Offseason Index: Draft Prospects and Free Agents

[timvp]

Free Agents
The Spurs Surprisingly Straightforward Free Agency Outlook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279323)
San Antonio's First Domino: Should The Spurs Give DeMar DeRozan A Contract Extension? (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280101)
Investigating The DeMar DeRozan Trade Possibilities (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280117)

Al-Farouq Aminu (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280113)
Trevor Ariza (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280078)
Bojan Bogdanovic (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280103)
Reggie Bullock (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280125)
DeMarre Carroll (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280126)
Rudy Gay (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280104)
JaMychal Green (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280114)
Mario Hezonja (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280107)
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280108)
Rodney Hood (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280119)
Stanley Johnson (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280109)
Wesley Matthews (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280106)
Nikola Mirotic (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280122)
Marcus Morris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280102)
Terrence Ross (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280123)
Tomas Satoransky (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280079)
Thaddeus Young (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280105)


2019 NBA Draft Prospects
General Draft Discussion (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276821)

Nickeil Alexander-Walker (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279502)
RJ Barrett (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279493)
Charles Bassey (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279675)
Darius Bazley (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279632)
Goga Bitadze (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279296)
Bol Bol (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279265)
Brandon Clarke (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279284)
Nicolas Claxton (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279592)
Jarrett Culver (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279551)
Terence Davis (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279808)
Luguentz Dort (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279577)
Sekou Doumbouya (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279304)
Carsen Edwards (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279539)
Bruno Fernando (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279376)
Daniel Gafford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279600)
Darius Garland (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279806)
Rui Hachimura (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279256)
Jaxson Hayes (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279270)
Tyler Herro (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279355)
Talen Horton-Tucker (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279514)
De'Andre Hunter (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279552)
DaQuan Jeffries (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279758)
Ty Jerome (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279325)
Cameron Johnson (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279405)
Keldon Johnson (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279540)
Mfiondu Kabengele (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279534)
Louis King (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279578)
Romeo Langford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279279)
Jalen Lecque (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279590)
Nassir Little (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279400)
Charles Matthews (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279676)
Jalen McDaniels (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279620)
Ja Morant (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279493)
Chuma Okeke (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279407)
KZ Okpala (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279271)
Eric Paschall (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279684)
Jontay Porter (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279443)
Kevin Porter Jr. (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279485)
Cam Reddish (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279553)
Isaiah Roby (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279471)
Luka Samanic (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279524)
Admiral Schofield (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279598)
Matisse Thybulle (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279251)
PJ Washington (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279344)
Coby White (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279554)
Grant Williams (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279361)
Zion Williamson (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279493)
Dylan Windler (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279474)



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I'll be slow-dripping threads for draft prospects and free agents so that the front page isn't overwhelmed. I'll keep this thread updated as I do.

Once the offseason is over, the threads will be moved to the Think Tank.

[blizz]

Nice. You have the links cross crossed though.

[BillMc]

Thanks for doing this OP

[John B]

Thanks Timvp. The link is interposed though.

[picnroll]

Thanks timvp. Feature request, add the projected order in the draft for the player on some of the draft sites, particularly the more accurate ones with updating. Too bad Draft Express is gone.

[offset formation]

Good stuff. Hat tip to you.

[duncan2150]

Thanks for the thread

[offset formation]

Thanks Timvp. The link is interposed though.

This.

[Mugen]

Let me save OP some time:

"I don't think Lonnie is ready. He'll need another season in the G League along with every other rookie the Spurs draft" :lol

[Mugen]

But also, thanks for doing this. :lol

Looking forward to it. :toast

[8FOR!3]

Rui might be a top 5 pick. Doubt he drops past 10

[Blackhaus]

Rui might be a top 5 pick. Doubt he drops past 10

This, trade both our first to get to him

[timvp]

Nice. You have the links cross crossed though.Whoops. Fixed. Thanks.


Thanks timvp. Feature request, add the projected order in the draft for the player on some of the draft sites, particularly the more accurate ones with updating. Too bad Draft Express is gone.Good idea. I'll add in a draft range :tu

[bluebellmaniac]

This, trade both our first to get to him


Throw in Forbes and take Zion.

[Blackhaus]

Haha, but I mean if he slips past 10-12 maybe package our 2 first and someone not name Murray, White or Walker and see if there are any takers. I just think he’s goin to be a guy that can come and contribute but has a high ceiling sort of like kwhitter. Not saying they are the same player but the potential there is high for him to be a good 2 way player and he looks very coachable.

[paperboy77]

Bryns stock is at an all time high. Our 2 firsts + Bryn might net a hella pick.

[ducks]

I think pop needs to go to g league
Becky take over big league

[Dennis the Menace]

Rui might be a top 5 pick. Doubt he drops past 10

Trade whatever it takes to get him.

Murray, White, Walker, Rui, Poetl.


That’s the next generation folks

[Dennis the Menace]

Trade whatever it takes to get him.

Murray, White, Walker, Rui, Poetl.


That’s the next generation folks

Derozan and Aldridge can be traded for young talent/picks whenever the time is right.

The team is set for years without ever having to tank


Someone pull Pop/RC out of the bar and have them see this so they don’t fuck it up.

[cd021]

Trade whatever it takes to get him.

Murray, White, Walker, Rui, Poetl.


That’s the next generation folks


Rui might be a top 5 pick. Doubt he drops past 10

Rui has been consistently been mocked in the mid teens, the only mock i've found with him in the top 5 is NBA Draft Net and there reputation is spotty at best. Think he'll go in the late lottery to early teens but may fall as others rise.

[hoopdreams11]

Spurs worked out Jeremiah Martin

[stxspurs]

Those players comparisons make me not want any of them

[hoopdreams11]

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/kawhi-leonard

Take a look at Kawhi's profile before he was drafted

[BD24]

Thanks for putting this all together tbh. This is excellent.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

Settle down Durant's coming here next year to be with Pop. All part of the master plan. Pop you Sly SOB you...

[DPG21920]

Yo - timvp are you going to be doing a write up overall regarding the Spurs plans/short-term/longer-term in what you think they should be doing in all 3 phases (draft, free agency and trades)?

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm going out on a limb here, but If RC can somehow get Hachimura and Goga and maybe even buy a 2nd rounder to get Okeke we'll be looking at another dynasty:lobt2:

Trade Bertans to move up, I really want these 2

[Robz4000]

Yo - timvp are you going to be doing a write up overall regarding the Spurs plans/short-term/longer-term in what you think they should be doing in all 3 phases (draft, free agency and trades)?

I wanna know if he's finally gonna tell us what he heard about what went down between Nephew and the FO.

[smaka]

timvp are you making one of these for Samanic? Since he is obviously scouted by RC here in Slovenia... :wakeup

[sasaint]

I'm going out on a limb here, but If RC can somehow get Hachimura and Goga and maybe even buy a 2nd rounder to get Okeke we'll be looking at another dynasty:lobt2:

Trade Bertans to move up, I really want these 2

My crystal ball is clear enough to see but a single thing: the Spurs will not buy another 2nd rounder.

[BWS-1994]

Awesome stuff. Thanks! :toast

[rascal]

Bryns stock is at an all time high. Our 2 firsts + Bryn might net a hella pick.

No it won't. The Spurs picks don't hold a lot of value and there won't be any interest in Byrn. If he were any good you would not want to trade him.

You'll have to trade White if you want to get any interest.

[paperboy77]

No it won't. The Spurs picks don't hold a lot of value and there won't be any interest in Byrn. If he were any good you would not want to trade him.

You'll have to trade White if you want to get any interest.

Everything is probably or maybe in here. Still, these announcers on TNT were on Bryns nuts during the playoffs and some of the regular season games. Think about it, a team like LA is looking for stars not in the draft. Bryn would be a "great" role player for LBJ and whomever they land. Somebody out there who is on the verge needs vets coming from Pops system with a lot of moxy. They don't really know Bryn sux like we do. They listen to the hype from the national media. Many stupid trades have been made in the NBA. A lot of overpaid idiots running front offices.

[timvp]

Those players comparisons make me not want any of them

Yeah, I was aiming at the most likely outcome ... which by nature is pretty ugly for a non-lottery pick.

I updated the player comparisons to give both a ceiling and a floor. Think it paints a better picture :tu

[Gordy58]

Rui might be a top 5 pick. Doubt he drops past 10 you think so? I like his athleticism but he’s more of a small ball 4 to me. Can’t shoot the three and his handles are just simple straight line drives and easy buckets at the basket. His defense isn’t the greatest, but that’s more from an awareness standpoint. I feel like there will be better prospects at 19.

[DPG21920]

I wonder what Bradley Beal’s value will be this Summer? With what is going on in WAS one would think they need to trade Beal (since Wall will be impossible to move at this point).

I think Beal’s value is pretty high even with his money; he would fit way better than DeRozan, but my guess is Was would be looking to bottom out, shave money, etc..so it would take picks plus expiring contracts at the minimum.

[sananspursfan21]

Loving the revamp timvp , thanks for all you do!

[BD24]

Rui is my number one choice for Spurs. Not sure he will be there when we pick though. Would be fine with a few of these other guys as well though

[DPG21920]

Outside of the top 3 picks, does anyone have a dream player they would love sa to get in this draft? Are there any truly game changing SF/PF outside of the top 3?

[cd98]

No reason to not have hope this off-season. For years the GSW were assumed the champs. But if Durrant leaves, that opens up a big hole in the WC and I see a bunch of flawed teams (Spurs included) and a chance for any of the top teams to make moves to get them in a position to get to the Finals.

[mo7888]

Outside of the top 3 picks, does anyone have a dream player they would love sa to get in this draft? Are there any truly game changing SF/PF outside of the top 3?

Cam Reddish or Hunter..

[objective]

Outside of the top 3 picks, does anyone have a dream player they would love sa to get in this draft? Are there any truly game changing SF/PF outside of the top 3?

DeAndre Hunter would be good enough to start at SF from day one I think. Probably wouldn't because the Spurs could keep DDR at SF going with a starting backcourt of Murray-White or some other combo of Murray, White, Forbes, Walker, Mills.

Hunter is the only guy I would be happy about if they could trade up that's not in the top 3. I wouldn't mind too terrible 19+Forbes+lotto protected 2020 if that's what it took.

Just a solid player with the size and athleticism the Spurs could really use but probably won't find in the draft at 19 or 29 or be able to get with the MLE

[DPG21920]

Cam Reddish or Hunter..


DeAndre Hunter would be good enough to start at SF from day one I think. Probably wouldn't because the Spurs could keep DDR at SF going with a starting backcourt of Murray-White or some other combo of Murray, White, Forbes, Walker, Mills.

Hunter is the only guy I would be happy about if they could trade up that's not in the top 3. I wouldn't mind too terrible 19+Forbes+lotto protected 2020 if that's what it took.

Just a solid player with the size and athleticism the Spurs could really use but probably won't find in the draft at 19 or 29 or be able to get with the MLE

So two Hunter votes. I wonder how aggressive sa is going to be in this draft in moving up? I really don’t have a great read on college to nba. It’s by far the hardest thing to me as a fan; projecting how guys will translate. No matter how much I’ve watched NBA I still have very little idea on that aspect of the business.

I just wonder if there are any “Kawhi’s” in this draft? Anyone with that type of ceiling on BOTH ends of the floor. I also agree that DDR will be playing SF and getting someone that is more of a SF/PF than true SF would be ideal.

[Babyboy]

IG baller putting In work recruiting KD
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxGp1UcgrKs/

[TheGreatYacht]

Change the thread title to:
Austin's next young star & TOSB looking for one last pay day watch

[pad300]

Outside of the top 3 picks, does anyone have a dream player they would love sa to get in this draft? Are there any truly game changing SF/PF outside of the top 3?

Bol Bol would either be a dream or a nightmare. He could be a bigger, better version of Dirk or he might never play a meaningful NBA minute...

Clarke, Little and Doumbouya all have the physical potential to be top level SF/PF's but they all need huge amounts of skill development.

[cutewizard]

Hope Bucks beat the Warriors

[Gordy58]

Bol Bol would either be a dream or a nightmare. He could be a bigger, better version of Dirk or he might never play a meaningful NBA minute...

Clarke, Little and Doumbouya all have the physical potential to be top level SF/PF's but they all need huge amounts of skill development.
agree, he reminds me of Porzingis

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Outside of the top 3 picks, does anyone have a dream player they would love sa to get in this draft? Are there any truly game changing SF/PF outside of the top 3?

One guy that would definitely be available at 19 (but a bit of a reach) and may be available at 29, who has the potential is Louis King. He has really good length, athleticsm, and his shot while needing improvement is there just needs work on being consistent in form/feet. Some project him as a SG, but while kinda thin now I don't see him as a KD guy. I think as he matures he will put on weight and be 6'7 235/240 type SF.

What I don't know about King is his work ethic. Since all the guys that have potential high ceilings that will be available when Spurs are picking are 2-3 years away, there willingness to put in the work will be just as important as their physical attributes

[pad300]

Bol Bol would either be a dream or a nightmare. He could be a bigger, better version of Dirk or he might never play a meaningful NBA minute...

Clarke, Little and Doumbouya all have the physical potential to be top level SF/PF's but they all need huge amounts of skill development.


agree, he reminds me of Porzingis

IMO, Porzingis is a bad comp. Porzingis has a level of mobility that Bol is never going to have. But Dirk didn't have that mobility either - even peak Dirk would be a C in today's game. Which is fine, because you can still pull a 5 with Bol/Dirk's shooting skills to the perimeter, giving the defense a matchup hell...

[ZeusWillJudge]

Outside of the top 3 picks, does anyone have a dream player they would love sa to get in this draft? Are there any truly game changing SF/PF outside of the top 3?

So two Hunter votes. I wonder how aggressive sa is going to be in this draft in moving up? I really don’t have a great read on college to nba. It’s by far the hardest thing to me as a fan; projecting how guys will translate. No matter how much I’ve watched NBA I still have very little idea on that aspect of the business.

I just wonder if there are any “Kawhi’s” in this draft? Anyone with that type of ceiling on BOTH ends of the floor. I also agree that DDR will be playing SF and getting someone that is more of a SF/PF than true SF would be ideal.


Nope. There's always a surprise or two, and the Spurs do better than most at getting better than expected value. But it's still a crap shoot.

There's no way Hunter falls to 19. At the beginning of the season, I saw him as a potential sleeper. But his stock just kept improving, all the way through the tournament. I don't think he'll fall lower than about 12-13. At one point, everyone was talking about Reddish at 5-7. I don't know why he seems to have fallen, but I don't think he'll make it to 19 either. Trading up for either one of those would be fine, but neither are Kawhi-level talents.

Okeke was the guy I thought was going to be the real bargain in this draft. He played so well in the tournament, that I was starting to think they couldn't even get him at 19. Then the injury. I'd still love to see him in silver and black.

Nobody talks much about the second round, but I'm thinking that Yovel Zoosman would be a good choice for 49. Put him in Austin for a year, and I think he's good enough to get minutes the next year. If he puts in the work on his 3P shot, I'm just about certain of it. It's not exciting, but teams need some of those kinds of players too.

[R. DeMurre]

Brandon Clarke feels like a type the Spurs would like, though I doubt he'll fall to #19. He's such an interesting player, and really points to how difficult assessing draft picks can be. First, the positives: one of the most productive players in college basketball, great effort, great attitude, incredible growth & statistical improvement from his Sophomore year with San Jose State to his Junior year with Gonzaga, great defender who could potentially guard wings and PFs, performed well in big games. The possible negatives: doesn't shoot the three, mediocre free throw shooter, is older than most of the top players he competed against, smallish wingspan for his height. He essentially outperformed every player not named Zion, but still isn't considered a top 8 pick.

[pad300]

Nobody talks much about the second round, but I'm thinking that Yovel Zoosman would be a good choice for 49. Put him in Austin for a year, and I think he's good enough to get minutes the next year. If he puts in the work on his 3P shot, I'm just about certain of it. It's not exciting, but teams need some of those kinds of players too.

Yeah, Zoosman could be a good choice. A couple of others I like as second round possibles : Abdoulaye N'Doye (France, Cholet Basket), Robert Franks (Washington State).

[ZeusWillJudge]

Yeah, Zoosman could be a good choice. A couple of others I like as second round possibles : Abdoulaye N'Doye (France, Cholet Basket), Robert Franks (Washington State).


Check out Max Strus. I thought for sure he would taken in the second round, but he hasn't gotten the attention I think he deserves. He just got an invite to the G-League Elite Camp, so he'll have an opportunity to showcase there. The boy can shoot. He's adequate at a lot of other things, and a hard worker. But he can shoot.

[dbestpro]

I feel Kris Wilkes from UCLA is a SF who is falling through the cracks, is 20 years old, plays silky smooth, is a natural SF 6-8, and is getting no press. Yes, he has some flaws, but he is the type who could respond to superior coaching and be another one of those late 1st or 2nd round gems.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

As much as I would like to see PATFO get a SF that could at least contribute off the bench next year, unless there is a trade opportunity, I see the Spurs drafting BPA (or at least who they see being BPA 2-3 years out)

They seem happy to play DDR at the 3 and have a glutton of smaller type SG/PG combos. I think next year's team looks about the same + DJ, with only real question being how much of a role will Lonnie have and maybe a new cheap vet that can push to be part of rotation.

I would love to see the Spurs embrace youth movement and move on from DDR/LMA, just not gonna happen. I think they are pretty much locked in to using DDR/LMA Era to try and develop some young talent while still competing for playoffs. The hope is when those guys contracts are up your young talent is ready to step in, plus 1-2 additional established FA and the Spurs are real contenders again. I think it is extremely hard to pull off but we will see

[DPG21920]

As much as I would like to see PATFO get a SF that could at least contribute off the bench next year, unless there is a trade opportunity, I see the Spurs drafting BPA (or at least who they see being BPA 2-3 years out)

They seem happy to play DDR at the 3 and have a glutton of smaller type SG/PG combos. I think next year's team looks about the same + DJ, with only real question being how much of a role will Lonnie have and maybe a new cheap vet that can push to be part of rotation.

I would love to see the Spurs embrace youth movement and move on from DDR/LMA, just not gonna happen. I think they are pretty much locked in to using DDR/LMA Era to try and develop some young talent while still competing for playoffs. The hope is when those guys contracts are up your young talent is ready to step in, plus 1-2 additional established FA and the Spurs are real contenders again. I think it is extremely hard to pull off but we will see

All true. What is more difficult would be trading DeRozan and LMA and then even getting back to the point where you have an outside shot at being a contender.

LMA/DeRozan only have two seasons left so it makes some sense to give it a go the best you can for at least that time. You can always blow it up; cant always put it back together.

Also, after next season, LMA is only 7M guaranteed. If sa needed to go a different direction in just one more season it becomes much easier to do so with that contract.

I would be fine with them going away from LMA and DeRozan right now, but there are a lot of reasons to stick with it another year or two and see what happens. Especially if GS breaks up.

[TD 21]

:lmao At implying there could be a championship ceiling with this core. The delusion of this fan base knows no bounds.

The young talent, while clearly the most promising they've had in a long time, speaks more to how long it's been since they've have actual prospects than it does their upside. There's not a single great prospect in the bunch. It doesn't mean one can't turn into a star, of course, but let's not pretend they're sitting on a gold mine.

They'd do extremely well just to reach the level of the current core, which is not nearly good enough to contend. There's plenty of teams with far better young talent and none of them are contenders, nor have a clear path to becoming one.

This fan base doesn't have an appreciation for how difficult and how much luck goes into becoming a championship contender. You basically need a ton of luck, starting with the most important piece, the guy who can be the best player on one. The Bucks and Warriors, for example, went over 40 years each.

The notion of developing a cadre of decent - good prospects, adding a few decent - good free agents and being set again in a few years, is asinine.

[Gordy58]

IMO, Porzingis is a bad comp. Porzingis has a level of mobility that Bol is never going to have. But Dirk didn't have that mobility either - even peak Dirk would be a C in today's game. Which is fine, because you can still pull a 5 with Bol/Dirk's shooting skills to the perimeter, giving the defense a matchup hell...
i don’t know, porzingis doesn’t look THAT agile. And maybe Bol Bol is a little slower than him. But everything else? Height, shooting touch, high percentage blocks, rebounding. He gives me that unicorn impression. Bol legitimately has guard skills.

[outmap]

Hunter

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

:lmao At implying there could be a championship ceiling with this core. The delusion of this fan base knows no bounds.

The young talent, while clearly the most promising they've had in a long time, speaks more to how long it's been since they've have actual prospects than it does their upside. There's not a single great prospect in the bunch. It doesn't mean one can't turn into a star, of course, but let's not pretend they're sitting on a gold mine.

They'd do extremely well just to reach the level of the current core, which is not nearly good enough to contend. There's plenty of teams with far better young talent and none of them are contenders, nor have a clear path to becoming one.

This fan base doesn't have an appreciation for how difficult and how much luck goes into becoming a championship contender. You basically need a ton of luck, starting with the most important piece, the guy who can be the best player on one. The Bucks and Warriors, for example, went over 40 years each.

The notion of developing a cadre of decent - good prospects, adding a few decent - good free agents and being set again in a few years, is asinine.

I basically agree with you which is why I would move forward now from DDR/LMA, try to get an additional pick or two in next couple draft, have a down year or two which would result in two more reasonably high picks, and then aggressively pursue a FA or 2 in 2-3 seasons. That scenario while still difficult and offering no guarantees is more likely to result in Spurs becoming real contenders in a 2-3 years VS the path it appears PATFO are pursuing.

I understand why they are doing it, but I can't think of any team in last 25-30 years (time I have followed NBA) that has lost it superstars, then managed to continue to make playoffs, then develop/sign talent necessary to become real contenders again.

I also understand the reason for sticking with LMA/DDR given Pop's final years, dominance of GS, other teams being in better position to challenge Warriors, and SA being a small market team who hasn't been bad in a long time and how would having a couple lottery bad seasons in a row affect support/attendance

[Thomas82]

Outside of the top 3 picks, does anyone have a dream player they would love sa to get in this draft? Are there any truly game changing SF/PF outside of the top 3?

I personally want Bol Bol, Jaxson Hayes, or Daniel Gafford. I would love for us to get a combination of 2 out of these 3, but would be more than happy with just one of them. I would also be happy with Bruno Fernando.

[NickiRasgo]

Just wish that Spurs will try to follow what the Clippers are doing like by giving up their cores for picks and salary cap. Yeah I'm speaking up by getting rid of Aldridge and DeRozan while they still have value. Clippers are doing fine even after trading Harris - still made the playoffs, almost took the Warriors to Game 7 and will have a salary cap this coming off-season.

[Philthemage]

Just wish that Spurs will try to follow what the Clippers are doing like by giving up their cores for picks and salary cap. Yeah I'm speaking up by getting rid of Aldridge and DeRozan while they still have value. Clippers are doing fine even after trading Harris - still made the playoffs, almost took the Warriors to Game 7 and will have a salary cap this coming off-season.

Very interesting idea. Jerry west and his midas touch base to be the best executive of all time.

[Dennis the Menace]

De’Andre Hunter

[Fusternino]

Pretty turned off by Duombouya at this point. On the Hachimura bandwagon now.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm on the Hunter bandwagon.

[Eaglenole2002]

A guy I know says the Spurs recently worked out Nebraska PF Isaiah Roby as a wing. I was told he shot the ball really well. He’d be an intriguing late 1 or 2nd round pick.

[ZeusWillJudge]

De’Andre Hunter


This time last year, I thought Hunter was going to be the sleeper of this draft. He played so well this year that he was no longer under the radar. Then in the tournament he was so impressive that they're now talking about him around 5. I don't think the Spurs could even trade up high enough to get him.

As much as I like him, I think he'll have a hard time living up to a 5 pick.

[duncan2150]

No Rui, no goga, Sekou or Mathisse at the combine.

[TD 21]

I basically agree with you which is why I would move forward now from DDR/LMA, try to get an additional pick or two in next couple draft, have a down year or two which would result in two more reasonably high picks, and then aggressively pursue a FA or 2 in 2-3 seasons. That scenario while still difficult and offering no guarantees is more likely to result in Spurs becoming real contenders in a 2-3 years VS the path it appears PATFO are pursuing.

I understand why they are doing it, but I can't think of any team in last 25-30 years (time I have followed NBA) that has lost it superstars, then managed to continue to make playoffs, then develop/sign talent necessary to become real contenders again.

I also understand the reason for sticking with LMA/DDR given Pop's final years, dominance of GS, other teams being in better position to challenge Warriors, and SA being a small market team who hasn't been bad in a long time and how would having a couple lottery bad seasons in a row affect support/attendance

With the possible exception of it being home, in terms of superstars and even stars, free agency will never be a viable option for a non glamour market. The only path to contention is to luck into a superstar in the draft, hope you luck into at least one other star and that both their games and personality are complimentary. Then fill in the necessary surrounding pieces.

I don't understand it and Pop's final years are irrelevant. He's a coach/executive, not a player (Parker didn't get his way, so why should he get his?). He's also constantly preached "getting over yourself", yet refuses to practice what he preaches for the good of the franchise.

Support/attendance is naturally going to decline the worse you get (it's already happening). That's sports, there's nothing they can do to stave that off. But in order to get that pendulum moving back in the opposite direction as quickly as possible, they can put their swallow their pride/ego and do this the most logical and obvious way.

[cd021]

A guy I know says the Spurs recently worked out Nebraska PF Isaiah Roby as a wing. I was told he shot the ball really well. He’d be an intriguing late 1 or 2nd round pick.

Long (7'3) and athletic, may be able to play the 3. May be a solid pick at 29.

[DPG21920]

With the possible exception of it being home, in terms of superstars and even stars, free agency will never be a viable option for a non glamour market. The only path to contention is to luck into a superstar in the draft, hope you luck into at least one other star and that both their games and personality are complimentary. Then fill in the necessary surrounding pieces.

I don't understand it and Pop's final years are irrelevant. He's a coach/executive, not a player (Parker didn't get his way, so why should he get his?). He's also constantly preached "getting over yourself", yet refuses to practice what he preaches for the good of the franchise.

Support/attendance is naturally going to decline the worse you get (it's already happening). That's sports, there's nothing they can do to stave that off. But in order to get that pendulum moving back in the opposite direction as quickly as possible, they can put their swallow their pride/ego and do this the most logical and obvious way.

Even market matters less and less. People have been fleeing from LA and they can’t even build a playoff team with 5 years worth of top 5 picks!

[palangi]

I would be interested in Jalen McDaniels at 19. A 6'9"/6'10" wing player. He played the 4 in college but can be a long 3 in the NBA. Has a very good offensive game.
https://youtu.be/jJU22qyEBD0

[Nathan89]

Interested to see Grant Williams combine results. Dude has a ton of skill and has great character. He has a great ft% which is supposed to be a great indicator for nba 3's so I'm hopeful for that development. If his combine results are solid I'd take him at 29.

[Dejounte]

Interested to see Grant Williams combine results. Dude has a ton of skill and has great character. He has a great ft% which is supposed to be a great indicator for nba 3's so I'm hopeful for that development. If his combine results are solid I'd take him at 29.

If his combine results are solid, he will be gone by the 15th.

[Nathan89]

Nickeil Alexander Walker isn't the best fit considering we just drafted Lonnie Walker but I'd love to have him if he's available at 19.

[look_at_g_shred]

Who has the higher ceiling, Lonnie or Alexander

[rjv]

Even market matters less and less. People have been fleeing from LA and they can’t even build a playoff team with 5 years worth of top 5 picks!

i remember when TD 21 was once a pretty decent poster. now, we get these banal posts full of the tired narrative (small markets have no shot in free agency, pop is irrelevant...).

[DesignatedT]

I'd like to see your thoughts on Bruno Fernando.

[Nathan89]

Thybulle, Grant Williams, Nickeil Walker, and Kabengele all look interesting.

[duncan2150]

Nickeil Alexander Walker isn't the best fit considering we just drafted Lonnie Walker but I'd love to have him if he's available at 19.

i really like NAW, not a need but he could be a nice player.

[Ditty]

Best player available. We better not draft on need.

[Degoat]

Best player available. We better not draft on need.

im starting to lean to that way of thinking to, I really wish we could grab a SF but if a big or even a guard fell to us at 19 I wouldn’t be opposed to it

[Nathan89]

Not sure where Kabengale(nephew of Mutombo) is projected but I like him a lot. He gives great interviews showing a certain level of intelligence. Based on the interviews he seems like a good guy and a good teammate. His highlights show incredible on court passion(think draymond). He seems ambitious with his game. By that I mean he seems to want to be a complete player with many skills and not just a niche player. This presents the potential of a higher ceiling which is preferable for this talent deprived team. Obviously the Spurs will niche him down and then grow him into the best player possible from there but I like his mindset.

Interview:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww3KX_3P3AE

2 year old video of him practicing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUHKzb9U-QA

Highlights:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GfmVdOdOZM

[Spurtacular]

No thanks. If he's missing that many threes while not being guarded and posting on YT. :lol

[Nathan89]

That was 2 years ago. He hit 37% on 3's and 76% of fts this year.

[RC_Drunkford]

I like Kabengele. Good touch around the rim with both hands, can play in the post and the open court, athletic, long, good shot blocker and shoots decent percentages from everywhere. He's the perfect modern 4/small ball 5 and projected as a late first rounder. Picking him at 29 would be great and fill a need for this team

[SpurPadre]

If Bol is available, we have to take him. This talk about him being too thin for his position is complete bullshit in a league that no longer relies on bigs playing like bigs and shoot threes. Also, his weight is the same as Admiral's was in his prime.

[ZeusWillJudge]

If Bol is available, we have to take him. This talk about him being too thin for his position is complete bullshit in a league that no longer relies on bigs playing like bigs and shoot threes. Also, his weight is the same as Admiral's was in his prime.


Have you been watching the playoffs? The damage that guys like Jokic and Embiid have been doing? Portland would have been out of their series if not for Kanter, and if Nurkic hadn't gotten hurt they might have already closed out Denver. D-Rob was built like a Greek God (I would know). Bol is built like Ichabod Crane.


https://pics.me.me/cixers-kc-run-gmt-manute-bol-bol-bol-his-15636259.png

[DPG21920]

Just got my tickets to the draft *insert prayer hand emoji *insert fire emoji

[R. DeMurre]

I agree Bol Bol has a fragile looking body, but that can be deceptive. Similar guys like Tayshaun Prince and Kevin Durant have shown pretty impressive durability during their careers. The foot injury is worrying though...

[BackHome]

We have all ready seen how a broken foot can end a ballers basketball life just to much stress and pressure won’t hold up.

[Nathan89]

Just got my tickets to the draft *insert prayer hand emoji *insert fire emoji

Make sure you show extreme emotions no matter who the spurs pick. Even if you don't know them. That's draft protocol.

[wildbill2u]

I saw a playoff game where one highly regarded team had 5 guards on the floor. I have no inside sources among super scouts. So much depends on what teams do that are above us in the draft. Highlight reels aren't worth shit. False leads about seeing some large body in the airport who MIGHT be a player come to work out for the Spurs, according to a guy who told somebody's cousin aren't as good as highlight reels.

I haven't seen anything from POP or RC about their evaluations of the current roster or where they might make changes. They never give up their secret plans for the draft on some obscure player no one thought was in the mix.

This thread gets more and more like a rumor mill and/or circle jerk. Thanks for all your opinions but I can wait for the two guys who make millions to make those decisions to do their magic once again.

I hope.

[TD 21]

Even market matters less and less. People have been fleeing from LA and they can’t even build a playoff team with 5 years worth of top 5 picks!

Yet one of the two best players ever signed with them despite their incompetence and seemingly ever superstar player or at least superstar name has either already forced or is rumored to sign with a big market team.

[DPG21920]

Yet one of the two best players ever signed with them despite their incompetence and seemingly ever superstar player or at least superstar name has either already forced or is rumored to sign with a big market team.

This is pretty intellectually dishonest. They have had way more players leave them and turn them down then they have had choose them.

Lebron is a big time outlier and basically the only one in 6 years; it had nothing to do with basketball and he’s the only one that mattered to. Even with Bron coming they couldn’t attract another FA. PG would not even give them a meeting.

[jjktkk]

Just got my tickets to the draft *insert prayer hand emoji *insert fire emoji

:tu Have fun.

[tholdren]

Spurstalk so dumb they only want fa who shoot 30+ fga..

[TimmyBuckets]

Seeing Hachimura in top 5 all the way to 20. Yall think he drops to 19?

[DPG21920]

Josh Jackson just got arrested, maybe SA can trade pick 29 and Mills for him :lol

[R. DeMurre]

One under the radar free agent I like is Khem Birch of Orlando. 6'9" high energy, high PER center who can switch defensively and give you a solid 15 mpg. Another that was originally suggested by ZeusWillJudge is Darius Miller of New Orleans. 6'8" SF, career 38% from three, one of only four/five players on the Pelicans' roster to register positive advanced stats this year, depending on which source you look at. Neither guy is a world-beater, but both could be reliable inexpensive bench players.

[TD 21]

This is pretty intellectually dishonest. They have had way more players leave them and turn them down then they have had choose them.

Lebron is a big time outlier and basically the only one in 6 years; it had nothing to do with basketball and he’s the only one that mattered to. Even with Bron coming they couldn’t attract another FA. PG would not even give them a meeting.

Yet they got the big fish.

I was clearly talking about the past 1-2 years, where virtually every diva is rumored to want to sign in L.A. or New York. It doesn't matter that the Clippers are more appealing to them than the Lakers at the moment or to a lesser extent, the Nets to the Knicks. The point is, no matter the team, those are the biggest markets.

The only chance the majority of markets have, is if the player is foreign, mixed or a combination of both. Especially in the Spurs case, since they've so clearly tried to distance themselves from a stereotypical NBA environment. That didn't matter when they were led by 3 players who fit the description I alluded to. The second they weren't, it immediately became an issue.

[SpursRussia]

Josh Jackson just got arrested, maybe SA can trade pick 29 and Mills for him :lol

Atlanta has an empty payroll and 0 PGs, besides Trae Young. Maybe they'll take Mills for "leadership and culture"? Throw in 29th and a 2nd rounder. Trade Belli and Bertans and get no salary back and you suddenly get some space for a nice free agent SF. Along with 19th pick and Murray returning I can see a much better roster and a cleared logjam at guard position.

Shame it is not happening and not even considered, cause wombats are so valuable

[DPG21920]

Yet they got the big fish.

I was clearly talking about the past 1-2 years, where virtually every diva is rumored to want to sign in L.A. or New York. It doesn't matter that the Clippers are more appealing to them than the Lakers at the moment or to a lesser extent, the Nets to the Knicks. The point is, no matter the team, those are the biggest markets.

The only chance the majority of markets have, is if the player is foreign, mixed or a combination of both. Especially in the Spurs case, since they've so clearly tried to distance themselves from a stereotypical NBA environment. That didn't matter when they were led by 3 players who fit the description I alluded to. The second they weren't, it immediately became an issue.

Key word is rumored. Meanwhile, for the past 6-8 years no actual big free agent has touched Lakers, Clippers, NY or BKY.

[TD 21]

Key word is rumored. Meanwhile, for the past 6-8 years no actual big free agent has touched Lakers, Clippers, NY or BKY.

:lmao So the most connected people in the industry, who have been repeatedly proven correct, aren't credible enough for you? And again, I said the past 1-2 years. The big market is back in style.

[HarlemHeat37]

Key word is rumored. Meanwhile, for the past 6-8 years no actual big free agent has touched Lakers, Clippers, NY or BKY.

You've said you expect Kawhi to go to LA..it sounds like a given that at least 1 of Kyrie/Durant is going to New York..what will you say then?:lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

One under the radar free agent I like is Khem Birch of Orlando. 6'9" high energy, high PER center who can switch defensively and give you a solid 15 mpg. Another that was originally suggested by ZeusWillJudge is Darius Miller of New Orleans. 6'8" SF, career 38% from three, one of only four/five players on the Pelicans' roster to register positive advanced stats this year, depending on which source you look at. Neither guy is a world-beater, but both could be reliable inexpensive bench players.


I still think Darius Miller would be a good signing. He's not going to put the team back in the Finals or anything, but I think he would be a good solid addition to the team, at a good price. At least I think he's going to be pretty affordable. I really like him as a target for the Spurs, and I would MUCH rather have him than Belinelli. He's a legit 3P threat, and he does everything else better than Belinelli.

I wish Birch had stayed with Olympiacos for another year, or even two. And I think Orlando was a terrible place for him to land in the NBA. He's not bad on the defensive end, as long as he doesn't have to guard the really big boys - kind of like David West. (I'm not comparing him to West on anything but that.) He's a good rebounder, and gets his share of put-back baskets - but that's pretty much it. If he could add just one other element to his offensive game, either some kind of jump shot or PnR, he could earn minutes. I just don't know where a guy his age learns to run the PnR. But as a min-contract hustle guy, he's wouldn't be terrible. But I don't think the Spurs would kick Metu off the roster to put him on it.

[DPG21920]

You've said you expect Kawhi to go to LA..it sounds like a given that at least 1 of Kyrie/Durant is going to New York..what will you say then?:lol

I’d say eventually stars will go to those teams. But there’s very much been a shift. I don’t see how that is arguable. If stars going to big markets once every 5-7 years now makes it a thing, ok I guess

[ZeusWillJudge]

Key word is rumored. Meanwhile, for the past 6-8 years no actual big free agent has touched Lakers, Clippers, NY or BKY.


Heh. If you want to talk rumors, for the past couple of decades I can't count the number of players who were "rumored" to be coming to SA. People here always joke that they use the Spurs as a way to get more money from other teams, but I think there may be something to that.

For a long time now, the Lakers have been a place that players escape from, not gravitate to. And the biggest reason is their bumbling, stumbling management after they lost Jerry Buss and Jerry West. People can say whatever they want to, but good players would much rather have come play under PATFO than the clowns that have gone through the revolving doors in the Lakers' FO since then. LeBron's ego told him that he could do it on his own, and the New Lakers would be recognized as the House LeBron Built. He better get busy.

[Degoat]

I Know this draft isn’t very deep but I like a lot of the players I have looked into. There’s not many players I’ve seen that I would be pissed if Pop/Rc selected. I think there will be some diamonds in the rough. Probably not any stars but some really good players to add to are young core

[venitian navigator]

Draft night could be extremely intersting for us because we definively have picks and assets that could be interesting for a lot of teams. Considering that's the first and only market window before july 1srt, that night will probably anticipate a lot about the direction this team decide to go for next years...

[TDMVPDPOY]

will lol if cavs win no.1 pick...pics zion, but becomes a bust like bennett pick

[look_at_g_shred]

Just got my tickets to the draft *insert prayer hand emoji *insert fire emoji
How much were the tix?

[DPG21920]

How much were the tix?

The ones I got are $150 each. They go all the way up to 2K each (which is stupid). I’ve been 2 years in a row (now 3), upper bowl is fine. It’s not a game with action going on, it’s about the environment and buzz and you watch the Jumbotron a lot anyways.

Might be able to find a little cheaper closer to the event but id say expect to pay $100-$150 for an upper ticket & $250+ as it gets lower.

[R. DeMurre]

Funny to me that so many mocks have the Knicks getting the #1 pick and taking Zion. There's an 86% chance they don't get it, which is statistically pretty significant. I'd love it if New Orleans won it (6% chance): that would rock the NBA, make AD seriously consider staying, and be a great off season story.

[DPG21920]

Just not the Lakers. Don’t let the Lakers get the number one pick.

[look_at_g_shred]

Funny to me that so many mocks have the Knicks getting the #1 pick and taking Zion. There's an 86% chance they don't get it, which is statistically pretty significant. I'd love it if New Orleans won it (6% chance): that would rock the NBA, make AD seriously consider staying, and be a great off season story.
No man!! We'd get killed 4 times a season! lol we can't even beat them with the team they have now...imagine with zion? lol

[R. DeMurre]

I've already seen multiple conspiracy theories guaranteeing the Lakers or the Knicks get the #1 pick.

[DPG21920]

I've already seen multiple conspiracy theories guaranteeing the Lakers or the Knicks get the #1 pick.

Knicks are in a 3 way tie for the best odds so nothing surprising there. If La lands the number one pick with a 2% chance I will die.

[Degoat]

WTF Lakers getting a top 4 pick!?!

[r0drig0lac]

Zion and Davis...damn

[Degoat]

I’m happy for the pelicans, better them then the lakers

[cool cat]

WTF Lakers getting a top 4 pick!?!

Doesn’t matter, they have gotten better picks lately and still screwed it up.

[barakz21]

Funny to me that so many mocks have the Knicks getting the #1 pick and taking Zion. There's an 86% chance they don't get it, which is statistically pretty significant. I'd love it if New Orleans won it (6% chance): that would rock the NBA, make AD seriously consider staying, and be a great off season story.

WTF. Are you like Nostradamus or some shit?

[cjw]

Atlanta has an empty payroll and 0 PGs, besides Trae Young. Maybe they'll take Mills for "leadership and culture"? Throw in 29th and a 2nd rounder. Trade Belli and Bertans and get no salary back and you suddenly get some space for a nice free agent SF. Along with 19th pick and Murray returning I can see a much better roster and a cleared logjam at guard position.

Shame it is not happening and not even considered, cause wombats are so valuable

Do you plan on bringing Gay back? If so, under your scenario, you would go into the trade with about $115mm of salary once you renounce Pondexter/Cunningham/Montiejunas. Remove all three guys for $26mm and you’re at $90mm or so. That’s gives you space of $19mm give or take. Probably a bit less with incomplete roster charges.

You lose the MLE. That assumes a team takes back them without salary back.

I could see it being attractive, but who would you target? You’d lose a ton of shooting overnight. I can see two of those guys being moved but not all threez

If you renounced Gay too, you’re looking at huge cap space.

[SpursRussia]

Do you plan on bringing Gay back? If so, under your scenario, you would go into the trade with about $115mm of salary once you renounce Pondexter/Cunningham/Montiejunas. Remove all three guys for $26mm and you’re at $90mm or so. That’s gives you space of $19mm give or take. Probably a bit less with incomplete roster charges.

You lose the MLE. That assumes a team takes back them without salary back.

I could see it being attractive, but who would you target? You’d lose a ton of shooting overnight. I can see two of those guys being moved but not all threez

If you renounced Gay too, you’re looking at huge cap space.

Yes, renounce Gay and go for a top FA, like Harris, Butler, Middleton. Maybe squeeze in Bogdanovich and Gay together. Draft a shooter 6”6 or taller with 19th, hope that remaining guards will develop 3pt shots. We’ve already heard, that Murray has been improving, need White to stop being so shy shooting the 3, make DDR shoot it like his last season with TO. Lonnie is still a question mark, but he seems to have a nice stroke too.

This might be the only way to contend in the coming years, especially with Durant going east and CP3 aging

[R. DeMurre]

WTF. Are you like Nostradamus or some shit?

:lol

[cutewizard]

Guys, what do you think of the NBA draft lottery order now?

[4lifecowboy]

I'm sold Kabengele at 19
Roby @29

[picnroll]

Can you add a Kevin Porter profile. If available and Spurs go for broke potential-wise at what could available when they pick he might be a target. Spurs are loaded at that position with young players in Murray, White and Walker but Spurs seem to have the best luck developing that type player as opposed to drafted bigs, and one of them could eventually prove to be a valuable trade asset a la George Hill. As a bonus think of the endless bitching fodder it would provide Spurstalk arguing who’s better and who deserves to play.

[rjv]

just read that the FA period has been moved up to June 30th at 6:00 PM (EST).

[SpursBig3s]

Somebody add a Kerry blackshear profile. Just saw that we worked him out today

[Immortal Spur]

I'd draft tako in the second round if he agreed to play in the G League.. Kid would sell tickets. Also with the two first likely going down this year it would be a great draw

[Immortal Spur]

DX has is taking Talen Horton-Tucker at 19. I must say I'm very impressed with him. I wouldn't mind.

[ace3g]

Can't wait for the DeAndre Hunter profile.

[8FOR!3]

DX has is taking Talen Horton-Tucker at 19. I must say I'm very impressed with him. I wouldn't mind.

The only concern is he’s 6’4 and not super athletic. He can play, solid defender, and he’s strong. But he is undersized even though he’s got long arms

[ZeusWillJudge]

Can't wait for the DeAndre Hunter profile.


Hunter was my guy at the beginning of the season. Then he went and played himself out of reach. I think he'll go too high now to even be realistic to trade up for him. I think he could have made the team better soon, if not immediately.

[lmbebo]

What I've gathered from all the mocks is that most prospects aren't very intriguing outside of the top 3/4 spots. Some people have some players going later lottery or late 1st round. wide range ...

[pad300]

A link that I haven't seen posted:

http://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

The draftexpress top 100 Big board, with summaries.

[SpursBig3s]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/airalamo.com/2019/05/13/san-antonio-spurs-exploring-deal-free-agent-thaddeus-young/amp/

Spurs interested in Thaddeus Young?

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I'm happy for the draftexpress guys that they got a deal working for ESPN but I miss when they ran their own site and had all the info not behind a pay wall. It seems no other site has info on the players measurements besides them so far.

NBA.com and NBA TV really needs hire some folks to keep up with stuff like this. It's crazy how better NFL network and their website is compared to the NBA's. Being that this is more of a global game and league they really should try and beef up their network and website

[ZeusWillJudge]

Well another one of my sleeper picks took a hit. I was really hoping that Cody Martin might be a bargain second round pickup for a backup SF. He got invited to the G-League Elite camp, and performed well enough to get invited to stay for the combine. He and his twin brother played for Nevada. They showed well in the NCAA the last two years. Some of you may remember that last year they led Nevada to a surprise Sweet 16 appearance. This year they lost to Florida in the first round, but Cody had 23 points and 5 boards, while Caleb had 19 points and 8 boards. I like Cody's game for the New NBA. He can create his own shot, and he dishes a lot of AST to teammates. His 3P% isn't quite good enough (.358), but I think he will improve with just a little bit of help. He's got good handles, PG-like skills, and doesn't turn the ball over a lot. He's a decent defender, and every time I've watched him he's picked up a couple of steals. It looks like he's performing better on his own, without Caleb on the floor with him.

The problem is, the brothers are listed at 6'7". But at the combine, he measured just 6' 4.75" without shoes. He was 6'5.5" in shoes, but that just means that he needs to get a taller pair of shoes like everyone else. (They average about 1.5" extra with shoes.) He's still taller than Nassir Little and Admiral Schofield, who a lot of people like as SF's. But I really wanted to see the Spurs pick someone with legit SF size - like 6'7" - 6'8".

I still think he's going to be a bargain second round pickup. He's got a 6'10.25" wingpan and an 8'6.5" standing reach. Last year they tested the draft and he was a reasonably good athlete. Like fourth in lane agility, and sprint, and standing vertical. The Spurs are just loaded with guys in the 6'5" range. Still, if there's any chance of the Spurs trading one of the young guys, he would be a good place to use that 49 pick.

Here's a video of him and his brother's highlights from the loss to Florida in the NCAA this year.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ4JXYZIk5E

[R. DeMurre]

I've seen three separate references just today to De'Andre Hunter as the "Kawhi Leonard of this draft." He had a better shooting year & lower usage rate than RJ Barrett, who seems to me a bit worrying as a #3-- one scout used DeRozan as a player comparison, and another called him an "Alpha Andrew Wiggins." Those analogies wouldn't thrill me if I was a GM with the #3 pick. I wonder if someone will opt for the more efficient & better defending Hunter over Barrett. If the Knicks keep the pick and are confident that they're getting Durant, Hunter might be the better choice so they don't replicate the Durant/Westbrook dilemma of who-gets-to-shoot-more...

[exstatic]

Atlanta has an empty payroll and 0 PGs, besides Trae Young. Maybe they'll take Mills for "leadership and culture"? Throw in 29th and a 2nd rounder. Trade Belli and Bertans and get no salary back and you suddenly get some space for a nice free agent SF. Along with 19th pick and Murray returning I can see a much better roster and a cleared logjam at guard position.

Shame it is not happening and not even considered, cause wombats are so valuable

It's not going to happen, because it's pie in the sky. No one is renting two years cap space for Patty for #29 in a bad draft, and no one is taking Belli or Bertans without a sweetener.

[exstatic]

Somebody add a Kerry blackshear profile. Just saw that we worked him out today

Spurs work out players for the second round or Austin. Any first round prospects they would work out usually get poached by another team.

[BWS-1994]

Will the recently added Combine Result also added to the previous profiles? Much appreciated!

[timvp]

Will the recently added Combine Result also added to the previous profiles? Much appreciated!

Yeah, I'll go back and add them in.

[Immortal Spur]

The only concern is he’s 6’4 and not super athletic. He can play, solid defender, and he’s strong. But he is undersized even though he’s got long arms

He really knows how to play though. He's a combo guard that can play in the post and play out to the perimeter. He's a modern point. I think he could be really good. I know it may not make sense if you are looking at our team with a traditional grasp on roster construction but now teams do play 3 guards in lineups. DX is pretty reputable although I doubt they have any real links to the Spurs this early. Just saying though, the kid is very talented and has a modern game.

[Emperor]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/airalamo.com/2019/05/13/san-antonio-spurs-exploring-deal-free-agent-thaddeus-young/amp/

Spurs interested in Thaddeus Young?

I hope this is true. But if not then i hope Marcus Morris will be on their radar this summer.

[duncan2150]

Well another one of my sleeper picks took a hit. I was really hoping that Cody Martin might be a bargain second round pickup for a backup SF. He got invited to the G-League Elite camp, and performed well enough to get invited to stay for the combine. He and his twin brother played for Nevada. They showed well in the NCAA the last two years. Some of you may remember that last year they led Nevada to a surprise Sweet 16 appearance. This year they lost to Florida in the first round, but Cody had 23 points and 5 boards, while Caleb had 19 points and 8 boards. I like Cody's game for the New NBA. He can create his own shot, and he dishes a lot of AST to teammates. His 3P% isn't quite good enough (.358), but I think he will improve with just a little bit of help. He's got good handles, PG-like skills, and doesn't turn the ball over a lot. He's a decent defender, and every time I've watched him he's picked up a couple of steals. It looks like he's performing better on his own, without Caleb on the floor with him.

The problem is, the brothers are listed at 6'7". But at the combine, he measured just 6' 4.75" without shoes. He was 6'5.5" in shoes, but that just means that he needs to get a taller pair of shoes like everyone else. (They average about 1.5" extra with shoes.) He's still taller than Nassir Little and Admiral Schofield, who a lot of people like as SF's. But I really wanted to see the Spurs pick someone with legit SF size - like 6'7" - 6'8".

I still think he's going to be a bargain second round pickup. He's got a 6'10.25" wingpan and an 8'6.5" standing reach. Last year they tested the draft and he was a reasonably good athlete. Like fourth in lane agility, and sprint, and standing vertical. The Spurs are just loaded with guys in the 6'5" range. Still, if there's any chance of the Spurs trading one of the young guys, he would be a good place to use that 49 pick.

Here's a video of him and his brother's highlights from the loss to Florida in the NCAA this year.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ4JXYZIk5E

Im with You for cody as a second round, he is athletic, Can pass, score, defend... last year Caleb was better for me but after watching them This year imo cody is the better twin.

[8FOR!3]

He really knows how to play though. He's a combo guard that can play in the post and play out to the perimeter. He's a modern point. I think he could be really good. I know it may not make sense if you are looking at our team with a traditional grasp on roster construction but now teams do play 3 guards in lineups. DX is pretty reputable although I doubt they have any real links to the Spurs this early. Just saying though, the kid is very talented and has a modern game.

Yeah I mean I like what I hear about him anyways. Wonder how far he could fall. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t fall to late 20’s it’d be worth taking a chance and trying to get him at 29 maybe?

[dbestpro]

Ultimate sleeper-built to play SF, great last name----------------Wilkes - UCLA.

[Nathan89]

Grant Williams apparently has premium agility. Take him at 19. Steal of the draft.

[PuzzBeterson]

The only concern is he’s 6’4 and not super athletic. He can play, solid defender, and he’s strong. But he is undersized even though he’s got long arms
I love him, but doubt he falls to #19. If so, that's the easy choice, IMO. Reminds me of Gary Harris somewhat.

[Dejounte]

Grant Williams apparently has premium agility. Take him at 19. Steal of the draft.

Nah, people here dont think hes agile enough.

[Biggems]

Any chance you can do one on C Jessie Govan Georgetown?

[GreekSpursfan]

I don't know if anyone else commented about what i'm about to say and if this is the right place to post it but Mesina said that he and Pop are talking about Micic from Efes. I really like Micic and i hope we get him for next season. Does any NBA team has his rights?

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't know if anyone else commented about what i'm about to say and if this is the right place to post it but Mesina said that he and Pop are talking about Micic from Efes. I really like Micic and i hope we get him for next season. Does any NBA team has his rights?

more guards? That's weird. He was a Philly 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft, not sure if they still hold those rights

[R. DeMurre]

I don't know if anyone else commented about what i'm about to say and if this is the right place to post it but Mesina said that he and Pop are talking about Micic from Efes. I really like Micic and i hope we get him for next season. Does any NBA team has his rights?

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/854971/vasilje-micic-and-anadolu-efes-finalizing-an-extension-deal/

[GreekSpursfan]

more guards? That's weird. He was a Philly 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft, not sure if they still hold those rights

If we can somehow send Mills packing to philly which i hope we can then hell yeah

[RC_Drunkford]

If we can somehow send Mills packing to philly which i hope we can then hell yeah

that's a Spurs fans dream, doubt it though. Micic is nice, 6'5'' can play the 1 and 2, good passer and shooter and only 25 years old

[GreekSpursfan]

that's a Spurs fans dream, doubt it though. Micic is nice, 6'5'' can play the 1 and 2, good passer and shooter and only 25 years old

I agree, i'm afraid its gonna stay a dream too, dammit.

[cutewizard]

This guy below was recommended by Messina:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FcKbHe1Ruc

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-EqFS0UR34

[cutewizard]

Hmmmm......hmmmm

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Any of you good folks think the team will keep Metu? His salary is small but doesnt he hold a roster spot for the big club? He is still young but he didn't even fair well in the development league

I thought Eubanks looked solid the couple of times he played and would be more deserving of a spot. Not to mention alot of folks seem high on Ben Moore

[Big Empty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-EqFS0UR34
A young Belly Nelly. Not a bad thing

[pad300]

Any of you good folks think the team will keep Metu? His salary is small but doesnt he hold a roster spot for the big club? He is still young but he didn't even fair well in the development league

I thought Eubanks looked solid the couple of times he played and would be more deserving of a spot. Not to mention alot of folks seem high on Ben Moore

I have a suspicion they will rethink the D-league call up contracts (Eubanks, Moore). Metu could get caught up in such a review of players in the D-league.

[palangi]

Any of you good folks think the team will keep Metu? His salary is small but doesnt he hold a roster spot for the big club? He is still young but he didn't even fair well in the development league

I thought Eubanks looked solid the couple of times he played and would be more deserving of a spot. Not to mention alot of folks seem high on Ben Moore

Metu will be fine. Let the kid develop.

[Blackhaus]

Yeah hope they continue to develope Meto, he’s an intriguing prospect

[Dverde]

How about Taj Gibson for the full MLE? I doubt he wants to stay in Minnesota.

[Degoat]

How about Taj Gibson for the full MLE? I doubt he wants to stay in Minnesota.

I thought the same about Taj, I think he would be a good realistic get but if we do that we gotta get a wing in the draft I think.

[Dverde]

I thought the same about Taj, I think he would be a good realistic get but if we do that we gotta get a wing in the draft I think.

We have a ton of wing players. Spurs still got Lonnie Walker to develop.

[pad300]

How about Taj Gibson for the full MLE? I doubt he wants to stay in Minnesota.

I don't want to pay him the full MLE. He doesn't have much of jumper. He's a pure 4 who's pretty reliant on athleticism. He's 34 next season... A full MLE would take him to 37. 1 Year at the MLE might be OK, but I'm thinking there are a) better places to put the investment, and b) he won't sign for just 1 year. If he gets greedy though, he may be stuck looking at a vet min deal after the initial flurry of deals; at that point, he'd be attractive (depending on roster at that point, of course).

[Dverde]

I don't want to pay him the full MLE. He doesn't have much of jumper. He's a pure 4 who's pretty reliant on athleticism. He's 34 next season... A full MLE would take him to 37. 1 Year at the MLE might be OK, but I'm thinking there are a) better places to put the investment, and b) he won't sign for just 1 year. If he gets greedy though, he may be stuck looking at a vet min deal after the initial flurry of deals; at that point, he'd be attractive (depending on roster at that point, of course).

Sorry, I meant the full MLE for next year, not a long term one. Basically, bring back Gay the use the available money on Taj Gibson. I think Spurs beat the Nuggets with another solid big man. Thad Young or Julius Randle would be better, but I don’t think either is realistic for us.

[Degoat]

We have a ton of wing players. Spurs still got Lonnie Walker to develop.

I mean more of a big wing SF/PF player, Lonnie is more of a SG.

[exstatic]

Metu will be fine. Let the kid develop.

timvp said that he was drafted on the basis of setting great picks at USC, and rolling to the rim. If that's his skill set, he should fucking stick to it. He's a walking disaster handling or shooting the ball.

[exstatic]

Sorry, I meant the full MLE for next year, not a long term one. Basically, bring back Gay the use the available money on Taj Gibson. I think Spurs beat the Nuggets with another solid big man. Thad Young or Julius Randle would be better, but I don’t think either is realistic for us.

Taj is getting to that point where he can no longer switch out effectively, and would get pick and rolled to death in the playoffs, much like Beli did this year. Taj from 4-5 years ago would still have value, but he ain't that guy any more.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs need forwards who can defend and shoot the 3. A player who can't do both of these things shouldn't even be on their radar

[spurraider21]

Spurs need forwards who can defend and shoot the 3. A player who can't do both of these things shouldn't even be on their radar
or derozan who does neither

[palangi]

timvp said that he was drafted on the basis of setting great picks at USC, and rolling to the rim. If that's his skill set, he should fucking stick to it. He's a walking disaster handling or shooting the ball.

Definitely over blowing things to make yourself feel right. Whatever.
Metu is a second round big with good athleticism. Let him develop a little before your incredible basketball mind shoves him aside.

[slick'81]

or derozan who does neither


Wish we could move the midrange king

[Dejounte]

Trade Bertans for a late 1st

PG: Murray/ White/ Mills
SG: DeRozan/ Lonnie/ Forbes
SF: Gay/ Luka Semanic/ Isaiah Roby
PF: Aldridge/ Grant Williams/ Ben Moore
C: Poetl/ Metu/ Eubanks

With this line-up, we go to the Finals. Its a complete roster with no handicaps at defense. Everyone is switchable. Adding three players with tons of potential. Thats still 14 players, room for one more with the MLE.

[picnroll]

Watching some tape on Neemias Queta, he looks like an interesting prospect.

[BackHome]

He is raw as fuck but I think Timmy could really help him develop and reach his potential

[RC_Drunkford]

or derozan who does neither

true but Pop plays him out of position. He's a 2 not a 3

[Dverde]

Trade Bertans for a late 1st

PG: Murray/ White/ Mills
SG: DeRozan/ Lonnie/ Forbes
SF: Gay/ Luka Semanic/ Isaiah Roby
PF: Aldridge/ Grant Williams/ Ben Moore
C: Poetl/ Metu/ Eubanks

With this line-up, we go to the Finals. Its a complete roster with no handicaps at defense. Everyone is switchable. Adding three players with tons of potential. Thats still 14 players, room for one more with the MLE.

:lol Pop don’t even play rookies. Bertrans barely played in the playoffs, yet without him we are going to the finals the following year :lol :lol

[Dejounte]

:lol Pop don’t even play rookies. Bertrans barely played in the playoffs, yet without him we are going to the finals the following year :lol :lol

In this scenario Gay and Aldridge take up a lot of minutes allowing the rooks to grow through the season.

[RC_Drunkford]

Trade Bertans for a late 1st

PG: Murray/ White/ Mills
SG: DeRozan/ Lonnie/ Forbes
SF: Gay/ Luka Semanic/ Isaiah Roby
PF: Aldridge/ Grant Williams/ Ben Moore
C: Poetl/ Metu/ Eubanks

With this line-up, we go to the Finals. Its a complete roster with no handicaps at defense. Everyone is switchable. Adding three players with tons of potential. Thats still 14 players, room for one more with the MLE.

:lmao that line up doesn't make it out of the first round. Use the MLE on somebody significant instead of adding 3 rookies

[Dejounte]

:lmao that line up doesn't make it out of the first round. Use the MLE on somebody significant instead of adding 3 rookies

Umm why cant we do both?

[sasaint]

Trade Bertans for a late 1st

PG: Murray/ White/ Mills
SG: DeRozan/ Lonnie/ Forbes
SF: Gay/ Luka Semanic/ Isaiah Roby
PF: Aldridge/ Grant Williams/ Ben Moore
C: Poetl/ Metu/ Eubanks

With this line-up, we go to the Finals. Its a complete roster with no handicaps at defense. Everyone is switchable. Adding three players with tons of potential. Thats still 14 players, room for one more with the MLE.


I count 15, fwiw.

[BackHome]

Take someone out and put in Nikola

[slick'81]

Take someone out and put in Nikola

Ewwbanks duh

[palangi]

:lmao that line up doesn't make it out of the first round. Use the MLE on somebody significant instead of adding 3 rookies

The clippers made the playoffs with 3 rookies. Don't go full pop and think only veterans can get it done.
Never go full pop!

[sasaint]

The clippers made the playoffs with 3 rookies. Don't go full pop and think only veterans can get it done.
Never go full pop!

As long as Pop is the HC, you gotta tailor your projections to his propensities.

[palangi]

As long as Pop is the HC, you gotta tailor your projections to his propensities.

I agree. But he also said last year was one of his more favorites. I wonder if he is softening up to younger players. And gets to be a bit more of a teacher again, rather than a manager

[RC_Drunkford]

The clippers made the playoffs with 3 rookies. Don't go full pop and think only veterans can get it done.
Never go full pop!


So did the Spurs and I said they would again but be a first round out like the Clippers. It's about improving and you don't improve by adding 3 rookies. Need to add at least 1 good 3

[Dejounte]

So did the Spurs and I said they would again but be a first round out like the Clippers. It's about improving and you don't improve by adding 3 rookies. Need to add at least 1 good 3

What are you proposing with our 3 picks? I already said we are able to use the 3 picks AND the MLE to improve. How much change do you think will happen this offseason?

[RC_Drunkford]

What are you proposing with our 3 picks? I already said we are able to use the 3 picks AND the MLE to improve. How much change do you think will happen this offseason?

yet when you predicted next years roster you added 3 draft picks and Eubanks while also trading Bertans :lol

[Dejounte]

yet when you predicted next years roster you added 3 draft picks and Eubanks while also trading Bertans :lol

Yeah, and adding a free agent with our MLE. Bertans is not a significant to this team. If theres someone with more potential, you go for it. Again, what are you proposing we do? How much different than what I proposed do you think this offseason should become?

[palangi]

So did the Spurs and I said they would again but be a first round out like the Clippers. It's about improving and you don't improve by adding 3 rookies. Need to add at least 1 good 3

The spurs and clippers are coming from different spots. The clippers weren't even thought to make the playoffs. We already are a playoff team. Adding talent weather from the draft or veterans doesn't matter. But adding talent through the draft builds for the future.

[sasaint]

I agree. But he also said last year was one of his more favorites. I wonder if he is softening up to younger players. And gets to be a bit more of a teacher again, rather than a manager

I don't see it. Not as long as Pop regards LMA and Dumbmar as the core.

[RC_Drunkford]

The spurs and clippers are coming from different spots. The clippers weren't even thought to make the playoffs. We already are a playoff team. Adding talent weather from the draft or veterans doesn't matter. But adding talent through the draft builds for the future.

Nobody said they shouldn't add draft picks, I said they should not add 3 of them

[Dejounte]

Nobody said they shouldn't add draft picks, I said they should not add 3 of them

So what do we do with the three picks we have? Do we trade one away? Youre so vague, man. Im not sure youre aware we currently have three picks to use. Two first round picks and 1 second round pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

Trade Bertans for a late 1st

PG: Murray/ White/ Mills
SG: DeRozan/ Lonnie/ Forbes
SF: Gay/ Luka Semanic/ Isaiah Roby
PF: Aldridge/ Grant Williams/ Ben Moore
C: Poetl/ Metu/ Eubanks

With this line-up, we go to the Finals. Its a complete roster with no handicaps at defense. Everyone is switchable. Adding three players with tons of potential. Thats still 14 players, room for one more with the MLE.

This is what you said, if you can count that's 15 Players and this line up doesn't go nowhere. Matter of fact as long as Golden State keeps the band together nobody out west goes to the finals besides them. You said THIS roster goes to the finals, so the MLE doesn't matter here since you didn't add anybody to it.

PG: Murray/White/Mills
SG: DeRozan/Walker/Forbes
SF: Morris/Cameron Johnson/Belinelli
PF: Gay/Bertans/Hachimura/Metu
C: Aldridge/Poeltl

something like this makes way more sense, especially if you got a C like Eubanks as a 2-way-contract. I still think a little trade would help. Would most likely get rid of Belinelli since Mills won't be moved anyway, but it could be Bertans or Forbes also. Maybe a sign and trade with the Pelicans and Stanley Johnson. He's an RFA so getting him since he's out west would be pretty difficult.

Cam Johnson is a very seasoned college player and knock down shooter so he could contribute right away. I want Hachimura, but I'd be happy with Roby too, he's one of my top prospects. They should try to move up in the 2nd round to get one of the injured players (Okeke, Porter) or a big like Claxton with a pick in the early 30s and sign that player to a 2-way.
MLE targets should be Marcus Morris, Thad Young, Ariza, etc.
I think a trade with the Hawks should be looked at, maybe they are willing to give up Prince & Bazemore, but it really depends on the asking price.
If you can play line ups of White/Murray/DeRozan/Morris/LA or White or Murray/DeRozan/Morris/Gay/LA that could give a lot of teams hell on defense and offense. Morris is a player that can go off for 25 points on any given night while also playing great D and bringing some toughness. Not sure if 9.1 million is enough though. If KD goes East and no other superteam forms, that team might make it to the finals, but only if all stars align, meaning DeRozan hits 3s, Murray looks like an All-Star, White improves, Walker cracks the rotation, LA and Gay don't decline and at least 1 of the 2 rookies plays well off the bench.

[Dejounte]

Oh god not rui again. Marcus Morris is trash. Poetl is not coming off the bench for us. Hes being groomed to be our starting C for the next decade...thats why he was that towards the end of the season. Anyway no point in arguing about this until draft night... I cant wait to not draft Rui Hachimura.

[RC_Drunkford]

Oh god not rui again. Marcus Morris is trash. Poetl is not coming off the bench for us. Hes being groomed to be our starting C for the next decade...thats why he was that towards the end of the season. Anyway no point in arguing about this until draft night... I cant wait to not draft Rui Hachimura.

says the guy who thinks Samanic is a game changer :lmao

[Dejounte]

says the guy who thinks Samanic is a game changer :lmao

Im banking on one of those three to be a game changer. Lets wait until draft night to see who laughs last.

[MoSpur02]

I want Eric Paschall to be a late first round pickup or second round of he is still there. Good handles, good outside jumper, NBA ready body, drives to the left and right, high basketball IQ, and great at finishing around the rim.

[Dejounte]

I want Eric Paschall to be a late first round pickup or second round of he is still there. Good handles, good outside jumper, NBA ready body, drives to the left and right, high basketball IQ, and great at finishing around the rim.

I was high on this guy until i realized he might just be another Quincy Pondexter since they have the same body type and they kind of play alike.

[MoSpur02]

I was high on this guy until i realized he might just be another Quincy Pondexter since they have the same body type and they kind of play alike.

I think he is a better athlete and shooter than Pondexter.

[Degoat]

Pondexter was a pretty good 3 and D before all of his injuries in regards to the Eric paschall comparison

[ZeusWillJudge]

more guards? That's weird. He was a Philly 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft, not sure if they still hold those rights

It would be nice to have a natural PG on the roster, and Micic would be a good pickup, I think. I think Micic would be a good pickup, but I was sort of surprised that Teodosic's playmaking didn't really translate as well as I thought it would. Micic is a better defender, IMO, but I would have expected Teo to be better on the offensive end.

I've tried to figure out why Messina would be talking about him, and about his and Pop's conversations about him. Philly holds his draft rights. I haven't seen anything about him actually signing the extension with Efes, but even if he passed the Spurs would still have to make arrangements to get him away from the Sixers. Philadelphia has a buttload of cap space - maybe the Spurs could send Patty straight up for his draft rights. :lol

[JuneJive]

Sixers need shooting and experience.

As Pop "let" Parker go, i could see him parting ways with Patty annd then Rudy / LMA taking the elders role. Who knows.

Phila will not use their 5 picks in the 2nd round. No way they add that many new players.

Micic is a decent player who could be had for the cheap. Even without the Mills trade.

Btw haven't seen any talk about O’Shae Brissett.

A type of wing that the Spurs could really use. 3PT shooting being his only glaring weakness.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1131896645598285824

[NickiRasgo]

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1131896645598285824

Already 22 years old but I watched his highlights, got a good shooting stroke. He looks smaller than his listed height though (6'7"). Could be a next Draymond Green? Not bad for 29th pick I guess. I like his energy and how he moves for his size and position.

Sadly, I think the Warriors got an eye on this guy.

[NickiRasgo]

Damn. I already liked this Eric Paschall. Minus the measurements (can't see an accurate data) and his age, he's an NBA ready type of player. I see Paul Millsap/Draymond Green in him. He can ball and defend, he's pretty mobile and athletic for his listed position (PF).

[duncan2150]

Damn. I already liked this Eric Paschall. Minus the measurements (can't see an accurate data) and his age, he's an NBA ready type of player. I see Paul Millsap/Draymond Green in him. He can ball and defend, he's pretty mobile and athletic for his listed position (PF).

he had pretty good results as a leaper ( max vert...) but was not good at agility drills ( shuttle run, three quarter sprint ....). I think also that he is ready and can contribute to an nba team.

[NickiRasgo]

he had pretty good results as a leaper ( max vert...) but was not good at agility drills ( shuttle run, three quarter sprint ....). I think also that he is ready and can contribute to an nba team.

Still, not bad since he's a PF. He seems pretty mobile in half-court. I won't be mad if the Spurs pick this guy at 29th pick.

[Dejounte]

Still, not bad since he's a PF. He seems pretty mobile in half-court. I won't be mad if the Spurs pick this guy at 29th pick.

I dont think hes a PF. He even calls himself a guard on his instagrm. This dude wants to play a wing role.

[NickiRasgo]

I dont think hes a PF. He even calls himself a guard on his instagrm. This dude wants to play a wing role.

Well he's listed as PF on some other site. Well good to know he's a combo forward. Hope he's somehow strong like D. Green or P. Millsap.

[Dejounte]

Well he's listed as PF on some other site. Well good to know he's a combo forward. Hope he's somehow strong like D. Green or P. Millsap.

Have you watched some of his film? I just hate most of these sites sometimes where they totally get these players positions wrong. Though Rui is listed as a PF on most sites, most people here have no issues calling him a SF. It is weird. But i agree he is a PF just because of the way he plays vs how Eric Paschall plays.

[Genovaswitness]

this offseason can only be a win if one of patty, derozan or Aldridge goes

[ceperez]

Second round pick ... Tyus Battle:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=58&v=fMSJxgGOlKk

[Fusternino]

Honestly, having SloMo on the team would help with the need for a true combo forward.

[Brazil]

Honestly, having SloMo on the team would help with the need for a true combo forward.

:vomit:

[GreekSpursfan]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this name but i read somewhere that we are one of three NBA teams interested in Vincent Poirier. I have seen enough of this guy. He's a big man, strictly a roll man offensively, no post move, no outside shot, he can pass. He has some potential and it wouldn't be a bad option, i like him.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this name but i read somewhere that we are one of three NBA teams interested in Vincent Poirier. I have seen enough of this guy. He's a big man, strictly a roll man offensively, no post move, no outside shot, he can pass. He has some potential and it wouldn't be a bad option, i like him.

you the best at finding the Spurs Euroleague targets man. I read that he's a Euroleague rookie and was already considered for defensive player of the year?

[GreekSpursfan]

you the best at finding the Spurs Euroleague targets man. I read that he's a Euroleague rookie and was already considered for defensive player of the year?

Thx man. You are right, i forgot to mention that he was very solid defensively albeit against mediocre competition.

[LCM]

Tatted up, younger, slightly more athletic version of OKC's Adams. Looks like he's been in a Russian prison movie. Thought he looked great. Sets good screens, rolls well, dunks with an attitude and is very athletic on the alley oops. Good position defender, nice week side help, and when he blocks he keeps the ball in play. Solid rebounder, but he'll get called for the over the back stuff more in NBA when he's trying to keep the ball alive for an offensive rebound.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Bleacher Report published a mock draft after seeing some combine results, and it actually has some interesting comments and observations. Some are the same things we've been hearing, but some are fresh. And even some of the old comments are enhanced by combine observations:


Whoever drafts Bitadze will just have to worry about teams targeting him defensively with pick-and-rolls. [Exactly what they do to Boban.]

If Bol can hold up physically, he could become a steal outside the lottery.

Without a point guard worth taking at No. 11, Minnesota could look to trade up for Garland or White. Otherwise, it could select Hachimura, who'll be in the late-lottery mix for certain teams even though scouts are seemingly split on him.

The Celtics could always use shooters to surround their core scorers, and [Tyler] Herro is bound to wow during workouts with his textbook form and effortless range. [No mention of any skills other than being a shooter.]

[Kabengele] Workouts can now act as a launching pad since he'd been forced to come off the bench for consecutive seasons at Florida State. [No mention of the fact that he was forced to come off the bench for consecutive seasons because he wasn't as good as the player ahead of him.]

With questions about [Keldon] Johnson's ball-handling and shooting but promise tied to his downhill scoring ability, set shots and defensive potential, he figures to earn consideration in the tier that follows the lottery.

One of the most convincing shooters in the draft, [Cam] Johnson has a bankable skill that could allow Utah to overlook his age (23) and limited upside. The Jazz would view him as an appealing value pick capable of contributing on a rookie contract, especially since Kyle Korver offered little in the playoffs.

[Grant] Williams may have lost some supporters at the combine when he struggled to make shots against second-round prospects during scrimmages.

Samanic may have earned a guaranteed NBA contract by separating himself during Thursday's scrimmage at the combine in Chicago. The 6'11" forward checks the right boxes with three-point range, the ability to face up and handle and a knack for sliding defensively.

[Nickeil] Alexander-Walker regressed as the season progressed, but he'll still draw first-round interest for his offensive versatility.

This late [27], Okeke could be viewed as a value pick who may have gone earlier had he not torn an ACL. [With the Spurs' roster situation, it really looks like a time to make a longer term investment if he falls two more spots.]

Okpala raised his scoring average to 16.8 points as a sophomore and still has significant room to improve his shot creation and shooting. He'll be hit or miss with upside fueled by positional size (6'9", 210 pounds) and scoring versatility but no established skills to bank on.


[Isaiah] Roby had a strong second scrimmage at the combine, and staying in the draft would likely mean he received some positive assurance about his stock.

[Degoat]

It’ll be interesting if the spurs still consider Chimezie Metu apart of the young core of guys we have. Im hoping for him but if we were to draft a big in this upcoming draft we won’t really need him

[cjw]

It’ll be interesting if the spurs still consider Chimezie Metu apart of the young core of guys we have. Im hoping for him but if we were to draft a big in this upcoming draft we won’t really need him

Metu has an extremely team-friendly contract. They used part of the MLE to sign him to a deal not typical of second rounders last year in order to give him time to develop. No guarantees after this year, but a cheap salary in year 3 if they do pick it up and a cheap QO in year four.

Unless a big is super high on their boards and available at 19/29, I don’t see them drafting one. Though they could use Metu to move up a spot or two as well, but that would require that team valuing him as a second round prospect.

[ceperez]

Metu has an extremely team-friendly contract. They used part of the MLE to sign him to a deal not typical of second rounders last year in order to give him time to develop. No guarantees after this year, but a cheap salary in year 3 if they do pick it up and a cheap QO in year four.

Unless a big is super high on their boards and available at 19/29, I don’t see them drafting one. Though they could use Metu to move up a spot or two as well, but that would require that team valuing him as a second round prospect.

Yes, Metu is indeed a cheap salary and the Spurs almost never sign a 2nd round pick. The last time was with Blair and DeColo (2009)

[mo7888]

I think 29 + Metu could move up to Portlands or Cleveland's pick in the 20's.

[cd021]

I think 29 + Metu could move up to Portlands or Cleveland's pick in the 20's.
Why would Portland or Cleveland do that? Also the Spurs clearly like him, probably give him another season before moving on.

[mo7888]

Why would Portland or Cleveland do that? Also the Spurs clearly like him, probably give him another season before moving on.

I think there a chance we waive him if we find someone we like better anyway. The reason Cleveland might do it is they only drop back a few spots and they get a young guy they can develop on a cheap contract for 2 more years. Portland, much the same reasons although their motivation would be because they are faced with filling spots with a very expensive roster.

[DPG21920]

timvp Chinook - saw/participated in a convo on Twitter regarding SA actually needing to or having a reason to use the MLE if they dont make a trade(s).

If we assume they re-sign Rudy and don’t make a trades, why would they spend money on anyone with the MLE when A) they have draft picks they might get players with & B) there aren’t minutes for said player

Minutes:

PG: Murray 25, White 10, Mills 13
SG: White 20, Forbes 25, Lonnie or Beli or Mills 3
SF: DeRozan 33, Lonnie 15 or Beli/Bertans get some minutes
PF: LMA 15, Rudy 23, Bertans 10
C: LMA 18, Poeltl 25, ?? (Eubanks, or Milu or Draft Pick)

Where are there even minutes for a FA even with lowering Mills/Beli minutes a lot over last year?

[Chinook]

Bertans will get less. Forbes will get less. Pop won't start two bigs or play a three-big rotation. Team should get a real PF rather than the comb-over job that suggested rotation would amount to.

[DPG21920]

Bertans will get less. Forbes will get less. Pop won't start two bigs or play a three-big rotation. Team should get a real PF rather than the comb-over job that suggested rotation would amount to.

If that is the case, then why would you re-sign Rudy?

But I only have Bertans getting 10 minutes, if he is getting less he should be traded for something. I don’t see how Forbes will get less than he did last year - if minutes are going to be cut you would think Mills/Beli would be first in line, no?

Minutes:

PG: Murray 25, White 10, Mills 13
SG: White 20, Forbes 25, Lonnie or Beli or Mills 3
SF: DeRozan 33, Lonnie 15 or Beli/Bertans
PF: LMA 0-5, Rudy 23, PF to be added would have 20-25MPG if LMA plays strictly C
C: LMA 28, Poeltl 20

Even in this scenario, I don’t see where you use the MLE unless you only sign a PF. That is the only minutes that *might* be open. But then again, if you draft one, are those 20-25 minutes really there enough for you to impact future cap space?

[cd021]

timvp Chinook - saw/participated in a convo on Twitter regarding SA actually needing to or having a reason to use the MLE if they dont make a trade(s).

If we assume they re-sign Rudy and don’t make a trades, why would they spend money on anyone with the MLE when A) they have draft picks they might get players with & B) there aren’t minutes for said player

Minutes:

PG: Murray 25, White 10, Mills 13
SG: White 20, Forbes 25, Lonnie or Beli or Mills 3
SF: DeRozan 33, Lonnie 15 or Beli/Bertans get some minutes
PF: LMA 15, Rudy 23, Bertans 10
C: LMA 18, Poeltl 25, ?? (Eubanks, or Milu or Draft Pick)

Where are there even minutes for a FA even with lowering Mills/Beli minutes a lot over last year?

I am curious why people assume White will start, Forbes makes more sense with the starters than with Mills and Beli on the bench. I see two possible rotations;

Murray, Forbes, DDR, Gay/Bertans, LMA
Mills, White, Beli/Walker, Bertans/Gay and Jakob

Or
Murray, Forbes, DDR, LMA, Poeltl
Mills White, Bertans/Beli/Walker, and Gay

There really isn't minutes for an MLE player, unless it's Milutinov who would be on a multi year deal.

If Jakob starts, then it creates a real log jam at 3 with Bertans, Beli and ,to a lesser extent, Walker battling for up to 15 MPG behind DDR.

If he doesn't then there would be 10 rotation players. In either scenario White would be in the 26-28 minutes range per game with Forbes starting and playing 18-22 minutes

[DPG21920]

I am curious why people assume White will start, Forbes makes more sense with the starters than with Mills and Beli on the bench. I see two possible rotations;

My chart was not an assumption of start/bench; it was about minutes.


Murray, Forbes, DDR, Gay/Bertans, LMA
Mills, White, Beli/Walker, Bertans/Gay and Jakob

Or
Murray, Forbes, DDR, LMA, Poeltl
Mills White, Bertans/Beli/Walker, and Gay

There really isn't minutes for an MLE player, unless it's Milutinov who would be on a multi year deal.

If Jakob starts, then it creates a real log jam at 3 with Bertans, Beli and ,to a lesser extent, Walker battling for up to 15 MPG behind DDR.

If he doesn't then there would be 10 rotation players. In either scenario White would be in the 26-28 minutes range per game with Forbes starting and playing 18-22 minutes

I really don’t see Forbes losing minutes. He was very good. Mills/Beli are who SHOULD lose minutes. Those go to Dejounte.

[Degoat]

Man I know spurs don’t like trading guys but some of are guards have to go. Both Murray and White ideally should play about 30 mpg at least, Forbes should get solid minutes, hopefully Lonnie too but I dont see where mills or Belly fit into the equation. Unfortunately knowing Pop they probably fit ahead of Lonnie and Forbes but idk will see what happens, watch I bet we draft another guard too lol

[Chinook]

If that is the case, then why would you re-sign Rudy?

But I only have Bertans getting 10 minutes, if he is getting less he should be traded for something. I don’t see how Forbes will get less than he did last year - if minutes are going to be cut you would think Mills/Beli would be first in line, no?

Minutes:

PG: Murray 25, White 10, Mills 13
SG: White 20, Forbes 25, Lonnie or Beli or Mills 3
SF: DeRozan 33, Lonnie 15 or Beli/Bertans
PF: LMA 0-5, Rudy 23, PF to be added would have 20-25MPG if LMA plays strictly C
C: LMA 28, Poeltl 20

Even in this scenario, I don’t see where you use the MLE unless you only sign a PF. That is the only minutes that *might* be open. But then again, if you draft one, are those 20-25 minutes really there enough for you to impact future cap space?

A 20-25 minute role is totally something to "impact future cap space" for, especially if the team is more thinking 2021 will be the year rather than 2020. Regardless, unless someone like Durant opts in or signs a one-year deal, the 2020 free-agent market isn't all that great. I'm sure there will be good players available, but there isn't a max guy besides Davis. The 2012 draft was pretty bad. There's a really good chance the Spurs won't even go below the cap that year considering how big Poeltl's cap hold is and the option to reup Forbes/Beli/Bertans. If the team believes they can sign Davis or whatever, by all means, go for it. But then they should consider trading Jakob and even Murray if they don't think he'll be a legit title-level star. Their cap holds have a much bigger effect on the cap than an MLE guy.

How do you not see Forbes getting fewer minutes when two guards are added to the rotation? I think Pop likes Bryn and will play him, but he's not giving him more than half a game just to come in and shoot unless no one else on the team can do it. If Pop truly feels the need to give Forbes more than a quarter of the guard minutes despite having three draftees and two prominent vets there, well I won't know what to say.

The biggest issue is that there will be minutes for a legit PF because there is a need for one. You don't not have a front court just so you can refuse to sort out a strict rotation among your back court. Just because you have several guys "worthy of minutes" doesn't mean they should all get them. During a season once the roster is mostly locked in, it's fine to play the best guys as much as you can. But when you actually have a chance to make that roster, you don't force yourself to have constraints that aren't there. They don't have to play Beli or Walker at the three, and they don't have to play Bertans at the four. They can and should seek out better players that can stabilize the team's performance on both ends. And boohoo to the guys who get left out in the cold because of it.

Obviously, I don't think PATFO will go for that. They may well believe last year's rotation with Murray getting all of the Cun and Pon minutes is the way to go. They may arbitrarily play a nine-man rotation so they don't have to deal with the fact that they don't have a forward who can do Poeltl's job with the starters. They'll bring in a couple of rookies they don't play and some half-baked third-string five who will somehow also get minutes despite already having two guys ahead of him in the rotation. If your point is that there will be guys to play all 240 minutes every night, I agree. But my point was that the MLE could legitimately upgrade a legit portion of those 240 minutes, and that is worth the cap implications down the road.

[cd021]

My chart was not an assumption of start/bench; it was about minutes.



I really don’t see Forbes losing minutes. He was very good. Mills/Beli are who SHOULD lose minutes. Those go to Dejounte.

Dejounte is coming back from a serious injury, I expect him to average around 28 mpg then get ramped up heading to the playoffs, Mills would play around 20 mpg in that scenario.

White would eat up most of the backup shooting guard minutes while Forbes stars in plays around 20 minutes per game. Forbes shooting fits better with the starting unit, while White would be the six man and run offense from the bench.

The problem that the Spurs have is that cutting Mills, Belinelli, and or Bertans minutes means you're taking out one of their best shooters on a team that desperately needs shooting.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should absolutely use the MLE on a SF/PF. I still think they gotta make a trade to clear the logjam at the guard spots

[DPG21920]

A 20-25 minute role is totally something to "impact future cap space" for, especially if the team is more thinking 2021 will be the year rather than 2020. Regardless, unless someone like Durant opts in or signs a one-year deal, the 2020 free-agent market isn't all that great. I'm sure there will be good players available, but there isn't a max guy besides Davis. The 2012 draft was pretty bad. There's a really good chance the Spurs won't even go below the cap that year considering how big Poeltl's cap hold is and the option to reup Forbes/Beli/Bertans. If the team believes they can sign Davis or whatever, by all means, go for it. But then they should consider trading Jakob and even Murray if they don't think he'll be a legit title-level star. Their cap holds have a much bigger effect on the cap than an MLE guy.

How do you not see Forbes getting fewer minutes when two guards are added to the rotation? I think Pop likes Bryn and will play him, but he's not giving him more than half a game just to come in and shoot unless no one else on the team can do it. If Pop truly feels the need to give Forbes more than a quarter of the guard minutes despite having three draftees and two prominent vets there, well I won't know what to say.

The biggest issue is that there will be minutes for a legit PF because there is a need for one. You don't not have a front court just so you can refuse to sort out a strict rotation among your back court. Just because you have several guys "worthy of minutes" doesn't mean they should all get them. During a season once the roster is mostly locked in, it's fine to play the best guys as much as you can. But when you actually have a chance to make that roster, you don't force yourself to have constraints that aren't there. They don't have to play Beli or Walker at the three, and they don't have to play Bertans at the four. They can and should seek out better players that can stabilize the team's performance on both ends. And boohoo to the guys who get left out in the cold because of it.

Obviously, I don't think PATFO will go for that. They may well believe last year's rotation with Murray getting all of the Cun and Pon minutes is the way to go. They may arbitrarily play a nine-man rotation so they don't have to deal with the fact that they don't have a forward who can do Poeltl's job with the starters. They'll bring in a couple of rookies they don't play and some half-baked third-string five who will somehow also get minutes despite already having two guys ahead of him in the rotation. If your point is that there will be guys to play all 240 minutes every night, I agree. But my point was that the MLE could legitimately upgrade a legit portion of those 240 minutes, and that is worth the cap implications down the road.

Good post - I was making some assumptions with my original question biggest being that LMA + Poeltl would get 10-15 MPG together.

Then after that assumptions was that Mills/Beli would have minutes reduced for Murray + Forbes along with no QP or Cunn.

Lastly was that if LMA doesnt play PF and SA drafts one is there a need for the MLE (which you addressed)

Personally I think there will be some trades

[R. DeMurre]

Tatted up, younger, slightly more athletic version of OKC's Adams. Looks like he's been in a Russian prison movie. Thought he looked great.

:lol:toast

[Dejounte]

Bertans will get less. Forbes will get less. Pop won't start two bigs or play a three-big rotation. Team should get a real PF rather than the comb-over job that suggested rotation would amount to.

Wrong. We will play LMA and Poetl as starters next season. I hate when you post like a know-it-all as if you knew for sure the Spurs will play this line-up that has Aldridge as our center when there is absolutely no basis for it. Even Aldridge has stated PF is his natural position and even when we had ended the season with Aldridge and Poetl starting together. Sometimes youre a good poster and sometimes you just suck, man. I cant wait until next season starts and/or when this team doesnt find a PF you claim the Spurs should get to start with Aldridge. So dumb.