[Woj]Spurs have pulled offer to Marcus Morris and agreed to a deal with free agent Trey Lyles

[mo7888]

Trade targets- 1) Winslow 2) Covington

I only prefer Winslow slightly because of Covington's surgery but, we need one of them to contend.

[Atl Spur]

Low risk.......High return. Just kicking the tires��. Almost like getting a free draft pick.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If guys like Kanter, Kaminsky and Thies only got two-year, $10 million, I can't imagine Lyles got more than that. It's gotta be somewhere between $6-9 million guaranteed, I'd think.

I hope so. Hopefully we saved enough to entice a bought-out player down the road.

[Marcus Bryant]

Interesting that the amount isn't out yet.

[playblair]

austin daye redux...........will have 1 game where he cant miss then go cold for the rest of the season

[Mugen]

Interesting that the amount isn't out yet.

:lol Nobody cares after the Westbrook trade tbh

[Marcus Bryant]

Except for us weirdos.

[DPG21920]

Considering SA has been in a bit of panic mode lately with Kawhi trade and now Morris (Pau and Mills deals notwithstanding) I wouldn’t be surprised to see this higher than you expect.

Lyles is a 3-4M player anything more, especially dead money next year is dumb.
timvp how do you reconcile this FO letting Klutch do this only to turn around and reward them for a low ceiling player? I’ve never been more disappointed in this franchise. It’s a b*tch move.

Again if they hadn’t traded Bertans on Klutchs word? Fine. But they did.

[Mugen]

Except for us weirdos.

Guilty as charged tbh.

[slick'81]

Considering SA has been in a bit of panic mode lately with Kawhi trade and now Morris (Pau and Mills deals notwithstanding) I wouldn’t be surprised to see this higher than you expect.

Lyles is a 3-4M player anything more, especially dead money next year is dumb.
timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) how do you reconcile this FO letting Klutch do this only to turn around and reward them for a low ceiling player? I’ve never been more disappointed in this franchise. It’s a b*tch move.

Again if they hadn’t traded Bertans on Klutchs word? Fine. But they did.


This is totally dissapointing but the spin is real

[Uriel]

Why isn't anyone getting mad at RC for this? Morris was still undecided. He should've let him decide, rather than deciding for him.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I am an optimist but what the hell are you basing that on?

G league highlights and a work out video I saw

[BatManu20]

2-yrs/$11M. 2nd year is Not guaranteed. Not bad.

1149503587988340743

[spurs10]

https://www.spurstalk.com/trey-lyles-justin-holiday-spurs-sign-marcus-morris-plan-b/

The Lyles of two years ago put up the same per-possessions stats as Morris did last season.

https://www.spurstalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/trey-lyles-spurs.jpg

Lyles couldn't hit a shot last year but the potential is there for him to eventually be better than Morris. Though, obviously, the 2019-20 Spurs take a hit with this news. He's much younger and will be working with Chip.

[timvp]

timvp how do you reconcile this FO letting Klutch do this only to turn around and reward them for a low ceiling player? I’ve never been more disappointed in this franchise. It’s a b*tch move.


Klutch is the fastest growing agency in the league. It'd be pretty damn dumb to refuse to work with them going forward. That's doubly true when the two sides have to talk this summer to see if a Murray extension is possible.

The Spurs held a grudge against Arn Tellem for nearly two decades after Lamond Murray did something similar and that didn't help the franchise. It fact, there were multiple times it hurt the team that Pop refused to talk to Tellem.

Morris' story is he never meant to agree with the Spurs, that it was a miscommunication with Rich Paul. The Spurs could either roll their eyes while accepting their tall tale or attempt a one-team blackball of what will probably soon become the league's biggest agency.

For the sake of pettiness, the Klutch boycott would have some good drama. But if the Spurs wanted to do what's best for the franchise going forward, accepting them at their word and moving on is the smarter move, IMO.

[EricB]

Why isn't anyone getting mad at RC for this? Morris was still undecided. He should've let him decide, rather than deciding for him.


You serious Clark?

[EricB]

Klutch is the fastest growing agency in the league. It'd be pretty damn dumb to refuse to work with them going forward. That's doubly true when the two sides have to talk this summer to see if a Murray extension is possible.

The Spurs held a grudge against Arn Tellem for nearly two decades after Lamond Murray did something similar and that didn't help the franchise. It fact, there were multiple times it hurt the team that Pop refused to talk to Tellem.

Morris' story is he never meant to agree with the Spurs, that it was a miscommunication with Rich Paul. The Spurs could either roll their eyes while accepting their tall tale or attempt a one-team blackball of what will probably soon become the league's biggest agency.

For the sake of pettiness, the Klutch boycott would have some good drama. But if the Spurs wanted to do what's best for the franchise going forward, accepting them at their word and moving on is the smarter move, IMO.


Way too level headed thinking for this forum tbh

[Mugen]

Please god, trade that contract with Beli. Please.

[slick'81]

Why isn't anyone getting mad at RC for this? Morris was still undecided. He should've let him decide, rather than deciding for him.

he wasnt coming.that was just sa saving face

[DPG21920]

Klutch is the fastest growing agency in the league. It'd be pretty damn dumb to refuse to work with them going forward. That's doubly true when the two sides have to talk this summer to see if a Murray extension is possible.

The Spurs held a grudge against Arn Tellem for nearly two decades after Lamond Murray did something similar and that didn't help the franchise. It fact, there were multiple times it hurt the team that Pop refused to talk to Tellem.

Morris' story is he never meant to agree with the Spurs, that it was a miscommunication with Rich Paul. The Spurs could either roll their eyes while accepting their tall tale or attempt a one-team blackball of what will probably soon become the league's biggest agency.

For the sake of pettiness, the Klutch boycott would have some good drama. But if the Spurs wanted to do what's best for the franchise going forward, accepting them at their word and moving on is the smarter move, IMO.

Horsesh*t imo. It’s one thing if it’s just morris. But everyone saw them try to harm NO. They know what they are about. I would absolutely stand my ground and what is SA tangibly getting lately with being the nice guys? Can you name anything

It’s one thing to refuse to ever deal with them. It’s another to turn around and immediately reward them for a low end player.

[slick'81]

So 5.5 per for our new canadian sharp shooter

[timvp]

2-yrs/$11M. 2nd year is Not guaranteed. Not bad.

1149503587988340743

Jabari's saying second year is only partially guaranteed. Not a great deal for the Spurs but it's in the ballpark of what was expected. I'd image somewhere between $6-9 million is guaranteed.

Meh, that's okay.

[Eaglenole2002]

Maybe it’s unpopular, but I prefer acquiring a younger player who potentially can help over the next five years than a player who helps us be competitive in the first round of the playoffs.

[Marcus Bryant]

2-yrs/$11M. 2nd year is Not guaranteed. Not bad.

1149503587988340743

meh.

[Marcus Bryant]

.

[FkLA]

Why isn't anyone getting mad at RC for this? Morris was still undecided. He should've let him decide, rather than deciding for him.

Dude you have to learn to let go. Weren't you mad that PATFO didn't force Nephew to stick around too? :lol

[slick'81]

Jabari's saying second year is only partially guaranteed. Not a great deal for the Spurs but it's in the ballpark of what was expected. I'd image somewhere between $6-9 million is guaranteed.

Meh, that's okay.


I def threw up in my mouth but ill try and be optimistic amidst this shit storm

[Mugen]

I'm not even asking for a lot....

Just that come mid-Dec, if they're hanging around the 5-8 seed....see what Forbes/Beli/Lyles/1st rounder gets you. It's gotta bring back a rotational player. Has to.

Literally any other team in the hunt would do that....spare me the wouldn't be fair to the guys, corporate knowledge bullshit.....

The team has very, very few paths to raise their ceiling this upcoming season. One being Lonnie breaks out and becomes a legit NBA rotation player. Yet, he's probably going to have to head into next season fighting for minutes with Bryn F'n Forbes and Marco Belinelli :lol smh.....

[Mugen]

I don't even mind the higher salary because most other GMs would find use with it in a trade down the line...Most GMs. :lol

[Dejounte]

Trey is only for insurance in case someone gets injured

Dejounte/ White/ Quinndary
Forbes/ Lonnie/ Mills
DeMar/ Carroll/ Beli/ Johnson
Aldridge/ Gay/ Lyles/ Samanic
Poetl/ Eubanks/ Metu

by mid-season...

Dejounte/ White/ Quinndary
DeMar/ Lonnie/ Forbes/ Mills
Carroll/ Beli/ Johnson
Aldridge/ Gay/ Lyles/ Samanic
Poetl/ Eubanks/ Metu

[DPG21920]

Awful contract :td

Should have been no more than 2/8 with 0 money in year 2. Major fail and adding any dead money is stupid on heels of Pau, Carroll and now this Klutch idiot

[slick'81]

I don't even mind the higher salary because most other GMs would find use with it in a trade down the line...Most GMs. :lol


We said that with pau tbh

[Mugen]

Trey is only for insurance in case someone gets injured

Dejounte/ White/ Quinndary
Forbes/ Lonnie/ Mills
DeMar/ Carroll/ Beli/ Johnson
Aldridge/ Gay/ Lyles/ Samanic
Poetl/ Eubanks/ Metu

by mid-season...

Dejounte/ White/ Quinndary
DeMar/ Lonnie/ Forbes/ Mills
Carroll/ Beli/ Johnson
Aldridge/ Gay/ Lyles/ Samanic
Poetl/ Eubanks/ Metu

So about 20mil to 3rd stringers :lol

[slick'81]

Awful contract :td

Should have been no more than 2/8 with 0 money in year 2. Major fail and adding any dead money is stupid on heels of Pau, Carroll and now this Klutch idiot

spurs doing spur things

[Mugen]

We said that with pau tbh

And Pau had to come to them asking to be bought out :lmao

[John B]

Bonner + Bertans = Lyles, with a little dash of Diaw :lol

[mo7888]

Awful contract :td

Should have been no more than 2/8 with 0 money in year 2. Major fail and adding any dead money is stupid on heels of Pau, Carroll and now this Klutch idiot

What money in year 2? The tweet I saw said the 2nd was non guaranteed.

[spurs10]

Lyles is much more of a bouncy interior defender who can't defend out on the perimeter very well (you're not going to put him on one of those big wings). Morris can defend both forward spots pretty well but obviously doesn't provide any rim protection.

RPM believes Lyles is the much better defender .... but for what the Spurs need and the teams they need to go through, I'd much rather have Morris ... obviously. I'm thinking Lyles will be playing the 4 and not out on the perimeter anyway right? Wasn't Morris going to play the 4 as well? So defending the rim would have mattered. Having Gay or Carroll start in Morris' place will likely be the plan I'm thinking. I understand Morris was likely ready to start. If Rudy keeps playing and shooting like last season I'd like him to start.

[GrapplingYautja]

Some of you idiots think these players want to play for free. It is what it is. They're taking their chances on a young dude who may or may not pan out.

They got bit by a dude that got a better deal. It happens. Move on.

[DPG21920]

What a pathetic showing this off season. Not SA fault they let Klutch punk them but capitulating to Klutch with a stupid contract and player was in their control

Off season grade is back to a C- nothing disastrous but completely stuck in the mud with no real conviction on a direction. They one foot in, one foot outed the off season and instead of really trying to improve they ended up half ass in a panic.

They made their bed with DeRozan deal (their choice) and need to push to win now more convincingly or go the other way. This dedicated to mediocrity thing while embarrassing themselves does no good.

At least they didn’t take on anything past two years other than Carroll’s dead money

[timvp]

Horsesh*t imo. It’s one thing if it’s just morris. But everyone saw them try to harm NO. They know what they are about. I would absolutely stand my ground and what is SA tangibly getting lately with being the nice guys? Can you name anything

It’s one thing to refuse to ever deal with them. It’s another to turn around and immediately reward them for a low end player.

So you wanted the Spurs to not sign the one player left on the market that might be able to fill Morris' role in order to hold a grudge? Okay.

[FkLA]

Man, I just hope Pop and RC don't call it an off-season after this. It looked like their fire was back, the fanbase was excited. It would be such a punch to the gut if this was it. I wouldn't even mind if they did something desperate and gave up too many assets for guys that can actually make a difference (i.e. Iggy, RoCo).

[DPG21920]

What money in year 2? The tweet I saw said the 2nd was non guaranteed.


It’s partially guaranteed. 5.5M in year one is too much by itself. Any dead money in year two is DUMB

[Big P]

$11 mil? lmao, we've gone from one of the top fo's to the bottom rung.

[EricB]

Man, I just hope Pop and RC don't call it an off-season after this. It looked like their fire was back, the fanbase was excited. It would be such a punch to the gut if this was it. I wouldn't even mind if they did something desperate and gave up too many assets for guys that can actually make a difference (i.e. Iggy).

They’re not done.

[mo7888]

It’s partially guaranteed. 5.5M in year one is too much by itself. Any dead money in year two is DUMB

Jabari says the 2nd year is not guaranteed...

[slick'81]

What a pathetic showing this off season. Not SA fault they let Klutch punk them but capitulating to Klutch with a stupid contract and player was in their control

Off season grade is back to a C- nothing disastrous but completely stuck in the mud with no real conviction on a direction. They one foot in, one foot outed the off season and instead of really trying to improve they ended up half ass in a panic.

They made their bed with DeRozan deal (their choice) and need to push to win now more convincingly or go the other way. This dedicated to mediocrity thing while embarrassing themselves does no good.

At least they didn’t take on anything past two years other than Carroll’s dead money


Exactly. No real improvement other then carrol but his third year shouldnt hurt.It all comes down to white/murray/lw4 if this team escapes mediocrity this season

[azarel]

$11 mil? lmao, we've gone from one of the top fo's to the bottom rung.

2nd yr is either partial or non guaranteed... how is that 11 mil...

[timvp]

What a pathetic showing this off season. Not SA fault they let Klutch punk them but capitulating to Klutch with a stupid contract and player was in their control

Off season grade is back to a C- nothing disastrous but completely stuck in the mud with no real conviction on a direction. They one foot in, one foot outed the off season and instead of really trying to improve they ended up half ass in a panic.

They made their bed with DeRozan deal (their choice) and need to push to win now more convincingly or go the other way. This dedicated to mediocrity thing while embarrassing themselves does no good.

At least they didn’t take on anything past two years other than Carroll’s dead money

The Spurs were a nearly unprecedented broken verbal agreement away from an A in your book, right? That's a pretty good showing with some bad luck at the end. Unless you think Klutch was out to get the Spurs from the beginning of the summer ... which is farfetched, to say the least.

[DAF86]

Again, go for Bullock. Just to stir shit up at least. Man the fuck up for once.

[timtonymanu]

Way too level headed thinking for this forum tbh

Coming from the guy who said Jeff errors is the bigger better Malik rose, that includes your dumb fatass too

[DPG21920]

So you wanted the Spurs to not sign the one player left on the market that might be able to fill Morris' role in order to hold a grudge? Okay.

Yeah. Unless you think just letting people bully you yields good things? Lyles on this team means nothing. Doesn’t move the needle at all.

You can claim something is better than nothing but when the something doesn’t move the needle you don’t eat a shit Sammy for it. It’s weak. Really weak and I’m shocked you’re ok with it for a player of Lyles caliber.

He’s not the only player left either.

[Fusternino]

Any chance we can dump a guard and use the rest of the MLE on Milutinov?

[EricB]

Coming from the guy who said Jeff errors is the bigger better Malik rose, that includes your dumb fatass too

who are you?

[00945584]

Sport trac has DeMarre carrol 3rd year as non guaranteed? Anyone know anything about this. If DeMarre carol 3rd year is non guaranteed I’d argue lyles > bertans.

[EricB]

Yeah. Unless you think just letting people bully you yields good things? Lyles on this team means nothing. Doesn’t move the needle at all.

You can claim something is better than nothing but when the something doesn’t move the needle you don’t eat a shit Sammy for it. It’s weak. Really weak and I’m shocked you’re ok with it for a player of Lyles caliber.

He’s not the only player left either.


He pretty much is.

[EricB]

Sport trac has DeMarre carrol 3rd year as non guaranteed? Anyone know anything about this. If DeMarre carol 3rd year is non guaranteed I’d argue lyles > bertans.


Only 1 and change of it is guaranteed. Practically nothing.

[mo7888]

Any chance we can dump a guard and use the rest of the MLE on Milutinov?

I think we are saving the remainder for a buyout candidate around the trade line.

[DPG21920]

So you wanted the Spurs to not sign the one player left on the market that might be able to fill Morris' role in order to hold a grudge? Okay.


Also you didn’t answer my question - what has SA gotten by being nice? Kawhi crapped on then and won a title. Pau asked out after murdering them in negotiations. Klutch walked all over them and SA got dead money for it?

Really think it can get worse by just passing on Lyles (which by the way wouldn’t be viewed as a boycott when you can easily just say you weren’t interested in him. Klutch going to call you a liar after their tall tale?)

[00945584]

Oh wow so not all is lost. In fact it’s an asset then if we want to take on salary of a good player.

[spurraider21]

Why isn't anyone getting mad at RC for this? Morris was still undecided. He should've let him decide, rather than deciding for him.
bruh, the morris and lyles signings were announced within minutes of each other. the decisions had already been made

[FkLA]

Yeah. Unless you think just letting people bully you yields good things? Lyles on this team means nothing. Doesn’t move the needle at all.

You can claim something is better than nothing but when the something doesn’t move the needle you don’t eat a shit Sammy for it. It’s weak. Really weak and I’m shocked you’re ok with it for a player of Lyles caliber.

He’s not the only player left either.

I agree. The fact that he's a Klutch player would've been enough for me to turn him away but then he has big red flags too. There's no point to signing this loser especially when it makes the Spurs look like cucks.

[timtonymanu]

who are you?

The guy who has a healthier diet than you

[EricB]

The guy who has a healthier diet than you


Bravo to you. Run along.

[timtonymanu]

Bravo to you. Run along.

Something you haven't done in 20 years

[Marcus Bryant]

Also you didn’t answer my question - what has SA gotten by being nice? Kawhi crapped on then and won a title. Pau asked out after murdering them in negotiations. Klutch walked all over them and SA got dead money for it?

Really think it can get worse by just passing on Lyles (which by the way wouldn’t be viewed as a boycott when you can easily just say you weren’t interested in him. Klutch going to call you a liar after their tall tale?)


Nice? The Spurs dumped Leonard in NBA Siberia, did not trade him to LA as desired. Otherwise what did you want them to do? Suspend him without pay? How are they going to recruit players to the smallest media market in the league when they start doing shit like that? What were they going to do to Klutch about Morris? Do a drive by at Rich Paul's house? I swear some of you are just fucking incoherent and want to bitch all day.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs were a nearly unprecedented broken verbal agreement away from an A in your book, right? That's a pretty good showing with some bad luck at the end. Unless you think Klutch was out to get the Spurs from the beginning of the summer ... which is farfetched, to say the least.


It was an A. The reason I moved it back down is because of what was in their control: overpaying a significantly worse player. That alone is bad. The fact it was an all time b*tch move to sign a Klutch guy? Cherry on top. Again, if it were for a player that actually moved the needle and was starting quality FINE. But they panicked and signed a bad player to a bad deal and now are stuck in the mud with nothing more than internal improvement to bank on

I’m high on the young guys but SA needed to more convincingly go for it and Lyles Deal is a step BACKWARDS. If Morris burns you ok, not on you. But pivot and start getting more aggressive in trade market using future assets to give yourself a real shot.

[random21]

What in the actual fuck? :lol The Spurs just had a great draft and LW4 looks awesome.

My original quote said Lonnie guiding them. Reading is a skill that should have been learned early on

[DPG21920]

He pretty much is.


Pretty much isn’t only. There were enough guys left to not reward Klutch

[SAGirl]

Wow, Spurstalk had this one b4 Woj ;)

[Uriel]

You serious Clark?

he wasnt coming.that was just sa saving face

Dude you have to learn to let go. Weren't you mad that PATFO didn't force Nephew to stick around too? :lol

bruh, the morris and lyles signings were announced within minutes of each other. the decisions had already been made
If the story Woj tells is to be believed, RC waited for two days for Morris to decide, then grew impatient and withdrew the offer and struck a deal with Lyles instead. With the Spurs' offer off the table, Morris simply had no alternative but to accept New York's offer, which he moved swiftly to do.


After free-agent forward Marcus Morris (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6462/marcus-morris) reneged on a verbal agreement to sign with the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs), the franchise finally withdrew its offer and instead reached a two-year deal with forward Trey Lyles (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3136196/trey-lyles), league sources told ESPN.

Morris had waffled on a two-year, $20 million commitment to the Spurs, who gave him more than two days to reconsider the decommitment before striking a deal with Lyles, league sources said.

​Morris is accepting a one-year, $15 million deal with the New York Knicks (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/ny/new-york-knicks), whose offer had caused Morris to renege on his Spurs agreement, league sources said. Spurs general manager RC Buford had worked to give Morris a chance to accept the Spurs deal, but ultimately moved on to Lyles.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27171019/sources-morris-join-knicks-spurs-move-on

[EricB]

Pretty much isn’t only. There were enough guys left to not reward Klutch


Cant operate a team like a flaming at the mouth weirdo. It’s business. Not personal. Just like you say all the time trying to get Patty Mills trades.

[EricB]

If the story Woj tells is to be believed, RC waited for two days for Morris to decide, then grew impatient and withdrew the offer and struck a deal with Lyles instead. With the Spurs' offer off the table, Morris simply had no alternative but to accept New York's offer, which he moved swiftly to do.


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27171019/sources-morris-join-knicks-spurs-move-on


He was given two days. Two days were up. You don’t sit around and say “ok we’ll wait longer. Gmafb.

[DPG21920]

Nice? The Spurs dumped Leonard in NBA Siberia, did not trade him to LA as desired. Otherwise what did you want them to do? Suspend him without pay? How are they going to recruit players to the smallest media market in the league when they start doing shit like that? What were they going to do to Klutch about Morris? Do a drive by at Rich Paul's house? I swear some of you are just fucking incoherent and want to bitch all day.


No offense but this is stupid. A drive by? What? How about just not signing a bad player of theirs to a bad deal? I would be disappointed in the Lyles deal if Morris never existed. The fact Klutch did that and the Lyles Deal. Yeah, I’m bitching.

Regarding Kawhi and being nice I’m talking about letting their name get dragged while watching Kawhi win a title.

[Seventyniner]

Also you didn’t answer my question - what has SA gotten by being nice? Kawhi crapped on then and won a title. Pau asked out after murdering them in negotiations. Klutch walked all over them and SA got dead money for it?

Really think it can get worse by just passing on Lyles (which by the way wouldn’t be viewed as a boycott when you can easily just say you weren’t interested in him. Klutch going to call you a liar after their tall tale?)

I'm not going to shit on PATFO over the dead money part. They're almost certainly going to operate over the cap next summer. Dead money in the summer of 2021 would have sent me up the wall though.

[random21]

What in the actual fuck? :lol The Spurs just had a great draft and LW4 looks awesome.

My original quote said Lonnie guiding them. Reading is a skill that should have been learned early on

[EricB]

No offense but this is stupid. A drive by? What? How about just not signing a bad player of theirs to a bad deal? I would be disappointed in the Lyles deal if Morris never existed. The fact Klutch did that and the Lyles Deal. Yeah, I’m bitching.

Regarding Kawhi and being nice I’m talking about letting their name get dragged while watching Kawhi win a title.


You dont operate a team by dragging a player through the mud. You operate it like a business but with class.

You signed a center who shoots threes to pretty much a 1 year deal for 5 million. If he’s bad you can buy him out easily or trade his contract. You can’t shun an agency just because their client is a dumbass.

[Marcus Bryant]

No offense but this is stupid. A drive by? What? How about just not signing a bad player of theirs to a bad deal? I would be disappointed in the Lyles deal if Morris never existed. The fact Klutch did that and the Lyles Deal. Yeah, I’m bitching.

Regarding Kawhi and being nice I’m talking about letting their name get dragged while watching Kawhi win a title.

Yes, your posts are stupid. "Being nice" is a fucking retarded criticism. No offense, of course.

[Uriel]

He was given two days. Two days were up. You don’t sit around and say “ok we’ll wait longer. Gmafb.
You do for Morris if the alternative is Lyles.

[DPG21920]

Yes, your posts are stupid. "Being nice" is a fucking retarded criticism. No offense, of course.

Lol guy bringing up drive byes calling others stupid. Seen it all now.

[timvp]

Any dead money in year two is DUMBIs it? Next summer doesn't appear to be the year the Spurs are clearing cap space for, IMO.


Yeah. Unless you think just letting people bully you yields good things? Lyles on this team means nothing. Doesn’t move the needle at all.

You can claim something is better than nothing but when the something doesn’t move the needle you don’t eat a shit Sammy for it. It’s weak. Really weak and I’m shocked you’re ok with it for a player of Lyles caliber.

He’s not the only player left either.We can all hate Klutch but: 1) It doesn't appear as if they set out with the aim to screw the Spurs this summer. Happy accident on their part, most likely. 2) They're quickly growing so dealing with them is just the nature of the beast right now.

This isn't a street fight where agents and teams are out to punk each other. It's a business; a dirty one at that, tbh.

And the Spurs getting "punked" because they're "too nice" is just a national media narrative that doesn't have much basis in reality, tbh. That narrative would make sense if the Spurs would have sent Neph to LA or let Morris off the hook right away instead of drawing it out for an extra two days.

Bullock failed his physical and the Knicks were able to flip Morris before he signed the dotted line. Sucks but it's not much deeper than that, tbh.

[EricB]

You do for Morris if the alternative is Lyles.


No, you don’t. You don’t let a player dictate your offseason nor blow alternatives. That’s horrible GMing.

[DPG21920]

I'm not going to shit on PATFO over the dead money part. They're almost certainly going to operate over the cap next summer. Dead money in the summer of 2021 would have sent me up the wall though.

Carroll

[MannyIsGod]

2-yrs/$11M. 2nd year is Not guaranteed. Not bad.

1149503587988340743


Meh its an overpay. Its not the worst thing in the world, but this is just shitty.

[DPG21920]

Is it? Next summer doesn't appear to be the year the Spurs are clearing cap space for, IMO.

We can all hate Klutch but: 1) It doesn't appear as if they set out with the aim to screw the Spurs this summer. Happy accident on their part, most likely. 2) They're quickly growing so dealing with them is just the nature of the beast right now.

This isn't a street fight where agents and teams are out to punk each other. It's a business; a dirty one at that, tbh.

And the Spurs getting "punked" because they're "too nice" is just a national media narrative that doesn't have much basis in reality, tbh. That narrative would make sense if the Spurs would have sent Neph to LA or let Morris off the hook right away instead of drawing it out for an extra two days.

Bullock failed his physical and the Knicks were able to flip Morris before he signed the dotted line. Sucks but it's not much deeper than that, tbh.

SA trades a player on a mistake ??

[EricB]

Carroll

Omg 1 million dollars that can be stretched to nothing. The horror.

[HarlemHeat37]

You dont operate a team by dragging a player through the mud. You operate it like a business but with class.

You signed a center who shoots threes to pretty much a 1 year deal for 5 million. If he’s bad you can buy him out easily or trade his contract. You can’t shun an agency just because their client is a dumbass.

:lmao

Mugen

[Marcus Bryant]

Lol guy bringing up drive byes calling others stupid. Seen it all now.

I'm not the one calling a front office which has won five titles and missed the playoffs last during the 20th century as "nice" and soft and what not. Figure it out.

[timvp]

SA trades a player on a mistake ??

It sucks but if you're the Spurs, you don't boycott Klutch unless you believe they maliciously hurt you on purpose. Do you think that's the case?

[Marcus Bryant]

Lol guy bringing up drive byes calling others stupid. Seen it all now.

I'm not the one calling a front office which has won five titles and missed the playoffs last during the 20th century as "nice" and soft and what not. Figure it out.

[DPG21920]

Omg 1 million dollars that can be stretched to nothing. The horror.

Did I say it was a horror? I said SA didn’t muck up their future so that’s good but that’s not the bar for a good off season. They added a little dead money, lost a player for nothing and did nothing to tangibly improve while getting punked (don’t blame them for Morris , do for Lyles). That’s a C- unless something changes and let’s pray panic signing a bad Klutch player while overpaying them isn’t it

[timtonymanu]

:lmao

Mugen

:lmao

[EricB]

Did I say it was a horror? I said SA didn’t muck up their future so that’s good but that’s not the bar for a good off season. They added a little dead money, lost a player for nothing and did nothing to tangibly improve while getting punked (don’t blame them for Morris , do for Lyles). That’s a C- unless something changes and let’s pray panic signing a bad Klutch player while overpaying them isn’t it


They tangibly improved. You’re just too butt hurt over a player changing his mind to see it. Whatever, your problem.

[timtonymanu]

Omg 1 million dollars that can be stretched to nothing. The horror.

The true horror is seeing you eat at a dinner table.

[Marcus Bryant]

So the great Klutch Konspiracy is that they made the Spurs wait a week to sign Lyles? C'mon.

[DPG21920]

It sucks but if you're the Spurs, you don't boycott Klutch unless you believe they maliciously hurt you on purpose. Do you think that's the case?

Yes I do. But besides the point how on Earth is passing on a player that doesn’t move the needle at all while keeping your money get classified as a boycott?

He sucks and the fact he sucks and happens to be a Klutch client should be more than enough to pass and in no way could be turned as a negative against SA

[Marcus Bryant]

But....the Spurs thought they had Morris and then they didn't. Klutch wins!!11

[MannyIsGod]

On one hand, Klutch seems pretty cancerous the way they handle things. On the other, Lyles wasn't going to be out of the NBA despite what people are saying. Spurs didn't really reward Klutch. Honestly, this shit is on Morris, but the end result is ending up with Lyles instead of Bertans which I definitely think sucks. Ultimately, even if it wasn't their fault, the responsibility not to let shit like that happen lands at PATFO.

I don't think its the end of the world, but I can understand anyone who is pissed.

[MannyIsGod]

On the bright side, at least we didn't trade for Westbrook

[DPG21920]

I'm not the one calling a front office which has won five titles and missed the playoffs last during the 20th century as "nice" and soft and what not. Figure it out.

Lmao you were saying f Klutch like 5 seconds ago lmao. You’re great at using hyperbole. I didn’t knock everything SA has ever done or say they suck. You bringing up drive byes and 5 rings b*tch is you being dumb

[DPG21920]

They tangibly improved. You’re just too butt hurt over a player changing his mind to see it. Whatever, your problem.


Ok

[timvp]

Yes I do.Wow. Okay. If true, it's impressive how they managed to have Bullock sign a fake contract and then fail a physical right when Morris was ready to sign. :tu


But besides the point how on Earth is passing on a player that doesn’t move the needle at all while keeping your money get classified as a boycott?

He sucks and the fact he sucks and happens to be a Klutch client should be more than enough to pass and in no way could be turned as a negative against SAIf you don't sign the player who you believe is the best on the market because you're mad at his agency ... that's a boycott, tbh, if only temporary.

So if the Spurs passed on Lyles in order to prove their "not nice," how long before you'd consider signing another Klutch player? Next summer? Two summers? Never?

[Robz4000]

Grim business tbh.

[DPG21920]

But....the Spurs thought they had Morris and then they didn't. Klutch wins!!11


I saw you rage posting about Klutch and Morris earlier in threads. What changed?

[Robz4000]

On the bright side, at least we didn't trade for Westbrook

:lol thank God that came along to brighten my mood

[Amuseddaysleeper]

They tangibly improved. You’re just too butt hurt over a player changing his mind to see it. Whatever, your problem.

Spurs are still getting left in the dust out west where the top 5-6 teams have all improved. Another first round exit at best.

[EricB]

Spurs are still getting left in the dust out west where the top 5-6 teams have all improved. Another first round exit at best.


Maybe maybe not. They’ve improved offensively and defensively.

[Slippy]

Yes I do. But besides the point how on Earth is passing on a player that doesn’t move the needle at all while keeping your money get classified as a boycott?

He sucks and the fact he sucks and happens to be a Klutch client should be more than enough to pass and in no way could be turned as a negative against SA

Good question unless there.s some under the table shit going on , why didn't spurs pass?

[Robz4000]

Wow. Okay. If true, it's impressive how they managed to have Bullock sign a fake contract and then fail a physical right when Morris was ready to sign. :tu

If you don't sign the player who you believe is the best on the market because you're mad at his agency ... that's a boycott, tbh, if only temporary.

So if the Spurs passed on Lyles in order to prove their "not nice," how long before you'd consider signing another Klutch player? Next summer? Two summers? Never?

If Trey Fucking Lyles is the best player left on the market you just move on tbh. If anything this ends up being a subtraction-by-addition move due to his off-court behavior.

[MannyIsGod]

I think DPG is right on Lyles. I'm not sure he really moves the needle, unless he shows a lot of improvement. Probably something like 3:1 odds he doesn't become an impact player. But I also don't see what else the Spurs were going to do with the MLE and its only a 2 year deal so I don't think you really have an opportunity cost by signing him. What really hurts in all of this is the Bertans trade.

[timvp]

If Trey Fucking Lyles is the best player left on the market you just move on tbh.

Sign nobody or sign the second best player on the market?

[spurs10]

I'm not convinced they are done. Also don't believe they would have signed Lyles if they didn't think he had potential to grow.

[mo7888]

I think DPG is right on Lyles. I'm not sure he really moves the needle, unless he shows a lot of improvement. Probably something like 3:1 odds he doesn't become an impact player. But I also don't see what else the Spurs were going to do with the MLE and its only a 2 year deal so I don't think you really have an opportunity cost by signing him. What really hurts in all of this is the Bertans trade.

And it's really only a 1 year deal if he sucks because year 2 is not guaranteed

[MannyIsGod]

There's a non zero chance that Lyles does become a good player for the Spurs. Its not a high chance, but I can't fault them for using part of the MLE on that chance as nothing else was going to show up that was going to be greater.

[Atl Spur]

I think some you boys might want to see what we can do with Lyles before over bumping your gums�� history is on our side in development department.

[SAGirl]

Was out of the rotation for Denver at the end of the season.

Here’s hoping he reverts to himself from 2 seasons ago at least. He flashed some potential then, plus was really young so one didn’t think he would stall or regress. There’s some hope for redemption for him, but he also could suck badly.

He might make miss a couple of forwards the Spurs used to have. ... Hoping for the best though.

[spurraider21]

So the great Klutch Konspiracy is that they made the Spurs wait a week to sign Lyles? C'mon.
klutch

1) got morris paid

2) got lyles paid because the spurs ended up with their dick in their hands and 9 mil of recently freed up MLE cash (how convenient, after leveraging them to trade bertans exactly to make that happen)

i can see it... dont believe it though

[DPG21920]

Maybe maybe not. They’ve improved offensively and defensively.

What? Adding Carroll while losing Bertans, while I am good with that, is not something you can logically point to as a real improvement. I like the Carroll signing, but it’s not adding someone who lifts the ceiling.

The improvement still relies 99% on the Murray/White/Lonnie combo but that was already on the team; SA didnt do anything to raise the ceiling that they already didn’t have. Like I said, they only *slightly harmed the future (more about principle then legit damage with dead money and being so carefree with it - no matter the year) but mostly just....did nothing.

I don’t blame them for Morris; but they absolutely did not have to sign, let alone over pay, a bad player (regardless of Klutch).

[Atl Spur]

Bertans was never projected to be anything special but still ended up being a cult legend here.

[timvp]

I'm not a big Lyles fan but you can only use the MLE to sign free agents and the pickings were really slim. After Lyles, there's literally not another stretch forward on the market worth more than a minimum deal. Lyles isn't particularly amazing but he's a lot better than Jerebko, Leuer, Cunningham, etc.

[Robz4000]

Sign nobody or sign the second best player on the market?

:lol now he's the second best player on the market? Regardless, you don't waste $6mil+ on a player that adds, at best, nothing to the roster and at worst causes locker room problems or butts heads with the coaching staff. I also agree with DPG that the fact he's affiliated with Klutch should've been the final nail in the coffin.

[MannyIsGod]

Was out of the rotation for Denver at the end of the season.

Here’s hoping he reverts to himself from 2 seasons ago at least. He flashed some potential then, plus was really young so one didn’t think he would stall or regress. There’s some hope for redemption for him, but he also could suck badly.

He might make miss a couple of forwards the Spurs used to have. ... Hoping for the best though.

Sean Elliott? Davis Bertans? Keith Bogans? Cause no matter what Lyles does, no one here except you will miss Kyle.

[DPG21920]

Wow. Okay. If true, it's impressive how they managed to have Bullock sign a fake contract and then fail a physical right when Morris was ready to sign.

My friend, I feel like I am taking crazy pills. I am not saying that it was some master plan in the works for a year or something. I am saying I think they knew about the Knicks issues and that even when giving SA their word knowing it would take a trade, they already knew something COULD be in the works with the Knicks...and gave SA their word to execute a trade anyways.

They shouldn’t have even been taking calls once SA made that trade. Point blank. If it were just the money fine, but there as a trade of a valuable player and it’s on Klutch to eat that shit Sammy, not SA at that point. That’s what I am saying.


If you don't sign the player who you believe is the best on the market because you're mad at his agency ... that's a boycott, tbh, if only temporary.

So if the Spurs passed on Lyles in order to prove their "not nice," how long before you'd consider signing another Klutch player? Next summer? Two summers? Never?

If SA truly thinks Lyles whom no one else evidently wanted is the best player on the market or even comparable to Morris then that is an issue by itself. Sure, if you want to get technical and call it a boycott fine. But there is nothing wrong with boycotting a player/agency in this instance when it’s not a good player and where there is more than enough shield to where it couldn’t even be argued as a boycott with a simple lie/tall tale.

I understand Klutch is here to stay and I would deal with them if it was for a difference maker. But I’m not overpaying one of their clients who sucks at basketball no matter what and especially after this bull shit.

If anything, Klutch should have offered up Lyles for the min if they were truly sorry about this bullshit mistake. So the guys that brokered and colluded AD to LA made a mistake like this :lmao. Ok.

[timvp]

:lol now he's the second best player on the market?

?

:lol

[Slippy]

klutch

1) got morris paid

2) got lyles paid because the spurs ended up with their dick in their hands and 9 mil of recently freed up MLE cash (how convenient, after leveraging them to trade bertans exactly to make that happen)

i can see it... dont believe it though

that's why im contemplating some wink wink deals going on. Spurs are Klutches best customer for business when you look at like this. lol

[slick'81]

There's a non zero chance that Lyles does become a good player for the Spurs. Its not a high chance, but I can't fault them for using part of the MLE on that chance as nothing else was going to show up that was going to be greater.


Obviously spurs hope he can be a rotation piece

[BackHome]

Lyles sucks he is Errors 2.2

[slick'81]

klutch

1) got morris paid

2) got lyles paid because the spurs ended up with their dick in their hands and 9 mil of recently freed up MLE cash (how convenient, after leveraging them to trade bertans exactly to make that happen)

i can see it... dont believe it though


Yea i mean thats some chess moves tbh all just to screw the spurs overr for lebron and co

[DPG21920]

Sign nobody or sign the second best player on the market?


Yes unless you are 100% sure there will be no one bought out this season that could reasonably be better than Lyles. Keep all your money, don’t take on dead money (what if DeRozan opts out? LmA gets injured badly? Then next year cap space is meaningful)

[Marcus Bryant]

klutch

1) got morris paid

2) got lyles paid because the spurs ended up with their dick in their hands and 9 mil of recently freed up MLE cash (how convenient, after leveraging them to trade bertans exactly to make that happen)

i can see it... dont believe it though

So they would've signed Lyles earlier if the Knicks hadn't gone with Bullock first. Big deal.

[mo7888]

Yes unless you are 100% sure there will be no one bought out this season that could reasonably be better than Lyles. Keep all your money, don’t take on dead money (what if DeRozan opts out? LmA gets injured badly? Then next year cap space is meaningful)

I still don't see where give up any cap space next year. Tbe only report I've seen on salary is from Jabari and its 11 over 2 with the 2nd year non guaranteed. If theres a report to the contrary please point me to it

[MannyIsGod]

Yes unless you are 100% sure there will be no one bought out this season that could reasonably be better than Lyles. Keep all your money, don’t take on dead money (what if DeRozan opts out? LmA gets injured badly? Then next year cap space is meaningful)

There's no one worth signing next year so I don't see the dead money issue. Also, I don't agree with your 100% mark. Keeping the MLE open is in and of itself also a gamble as no one may come along. You have to weigh the odds of someone coming along that you 1) want to sign and fits the team and 2) wants to sign with you over other WC teams. Money is not likely to be a deciding factor there for a lot of ring chasers so I'm not sure the full MLE is moving the needle all that much over than having part of it left.

So whatever that chance is, you ahve to weight it against what the chance is that Lyles turns into a rotation player for you. I don't think either is very high.

[DPG21920]

I still don't see where give up any cap space next year. Tbe only report I've seen on salary is from Jabari and its 11 over 2 with the 2nd year non guaranteed. If theres a report to the contrary please point me to it

I dont need to point you to anything, Jabari already said 2nd year is PARTIALLY GUARANTEED. There is money on year 2 no matter what. Just dont know how much.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whmboad-QtE

[mo7888]

I dont need to point you to anything, Jabari already said 2nd year is PARTIALLY GUARANTEED. There is money on year 2 no matter what. Just dont know how much.

Jabari tweeted the contract was 11 over 2 and didn't mention anything else. The first question was '2nd year guaranteed? '.... jabari responds... No

[Atl Spur]

Klutch isn’t the first or last. Quit being bitter dudes and act like you got some nuts in here! He said no so we move on; not sit around bitching about Klutch or Morris. Bertans got punked all playoffs long and everyone outside of White was a damn traffic cone; if no one else will say it I will..... we got better this off season. Add another defensive three and we will be in business.

[cutewizard]

at least he can hit the three

[Budkin]

somewhere in SD Kawhi Leonard is having a big smile, one more proof for how much this place is a mess and PATFO lost it, hope nobody anymore is going to keep blaming Kawhi for wanting out of here!

Nope.

[FkLA]

Would've preferred if the Spurs just got super aggressive to find a trade for a true Morris replacement instead.

This signing just feels like it's a "welp we got dealt a bad hand, this is as good as we can do now".

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8abLirnWHc

[timvp]

My friend, I feel like I am taking crazy pills. I am not saying that it was some master plan in the works for a year or something. I am saying I think they knew about the Knicks issuesI mean, it's technically possible but I don't think Klutch knew Bullock would fail his physical before he took a physical.

Shady agency, as we all know. Not above collusion, as we all know. But: 1) They're only getting more powerful. 2) It's unlikely they orchestrated the whole thing to screw the Spurs.

It's fair to say they should have pressured Morris to stick to his verbal agreement ... but everyone already knows Klutch is cutthroat.


If SA truly thinks Lyles whom no one else evidently wanted is the best player on the market or even comparable to Morris then that is an issue by itself. Sure, if you want to get technical and call it a boycott fine. But there is nothing wrong with boycotting a player/agency in this instance when it’s not a good player

I'm all for being weary of Klutch (they'd be dumb not to be) but when you want a stretch forward and there's only one on the market worth more than a minimum contract, that's an annoyingly impossible situation. Either boycott and re-sign Cunningham or swallow your pride and ink the one stretch forward still up for grabs.

Whole situation sucks, I agree. But I don't think boycotting Klutch is a good short-term or long-term answer, IMO.

[Mr. Body]

at least he can hit the three

Yeah. It just takes four hoists you make each one.

[DPG21920]

There's no one worth signing next year so I don't see the dead money issue. Also, I don't agree with your 100% mark. Keeping the MLE open is in and of itself also a gamble as no one may come along. You have to weigh the odds of someone coming along that you 1) want to sign and fits the team and 2) wants to sign with you over other WC teams. Money is not likely to be a deciding factor there for a lot of ring chasers so I'm not sure the full MLE is moving the needle all that much over than having part of it left.

So whatever that chance is, you ahve to weight it against what the chance is that Lyles turns into a rotation player for you. I don't think either is very high.

Hey, if SA really like Lyles then so be it. Hopefully he makes the leap and I am dead wrong. But regardless, the dead money does matter. As I said, what if LMA gets injured badly and now SA should waive him and get clear of 75% of his salary? What if DeRozan opts out after no extension is offered? Then it starts to matter and that is not a stretch at all.

Even if it means “losing” out I think it’s a bad PR move to sign a Klutch player like this. It would be one thing if it was a legit starter and clear cut improvement. Fine, do business with the devil if you HAVE to. For Murray, you HAVE to. For quality players like Bron or Draymond, you HAVE to.

For Lyles? The team would not be any worse off without Lyles, might not be better but wont be worse off. Maybe I am old fashioned but you can’t just let people dump on you for no reason - would be one thing too if Klutch had some squeaky clean reputation but they don’t. Them even taking the Knicks call after making SA Trade Bertans is beyond appalling

[Russ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whmboad-QtE

His highlight reel makes me feel better than than that Morris guy.

[DPG21920]

Jabari tweeted the contract was 11 over 2 and didn't mention anything else. The first question was '2nd year guaranteed? '.... jabari responds... No

Look further its in this thread tbh

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJxp46V1Do

[slick'81]

Would've preferred if the Spurs just got super aggressive to find a trade for a true Morris replacement instead.

This signing just feels like it's a "welp we got dealt a bad hand, this is as good as we can do now".

thats exactly what it is

[spurs10]

If SA truly thinks Lyles whom no one else evidently wanted is the best player on the market or even comparable to Morris then that is an issue by itself. Sure, if you want to get technical and call it a boycott fine. But there is nothing wrong with boycotting a player/agency in this instance when it’s not a good player and where there is more than enough shield to where it couldn’t even be argued as a boycott with a simple lie/tall tale.

I understand Klutch is here to stay and I would deal with them if it was for a difference maker. But I’m not overpaying one of their clients who sucks at basketball no matter what and especially after this bull shit.

I'd like to think the Spurs might think last year's slump was an anomaly. The year before his #'s looked very comparable to Morris' perhaps better. Now I'm just going by the stats timvp posted and know nothing bout him.

[slick'81]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJxp46V1Do


Finally! All is right in the world

[MannyIsGod]

Hey, if SA really like Lyles then so be it. Hopefully he makes the leap and I am dead wrong. But regardless, the dead money does matter. As I said, what if LMA gets injured badly and now SA should waive him and get clear of 75% of his salary? What if DeRozan opts out after no extension is offered? Then it starts to matter and that is not a stretch at all.

Even if it means “losing” out I think it’s a bad PR move to sign a Klutch player like this. It would be one thing if it was a legit starter and clear cut improvement. Fine, do business with the devil if you HAVE to. For Murray, you HAVE to. For quality players like Bron or Draymond, you HAVE to.

For Lyles? The team would not be any worse off without Lyles, might not be better but wont be worse off. Maybe I am old fashioned but you can’t just let people dump on you for no reason - would be one thing too if Klutch had some squeaky clean reputation but they don’t. Them even taking the Knicks call after making SA Trade Bertans is beyond appalling


I don't think you hae to be super high on Lyles and still have signing him be the right move. If LMA gets injured we're just fucked. Thats pretty much the bottom line. Well unless the Small 3 take a big leap this year.

I don't know. I don't think the signing is any worse than keeping the MLE. I don't think its any better, either. Its pretty fucking Meh. Hopefully Lyles proves us wrong.

[Marcus Bryant]

Primary way the Spurs improve is through the development of Murray, White, and Walker. Naturally all 3 are Spur draft picks. Morris was the obvious free agent target and they had an agreement before they didn't. Are they supposed to sue him now? Dump Murray for nothing to get back at his agent because that'll really show them who's boss? As for Lyles, meh. If you're worked up about Trey Lyles, close the laptop. You need to be done for the day.

[Robz4000]

Shit, can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Cunningham back than Lyles. Especially if it's for the minimum vs the MLE (whole or partial).

[DPG21920]

Would've preferred if the Spurs just got super aggressive to find a trade for a true Morris replacement instead.

This signing just feels like it's a "welp we got dealt a bad hand, this is as good as we can do now".

Exactly. People acting like signing Lyles was the only thing they could do. Not giving up youth or picks when you got Morris made sense. They were able to really improve the team without needing to be too aggressive via trade.

But once they lost Bertans and Morris? The option was not overpay a bad player; it was fire up the aggression and start making trades for a Morris-like player you know raises the ceiling.

Not just “aw shucks” it. I, even with Morris signed, wanted SA to push and make moves so it’s not just a reaction to this. The Lyles thing was just a bad move all around. It can be salvaged if SA pulls off a legit trade which they need to be heavily pursuing (and I think they are, but I have lost confidence with this Lyles move).

[cutewizard]

we've got ourselves a 6-10 bomber! hehehe

[mexicanjunior]

Lyles is trash and this is a lottery team...

[Marcus Bryant]

Would've preferred if the Spurs just got super aggressive to find a trade for a true Morris replacement instead.

This signing just feels like it's a "welp we got dealt a bad hand, this is as good as we can do now".

Does this preclude any trade(s)?

[DPG21920]

I don't think you hae to be super high on Lyles and still have signing him be the right move. If LMA gets injured we're just fucked. Thats pretty much the bottom line. Well unless the Small 3 take a big leap this year.

I don't know. I don't think the signing is any worse than keeping the MLE. I don't think its any better, either. Its pretty fucking Meh. Hopefully Lyles proves us wrong.

No I get that; cant control everything this year. Was talking about why being so cavalier like SA has with dead money is not something to just ignore. If Lma gets injured this year we are screwed this year, but no reason to even put anything on the books for a non-difference maker past one year. Just no excuse IMO even if it’s not a “big” deal.

[slick'81]

Shit, can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Cunningham back than Lyles. Especially if it's for the minimum vs the MLE (whole or partial).


Dont you dare rob:lol

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

I mean, it's technically possible but I don't think Klutch knew Bullock would fail his physical b noefore he took a physical.

Shady agency, as we all know. Not above collusion, as we all know. But: 1) They're only getting more powerful. 2) It's unlikely they orchestrated the whole thing to screw the Spurs.

It's fair to say they should have pressured Morris to stick to his verbal agreement ... but everyone already knows Klutch is cutthroat.



I'm all for being weary of Klutch (they'd be dumb not to be) but when you want a stretch forward and there's only one on the market worth more than a minimum contract, that's an annoyingly impossible situation. Either boycott and re-sign Cunningham or swallow your pride and ink the one stretch forward still up for grabs.

Whole situation sucks, I agree. But I don't think boycotting Klutch is a good short-term or long-term answer, IMO. Cunningham, Lyle's does it make a difference?

[MannyIsGod]

No I get that; cant control everything this year. Was talking about why being so cavalier like SA has with dead money is not something to just ignore. If Lma gets injured this year we are screwed this year, but no reason to even put anything on the books for a non-difference maker past one year. Just no excuse IMO even if it’s not a “big” deal.

Thats fair.

[timvp]

Shit, can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Cunningham back than Lyles. Especially if it's for the minimum vs the MLE (whole or partial).

https://i.imgur.com/nyYmAKX.jpg

[DPG21920]

I mean, it's technically possible but I don't think Klutch knew Bullock would fail his physical before he took a physical.

Shady agency, as we all know. Not above collusion, as we all know. But: 1) They're only getting more powerful. 2) It's unlikely they orchestrated the whole thing to screw the Spurs.

It's fair to say they should have pressured Morris to stick to his verbal agreement ... but everyone already knows Klutch is cutthroat.



I'm all for being weary of Klutch (they'd be dumb not to be) but when you want a stretch forward and there's only one on the market worth more than a minimum contract, that's an annoyingly impossible situation. Either boycott and re-sign Cunningham or swallow your pride and ink the one stretch forward still up for grabs.

Whole situation sucks, I agree. But I don't think boycotting Klutch is a good short-term or long-term answer, IMO.

I am fine with not boycotting them. To me boycotting means everything is cut off. That’s not what I am saying should have happened. I am saying you only deal with them or show interest in clients that mean something. Today, next year or beyond.

You are under no obligation to pay bad players in their stable is what I am saying and that is not a boycott to stay away from bad players tied to them.

[MannyIsGod]

The one good thing about having a contract with partially guarnteed money in year 2 is that if they sit on it and decide to make a move after December it becomes a good piece for salary matching.

[cutewizard]

If he can teach the young Jedi, Luka S some new tricks, then that's fine by me, lol

hahahahahahaha

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Exactly. People acting like signing Lyles was the only thing they could do. Not giving up youth or picks when you got Morris made sense. They were able to really improve the team without needing to be too aggressive via trade.

But once they lost Bertans and Morris? The option was not overpay a bad player; it was fire up the aggression and start making trades for a Morris-like player you know raises the ceiling.

Not just “aw shucks” it. I, even with Morris signed, wanted SA to push and make moves so it’s not just a reaction to this. The Lyles thing was just a bad move all around. It can be salvaged if SA pulls off a legit trade which they need to be heavily pursuing (and I think they are, but I have lost confidence with this Lyles move).Who do the Spurs trade to aquire such player?

[MannyIsGod]

Shit, can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Cunningham back than Lyles. Especially if it's for the minimum vs the MLE (whole or partial).

Ha, nah. I'd rather have Lyles. At least he has potential to be something useful even if its low. Cunningham is just the kind of player Pop can't help himself with at times.

[spurs10]

Would've preferred if the Spurs just got super aggressive to find a trade for a true Morris replacement instead.

This signing just feels like it's a "welp we got dealt a bad hand, this is as good as we can do now". I'm thinking that's on. this was more bout the MLE and having to spend it on a FA.

[cutewizard]

SPURS WILL WIN THE 2020 NBA TITLE!

bbbbbbbbbboooooooooooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkk it

[Mugen]

My man DPG21920. It's like when Sting joined NWO, come on over brotha :lol

[DPG21920]

Primary way the Spurs improve is through the development of Murray, White, and Walker. Naturally all 3 are Spur draft picks. Morris was the obvious free agent target and they had an agreement before they didn't. Are they supposed to sue him now? Dump Murray for nothing to get back at his agent because that'll really show them who's boss? As for Lyles, meh. If you're worked up about Trey Lyles, close the laptop. You need to be done for the day.

I think it’s fair to say that anyone questioning why someone would give SA a C- for the offseason also needs to look at things. I agree the jump and best shot for big improvement is from within and have said so all Summer. I even love the youth and Im confident they will leap.

Having said that though, if evaluating the results of the off season, SA didn’t do anything really to help their young guys out and I feel they should have been extra aggressive in the trade market after Morris fell through. Lyles feels like a white flag to the off season.

I had them at a C- with the initial grade and bumped them to an A with Morris. Now that it’s Lyles instead of Morris it’s back to a C- and I think that is fair.

Hopefully they are not done and trades are coming because they need to. Not saying dump the young guys for nothing but try to get a difference maker with picks and non core players.

[slick'81]

My man DPG21920 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13014). It's like when Sting joined NWO, come on over brotha :lol


Dont you mean hogan

[Robz4000]

https://i.imgur.com/nyYmAKX.jpg


Ha, nah. I'd rather have Lyles. At least he has potential to be something useful even if its low. Cunningham is just the kind of player Pop can't help himself with at times.

:lol

[EricB]

What? Adding Carroll while losing Bertans, while I am good with that, is not something you can logically point to as a real improvement. I like the Carroll signing, but it’s not adding someone who lifts the ceiling.

The improvement still relies 99% on the Murray/White/Lonnie combo but that was already on the team; SA didnt do anything to raise the ceiling that they already didn’t have. Like I said, they only *slightly harmed the future (more about principle then legit damage with dead money and being so carefree with it - no matter the year) but mostly just....did nothing.

I don’t blame them for Morris; but they absolutely did not have to sign, let alone over pay, a bad player (regardless of Klutch).


youre wrong but ok.

[DPG21920]

Who do the Spurs trade to aquire such player?


First round picks are pretty damn valuable and SA has a ton of promising youth already. I dont want to just give up picks for nothing, but if you can get a legit starting level player to raise the ceiling? You use expiring, non-core contracts plus a few future picks.

[RD2191]

My man DPG21920. It's like when Sting joined NWO, come on over brotha :lol

DPG is like 5"5 though, more like the LWO tbh

[spurraider21]

So they would've signed Lyles earlier if the Knicks hadn't gone with Bullock first. Big deal.
they wouldn't have signed lyles if they still had bertans

[Mugen]

It happens to every great tbh....the only one that's managed to avoid extinction is Jerry West and he's been able to do it by staying within California...being able to do it so long, in frankly a non-sexy military city in the middle of Texas, is really, really amazing....no doubt about that....

But it happened to Sloan, happened to Riley, happened to Phil, and now it's happening to Pop/RC...no shame in it tbh.....

It's a land of wolves now, and they're not wolves.

[DPG21920]

My man DPG21920. It's like when Sting joined NWO, come on over brotha :lol


:lol Damn near broke me with this Klutch garbage. Im not mad at SA for Morris; it’s just terrible business and hate seeing them get rewarded. SA is willing to burn every bridge with LA (whom Klutch controls) but not over Lyles :lol?

But I am happy they didn’t royally screw up their future timeline and was thrilled with Morris/Carroll. Now? They need to do some more work to give this team a reasonable shot at doing something in the playoffs.

[FkLA]

Fuck man, just a couple days ago when Mo posted the Belli trade rumor we were fantasizing about guys like RoCo to add to Carroll and Morris. Today we're having discussions about whether Trey fucking Lyles is a good signing. What an awful turn of events.

:depressed

[slick'81]

they wouldn't have signed lyles if they still had bertans


This is true

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whmboad-QtE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRAkdNUsSEo

[DPG21920]

youre wrong but ok.


You think Carroll + Lyles - Bertans = a tangible improvement? Like, move the needle in a meaningful way improvement? I’m not saying they ruined the team :lol and I usually get called out for defending Pop/RC too much but even I can’t say this team has “improved”.

And for the 100th time when I say improved I mean adding to what was already on the team; yes I think the team will be better than last year because Murray/White/Lonnie. But that was already there and SA had a chance to really add to the team.

[Gordy58]

Man Lyles still has so much potential if he can put it all together. He’s a huge mismatch on the court. His vision is solid too. Let’s see what a year in the system with Pop and company does to him. Low risk really high reward.

With that being said.... I really hope PATFO is still working on possible trade scenarios for guys like Iggy, RoCo, Marvin Williams

[FkLA]

DPG is like 5"5 though, more like the LWO tbh

DPG Mysterio Jr tbh

[SAGirl]

God damn what shitty news and why sign this scrub just go into the season and maybe a decent player gets dumped. We got another fucking Erorrs on this team ................:pctoss
He at least rebounds better than errors/has better hands.

[timvp]

Fuck man, just a couple days ago when Mo posted the Belli trade rumor we were fantasizing about guys like RoCo to add to Carroll and Morris. Today we're having discussions about whether Trey fucking Lyles is a good signing. What an awful turn of events.

:depressed

:depressed, tbh.

[DPG21920]

DPG is like 5"5 though, more like the LWO tbh

You’re Bieber and I am Tom Cruise and you don’t want that smoke, catch these hands, etc.. per par

[SAGirl]

Sean Elliott? Davis Bertans? Keith Bogans? Cause no matter what Lyles does, no one here except you will miss Kyle.
He’s been mentioned around. I mostly have moved on but hoping Lyles doesn’t make me regress tbh. I wasn’t even a Bertans fan and he’s better too.

As I said, maybe he can shoot better than last season at least. Or he might go the way of Joffrey Lauvergne

[Mugen]

Look, I'll give them credit for the Morris attempt, outside the box....but when that went south, you don't go and sign Lyles.

It's like Rich Paul sold them a fake Michael Jordan jersey. As soon as they found out, they went ahead and paid double for a fake Tom Gugliotta jersey :lol

[spurraider21]

I'd rather have Cunningham back than
that's not a thing

[DPG21920]

I think I would have rather had Singleton tbh....

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

It happens to every great tbh....the only one that's managed to avoid extinction is Jerry West and he's been able to do it by staying within California...being able to do it so long, in frankly a non-sexy military city in the middle of Texas, is really, really amazing....no doubt about that....

But it happened to Sloan, happened to Riley, happened to Phil, and now it's happening to Pop/RC...no shame in it tbh.....

It's a land of wolves now, and they're not wolves. They're jackrabbits

[EricB]

Shit, can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Cunningham back than Lyles. Especially if it's for the minimum vs the MLE (whole or partial).

God that’s just, no.

[spurraider21]

Look, I'll give them credit for the Morris attempt, outside the box....but when that went south, you don't go and sign Lyles.

It's like Rich Paul sold them a fake Michael Jordan jersey. As soon as they found out, they went ahead and paid double for a fake Tom Gugliotta jersey :lol
yeah its pretty embarrassing to go right back to the klutch well and get their sloppy seconds...

im tellin you, they're just tryin to keep a good relationship for IB

[K...]

So much meltdown. Weirdos.


This isn't a c off-season. The Spurs are grades on a curve. They traded a limited role player with a veteran semi starter and lost our on a versatile forward. For a small market team to be any good contracts is above a passing grade.


Lyle's not an overpay if it's dead money, meaning doesn't affect cap this year. We lost some synergy depth with Morris decomitting and had to settle for low upside depth. Not a big loss.

[Atl Spur]

Man Lyles still has so much potential if he can put it all together. He’s a huge mismatch on the court. His vision is solid too. Let’s see what a year in the system with Pop and company does to him. Low risk really high reward.

With that being said.... I really hope PATFO is still working on possible trade scenarios for guys like Iggy, RoCo, Marvin Williams

Sir, please stop speaking sensible; a lot of these dudes just want to bitch.

[EricB]

they wouldn't have signed lyles if they still had bertans

Bertans wasn’t going to be on the team next year. This isn’t hard.

[Robz4000]

that's not a thing


God that’s just, no.

Might be a bit extreme, but Lyles is bad news imo. Headcase like the Morris twins with nowhere near the basketball ability.

[K...]

yeah its pretty embarrassing to go right back to the klutch well and get their sloppy seconds...

im tellin you, they're just tryin to keep a good relationship for IB

There's clutch, and there's also a player. You pay for the player not klutch. Your can take it klutch all your want in the next cba contracts.

[DPG21920]

Im surprised that Murray, especially now that it’s come out that “it was Rich Paul’s fault”, does not change reps.

He’s been all Spurs all the way and it can’t sit well with them that his own agency screwed his team out of improving in a major way by both making SA trade Bertans and not having Morris honor his agreement.

I think it would have to be hard to just sit back and say “this is all good”

[DPG21920]

Bertans wasn’t going to be on the team next year. This isn’t hard.


But I would rather have Carroll for MLE on two years with no 3rd year dead money and Bertans to trade away vs Lyles.

[Collins21]

He’s been mentioned around. I mostly have moved on but hoping Lyles doesn’t make me regress tbh. I wasn’t even a Bertans fan and he’s better too.

As I said, maybe he can shoot better than last season at least. Or he might go the way of Joffrey Lauvergne

Bertans stinks dude sucked after the All Star break and was the worse player on the team in the playoffs.

[Mugen]

yeah its pretty embarrassing to go right back to the klutch well and get their sloppy seconds...

im tellin you, they're just tryin to keep a good relationship for IB

They're going to re-sign IB to near the max. And I set the o/u on exactly a year before they request a trade to NY and tank his value. Three years left on the contract, doesn't matter when Klutch yields that much power in the league...

Their big guns are on the coasts, the Trey Lyles and Nerlens Noels are in middle america, there's a pattern tbh...

[Atl Spur]

It happens to every great tbh....the only one that's managed to avoid extinction is Jerry West and he's been able to do it by staying within California...being able to do it so long, in frankly a non-sexy military city in the middle of Texas, is really, really amazing....no doubt about that....

But it happened to Sloan, happened to Riley, happened to Phil, and now it's happening to Pop/RC...no shame in it tbh.....

It's a land of wolves now, and they're not wolves.

Yo, you’re funny��. You’ll be d*ck riding as soon as we get going! I’ll be keeping an eye out for you��

[Robz4000]

Im surprised that Murray, especially now that it’s come out that “it was Rich Paul’s fault”, does not change reps.

He’s been all Spurs all the way and it can’t sit well with them that his own agency screwed his team out of improving in a major way by both making SA trade Bertans and not having Morris honor his agreement.

I think it would have to be hard to just sit back and say “this is all good”

It's been said, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he were moved tbh. Not just because of this fiasco (gonna cost too much while not showing enough improvement, glut of guards to pay, etc) but it'll play a part.

[spurraider21]

Bertans wasn’t going to be on the team next year. This isn’t hard.
neither will lyles. and again, we would not have signed lyles this summer if bertans was still on the payroll.

klutch maneuvered to have us ditch bertans... with lyles the only piece to take his place after morris conveniently found a better deal right after inducing the bertans trade

at least that would be the theory

[SAGirl]

I hope for the best here and the development work is put in and Lyles turns into a serviceable player but then someone compares him to Ayers and I have flashbacks.
Ayers had horrible hand/eye coordination. I think Lyles can catch a basketball better.

Other than that. We will have to see.

[Mugen]

Im surprised that Murray, especially now that it’s come out that “it was Rich Paul’s fault”, does not change reps.

He’s been all Spurs all the way and it can’t sit well with them that his own agency screwed his team out of improving in a major way by both making SA trade Bertans and not having Morris honor his agreement.

I think it would have to be hard to just sit back and say “this is all good”

You're giving Dejounte way, waaaaaaaaaaay too much credit tbh.

[SAGirl]

Bertans stinks dude sucked after the All Star break and was the worse player on the team in the playoffs.
If it’s possible to believe Lyles had a worse season. Hopefully he bounces back though. Has to have a sense of urgency for his career at this point.

[EricB]

But I would rather have Carroll for MLE on two years with no 3rd year dead money and Bertans to trade away vs Lyles.


id rather have 500 million dollars and no bills.

[Mugen]

Just announce the Derozan extension and end me fam.

[DPG21920]

id rather have 500 million dollars and no bills.

You aren’t that far from that tbh..

[Robz4000]

They're going to re-sign IB to near the max. And I set the o/u on exactly a year before they request a trade to NY and tank his value. Three years left on the contract, doesn't matter when Klutch yields that much power in the league...

Their big guns are on the coasts, the Trey Lyles and Nerlens Noels are in middle america, there's a pattern tbh...

Still a decent chance Murray ends up being another Nerlens Noel rather than a big gun tbh.

[Robz4000]

Just announce the Derozan extension and end me fam.

Right after they'll announce the next Fatty loyalty contract for $60mil.

[EricB]

neither will lyles. and again, we would not have signed lyles this summer if bertans was still on the payroll.

klutch maneuvered to have us ditch bertans... with lyles the only piece to take his place after morris conveniently found a better deal right after inducing the bertans trade

at least that would be the theory


Fox Mulder thinks you need to see a shrink

[Mugen]

Still a decent chance Murray ends up being another Nerlens Noel rather than a big gun tbh.

I'd trade him before October if the right offer came along tbh.

[Holden_Caulfield]

lol lyles the fuck. might as well sign dragan bender at least hes 7 feet tall and only 21 years old

[NASpurs]

Just announce the Derozan extension and end me fam.

:lol

[RD2191]

You’re Bieber and I am Tom Cruise and you don’t want that smoke, catch these hands, etc.. per par

:lmao

[Arcadian]

I'll take the younger guy, tbh.

If you would shit on the Spurs for always signing guys past their prime, then don't complain about this signing.

[alpha_HaZE]

https://www.spurstalk.com/trey-lyles-justin-holiday-spurs-sign-marcus-morris-plan-b/

The Lyles of two years ago put up the same per-possessions stats as Morris did last season.

https://www.spurstalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/trey-lyles-spurs.jpg

Lyles couldn't hit a shot last year but the potential is there for him to eventually be better than Morris. Though, obviously, the 2019-20 Spurs take a hit with this news.

I was here to post just that :)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=ipJjb

Lyles from two years ago compares very favourably to MM and Bertans, per 36 min; he scores the most points; gets the most rebounds; fouls the least; steals, assists, and blocks shots the most, and has the highest win share per 48 minutes.

So, I couldn't agree more with your post. If Trey Lyles is willing to put in the work, he has the potential to be the best of the three.

But hey, Samanic already looks better than Bertans :)

[cd021]

Yea. Something like $1-2M I read. But whats the cap hold for that year? I think the full $7M that year. Eats possible important cao space in a really pivotal year for the Spurs. Hope Carroll can playout the contract with benefit to the Spurs.

I assume the Spurs are going for a reset after next season (20-21). So Carroll probably is just going to be waived. The cap will be at $118 million so $1.8 million is a drop in the bucket. Spurs should have 4 or 5 rookie scale players on roster, as well as White, Murray and Poeltl on reasonable extensions. That should give then plenty of cap space to build around Walker, White, Murray and Poeltl, K.J and Samanic.

[DPG21920]

Would you rather not have Holiday over him? Is the gap there big enough to help Klutch?

[timvp]

Would you rather not have Holiday over him? Is the gap there big enough to help Klutch?

Morris was going to start at the 4. Lyles can play 4, Holiday can't.

I wouldn't mind Holiday as a Belinelli replacement, though, tbh.

[raybies]

But I would rather have Carroll for MLE on two years with no 3rd year dead money and Bertans to trade away vs Lyles.
I don’t know why people still don’t understand the contract... it’s basically the same deal as the two year. If the spurs need the space they can wave him. It’s like 7 mil, 6.5 mil, and 1.5 mil guaranteed. It’s basically the same deal.

[raybies]

But I would rather have Carroll for MLE on two years with no 3rd year dead money and Bertans to trade away vs Lyles.
I don’t know why people still don’t understand the contract... it’s basically the same deal as the two year. If the spurs need the space they can wave him. It’s like 7 mil, 6.5 mil, and 1.5 mil guaranteed. It’s basically the same deal.

[DPG21920]

Morris was going to start at the 4. Lyles can play 4, Holiday can't.

I wouldn't mind Holiday as a Belinelli replacement, though, tbh.

Sure, but I am talking BPA here. Which if you lose Morris, you dont just sign a terrible down grade in talent because you want the position. Maybe you do, I dont know.

[DPG21920]

I don’t know why people still don’t understand the contract... it’s basically the same deal as the two year. If the spurs need the space they can wave him. It’s like 7 mil, 6.5 mil, and 1.5 mil guaranteed. It’s basically the same deal.

You can pretend that dead money is no big deal and it may end up not being. But I don’t understand being dismissive of it.

[raybies]

You can pretend that dead money is no big deal and it may end up not being. But I don’t understand being dismissive of it.
Bruh cause In 2021 basically everyone is off the books. And even if we did convince anyone we’d have the money for them. It’s no big deal. We are not talking a sizable chunk here. It’s 1.5 mil with a continuing rising cap. We are talking less than 1% here. You are overreacting.

[DPG21920]

Bruh cause In 2021 basically everyone is off the books. And even if we did convince anyone we’d have the money for them. It’s no big deal. We are not talking a sizable chunk here. It’s 1.5 mil with a continuing rising cap. We are talking less than 1% here. You are overreacting.

You know how many times even a little dead money has thrown a wrench in things? Plenty. I am not saying the sky is falling because of it. I am saying I don’t like the practice of SA treating it like some non-issue. It’s just not optimal.

You are talking to me like I dont sit here and explain the salary cap to most people

[spurraider21]

Would you rather not have Holiday over him? Is the gap there big enough to help Klutch?


Morris was going to start at the 4. Lyles can play 4, Holiday can't.

I wouldn't mind Holiday as a Belinelli replacement, though, tbh.
i think more specifically, lyles is replacing bertans. morris was a different situation that would have justified adjusting the starting lineup (having LMA be the permanent 5). with the current roster, i think the poodle/LMA starting front is more likely. carroll isn't a talent like morris that you make room for.

holiday/bullock would have made sense to replace marco, but i dont necessarily see the point in making that switch.

[DPG21920]

I just dont like the standing still when the situation calls for action. It’s not over, but SA is on the “prove it” mode now vs the “trust it” mode after the past few years and what they have done (Pau, Mills, DeRozan).

Pick a direction; if you are good “just” being a playoff team, you can do that without DeRozan (as you proved without Kawhi/DeRozan). So move him and build towards a better future.

OR, if you are keeping him and traded a top 3 player for him over other deals, then commit to winning now as best you can. Be aggressive and add to the team.

[slick'81]

I just dont like the standing still when the situation calls for action. It’s not over, but SA is on the “prove it” mode now vs the “trust it” mode after the past few years and what they have done (Pau, Mills, DeRozan).

Pick a direction; if you are good “just” being a playoff team, you can do that without DeRozan (as you proved without Kawhi/DeRozan). So move him and build towards a better future.

OR, if you are keeping him and traded a top 3 player for him over other deals, then commit to winning now as best you can. Be aggressive and add to the team.

do we have enough assests outside of derozan,lma and the little 3 to signifigantly upgrade though

[dbestpro]

Lyle is not replacing Bertans. Carroll is replacing Bertans. Lyle is replacing Cunningham.

[spurraider21]

Lyle is not replacing Bertans. Carroll is replacing Bertans. Lyle is replacing Cunningham.
nah. we picked up carroll to replace cunningham/pondexter and give us a viable reserve 3 who can play some 4. at the time we acquired carroll, we still had bertans. we only moved bertans to upgrade the small PF spot with morris when the situation developed where morris could conceivably be had at the MLE.

when that fell through, we basically had our squad minus bertans. now lyle is coming in to replace bertans as the floor spacing small 4

[coachmac87]

I just dont like the standing still when the situation calls for action. It’s not over, but SA is on the “prove it” mode now vs the “trust it” mode after the past few years and what they have done (Pau, Mills, DeRozan).

Pick a direction; if you are good “just” being a playoff team, you can do that without DeRozan (as you proved without Kawhi/DeRozan). So move him and build towards a better future.

OR, if you are keeping him and traded a top 3 player for him over other deals, then commit to winning now as best you can. Be aggressive and add to the team.



I mean DDR was 3rd team ALL-NBA when the trade went down ...you can honestly say he did pretty damn good for his situation and coming into the new season..I think you gotta see what you have before you trash it. As we know from Murray getting hurt things and direction of your team can change in a blink of an eye.

Honestly not trying to be an apologist but taking “The Beloved Nuggets” to Game 7 (Choked the Series TBH) without your promising PG (ALL NBA DEFENSE) has to give you pause on major changes.


I dunno what you have in mind? But all the teams in the West that made changes other than Utah or Clippers had either Injuries, Drama, or missed the playoffs all together

You can probably predict the top 3 teams but anything after that is a guess. But even the Top 3 teams have injury history, and dramatic BS that you can’t really ignore.

[siraulo23]

We swapped Bertans for Lyles. We also gave Carroll more years and money. :lol

:lmao

[spurs10]

Morris was going to start at the 4. Lyles can play 4, Holiday can't.

I wouldn't mind Holiday as a Belinelli replacement, though, tbh. Yes and the biggest rub on Lyles I've heard is his inability to defend the perimeter. He and Morris were going to play the 4. Sounds like his in the paint and around the rim defense is likely better than Morris, which is not to say we need that as much as perimeter defense. Hopefully Murray, White, and Carroll can help there.

[Budkin]

It hurts. To be so close to having a roster capable of pulling off #6 and of getting sweet revenge on Nephew, only for it to be snatched away. Damn. :(

Morris wasn't the guy giving us that kind of roster.

[spurraider21]

We swapped Bertans for Lyles. We also gave Carroll more years and money. :lol
yep.

i mean carroll got 0.5 mil more per year, and the 3rd year has just over 1 mil guaranteed, so not the biggest deal. another team looking to shed salary in that third year can send us a better player and then they could waive/buyout carroll cheaper.

the carroll thing isn't the end of the world. swapping big dick bert for lyles is really unfortunate, but thats more on morris being an asshole than PATFO dropping the ball. they did the right thing, but no good deed goes unpunished.

our hopes for this season hinge on white/walker/murray being a significant improvement to our rotation last year. carroll over pondexter/cunningham is a nice upgrade, but not moving the earth.

[spurraider21]

Morris wasn't the guy giving us that kind of roster.
eh, he kind of was. his size, versatility, and defense alone would have been huge. throwing carroll/morris at opposing forwards would have been a pretty big difference maker. last year we didnt have any forwards who were plus defenders and could also shoot. we were really close to having 2 of them, with morris being a more versatile player on both ends

[ElNono]

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/06/47/04/1732914/4/920x920.jpg

[monty4329]

They really shouldn't have signed another Klutch player either. That just makes it worse.

This is what makes this signing 100% pathetic.

Raped twice by Klutch. Well done.

[monty4329]

somewhere in SD Kawhi Leonard is having a big smile, one more proof for how much this place is a mess and PATFO lost it, hope nobody anymore is going to keep blaming Kawhi for wanting out of here!

Hey, after Mr. Hammond becomes HC everybody will want to come here. National TV every week, 'experts' hype on ESPN, and and so forth...

[monty4329]

I am fine with not boycotting them. To me boycotting means everything is cut off. That’s not what I am saying should have happened. I am saying you only deal with them or show interest in clients that mean something. Today, next year or beyond.

You are under no obligation to pay bad players in their stable is what I am saying and that is not a boycott to stay away from bad players tied to them.

It is a duty of a GM to stay away from bad players, no matter what.

[monty4329]

Im surprised that Murray, especially now that it’s come out that “it was Rich Paul’s fault”, does not change reps.

He’s been all Spurs all the way and it can’t sit well with them that his own agency screwed his team out of improving in a major way by both making SA trade Bertans and not having Morris honor his agreement.

I think it would have to be hard to just sit back and say “this is all good”

Well....hey DJ what about starting PG in LA with AD atc etc....? I bet he stays with LBJ/Klutch

[kobyz]

Why give Lyles more than market value? Why not saving the money for a buyout player or two, maybe even Marcus Morris when he bought out by the Knicks down the road.

[Down Under]

So who gets the backup minutes at the 4? Carroll, Lyles or Samanic?

[venitian navigator]

One thing to consider is that by dec. 15 Lyles could become an asset, and potentially a decent one, in the trade market...he's young, has some skills, and his contract situation is extremely good for, let's say, a rebuilding team...
So, if he plays extremely good, he pans out like a steal and we have the chance to stick with paying him little money for his second season...if he plays decently, he could become just the necessary piece to have a good amount of money to be traded for a better, possibly expiring, player (like Gallinari) with his last year being a large contract...

[slick'81]

So who gets the backup minutes at the 4? Carroll, Lyles or Samanic?


Carroll probably starts next to lma with poodle and lyles behind them