture migrants on the border.

He arrived in Guatemala in late 1965 and put into place a paramilitary unit that, early the next year,

would execute what he called Operación Limpieza, or Operation Cleanup.

Within three months, this unit conducted over 80 raids and multiple assassinations,

including an action that, over the course of four days, led to the capture, torture, and execution of more than 30 prominent left-wing opposition leaders.

The military dumped their bodies into the sea,

while the government denied any knowledge of their whereabouts.

https://www.thenation.com/article/border-patrol-guatemala-dictatorship/

The criminal, unConstitutional CBP spreading Freedom and Democracy

[hater]

https://twitter.com/underground_rt/status/1088793314084704257?s=21


Fake president is MIA hiding probably in Colombia or. Razil tbqh :lol

[pgardn]

:lol Rubi:lol

US withdrawing non essential personnel from embassy after Maduro threatened to cut power and gas to the US buildings

EUropean Union with a non statement basically not going along with US to recognize the fake president :lmao

So far this has more potential of becoming a shitshow than a coup :lol

Crossing fingers.... and knocking on wood...

For what?
You are a fake humanitarian, so for what Assad sucker?
As long as the US stops messing with S. America, gassing the general population is cool.
Such a hypocrite.

[diego]

Well, yeah, I'm talking longevity, and, honestly, Castro also starved and set back his country at least a decade if not more, tbh

Ok, so apparently you give Pinochet credit for economic "growth" (ie privatizing everything) and the world renowned Chilean technology sector (we have cheap imports I guess) - nevermind that inequality in Chile is among the worst of all ocde nations-, and disregard the systematic use of torture and assassination, the 17 years of curfews, or betraying his military oath, brothers, democrátically elected president


But for Castro what's important is that his people starved, it doesn't matter that he took down a dictator that took power by force, killed thousands and stole 300 million dollars, it doesn't matter that he created an educational system, carried out massive land reform (70% of arable land in hands of foreigners at the time of his revolution), built houses for poor people. And it doesn't matter that one got support from the world biggest super power while the other got every form of antagonism possible, legal and illegal

If you poll most Chileans they'd choose 50 years of Castro over 25 of Pinochet, all of the benefits of Chile's economic growth is concentrating at the top while health, education and pensions are among the most expensive in the world.

Sorry but your argument sounds like "I'm rich, and being rich in Chile is better than being rich in Cuba".. yeah that's true. The only problem is that most people in Cuba and most people in Chile are poor...

[diego]

And for the record I'm rich too, doesn't mean I can't recognize the reality of people that arent

[in2deep]

I mean things like technology. Can't really say 50 years, since they had TVs, etc, but fairly behind

Sorry but it was kind of a simpleton take to say Cuba is a decade behind in technology

they are probably more behind in certain or most technology. But Cuba has made great advances in medicine, education and science and in some cases are ahead of most latin american countries

many people from latin america travel to Cuba to get medical treatment and Cuba sends teams of educators and doctors to many countries very often

[in2deep]

Oh sorry, In France people can eat and live a normal life, in Venezuela you are a homeless sick dog.
Everything is the same, as long it fits the leftard agenda.

If French people can eat and live a normal life why are the yellow vests protesting for a month now?

[in2deep]

Ok, so apparently you give Pinochet credit for economic "growth" (ie privatizing everything) and the world renowned Chilean technology sector (we have cheap imports I guess) - nevermind that inequality in Chile is among the worst of all ocde nations-, and disregard the systematic use of torture and assassination, the 17 years of curfews, or betraying his military oath, brothers, democrátically elected president


But for Castro what's important is that his people starved, it doesn't matter that he took down a dictator that took power by force, killed thousands and stole 300 million dollars, it doesn't matter that he created an educational system, carried out massive land reform (70% of arable land in hands of foreigners at the time of his revolution), built houses for poor people. And it doesn't matter that one got support from the world biggest super power while the other got every form of antagonism possible, legal and illegal

If you poll most Chileans they'd choose 50 years of Castro over 25 of Pinochet, all of the benefits of Chile's economic growth is concentrating at the top while health, education and pensions are among the most expensive in the world.

Sorry but your argument sounds like "I'm rich, and being rich in Chile is better than being rich in Cuba".. yeah that's true. The only problem is that most people in Cuba and most people in Chile are poor...

Thanks for this

chile has always been an riddle to me. Many people praise pinochet because he “cleaned up” chile and talk about chiles economy. I did not know inequality was so bad.

Why dont the socialist parties have more power in chile? Sema like majority chileans should not be happy with current situation

[hater]

https://twitter.com/tom4congressny6/status/1088841753195700225?s=21


International bodies that have previously monitored Venezuelan elections have said their results are legitimate. In 2012, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, director of the Carter Center for Fair Elections, which oversaw the Venezuela polls, declared:

As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that we’ve monitored, I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world.”

A number of international observers were on hand during the May 20 election and declared the results to be legitimate.

[hater]

:lmao little marco has basically become a caricature and being mocked online :lol

https://twitter.com/cumradsquidward/status/1088816049947136002?s=21

[Pavlov]

:lol hater criticizing everyone but Trump for Trump's policy.

Called it.

[Mikeanaro]

If French people can eat and live a normal life why are the yellow vests protesting for a month now?
Are the opposition leaders in jail?
Is inflation over the roof?
Is media one sided and spreading lies all day?
Are they having international reporters detained to see what kind of info they made while being there?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClEqmiegBh0

So a couple of idiots in yellow vests represent the whole France?
Then Cataluña should be its own country right now, not happening.

[hater]

Are the opposition leaders in jail?
Is inflation over the roof?
Is media one sided and spreading lies all day?
Are they having international reporters detained to see what kind of info they made while being there?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClEqmiegBh0

So a couple of idiots in yellow vests represent the whole France?
Then Cataluña should be its own country right now, not happening.

Macron just jailed 5000 ppl

Most Venezuelan media are actually Maduro haters :lol they are owned by opposition olygarchs

Couple of idiots in yellow vests? :lmao try tens of thousands

[hater]

Are the opposition leaders in jail?
Is inflation over the roof?
Is media one sided and spreading lies all day?
Are they having international reporters detained to see what kind of info they made while being there?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClEqmiegBh0

So a couple of idiots in yellow vests represent the whole France?
Then Cataluña should be its own country right now, not happening.

Macron just jailed 5000 ppl

Most Venezuelan media are actually Maduro haters :lol they are owned by opposition olygarchs

Couple of idiots in yellow vests? :lmao try tens of thousands

[Mikeanaro]

Macron just jailed 5000 ppl

Most Venezuelan media are actually Maduro haters :lol they are owned by opposition olygarchs

Couple of idiots in yellow vests? :lmao try tens of thousands
Yeap, jailed them, opposed to killing them.
Most Venezuela media is shut down, what are you talking about?
Where is Capriles? what happened to him?

Its the equivalent of lots of leftards screaming, these idiots had free wine and cheese for decades, a little adjustment and they get bitch crazy.
I wish Venezuela had the same problems.

[hater]

Yeap, jailed them, opposed to killing them.
Most Venezuela media is shut down, what are you talking about?
Where is Capriles? what happened to him?

Its the equivalent of lots of leftards screaming, these idiots had free wine and cheese for decades, a little adjustment and they get bitch crazy.
I wish Venezuela had the same problems.

Cheese and wine for decades? :lol

I dont completely disagree with you but Venezuelas problems were also exacerbated due to the economic war waged on them for years from the west

Protests are protests whether in france or in timbuktu and should be dealt with internally and peacefuly not by organizing a coup from the outside

[diego]

Thanks for this

chile has always been an riddle to me. Many people praise pinochet because he “cleaned up” chile and talk about chiles economy. I did not know inequality was so bad.

Why dont the socialist parties have more power in chile? Sema like majority chileans should not be happy with current situation

It can be argued that the only reason Chile has had some economic success is because of the reforms allende made before being killed- nationalizing copper and reforming agriculture. Those are Chile s main economic activities, and it's hard to say that Pinochet helped there.

Pinochets main economic accomplishment was curbing inflation with the UF which is basically a mechanism to keep property and capital with a floating value that adjusts daily to inflation. People get paid on pesos, but capital is paid with UF, it's a very regressive system but it works .

After that, the main success of Chile's economy comes from opening up to trade and investment, but that didn't really happen until the 90s when democracy returned and sanctions were lifted.

iMO it's lazy to say that Pinochet was responsible for economic success, but in terms of indicators there was progress made during his regime, and since things took off once democracy returned it became a convenient talking point, that thanks to Pinochet the economy improved. I don't think there would have been any improvement if copper wasn't nationalized / land reform enacted. Allende gets crucified for both these actions, when the reality is that Both the UN and the US govt officially recommended land reform for developing nations since the end of the 50s / start of the 60s, it was basic economic sense that people would be poor so long as they were basically serfs to landlords. And of course, any colony with a resource extraction economy, should damn well be getting a big cut of that extraction otherwise it's just giving your wealth away.

Socialist parties did have quite a bit of power in Chile, since returning to democracy they had 4 consecutive presidencies, followed by one right wing one, another left, and now another right, in other words they've mostly dominated elections since returning to democracy. But during the first 10 years or so, it wasn't real democracy, there were several appointed, lifetime senators pinochet included, the judiciary was completely controlled by the right (arguable it still is), the police and military as well (definitely still are). Those socialist governments lacked the means to make real change and more importantly real justice (there are more open human rights cases now than there were 20 years ago). The election system was setup so that minorities could still win (binominal system), and that allowed the right to keep enough seats to block changes, and when they did get through the supreme Court would annul the changes. And finally, worst of all, those socialist politicians realized they were in the perfect situation- almost guaranteed to be supported, every excuse not to come through with their promises, and money rolling in to the country-they got corrupt and that's how the right won 2 elections ago and again now. That's why when Nobody said Chile always elects center right presidents since returning to democrqcy I didn't quibble- they were socialist on paper but center right in reality, much like the Democrats in the US.

Of course, the right is even more corrupt, but I doubt anyone is interested in the details, suffice to say our current president was indicted for defrauding a bank (daddy got him off the hook) and keeps his fortune in Panama. His 5 year old grandchildren are owners of multi-million dollar companies. You can imagine what kind of tax reform you'd get from a president like that

[diego]

Sorry nono, my auto correct turned you to Nobody :lol

[hater]

:lmao little marc:lol getting obliterated at every tweet

https://twitter.com/stevegrabowsk12/status/1088909507483316224?s=21

[Ghazi]

Rubio is such a fuckstick

[hater]

https://twitter.com/inthenow_tweet/status/1088922258742104064?s=21

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/inthenow_tweet/status/1088922258742104064?s=21So now you're saying Trump ordered a coup.

lol hater

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/inthenow_tweet/status/1088922258742104064?s=21

who cares, kill them all!

[Winehole23]

1088948725869891584

[hater]

Dear Dr. Paul :cry :cry

UCESJ5JcJXc

[spurraider21]

:lol RT

[Winehole23]

You're all over the place as usual, hater.

More flexible than consistent, for better and for worse.

[Winehole23]

1088900603948949505

[boutons_deux]

U.S. steps up pressure on Maduro as Russia backs Venezuelan ally


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/u-s-steps-up-pressure-on-maduro-as-russia-backs-venezuelan-ally-idUSKCN1PJ1QR?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29

[hater]

:lol RT




Let me guess Nancy.... Ron Paul is a Russian agent working directly for the Kremlin and a hand puppet of Putin. Amiright, Nancy?

He worked 22 years in congress under Kremlin orders amiright??? :lmao

[DMC]

South America has been a war zone for a long time. Anyone who ever served in the military knows this already.

[DMC]

:lol RT

Way to offer a rebuttal instead of just attacking the source.

[hater]

South America has been a war zone for a long time.

One of the dumbest comments in recent times. Congrats Nancy :lol

For the last 30 years SA has been chill. It had guerrilla in colombia and druglords yea but other countries have been relatively peaceful. Peru had Sendero for a while thats about it.

[hater]

Liitle Marc:lol Rubi:lol

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1088952538416730112?s=20

[Mikeanaro]

Cheese and wine for decades? :lol

I dont completely disagree with you but Venezuelas problems were also exacerbated due to the economic war waged on them for years from the west

Protests are protests whether in france or in timbuktu and should be dealt with internally and peacefuly not by organizing a coup from the outside
You cant have peace if they are doing shit like this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrugNiQYMl0

[DarrinS]

Socialism really works. They just didn't do it right.

[DMC]

One of the dumbest comments in recent times. Congrats Nancy :lol

For the last 30 years SA has been chill. It had guerrilla in colombia and druglords yea but other countries have been relatively peaceful. Peru had Sendero for a while thats about it.

Bullshit

[DMC]

Homicide rates are falling after years of gruesome stats in a region that hosts 43 of the world's 50 most violent cities

Image: Reuters/Pilar Olivares

[hater]

Lol confusing Latin America with South America

Lol list of the cities “not at war”

Lol “its been a warzone”

[spurraider21]

Way to offer a rebuttal instead of just attacking the source.
:lol DMC

[ElNono]

Ok, so apparently you give Pinochet credit for economic "growth" (ie privatizing everything) and the world renowned Chilean technology sector (we have cheap imports I guess) - nevermind that inequality in Chile is among the worst of all ocde nations-, and disregard the systematic use of torture and assassination, the 17 years of curfews, or betraying his military oath, brothers, democrátically elected president


But for Castro what's important is that his people starved, it doesn't matter that he took down a dictator that took power by force, killed thousands and stole 300 million dollars, it doesn't matter that he created an educational system, carried out massive land reform (70% of arable land in hands of foreigners at the time of his revolution), built houses for poor people. And it doesn't matter that one got support from the world biggest super power while the other got every form of antagonism possible, legal and illegal

If you poll most Chileans they'd choose 50 years of Castro over 25 of Pinochet, all of the benefits of Chile's economic growth is concentrating at the top while health, education and pensions are among the most expensive in the world.

Sorry but your argument sounds like "I'm rich, and being rich in Chile is better than being rich in Cuba".. yeah that's true. The only problem is that most people in Cuba and most people in Chile are poor...

Dude, I know I'm arguing what's better, a shit sandwich or a turd pie?... it's bad both ways. How you rank a potential dictatorship HoF is completely trivial, so if you want to put Pinochet atop, nobody will complain. It's like ranking players in basketball, tbh.

And I lived in a military dictatorship until the Malvinas war, so I know it sucks ball. My rationale for weighing years over atrocities is that for any civilian looking for a future, 25 vs 50 years is a big fucking deal, IMO. But hey, just explaining where I was coming from.



Sorry but it was kind of a simpleton take to say Cuba is a decade behind in technology

they are probably more behind in certain or most technology. But Cuba has made great advances in medicine, education and science and in some cases are ahead of most latin american countries

many people from latin america travel to Cuba to get medical treatment and Cuba sends teams of educators and doctors to many countries very often

I didn't call Cuba ass, I just pointed out that unfortunately they fell behind in a lot of areas that are important for any nation nowadays. Not just technology, but infrastructure too.

And yes, would be foolish not to recognize they did do some great work in sciences, and even athletics for a long time. As diego pointed out, so did Chile under Pinochet. Still a dictatorship though, which sucks.

[ElNono]

It can be argued that the only reason Chile has had some economic success is because of the reforms allende made before being killed- nationalizing copper and reforming agriculture. Those are Chile s main economic activities, and it's hard to say that Pinochet helped there.

Pinochets main economic accomplishment was curbing inflation with the UF which is basically a mechanism to keep property and capital with a floating value that adjusts daily to inflation. People get paid on pesos, but capital is paid with UF, it's a very regressive system but it works .

After that, the main success of Chile's economy comes from opening up to trade and investment, but that didn't really happen until the 90s when democracy returned and sanctions were lifted.

iMO it's lazy to say that Pinochet was responsible for economic success, but in terms of indicators there was progress made during his regime, and since things took off once democracy returned it became a convenient talking point, that thanks to Pinochet the economy improved. I don't think there would have been any improvement if copper wasn't nationalized / land reform enacted. Allende gets crucified for both these actions, when the reality is that Both the UN and the US govt officially recommended land reform for developing nations since the end of the 50s / start of the 60s, it was basic economic sense that people would be poor so long as they were basically serfs to landlords. And of course, any colony with a resource extraction economy, should damn well be getting a big cut of that extraction otherwise it's just giving your wealth away.

Socialist parties did have quite a bit of power in Chile, since returning to democracy they had 4 consecutive presidencies, followed by one right wing one, another left, and now another right, in other words they've mostly dominated elections since returning to democracy. But during the first 10 years or so, it wasn't real democracy, there were several appointed, lifetime senators pinochet included, the judiciary was completely controlled by the right (arguable it still is), the police and military as well (definitely still are). Those socialist governments lacked the means to make real change and more importantly real justice (there are more open human rights cases now than there were 20 years ago). The election system was setup so that minorities could still win (binominal system), and that allowed the right to keep enough seats to block changes, and when they did get through the supreme Court would annul the changes. And finally, worst of all, those socialist politicians realized they were in the perfect situation- almost guaranteed to be supported, every excuse not to come through with their promises, and money rolling in to the country-they got corrupt and that's how the right won 2 elections ago and again now. That's why when Nobody said Chile always elects center right presidents since returning to democrqcy I didn't quibble- they were socialist on paper but center right in reality, much like the Democrats in the US.

Of course, the right is even more corrupt, but I doubt anyone is interested in the details, suffice to say our current president was indicted for defrauding a bank (daddy got him off the hook) and keeps his fortune in Panama. His 5 year old grandchildren are owners of multi-million dollar companies. You can imagine what kind of tax reform you'd get from a president like that

I don't disagree with this, but I would add that Chile looked comparatively much stronger with Pinochet than it's neighbors because those neighbors were going from one financial crisis to the next.

[ElNono]

Sorry nono, my auto correct turned you to Nobody :lol

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[DMC]

:lol DMC

:lol human emotional support pet

[DMC]

20 countries which cover an area that stretches from the northern border of Mexico to the southern tip of South America, including the Caribbean.

:lol trying to distance your shithole country from Mexico as if Columbia is somehow more civilized.

[ElNono]

Elliott Abrams, prominent D.C. neocon, named special envoy for Venezuela

Elliott Abrams, a controversial neoconservative figure who was entangled in the Iran-Contra affair, has been named as a Trump administration special envoy overseeing policy toward Venezuela, which has been rocked by a leadership crisis.

Abrams’ appointment, announced Friday by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, is something of a surprise — President Donald Trump nixed his 2017 bid to be deputy secretary of State after learning that Abrams had criticized him.

Abrams will now be one of several special envoys Pompeo has brought on board to tackle thorny issues. He takes on his role at an unusually volatile time in U.S.-Venezuelan relations.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/25/elliott-abrams-envoy-venezuela-1128562

[Winehole23]

yeah, I thought that was subtle

https://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/elliott-abrams/

[Winehole23]

Abrams is best known for his role in the Iran-Contra scandal. He was indicted by a special prosecutor for intentionally deceiving Congress about the Reagan administration’s role in supporting the Contras—including his own central role in the Iran-Contra arms deal. In this deal, national security staff led by Oliver North brokered the sale of weapons from Israel to Iran in exchange for Iran helping broker the release of six Americans held hostage by Hezbollah. Some of the money made from the sale was channeled to the U.S.-backed and -organized Contras, who were spearheading a counterrevolution against the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. Congress had prohibited U.S. government assistance to the Contras because of their pattern of human rights abuses. At the time of his involvement, Abrams was the assistant secretary of state for inter-American affairs, working under George Shultz. Abrams pleaded guilty to two lesser offenses (including withholding information from Congress) to avoid a trial and a possible jail term. Throughout the proceedings, Abrams denied knowledge of the NSC and CIA programs to support the Contras. He blamed Congress for the deaths of two U.S. military members shot down by the Sandinistas in an illegal, clandestine arms supply operation over Nicaragua. He described the legal proceedings against him as “Kafkaesque” and called his prosecutors “filthy bastards” and “vipers.”[46] (https://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/elliott-abrams/#_ftn46)


Abrams and five other Iran-Contra figures were pardoned on Christmas Eve 1992 by President George H.W. Bush, shortly before he left office.[47] (https://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/elliott-abrams/#_ftn47)

[Winehole23]

Rubio off-message. It's the DEMOCRACY, 'member?

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[ElNono]

Venezuela Wants $1.2 Billion in Gold Back From Bank of England

Nicolas Maduro’s embattled Venezuelan regime, desperate to hold onto the dwindling cash pile it has abroad, was stymied in its bid to pull $1.2 billion worth of gold out of the Bank of England, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Bank of England’s decision to deny Maduro officials’ withdrawal request comes after top U.S. officials, including Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and National Security Adviser John Bolton, lobbied their U.K. counterparts to help cut off the regime from its overseas assets, according to one of the people, who asked not to be identified.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-25/u-k-said-to-deny-maduro-s-bid-to-pull-1-2-billion-of-gold

[Winehole23]

what do you think, will Guaido request US military assistance?

having officially recognized his interim government, how could the US refuse, if asked?

[ElNono]

what do you think, will Guaido request US military assistance?

having officially recognized his interim government, how could the US refuse, if asked?

No, I think the strategy here is to choke the country economically until they can't pay the military, then things should flip on their own. The issue, however, is that might not happen if Russia/China continues to give Maduro a lifeline.

[hater]

what do you think, will Guaido request US military assistance?

having officially recognized his interim government, how could the US refuse, if asked?

How could they refuse? Are they obligated to go anywhere they are asked?

[Winehole23]

How could they refuse? Are they obligated to go anywhere they are asked?no, but goes to credibility and prestige. if we recognize Guaido then let him lose in a hot fight, the whole world sees the ultimate worthlessness of US support -- just like the Kurds have over and over again

[hater]

Elliott Abrams, prominent D.C. neocon, named special envoy for Venezuela


Watch at 0:53 this is one maniacal bastard

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