Marco Belinelli plus someone else possibly going to be traded

[Leetonidas]

Trey Lyles sucks. Really hope he's not a target

[Mr. Body]

JaMychal Green committed to a deal already. Oubre is pretty much the only FA forward who can shoot the 3, and who has a salary that makes any kind of sense. Last I heard, Phoenix had extended him a QO, and they're carrying a cap hold of close to $10M until he signs somewhere. If he doesn't want to be there, I'm sure he doesn't want to bring them an offer sheet they can match. So a S&T deal makes sense, I guess. I just don't see any other FA's that come close to making sense.

If it's the S&T for Morris, to also get Lyles, the 3P shooting forward must be Morris. Lyles was absolutely terrible from the arc last year.

There's a reason the Nuggets are letting him walk at 23. He's not good. He's never been good. There's a reason Utah pushed him out. I don't know why this board is suddenly lusting after this guy.

[Gandalf]

Maybe bring Milutinov over with some of the MLE money if we need another big, or has that ship sailed?

[slick'81]

Trey Lyles sucks. Really hope he's not a target

Definitely

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Suns announced that they signed Rubio a few hours ago. They have to make a roster move to accommodate that signing, if they want to keep Oubre's $10M cap hold. One more thing that makes a S&T deal to move him more believable.

[apalisoc_9]

Lyles is basically food for SFs and Strong PFs and his 3 is questionable. It cant be him.

[timvp]

So if they do a sign and trade for Morris, then they have money to sign another player with the MLE money?

Yes. But reports say the Celtics renounced Morris so, if that's right, they can't do a sign-and-trade.

I'm looking and it miiight be possible that they didn't renounce Morris because they haven't officially signed Kanter or Theis yet ... or either of their first round picks. Hmmm...

[Mugen]

Lyles would be 3rd string, basically Austin Daye. Nobody is lusting after him, people just want to see Beli gone :lol

[DPG21920]

I mean, SA doesn’t need cap space for any FA left IMO. So it’s not a big trade for DeRozan or LMA. If they dump Beli to open up a roster spot vs getting a player and Morris is not S&T (which seems unlikely at this point) then SA only has the min.

Either BOS can still S&T Morris or it’s not for signing a FA but trading for an actual player. We shall see.

[tmtcsc]

Steven Adams?

[slick'81]

So we did a sign and trade with nj to then perform a s&t with bos and finally a s&t with the suns?:lol

[NASpurs]

Lyles would be 3rd string, basically Austin Daye. Nobody is lusting after him, people just want to see Beli gone :lol

One person casually mentions him and the board gets grouped up as “lusting” after him. :lol

[timvp]

i dont know if morris was ever actually renounced. the thought was boston had to renounce him to sign kemba, but they ended up making kemba-rozier a sign and trade. perhaps that means they didnt renounce morris (dont think ive seen an article explicitly conforming morris was renounced). but still, it would mean morris would have to have a 3 year deal, not a 2 year deal like we've seen reported

Yeah, this is some complicated math trying to figure out if he had to be renounced :lol

It comes down to the order they're going to do their other transactions. Morris' cap hold is/was only $10 million ... so it looks possible that they could have held onto it while delaying Kanter, Thies and the picks but I'm not 100% sure.

[Trainwreck2100]

Yes. But reports say the Celtics renounced Morris so, if that's right, they can't do a sign-and-trade.

I'm looking and it miiight be possible that they didn't renounce Morris because they haven't officially signed Kanter or Theis yet ... or either of their first round picks. Hmmm...

I think the had to renounce him for the walker signing

[DAF86]

Trade Covington for Beli and Mills and Beal for DeRozan and a pick.

White
Beal
Covington
Morris
Aldridge

Murray
Walker
Carroll
Gay
Poeltl

Just hand us the lob already

[offset formation]

So we did a sign and trade with nj to then perform a s&t with bos and finally a s&t with the suns?:lol

:dizzy

[Dennis the Menace]

As long as Murray, White, Lonnie aren’t touched I’m good. Pitchforks would come out to the corporate offices if so

[NASpurs]

Trade Covington for Beli and Mills and Beal for DeRozan and a pick.

White
Beal
Covington
Morris
Aldridge

Murray
Walker
Carroll
Gay
Poeltl

Just hand us the lob already

The amount of drugs taken must have been excessive but I support the vision.

[sexinthatsx]

It better be for a center.

[Mugen]

Maybe Kawhi told Marco to request a trade.

[TimDunkem]

One person casually mentions him and the board gets grouped up as “lusting” after him. :lol

Exactly. That's ST for you. :lol

[timvp]

Lyles would be 3rd string, basically Austin Daye. Nobody is lusting after him, people just want to see Beli gone :lol

Yeah, Lyles is just a perimeter shooting power forward (as OP said was the target) who happened to be renounced today. I don't think anyone wants him specifically, tbh. He's young enough that you can stick him at the end of the bench and see what happens in a couple years.

[TimDunkem]

Trade Covington for Beli and Mills and Beal for DeRozan and a pick.

White
Beal
Covington
Morris
Aldridge

Murray
Walker
Carroll
Gay
Poeltl

Just hand us the lob already

MyLeague in 2k is fun. Yeah.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, this is some complicated math trying to figure out if he had to be renounced :lol

It comes down to the order they're going to do their other transactions. Morris' cap hold is/was only $10 million ... so it looks possible that they could have held onto it while delaying Kanter, Thies and the picks but I'm not 100% sure.

The other complication with BOS is do they have roster spots for 2 for 1? Maybe they can do the trade, waive METU, then execute their other moves (or a third team comes into play)?

[DPG21920]

Yeah, Lyles is just a perimeter shooting power forward (as OP said was the target) who happened to be renounced today. I don't think anyone wants him specifically, tbh. He's young enough that you can stick him at the end of the bench and see what happens in a couple years.


Yeah, but at this point he’s likely a min player right? So you don’t need the MLE for him; just a roster spot.

[Degoat]

Pretty odd I really can’t see us trading any of are young players even Forbes, so that would leave Marco and patty but teams wouldn’t want either of those 2 lol maybe Marco/Metu

[DAF86]

The amount of drugs taken must have been excessive but I support the vision.

You are riiiiight sir.

[DPG21920]

Beli to Dallas, METU + 2nd round pick from SA to BOS + cash from Dallas to satisfy “touch” rule to buy out METU and Morris to SA?

[Ron Swanson]

Maybe Kawhi told Marco to request a trade.

Shit, does Marco have an uncle?

[DAF86]

Trade Covington for Beli and Mills and Beal for DeRozan and a pick.

White
Beal
Covington
Morris
Aldridge

Murray
Walker
Carroll
Gay
Poeltl

Just hand us the lob already

With the right amount of picks and young players this isn't all that imposible, imho.

[timvp]

Yeah, but at this point he’s likely a min player right? So you don’t need the MLE for him; just a roster spot.

My guess is he'd get more than the min. A restricted free agent allowed to become unrestricted right now usually means they have an interested team who is willing to sign him but doesn't want the drama of the restricted free agent process.

[Mr. Body]

With the right amount of picks and young players this isn't all that imposible, imho.

You just responded to yourself huh.

[Ron Swanson]

You just responded to yourself huh.

:lmao

[DPG21920]

My guess is he'd get more than the min. A restricted free agent allowed to become unrestricted right now usually means they have an interested team who is willing to sign him but doesn't want the drama of the restricted free agent process.

Hmmm

[cool cat]

You just responded to yourself huh.

When you forget to log into your alts.

[Mr. Body]

Just realized we're getting Draymond Green.

[slick'81]

You just responded to yourself huh.

:wow

[DAF86]

You just responded to yourself huh.

Yeah, because I noticed folks were acting like it was a Pipe dream. I just wanted to clarify that it isn't all that crazy, imho.

[spurraider21]

With the right amount of picks and young players this isn't all that imposible, imho.
you're not getting beal and Covington without giving up any of white/murray/walkerm let alone 2 of them

[DAF86]

:lmao

Seriously dogs, I thought my intentions were clear. :lol

[Ron Swanson]

Seriously dogs, I thought my intentions were clear. :lol

I know. It was just funny. :lol

[DAF86]

you're not getting beal and Covington without giving up any of white/murray/walkerm let alone 2 of them

I would give Murray and Walker, tbh. Though I admit I haven't seen what Walker did today. He scored nicely from what I gather.

[DAF86]

When you forget to log into your alts.

timvp can testify I have no alts, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

you're not getting beal and Covington without giving up any of white/murray/walkerm let alone 2 of them

You can with picks, but getting these two players would require a combined 3 first rounds a 3 2nd rounders at worst.

Thats basically giving away your future for a shot to beat Clips.

[DAF86]

When you forget to log into your alts.


:wow

Dudes, seriously. Just think a bit more. :lol

[slick'81]

Dudes, seriously. Just think a bit more. :lol


Were fcking with u bro:tongue your good

[szkorhetz]

You can with picks, but getting these two players would require a combined 3 first rounds a 3 2nd rounders at worst.

Thats basically giving away your future for a shot to beat Clips.
The Clips aren't so scary:
1. They best players play the exact same position
2. They starts are injury prone
3. Doc
4. The starting PG is fucking Beverly
5. They depth is questionable

[John B]

Zhou Qi from China?

[spurraider21]

Yeah, this is some complicated math trying to figure out if he had to be renounced :lol

It comes down to the order they're going to do their other transactions. Morris' cap hold is/was only $10 million ... so it looks possible that they could have held onto it while delaying Kanter, Thies and the picks but I'm not 100% sure.
interesting read. has boston since made any transactions that would necessarily indicate they chose to operate below the cap? of course, as manny said, still means morris's deal must have been 3 years, which hasn't been reported anywhere. i think its more likely they're just dumping to clear up roster space. in any event...


Boston will likely structure this trade as Brooklyn did – they’ll sign-and-trade Rozier to Charlotte and take back Walker’s max salary into the cap space vacated by Irving and Al Horford. There’s an opening for the Celtics to go through their entire summer as an over-the-cap team, should they want to keep the cap hold for Marcus Morris on the books, but it would cost them draft capital and may not be worthwhile for their goals. If it had been able to net them both Horford and Morris, as was the thought before Horford agreed to go to Philadelphia, then whatever picks needed to make the Irving move to Brooklyn would have been worth the trouble, but with just Morris leftover, Boston will likely go the cap space route.

https://earlybirdrights.com/2019/07/04/kemba-walker-terry-rozier-double-sign-and-trade-boston-celtics-charlotte-hornets/

[kobyz]

The Clips aren't so scary:
1. They best players play the exact same position
2. They starts are injury prone
3. Doc
4. The starting PG is fucking Beverly
5. They depth is questionable
1. Lou-Harrell clippers led team just took the Durant warriors to 6 games
2. They added Kawhi-PG
3. Doc
4. Shamet is about for a breakout year, Klay Thompson level shooter
5. They have crazy depth, 10 man rotation of positive players

[timvp]

interesting read. has boston since made any transactions that would necessarily indicate they chose to operate below the cap? of course, as manny said, still means morris's deal must have been 3 years, which hasn't been reported anywhere. i think its more likely they're just dumping to clear up roster space. in any event...



https://earlybirdrights.com/2019/07/04/kemba-walker-terry-rozier-double-sign-and-trade-boston-celtics-charlotte-hornets/

Good find. :tu

Hmmm ... it's close...

[Duncan87]

Think this mystery guy might just be Andre Iguodala Memphis has been loading up on shooters was talk last year between iggy and Spurs also Spurs might be trying to keep him from LA teams y’all think?think Marco and Metu deal

[DAF86]

Yeah, Kawhi would have an even better cast than with Toronto. I don't know why folks are saying the Clippers aren't all that, tbh. :lol

[raybies]

Think this mystery guy might just be Andre Iguodala Memphis has been loading up on shooters was talk last year between iggy and Spurs also Spurs might be trying to keep him from LA teams y’all think?think Marco and Metu deal
:tu I could see that

edit he makes a lot of money though. Don’t think salaries would match

Edit 2 belinelli and mills would work

[spurraider21]

:tu I could see that
would be weird to characterize him as a forward who could shoot from beyond the arc. i mean technically not inaccurate, but thats not how i'd describe him at all. heck if there was a guy on memphis i'd be talking about, it would be yuta. i doubt they move him though

besides, iggy isnt a free agent, which OP was specific about

[loveforthegame]

Think this mystery guy might just be Andre Iguodala Memphis has been loading up on shooters was talk last year between iggy and Spurs also Spurs might be trying to keep him from LA teams y’all think?think Marco and Metu deal

Could be on to something especially after seeing this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/1148461264064020481

[spurraider21]

I was told Marco and possibly another player to obtain a free agent. A forward free agent who has range on his jumper. Any forward power or small who can hit the three who is a FA jump out to y'all?
fyi... this is the post im referring to. the fact that its a FA narrows the field quite a bit. its why people are talking about lyles. its just odd, he doesnt seem like the caliber of player making it worth to jump all these hoops just to make space for him

iggy doesnt fit the bill

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[raybies]

Bruh what if it’s beli and metu to Celtics in sign and trade for Morris then we use the mle on korver. He just got waived today and would fit the back up 3. He’s a forward and shoots 3s. Could also see them adding TRob. I think his brother may have made a deal to get him in

[spurraider21]

because korver's going to be had for the veteran's minimum, likely for the lakers

[ZeusWillJudge]

Just saw another blip that the Suns' management met with Oubre on Sunday night and lowballed him, and he and his agent left pissed. With most all of the cap money dried up, they thought they had the upper hand. Now they've made the deal with Rubio, and they are actively looking for S&T deals so they can get Rubio signed.

Saw another article on ESPN that none of the big offer sheets that were expected for Oubre have come through, and he's starting to look like the last man standing when the music stopped. I didn't think there was a snowball's chance of getting Oubre for what the Spurs could pay. But it looks like someone is going to get him for less than expected.

The Spurs could easily just stand pat with Morris and Carroll, without all the gyrations. It seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through to bring in Lyles. I honestly don't know why he shot .250 from 3P last season, but dayum. DeRozan could do that. :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

because korver's going to be had for the veteran's minimum, likely for the lakers


Plus the fact that the Suns waived him, so there's no need to trade anyone to get him - and the fact that there's not a roster spot to sign him outright.

[Ice009]

Doc Rivers can't be that bad of a coach as some of you here keep saying. Tim Duncan wanted to play for him at a certain point in time too.

[spurraider21]

Just saw another blip that the Suns' management met with Oubre on Sunday night and lowballed him, and he and his agent left pissed. With most all of the cap money dried up, they thought they had the upper hand. Now they've made the deal with Rubio, and they are actively looking for S&T deals so they can get Rubio signed.

Saw another article on ESPN that none of the big offer sheets that were expected for Oubre have come through, and he's starting to look like the last man standing when the music stopped. I didn't think there was a snowball's chance of getting Oubre for what the Spurs could pay. But it looks like someone is going to get him for less than expected.

The Spurs could easily just stand pat with Morris and Carroll, without all the gyrations. It seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through to bring in Lyles. I honestly don't know why he shot .250 from 3P last season, but dayum. DeRozan could do that. :lol
Rubio already signed, though.

[FireMicoHalili]

Expectation: Beli + Mills/Forbes
Reality: Beli + White

Out of the three guards, only White and Murray have considerable value. Unless someone heavily values Mills (like PHILA), I highly doubt teams would cough up anything of value for that sieve of a backcourt of Mills and Beli.

[raybies]

I think they want to trade to clear a roster spot without waiving metu and having more dead money on the table. Also I think hearing this news today after Lonnie’s performance and Keldon’s recently they want to clear the way for them to have roles or avenues to contribute. Becky is very high on Keldon and no doubt she’s spoken to pop. Also I think that extra roster spot is to get that third big we need. Maybe TRob in a family deal for Morris. Maybe Milutinov? Korver would make perfect sense in the roster a poster mentioned above. He’s also gonna be a free agent and also shoots threes and a forward and also just so happened to be waived today. He also has tons of experience in Spursy systems...

Murray/White/Mills
Demar/Walker/Forbes
Carrol/Korver/Johnson
Morris/Gay/Samanic
LMA/Poetl/Robinson

Edit: we can afford to give a first to dump beli and metu to Boston since we had two picks this year. if this scenario is accurate then the deal won’t be done till late Tuesday or early Wednesday

[Dejounte]

I think they want to trade to clear a roster spot without waiving metu and having more dead money on the table. Also I think hearing this news today after Lonnie’s performance and Keldon’s recently they want to clear the way for them to have roles or avenues to contribute. Becky is very high on Keldon and no doubt she’s spoken to pop. Also I think that extra roster spot is to get that third big we need. Maybe TRob in a family deal for Morris. Maybe Milutinov? Korver would make perfect sense in the roster a poster mentioned above. He’s also gonna be a free agent and also shoots threes and a forward.

Murray/White/Mills
Demar/Walker/Forbes
Carrol/Korver/Johnson
Morris/Gay/Samanic
LMA/Poetl/Robinson

Edit: we can afford to give a first to dump beli and metu to Boston since we had two picks this year. if this scenario is accurate then the deal won’t be done till late Tuesday or early Wednesday

Bingo. I think theyre giving up on Metu. We have to consider that we have two draft picks next year and adding two more rooks might just be too much youth movement.

Murray/ White/ Quinndary
Forbes/ Walker/ Johnson
DeMar/ Carroll/ Korver
LMA/ Morris/ Samanic
Poetl/ Eubanks/ draft a center next year

[ZeusWillJudge]

Rubio already signed, though.


The Spurs signed Morris, but the deal isn't finalized yet. At one point the Rubio deal was hung up on Oubre's $10M cap hold. Maybe the Suns found another way to clear the room and still hang onto Oubre's cap hold. But I know the Suns met with Oubre on Sunday night and lowballed him. It sounded like it was to try and make room to finalize Rubio. But if they're just pissing around because they don't think anyone with cap room is going to throw him a better offer sheet, that's just as bad. Maybe worse.

[spurraider21]

The Spurs signed Morris, but the deal isn't finalized yet. At one point the Rubio deal was hung up on Oubre's $10M cap hold. Maybe the Suns found another way to clear the room and still hang onto Oubre's cap hold. But I know the Suns met with Oubre on Sunday night and lowballed him. It sounded like it was to try and make room to finalize Rubio. But if they're just pissing around because they don't think anyone with cap room is going to throw him a better offer sheet, that's just as bad. Maybe worse.
no, spurs have "agreed to terms" with morris. nothing official from the team. suns posted the story and you can see rubio signing the deal in a photo :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

I think they want to trade to clear a roster spot without waiving metu and having more dead money on the table. Also I think hearing this news today after Lonnie’s performance and Keldon’s recently they want to clear the way for them to have roles or avenues to contribute. Becky is very high on Keldon and no doubt she’s spoken to pop. Also I think that extra roster spot is to get that third big we need. Maybe TRob in a family deal for Morris. Maybe Milutinov? Korver would make perfect sense in the roster a poster mentioned above. He’s also gonna be a free agent and also shoots threes and a forward.

Murray/White/Mills
Demar/Walker/Forbes
Carrol/Korver/Johnson
Morris/Gay/Samanic
LMA/Poetl/Robinson

Edit: we can afford to give a first to dump beli and metu to Boston since we had two picks this year. if this scenario is accurate then the deal won’t be done till late Tuesday or early Wednesday


I thought Milutinov had made a deal in China (Sharks?). Maybe that's not finalized yet, either, but it sounded like they were wrapping it up.

Those (1 year) vet min deals for someone like Korver are really kind of sweet. The league reimburses the team for anything above the two year veteran minimum salary. They would still have to find a way to clear a roster spot, and I don't think Korver is in the Spurs' future. But he would be cheap.

[Fusternino]

Pretty sure it's actually Montejunas with the deal in China.

[EricB]

My source is in a meeting but, trying to piece together stuff he’s told me, Marco has been on the trade block since March.
They had teams at the draft interested but they wanted unprotected picks attached. I do know they chased Iggy hard a couple years ago.

[Dejounte]

My source is in a meeting but, trying to piece together stuff he’s told me, Marco has been on the trade block since March.
They had teams at the draft interested but they wanted unprotected picks attached. I do know they chased Iggy hard a couple years ago.

In a meeting at 2am? Damn dude

[raybies]

My source is in a meeting but, trying to piece together stuff he’s told me, Marco has been on the trade block since March.
They had teams at the draft interested but they wanted unprotected picks attached. I do know they chased Iggy hard a couple years ago.
Unprotected picks? :rofl

[slick'81]

Unprotected picks? :rofl

belli isnt exactly an attractive asset

[kaji157]

Don't tell me is Mills??? Plus metu????
��

[ZeusWillJudge]

no, spurs have "agreed to terms" with morris. nothing official from the team. suns posted the story and you can see rubio signing the deal in a photo :lol


That's fine. They were a couple million over when they announced the deal, and had to make a move to sign him and keep rights to match offer sheets for Oubre. I don't know who else they got rid of, but if they actually signed Rubio then they cleared that $2-3 Million some other way. That still doesn't fix their issue with Oubre.

They can go over the cap to sign Oubre with his Bird rights. I'm sure if they made him a good offer, they would have made a deal Sunday. I think Dallas may be the only team who could make him the kind of offer he was hoping for, and he knows it. It sounds like Phoenix is trying to play hardball with him. I forgot what the required QO was - something like $4-$5M. He can always take that and be unrestricted next year, but I would think Phoenix would try to get something out of him with an S&T deal.

[slick'81]

Don't tell me is Mills??? Plus metu????
😖


And then i woke up

[ZeusWillJudge]

Pretty sure it's actually Montejunas with the deal in China.


Damn, so it is. It's been a bad day on Olympus. :lol

[raybies]

Beli, mills, and 1st sign and trade for Oubre :hat

[Fusternino]

Almost certain it's Faried, tbh.

[EricB]

Patty Mills isn’t getting traded unless it was in a package for a real difference maker. Stop.

[EricB]

In a meeting at 2am? Damn dude


Midnight out here.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Beli, mills, and 1st sign and trade for Oubre :hat


Nah, shit... I just saw what Phoenix has been up to. They traded Josh Jackson, a #4 overall pick, to Memphis for Korver and a third string PG - just so they could then waive Korver to make room for that Ricky Rubio signing.

The Suns' management is too stupid for words. They're gonna piss around and push Oubre into taking the QO, and lose him for nothing next year. I was looking for logic, but it doesn't live in Phoenix. Oubre for Belli and Mills was always a Fantasy Island thing anyway.

[monty4329]

If I'm OKC, I want way more than that for a guy who was the best player on a playoff team last year.

Gallo is on a contract year, OKC will certainly not want contracts like Mills' back. They'll want picks or youngsters on friendly contracts only.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Denver isn't much better. For those who don't remember the deal with Lyles:

Utah drafted Lyles with the 12th pick overall. Two years later, they used him to move up in the draft. Utah sent Lyles and the 24 pick to Denver, in exchange for the 13 pick - which is how they got Donovan Mitchell. Now, just two years later, Denver waived Lyles and sent him packing.

A couple of years earlier, Denver drafted Rudy Gobert and sent him off to Utah in exchange for cash and a future second round pick.


Hell, maybe we really should pick up Lyles, just because Denver thinks he isn't worth anything.

[monty4329]

because korver's going to be had for the veteran's minimum, likely for the lakers

And beli is still better than Korver anyway

[DAF86]

Patty Mills isn’t getting traded unless it was in a package for a real difference maker. Stop.

PATFO :lmao

[EricB]

PATFO :lmao


Why would you dump him. He’s slated to be an end of the bench guy not getting hardly any minutes this year.

[Uriel]

If they're looking for a forward who can shoot, they should have just kept Bertans and used the MLE on Morris straight up.

[spurraider21]

If they're looking for a forward who can shoot, they should have just kept Bertans and used the MLE on Morris straight up.
they wanted carroll and it was impossible to know at the onset of FA that morris would be had for the MLE

[DAF86]

Why would you dump him. He’s slated to be an end of the bench guy not getting hardly any minutes this year.

Because he gets paid way too much to be an "end of the bench guy not getting hardly any minutes", tbh.

Also, I'm sure he will be the first guy off the bench and will get his 22/25 minutes per game.

[EricB]

Because he gets paid way too much to be an "end of the bench guy not getting hardly any minutes", tbh.

Also, I'm sure he will be the first guy off the bench and will get his 22/25 minutes per game.


Theyve already agreed hes to be at the end of the bench. He’s ready to support and lead in any way pop asks. White Murray and walker are getting minutes.

Also, what does it matter how much they pay him to be there? Why do you care?

[EricB]

If they're looking for a forward who can shoot, they should have just kept Bertans and used the MLE on Morris straight up.


You do understand Bertans stinks at defense and also, Carroll and Morris shoot threes. Also carroll and Morris are better players.

[DAF86]

Theyve already agreed hes to be at the end of the bench. He’s ready to support and lead in any way pop asks. White Murray and walker are getting minutes.

I'll believe it when I see it. Can I call you out on this if Mills gets his usal 22/25 minutes?


Also, what does it matter how much they pay him to be there? Why do you care?

I care because it eats up cap space that could be used on more useful players.

[Duncan87]

The meeting done yet ? Some info

[EricB]

I'll believe it when I see it. Can I call you out on this if Mills gets his usal 22/25 minutes?



I care because it eats up cap space that could be used on more useful players.


You can do whatever you want I don’t give a shit. I trust the guy sitting in the exit meetings telling me what was said.


so it’s about money jealousy with you. Figured. Not a serious person. Sorry I wasted time on this pointless excercise.

[EricB]

The meeting done yet ? Some info

Its 2 in the fucking morning. I’m not waking him up to satisfy bozos on a message board.

[Duncan87]

Lol inside sauces. Troll hard don’t we

[FireMicoHalili]

If they're looking for a forward who can shoot, they should have just kept Bertans and used the MLE on Morris straight up.
They wouldn't have traded him away if his game weren't flawed. Despite his quick release and accuracy, Bertans' defense was too much of a trade-off for PATFO. Guy simply lacks muscle to guard the brawny 3s, more so power forwards. Signing Morris wouldn't have enabled them to sign Carroll.

[DAF86]

You can do whatever you want I don’t give a shit. I trust the guy sitting in the exit meetings telling me what was said.


so it’s about money jealousy with you. Figured. Not a serious person. Sorry I wasted time on this pointless excercise.

"Money jealousy"? The fuck is that? :lol

Dude, did you even get what I said? :lol

It's not about jealousy or whatever the fuck you said it was. It's about the Spurs being as good as possible. And the Spurs could be a whole lot better if instead of having 12 millions per year going to "an end of the bench guy" they could spend it on a real 12 millions per year guy like a Robert Covington or Danny Green. Simple as that. I want the Spurs to be as good as possible. Do you get it now? It's really not a difficult concept to get, tbh.

[slick'81]

"Money jealousy"? The fuck is that? :lol

Dude, did you even get what I said? :lol

It's not about jealousy or whatever the fuck you said it was. It's about the Spurs being as good as possible. And the Spurs could be a whole lot better if instead of having 12 millions per year going to "an end of the bench guy" they could spend it on a real 12 millions per year guy like a Robert Covington or Danny Green. Simple as that. I want the Spurs to be as good as possible. Do you get it now? It's really not a difficult concept to get, tbh.


Were just bozos on a message board daf:(:cry

[DavidTheGoliath]

I hate mills contract as much as anyone but their young guards need mentoring too. Not just basketball wise but also in life. I believe patty is a good role model for them, a leader if you will. They are still kids after all.

Just look at what happened to LAL. Lots of lottery talent, and nothing to show for it. Just a terribly ran organization, top to bottom. Now only kuz is left from their young core all in the name of winning now. This is one of the reason why the spurs are admired, they develop their players, on and off the court.

[RC_Drunkford]

maybe Shumpert? Getting Oubre would be crazy, but I can't see Spurs matching salaries

[Dverde]

Marco doesn’t make that much. Might be the Spurs moving him to open a roster spot for training camp hopefully for Thomas Robinson. We could use his size on the bench.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs need a 3-point Shooting Center more than anything. Or someone who can play PF/C

[Chinook]

I think SA is more looking to move Beli either to try to get something back for a non-rotation player or as a favor to Marco. As mentioned before, they have six guards for four spots, and that's not counting Weatherspoon on his two-way. They should have the requisite depth to handle a rash of injuries. Still, I'm not as keen to make a move like this unless the benefit is just too good to pass up (like getting out of Beli's deal entirely). He still has value as a depth shooter with championship experience and excellent off-ball movement. I'd hold onto Beli even just so he can mentor Walker on how to get open

[JuneJive]

What about Iggy.

He's still in limbo in Memphis.

[vander]

I'm late to the thread, so I'm sure someone has already said this but, didn't we already have the highest % three-point shooting forward in the game. And spurs gave him away for nothing

[poopbox]

^Not really, Poop.

White as the sixth man, Gay as your backup PF, and Carroll the backup SF makes your bench pretty strong.

That's a very balanced team.

I do agree it makes your bench strong...and I also think eventually Lonnie replaces whoever at the 2 as the starting 2 guard...

But this is less about what makes sense and more about how Pop coaches and what the spurs have to find out...Pop called Derrick the second most important player on the team and pretty much attributed the 1 - 7 rodeo road trip to him not playing...factor in what Lonnie is doing in summer league probably forces Pop to give him some minutes as a backup...means if you move White to the bench Mills is pretty much out the rotation and I just don't see that happening...

The spurs also have to find out sooner rather than later if Murray, White, Walker can all play together...and I expect this is the year they find out...

Remember this is Pop we are talking about dude has never really had conventional rotations...and is mainly the reason we got 6 guards in the first place...

[NASpurs]

You can do whatever you want I don’t give a shit. I trust the guy sitting in the exit meetings telling me what was said.


so it’s about money jealousy with you. Figured. Not a serious person. Sorry I wasted time on this pointless excercise.

crofl you’re one dense motherfucker. “money jealousy” :lol

Same old TPark.

And I bet you think all exercises are ”pointless”.

[TimDunkem]

I do agree it makes your bench strong...and I also think eventually Lonnie replaces whoever at the 2 as the starting 2 guard...

But this is less about what makes sense and more about how Pop coaches and what the spurs have to find out...Pop called Derrick the second most important player on the team and pretty much attributed the 1 - 7 rodeo road trip to him not playing...factor in what Lonnie is doing in summer league probably forces Pop to give him some minutes as a backup...means if you move White to the bench Mills is pretty much out the rotation and I just don't see that happening...

The spurs also have to find out sooner rather than later if Murray, White, Walker can all play together...and I expect this is the year they find out...

Remember this is Pop we are talking about dude has never really had conventional rotations...and is mainly the reason we got 6 guards in the first place...

I've been saying the same thing all along so we're on the same page. I just hope the moves/rumors we've seen lately signal a change in Pop.

[FkLA]

You can do whatever you want I don’t give a shit. I trust the guy sitting in the exit meetings telling me what was said.


so it’s about money jealousy with you. Figured. Not a serious person. Sorry I wasted time on this pointless excercise.


Its 2 in the fucking morning. I’m not waking him up to satisfy bozos on a message board.

:lol At this pompous jackass. Keep your inside sauces to yourself, fatso. There's plenty of other nice, approachable people willing to share information.

[TimDunkem]

EricB is a douche.

[baseline bum]

If they're looking for a forward who can shoot, they should have just kept Bertans and used the MLE on Morris straight up.

They couldn't since they had already come to an agreement with Carroll. It's between Bertans and Morris and I'd rather have Morris.

[SpursDynasty85]

Has to be Oubre. My heart can’t take SpursDynasty85 getting his wish about wanting Ryan Anderson.:eyebrows

[Marcus Bryant]

If a sign and trade for Morris that would leave the MLE available and also lock in Morris for at least 2 years in SA.

[Spurs4#5]

Murray/white
demar/walker
iguadala/carrol
morris/gay
aldridge/poodle

if the spurs traded for iggy or signed I’d like to see this type of lineup.

[Genovaswitness]

maybe Shumpert? Getting Oubre would be crazy, but I can't see Spurs matching salaries

shump is fucking garbage. he’s been riding that one good year he had with the Knicks for his whole career

[Duncan87]

Eric B leaving everyone hanging Troll hard don’t we

[monty4329]

I think SA is more looking to move Beli either to try to get something back for a non-rotation player or as a favor to Marco. As mentioned before, they have six guards for four spots, and that's not counting Weatherspoon on his two-way. They should have the requisite depth to handle a rash of injuries. Still, I'm not as keen to make a move like this unless the benefit is just too good to pass up (like getting out of Beli's deal entirely). He still has value as a depth shooter with championship experience and excellent off-ball movement. I'd hold onto Beli even just so he can mentor Walker on how to get open

In terms of understanding basketball, and Spurs basketball especially, Beli is a top asset. The young guys have so much to learn from him.

But he mentioned he will be looking for one more contract in the NBA before semi-retiring to play in Italy. So I guess the FO will want to make him a solid and send him to a East contender where he can find good minutes.

[RC_Drunkford]

shump is fucking garbage. he’s been riding that one good year he had with the Knicks for his whole career

that's not the point. The question is which FA Forward will likely get paid 5 to 7 Million per year

[timtonymanu]

Eric B heavy breather. Don’t flatter yourself too much. No one would care if you didn’t post when smarter posters like MoSpur and timvp can give us all the details. Just go back to quoting your butt buddy Marcus Bryant like you always do.

[sananspursfan21]

That would be nice. I like Metu but I don’t know that he’s got a lot of NBA skill. Might just be one of those raw athletes.

[GreekSpursfan]

I don't think belli is gonna get traded. I think we are done for now. Next trade in February according to zero sources.

[FlAVaK]

In terms of understanding basketball, and Spurs basketball especially, Beli is a top asset. The young guys have so much to learn from him.

But he mentioned he will be looking for one more contract in the NBA before semi-retiring to play in Italy. So I guess the FO will want to make him a solid and send him to a East contender where he can find good minutes.

Miami has a trade exception (Wayne Ellington) matching his salary. If they trade for Westbrook (Dragic+Waiters etc.) as rumored, maybe they wan't him...

[Genovaswitness]

that's not the point. The question is which FA Forward will likely get paid 5 to 7 Million per year

sure as fuck isn’t shump

[JADG79]

Bertans was the guy to trade to obtain a good player in return. 7M expiring contract with long range shot. But Spurs gave away to open a roster and do a sign & trade.

Bryn Forbes is the other guy with good trade value that they cannot match in the free agency.

[Ocotillo]

I have to say in EricB's defense, it is unreasonable to expect him to check in with a friend, contact, sauce, or even family in the middle of the night.

[cd021]

Bertans was the guy to trade to obtain a good player in return. 7M expiring contract with long range shot. But Spurs gave away to open a roster and do a sign & trade.

Bryn Forbes is the other guy with good trade value that they cannot match in the free agency.

Wouldn't Forbes be full bird because he's been on the team three seasons?

[Genovaswitness]

I have to say in EricB's defense, it is unreasonable to expect him to check in with a friend, contact, sauce, or even family in the middle of the night.

the way he made it sound was that his friend was in the meeting when he posted. whatever

[Uriel]

They couldn't since they had already come to an agreement with Carroll. It's between Bertans and Morris and I'd rather have Morris.
Would you rather have Bertans or Carroll?

[Dhbsr555]

Trade belli and sign Dwight once waived

[JADG79]

Wouldn't Forbes be full bird because he's been on the team three seasons?

I hope so, Bryn is a good backup PG that can replace Patty in the 2nd unit but so many teams overpaid Spurs players in the free agency.

[RC_Drunkford]

Trade belli and sign Dwight once waived

hell no to that tranny lover. Missed a whole season cause his butthole hurt from getting fucked.

[pad300]

I guess Faried's 3P% is technically up the past two years . . .

Would actually be interesting; he can play some 5 if needed. Would give some extra versatility to the big men...

[MannyIsGod]

Would you rather have Bertans or Carroll?

The Spurs aren't going to go back on an agreement and piss off agents and players. Hard enough getting free agents without starting that shit show.

[Genovaswitness]

The Spurs aren't going to go back on an agreement and piss off agents and players. Hard enough getting free agents without starting that shit show.

for the record I’d rather have Carroll. Doesn’t look like a car dealership inflatable man when he tries to move laterally

[Noey7448]

:tu

I don't even want DD touched. We're deep af, with plenty of quality combo forwards to throw at LeBron, Giannis, Neph, PG, etc. Just give it a shot with this roster. You never know.

This

[Dhbsr555]

This
Yes but dd isn’t being resigned that money going to Murray and white

[SpursDynasty85]

Somebody posted a tweet about a guy saying there were some major rumblings inside the Spurs organization a couple of days ago. Now this. I don't think Belli and Metu being traded would cause a rumbling (if true). It really could be Derozan or even Aldridge. With Morris and Carroll on board and Lonnie looking good enough to play 3 since were so stacked at the 1 and 2, moving DD makes a lot of sense considering we will eventually have to pay all these young gaurds plus Poeltl and Samanic money in the next 2-3 years. They might even be trading ALDRIDGE at this point (he's made it clear he wants back in Portland) and a 3pt shooting forward could be his replacement.

Overall small or big move, I'm excited about the future. Lonnie really must've shown Pop and the coaches something in practice this offseason. His games speak for themselves (Clearly All-star potential).

[MoSpur02]

Apparently the possible trade will more than likely only include Belinelli. Source doesn't know for who still or if it's a sign and trade worked out with Boston for Marcus Morris. If I receive any more information I'll definitely post.

[tesseractive]

Somebody posted a tweet about a guy saying there were some major rumblings inside the Spurs organization a couple of days ago. Now this. I don't think Belli and Metu being traded would cause a rumbling (if true). It really could be Derozan or even Aldridge. With Morris and Carroll on board and Lonnie looking good enough to play 3 since were so stacked at the 1 and 2, moving DD makes a lot of sense considering we will eventually have to pay all these young gaurds plus Poeltl and Samanic money in the next 2-3 years. They might even be trading ALDRIDGE at this point (he's made it clear he wants back in Portland) and a 3pt shooting forward could be his replacement.

Overall small or big move, I'm excited about the future. Lonnie really must've shown Pop and the coaches something in practice this offseason. His games speak for themselves (Clearly All-star potential).
A big move isn't DD -- his stock is pretty low around the league right now. LaMarcus even more so at his age. An actual big move is White, Walker, or Murray (probably plus cap ballast of some kind) for a legitimate asset.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs looking to get a forward who can shoot from beyond the arc.

That describes a wide range of player types. From the pure 3 or 4 to the classic 2/3 swingman, the 3/4 tweener, or the 4/5 with a J. While in today's NBA I don't think you can have too many 3/4 tweener combo forwards, I wouldn't be surprised to see the target be a 4 or a 4/5.

[Spurs9]

Apparently the possible trade will more than likely only include Belinelli. Source doesn't know for who still or if it's a sign and trade worked out with Boston for Marcus Morris. If I receive any more information I'll definitely post.
Thanks for the info ;)

[look_at_g_shred]

A big move isn't DD -- his stock is pretty low around the league right now. LaMarcus even more so at his age. An actual big move is White, Walker, or Murray (probably plus cap ballast of some kind) for a legitimate asset.
It's a big move in terms of how much money those two make

[Marcus Bryant]

Apparently the possible trade will more than likely only include Belinelli. Source doesn't know for who still or if it's a sign and trade worked out with Boston for Marcus Morris. If I receive any more information I'll definitely post.

Makes sense if for Morris, but the Spurs would have to send out more than Belinelli to make it work.

[SAGirl]

No mention of Mills being included, which sucks, but I'll take it.
After reading some on here, my guess is they are trying to just get depth and a player that plays the role they had for Davis. A one dimensional shooter forward is better for them than a one dimensional SG/SF like Belli when they are looking to free up playing time for their promising youth.

Belli is going to get a lot of DNP when everyone is healthy and he is in a contract season again. He needs to play to stay in the league and get another deal.

It’s possible Belli’s agent wants to get him playing time. If that’s the case the forward they are looking for is just a depth player. Can be someone under the radar like Jerebko.

[playbonner15]

I actually want to know who will the Spurs trade for? I think they're set on their roster unless they really want to move on from Aldridge and DD

[pad300]

Somebody posted a tweet about a guy saying there were some major rumblings inside the Spurs organization a couple of days ago. Now this. I don't think Belli and Metu being traded would cause a rumbling (if true). It really could be Derozan or even Aldridge. With Morris and Carroll on board and Lonnie looking good enough to play 3 since were so stacked at the 1 and 2, moving DD makes a lot of sense considering we will eventually have to pay all these young gaurds plus Poeltl and Samanic money in the next 2-3 years. They might even be trading ALDRIDGE at this point (he's made it clear he wants back in Portland) and a 3pt shooting forward could be his replacement.

Overall small or big move, I'm excited about the future. Lonnie really must've shown Pop and the coaches something in practice this offseason. His games speak for themselves (Clearly All-star potential).

DD + Beli + ??? For K Love

For : The money works. K Love can shoot the 3.

Against : Would require the FO to be hellaciously confident in the young guards. CLE would want picks (plural) as well...

Can't see it happening myself.

[Seventyniner]

Makes sense if for Morris, but the Spurs would have to send out more than Belinelli to make it work.

Metu? I'm still not sure that's enough.

If it means having Morris locked up for 2 years (third year player option, S&T has to be at least a 3 year deal) then I'm all for it.

[SAGirl]

They gonna send Marco to Milwaukee or Philly for nothing then sign Ryan Anderson or Jerebko for the minimum lol. Book it.
A real possibility

[LASToog36]

Not sold on derek white.. i think he's expendable.. sure he had a jeremy lin type lucky season, but even after that one 36 pt game in the playoffs he kind of dissapeared, tradem while he's worth something

[pad300]

Apparently the possible trade will more than likely only include Belinelli. Source doesn't know for who still or if it's a sign and trade worked out with Boston for Marcus Morris. If I receive any more information I'll definitely post.

Beli for Faried ?

For - Balances the roster (Faried has played a bunch of 5). Beli would fit in Houston's style of play. Money works, and is more than Faried could expect otherwise at this point.

Against - I wouldn't describe Faried a "Forward who can shoot beyond the arc".

I would do it for SAS.

[Marcus Bryant]

Metu? I'm still not sure that's enough.

If it means having Morris locked up for 2 years (third year player option, S&T has to be at least a 3 year deal) then I'm all for it.

This is key imo. If Morris is as good a fit as it appears you don't want him leaving after just a season, and also a 2 year commitment at the MLE (avg league salary) is not crazy. Plus 2 years fits the Aldridge/DeRozan window.

[cd98]

If they do a sign and trade that involves Belli and Morris, and I don't know how the numbers match up on that trade, then does that open up the mid level again? If that is the case, they are spending it on a big as that is the roster need. They also could get a back up point guard as the only two point guards we have are Murray and White and both of those guys had injury issues last year. I don't think they want to use Forbes or Mills as the point guard.

I doubt they trade LMA or DD. They shouldn't. While neither is a superstar that will win a title on their own, the depth of this roster and its flexibility makes them capable of winning a title with SA. Things would have to go their way, but it is possible this team is good enough to win.

[exstatic]

DD + Beli + ??? For K Love

For : The money works. K Love can shoot the 3.

Against : Would require the FO to be hellaciously confident in the young guards. CLE would want picks (plural) as well...

Can't see it happening myself.

Love is owed $90M over the next 3 seasons. DD is owed one year's salary, as is Beli. You don't get picks for a salary dump.

[pad300]

This is key imo. If Morris is as good a fit as it appears you don't want him leaving after just a season, and also a 2 year commitment at the MLE (avg league salary) is not crazy. Plus 2 years fits the Aldridge/DeRozan window.

I don't think that's happening. I think Morris is on the Rudy Gay plan... 1 year at the MLE. Next 1 year non-bird rights (up to previous salary X 1.2) . Then early bird rights (up to previous salary x1.75 )....

[baseline bum]

Would you rather have Bertans or Carroll?

So you want to completely screw Carroll over and destroy the franchise's reputation over Davis Bertans?

[pad300]

Love is owed $90M over the next 3 seasons. DD is owed one year's salary, as is Beli. You don't get picks for a salary dump.

They've held onto K Love in preference to a salary dump before; they appear to see him as a valuable piece. They will WANT picks. Not saying they are going to get them: "Can't see it happening myself".

[cd98]

They've held onto K Love in preference to a salary dump before; they appear to see him as a valuable piece. They will WANT picks. Not saying they are going to get them: "Can't see it happening myself".

I'm sure they'll ask, but the market won't give them any. I mean, is Kevin Love even that good? He has to be hid on defense and he lost his low post scoring. I've not seen him play a lot in Cleveland, but it seems like he wasn't even that great a three point shooter in the games I saw. I don't really see him as a star or something that moves the needle. I'd rather than Gay at the 4 than Love.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs aren't going to go back on an agreement and piss off agents and players. Hard enough getting free agents without starting that shit show.

Besides being a dick move and completely unprofessional there would probably also be serious sanctions from the league for reneging on an agreed to deal. Hell I would take away draft picks from a team who did something so chickenshit if I was Silver.

[JuneJive]

Of the remaining FA's there is Koufous, Evans and Stephenson not mentioned.

For a reason, i guess.

Lance Thomas is intriguing.

[MannyIsGod]

This is key imo. If Morris is as good a fit as it appears you don't want him leaving after just a season, and also a 2 year commitment at the MLE (avg league salary) is not crazy. Plus 2 years fits the Aldridge/DeRozan window.

No reason to expect that Morris wants to give up a chance at a big payday next off season when the free agent market looks to be incredibly weak.

[Marcus Bryant]

Love is owed $90M over the next 3 seasons. DD is owed one year's salary, as is Beli. You don't get picks for a salary dump.

:tu I guess Love would qualify as a 'forward who can shoot' but that's still a substantial long term commitment.

Lots of other alternatives out there which would require much less imo.

[DesignatedT]

Bertans shrunk in the playoffs. Not reliable. It was time to go. Plus he was complaining about his role when he was getting pushed around and made Milsap's bitch.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think that's happening. I think Morris is on the Rudy Gay plan... 1 year at the MLE. Next 1 year non-bird rights (up to previous salary X 1.2) . Then early bird rights (up to previous salary x1.75 )....

Exactly. The PO after one year certainly pointed to Morris wanting more money next off season. I don't think he wanted a 3 year deal.

[pad300]

Besides being a dick move and completely unprofessional there would probably also be serious sanctions from the league for reneging on an agreed to deal. Hell I would take away draft picks from a team who did something so chickenshit if I was Silver.

I can't see the NBA caring. See the Clips, the Mavs and DeAndre Jordan in the summer of 2015... I agree though, that it would be thoroughly unprofessional and the Spurs wouldn't do that to an FA.

[exstatic]

They've held onto K Love in preference to a salary dump before; they appear to see him as a valuable piece. They will WANT picks. Not saying they are going to get them: "Can't see it happening myself".

He has zero value defensively in today's NBA. He's a stretch 4/5 offensively, and they DO kind of grow on trees these days. Nothing special offensively, any more. If they salary dump him now, they can rent out that cap space starting next summer, the way that OKC did back in the day, and later Philly copied. That can turbo charge your rebuild, getting those extra picks. IIRC, Ibaka was a 20ish first round pick obtained by renting cap space.

That being said, I don't want him. He would clog the cap when we need to pay our youngsters.

[pad300]

Of the remaining FA's there is Koufous, Evans and Stephenson not mentioned.

For a reason, i guess.

Lance Thomas is intriguing.

Evans. As in Tyreke Evans, who's on a 2 year drug use suspension?

[MannyIsGod]

Honestly, unless the trade substantially moves the needle, no one should be OK with trading any of our 3 main young players. All are on rookie scale deals, all have high ceilings. There's really no reason to trade those unless the trade puts you in position to challenge the Clippers as the best team in the West. IE if Golden State calls you to trade Steph you listen, but for Covington? Lol no.

[pad300]

He has zero value defensively in today's NBA. He's a stretch 4/5 offensively, and they DO kind of grow on trees these days. Nothing special offensively, any more. If they salary dump him now, they can rent out that cap space starting next summer, the way that OKC did back in the day, and later Philly copied. That can turbo charge your rebuild, getting those extra picks. IIRC, Ibaka was a 20ish first round pick obtained by renting cap space.


Yes, I am aware of the arguments in favor of such a move. However, CLE has had the opportunity to make such a move several times over. They haven't done it... Therefore, they don't agree with your reasoning!

[DesignatedT]

I'd do Marco Forbes and a 1st for Covington. Not DJ, White or Walker though.

[r0drig0lac]

So you want to completely screw Carroll over and destroy the franchise's reputation over Davis Bertans?

and also has the fact that Carroll is a better basketball player

[EricB]

Would you rather have Bertans or Carroll?


Carroll. Easily. Better player.

[EricB]

Apparently the possible trade will more than likely only include Belinelli. Source doesn't know for who still or if it's a sign and trade worked out with Boston for Marcus Morris. If I receive any more information I'll definitely post.


Thanks. My guy said RC is holding this one closer than the others. However he said Davis was pretty well known to be gone.

[Gordy58]

I did some of the Math, in order to come even close to matching salaries in order to get RoCo without sending any of our young guards back of course.... the Spurs would have to send Forbes, Marco, and Mezie... their salaries combined would total to 10,138,006 while RoCo is due 11,301,219.... how would that be able to work out?

[EricB]

Makes sense if for Morris, but the Spurs would have to send out more than Belinelli to make it work.

I can see Metu being thrown in to get it close enough.

[FkLA]

I'd do Marco Forbes and a 1st for Covington. Not DJ, White or Walker though.


It's White, Walker, Murray. You can argue for White, Murray, Walker but regardless White is always first.

When naming the Big 3 Timmy was never named second, right?

[baseline bum]

and also has the fact that Carroll is a better basketball player

That too. I'd much rather have Demarre than Davis in black and silver. But even if it was to sign a healthy Durant I wouldn't renege on a deal and screw a guy over.

[Marcus Bryant]

No reason to expect that Morris wants to give up a chance at a big payday next off season when the free agent market looks to be incredibly weak.

Sure, so you increase the guaranteed $.

[Dex]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/kwNSxdqqutsEE/giphy.gif

[Marcus Bryant]

I can see Metu being thrown in to get it close enough.

Would have to be more for Morris.

[exstatic]

I did some of the Math, in order to come even close to matching salaries in order to get RoCo without sending any of our young guards back of course.... the Spurs would have to send Forbes, Marco, and Mezie... their salaries combined would total to 10,138,006 while RoCo is due 11,301,219.... how would that be able to work out?

You don't have to exactly match salaries. There is some wiggle room. ESPN's trade machine says that Beli + Metu for RoCo works.

[JuneJive]

Evans. As in Tyreke Evans, who's on a 2 year drug use suspension?

Damn. Forgot all about that.

[baseline bum]

Honestly, unless the trade substantially moves the needle, no one should be OK with trading any of our 3 main young players. All are on rookie scale deals, all have high ceilings. There's really no reason to trade those unless the trade puts you in position to challenge the Clippers as the best team in the West. IE if Golden State calls you to trade Steph you listen, but for Covington? Lol no.

:bobo

[MannyIsGod]

Sure, so you increase the guaranteed $.

Which makes the trade harder to complete as you have to match salaries (you can't take more than you send) in a sign and trade.

[MannyIsGod]

You don't have to exactly match salaries. There is some wiggle room. ESPN's trade machine says that Beli + Metu for RoCo works.

Doesn't apply to sign and trades.

[MannyIsGod]

Maybe I'm wrong on that requirement. Looking over the CBA FAQ I can't find that specific requirement anymore.

Also a tibit, you can S&T a renounced player.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q84

[Ocotillo]

Lol about Love being brought here. The trolls who talk about Aldridge and Derozan not showing up for the playoffs would have a field day with the underperforming big three.

PATFO doesn't care about message board chatter nonetheless. I don't want Love.

[Marcus Bryant]

Which makes the trade harder to complete as you have to match salaries (you can't take more than you send) in a sign and trade.

Not if you extend the number of years, only need to match first year.

[Marcus Bryant]

Lol about Love being brought here. The trolls who talk about Aldridge and Derozan not showing up for the playoffs would have a field day with the underperforming big three.

PATFO doesn't care about message board chatter nonetheless. I don't want Love.

Pop might have to deliver a personal "Soft" speech to him daily tbh.

[Degoat]

Hmmmm the athletic reported the spurs were interested in JaMychal green before he got signed, case closed?? Said we offered more money then the clippers too

[look_at_g_shred]

I've said it before that he hates the spurs for cutting him the first time.

[Marcus Bryant]

Hmmmm the athletic reported the spurs were interested in JaMychal green before he got signed, case closed?? Said we offered more money then the clippers too

Might've been.

[Dex]

I've said it before that he hates the spurs for cutting him the first time.

Yeahhh...go back to San Antonio who spurned you the first time, or stay in Los Angeles with Kawhi and PG for a legit title shot?

Spurs were never going to win that battle even if they offered him free tacos for life.

[cool cat]

The return of Amare Stoudemire!!!

[RC_Drunkford]

Morris is better than JayMychael Green

[Dex]

So should I be F5ing now of F5ing later?

[SpursDynasty85]

After seeing Walker's progression so far, I think Walker is the most untouchable Spur. Literally we have a possible super star while White may be a Pop favorite like Hill was, front office and fans must be really excited about what theyve seen from Walker so far. White I think will make a couple defensive teams and/or win sixth man award. Eitherway, present and future looks exciting.

[4lifecowboy]

White is approaching his ceiling, Walker and Murray still have room for growth. They both have more physical tools.

[Dverde]

Morris is better than JayMychael Green

I agree. Green is familiar with the team and fits better there. Sometimes it’s not all about the money.

[TheDoctor]

So should I be F5ing now of F5ing later?

[barakz21]

Lol about Love being brought here. The trolls who talk about Aldridge and Derozan not showing up for the playoffs would have a field day with the underperforming big three.

PATFO doesn't care about message board chatter nonetheless. I don't want Love.

Just curious, is/was there any talk about Love coming here? Your post is the first one I’ve seen about it

[Holden_Caulfield]

https://media.giphy.com/media/4NnTap3gOhhlik1YEw/giphy.gif

[FkLA]

After seeing Walker's progression so far, I think Walker is the most untouchable Spur. Literally we have a possible super star while White may be a Pop favorite like Hill was, front office and fans must be really excited about what theyve seen from Walker so far. White I think will make a couple defensive teams and/or win sixth man award. Eitherway, present and future looks exciting.

If we assume that every single one of them reaches their absolute ceiling, it's fair to say Walker would end up being the best of the bunch. Still, you can't just base everything on that or else guys like Anthony Randolph would be way overvalued since his ceiling was a GOAT level player.


White is approaching his ceiling, Walker and Murray still have room for growth. They both have more physical tools.

:rolleyes

This is the type of stuff that is prevalent on this site. Manu came here at what, age 26? Was he near his ceiling his sophomore year just because he was older? I've never seen so many fans downplay one player just to prop up a younger, inferior player.

Also, let's stop acting like White doesn't have a great set of physical tools himself. His combine results were elite and he's a big PG with a 6-8 wingspan. Not to mention he's light years ahead of the other two when it comes to both offensive and defensive IQ/awareness.

[mo7888]

So should I be F5ing now of F5ing later?

Yes

[cd98]

If we assume that every single one of them reaches their absolute ceiling, it's fair to say Walker would end up being the best of the bunch. Still, you can't just base everything on that or else guys like Anthony Randolph would be way overvalued since his ceiling was a GOAT level player.



:rolleyes

This is the type of stuff that is prevalent on this site. Manu came here at what, age 26? Was he near his ceiling his sophomore year just because he was older? I've never seen so many fans downplay one player just to prop up a younger, inferior player.

Also, let's stop acting like White doesn't have a great set of physical tools himself. His combine results were elite and he's a big PG with a 6-8 wingspan. Not to mention he's light years ahead of the other two when it comes to both offensive and defensive IQ/awareness.

Most players peak at 28 and sustain those prime years for about 3 years. So White will get better and so will the young players. Anyone's guess if any of them hit on something more than a rotation player. Without Demar and LMA on the team, all those guys would play us into the lottery.

[FutureMan]

I agree. Green is familiar with the team and fits better there. Sometimes it’s not all about the money.
Might have been Carroll VS Green

[MannyIsGod]

Most players peak at 28 and sustain those prime years for about 3 years. So White will get better and so will the young players. Anyone's guess if any of them hit on something more than a rotation player. Without Demar and LMA on the team, all those guys would play us into the lottery.


You're not wrong but you could have said the same thing about players like George Hill, Kawhi, and Tony Parker. Maybe even Manu. The Spurs are the best in the legue at developing players.

[Mr. Body]

If we assume that every single one of them reaches their absolute ceiling, it's fair to say Walker would end up being the best of the bunch. Still, you can't just base everything on that or else guys like Anthony Randolph would be way overvalued since his ceiling was a GOAT level player.



:rolleyes

This is the type of stuff that is prevalent on this site. Manu came here at what, age 26? Was he near his ceiling his sophomore year just because he was older? I've never seen so many fans downplay one player just to prop up a younger, inferior player.

Also, let's stop acting like White doesn't have a great set of physical tools himself. His combine results were elite and he's a big PG with a 6-8 wingspan. Not to mention he's light years ahead of the other two when it comes to both offensive and defensive IQ/awareness.

I'd pick White as the best of the three right now in terms of ceiling. He already understands things about the game most players never get. Walker looks terrific, but he may never get many of those nuances.

[cd98]

You're not wrong but you could have said the same thing about players like George Hill, Kawhi, and Tony Parker. Maybe even Manu. The Spurs are the best in the legue at developing players.

I agree the Spurs are the best, but it takes year to take a raw talent and turn them into an all-star. Kawhi wasn't an all-star for several years and same with Tony. We are all excited about the young guys, but right now none of them are enough to get the Spurs to the playoffs without DD and LMA. Hopefully they will be good enough in the next few years, but right now they are not. Once in decades a star comes into the league good enough to transform it, a la Tim Duncan, but most do not.

[Dverde]

https://www.norebbo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ferrari_for_sale.jpg

[DAF86]

Bradley Beal and Robert Covington are the only two somewhat possible gets that would seriously improve this team. Any other move I'm not really interested on.

[BlackAndWhite]

We need someone that plays off ball otherwise we will have way too many players demanding the ball

[Ocotillo]

Just curious, is/was there any talk about Love coming here? Your post is the first one I’ve seen about it
No, just someone earlier doing a hypothetical trade. I have not heard nor seen a thing about the Spurs trying to bring in Kevin Love.

[lmbebo]

Bradley Beal and Robert Covington are the only two somewhat possible gets that would seriously improve this team. Any other move I'm not really interested on.

Beal would be awesome.

[barakz21]

No, just someone earlier doing a hypothetical trade. I have not heard nor seen a thing about the Spurs trying to bring in Kevin Love.

Gotcha, that’s what I thought happened but I looked and couldn’t find it. Thanks for the clarification.

[Blackhaus]

Beal would be awesome.

he would, he would also take a very large chunk of the spurs young players and future picks. He’s a good player but the cost imo would be too much.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

he would, he would also take a very large chunk of the spurs young players and future picks. He’s a good player but the cost imo would be too much.

Only way Beal makes sense is if you can get him for DDR + picks (don't know that DDR fits into Wiz plans as it sounds like Wizards are looking more for picks/young pieces so can't see happening)

If DDR not in deal then as you said would most likely cost a minimum of 2 of our top prospects + picks, Spurs are in a pretty good position regard to the future and I don't think you mortgage that especially when you would still be relying on DDR/LMA to consistently deliver in the Playoffs

[timvp]

Neither the Spurs nor the Celtics have made any official moves since yesterday. Marcus Morris, Enes Kanter not officially signed, FWIW.

Not super strange but leaves the door open that a sign-and-trade could be in the works.

[Seventyniner]

So should I be fapping now or fapping later?

Fixed.

[spurraider21]

Neither the Spurs nor the Celtics have made any official moves since yesterday. Marcus Morris, Enes Kanter not officially signed, FWIW.

Not super strange but leaves the door open that a sign-and-trade could be in the works.
if morrris originally agreed to a 1+1, its probably going to take a good amount more per year to lock him into 3 years, or even a 2+1. only took an additional mil per year to lock up carroll, but he's (soon to be) 33 and his value after 2 years wasn't going to be significant anyway. getting morris to sign on for 3 wont be as easy

[cd98]

Does a sign and trade free any mid level money?

[DesignatedT]

Does a sign and trade free any mid level money?

Yes. That would be the point. They would still have the MLE available if they do a S&T for MM.

[jiggy_55]

And who is available that the spurs would use the MLE on right now? Basically Oubre? All good free agents are gone and nobody else is worthy of the MLE amount

[spurraider21]

but there's nobody thats really worth the MLE at this point, unless mirotic hadn't committed to europe.

im ok with them just clearing out roster spots to give room for the younger guys. no use paying marco 6 mil per year if he's not going to play. i wouldn't even be opposed to just picking up a trade exception, instead of targeting a specific player

i really doubt oubre is in reach, i would imagine suns would match an MLE offer for him. but thats the pipe dream i guess

[DesignatedT]

I doubt a S&T is going down. My guess is they end up shipping Beli to a contender out east for a second rounder just to open up some minutes.

[cd98]

Spurs need a 3rd center and likely a backup to the backup PG but they don’t need the mid level to pick up adequate options.

[spurraider21]

I doubt a S&T is going down. My guess is they end up shipping Beli to a contender out east for a second rounder just to open up some minutes.
true, but that just begs the question as to what's holding up the Morris signing for us, and Kanter signing for boston

[SAGirl]

I've said it before that he hates the spurs for cutting him the first time.
Was better than Daye and Ayers back then. Spurs loss. Sure, it wasn't a big loss, but he was right to think he should have made that team.

[jeebus]

Need someone now that we lost Morris

[jiggy_55]

Terrible news.

Reporting with marcJSpearsESPN: Free agent Marcus Morris -- who committed to a two-year, $20M Spurs deal w/ player option -- is re-considering agreement. Morris is now considering a free agent deal with Knicks, who'll have additional cap space with reworking of Bullock deal.

[szkorhetz]

true, but that just begs the question as to what's holding up the Morris signing for us, and Kanter signing for boston
But who would be interested? I can only think of Phi or Mil.

[cd98]

Ugh

[szkorhetz]

Terrible news.

Reporting with marc (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14937)JSpearsESPN: Free agent Marcus Morris -- who committed to a two-year, $20M Spurs deal w/ player option -- is re-considering agreement. Morris is now considering a free agent deal with Knicks, who'll have additional cap space with reworking of Bullock deal.
WTF?

[BWS-1994]

Terrible news.

Reporting with marcJSpearsESPN: Free agent Marcus Morris -- who committed to a two-year, $20M Spurs deal w/ player option -- is re-considering agreement. Morris is now considering a free agent deal with Knicks, who'll have additional cap space with reworking of Bullock deal.

Oh come on!

[exstatic]

Maybe this is why this Beli trade is being worked?

I guess all of that stuff he talked about being on a good cohesive team goes out the window for a few dollars more. He deserves whatever he gets for jumping into the Knicks dumpster fire.

[sasaint]

No way it’s Oubre is it?

Who knows? I was stunned when the Spurs signed Marcus Morris.

[raybies]

Maybe this is why this Beli trade is being worked?

I guess all of that stuff he talked about being on a good cohesive team goes out the window for a few dollars more. He deserves whatever he gets for jumping into the Knicks dumpster fire.
That’s what I was thinking... Jabari said there was gossip of this all yesterday. Spurs knew... maybe they were trying to make a sign and trade to give him more money. I dunno

[exstatic]

That’s what I was thinking... Jabari said there was gossip of this all yesterday. Spurs knew... maybe they were trying to make a sign and trade to give him more money. I dunno

I wouldn't give him a dime more than agreed upon. Let him stew in that NY shitshow.

[Texas_Ranger]

is there any chance Mills is in the package?

[timvp]

So, yeah, the Spurs looking for a perimeter shooting forward makes a lot of sense now that Morris might be lost ...

[RC_Drunkford]

That’s what I was thinking... Jabari said there was gossip of this all yesterday. Spurs knew... maybe they were trying to make a sign and trade to give him more money. I dunno

Cant give him more than the MLE Spurs are over the cap

[timtonymanu]

It’s just our luck we’re gonna go from Morris to a Jon Leuer type. Is Luke Babbitt still alive?

[SpursDynasty85]

That’s what I was thinking... Jabari said there was gossip of this all yesterday. Spurs knew... maybe they were trying to make a sign and trade to give him more money. I dunno

I'm thinking this. Morris at MLE was ridiculous. I think Kawhi kinda screwed Morris and now its screwing us again. But if Rudy get 2 years/32M you gotta think Morris is around that much fit and bball-wise.

[Down Under]

Haynes said both sides are optimistic the deal will get done so I suspect it's some agent bs to try & see if they can drive his value up & someone come up with an obscene offer.

[slick'81]

Nothing left worth any value tbh

[timvp]

If the Celtics haven't renounced Morris, the Spurs would need to sign-and-trade Mills most likely to match NY's contract, tbh.

[spurraider21]

If the Celtics haven't renounced Morris, the Spurs would need to sign-and-trade Mills most likely to match NY's contract, tbh.
if this is what it takes to drive pop to move patty, it's worth it tbh :lol

[slick'81]

if this is what it takes to drive pop to move patty, it's worth it tbh :lol


Too bad itll never happen