New Zealand mosque shooting

[Spurtacular]

He'll have to demonstrate there's hell and heaven, and all that. He's supposedly Jesus Christ, shouldn't be much of a problem, at least according to the fantasy version of him.

By the time he's done that, the benefits of faith will have bypassed you; but sure at some point the rubber has to meet the road if it's true.

[ElNono]

By the time he's done that, the benefits of faith will have bypassed you; but sure at some point the rubber has to meet the road if it's true.

I don't dwell on the alleged benefits/pitfalls of faith. My interest lies on the concrete. We're here for a limited time at any rate, we get to pick and choose how we spend our time (which is also why I don't particularly condone anybody that wants to spend it on faith, they're certainly entitled to do with their time as they please).

[TSA]

I knew you were gonna use that goalpost move. Always using semantics. No one thinks about a crazy ass dad murdering his family when they hear mass shooting. Unfortunately no laws are going to prevent that.


If you are going to throw out mass shootings like the above that are always counted as mass shootings you are going to lose the majority of recorded mass shootings.

[Winehole23]

Lol TSA complaining about cherry picking.

[midnightpulp]

Bad people do bad things. They are not going to go away no matter how many laws you write down on paper. Cruz was exceptional because all the signs were there, but the school working with the police department decided not to press charges on previous incidents so they would receive more money. It's pretty simple stuff once you do a little digging past the MSM spin.

But gun advocates don't want to play ball on ANY "reasonable" gun control proposals. What's wrong with imposing a 22 year old age limit for gun purchases (why not 21? I think matching the age limit to the "average" age a person graduates from college is sensible, since college is a rather stressful time in a person's life, and stress and firearms don't mix particularly well)? 18 year olds are still children. We simply picked that name to define "adult" because that's when we graduate high school. Science doesn't support 18 year old=adulthood, as the brain is still developing at that age. And yes, 18 year olds shouldn't be serving in the military, either. Or what's wrong with a tiered licensing structure (i.e. rifles with higher capacity magazines require more licensing)?

[BD24]

If you are going to throw out mass shootings like the above that are always counted as mass shootings you are going to lose the majority of recorded mass shootings.
How many shootings in the last 4 years in the US fit the bill for what I described? The public shooting of many people?

I don't know the number off the of my head, but would guess it is 5 or higher. If you want to include some family shooting go ahead, but for the family shootings it doesn't matter if the guy has a handgun or semi auto rifle. For the public shootings on the other hand that makes a significant difference.

[Chris]

But gun advocates don't want to play ball on ANY "reasonable" gun control proposals. What's wrong with imposing a 22 year old age limit for gun purchases (why not 21? I think matching the age limit to the "average" age a person graduates from college is sensible, since college is a rather stressful time in a person's life, and stress and firearms don't mix particularly well)? 18 year olds are still children. We simply picked that name to define "adult" because that's when we graduate high school. Science doesn't support 18 year old=adulthood, as the brain is still developing at that age. And yes, 18 year olds shouldn't be serving in the military, either. Or what's wrong with a tiered licensing structure (i.e. rifles with higher capacity magazines require more licensing)?

I think you answered your own question. Telling a man, or woman, that you can go die overseas for your country, but you are unable to protect yourself or your family because of an arbitrary age requirement is asinine. The reason "gun advocates" don't want to play ball with "gun proposals" is because they can never get a definite answer on where you will draw the line. Bump stocks? Rifles? Are we going to back to single shot muskets so Jenny from the block can feel safe at night? Where do the gun proposals end?

[Spurtacular]

I don't dwell on the alleged benefits/pitfalls of faith. My interest lies on the concrete. We're here for a limited time at any rate, we get to pick and choose how we spend our time (which is also why I don't particularly condone anybody that wants to spend it on faith, they're certainly entitled to do with their time as they please).

I respect your right to conduct your life and your agency to believe anything you want to believe or not believe. I was just telling you why and how I think your dismissal of faith is shortsighted and not as rational as you believe it to be.

[midnightpulp]

Chicago even at these lows isn’t a success story regardimg gun control. A fat fuck who weighed 700 pounds and lost 150 pounds is still a fat fuck.

I don’t know if you’ll ever be able to stop a Nicolas Cruz from buying an AR-15. He didn’t have any felonies on his record to get denied during a background check. His mental health problems and prior violence don’t show up on the background check, should they? That’s up for debate and I think both sides of that one have equally valid points. I do think the NICS system needs to be improved a great deal.

I agree that reducing rather complex sociological phenomena down to single solutions is a fool's errand. Our relatively free access to guns plays only one part in our higher murder rates relative to the rest of the developed world. Strong gun control advocates (not calling out anyone here) believe our collective murder rate would fall to Australian levels if we enacted similarly strict gun control. I don't believe that. I do believe that stricter gun control (and by no means would this stricter gun control be overarching, just a bit more comprehensive, like raising the minimum age and implementing something like a tier licensing structure) would reduce the frequency of Columbine-style mass shootings, however.

[TSA]

But gun advocates don't want to play ball on ANY "reasonable" gun control proposals. What's wrong with imposing a 22 year old age limit for gun purchases (why not 21? I think matching the age limit to the "average" age a person graduates from college is sensible, since college is a rather stressful time in a person's life, and stress and firearms don't mix particularly well)? 18 year olds are still children. We simply picked that name to define "adult" because that's when we graduate high school. Science doesn't support 18 year old=adulthood, as the brain is still developing at that age. And yes, 18 year olds shouldn't be serving in the military, either. Or what's wrong with a tiered licensing structure (i.e. rifles with higher capacity magazines require more licensing)?

I’d have no problem with the age being moved to 21 as long as military members at 18 could still purchase, or move military age up to 18. Gun advocates don’t want to play ball because they don’t get to play ball. Has there been any sort of compromise or have California gun owners just repeatedly taken in the ass? Your age limit idea is reasonable, and that’s why I can support it. Most gun laws I have to deal with here are not reasonable, they are poorly thought out and have no measurable affect on what they are intended to do. I won’t post any more pictures of my guns online, and I don’t even feel comfortable discussing guns online anymore being that I still live in California and with all the new laws that were passed. Millions of people became automatic felons over night, I bet half don’t even know it. That’s not reasonable.

[TSA]

I think you answered your own question. Telling a man, or woman, that you can go die overseas for your country, but you are unable to protect yourself or your family because of an arbitrary age requirement is asinine. The reason "gun advocates" don't want to play ball with "gun proposals" is because they can never get a definite answer on where you will draw the line. Bump stocks? Rifles? Are we going to back to single shot muskets so Jenny from the block can feel safe at night? Where do the gun proposals end?


They don’t end.

[TSA]

I agree that reducing rather complex sociological phenomena down to single solutions is a fool's errand. Our relatively free access to guns plays only one part in our higher murder rates relative to the rest of the developed world. Strong gun control advocates (not calling out anyone here) believe our collective murder rate would fall to Australian levels if we enacted similarly strict gun control. I don't believe that. I do believe that stricter gun control (and by no means would this stricter gun control be overarching, just a bit more comprehensive, like raising the minimum age and implementing something like a tier licensing structure) would reduce the frequency of Columbine-style mass shootings, however.

If you want to see a reduction in Columbine style mass shootings we’d need full cooperation from the media to not sensationalize and instead report facts alone and then go dark. I think social media is another huge factor in the increased frequency we are seeing.

[midnightpulp]

I think you answered your own question. Telling a man, or woman, that you can go die overseas for your country, but you are unable to protect yourself or your family because of an arbitrary age requirement is asinine. The reason "gun advocates" don't want to play ball with "gun proposals" is because they can never get a definite answer on where you will draw the line. Bump stocks? Rifles? Are we going to back to single shot muskets so Jenny from the block can feel safe at night? Where do the gun proposals end?

We also tell them they can't drink beer or gamble legally. But as I said, the 18 year old age minimum for military service is nonsensical. Again, 18 year olds are still children. I have a clear line.

- 22 minimum age for any firearm purchase.
- Sales prohibited to people with a history of mental health problems (already on the books, actually, but doesn't seem to be effectively enforced).
- Required gun safety course for your C-level license (which allows you to purchase basic shotguns, single shot rifles, and revolvers).
- Owner needs to prove himself as a responsible C-level licensee for a year before he's allowed to pursue a B-level license, which allows purchases of semi-automatic handguns.
- Repeat process for pursuit of A-level license (allowing purchases of higher capacity semi-automatic rifles).

As you can see, obtainment of a C-level license is rather "easy," and grants you access to all the firearms you need to defend yourself and family.

[redzero]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D11YnA8X4AAqVNi?format=jpg&name=large

:lol the New Zealand police want the personal information of people who talked about the video? What a retarded fucking country.

[midnightpulp]

I’d have no problem with the age being moved to 21 as long as military members at 18 could still purchase, or move military age up to 18. Gun advocates don’t want to play ball because they don’t get to play ball. Has there been any sort of compromise or have California gun owners just repeatedly taken in the ass? Your age limit idea is reasonable, and that’s why I can support it. Most gun laws I have to deal with here are not reasonable, they are poorly thought out and have no measurable affect on what they are intended to do. I won’t post any more pictures of my guns online, and I don’t even feel comfortable discussing guns online anymore being that I still live in California and with all the new laws that were passed. Millions of people became automatic felons over night, I bet half don’t even know it. That’s not reasonable.

I've debated alarmist gun-grabbers, as well. I'm only speaking for what I think are reasonable gun laws and not promoting the general liberal mentality on gun control, which would resemble that of the UK or Australia.

[midnightpulp]

Oh, and related to my tiered license structure for firearms, I don't think a 16 year old should be able to own a high performance sports car right after stepping out of the DMV with their newly printed license. Same logic. Prove you're a competent driver for a year or two driving around a Camry, then you can step up and get your higher level license allowing for legal operation of a sports car.

I also don't want to hear "Freedumbs" nonsense, since we prohibit more innocuous things than preventing 16 year olds from driving sportscars. I can't place a sports bet nor play poker online "legally."

[ElNono]

I respect your right to conduct your life and your agency to believe anything you want to believe or not believe. I was just telling you why and how I think your dismissal of faith is shortsighted and not as rational as you believe it to be.

Faith being irrational (which, as I already explained, is not a bad thing), is not a matter of opinion. My choice not to dwell on faith certainly is. I also don't dismiss faith at large either, I do think it's demonstrably true that in certain contexts it becomes dangerous, mostly because of the fanatical aspects of it. This would be pretty much rehashing the conversation we had last night on the subject.

[DMC]

I knew you were gonna use that goalpost move. Always using semantics. No one thinks about a crazy ass dad murdering his family when they hear mass shooting. Unfortunately no laws are going to prevent that.

What these laws are meant to prevent is large shootings in public places. They have done just that in Australia.

The New York Times thinks that. They're the one that called it a mass shooting.

No laws are going to prevent people from killing other people. It's happened even before guns were invented. Does it matter that it was his family? Does he have some exclusive right to kill his own family?

[TSA]

We also tell them they can't drink beer or gamble legally. But as I said, the 18 year old age minimum for military service is nonsensical. Again, 18 year olds are still children. I have a clear line.

- 22 minimum age for any firearm purchase.
- Sales prohibited to people with a history of mental health problems (already on the books, actually, but doesn't seem to be effectively enforced).
- Required gun safety course for your C-level license (which allows you to purchase basic shotguns, single shot rifles, and revolvers).
- Owner needs to prove himself as a responsible C-level licensee for a year before he's allowed to pursue a B-level license, which allows purchases of semi-automatic handguns.
- Repeat process for pursuit of A-level license (allowing purchases of higher capacity semi-automatic rifles).

As you can see, obtainment of a C-level license is rather "easy," and grants you access to all the firearms you need to defend yourself and family.

I understand the thinking behind your tiered system, but your C-level license doesn’t provide anything for my wife to protect herself and my son. Shotgun too much kick, penetration through walls, pump action. Single shot rifle? Lol. Revolvers with stopping power also have too much kick, and only six shots. An AR-15 is far and away the best platform for a female to defend herself in a home invasion. Minimal kick, minimal wall penetration, lightweight, 20-30 rounds, flashlight to ID intruder.

[DMC]

Oh, and related to my tiered license structure for firearms, I don't think a 16 year old should be able to own a high performance sports car right after stepping out of the DMV with their newly printed license. Same logic. Prove you're a competent driver for a year or two driving around a Camry, then you can step up and get your higher level license allowing for legal operation of a sports car.

I also don't want to hear "Freedumbs" nonsense, since we prohibit more innocuous things than preventing 16 year olds from driving sportscars. I can't place a sports bet nor play poker online "legally."

The car industry would just alter one small feature to get by the legal verbiage.

[Winehole23]

"An AR-15 is far and away the best platform for a female to defend herself in a home invasion"

[Winehole23]

One wonders why more women don't make that choice.

Maybe they don't have a wise man like TSA to tell them what to do.

[DMC]

Finally saw that video...

what a piece of shit.

One barbaric thing we could do for these types of killers -

is allow

TORTURE

and film it.

It would sure send a message to any of these mass murderers.

A good slow torture lasting weeks - until death.

But you couldn't wait to see the video huh?

[DMC]

I'm fine with saying people are not adults until they get 21. That means they can't vote either.

[DMC]

One wonders why more women don't make that choice.

Maybe they don't have a wise man like TSA to tell them what to do.

Or wiseass like you to comment on it.

You're providing very helpful insight please continue.

[DMC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D11YnA8X4AAqVNi?format=jpg&name=large

:lol the New Zealand police want the personal information of people who talked about the video? What a retarded fucking country.

Sounds like a good start to me. They should comb over the social media accounts of everyone who downloaded and watched it.

[Winehole23]

DMC: Sorry you're feeling starved for insight. Sounds like a personal problem.

[DMC]

DMC: Sorry you're feeling starved for insight. Sounds like a personal problem.

Please continue the butthurt mass postings. They're entertaining.

[Winehole23]

How amusing that you think you can intuit my feelings.

You're so empathetic.

[midnightpulp]

I understand the thinking behind your tiered system, but your C-level license doesn’t provide anything for my wife to protect herself and my son. Shotgun too much kick, penetration through walls, pump action. Single shot rifle? Lol. Revolvers with stopping power also have too much kick, and only six shots. An AR-15 is far and away the best platform for a female to defend herself in a home invasion. Minimal kick, minimal wall penetration, lightweight, 20-30 rounds, flashlight to ID intruder.

I specified single shot rifles in consideration of hunters. Anyhow, I guess I'm behind the times and never had more than a shotty and revolver around the house, so I'm not up-to-date on the efficacy of the different firearm platforms per home/personal defense, but I do agree that women being at a physical disadvantage to any potential male threat need access to the most effective options. This might be counter-intuitive, but maybe women should have freer movement up the tier since women are, per scientific fact, considerably less violent than men. Yes, I guess a mass shooter can always find a female accomplice to purchase the weapons for him, but I doubt Nicholas Cruz's mother would've agreed to buy him an AR-15. Furthermore, mass shooters tend to be of the disgruntled, loner "incel" variety anyway :lol

Some might see my proposal as "sexism," though. I simply see it as giving the more responsible party in this context (prone to violence) freer access.

[FrostKing]

which has killed more Westerners, white supremacy or ISIS?
Blacks

[TSA]

One wonders why more women don't make that choice.

Maybe they don't have a wise man like TSA to tell them what to do.

Plenty of women make that choice. The large majority of women I see shooting at various ranges are using the AR-15 platform. Can you point me to a better firearm for women? Must be lightweight, light recoil, 10+ rounds, low wall penetration yet still have stopping power. Go.

[TSA]

I specified single shot rifles in consideration of hunters. Anyhow, I guess I'm behind the times and never had more than a shotty and revolver around the house, so I'm not up-to-date on the efficacy of the different firearm platforms per home/personal defense, but I do agree that women being at a physical disadvantage to any potential male threat need access to the most effective options. This might be counter-intuitive, but maybe women should have freer movement up the tier since women are, per scientific fact, considerably less violent than men. Yes, I guess a mass shooter can always find a female accomplice to purchase the weapons for him, but I doubt Nicholas Cruz's mother would've agreed to buy him an AR-15. Furthermore, mass shooters tend to be of the disgruntled, loner "incel" variety anyway :lol

Some might see my proposal as "sexism," though. I simply see it as giving the more responsible party in this context (prone to violence) freer access.

Under your system I’d just identify as female and jump in line with the rest at the top tier.

[Winehole23]

Why low wall penetration?

Just curious. Seems a long rifle would be unwieldy at close quarters, say, if someone came while the occupant was sleeping.

[midnightpulp]

Under your system I’d just identify as female and jump in line with the rest at the top tier.

:lol That wouldn't work with me since I don't subscribe to that 37 genders nonsense. You got a cock and balls, you're male. Sure, identify as non-binary or whatever all you want for personal reasons, just don't expect societal perks for such (i.e. a self-identified "female" getting to play women's sports or use women's restrooms). Unfortunately, the left has lost its mind in that regard. Cue story of those "female" sprinters obliterating their opponents.

[TSA]

Why low wall penetration?

Just curious. Seems a long rifle would be unwieldy at close quarters, say, if someone came while the occupant was sleeping.

family members in other rooms, neighbors.

Unless you sleep with one eye open and a gun under your pillow you’re pretty fucked at that point in the situation you described.

[Winehole23]

Blacks
Duh, of course that's what you say.

That wasn't the question, category is terroristic violence.

White power belongs in the conversation.

[Winehole23]

family members in other rooms, neighbors.

Unless you sleep with one eye open and a gun under your pillow you’re pretty fucked at that point in the situation you described.ok, what's the scenario you have in mind?

[TSA]

:lol That wouldn't work with me since I don't subscribe to that 37 genders nonsense. You got a cock and balls, you're male. Sure, identify as non-binary or whatever all you want for personal reasons, just don't expect societal perks for such (i.e. a self-identified "female" getting to play women's sports or use women's restrooms). Unfortunately, the left has lost its mind in that regard. Cue story of those "female" sprinters obliterating their opponents.

In order to get your tier system passed you’d have to side with the only party that would try and push it through, which means you’d have to accept me for who I identified as. Gun owners are good at work arounds and we’d fully exploit :lol

[Winehole23]

Shooting someone outside the house?

Wouldn't a semi-automatic rifle endanger the neighbors?

[TSA]

Shooting someone outside the house?

Wouldn't a semi-automatic rifle endanger the neighbors?

Not sure shooting some one outside the house is a good idea in 45 of 50 states. I was talking about if a stray bullet made it through your own interior wall and into your neighbors house. Small calibers out of an AR-15 are much less likely to do that.

[Winehole23]

Sounds reasonable.

Why not a shotgun?

[TSA]

Sounds reasonable.

Why not a shotgun?

Birdshot # with actual stopping power will penetrate walls like crazy. Slugs same thing. And also the whole recoil thing if we are still talking females.

[midnightpulp]

Sounds reasonable.

Why not a shotgun?

A 12 gauge is probably putting a slight woman or kid on his ass. If they don't make the first shot count, they're fucked.

[TSA]

I’m currently building a California legal rifle that would work well for my wife if ever needed. If I remember I’ll post some pics of that when it’s complete and discuss what makes it legal and how asinine the gun laws are here where I live.

[Winehole23]

Sounds like the AR-15 is good only if you're aware someone is breaking in.

Are you sure that's the most versatile option? Far and away?

[TSA]

Sounds like the AR-15 is good only if you're aware someone is breaking in.

Are you sure that's the most versatile option? Far and away?

If you’re not aware there is an intruder our entire conversation has been pointless.

[TSA]

I’m going to say 100% of people who shoot intruders knew there was an intruder.

[apalisoc_9]

Well this thread has turned into gun debate, again.

Never change spurstalk.

[Winehole23]

Well this thread has turned into gun debate, again.

Never change spurstalk.I tried to include survivors and white power extremism.

Didn't work so well, except for getting white power sympathizers to expose themselves, if only episodically, so there is that.

[midnightpulp]

Well this thread has turned into gun debate, again.

Never change spurstalk.

Gun debate will remain a core issue in any potential solution going forward to curb these attacks. If we want to stop these events, it's going to take a multi-prong approach that considers mental heath treatment, gun control, media reportage (I agree infamy is a primary motivator for these killers. TSA is right that the media should just report the facts and go dark), examination of extremist communities that seem to incubate these monsters, and so forth.

[Winehole23]

Gun debate will remain a core issue in any potential solution going forward to curb these attacks. If we want to stop these events, it's going to take a multi-prong approach that considers mental heath treatment, gun control, media reportage (I agree infamy is a primary motivator for these killers. TSA is right that the media should just report the facts and go dark), examination of extremist communities that seem to incubate these monsters, and so forth.Actually, the 2009 backlash caused Obama to ditch LE scrutiny of white power formations.

How does failing to scrutinize them seem to be working out so far?

[TSA]

Gun debate will remain a core issue in any potential solution going forward to curb these attacks. If we want to stop these events, it's going to take a multi-prong approach that considers mental heath treatment, gun control, media reportage (I agree infamy is a primary motivator for these killers. TSA is right that the media should just report the facts and go dark), examination of extremist communities that seem to incubate these monsters, and so forth.

Here’s how I’ve got the causes in the spike ranked

1. untreated mental health
2. social media
3. mainstream media
4. access to guns

[boutons_deux]

All y'all Muslim haters are pleased that 50 Muslims are dead by one of your fellow haters

The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim, right?.

But you're too chickenshit PC to admit, even here anonymously

[Winehole23]

Here’s how I’ve got the causes in the spike ranked

1. untreated mental health
2. social media
3. mainstream media
4. access to gunsToo bad we've got cops instead of mental health professionals and social workers doing triage on mental patients.

Didn't used to be the case.

[midnightpulp]

Actually, the 2009 backlash caused Obama to ditch LE scrutiny of white power formations.

How does failing to scrutinize them seem to be working out so far?

You mean LE no longer employs comprehensive surveillance of these groups, like say, compared to the Mafia?

[Avant]

Talked to a Muslim today from Syria, he owns a liquor store. He gives me a deal on AA.

Avant....nice day today, huh?
Owner....nice.
Avant....what's it like in Syria?
Owner....like here, it depends on where in Syria.
Avant....what did you think of that New Zealand mess?
Owner....it will get worst, and we brought it on ourselves, those of us not involved in radical Islam doing nothing. We need to have a voice in all this and we don't. We are too quiet.

I can understand how anyone who knows the Quran could think......they are out to rid the world of non Islam........that really is what the Quran is all about. But how many really know what Islam is really all about?

The word....PUNISH....has got to be there 1000 times.

[Winehole23]

You mean LE no longer employs comprehensive surveillance of these groups, like say, compared to the Mafia?I'll try to dig up the links, but in 2009 the right wing backlash chased Obama off the ball. Can't speak for the states, but the DHS operation got cashiered.

[Winehole23]

Here's the relevant ST thread:

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122707

[midnightpulp]

Talked to a Muslim today from Syria, he owns a liquor store. He gives me a deal on AA.

Avant....nice day today, huh?
Owner....nice.
Avant....what's it like in Syria?
Owner....like here, it depends on where in Syria.
Avant....what did you think of that New Zealand mess?
Owner....it will get worst, and we brought it on ourselves, those of us not involved in radical Islam doing nothing. We need to have a voice in all this and we don't. We are too quiet.

He shouldn't have guilt by association. Nor I'm sure what the non-violent Islamic community can do to address radical Islam? It's like saying your garden variety American Christian Republican needs to do something about Right Wing terrorism. This is as much a psychological problem as anything else. These are psychopaths looking for an excuse to kill, and they found their cause in some extremist ideology, whether that be right wing extremism, leftist extremism, religious extremism.

[Winehole23]

Here's the DHS report that caused the backlash:

https://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

[Winehole23]

and today, not a single person at DHS is dedicated solely to right-wing extremism, Johnson tells The Daily.https://theweek.com/speedreads/812509/not-single-homeland-security-official-dedicated-monitoring-rightwing-extremism-anymore

[Winehole23]

https://www.wired.com/2012/08/dhs/

[Pavlov]

I'm going to guess DMC and TSA want to do absolutely nothing about gun violence unless it has something to do with hassling nonwhites.

[TSA]

^^^^
shitty take. should have taken more time off from posting.

[Winehole23]

"Imprecise phraseology" doomed it. Daryl Johnson wasn't a partisan, and in fact was not focused on right wing extremism exclusively or even predominantly, but included it in the panoply of domestic threats.

Too much for snowflake Republicans, alas.

[Pavlov]

^^^^
shitty take. should have taken more time off from posting.What did you propose this time, then? I remember after all the schoolchildren were murdered you didn't give much of a shit.

[Winehole23]

I'm going to guess DMC and TSA want to do absolutely nothing about gun violence unless it has something to do with hassling nonwhites.To be fair, on the previous page TSA included "access to guns" on the list of factors associated with the spike in mass shootings.

[Winehole23]

Here's the DHS report that caused the backlash:

https://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdfGWB ordered the report, but by the time it was issued, POTUS was black and therefore the report was not to be trusted.

[Pavlov]

To be fair, on the previous page TSA included "access to guns" on the list of factors associated with the spike in mass shootings.https://media.giphy.com/media/8PBfNDoySmsRc49P4F/giphy.gif

[Winehole23]

well, he did

[FrostKing]

https://media.giphy.com/media/8PBfNDoySmsRc49P4F/giphy.gif
She had been drinking

[Winehole23]

She had been drinkingNot illegal, not unethical, not even unstatesmanlike.

[FrostKing]

Not illegal, not unethical, not even unstatesmanlike.
If I were 20 years older, she'd give me a stiffy

[Winehole23]

If I were 20 years older, she'd give me a stiffyTMI, dude

[ElNono]

If I were 20 years older, she'd give me a stiffy

I thought she was 92? You like them on the older side? Nothing wrong with that, tbh

[Spurs Homer]

But you couldn't wait to see the video huh?

I waited 3 days -

have to see the entirety and the reality of human behavior.

I believe that the media should show every killing - and should show closeups of a human body after it is destroyed by metal tearing flesh to shreds. They should show the gory aftermath until idiots who play video games and shoot people realize the reality is not comparable to a video game where you score points.

I also think the media should show the bodies being cut open in the morgue so that racists like you can see the way every human body is identical once you go past the skin tone.

[Splits]

Glad to hear homicides are on the decline, but it’s still a fucking war zone. A person shot every 5 mins 22 sec, fuck that.

https://heyjackass.com

lol every 5 minutes

[pgardn]

Belief in Christ will always come down to faith, even if he showed up and started performing supernatural miracles like it was going out of style, because you'd have skeptics claiming it's the work of an advanced alien civilization deceiving us, skeptical religious people claiming it's really Satan deceiving us, etc, etc.

Believing in anything requires faith.

What faith is based on is important.
My contention is not to belittle science as a way to have a more rational faith based belief.
My point is that we (flawed if we think we can be perfectly rational) invented science and science is a very powerful tool because can be predictive.
But it is limited in scope and therefore it makes perfect sense to me that people will always rely on metaphysical and supernatural explanations. Especially if they really understand how science works. IMO science raises more questions than it answers.

The above apparently is not a pleasant thought for people who are concerned with zealous irrational religious types.
Especially religious types, who when asked questions about their God, pretend like they understand their God perfectly and make their own wild decrees. Those of us who live in the US, and have been subjected to some of the wilder protestant types, are very aware of what people can do with Bible verses. Make shit up. Instead of a simple I don’t know.

This should not stop us from exploring what science can and cannot do.

And it’s obvious to me that people who do have religious inclinations adjust their believe system based on what current
Scientific explanations have to say.

[pgardn]

I would add that at this point in time in the US some conservatives have clearly taken the pseudo-Darwinian view that I would summarize as

Shit on.
Or be shit upon.

[TSA]

I waited 3 days -

have to see the entirety and the reality of human behavior.

I believe that the media should show every killing - and should show closeups of a human body after it is destroyed by metal tearing flesh to shreds. They should show the gory aftermath until idiots who play video games and shoot people realize the reality is not comparable to a video game where you score points.

I also think the media should show the bodies being cut open in the morgue so that racists like you can see the way every human body is identical once you go past the skin tone.

Your way of thinking would only increase mass shootings. You’re quite the fucking retard.

[Spurs Homer]

Your way of thinking would only increase mass shootings. You’re quite the fucking retard.

quite the opposite

when the public sees with their own eyes
they will finally do something to rid the nation of these assault weapons
which no one needs

you are nothing but a russian traitor sympathizer

of course you want this country destroyed from within

[clambake]

quite the opposite

when the public sees with their own eyes
they will finally do something to rid the nation of these assault weapons
which no one needs

you are nothing but a russian traitor sympathizer

of course you want this country destroyed from within

do you want to take my guns? serious question

[Spurs Homer]

do you want to take my guns? serious question

it would make sense to have a limit of one or two handguns

and

annual testing, stringent background checks,
similar to japans laws

[Chris]

Annual testing :lol Orwell Homer :lol

[clambake]

it would make sense to have a limit of one or two handguns

and

annual testing, stringent background checks,
similar to japans laws
you want me to go up against an ar-15 with a hand gun?

[Spurs Homer]

you want me to go up against an ar-15 with a hand gun?

you want more innocent victims/children mowed down?

deal with it

i need nothing more than a small handgun

[pgardn]

you want me to go up against an ar-15 with a hand gun?

So I’ll go up against your A.R. 15 with a concussion grenade and nerve gas.

It’s too easy for one person to kill many in a very short time span.
And I’m not talking fat boy Kim with a nuclear weapon.
It’s getting pretty ridiculous but I’m not sure what to do about it.

I think “even” conservatives can understand my 2nd sentence.

[Ghazi]

Talked to a Muslim today from Syria, he owns a liquor store. He gives me a deal on AA.

Avant....nice day today, huh?
Owner....nice.
Avant....what's it like in Syria?
Owner....like here, it depends on where in Syria.
Avant....what did you think of that New Zealand mess?
Owner....it will get worst, and we brought it on ourselves, those of us not involved in radical Islam doing nothing. We need to have a voice in all this and we don't. We are too quiet.

I can understand how anyone who knows the Quran could think......they are out to rid the world of non Islam........that really is what the Quran is all about. But how many really know what Islam is really all about?

The word....PUNISH....has got to be there 1000 times.
are we overlooking Avantes imaginary fake conversation wtf :lol

[Ghazi]

Of course Avante ran into a Muslim who thinks its Islams fault that some incel shot up 2 mosques... of fucking course

[Trill Clinton]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1107757871477985280?s=19

[DMC]

Of course Avante ran into a Muslim who thinks its Islams fault that some incel shot up 2 mosques... of fucking course

The pied pedophile of pretentiousness

You have to wonder if he was playing the harmonica while he was in that store.

[Th'Pusher]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/world/australia/mass-shooting.html

Hollis Brown

[DMC]

DMC: Sorry you're feeling starved for insight. Sounds like a personal problem.


How amusing that you think you can intuit my feelings.

You're so empathetic.

:lol

[Winehole23]

it's nice to be noticed

[koriwhat]

Cuck.

Faggots who live of their babymamas have no say.

Lmao

[Ghazi]

Left feels like they tried to exploit this a little to make Zteump look bad, throwing around white supremacy over and over only as a buzzword to incite anger against Trump. Example is Colberts monologue of 2 minute intro condolences followed by 8 minutes of his usual Trump bashing. Still, the right looks ridiculous because their bigotry against the Sublime Religion demands it. David Wood says stuff like this happens because the media doesnt allow peaceful criticism of Islam :lol ... Trump wouldnt mention the Sublime Religion by name... the dude from New Zealand who for egged etc

[apalisoc_9]

It is stupid how extreme of both parties try to use these events as political agendas.

Its unfortunate for all victims.

[Winehole23]

throwing around white supremacy over and over only as a buzzword to incite anger against Trump.the shooter threw it around some in his manifesto.

he also singled out Trump.

[boutons_deux]

It is stupid how extreme of both parties try to use these events as political agendas.

Terrorist, racist, religious murder is a POLITICAL event.

Trash and his AmeriKKKa encourage, enable, condone "both sides", and set the example for like-minded assholes across the planet.

For Trash supporters, the only good Muslim/Jew/black/brown/etc is a dead Muslim/Jew/black/brown/etc

50 dead Muslims? Trash and his AmeriKKKa give a standing ovation.

[koriwhat]

wow

context matters... we know it doesn't matter to you or other dumbass libs though.

[koriwhat]

Terrorist, racist, religious murder is a POLITICAL event.

Trash and his AmeriKKKa encourage, enable, condone "both sides", and set the example for like-minded assholes across the planet.

For Trash supporters, the only good Muslim/Jew/black/brown/etc is a dead Muslim/Jew/black/brown/etc

50 dead Muslims? Trash and his AmeriKKKa give a standing ovation.

you're out of your fucking mind. the crazy cat lady strikes again!

[koriwhat]

the shooter threw it around some in his manifesto.

he also singled out Trump.

wgaf what some dude in NZ has to say about the great USA? really, fuck the dude!

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Oil_Guns_Merica/status/1108040560378548225

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/FuctupMike/status/1107833641105874945

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/FuctupMike/status/1107833641105874945

:lmao Another conspiracy theory obviously.

[Chris]

:lmao Another conspiracy theory obviously.

YwxnWi3mn6o

[Winehole23]

wgaf what some dude in NZ has to say about the great USA? really, fuck the dude!I agree, fuck that guy and his twisted worldview.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/FuctupMike/status/1107833641105874945

The fuck was that? :lol

[Chris]

The fuck was that? :lol

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FVUsAO76 fbKiXe%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/raneemayoub/status/1107832052957609984?s=20

Well that's not very tolerant and accepting of them. Someone should remind these bigots that diversity is our strength.

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/raneemayoub/status/1107832052957609984?s=20

Well that's not very tolerant and accepting of them. Someone should remind these bigots that diversity is our strength.

Oh great.
HS kids again to teach us a lesson.

Folks
This is an example of how badly Trump supporters are treated.
This kind of thing happens 3 million times a day.
Same as the votes Trump is trying to find.

Coincedence?
DAAA DAHHHHHH

Let the sleuthing begin.

[boutons_deux]

"diversity is our strength."

... says a racist! :lol

[Winehole23]

:lmao Another conspiracy theory obviously.She gave birth last June.

[Spurs Homer]

that MAGA wearing racist piece of shit =

MAGA hat is the new Klan hood

[FrostKing]

that MAGA wearing racist piece of shit =

MAGA hat is the new Klan hood
DEUS VULT

[koriwhat]

that MAGA wearing racist piece of shit =

MAGA hat is the new Klan hood

scared by a red hat... lmao but yall love red you fuckng commies.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1108562224514326528?s=20

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1108562224514326528?s=20

https://twitter.com/KatiePavlich/status/1108755226050347009?s=20

"Nobody wants to take away your guns."

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1108724480145264640?s=20

Add blocking websites to the actions of the authoritarians.

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1108724480145264640?s=20

Add blocking websites to the actions of the authoritarians.

lol while donning hijabs... what a bunch of capitulating retards.

[Nathan89]

NZ is just another blueprint country for Dems tbh. Big government making swift and decisive action to oppress citizens.

"Muh constitution is outdated."

[koriwhat]

NZ is just another blueprint country for Dems tbh. Big government making swift and decisive action to oppress citizens.

"Muh constitution is outdated."

bunch of pussies is what they are tbh

[midnightpulp]

I've never been enamored with Bernie. But always the clever politician, as they all are, he generalized "assault weapons." This leaves him a bailout when he'll no doubt get pressed about it. "No, no. I don't want to ban semi-automatic rifles. I said "assault weapons," didn't I? I mean firearms like Uzis, AK47s, and such." I'm not endorsing his politico-speak, but he didn't specify type of firearm for a reason.

[Nathan89]

lol while donning hijabs... what a bunch of capitulating retards.

Sounds like another victory for feminists.

[Nathan89]

So his bail out is to talk about guns that are basically already banned. Surely the media will press that nonsense.

[midnightpulp]

NZ is just another blueprint country for Dems tbh. Big government making swift and decisive action to oppress citizens.

"Muh constitution is outdated."

Republicans have done more of that over the past two decades than Dems.

- Patriot Act (an unprecedented policy of trampling on citizen's rights. You know that recent meme of the kid basically getting molested by airport security? Thank the Patriot Act).
- Iraq War
- Corporate bailouts

[Spurminator]

NZ is just another blueprint country for Dems tbh. Big government making swift and decisive action to oppress citizens.

"Muh constitution is outdated."

And what a nightmarish clusterfuck of a country New Zealand is...

[Nathan89]

And what a nightmarish clusterfuck of a country New Zealand is...

Early days. The foundation is being solidified.

But yes a country arresting people for sharing a video or banning sites is terrifying. The UK arresting people for jokes online is terrifying. But of course we should ignore oppressive government actions until the overall feeling about a country meets your arbitrary standard of clusterfuck.

[Spurminator]

Early days. The foundation is being solidified.

Always very convenient to *predict* a country is headed towards clusterfuckery when you can't show that it's actually a clusterfuck.


But yes a country arresting people for sharing a video or banning sites is terrifying. The UK arresting people for jokes online is terrifying. But of course we should ignore oppressive government actions until the overall feeling about a country meets your arbitrary standard of clusterfuck.

Those things are bad.

Terrifying? Not really. You're still in control of what you post online, so unless you have some kind of internet tourettes syndrome where you can't control your racism, you probably have nothing to worry about.

Terrifying is citizens getting deported, and police killing the unarmed without repercussions. That's terrifying. You'll downplay those things, of course. You don't have to worry about it happening to you, and in fact, you blame the victims. Naturally someone like you is going to be more afraid of being arrested for posting a racist rant than you're afraid of being shot by a police officer during a routine traffic stop. That's white privilege (trigger warning!)

[Spurminator]

And yet, despite all of this, there's no bigger scaredy pussy on this site than you, Nathan. You've managed to somehow turn your white conservativeness into oppression. It's a weird fantasy, but I suppose people like being whipped during sex too.

[spurraider21]

Terrifying? Not really. You're still in control of what you post online, so unless you have some kind of internet tourettes syndrome where you can't control your racism, you probably have nothing to worry about.
well this is awkward...


Mexicans are stealing. I didn't expect that.

[SpursforSix]

LOL at comparing the U.S. to New Zealand.

[Chris]

Terrifying is citizens getting deported

Citizens don't get deported you dumb fuck.

[Nathan89]

Always very convenient to *predict* a country is headed towards clusterfuckery when you can't show that it's actually a clusterfuck.



Those things are bad.

Terrifying? Not really. You're still in control of what you post online, so unless you have some kind of internet tourettes syndrome where you can't control your racism, you probably have nothing to worry about.

Terrifying is citizens getting deported, and police killing the unarmed without repercussions. That's terrifying. You'll downplay those things, of course. You don't have to worry about it happening to you, and in fact, you blame the victims. Naturally someone like you is going to be more afraid of being arrested for posting a racist rant than you're afraid of being shot by a police officer during a routine traffic stop. That's white privilege (trigger warning!)

Yeah, big government infringing on free speech is far more terrifying than isolated incidents that nobody suppprts. Incidents which are statistically debatable in relevance. Also thanks for tying free speech to racism.

"Terrifying? Not really. You're still in control of what you post online, so unless you have some kind of internet tourettes syndrome where you can't control your racism, you probably have nothing to worry about."

The fuck is wrong with you? Infringing on free speech doesn't become less terrifying because you are capable following the arbitrary rules that government has set for you.

[Nathan89]

Citizens don't get deported you dumb fuck.

But that would be terrifying. So he has a good point.:lmao

[Chris]

But that would be terrifying. So he has a good point.:lmao

:lmao

[pgardn]

Citizens don't get deported you dumb fuck.

They do when you redifine citizen.

Is Obama a citizen of the US?

[DMC]

They do when you redifine citizen.

Is Obama a citizen of the US?

Depends on if you redefine Obama or redefine US.

[Winehole23]

Citizens don't get deported you dumb fuck.
Has already happened a number of times.At least once or twice to US vets.

[Spurminator]

Citizens don't get deported you dumb fuck.


But that would be terrifying. So he has a good point.:lmao

https://www.lexisnexis.com/LegalNewsRoom/immigration/b/newsheadlines/posts/no-apologies-but-feds-pay-350k-to-deported-american-citizen
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30180729/ns/us_news-life/t/some-citizens-being-held-illegal-immigrants/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/american-born-citizen-sues-sheriff-after-he-was-nearly-deported-n943486
https://www.cnn.com/news/bullshit-link-that-im-putting-in-here-because-your-dumb-asses-dont-read-n6969666
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Hundreds-of-citizens-end-up-in-deportation-11719324.php
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/23/us/denaturalize-citizen-immigration.html

I looked for an article from Big League Politics or ILoveFreedom.org so you guys would trust the source, but strangely they're not writing about these sorts of things, so you'll just have to take the word of the libtard MSM.

:lmao

[Chris]

https://www.lexisnexis.com/LegalNewsRoom/immigration/b/newsheadlines/posts/no-apologies-but-feds-pay-350k-to-deported-american-citizen

Happened in 2008 :lol Dude got 350k....next...


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30180729/ns/us_news-life/t/some-citizens-being-held-illegal-immigrants/

Oh look a 10 year old article: "Yet in 2007, the 31-year-old Los Angeles native — in jail for a misdemeanor, mentally ill and never able to read or write — signed a waiver agreeing to leave the country without a hearing and was deported to Mexico as an illegal immigrant." Yeah things are pretty fucked up in California, especially Los Angeles. That Sanctuary State thingy doesn't complicate things I'm sure. Oh look:

"It is illegal to deport U.S. citizens or detain them for immigration violations. Yet citizens still end up in detention because the system is overwhelmed, acknowledged Victor Cerda, who left Immigration and Customs Enforcement in 2005 after overseeing the system. The number of detentions overall is expected to rise by about 17 percent this year to more than 400,000, putting a severe strain on the enforcement network and legal system."

I wonder WHY the system is overwhelmed??? HMMMM?????

Next...



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/american-born-citizen-sues-sheriff-after-he-was-nearly-deported-n943486

Flagged for deportation; didn't get deported.

Next...



https://www.cnn.com/news/bullshit-link-that-im-putting-in-here-because-your-dumb-asses-dont-read-n6969666

Nice try faggot.

Next...



https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Hundreds-of-citizens-end-up-in-deportation-11719324.php


"The process of proving citizenship can be complex since a foreign-born baby can inherit U.S. citizenship though a citizen mother or father - as is the case with U.S. Sens. John McCain, R-Arizona, and Ted Cruz, R-Texas. A minor child whose parents naturalize also earns citizenship status. But specific requirements can vary depending on a person's birth year, parents' marital status and other factors."

Also these people choose not to have an attorney, so I'm not surprised some are wrongfully targeted considering all the loopholes and lack of paperwork. All the more reason to build a wall and strengthen our checkpoints/ports of entry. This article says they have been "targeted", but not necessarily deported.

Next...


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/23/us/denaturalize-citizen-immigration.html

"The government says it is doing what it has always done: Prosecuting cases of fraud among 21.2 million naturalized citizens, from people suspected of war crimes or terrorism to those in phony marriages or with false identities."

Looks like she tried to cheat the system and got caught.

Next...


I looked for an article from Big League Politics or ILoveFreedom.org so you guys would trust the source, but strangely they're not writing about these sorts of things, so you'll just have to take the word of the libtard MSM.

As long as you realize you're a retard that's making progress. :tu

Keep shitposting articles that you don't read slugger. Mockingbird Media depends on people like you.

[resistanze]

Republicans have done more of that over the past two decades than Dems.

- Patriot Act (an unprecedented policy of trampling on citizen's rights. You know that recent meme of the kid basically getting molested by airport security? Thank the Patriot Act).
- Iraq War
- Corporate bailouts

Don't worry, we can all see your post in case you were wondering why it's being avoided like nuclear waste by the usuals. :lol

[Chris]

Who here is advocating for the Skull & Bones Bush Dynasty? Not many people know grandpappy Prescott got lots of money from the Nazis.

[Spurminator]

1108853058769952773

Not terrifying though.

[apalisoc_9]

1108853058769952773

Not terrifying though.

Wow.

[boutons_deux]

CBP/ICE can do pretty much whatever they want, to whomever they want.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1108890212481011712

Looks like they conquered another territory.

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1108890212481011712

Looks like they conquered another territory.Did you pray for the victims?

[Chris]

chirp chirp

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1108890212481011712

Looks like they conquered another territory.

Do you realize Christians and Muslims worship the same God? :lol

[Chris]

Do you realize Christians and Muslims worship the same God? :lol

No, the Muslims worship a Moon God.

[Chris]

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henleyherald.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2Fislam-symbol.jpg&f=1

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1108890212481011712

Looks like they conquered another territory.

lmao for real though... how sad!

[midnightpulp]

No, the Muslims worship a Moon God.

Islam is an Abrahamic religion. Like with Judaism, you just disagree on who the prophet is.

[Chris]

Islam is an Abrahamic religion. Like with Judaism, you just disagree on who the prophet is.

Modern day Judaism is actually more in line with ancient Kabalah when you look at the so called "Star of David."

"Yea, you took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your God Remphan, Figures which ye made to worship them..."
-Acts 7:43


https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi0.wp.com%2Fbeginningandend.com%2 Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F09%2FEliphas-Levi-Star-David.jpg&f=1
Mid 1800's



https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.enchantedlearning.com%2Fasia% 2Fisrael%2Fflag%2FFlagbig.GIF&f=1
"The Star of David" -1948


Kaballah teaches that Moses ushered in enlightenment with Egyptian practices (Egyptian mystery schools; The Book of Thoth) It's all ancient blood/sex magic that the elite still practice today.

It's important to understand the difference between the two.

[Pavlov]

Modern day Judaism is actually more in line with ancient Kabalah when you look at the so called "Star of David."

"Yea, you took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your God Remphan, Figures which ye made to worship them..."
-Acts 7:43


https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi0.wp.com%2Fbeginningandend.com%2 Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F09%2FEliphas-Levi-Star-David.jpg&f=1
Mid 1800's



https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.enchantedlearning.com%2Fasia% 2Fisrael%2Fflag%2FFlagbig.GIF&f=1
"The Star of David" -1948


Kaballah teaches that Moses ushered in enlightenment with Egyptian practices (Egyptian mystery schools; The Book of Thoth) It's all ancient blood/sex magic that the elite still practice today.

It's important to understand the difference between the two.Which one do you worship?

[Winehole23]

That Jews and Muslims are pagans is a new one on me.

Radical.

[apalisoc_9]

Modern day Judaism is actually more in line with ancient Kabalah when you look at the so called "Star of David."

"Yea, you took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your God Remphan, Figures which ye made to worship them..."
-Acts 7:43


https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi0.wp.com%2Fbeginningandend.com%2 Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F09%2FEliphas-Levi-Star-David.jpg&f=1
Mid 1800's



https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.enchantedlearning.com%2Fasia% 2Fisrael%2Fflag%2FFlagbig.GIF&f=1
"The Star of David" -1948


Kaballah teaches that Moses ushered in enlightenment with Egyptian practices (Egyptian mystery schools; The Book of Thoth) It's all ancient blood/sex magic that the elite still practice today.

It's important to understand the difference between the two.

Not surprised with your anti-Semitism

[apalisoc_9]

No, the Muslims worship a Moon God.

Islam God is the only God as far as I know whose attirbutes are Godly.

Similarly orthodox jews gods are closer to that.

Its the reason why Muslims can still eat kosher but will never eat christian meat even if their meat is supposodly valid because christianity among the three religions has turned into the most pagan.


Lol christmas.

[apalisoc_9]

That Jews and Muslims are pagans is a new one on me.

Radical.

Lol christmas.

[Chris]

Islam God is the only God as far as I know whose attirbutes are Godly.

Similarly orthodox jews gods are closer to that.

Its the reason why Muslims can still eat kosher but will never eat christian meat even if their meat is supposodly valid because christianity among the three religions has turned into the most pagan.


Lol christmas.

Christmas is a Pagan holiday introduced by Constantine who could not control the spread of Christianity. Educate yourself.

[Pavlov]

Christmas is a Pagan holiday introduced by Constantinople who could not control the spread of Christianity. Educate yourself.Constantinople is not a person.

[boutons_deux]

Demonizing Muslims Unites the Right


http://files.rightwingwatch.org/uploads/Trump-Islam-Hates-us-800x458.png

media are focused on 8chan and other creepy recesses of the internet where anti-Islam ideology is promoted heavily. (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/it-happened-again/)

Dehumanizing rhetoric aimed at Muslims is

a fixture of Religious Right rhetoric,

a go-to strategy for right-wing candidates,

a crowd-pleaser and book-seller for right-wing pundits,

the bread-and-butter for professional anti-Islam activists who are routinely welcomed at conservative gatherings, and

a base-inflaming strategy of prominent Republicans up to and including President Donald Trump (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/20/i-think-islam-hates-us-a-timeline-of-trumps-comments-about-islam-and-muslims/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e118e0f217f8).

In the era of President Donald “Islam Hates Us (https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/09/politics/donald-trump-islam-hates-us/index.html)” Trump, much of the rhetoric is similar, but now the promoters of anti-Muslim bigotry have entered the inner circles of power (https://www.npr.org/2018/04/06/599856473/trump-and-muslims-a-warming-abroad-a-cooling-at-home).

Mike Pompeo has had a long relationship with anti-Muslim groups (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/senators-should-ask-pompeo-about-relationships-with-anti-muslim-activists/).

Jay Sekulow (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/who-is-jay-sekulow-trump-attorney-funnels-millions-to-his-family-through-non-profits/) is one of President Trump’s attorneys and a frequent Fox News guest.

the rhetoric seen at white nationalist site VDARE last year after Omar was elected to Congress. Contributor Lance Welton (a pen name) wrote (https://vdare.com/articles/can-rep-ilhan-omar-really-serve-two-masters-islam-and-the-u-s) that “we now have people in Congress whose loyalty to America is questionable”:


You cannot be a Somali-American, because to be an “American” involves rejecting pretty [much] everything that could possibly be associated with Somalia.

Even being a Muslim-American, when the U.S. is under attack from Muslim terrorists and when Americans are overwhelmingly Christian, is pretty much impossible.


It turns out that almost nothing seems to stir up right-wing fears as much as the prospect of American Muslims getting elected to public office.



etc, etc



http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/demonizing-muslims-unites-the-right/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=rww&utm_campaign=bestof



America is fucked and unfuckable when a SHITTY half of America is obsessed with, motivated by, votes according to paranoia, fear, hate, racisim, xenophobia, Christian supremacy, misogyny

[Chris]

Constantinople is not a person.

Edited. Autocorrect...

[koriwhat]

Capitulating to Muslims Unites the Left

fify

[spurraider21]

apparently capitulating to north korea unites the right

[koriwhat]

apparently capitulating to north korea unites the right

^ "please blow up our twin towers while killing thousands and we'll just suck yalls sandy ass dicks for it." :tu

[spurraider21]

^ "please blow up our twin towers while killing thousands and we'll just suck yalls sandy ass dicks for it." :tu
yup. all muslims conspired together for 9/11

[koriwhat]

yup. all muslims conspired together for 9/11

they're all the same in my book but :cry some more if you must you good little sjw.

[Winehole23]

Lol christmas.I’m fully familiar with syncretism, but saying Christianity is paganism is like saying the tail swallowed the dog.

There might be something to that.

The gloss that Judaism is paganism sounds even more tenuous, but hey, I’m still listening.

[apalisoc_9]

I’m fully familiar with syncretism, but saying Christianity is paganism is like saying the tail swallowed the dog.

There might be something to that.

The gloss that Judaism is paganism sounds even more tenuous, but hey, I’m still listening.

I am mostly refering to Chris stupid assumption about judaism. Saying modern day jews practice ancient kabala thus warrant responding in a non-affirmative tone about its status as an abrahamic religion.

Meanwhile modern christians themslelves practice Christmas

[apalisoc_9]

It would be like claiming Sufis arent muslim

[DMC]

Pretty sure the 2 hour TSA and Canadian airport security screening isn't due to Christians or white supremacists.

[Winehole23]

Pretty sure the 2 hour TSA and Canadian airport security screening isn't due to Christians or white supremacists.are Christians and white supremacists demonstrably less dangerous than anyone else?

I'll take my answer off the air.

[DMC]

are Christians and white supremacists demonstrably less dangerous than anyone else?

I'll take my answer off the air.

Ask the TSA

[Chris]

The emergence of Christianity during the height of the Roman Era became a problem for the Romans. The more the Roman government tried to suppress Christianity the more Christianity grew. Since they couldn't eliminate Christianity they decided to merge their belief system with it.

The moral decline of the Church can be traced back to the aforementioned Emperor Constantine. The beliefs of the Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Eastern cultures, and Romans infiltrated Christianity as the Roman government merged with Christianity. At the heart of the infiltration was Gnosticism which means salvation through knowledge. Christianity, of course, is salvation through Christ.

Fast forwarding we see a military and religious order emerge out of Jerusalem in 1118 known as the Knights Templar. By 1128 the group was given special protection from the Pope. Comprised of mostly nobility the Knights Templar were granted many favors from European rulers. They became wealthy through gifts of land and money. Pope Clemente V resisted abolishment of the Knights Templar for years but was persuaded by the public and King Phillipe IV of France to have 54 knights burned alive in Paris as punishment for "conspiracy and Satan worship (notably Baphomet worship which is prevalent in Hollywood today) The remaining members of the order fled to Scotland, Portugal, and the Island of Malta. Today's well connected youth (notably former President Bill Clinton among others) are initiated in to the Order of DeMolay a secret society which is derived from the Knights Templar.

The Rosicrucians were a religious order that combined the beliefs of ancient mystery religions with Christianity. At some point this group merged with the Knights Templar. After the Knights Templar were abolished, the Rosicrucians became the vehicle by which occult teachings were spread throughout Europe. Freemasonry started when the Rosicrucians merged with the Stone Mason Guilds of Europe. From the 1640's and onward as the construction of Grand Cathedrals declined, Masons concentrated less on stone work and more on occult teachings. By 1717 the worlds first grand lodge of freemasonry was established in London. Freemason were initially viewed positively by the public and were known for doing good works. The number of lodges grew rapidly throughout Europe. The age old Satanic (Luciferian) desire for power also grew within Freemasonry. A secret society within a secret society know as the Illuminati was born on May 1st, 1776. Their goals were quite clear:

Abolition of all monarchial government and patriotism to it.

Elimination of private property and inheritance.

Destruction of the traditional family.

Eradication of all religion.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GviqRmknuYM/WN7uY6-cIHI/AAAAAAACMrU/PgmQcNr2vkMWG-DKXFq2JVyxqDy0eoJ5wCLcB/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2017-03-31%2Bat%2B5.02.36%2BPM.png

The perversion of the Catholic Church and the modern day Pope with his Vatican Mafia is well documented as I digress.

[Winehole23]

Ask the TSASecurity folklore.

Strong. So glad we're all taking off our shoes and having out toiletries inspected.

[Winehole23]

It's the TSA that causes 2 hour lines at airports. More power to you if it makes you feel safer, snowflake.

[Chumpette]

here's another loser projecting like the rest of the idiots here.

Fuck off, calf tats.

[koriwhat]

Fuck off, calf tats.

whatever faggot

[Spurtacular]

https://stillnessinthestorm.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/NZ-shooting-podesta-fish-14-osirus.jpg

[DeadbeatDadCuck]

whatever faggot

Future spree shooter.

[Chris]

Yep, a long well thought out post and no one responded. Bunch of faggots on this site.

[pgardn]

Depends on if you redefine Obama or redefine US.

Yeah.

Not born in the US, I was hearing from team red.

[DMC]

Security folklore.

Strong. So glad we're all taking off our shoes and having out toiletries inspected.

It's not because of Christians or white supremacists.

[Spurtacular]

Yeah.

Not born in the US, I was hearing from team red.

And from Obama and Hillary, too.

:lmao Faggot

[Winehole23]

It's not because of Christians or white supremacists.It's because of scared Christians and racists.

Airports are very safe.

[pgardn]

And from Obama and Hillary, too.

:lmao Faggot

So Obama claimed he and Hillary were not born in the US...
Good to know.

Bozo...

[Spurtacular]

So Obama claimed he and Hillary were not born in the US...
Good to know.

Bozo...

Incorrect.

Try again.

:lmao Still a faggot.

[Winehole23]

Yep, a long well thought out post and no one responded. Bunch of faggots on this site.


Abolition of all monarchial government and patriotism to it.

Elimination of private property and inheritance.

Destruction of the traditional family.

Eradication of all religion.What's not to like?

Sounds like Robert Anton Wilson and Lyndon La Rouche had a love child.

Questioning the the power of elites is sane. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

[DMC]

It's because of scared Christians and racists.

Airports are very safe.

You realize they aren't there to protect the airports, right?

TSA is now because of racists.

Never knew that.

[Winehole23]

Racists and scared white people, yes. If we're still on the topic of security theatre at airports.

It can't really be demonstrated that the TSA has made us any safer, but security routines at airports are undoubtedly an effective means of social control.

[pgardn]

Incorrect.

Try again.

:lmao Still a faggot.

K

Can you make your responses more primitive please.

[FrostKing]

"Approximately 5,000 concertgoers were evacuated from the Homegrown Music Festival in New Zealand because someone thought they saw a “right-wing tattoo” on an attendee. "


:spin

[Pavlov]

"Approximately 5,000 concertgoers were evacuated from the Homegrown Music Festival in New Zealand because someone thought they saw a “right-wing tattoo” on an attendee. "


:spinDoes that make you happy?

[FrostKing]

Does that make you happy?

Hopefully it was Rap concert

[Pavlov]

Hopefully it was Rap concertDoes it make you happy?

[Blake]

No, the Muslims worship a Moon God.

Lol you're so stupid

[Spurtacular]

K

Can you make your responses more primitive please.

Not when I'm condescending to your level.

[Chris]

Lol you're so stupid

Good talk.

[Blake]

Good talk.

You're too stupid to have a good talk.

[DMC]

Racists and scared white people, yes. If we're still on the topic of security theatre at airports.

It can't really be demonstrated that the TSA has made us any safer, but security routines at airports are undoubtedly an effective means of social control.

:lol social conspiracy afoot!

[Spurtacular]

You're too stupid to have a good talk.

Cuckback

[Blake]

Cuckback

Derp derp

[Spurtacular]

Derp derp

Cuck gurgles

[Winehole23]

:lol social conspiracy afoot!laugh all you want.

LE manhandling and abusing the public in the name of safety isn't a conspiracy, it's a con.

[Winehole23]

Confidence game, in case anyone wondered what I meant.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXqyq8jD1Sw