Djokovic is the GOAT

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Federer has choked against Novak many times. It’s crazy how much Novak is in both Federer and nadal’s head

Federer was incredible but when all is said and done Novak is the GOAT. Unbelievable.

[DAF86]

Meh, give me Prime Federer over Prime Djokovic any day of the week.

[apalisoc_9]

Prime fed is the GOAT prime.

[Down Under]

3 best of all time. Federer would probably have 25 majors if it was 'acceptable' to underarm serve to Nadal to stop him receiving 7-8 metres behind the baseline.

[dbreiden83080]

Federer has choked against Novak many times. It’s crazy how much Novak is in both Federer and nadal’s head

Federer was incredible but when all is said and done Novak is the GOAT. Unbelievable.

Nope. Because it is about more than just majors won. Fed still has 20, but beyond that look at the record books. He owns every single record worth talking about in the game of tennis. Fed has the most GS, but also Finals, SF, QF appearances all time. Most Grand Slam Matches at 353. Most weeks at Number 1 at 310. Fed also is going to pass Connors for all time matches won. 1274-1222. He likely passes Jimmy sometime next year.. Sadly men's Tennis is not in good shape. Fed, Nadal, and Novak all old, and nobody is coming up. No young players are doing much of anything. So maybe Novak wins some more on the very back end with no challenges. But Fed is the GOAT. He did everything.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nope. Because it is about more than just majors won. Fed still has 20, but beyond that look at the record books. He owns every single record worth talking about in the game of tennis. Fed has the most GS, but also Finals, SF, QF appearances all time. Most Grand Slam Matches at 353. Most weeks at Number 1 at 310. Fed also is going to pass Connors for all time matches won. 1274-1222. He likely passes Jimmy sometime next year.. Sadly men's Tennis is not in good shape. Fed, Nadal, and Novak all old, and nobody is coming up. No young players are doing much of anything. So maybe Novak wins some more on the very back end with no challenges. But Fed is the GOAT. He did everything.

Nah, Fed has choked a whopping 22 match points in his career far far more than. Coma or nadal

He also has a mediocre head to head against both nadal and Djokovic

Federer played during some insanely weak completion in 2004-2097 and choked like crazy in the pressure moments

He had an amazing run, probably number 2 all time but Djokovic is the GOAT. His peak in 2015 was the highest level tennis has ever been played at. Absolutely unplayable

He’ll definitely overtake Fed in GS total and crush him head to head

[dbreiden83080]

Nah, Fed has choked a whopping 22 match points in his career far far more than. Coma or nadal

He also has a mediocre head to head against both nadal and Djokovic

Federer played during some insanely weak completion in 2004-2097 and choked like crazy in the pressure moments

He had an amazing run, probably number 2 all time but Djokovic is the GOAT. His peak in 2015 was the highest level tennis has ever been played at. Absolutely unplayable

He’ll definitely overtake Fed in GS total and crush him head to head

Explain to me how Roger is not the greatest of all time given everything I just laid out? I already explained it to you. He has every record in the book. Every single fucking one of them. Tennis is different than other sports because we are talking individual. So everything you do you did it individually. There was no team bullshit. Roger owns every single fucking record. Winning 21 grand slams is not enough to prove you were the best of all time. Not when the other guy owns everything else. And explain to me whoever in tennis history at age 38 has double match point against a legend in his prime? Nobody was even playing tennis at 38. I mean Roger is so far and away the greatest.

[dbreiden83080]

Novak By the way he was injured as little as two years ago and nobody had him in the greatest of all time discussion. It’s only in the last year people have thrown him back in. How quickly people forget.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Novak By the way he was injured as little as two years ago and nobody had him in the greatest of all time discussion. It’s only in the last year people have thrown him back in. How quickly people forget.

Not true at all:


https://www.si.com/tennis/2016/06/05/french-open-final-novak-djokovic-beats-andy-murray-career-slam

https://metro.co.uk/2017/12/07/rafael-nadal-right-novak-djokovic-reach-higher-level-roger-federer-7139597/

https://www.theroar.com.au/2016/06/08/why-novak-djokovic-is-now-the-goat/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2659503-novak-djokovics-quest-to-be-in-goat-discussion-hinges-on-2016-us-open-title

Those are all from several years ago

Novak has had FIFTEEN grand slams this decade to Federer's 5. Federer has a huge mental block against both his biggest rivals in Novak and Nadal.

Federer also crumbles under pressure. Djokovic will break Federer's record of most weeks at #1 as well as Grand Slams. He's also held all 4 grand slams at once something Federer has never done.

I mean Federer's H2H is shocking for someone who is considered the GOAT. He had his time, and has crumbled many more times to his rivals than they have against him.

Federer has been doing a great job for his age, but Djokovic's C game (like the recent wimbledon final) beats Federer's B+ game.

Djokovic is steam rolling with no opposition in sight. Nadal will also overtake his GS total even though I'd still have Federer as #2 since most of Nadal's have been so much on clay.


When we look at advanced stats with ELO rating Djokovic absolutely CRUSHES it:

https://tennisabstract.com/reports/atp_elo_ratings.html


When we even re-look at them so their ages align, Djokovic wins out again:

https://i.imgur.com/KmF7XrA.png


Fed early on beat an aging agassi and samprass

The first great player Federer faced to win a grand slam was a #7 seed 35-year-old Agassi to win his sixth major. He was mostly playing against other guys his own age (Hewitt/Roddick/Safin) in his early dominance, without any greats standing in his way.

There was a decade-long gap between Sampras (born 1971) and Federer (born 1981) without a single all-time great, which made it very easy for him to breakthrough. Conversely, there is now seemingly no great player born after Djokovic for at least a decade, which is making his late career easier I agree with that.

But at the end of the day, Djokovic is inevitable. When people look back at the Fed/Dokovic rivalry and Djokovic/Nadal rivalry Djokovic towers above the rest.

Djokovic will be holding a lot of records himself when all is said and done. His injury nearly derailed him but he bounced back beautifully. He's only 32 and I think he'll finish with 22 slams.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Meh, give me Prime Federer over Prime Djokovic any day of the week.


Prime fed is the GOAT prime.

Honestly, 2011 and 2015 Djokovic is better than any year of peak Federer.

[DAF86]

Honestly, 2011 and 2015 Djokovic is better than any year of peak Federer.

lol no. Prime Federer Made Djokovic his bitch Match after Match. Prime Djokovic always had a hard time beating Roger.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

lol no. Prime Federer Made Djokovic his bitch Match after Match. Prime Djokovic always had a hard time beating Roger.

Haha what?! Djokovic pre 2008 was a kid, Djokovic has OWNED Federer since 2008 is 4-1 vs him in GS finals

How can you possibly be serious?! :lol

Federer has been Djokovic’s bitch for a majority of his career. Federer was still amazing and only 28 in 2011 and was getting cucked by Djokovic time and time again.

[dbreiden83080]

Haha what?! Djokovic pre 2008 was a kid, Djokovic has OWNED Federer since 2008 is 4-1 vs him in GS finals

How can you possibly be serious?! :lol

Federer has been Djokovic’s bitch for a majority of his career. Federer was still amazing and only 28 in 2011 and was getting cucked by Djokovic time and time again.

Uh Roger is almost 40 and how did Wimbledon just go? Did he get smoked in 3 sets or something? He had 2 match points on his serve. Roger blew that match more than Novak won it. He is about 6 years older. The all time Head to Head is 26-22 for Novak, and you talk like Fed is losing 40-8... Through 20 matches in 2011 Roger was up 13-7. By 2015 it was 20-20. Novak has won 5 in a row from 2015 on now facing an old Fed. But Fed is doing at 37 and 38 what nobody has done, or ever will again. Novak got a long way to go. He needs 5 to pass Fed. That is a lot of Majors and injuries are never to be discounted. Plus Young guys come out of nowhere. Stefano Tsitsipas for example is someone to keep an eye on..

[DAF86]

Haha what?! Djokovic pre 2008 was a kid, Djokovic has OWNED Federer since 2008 is 4-1 vs him in GS finals

How can you possibly be serious?! :lol

Federer has been Djokovic’s bitch for a majority of his career. Federer was still amazing and only 28 in 2011 and was getting cucked by Djokovic time and time again.

Prime Federer used to smoke a non-prime Djokovic in 3 easy sets. Prime Djokovic always had to pull escape tricks to survive non-prime Federer. Prime Federer is just a much more dominating player than prime Djokovic ever was.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Prime Federer used to smoke a non-prime Djokovic in 3 easy sets. Prime Djokovic always had to pull escape tricks to survive non-prime Federer. Prime Federer is just a much more dominating player than prime Djokovic ever was.

And I bet you had 2011 or 2015 Djokovic played a pre-prime Federer he'd beat him in straight sets as well. By any metric 2011 and 2015 Djokovic was the GOAT, his 2015 might be the greatest season in tennis history when you factor in competition as well.



Uh Roger is almost 40 and how did Wimbledon just go? Did he get smoked in 3 sets or something? He had 2 match points on his serve. Roger blew that match more than Novak won it. He is about 6 years older. The all time Head to Head is 26-22 for Novak, and you talk like Fed is losing 40-8... Through 20 matches in 2011 Roger was up 13-7. By 2015 it was 20-20. Novak has won 5 in a row from 2015 on now facing an old Fed. But Fed is doing at 37 and 38 what nobody has done, or ever will again. Novak got a long way to go. He needs 5 to pass Fed. That is a lot of Majors and injuries are never to be discounted. Plus Young guys come out of nowhere. Stefano Tsitsipas for example is someone to keep an eye on..

Even if you remove the grand slams from 2015 onward, you still have a VERY good Federer betwen 2010-2014 (part of which was still his prime) and Djokovic has doubled his Grand slam tally for this decade which case prior to 2015 he was up 10-5 in grand slams.

Federer had it pretty easy for the most part from 2004-2007, and then when it got harder he flustered a bit. Djokovic had it very tough from 2008 onward when he started winning slams and only very lately has the competition softened up as Federer aged and Nadal has been hit by some injuries in the past. I know anything can happen, and Djokovic's horrible drought during his injury period had many doubting if he'd ever find his form again, but he's still head and shoulders above the competition, with a huge advantage on hard courts. He's the greatest hard court player ever and I think when he retires he'll be the greatest grass court player ever as well.

5 more isn't an easy feat but I think when all is said and done he'll have the GS record as well as most weeks at #1 all time record.


For Feder, his two biggest rivals he has a losing record against. I agree it's not a crazy W-L deficit but it's there from BOTH his biggest rivals. And it's been much worse this decade.

I think Djokovic played a painfully mediocre wimbledon final, I'd struggle to give him above a C. A lot of stupid unforced errors and poor serving that is uncharacteristic of him.

Federer played a B+ overall and still lost. That' the scary thing. Djokovic doesn't have to play at nearly a high level to beat Federer whereas Federer has to have a near perfect game to beat Novak.

Even in 2011 and 2012 US Open matches where Federer choked, he had such a massive mental block against Novak this decade it's unreal. Novak has an extra gear that Federer doesn't have. Novak can sleepwalk through sets and then flip a switch and be unplayable. His ceiling is the highest in tennis history for me.

Whatever happens it'll be fun to see who retires with what. Yet, for some reason I can't have Nadal ever being my GOAT personally, but maybe that's just me

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Federer the GOAT until otherwise proven.

Was disappointing to see him choke championship point to Joker, however

[DAF86]

And I bet you had 2011 or 2015 Djokovic played a pre-prime Federer he'd beat him in straight sets as well. By any metric 2011 and 2015 Djokovic was the GOAT, his 2015 might be the greatest season in tennis history when you factor in competition as well.




Even if you remove the grand slams from 2015 onward, you still have a VERY good Federer betwen 2010-2014 (part of which was still his prime) and Djokovic has doubled his Grand slam tally for this decade which case prior to 2015 he was up 10-5 in grand slams.

Federer had it pretty easy for the most part from 2004-2007, and then when it got harder he flustered a bit. Djokovic had it very tough from 2008 onward when he started winning slams and only very lately has the competition softened up as Federer aged and Nadal has been hit by some injuries in the past. I know anything can happen, and Djokovic's horrible drought during his injury period had many doubting if he'd ever find his form again, but he's still head and shoulders above the competition, with a huge advantage on hard courts. He's the greatest hard court player ever and I think when he retires he'll be the greatest grass court player ever as well.

5 more isn't an easy feat but I think when all is said and done he'll have the GS record as well as most weeks at #1 all time record.


For Feder, his two biggest rivals he has a losing record against. I agree it's not a crazy W-L deficit but it's there from BOTH his biggest rivals. And it's been much worse this decade.

I think Djokovic played a painfully mediocre wimbledon final, I'd struggle to give him above a C. A lot of stupid unforced errors and poor serving that is uncharacteristic of him.

Federer played a B+ overall and still lost. That' the scary thing. Djokovic doesn't have to play at nearly a high level to beat Federer whereas Federer has to have a near perfect game to beat Novak.

Even in 2011 and 2012 US Open matches where Federer choked, he had such a massive mental block against Novak this decade it's unreal. Novak has an extra gear that Federer doesn't have. Novak can sleepwalk through sets and then flip a switch and be unplayable. His ceiling is the highest in tennis history for me.

Whatever happens it'll be fun to see who retires with what. Yet, for some reason I can't have Nadal ever being my GOAT personally, but maybe that's just me

Oh, yeah? And here I was thinking that by the objective metric of winning % Federer's 2006 season was better than any Djokovic season. Silly me, I thought the higher the number, the better.

[DAF86]

At the end of the day, it's easy. If Djokovic (or Nadal) want to claim the GOAT tittle, all they have to do is get that number one spot in terms of Slams won. Untill then, it's Federer.

[dbreiden83080]

At the end of the day, it's easy. If Djokovic (or Nadal) want to claim the GOAT tittle, all they have to do is get that number one spot in terms of Slams won. Untill then, it's Federer.

I actually disagree. I think it needs to be more than that. Fed owns everything. 21 slams to his 20 is not enough to take the GOAT tag from him IMO. The man owns every major record in the books not just slams won. Novak has a tough time ahead, mostly because he is immensely unpopular with fans, and the media. The crowds when he plays a player like Fed or Rafa root against him to the point of anger and jealousy on his part. If he is up against a youngster in the US Open Finals this year, he will be rooted against again. Maybe he uses that as further fuel. But I don't see fans and media ever really giving it up to him as the GOAT.. He Is not someone they admire.

[DAF86]

I actually disagree. I think it needs to be more than that. Fed owns everything. 21 slams to his 20 is not enough to take the GOAT tag from him IMO. The man owns every major record in the books not just slams won. Novak has a tough time ahead, mostly because he is immensely unpopular with fans, and the media. The crowds when he plays a player like Fed or Rafa root against him to the point of anger and jealousy on his part. If he is up against a youngster in the US Open Finals this year, he will be rooted against again. Maybe he uses that as further fuel. But I don't see fans and media ever really giving it up to him as the GOAT.. He Is not someone they admire.

Roger doesn't own every major record, tbh. He doesn't own the master series récord and he has losing h2h against both Nadal and Djokovic.

My favourite will always be Roger, and in terms of prime, he was clearly the best, imho. But if either Nadal or Djokovic pass him on GS's they have a good case to be considered the GOAT over him.

[dbreiden83080]

Roger doesn't own every major record, tbh. He doesn't own the master series récord and he has losing h2h against both Nadal and Djokovic.

My favourite will always be Roger, and in terms of prime, he was clearly the best, imho. But if either Nadal or Djokovic pass him on GS's they have a good case to be considered the GOAT over him.

Most weeks at number 1
Most GS titles
Most Finals, SF, QF,
Most Grand Slams played
He will pass Conors for most matches won next year..


That is a mouthful.. Novak has won about 400 less total matches.. Fed has 102 titles. Novak has 75..

[DAF86]

Most weeks at number 1
Most GS titles
Most Finals, SF, QF,
Most Grand Slams played
He will pass Conors for most matches won next year..


That is a mouthful.. Novak has won about 400 less total matches.. Fed has 102 titles. Novak has 75..

Most GS played and most QF, SF and finals are meaningless records. If Djokovic ends up as the all-time leading winner in GS's, Master Series and ends with a winning % vs both Roger and Rafa, it would be really hard to argue against him being the GOAT. As much as it would pain me to say it.

[dbreiden83080]

Most GS played and most QF, SF and finals are meaningless records. If Djokovic ends up as the all-time leading winner in GS's, Master Series and ends with a winning % vs both Roger and Rafa, it would be really hard to argue against him being the GOAT. As much as it would pain me to say it.

Meaningless record according to who? Every single time he advances in a grand slam those statistics are brought up. It is an amazing testament to longevity. People talk about Pete Sampras as being top three or top five all time. The man literally won 500 less tennis matches than Roger. That shit matters. It counts. By your logic these players should only show up four times a year. That all of these other tournaments they playing mean jack shit, so don’t bother even competing. That’s not how it works. Every time you step on the court it matters. If certain people simply want to count grand slam titles OK fine. I won’t. I will look at the entirety of a man’s career.

[DAF86]

Meaningless record according to who? Every single time he advances in a grand slam those statistics are brought up. It is an amazing testament to longevity. People talk about Pete Sampras as being top three or top five all time. The man literally won 500 less tennis matches than Roger. That shit matters. It counts. By your logic these players should only show up four times a year. That all of these other tournaments they playing mean jack shit, so don’t bother even competing. That’s not how it works. Every time you step on the court it matters. If certain people simply want to count grand slam titles OK fine. I won’t. I will look at the entirety of a man’s career.

Wayne Ferreira once held the record for most Grand Slams played consecutively. Nobody is calling him the GOAT of anything, tbh.

And what you mean by "my logic" players should only show up 4 times a year? Didn't I brought up "most Master Series won" to the discussion?

If Djokovic ends up with a head to head advantage over Federer, plus most Master Series won, plus most Grand Slams won, Federer can play a million Grand Slams that it will be hard to objectively rank him over Novak.

And I'm a huge Federer fan, but I call it how it is, tbh.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Wayne Ferreira once held the record for most Grand Slams played consecutively. Nobody is calling him the GOAT of anything, tbh.

And what you mean by "my logic" players should only show up 4 times a year? Didn't I brought up "most Master Series won" to the discussion?

If Djokovic ends up with a head to head advantage over Federer, plus most Master Series won, plus most Grand Slams won, Federer can play a million Grand Slams that it will be hard to objectively rank him over Novak.

And I'm a huge Federer fan, but I call it how it is, tbh.

Amen, and I think the only records that matter for GOAT will be total GS won and most weeks at #1, something I expect Djokovic to finish with


Check out this article about Djokovic 2015 vs Federer 2006. Towards the bottom of the article they go into depth about the two seasons in comparison with each other. I think it's spot on personally, but obviously Federer's 2006 is up there:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2592497-is-novak-djokovics-2015-season-the-greatest-in-mens-tennis-history

[DAF86]

Amen, and I think the only records that matter for GOAT will be total GS won and most weeks at #1, something I expect Djokovic to finish with


Check out this article about Djokovic 2015 vs Federer 2006. Towards the bottom of the article they go into depth about the two seasons in comparison with each other. I think it's spot on personally, but obviously Federer's 2006 is up there:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2592497-is-novak-djokovics-2015-season-the-greatest-in-mens-tennis-history

So we go from:


By any metric 2011 and 2015 Djokovic was the GOAT

To:


I think it's spot on personally, but obviously Federer's 2006 is up there

I thought any metric had, not only 2015, but also 2011 Djokovic over any other player. :lol

2006 Federer > 2015 Djokovic by a small but sure enough margin, tbh.

Better winning %
Better % of sets won
Better % of games won
Better % of points won

The only argument that could be made in favour of Djokovic is the two Masters Series advantage but when you factor that Roger didn't play two master series in 2006 that argument loses weight.

The "competition" argument is a subjective bullshit one. That's the type of argument old farts would use to still claim that Sampras is better than Djokovic. In fact, I could argue that, since 2006 Nadal > 2015 Nadal, Roger is actually the one that had the tougher competition. One thing is for sure though, 2006 Federer wouldn't have wasted the opportunity of winning a calender year slam in a Roland Garros final vs Stanislas fucking Wawrinka, tbh.

Another missed opportunity for Djokovic was the Golden medal in 2015. 2006 Federer probably adds gold to his resume.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

So we go from:



To:



I thought any metric had, not only 2015, but also 2011 Djokovic over any other player. :lol

2006 Federer > 2015 Djokovic by a small but sure enough margin, tbh.

Better winning %
Better % of sets won
Better % of games won
Better % of points won

The only argument that could be made in favour of Djokovic is the two Masters Series advantage but when you factor that Roger didn't play two master series in 2006 that argument loses weight.

The "competition" argument is a subjective bullshit one. That's the type of argument old farts would use to still claim that Sampras is better than Djokovic. In fact, I could argue that, since 2006 Nadal > 2015 Nadal, Roger is actually the one that had the tougher competition. One thing is for sure though, 2006 Federer wouldn't have wasted the opportunity of winning a calender year slam in a Roland Garros final vs Stanislas fucking Wawrinka, tbh.

Another missed opportunity for Djokovic was the Golden medal in 2015. 2006 Federer probably adds gold to his resume.

Federer is one of the biggest mentally soft players when it comes to capitalizing. He's blown 22 match points and several against Djokovic himself. Federer is the last guy to seal the deal especially as his career has gone. He sucks with pressure.

Wawrinka was INCREDIBLE in that match when he beat Djokovic.

I think 2011 Djokovic is the greatest player ever, but 2015 was the greatest season in tennis history, won multiple masters on clay as well, and was winning some of those tourneys as a slight underdog.

Federer had weak competition in 2004-2007, it's a fact. Roddick was his toughest competition and once Nadal came into prominence he started beating H2H.

2015 was just an insane year for Novak on just about EVERY surface. His record against a better top 10 than what Federer faced in 2006 was fantastic. Much better ELO rating for that season than Federer for 2006 too.

[DAF86]

Federer is one of the biggest mentally soft players when it comes to capitalizing. He's blown 22 match points and several against Djokovic himself. Federer is the last guy to seal the deal especially as his career has gone. He sucks with pressure.

Wawrinka was INCREDIBLE in that match when he beat Djokovic.

Federer lost some close marches in his career. 2006 Federer wouldn't have had a close game vs Wawrinka in a Grand Slam final.


I think 2011 Djokovic is the greatest player ever, but 2015 was the greatest season in tennis history, won multiple masters on clay as well, and was winning some of those tourneys as a slight underdog.

Federer had weak competition in 2004-2007, it's a fact. Roddick was his toughest competition and once Nadal came into prominence he started beating H2H.

2015 was just an insane year for Novak on just about EVERY surface. His record against a better top 10 than what Federer faced in 2006 was fantastic. Much better ELO rating for that season than Federer for 2006 too.

Past prime Federer still beat absolute prime Djokovic three times in that 2015. That's why he's the GOAT. :hat

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Federer lost some close marches in his career. 2006 Federer wouldn't have had a close game vs Wawrinka in a Grand Slam final.



Past prime Federer still beat absolute prime Djokovic three times in that 2015. That's why he's the GOAT. :hat

Honestly Fed deserves a lot of credit for that

2011 Djokovic on the other hand ;)

[skin27]

Djokovic beat Nadal at Roland garros something federer hasn’t done in his career..

[DAF86]

Djokovic beat Nadal at Roland garros something federer hasn’t done in his career..

Djokovic puts excuses and quits when he gets outplayed. Something Federer hasn't done in his career.

[skin27]

Federer choking against dimitrov at US Open:lmao

federer always chokes at us open..hahaha

[dbreiden83080]

Federer choking against dimitrov at US Open:lmao

federer always chokes at us open..hahaha

He won it 5 times LOL.. He is 38.. Tough to see him lose tonight, but nobody will ever play at this level into their late 30's again?

[dbreiden83080]

Djokovic puts excuses and quits when he gets outplayed. Something Federer hasn't done in his career.

Yeah that was BS when he walked over, being down 2-0 in sets and just getting broke in the 3rd.. Seen that before.. Sucks Fed loses tonight, but I still think he can win 1 more major before it is over.. But health may be starting to play a larger role at 38 now..

[skin27]

The last time he won the usopen was way back in 2008..after that he always chokes at the us open..haha



If he’s old then just retire..

[skin27]

He won it 5 times LOL.. He is 38.. Tough to see him lose tonight, but nobody will ever play at this level into their late 30's again?


hw won 4 of his 5 us open in the weak era..lol..after 2008 he never won the us open and always chokes at b quarter finals or semifinals..

[dbreiden83080]

The last time he won the usopen was way back in 2008..after that he always chokes at the us open..haha



If he’s old then just retire..

To say someone "Always Chokes" that means they never have success.. In the Open Era he is tied all time with Connors, and Sampras. They all have 5.. So he is in a 3 way tie for the most wins ever at the US Open. And he will retire when he can't compete anymore. He was in the finals at Wimbledon.

[skin27]

To say someone "Always Chokes" that means they never have success.. In the Open Era he is tied all time with Connors, and Sampras. They all have 5.. So he is in a 3 way tie for the most wins ever at the US Open. And he will retire when he can't compete anymore. He was in the finals at Wimbledon.

i know he won 5 us open but in the weak era..he beat a 20/21 year ol djokovic in 2007 and 2008..but after that he never won the us open again even if he’s still young back then..

[dbreiden83080]

hw won 4 of his 5 us open in the weak era..lol..after 2008 he never won the us open and always chokes at b quarter finals or semifinals..

He's got Majors off Nadal and Novak Son.. In 2017 he beat Nadal to win the Aussie Open. He Beat him again at the Wimbledon semi's this year. He beat Novak in his youth to win at the US Open. Won Wimbledon twice off Nadal in the finals.. Beat Murray two times in finals at the Aussie and Wimbledon. Roddick is in the HOF and he smoked his ass in numerous finals. BTW who did Pete have as major competition in his era? The best guy was Agassi. Agassi for all his talent, spent more time eating hamburgers, doing drugs, and dating celebs than playing tennis for most of his 20's..

[dbreiden83080]

i know he won 5 us open but in the weak era..he beat a 20/21 year ol djokovic in 2007 and 2008..but after that he never won the us open again even if he’s still young back then..

Okay Pete won 5.

3 of them against Agassi who is NOT Novak or Nadal. He was fat and unmotivated much of his career. The other 2 he beat Michael Chang, and Cédric Pioline.

[skin27]

He's got Majors off Nadal and Novak Son.. In 2017 he beat Nadal to win the Aussie Open. He Beat him again at the Wimbledon semi's this year. He beat Novak in his youth to win at the US Open. Won Wimbledon twice off Nadal in the finals.. Beat Murray two times in finals at the Aussie and Wimbledon. Roddick is in the HOF and he smoked his ass in numerous finals. BTW who did Pete have as major competition in his era? The best guy was Agassi. Agassi for all his talent, spent more time eating hamburgers, doing drugs, and dating celebs than playing tennis for most of his 20's..

how many slams did federer won in this decade? Or from 2010 to 2015? 3? Lol..That time is the time nadal and djokovic reach their prime..


federer isn’t too old from 2010 to 2015..infact he’s still young back then..

[skin27]

Okay Pete won 5.

3 of them against Agassi who is NOT Novak or Nadal. He was fat and unmotivated much of his career. The other 2 he beat Michael Chang, and Cédric Pioline.


i don’t care about Sampras..nadal and djokovic are way better than him..lol

[dbreiden83080]

how many slams did federer won in this decade? Or from 2010 to 2015? 3? Lol..That time is the time nadal and djokovic reach their prime..

When Fed was young he used to dominate Novak. And the Nadal rivalry has actually gone his way in recent years.. Nobody wins 20 Majors with all those guys in their prime at the same time Duh. Is that supposed to be an insult to Roger? That is like saying "Jordan would never have won 6 rings if he had to play Bird and the Celts, and Magic and the Lakers all in their primes for 10 years" Well no Fucking shit..

[dbreiden83080]

i don’t care about Sampras..nadal and djokovic are way better than him..lol

Pete actually ruins Nadal on Grass and Hard courts. See Nadal standing at the wall on the return? Good Luck doing that with Pete when he serves and Volleys at 130 MPH..

[skin27]

Pete actually ruins Nadal on Grass and Hard courts. See Nadal standing at the wall on the return? Good Luck doing that with Pete when he serves and Volleys at 130 MPH..

how sure are you of that? Did you see Sampras play nadal and djokovic?lol

[dbreiden83080]

how sure are you of that? Did you see Sampras play nadal and djokovic?lol

Styles make fights.. Same in Tennis.. Bad style for Nadal returning that way. He better move his ass way up.. Love Pete on Grass in that one. And Hard Courts.. Nadal ruins him on Clay..

[skin27]

When Fed was young he used to dominate Novak. And the Nadal rivalry has actually gone his way in recent years.. Nobody wins 20 Majors with all those guys in their prime at the same time Duh. Is that supposed to be an insult to Roger? That is like saying "Jordan would never have won 6 rings if he had to play Bird and the Celts, and Magic and the Lakers all in their primes for 10 years" Well no Fucking shit..

Federer won most of his slams in the weak era..that’s why I asked you how many slams did federer won from 2010 to 2015?because that time nadal and djokovic starts to mature.. federer is not old those years..

[skin27]

Styles make fights.. Same in Tennis.. Bad style for Nadal returning that way. He better move his ass way up.. Love Pete on Grass in that one. And Hard Courts.. Nadal ruins him on Clay..



Dont assume on things you didn’t see..haha

[dbreiden83080]

Federer won most of his slams in the weak era..that’s why I asked you how many slams did federer won from 2010 to 2015?because that time nadal and djokovic starts to mature.. federer is not old those years..

Weak era by what standard? Pete's era was better? Who did he play? Andre. Yeah so what? Give me an example? Fed, Nadal and Novak are considered to be the top 3 all time players..

Did Jordan beat Larry and Magic to win his rings in their primes? No he beat Barkley and Gary Payton..

[skin27]

Weak era by what standard? Pete's era was better? Who did he play? Andre. Yeah so what? Give me an example? Fed, Nadal and Novak are considered to be the top 3 all time players..

why you put Pete in the argument when we are talking about about djokovic and federer..LoL

[skin27]

Weak era by what standard? Pete's era was better? Who did he play? Andre. Yeah so what? Give me an example? Fed, Nadal and Novak are considered to be the top 3 all time players..

Did Jordan beat Larry and Magic to win his rings in their primes? No he beat Barkley and Gary Payton..

2004 to 2007 was weak era..that was the time fed won most of his slams..

[dbreiden83080]

2004 to 2007 was weak era..that was the time fed won most of his slams..

You have to do better than that.. Weak by what standard in history? Give me an example? Cite an era, a champ, and the competition faced..

[dbreiden83080]

why you put Pete in the argument when we are talking about about djokovic and federer..LoL

Because your argument is no argument at all with ZERO Context. You keep saying the same thing with no new info..

[skin27]

You have to do better than that.. Weak by what standard in history? Give me an example? Cite an era, a champ, and the competition faced..

federer has no competition from 2004-2007.. Roddick? Hewitt? Lol..

[dbreiden83080]

federer has no competition from 2004-2007.. Roddick? Hewitt? Lol..

Still waiting on that example? Both of those men are HOF players BTW.. BUT Still waiting?

[skin27]

Still waiting on that example? Both of those men are HOF players BTW.. BUT Still waiting?

lol..hall of fame? Hahaha..those to are scrubs.. the real competition for federer starts from 2009 upwards..

roddick and hewitt aren’t in the same level of djokovic and nadal..haha

[dbreiden83080]

lol..hall of fame? Hahaha..those to are scrubs.. the real competition for federer starts from 2009 upwards..

roddick and hewitt aren’t in the same level of djokovic and nadal..haha

Uh yeah no shit. Those are 2 of the top 3 of all time. So Jordan needed to play Bird, Magic and Wilt all in their primes I guess..

You got an example?

[skin27]

Uh yeah no shit. Those are 2 of the top 3 of all time. So Jordan needed to play Bird, Magic and Wilt all in their primes I guess..

You got an example?


why put Jordan in the argument? Lol

so just accept federer played inthe weak era with roddick and Hewitt as his main rival..haha

[dbreiden83080]

why put Jordan in the argument? Lol

I accept your surrender..

[skin27]

I accept your surrender..

lol..your argument is idiotic..haha

just accept federer is a choker at usopen..haha

[dbreiden83080]

lol..your argument is idiotic..haha

just accept federer is a choker at usopen..haha

I gave you about 5 chances to provide some context, and you never did.. You are out of chances..

[skin27]

I gave you about 5 chances to provide some context, and you never did.. You are out of chances..

i already gave you..you just ignore it..

[dbreiden83080]

i already gave you..you just ignore it..

I asked you for examples of other era's and champs. You gave me nothing. Fed's era is weak compared to who and what? 1 more chance. Example?

[skin27]

I asked you for examples of other era's and champs. You gave me nothing. Fed's era is weak compared to who and what? 1 more chance. Example?

we are talking about federer not other champs..lol

see?
federer’s era is weak compared to nadal and djokovic..

djokovic and nadal faced federer all througout their career.. but federer doesn’t have a rival from 2004- 2007..gets?

thats why federer has 20 slams..

[dbreiden83080]

we are talking about federer not other champs..lol

see?

That is why you lose the argument. You have not made an argument. You keep saying "He choked" but provide no context or examples to prove that to be true. He won 5 US Opens and 20 GS titles. So when you say "The era is weak", and I ask you for historical context to prove that point, which is how you evaluate all athletes historically in sports, You should have something to add if the point is valid.. You don't..

[skin27]

That is why you lose the argument. You have not made an argument. You keep saying "He choked" but provide no context or examples to prove that to be true. He won 5 US Opens and 20 GS titles. So when you say "The era is weak", and I ask you for historical context to prove that point, which is how you evaluate all athletes historically in sports, You should have something to add if the point is valid.. You don't..

did federer won us open after 2008?whe he has great rival in djokovic and nadal? Now answer that..

[dbreiden83080]

did he won us open after 2008?whe he has great rival in djokovic and nadal? Now answer that..

Went over this like 9 posts ago? Just go back and re-read.. Saying he is not winning 20 with all of them in their prime is a no shit discussion. That is NOT insulting Fed.. Nobody could do that... Novak has won majors with Fed being older, and Nadal being injured. Same deal.. He ain't winning 16 with Fed and Nadal all at their best for a whole career.. Compare Fed's whole era to other all time greats players. And tell me where his was so weak in comparison? Pete has 14 majors. Would he have 14 with Roger, Nadal and Novak all in the same era with Pete? Context Son. I have been teaching class all night.

[skin27]

Went over this like 9 posts ago? Just go back and re-read.. Saying he is not winning 20 with all of them in their prime is a no shit discussion. That is NOT insulting Fed.. Nobody could do that... Novak has won majors with Fed being older, and Nadal being injured. Same deal.. He ain't winning 16 with Fed and Nadal all at their best for a whole career.. Compare Fed's whole era to other all time greats players. And tell me where his was so weak in comparison? Pete has 14 majors. Would he have 14 with Roger, Nadal and Novak all in the same era with Pete? Context Son. I have been teaching class all night.


you did not answer my question..you just spin your answer..that’swhyyoulose The argument boy..

the only answer is yes or no and you can’t even answer..lol

[skin27]

2004 to 2007 is a weak era in men’s tennis..haha

[dbreiden83080]

you did not answer my question..you just spin your answer..that’swhyyoulose The argument boy..

I answered it like 5 times. I concede Fed DID not win at the same level. Point is nobody could or would.. Not possible.. BTW Fed has a long list of HOF players he beat in finals.

Nadal
Novak
Hewitt
Roddick
Agassi
Murray

But the era is weak right?

[skin27]

The real competition between federer djokovic and nadal is from 2009 to 2016

[skin27]

I answered it like 5 times. I concede Fed DID not win at the same level. Point is nobody could or would.. Not possible.. BTW Fed has a long list of HOF players he beat in finals.

Nadal
Novak
Hewitt
Roddick
Agassi
Murray

But the era is weak right?

hewitt and roddick doesn’t belong to the likes of sampras, Agassi, djokovic and nadal..haha

im just telling you how federer got his 20 slams..because you always brought up federer has 20 slams tothegoatcobversation..lol

[dbreiden83080]

hewitt and roddick doesn’t belong to the likes of sampras, Agassi, djokovic and nadal..haha

Agreed. But Pete only played Agassi.. And Jim Courier a little before he fell off. Pat Rafter was pretty good.. None of them are Nadal and Novak..

Fed, Nadal and Novak play with Pete and Pete may not win 10 Majors. I like the matchup with Nadal on Grass and HC, but not with Fed or Novak.

[skin27]

The end of the day djokovic will pass federer as the goat..

that’s why federer didn’t want to retire yet because he scared that djokovic and nadal can surpass his slam tallies..


take note that Sampras only played until 31 years old

[skin27]

Agreed. But Pete only played Agassi.. And Jim Courier a little before he fell off. Pat Rafter was pretty good.. None of them are Nadal and Novak..

Fed, Nadal and Novak play with Pete and Pete may not win 10 Majors. I like the matchup with Nadal on Grass and HC, but not with Fed or Novak.


that’s why I said federer played inthe weak era because his only rival are roddick and Hewitt..haha

that’s the reason why federer has 20 slams.. he won 10 of those from the weak era 2003 to 2007

[dbreiden83080]

that’s why I said federer played inthe weak era because his only rival are roddick and Hewitt..haha

that’s the reason why federer has 20 slams.. he won 10 of those from the weak era 2003 to 2007

And you still have not given me any context whatsoever to prove your point. Nothing. By the numbers he’s the greatest player that ever lived. I’ve asked you 10 times to give me some sort of historical context and you still won’t do it. Because you can’t.

[skin27]

[QUOTE=dbreiden83080;9920411]And you still have not given me any context whatsoever to prove your point. Nothing. By the numbers he’s the greatest player that ever lived.[/QUOTE


You just can’t answer this argument..haha

[dbreiden83080]

[QUOTE=dbreiden83080;9920411]And you still have not given me any context whatsoever to prove your point. Nothing. By the numbers he’s the greatest player that ever lived.[/QUOTE


You just can’t answer this argument..haha

You don’t answer an argument moron you answer a question LOL. Which I did like 10 times. You still have not answered my question? Still.

[skin27]

[QUOTE=skin27;9920414]

You don’t answer an argument moron you answer a question LOL. Which I did like 10 times. You still have not answered my question? Still.

See? You can’t accept that federer has 20 slams because he played in the weak era 2003-2007..

[dbreiden83080]

[QUOTE=dbreiden83080;9920415]

See? You can’t accept that federer has 20 slams because he played in the weak era 2003-2007..

Weak by what standard? That the other two greatest players in the history of tennis were not all in their primes at the same time? That’s the context. That’s some weak ass bullshit.

[skin27]

[QUOTE=skin27;9920416]

Weak by what standard? That the other two greatest players in the history of tennis were not all in their primes at the same time? That’s the context. That’s some weak ass bullshit.


federer is lucky to play in the weak era where there is no competition..accept it boy..haha

[FrostKing]

I think Federer is still GOAT at this moment but I could see Djokovic above Nadal. Of the 3 the media is far less in Djokovic's corner.

[dbreiden83080]

federer is lucky to play in the weak era where there is no competition..accept it boy..haha

Pete was lucky to play in an era where Andre cared more about shooting camera commercials, eating Fast Food, and dating celebs than playing tennis..

McEnroe was lucky his top rival Borg quit at 25 years old.

Novak is lucky he won majors with Nadal being injured and Fed getting old..

Context Son..

[Reck]

I think Federer is still GOAT at this moment but I could see Djokovic above Nadal. Of the 3 the media is far less in Djokovic's corner.

Odd comment.

Thinks Federer is the goat but thinks Nadal is behind Djokovic.

Djokovic has not the titles nor intensity to match Nadal. Nadal is about to pull within one major title to tie Federer for most all time IN LESS TIME.

[DAF86]

See? You can’t accept that federer has 20 slams because he played in the weak era 2003-2007..

Dude, your "2003-2007 era is weak" take is dumb as shit. If you are going to say dumb shit, back it up. If you can't, just shut the fuck up.

[DAF86]

Roddick, Hewitt and Safin would have like 10 Grand Slams each if it wasn't for Federer. "Weak era" :lol

[lefty]

WETHENORTH

[Reck]

WETHENORTH

:lol ESPN

They had a cute little Serena had a baby video all cue up to go. Tennis is a young man's (Women's) game. Serena could not keep up.

[Reck]

You get 3.6 million dollars as the prize money? Holy shit

[lefty]

You get 3.6 million dollars as the prize money? Holy shit

Is it too late to learn tennis?

[Arcadian]

You mean Nadal?

He's coming for Fed, and he's getting some separation from Djoker. When you consider he's guaranteed to win the French every year, he's probably good for 3 more of those. And with today's win, he also won the most US Opens of this decade with 4 (Djoker had 3).

[Reck]

You mean Nadal?

He's coming for Fed, and he's getting some separation from Djoker. When you consider he's guaranteed to win the French every year, he's probably good for 3 more of those. And with today's win, he also won the most US Opens of this decade with 4 (Djoker had 3).

:lol FrostKing

[Reck]

Also women wanting equal pay when they cant even give us 3 fucking sets of excitement. This, this was a fucking match. That's how you end a tournament!

[FrostKing]

:lol FrostKing
Haha. My tennis knowledge is shallow. I just prefer Djokovic because he's slavic

[dbreiden83080]

You mean Nadal?

He's coming for Fed, and he's getting some separation from Djoker. When you consider he's guaranteed to win the French every year, he's probably good for 3 more of those. And with today's win, he also won the most US Opens of this decade with 4 (Djoker had 3).

The US Open finals makes me think some of these young guys are finally coming. Thiem has been in the French Open Finals 2 years in a row.. Nadal also has injuries that come and go. Next year will be interesting.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

17 and counting

Djokovic will break Federer’s slam record

Unreal

[dbreiden83080]

17 and counting

Djokovic will break Federer’s slam record

Unreal

We will see.. The young guys are finally coming. It started towards the end of last year with Medvedev at the US Open.. Thiem played extremely well the best he ever did on hard courts in a slam. Was up 2-1 in this match today.. Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev who also played well at the Aussie Open are coming. It Is going to be a fascinating season this year.. Thiem will he be able to finally win the French after 2 years in a row losing in the finals to Nadal? He should take this momentum and roll with it to the clay court season. Rafa will tie Fed at 20 with a French Open win this year. Can Roger win 1 more which would have to come at Wimbledon IMO? Should be very interesting this year..

[TDMVPDPOY]

did joker wasted 2years not winning anything due to marriage divorce issues?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

did joker wasted 2years not winning anything due to marriage divorce issues?

He had some bad injuries too, especially with his elbow.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

We will see.. The young guys are finally coming. It started towards the end of last year with Medvedev at the US Open.. Thiem played extremely well the best he ever did on hard courts in a slam. Was up 2-1 in this match today.. Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev who also played well at the Aussie Open are coming. It Is going to be a fascinating season this year.. Thiem will he be able to finally win the French after 2 years in a row losing in the finals to Nadal? He should take this momentum and roll with it to the clay court season. Rafa will tie Fed at 20 with a French Open win this year. Can Roger win 1 more which would have to come at Wimbledon IMO? Should be very interesting this year..

I agree that Thiem, Medvdec and Zverev are looking really good. But I still think they are two years away from being at a point where Djokovic will constantly be denied by them. Thiem looks the most promising to me.

Federer is old and broken down. After choking wimbledon badly, he crashed and burned in the quarter finals of the US Open. He also was extremely lucky to get past Milman and Tennys. He was very fortunate to be in the semi finals but props to him for fighting off those match points in the two previous rounds.

I think Federer has too much of a mental road block against Djokovic and Nadal. I'd be very stunned if he wins another slam, but who knows. If he can say healthy he can still be a pain to deal with.

Nadal probably has the french wrapped up this year, but I'd favor Novak in the three other slams. It's just frustrating when Novak goes though the motions for a set or two like he's sleep walking but his mental resolve is one of the greatest in sports history. Hopefully he can keep it up, but the gap is definitely closing with the next gen and the current gen.

[The Gemini Method]

I'd say Federer still holds the moniker but it's going to be an interesting take. Sorry, I'm just posting because I'm intrigued by tennis a little bit.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol us open is now even more open with the joker out

looks like another year he is going to waste to get more grandslams with his shenanigans

[i'm_still_beta]

The dumbest way to lose potential GS title

[DAF86]

Meh, good thing he didn't win it. This * slam didn't deserve to taint the GOAT discussion.

[FrostKing]

The Joker at it again

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/Wzz9G2X/IMG-20210221-WA0004.jpg

[i'm_still_beta]

Medvedev was awful.

Right now, it looks like it's between Rafa and Novak in the slam race

[lefty20]

Djoker will prolly end up with ~23 slams and the undisputed GOAT title. But I still don't like him. He just comes across as an arsehole.

[FrostKing]

Djoker will prolly end up with ~23 slams and the undisputed GOAT title. But I still don't like him. He just comes across as an arsehole.
Slavs especially in this generation have chip on shoulder. I personally use it as motivation.

Djokovic, Lewandowski, and Jokic; once they break that mental restriction of being born with weaker resources and diet, they challenge the record books

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It’s quickly becoming inarguable that Djokovic is the GOAT, what an all timer
Performance today wow!!!

[DAF86]

It’s quickly becoming inarguable that Djokovic is the GOAT, what an all timer
Performance today wow!!!

Key victory today. Chances are now on his favour for finishing as the winningest slam player, despite being 2 ships behind.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Key victory today. Chances are now on his favour for finishing as the winningest slam player, despite being 2 ships behind.

Hopefully by this time next year

[DAF86]

Hopefully by this time next year

I'm still hoping Roger has a Pete Sampras final run in him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

joker wasted 2 years of his prime with his divorce...seriously he was on pace to be GOAT 2 years ago

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I'm still hoping Roger has a Pete Sampras final run in him.

Him bowing out so quickly in the French makes me worry, but I wouldn’t oppose to him having one final Cinderella run

[TDMVPDPOY]

Him bowing out so quickly in the French makes me worry, but I wouldn’t oppose to him having one final Cinderella run
he will pick his fights...saving himself for grass aka wimbledon...

[Amuseddaysleeper]

he will pick his fights...saving himself for grass aka wimbledon...

Hopefully that’s the case, huge respect for him

[lefty20]

Gonna be shocked if Djoker retires with less than 22 slams.

[FrostKing]

Joker does it again crew

[dbreiden83080]

He is in the weirdest position ever. On his way to this GOAT Status, but he is NOT loved by really anyone. This man is basically tolerated.. Today being a prime example..

Tsitsipas who choked his ass off BTW, is NOT some fellow countrymen the fans were cheering for today at the French.. He is a young Greek Tennis Player trying to win his first Major, and the fans were rooting for anything positive Tsitsipas was doing, hoping he would pull it out. Novak wins the match, and he receives the polite applauds.. Going to be lonely on the top of that mountain with so little fanfare..

[dbreiden83080]

Gonna be shocked if Djoker retires with less than 22 slams.

He might win the slam this year he’s going to be a big favorite at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open. Even though you have some of these young guys starting to play great tennis they still aren’t knocking down the door. Stefanos really choked today badly. That was embarrassing to watch. Up 2 sets and then fell apart..

[lefty20]

He might win the slam this year he’s going to be a big favorite at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open. Even though you have some of these young guys starting to play great tennis they still aren’t knocking down the door. Stefanos really choked today badly. That was embarrassing to watch. Up 2 sets and then fell apart..

Next gen has a habit of choking at the biggest moments. Mfs are still waiting for their collective balls to drop.

[dbreiden83080]

Next gen has a habit of choking at the biggest moments. Mfs are still waiting for their collective balls to drop.

Stefanos this might be devastating for his career going forward honestly. His level of confidence Has to be shot to shit after that meltdown.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He is in the weirdest position ever. On his way to this GOAT Status, but he is NOT loved by really anyone. This man is basically tolerated.. Today being a prime example..

Tsitsipas who choked his ass off BTW, is NOT some fellow countrymen the fans were cheering for today at the French.. He is a young Greek Tennis Player trying to win his first Major, and the fans were rooting for anything positive Tsitsipas was doing, hoping he would pull it out. Novak wins the match, and he receives the polite applauds.. Going to be lonely on the top of that mountain with so little fanfare..

I honestly think Djokvoic might be the most underrated athlete of all time. I understood early in his career with too many medical timeouts grating on people but the fact that this far into his career he’s still booed 95% of the time is insane. Such a shame for the GOAT

[dbreiden83080]

I honestly think Djokvoic might be the most underrated athlete of all time. I understood early in his career with too many medical timeouts grating on people but the fact that this far into his career he’s still booed 95% of the time is insane. Such a shame for the GOAT

He has rubbed people the wrong way far too many times at age 34 to change it now..

Unless these young guns start playing bigger in the big matches, he likely retires with 24 or 25 GS titles.. But to little fanfare..

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/nmK87qz/Screenshot-20210728-134412-Chrome.jpg

[140]

:lmao

[lefty20]

Best of 3 ain't best of 5. It's a near certainty that he wins US Open, tbh.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

guy looks like a total bitch nigga imo

[MandyLiado]

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[Amuseddaysleeper]

The topic title holds true more than ever

[lefty20]

That should put Djoker in the Finals. No way a mental midget like Zverev can come back from a break down in the 5th against him.

[lefty20]

And broken again... GG!

[lefty20]

Well this is awkward....

Still the GOAT doe, tbh.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Well this is awkward....

Still the GOAT doe, tbh.

[140]

The topic title holds true more than ever
Don't you ever get tired of looking like a retard? :lmao

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Don't you ever get tired of looking like a retard? :lmao

Don’t be a fucking idiot, everyone and their mother knows Djokovic is the GOAT you moron :lol

[DAF86]

I still think prime Fed beats prime Djoke. But then again, prime Nadal beats prime Federer, and prime djokovic beats prime Rafa.

[pgardn]

Even though I think Nadal is the weakest of the three discussed as a pure tennis player , Nadal never thinks he is beaten unless he is injured. Joker knew he was finished. He knew on this day against this kid, I will lose. Definitely not an inspiring match.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Even though I think Nadal is the weakest of the three discussed as a pure tennis player , Nadal never thinks he is beaten unless he is injured. Joker knew he was finished. He knew on this day against this kid, I will lose. Definitely not an inspiring match.

I still say Djokovic has the best mentality by far of the big 3 with fed having three worst. But Djokovic was lacklustre in the us open final

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I still think prime Fed beats prime Djoke. But then again, prime Nadal beats prime Federer, and prime djokovic beats prime Rafa.

Djokovic 2011 and 2015 surpasses both primes of Federer and nadal

[DAF86]

Djokovic 2011 and 2015 surpasses both primes of Federer and nadal

Nothing surpasses 2006 Federer. Nothing.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nothing surpasses 2006 Federer. Nothing.

2006 had significantly weaker competition than djokovic in 2011 and 2015, Fed had the easiest era between 2004-2007 and then Nadal and Djokovic overtook him onward.

[DAF86]

2006 had significantly weaker competition than djokovic in 2011 and 2015, Fed had the easiest era between 2004-2007 and then Nadal and Djokovic overtook him onward.

Federer, Nadal, Murray and Djokovic (granted, these two not what they became later, but already quite good), Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Nalbandian, Wawrinka, Ferrer, Ferrero, Davydenko, Blake.

That was quite the competion, tbh. Certainly much better than what we have now.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Federer, Nadal, Murray and Djokovic (granted, these two not what they became later, but already quite good), Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Nalbandian, Wawrinka, Ferrer, Ferrero, Davydenko, Blake.

That was quite the competion, tbh. Certainly much better than what we have now.

Better than 2021, no arguments there but not as good as 2011 where Djokovic was pretty much unplayable and 2015 was absolutely absurd as well.

2006 Federer was obviously incredible in his own right.

[pgardn]

I still say Djokovic has the best mentality by far of the big 3 with fed having three worst. But Djokovic was lacklustre in the us open final

He quit because he knew he was convinced he could not win.
The Russian gave him and in and showed the choke for him and Joker did not jump on it.
Definitely NOT as mentally tough as Nadal. No one is. But definitely more talented.

Nadal's strokes are the most inefficient of the 3 thus the injuries.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He quit because he knew he was convinced he could not win.
The Russian gave him and in and showed the choke for him and Joker did not jump on it.
Definitely NOT as mentally tough as Nadal. No one is. But definitely more talented.

Nadal's strokes are the most inefficient of the 3 thus the injuries.

1000% more mentally tough than Nadal. Even nadal knows it, Djokovic owns him and even came back from a 5-0 first set deficit to crush Nadal. Statistically no one has had more comebacks than Djokovic. Nadal has never even been in a position for a calendar slam.

[pgardn]

1000% more mentally tough than Nadal. Even nadal knows it, Djokovic owns him and even came back from a 5-0 first set deficit to crush Nadal. Statistically no one has had more comebacks than Djokovic. Nadal has never even been in a position for a calendar slam.

No fn way.
Nadal is NOT the Nadal of old. You cant see this? He has the desire, he does not have the ability. Either does Federer. Djokovic is a fantastic tennis player but the wins now are definitely EASIER because 2 of the big 3 are in free fall. Nadal will never win Wimbledon again, never. He still has a chance in the French if things go right. Federer will never win the French open again or the US open again (possibly no major again, his court coverage is gone). Even if Joker is NOT in these tournaments. They are in decline. Its called age. ANd for Nadal, horrible strokes to last a lifetime. Joker still has mental issues and it showed up in his inability in the Olympics and the US open. He is clearly better at controlling himself, but STRAIGHT SETS? Thats a joke. With the German choking the last set and Djokovic flat out had no response as he had already given up. This was absolutely obvious. Im not arguing about his place in history. Im arguing about his will. Its better, but its still not Nadal level. And this is getting closer to the end of Prime Time for Djokovic. Another bad injury and... he goes away better, but not unlike Sampras. Sampras finished on top. Others will come.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

No fn way.
Nadal is NOT the Nadal of old. You cant see this? He has the desire, he does not have the ability. Either does Federer. Djokovic is a fantastic tennis player but the wins now are definitely EASIER because 2 of the big 3 are in free fall. Nadal will never win Wimbledon again, never. He still has a chance in the French if things go right. Federer will never win the French open again or the US open again (possibly no major again, his court coverage is gone). Even if Joker is NOT in these tournaments. They are in decline. Its called age. ANd for Nadal, horrible strokes to last a lifetime. Joker still has mental issues and it showed up in his inability in the Olympics and the US open. He is clearly better at controlling himself, but STRAIGHT SETS? Thats a joke. With the German choking the last set and Djokovic flat out had no response as he had already given up. This was absolutely obvious. Im not arguing about his place in history. Im arguing about his will. Its better, but its still not Nadal level. And this is getting closer to the end of Prime Time for Djokovic. Another bad injury and... he goes away better, but not unlike Sampras. Sampras finished on top. Others will come.


Djokovic was down 2 sets constantly, and still fought back everytime. This is a guy who fend of double championship point to Federer as well as multiple match points in 2010 and 2011 to an in prime federer. No tennis player in history has the mental fortitude that djokovic had. Because he lost to zverev and Medvedev doesn’t mean he is all of a sudden mentally weak. He just came back to beat zverev a few months after the Olympics being two sets down.

It’s absolute bs to say “nadal is trying despite being injured” when Djokovic completely turned the tables on nadal on nadals best service. Historically Djokovic is the mentally toughest player in tennis history. Has had far more match turnaround than nadal. I’d put nadal second all time for mental toughness and just because he didn’t make all time history this calendar year doesn’t change that.

And Djokovic has annihilated nadal in straight sets like the Austrian open. Nadal also blew a 5-0 lead and momentum to Djokovic just this year. To keep crying about straight sets as though Djokovic didn’t play 6 more hours of tennis than Medvedev is insane. Djokovic is getting older too but takes care of himself better than nadal. He’s far hungrier than nadal too. Nadal even said as much when saying getting the all time slam count means more to Djokovic than it does to nadal.

Mentally it’s Djokovic all day. Medvedev is number two on the world and played phenomenally well. But it’s weak to use excuses everytime for nadal but when it’s Djokovic it’s down to being mentally weak. Everyone and their mother knows Djokovic is the mentally toughest tennis player in history

[pgardn]

Djokovic was down 2 sets constantly, and still fought back everytime. This is a guy who fend of double championship point to Federer as well as multiple match points in 2010 and 2011 to an in prime federer. No tennis player in history has the mental fortitude that djokovic had. Because he lost to zverev and Medvedev doesn’t mean he is all of a sudden mentally weak. He just came back to beat zverev a few months after the Olympics being two sets down.

It’s absolute bs to say “nadal is trying despite being injured” when Djokovic completely turned the tables on nadal on nadals best service. Historically Djokovic is the mentally toughest player in tennis history. Has had far more match turnaround than nadal. I’d put nadal second all time for mental toughness and just because he didn’t make all time history this calendar year doesn’t change that.

And Djokovic has annihilated nadal in straight sets like the Austrian open. Nadal also blew a 5-0 lead and momentum to Djokovic just this year. To keep crying about straight sets as though Djokovic didn’t play 6 more hours of tennis than Medvedev is insane. Djokovic is getting older too but takes care of himself better than nadal. He’s far hungrier than nadal too. Nadal even said as much when saying getting the all time slam count means more to Djokovic than it does to nadal.

Mentally it’s Djokovic all day. Medvedev is number two on the world and played phenomenally well. But it’s weak to use excuses everytime for nadal but when it’s Djokovic it’s down to being mentally weak. Everyone and their mother knows Djokovic is the mentally toughest tennis player in history

He is better. But no way can you discount his temper tantrums and early meltdowns that cost one of the most gifted athletes ever in the sport.
Of course the slam means more to Djokovic. Because he and he alone has the physical ability to get it NOW. Nadal does not. So that statement is totally irrelevant.

I will take Nadal every day of the week in a mental matchup with any player in history. And I dont really even like the guy... constantly picking at his butt.
You are madly off. You watched the guy die in the Olympics and in Straight sets at the US open when going for the biggest slam ever. Sorry Djokovic had to play more tennis and could not finish off opponents in the US open. Tough playing could have solved this problem.

[pgardn]

Djokovic was down 2 sets constantly, and still fought back everytime. This is a guy who fend of double championship point to Federer as well as multiple match points in 2010 and 2011 to an in prime federer. No tennis player in history has the mental fortitude that djokovic had. Because he lost to zverev and Medvedev doesn’t mean he is all of a sudden mentally weak. He just came back to beat zverev a few months after the Olympics being two sets down.

It’s absolute bs to say “nadal is trying despite being injured” when Djokovic completely turned the tables on nadal on nadals best service. Historically Djokovic is the mentally toughest player in tennis history. Has had far more match turnaround than nadal. I’d put nadal second all time for mental toughness and just because he didn’t make all time history this calendar year doesn’t change that.

And Djokovic has annihilated nadal in straight sets like the Austrian open. Nadal also blew a 5-0 lead and momentum to Djokovic just this year. To keep crying about straight sets as though Djokovic didn’t play 6 more hours of tennis than Medvedev is insane. Djokovic is getting older too but takes care of himself better than nadal. He’s far hungrier than nadal too. Nadal even said as much when saying getting the all time slam count means more to Djokovic than it does to nadal.

Mentally it’s Djokovic all day. Medvedev is number two on the world and played phenomenally well. But it’s weak to use excuses everytime for nadal but when it’s Djokovic it’s down to being mentally weak. Everyone and their mother knows Djokovic is the mentally toughest tennis player in history

He is better. But no way can you discount his temper tantrums and early meltdowns that cost one of the most gifted athletes ever in the sport.
Of course the slam means more to Djokovic. Because he and he alone has the physical ability to get it NOW. Nadal does not. So that statement is totally irrelevant.

I will take Nadal every day of the week in a mental matchup with any player in history. And I dont really even like the guy... constantly picking at his butt.
You are madly off. You watched the guy die in the Olympics and in Straight sets at the US open when going for the biggest slam ever. Sorry Djokovic had to play more tennis and could not finish off opponents in the US open. Tough playing could have solved this problem. He gave up in the finals of the US OPEN! No physical problems.

End of story. 3 sets and off.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He is better. But no way can you discount his temper tantrums and early meltdowns that cost one of the most gifted athletes ever in the sport.
Of course the slam means more to Djokovic. Because he and he alone has the physical ability to get it NOW. Nadal does not. So that statement is totally irrelevant.

I will take Nadal every day of the week in a mental matchup with any player in history. And I dont really even like the guy... constantly picking at his butt.
You are madly off. You watched the guy die in the Olympics and in Straight sets at the US open when going for the biggest slam ever. Sorry Djokovic had to play more tennis and could not finish off opponents in the US open. Tough playing could have solved this problem. He gave up in the finals of the US OPEN! No physical problems.

End of story. 3 sets and off.


Bs what a moronic take, so when nadal chokes badly on his favorite surface it is down to injuries but when Djokovic loses to an opponent while Novak has played six (!) more hours of tennis then it’s down to Novak choking? Nadal has choked a lot to Djokovic, Djokovic has annihilated where was this elite nadal mentality then? Watch more tennis, as the iconic comeback moments from Djokovic career wise FAR outshines nadal. Using a loss to the world #2 while nadal gets knocked out slam after slam to players inferior to him outside of Djokovic in recent years. But I’m sure you’ll have an excuse for nadal as well despite Djokovic owning him

Nadal isn’t nearly as clutch as Djokovic, period and every metric backs that up if you’ve actually watched tennis over the past 10+ years

[pgardn]

Bs what a moronic take, so when nadal chokes badly on his favorite surface it is down to injuries but when Djokovic loses to an opponent while Novak has played six (!) more hours of tennis then it’s down to Novak choking? Nadal has choked a lot to Djokovic, Djokovic has annihilated where was this elite nadal mentality then? Watch more tennis, as the iconic comeback moments from Djokovic career wise FAR outshines nadal. Using a loss to the world #2 while nadal gets knocked out slam after slam to players inferior to him outside of Djokovic in recent years. But I’m sure you’ll have an excuse for nadal as well despite Djokovic owning him

Nadal isn’t nearly as clutch as Djokovic, period and every metric backs that up if you’ve actually watched tennis over the past 10+ years

You totally are getting mixed up between mental toughness of an inferior athlete and a fantastic athlete who is also a great tennis player.
You are the one who does not know this game. Djokovic is YOUNGER, and got more control over his game mentally while his major competitors, Nadal and Federer, are on their way out. Djokovic was the guy that SHOULD beat these guys because he IS a better athlete, even better than Federer during his prime. Djokovic moves better imo. I believe Federer was the pinnacle of the beautifully efficient Tennis stroke. NOW Djokovic is beating these guys (so are a lot of other players) while totally dropping the ball on what would have been one of the greatest feats in Tennis.
You dont get it.
Who surrounds you makes you great. Djokovic has gotten past the point of these guys being able to beat him. They are just not good enough, they are way past prime. So a German kid slaughters him in Straight SETS and he gives up? Thats not the model.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You totally are getting mixed up between mental toughness of an inferior athlete and a fantastic athlete who is also a great tennis player.
You are the one who does not know this game. Djokovic is YOUNGER, and got more control over his game mentally while his major competitors, Nadal and Federer, are on their way out. Djokovic was the guy that SHOULD beat these guys because he IS a better athlete, even better than Federer during his prime. Djokovic moves better imo. I believe Federer was the pinnacle of the beautifully efficient Tennis stroke. NOW Djokovic is beating these guys (so are a lot of other players) while totally dropping the ball on what would have been one of the greatest feats in Tennis.
You dont get it.
Who surrounds you makes you great. Djokovic has gotten past the point of these guys being able to beat him. They are just not good enough, they are way past prime. So a German kid slaughters him in Straight SETS and he gives up? Thats not the model.

You use the younger argument for nadal and Federer despite only 2 years difference between nadal and Djokovic but when a much younger zverev beats Djokovic it men as Djokovic is weak? The same zverev who
Also beat nadal twice in the last 2 years? It’s absolute bs, Djokovic mentality has always been FAR better than nadals and the h2h and number of epic comebacks Djokovic has had in comparison to nadal seals it.

And Federer had weak competition from 2004-2006 and nadal won 75% of his GS slams on one surface where Djokovic beat him twice on. Hell, nadal choked a 5-0 lead in his favorite surface to Djokovic.

Literally every “clutch” metric favours Djokovic over nadal, but yes, loving to zverev therefore means Djokovic’s superb mentality over his entire career is done for despite being the GOAT mentality and in regards to skill. Yeah, okay :tu


https://lobandsmash.com/2020/06/09/novak-djokovic-the-best-player-of-the-biggest-points/

[Amuseddaysleeper]

And Djokovic gets revenge and has another great comeback in a final after going down a set, this time in a 3 setter. Medvedev is a beast though.

Pgardn you must be happy Nadal says he’ll play the Australian open. That’s a pleasant surprise. Hopefully Djokovic gets over his moronic anti-vax and is able to play the AO as well, as I believe they are (rightly) making vaccination a requirement to play

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Pete Sampras: “I do think what Novak’s done over the past 10 years, winning the majors, being consistent, finishing No. 1 for seven years, to me it’s a clear sign that he is the greatest of all time.”
News
Sampras’ involvement with the sport today consists of watching televised matches and rallying with his 16-year-old son, Ryan Nikolaos.

“For fun,” Sampras said. “I still enjoy hitting tennis balls. But it comes down to the movement and serving, the body doesn’t quite want to do it.”

He believes Djokovic will wind up with the most majors. That Djokovic came within one win of a Grand Slam – in this age of the Internet, with social media pressure and global coverage – impressed Sampras deeply.

“Seven years, for him, I’m sure he sees it as a bonus to all the majors that he’s won,” Sampras said. “But I think he’ll appreciate it more as he gets older. He did it at a time where he dominated two of the greats, in Roger and Rafa, and he handled the next generation of players very well – all at the same time.

“I do think what Novak’s done over the past 10 years, winning the majors, being consistent, finishing No. 1 for seven years, to me it’s a clear sign that he is the greatest of all time.”

Source (https://www.atptour.com/en/news/celebrating-djokovic-record-seven-finishes-at-year-end-no-1)

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/gtJrp0R/581t9yyewnb81.jpg

[pgardn]

And Djokovic gets revenge and has another great comeback in a final after going down a set, this time in a 3 setter. Medvedev is a beast though.

Pgardn you must be happy Nadal says he’ll play the Australian open. That’s a pleasant surprise. Hopefully Djokovic gets over his moronic anti-vax and is able to play the AO as well, as I believe they are (rightly) making vaccination a requirement to play

I want Djokovic AND Federer to beat Nadal every time they play. I believe they are/were both better players.
I respect Nadal, but dont think he is a gifted. He is the toughest competitor since Jimmy Connors (probably the least talented guy to win a number of majors).

btw I just looked at when Borg quit. AT 24. He won 5 Wimbledon's in a row and numerous French Opens and Australian Opens. Never the US open because he claimed the lights played hell on his eyes.
So if you wanted to use some magic potion on Borg way back when burn out was a problem, Borg very well could have played the best tennis (given the equipment) we have ever seen.

This is fun.

[lefty20]

And... he's gone.

Not an all court player afterall, tbh.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/LZpxg0p/Screenshot-20220117-103710-Chrome.jpg

They trying to black ball this Man

[lefty]

lol the ego on Djokovic

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[TDMVPDPOY]

seems like they stopping him from being the Goat for his choices....

meanwhile tosb nadal and swiss master trying to get that +21

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[lefty20]

What a fucking comeback by Rafa. Thought he was done for sure when got down 0-40 at 2-3 on 3rd set.

GOAT argument not done yet.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

What a fucking comeback by Rafa. Thought he was done for sure when got down 0-40 at 2-3 on 3rd set.

GOAT argument not done yet.


Amazing from Rafa, he looked dead tired and pulled it off. He should be the favourite for #22 at the French.

Hopefully this gets novaxx the needle.

But massive props to Rafa, wow what a great match.

[pgardn]

I thought the Russian lost it because he likes pissing off the crowd and the crowd definitely got to him.
Nadal is just mentally on another level. No way he should win that tournament. That kid is a better player right now.
Djokovic would have destroyed him on that surface. Also, if it would have been really hot, and Novaxx would have actually cared about his profession, he would have cruised in this tourney.

[lefty]

Amazing from Rafa, he looked dead tired and pulled it off. He should be the favourite for #22 at the French.

Hopefully this gets novaxx the needle.

But massive props to Rafa, wow what a great match.

Rafa is so so strong between the ears, that nikka never gives up

And he would have destroyed Djokobitch anyway

[pgardn]

Rafa is so so strong between the ears, that nikka never gives up

And he would have destroyed Djokobitch anyway

I am going to have to disagree with this Leftman.
But we will never know because Novaxx is above the rules.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Rafa is so so strong between the ears, that nikka never gives up

And he would have destroyed Djokobitch anyway

LOL, no Djokvoic owns nadal historically. Djokovic has more comebacks from 2 sets down and facing match point than any player in history.

But Rafa is good, imo.

[lefty20]

Looks like Djoker is gonna raise white flag against the French and get the shot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/si5zjm/reports_from_serbia_djokovic_to_get_covid_vaccine/

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Looks like Djoker is gonna raise white flag against the French and get the shot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/si5zjm/reports_from_serbia_djokovic_to_get_covid_vaccine/

Oh thank god!

[lefty]

I am going to have to disagree with this Leftman.
But we will never know because Novaxx is above the rules.


LOL, no Djokvoic owns nadal historically. Djokovic has more comebacks from 2 sets down and facing match point than any player in history.

But Rafa is good, imo.
You are probably right

But I'm biased


SO I DISAGREE

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You are probably right

But I'm biased


SO I DISAGREE


Hahahaha, this is exactly the best thing about the internet :lol

[pgardn]

You are probably right

But I'm biased


SO I DISAGREE

Rafa has a huge fanbase due to his will to try and win. He is/was the greatest player on clay, a surface that begs for excruciatingly long rallies and he just owns it.

But imo he is just not as talented as Novaxx or Federer in his day. The later two players make tennis look easy. Rafa makes it look like pure hell. And his body has paid for his inefficient strokes. But my God he is a fighter. Maximum tough. Btw he looked very bulked up for the Australian… along with losing hair in patches bigly… roidal… hints of roidal. But maybe not.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Novaxx :lol

[lefty]

Rafa has a huge fanbase due to his will to try and win. He is/was the greatest player on clay, a surface that begs for excruciatingly long rallies and he just owns it.
.
I'm super competitive and I'm left handed so I naturally root for Nadal lol

[140]

Imagine stanning for a retard like novaxx :lol

amused :lmao:lmao:lmao

[lefty]

Imagine stanning for a retard like novaxx :lol

amused :lmao:lmao:lmao

:lol

[lefty20]

Still a GOAT lvl player but yeah, he's got mush for brains.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/05/novak-djokovic-psuedoscience-babble


“I’ve seen people and I know some people that, through that energetical [sic] transformation, through the power of prayer, through the power of gratitude, they manage to turn the most toxic food or the most polluted water, into the most healing water,” Djokovic said


https://au.sports.yahoo.com/novak-djokovic-exclusive-apos-cried-090000235.html


“I just cried for two or three days.” So says Novak Djokovic, the new world No 1 (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/11/05/novak-djokovic-went-rock-bottom-world-no-1/), as we speed through the streets of Paris in a shiny SUV. “I cried after I had the surgery on my elbow. Every time I thought about what I did, I felt like I had failed myself.”

[lefty20]

Fucking Rafa man... Dude's mental fortitude is on a different stratosphere when compared to Fed's. And I say this as a Fed stan.

[pgardn]

Fucking Rafa man... Dude's mental fortitude is on a different stratosphere when compared to Fed's. And I say this as a Fed stan.

He is relentless.
Like I said before I don’t think he is the most talented, but on the clay, it plays right into his strength of winning long mentally taxing rallies.
This being said, time, along with wear and tear of his strokes, can get him beat on his best surface. Looks like he’s healthy. It’s tenuous though.

If he’s healthy, he is totally unfazed and just seems like losing does not ever enter his mind; as long as he is standing. He seems to always believe if the matches keep going he will eventually win. Somewhat like his favorite football team did this year in the CL.

These kind of players… I wonder how comfortable they are after it all ends. When they don’t grind through huge exertions anymore after so many tournaments. These individual sports are a different beast.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/g3NyZfs/20220601-233514.jpg

[Reck]

Been trying to find a replay of the match but have come empty handed thus far. Sounds like a must watch instant classic.

[Reck]

Nadal wins. The finals were anticlimactic. He destroyed that Ruud guy.

[lefty20]

Nadal wins. The finals were anticlimactic. He destroyed that Ruud guy.

And he did it on one leg :lol

Next gen and next next gen prolly be getting curb stomped by Rafa/Djoker for another 2-3 years.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see one of them do the impossible and win a GS on the wrong side of 40.

[pgardn]

And he did it on one leg :lol

Next gen and next next gen prolly be getting curb stomped by Rafa/Djoker for another 2-3 years.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see one of them do the impossible and win a GS on the wrong side of 40.

I think Nadal might be close to done.
He had to have injections. He cant keep doing this treatment.

[lefty20]

I think Nadal might be close to done.
He had to have injections. He cant keep doing this treatment.

Idk man, I've counted him out a couple times before and have been proven (really, really) wrong thus far. Now, I'm gonna assume he's gonna keep fighting on the courts until his leg literally falls off.... "till the wheels fall off"

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Massive props to Nadal, amazing year so far

[lefty]

Nadaaaaaal

My nikka

[pgardn]

Nadal has to be considered the most difficult opponent of all time.
I still have a hard time with calling him the best of all time considering what Borg did and then quit so early.
The supposed comeback was so half hearted. Borg definitely the quickest of all.

It so hard to compare when the rackets changed so much.
Sampras just getting bored and really never changing his game to meet some particular challenge.
Even McEnroe not having a sports psychologist work with him. He needed someone to calm him the fk down. McEnroe, with those crappy rackets, could put his serve where ever he wanted and at whatever speed the racket was capable of. The volleying of McEnroe and the touch was other worldly.

Very difficult. There is no Jordan imo.

Maybe Joker regains his sanity. I have a feeling that other kid from Spain might be the next dominant player. Give him two years.

[lefty]

Well it's hard to compare eras tbh

[lefty20]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nadal-says-pain-free-first-145049926.html


"I can walk normal most of the days, almost every single day. That's for me the main issue," said the 36-year-old Spaniard at Wimbledon on Saturday."When I wake up, I don't have this pain that I was having for the last year and a half, so quite happy about that.
"And second thing, practising. Since the last two weeks, I didn't have one day of these terrible days that I can't move at all. The feeling and overall feelings are positive."

RiP ATP, tbh.

[pgardn]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nadal-says-pain-free-first-145049926.html



RiP ATP, tbh.

He’s playing Wimbledon without the injections apparently.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nadal has to be considered the most difficult opponent of all time.
I still have a hard time with calling him the best of all time considering what Borg did and then quit so early.
The supposed comeback was so half hearted. Borg definitely the quickest of all.

It so hard to compare when the rackets changed so much.
Sampras just getting bored and really never changing his game to meet some particular challenge.
Even McEnroe not having a sports psychologist work with him. He needed someone to calm him the fk down. McEnroe, with those crappy rackets, could put his serve where ever he wanted and at whatever speed the racket was capable of. The volleying of McEnroe and the touch was other worldly.

Very difficult. There is no Jordan imo.

Maybe Joker regains his sanity. I have a feeling that other kid from Spain might be the next dominant player. Give him two years.


I am still stunned about Djokovic's principles over his entire career. Such a bizarre hill to die on. Wimbledon will be his last GS of the year. Oof.

[lefty]

Maybe Joker regains his sanity.
I see what you did there

https://media0.giphy.com/media/FbZYCW78PANyM/giphy.gif

[lefty20]

I am still stunned about Djokovic's principles over his entire career. Such a bizarre hill to die on. Wimbledon will be his last GS of the year. Oof.

Considering the other comments he's made on modern medicine, his stance on this particular issue is hardly surprising. Dude's just an idiot, tbh.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Considering the other comments he's made on modern medicine, his stance on this particular issue is hardly surprising. Dude's just an idiot, tbh.

Yeah true. He refused to get elbow surgery for the longest time because it means his body isn't pure. I love him on the court, but off the court he's as insane as Kyrie :lol

[pgardn]

I see what you did there

https://media0.giphy.com/media/FbZYCW78PANyM/giphy.gif

Seriously.
If one tries stuff like this on the political board in never works.
"What cryptic language are you trying to speak peagarden?"

[pgardn]

The clay to grass switch is incredibly tough.
The number one seed lady got beaten.

If Nadal takes this one it will sort of be by attrition. But it will also be because he is by far the greatest on clay and can adapt.
Grass really should not fit his game at all. Borg won Wimbledon 5 times in a row, and the French Open 4 times in a row.
For such a short career.... holy shit... And I say short because he tried a comeback and it was useless. He wanted nothing to do with Tennis.
If Borg had his athleticism and Nadal's head...

[lefty20]

Pretty good comeback by the Djoker today.

Fingers crossed for a Rafa v Djoker finals.

[pgardn]

Rafa pulls out.
Really wanted him to play the nutty Australian who is supposedly also injured.

[FrostKing]

Pretty good comeback by the Djoker today.

Fingers crossed for a Rafa v Djoker finals.
Saw this. Joker down 0-2 and even early in the 3rd. Guy is a machine today.

[SpursforSix]

Rafa pulls out.
Really wanted him to play the nutty Australian who is supposedly also injured.

I used to watch tennis quite a bit. Really enjoyed the years where there was a reasonable expectation that one of the favorites might not win. Thinking of guys like Agassi and Chang. Here's a link that you only have to glance at to see how dominant the big three have been. About 10% down the page I guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grand_Slam_men%27s_singles_champions

[pgardn]

I used to watch tennis quite a bit. Really enjoyed the years where there was a reasonable expectation that one of the favorites might not win. Thinking of guys like Agassi and Chang. Here's a link that you only have to glance at to see how dominant the big three have been. About 10% down the page I guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grand_Slam_men%27s_singles_champions

Look at Borg 1976-81

And then he retired.
My God.

Your list is where I understood how good this guy was. No US open Championships because he was horrible at night. He could not see. The later stages of the US open were played at night.
If you watch old you tubes of him its clear to me he is most likely the quickest tennis player ever. His side to side movement was other worldly.
He would have made a fantastic short stop in baseball.

Borg's retirement crushed McEnroe. McEnroe stated Borg was so good he got severely depressed about not being able to play him. It gave McEnroe what he thought was a real goal. But again, tennis was such a different sport back then. Borg had his rackets strung at such a high tension (to get pace on the ball) they would often just fold up on him.
Also Sampras basically called it quits because the faster surfaces were a bit too easy for him.

This is why it is possible sports psychologists might be important for individual sports. Its such a grind.
Oh. I found out some of the chess guys use psychologists. I just find it amazing. I would definitely burn out if I was actually that good at one thing.

[SpursforSix]

Look at Borg 1976-81

And then he retired.
My God.

Your list is where I understood how good this guy was. No US open Championships because he was horrible at night. He could not see. The later stages of the US open were played at night.
If you watch old you tubes of him its clear to me he is most likely the quickest tennis player ever. His side to side movement was other worldly.
He would have made a fantastic short stop in baseball.

Borg's retirement crushed McEnroe. McEnroe stated Borg was so good he got severely depressed about not being able to play him. It gave McEnroe what he thought was a real goal. But again, tennis was such a different sport back then. Borg had his rackets strung at such a high tension (to get pace on the ball) they would often just fold up on him.
Also Sampras basically called it quits because the faster surfaces were a bit too easy for him.

This is why it is possible sports psychologists might be important for individual sports. Its such a grind.
Oh. I found out some of the chess guys use psychologists. I just find it amazing. I would definitely burn out if I was actually that good at one thing.

Borg was brilliant. And it's hard to compare those guys with the current generation. Training, equipment, etc. I used to play tennis as a little kid and started off with a wood racquet, then aluminum. Then picked it up again in college as a rec class and had a wide body graphite (think it was graphite) racquet. Not withstanding the power gain, it was so damn easy to use.

I assume you saw the Borg movie?

[pgardn]

Borg was brilliant. And it's hard to compare those guys with the current generation. Training, equipment, etc. I used to play tennis as a little kid and started off with a wood racquet, then aluminum. Then picked it up again in college as a rec class and had a wide body graphite (think it was graphite) racquet. Not withstanding the power gain, it was so damn easy to use.

I assume you saw the Borg movie?

No I did not.
Ive watched the you tubes.
Title? Is it currently streaming?

[pgardn]

And I know he tried to commit suicide.

[SpursforSix]

No I did not.
Ive watched the you tubes.
Title? Is it currently streaming?

I think it's on HBO. Not sure. Borg vs. McEnroe.

[lefty20]

Yup, Djoker and Rafa gonna keep winning for a while.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

No I did not.
Ive watched the you tubes.
Title? Is it currently streaming?

https://youtu.be/etg6AvAwRoU

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Yup, Djoker and Rafa gonna keep winning for a while.

Gutted nadal had to pull out, dude is such a warrior.

This was djokovic’s last slam of the year but I reckon both him and nadal will still be up there next year.

[FrostKing]

Joker did it again

Not coming to USA Open. Fail for Americans.

This Slav gonna power into GOAT

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Crazy Nadal hasn't beaten Novak in a non-clay Grand Slam since 2013. I think Novak will play in AUS open and will get his ban overturned. Hopefully we can get some final Nadal/Joker matches before all is said and done.

[lefty]

Joker did it again

Not coming to USA Open. Fail for Americans.

This Slav gonna power into GOAT


There are plenty of great players, US open is gonna be fine without that self centered ass clown :lol

[FrostKing]

There are plenty of great players, US open is gonna be fine without that self centered ass clown :lol
Sir, you are stock piling the L's

No one watching without the Beast from East

[lefty20]

Some crazy upsets in Tennis in the last 24 hrs.

Kyrgios vs Med was not entirely unexpected but Tiafoe bouncing Rafa is a shocker.

[GAustex]

Kind of poetic justice with Nadal going out with the way Djokovic is being treated

[lefty]

the way Djokovic is being treated
:cry poor victim

[lefty20]

Tiafoe looking solid boys and the field is wide open.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/qCb6rnd/Screen-Shot-2022-09-10-at-3-14-42-AM.png

[FrostKing]

Sir, you are stock piling the L's

No one watching without the Beast from East
I meant Świątek

[lefty20]

Big time props to Alcaraz. Kid is definitely legit.


Can't wait to see how he follows up on this spectacular year.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/SrvzLzC/Screenshot-20220915-095858-Chrome.jpg

[lefty20]

Thus begins the end of the big 3 era :depressed

Wonder if Alcaraz, Rudd, Sinner and co. will manage to keep the other two from winning slams. It's prolly the only way they will think about hanging up the racket.

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/mnLdAeSXZv0

Still remember like it was yesterday. Can't believe 2019.

[GAustex]

Aussie’s come to their senses and let the GOAT in

[pgardn]

Aussie’s come to their senses and let the GOAT in

He just delayed his Grand Slam totals by being an idiot.
Get the damn needle and play your sport asshole.

Next it will be, "I dont want to wear white a Wimbledon." such a baby...
But a fantastic athlete.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He just delayed his Grand Slam totals by being an idiot.
Get the damn needle and play your sport asshole.

Next it will be, "I dont want to wear white a Wimbledon." such a baby...
But a fantastic athlete.

I'm still so annoyed by it. Like fuck.

[GAustex]

He just delayed his Grand Slam totals by being an idiot.
Get the damn needle and play your sport asshole.

Next it will be, "I dont want to wear white a Wimbledon." such a baby...
But a fantastic athlete.
Fuck that shot

The rest of your post is drivel

[pgardn]

Fuck that shot

The rest of your post is drivel

like you have not been vaccinated.... be an idiot but not in the same locker room as other pro athletes dumb fk.

And you do not think Joker is a superior athlete? that drivel. Along with the number of women you claim to have had.
You dont know sports.
At all.

[GAustex]

like you have not been vaccinated.... be an idiot but not in the same locker room as other pro athletes dumb fk.

And you do not think Joker is a superior athlete? that drivel. Along with the number of women you claim to have had.
You dont know sports.
At all.
Jackwagon you claimed the GOAT complained about wearing white.
Idiot

[pgardn]

Jackwagon you claimed the GOAT complained about wearing white.
Idiot

Its joke of about the same level as him not getting poked.
thats why its stupid.
He needs to play, not think like some sort of stupid 17th century dork practicing witchcraft.
Maybe he will refuse to play on court #13 next.

[lefty20]

Alcaraz out of Aussie open due to leg injury.

This is now Djoker's to lose.

Meddy and Kyrgios are prone to meltdowns and Rafa shouldn't be able to contend with Djoker on HC.

Can't think of anyone else with a fighting chance.

[lefty20]

Rafa knocked out due to poor play from a hip issue.

Kyrgios withdrew right before the start of the tourney.

Things looking good for Djoker.

[pgardn]

4 Americans into the 4th round?

All no names really.
What happened to this tournament… it’s really low level.

[lefty20]

4 Americans into the 4th round?

All no names really.
What happened to this tournament… it’s really low level.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/10ief88/the_curse_is_complete_update_on_netflix_curse/

[GAustex]

Pure blood for the win

[FrostKing]

Joker at it again

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/7n6Zv36/Screenshot-20230127-121303-Chrome.jpg

[lefty20]

https://i.ibb.co/7n6Zv36/Screenshot-20230127-121303-Chrome.jpg

Jumping ahead a lil bit here... but I can already imagine a French Open finals meeting between these two for all the marbles.

Fingers crossed, tbh.

[pgardn]

Jumping ahead a lil bit here... but I can already imagine a French Open finals meeting between these two for all the marbles.

Fingers crossed, tbh.

Nadal needs to spend all his time on getting healed as Djokovic is just better now.
Even on clay. Nadal has to get his body back for one last time.
Djokovic still has a chance at winning the most all time major titles at one venue.
Idiot forfeited an entire Australian like a dumbass to make it more difficult.

[GAustex]

Pure blood for the win

[Amuseddaysleeper]

GOAT gonna GOAT

[lefty20]

One of the easiest slam runs ever. Prolly up there with Federer's run where he faced Bhagdatis in the finals.

[GAustex]

Covidians take the L

[pgardn]

Covidians take the L

He played by the rules that are in place now.
And he probably ruined his chances for a record number of wins at one Grand Slam venue.

"Take that you nasty vaccers who dont fear the needle"

One can still be a fantastic tennis player and an idiot...

[GAustex]

One can be a minion like fool and stick that shit in their body.

Far more respect for a man who stands by his principles than one who compromises like you

How’s ur heart feeling

[pgardn]

One can be a minion like fool and stick that shit in their body.

Far more respect for a man who stands by his principles than one who compromises like you

How’s ur heart feeling

My principles involving science and public health.
How awful!

I gave in to the giant needle but heroes like you and Joker stay true to black magic.
You stay with that witch stuff, it suits you.

[lefty20]

One can be a minion like fool and stick that shit in their body.

Far more respect for a man who stands by his principles than one who compromises like you

How’s ur heart feeling

Forget the vax stance.

Just read up on what he's said bout general modern medicine. The man literally cried because he thought that having his elbow surgically repaired was somehow failing/betraying his body. And that was just some of the tamer shit he said.

He's def gonna win 25 slams and go down as the GOAT. But yeah, he's also gonna remain an idiot in other matters.