Forbes

[duncan2150]

I just want to talk about him with spursfan.

this year he is not bad so i don't blame him a lot but two questions comes to my mind :

is there some people who thinks a team can be good with forbes playing nearly 30 minutes per game ?

why Pop is often playing a limited guy ala Matt Bonner a lot ?

The biggest problem for Bryn is defense, he is a liability on this side of the game, i think that nodody can contest that. In the other end he can bring you some shooting so for me he is a player who could be a 9-10th player on a roster with 15 minutes per game.

Just want to know what are the toughts about him and one thing i didn't talk about, could he improve and become a better player ?

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Dude has peaked. He is a 3rd string point guard playing as 1st string. The fact that we've done well with him is a miracle. Ideally he should never play as long as we have both him and Mills. I'm just praying that Lonnie makes a leap next year and White and Murray are healthy all year

[duncan2150]

Dude has peaked. He is a 3rd string point guard playing as 1st string. The fact that we've done well with him is a miracle. Ideally he should never play as long as we have both him and Mills. I'm just praying that Lonnie makes a leap next year and White and Murray are healthy all year

agree with you

[Spurs Homer]

Part of me wants to hate Forbes - as he makes a couple of threes and then disappears the rest of the game and gets repeatedly torched - he giveth and taketh away -

and I want to criticize Pop for over-playing him...

On the other hand - let me look at this another way;

If Pop "nurtures" Lonnie the same way and brings out the best in LW 4- then we will have a nice player on the spurs in 2 years!

[TDomination]

Forbes for the most part has overachieved. But based on what we've seen, he is at best a backup PG.
But yet he is starting for us.

20 minutes a game should be the most for him. Being down a guard has automatically given him more playing time but next year, if he's still on the roster, he should be relegated to backup duties.

He can be serviceable as long as his shot is falling. He has a decent shot. And his drives to the basket have been getting better. that will definitely help him in the long run. But the liability on D almost makes it too much to overcome.

It just makes it worse when we have 2 similar players, Forbes/Mills. But of the 2, give me Mills just because we have seen him hit big shots before and make decent defensive plays when needed.

But with that said, Forbes has made himself money this year. As we've seen before with spurs role players (Gary neal, baynes, boban, ) someone will want to pick him up for good money when he becomes a free agent.

[Russ]

Yeah, Forbes sucks, man.

:rolleyes

[ZeusWillJudge]

Dude has peaked. He is a 3rd string point guard playing as 1st string. The fact that we've done well with him is a miracle. Ideally he should never play as long as we have both him and Mills. I'm just praying that Lonnie makes a leap next year and White and Murray are healthy all year


He's a third string shooting guard, playing as a first string point guard. He's the only starting PG in the league to be averaging 2.0 AST per game or less. Hell, I don't think there's been one in the last 10 years. That's because he isn't a PG - that's just the letters after his name on the lineup.

[John B]

Forbes is a necessary evil to open Aldridge and Demar, especially since Demar doesn’t hit the 3. But I like it when Bertans plays 3 and Demar slides to 2 to close, that provides better defense. Maybe start Bertans instead? He has length, better defensively and rebounding, better shooter too.

[timtonymanu]

I see him being a starter to begin next season until Murray rounds into form or Pop prefers to have Murray's defense off the bench. Plus the team has a winning record with him and Pop likes continuity.

Realistically, the team gets rid of Patty and puts Bryn in his spot. Won't happen though so there will be a redundancy with them still around and they may get in the way of Walker having minutes so hopefully Walker has a more productive second year. If the team stands pat next season with Murray being back and Walker improving, Bryn and Patty should just be the backup shooting guard in the same way Patty and Cojo would alter minutes for the team depending on who was more useful in certain matchups. Who am I kidding? Both of them are getting torched on defense regardless.

[duncan2150]

Forbes is a necessary evil to open Aldridge and Demar, especially since Demar doesn’t hit the 3. But I like it when Bertans plays 3 and Demar slides to 2 to close, that provides better defense. Maybe start Bertans instead? He has length, better defensively and rebounding, better shooter too.

Could be a solution, i prefer to start Bertans than Forbes but having mills and forbes off the bench will be difficult.

[SpurPadre]

He is the worst starting player in the entire league. Let's not sugarcoat it.

[Mikeanaro]

Forbes is another typical bench PG, like we had Hill, Cojo and other guys who you cant trust or expect to do great things.
When I say like Hill & Cojo he has the same DNA, no balls lots of hesitation, and for a 3 shooter he has a slow release, needs to be open or will pass the ball.
We are lucky to have White, he fits the PG role very well.

[r0drig0lac]

He is the worst starting player in the entire league. Let's not sugarcoat it.

[slick'81]

Fck patty mills tbh

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Forbes would be fine in the 2003 Steve Kerr role. A backup to provide some offensive firepower when needed, but not depended on to do too much. It's a testament to Pop and the coaching staff that he and Mills have significant roles on a team that will likely be in the playoffs in the western conference.

[NASpurs]

Forbes would be fine in the 2003 Steve Kerr role. A backup to provide some offensive firepower when needed, but not depended on to do too much. It's a testament to Pop and the coaching staff that he and Mills have significant roles on a team that will likely be in the playoffs in the western conference.

Yeah ... a testament to PATFO...

i think the word “despite” is missing in there somewhere.

[SpurPadre]

Forbes would be fine in the 2003 Steve Kerr role. A backup to provide some offensive firepower when needed, but not depended on to do too much. It's a testament to Pop and the coaching staff that he and Mills have significant roles on a team that will likely be in the playoffs in the western conference.

Not depended on too much? If it weren't for Kerr, we likely wouldn't have beaten the Mavs to advance to the Finals in '03, tbh. Forbes will NEVER and should NEVER get that type of responsibility, tbh. He should be the backup to the backup if he has to be in a playoff team.

[sananspursfan21]

Forbes is not the problem on this team.

[SpurPadre]

Forbes is not the problem on this team.

He's one of them, yes. The numbers that show he's a problem are there. Show me the numbers that show he isn't a problem on this team.

[phxspurfan]

Forbes would be fine in the 2003 Steve Kerr role. A backup to provide some offensive firepower when needed, but not depended on to do too much. It's a testament to Pop and the coaching staff that he and Mills have significant roles on a team that will likely be in the playoffs in the western conference.

from Pop, an Old Testament!


...someone who needs to join the Exodus (of bench players off the Spurs!)



*bu-dum-tssh*

[duncan2150]

Forbes is not the problem on this team.

Forbes playing a lot is a big problem as he Can't defend opposite pg or sg.

[jon123spurs]

Bryck Forbes needs to go.

[GreekSpursfan]

He's even cheaper next season, i want to give him one more summer to see if he has any progress body-wise which will help him defensively. He can shoot and in todays NBA you need shooters. If he comes back the same player, adios.

[cd98]

Well, the Spurs are a good team, so yeah. But championship team? I suppose they could if everyone else around him were better. You don't think GSW could take Thompson out and replace him with Forbes and still not be a contender?

[MultiTroll]

Defense. Lets talk at length about his defense.

Which other coaches/players would feature Bryn Forbes in a starting / heavy minutes role in a Championship quest:

Red Auerbach
Bill Russell
KFC Jackson
John Wooden
Chuck Daly
Twinky Kerr
Rick Carlisle
Larry Brown
Tim Duncan
Pat Riley

[MultiTroll]

Well, the Spurs are a good team, so yeah. But championship team? I suppose they could if everyone else around him were better. You don't think GSW could take Thompson out and replace him with Forbes and still not be a contender?
Absolutely not.

[BSfromTX]

Next year, Walker, Murray, DD, White, Mills should be ahead of Forbes. I don’t particularly care for him, but considering his salary, he’s worth keeping

[Russ]

He's the only starting PG in the league to be averaging 2.0 AST per game or less.

You're right, Forbes is not a PG.

After all, how many PGs lead their team in three-pointers made (and are top 20 in the league in three-point shooting %)?

[Slippy]

Forbes is a necessary evil to open Aldridge and Demar, especially since Demar doesn’t hit the 3. But I like it when Bertans plays 3 and Demar slides to 2 to close, that provides better defense. Maybe start Bertans instead? He has length, better defensively and rebounding, better shooter too.

Forbes owes alot to Demar. If Demar could shoot the three Forbes would be probably playing spot mins.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

He has gotten a whole lot better but still a negative player overall. Maybe next season he can get a bit better on defense.

Hopefully if he is on the team next season the other young wings beat him out for minutes due to them being more well rounded players

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Not depended on too much? If it weren't for Kerr, we likely wouldn't have beaten the Mavs to advance to the Finals in '03, tbh. Forbes will NEVER and should NEVER get that type of responsibility, tbh. He should be the backup to the backup if he has to be in a playoff team.

Kerr only appeared in 10 playoff games that year and averaged less than 5 minutes a game in those playoffs. He was great against the Mavericks, hitting some big shots, but He wasn’t a regular rotation guy for Pop that playoffs, which is my entire point. Pop was in a desperate spot to find some offense against Dallas and Kerr stepped up and hit some threes. He wasn’t asked to do much else in that championship run. Again...that should be how Forbes is utilized...when all else fails, and the offense is sputtering, try letting Forbes jack a few threes. Asking him to start and play significant minutes is too much.

[slick'81]

Kerr only appeared in 10 playoff games that year and averaged less than 5 minutes a game in those playoffs. He was great against the Mavericks, hitting some big shots, but He wasn’t a regular rotation guy for Pop that playoffs, which is my entire point. Pop was in a desperate spot to find some offense against Dallas and Kerr stepped up and hit some threes. He wasn’t asked to do much else in that championship run. Again...that should be how Forbes is utilized...when all else fails, and the offense is sputtering, try letting Forbes jack a few threes. Asking him to start and play significant minutes is too much.


Obviously 10-15 min per game role would b ideal for b.Forbes

[alpha_HaZE]

Last time I checked, Bryn had played the MOST minutes of ANY spur not named LaMarcus or DeMar.

[SpurPadre]

Kerr only appeared in 10 playoff games that year and averaged less than 5 minutes a game in those playoffs. He was great against the Mavericks, hitting some big shots, but He wasn’t a regular rotation guy for Pop that playoffs, which is my entire point. Pop was in a desperate spot to find some offense against Dallas and Kerr stepped up and hit some threes. He wasn’t asked to do much else in that championship run. Again...that should be how Forbes is utilized...when all else fails, and the offense is sputtering, try letting Forbes jack a few threes. Asking him to start and play significant minutes is too much.

Good point. But he definitely has to be a last resort kind of player moving forward.

[SpurPadre]

Obviously 0-5 min per game role would b ideal for b.Forbes

FIFY

[RC_Drunkford]

Forbes is clearly better than Mills. Not only does he average more points this season than Mills ever did in his career, he can also drive to the basket and score. Mills just throws the ball in the air and misses lay ups with a clear path to the rim. One of them has to go and the other one should come off the bench playing 20 min max. With that being said I fully expect Pop to play both next season

[kobyz]

He's a JJ Reddick type player, ideally you like him to be more of a backup but you don't have better option right now...

[SpurPadre]

He's a JJ Reddick type player, ideally you like him to be more of a backup but you don't have better option right now...

Reddick was never all that but to compare Forbes to him is just....wow. First, he's Curry and now he's Reddick? lol. He's Gary Neal at best.

[r0drig0lac]

Obviously 10-15 min per game role would b ideal for b.Forbes

that's 10 min above the ideal



He's a JJ Reddick type player, ideally you like him to be more of a backup but you don't have better option right now...

haha, if it was 50% of what JJ is, people would not be so irritated by his presence, although it could be worse, some people were comparing him to Lou Williams (one of the best offensive players in the league) a few weeks ago

[ZeusWillJudge]

You're right, Forbes is not a PG.

After all, how many PGs lead their team in three-pointers made (and are top 20 in the league in three-point shooting %)?


Probably the same number who also lead their team for the worst DRTG. Only Bryn.


I've said it before - I don't hate Forbes. He shouldn't be in the game at the same time as DeRozan, against starters. The defensive liability is too much to overcome. They absolutely HAVE to make their shots, or the team is getting buried. Forbes also needs to be on the floor with a real PG, because he's a 6'0 SG with weak handles.

[kobyz]

Reddick was never all that but to compare Forbes to him is just....wow. First, he's Curry and now he's Reddick? lol. He's Gary Neal at best.

Forbes is having very similar breakout year as did JJ had at the same age...

[ZeusWillJudge]

Forbes is having very similar breakout year as did JJ had at the same age...


Forbes' minutes increases, so his numbers increased. If you look at the Per-36 numbers, he's shown a fairly normal, steady progression. The single biggest thing he improved was his 3P%. It's not a "breakout season" in any since of the term, unless you're talking about his increased minutes.

I didn't know about Reddick at that exact age. But he didn't have a breakout season either. He just came back from a really shit year, the year before. In fact, most of his Per-36 stats were the same or even worse than they had been 2 years before. He didn't break out so much as he got back to where he had been. AND he got more minutes. It was 5 years after that that Reddick's 3P% shot up so high that he became a much more valuable asset.

I don't know if Forbes is really 6'0". I don't believe he's the 6'3" he's listed at. But he's short for a 2, which is what he plays. He's an undersized SG, 3P specialist, who plays very weak defense. Very weak. He can dribble the ball, and get to the rim when he has an opportunity, but he can't contend with heavy ball pressure - ever. And there is zero chance that he would be a starter on a team that was a serious contender. If the goal is squeaking into the bottom half of the playoffs, he's perfect.

[kobyz]

Forbes' minutes increases, so his numbers increased. If you look at the Per-36 numbers, he's shown a fairly normal, steady progression. The single biggest thing he improved was his 3P%. It's not a "breakout season" in any since of the term, unless you're talking about his increased minutes.

I didn't know about Reddick at that exact age. But he didn't have a breakout season either. He just came back from a really shit year, the year before. In fact, most of his Per-36 stats were the same or even worse than they had been 2 years before. He didn't break out so much as he got back to where he had been. AND he got more minutes. It was 5 years after that that Reddick's 3P% shot up so high that he became a much more valuable asset.

I don't know if Forbes is really 6'0". I don't believe he's the 6'3" he's listed at. But he's short for a 2, which is what he plays. He's an undersized SG, 3P specialist, who plays very weak defense. Very weak. He can dribble the ball, and get to the rim when he has an opportunity, but he can't contend with heavy ball pressure - ever. And there is zero chance that he would be a starter on a team that was a serious contender. If the goal is squeaking into the bottom half of the playoffs, he's perfect.

I think he will keep the JJ trajectory and keep improve, his defense is still much better than bellinelli

[sasaint]

I think he will keep the JJ trajectory and keep improve, his defense is still much better than bellinelli

If Bryn is on a run on the JJ trajectory to break out in 5 years, I hope that another team reaps that reward. I don’t want him to be a Spur that long to finally prove himself. I like Forbes as a back-up SG as long as the PG he plays with is much bigger and a better defender. Aside from the unfortunate injury to DJ, Bryn’s biggest problem is that he is too similar to 50Mills. Patty is not going anywhere, so Bryn needs to go bye-bye.

Bryn is no better defender than Marco, although his defensive effort generally seems somewhat better. But his small stature forever dooms him on defense. We have seen Bryn (and Patty, for that matter) play stellar defense on a possession when, in the end, his man just rises over him and knocks down a pretty easy basket.

[Arcadian]

Forbes for the most part has overachieved. But based on what we've seen, he is at best a backup PG.
But yet he is starting for us.

20 minutes a game should be the most for him. Being down a guard has automatically given him more playing time but next year, if he's still on the roster, he should be relegated to backup duties.

He can be serviceable as long as his shot is falling. He has a decent shot. And his drives to the basket have been getting better. that will definitely help him in the long run. But the liability on D almost makes it too much to overcome.

It just makes it worse when we have 2 similar players, Forbes/Mills. But of the 2, give me Mills just because we have seen him hit big shots before and make decent defensive plays when needed.

But with that said, Forbes has made himself money this year. As we've seen before with spurs role players (Gary neal, baynes, boban, ) someone will want to pick him up for good money when he becomes a free agent.

I was with you until the bold. Give me Forbes because he's younger and costs less.