Is Anthony Davis the new Dwight Howard?

[cmspur]

The guy is injured every other week seems like. In about 3 years or so when he starts to loose a step... what you all think??

[mystargtr34]

Agree that guys like Dwight, Dwayne Wade, Melo etc. who have had a lot of nagging injuries in their 20s broke down pretty quickly by the time they hit 30. If I had to put my money on it I would say Davis will follow a similar path, but one thing he has that the other don’t is both size AND skill so he may be slightly more useful than these guys into his mid 30’s. Dwight had size but no skill so once he couldn’t outjump everyone he became average. Wade was always slightly undersized and never had a great jump shot to compensate any drop of in athleticism. Melo was always a cancer but he lost a lot of his explosiveness once he turned 30.

AD still has a jump shot and size but a big part of his game is athleticism so I think he tails off once he’s 30. Doesn’t really have strength to go into the post either like a Duncan. I think AD follows the KG career trajectory but three years earlier. KG won the 08 championship at age 32 then basically began a pretty quick downward trend. I think Davis hits 30 which is still 4.5 years away then starts that kind of trend.

[horseshue]

He is much more skilled, so he should be fine.

[dbestpro]

The problem is there has never been a worse time to be a classic center in the NBA. The position has almost been erased from the league. in order to match a 40% 3-point shooter, he has to hit 60% of his shots cause he is a zero % threat from three. Also, he is a great shot blocker which might mean something if anyone drove to the hoop anymore, but everyone is busy shooting the three. Davis will cost enormous amounts of money, but his net effect in today's NBA is no greater than a good three point shooter.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dwight achieved much more in Orlando than Davis in NOLA, before running away.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Dwight achieved much more in Orlando than Davis in NOLA, before running away.

pathetic east, just ask lebron how his faring out west now...

[John B]

pathetic east, just ask lebron how his faring out west now...
True :lol

[monty4329]

The problem is there has never been a worse time to be a classic center in the NBA. The position has almost been erased from the league. in order to match a 40% 3-point shooter, he has to hit 60% of his shots cause he is a zero % threat from three. Also, he is a great shot blocker which might mean something if anyone drove to the hoop anymore, but everyone is busy shooting the three. Davis will cost enormous amounts of money, but his net effect in today's NBA is no greater than a good three point shooter.

AD is not a center

[monty4329]

Dwight achieved much more in Orlando than Davis in NOLA, before running away.

He had a team, much more than AD. Also, Pels seem to have a shitload of bad luck injurywise.

[cd021]

Dwight achieved much more in Orlando than Davis in NOLA, before running away.

While true (Dwight should have won the league MVP in 2008) AD is a far better, more skilled player than Dwight was when he left Orlando.

[cd021]

AD is not a center

Why not? Is this the new "Horford is a 4 not a 5"?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

He had a team, much more than AD. Also, Pels seem to have a shitload of bad luck injurywise.

Hedo? Jameer Nelson? Rashard Lewis? gmafb

Dwight played great with 4 shooters around him and they made it work, but individually you could argue he's never had a teammate as good as Jrue. Dwight's career has nosedived and he's a shitty person by all accounts but he was pretty damn good back then and has done more than Davis ever has.

[monty4329]

Hedo? Jameer Nelson? Rashard Lewis? gmafb

Dwight played great with 4 shooters around him and they made it work, but individually you could argue he's never had a teammate as good as Jrue. Dwight's career has nosedived and he's a shitty person by all accounts but he was pretty damn good back then and has done more than Davis ever has.

Hedo? Jameer Nelson? Rashard Lewis? EXACTLY

You may not remember, the starting 5 were a powerhouse. Pull up something on youtube maybe, you'll realize how good was that team. Jameer was injured and playing him too soon when he got back probably costed Orlando dearly.

[monty4329]

Why not? Is this the new "Horford is a 4 not a 5"?

So AD is playing center? OK, whatever

[Thomas82]

Hedo? Jameer Nelson? Rashard Lewis? EXACTLY

You may not remember, the starting 5 were a powerhouse. Pull up something on youtube maybe, you'll realize how good was that team. Jameer was injured and playing him too soon when he got back probably costed Orlando dearly.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Jameer Nelson an All-Star selection one year?

[Kobe'sAchilles]

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Jameer Nelson an All-Star selection one year?
As the back up selection to the back up selection lol

[Rusty]

He’s the most overrated player in the NBA. Empty Stats career loser

[TDMVPDPOY]

dafuck this clown keeps on gettin free passes for his failures?? new era kg?

[DJR210]

Watch Anthony Davis come down w/ the mysterious butt injury..

[Keepin' it real]

Is Davis Howard?

Maybe. / thread

[ZeusWillJudge]

The problem is there has never been a worse time to be a classic center in the NBA. The position has almost been erased from the league. in order to match a 40% 3-point shooter, he has to hit 60% of his shots cause he is a zero % threat from three. Also, he is a great shot blocker which might mean something if anyone drove to the hoop anymore, but everyone is busy shooting the three. Davis will cost enormous amounts of money, but his net effect in today's NBA is no greater than a good three point shooter.


There are some real problems with that:

The only way a team shoots 40% from 3P is if they are selective about taking only open looks. That's why the Spurs have the highest 3P%, and the fewest 3P attempts. The team shooting the most 3P shots (Houston), is only making 34.8% of them.

You understand that Effective FG% (EFG%) takes into account that 3's count more than 2P shots, right? Nearly everyone on GSW (except Steph and Klay) has a higher 2P% than EFG%. That means they make more points per 2P shot taken than they make per 3P shot taken. The reason GS is so good hard to beat is because they shoot 55% from 2P as a team.

[superbigtime]

Jermaine O'Neal was better.

[MoSpur02]

Well Dell Demps is gone.

[RD2191]

Demps fired. :pop:

[HarlemHeat37]

Prime Dwight Howard is one of the most underrated players in NBA history, tbh..I still don't know how he anchored a #1 defense with the pieces he had around him at the time..

[exstatic]

Well Dell Demps is gone.

Wow.

[Dverde]

Pelican’ts cannot do anything right :lol

[Mikeanaro]

No, he can shoot.
So with just that skill he is worlds apart from Dwerty.

[exstatic]

Pelican’ts cannot do anything right :lol

The gist of the situation seems to be that the org is as determined as ever to move him somewhere other than LA, but why fire Demps, then? They were PISSED that he left the arena last night with RP in the middle of the game to get an MRI.

[Dverde]

Demps did well in that Mirotic trade. They threw his wet ass out of the shower like hot garbage on a Wednesday night. Demps deserves better than that.

[Spurs da champs]

Demps deserved to be fired years ago.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Danny ferry shld get the job if they really want to rebuild.

[Dverde]

Danny ferry shld get the job if they really want to rebuild.

Kevin McHale can get the job done if the job is trading all-stars to Boston.

[hater]

Yeah he looks like he will be washed up in 5 years

He is already worse thanfew years ago

[Spurs Homer]

Demps gone - hopefully doesn't mean the Lakers will still get AD?

[exstatic]

Demps gone - hopefully doesn't mean the Lakers will still get AD?

Doesn't look like it. Apparently, the org is PISSED at both AD and RP for leaving the arena during the game.

[spurraider21]

Danny ferry shld get the job if they really want to rebuild.
good good, pop planting a stooge in new orleans so we can get davis :stirpot:

[Spurs Homer]

most disturbing is this new Kawhitter trend of malingering behavior to force trades.

[Keepin' it real]

Tbh, the whole franchise was down in the demps.

[Play Boban]

The problem is there has never been a worse time to be a classic center in the NBA. The position has almost been erased from the league. in order to match a 40% 3-point shooter, he has to hit 60% of his shots cause he is a zero % threat from three. Also, he is a great shot blocker which might mean something if anyone drove to the hoop anymore, but everyone is busy shooting the three. Davis will cost enormous amounts of money, but his net effect in today's NBA is no greater than a good three point shooter.

AD shoots threes, so I'm not sure what you're watching.

[Gibbz]

He's even more of a china doll than Kawhitter. They would look great on the Lakers bench beside each other in suits.

[RD2191]

Pelicans:lol what a garbage organization

[Dverde]

Seattle Seagulls has a nice ring to it :lol

[Arcadian]

I would certainly rank Davis above Howard in the all-time player rankings. Howard had such a limited offensive skillset.

[GreekSpursfan]

Are we sure this is not a fake injury? I'm now 100% certain that AD is gonna end up a Laker, i was 95% before.

[exstatic]

Are we sure this is not a fake injury? I'm now 100% certain that AD is gonna end up a Laker, i was 95% before.

You'd be wrong. Word is that the organization is MAJORLY pissed off at AD for leaving the arena during the game with his agent. Doesn't sound like they want to do them ANY favors.

WojBomb

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1096454015003607041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1096454015003607041&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fnba.nbcsports.com%2F2019%2F02 %2F15%2Fpelicans-reportedly-fire-gm-dell-demps%2F

[dbestpro]

AD shoots threes, so I'm not sure what you're watching.

Shooting threes and making threes are two different things. He shoots at a clip of .312 lifetime. He will have to shoot the ball 10 times to make 9 points from three. He shoots over 50% inside the three so we makes 10 points out of 10 shots which means this is his most effective shot. This, however, is not about comparing Davis inside the arc to Davis outside the arc, but rather an efficient 2 point shooter to the average three point shooter. The Spurs shoot 41% as a team. Anyone who shoots 37% or higher will score more points and therefore strictly on a point basis is more efficient.

Look, I get that Davis is a great center, but the problem is the way the NBA has evolved the numbers do not support paying max contracts to centers. I would prefer that they would allow more defense on the perimeter, but until they do, the facts are the facts.

[kuato]

Manu killed AD's soul.

[AlexJones]

Prime Dwight Howard is one of the most underrated players in NBA history, tbh..I still don't know how he anchored a #1 defense with the pieces he had around him at the time..
This. He's also the one guy from the East to ever beat prime Lebron (07-18) singlehandedly

[cmspur]

Dwight looked like a sure fire Hofer in his first five six years...maybe AD's best years yet to come. But Im begging to doubt.

[gospursgojas]

He’s the most overrated player in the NBA. Empty Stats career loser

You can say this about almost all of the one and done Kentucky players.

[SouthTexasRancher]

If elite players keep pulling a "KaWhitter" on the small market teams and the NBA OK's it (Pop thinks it's cool - Pop is getting senile) there won't be an NBA for the Warriors, Lakers and Clippers to play in unless they want to play each other 25 times a season.

Sorry, I got sidetracked. AD like KaWhitter and DH is too injury prone for a team to pay him top dollar w/o a great insurance package. But, a team like the Lakers or Clippers will pay him the big bucks and never blink an eye.

[Rosewood]

He’s the most overrated player in the NBA. Empty Stats career loser

[JPB]

Poor LA... didn't want to trade their trash for Kwahitter, then ready to sell the farm for AD but cum denied by NO and probably ending up with nothing this next summer...

But hey, they got to enjoy Lebron's downfall... so there's that.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Agree that guys like Dwight, Dwayne Wade, Melo etc. who have had a lot of nagging injuries in their 20s broke down pretty quickly by the time they hit 30. If I had to put my money on it I would say Davis will follow a similar path, but one thing he has that the other don’t is both size AND skill so he may be slightly more useful than these guys into his mid 30’s. Dwight had size but no skill so once he couldn’t outjump everyone he became average. Wade was always slightly undersized and never had a great jump shot to compensate any drop of in athleticism. Melo was always a cancer but he lost a lot of his explosiveness once he turned 30.

AD still has a jump shot and size but a big part of his game is athleticism so I think he tails off once he’s 30. Doesn’t really have strength to go into the post either like a Duncan. I think AD follows the KG career trajectory but three years earlier. KG won the 08 championship at age 32 then basically began a pretty quick downward trend. I think Davis hits 30 which is still 4.5 years away then starts that kind of trend.
how did Andre Miller play well into his 40's considering he never had any size nor athleticism nor even a jump shot?