New Zealand mosque shooting

[DarrinS]

*Snaps fingers*

"What does I'm sorry you feel that way mean? What does it actually mean?":lmao


If you ever hear that dumbass finger snapping, you know you are amongst a group of retards.

[Nathan89]

Basically trying to preemptively silence people that disagree in the future. Because if you don't keep your mouth shut then we will blame you for mass murder.

[spurraider21]

Basically trying to preemptively silence people that disagree in the future. Because if you don't keep your mouth shut then we will blame you for mass murder.
yeah its dumb to blame mass murders on an ideology unless its islam

[AaronY]

If you ever hear that dumbass finger snapping, you know you are amongst a group of retards.
You didnt explain how bad you think this was though after I asked you..I mean do you think we'll have to blow up the whole United States over it like Nathan does?

[DarrinS]

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if this is the comment in question, in its entirety, then sure, the tirade by the student is stupid. i also dont think every time an emotional student yells something stupid, it becomes newsworthy and attention-worthy. then again i dont get my news of the day from social media bites


I get all my stuff from dark web 128Chan newsfeed, tbh.

[CitizenDwayne]

Islam is a religion. Religion inherently breeds and encourages violence. Islam in particular has a very troubling history of developing extremist violence. Therefore yes it deserves a great deal of blame for mass acts of violence.

[DarrinS]

You didnt explain how bad you think this was though after I asked you..I mean do you think we'll have to blow up the whole United States over it like Nathan does?

No

[Chris]

Islam is a religion. Religion inherently breeds and encourages violence. Islam in particular has a very troubling history of developing extremist violence. Therefore yes it deserves a great deal of blame for mass acts of violence.

I've never met a violent Buddhist. I will admit that most so-called Christians can be just as violent as anyone else, but the Bible actually says to forgive and turn the other cheek FYI

[AaronY]

No
phew

[DarrinS]

Meh, there are just evil MF'ers out there. Maybe keep an eye out for anyone writing a "manifesto".

[DarrinS]

Has pewdiepie been arrested yet?

Lol, "white supremacist youtuber".

[spurraider21]

I get all my stuff from dark web 128Chan newsfeed, tbh.
you always manage to post obscure videos of random liberals doing something dumb. thats not something you'd come across on the front page of any noteworthy publication. unless you're subscribed to a bunch of youtube channels like mark dice and get retarded suggestions that you are drawn to

[Chris]

JICYMI:

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1106713698662522880

[spurraider21]

Islam is a religion. Religion inherently breeds and encourages violence. Islam in particular has a very troubling history of developing extremist violence. Therefore yes it deserves a great deal of blame for mass acts of violence.
i think the association is fair, but the real concern comes from fundamentalism, which is much more prevalent in islam than other religions nowadays. i dont think islam inherently turns people evil. there are millions of muslims living in the US. they like regular lives. but the violence we see even from isalmist terrorists still has a political factor to it that isnt explained by religion. why did the 9/11 attackers choose new york? is that the bastion of christiantiy? no, there were political reasons in play that go beyond just religion

[Trill Clinton]

Those students just need a safe space. Play-Doh and coloring books.

wow

[Nathan89]

JICYMI:

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1106713698662522880

Not news worthy.

[Chris]

Not news worthy.

Just like the white farmers being slaughtered in Africa.

[Trill Clinton]

The board conservatives talking about everything from college students snapping their fingers to the cliintons and not calling out white supremacy.

[FrostKing]

The board conservatives talking about everything from college students snapping their fingers to the cliintons and not calling out white supremacy.
I will call out their violent behavior but their beliefs aren't necessarily wrong. Look at population data and immigration policy changes. Rhetoric in schools and advertisement in media

[Trill Clinton]

demonic white supremacist right wing shooter in court

https://i.imgur.com/r2reERl.jpg

[Chris]

^ Triple 6

[apalisoc_9]

Damn lots of guys here saluting that shooter in the closet.

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png

[apalisoc_9]

We've come to a point in spurstalk that you can now identify people who celebrate or justify massacres of minorities.

I aint naming but we know who you are

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png

[DarrinS]

demonic white supremacist right wing shooter in court

https://i.imgur.com/r2reERl.jpg


From the 8 bit era

[apalisoc_9]

Remeber that shooting in the Black church and how that turned into a chicago discussions instead

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png

[Chris]

In public speaking it is used commonly as a grounding gesture, but in that picture he is clearly flashing his Satanic gang signs.

[DarrinS]

The board conservatives talking about everything from college students snapping their fingers to the cliintons and not calling out white supremacy.

We're too busy working our way up that dumb pyramid infographic posted earlier.

[Trill Clinton]

New
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Daoud Nabi's son, Omar Nabi, said that his father was often helping others and that he was not surprised to learn of his father's heroic efforts to save bystanders.

[Trill Clinton]

more sarcastic replies from the white supremacy sympathizers http://i68.tinypic.com/qrf66t.jpg

at least frost king has admitted to supporting white supremacy. the rest of y'all are taking this shooting personal and deflecting for some reason.

[apalisoc_9]

more sarcastic replies from the white supremacy sympathizers http://i68.tinypic.com/qrf66t.jpg

at least frost king has admitted to supporting white supremacy. the rest of y'all are taking this shooting personal and deflecting for some reason.

Closet supporters imo.

Check spurt for reference

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png

[DarrinS]

more sarcastic replies from the white supremacy sympathizers http://i68.tinypic.com/qrf66t.jpg

at least frost king has admitted to supporting white supremacy. the rest of y'all are taking this shooting personal and deflecting for some reason.


You should change your avatar to a real victim. That would be super virtuous.

[koriwhat]

more sarcastic replies from the white supremacy sympathizers http://i68.tinypic.com/qrf66t.jpg

at least frost king has admitted to supporting white supremacy. the rest of y'all are taking this shooting personal and deflecting for some reason.

have you read any of his manifesto or just spitting talking points as usual?

[hater]

This is real shit fellas


I got the news update as it was happening and logged in to twatter and unfortunately saw d live stream entire thing

Fucking horrible as the fuck kept shooting the dead bodies, doesn't make sense how he shot the dead bodies dead and dead again and again. He even left the mosque walked around the block and came back into shoot the dead bodies some more.why?

This is not a solo mission tbah

Something doesn't add up it was too professional and personal basically at the perfect location as NZ is part of the West but quiet enough to let shooters shoot up an entire city nonchalant. Kinda like a GTA 3 with 3 cop stars.. weird shit

I'm. Sick nigas :(

[Trill Clinton]

have you read any of his manifesto or just spitting talking points as usual?

yes i have. please spare me any further deflecting posts.

[midnightpulp]

JICYMI:

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1106713698662522880

And? Tragedies in 1st world countries tend to get the coverage. If the retarded tweeter is trying to use this as an example of biased reporting in mainstream media (and yes, mainstream media is biased, but biased toward stories that get them television ratings and clicks), he's wrong. There was endless media coverage of the Pulse Nightclub and San Bernardino shootings perpetrated by Muslims. And when the Charlie Hedbo attacks happened in France, no shortage of coverage there, with seemingly the entire world at the time having the French flag as their facebook avatar.

[redzero]

demonic white supremacist right wing shooter in court

https://i.imgur.com/r2reERl.jpg

This is why one can't trust manlets.

[DarrinS]

Lol, girl who tweeted video slamming Chelsea deleted her account. :lol

[midnightpulp]

They voted themselves out. "Sanctuary State" I would cut off all federal spigots. These people are comfortable with burning the state down by not maintaining their parks. These people are moving to the Hill Country and driving up property taxes.

California is more economically and socially healthy than it's been in decades. See how overall crime rates has plunged since the mid-70s, peaking during the 80s and 90s:

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

California's GDP growth outpaces the national GDP growth:

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iJYiHHmdgCTc/v1/-1x-1.png

"muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sanctuary cities."

This isn't simply done to spite Lord Trump. Since illegal immigration is, in fact, at historic lows, especially from Mexico, which is at a net negative, California's agricultural industry has experienced labor shortages. Companies have even offered increased wages and good benefits in an effort to attract native born Americans, and the turn out was poor. https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-farms-immigration/


But the raises and new perks have not tempted native-born Americans to leave their day jobs for the fields. Nine in 10 agriculture workers in California are still foreign born, and more than half are undocumented, according to a federal survey.

Ask spurraider21 or any other Californian here. The lower skilled jobs of fast food worker, busboy, maid, laborer, receptionist, etc will more than likely be filled by recent immigrants. In theory, sure, I would like to punish businesses that hire them, but that isn't going to magically result in native born Americans assuming those jobs, because the fact is native born Americans (in California) do not want those jobs, because they're likely overqualified or already have a better job.

[spurraider21]

Lol, girl who tweeted video slamming Chelsea deleted her account. :lol
darrin following the real stories per par

[koriwhat]

yes i have. please spare me any further deflecting posts.

I doubt it and i bet I'm dead on but keep on pretending if you must.

[Nathan89]

Ask spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) or any other Californian here. The lower skilled jobs of fast food worker, busboy, maid, laborer, receptionist, etc will more than likely be filled by recent immigrants. In theory, sure, I would like to punish businesses that hire them, but that isn't going to magically result in native born Americans assuming those jobs, because the fact is native born Americans (in California) do not want those jobs, because they're likely overqualified or already have a better job.

So we shouldn't hear complaints about unemployment around the country if people aren't willing to move and get jobs. Might be a welfare problem and artificially depressed wage problem as well.

[DarrinS]

Ask spurraider21 or any other Californian here. The lower skilled jobs of fast food worker, busboy, maid, laborer, receptionist, etc will more than likely be filled by recent immigrants. In theory, sure, I would like to punish businesses that hire them, but that isn't going to magically result in native born Americans assuming those jobs, because the fact is native born Americans (in California) do not want those jobs, because they're likely overqualified or already have a better job.


Lol, likely overqualified.

There are a LOT of low skilled, unintelligent people in California.

[Nathan89]

Are we talking about immigrants or illegals?

[midnightpulp]

So we shouldn't hear complaints about unemployment around the country if people aren't willing to move and get jobs. Might be a welfare problem and artificially depressed wage problem as well.

Those jobs have never paid beyond minimum wage, so immigrants aren't suppressing wages in those industries. The reason we now need immigrants to fill those jobs is because of how the labor market changed over the past three decades. The minimum wage service industry jobs were typically filled by teenagers looking for pocket money. That is no longer the case since the average native born American teen now spends 100% of their formative years preparing for college.

Where wage suppression could be happening vis a vis immigration is actually in the higher skilled job market, through importing Chinese and Indian tech workers who are willing to work cheaper via H1B visas.


A new study presented that same day at Harvard University provides strong evidence supporting the critics’ view. It finds that adding employees on the H-1B visa, which is among the commonest and arguably most contentious vehicles for admitting highly skilled guest workers to the United States, has “insignificant effect on patenting, … substantially crowd[s] out employment of other workers, [and] leads to lower average employee wages while raising firm profits.”

https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2015/05/economists-h-1b-visas-suppress-wages

But conservatives won't play ball here to address any potential solutions, since this is the "free market" at work. They'd argue a corporation should do whatever it can within legality to increase shareholder profit. "How about limit H1B visas?" Sure, but it'll cost more to hire American born workers, which will then result in higher prices for consumers. It's a pick your poison scenario: Foreign born=lower prices, American born=higher prices. Everyone wants "Made in America, by Americans," but no one wants to pay American made prices.

[midnightpulp]

Lol, likely overqualified.

There are a LOT of low skilled, unintelligent people in California.

That might be, but in their own minds they're overqualified. If the Lori Loughlin family went totally broke tomorrow, with her dipshit daughters losing all their earning power as social media "influencers," there's no way in Hell those kids are going to be putting in applications at McDonalds. The Loughlin girls basically represent the mentality of your average American born late-teen/20-something, who think they're too good, smart, and special for fast food or laborer work.

[Winehole23]

Lol, likely overqualified.

There are a LOT of low skilled, unintelligent people in California.The notion that agricultural work is low skilled is laughable.

Why did slaves cost as much as houses in the civil war era if they were so "low skilled"?

[DarrinS]

That might be, but in their own minds they're overqualified. If the Lori Loughlin family went totally broke tomorrow, with her dipshit daughters losing all their earning power as social media "influencers," there's no way in Hell those kids are going to be putting in applications at McDonalds. The Loughlin girls basically represent the mentality of your average American born late-teen/20-something, who think they're too good, smart, and special for fast food or laborer work.

I would expect kids of celebrities to have this mentality. What about middle class people? I know that's a shrinking demographic in CA.

[DarrinS]

The notion that agricultural work is low skilled is laughable.

Why did slaves cost as much as houses in the civil war era if they were so "low skilled"?

The post I quoted made zero mention of "agricultural work".

[Nathan89]

Those jobs have never paid beyond minimum wage, so immigrants aren't suppressing wages in those industries. The reason we now need immigrants to fill those jobs is because of how the labor market changed over the past three decades. The minimum wage service industry jobs were typically filled by teenagers looking for pocket money. That is no longer the case since the average native born American teen now spends 100% of their formative years preparing for college.

Where wage suppression could be happening vis a vis immigration is actually in the higher skilled job market, through importing Chinese and Indian tech workers who are willing to work cheaper via H1B visas.



https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2015/05/economists-h-1b-visas-suppress-wages

But conservatives won't play ball here to address any potential solutions, since this is the "free market" at work. They'd argue a corporation should do whatever it can within legality to increase shareholder profit. "How about limit H1B visas?" Sure, but it'll cost more to hire American born workers, which will then result in higher prices for consumers. It's a pick your poison scenario: Foreign born=lower prices, American born=higher prices. Everyone wants "Made in America, by Americans," but no one wants to pay American made prices.

Maids and those other jobs typically get paid more than minimum wage.

Yeah, it makes sense that you'll get less push back on suppressing higher wages than wages at the floor. The impact is much more significant. It also makes more sense to allow skilled people into the country over unskilled. But I've seen people still against it because of lower wages. My biggest problem with that is the country uses it to fill the void created by the terrible k-12 school system.

[midnightpulp]

I would expect kids of celebrities to have this mentality. What about middle class people? I know that's a shrinking demographic in CA.

Our middle-class percentage is 40.9% vs. Texas's 42.9%, so that burn is pretty weak. Anyhow, middle-class parents tend to emphasize a college degree and high-paying "white collar" work for their children over blue collar/service industry jobs. Among the high school teenage demographic alone, the employment rate has fallen from 32% to 16% since 1990, so you can infer that parents and the kids are prioritizing the education/white collar path over other options (i.e. trade school/blue collar).

[Nathan89]

The notion that agricultural work is low skilled is laughable.

Why did slaves cost as much as houses in the civil war era if they were so "low skilled"?

The cost of a slave compared to a house has no connection to skill level of agricultural work. The supply of slaves and the potential labor output would be much more relevant.

[DarrinS]

Our middle-class percentage is 40.9% vs. Texas's 42.9%, so that burn is pretty weak. Anyhow, middle-class parents tend to emphasize a college degree and high-paying "white collar" work for their children over blue collar/service industry jobs. Among the high school teenage demographic alone, the employment rate has fallen from 32% to 16% since 1990, so you can infer that parents and the kids are prioritizing the education/white collar path over other options (i.e. trade school/blue collar).


No burn intended. People are leaving that state in droves, tho.

[Socialist Boogeyman]

Are we talking about immigrants or illegals?
Does it matter? You despise both.

[DarrinS]

Does it matter? You despise both.

Lol, retarded alt

[Capitalist Boogeyman]

Lol, retarded alt

No kidding.

[midnightpulp]

Maids and those other jobs typically get paid more than minimum wage.

Yeah, it makes sense that you'll get less push back on suppressing higher wages than wages at the floor. The impact is much more significant. It also makes more sense to allow skilled people into the country over unskilled. But I've seen people still against it because of lower wages. My biggest problem with that is the country uses it to fill the void created by the terrible k-12 school system.

Maid wages would probably depend on the Hotel (I'm sure they get paid more in fancy Hotels vs. a Motel 6). But no matter. Agricultural companies in California offered increased wages and benefits above minimum wage, and the native born Americans didn't show up. Nor did the supposed "unemployed" Midwestern demographic who saw their livelihoods outsourced and are eternally pissed off at foreigners for "takin their jerbs."

Why does it make more sense to allow skilled people vs. unskilled in the country? That "sensibility" should depend on what the labor market demands. If we're having trouble filling unskilled positions with native born Americans, then allowing them in at a higher rate vs. skilled workers makes more "sense." "But higher skilled and wealth creation!" You don't think reduced labor costs and higher bottom lines for companies increases "wealth creation?"

In California, at least, kids with STEM degrees are cheap. Finding a kid to do roofing in 100 degree weather for 12 hours is actually more of a rare bird these days.

[midnightpulp]

No burn intended. People are leaving that state in droves, tho.

Not a new phenomenon. The highest net out-migration we had was actually in the 90s (peaked at 300K. Fun fact, two termed republican governor at the time). Net out is at about 100K.

[Winehole23]

The cost of a slave compared to a house has no connection to skill level of agricultural work. The supply of slaves and the potential labor output would be much more relevant.what's your source on that?

[Winehole23]

I'll dig up mine. Seasoned workers brought a much higher price due to the length of the learning curve.

Agriculture isn't plug and play.

[midnightpulp]

I'll dig up mine. Seaspned workers brought a much higher price due to the length of the learning curve.

Agriculture isn't plug and play.

I agree that in our modern tech ubiquitous environment, "back breaking" blue collar work demands more comparative skill (pushing through physical exhaustion, enduring the monotony of the work, working efficiently with all manner of tools, are all "skills") than sitting on your ass coding or running data through an algorithm. 7 year olds can fuckin' code, but are total morons when it comes to using hand tools.

[DMC]

We're too busy working our way up that dumb pyramid infographic posted earlier.

If it's on a pyramid you know it's true.

[Winehole23]

Maybe Derp, Chris, Nathan89, or koriwhat can unpack what Louis Gohmert is talking about.


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[midnightpulp]

Maybe Derp, Chris, Nathan89, or koriwhat can unpack what Louis Gohmert is talking about.


1106577310348730368

Probably implying something about immigration law/open borders.

[DarrinS]

Agriculture isn't plug and play.


I tried to plug my Bluetooth speaker into a corn cob. No worky.


Thanks for this wisdom. :tu

[Winehole23]

Contextually that makes no sense, Darrin.

[Winehole23]

It's hard to tell whether you're more glib or dense sometimes.

[Chris]

Maybe Derp, Chris, Nathan89, or koriwhat can unpack what Louis Gohmert is talking about.


1106577310348730368

lol more homework assignments

What's your thoughts on the Gohmert piece?

[Winehole23]

Because a rich white girl is the real victim in all this. Darrin gonna Darrin. A POC spoke rudely to a pregnant Manhattan fortess dweller.

Darrin cut right through all the PC bullshit to the real heart of the problem.

Bitchy Muslims the day after a historic mass slaying.

[Winehole23]

lol more homework assignments

What's your thoughts on the Gohmert piece?it's sideways sympathy for the shooter.

"The Jewish problem is real, but Hitler's methods were too extreme."

[Spurtacular]

"The Jewish problem is real, but Hitler's methods were too extreme."

"Jews are great. Muslims are great. All that killing is happenstance."

[Nathan89]

Maybe Derp, Chris, Nathan89, or koriwhat can unpack what Louis Gohmert is talking about.


1106577310348730368

Sounds like he's saying mass murder isn't the solution to your country allowing people that you don't want there.

[Nathan89]

I'll dig up mine. Seasoned workers brought a much higher price due to the length of the learning curve.

Agriculture isn't plug and play.

Of course some people are going to pick more bushels than others which will demand a higher price. That pertains to the labor output. The price of that individual will also be cut drastically if there was a surplus in slaves.

[Winehole23]

Keep going guys, you're doing great.

:tu

[ElNono]

Splitting up is a best case scenario given the trajectory I see for the country.


Sadly this leads to the divide and conquer scenario which is exactly what Globalists want. The Civil War was intended to divide the country in half, and that's what they want again. If California wants to secede just build the wall twice as high on the Nevada border. They would be begging to come back within a decade.

The world isn't changing for you guys, you're going to have to adapt to it. There really is no big divide, both the more vocal conservative and liberal factions are actually minorities by themselves.

Was gonna recommend to catch a plane and go to some more conservative country, but those are either largely anti-democratic (North Korea, China, Russia, etc)...

[Nathan89]

Maid wages would probably depend on the Hotel (I'm sure they get paid more in fancy Hotels vs. a Motel 6). But no matter. Agricultural companies in California offered increased wages and benefits above minimum wage, and the native born Americans didn't show up. Nor did the supposed "unemployed" Midwestern demographic who saw their livelihoods outsourced and are eternally pissed off at foreigners for "takin their jerbs."

Why does it make more sense to allow skilled people vs. unskilled in the country? That "sensibility" should depend on what the labor market demands. If we're having trouble filling unskilled positions with native born Americans, then allowing them in at a higher rate vs. skilled workers makes more "sense." "But higher skilled and wealth creation!" You don't think reduced labor costs and higher bottom lines for companies increases "wealth creation?"

In California, at least, kids with STEM degrees are cheap. Finding a kid to do roofing in 100 degree weather for 12 hours is actually more of a rare bird these days.

Then cut welfare. Sounds like low skill labor is a distribution problem.

Because I think low skill labor is a distribution problem in this country. While I've been hearing for years that the country needs more stem workers which would point to a supply problem. If that's not true then there is also no need for them either. But yes higher skill people create a better opportunity for industry and job creation. Reduced labor costs is a benefit to the company and a negative to other Americans that compete for them. If we're seeking reduced labor costs then why are we trying to increase minimum wages?

[ElNono]

Maybe Derp, Chris, Nathan89, or koriwhat can unpack what Louis Gohmert is talking about.


1106577310348730368

Louie couldn't get voted to Congress in about 98% of the country, tbh... he really caters to a very special kind of dumb people...

[Winehole23]

Sounds like he's saying mass murder isn't the solution to your country allowing people that you don't want there.Who are you to say who's wanted or not in NZ? We're talking mostly about Asians -- have you got some beef against them too?

[Nathan89]

The world isn't changing for you guys, you're going to have to adapt to it. There really is no big divide, both the more vocal conservative and liberal factions are actually minorities by themselves.

Was gonna recommend to catch a plane and go to some more conservative country, but those are either largely anti-democratic (North Korea, China, Russia, etc)...

There is a massive divide and it continues to worsen.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

Which explains why an American conservative shouldn't want to import people that will just vote against what they want. Meanwhile American leftists will point to 30 countries they would rather live than the US.

[Winehole23]

NZ let them in, what's your problem with them Nathan?

[Winehole23]

There is a massive divide and it continues to worsen.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

Which explains why an American conservative shouldn't want to import people that will just vote against what they want. Meanwhile American leftists will point to 30 countries they would rather live than the US.Do you have any idea how long it takes to naturalize?

People can come here and just start voting, like you suggest.

[Nathan89]

Who are you to say who's wanted or not in NZ? We're talking mostly about Asians -- have you got some beef against them too?

I didn't say. He's speaking to someone that has a problem with other people in NZ. But that's an abstract/reduced take because I didn't read his manifesto in which apparently he also had plans to polarize people elsewhere.

[Nathan89]

Do you have any idea how long it takes to naturalize?

People can come here and just start voting, like you suggest.

I didn't suggest that.

[Winehole23]

Also, your presumption that most immigrants are liberal in the US sense is just weird.

[Winehole23]

I didn't suggest that.

What did you mean by "importing people who will just vote against what [conservatives] want"?

[ElNono]

Then cut welfare. Sounds like low skill labor is a distribution problem.

Because I think low skill labor is a distribution problem in this country. While I've been hearing for years that the country needs more stem workers which would point to a supply problem. If that's not true then there is also no need for them either. But yes higher skill people create a better opportunity for industry and job creation. Reduced labor costs is a benefit to the company and a negative to other Americans that compete for them. If we're seeking reduced labor costs then why are we trying to increase minimum wages?

It's not a problem of welfare... it's a problem that Americans have a much higher standard of living. While immigrants might gladly share an apartment between 5 of them and work with no benefits, Americans not only won't take that job, they probably won't even get offered that job (as soon as that employer is reported to the authorities, that's the end of him). In economic terms, it's really simple, America isn't competitive. The standard of living in the US dictates you can only barely make a living on a minimum wage, and probably only in half the country.

Either you lower the standard of living for everyone, or you provide better paying jobs. Now, if you opt for the later, then it's very likely you can get the same job done overseas for a fraction of the cost, so that's where companies go. Or Automation.

Retraining is very likely the best option for Americans, but it's not always easy.

[Winehole23]

I didn't say. He's speaking to someone that has a problem with other people in NZ. But that's an abstract/reduced take because I didn't read his manifesto in which apparently he also had plans to polarize people elsewhere.You take the shooter and Louis Gohmert at their word, and there you mind comes to a full stop.

[Nathan89]

Many aren't liberal. They just want big government to take care of them. Have no value to 2nd amendment rights because they have no traditional ties to the country. Value the 1st amendment less. Also racial alignment and living in bubble plays a major factor. Mainstream media lying and stating that a comment about illegals pertains to legal immigrants is also a factor. Seems some live in areas that resent America because "stolen land" which also puts them against conservatives in this country.

[ElNono]

There is a massive divide and it continues to worsen.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

Which explains why an American conservative shouldn't want to import people that will just vote against what they want. Meanwhile American leftists will point to 30 countries they would rather live than the US.

There isn't a massive divide (link you posted *still* shows both extremes to be largely minorities), and the fact that Conservatives have been unable to win the popular vote in how many presidential elections in a row now? just goes to show clock is just ticking on one end.

You're absolutely right that moderate-left people can find a much more welcoming world, that's exactly what I meant. The world isn't changing your way, you're the one that gonna have to adapt to the new realities. We do that all the time, tbh...

[Winehole23]

Many aren't liberal. They just want big government to take care of them. Have no value to 2nd amendment rights because they have no traditional ties to the country. Value the 1st amendment less. Also racial alignment and living in bubble plays a major factor. Mainstream media lying and stating that a comment about illegals pertains to legal immigrants is also a factor. Seems some live in areas that resent America because "stolen land" which also puts them against conservatives in this country.You seem to know a lot about what goes in the minds of people you haven't, and never will meet.

[ElNono]

Many aren't liberal. They just want big government to take care of them. Have no value to 2nd amendment rights because they have no traditional ties to the country. Value the 1st amendment less. Also racial alignment and living in bubble plays a major factor. Mainstream media lying and stating that a comment about illegals pertains to legal immigrants is also a factor. Seems some live in areas that resent America because "stolen land" which also puts them against conservatives in this country.

At the end of the day, you reap what you sow. Broad generalizations like the above is why conservatives aren't exactly welcoming either, so this isn't just a one way street problem.

And the slow death of conservatism isn't the death of America either (I've heard that one before). Look at the gold standard for Conservatism right now, a admitted adulterer, re-married 3 times, a bollywood celebrity, former democrat... writing is on the wall.

[Nathan89]

There isn't a massive divide (link you posted *still* shows both extremes to be largely minorities), and the fact that Conservatives have been unable to win the popular vote in how many presidential elections in a row now? just goes to show clock is just ticking on one end.

You're absolutely right that moderate-left people can find a much more welcoming world, that's exactly what I meant. The world isn't changing your way, you're the one that gonna have to adapt to the new realities. We do that all the time, tbh...

To me that's a massive divide and that dated. I can only imagine it's significantly worse now comparatively speaking(so dividing faster than in the past).

[Winehole23]

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[Isitjustme?]

Too me that's a massive divide and that dated. I can only imagine it's significantly worse now comparatively speaking(so dividing faster than in the past).

Nathan :lol has his views of this country so warped by rightwing propaganda lmao

[Nathan89]

At the end of the day, you reap what you sow. Broad generalizations like the above is why conservatives aren't exactly welcoming either, so this isn't just a one way street problem.



Well those are the many reasons I see and the only way to speak on the topic is via broad generalizations.

[Nathan89]

Nathan :lol has his views of this country so warped by rightwing propaganda lmao

Thanks for chiming in. Sorry. Everything is going great in America.

[Spurtacular]

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White Christians good now.

[LaSíSí]

At the end of the day, you reap what you sow. Broad generalizations like the above is why conservatives aren't exactly welcoming either, so this isn't just a one way street problem.

And the slow death of conservatism isn't the death of America either (I've heard that one before). Look at the gold standard for Conservatism right now, a admitted adulterer, re-married 3 times, a bollywood celebrity, former democrat... writing is on the wall.

So much worse than a Muslim plant, a bones and skulls thug, and a rapist.

:cry Conservatism bad :cry
:cry Big writing in the sky even :cry

[Winehole23]

White Christians good now.Who said they were bad?

[benfti]

In America, there are more Hispanics under the Age of 18 than Whites. That's not 10%, that's majority.

65% of this Worlds population is Asian

African population is multiplying


You do know that if you’re Anglo, your origin is either African or Neanderthal?

[midnightpulp]

Then cut welfare. Sounds like low skill labor is a distribution problem.

Because I think low skill labor is a distribution problem in this country. While I've been hearing for years that the country needs more stem workers which would point to a supply problem. If that's not true then there is also no need for them either. But yes higher skill people create a better opportunity for industry and job creation. Reduced labor costs is a benefit to the company and a negative to other Americans that compete for them. If we're seeking reduced labor costs then why are we trying to increase minimum wages?

So when the higher skilled workers at an Amazon, Walmart, etc do something to increase the company's bottom line resulting in more warehouses and stores being built, what type of workers are required to fill those warehouse and service positions? It's a symbiotic relationship.

"We're" not seeking reduced labor costs, the business industry is, which conservatives never run checks on. Conservatives can't have it both ways. Either you celebrate the increased profits for shareholders and owners (which eventually translates into overall GDP growth, i.e. "wealth creation") reduced labor costs illegal and legal immigrants help create, further resulting in lower prices for consumers.

Or you crack down on both forms of immigration, but agree to stronger labor unions, increased wages, and raised taxes on the wealthy, since the native born American standard of living is typically higher than immigrants (if it weren't, or if Americans were willing to lower their standard of living, you wouldn't see all the hand-wringing about wage suppression. Not to mention, Chinese and Indian tech workers won't be under six figures of student loan debt by the time they enter the job market, nor will they likely have extended family members to take care of here, so I don't really want to hear the deflection, "well, millennials just need to stop spending so carelessly on smartphones and Starbucks. Millennials actually spend quite frugally due to the aforementioned reasons).

[apalisoc_9]

Man these threads. Dickheads like spurt always turn this time of mourning into liberal this liberal that and muslims are this and that.

No education and no morals and no sign of etiquette

[Woo Bum-kon]

I find it funny that people are now crying about Trump supporters, specifically on Reddit, being given a platform to express their opinions. There are threads accusing Reddit of having blood on their hands for not suppressing hate speech.

Do these people not see the irony of blaming an entire group, full of hundreds of thousands, for the actions of a handful of people? That kind of reasoning justifies Islamaphobia.

[midnightpulp]

It's not a problem of welfare... it's a problem that Americans have a much higher standard of living. While immigrants might gladly share an apartment between 5 of them and work with no benefits, Americans not only won't take that job, they probably won't even get offered that job (as soon as that employer is reported to the authorities, that's the end of him). In economic terms, it's really simple, America isn't competitive. The standard of living in the US dictates you can only barely make a living on a minimum wage, and probably only in half the country.

Either you lower the standard of living for everyone, or you provide better paying jobs. Now, if you opt for the later, then it's very likely you can get the same job done overseas for a fraction of the cost, so that's where companies go. Or Automation.

Retraining is very likely the best option for Americans, but it's not always easy.

Yep. If conservatives really want to revive industry and return to our American made glory days, then be willing to pay fuckin' (much) higher prices at the register. We can even pass legislation against automation in this regard to protect worker displacement. This won't happen, because liberal and conservative alike need their new iPhone every six months and enjoy paying under 300.00 for a new television or laptop. That little Foxconn Wisconsin deal Trump was touting backed off their promise to hire thousands of on-the-line workers because doing such wouldn't "keep them competitive." Globalization didn't displace the American factory worker. Americans being cheap fucks did.

[LaSíSí]

You do know that if you’re Anglo, your origin is either African or Neanderthal?

:cry We're all Africans or monkeys :cry
:cry amirite? :cry

[ElNono]

Well those are the many reasons I see and the only way to speak on the topic is via broad generalizations.

It's your choice to speak about the topic in whichever way you want. That you prefer broad generalizations speaks about you, not the topic.

[ElNono]

So much worse than a Muslim plant, a bones and skulls thug, and a rapist.

:cry Conservatism bad :cry
:cry Big writing in the sky even :cry

Silly derp. I made no criticism of conservatives in any of those posts... that doesn't mean that the world doesn't move on. I can understand Nathan's struggle to keep holding onto something he feels sacred, but for good or bad, the world evolves and we gotta evolve with it. It really isn't about what he likes or what I like, it's about looking around you and putting a foot on reality. Yeah, the world generally has titled left. Whether that's good or bad, we gotta live in it, so we gotta adapt.

[LaSíSí]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YUwAAOSwX61ZBmE7/s-l300.jpg

[ElNono]

Well, I suppose you can also:

1) Go shoot up innocent people and spend the rest of your days in jail or deathrow

2) Raise your fist in the basement of your home, live a life of frustration being a keyboard warrior that bitches but doesn't change anything.

3) Engage Pavlov in endless rodeos that also get nothing done.

None of them sound really appealing to me, tbh, I rather be a useful member of society. We only live once.

[FrostKing]

Silly derp. I made no criticism of conservatives in any of those posts... that doesn't mean that the world doesn't move on. I can understand Nathan's struggle to keep holding onto something he feels sacred, but for good or bad, the world evolves and we gotta evolve with it. It really isn't about what he likes or what I like, it's about looking around you and putting a foot on reality. Yeah, the world generally has titled left. Whether that's good or bad, we gotta live in it, so we gotta adapt.
America is on the far extreme and driving the train further thru cultural influence - music, movies, clothing etc. Your description isn't quite accurate. You make it seem as if America is just drifting along with the current. That is why "they hate us for our freedom" exists. A-lot of people (growing amount in the World) are against the USA. Without even getting into the "spreading democracy" doctrine.

[Nathan89]

Yeah, and the reality is conservatives are being washed out by generations of illegals and low skilled immigrants. But they pick muh fruit and clean muh houses. Just don't be shocked when people feel hopeless and crime spikes accordingly. That tends to happen when you disregard people.

[LaSíSí]

Well, I suppose you can also:

1) Go shoot up innocent people and spend the rest of your days in jail or deathrow

2) Raise your fist in the basement of your home, live a life of frustration being a keyboard warrior that bitches but doesn't change anything.

3) Engage Pavlov in endless rodeos that also get nothing done.

None of them sound really appealing to me, tbh, I rather be a useful member of society. We only live once.

Obviously, we should all be leftists, then. You're so wise.

[Nathan89]

I find it funny that people are now crying about Trump supporters, specifically on Reddit, being given a platform to express their opinions. There are threads accusing Reddit of having blood on their hands for not suppressing hate speech.

Do these people not see the irony of blaming an entire group, full of hundreds of thousands, for the actions of a handful of people? That kind of reasoning justifies Islamaphobia.

They position people in maga hats as people in KKK outfits and then cry about rhetoric that can lead to mass killings. Quite the disconnect.

[Nathan89]

So when the higher skilled workers at an Amazon, Walmart, etc do something to increase the company's bottom line resulting in more warehouses and stores being built, what type of workers are required to fill those warehouse and service positions? It's a symbiotic relationship.

"We're" not seeking reduced labor costs, the business industry is, which conservatives never run checks on. Conservatives can't have it both ways. Either you celebrate the increased profits for shareholders and owners (which eventually translates into overall GDP growth, i.e. "wealth creation") reduced labor costs illegal and legal immigrants help create, further resulting in lower prices for consumers.

Or you crack down on both forms of immigration, but agree to stronger labor unions, increased wages, and raised taxes on the wealthy, since the native born American standard of living is typically higher than immigrants (if it weren't, or if Americans were willing to lower their standard of living, you wouldn't see all the hand-wringing about wage suppression. Not to mention, Chinese and Indian tech workers won't be under six figures of student loan debt by the time they enter the job market, nor will they likely have extended family members to take care of here, so I don't really want to hear the deflection, "well, millennials just need to stop spending so carelessly on smartphones and Starbucks. Millennials actually spend quite frugally due to the aforementioned reasons).

The unskilled workers across the country that are unemployed. The workers that are losing their jobs to automation. The workers that lose their jobs as shopping shifts from physical stores.

Pretty sure you can be against illegal labor and for the outcome that occurs in the market of legal labor.

[midnightpulp]

America is on the far extreme and driving the train further thru cultural influence - music, movies, clothing etc. Your description isn't quite accurate. You make it seem as if America is just drifting along with the current. That is why "they hate us for our freedom" exists. A-lot of people (growing amount in the World) are against the USA.

Our liberalism was influenced by European intellectuals. And liberalism (in general) is bad why? Yes, I dislike political correctness and people on twitter making mountains out of mole hills about the lack of black representation in country music or some other bullshit nonsense, but liberalism is tied to humanism, so I don't see how this a negative ideology? Some of the complaints I've seen you have:

Race mixing. People have race mixed for thousands of years. Race is also a horseshit concept, and I find it quite sad that we are collectively so stupid as species at times that we'd dehumanize people based on something as frivolous as a phenotypical trait that is differently expressed the nearer you get to the equator. What's next? Heightism?

Cultural replacement. No one is preventing anyone else from practicing traditional culture. I know the fear here is that the "other" will "invade" Western countries to such a degree that it'll eventually result in the eradication of the host culture, but that isn't likely, even with the current white birth rates (nothing is keeping them from pro-creating, either).

Furthermore, cultural replacement has happened all throughout history. Northern Europeans were once barbaric pagans until the Romans forced Christianity on them at the point of a sword. This is another reason why I find the caterwauling from European "Identitarians" hilarious, as if there's some pure European culture to preserve. Europe is a land full of mutts in the cultural sense, and warred over these various cultural differences for thousands of years.

Gays, Trannies, Non-Binaries. If they don't hurt anyone, who gives a shit?

I think you've exaggerated many of these issues to eschatological levels. There isn't going to be a "great replacement" or white genocide.

[midnightpulp]

Yeah, and the reality is conservatives are being washed out by generations of illegals and low skilled immigrants. But they pick muh fruit and clean muh houses. Just don't be shocked when people feel hopeless and crime spikes accordingly. That tends to happen when you disregard people.

Then tell Cletus to put the Fentanyl down and come to California to pick fruit and day labor. He won't do that because, "I want muh factory work paying me muh 35.00 /hr plus benefits."

[midnightpulp]

The unskilled workers across the country that are unemployed. The workers that are losing their jobs to automation. The workers that lose their jobs as shopping shifts from physical stores.

Pretty sure you can be against illegal labor and for the outcome that occurs in the market of legal labor.

Automation is overblown. Many of those factory jobs were automated decades ago.

https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/ai-is-not-eliminating-jobs/

Construction workers, plumbers, janitors, service workers, truckers, laborers are in no danger of being automated any time soon. If the automation apocalypse was happening, why is employment at historic lows (yes, the figure only counts people actively looking for work, but I'd like to see data that illustrates there's more total unemployment now than in years past).

If you want illegal labor reduced, tell Jimbo to lower his standard of living and go pick fruit in the California sun for the same wages they're getting. "Uh, he can't do that cuz illegals undercut him!" They've raised wages and included benefits. Jimbo still doesn't want the job.

[ElNono]

America is on the far extreme and driving the train further thru cultural influence - music, movies, clothing etc. Your description isn't quite accurate. You make it seem as if America is just drifting along with the current. That is why "they hate us for our freedom" exists. A-lot of people (growing amount in the World) are against the USA. Without even getting into the "spreading democracy" doctrine.

America is without a doubt one of those places where you can still find some rare bastions of conservatism. You've traveled, you know what 'normal' looks like, you've described your repulsiveness for it many times. And America is certainly drifting with everyone else... what's left of the Thatcher/Reagan golden era of the 80's?

It doesn't mean conservatives are going to be extinct, it's the realization that you're becoming a minority what really scares the heck out of you. You can't understand how other white people moved on and have perfectly normal and successful lives in this society, and it's not really difficult, race doesn't matter.

[FrostKing]

Our liberalism was influenced by European intellectuals. And liberalism (in general) is bad why? Yes, I dislike political correctness and people on twitter making mountains out of mole hills about the lack of black representation in country music or some other bullshit nonsense, but liberalism is tied to humanism, so I don't see how this a negative ideology? Some of the complaints I've seen you have:

Race mixing. People have race mixed for thousands of years. Race is also a horseshit concept, and I find it quite sad that we are collectively so stupid as species at times that we'd dehumanize people based on something as frivolous as a phenotypical trait that is differently expressed the nearer you get to the equator. What's next? Heightism?

Cultural replacement. No one is preventing anyone else from practicing traditional culture. I know the fear here is that the "other" will "invade" Western countries to such a degree that it'll eventually result in the eradication of the host culture, but that isn't likely, even with the current white birth rates (nothing is keeping them from pro-creating, either).

Furthermore, cultural replacement has happened all throughout history. Northern Europeans were once barbaric pagans until the Romans forced Christianity on them at the point of a sword. This is another reason why I find the caterwauling from European "Identitarians" hilarious, as if there's some pure European culture to preserve. Europe is a land full of mutts in the cultural sense, and warred over these various cultural differences for thousands of years.

Gays, Trannies, Non-Binaries. If they don't hurt anyone, who gives a shit?

I think you've exaggerated many of these issues to eschatological levels. There isn't going to be a "great replacement" or white genocide.
I think America (post WW2) has specific fundamental characteristics and projects these to other nations as not only the norm but also something that needs to be shrived for. And has gone to War to force others to take on these characteristics. Surprise surprise these people just end up being consumers to American capitalism.

There isn't going to be a "great replacement"? There already has been. How else do you explain 90% White down to 65% in the span of 50 years.

[ElNono]

Obviously, we should all be leftists, then. You're so wise.

Never said such thing. You're gonna have to work on a society that largely has tilted left over generations, that much is true. You did it while Obama was president, tbh, it's not an insurmountable problem.

The notion that we're going backwards towards some sort of conservative heaven, through a split in the country or otherwise, is just absurd.

[midnightpulp]

I think America (post WW2) has specific fundamental characteristics and projects these to other nations as not only the norm but also something that needs to be shrived for. And has gone to War to force others to take on these characteristics. Surprise surprise these people just end up being consumers to American capitalism.

There isn't going to be a "great replacement"? There already has been. How else do you explain 90% White down to 65% in the span of 50 years.

In the old days, the Census basically asked if you were white, black, Asian. Hispanic/Latino wasn't yet a sub-group. Furthermore, many Hispanic-Americans of that era would use their middle names as last names to avoid discrimination. I mentioned Ted Williams earlier. He said he was fortunate to have his father's last name rather than his mother's in this regard. Also, what does "white" even mean? Again, it's a nothing but a phenotypical trait that is more or less expressed depending on how close your ancestors lived near the equator. Is a person of African descent born and raised in London, who earned a PhD in English literature more "white" than Manu Ginobili? Is this girl white or Mexican?

https://www.celebritysizes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Sara-Paxton.jpg

She's half-Mexican and I believe checks the Hispanic box on the census. So you see how silly it is to reduce the situation down to simplistic stats.

[midnightpulp]

Related to ^ this point, I have a friend of Indian descent. Dark complexion and dark hair. Her kid has blond hair and is white as the driven snow, so if FrostKing irrationally fears "white traits" being phased out by "race-mixing," genetics doesn't work that way. This is why the "65 percent" white number is nonsense. That number doesn't count Hispanic Whites (like Manu Ginobili) and discounts "white skinned" people who check Hispanic, Asian, or some other ethnicity on the box because they're a percentage of that ethnicity.

[ElNono]

I'm two generations down from my Italian roots, but... hispanic.

[Nathan89]

Yeah, Frostking America is about as white as it has always been. So don't bring up that nonsense. :rolleyes

[FrostKing]

Related to ^ this point, I have a friend of Indian descent. Dark complexion and dark hair. Her kid has blond hair and is white as the driven snow, so if FrostKing irrationally fears "white traits" being phased out by "race-mixing," genetics doesn't work that way. This is why the "65 percent" white number is nonsense. That number doesn't count Hispanic Whites (like Manu Ginobili) and discounts "white skinned" people who check Hispanic, Asian, or some other ethnicity on the box because they're a percentage of that ethnicity.
Ultimately it comes down to losing advantages. For example when I meet a new Hispanic/Black/Asian co-worker and eventually they find out I'm Polish - there is no connection. To them it is as foreign as to me Nicaragua, Ghana or Guam. But with whites there is a high probability of them sharing an experience, anecdote or even family story. This breaks the ice and possibly even connects us. (Think Jews working in the same industry). Hispanic/Black/Asian co-workers are far less likely to have or plan to visit Europe. It is just not as much on their radar. So we have less common interests and experiences. I get along with all my co-workers but when they speak privately with each other in Spanish or Filipino - it is a line between us. I wouldn't want to work at a job with only Polaks or only Whites but I do prefer the mindset to be thru my perspective.

The irony is that I tend to receive more attention from women in America (than in Europe) as my light hair and light eyes becomes more rare. But as someone that has experienced being part of a homogenous community, there is no better feeling that fitting in and I think this is why Americans are increasingly unhappy.

[midnightpulp]

I'm two generations down from my Italian roots, but... hispanic.

Exactly. We define ourselves more by culture and not by shallow phenotypical traits. America is such a diverse, diffuse culture, that identifiers such as African-American, Hispanic-American make little sense in reality. I mean, is an African-American who plays Jazz, but likes to surf, dislikes "urban hip-hop" culture, plays golf and not basketball, but likes soul food "black?" Or is he "less black" than Kendrick Lamar? Many Americans are like this, with a wide range of interests created by a variety of cultures.

And to calm Frost's nerves, the white population has actually increased by 65 million over 50 years :lol.

[midnightpulp]

Ultimately it comes down to losing advantages. For example when I meet a new Hispanic/Black/Asian co-worker and eventually they find out I'm Polish - there is no connection. To them it is as foreign as to me Nicaragua, Ghana or Guam. But with whites there is a high probability of them sharing an experience, anecdote or even family story. This breaks the ice and possibly even connects us. (Think Jews working in the same industry). Hispanic/Black/Asian co-workers are far less likely to have or plan to visit Europe. It is just not as much on their radar. So we have less common interests and experiences. I get along with all my co-workers but when they speak privately with each other in Spanish or Filipino - it is a line between us. I wouldn't want to work at a job with only Polaks or only Whites but I do prefer the mindset to be thru my perspective.

The irony is that I tend to receive more attention from women in America (than in Europe) as my light hair and light eyes becomes more rare. But as someone that has experienced being part of a homogenous community, there is no better feeling that fitting in and I think this is why Americans are increasingly unhappy.

How does a Swede share your "mindset?" My own anecdotal story is going to Catholic school in Southern California (probably the most diverse region of the US outside of New York). Mexicans, Italians, Poles, Irish, Indians, Asians, and a few blacks (to be fair, this was in the 80s and 90s). No one self-segregated nor did we see each other as, "that's my Irish friend. That's my black friend." The connection came through living in the same neighborhoods, playing and following the same sports, and just having common interests in general. This is why I argue that homogeneity develops better through shared cultural experiences than through physical resemblance, so I don't agree that you would connect better to a native Swede who barely speaks English over a 3rd generation Hispanic who likes baseball and soccer, unless you were actively judging by appearance.

Now, again, I mentioned my experience being in the 80s and 90s because that was before identity politics were really a thing, and if you want to have a conservation about how the rise of identity politics has attacked the E Pluribus Unum concept, there's plenty of meat on that bone. My main point is that trying to judge the actual demographics of the US through census data is a bit of fool's errand, since a 4th generation Hispanic-American is very different culturally than a 1st generation Hispanic immigrant.

[midnightpulp]

Yeah, Frostking America is about as white as it has always been. So don't bring up that nonsense. :rolleyes

65% white non-Hispanic, 12% white-Hispanic, plus "white skinned" people who check the Asian, Hispanic, and even Black boxes for whatever reason (let's be conservative and say that accounts for 3%). That leaves the US 80 percent white. The US was 80 percent white in 1790 :lol.

"Oh noes, whites have declined by 10 percent from their 1940 peak because other people like having sex more." And once again, someone like Desi Arnaz would be counted as "white" in the 1950s, despite a darker complexion and Latin features.

And why would the US becoming less white (again, what the fuck does "white" even mean? Define it) bother you anyway?

[DMC]

I'm two generations down from my Italian roots, but... hispanic.

So you're a beawop

[Will Hunting]

So you're a beawop
I think the appropriate term is beanwop:lol

[Spurs Homer]

Why can't this happen here when a FOX news paid senator is on the air?


:lmao:lmao


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-16/fraser-anning-egged-in-melbourne-while-speaking-to-media/10908650

[Trill Clinton]

Why can't this happen here when a FOX news paid senator is on the air?


:lmao:lmao


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-16/fraser-anning-egged-in-melbourne-while-speaking-to-media/10908650


https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/1106804406828167170

:lmao

[Trill Clinton]

https://twitter.com/TheRealPBarry/status/1106810210931240961

we must protect this kid at all costs.

[Spurs Homer]

Man

Gym Jordan would be the perfect asshole to egg on live tv

:lmao:lmao

[Winehole23]

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[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/TheRealPBarry/status/1106810210931240961

we must protect this kid at all costs.

Chokehold was excessive, but the kid was in the wrong. This Anning has shitty opinions, but the kid still technically assaulted him. Shoe on the other foot, liberals would want some edgy alt-right teen dealt with if they egged O'Rourke.

[Winehole23]

Faces of the victims:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213358

[Winehole23]

Naeem Rashid & son Talha, 21

Naeem reportedly died at Christchurch Hospital, after he tried to wrestle the gun from the shooter at the Al Noor mosque. His son Tahla was also shot and killed.so much for Spurtacular's narrative that the slain were an undifferentiated mass of cringing cowards.

[Winehole23]

Husne Ara Parvin, 42

Parvin was shot when she tried to save her wheelchair-bound husband Farid Uddin, according to a relative.

[Winehole23]

There are survivors:

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[Nathan89]

That excessive choking reminded me of the sandlot actor that nearly killed someone because he was an idiot. Wouldn't mind seeing this idiot arrested tbh.

"A man who was choked unconscious by an off-duty Los Angeles firefighter who saw him handing out Halloween candy to children will receive $7.4 million to settle a lawsuit, his attorney announced Wednesday.

Samuel Chang suffered a traumatic brain injury, nearly died and still has medical problems from the 2015 attack that was captured on video, attorney David Ring said."

[Winehole23]

Find information about how to support the survivors here:

http://www.victimsupport.org.nz

[pgardn]

We've come to a point in spurstalk that you can now identify people who celebrate or justify massacres of minorities.

I aint naming but we know who you are

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png


derp
nathan
chris
frostking

These are your basic paranoid fruits

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/oz_f/status/1106419337567428608?s=20

Freedom of speech is too important to silence people which is what many want. And outside of silence then you are "amplifying".

https://twitter.com/SerAdelphel/status/1106927025493815297?s=20

Hates free speech. Hates white people. Lives in a Western country.

[Winehole23]

No one has silenced you and nobody will.

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/oz_f/status/1106419337567428608?s=20

Freedom of speech is too important to silence people which is what many want. And outside of silence then you are "amplifying".

https://twitter.com/SerAdelphel/status/1106927025493815297?s=20

Hates free speech. Hates white people. Lives in a Western country.

Find as many people on Twitter just like you, but on the other side.
Yes, then amplify.

[Nathan89]

People are arrested in weak Western countries for wrong speech that many Dems glorify. Polls show a lack of value for free speech. I wasn't really talking about me in this instance but even in this country I'm not confident even in relatively short term future.

[Winehole23]

what you characterize as oppression is just criticism -- the free spech of others who don't like what you say.

There's no right to spout hatred and racism online free of criticism.

[spurraider21]

I tried to plug my Bluetooth speaker into a corn cob. No worky.


Thanks for this wisdom. :tu
Plug in your beats to beets
SpursforSix

[Trill Clinton]

There are survivors:

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Thanks for posting

[DMC]

https://twitter.com/TheRealPBarry/status/1106810210931240961

we must protect this kid at all costs.

You're buying a plane ticket then and going to oversee the security of this guy?

Or

No, just going to post about it.

[DMC]

There are survivors:

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Thoughts and prayers good now

[Winehole23]

Thoughts and prayers good nownothing wrong with putting emphasis on victims and survivors. If you want to help them tangibly I posted a link for that too.

[DMC]

nothing wrong with putting emphasis on victims and survivors. If you want to help them tangibly I posted a link for that too.

Thoughts and prayers good now

[Winehole23]

Thoughts and prayers good nowwhatever floats yer boat, man

[Spurs Homer]

They asked the White Supremacist-in-Chief - if he saw a -

worrying rise in white supremacy movements -

and the White Supremacist said - NO.

What a stupid question to ask a White Supremacist.

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/oz_f/status/1106419337567428608?s=20

Freedom of speech is too important to silence people which is what many want. And outside of silence then you are "amplifying".

https://twitter.com/SerAdelphel/status/1106927025493815297?s=20

Hates free speech. Hates white people. Lives in a Western country.

it's the same ol' story with the religion of hate.

[ElNono]

So you're a beawop

more like a beanwp, tbh

[FrostKing]

How does a Swede share your "mindset?" My own anecdotal story is going to Catholic school in Southern California (probably the most diverse region of the US outside of New York). Mexicans, Italians, Poles, Irish, Indians, Asians, and a few blacks (to be fair, this was in the 80s and 90s). No one self-segregated nor did we see each other as, "that's my Irish friend. That's my black friend." The connection came through living in the same neighborhoods, playing and following the same sports, and just having common interests in general. This is why I argue that homogeneity develops better through shared cultural experiences than through physical resemblance, so I don't agree that you would connect better to a native Swede who barely speaks English over a 3rd generation Hispanic who likes baseball and soccer, unless you were actively judging by appearance.

Now, again, I mentioned my experience being in the 80s and 90s because that was before identity politics were really a thing, and if you want to have a conservation about how the rise of identity politics has attacked the E Pluribus Unum concept, there's plenty of meat on that bone. My main point is that trying to judge the actual demographics of the US through census data is a bit of fool's errand, since a 4th generation Hispanic-American is very different culturally than a 1st generation Hispanic immigrant.
I enjoy reading your post. I had the same experience as my circle of friends was diverse. And they are still a major part of my life. But as we aged and went to College and thereafter - social circles shrink and people gravitate towards those that look, sound and think like them. For example my black friend was no longer into punk music and surfer clothes.

I think if I cut media (and that includes sports/music) From my life it would be manageable. Because nationally many of these minority groups hispanics/blacks aren't looking for equality but instead to settle a score (blacks) or make this their new country (hispanics).

It just isn't desirable to me. I could bite my lip, change my life and make it manageable but I personally have other options. Once I have children that's another battle to shield them from pop culture. I think that is a very difficult battle to win without offering them native heritage and customs - self worth.

[vy65]

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Fascinating how prescient this quote is.

[boutons_deux]

Fascinating how prescient this quote is.

There's nothing new under the sun

[Trill Clinton]

semi automatic guns banned in NZ.

[apalisoc_9]

semi automatic guns banned in NZ.

Nice. Only took one incident

Meanwhile in the US......

[BD24]

semi automatic guns banned in NZ.
Good for them. Would be nice to see countries get to where Australia is as far as gun laws.

[FrostKing]

Good for them. Would be nice to see countries get to where Australia is as far as gun laws.
A nice luxury to have when your immigration and refugee policy is air tight

[boutons_deux]

you muslim-hating, Trash-fellatin assholes have more blood on your murderous hands

[Winehole23]

Jeet Heer with a roundup of right wing apologies for the shooter's racist intolerance, er, legitimate concerns:



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[koriwhat]

you muslim-hating, Trash-fellatin assholes have more blood on your murderous hands

whatever you crazy cat lady

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1107023813919698944

[spurraider21]

semi automatic guns banned in NZ.
I’m sure they’ll fall into a tyrannical dictatorship in the near future since citizens can no longer defend themselves

[FrostKing]

Jeet Heer with a roundup of right wing apologies for the shooter's racist intolerance, er, legitimate concerns:



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It has been reported the shooter traveled Europe/Asia and it sharply changed his viewpoint. You should leave USA some time and see for yourself that multiculturalism is extreme.

[Winehole23]

in the victimization sweepstakes, there can only be one number one.

Chris very much cares that his creed continue to receive top billing, the day after a historic masscre of Muslims at prayer.

It's almost like he's jealous of the attention somone else is getting.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1107019529459257347

[koriwhat]

it's always sad when innocent lives are taken senselessly. however, i see stockholm syndrome is strong with some here yet we never see this much outcry when the shoe is on the other foot.

[HarlemHeat37]

White people are terrifying, I literally run whenever I see a white man in his 20s walking alone and staring at me with his hands in his coat, tbh..any moment could be the last..

[koriwhat]

White people are terrifying, I literally run whenever I see a white man in his 20s walking alone and staring at me with his hands in his coat, tbh..any moment could be the last..

you're a white "man". ain't no black dude signing up on multiple forums to troll. you're a loser with white guilt. lmao!

[HarlemHeat37]

you're a white "man". ain't no black dude signing up on multiple forums to troll. you're a loser with white guilt. lmao!

Why do you talk like this when you still refuse to give me the name and address of your shop?

[Will Hunting]

Why do you talk like this when you still refuse to give me the name and address of your shop?
:lol that's been available for awhile now...

Mannly Tattoos
12330 West Ave
STE 204C
San Antonio, TX 78216

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol that's been available for awhile now...

Mannly Tattoos
12330 West Ave
STE 204C
San Antonio, TX 78216

:lol thanks..I'm gonna be in SA for Ginobili's retirement, going to post my visit to Koriwhat's shop here.. excited to meet him..

[Will Hunting]

:lol thanks..I'm gonna be in SA for Ginobili's retirement, going to post my visit to Koriwhat's shop here.. excited to meet him..
I think BD24 visited the place not too long ago, might want to ask him what his experience was like.

[HarlemHeat37]

I think BD24 visited the place not too long ago, might want to ask him what his experience was like.

Was koriwhat there, though? That's the main attraction, it'll probably be the only time I ever visit SA again:lol

[koriwhat]

Why do you talk like this when you still refuse to give me the name and address of your shop?

i refused? man the funniest thing of all is your bs narrative and the fact that you think you're hard. lmao!

[koriwhat]

:lol thanks..I'm gonna be in SA for Ginobili's retirement, going to post my visit to Koriwhat's shop here.. excited to meet him..

i hope you do! i'll be here waiting on all your bitchasses tbh.

[koriwhat]

I think BD24 visited the place not too long ago, might want to ask him what his experience was like.

he didn't visit shit... just like he didn't meet up the last time and proof is his reluctance to dispute time stamped photo evidence but yall can keep on playing patty cake like the children yall are.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealMAGASteve/status/1106969395123892227

[Winehole23]

wonder where anyone would get such ideas?

no need to travel to Pakistan, just turn on the TV and watch Fox News.

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[FrostKing]

Isn't that cultural appropriation?

She should get a female circumcision too

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/RealMAGASteve/status/1106969395123892227

Um, showing solidarity with minority (non-violent and productive) citizens of your country bad now? And what does "Muslim apologist" mean here exactly? Not sure what the Mosque victims nor New Zealand's (non-violent and productive) Muslim community have to do with Islamic terrorism?

[Chris]

Um, showing solidarity with minority (non-violent and productive) citizens of your country bad now? And what does "Muslim apologist" mean here exactly? Not sure what the Mosque victims nor New Zealand's (non-violent and productive) Muslim community have to do with Islamic terrorism?

This looks fishy AF especially with all the names involved. Candace Owens wtf??? This dude traveled to Turkey and Pakistan - 2 DOMINANT Islamic countries. Something is not right here. This screams false flag/ Hegelian Dialectic to me imo

[ElNono]

The only thing that I can think could come out of this is radicalized islamists declaring jihad on basement incel white supremacists, tbh...

Just hope we can cordon them off in some area so innocent people don't have to die while they bout it out...

[FrostKing]

The only thing that I can think could come out of this is radicalized islamists declaring jihad on basement incel white supremacists, tbh...

Just hope we can cordon them off in some area so innocent people don't have to die while they bout it out...
This shooter probably saw more of the World in the past 5 years than you have your entire life

[midnightpulp]

Observing a group's religious traditions when visiting them isn't uncommon for politicians.

https://media.salon.com/2017/05/trump-in-israel-620x412.jpg

https://mx.hola.com/imagenes/famosos/2017052418036/melania-ivanka-trump-visita-papa-francisco/0-77-86/trumppapa4-a.jpg

[apalisoc_9]

This looks fishy AF especially with all the names involved. Candace Owens wtf??? This dude traveled to Turkey and Pakistan - 2 DOMINANT Islamic countries. Something is not right here. This screams false flag/ Hegelian Dialectic to me imo

Conspiracy theorist now :lmao

[midnightpulp]

It has been reported the shooter traveled Europe/Asia and it sharply changed his viewpoint. You should leave USA some time and see for yourself that multiculturalism is extreme.

You mean like Europe has always been? The continent nearly destroyed itself about 10 thousand times fighting over these cultural differences.

[Spurminator]

Observing a group's religious traditions when visiting them isn't uncommon for politicians.

Nor businesspeople.

This is just more paranoid lunacy targeting people who never get out of the house.

[ElNono]

This shooter probably saw more of the World in the past 5 years than you have your entire life

You're likely wrong. I've no idea where he traveled, but my personal itinerary only in the last two years include: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, Paris, London, Toronto, Las Vegas, Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco/Oakland, New York, South Texas, Reynosa, Mexico... just off the top of my head.

I do happen to travel more than most people, though. I also happen to be educated, and not proud of being an ignorant, as he admitted to be.

[apalisoc_9]

You're likely wrong. I've no idea where he traveled, but my personal itinerary only in the last two years include: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, Paris, London, Toronto, Las Vegas, Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco/Oakland, New York, South Texas, Reynosa, Mexico... just off the top of my head.

I do happen to travel more than most people, though. I also happen to be educated, and not proud of being an ignorant, as he admitted to be.
Will Hunting

So apperently this dude was poor and uneducated.

You might be on to something. I recall you saying something all the lines that white trash MAGA are mostly that

Hmm..

[ElNono]

Will Hunting

So apperently this dude was poor and uneducated.

You might be on to something. I recall you saying something all the lines that white trash MAGA are mostly that

Hmm..

It's on his manifest, posted in the first post ITT.

[Spurtacular]

wonder where anyone would get such ideas?

no need to travel to Pakistan, just turn on the TV and watch Fox News.

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Man, it sucks that we got a president who actually acknowledges muslim atrocities. Amirite, blakehole?

[Spurtacular]

Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032)

So apperently this dude was poor and uneducated.

You might be on to something. I recall you saying something all the lines that white trash MAGA are mostly that

Hmm..

:lol Box checker

This guy has serious issues; but he is not an outright idiot (in some respects).

[midnightpulp]

Man, it sucks that we got a president who actually acknowledges muslim atrocities. Amirite, blakehole?

Do you believe generalizing an entire group for the actions of a minority leads to healthy discourse? We have some 3.5 million Muslims living in the US, and have had less than 10 terror acts committed by domestic Muslims. So no, it doesn't seem Muslims are a "problem" in this country.

[Winehole23]

Racist terror isn't just a domestic threat, it's a US export:

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[Spurtacular]

Do you believe generalizing an entire group for the actions of a minority leads to healthy discourse? We have some 3.5 million Muslims living in the US, and have had less than 10 terror acts committed by domestic Muslims. So no, it doesn't seem Muslims are a "problem" in this country.

Crime rates by Muslims are significantly high all over the place. Buzz words like minority, generalize, etc. does not play on my sympathy. I do not appreciate neutered leaders who want to ignore the dogma and call to arms that is Islam.

[benfti]

Observing a group's religious traditions when visiting them isn't uncommon for politicians.

https://media.salon.com/2017/05/trump-in-israel-620x412.jpg

https://mx.hola.com/imagenes/famosos/2017052418036/melania-ivanka-trump-visita-papa-francisco/0-77-86/trumppapa4-a.jpgwas just about to post the same pictures

[Winehole23]

Crime rates by Muslims are significantly high all over the place. Buzz words like minority, generalize, etc. does not play on my sympathy. I do not appreciate neutered leaders who want to ignore the dogma and call to arms that is Islam.
Do you think it's time for whitey to get up off the couch and do something about it?

[Spurtacular]

Do you think it's time for whitey to get up off the couch and do something about it?

They did; that's why you're triggered.

[midnightpulp]

Crime rates by Muslims are significantly high all over the place. Buzz words like minority, generalize, etc. does not play on my sympathy. I do not appreciate neutered leaders who want to ignore the dogma and call to arms that is Islam.

If this "call to arms" indeed radicalized Muslims to the level you're implying, why hasn't domestic Islamic terrorism exploded in the US?

Oops:


What about violent crime? Here Muslims are way behind the rest of us—and in a good way. Homicide rates in Muslim-majority countries average about two murders per annum per 100,000 people. In non-Muslim countries, the average rate is about 8 per 100,000

https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-islam-isnt-inherently-violent-and-the-math-proves-it

And our employees (politicians aren't "leaders") should feel free to call out Islamic extremism whenever and wherever, but let's not endorse demonizing an entire group of people as they do so. Would you like it if I generalized conservative behavior from the actions of alt-right retards?

[midnightpulp]

They did; that's why you're triggered.

How was that incel justified when the New Zealand Muslim community isn't violent?

[Spurtacular]

How was that incel justified when the New Zealand Muslim community isn't violent?

I wasn't talking about that.

[Spurtacular]

Would you like it if I generalized conservative behavior from the actions of alt-right retards?

Fuck you. That's exactly what you're doing with the term alt-right retard.

[apalisoc_9]

Their book and their history is downright demonic, retard.

Christianisty was peacefull?

Damn breh. These are signs of extremisim. Legit scared this dude IP tracks me and kills my family.

[Spurtacular]

Christianisty was peacefull?

Damn breh. These are signs of extremisim. Legit scared this dude IP tracks me and kills my family.

Dude, I know you've been schooled on this plenty. I don't give a fuck about your moral relativism.

[Trill Clinton]

https://twitter.com/MuslimIQ/status/1107121095537250305

NZ leadership :toast

[apalisoc_9]

https://twitter.com/MuslimIQ/status/1107121095537250305

NZ leadership :toast

Banned ARs in one incident..

Meanwhile..

[Spurtacular]

Homicide rates in Muslim-majority countries average about two murders per annum per 100,000 people. In non-Muslim countries, the average rate is about 8 per 100,000

That stat is total bull shit. You should consider your sources in the future.

[midnightpulp]

Their book and their history is downright demonic, retard.

Then why do Muslim majority countries have less violence than Christian majority countries? Yes, I firmly disagree with many of Islam's core tenants, primarily the way the religion subjugates women (although, I think most Muslims in 1st world countries are moderate in this regard, much like Christians don't leave their families to devote their lives to Jesus [something Jesus did indeed "command,"]), but I don't feel it's any more or less dangerous of an ideology than Christianity when practiced by reasonable people. Islamic terrorists come from war torn hellholes, so it's more likely that their dire economic conditions and violent environment played a role in their anger and radicalization than anything else, with Islam simply being used as a mobilizing force, as governments and leaders have been doing for millennia.

[Spurtacular]

Then why do Muslim majority countries have less violence than Christian majority countries?

Because you gave me a bull shit stat? Check out the stats on Sweden pre/post Muslim immigration.

[Spurtacular]

Islamic terrorists come from war torn hellholes, so it's more likely that their dire economic conditions and violent environment played a role in their anger and radicalization than anything else, with Islam simply being used as a mobilizing force, as governments and leaders have been doing for millennia.

Sure, outside forces can alter anything. Bottom line is Muslim countries are shit for a reason. Even the ones that have prosperity are built on slave labor or an embarrassment of riches (ie oil reserves).

[Spurtacular]

I don't feel it's any more or less dangerous of an ideology than Christianity when practiced by reasonable people.

Reality doesn't care how you feel.

[midnightpulp]

That stat is total bull shit. You should consider your sources in the future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Clicking around, we don't get to a Muslim majority country until Iraq. Facts, they are troubling things.

[Winehole23]

I wasn't talking about that.Sure you were. You agreed the Christchurch massacre was an example of whitey getting off the couch to do something about the problematic presence of Muslims in majority European societies.

The shooter's cause is your cause too.

[apalisoc_9]

Fuck you. That's exactly what you're doing with the term alt-right retard.

Why you so hostile.

Midnight is just trying to have a mature and constrcutive and productive discussion with you and you respond with violent words.

[apalisoc_9]

Sure you were. You agreed the Christchurch massacre was an example of whitey getting off the couch to do something about the problematic presence of Muslims in majority European societies.

The shooter's cause is your cause too.

Stay safe

[midnightpulp]

Because you gave me a bull shit stat? Check out the stats on Sweden pre/post Muslim immigration.

Is that because they're Muslims or poor as shit immigrants? When the US imported Irish and Italians (who the Nativists didn't approve of), domestic violent crime also increased, and was reason for a lot of the anti-Catholic sentiment in those days.

http://violentdeathproject.com/charts/UK%20compared%20to%20US%2020th%20century%20homicid e%20rates-large.jpg

Notice that 1905-07 spike (at fucking 9/100K, that's twice as high as today, despite the retarded right claiming that Luhtino immigrants are driving up crime levels to unprecedented degrees).

That's when the US admitted the most immigrants from southern Europe in the Ellis Island days.

https://www.history.com/news/immigrants-ellis-island-short-processing-time

These facts will go over your head, because of your inflexible worldview, but try as you might, your handwaving doesn't invalidate them.

[DMC]

Banned ARs in one incident..

Meanwhile..

This is ironic since the poster you quoted was looking for an AR not too long ago :lol

[Spurtacular]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Clicking around, we don't get to a Muslim majority country until Iraq. Facts, they are troubling things.

Not gonna pretend that reported secular murders in NYC is the same as often unreported muslim murders in Bangladesh. And again, it's not like we don't have real contrast with European violence on the rise brought on by Muslim immigrants.

[Chris]

Democrats and RINOs shilling hard for terrorism.

[Spurtacular]

Is that because they're Muslims or poor as shit immigrants?

Both. Islam subjugates them. That's it's stated mission, too.

[midnightpulp]

Why you so hostile.

Midnight is just trying to have a mature and constrcutive and productive discussion with you and you respond with violent words.

Hate becomes central to some people's identity, and to challenge it makes them psychologically uncomfortable since they're so invested in their narrow point-of-view.

[DMC]

Racist terror isn't just a domestic threat, it's a US export:

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Unsubstantiated hyperbole. Settle down Winehole before you have an aneurysm.

[Spurtacular]

Notice that 1905-07 spike (at fucking 9/100K, that's twice as high as today, despite the retarded right claiming that Luhtino immigrants are driving up crime levels to unprecedented degrees).

You obviously didn't look at the murder rate for Mexico on that wiki link you posted. Yea, Mexico is akin to Islamic countries in terms of being a shit hole.

[ElNono]

:lol Box checker

This guy has serious issues; but he is not an outright idiot (in some respects).

Of course he's not an idiot, much like Frosty is not an idiot. They just have an irrational fear of colored people.

[Spurtacular]

Hate becomes central to some people's identity, and to challenge it makes them psychologically uncomfortable since they're so invested in their narrow point-of-view.

What have I said that is hateful? Don't be mad that I'm not a cuck like you and your cohorts.

[DMC]

Of course he's not an idiot, much like Frosty is not an idiot. They just have an irrational fear of colored people.

Idiots come in all flavors

[Spurtacular]

Of course he's not an idiot, much like Frosty is not an idiot. They just have an irrational fear of colored people.

Possibly (speaking to your analysis on the killer rather than you being triggered by frosty). He did see things in nationalistic / ethnic proportions without taking into account certain modern realities. However, he is not wrong about everything. Willfully bringing in criminal elements into a country is counter intuitive. It should come as no surprise when there are incidents.

[midnightpulp]

Both. Islam subjugates them. That's it's stated mission, too.

This is like a 20th century Nativist saying:

"Both. Catholicism has them worshipping false idols, taking them further away from God, which explains the Irish and Italian Catholic's turpitude."

Again, 9 murders per 100,000 following their wholesale immigration. Let's look at Sweden again. :lol murder rate lower than it was in 1980:

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2017/02/Sweden1-1024x758.jpg

Seems in a vacuum, it's more dangerous to import poor Irish and Italian Catholics than African Muslims.

[Spurtacular]

This is like a 20th century Nativist saying:

"Both. Catholicism has them worshipping false idols, taking them further away from God, which explains the Irish and Italian Catholic's turpitude."

Again, 9 murders per 100,000 following their wholesale immigration. Let's look at Sweden again. :lol murder rate lower than it was in 1980:

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2017/02/Sweden1-1024x758.jpg

Seems in a vacuum, it's more dangerous to import poor Irish and Italian Catholics than African Muslims.

That's not because Muslims are bringing crime below the mean.

[midnightpulp]

You obviously didn't look at the murder rate for Mexico on that wiki link you posted. Yea, Mexico is akin to Islamic countries in terms of being a shit hole.

And what happens when those Luuuuhtinos are reared in a more stable, flourishing country? Oh, looks like they commit crimes at about the same rate as whites. From the conservative Richard Unz on Latino crime rates:

http://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/HispanicCrime-chart3.gif
http://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/HispanicCrime-chart4.gif

http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

[Spurtacular]

The number of Swedes who were victims of crimes such as fraud and sexual offenses jumped to the highest level on record last year.
A survey (https://bra.se/nytt-fran-bra/arkiv/press/2017-11-15-fler-privatpersoner-utsatts-for-brott.html) by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention showed that 15.6 percent of people suffered one or more offences against the person (defined in the survey as assault, threats, sexual offences, robbery, fraud or harassment) last year. That’s up from 13.3 percent in 2015 and the highest number recorded since the annual Swedish Crime Survey started in 2006.



One in six persons in one year. We all know what that shit is all about.

[Winehole23]

Unsubstantiated hyperbole. Settle down Winehole before you have an aneurysm.Not much of a stretch, tbh.

Sanctions on Iraq in the 1990s, two Iraq Wars, the War in Afghanistan, the overthrow of Libya, ongoing drone wars in half a dozen countries.

We've been exporting racist terror for the last 25 years non-stop. We've killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Alt-right intolerance is just the latest installment, promoted at the highest level of the US government and propagandized non-stop by US state media, er, Fox News.

[ElNono]

Possibly (speaking to your analysis on the killer rather than you being triggered by frosty). He did see things in nationalistic / ethnic proportions without taking into account certain modern realities. However, he is not wrong about everything. Willfully bringing in criminal elements into a country is counter intuitive. It should come as no surprise when there are incidents.

Complete nonsense. Your trivial generalization of muslims being largely 'criminal' simply doesn't match reality. Millions of non-violent muslims, not only in America, but around the world. There's absolutely a minority that radicalizes (much like this white guy radicalized), normally out of complete ignorance (lol 72 virgins).

No, there was nothing right on what this guy did, neither in ideology or actions.

[Spurtacular]

And what happens when those Luuuuhtinos are reared in a more stable, flourishing country? Oh, looks like they commit crimes at about the same rate as whites. From the conservative Richard Unz on Latino crime rates:


And I'm not arguing that Latinos are worse or significantly worse than whites at a DNA level. Of course, learned behavior is the biggest factor. Mexico is corrupt for various reasons. Islam is a corruptor by definition. A country seeking out those types is the definition of stupidity.

[FrostKing]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Clicking around, we don't get to a Muslim majority country until Iraq. Facts, they are troubling things.
What's in that Latin American water?

[Spurtacular]

Complete nonsense.

:lol Funny that you'd say so when some of that was pretty much parroting you.

[midnightpulp]

That's not because Muslims are bringing crime below the mean.

Yes, first generation immigrants from poor countries tend to commit more crime. Water is fuckin wet. My point is that I find it funny that the importation of Muslims into Sweden didn't spike crime rates anywhere near the degree when the US imported Irish and Italian Catholic immigrants. So again, in a vacuum, when economic conditions are equal, it seems to be more risky to import European Catholics. I actually don't agree with that, as I don't simplify complex sociological phenomenon down to things like race and religion, just using your shit logic against you to "criticize" a group that might be of your religion and ethnicity. Doesn't feel good, does it?

[midnightpulp]

What's in that Latin American water?

The CIA.

[Spurtacular]

Your trivial generalization of muslims being largely 'criminal'

That's not how I put it. I could possibly make an argument that there are more good muslims than bad muslims. What I have effectively argued though is that Islam is cancer.

[ElNono]

Dogma is perhaps the biggest corruptor there is, tbh... and far from a islam's exclusive... it's actually mind boggling we still have religious wars in the 21st century...

[Winehole23]

4X ST MVP

[Spurtacular]

Dogma is perhaps the biggest corruptor there is, tbh... and far from a islam's exclusive... it's actually mind boggling we still have religious wars in the 21st century...

You really believe this? You should give it a second thought.

Hint: Who benefits the most from wars?

[ElNono]

That's not how I put it. I could possibly make an argument that there are more good muslims than bad muslims. What I have effectively argued though is that Islam is cancer.

Willfully bringing in criminal elements into a country is counter intuitive.

What does that mean? That's a gross generalization you're now trying to backpedal.

The only reason you hate islam is because you're christian or some other religion and you feel threatened with their expansion and religious customs. Period. This is really not rocket science.