Taking Down Biden, His History

[Pavlov]

Correct, but I care more about the actual issues than I do about whatever label is next to the person's name.

I guess you care more about labels than issues.:lol passive aggressive

Bernie can run as an independent. Then he can ensure Trump's second term.

[spurraider21]

I'd consider voting for Bernie if he was, you know, a Democrat.

He's a socialist who refuses to join a political movement for collective action.:lol
would you vote for him if he became the democrat nominee?

[Pavlov]

would you vote for him if he became the democrat nominee?Sure.

Then he'd be a Democrat.

[Pavlov]

Of course I am a Democrat and running for the Democratic nomination

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/politics/democratic-town-hall-highlights/

If he can be a Democrat when it's convenient I can vote for him when it's convenient.

[Reck]

Why is Bernie doubling down and making "I am a socialist" specifict rallies now?

Is he just panicking now that Warren seems to have that second place running status? Even she is staying away from mah socialist talk.

[Will Hunting]

:lol passive aggressive

Bernie can run as an independent. Then he can ensure Trump's second term.
I wouldn't call that post passive at all, it's aggression was pretty direct.

Bernie running as an independent would be selfish, which is why he's running as a Democrat and won't run at all if he doesn't win the nomination.

Why are you obsessing over what he labels himself as?

[Pavlov]

I wouldn't call that post passive at all, it's aggression was pretty direct.

Bernie running as an independent would be selfish, which is why he's running as a Democrat and won't run at all if he doesn't win the nomination.

Why are you obsessing over what he labels himself as?:lol "obsessing"

Will you vote for Biden if he gets the nomination?

[Will Hunting]

Why is Bernie doubling down and making "I am a socialist" specifict rallies now?

Is he just panicking now that Warren seems to have that second place running status? Even she is staying away from mah socialist talk.
I honestly think Bernie would be perfectly fine with losing the nomination if Warren won.

Him calling himself a proud socialist is a strategy to get in front of someone like Biden calling him a socialist as a negative.

[Will Hunting]

:lol "obsessing"

Will you vote for Biden if he gets the nomination?
It depends. If he wins the nomination fair and square then I'll definitely vote for him. If it's a 2016 repeat where superdelegates ignore voters and the DNC does everything it can to help Biden then I'll probably not vote in the general at all.

I say that now however I'm not going to pretend I won't pussy out and end up voting for Biden if Trump presents a new slew of awful ideas leading up to the election (even if it's a bullshit nomination process).

[Pavlov]

It depends. If he wins the nomination fair and square then I'll definitely vote for him. If it's a 2016 repeat where superdelegates ignore voters and the DNC does everything it can to help Biden then I'll probably not vote in the general at all.

I say that now however I'm not going to pretend I won't pussy out and end up voting for Biden if Trump presents a new slew of awful ideas leading up to the election (even if it's a bullshit nomination process).So it will all depend on Bernie butthurt.

OK.

[Will Hunting]

So it will all depend on Bernie butthurt.

OK.
Definitely not. Biden is the only candidate I'd ever consider not voting for. As much as I'm not a fan of Buttigeig or Harris I'd vote for them over Trump too.

Who are you going to be voting for in the primary?

[Pavlov]

Definitely not. Biden is the only candidate I'd ever consider not voting for. As much as I'm not a fan of Buttigeig or Harris I'd vote for them over Trump too.

Who are you going to be voting for in the primary?Don't know. Probably a Democrat.

[ducks]

Don't know. Probably a Democrat.

In states if you are registered as a democract you vote only on democracts not republican

[Pavlov]

In states if you are registered as a democract you vote only on democracts not republican:lmao ducks

[boutons_deux]

I think the Dem / centrist women will go for Liz

[Winehole23]

I'd consider voting for Bernie if he was, you know, a Democrat.

He's a socialist who refuses to join a political movement for collective action.:lolDidn't he campaign for HRC after she won the 2016 nomination? Is that misremembered?

[Will Hunting]

Didn't he campaign for HRC after she won the 2016 nomination? Is that misremembered?
It is. The narrative that poor Hillary lost because of big evil Bernie is much more convenient.

[Pavlov]

It is. The narrative that poor Hillary lost because of big evil Bernie is much more convenient.I never said he didn't campaign. :lol your narrative

[Will Hunting]

I never said he didn't campaign. :lol your narrative
I never said you said anything with respect to whether or not he campaigned. I was speaking generally.

[Pavlov]

My narrative is generally speaking his supporters were butthurt.

[Winehole23]

My narrative is generally speaking his supporters were butthurt.if the polls can be believed, their second choice seems to be Biden this time around.

[pgardn]

My narrative is generally speaking his supporters were butthurt.

They left his suggestion in the trash on the way out.

[pgardn]

I vote for Biden easily over the lying sack of orange shit.
Anyone. And thats all it will take imo.

[ducks]

Newly Uncovered Abortion Remarks From Biden May Seriously Damage Campaign
https://www.dailywire.com/news/48377/newly-uncovered-abortion-remarks-biden-may-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwbrand

[Will Hunting]

The idea that any abortion is a tragedy or that we should do what we can to limit abortions isn't really that controversial imo (granted the best way to limit abortions is to give easy access to birth control, not simply kill government funding for abortions like Biden suggests), and 3rd trimester abortions really should be avoided outside of rare circumstances.

Of all of Biden's flaws, this is a really stupid one to be going after.

[spurraider21]

abortions arent' some casual decision people make. women always describe the decision making process as traumatic or even depressing... its obviously not the position they want to be in.

[Pavlov]

I'd be happy to consider curtailing abortion if its opponents didn't also oppose birth control and practical sex education.

[boutons_deux]

3rd trimester abortions really should be avoided outside of rare circumstances.

is there any evidence that "rare circumstances" ISN'T the case?

" a little more than 1 percent occur sometime after 21 weeks, which is still well within the second trimester."

"These are tragic situations, and

there's a tremendous sense of pain and loss and anguish for the woman and their family to end the pregnancy.

So this is not something they want to do," Hern told NPR.

"They want to have a baby; they don't want to have an abortion."

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718546468/opponents-fight-efforts-to-protect-late-term-abortion-rights (https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718546468/opponents-fight-efforts-to-protect-late-term-abortion-rights)

[Will Hunting]

is there any evidence that "rare circumstances" ISN'T the case?

" a little more than 1 percent occur sometime after 21 weeks, which is still well within the second trimester."

"These are tragic situations, and

there's a tremendous sense of pain and loss and anguish for the woman and their family to end the pregnancy.

So this is not something they want to do," Hern told NPR.

"They want to have a baby; they don't want to have an abortion."

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718546468/opponents-fight-efforts-to-protect-late-term-abortion-rights (https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718546468/opponents-fight-efforts-to-protect-late-term-abortion-rights)



I never said there was evidence rare circumstances isn't the case.

[Spurminator]

I always wonder why the "life begins at conception" crowd isn't raising absolute hell over fertility clinics discarding thousands and thousands of fertilized embryos every year.

[Will Hunting]

I always wonder why the "life begins at conception" crowd isn't raising absolute hell over fertility clinics discarding thousands and thousands of fertilized embryos every year.
A lot of the life begins at conception loons would undoubtedly be raising hell about that if they were capable of processing information and knowing it was happening :lol

[Spurminator]

A lot of the life begins at conception loons would undoubtedly be raising hell about that if they were capable of processing information and knowing it was happening :lol

Oh I guarantee a good number of them have done IVF, had the analysis done on which embryos met certain criteria, and thought nothing of tossing the other dozen away.

But, it's different because they didn't have sex to create them, I guess?

[Will Hunting]

Oh I guarantee a good number of them have done IVF, had the analysis done on which embryos met certain criteria, and thought nothing of tossing the other dozen away.

But, it's different because they didn't have sex to create them, I guess?
It's different because their megachurch pastor hasn't told them it's something they should be outraged by :lol

[boutons_deux]

I always wonder why the "life begins at conception" crowd isn't raising absolute hell over fertility clinics discarding thousands and thousands of fertilized embryos every year.

if it's not in woman's uterus, then the pro-forced-birthers can't try to control it. They don't care about orphan embryos. Their victim is the woman only

[koriwhat]

if it's not in woman's uterus, then the pro-forced-birthers can't try to control it. They don't care about orphan embryos. Their victim is the woman only

probably because that wasn't god's choice and was man made per se. idk tbh just my 2 cents of what i imagine they think.

[AaronY]

this is all assuming the premise that you win by attracting centrists... in a country like ours with shitty voter participation (only 58% of eligible citizens voted), there are untapped votes in your own base that can just be "energized" to go out and vote.

if voter participation was closer to 80%, then it stops being viable to try harder and harder to extract more votes out of your base, and appealing to "win over" centrists becomes a legitimate strategy
This is like things far leftists tell themselves to feel better 101 lol. No wonder people like you are so astonished Biden is doing well. Out of touch tbh

[Will Hunting]

This is like things far leftists tell themselves to feel better 101 lol. No wonder people like you are so astonished Biden is doing well. Out of touch tbh
Whoever said they're astonished that Biden is doing well? I'd say it's more frustrating than astonishing that people still buy into the win the center that already a tried a true failure.

[boutons_deux]

A mutual target: Democrats join President Trump in punching at Joe Biden

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-mutual-target-democrats-join-president-trump-in-punching-at-joe-biden/2019/06/13/c297692c-8e14-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?utm_term=.ded1e0a3ebd7&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-mutual-target-democrats-join-president-trump-in-punching-at-joe-biden/2019/06/13/c297692c-8e14-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?utm_term=.ded1e0a3ebd7&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

[spurraider21]

This is like things far leftists tell themselves to feel better 101 lol. No wonder people like you are so astonished Biden is doing well. Out of touch tbh
how does that make anyone feel better?

[Pavlov]

Whoever said they're astonished that Biden is doing well? I'd say it's more frustrating than astonishing that people still buy into the win the center that already a tried a true failure.Which far left presidential campaigns were successful in the past 50 years?

[AaronY]

how does that make anyone feel better?
The reality is rose twitter and progressivism are way more popular in the internet than in reality. The people who vote in the democrat primaries represent a very small portion of the electorate already. Making matters even worse, John Oliver even had a segment back in the day about how the primaries which feature an insanely small percent of the general pop is partially tearing this country apart as many normal people dont vote in them so generally unpopular things whether they be far left or far right ideas like the border wall (which has always been about 60-40 against: https://news.gallup.com/poll/246455/solid-majority-opposes-new-construction-border-wall.aspx) even become issues. AOC was blown like she was the second coming for keeping Amazon headquarters out of NYC on twitter but irl polls shows most New Yorkers were way against her doing that like way against it. There's even this hilarious campaign to have AOC primary Schumer or Gillibrand which would be one of the funniest things of all time. If she wents against Gillibrand who's very popular she would lose like 80-20 and rose twitter would be astonished. So far left is not even that popular in the primaries and way less popular irl basically

Its going to be pretty hilarious if in 2 years Biden cruises through the primaries and beats Trump by 4-5 points looking back at all these theories tbh


Whoever said they're astonished that Biden is doing well? I'd say it's more frustrating than astonishing that people still buy into the win the center that already a tried a true failure.
Spurraider21 the other day was looking at all the polls and saw Biden on top of all them and admitted he had no clue why anyone would ever vote for Biden. Like it baffled him. He directly said it. He was also seem absolutely shocked when ChumpDumper was pointing that Sanders always being too good to actually join the Democratic party was an issue when it is a HUGE issue among older people in my family at least who are Democrats. He made it out like it was some kind of idiosyncratic thing chumpdumper thought up as far as I can tell. Progressives really, really, really look down on traditional Democrats and they dont hide it well at all (see any WillHunting post for evidence spurraider).

More than anything people in reality and not on rose twitter just want things to just go back to the way they were. If Obama were able to run again (like lets say the 2 term limit rule was only no more than 2 consecutive terms in a row) he could come out tomorrow with an entire premise of having literally no new ideas at all he would cruise through the Dem primaries like it was nothing. Policies are somewhat important but personal charisma, speaking ability etc is still a huge factor. Biden in the past has been very good debater so I think he will continue to do well even after the debats and the people who thought this was Bernie's turn and he would be the one polling in a huge lead like Biden is now will continue to make lame excuses for him like they did when he lost the 2016 democratic primary by 3.7 million votes nationwide.

[AaronY]

Which far left presidential campaigns were successful in the past 50 years?
The progressive Bernie Bro thing is actually funny in so many ways. Bernie refuses to be called a Democrat and no one understands why people who have been proud democrats all their lives might even be offended by this. My uncle is 72 years old and a lifelong dem he went door to door for kennedy in 1960 since he was too young to actually vote then, voted for Carter twice, liked the Clintons (and points out that in reality Clinton left office with the highest approval rating since WWII and makes many good points about the positives that happened when he was in office) and was really proud to elect the first black president ever but progressives he interacts with on the internet are really snide to him and make it like he is the cause of all kinds of problems in the world. Also Bernie Bros take a lot of little shots at Obama about the drones and bankers he hired and...........not really a genius move since he has like an 87% approval rating among democrats and is almost like a beloved cult religious figure at this point but they do it a lot and they cant help themselves.

its hilarious. almost like if I wanted to run for the head of the Christian religious party and had three policies
1) dont ever call me a christian
2) myself and my people kind of look down on christians
3) now not going to come right out and call jesus a piece of shit myself but will make all kinds of critical remarks about him

then i call rigging when i dont do well lol

[spurraider21]

The reality is rose twitter and progressivism are way more popular in the internet than in reality. The people who vote in the democrat primaries represent a very small portion of the electorate already. Making matters even worse, John Oliver even had a segment back in the day about how the primaries which feature an insanely small percent of the general pop is partially tearing this country apart as many normal people dont vote in them so generally unpopular things whether they be far left or far right ideas like the border wall (which has always been about 60-40 against: https://news.gallup.com/poll/246455/solid-majority-opposes-new-construction-border-wall.aspx) even become issues. AOC was blown like she was the second coming for keeping Amazon headquarters out of NYC on twitter but irl polls shows most New Yorkers were way against her doing that like way against it. There's even this hilarious campaign to have AOC primary Schumer or Gillibrand which would be one of the funniest things of all time. If she wents against Gillibrand who's very popular she would lose like 80-20 and rose twitter would be astonished. So far left is not even that popular in the primaries and way less popular irl basically
i hear you here


Its going to be pretty hilarious if in 2 years Biden cruises through the primaries and beats Trump by 4-5 points looking back at all these theories tbh
he might. and if he beats trump in the general election, i'd be thrilled. my theory isn't that biden is unelectable. i just dont see what makes him a good or appealing candidate. any democrat would nominate liberal justices. im just trying to figure out what biden brings to the table that makes him stand out as being "the guy" for a presidential run vs some anonymous democrat in the house


Spurraider21 the other day was looking at all the polls and saw Biden on top of all them and admitted he had no clue why anyone would ever vote for Biden. Like it baffled him. He directly said it.
see above. i am legit baffled because even if somebody wanted an "establishment democrat" i'm at a loss if you wanted me to explain what makes biden "the guy" to be president among the rest of the establishment. what is his hallmark? what is his major issue that would be the top of his agenda? yeah i know i can look up "the issues" on the website rofl, but for instance, people voting for trump KNEW what they like from him. they wanted his tough on immigration policy, and neener-neener attitude for anything obama ever did. what's biden's message or overall appeal?


He was also seem absolutely shocked when ChumpDumper was pointing that Sanders always being too good to actually join the Democratic party was an issue when it is a HUGE issue among older people in my family at least who are Democrats. He made it out like it was some kind of idiosyncratic thing chumpdumper thought up as far as I can tell. Progressives really, really, really look down on traditional Democrats and they dont hide it well at all (see any WillHunting post for evidence spurraider).
thats not a matter of looking down on democrats. chump loves to rail against berniebros for their perceived responsibility in getting trump elected, because berniebros supposedly refused to hold their nose and vote for clinton (even though will hunting demonstrated that they did). and yet, he seemed to show the same reservation about voting for bernie if thats what it came down to (to be fair he later stated he would vote for sanders if he won the nomination, at which point i dropped my line of inquiry there)... https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279034&page=11&p=9835362&viewfull=1#post9835362

my point wasn't that i demand everybody left of trump to pledge support for bernie. he's not my top choice, either.


More than anything people in reality and not on rose twitter just want things to just go back to the way they were. If Obama were able to run again (like lets say the 2 term limit rule was only no more than 2 consecutive terms in a row) he could come out tomorrow with an entire premise of having literally no new ideas at all he would cruise through the Dem primaries like it was nothing. Policies are somewhat important but personal charisma, speaking ability etc is still a huge factor. Biden in the past has been very good debater so I think he will continue to do well even after the debats and the people who thought this was Bernie's turn and he would be the one polling in a huge lead like Biden is now will continue to make lame excuses for him like they did when he lost the 2016 democratic primary by 3.7 million votes nationwide.
yeah, that's an unfortunate reality.

bernie is by far the farthest left of any candidate in the field, i dont think anybody denies that he's on the fringe. my astonishment isn't that bernie isn't #1. i simply dont understand the appeal for biden

[Winehole23]

Autonomy over medical decisions is a human rights issue period. My body, my decision.

A double standard for women is per se oppression and unfreedom.

[boutons_deux]

Joe Biden and the ‘electability’ delusion — and why the media keep making the same mistake

As Iowa journalist Robert Leonard talks to voters around his state, he finds himself

baffled at the national portrayal of Joe Biden’s dominance in the presidential campaign.

The local Democrats he encounters respect the former vice president, he told me, but

many of them also feel his time has passed.

They’re far more excited about other candidates, five in particular:

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.);

Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind.;

Sen. Kamala D. Harris (Calif.);

former Texas congressman Beto O’Rourke and Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.).

So he shakes his head at the extensive coverage and commentary that depicts Biden as almost a shoo-in for a nomination that’s more than a year away.

“No one I have spoken with sees Biden as more formidable than other top candidates.”

a self-perpetuating effect: Biden is the front-runner, so he gets more media coverage.

That coverage decision captures the electability delusion in action — and it cuts both ways.

it’s downright unfair to other candidates at this early stage — and it may be dangerous to the Democrats’ quest to unseat Trump.

Trump going after Biden

theory is that Trump — with his unerring instinct for steering the media caravan — is focusing on Biden because

he knows the former veep may be relatively easier to beat.

“Biden’s centrism, his big mouth, his age and out-of-touchness, and his handsiness

sets him up to be beset with a ‘both sides are the same, so don’t vote’ campaign targeting the same voters who sat out 2016,”

it’s unfair to take his political argument for himself (‘electability’) as a fact instead of an opinion/argument.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-electability-delusion--and-why-the-media-keep-making-the-same-mistake/2019/06/14/495c3b12-8de9-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8e2c45a3e375&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-electability-delusion--and-why-the-media-keep-making-the-same-mistake/2019/06/14/495c3b12-8de9-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8e2c45a3e375&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

[Winehole23]

It's possible Joe Biden is shrewdly positioning himself to capture a portion of the racist vote. It's also possible that Biden is a moron, that Herman Talmadge and James O. Eastland are the best examples of working across the aisle he can recall in his long career of public service.

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[boutons_deux]

Vowing Not to 'Demonize' the Rich, Biden Tells Billionaires 'Nothing Would Fundamentally Change' If He Was Elected

It "might be the most honest thing he's said since he defended segregated schools."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/19/vowing-not-demonize-rich-biden-tells-billionaires-nothing-would-fundamentally-change?cd-origin=rss (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/19/vowing-not-demonize-rich-biden-tells-billionaires-nothing-would-fundamentally-change?cd-origin=rss)

... more proof that Biden and the rest of Dem establishment are stooges of the oligarchy.

[boutons_deux]

Beware Joe Biden's "national unity" campaign: Win or lose, it's a bad idea

Why is Joe Biden making smoochy overtures to "moderate" Republicans?

Because he's not really running as a Democrat

https://www.salon.com/2019/06/09/beware-joe-bidens-national-unity-campaign-win-or-lose-its-a-bad-idea/ (https://www.salon.com/2019/06/09/beware-joe-bidens-national-unity-campaign-win-or-lose-its-a-bad-idea/)

[Reck]

It's possible Joe Biden is shrewdly positioning himself to capture a portion of the racist vote. It's also possible that Biden is a moron, that Herman Talmadge and James O. Eastland are the best examples of working across the aisle he can recall in his long career of public service.

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To be fair, the entire senate was a racist pit back in his days. They also made a big fuss of Hillary saying nice words of a racist colleague of hers.

If you read the entire quotes though, it's not like he's praising them for who they were. He was talking about getting things done in the senate.

This guy Biden is done if he keeps making these goofy mistakes. Already 3 major fuckups in the last 2 weeks. Yikes.

[boutons_deux]

"He was talking about getting things done in the senate."

he ain't gonna do shit with a Repug Senate, esp if Bitch McC is still there. 100% obstruction, just like with Obama/Biden years.

[Winehole23]

To be fair, the entire senate was a racist pit back in his days. I wasn't aware those days came to a definitive end. When did the US Senate cease to be racist?


f you read the entire quotes though, it's not like he's praising them for who they were. He was talking about getting things done in the senate.Like what?

[koriwhat]

To be fair, the entire senate was a racist pit back in his days. They also made a big fuss of Hillary saying nice words of a racist colleague of hers.

If you read the entire quotes though, it's not like he's praising them for who they were. He was talking about getting things done in the senate.

This guy Biden is done if he keeps making these goofy mistakes. Already 3 major fuckups in the last 2 weeks. Yikes.


"He was talking about getting things done in the senate."

he ain't gonna do shit with a Repug Senate, esp if Bitch McC is still there. 100% obstruction, just like with Obama/Biden years.




racist apologists right here yall... how many more of you faux intellectual libs are going to raise your hand in your best fascist nazi salute?

[Reck]

Like what?

What do you mean like what? Back when the senate actually functioned and bills got passed. Now if you want to argue about the openly racist pieces of shits that's another matter.

And dont get me wrong, Biden is a stupid fuck for even bringing that up. Deserves every shit he gets.

[Winehole23]

Reck: Would you like to see Democratic comity with Mitch McConnell? Cause the reverse ain't happening.

[Reck]

I wasn't aware those days came to a definitive end. When did the US Senate cease to be racist?

Looks like I missed this.

I didn't, it still does today to a much lesser extent.

I'm talking about unabashed KKK type racism where these old hags not only were openly racist but also encouraged racist and violent behavior.

Outside of the orange tard, you dont see that in the congress these days.

[Reck]

Reck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412): Would you like to see Democratic comity with Mitch McConnell? Cause the reverse ain't happening.

Not sure I understand the question.

Biden, like Hillary is wasting his time pandering to the republicans right now. The only way you're going to make any republicans work with any democrat is to first win the presidency and somehow flip enough sits where the senate composition was closer to how it was pre 2016.

[Winehole23]

Yep.

It's a long shot, but not impossible. Hard to see how Biden courting racists and Republicans helps. It's not to his credit he can't see how shit has changed.

[DarrinS]

Looks like I missed this.

I didn't, it still does today to a much lesser extent.

I'm talking about unabashed KKK type racism where these old hags not only were openly racist but also encouraged racist and violent behavior.

Outside of the orange tard, you dont see that in the congress these days.


Orange man bad

[Winehole23]

Orange man badHe sure is.

Worst President since Woodrow Wilson.

[spurraider21]

so biden says "hey remember that POS racist asshole? he was the worst, and i still was able to work with him and get shit done"

i dont see how thats an endorsement for racism. thats basically him claiming he'll find a way to work with the turtle

whether you believe him is a different story

[Winehole23]

so biden says "hey remember that POS racist asshole? he was the worst, and i still was able to work with him and get shit done"

i dont see how thats an endorsement for racism. thats basically him claiming he'll find a way to work with the turtle

whether you believe him is a different storyDo you believe him?

[Reck]

Orange man bad

You are now realizing this?

Trump is more than just bad, Darrin.

Take your blindfold off.

[spurraider21]

Do you believe him?
no, i think he's a blowhard. among my least favorite democrats in the field right now.

i still dont think his comment was an endorsement for racism (or quasi endorsement aiming to win over racist votes)

[boutons_deux]

"Graham defends Biden's "civility" with segregationists by mentioning that the ex-VP spoke at Strom Thurmond's funeral"

[DarrinS]

Lol

Strange how this always happens

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[koriwhat]

Lol

Strange how this always happens

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because the bulk of thier viewers use twitter, right? lmao fucking hacks!

[Pavlov]

Lol

Strange how this always happens

1141471848133251073Yeah, Prater and D'Souza and Darrin think the Democrats are still the white supremacy party too.

[Reck]

Lol

Strange how this always happens

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That's because there is a distinction between being a "dixiecrat and a full fleshed democrat. A distinction that is always loss on people like you every time you bring it up. Weird

Basically this guy was what a republican is today.

[boutons_deux]

Yeah, Prater and D'Souza and Darrin think the Democrats are still the white supremacy party too.

... and Repugs are the party of Lincoln (also the party of Log Cabin Repugs)

[Pavlov]

... and Repugs are the party of Lincoln (also the party of Log Cabin Repugs):lol they still want credit for freeing the slaves while fighting to keep confederate monuments.

[DarrinS]

Biden is to white supremacy what Trump is to white supremacy, i.e. neither of them is racist.

[spurraider21]

Biden is to white supremacy what Trump is to white supremacy, i.e. neither of them is racist.
BOTH SIDES

[DarrinS]

BOTH SIDES

Both sides say dumb shit, from time to time.

[Pavlov]

Biden is to white supremacy what Trump is to white supremacy, i.e. neither of them is racist.Why does Trump still think the Central Park Five are guilty?

[spurraider21]

Both sides say dumb shit, from time to time.
Trump's xenophobia isn't just some slip of tongue or some faux pas, imo

[DarrinS]

Trump's xenophobia isn't just some slip of tongue or some faux pas, imo

If xenophobia means only wanting legal immigrants, then I'm xenophobic, too.

[spurraider21]

If xenophobia means only wanting legal immigrants, then I'm xenophobic, too.
expressing his desire to ban the entry of anybody from a particular religion, only wanting legal immigration if they're not from "shithole countries", etc etc

shitting on judges because of their ethnic background...

[DarrinS]

Why does Trump still think the Central Park Five are guilty?

Why does Biden think Obama is the first "mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean". :lol

[Pavlov]

Why does Biden think Obama is the first "mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean". :lolYou didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Why does Trump still think the Central Park Five are guilty?

[DarrinS]

You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Why does Trump still think the Central Park Five are guilty?

Because drumpf is secretly Hitler reincarnated.

[DarrinS]

expressing his desire to ban the entry of anybody from a particular religion, only wanting legal immigration if they're not from "shithole countries", etc etc

shitting on judges because of their ethnic background...

Ever met an asshole from NY with no filter? That's him. :lol

[Pavlov]

Because drumpf is secretly Hitler reincarnated.I asked you a serious question, Darrin.

I'd like a serious answer.

Why does Trump still think the Central Park Five are guilty?

[DarrinS]

I asked you a serious question, Darrin.

I'd like a serious answer.

Why does Trump still think the Central Park Five are guilty?

There are people who still think the West Memphis Three are guilty. Is it because they hate whites?

[Pavlov]

There are people who still think the West Memphis Three are guilty. Is it because they hate whites?You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Why does Trump still think the Central Park Five are guilty?

[spurraider21]

Ever met an asshole from NY with no filter? That's him. :lol
he's not just an asshole. he targets specific groups

[DarrinS]

I think Steven Avery is guilty AF. I must hate whitey.

[Pavlov]

I think Steven Avery is guilty AF. I must hate whitey.You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Why does Trump still think the Central Park Five are guilty?

[DarrinS]

he's not just an asshole. he targets specific groups

Are there specific groups crossing our border illegally?

[DarrinS]

You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

Why does Trump still think the Central Park Five are guilty?

Don't know why he thinks what he thinks. What's your opinion?

[spurraider21]

Are there specific groups crossing our border illegally?
his disdain isn't only towards illegal immigrants. dude straight up wanted to ban muslim entry altogether, regardless of legality

his staunch birtherism had nothing to do with illegal border crossings. his "both sides" shtick in response to an actual nazi rally had nothing to do with illegal border crossings. calling certian countries "shithole countries" has nothing to do with illegal border crossings. his bullshit concerns over white farmers being systematically killed off in south africa had nothing to do with illegal border crossings. the NFL shit had nothing to do with illegal border crossings.

[Pavlov]

Don't know why he thinks what he thinks. What's your opinion?Probably racism.

Fairly easy call. I know it's the one you would never admit to, but there it is.

[Reck]

Ever met an asshole from NY with no filter? That's him. :lol

Holy shit, this excuse.

I'm from New York, most of the people I know are from here and have "no filter" and they dont talk like that. :lol

Trump is a straight up racist piece of shit. Has nothing to do with having no filter. Most New Yorkers are liberal with their swear words. Dont mean they're racist because of it.

[Reck]

The word Darrin is looking for is action.

Trump is actively looking for ways to shit on the minority by ways and means that are 100% discriminatory.

[DarrinS]

Probably racism.

Fairly easy call. I know it's the one you would never admit to, but there it is.

Well, when it's not clear, might as well call it racism. Because...reasons

[Pavlov]

Well, when it's not clear, might as well call it racism. Because...reasons:lolIt's "not clear" to you because you don't even want it to be a possibility.

Because...reasons

[DarrinS]

his disdain isn't only towards illegal immigrants. dude straight up wanted to ban muslim entry altogether, regardless of legality

his staunch birtherism had nothing to do with illegal border crossings. his "both sides" shtick in response to an actual nazi rally had nothing to do with illegal border crossings. calling certian countries "shithole countries" has nothing to do with illegal border crossings. his bullshit concerns over white farmers being systematically killed off in south africa had nothing to do with illegal border crossings. the NFL shit had nothing to do with illegal border crossings.


The "both sides" thing? Really?

[spurraider21]

The "both sides" thing? Really?
really

at the VERY least it was a dogwhistle... one that people like richard spencer (or our very own culburn) seemed to pick up on pretty easily :lol

[DarrinS]

really



Reporter: I do love Thomas Jefferson-

Trump: OK, good. Well, are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue? So, you know what? It’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture and you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned, totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You got a lot of bad people in the other group, too.

[Pavlov]

The "both sides" thing? Really? Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

[spurraider21]

those weren't his original comments, DarrinS

[DarrinS]

You’re changing culture and you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned, totally.


:lol

[Pavlov]

:lolWell, who were the very fine people on that side of the rally?

:lol "changing culture"

[spurraider21]

:lol
yes, he had to walk-back his original statement after all the backlash

[DarrinS]

Well, who were the very fine people on that side of the rally?

:lol "changing culture"

People with wrongthink?

[DarrinS]

yes, he had to walk-back his original statement after all the backlash

You think he was referring to POS in the Dodge? :lol

[Pavlov]

People with wrongthink?Which ones on the Neonazi side were very fine people the day Heyser was killed in your opinion?

I don't think any of them were very fine after tiki night.


What do you think, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

Which ones on the Neonazi side were very fine people the day Heyser was killed in your opinion?

I don't think any of them were very fine after tiki night.


What do you think, Darrin?

^already shot down in previous post

[Pavlov]

^already shot down in previous postAre you referring to the walkback, Darrin?

:lol "shot down"

So no fine people after tiki night?

Use your words.

[DarrinS]

Are you referring to the walkback, Darrin?

:lol "shot down"

So no fine people after tiki night?

Use your words.

If you seriously think Trump thinks neo Nazis are "very fine people", then I probably couldn't convince you otherwise.

[Pavlov]

If you seriously think Trump thinks neo Nazis are "very fine people", then I probably couldn't convince you otherwise.I don't know who was very fine on the neo Nazi side. Did all the very fine people on that side leave after tiki night?

Let me know.

:lol " a very, very important statue"

[Winehole23]

Trump isn't chasing Proud Boys away.

They're there to protect Trump from Antifa.

Has Antifa been taking a nap?

Where is Antifa, DarrinS?

[Winehole23]

We had two white supremacist incels fail this week. One tried and failed to attack a federal building, the other failed to attack a synagogue.

Oh but det Antifa.

[spurraider21]

We had two white supremacist incels fail this week. One tried and failed to attack a federal building, the other fauled to attack a synagogue.

Oh but det Antifa.
wow! trump saved us from anitfa. he's the greatest!

[Winehole23]

Never mind the western chauvinist incels marching for Trump.

[Winehole23]

wow! trump saved us from anitfa. he's the greatest!He truly is the greatest in this best of all possible worlds.

There's no more racism, no more climate change, no more sexism and homophobia.

Anyone who says otherwise wants to destroy America and must be done away with.

[Spurminator]

If you seriously think Trump thinks neo Nazis are "very fine people", then I probably couldn't convince you otherwise.

He obviously sees them as important allies and voters, which is why he's been so careful not to hurt their feelings and why he's angry about social networks banning them.

[boutons_deux]

Joe Biden Is One of the Most Tone-Deaf Politicians in the History of Representative Government

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a28099882/joe-biden-poor-peoples-moral-action-congress-forum-speech/ (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a28099882/joe-biden-poor-peoples-moral-action-congress-forum-speech/)

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1141808838733119502

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1142568941539094529

[Will Hunting]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1142568941539094529
Jesus fucking Christ :lmao

The sad part is that Biden is winnin in the polls primarily because of black people.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1143631889753751552

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1143631889753751552

Chris, what you're trying doesn't work if the guy you prop up so much does this but at a higher scale.

Also he keeps most of that money for himself since he always holds one of these fundraisers at one of his hotels or Mar-A-Lago.

:lol

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1143631889753751552
https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/f0649ca/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-origin-images.politico.com%2F2013%2F05%2F06%2F130506_joe_ biden_ap_605.jpg

"ORANGE MAN BAD!"

[AaronY]

Jesus fucking Christ :lmao

The sad part is that Biden is winnin in the polls primarily because of black people.
Imagine being a democrat and shitting on black people all the time lmao. We would win like 2 states without them. Like being a 1990s Chicago Bulls and thinking Michael Jordan sucks

[Will Hunting]

Imagine being a democrat and shitting on black people all the time lmao. We would win like 2 states without them. Like being a 1990s Chicago Bulls and thinking Michael Jordan sucks
Biden has made a career of shitting on black people with mass incarceration and they still support him :lol

[AaronY]

Anyways came here to post this lmao

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-ETHd8W4AEEGWT?format=jpg&name=large


Can't wait to hear how this all Donna Brazille's fault lol.

[Chucho]

Jesus fucking Christ :lmao

The sad part is that Biden is winnin in the polls primarily because of black people.

That LBJ prophecy, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

Anyways came here to post this lmao

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-ETHd8W4AEEGWT?format=jpg&name=large


Can't wait to hear how this all Donna Brazille's fault lol.
If 200 days from now this is still how Biden is polling in popularity then I’d concede he’s a better candidate than Bernie. I still think he hasn’t really been tested though, right now he’s polling well as the happy slappy Vice President with the likable personality but no real substance.

More notable though is how much that poll spells disaster for Warren, imo.

[boutons_deux]

The tax deal Biden touted as a major win was a giant betrayal of Democratic values (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/28/1868050/-The-tax-deal-Biden-touted-as-a-major-win-was-a-giant-betrayal-of-Democratic-values)

Biden offered (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/us/politics/transcript-debate.html), "I got Mitch McConnell to raise taxes $600 billion by raising the top rate."

"The deal that he talked about with Mitch McConnell was a complete victory for the Tea Party," Bennet charged,

noting that it extended the Bush tax cuts permanently.

"The Democratic Party had been running against that for 10 years.

We’ve lost that economic argument because

that deal extended almost all those Bush tax cuts permanently and

put in place the mindless cuts that we still are dealing with today that are called the sequester.

That was a great deal for Mitch McConnell. [...] It was a terrible deal for America."

The Obama White House first capitulated on extending the Bush tax cuts in late 2010, cutting a deal to extend them by another two years.

that capitulation set up Biden's ultimate giveaway to the GOP toward the end of 2012.

Reid had resolved to let all the tax cuts expire on everyone (the so-called “fiscal cliff”) and

then negotiate with Republicans to restore some of those tax cuts to working-class and middle-class Americans while letting tax rates rise for the richest Americans.

But the bottom line is,

McConnell went behind Reid's back to negotiate directly with Biden because he knew he could get a better deal. And he did.
The deal Biden cut was

to make all of the tax cuts permanent in exchange for a two-month extension on sequestration,

which was going to force across-the-board spending cuts to the entire federal budget.

the deal sucked. It was a gross tactical miscalculation that left Republicans with a much better bargaining hand.

Biden’s deal ultimately hamstrung Democratic priorities and set us on the path to the ballooning deficit and debt we are experiencing today.

Biden is now selling his bipartisan deal-making skills as a central justification for his candidacy.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1868050

[AaronY]

The tax deal Biden touted as a major win was a giant betrayal of Democratic values (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/28/1868050/-The-tax-deal-Biden-touted-as-a-major-win-was-a-giant-betrayal-of-Democratic-values)

Biden offered (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/us/politics/transcript-debate.html), "I got Mitch McConnell to raise taxes $600 billion by raising the top rate."

"The deal that he talked about with Mitch McConnell was a complete victory for the Tea Party," Bennet charged,

noting that it extended the Bush tax cuts permanently.

"The Democratic Party had been running against that for 10 years.

We’ve lost that economic argument because

that deal extended almost all those Bush tax cuts permanently and

put in place the mindless cuts that we still are dealing with today that are called the sequester.

That was a great deal for Mitch McConnell. [...] It was a terrible deal for America."

The Obama White House first capitulated on extending the Bush tax cuts in late 2010, cutting a deal to extend them by another two years.

that capitulation set up Biden's ultimate giveaway to the GOP toward the end of 2012.

Reid had resolved to let all the tax cuts expire on everyone (the so-called “fiscal cliff”) and

then negotiate with Republicans to restore some of those tax cuts to working-class and middle-class Americans while letting tax rates rise for the richest Americans.

But the bottom line is,

McConnell went behind Reid's back to negotiate directly with Biden because he knew he could get a better deal. And he did.
The deal Biden cut was

to make all of the tax cuts permanent in exchange for a two-month extension on sequestration,

which was going to force across-the-board spending cuts to the entire federal budget.

the deal sucked. It was a gross tactical miscalculation that left Republicans with a much better bargaining hand.

Biden’s deal ultimately hamstrung Democratic priorities and set us on the path to the ballooning deficit and debt we are experiencing today.

Biden is now selling his bipartisan deal-making skills as a central justification for his candidacy.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1868050








Boutons I dont read ur posts but I assume this is about Obama extending the Bush era tax cuts again. I mean we know you are fucking retarded but this has been explained to you like you are a 4 year old child many times..the alternative was letting the tax cuts expire right before the 2012 election and they would not have just expired on rich people but also on working class folks so it would have been political suicide.

[AaronY]

Also, boutons please keep shitting on Obama. I don't have much money to give to the Biden campaign..well thats not true Im just cheap..but this is about as good as me giving money to it

[boutons_deux]

“DEMOCRATS WANT A KILLER”:

KAMALA HARRIS EXPOSES A HARD TRUTH ABOUT BIDEN

Biden has always suffered from verbal incontinence and a lack of focused thought.

Kamala’s debate night attack was about as spontaneous as Liberation Day in North Korea.

But she also showed why she’s likely to be the nominee.

Trump wages hard campaigns, and Biden has lost a step.

Let’s admit at the outset that there’s no sport in picking on Joe Biden.

That’s like pressing on an air mattress after everyone has stabbed it.

Nor is there much new to say about why his campaign is doomed.

Excellent commentary on that has been circulating for months.

But sometimes a summing-up is helpful.

Today, with some polls showing (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/02/kamala-harris-iowa-polls-2020-election-1394937) California senator Kamala Harris zooming to near-parity with Biden,

thanks in part to a carefully scripted attack by the former on the latter in the first Democratic debate,

the inevitable has come into view even sooner than most people expected.

Cruelly, this candidacy was strongest without its candidate.

The more Biden is seen, the more his numbers drop.

Now the remaining mystery is the height of his floor.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/kamala-harris-exposes-a-hard-truth-about-biden?mbid=nl_th_5d1d28497b45b600093c8256&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_70519&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_70519&utm_term=VYF_Hive (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/kamala-harris-exposes-a-hard-truth-about-biden?mbid=nl_th_5d1d28497b45b600093c8256&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_70519&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_70519&utm_term=VYF_Hive)

[Winehole23]

HRC stopped giving press conferences and making campaign stops in 2016 because of the same observed pattern: wherever she went, people liked her less afterward.

[Reck]

If that's Kamala strategy she won't go anywhere.

If you think attacking someone in your own party non stop is a winning strategy you're going to lose. That will possibly work on a 1 on 1 with Trump but when you're eating your own, it just makes you look petty.

Basically Kamala wants to adopt the 2016 trump approach when he went after everyone within his own party.

[rmt]

If that's Kamala strategy she won't go anywhere.

If you think attacking someone in your own party non stop is a winning strategy you're going to lose. That will possibly work on a 1 on 1 with Trump but when you're eating your own, it just makes you look petty.

Basically Kamala wants to adopt the 2016 trump approach when he went after everyone within his own party.

Well, it worked for Trump didn't it?

[Pavlov]

I don't think being the angriest white guy will work for the Jamaican-Indian woman.

[boutons_deux]

Joe Biden is a Collaborator

It’s really quite simple:

the rogue oligarchs and corporations who now run this country constitute the enemy.

, Joe Biden, has actively collaborated

in the extreme capitalism, racism, nationalism, and

police state-ism that enable the oligarchs’ agenda; and

while most ably empowered by their instrument, the Republican Party, between times,

it is more than adequately carried out by the Democrats.

with a conservative majority Supreme Court, and

with a divided Congress where stasis rules,

is the Oligarchy’s ideal.

a proven collaborator must be installed, over the next twelve months, as the Democratic nominee in the 2020 tryst with their current champion

As parties are given free rein to engineer Congressional districts to maximize their advantage and be assured of ludicrous amounts of funding,

the last vestiges of representative democracy fall away.

The Democratic Party, despite its professed support of Labor and egalitarian social programs, is a tragically weak bulwark

Biden remains typical of the great, antediluvian Congressional horde.

His complicity in furthering the oligarchs’ agenda is well known.

He was complicit in the passage of the racist Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994;

complicit in Obama’s canny retention of private health insurers in the mix of the Affordable Care Act;

and complicit in the ACA’s denial of health services to ‘illegals’.

Biden is complicit too, in negotiating the passage of The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009,

designed to halt the Great Recession but which

ended up famously rewarding Wall Street and

punishing Main Street, and

which furthermore, permanently enshrined the ‘temporary’, highly regressive tax policies of the Republican, George W. Bush administration.

A notable win for the Oligarchy.

his intemperate denial of a fair hearing for Anita Hill

which resulted in the lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court of a highly reactionary Justice –

indicate both his racism and sexism.

the overt behavior of a revanchist collaborator, a confederate of the enemy.

His legislative and administrative impulses are to reclaim the worst of our colonial past and the worst of our superannuated attitudes of racism, sexism and jingoism.

Joe Biden is Trump without the flim-flam and without the social media reach.

Predictably, the Democratic Party’s establishment (the Democratic National Committee) loves Biden.

the people will once more be denied a choice.

It will be Tweedledum (R) and

the collaborationist Tweedledee (D) yet again.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/05/joe-biden-is-a-collaborator/

[Reck]

Well, it worked for Trump didn't it?

It worked for Trump because republican voters are bitter and angry about the world. Trump was the perfect storm for them.

[koriwhat]

It worked for Trump because republican voters are bitter and angry about the world. Trump was the perfect storm for them.

your interpretation being the bitchmade dude that you are trannyReck. that's the only truth around these parts tbh.

[Reck]

your interpretation being the bitchmade dude that you are trannyReck. that's the only truth around these parts tbh.

See? Koriwhat comes-a-rushing to prove me right.

:lol Raging lunatic

[koriwhat]

See? Koriwhat comes-a-rushing to prove me right.

:lol Raging lunatic

"...because republican voters..."

to prove you right you say? i voted for no one in 2016 so wtf are you even talking about?

on the flipside though you prove my theory right that you far-left loons are fucking retarded.

[pgardn]

All this blue team hand wringing.
They have to beat Donald fucking Trump.

That is all

[rmt]

All this blue team hand wringing.
They have to beat Donald fucking Trump.

That is all

Easy peasy since he's so horrible.

[pgardn]

Easy peasy since he's so horrible.

A below 40% approval rating with the economic numbers we have now?
Unprecedented.
The "common man" got his chance after bad black man and has thoroughly screwed the pooch.
He is a megalomaniac and a habitual liar. He cares about himself more than a country. good luck.
He goes down hard. Very hard.

You charge forward with Captain Bone Spurs leading you bravely into battle.

[rmt]

A below 40% approval rating with the economic numbers we have now?
Unprecedented.
The "common man" got his chance after bad black man and has thoroughly screwed the pooch.
He is a megalomaniac and a habitual liar. He cares about himself more than a country. good luck.
He goes down hard. Very hard.

You charge forward with Captain Bone Spurs leading you bravely into battle.

And pray tell - what is the alternative? Medicare for All (when Medicare [for seniors] benefits will be reduced to 89%? in 7 years time), free college, Green New Deal, reparations, etc - you think mainstream America is for these? Methinks some need to separate policies from personality.

BTW, Jimmy Carter had a stellar character - how'd he work out as president?

[ElNono]

Easy peasy since he's so horrible.

Pretty much. They haven't had such an easy prey (at least by the numbers) in a long time.

That said, it doesn't mean they can't fuck it up. ie: the current clown car of dem candidates is a fairly rough start.

[pgardn]

And pray tell - what is the alternative? Medicare for All (when Medicare [for seniors] benefits will be reduced to 89%? in 7 years time), free college, Green New Deal, reparations, etc - you think mainstream America is for these? Methinks some need to separate policies from personality.

BTW, Jimmy Carter had a stellar character - how'd he work out as president?

The alternatives will happen because we got an idiot in office now.
Carter. I take him over Trump any day. He inherited a tough situation and made some bad decisions. Better than a lying megalomaniac making bad decisions.

This will go down as one of the worst administrations in modern history.
And he is gone, no 2nd term, you wanted it you got it... the backlash awaits us.

[rmt]

The alternatives will happen because we got an idiot in office now.
Carter. I take him over Trump any day. He inherited a tough situation and made some bad decisions. Better than a lying megalomaniac making bad decisions.

This will go down as one of the worst administrations in modern history.
And he is gone, no 2nd term, you wanted it you got it... the backlash awaits us.

Please list Trump's bad decisions. Seems to me that we have jobs/low unemployment, 3.1 GDP and a booming stock market - I think most people usually vote their pocketbook but one never knows - obviously the Trump HATE is HIGH.

[Chris]

It worked for Trump because republican voters are bitter and angry about the world

lol wut

[boutons_deux]

"Please list Trump's bad decisions."

:lol

[rmt]

"Please list Trump's bad decisions."

:lol

List them - let's see what YOU and pgardn have. I also forgot to add the whopper to my (what is the alternative) list above - FREE healthcare for ILLEGALS so that US becomes even MORE of a magnet for the rest of the world.

[pgardn]

Please list Trump's bad decisions. Seems to me that we have jobs/low unemployment, 3.1 GDP and a booming stock market - I think most people usually vote their pocketbook but one never knows - obviously the Trump HATE is HIGH.

Not in any order and ONE of the most important.
Then you comment on each after I post.

1. We have a fantastic health care plan, the best health care plan. So instead of fixing Obamacare we get rid of it and replace it with our own. He decides he WILL NOT take on health care in any sustainable way. Health care has gotten worse. While he had the House, he decided to pass on his biggest promise.

Your comments. Then I will blast you out of the water and continue down the line.
Go.

[boutons_deux]

List anything that Trash has done right, then everything else he has done wrong, his entire fucking life.

[pgardn]

I will also list his bold faced lies that then lead to bad decisions.
You will comment on each.

[rmt]

Not in any order and ONE of the most important.
Then you comment on each after I post.

1. We have a fantastic health care plan, the best health care plan. So instead of fixing Obamacare we get rid of it and replace it with our own. He decides he WILL NOT take on health care in any sustainable way. Health care has gotten worse. While he had the House, he decided to pass on his biggest promise.

Your comments. Then I will blast you out of the water and continue down the line.
Go.

Oh no, you don't. YOU are the one who mentioned his bad decisionS. It's on you to list THEM. Not this single one - which was never his biggest promise - which I believe would be a tie between immigration and the economy. He decided to concentrate on the economy - knowing that is usually the biggest determinant in getting re-elected - and so far, it has worked - the deregulations, tax cut and working on trade pacts with China/Mexico, Canada, etc has brought a strong economy, low unemployment and high consumer confidence.

And please don't get me started on Obamacare. The very premise of its 10 essential benefits that every policy must have regardless of whether one can use it or not - is part of what blows cost out of the water. Why do you say that health care as gotten worse? Obamacare (as it was) robs the young (most of you on this board) to pay for the old and sick (me). Not having to pay the penalty and being able to buy short-term policies has been a relief to a lot of people who don't need/want to be paying the absurd premiums on the Obamacare website.

[rmt]

List anything that Trash has done right, then everything else he has done wrong, his entire fucking life.

Don't try to turn this on me, bou. Pgardn is the one who stated Trump made bad decisionS. It's not up to me to list what Trump has done right.

[rmt]

I will also list his bold faced lies that then lead to bad decisions.
You will comment on each.

Go ahead and list his lies (like other presidents don't also lie). I'd like to see any of his lies (like there were x hundreds of thousands at my inauguration) that carried the consequences and affected lives like Obama's "If you like your doctor, you'll get to keep your doctor. If you like your plan, you'll get to keep your plan."

[pgardn]

Oh no, you don't. YOU are the one who mentioned his bad decisionS. It's on you to list THEM. Not this single one - which was never his biggest promise - which I believe would be a tie between immigration and the economy. He decided to concentrate on the economy - knowing that is usually the biggest determinant in getting re-elected - and so far, it has worked - the deregulations, tax cut and working on trade pacts with China/Mexico, Canada, etc has brought a strong economy, low unemployment and high consumer confidence.

And please don't get me started on Obamacare. The very premise of its 10 essential benefits that every policy must have regardless of whether one can use it or not - is part of what blows cost out of the water. Why do you say that health care as gotten worse? Obamacare (as it was) robs the young (most of you on this board) to pay for the old and sick (me). Not having to pay the penalty and being able to buy short-term policies has been a relief to a lot of people who don't need/want to be paying the absurd premiums on the Obamacare website.

Did he not decide to take on health care?
He said he was. Then he quit.

Dont be a sniveling bitch.
Did this board turn you into that?
Take your medicine, don’t wimp out like other ignorant posters here.

Repeal and Replace. That was His decision. He did not fix what could have been fixed. That was his decision. You think you can separate this and you are being highly disingenuous because you trapped yourself.

[pgardn]

Please now admit he has done nothing to effective lower costs by deciding to only repeal.

And then we will move along a GIANT list of decisions.

[pgardn]

Go ahead and list his lies (like other presidents don't also lie). I'd like to see any of his lies (like there were x hundreds of thousands at my inauguration) that carried the consequences and affected lives like Obama's "If you like your doctor, you'll get to keep your doctor. If you like your plan, you'll get to keep your plan."

Oh, now everybody does it.... good stuff.

You are so sad.
Not even close to his scale and straight into a camera. Just like Blowjob Clinton, except every other day.

[pgardn]

Next, infrastructure.

[rmt]

Did he not decide to take on health care?
He said he was. Then he quit.

Dont be a sniveling bitch.
Did this board turn you into that?
Take your medicine, don’t wimp out like other ignorant posters here.

Repeal and Replace. That was His decision. He did not fix what could have been fixed. That was his decision. You think you can separate this and you are being highly disingenuous because you trapped yourself.

I don't blame Trump on health care - at least he tried. I blame McCain and his thumbs down - talk about vindictive whatever the masculine version of the bolded is.

And if you think that Medicare for All is the solution, please think again. If seniors have contributed their entire working life and tap into Medicare at age 65 and this government-run system is still in trouble (89%? of benefits in 7 years), why would ANYONE think that government-run healthcare for EVERYONE (including illegals) from BIRTH on would work? Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me.

This board didn't turn me into anything - time AWAY from this board and its constant bickering and negativity is excellent for overall mental and emotional well-being. Try it.

[rmt]

Please now admit he has done nothing to effective lower costs by deciding to only repeal.

And then we will move along a GIANT list of decisions.

Trump has gotten rid of the individual mandate - that has lowered costs for those who CHOOSE not to get health care. Trump has made short-term plans legal - that has lowered costs for those who don't WANT/NEED full-blown Obamacare plans (with their high premiums and deductibles).

[pgardn]

I don't blame Trump on health care - at least he tried. I blame McCain and his thumbs down - talk about vindictive whatever the masculine version of the bolded is.

And if you think that Medicare for All is the solution, please think again. If seniors have contributed their entire working life and tap into Medicare at age 65 and this government-run system is still in trouble (89%? of benefits in 7 years), why would ANYONE think that government-run healthcare for EVERYONE (including illegals) from BIRTH on would work? Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me.

This board didn't turn me into anything - time AWAY from this board and its constant bickering and negativity is excellent for overall mental and emotional well-being. Try it.

So you know how much I visit this board? Time wise?
Tell me.

And I retract the b word but you were at least one person who worked for a campaign and actually took part in the process of showing that a democratic process can elect an idiot.

I said nothing about medicare etc... Your man and the red team had a plan.
But they lied and did not. Instead of working to fix it they ditched the whole thing and just worked on destroying.
Now its worse.
I think older folks need to get back into some sort of work if they can. Preferably charity if they can. Thats my first thought on health for those that still have it and are old.
But the granny DJ commercials inhibit that. They are told they need to be lying on some beach drinking stuff with paper umbrellas adorning it.

Now off to ride and then kayak with the dog.
You should try exercising. (See I can pretend I know and dont know what you do.)

[rmt]

Next, infrastructure.

Wait a minute. You did not state how health care has gotten worse.


Health care has gotten worse.

[pgardn]

Wait a minute. You did not state how health care has gotten worse.

Costs are still out of control.
One small example. My dad has no idea what his drug plan will be month to month.
There is no way for him to plan a budget with the drug market wildly changing costs at a moments notice, no reason, no nothing.

I will continue with even more if you want after I return.
Start researching infrastructure since you dont accept one answer and either will I because its an ENORMOUS list.

[boutons_deux]

CDC: 1.1 million more Americans lost health insurance coverage in 2018


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/09/health-insurance-1-1-million-more-americans-lost-coverage-2018/1140304001/

[rmt]

So you know how much I visit this board? Time wise?
Tell me.

And I retract the b word but you were at least one person who worked for a campaign and actually took part in the process of showing that a democratic process can elect an idiot.

I said nothing about medicare etc... Your man and the red team had a plan.
But they lied and did not. Instead of working to fix it they ditched the whole thing and just worked on destroying.
Now its worse.
I think older folks need to get back into some sort of work if they can. Preferably charity if they can. Thats my first thought on health for those that still have it and are old.
But the granny DJ commercials inhibit that. They are told they need to be lying on some beach drinking stuff with paper umbrellas adorning it.

Now off to ride and then kayak with the dog.
You should try exercising. (See I can pretend I know and dont know what you do.)

Just to be clear - my "vindictive" reference to the masculine b word is in reference to McCain - not you (not quite sure if I was clear there).

I have no illusions as to what Trump is. Idiot is not a word I would use for him - maybe ignorant - especially to traditional political topics (constitution, laws, history - he obviously is not a scholar). But that is not what Trump voters wanted - they wanted someone practical who would try to fix what is going wrong in this country. And stellar characters/Christians like Jimmy Carter or to a lesser extent a typical republican like Pence - just can't hack it (care too much/can't take the heat).

Didn't this argument start with beating Trump and aren't all those who are running to be the Democrat nominee for Medicare for All/free health care for illegals? Maybe I'm mistaken and I didn't see all those hands raising in the debate. Obviously, nothing legislatively is going to get passed - (except the prison reform thingy) in this partisan atmosphere - for heavens sake, they couldn't even all agree on sending aid to the border. And especially not on something as divisive (and HUGE) as health care.

I have no idea what granny DJ commercials are and you still haven't said how health care is now worse.

[rmt]

CDC: 1.1 million more Americans lost health insurance coverage in 2018


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/09/health-insurance-1-1-million-more-americans-lost-coverage-2018/1140304001/



Really, bou - some are probably through CHOICE (repeal of individual mandate) or short-term plans (probably not counted if not for entire year). And I take issue with:

"Derksen said a strong economy means more low-income people probably moved from Medicaid coverage to health insurance through a job. . That won't necessarily make health care more affordable for those whose health plans shift costs to them through higher deductibles and co-payments." Like one shouldn't take a job because Obamacare/Medicaid incentivizes people to stay on through subsidies/freeness?

[rmt]

Costs are still out of control.
One small example. My dad has no idea what his drug plan will be month to month.
There is no way for him to plan a budget with the drug market wildly changing costs at a moments notice, no reason, no nothing.

I will continue with even more if you want after I return.
Start researching infrastructure since you dont accept one answer and either will I because its an ENORMOUS list.

Costs are always going to be out of control partly because (for the sake of equality) Obamacare mandates that EVERY policy carry essential benefits that people CANNOT use. Your dad should be grateful that under Obamacare, old people can only be charged 3 times that of a 21 year old (instead of 5 times) - that lowers his cost (and probably raises the 21 year old's cost). OTOH, he should thumbs down Obamacare because he is paying for maternity benefits, pediatric dental and vision and the same as a woman his age who probably consumes more health care dollars than he does.

President Donald Trump said he’s preparing an executive order declaring a “favored nations clause” for drug prices.
Under this system, patients in the U.S. would pay no more than the country with the lowest prescription drug prices.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/05/trump-administration-preparing-drug-price-executive-order.html

My time (on this board) is up - maybe we can continue this next weekend. Alas, we are in the middle of Wimbledon - go Federer.

[ElNono]

Oh, now everybody does it.... good stuff.

You are so sad.
Not even close to his scale and straight into a camera. Just like Blowjob Clinton, except every other day.

:lol @ trying to pass torpedoing Barrycare as choice/cost-savings. You have to be some special kind of dumb.

On top of that, the farce comes out. Voted for Trump because he was an 'outsider' and tired of the 'lying political class'. Now that Trump lies through his nose, it's whataboutism, "It's ok, other guys do it too". :lol

The reason the prez got her vote is because he had an (R) next to his name. There's really no other reason, and it would save a lot of time if people like her just owned that they're just mental midgets that will vote for the 'team', instead of trying to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify it.

[Will Hunting]

The reason the prez got her vote is because he had an (R) next to his name. There's really no other reason, and it would save a lot of time if people like her just owned that they're just mental midgets that will vote for the 'team', instead of trying to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify it.
This is why the Republican candidate wins among registered independents every election no matter what. A lot of Republicans for whatever reason won't just admit to being a Republican.

[ElNono]

This is why the Republican candidate wins among registered independents every election no matter what. A lot of Republicans for whatever reason won't just admit to being a Republican.

I remember Wild Chodebra would always deny being a Republican, instead he always claimed to be anti-Democrat. Unfortunately, that wasn't the stupidest thing he ever said. :lol

[boutons_deux]

"Costs are always going to be out of control partly because (for the sake of equality) Obamacare mandates that EVERY policy carry essential benefits that people CANNOT use."

goddamn, you're so infinitely full of bullshit

Costs HAVE BEEN out of control, are, and will be because US health care is predatorily, Capitalistically, extractively for-profit, NOT for-health-care.

Has FUCK ALL to do with Obamacare's mandated coverages.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1148279575769747456?s=19

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1148279575769747456?s=19What is your conspiracy theory here, Qhris?

[Reck]

So Biden is apologizing after letting the segregation thing hanging for like 2 weeks.

At this rate, he wont even make it till the end of the year. Gaffes followed by apologies right after the other. :lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealKyleMorris/status/1149004723305013248

:lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1149025754916765696

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1149025754916765696

C'mon man...

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1149387779748458496

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1149814108377587712

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1149814108377587712Now they'll surely vote for Trump!

[Winehole23]

Biden is a more charismatic speaker and more engaging than Clinton. People ignore how bad and uninspiring she was. Politicians have proven over and over again speaking ability and charisma matters more than policy evenIckesian reptoid overlord. Is the top half of his face paralysed?
Bidwn sounded more robotic than sincere, IMO.

[koriwhat]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1149814108377587712

ahahaha looks like the old crypt keeper needs to take some more hair from his ass and plug it up on the back of his head; hey it worked for the front so why not?

:lmao poor old biden had to change his tune for his run to the presidency.

[koriwhat]

Biden is a more charismatic speaker and more engaging than Clinton. People ignore how bad and uninspiring she was. Politicians have proven over and over again speaking ability and charisma matters more than policy even

yep, exactly what huxley said would sell the people on a candidate no matter their policies or their nefarious ways. Ex; obama.

[Chris]

ahahaha looks like the old crypt keeper needs to take some more hair from his ass and plug it up on the back of his head; hey it worked for the front so why not?

:lmao poor old biden had to change his tune for his run to the presidency.

Poor fella can't openly fondle prepubescent girls anymore. What a shame.

[AaronY]

Poor fella can't openly fondle prepubescent girls anymore. What a shame.
This is not a Trump thread so not sure why you're bringing him into this tbh I mean if we were talking about Epstein Island or sneaking into backstages at teen beauty pageant dressing rooms maybe

[AaronY]

tRuMp fAnS SeIzInG dAt MoRaL hIgH GrOuNd

[AaronY]

Ickesian reptoid overlord. Is the top half of his face paralysed?
Bidwn sounded more robotic than sincere, IMO.
oh, ok.

[Chris]

orange man bad

We know.

[rmt]

Why the House plans to pass a bipartisan bill repealing a controversial Obamacare tax

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/17/20697690/house-bipartisan-bill-repeal-obamacare-cadillac-tax

[rmt]

Did Trump just save ObamaCare? Final HRA Rule is a rare bipartisan win for American workers

In 2014, regulators at the IRS got hung up on their interpretations of how an HRA should be treated under ObamaCare’s rules, and began threatening penalties of up to $36,500 a year per employee for businesses that offered HRAs to their workers in lieu of a small group plan – that’s 18 times the penalty for dropping coverage altogether.

At Take Command Health, we (Hooper) witnessed the carnage in the market first-hand. Small employers who were genuinely trying to help their employees pay for coverage were suddenly faced with penalties that were worse than if they did nothing. HRAs had become commonplace, but now were being removed by regulators in a dark room.

Last month, the Trump administration built on those efforts by issuing a final rule to further expand HRA plans – extending their availability to businesses of all sizes and ensuring that they can be used to purchase individual health coverage, within or outside of the ObamaCare markets.

Treasury Department estimates show that the rule, which creates the new Individual Coverage HRA and the Excepted Benefit HRA, could benefit more than 11 million workers and family members, including some 800,000 Americans who were previously uninsured. Take Command Health has estimated that these numbers could be even higher – closer to 50 million.

The irony? President Obama struggled to reach enrollment targets in the individual market and President Trump has been portrayed as seeking to undermine it. With this policy, however, HRAs will now allow employees to purchase coverage on the individual market – boosting enrollment and driving healthy market competition. In this, it supports a key goal of the ACA: protecting more Americans from going it alone in managing their health care costs.

For employees at a workplace offering HRAs, the administration’s rule means the opportunity to make coverage decisions based on their needs and their pocketbook, rather than based on the decision of their employer.

For the 80 percent of workers at firms offering health benefits that still provide an “option” of only one health plan, it means a welcome opportunity for change.

And for employers, this regulatory clarity expands options and lifts the threat of punishing fines simply for offering choices in health coverage to their workers.

What’s more, the administration’s rule includes important guardrails to prevent adverse selection and protect those with preexisting conditions.

Empowering employers and employees with policies that allow them to make their own coverage decisions is the first step in repairing our insurance markets. The diverse cross-section of workers and families that we reach through our combined efforts on a daily basis tells us this is precisely the shock to the system that the health care marketplace needs.

On behalf of the millions helped by this rule, we’re glad that Washington is starting to feel the same.

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/455015-did-trump-just-save-obamacare-final-hra-rule-is-a-rare

And people say Trump isn't doing anything for healthcare. Of course, this rule gets NO publicity.

[Pavlov]

Did Trump just save ObamaCare? Final HRA Rule is a rare bipartisan win for American workers

In 2014, regulators at the IRS got hung up on their interpretations of how an HRA should be treated under ObamaCare’s rules, and began threatening penalties of up to $36,500 a year per employee for businesses that offered HRAs to their workers in lieu of a small group plan – that’s 18 times the penalty for dropping coverage altogether.

At Take Command Health, we (Hooper) witnessed the carnage in the market first-hand. Small employers who were genuinely trying to help their employees pay for coverage were suddenly faced with penalties that were worse than if they did nothing. HRAs had become commonplace, but now were being removed by regulators in a dark room.

Last month, the Trump administration built on those efforts by issuing a final rule to further expand HRA plans – extending their availability to businesses of all sizes and ensuring that they can be used to purchase individual health coverage, within or outside of the ObamaCare markets.

Treasury Department estimates show that the rule, which creates the new Individual Coverage HRA and the Excepted Benefit HRA, could benefit more than 11 million workers and family members, including some 800,000 Americans who were previously uninsured. Take Command Health has estimated that these numbers could be even higher – closer to 50 million.

The irony? President Obama struggled to reach enrollment targets in the individual market and President Trump has been portrayed as seeking to undermine it. With this policy, however, HRAs will now allow employees to purchase coverage on the individual market – boosting enrollment and driving healthy market competition. In this, it supports a key goal of the ACA: protecting more Americans from going it alone in managing their health care costs.

For employees at a workplace offering HRAs, the administration’s rule means the opportunity to make coverage decisions based on their needs and their pocketbook, rather than based on the decision of their employer.

For the 80 percent of workers at firms offering health benefits that still provide an “option” of only one health plan, it means a welcome opportunity for change.

And for employers, this regulatory clarity expands options and lifts the threat of punishing fines simply for offering choices in health coverage to their workers.

What’s more, the administration’s rule includes important guardrails to prevent adverse selection and protect those with preexisting conditions.

Empowering employers and employees with policies that allow them to make their own coverage decisions is the first step in repairing our insurance markets. The diverse cross-section of workers and families that we reach through our combined efforts on a daily basis tells us this is precisely the shock to the system that the health care marketplace needs.

On behalf of the millions helped by this rule, we’re glad that Washington is starting to feel the same.

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/455015-did-trump-just-save-obamacare-final-hra-rule-is-a-rare

And people say Trump isn't doing anything for healthcare. Of course, this rule gets NO publicity.deckchairs

[ElNono]

Did Trump just save ObamaCare? Final HRA Rule is a rare bipartisan win for American workers

...

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/455015-did-trump-just-save-obamacare-final-hra-rule-is-a-rare

And people say Trump isn't doing anything for healthcare. Of course, this rule gets NO publicity.

Actually, it doesn't solve anything. HRAs do nothing to control costs. Furthermore, in an insurace-driven market, HRAs only fragment the market more, creating more individual users that have much less leverage than a group. This is good news for insurance companies, and that's about it.

(Which doesn't mean the ACA is or was great, it suffered from the same flaws, but the hesitation about the HRAs had more to do with wanting larger groups with leverage than smaller individuals).

To Trump's credit, he did want to reform healthcare, but it was Congress that didn't make it happen.

[boutons_deux]

Medicare for all would remove the perversion of companies "offering" health insurance at all.

But America can't Do The Right Thing, can't fix its shit, while the oligarchy/Repugs make everything shittier.

"To Trump's credit, he did want to reform healthcare" Nothing he's cheap-talked about made healthcare better, "reformed" to be worse.

eg, he has made "junk plans" available again, where medical catastrophes dump the costs onto taxpayers' providers, while the insured get a cheap ride.

[rmt]

Actually, it doesn't solve anything. HRAs do nothing to control costs. Furthermore, in an insurace-driven market, HRAs only fragment the market more, creating more individual users that have much less leverage than a group. This is good news for insurance companies, and that's about it.

(Which doesn't mean the ACA is or was great, it suffered from the same flaws, but the hesitation about the HRAs had more to do with wanting larger groups with leverage than smaller individuals).

To Trump's credit, he did want to reform healthcare, but it was Congress that didn't make it happen.

Maybe you missed the previous "threatening penalties of up to $36,500 a year per employee" that would just kill any employer's wish to try to provide healthcare to employees.

Do you think that healthcare is only about costs? There is that little thing called choice too - crazy how that word "choice" is so important to some in some cases but meaningless in others. It would put pre-tax dollars in the hands of the employee to make the choices best for employee and family (imo, the most efficient and COST-EFFECTIVE way of reducing healthcare costs see my example of DirectLab's CWP for $69 in December) - that choice/shopping around will hopefully cause costs to decrease because of competition.

Hospital prices, healthcare providers/insurers to provide out-of-pocket prices before receipt of services:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/06/24/735432387/trump-administration-pushes-to-make-health-care-pricing-more-transparent

Reduce drug prices:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-blueprint-lower-drug-prices/

Trump's attempt to allow small companies to band together got struck down by a court in March - this rule together with the above HRA rule would have moved the needle on getting many covered and reducing costs.

[boutons_deux]

How Biden’s Secret 2002 Meetings Led to War in Iraq

In 2002, Biden was the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Following 9/11, he conducted the “Hearings to Examine Threats, Responses and Regional Considerations Surrounding Iraq (https://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/COFRUSSiraqhearing.pdf)” on July 31 and August 1, 2002.

At the time, Biden classified the meeting as secret and did not allow public review or attendance.

Review of the entire transcript revealed there was no real evidence whatsoever that Iraq was a threat to the U.S. or was in possession of WMDs.

Nothing in the transcript provided any evidence that Iraq was a threat. It was all historical and conjecture about the meaning of Saddam Hussein’s speeches.

In September 2002, Biden spoke (https://www.c-span.org/video/?173118-1/senate-session) before the Senate and made a case for war against Iraq. He followed that with a nearly one-hour Senate discourse (https://www.c-span.org/video/?173118-1/senate-session) supporting the war on October 9, 2002.

It was Biden’s inference in this Senate presentation that suggested Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD) threat in mainstream discourse.

Biden conducted a secret meeting in which his star witness hadn’t been in Iraq for eight years. He concluded Iraq was a threat in spite of evidence to the contrary.

The mainstream media cooperated by not even reviewing the transcript of this meeting at the time.

https://truthout.org/articles/how-bidens-secret-2002-meetings-led-to-war-in-iraq/ (https://truthout.org/articles/how-bidens-secret-2002-meetings-led-to-war-in-iraq/)

[Thread]

How Biden’s Secret 2002 Meetings Led to War in Iraq

In 2002, Biden was the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Following 9/11, he conducted the “Hearings to Examine Threats, Responses and Regional Considerations Surrounding Iraq (https://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/COFRUSSiraqhearing.pdf)” on July 31 and August 1, 2002.

At the time, Biden classified the meeting as secret and did not allow public review or attendance.

Review of the entire transcript revealed there was no real evidence whatsoever that Iraq was a threat to the U.S. or was in possession of WMDs.

Nothing in the transcript provided any evidence that Iraq was a threat. It was all historical and conjecture about the meaning of Saddam Hussein’s speeches.

In September 2002, Biden spoke (https://www.c-span.org/video/?173118-1/senate-session) before the Senate and made a case for war against Iraq. He followed that with a nearly one-hour Senate discourse (https://www.c-span.org/video/?173118-1/senate-session) supporting the war on October 9, 2002.

It was Biden’s inference in this Senate presentation that suggested Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD) threat in mainstream discourse.

Biden conducted a secret meeting in which his star witness hadn’t been in Iraq for eight years. He concluded Iraq was a threat in spite of evidence to the contrary.

The mainstream media cooperated by not even reviewing the transcript of this meeting at the time.

https://truthout.org/articles/how-bidens-secret-2002-meetings-led-to-war-in-iraq/ (https://truthout.org/articles/how-bidens-secret-2002-meetings-led-to-war-in-iraq/)



He's all ya got, bouts. Go ahead & try someone other than him. You won't believe what'll happen even as it's happening.

[ElNono]

Maybe you missed the previous "threatening penalties of up to $36,500 a year per employee" that would just kill any employer's wish to try to provide healthcare to employees.

Do you think that healthcare is only about costs? There is that little thing called choice too - crazy how that word "choice" is so important to some in some cases but meaningless in others. It would put pre-tax dollars in the hands of the employee to make the choices best for employee and family (imo, the most efficient and COST-EFFECTIVE way of reducing healthcare costs see my example of DirectLab's CWP for $69 in December) - that choice/shopping around will hopefully cause costs to decrease because of competition.

Hospital prices, healthcare providers/insurers to provide out-of-pocket prices before receipt of services:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/06/24/735432387/trump-administration-pushes-to-make-health-care-pricing-more-transparent

Reduce drug prices:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-blueprint-lower-drug-prices/

Trump's attempt to allow small companies to band together got struck down by a court in March - this rule together with the above HRA rule would have moved the needle on getting many covered and reducing costs.

I did read it. "threatening" is not actually issuing penalties, and AFAIK, nobody got penalized for that in the following 5 years, so the point is moot.

In the US specifically, healthcare is absolutely all about costs. When the actual prices are unchecked, that affects everything from premiums, coverage, access, etc no matter what "choice" you make on which insurance company is going to represent your interests.

The "choice" you're talking about has nothing to do with service providers or drug makers, and doesn't move the needle at all with actual healthcare costs. If a drug maker decides a drug dose is worth $1m, your insurance co is going to fight you tooth and nail not to cover, because it can't do shit to the maker.
And if they have to pay, premiums are going up, and that in turn reduces access (people that can actually afford the premium, and go without insurance). If they don't pay, they just de-factor reduced your coverage, and won't pay for the drug you need.

This is basically at the center of the problem of healthcare in America, and ACA didn't address it at all. We keep punting addressing the actual problem, and instead keep putting lipstick on a pig with HRAs and gimmicks that do nothing to actually address the main problem.

[ElNono]

And if you think the $1m is hyperbole, check this out:

$2.1 million drug to treat rare genetic disease approved by FDA
The drug, Zolgensma, is being called a "miracle drug" and will be used to treat children with spinal muscular atrophy, or SMA.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/2-1-million-drug-treat-rare-genetic-disease-approved-fda-n1009956

EDIT: UnitedHealthcare obviously declined to pick up the tab until it was publicly shamed to reverse it's decision.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/2-1-million-price-tag-families-fight-get-lifesaving-drug-n1033596

[DMX7]

Biden will do what the left wants him to do while in office. To tar and feather him now is incredibly stupid. He can beat Trump if that's what liberals are looking for in a candidate.

[boutons_deux]

Biden will do what the left wants him to do while in office.

:lol G M A F B

Biden is puro Dem establishment, he DEFINES it.

Progressives won't get anything from Biden,

if any bill actually gets out of terminally constipated Congress.

[DMX7]

:lol G M A F B

Biden is puro Dem establishment, he DEFINES it.

Progressives won't get anything from Biden,

if any bill actually gets out of terminally constipated Congress.

Progressives don't run the Democratic party anymore. Moreover, most of the Democratic candidates are proposing fantasies and not actual policies. Without a supermajority in the Senate, it will all get crushed.

[Thread]

Progressives don't run the Democratic party anymore. Moreover, most of the Democratic candidates are proposing fantasies and not actual policies. Without a supermajority in the Senate, it will all get crushed.

...cept for that video of them all raising their hands at the query of should illegals get free health care.

tee, hee.

[boutons_deux]

Progressives don't run the Democratic party anymore.

of course not. eg, Clinton signed FIVE major bills that were conservatives/oligarchy long-time strategy

Progress, solutions, problems solved, making life better, even infrastructure maintenance, are no longer possible in USA, now in permanent decline.

[DMX7]

...cept for that video of them all raising their hands at the query of should illegals get free health care.

tee, hee.

That's not progressive. It's stupid.

[Thread]

That's not progressive. It's stupid.

Nonetheless it's on tape and will come in handy next year.

[boutons_deux]

How an early Biden crime bill created the sentencing disparity for crack and cocaine trafficking

,a little-noticed provision in the law came to be viewed as

one of the most racially slanted sentencing policies on record:

a rule that treated crack cocaine as significantly worse than powder cocaine and

ended up disproportionately punishing African Americans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-an-early-biden-crime-bill-created-the-sentencing-disparity-for-crack-and-cocaine-trafficking/2019/07/28/5cbb4c98-9dcf-11e9-85d6-5211733f92c7_story.html?utm_term=.2703c424a1f0&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-an-early-biden-crime-bill-created-the-sentencing-disparity-for-crack-and-cocaine-trafficking/2019/07/28/5cbb4c98-9dcf-11e9-85d6-5211733f92c7_story.html?utm_term=.2703c424a1f0&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

[DMX7]

Nonetheless it's on tape and will come in handy next year.

Yeah, it probably will.

[DMX7]

How an early Biden crime bill created the sentencing disparity for crack and cocaine trafficking

,a little-noticed provision in the law came to be viewed as

one of the most racially slanted sentencing policies on record:

a rule that treated crack cocaine as significantly worse than powder cocaine and

ended up disproportionately punishing African Americans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-an-early-biden-crime-bill-created-the-sentencing-disparity-for-crack-and-cocaine-trafficking/2019/07/28/5cbb4c98-9dcf-11e9-85d6-5211733f92c7_story.html?utm_term=.2703c424a1f0&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-an-early-biden-crime-bill-created-the-sentencing-disparity-for-crack-and-cocaine-trafficking/2019/07/28/5cbb4c98-9dcf-11e9-85d6-5211733f92c7_story.html?utm_term=.2703c424a1f0&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)






You won't be voting for the president of 1993 but for the president of 2021. This kind of dwelling on the past is what got Hillary beat. You need to look forward, not back. Biden is not a racist even if his policy from back then didn't work out well.

[Thread]

You won't be voting for the president of 1993 but for the president of 2021. This kind of dwelling on the past is what got Hillary beat. You need to look forward, not back. Biden is not a racist even if his policy from back then didn't work out well.

...how's Joe gonna explain raising his hand in agreement to give illegals free health care?

[Reck]

...how's Joe gonna explain raising his hand in agreement to give illegals free health care?

Does Obamacare does that now?

[boutons_deux]

You won't be voting for the president of 1993 but for the president of 2021. This kind of dwelling on the past is what got Hillary beat. You need to look forward, not back. Biden is not a racist even if his policy from back then didn't work out well.

he was on the make in '80s and '90s, and racism and misogyny (anita hill) were steps on his ladder.

And can't write it off as "errors of youth"

Biden is full blown, old, white, center-right, bigdollar Dem establishment tool who doesn't have any progressive reflexes.

He may make progressive campaign noises, but in office, nada.

[DMX7]

he was on the make in '80s and '90s, and racism and misogyny (anita hill) were steps on his ladder.

And can't write it off as "errors of youth"

Biden is full blown, old, white, center-right, bigdollar Dem establishment tool who doesn't have any progressive reflexes.

He may make progressive campaign noises, but in office, nada.

Biden will be very similar to Obama which is just fine to many people who did well under Obama. Given the national debt, we can't afford the progressive ideas like wiping away student debt, universal healthcare, etc. even if tax rates are restored to pre-Trump levels.

[Reck]

Boots is madder about the Anita hill stuff than Anita Hill. :lol

[boutons_deux]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-4124367179401772565&th=16c3f0ae9831695b&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ_37af5grJpbYAeAAhuT7XSF_G8L66GaLtV2Gt awfVSRBsR7dVIT7s3MsWcQKxA4FZ1SGQ6G-FMoj-htfzwXAsAW7FiM1Ya7d5eOFdG1UKXnRQssCxDNppM9s0&disp=emb&realattid=ii_jyoqpeoy0

[Thread]

Does Obamacare does that now?

Does it? He did raise his hand with every other asshole in the line. He'll have to answer for that on the other side of New Years Day.

It ain't (Willie Horton) good, nor "Snoopy" in a tank good, but, it'll serve quite splendidly.

[Reck]

Does it? He did raise his hand with every other asshole in the line. He'll have to answer for that on the other side of New Years Day.

It ain't (Willie Horton) good, nor "Snoopy" in a tank good, but, it'll serve quite splendidly.

I dont know.

But if it doesn't then why would he raise his hands when he's on the record saying he wants to keep his daddy's policy in place?

[Thread]

Boots is madder about the Anita hill stuff than Anita Hill. :lol

He's trying to rewrite history knowing that Thomas can't get down into the shit with 'em & defend himself. & they'd figured by banishing Bork to the cornfield they'd won.

Uh, uh.

What I'd like to do is see RBG sitting next to McCain in their front row seats...to the Resurrection, then talk Thomas into retiring so we could get another 30 year neo-con in his place. We'd-be-set!

Unlike every other Repub before him Trump, like the Dems doesn't make mistakes at SC designates....

-"You gonna double cross me, motherfucker?"

- Kav & Such: "No, sir."

[Thread]

I dont know.

But if it doesn't then why would he raise his hands when he's on the record saying he wants to keep his daddy's policy in place?

Because everybody else in the line raised their hand. Harris had just poleaxed him & he didn't know whether to shit, or, go blind.

[Reck]

Because everybody else in the line raised their hand. Harris had just poleaxed him & he didn't know whether to shit, or, go blind.

This is true.

[rmt]

Drug industry lashes Trump for Canada importation plan

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/31/trump-drug-importation-canada-1629540

[AaronY]

Boots is madder about the Anita hill stuff than Anita Hill. :lol
So desperate to demonize anyone who poses a threat to his believed progressivism :lol

Cutest part is he doesn't think it's transparent :lol

[boutons_deux]

Drug industry lashes Trump for Canada importation plan

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/31/trump-drug-importation-canada-1629540

Americans will sicken and die from Canadian import drugs, just like Canadians do.

"unsafe" has been BigPharma's totally bullshit argument for years.

They simply cannot come up with any better bullshit to defend and protect their extortionate, wealth-sucking drug prices.

They are counting on the ignorance of Americans, and that's a good bet.

[CosmicCowboy]

How an early Biden crime bill created the sentencing disparity for crack and cocaine trafficking

,a little-noticed provision in the law came to be viewed as

one of the most racially slanted sentencing policies on record:

a rule that treated crack cocaine as significantly worse than powder cocaine and

ended up disproportionately punishing African Americans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-an-early-biden-crime-bill-created-the-sentencing-disparity-for-crack-and-cocaine-trafficking/2019/07/28/5cbb4c98-9dcf-11e9-85d6-5211733f92c7_story.html?utm_term=.2703c424a1f0&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-an-early-biden-crime-bill-created-the-sentencing-disparity-for-crack-and-cocaine-trafficking/2019/07/28/5cbb4c98-9dcf-11e9-85d6-5211733f92c7_story.html?utm_term=.2703c424a1f0&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)






There was some logic to the bill. Crack and freebase are about 100 times as addictive as the original powder form.

[boutons_deux]

There was some logic to the bill. Crack and freebase are about 100 times as addictive as the original powder form.

criminalizing, locking up users solves nothing

the bill was aimed at the violence around the drug trafficking.

I bet they locked up more users than traffickers.

And of course, white man's laws intended to create the "black" incarceration nation BigPrison industry, and give LE something to do.

[boutons_deux]

Maybe he was just tired ...

https://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/dropzone/2019/08/EBNqq_OXoAEY2Pq-510x497.jpg

[boutons_deux]

In Latest Gaffe, Biden Claims He Was Vice President During 2018 Parkland Shooting

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/joe-biden-gaffe-vice-president-parkland-shooting.html (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/joe-biden-gaffe-vice-president-parkland-shooting.html)

[boutons_deux]

When Did Joe Biden Start Believing He Had Opposed the Iraq War?

And how could he have been surprised that authorizing the use of military force meant Bush would use military force?

explained that his rationale in authorizing the use of military force in Iraq in 2002 was based on a commitment he had received from then-President George W. Bush that he would not go to war in Iraq.

“[Bush] looked me in the eye in the Oval Office.

He said he needed the vote to be able to get inspectors into Iraq to determine whether or not Saddam Hussein was engaged in dealing with a nuclear program,” said Biden.

“He got them in and before you know it, we had ‘shock and awe.’ ” …

“Immediately, that moment it started, I came out against the war at that moment,” Biden told NPR.

This version of events is so twisted that the very next sentence of the NPR story starts debunking the idea that Biden was antiwar.

But it’s worth unpacking more fully.

Let’s start from the beginning and work our way through:

So … given that it’s extremely at odds with both the public record and the themes of his campaign,

[B]why is Biden claiming that George W. Bush fooled him into accidentally voting to start a war?

Probably because the most central theme of his campaign, and indeed the theme of his entire career (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/joe-biden-1972-race-senate.html), is that

Joe Biden represents the common-sense majority consensus of the American public against extremists on both sides.

In 2002 and 2003, a wide majority of Americans felt that Bush was a good president and that invading Iraq was a good idea, and thus Joe Biden for the most part felt that way too.

In 2019, though, those positions are, at best, contested (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/19/iraq-war-continues-to-divide-u-s-public-15-years-after-it-began/)ones (https://www.people-press.org/2018/07/11/obama-tops-publics-list-of-best-president-in-their-lifetime-followed-by-clinton-reagan/), and thus Joe Biden no longer holds them either.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/joe-biden-iraq-vote-what-now.html (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/joe-biden-iraq-vote-what-now.html)

[Winehole23]

Biden calls the manager to have Giuliani cancelled on TV:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-campaign-demands-tv-news-execs-stop-booking-rudy-giuliani

[pgardn]

Biden calls the manager to have Giuliani cancelled on TV:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-campaign-demands-tv-news-execs-stop-booking-rudy-giuliani

His aides might be trying to save Rudy from himself.
didnt work for Trump.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1182766572525543424?s=19

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1182766572525543424?s=19Why didn't the Republican Congress who funded all that investigate?

Because it was a nothingburger.

[Spurtacular]

Why didn't the Republican Congress who funded all that investigate?

Because it was a nothingburger.

Poor people not getting their welfare is a nothing burger?

:lmao Neutered Chump

[ducks]

The worst news for Joe Biden Tuesday had nothing to do with the debate

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/16/politics/joe-biden-fundraising-debate/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

No money Biden
Lol

[AaronY]

omg! impeach!

1184310641651142656

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There was some logic to the bill. Crack and freebase are about 100 times as addictive as the original powder form.

No, it's not. Crack has a lower boiling point making it easier to smoke but it has no different pharmacological effect. You can still smoke the powder and it's much easier to dissolve the powder for IV use.

[DarrinS]

No, it's not. Crack has a lower boiling point making it easier to smoke but it has no different pharmacological effect. You can still smoke the powder and it's much easier to dissolve the powder for IV use.

Pro tip

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Pro tip

What that they are both dangerous and people that pretend that powder is safer are morons?

I'm just pointing out how NIDA and the Reagan administration lied.

[AaronY]

This Cuomo's Law thing is hilarious :lol


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[AaronY]

hmmm

1193557311702347776

[boutons_deux]

JOE BIDEN’S ROLE IN CREATING THE STUDENT DEBT CRISIS STRETCHES BACK TO THE 1970S

Early in his senatorial career, Biden played a role in making it easier for students and parents to take out burdensome loans, spanning across several decades.

Later, his landmark bankruptcy reform legislation made it nearly impossible to discharge student loans,

birthing a predatory industry and sinking millions into unsustainable levels of debt.
In 1978, Biden supported the Middle Income Student Assistance Act, which eliminated income restrictions on federal loans to expand eligibility to all students.

Biden helped write a separate bill that year blocking students from seeking bankruptcy protections on those loans after graduation. (The income restrictions on federal loans were reinstated in 1981.)

Then he went on to vote to create the Parent Loan for Undergraduate Students, or PLUS, program in 1980 and the Auxiliary Loans to Assist Students, or ALAS, program in 1981, which extended loan eligibility to students with no parental financial support.

“Within a few years, the crackdown [on student debtors filing for bankruptcy] that began in 1978 would extend beyond just government loans.

“Under that bill — which was signed into law by President Ronald Reagan — bankruptcy exemptions were extended to non-higher-education loans like those for vocational schools,

“Loosened loan eligibility requirements, together with two new federal loan programs, increased student borrowing from $1.8 billion in 1977 to $12 billion in 1989,”

as a senator from Delaware, Biden was one of the most enthusiastic supporters of the disastrous 2005 bankruptcy bill that made it nearly impossible for borrowers to reduce their student loan debt.

Biden came back to the legislation under the Bush administration; it passed the Senate in 2005 on a 74-25 vote, with most Democratic lawmakers, including then-Sen. Barack Obama, voting against it.

The total amount of private student loan debt more than doubled between 2005 and 2011, growing from $55.9 billion to $140.2 billion,

the 2005 bankruptcy bill led to a surge of foreclosures that may not have happened otherwise, translating to an additional 29,000 foreclosures every three months.

Biden, who has said he’s still paying off $298,000 in student debt (https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1189207765039734785?s=20) for his three children,

opposes free college and student debt forgiveness, calling it unrealistic.

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-student-loans/?utm_source=The+Intercept+Newsletter&utm_campaign=63cca9a438-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e00a5122d3-63cca9a438-133929861 (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-student-loans/?utm_source=The+Intercept+Newsletter&utm_campaign=63cca9a438-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e00a5122d3-63cca9a438-133929861)

[AaronY]

He's going to be out of the race very quickly once his track record gets more exposed.

Lol. sorry man this cracked me up

[AaronY]

Sorry man I love you Will but I gotta do this

https://i.imgur.com/gRMfv7t.jpg



https://i.imgur.com/oVH7qDl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/N4vv7BJ.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/ZLO0jtP.gif

[boutons_deux]

Biden leads among black voters for a reason

The top tier of the Democratic field is white because black voters, generally speaking, want it that way.

No candidate will win the Democratic presidential nomination without significant support from African Americans.

They are the foundation of the party, and

black women are its backbone.

they want Trump defeated and they think former vice president Joe Biden (https://wapo.st/32fEM5F) is the person to do it.

Biden led on “best chance to defeat Trump” (53 percent),

“handles issues important to blacks” (32 percent),

“would unite the country” (43 percent),

“strong character” (33 percent) :lol

and “closest on issues” (35 percent).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/11/biden-leads-among-black-voters-reason/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/11/biden-leads-among-black-voters-reason/)

The well-known amnesia, memory lasting 15 minutes max, of Americans is what apparently will be Biden's greatest strength.

[AaronY]

Biden leads among black voters for a reason

The top tier of the Democratic field is white because black voters, generally speaking, want it that way.

No candidate will win the Democratic presidential nomination without significant support from African Americans.

They are the foundation of the party, and

black women are its backbone.

they want Trump defeated and they think former vice president Joe Biden (https://wapo.st/32fEM5F) is the person to do it.

Biden led on “best chance to defeat Trump” (53 percent),

“handles issues important to blacks” (32 percent),

“would unite the country” (43 percent),

“strong character” (33 percent) :lol

and “closest on issues” (35 percent).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/11/biden-leads-among-black-voters-reason/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/11/biden-leads-among-black-voters-reason/)

The well-known amnesia, memory lasting 15 minutes max, of Americans is what apparently will be Biden's greatest strength.




Joe Biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the well being of working families and the middle class.

[DMC]

Joe Biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the well being of working families and the middle class.

No politician has ever done that actually but there's something to be said about diplomacy. Not sure Biden is the best candidate for that, but the pickin's are a might slim.

[AaronY]

No politician has ever done that actually but there's something to be said about diplomacy. Not sure Biden is the best candidate for that, but the pickin's are a might slim.
lol thats a Bernie Sanders quote from like 5-10 years ago. Some guy tweeted it the other day without context and he was swarmed with Bernie Bros telling him biden is an evil pos

[TheGreatYacht]

AaronY is wasting his time :lol

BernieBros are WOKE. They not gonna abandon Bernie. Bernie or bust.