Marco Belinelli plus someone else possibly going to be traded

[cd98]

If the Celtics haven't renounced Morris, the Spurs would need to sign-and-trade Mills most likely to match NY's contract, tbh.

But are the Celtics going to agree to take Patty without a first round pick attached?

[Mr. Body]

If the Celtics haven't renounced Morris, the Spurs would need to sign-and-trade Mills most likely to match NY's contract, tbh.

Do you want Morris at this point? He's showing his true colors and they ain't good. He's a mercenary who is looking to showcase himself for a deal and is deeply underhanded.

[timtonymanu]

Pop would rather give one of his championships away than to even think about parting ways with Patty

[cd98]

If the Celtics haven't renounced Morris, the Spurs would need to sign-and-trade Mills most likely to match NY's contract, tbh.

But are the Celtics going to agree to take Patty without a first round pick attached? And if so, is Morris worth losing a first round pick over?

[EricB]

Pop would rather give one of his championships away than to even think about parting ways with Patty


Shut the fuck up. This shit is so fucking tired.

[timvp]

Do you want Morris at this point? He's showing his true colors and they ain't good. He's a mercenary who is looking to showcase himself for a deal and is deeply underhanded.

Morris hasn't said anything. And there are reports that he's still contemplating signing with the Spurs regardless of the Knicks offering him 50% more.

I don't hold anything against Morris for now, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Morris hasn't said anything. And there are reports that he's still contemplating signing with the Spurs regardless of the Knicks offering him 50% more.

I don't hold anything against Morris for now, tbh.

Excuse me, how the fuck wouldn't you hold this against him? He's not a captive. You really think Klutch is pulling out of this without his knowledge or consent? Seriously?

[TD 21]

Morris hasn't said anything. And there are reports that he's still contemplating signing with the Spurs regardless of the Knicks offering him 50% more.

I don't hold anything against Morris for now, tbh.

I do. Even if he still signs with the Spurs, he'll have created an awkward dynamic.

[cd98]

Morris hasn't said anything. And there are reports that he's still contemplating signing with the Spurs regardless of the Knicks offering him 50% more.

I don't hold anything against Morris for now, tbh.

Well, the reality is that everyone one of us would take the money if we were in similar shoes. Most middle of the road players go where the money is. This just had the unfortunate timing that put Morris in a position of having to back out of a deal.

I think the Spurs let Korver back out of a deal after he signed. It happens. But the Betrans trade is what makes this so terrible.

[cd98]

Excuse me, how the fuck wouldn't you hold this against him? He's not a captive. You really think Klutch is pulling out of this without his knowledge or consent? Seriously?

Not a big fan of Klutch, but I hardly think they are worried about the difference in cash. It's not that much money. I think it could be player driven.

[Mr. Body]

Not a big fan of Klutch, but I hardly think they are worried about the difference in cash. It's not that much money. I think it could be player driven.

I'm saying for Morris. And this is really bad for Klutch. An agency needs to maintain its reputation. This move is potentially cataclysmic. I'm not sure anything will happen yet, but right now it's a sudden fault line across the NBA.

[Dhbsr555]

So where do The Spurs go from here?

[phxspurfan]

Morris hasn't said anything. And there are reports that he's still contemplating signing with the Spurs regardless of the Knicks offering him 50% more.

I don't hold anything against Morris for now, tbh.

Why would you? If some other employer offered 50% more (especially in a wayyyyyyyyy better city) after you agreed to terms with a company you were interviewing for but didn't start working at, you'd probably at least consider the offer too.


At will employment goes both ways

[SpursRussia]

Why would you? If some other employer offered 50% more (especially in a wayyyyyyyyy better city) after you agreed to terms with a company you were interviewing for but didn't start working at, you'd probably at least consider the offer too.


At will employment goes both ways

Even if you know that the company you agreed with fired another employee for you?

[cjw]

Why would you? If some other employer offered 50% more (especially in a wayyyyyyyyy better city) after you agreed to terms with a company you were interviewing for but didn't start working at, you'd probably at least consider the offer too.


At will employment goes both ways

This isn’t a parallel. Knicks had perfect information on what was being offered and could have offered more beforehand. I don’t blame Morris any more than blaming the Knicks for breaking an unwritten rule.

[raybies]

Cant give him more than the MLE Spurs are over the cap
If it’s a sign and trade they can... but we’re dealing with Boston here... they probably want an unprotected first or a young player. I’m not sure it’s worth it at this point.

[timtonymanu]

Shut the fuck up. This shit is so fucking tired.

No you stfu diabetic heavy breather. I was clearly just making a joke. Go suck off Marcus Bryant some more.

[RD2191]

Even if you know that the company you agreed with fired another employee for you?

Yes. :lol I'm pretty sure that happens all the time.

[Dverde]

I don’t see how the Knicks didn’t do something illegal. Unless they can prove that Marcus Morris reached our first. What’s to stop another team from saying “I see you reached a deal yesterday for 30 million, we’ll give you 35 million for the same amount of years”. I think the easy solution is for madam Silver to say the Knicks can’t sign him this year and make Morris a free agent and leave it up to Morris and Spurs whether they want to go forward with their deal.

[SpursDynasty85]

Why would you? If some other employer offered 50% more (especially in a wayyyyyyyyy better city) after you agreed to terms with a company you were interviewing for but didn't start working at, you'd probably at least consider the offer too.


At will employment goes both ways

There are consequences. You don't do that to certain companies especially when you know the company had to use a lot of money and move other people around for you. You think that company would ever interview you again? Evidently Spurs are someone they are fine with messing with. This will definitely have a ripple effect.

[Degoat]

Definitely Disappointed if he chooses the Knicks, it does seem like foul play on the Knicks for doing that but what can you do :bang

[sasaint]

I'm saying for Morris. And this is really bad for Klutch. An agency needs to maintain its reputation. This move is potentially cataclysmic. I'm not sure anything will happen yet, but right now it's a sudden fault line across the NBA.

Nah. Nobody cares about this defection except the Spurs. And the rest of the league rejoices when SA gets screwed.

[timvp]

Excuse me, how the fuck wouldn't you hold this against him? He's not a captive. You really think Klutch is pulling out of this without his knowledge or consent? Seriously?

The two key words were "for" and "now," tbh.

[John B]

There are consequences. You don't do that to certain companies especially when you know the company had to use a lot of money and move other people around for you. You think that company would ever interview you again? Evidently Spurs are someone they are fine with messing with. This will definitely have a ripple effect.
I never thought this thing happens with Spurs PATFO but since nephew and Uncle Dennis, it seems like a one night stand that went ugly

[Degoat]

What doesn’t make sense with all the news we’re hearing is why would belinelli need to be trade for a free agent if we spurs thought Morris might back out of his deal??

[cd98]

I'm saying for Morris. And this is really bad for Klutch. An agency needs to maintain its reputation. This move is potentially cataclysmic. I'm not sure anything will happen yet, but right now it's a sudden fault line across the NBA.

I think Klutch sports has enjoyed some power in this league because LeBron wielded so much power. But in the near future, that might not be the case. I mean, they still represent stars, but there are only a handful of stars that teams are going to slobber over. Once LeBron is gone (and he is already in decline), they won't have the same sway in the league. So I think it does behoove them not to damage their reputation. And maybe they are trying to talk Morris out of it. But they have a contractual duty to Morris, not the Spurs. They have to act in his best interest, not theirs. If Morris wants the extra 5 million for one more year, Klutch has no choice.

[cd98]

I don’t see how the Knicks didn’t do something illegal. Unless they can prove that Marcus Morris reached our first. What’s to stop another team from saying “I see you reached a deal yesterday for 30 million, we’ll give you 35 million for the same amount of years”. I think the easy solution is for madam Silver to say the Knicks can’t sign him this year and make Morris a free agent and leave it up to Morris and Spurs whether they want to go forward with their deal.

Nothing would be illegal unless there is a law in New York of some federal law that prohibits interfering with a contract negotiations. It's probably just clouds deals during free agency even more and opens the door to teams acting more cutthroat.

[SpursDynasty85]

What doesn’t make sense with all the news we’re hearing is why would Belinelli need to be traded for a free agent if we spurs thought Morris might back out of his deal??

Belli always needed to be traded. IMO Spurs want to save face after this debacle. Spurs fans and the whole organization is disappointed this guy backed out. After getting excited with real "championship" hopes to go into the season with a worse team than one we thought just 3 days ago is deflating, especially after the Kawhi debacle. Belli was probably always on the table once PATFO thought Walker needed minutes this year (clearly he does). Belli would want to play for a team that gave him minutes this season I'm sure. Bertans kind of was always on the table too probably. PLus we have the FULL MLE to use still.

[ZeusWillJudge]

You can blame the league for allowing these "unwritten agreements". It's a fucked up system, especially because of all the artificial deadlines.

[Dverde]

Nothing would be illegal unless there is a law in New York of some federal law that prohibits interfering with a contract negotiations. It's probably just clouds deals during free agency even more and opens the door to teams acting more cutthroat.

Madam Silver needs to slit this deal. You can’t reward the Knicks for reaching unprofessional lows or set a precedent I mentioned where announced deals become leverage for better deals. It helps it’s the Knicks and everyone hates Dolan.

[cd98]

Madam Silver needs to slit this deal. You can’t reward the Knicks for reaching unprofessional lows or set a precedent I mentioned where announced deals become leverage for better deals. It helps it’s the Knicks and everyone hates Dolan.

Well, they've never interfered before unless it was a team run by the league (NO and Chris Paul trade to Lakers). This is a player friendly move and the league is more player friendly than owner friendly now a day.

[EricB]

You can blame the league for allowing these "unwritten agreements". It's a fucked up system, especially because of all the artificial deadlines.


Disagree. Doesn’t absolve the player from being a shitfuck.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Disagree. Doesn’t absolve the player from being a shitfuck.


Morris and his agent are shitbags. There's no absolution for that.

But you can blame the league for creating and keeping a system where teams are forced to do business like this. Morris is a shitbag, but it shouldn't be possible for him to exercise it in this way.

[r0drig0lac]

Nah. Nobody cares about this defection except the Spurs. And the rest of the league rejoices when SA gets screwed.

[Keepin' it real]

This will definitely have a ripple effect.

Exactly, just like the Deandre Jordan fiasco.

[SpursDynasty85]

Exactly, just like the Deandre Jordan fiasco.

That was one ripple, this is another... I'm definitely riled and might be overreacting but it's only a matter of time before NBA will clamp down on this kind of stuff because it just brings chaos to the whole league.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This will definitely have a ripple effect.


It's $10M. The league spent over $3B on the first day of free agency. Silver doesn't mind. The big market teams are fine with it, since they're the ones most likely to benefit. If there are any ripples, they will be very small ripples in a very small pond.

[SpursDynasty85]

It's $10M. The league spent over $3B on the first day of free agency. Silver doesn't mind. The big market teams are fine with it, since they're the ones most likely to benefit. If there are any ripples, they will be very small ripples in a very small pond.

At the very least teams, owners, and players will have more distrust of one another and how free agency is used and works could be even more chaotic. Stars demanding trades and flipping organizations into rebuild mode is "Crazy" in most other industries and markets. NBA market is obviously much different than others but owners and management of course will fight for more stability while Players and agents will fight for more power to do as they please. I think the fact these contracts are FULLY-guaranteed is already lost on these players. Which industry can gaurantee you millions for work you can't do because of injury or disruption?

Besides when teams mess with a players health (not saying Spurs did that to Kawhi but just in general humane purposes), players screwing over there teams is messed up. Way more so than being traded. The amount of money most players make, you can always make a situation work in any city. Putting a franchise into rebuilding mode can cost the organization, the city, and works of those teams and cities to lose jobs and affect way more people than players being traded without there consent.

[Mr. Body]

I think Klutch sports has enjoyed some power in this league because LeBron wielded so much power. But in the near future, that might not be the case. I mean, they still represent stars, but there are only a handful of stars that teams are going to slobber over. Once LeBron is gone (and he is already in decline), they won't have the same sway in the league. So I think it does behoove them not to damage their reputation. And maybe they are trying to talk Morris out of it. But they have a contractual duty to Morris, not the Spurs. They have to act in his best interest, not theirs. If Morris wants the extra 5 million for one more year, Klutch has no choice.

What's cool for Klutch is that they can get the Knicks to flip Morris over to the Lakers during the season for LeBron.

[Extra Stout]

I think the fact these contracts are FULLY-guaranteed is already lost on these players. Which industry can gaurantee you millions for work you can't do because of injury or disruption?
Fully guaranteed contracts are toast in the next CBA. At the least, a whole season will be lost to the lockout the owners will impose to achieve that.

The players of the mid-2020’s will pay the price for what the players of today are doing now.

[Dejounte]

Any updates with this trade?

[Prime BEEF]

Fully guaranteed contracts are toast in the next CBA. At the least, a whole season will be lost to the lockout the owners will impose to achieve that.

The players of the mid-2020’s will pay the price for what the players of today are doing now.

Yup. Totally agree

[CGD]

Whose even left as a back up plan?

[phxspurfan]

There are consequences. You don't do that to certain companies especially when you know the company had to use a lot of money and move other people around for you. You think that company would ever interview you again? Evidently Spurs are someone they are fine with messing with. This will definitely have a ripple effect.

Not saying it won't be disappointing or may not be met with bad blood, but who tf cares. I've seen people not show up for work before, after accepting an offer. Also have seen my company (current and past) reneg on a job offer on an employee in training because the headcount went away. Shit's real in the field and it's just business.

[SpursDynasty85]

Fully guaranteed contracts are toast in the next CBA. At the least, a whole season will be lost to the lockout the owners will impose to achieve that.

The players of the mid-2020’s will pay the price for what the players of today are doing now.

There are some other things that can and should be given to all potential NBA players besides fully-guaranteed contracts, letting teams sign whoever they want at almost any age the way soccer in Europe is done. Fully-guaranteed contracts are too harsh for teams but for kids and young prospects living in the ghetto should be able to help their families early and get early education from these teams including finance classes, etc. These guys are left to try and make it to age 19 in the very rough circumstances and then they get wooed by dirty agents and corporations that just want to exploit them with girls and money.

[SpursDynasty85]

Not saying it won't be disappointing or may not be met with bad blood, but who tf cares. I've seen people not show up for work before, after accepting an offer. Also have seen my company (current and past) reneg on a job offer on an employee in training because the headcount went away. Shit's real in the field and it's just business.

Yea I get it. Glad you have the right mindset. But there are only like 29 other NBA employers and I AM SO EMOTIONAL!! lol

[phxspurfan]

Yea I get it. Glad you have the right mindset. But there are only like 29 other NBA employers and I AM SO EMOTIONAL!! lol

It's not like this is Tim Duncan we're talking about here. We'll be just fine without his knucklehead Knicks limelight/money grubbing ass if he chooses to leave. And if he chooses to stay we should boo him for being an idiot publicly.

[Mr. Body]

Guessing it's Trey Lyles or bust at this point. There's a major gap in the lineup now.

[GreekSpursfan]

It's not like this is Tim Duncan we're talking about here. We'll be just fine without his knucklehead Knicks limelight/money grubbing ass if he chooses to leave. And if he chooses to stay we should boo him for being an idiot publicly.

We should ignore his existence completely. Why boo a role player? Fuck him.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

At the very least teams, owners, and players will have more distrust of one another and how free agency is used and works could be even more chaotic. Stars demanding trades and flipping organizations into rebuild mode is "Crazy" in most other industries and markets. NBA market is obviously much different than others but owners and management of course will fight for more stability while Players and agents will fight for more power to do as they please. I think the fact these contracts are FULLY-guaranteed is already lost on these players. Which industry can gaurantee you millions for work you can't do because of injury or disruption?

Besides when teams mess with a players health (not saying Spurs did that to Kawhi but just in general humane purposes), players screwing over there teams is messed up. Way more so than being traded. The amount of money most players make, you can always make a situation work in any city. Putting a franchise into rebuilding mode can cost the organization, the city, and works of those teams and cities to lose jobs and affect way more people to than players being traded without there consent.This is what happens when you let the inmates run the prison.

[RD2191]

This is what happens when you let the inmates run the prison.

Donald Sterling, that you?

[Marcus Bryant]

Fully guaranteed contracts are toast in the next CBA. At the least, a whole season will be lost to the lockout the owners will impose to achieve that.

The players of the mid-2020’s will pay the price for what the players of today are doing now.

:tu Seems inevitable. At a minimum an extension of the terms for rookie contracts and much lower maximums for the first 6 or so seasons. Presumably the NBA won't go the MLB route with arbitration for however many seasons before a player can first hit free agency but I also wouldn't be surprised.

[SpursDynasty85]

This is what happens when you let the inmates run the prison.

Bro. Bad analogy. For Profit Systems have cost so many innocent lives, brought about a plight for the blacks in America, and has a generation of black kids growing up in fatherless homes. Netflix's 13th is a good documentary you should watch.

[spurraider21]

Guessing it's Trey Lyles or bust at this point. There's a major gap in the lineup now.
wow those are depressing words :lol

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Bro. Bad analogy. For Profit Systems have cost so many innocent lives, brought about a plight for the blacks in America, and has a generation of black kids growing up in fatherless homes. Netflix's 13th is a good documentary you should watch.GTFO with your PC crap.

[SpursDynasty85]

GTFO with your PC crap.

Hope whoever the moderator clamps down on anymore future comments like the ones you post.

[slick'81]

Might as well keep belli now

[duncan2k5]

Might as well keep belli now

Hell no... I rather build up our young guys than have beli soaking up playing time... It's not like we are contending this year

[spurraider21]

Might as well keep belli now
why? morris and beli dont play the same positions/roles

[slick'81]

why? morris and beli dont play the same positions/roles

because theres nobody else worth a shit to play pf

[SpursDynasty85]

why? morris and beli dont play the same positions/roles

On our roster Belli was the SF a lot of times. Morris wouldve eaten his minutes there. There is no room at the 1 and 2 either.

[Budkin]

Man the NBA just sucks more and more every year.

[slick'81]

Besides if we have the mle back why are we dumping marco again?

[CGD]

Besides if we have the mle back why are we dumping marco again?

Better trade prospects than FA prospects at this point.

[slick'81]

Better trade prospects than FA prospects at this point.


But thats not what the op stated.im not so sure belli brings much back anyway but its worth a shot i guess

[CGD]

But thats not what the op stated.im not so sure belli brings much back anyway but its worth a shot i guess

I’m keeping an eye on the OKC-MIA talks. Something like this works salary wise with the Spurs helping OKC save about 13M which is there goal:

MIA —> Westbrook
OKC —> Dragic, Belli, Forbes
SAS —> Winslow

[YoungbuckMurray]

I’m keeping an eye on the OKC-MIA talks. Something like this works salary wise with the Spurs helping OKC save about 13M which is there goal:

MIA —> Westbrook
OKC —> Dragic, Belli, Forbes
SAS —> Winslow

I’d be down for that

[r0drig0lac]

I’m keeping an eye on the OKC-MIA talks. Something like this works salary wise with the Spurs helping OKC save about 13M which is there goal:

MIA —> Westbrook
OKC —> Dragic, Belli, Forbes
SAS —> Winslow

there are exactly 0 chances of that happening, Winslow is Heat's most versatile player and Riley's favorite player, would he be going to the Thunder in any kind of trading, Belli and Forbes? lmao

[spurraider21]

okc wouldnt'

[YoungbuckMurray]

there are exactly 0 chances of that happening, Winslow is Heat's most versatile player and Riley's favorite player, would he be going to the Thunder in any kind of trading, Belli and Forbes? lmao
Miami gives 2 1st rounders and we give one. Would that be enough for OKC?

[spurraider21]

Miami gives 2 1st rounders and we give one. Would that be enough for OKC?
theres no scenario where OKC trades westbrook and the 2nd best player in the deal (winslow) goes to a third team

[slick'81]

Miami gives 2 1st rounders and we give one. Would that be enough for OKC?

nope

[YoungbuckMurray]

theres no scenario where OKC trades westbrook and the 2nd best player in the deal (winslow) goes to a third team

I think they may for 4 1st round picks. 3 from Miami and 1 from spurs. They are also getting rid of that albatross contract

[CGD]

there are exactly 0 chances of that happening, Winslow is Heat's most versatile player and Riley's favorite player, would he be going to the Thunder in any kind of trading, Belli and Forbes? lmao

Why? Depends on how bad they want Westbrook given their obsession with “stars”; plus Jimmy already plays Winslow’s position. As much as they might like Winslow they won’t trade Bam before they trade Winslow.

And your misreading the Westbrook situation. That is a top 3 worst contract in the league right now. OKC is tearing it down and they want to save $$$. Involving a 3rd team to take on some of the $$ MIA has to send out is the way to go.

[Joseph Kony]

this whole thing with Morris definitely proves OP is legit tbh. rumor of spurs looking to trade for another forward who can shoot when they seemingly already signed one didnt make sense until this news broke today

[CGD]

okc wouldnt'

Again why? They’re looking to save $$$ while holding two of the worst deals in the league in Westbrook and Adams. I can’t overstate how awful that Westbrook deal is going to look over the next 4 years...

[spurraider21]

thunder dont see westbrook as an albatross they were desperate to dump. he has asked out. they're going to want full value for him... they got a record haul of picks for george, and they value westbrook more than they did PG

[Joseph Kony]

thunder dont see westbrook as an albatross they were desperate to dump. he has asked out. they're going to want full value for him... they got a record haul of picks for george, and they value westbrook more than they did PG
except that most of the league doesnt value him as highly and rightfully so. doubt he's going to fetch some godfather offer. PG was different because the assets were traded essentially for PG and Kawhi which you do all day. Westbrook wont command anywhere near as much alone imo

[CGD]

thunder dont see westbrook as an albatross they were desperate to dump. he has asked out. they're going to want full value for him... they got a record haul of picks for george, and they value westbrook more than they did PG

I just see it differently. That ship has sailed. I don’t see small market OKC wanting to pay 34-35 year old Westbrook 47M in 4 years, after trading PG13. In fact the massive haul they got from that deal should actually take the “sting” out of trading Russ in an essentially salary dump deal.

[CGD]

except that most of the league doesnt value him as highly and rightfully so. doubt he's going to fetch some godfather offer. PG was different because the assets were traded essentially for PG and Kawhi which you do all day. Westbrook wont command anywhere near as much alone imo

Agree. In fact I think a third team could be in a position to extract something decent in the exchange, where OKC is eager to shift salary to the 3rd team and MIA is eager to get there man.

[spurraider21]

except that most of the league doesnt value him as highly and rightfully so. doubt he's going to fetch some godfather offer. PG was different because the assets were traded essentially for PG and Kawhi which you do all day. Westbrook wont command anywhere near as much alone imo


I just seen it differently. That ship has sailed. I don’t see small market OKC wanting to pay 34-35 year old Westbrook 47M in 4 years, after trading PG13. In fact the massive haul they got from that deal should actually take the “sting” out of trading Russ in an essentially salary dump deal.
im not disputing that his contract is a problem. i just dont think OKC sees it that way, tbh.

[Gino20]

Has it been confirmed that this potential trade was due to the Morris fiasco? Seems like it could go either way since I have read rumors that Marco has been on the trade block for a while.

[ducks]

If the Celtics haven't renounced Morris, the Spurs would need to sign-and-trade Mills most likely to match NY's contract, tbh.

Lol

[Mugen]

Regardless what happens with Morris, they still gotta trade Beli. :lol

[PennSpur]

I'm hoping he doesn't sign. Carroll has historically played better at the 4. This will free up more minutes for DC there instead of forcing him to play the 3 alongside either Morris or Gay.

Giving Bertans away for free was dumb, but that ship has sailed.

[SequSpur]

Telosico

[EricB]

I'm hoping he doesn't sign. Carroll has historically played better at the 4. This will free up more minutes for DC there instead of forcing him to play the 3 alongside either Morris or Gay.

Giving Bertans away for free was dumb, but that ship has sailed.


People dont understand the salary cap or cba what so ever.

[LCM]

A trade machine successful projection :

Spurs : Belineli, Forbes, Metu, 2020 1st Rd pick

T Wolves : Covington, Bates-Diop

What would you think of this trade?

[spurraider21]

A trade machine successful projection :

Spurs : Belineli, Forbes, Metu, 2020 1st Rd pick

T Wolves : Covington, Bates-Diop

What would you think of this trade?
i think im having flashbacks to the good old days when spurstalk posers would try to package bonner/blair/neal for good players

[pad300]

A trade machine successful projection :

Spurs : Belineli, Forbes, Metu, 2020 1st Rd pick

T Wolves : Covington, Bates-Diop

What would you think of this trade?

Not a chance in hell the wolves do it...

[Mr. Body]

Funny enough, Kyle Anderson actually fits the team more now...

[LCM]

i think im having flashbacks to the good old days when spurstalk posers would try to package bonner/blair/neal for good players

Who would you sign? Who would you trade? All I read on this forum is Belli, Mills, Bertans, Metu need to be traded! Bertans isn't available anymore to trade or bitch about so who is left?? Tell me jackass!! Or are smart-ass comments all you got??

Unless Morris takes the deal like he said he would, are we going to go as is or are we going to make one more move? Because all I am seeing are types like Marques Chris, Dragan Bender ... saw Christian Wood may be available (wouldn't mind inviting him to training camp). So you have any potential solutions or just gass bag comments??

[LCM]

Not a chance in hell the wolves do it...

I agree, Covington is going to be werth his weight in gold to that new GM. Probably sees him as better Ariza. What is out there if Morris doesn't take the deal and Belli and Mills are your trade pieces now?

[spurraider21]

Who would you sign? Who would you trade? All I read on this forum is Belli, Mills, Bertans, Metu need to be traded! Bertans isn't available anymore to trade or bitch about so who is left?? Tell me jackass!! Or are smart-ass comments all you got??

Unless Morris takes the deal like he said he would, are we going to go as is or are we going to make one more move? Because all I am seeing are types like Marques Chris, Dragan Bender ... saw Christian Wood may be available (wouldn't mind inviting him to training camp). So you have any potential solutions or just gass bag comments??
teams arent going to give us good players in return for our trash that we actively want to dump

yeah i with minnesota takes that deal. and throw in towns while they're at it!

[Cklbmk]

This screams crowder to me.

Belinelli and metu or forbes for crowder

[Fusternino]

LOL why? Crowder basically a worse version of Carroll.

[Harry Callahan]

I think they may for 4 1st round picks. 3 from Miami and 1 from spurs. They are also getting rid of that albatross contract

Frankly, WB's contract is so huge OKC should be the team giving up #1s. The cap hit is almost crippling with the number of year's left. Jimmy Butler will be moving Winslow aside anyway.

[John B]

PATFO will most likely wait until mid-season for players to be waived than sign a player they don’t really want, while giving opportunity minutes to Metu or Ewwbanks to prove themselves. I like Ewwbanks offensive mindset, quick feet and size, but the guy can’t guard. I mean Spurs are known for making players play better defense. Metu, I like his athleticism but that’s about it. We haven’t really heard from him all summer. His foot better be good enough to play next game and show us any improvements.

[Texas_Ranger]

fuck, Mills just got married. Now i am sure he's closer to an contract extension than being traded. :(

[mo7888]

I agree, Covington is going to be werth his weight in gold to that new GM. Probably sees him as better Ariza. What is out there if Morris doesn't take the deal and Belli and Mills are your trade pieces now?

That GM apparently doesn't see him as good since hes let it be known that hes shopping him. Also, that GM just declined to match Tyus Jones because hes trying to clear cap space for next summer. If he can get expiring contract and a 1st for Covington he'll take it. It accomplishes what hes trying to get done there.

[mo7888]

We should package belinelli and forbes for Covington and if we have to give a pick then do it. That gets us our 3 and preserves the MLE.

Then take our MLE and go to Phoenix and try to pry Oubre away. This ones a longer shot but if they really don't want to pay him and he cant get more than the mid level elsewhere, offer it to him in S&T giving the suns a small asset (2nd and Metu). It's not the best value for them but if they don't want to pay and are being cheap they might bite.

In that scenario you still have a roster spot to give the minimum to a 3rd big. You can go Trey Lyles or Koufus...somebody to log minutes here or there.

[Keepin' it real]

People dont understand the salary cap or cba what so ever.

Why should they? They're casual sports fans.

[Duncan87]

Who’s pulling out all the sauces today???

[cd98]

Aren't we better off just signing an old veteran on a minimum deal, like say, Brewer, and then waiting until the buyout market and see if we can use some or all of the MLE to outbid the best buyout guy? Certainly Iguodala is a possibility if he gets bought out and the Spurs are in the playoff race.

[Cklbmk]

LOL why? Crowder basically a worse version of Carroll.

Because he's actually attainable.

Covington is a pipe dream, we don't have the pieces to give up for him without creating a hole.

[Cklbmk]

That GM apparently doesn't see him as good since hes let it be known that hes shopping him. Also, that GM just declined to match Tyus Jones because hes trying to clear cap space for next summer. If he can get expiring contract and a 1st for Covington he'll take it. It accomplishes what hes trying to get done there.

You're significantly undervaluing Covington if you think an expiring plus 1 of our 1sts is enough.

[sananspursfan21]

Livingston just got released, we can try him at Power Forward :)

[mo7888]

You're significantly undervaluing Covington if you think an expiring plus 1 of our 1sts is enough.

No...not really...a young play on a friendly contract (forbes), cap space, (Bellinelli), and a 1st will get it done. We may not go after him but he won't bring more than that coming off of a surgery for a team trying to hoard cap space for 2020.

[Cklbmk]

No...not really...a young play on a friendly contract (forbes), cap space, (Bellinelli), and a 1st will get it done. We may not go after him but he won't bring more than that coming off of a surgery for a team trying to hoard cap space for 2020.

You're dreaming. Forbes is 26 in a couple days. He's significantly older than their core and expiring. He's just cap space to them. 20 teams outbid that offer for Covington.

[mo7888]

You're dreaming. Forbes is 26 in a couple days. He's significantly older than their core and expiring. He's just cap space to them. 20 teams outbid that offer for Covington.

Well....we'll see....book mark it...

[cjw]

Aren't we better off just signing an old veteran on a minimum deal, like say, Brewer, and then waiting until the buyout market and see if we can use some or all of the MLE to outbid the best buyout guy? Certainly Iguodala is a possibility if he gets bought out and the Spurs are in the playoff race.

100%, wait for buyout market at this point. And if nothing materializes, you can use the MLE on Nikola (can’t you do that up until start of next league year?)

[Uriel]

So is this dead? :lol

[tmtcsc]

Enough of the soft-ass Euros. We need ballers who want to win and play like they give a shit.

[313]

So is this dead? :lol:lol

[MoSpur02]

So is this dead? :lol

Not sure. I've been told that the possibility of trading Marco was still strong, but isn't sure if it's 100% happening and that the whole Marcus Morris thing could have something to do with it.

[buujness]

Not sure. I've been told that the possibility of trading Marco was still strong, but isn't sure if it's 100% happening and that the whole Marcus Morris thing could have something to do with it.
Still want Morris to sign, but it'll be interesting to see what the Plan B is (unless it's just stand pat).

[spurraider21]

at this point there's no point to trading marco with the goal of signing a free agent player, though. we can just use the MLE.

[slick'81]

at this point there's no point to trading marco with the goal of signing a free agent player, though. we can just use the MLE.


Yea this shits doa

[random21]

Bullshit thread. Time to delete it?

[timtonymanu]

Still fine with a salary dump of Belinelli. Any way to get him off the team. I can already picture games the Spurs lose because Pop has to play Beli, otherwise it “won’t be fair to the team :cry.” And like Pau was, he would fuck up the momentum after guys like Lonnie have a nice showing.

[SpursDynasty85]

From my source. Not sure who the other player(s) is /are, but the Spurs might not be done this off season. Spurs looking to get a forward who can shoot from beyond the arc.

Was the Trey Lyles signing the only backup? Maybe they are still looking?

[pad300]

at this point there's no point to trading marco with the goal of signing a free agent player, though. we can just use the MLE.

The point would be to make a rosters spot - currently we have none free.

[slick'81]

Just end this thread already

[random21]

Just end this thread already

This ^

[DPG21920]

One would think Morris being a b*tch a**, punk a**, trick a**, hoe a** buster would bolster SA resolve to trade and improve the team.

[Leetonidas]

Maybe a deal is imminent? I mean when this thread was made it seemed odd that the Spurs were looking to trade Beli for a forward that can shoot when they had supposedly just agreed to terms with one and traded for another seemed odd but makes more sense now given what we know, especially considering he probably skipped his physical before this thread was made

[FkLA]

MoSpur02

Feed us, bro (no homo). I'm panicking over here, tbh.

[Holden_Caulfield]

so whats up. we still have the MLE? who can we s&t for that shit, no FA is worth that at the moment tbh

[slick'81]

so whats up. we still have the MLE? who can we s&t for that shit, no FA is worth that at the moment tbh


Nope.used part of that on trey sharp shooting lyles

[slick'81]

Maybe a deal is imminent? I mean when this thread was made it seemed odd that the Spurs were looking to trade Beli for a forward that can shoot when they had supposedly just agreed to terms with one and traded for another seemed odd but makes more sense now given what we know, especially considering he probably skipped his physical before this thread was made


His name is trey lyles .hopefully belli/??? could be flipped for a 3/4 but he wont be a fa as mentioned by op

[Holden_Caulfield]

Nope.used part of that on trey sharp shooting lyles
what are the terms of the 2 year deal. cant find it anywhere?

[MoSpur02]

MoSpur02

Feed us, bro (no homo). I'm panicking over here, tbh.

Wish I had an update regarding this. I was super excited too about the possibility of trading Marco. I was told that it was close to happening at the time and that they were surprised an announcement hadn't been made. Not sure what happened and if the whole Marcus Morris fiasco changed things.

[Mugen]

Wish I had an update regarding this. I was super excited too about the possibility of trading Marco. I was told that it was close to happening at the time and that they were surprised an announcement hadn't been made. Not sure what happened and if the whole Marcus Morris fiasco changed things.

Maybe they pulled a timvp and are scared to pull the trigger on Marco F'n Belinelli when they have a bonafide stud waiting in the wings in Lonnie...

Just kinda crazy to me that the Suckers are so hesitant to lose key rotational players from a 7th seed / 1st round exit team from last year....:lol

[Mr. Body]

I still feel Marco will get traded, but there's nothing there right now. Might be after the season starts. Given the slate of injuries at the beginning of last year, there's reason to be careful.

[OldMan88]

Good point. What team was it last year that had almost half their roster laid up at once?

[mo7888]

Tobias Harris was traded for a 2020 and 2021 1st
Otto Porter was traded for a young prospect about to get paid (Portis which ended up being a salary dump)

I know some think it's a pipedream but, there is precedent to Covington or Winslow being traded for a package based on salary cap space and a pick ('s)... granted, those trades were in-season so we might have to wait awhile but I think we have options here.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Heard today that Spurs/Magic talked about deal to acquire Evan Fournier. It sounds like this took place before MM flipping to Knicks. Was told there was preliminary talks and has not advanced since. I have no source with Spurs, this is coming from Magic side of things, do not know players/picks discussed from SA side. Was told Orlando last trade deadline was actively shopping Fournier, but haven't been actively seeking to move him since last season and contact came from Spurs. If I hear something more will update.

[Mr. Body]

Heard today that Spurs/Magic talked about deal to acquire Evan Fournier. It sounds like this took place before MM flipping to Knicks. Was told there was preliminary talks and has not advanced since. I have no source with Spurs, this is coming from Magic side of things, do not know players/picks discussed from SA side. Was told Orlando last trade deadline was actively shopping Fournier, but haven't been actively seeking to move him since last season and contact came from Spurs. If I hear something more will update.

You look at the Magic roster and wonder what the fuck they're doing.

And then some dips bitch about the Spurs on here.

[C-Dub]

Marco will not be traded to at least close to the trade deadline if at all and the spurs need his 3pt shooting and he is familiar with the Spurs system. If LW4 is playing regularly and producing than I see the Marco trade by the deadline at the earliest.

[C-Dub]

Marco will not be traded to at least close to the trade deadline if at all and the spurs need his 3pt shooting and he is familiar with the Spurs system. If LW4 is playing regularly and producing than I see the Marco trade by the deadline at the earliest.

[FkLA]

Heard today that Spurs/Magic talked about deal to acquire Evan Fournier. It sounds like this took place before MM flipping to Knicks. Was told there was preliminary talks and has not advanced since. I have no source with Spurs, this is coming from Magic side of things, do not know players/picks discussed from SA side. Was told Orlando last trade deadline was actively shopping Fournier, but haven't been actively seeking to move him since last season and contact came from Spurs. If I hear something more will update.

lol hell no

That guy is in the middle of like a $90 million contract, is another guard, and sucks. Hard pass.

[slick'81]

Lol this ish aint happening ..ferrari still in the garage

[Seventyniner]

Heard today that Spurs/Magic talked about deal to acquire Evan Fournier. It sounds like this took place before MM flipping to Knicks. Was told there was preliminary talks and has not advanced since. I have no source with Spurs, this is coming from Magic side of things, do not know players/picks discussed from SA side. Was told Orlando last trade deadline was actively shopping Fournier, but haven't been actively seeking to move him since last season and contact came from Spurs. If I hear something more will update.

Mills + Beli for Fournier + an asset is interesting. Fournier is not great but he's probably comparable to Beli in terms of impact. This would reduce the guard logjam, and Fournier can play SF in a pinch.

It saves Orlando about $4M in salary in 2020-2021 which is why the asset is included. That might not be enough to get them to throw in a first, but I have seen stranger things happen.

[RC_Drunkford]

Mills + Beli for Fournier + an asset is interesting. Fournier is not great but he's probably comparable to Beli in terms of impact. This would reduce the guard logjam, and Fournier can play SF in a pinch.

It saves Orlando about $4M in salary in 2020-2021 which is why the asset is included. That might not be enough to get them to throw in a first, but I have seen stranger things happen.

I don't see why Orlando should even throw an asset in. I'd do Mills and Beli for Forunier straight up without hesitation

[Chinook]

I don't see why Orlando should even throw an asset in. I'd do Mills and Beli for Forunier straight up without hesitation

Fournier is the worst of the three and has the worst contract. He dominates the Spurs but is a net-negative player besides.

[duncan2150]

Fournier worst than belli and mills ? You' re not serious, he is way better but i agree about the contract.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Was there ever any truth to this post?

[Excessive Egotist]

Net-net, I'd rather have Mills and Belinelli. Magic would have to include a pick. Unprotected second is worth ~3MM. Not that it matters much, but Mills has a smaller 2021 cap hold too.

[SpurPadre]

Was there ever any truth to this post?

Of course not.

[Mr. Body]

I'd far rather have Mills and Belinelli than some random more expensive guy on another team. We don't know how the guard logjam is going to work out, we don't know if injuries will hit again. If they need to whittle the roster down, you can do this later and for a position of need.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Was surprised that Fournier was a potential trade target, but he is probably one of the better scorers you could realistically get without having to move any of your young guys. Like DDR he can play the 3, but his natural position is the 2. I don't know his contract details but if he would come off the books the same time as LMA/Derozan I could see the Spurs considering it especially if they were looking to make move with Morris under contract.
I also think Orlando has been pretty bad and for much of his time there he has been asked to be the #2 guy, even #1 option before Vucevic emerged.

Having said all that would much rather target a true 3/SF type to defend the LBJ, Nephew types

[KobesAchilles]

I have to think that Morris really fucked up this trade. Spurs were all in on him and finally found their defensive player for Nephew, George, and LeBron. Get rid of Marco, who wasn’t gonna get any playing time for a bag of chips. Now they lost Morris and you know :pop: is thinking Marco can guard Kawhi. I’m scared to watch this team against the LA teams tbh.

Sidenote: Fuck you Morris. You ruined my life!

[coachmac87]

I'd far rather have Mills and Belinelli than some random more expensive guy on another team. We don't know how the guard logjam is going to work out, we don't know if injuries will hit again. If they need to whittle the roster down, you can do this later and for a position of need.

This is 110% PATFO logic and totally justifiable

[Excessive Egotist]

Belinelli and Metu for Kyle Anderson?

[Seventyniner]

Belinelli and Metu for Kyle Anderson?

:lol

Imagine the meltdown here if it happens. I think it would work well for both teams except for the fact that Anderson's contract runs one year too long.

[Joseph Kony]

Belinelli and Metu for Kyle Anderson?

sad to say but i wouldnt mind this, spurs would have another lengthy defender to throw at Leonard/George or LeBron. As limited as he is offensively he is a solid player overall

[Mr. Body]

I've been saying Kyle fits this team much better now.

[cutewizard]

:fro

[r0drig0lac]

Solomon Hill would be an option with only 1 year of remaining contract, but the value leaves any trade virtually impossible.

[look_at_g_shred]

Is this died?

[John B]

Belinelli and Metu for Kyle Anderson?
That ship has sailed. Pass

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Kyle Anderson is awful. You guys are ridiculous if you think Anderson can guard Kawhi or LeBron James, let alone Paul George. The team should be trying to improve while dumping washed up bums with bad contracts. Taking back a mediocre overpaid Kyle Anderson would be counterproductive towads true improvement. The Spurs would be better off to miss the playoffs with a youth movement while getting a better pick next season. Kyle Anderson does nothing to move the needle, especially not with the years on his contract.

[dbestpro]

Enough of the soft-ass Euros. We need ballers who want to win and play like they give a shit.

Most of the world of basketball sees the NBA as soft and the Euro leagues as one of the places where true basketball is still played. Of course maybe you just prefer a good game of H.O.R.S.E.

[slick'81]

Is this died?


Been died

derozan on the trade block is the new jam

[tmtcsc]

Most of the world of basketball sees the NBA as soft and the Euro leagues as one of the places where true basketball is still played. Of course maybe you just prefer a good game of H.O.R.S.E.

Says you. The NBA is considered the best league and assemblage of basketball talent in the world. Who was the last player who failed in Europe only to flourish in the NBA?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/05dcb44f6b30850b1cd4ccee46ac1dd2/tenor.gif

[BackHome]

Most of the world of basketball sees the NBA as soft and the Euro leagues as one of the places where true basketball is still played. Of course maybe you just prefer a good game of H.O.R.S.E.

+ 1

[tmtcsc]

+ 1

Lol, Kevin Durant signing with Barcelona in 3...2....1

[San Antonio Slayer]

NBA players are too soft thanx to refs and overpayment. they would got pulverised in FIBA 3x3

[exstatic]

Says you. The NBA is considered the best league and assemblage of basketball talent in the world. Who was the last player who failed in Europe only to flourish in the NBA?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/05dcb44f6b30850b1cd4ccee46ac1dd2/tenor.gif

He didn't say Europe was better, just tougher. The fact is, the NBA has been majorly pussified by rules changes over the last decade or so.

[Seventyniner]

He didn't say Europe was better, just tougher. The fact is, the NBA has been majorly pussified by rules changes over the last decade or so.

This is part of why some were saying that Samanic should do better in the NBA where he won't be pushed around so much.

[dbestpro]

Says you. The NBA is considered the best league and assemblage of basketball talent in the world. Who was the last player who failed in Europe only to flourish in the NBA?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/05dcb44f6b30850b1cd4ccee46ac1dd2/tenor.gif

The NBA plays no defense. When they play defense they can regain that argument. Right now, it is not the game that brings players to the NBA, it is the money. When the money matches in Europe, players stay there. Real basketball involves 10 players on a court not 2 or 3 who are isolated on offense and another 5 not allowed to play defense. There is a reason the NBA is removing the center position. It is soft and has been taken over by marketing and merchandising concerns.

[Keepin' it real]

This trade taking forever! Marco must be demanding a private jet ala Leanord.

[tmtcsc]

The NBA plays no defense. When they play defense they can regain that argument. Right now, it is not the game that brings players to the NBA, it is the money. When the money matches in Europe, players stay there. Real basketball involves 10 players on a court not 2 or 3 who are isolated on offense and another 5 not allowed to play defense. There is a reason the NBA is removing the center position. It is soft and has been taken over by marketing and merchandising concerns.

C'mon man, you're just trolling now. The biggest knock on European players is that they DON'T play defense. Seriously, name one player who came from Europe who was good at defense. Sarunas Marciulionis, Ibaka, Detlef Shremp & Sefolosha were decent. We're arguing toughness, not overall skills or basketball IQ. European players seem to have a problem defending without hacking or getting juked out of their socks. Some of the best European players' games don't transition to the nba.

[tmtcsc]

NBA players are too soft thanx to refs and overpayment. they would got pulverised in FIBA 3x3

FIBA 3x3? I never knew that was a thing.

[NASpurs]

What could had been but now we’re stuck with the meatball :lol

[timtonymanu]

Ask T Park. His sources tell him Marco is still getting traded

[TimDunkem]

Yeah he's going nowhere unless you sweeten the deal with a pick and/or a better player.

[DPG21920]

He’s no longer an NBA player and no, him getting hot on fluky bad shots possibly doesn’t change that. He’s cooked

[alpha_HaZE]

Let's make it happen Belli to the Sixers.

[Dverde]

Marco would be a great tank commander.

[Slippy]

He’s no longer an NBA player and no, him getting hot on fluky bad shots possibly doesn’t change that. He’s cooked

Quite simply this

[sananspursfan21]

One can dream...

[John B]

This is getting inevitable. He is shooting crap and doesn’t play D. Worst he is taking valuable minutes from Lonnie.

[Dex]

This is getting inevitable. He is shooting crap and doesn’t play D. Worst he is taking valuable minutes from Lonnie.

At this point, you'd have to attach a draft pick to ship Beli out. Pop just needs to send him to the end of the bench and eat the contract.

[rjv]

Ask T Park. His sources tell him Marco is still getting traded

of all ST rumors i hear on a weekly basis, this is the one i pray actually has some meat to it. but i have no idea who in the hell would want him.

[mo7888]

I'd like Marco traded too but it's not really going to make a big difference. We need something more creative or something involving real nba players. Two guys I see that are available out there are Myles Turner with indy and Gallo with okc. Indy's head coach and FO like LMA, so build something around him and get Turner. OKC is collecting draft picks, so build something around our 1st (even if it has to happen after December 15th.) Derozen and DJ would look much better if you had these two guys spacing the floor. Turner is on a good contract and is young with some athleticism. Let's turn the page and do something...it's past time...

[Dejounte]

Beli needs to be traded to open up a spot for Lonnie. Either Carroll or Samanic needs to step up to be that tweener forward that defends well for us. That would be our secondary weakness.

[FkLA]

Isnt this the thread where that EricB guy guaranteed that Wombat and Belli were going to have mentor roles? That PATFO had already had the talk with them? :lol

[NASpurs]

Theyve already agreed hes to be at the end of the bench. He’s ready to support and lead in any way pop asks. White Murray and walker are getting minutes.

Also, what does it matter how much they pay him to be there? Why do you care?


I'll believe it when I see it. Can I call you out on this if Mills gets his usal 22/25 minutes?



I care because it eats up cap space that could be used on more useful players.


You can do whatever you want I don’t give a shit. I trust the guy sitting in the exit meetings telling me what was said.


so it’s about money jealousy with you. Figured. Not a serious person. Sorry I wasted time on this pointless excercise.


crofl TPorkus

[DAF86]

Theyve already agreed hes to be at the end of the bench. He’s ready to support and lead in any way pop asks. White Murray and walker are getting minutes.

Also, what does it matter how much they pay him to be there? Why do you care?

Lying sack of pus. :lol Your word is to never be trusted again, tbh.

[DAF86]

You do understand Bertans stinks at defense and also, Carroll and Morris shoot threes. Also carroll and Morris are better players.

Can't even get into the rotation. :lmao

P/S: Bertans would be starting right now.

[DAF86]

You can do whatever you want I don’t give a shit. I trust the guy sitting in the exit meetings telling me what was said.


so it’s about money jealousy with you. Figured. Not a serious person. Sorry I wasted time on this pointless excercise.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Mugen]

:rollin

This is what happens when the hot dog guy is your "source"

[FkLA]

:lol guy sitting in on the exit meetings

[TimDunkem]

Bend over, I'll show you an exit meeting.

[timtonymanu]

crofl TPorkus

T Park would know a thing or two about pointless exercise. Have you seen the size of that man?

[timtonymanu]

:rollin

This is what happens when the hot dog guy is your "source"

:lmao

[RD2191]

:rollin

This is what happens when the hot dog guy is your "source"

:lmao

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Beli needs to be traded to open up a spot for Lonnie. Either Carroll or Samanic needs to step up to be that tweener forward that defends well for us. That would be our secondary weakness.Walker isn't any better than Beli he may even worst at least Beli knows how to pass.

[Leetonidas]

It's funny EricB is such a PATFO stan considering he quit on the team and said he would never post again in the 2005 finals :lmao