The Biden-Ukraine corruption case: chronology and facts

[hater]

- 2008: Joe Biden is elected VP
- May 2013: Hunter joins Navy reserves
- February 2014: Hunter discharged due to cocaine use. He claimed he involuntarily ingested cocaine but did not fight d discharge
- February 2014: US sponsors coup in Ukraine and helps install new government
- May 2014: Hunter joins Burisma, Ukraines biggest gas producer board of directors. Despite having zero knowledge of business, gas or Ukraine
- 2014-2019: Hunter receives 50k a month from Burism a despite seldom even visiting Ukraine
- August 2014 - Ukraine opens corruption investigation on Burisma
- 2015: US and Joe Biden pressure Ukraine to fire Prosecutor General, for according to them, being weak/slow on corruption investigations
- March 2016: Viktor Shokin Ukraine Prosecutor General is fired. He claims he is fired because he was investigating Burism a, but his 2nd in command denies that saying the Burisma investigation was "dormant"
- Sept 2016: Corruption case against Burisma is closed
- 2016: Huntee gets a gun pointed at his head while buying crack cocaine
- 2017: Hunter crashes a rental vehicle and police find a Crack pipe in d car
- January 2018: Joe Biden boasts that he blackmailed Ukraine out of 1 billion dollars unless they fire Prosecutor General Victor Shokin

[Pavlov]

- 2008: Joe Biden is elected VP
- May 2013: Hunter joins Navy reserves
- February 2014: Hunter discharged due to cocaine use. He claimed he involuntarily ingested cocaine but did not fight d discharge
- February 2014: US sponsors coup in Ukraine and helps install new government
- May 2014: Hunter joins Burisma, Ukraines biggest gas producer board of directors. Despite having zero knowledge of business, gas or Ukraine
- 2014-2019: Hunter receives 50k a month from Burism a despite seldom even visiting Ukraine
- August 2014 - Ukraine opens corruption investigation on Burisma
- 2015: US and Joe Biden pressure Ukraine to fire Prosecutor General, for according to them, being weak/slow on corruption investigations
- March 2016: Viktor Shokin Ukraine Prosecutor General is fired. He claims he is fired because he was investigating Burism a, but his 2nd in command denies that saying the Burisma investigation was "dormant"
- Sept 2016: Corruption case against Burisma is closed
- 2016: Huntee gets a gun pointed at his head while buying crack cocaine
- 2017: Hunter crashes a rental vehicle and police find a Crack pipe in d car
- January 2018: Joe Biden boasts that he blackmailed Ukraine out of 1 billion dollars unless they fire Prosecutor General Victor ShokinLooks interesting -- do you have a link for this page?

[AaronY]

Looks interesting -- do you have a link for this page?
seanhannity.com

[hater]

I compiled the facts myself. Ask for a specific bullet and will provide link

[Pavlov]

I compiled the facts myself.I don't believe you.

Ask for a specific bullet and will provide linkAll of them.

[hater]

I don't care tbq :lol

Everyone but Chump. If you need a specific link request it. Thanks

[Pavlov]

I don't care tbq :lol

Everyone but Chump. If you need a specific link request it. Thankslol hater folds tbqh

[hater]

Let's not forget Nov 2016 Trump elected president.

Also manafor resigns his campaign somewhere before than then he is charged with Ukraine related corruption. Those important events fit somewhere in this puzzle, my investigation is ongoing...

[pgardn]

Let's not forget Nov 2016 Trump elected president.

Also manafor resigns his campaign somewhere before than then he is charged with Ukraine related corruption. Those important events fit somewhere in this puzzle, my investigation is ongoing...

Oh lord...
The guy who believes Assad never used gas and the Russians did not interfere in our elections.

You keep on your investigation.
But don’t bother reporting back.

[Winehole23]

For anyone curious, James Risen did most of the primary reporting on this story for the NYT in 2015 He explains here what magpies like hater are getting wrong:

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

[TheGreatYacht]

FULL Story: Trump/Biden-Ukraine Corruption & Impeachment Media Ignores w/Aaron Mate’

https://youtu.be/N1BsWtp1d6w

[Winehole23]

“What I’m pissed off about,” Kaleniuk said, “is that Shokin, who was totally corrupt, who undermined the reform of prosecution, and reformers, and who didn’t want to investigate Zlochevsky, now appears in the New York Times as the hero who wanted to investigate Zlochevsky and Burisma and who suffered because Joe Biden demanded to dismiss him because of his willingness to investigate Burisma — which is absolute nonsense.”

Compounding her frustration, Kaleniuk said, is that she was interviewed for the Times story, but it focused more on the potential harm the anti-Biden conspiracy theory could inflict on his presidential candidacy than on making clear that Shokin was fired because of his failure to properly investigate suspected corruption, including by Zlochevskyhttps://theintercept.com/2019/05/10/rumors-joe-biden-scandal-ukraine-absolute-nonsense-reformer-says/

[pgardn]

FULL Story: Trump/Biden-Ukraine Corruption & Impeachment Media Ignores w/Aaron Mate’

https://youtu.be/N1BsWtp1d6w

Oh wow.
Collect the whole set of wack job sites and sounds.
And it’s free.

[hater]

For anyone curious, James Risen did most of the primary reporting on this story for the NYT in 2015 He explains here what magpies like hater are getting wrong:

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

Thank you for you post niga

Read your link and nothing new there. And nothing there disputes any of my chronology of facts. :tu

[hater]

It is true that the brittish gov was investigating the Burisma owner and requested documents to Ukraine and Ukraine was not fast enough to provide them or not providing according to them.

But picture this, what if Ukraine was investigating a British national and requested documents from Brits and brits were slow to provide them or not provide them at a. Then zelensky would go to London and demand the firing of the prosecutor of England? :lmao

[Winehole23]

Thank you for you post niga

Read your link and nothing new there. And nothing there disputes any of my chronology of facts. :tuConnect the dots:, profe.

What does yiur time line show and how does that agree or conflict with the primary reporting?

[pgardn]

It is true that the brittish gov was investigating the Burisma owner and requested documents to Ukraine and Ukraine was not fast enough to provide them or not providing according to them.

But picture this, what if Ukraine was investigating a British national and requested documents from Brits and brits were slow to provide them or not provide them at a. Then zelensky would go to London and demand the firing of the prosecutor of England? :lmao

Yeah and that would be a big break for England. They would fire him because his history showed so much corruption and takes on his job that the Brits would have even more evidence for getting rid of someone totally corrupt.

Yep.
It can work that way.
Good job.

[hater]

Connect the dots:, profe.

What does yiur time line show and how does that agree or conflict with the primary reporting?

No conflict at all

[Spurs Homer]

I sure wouldn’t mind if this debunked conspiracy somehow takes biden down

president warren would be a win-win

[hater]

I sure wouldn’t mind if this debunked conspiracy somehow takes biden down

president warren would be a win-win

Agree with your first statement. Disagree on the 2nd although by God's grace hopefully you are correct and Warren is somehow just a tad bit better

[Winehole23]

No conflict at allStill no link, where did you get your info?

[Winehole23]

No conflict at allWhat story do you think the timeline tells?

Connect the dots, I'm not a mind reader. Like you said, the timeline does not conflict with the original reporting which reached a conclusion opposite to right wing conspiracy magpies today.

[in2deep]

Cool

[DarrinS]

2014-2019: Hunter receives 50k a month from Burisma

That would buy a lot of crack, tbh. :lol

[hater]

Still no link, where did you get your info?

ABC News, cnnn, fox, intercept, wikipedia

[DarrinS]

I'm sure Joe was just fighting corruption. The fact that his son had a super sketchy job there is purely a coincidence.

[hater]

What story do you think the timeline tells?

Connect the dots, I'm not a mind reader. Like you said, the timeline does not conflict with the original reporting which reached a conclusion opposite to right wing conspiracy magpies today.

I never claimed my chronology either proves or disproves right wing conspiracy tbqh

It also does not prove or disprove left wing theory

Connect the dots tbqh

[pgardn]

I'm sure Joe was just fighting corruption. The fact that his son had a super sketchy job there is purely a coincidence.

Trump president
Not brain dead Joe


Im thinking this is how many of the red team members like to derail threads.

[pgardn]

From way back Joe lied about his school grades. His character is not stellar.
Just like Trump lied about... about... basically lied about everything he thought he needed to.

[hater]

I'm sure Joe was just fighting corruption. The fact that his son had a super sketchy job there is purely a coincidence.

Keep in mind gas giants all over the world were all fighting to hire Hunter. Crack heads have a great knack at advising Gas Companies :lol

[DarrinS]

Hunter was also banging his dead brother's wife. But they broke up days before Joe announced his candidacy.

[SnakeBoy]

Biden is done


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=oicrxqnF62o

"We have documents" is the death nail for primary candidates.

Fake Liz should take the lead soon.

[Winehole23]

I'm sure Joe was just fighting corruption. The fact that his son had a super sketchy job there is purely a coincidence.If the super sketchy prosecutor was investigating Hunter Biden's employer or even threatening to, there might be something to that inference.

He wasn't, so there isn't.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1177590479296352258?s=19

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1177590479296352258?s=19Corrupt prosecutor blames a western cabal for his firing.

[Spurminator]

Corrupt prosecutor blames a western cabal for his firing.

We should take this person at his word about his firing, but we should also ignore whatever James Comey says because he's bitter.

[boutons_deux]

Corrupt prosecutor blames a western cabal for his firing.

I wonder how much he pocketed from Trash's mafiya "to swear the truth about Biden"

[Winehole23]

We should take this person at his word about his firing, but we should also ignore whatever James Comey says because he's bitter.DarrinS is a poster boy for motivated reasoning.

But, Ukrainian politics is a pit of snakes, it can be hard to separate reformers from the crooks.

One thing that seems clear, is that just about no one thinks the prosecutor who got fired was going after corruption in the energy sector, but actually, kind of the opposite.

[hater]

Corrupt prosecutor blames a western cabal for his firing.

Gee I wonder how he got the idea that a western cabal got him fired.


:lol

[boutons_deux]

This Repug slander on Biden is exactly the same tactic as Repug slander of "butter emails"

10Ms, 100Ms of Americans are too fucking stupid to know when they are being lied to.

[Winehole23]

Gee I wonder how he got the idea that a western cabal got him fired.


:lolMaybe the hometown pols thought he was a crook too. Both can be true at the same time.

[hater]

Maybe the hometown pols thought he was a crook too. Both can be true at the same time.

Joe admitted to getting the guy fired :lol

[Winehole23]

Joe admitted to getting the guy fired :lolLike I said, both can be true.

The record seems to show the prosecutor was protecting the energy sector, not prosecuting it.

[boutons_deux]

Joe admitted to getting the guy fired :lol

USA and EU objective was to get rid of the guy for NON-prosecution of corruption.

Ukraine wants to join the EU, is why Pootin invaded and occupies eastern Ukraine.

[Winehole23]

The narrative that Biden's actions were at cross-purposes with his son's position are better supported ITT and elsewhere than the sheer speculation that he was trying to shield him from legal hazard.

[hater]

Like I said, both can be true.

The record seems to show the prosecutor was protecting the energy sector, not prosecuting it.

The prosecutor clearly said he was not complying because the person being investigated was a minister.

His version actually helps your opinion tbqh :lol

Except that 2 things would also have to be true:
- Joe had personal interest in Burisma investigation
- his son was getting 50k a month from Burisma

[Winehole23]

The prosecutor clearly said he was not complying because the person being investigated was a minister.

His version actually helps your opinion tbqh :lol

You believe a corrupt prosecutor's oath because it support your priors.

I'd be all for an investigation of Joe Biden's Ukraine stuff. I've a feeling it'll go about as well as Russiagate, but hey, let's find out.

[Winehole23]

Hunter was also banging his dead brother's wife. But they broke up days before Joe announced his candidacy.This will for sure kill Joe Biden's candidacy.

RIP, Joe Biden for President 2020

[TSA]

If the super sketchy prosecutor was investigating Hunter Biden's employer or even threatening to, there might be something to that inference.

He wasn't, so there isn't.

You're wrong.

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The controversy ignited anew earlier this year when I disclosed that Joe Biden admitted during a 2018 videotaped speech that, as vice president in March 2016, he threatened to cancel $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, to pressure Ukraine's then-President Petro Poroshenko to fire Shokin.

At the time, Shokin's office was investigating Burisma. Shokin told me he was making plans to question Hunter Biden about $3 million in fees that Biden and his partner, Archer, collected from Burisma through their American firm. Documents seized by the FBI in an unrelated case confirm the payments, which in many months totaled more than $166,000.

Some media outlets have reported that, at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March 2016, there were no open investigations. Those reports are wrong. A British-based investigation of Burisma's owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met. But the Ukraine Prosecutor General's office still had two open inquiries in March 2016, according to the official case file provided me. One of those cases involved taxes; the other, allegations of corruption. Burisma announced the cases against it were not closed and settled until January 2017.

After I first reported it in a column, the New York Times and ABC News published similar stories confirming my reporting.

Joe Biden has since responded that he forced Shokin's firing over concerns about corruption and ineptitude, which he claims were widely shared by Western allies, and that it had nothing to do with the Burisma investigation.

Some of the new documents I obtained call that claim into question.

In a newly sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin testified that when he was fired in March 2016, he was told the reason was that Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. "The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors," Shokin testified.

"On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company but I refused to close this investigation," Shokin added.

Shokin certainly would have reason to hold a grudge over his firing. But his account is supported by documents from Burisma's legal team in America, which appeared to be moving into Ukraine with intensity as Biden's effort to fire Shokin picked up steam.

Burisma's own accounting records show that it paid tens of thousands of dollars while Hunter Biden served on the board of an American lobbying and public relations firm, Blue Star Strategies, run by Sally Painter and Karen Tramontano, who both served in President Bill Clinton's administration.

Just days before Biden forced Shokin's firing, Painter met with the No. 2 official at the Ukrainian embassy in Washington and asked to meet officials in Kiev around the same time that Joe Biden visited there. Ukrainian embassy employee Oksana Shulyar emailed Painter afterward: "With regards to the meetings in Kiev, I suggest that you wait until the next week when there is an expected vote of the government's reshuffle."

Ukraine's Washington embassy confirmed the conversations between Shulyar and Painter but said the reference to a shakeup in Ukrainian government was not specifically referring to Shokin's firing or anything to do with Burisma.

Painter then asked one of the Ukraine embassy's workers to open the door for meetings with Ukraine's prosecutors about the Burisma investigation, the memos show. Eventually, Blue Star would pay that Ukrainian official money for his help with the prosecutor's office.

At the time, Blue Star worked in concert with an American criminal defense lawyer, John Buretta, who was hired by Burisma to help address the case in Ukraine. The case was settled in January 2017 for a few million dollars in fines for alleged tax issues.

Buretta, Painter, Tramontano, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's campaign have not responded to numerous calls and emails seeking comment.

On March 29, 2016, the day Shokin's firing was announced, Buretta asked to speak with Yuriy Sevruk, the prosecutor named to temporarily replace Shokin, but was turned down, the memos show.

Blue Star, using the Ukrainian embassy worker it had hired, eventually scored a meeting with Sevruk on April 6, 2016, a week after Shokin's firing. Buretta, Tramontano and Painter attended that meeting in Kiev, according to Blue Star's memos.

Sevruk memorialized the meeting in a government memo that the general prosecutor's office provided to me, stating that the three Americans offered an apology for the "false" narrative that had been provided by U.S. officials about Shokin being corrupt and inept.

"They realized that the information disseminated in the U.S. was incorrect and that they would facilitate my visit to the U.S. for the purpose of delivering the true information to the State Department management," the memo stated.

The memo also quoted the Americans as saying they knew Shokin pursued an aggressive corruption investigation against Burisma's owner, only to be thwarted by British allies: "These individuals noted that they had been aware that the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine had implemented all required steps for prosecution ... and that he was released by the British court due to the underperformance of the British law enforcement agencies."

The memo provides a vastly different portrayal of Shokin than Biden's. And its contents are partially backed by subsequent emails from Blue Star and Buretta that confirm the offer to bring Ukrainian authorities to meet the Obama administration in Washington.

For instance, Tramontano wrote the Ukrainian prosecution team on April 16, 2016, saying U.S. Justice Department officials, including top international prosecutor Bruce Swartz, might be willing to meet. "The reforms are not known to the US Justice Department and it would be useful for the Prosecutor General to meet officials in the US and share this information directly," she wrote.

Buretta sent a similar email to the Ukrainians, writing that "I think you would find it productive to meet with DOJ officials in Washington" and providing contact information for Swartz. "I would be happy to help," added Buretta, a former senior DOJ official.

Burisma, Buretta and Blue Star continued throughout 2016 to try to resolve the open issues in Ukraine, and memos recount various contacts with the State Department and the U.S. embassy in Kiev seeking help in getting the Burisma case resolved.

Just days before Trump took office, Burisma announced it had resolved all of its legal issues. And Buretta gave an interview in Ukraine about how he helped navigate the issues.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story?amp&__twitter_impression=true

[Winehole23]

Prediction: The Trump DOJ will do nothing about the Biden/Ukraine stuff, and the narrative hater, DarrinS and TSA are pushing will join the already compendious mythology of Republican "alternative facts," like it was meant to do from the beginning.

[hater]

Prediction: The Trump DOJ will do nothing about the Biden/Ukraine stuff, and the narrative hater, DarrinS and TSA are pushing will join the already compendious mythology of Republican "alternative facts," like it was meant to do from the beginning.

There are no alternative facts in my chronology.

I myself am not convinced either way but I think like you, there should be more investigation by Ukraine and fbi

[Winehole23]

You're wrong.The crooked prosecutor says he was preparing to prosecute Burisma. Case closed!

[Winehole23]

There are no alternative facts in my chronology.

I myself am not convinced either way but I think like you, there should be more investigation by Ukraine and fbilol now you're pretending to be a fence sitter.

[hater]

lol now you're pretending to be a fence sitter.

Where did I state that I'm 100% convinced Joe had his son hired in exchange for political favors??

[TSA]

The crooked prosecutor says he was preparing to prosecute Burisma. Case closed!You're still wrong. This came from Sevruk, not Shokin.

=================================

Blue Star, using the Ukrainian embassy worker it had hired, eventually scored a meeting with Sevruk on April 6, 2016, a week after Shokin's firing. Buretta, Tramontano and Painter attended that meeting in Kiev, according to Blue Star's memos.

Sevruk memorialized the meeting in a government memo that the general prosecutor's office provided to me, stating that the three Americans offered an apology for the "false" narrative that had been provided by U.S. officials about Shokin being corrupt and inept.

"They realized that the information disseminated in the U.S. was incorrect and that they would facilitate my visit to the U.S. for the purpose of delivering the true information to the State Department management," the memo stated.

The memo also quoted the Americans as saying they knew Shokin pursued an aggressive corruption investigation against Burisma's owner, only to be thwarted by British allies: "These individuals noted that they had been aware that the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine had implemented all required steps for prosecution ... and that he was released by the British court due to the underperformance of the British law enforcement agencies."

[Winehole23]

You're still wrong. This came from Sevruk, not Shokin.

I'm already down ITT as pro-investigation. Let the chips fall.

Sadly for you, the Trump DOJ and the FBI won't do anything, but that won't stop you from considering it proven.

Your mind is already made up.

[Winehole23]

Where did I state that I'm 100% convinced Joe had his son hired in exchange for political favors??Pattern of posting and the subject line of this thread are tells.

You've definitely got an axe to grind.

[hater]

Pattern of posting and the subject line of this thread are tells.

You've definitely got an axe to grind.

Lol so now you are deciding for me whether I'm convinced 9ne way or another?

:lmao

Let me be clear. I am not convinced one way or another

[TSA]

I'm already down ITT as pro-investigation. Let the chips fall.

Sadly for you, the Trump DOJ and the FBI won't do anything, but that won't stop you from considering it proven.

Your mind is already made up.

I don't care if you are pro-investigation, you were still wrong.

[Winehole23]

Lol so now you are deciding for me whether I'm convinced 9ne way or another?

:lmao

Let me be clear. I am not convinced one way or anotherNot convinced, but pushing a "corruption" narrative.

Got it.

[hater]

Not convinced, but pushing a "corruption" narrative.

Got it.

What corruption narrative did I push :lol

[Winehole23]

I don't care if you are pro-investigation, you were still wrong.You accept John Solomon's reporting as gospel truth.

That doesn't make me wrong, even if he has multiple sources from a notoriously corrupt political scene.

[Winehole23]

But hey, it's written down, and somebody said it, so it must be true, right?

[Winehole23]

TSA has the always being right disease.

About as bad as I've ever seen it. The tagline under his avatar only underscores it, tbh.

[TSA]

But hey, it's written down, and somebody said it, so it must be true, right?

Explain your new conspiracy theory Winehole.

[weebo]

Puttin must be walking around Moscow with a huge boner...never in his wildest dreams did he ever think the destruction of the USA would be this easy...

[pgardn]

Puttin must be walking around Moscow with a huge boner...never in his wildest dreams did he ever think the destruction of the USA would be this easy...

I think He wants Trump out.
Too unpredictable.
They like some sort of idea of what they are dealing with.
Putin fooled GWB and Obama on a number of things.
With Trump, Putin and company are dealing with way too many unknowns. The usefulness of the madman has worn out. The sanctions are still in place. Trump has bombed Syria in front of Putin's face. Things are not going well politically or economically.

[boutons_deux]

I think He wants Trump out.
Too unpredictable.
They like some sort of idea of what they are dealing with.
Putin fooled GWB and Obama on a number of things.
With Trump, Putin and company are dealing with way too many unknowns. The usefulness of the madman has worn out. The sanctions are still in place. Trump has bombed Syria in front of Putin's face. Things are not going well politically or economically.

bullshit

With Trash in power, or Trash removed from power, Pootin and his

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/putins-real-long-game-214589

will love anything that fucks up, degrades USA internally and before the world.

[in2deep]

bullshit

With Trash in power, or Trash removed from power, Pootin and his

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/putins-real-long-game-214589

will love anything that fucks up, degrades USA internally and before the world.

Can't blame him since we tried to destroy Russia and turn it into a vassal country

Basically the same thing we did with Ukraine we first attempted with Russia. Get our olygarchs in and remove any pro Russia olygarchs by investigating them and charging them with corruption.

We succeeded partly in Ukraine but look at what cost, now Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe an dtheir economy is much worse than before the coup

In Russia we got kicked out because Putin took over and told the olygarchs, you can remain in power but you must be loyal to only Russia.

[Winehole23]

Explain your new conspiracy theory Winehole.No conspiracy theory, unless pointing out Trumpistas like you furiously deflecting counts.

[weebo]

Can't blame him since we tried to destroy Russia and turn it into a vassal country

Basically the same thing we did with Ukraine we first attempted with Russia. Get our olygarchs in and remove any pro Russia olygarchs by investigating them and charging them with corruption.

We succeeded partly in Ukraine but look at what cost, now Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe an dtheir economy is much worse than before the coup

In Russia we got kicked out because Putin took over and told the olygarchs, you can remain in power but you must be loyal to only Russia.

Obviously you've never been to Moldova or Estonia

[boutons_deux]

Obviously you've never been to Moldova or Estonia

Poorest Countries In Europe

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-poorest-countries-in-europe.html (https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-poorest-countries-in-europe.html)

[TSA]

No conspiracy theory, unless pointing out Trumpistas like you furiously deflecting counts.

You're insinuating the government memos that Solomon is in possession of are falsified. So what is your new conspiracy theory Winehole?

[SnakeBoy]

Biden campaign says the VP will not answer any specific questions about his corruption and is sticking with a blanket denial so don't bother asking.

:lol

[Reck]

Biden campaign says the VP will not answer any specific questions about his corruption and is sticking with a blanket denial so don't bother asking.

:lol

In other words, Biden is substantially smarter than Trump who cant wait to run his mouth and get in deep shit.

If you're guilty of something and you know it, why would you willingly give life to it? :lol Trump supporters

[Winehole23]

You're insinuating the government memos that Solomon is in possession of are falsified. So what is your new conspiracy theory Winehole?I didn't say anything about the documentary evidence..

Does it back up your narrative? Sure it does.

Does that make it veracious, or does it trump other reporting? I wouldn't jump to that conclusion, you clearly do.

When deciding between two conflicting interpretations of fact it were well to keep in mind both may be untrue. The mere fact of contradiction doesn't make one right and the other wrong.

[SnakeBoy]

In other words, Biden is substantially smarter than Trump who cant wait to run his mouth and get in deep shit.

If you're guilty of something and you know it, why would you willingly give life to it? :lol Trump supporters

Telling the press don't ask me about X is never a good way to get the press not to ask about X.

He's done. Rumor is Bloomberg is thinking about jumping in as the moderate now. Sauces say.

[Winehole23]

Btw, TSA, what do you think Solomon's article tend to prove?

In your own words, if possible?

[Reck]

Telling the press don't ask me about X is never a good way to get the press not to ask about X.

He's done. Rumor is Bloomberg is thinking about jumping in as the moderate now. Sauces say.

You have to make up your mind about who's done and who's not.

Not too long ago you thought Kamala was the golden goose. Now Biden is done based on a non scandal? :lol

Biden is done because he's barely doing rallies but instead doing fundraisers while Warren takes 1-on-1 meetings with average people.

If anything, this Trump Ukraine scandal is helping Biden out because they're not talking about how Warren is leading in most latest polls both nationally and the early states.

[SnakeBoy]

You have to make up your mind about who's done and who's not.

Not too long ago you thought Kamala was the golden goose. Now Biden is done based on a non scandal? :lol

Biden is done because he's barely doing rallies but instead doing fundraisers while Warren takes 1-on-1 meetings with average people.

If anything, this Trump Ukraine scandal is helping Biden out because they're not talking about how Warren is leading in most latest polls both nationally and the early states.

Oh I admit I was wrong about Kamala. I mean she was being groomed to be the chosen one and even the msm tried to play her up. She's just been so horrible it's amazing.

Is Warren your new girl?

[Reck]

Oh I admit I was wrong about Kamala. I mean she was being groomed to be the chosen one and even the msm tried to play her up. She's just been so horrible it's amazing.

Is Warren your new girl?

She's like my third choice.

Beto, I thought would have a better presidential run but guy has been a bust and completely annihilated any chances he had with the mah guns confiscation shit. He's done.

Biden is my second choice. And currently warming up to Warren but still not convince she can pull it off against Trump. We'll see how all of this plays out.

[SnakeBoy]

She's like my third choice.

Beto, I thought would have a better presidential run but guy has been a bust and completely annihilated any chances he had with the mah guns confiscation shit. He's done.

Biden is my second choice. And currently warming up to Warren but still not convince she can pull it off against Trump. We'll see how all of this plays out.

So Bernie 1st choice?

[Reck]

So Bernie 1st choice?

Where in hell did you get that sense from? lmao

[SnakeBoy]

Where in hell did you get that sense from? lmao

You said Biden 2nd, Warren 3rd, Beto's done. So who's your 1st?

I'm not trying to make fun of you, just curious. I'm voting straight GOP, whomever that may be.

[Reck]

You said Biden 2nd, Warren 3rd, Beto's done. So who's your 1st?

I'm not trying to make fun of you, just curious. I'm voting straight GOP, whomever that may be.

Biden is the defacto #1 for right now. We'll see in about a month where he's at against Warren.

Bernie has never been a choice for me. Ever

[Pavlov]

You're still wrong. This came from Sevruk, not Shokin.

=================================

Blue Star, using the Ukrainian embassy worker it had hired, eventually scored a meeting with Sevruk on April 6, 2016, a week after Shokin's firing. Buretta, Tramontano and Painter attended that meeting in Kiev, according to Blue Star's memos.

Sevruk memorialized the meeting in a government memo that the general prosecutor's office provided to me, stating that the three Americans offered an apology for the "false" narrative that had been provided by U.S. officials about Shokin being corrupt and inept.

"They realized that the information disseminated in the U.S. was incorrect and that they would facilitate my visit to the U.S. for the purpose of delivering the true information to the State Department management," the memo stated.

The memo also quoted the Americans as saying they knew Shokin pursued an aggressive corruption investigation against Burisma's owner, only to be thwarted by British allies: "These individuals noted that they had been aware that the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine had implemented all required steps for prosecution ... and that he was released by the British court due to the underperformance of the British law enforcement agencies."In his last hours in office, Mr. Shokin dismissed the deputy prosecutor general, David Sakvarelidze, a former prosecutor in Georgia brought in by President Poroshenko to fight corruption. And before that, Mr. Shokin had systematically cleansed his office of reform-minded prosecutors. The acting prosecutor general now is Yuriy Sevruk, a crony who can be trusted to continue Mr. Shokin’s practices.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/01/opinion/ukraines-unyielding-corruption.html

:rollin you fall for it every time.

[Reck]

In his last hours in office, Mr. Shokin dismissed the deputy prosecutor general, David Sakvarelidze, a former prosecutor in Georgia brought in by President Poroshenko to fight corruption. And before that, Mr. Shokin had systematically cleansed his office of reform-minded prosecutors. The acting prosecutor general now is Yuriy Sevruk, a crony who can be trusted to continue Mr. Shokin’s practices.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/01/opinion/ukraines-unyielding-corruption.html

:rollin you fall for it every time.

Get ready for another pointless 5000 word article.

[Pavlov]

Get ready for another pointless 5000 word article.IT WASN'T THE TOTALLY CORRUPT GUY SAYING THAT IS WAS THIS OTHER TOTALLY CORRUPT GUY WHO WAS HIRED BY THE TOTALLY CORRUPT GUY

[Winehole23]

IT WASN'T THE TOTALLY CORRUPT GUY SAYING THAT IS WAS THIS OTHER TOTALLY CORRUPT GUY WHO WAS HIRED BY THE TOTALLY CORRUPT GUYSolomon reported it, so it must be truthful.

[Winehole23]

TSA leans awfully hard on John Solomon.

[Pavlov]

TSA leans awfully hard on John Solomon.John Solomon leans awfully hard on corrupt former Ukrainian officials with axes to grind.

[Winehole23]

John Solomon leans awfully hard on corrupt former Ukrainian officials with axes to grind.Embittered former officials credible now.

[Pavlov]

Embittered former officials credible now.The responsible thing for Solomon to do would be inserting a disclaimer that both his sources are disgraced corrupt former officials who were fired for resisting reform and outright punishing those who fought corruption.

Solomon will never do this.

TSA will never admit this.

[TheGreatYacht]

Biden Open To Cutting Social Security & Medicare

https://youtu.be/d2Ufx_cIC0A

[Winehole23]

TGY with nothing to say for himself. Also, misfiled ITT.

[TheGreatYacht]

TGY with nothing to say for himself. Also, misfiled ITT.

Spurtacular loves Joe Biden

[Winehole23]

Spurtacular (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49615) loves Joe BidenUnrelated to this thread, also, impossible to tell who you YT was aimed at before your clarifying remark.

You sure showed him!

[Reck]

Spurtacular (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49615) loves Joe Biden

Derp thinks Biden is a super progressive. lol

[koriwhat]

TGY with nothing to say for himself. Also, misfiled ITT.

truth and when you say what you just said TGY will just claim you're a zionist or some other cop-out of a jab.

[Quadzilla99]

Lmao imagine falling for this shit. Dems deserve to lose if they get "but her emails"ed again

[pgardn]

Lmao imagine falling for this shit. Dems deserve to lose if they get "but her emails"ed again

Its over.

The impeachment stuff will be interesting.
All Of Trumps crew that get caught will be interesting.
2020 is gone. As well as the red fools in the Senate who proclaimed undying loyalty to a criminal.
And when Trump becomes a citizen.... jail time could be quite entertaining.

[pgardn]

Oh.

And the Democrats could lose the presidency again if the red team has the guts to run a candidate against Trump.
Heck, They might have to.

[boutons_deux]

One of Trump’s radical judge picks just got thrown into the Ukraine scandal

Steven Menashi, Trump’s nominee for the Second Circuit Court of Appeals — and a key White House legal aide.

He has criticized feminism and diversity (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/steven-menashi-trump-judge-lgbtq-women-diveristy_n_5d76c8cbe4b0752102316328?x8&fbclid=IwAR0pHqnpjf3JVzf-Elnvs_et582hHE_dxE1DAiZLBfpUVvf5fhZr4texwAs),

compared affirmative action to Nazi Germany,

scorned anti-sexual assault protesters as “gynocentrists,”

claimed that financial aid for college students is unfair to rich people,

accused the Human Rights Campaign of “exploiting” the death of gay student Matthew Shepard, and

helped Education Secretary Betsy DeVos roll back campus civil rights protections for rape survivors.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/one-of-trumps-radical-judge-picks-just-got-thrown-into-the-ukraine-scandal/

The Best People

[Winehole23]

Btw, TSA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7640), what do you think Solomon's article tend to prove?

In your own words, if possible?TSA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7640) ghosted. Refuses to give his own take, always relies on a crutch.

[hater]

What corruption narrative did I push :lol

Waiting on winehoneys response.... Niga ghosting

[boutons_deux]

“PEOPLE STARTED RUNNING AROUND, SAYING,

‘I REPRESENT THE U.S. PRESIDENT. WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR ME?’”:

HOW GIULIANI GOT PLAYED IN THE UKRAINE-BIDEN OPPO BLACK MARKET :lol

As Giuliani’s quest for Biden dirt in Ukraine was failing,

Trump grew frustrated and made the fateful call to Volodymyr Zelensky.

Trump’s fateful July 25 call (https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf) to President Volodymyr Zelensky—

”I would like you to do us a favor”—and

before that, his decision to withhold aid (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html) from Ukraine,

were predicated on Giuliani’s failures.


(https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/how-giuliani-got-played-in-the-ukraine-biden-oppo-black-market?mbid=nl_hps_5d8e4184eca9b30008fff52e&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_HivePS_0922719&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_HivePS_0922719&utm_term=VYF_Hive)<Julie Annie> ... had been mining contacts with connections both governmental and in the private sector,

flying to assignations in foreign capitals, and trying to set up deals.

But the oppo gold he was searching for—if it ever existed, which is doubtful—didn’t materialize.

“Rudy kept running around talking to everyone,

but he couldn’t get to first base on the Ukraine-Biden info,”

says a sometime Ukraine player who says he has direct knowledge of the market for Biden dirt. :lol

(https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/how-giuliani-got-played-in-the-ukraine-biden-oppo-black-market?mbid=nl_hps_5d8e4184eca9b30008fff52e&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_HivePS_0922719&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_HivePS_0922719&utm_term=VYF_Hive)https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/how-giuliani-got-played-in-the-ukraine-biden-oppo-black-market?mbid=nl_hps_5d8e4184eca9b30008fff52e&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_HivePS_0922719&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_HivePS_0922719&utm_term=VYF_Hive

[Winehole23]

Waiting on winehoneys response.... Niga ghostingasked and answered, it's in the subject line of your thread: "Ukraine/Biden/Corruption"

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/722048/story_image/CoverStory-STORY_blitt_trump_uncle_sam.jpg?1569609672

[hater]

My chronology of facts updated today. 2014, Biden plays golf with his Son Hunter and the head of Burisma gas Co :lmao :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1178852159456104448?s=19

[hater]

- 2008: Joe Biden is elected VP
- May 2013: Hunter joins Navy reserves
- February 2014: Hunter discharged due to cocaine use. He claimed he involuntarily ingested cocaine but did not fight d discharge
- February 2014: US sponsors coup in Ukraine and helps install new government
- 2014 Biden plays golf with his son Hunter and head of Burisma gas Co
- May 2014: Hunter joins Burisma, Ukraines biggest gas producer board of directors. Despite having zero knowledge of business, gas or Ukraine
- 2014-2019: Hunter receives 50k a month from Burism a despite seldom even visiting Ukraine
- August 2014 - Ukraine opens corruption investigation on Burisma
- 2015: US and Joe Biden pressure Ukraine to fire Prosecutor General, for according to them, being weak/slow on corruption investigations
- March 2016: Viktor Shokin Ukraine Prosecutor General is fired. He claims he is fired because he was investigating Burism a, but his 2nd in command denies that saying the Burisma investigation was "dormant"
- Sept 2016: Corruption case against Burisma is closed
- 2016: Huntee gets a gun pointed at his head while buying crack cocaine
- 2017: Hunter crashes a rental vehicle and police find a Crack pipe in d car
- January 2018: Joe Biden boasts that he blackmailed Ukraine out of 1 billion dollars unless they fire Prosecutor General Victor Shokin


Update in bold

[Blake]

What's the link for "Hunter gets 50k a month despite seldom visiting"

[hater]

:lmao average joe

https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/1178390034128523265?s=19

[Blake]

Also need the link to where Biden pressures Ukraine to fire prosecutor

[hater]

What's the link for "Hunter gets 50k a month despite seldom visiting"

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/24/763502822/what-were-the-bidens-doing-in-ukraine-5-questions-answered

In the spring of 2014, as Joe Biden began his trips to Ukraine, Hunter Biden took a position on the board of the country's largest private gas company, Burisma. He was reportedly paid up to $50,000 a month.

The question of a possible conflict of interest — with Hunter Biden profiting in a country where his father was actively working with the government — was raised publicly at the time.

[hater]

Great read

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/hunter-bidens-legal-socially-acceptable-corruption/598804/

[Blake]

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/24/763502822/what-were-the-bidens-doing-in-ukraine-5-questions-answered

In the spring of 2014, as Joe Biden began his trips to Ukraine, Hunter Biden took a position on the board of the country's largest private gas company, Burisma. He was reportedly paid up to $50,000 a month.

The question of a possible conflict of interest — with Hunter Biden profiting in a country where his father was actively working with the government — was raised publicly at the time.

Thanks.

".....Also, the Obama administration actually supported investigations into corruption. This included looking into the gas company because the owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, was close to the ousted president and they had both fled the country before the Bidens became regular visitors."

Why did you say Hunter seldom visited

[Pavlov]

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/24/763502822/what-were-the-bidens-doing-in-ukraine-5-questions-answered

In the spring of 2014, as Joe Biden began his trips to Ukraine, Hunter Biden took a position on the board of the country's largest private gas company, Burisma. He was reportedly paid up to $50,000 a month.

The question of a possible conflict of interest — with Hunter Biden profiting in a country where his father was actively working with the government — was raised publicly at the time.So not $50k every month?

Interesting.

[Blake]

Great read

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/hunter-bidens-legal-socially-acceptable-corruption/598804/

Title: "Hunter Biden's Perfectly Legal......."

[hater]

Title: "Hunter Biden's Perfectly Legal......."

Opinion..

Doesn't mean the article doesn't have facts

We don't know if Biden did everything legal or not, thus why we need to investigate

[hater]

Thanks.

".....Also, the Obama administration actually supported investigations into corruption. This included looking into the gas company because the owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, was close to the ousted president and they had both fled the country before the Bidens became regular visitors."

Why did you say Hunter seldom visited

Not sure that's factual. Joe traveled to Ukraine hell of a lot more than Hunter as hunter was buying crack and crashing rental cars in his homeland

[Pavlov]

Opinion..

Doesn't mean the article doesn't have facts

We don't know if Biden did everything legal or not, thus why we need to investigateWhat specifically needs to be investigated?

[hater]

Anyone know if this is a fact? Very interesting:

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1179026921142804486?s=19

[Pavlov]

Anyone know if this is a fact? Very interesting:

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1179026921142804486?s=19And what does that even mean?

A deal was secured!

[Pavlov]

My chronology of facts updated today. 2014, Biden plays golf with his Son Hunter and the head of Burisma gas Co :lmao :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1178852159456104448?s=19So this isn't the head of Burisma at all.

He's not even Ukrainian.

:lmao :lmao :lmao hater

[Blake]

Not sure that's factual. Joe traveled to Ukraine hell of a lot more than Hunter as hunter was buying crack and crashing rental cars in his homeland

It's info from your link. Way to despute yourself.

[hater]

He's just a burisma board member :cry case closed :cry

LOL chump

[Pavlov]

He's just a burisma board member :cry case closed :cry

LOL chump:lol you lied about who this guy is

Why?

[hater]

It's your link from your facts timeline. Make up your mind

If I post a link doesn't mean I take all its sentences as facts :lol

[Blake]

Opinion..

Doesn't mean the article doesn't have facts

We don't know if Biden did everything legal or not, thus why we need to investigate

So you're just cherry picking the stuff that you like. Figured.

[Blake]

If I post a link doesn't mean I take all its sentences as facts :lol

So your questioning your own sources. Neat.

[Pavlov]

If I post a link doesn't mean I take all its sentences as facts :lolThe Biden-Ukraine corruption case: chronology and sentences I don't take as facts

[Blake]

The Biden-Ukraine corruption case: chronology and sentences I don't take as facts


:cry but it doesn't mean his chronology doesn't contain facts in there somewhere :cry

[Pavlov]

:lol "my investigation"

[in2deep]

I hope both Biden and trump quit for 2020

[boutons_deux]

I hope both Biden and trump quit for 2020

It looks like Biden is sinking, probably the only thing that will keep him afloat is the DNC/Clinton establishment machine.

[TheGreatYacht]

Host Smacks Down Democrat Defending Biden Corruption

https://youtu.be/60dgwCbyv54
Biden Camp Pressuring News Companies To Silence Criticism Of Him

https://youtu.be/QjT_haowahY

[hater]

:cry but it doesn't mean his chronology doesn't contain facts in there somewhere :cry

My chronology in the OP is all FACTS. if u wanna dispute something bring it on nig

[Blake]

My chronology in the OP is all FACTS. if u wanna dispute something bring it on nig

I already debunked one of your facts using your own source but honestly I don't care about this thread. Nothing will happen to Biden except that the gop will turn it into another Hillary email gate during election time.

[pgardn]

:lol "my investigation"

Best one of the bunch.

[hater]

The appointment of Joe Biden's son to the board of Ukrainian gas firm Burisma has raised eyebrows the world over. The names of the company's actual owners are being protected like state secrets.

Anyone wanting to know more about the company needs time. Burisma's modest website says the firm was founded in 2002 and grew to become "one of Ukraine's largest independent gas producers." There's no mention of the owners.



Ukrainian media reports about Burisma reveal an impenetrable web of companies, most of which are registered in Cyprus. One name, Mykola Slotshevski, appears more than once. The 47-year-old is thought to have been the original owner of the company - at least until recently.

In late 2013, [Zlochevsky] denied that he owned Burisma, and an employee in his office reported that he sold the company - but no evidence of this has come to light yet. Two oligarchs, Ihor Kolomojski and Viktor Pinchuk, have been named as the possible new owners.



No one seems to know who really owns the company. Whoever does has hidden behind a bunch of shell companies in Cyprus and Britain. DW says that Zlochevsky denied in 2013 that he was the owner but several Bursima press releases name and quote Mykola Zlochevsky as owner and president of the Burisma Group. Is he now just a front man for a bigger oligarch?

https://www.dw.com/en/who-are-hunter-bidens-ukrainian-bosses/a-17642254

[hater]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/02/correcting-media-error-bidens-ukraine-showdown-was-december/

Several papers claimed that the story Biden told happened in March 2016. That is however not correct:

Biden never traveled to Ukraine that month. The Ukrainian president at the time, Petro Poroshenko, traveled to Washington in March — but only after the prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, had already been dismissed by the Ukrainian parliament.

Why the confusion? Because Biden managed to squeeze months of diplomacy into a few hours when he recounted the story years later at the Council on Foreign Relations.


The campaign was rather slow. But in February Biden's efforts to get Shokin fired suddenly went into overdrive:

Feb. 12: Biden spoke to Poroshenko by phone. “The two leaders agreed on the importance of unity among Ukrainian political forces to quickly pass reforms in line with the commitments in its IMF program, including measures focused on rooting out corruption,” the White House said.

Feb. 16: Poroshenko announced he had asked Shokin to resign. [...]

Feb. 18: Another call took place between Biden and Poroshenko. [...]

Feb. 19: Poroshenko announced he has received Shokin’s resignation letter. It still required parliamentary approval, and Shokin did not go away quietly.

That same day, Biden spoke separately to Poroshenko and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. [...]

March 16: Reports emerged that Shokin was back at work after having been on vacation. [...]

March 22: Biden and Poroshenko spoke again by phone [...]

March 29: The Ukrainian parliament, in a 289-to-6 vote, approved Shokin’s dismissal.

On March 31, Poroshenko met with Biden during a trip to Washington, and Biden emphasized that the loan guarantee was contingent on further reform progress beyond Shokin’s removal.

On April 14, Biden and Poroshenko had another call. Biden congratulated the president on his new cabinet and “stressed the urgency of putting in place a new Prosecutor General [...]

May 12: Poroshenko nominated Yuriy Lutsenko as the new prosecutor general.

On May 13, in a phone call, Biden told Poroshenko he welcomed Lutsenko’s appointment [...]

The Biden driven campaign against Shokin started slow but in February 2016 it went into a frenzy. What had happened? Did it have to do with Burisma?

[Pavlov]

It had nothing to do with Burisma as nobody was actually investigating Burisma at the time.

:lol hater

[Pavlov]

Why did you leave this out of your copy/paste?

Biden’s tale, ironically, has become exhibit 1 in President Trump’s false narrative that Biden ousted the prosecutor because he was investigating a company associated with his son Hunter Biden. As we have reported, the drive to push out Shokin was an international effort widely celebrated at the time.

:lol lyin' hater

[hater]

Oopsie looks like Burisma owrs were being aggressively investigated by fired prosecutor:

The movable and immovable property of former Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine Mykola Zlochevsky in Ukraine has been seized, according to the press service of the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine (PGO).

"The PGO filed a petition to court to arrest the property of the ex-Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine, the Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, Mykola Zlochevsky, from which arrest was withdrawn, and other property he actually uses, namely housing estate with a total area of 922 square meters, a land plot of 0.24 hectares, a garden house with a total area of 299.8 square meters, a garden house in the territory of Vyshgorod district, a garden house of 2,312 square meters, a land plot of 0.0394 hectares, a Rolls-Royce Phantom car, a Knott 924-5014 trainer," reads the report.

The PGO clarifies that the court satisfied the petition on February 2, 2016.
...
Zlochevsky is suspected of committing a criminal offense under Part 3 of Article 368-2 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (illicit enrichment).


https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/322395.html



On February 2 Shokin confiscated four large houses Zlochevsky owned plus a Rolls-Royce Phantom and a "Knott 924-5014 trainer". (Anyone know what that is?) Ten days later Biden goes into overdrive to get him fired. Within one week he personally calls Poroshenko three times with only one major aim: to get Shokin fired.

[hater]

On the other hand. New prosecurtor:

Mr. Shokin was replaced by a prosecutor named Yuriy Lutsenko, whom former Vice President Biden later called “someone who was solid at the time.” Mr. Zlochevsky’s representatives were pleased by the choice, concluding they could work with Mr. Lutsenko to resolve the oligarch’s legal issues, according to the people familiar with the situation.

While Mr. Lutsenko initially took a hard line against Burisma, within 10 months after he took office, Burisma announced that Mr. Lutsenko and the courts had “fully closed” all “legal proceedings and pending criminal allegations” against Mr. Zlochevsky and his companies.

The oligarch, who had fled the country amid investigations by previous prosecutors, was removed by a Ukrainian court from “the wanted list,” and returned to the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/us/politics/biden-ukraine-trump.html

[Pavlov]

On the other hand. New prosecurtor:

Mr. Shokin was replaced by a prosecutor named Yuriy Lutsenko, whom former Vice President Biden later called “someone who was solid at the time.” Mr. Zlochevsky’s representatives were pleased by the choice, concluding they could work with Mr. Lutsenko to resolve the oligarch’s legal issues, according to the people familiar with the situation.

While Mr. Lutsenko initially took a hard line against Burisma, within 10 months after he took office, Burisma announced that Mr. Lutsenko and the courts had “fully closed” all “legal proceedings and pending criminal allegations” against Mr. Zlochevsky and his companies.

The oligarch, who had fled the country amid investigations by previous prosecutors, was removed by a Ukrainian court from “the wanted list,” and returned to the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/us/politics/biden-ukraine-trump.htmlYou never said why you lied earlier.

What gives?

[boutons_deux]

"Ukraine is giving Trump what he wanted

Ukraine’s general prosecutor’s office said Friday it is reviewing past investigations into the owner of a gas company

linked to former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden’s son,

raising the possibility of reopening the probes amid pressure from President Trump (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-urges-ukraine-china-to-investigate-the-bidens-11570114755?mod=hp_lead_pos1&mod=article_inline).

Any steps toward reopening the cases, or implicating Mr. Biden’s son in the process, would be the strongest signal yet from Kyiv that it will abide by Mr. Trump’s entreaties over the past several months to investigate Burisma Group, one of Ukraine’s biggest private gas-production companies."

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/mckinsey-in-puerto-rico.html

Ukraine is so corrupt and poverty stricken, it would be easy for totally corrupt Trash/Julie Annie/Kusher to buy Trash's "innocence" by compensating secretly Ukraine official(s) to obtain a fabricated case against Bidens.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/OakleytheMuppet/status/1180152740439351296?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1180147568493375490?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/jerseydeanne/status/1180154854108532738?s=19

[hater]

After the firing, the two large men escorted the fund’s president out of the firm’s midtown Manhattan office, and James Biden laid out his vision for the fund’s future. “Don’t worry about investors,” he said, according to the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of retaliation. “We've got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden.”

At the time, the senator was just months away from both assuming the chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and launching his second presidential bid. According to the executive, James Biden made it clear he viewed the fund as a way to take money from rich foreigners who could not legally give money to his older brother or his campaign account. “We've got investors lined up in a line of 747s filled with cash ready to invest in this company,” the executive remembers James Biden saying.

At this, the executive recalled, Beau Biden, who was then running for attorney general of Delaware, turned bright red. He told his uncle, “This can never leave this room, and if you ever say it again, I will have nothing to do with this.”

A spokesman for James and Hunter Biden said no such episode ever occurred. Beau Biden died in 2015, at 46.

But the recollection of an effort to cash in on Joe’s political ties is consistent with other accounts provided by other former executives at the fund.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/02/joe-biden-investigation-hunter-brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407

[hater]

Three former Paradigm executives said James and Hunter Biden also sought to capitalize on Joe’s strong ties to labor unions in the hopes of landing investments from them; Charles Provini, who briefly served as Paradigm’s president, said both James and Hunter repeatedly cited Joe’s political ties when they recruited him to work for the fund. “I was told because of his relationships with the unions that they felt as though it would be favorably looked upon to invest in the fund as long as it was a good fund,” Provini recalled.

Documents submitted as part of a legal dispute over Paradigm’s acquisition show James Biden planned to solicit investments for it from union pension funds. A spokesman for James and Hunter said they did not end up marketing the fund to unions.

[Pavlov]

Hey hater, you still haven't explained your lie from this morning.

Looks like you're trying to bury it tbh.

:lol hater

:lol

[pgardn]

Hunter Biden President not Trump?

[Isitjustme?]

Smoke and mirrors over and over..its like 2016 all over again

[boutons_deux]

Smoke and mirrors over and over..its like 2016 all over again

dense smoke, lies denials ad infinitum, to confuse, bewilder everybody so a false story can be repeated 1000s of times to obscure, replace the truth.

America is fucked and unfuckable because there is no ageement on what is real, what is science, what is objectively true.

10Ms of Bible-humping evangelicals and their grifter preachers are leading America to hell.

[hater]

Smoke and mirrors over and over..its like 2016 all over again

How is this smoke and mirrors? Shokin sworn statement to Austrian court:


https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings ("Burisma"), a natural gas firm active in Ukraine, and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors. I assume Burisma, which was connected with gas extraction, had the support of the US Vice-President Joe Biden because his son was on the board of Directors.
. . . Therefore I was forced to leave office, under direct and intense pressure from Joe Biden and the US administration. In my conversation with Poroshenko at the time, he was emphatic that I should cease my investigations regarding Burisma. When I did not, he said that the US (via Biden) were refusing to release USD$ 1 billion promised to Ukraine. He said that b he had no choice, therefore, but to ask me to resign.

[hater]

https://antac.org.ua/2012/08/26/kings-of-ukrainian-gas/

"90% of Ukrnaftoburinnya is owned by a Cypriot company, Deripon Commercial Ltd. (...) This company has often been involved in various financial schemes of the Privat Group and especially with Ihor Kolomoisky. The owners of Ukrnaftoburinnya, Pari, and Esko-Pivnich were finally confirmed through first-hand sources. Oleh Kanivets worked as CEO of Ukrnaftoburinnya for two years. He confirmed who actually controlled the above-mentioned companies to “Slidstvo.Info”.
' – The Privat Group is the immediate owner. This company was founded by Mykola Zlochevsky some time ago, but he later sold his shares to the Privat Group.' "


Looks like Kokomoinsky bought Burisma from Zlocgevsky

What could this mean?

If true then the true owner of Burisma was a US fríendly olygarch. Same one who owns Media company that employed Zelensky and also the biggest backer of another US puppet who almost becomes president Yulia Timoshenko

[boutons_deux]

How is this smoke and mirrors? Shokin sworn statement to Austrian court:


https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings ("Burisma"), a natural gas firm active in Ukraine, and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors. I assume Burisma, which was connected with gas extraction, had the support of the US Vice-President Joe Biden because his son was on the board of Directors.
. . . Therefore I was forced to leave office, under direct and intense pressure from Joe Biden and the US administration. In my conversation with Poroshenko at the time, he was emphatic that I should cease my investigations regarding Burisma. When I did not, he said that the US (via Biden) were refusing to release USD$ 1 billion promised to Ukraine. He said that b he had no choice, therefore, but to ask me to resign.

... you believe corrupt, probably criminal Shokin, who would probably "swear" anything to save his ass, over all the US and West European officials who knew he wasn't doing shit about Burisma?

[hater]

I didn't say I believe him tbqh

But a sworn statement is worthy of post imo

He had nothing to gain by throwing Biden under the bus. He was never found guilty of any crime much less lying to a court. So imo its noteworthy at the very least.

Unless a person has been found guilty of a crime or lying to a court, I will consider his statement as important

[in2deep]

https://antac.org.ua/2012/08/26/kings-of-ukrainian-gas/

"90% of Ukrnaftoburinnya is owned by a Cypriot company, Deripon Commercial Ltd. (...) This company has often been involved in various financial schemes of the Privat Group and especially with Ihor Kolomoisky. The owners of Ukrnaftoburinnya, Pari, and Esko-Pivnich were finally confirmed through first-hand sources. Oleh Kanivets worked as CEO of Ukrnaftoburinnya for two years. He confirmed who actually controlled the above-mentioned companies to “Slidstvo.Info”.
' – The Privat Group is the immediate owner. This company was founded by Mykola Zlochevsky some time ago, but he later sold his shares to the Privat Group.' "


Looks like Kokomoinsky bought Burisma from Zlocgevsky

What could this mean?

If true then the true owner of Burisma was a US fríendly olygarch. Same one who owns Media company that employed Zelensky and also the biggest backer of another US puppet who almost becomes president Yulia Timoshenko


Damn so burisma was owned by the patreon of both zelensky and timoshenko? I know what this means. Absolutely nothing will happen. There will be no investigation into this because both Ukrainian and us corruption would be unmasked.

This is all a show

[hater]

Damn so burisma was owned by the patreon of both zelensky and timoshenko? I know what this means. Absolutely nothing will happen. There will be no investigation into this because both Ukrainian and us corruption would be unmasked.

This is all a show

Ukraine was a den of snakes even before the coup imo. But US came in and tried by force to install their loyal oligarchs and remove any unloyal ones. They called it an operation against corruption but in reality was operation to install US loyal oligarchs.

Looks like the prosecutor was being a bit too fair to US liking and why they had him removed. I don't believe Biden acted alone of course in his firing but the details get murky when you take a look at Burisma ownership and corruption case

[Pavlov]

How is this smoke and mirrors? Shokin sworn statement to Austrian court:


https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings ("Burisma"), a natural gas firm active in Ukraine, and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors. I assume Burisma, which was connected with gas extraction, had the support of the US Vice-President Joe Biden because his son was on the board of Directors.
. . . Therefore I was forced to leave office, under direct and intense pressure from Joe Biden and the US administration. In my conversation with Poroshenko at the time, he was emphatic that I should cease my investigations regarding Burisma. When I did not, he said that the US (via Biden) were refusing to release USD$ 1 billion promised to Ukraine. He said that b he had no choice, therefore, but to ask me to resign.:lol the guy who can't even live in the Ukraine anymore?

Is he subject to Austrian perjury laws in Russia?

:lol hater

:lol

[hater]

who said Viktor Shokin cannot live in Ukraine? link?

[Pavlov]

who said Viktor Shokin cannot live in Ukraine? link?Checking, but I'm probably getting him confused with his deputy. Question remains even if it's the Ukraine: Can Shokin be prosecuted for perjury in Austria while in the Ukraine?

[Isitjustme?]

I know what this means.

Nah, ya dont. Ya never do really.

[hater]

:lmao chump

[Pavlov]

:lmao chumpHey, I fessed up to making a mistake. You still haven't explained why you flat out lied this morning.

Why did you lie?

:lmao hater

:lol

[Winehole23]

Trump appointee at the CIA made a criminal referral to DOJ:


Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered to be a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed...https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1062481

[boutons_deux]

Trump appointee at the CIA made a criminal referral to DOJ:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1062481

Tom Hagen killed it. He will deny ALL requests from the impeachment committees, which is illegal.

[Isitjustme?]

Remember that time they got mad about the private email server?

1180317724632899584

[hater]

:lmao average Joe

https://twitter.com/giovannicavett/status/1180240026636034050

[Winehole23]

Now that y'all's appetite for fighting corruption has revived, would y'all be down with investigating Ivanka for getting a dozen Chinese trademarks during a trade war or Jared getting 600 million from Qatar while it was in a standoff with the KSA?

How about puny self dealing by Trump's adult sons?

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jr-eric-trump-taxpayers-1031092

[hater]

https://twitter.com/GottaBernNow/status/1174524747649933315?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1153986299772014592?s=19

[in2deep]

https://twitter.com/GottaBernNow/status/1174524747649933315?s=19

Biden is disgusting

[Winehole23]

hater in the tank for Trump, always ready with an excuse or more spam.

(He'll say he's not for anyone, just resolutely against the Dems, like an even-handed person does: criticizing bad guys on one side only.)

[hater]

hater in the tank for Trump, always ready with an excuse or more spam.

(He'll say he's not for anyone, just resolutely against the Dems, like an even-handes person does: criticizing bad guys on one side only.)

Don't blame me ma nig

Blame the democratic shit they call a party :lol

It's possibly the worst political party in history and on a suicide course by marrying itself to deep state and elites. Blame them. I would vote for Tulsi or Bernie in 1 second. I might vote for Warren over Dump if she has the right answers and runs the right campaign tbqh

[Winehole23]

I agree with the general tenor of your remarks and thank you for underscoring mine, that you reserve criticism for one side only.

[hater]

I agree with the general tenor of your remarks and thank you for underscoring mine, that you reserve criticism for one side only.

I'm a socialist of course I reserve my harshest criticism for my side. Or my supposed to be side. Which is not. Democrats are a fake party and socialists need to obliterate their establishment.

Never voted republican and never will unless a Ron Paul emerges from the ranks. Which is unlikely.

[Pavlov]

Don't blame me ma nig

Blame the democratic shit they call a party :lol

It's possibly the worst political party in history and on a suicide course by marrying itself to deep state and elites. Blame them. I would vote for Tulsi or Bernie in 1 second. I might vote for Warren over Dump if she has the right answers and runs the right campaign tbqhhater, what crime are you claiming Hunter Biden committed?

[Spurtacular]

hater, what crime are you claiming Hunter Biden committed?

What crime are you claiming Trump committed, neutered Chump?

[boutons_deux]

As Trump Lies About The Bidens, Jared And Ivanka Made $82 Million While Working In The White House


Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, the president’s daughter and son-in-law, brought in at least $82 million in outside income while serving as senior White House advisers during 2017, according to financial disclosure forms released Monday.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/06/as-trump-lies-about-the-bidens-jared-and-ivanka-made-82-million-while-working-in-the-white-house.html (https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/06/as-trump-lies-about-the-bidens-jared-and-ivanka-made-82-million-while-working-in-the-white-house.html)

[Spurminator]

I'm a socialist of course I reserve my harshest criticism for my side. Or my supposed to be side. Which is not. Democrats are a fake party and socialists need to obliterate their establishment.

Never voted republican and never will unless a Ron Paul emerges from the ranks. Which is unlikely.

"I'm a socialist, but I'll vote Republican if they run a guy whose ideology is the literal opposite of socialism."

[Winehole23]

If hater talks long enough, he'll tell you who he is.

[Winehole23]

Now that y'all's appetite for fighting corruption has revived, would y'all be down with investigating Ivanka for getting a dozen Chinese trademarks during a trade war or Jared getting 600 million from Qatar while it was in a standoff with the KSA?

How about puny self dealing by Trump's adult sons?

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jr-eric-trump-taxpayers-1031092Radio silence from Trumpistas.

No interest in blatant Republican nepotism.

At all.

[Winehole23]

Or maybe, Jared and Ivanka were best qualified to serve.

Step up, Trumpistas.

Justify it.

[boutons_deux]

Profit, not politics: What some Trump allies did in Ukraine

https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/f8c1a17e4905487e850a16ae27dabc7f/800.jpeg
Bag-of-Hammers wonder WTF is going on?

Giuliani was trying to score major cash while manifesting a conspiracy theory to sink the Bidens.

“Their aims were profit, not politics,” the AP reported.

“This circle of businessmen and Republican donors touted connections to Giuliani and Trump while trying to install new management at the top of Ukraine’s massive state gas company.

those with ties to Trump and his administration were pursuing business deals in Ukraine

that went far beyond advancing the president’s personal political interests.

It also raises questions about whether Trump allies were mixing business and politics

just as Republicans were calling for a probe of Biden and his son (https://apnews.com/9d4595ba4f3140c6bb6a3473a91f4a4c) Hunter, who served five years on the board of another Ukrainian energy company, Burisma.

Their plan was to then steer lucrative contracts to companies controlled by Trump allies, according to two people with knowledge of their plans.”

The plan “hit a snag,” the AP reported, after Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko lost his reelection to Volodymyr Zelenskiy,

In an interview Friday with the Christian Broadcasting Network, :lol

Perry said that “as God as my witness” :lol "God, raise your right hand and promise to tell The Truth and nothin but."

he never discussed Biden or his son in meetings with Ukrainian or U.S. officials,

(https://apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5b85cd3dfa3500fb2)https://apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5b85cd3dfa3500fb2

Totally swampy crony Capitalist crooks.

Ukraine was known to be a huge turd of corruption, as usual with any client state of Pootin, so the American Capitalists fly in to deposit their maggots

[hater]

"I'm a socialist, but I'll vote Republican if they run a guy whose ideology is the literal opposite of socialism."

Libertarianism is not opposite to socialism imo. There is actually a thing called libertarian socialism and Noam Chomsky is a fan.

Open your eyes and see that you have been lied to. You do t have to pick one side.

[hater]

If hater talks long enough, he'll tell you who he is.

Thanks?

[boutons_deux]

Rick Perry denies he's resigning, insists he didn't pressure Ukraine on energy company board (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/7/1890788/-Rick-Perry-denies-he-s-resigning-insists-he-didn-t-pressure-Ukraine-on-energy-company-board)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1890788 (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1890788)

[Spurminator]

Libertarianism is not opposite to socialism imo. There is actually a thing called libertarian socialism and Noam Chomsky is a fan.

Yes, and there's also a thing called "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea." It's not Democratic, and Libertarian Socialism is not Socialism.

[hater]

Yes, and there's also a thing called "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea." It's not Democratic, and Libertarian Socialism is not Socialism.

Nobody said it was socialism tinker bell

And USA calls itself the most democratic nation in the world. Lol 2 party system being a democracy :lmao

[boutons_deux]

Hurd and McCaul chide Trump for seeking Biden dirt from China, Gooden rejects 'treason' claim; most GOP Texans mum

Even Trump's staunchest Texas allies in Congress steered clear after he asked China to dig up dirt on Joe Biden,

though Rep. Louie Gohmert :lol :lol :lol assailed the impeachment inquiry as a "coup."

Texas Republicans in Congress regularly denounce China as an authoritarian, communist regime that manipulates its currency, dumps products on the U.S. market, steals trade secrets and threatens regional stability.

But after President Donald Trump publicly urged China on Thursday to investigate Joe Biden — the Democratic front-runner for 2020 — just two expressed disapproval.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2019/10/03/texas-republicans-silent-trump-asking-china-dirt-biden-though-gohmert-sees-lawless-coup/ (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2019/10/03/texas-republicans-silent-trump-asking-china-dirt-biden-though-gohmert-sees-lawless-coup/)

[boutons_deux]

Why Haven't We Heard More About This Letter And More From The Senators Who Signed It? (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/7/1890329/-Why-Haven-t-We-Heard-More-About-This-Letter-And-More-From-The-Senators-Who-Signed-It)

“On Wednesday, Donald Trump said that GOP Sen. Rob Portman could back his account of dealings with the Ukraine.”

Portman ... unfortunately for Trump, could not back up Trump’s account –

he wouldn’t lie for Trump because Senator

Portman and a bipartisan group of senators,

prodded by Vice President Joe Biden,

had sent a letter in February 2016 to then-Ukranian President Petro Poroshenko urging him to crack down on corruption within the Ukrainian government.

The letter, in fact, supports Joe Biden’s account of how Victor Shokin, the Prosecutor General referred to in the bipartisan letter, came to be fired — a month after the letter was sent,

the Ukrainian legislature voted to remove Shokin.

The letter does not support the made-up,

baseless account that Trump has been pushing

where he called the firing “unfair ” and

then demanded an investigation into Biden and his son.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/7/1890329/-Why-Haven-t-We-Heard-More-About-This-Letter-And-More-From-The-Senators-Who-Signed-It?utm_campaign=trending (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/7/1890329/-Why-Haven-t-We-Heard-More-About-This-Letter-And-More-From-The-Senators-Who-Signed-It?utm_campaign=trending)

Of course, such facts are not known or cared about by Trash's cult mob, including a whole bunch of you ST Trash fellators

[boutons_deux]

There's a third man cropped out in image of Trump, Giuliani, and Ukrainian 'con' men (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/7/1890773/-There-s-a-third-man-cropped-out-of-image-of-Trump-Giuliani-and-Ukrainian-con-men)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGSPm_wWkAA-Y_9?format=jpg&name=900x900


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGSQE7IXkAM9hVI?format=png&name=small

With his wife nowhere in sight, Vice President Mike Pence, probably praying for big money and no whammies,

stands smiling next to the other con men.

I doubt there was anything insidious in the Herald’s omission of Pence, as the article is about Trump and Giuliani, not Pence.

But, as we now know—and sort of always assumed—

Mike Pence might be a lapdog but he’s fully involved in every move going on in this administration.

In more recent breaking news, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, along with Harry Sargeant III have been implicated in

working to position Republicans, and possibly Trump and Giuliani, to privately gain from Naftogaz (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/7/1890740/-Team-Trump-screams-about-Ukrainian-corruption-while-shaking-down-Ukrainian-officials-for-profit), the Ukrainian state gas company.

Parnas and Fruman also seem to have been peddling promises of Ukranian corruption dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Vice President Pence is a poor man’s Harry Lime, but just as unscrupulous.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/7/1890773/-There-s-a-third-man-cropped-out-of-image-of-Trump-Giuliani-and-Ukrainian-con-men?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/7/1890773/-There-s-a-third-man-cropped-out-of-image-of-Trump-Giuliani-and-Ukrainian-con-men?detail=emaildkre)

================

Into the light step Lev and Igor, Giuliani’s Ukrainian hustlers

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Fsundaytimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fa0a8ddb c-e767-11e9-ad63-2dc2cb80bbf7.jpg?crop=2667%2C1500%2C0%2C0&resize=685

Two men from Florida’s Little Moscow face a grilling in Congress over political donations and calls to Kiev prosecutors

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/into-the-light-step-lev-and-igor-giulianis-ukrainian-hustlers-3dg9rkf9w

====================

A group faced heat for being too political.

Then it feted Giuliani’s ‘Florida fixers’

The leader of the Orthodox Jewish organization that bestowed honors on two South Florida men sought for questioning in the congressional impeachment inquiry said Thursday he was unaware of the pair’s legal and political entanglements.

In a response to questions from McClatchy and the Miami Herald, Farley Weiss, president of the board of directors of the National Council of Young Israel (https://www.youngisrael.org/ourstory/), acknowledged his organization was “unaware of any potential issues” about Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas.

They are Soviet-born emigrees living in South Florida who have since been thrust into the spotlight in the wake of stories about Rudy Giuliani’s efforts in Ukraine on behalf of President Donald Trump.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article235776342.html (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article235776342.html)

[hater]

https://twitter.com/peterschweizer/status/1181908653470822402?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1182138532988628993?s=19


:lmao average joe

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1182138532988628993?s=19


:lmao average joeSo after your extensive investigation, what crimes do you say Hunter and Joe Biden committed?


Please be specific as befits your obviously thorough investigatory skills.

Thanks in advance.

[hater]

:lmao Biden campaign lashing out at NTY, Twitter and Facebook all unsuccessfully :lmao

https://twitter.com/AaronLeuer/status/1182136729475719168?s=19

[Pavlov]

Not gonna even try, eh?

So after your extensive investigation, what crimes do you say Hunter and Joe Biden committed?


Please be specific as befits your obviously thorough investigatory skills.

Thanks in advance.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1182259309540990976?s=19

[clambake]

look over here, dammit

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1182259309540990976?s=19The Trump family crusade against nepotism goes on....

[Spurminator]

Imagine posting an Eric Trump tweet about anything.

[hater]

Lol



https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1182492770465976327?s=19

[hater]

:lmao average joe

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1182650889577865218?s=19

[Pavlov]

:lmao average joe

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1182650889577865218?s=19Oh?

What did he say?

Give the quotes!

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s entire Ukraine ‘anti-corruption’ team was corrupt—
(https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/10/1891534/-Trump-s-entire-Ukraine-anti-corruption-team-was-corrupt-and-funded-by-unnamed-Russian-source)
and funded by unnamed Russian source (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/10/1891534/-Trump-s-entire-Ukraine-anti-corruption-team-was-corrupt-and-funded-by-unnamed-Russian-source) :lol

was to extort an entire nation and grossly distort U.S. foreign policy merely for the purpose of smearing Joe Biden.

Here is the information available as of Thursday afternoon.

Four men were indicted on campaign finance violations, in particular for funneling money from foreign sources and soliciting a U.S. congressman for help in getting rid of U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch. The congressman has been unofficially identified as former Republican Rep. Pete Sessions.

Two of the men, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, have previously been identified by Rudy Giuliani as “clients.” Parnas and Fruman are now clients of another former Trump attorney, John Dowd, who represented them in legal filings on Thursday.

Parnas accompanied Giuliani to a meeting with U.S. Ambassador Kurt Volker in July. Volker mentioned this meeting in his appearance before Congress, describing it as “a long conversation about Ukraine.” That conversation included both the effort to get Ukraine to launch an investigation into Joe Biden and efforts to secure an investigation into supposed Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 election.

Both Parnas and Fruman were involved in helping Giuliani “establish contacts” among current and former Ukrainian officials. That appears to include a former prosecutor who, temporarily, agreed to testify that Biden had done something wrong, before admitting that he was only trying to please Trump and Giuliani. According to the documents provided by Dowd, the two men worked for Giuliani “in connection with his representation of President Trump.”

Funding for some of the contributions made came from “a foreign national Russian citizen and businessman,” according to the indictment. The four men indicted, along with “others known and unknown,” are reported to have conspired together to pass donations from this unknown Russian to candidates for both state and federal office.

Parnas and Fruman attempted to flee the country and were arrested at Dulles Airport after purchasing one-way tickets on an international flight. Another of those indicted, Andrew Kukushkin, was arrested in San Francisco.

Before running for the border, Parnas and Fruman had lunch with Rudy Giuliani. No details have yet emerged about discussions at that lunch, or whether Giuliani was aware of any pending legal action.

$325,000 from Parnas and Fruman went through an LLC set up to disguise the source of the contributions to America First Action PAC, a pro-Trump PAC where Donald Trump Jr. is part of the leadership, along with several former members of the Trump White House.

In an afternoon briefing, the FBI called the actions both “corruption” and “deliberate law-breaking.”

Though a set of grand jury indictments has been provided, the actual charging documents have not been produced. That leaves open the possibility that others may be charged—including Giuliani.

Giuliani’s first response to the arrests was a statement that he didn’t believe the two men would “flip” on him, which is not exactly the first thought of someone uninvolved in crimes.

The biggest point out of the afternoon press conference involving the U.S. attorney for Manhattan and the New York office of the FBI was that this remains an “ongoing investigation,” again suggesting that the last handcuff is yet to be deployed.

working to get rid of Ambassador Yovanovitch and

making that request directly to Rep. Pete Sessions

after giving him substantial contributions. :lol For Sale! :lol

And they had lunch with Giuliani right before heading for the airport to try and flee the country.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/10/1891534/-Trump-s-entire-Ukraine-anti-corruption-team-was-corrupt-and-funded-by-unnamed-Russian-source?detail=emaildkre

Did Julie Annie tip off his accomplices to flee the USA?

How would JA have known?

Tipped by some of his old buddies NY LE and/or FBI?

[boutons_deux]

Intel chairman tells Maddow to expect more resignations after Mike Pompeo lost top diplomat


“Michael McKinley, a career diplomat and senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, has resigned his position

amid rising dissatisfaction and plummeting morale inside the State Department

over what is seen as Pompeo’s failure to support personnel ensnared in the Ukraine controversy,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/intel-chairman-tells-maddow-to-expect-more-resignations-after-mike-pompeo-lost-top-diplomat/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1696 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/intel-chairman-tells-maddow-to-expect-more-resignations-after-mike-pompeo-lost-top-diplomat/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1696)

[boutons_deux]

Nation Shocked That Giuliani Has Associates

WASHINGTON —After learning that two of Rudy Giuliani’s associates had been charged with federal campaign-finance crimes, millions of Americans expressed their stunned disbelief that Giuliani had associates.

“By ‘associates,’ do they mean people who actually associate with Giuliani?”

Carol Foyler, who lives in St. Louis, said.

“This whole story doesn’t add up.”

“I read that these quote-unquote associates of Giuliani’s were actually business associates,” Tracy Klugian, of Butte, Montana, said.

“If that means he was paying them a lot of money to associate with him, that could explain everything.”

“It said on the news that these associates were foreign-born,” Kevin Lockdale, of Portland, Maine, said.

“Maybe they don’t speak English too well and so

they don’t realize that everything Giuliani says is batshit.

I mean, I know I’m grasping at straws, but I’m trying to make sense of this whole associates thing.”

Harland Dorrinson, a clinical psychologist who has done a ten-year study on the social isolation of despised people, said that

the existence of Giuliani’s two associates

should give “hope to the detestable” everywhere.

“Honestly, if Giuliani can have associates, anyone can,” he said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/nation-shocked-that-giuliani-has-associates (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/nation-shocked-that-giuliani-has-associates)

[boutons_deux]

Rudy Giuliani is officially under criminal investigation

the FBI and federal prosecutors were looking into whether Rudy Giuliani’s (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/feds-are-now-looking-at-giulianis-financial-ties-to-the-two-arrested-associates-cnn/) finances were tied to the two Soviet-born business associates that were indicted.

By Friday, it became official that Giuliani was part of a criminal investigation,

Giuliani was also slated to follow with his own international flights, but the federal investigators stopped them all.

Attorney John Dowd has called the story “horsesh*t.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-is-officially-under-criminal-investigation-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1702&recip_id=298460&list_id=1 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-is-officially-under-criminal-investigation-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1702&recip_id=298460&list_id=1)

[boutons_deux]

House Intel member reveals witnesses say the same thing: The Ukraine call is ‘just the tip of the iceberg’

“Essentially everybody is telling us the same thing,

which is that the phone call was just the tip of the iceberg on July 25th,” Raskin said.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/house-intel-member-reveals-witnesses-say-the-same-thing-the-ukraine-call-is-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/house-intel-member-reveals-witnesses-say-the-same-thing-the-ukraine-call-is-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg/)

[boutons_deux]

‘Trump’s eyes and ears’: Matt Gaetz blocked from closed-door hearing with Russia aide

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) was prevented from entering the closed-door hearing where former Russia adviser Fiona Hill was testifying.

Gaetz does not sit on any of those committees, and

the House parliamentarian agreed with House Intelligence committee chairman Schiff that

the Trump ally could not attend the hearing.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trumps-eyes-and-ears-matt-gaetz-blocked-from-closed-door-hearing-with-russia-aide/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1722

[boutons_deux]

By the Way, Trump’s Favorite Ukrainian Prosecutor Helped a Key Witness Flee the Mueller Investigation

Trump asked Zelensky to reinstate his country’s former prosecutor general, Yuri Lutsenko.

In the impeachment part of our story, Trump wanted Lutsenko back in office because Lutsenko had been meeting with Rudy Giuliani to discuss a smear campaign against Joe Biden and to indulge Giuliani and Trump’s (ludicrous, non-evidence-based) belief that Ukrainian officials collaborated with the Democratic National Committee in 2016 to frame Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort for the fraud charges for which he was later convicted by a U.S. jury.

Lutsenko had also played a crucial role in the Mueller investigation itself, in an episode that also involved Manafort.

Manafort provided Trump campaign polling information to Konstantin Kilimnik—

a former business partner who, Mueller’s lawyers wrote (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/mueller-manafort-kilimnik-no-collusion-how.html) in court filings,

“has ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016.” The intelligence service in question was the GRU (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/robert-mueller-trump-russia-sanctions-glenn-greenwald.html), which is the same service that hacked and distributed Democratic emails during the campaign.

Although Ukraine had agreed to cooperate with Mueller’s investigation,

Lutsenko allowed Kilimnik to leave the country for Russia without answering questions.

Ultimately, Mueller concluded that his office

“could not reliably determine Manafort’s purpose in sharing internal polling data with Kilimnik during the campaign period,”

Lutsenko’s involvement in hiding Kilimnik is not a conspiracy theory:

It’s something that the New York Times reported on aspects of (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/world/europe/ukraine-mueller-manafort-missiles.html) when it happened and that has reportedly been confirmed (https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/10/08/ukraine-continued-the-key-witness-who-was-allowed-escape/) in internal State Department documents.

Kilmnik, who had “ties” to the agency that led the attack against the Clinton campaign,

received proprietary information from Trump’s campaign chairman.

Lutsenko made sure he wouldn’t ever have to answer law enforcement questions about the situation.

Later, Trump called the president of Ukraine and told him Lutsenko was great and needed to be rehired.

Maybe someone should look into this?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-ukraine-scandal-manafort-mueller-collusion.html (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-ukraine-scandal-manafort-mueller-collusion.html)

[boutons_deux]

Trump sycophant Rand Paul says ‘fair’ to investigate Hunter Biden — then immediately denounces investigating Ivanka and Jared

is calling for an investigation into Hunter Biden, despite there being no evidence or even legitimate suggestion he has committed any crimes.

But when asked about the very legitimate disturbing acts by the President’s daughter and son-in-law,

the Kentucky Republican lawmaker immediately offered an entirely different answer.

“Does that mean we should be looking deeper into how Jared Kushner’s family got foreign money for 666 Fifth Avenue,”

MSNBC anchor Stephanie Ruhle asked Paul,

“How Ivanka Trump got 13 trademarks from the Chinese government,

how she was able to expand her brand since she took office? I mean, giddyap, let’s do it.”

“If, if, you want to go, if, if we want to go, yeah, if we want to go, if we want to go down the road of the politics of self destruction of everybody, criminalize all politicians on both sides of the aisle, go after their family, yes, we could do that,”

Senator Paul, literally

saying only Democrats who are private citizens, and

not Republicans who are literally working in the White House,

should be investigated.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-sycophant-rand-paul-says-fair-to-investigate-hunter-biden-then-immediately-denounces-investigating-ivanka-and-jared/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1731&recip_id=298460&list_id=1 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-sycophant-rand-paul-says-fair-to-investigate-hunter-biden-then-immediately-denounces-investigating-ivanka-and-jared/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1731&recip_id=298460&list_id=1)

KY jelly heads gives the USA MoscowMitch and wombat-hair Ayn Rand Paul, Thanks!

[boutons_deux]

State Dept official testifying on Capitol Hill has warned for months about Giuliani’s ‘disinformation’ campaign

George P. Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state in charge of Ukraine policy who is testifying on Capitol Hill as part of House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry, has reportedly

been warning colleagues about Rudy Giuliani running a “disinformation” campaign since this past March.

Kent for several months has “raised concerns to colleagues early… about the pressure being directed at Ukraine by

Mr. Trump and his private lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, to pursue investigations into Mr. Trump’s political rivals.”

Kent would point to

“Giuliani’s role in what he called a ‘disinformation’ campaign intended

to use a Ukrainian prosecutor to smear targets of the president,”

including former Vice President Joe Biden and former Ukrainian ambassador Marie Yovanovitch.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/state-dept-official-testifying-on-capitol-hill-has-warned-for-months-about-giulianis-disinformation-campaign-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1731 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/state-dept-official-testifying-on-capitol-hill-has-warned-for-months-about-giulianis-disinformation-campaign-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1731)

[boutons_deux]

“SHE IS DEFINITELY THE HERO”:

DEFIANCE INSIDE THE STATE DEPARTMENT AFTER YOVANOVITCH STANDS UP TO TRUMP


For demoralized staffers, the former ambassador’s testimony felt like a turning point.

It also raises existential questions for a diplomatic corps that serves at the president’s pleasure—

including whether Mike Pompeo can salvage his credibility on the world stage after being exposed as another Trump stooge.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/defiance-inside-the-state-department-after-yovanovitch-stands-up-to-trump?mbid=nl_th_5da524543627570008a88391&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_101519&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_101519&utm_term=VYF_Hive (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/defiance-inside-the-state-department-after-yovanovitch-stands-up-to-trump?mbid=nl_th_5da524543627570008a88391&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_101519&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_101519&utm_term=VYF_Hive)

[boutons_deux]

Trump officials are worried the president is trying to find a ‘scapegoat’

“President Trump has for weeks sought to unmask the whistle-blower who shed light on his Ukraine dealings.

But instead aides have fixated on one another: :lol rats attacking rats! :lol

Advisers began a fact-finding review that

some fear is a hunt for a scapegoat

“They are seeking to understand White House officials’ actions

around Mr. Trump’s July 25 call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine,

which is central to the whistle-blower’s allegation that Mr. Trump abused his power.”

John Eisenberg is reportedly at the center of the investigation.

“The lawyers’ inquiry centers on why one of their colleagues, the deputy White House counsel John A. Eisenberg,

placed a rough transcript of the call in a computer system typically reserved for the country’s most closely guarded secrets,”

“Eisenberg reacted angrily to suggestions that he is under scrutiny, according to two people told of his response.”

The publication of the report in The New York Times destroyed one of Trump’s talking points.

“The existence of the review also threatens Mr. Trump’s narrative that his call with Mr. Zelensky was “perfect.”

Instead, the review underscores the evidence that

he bent foreign policy to his personal advantage

by pressing Mr. Zelensky to open investigations that could damage his political opponents,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-officials-are-worried-the-president-is-trying-to-find-a-scapegoat-report/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-officials-are-worried-the-president-is-trying-to-find-a-scapegoat-report/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/us/politics/white-house-review-ukraine.html

Trash fucking ADMITTED he made the call and its contents.

[boutons_deux]

Giuliani ‘undermined 28 years of US efforts to try to promote the rule of law in Ukraine’: Pompeo deputy

Rudy Giuliani, to conduct foreign policy on his behalf, but State Department Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent said that

Giuliani made things worse.
According to Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA), Kent testified behind closed doors that

Giuliani’s efforts in Ukraine “undermined 28 years of US efforts to try to promote the rule of law in Ukraine.”

three people would be responsible for Ukraine policy, Kent testified.

Former Special Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker,

Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland and

Energy Secretary Rick Perry

were the only government point people for Ukraine issues.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/giuliani-undermined-28-years-of-us-efforts-to-try-to-promote-the-rule-of-law-in-ukraine-pompeo-deputy/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/giuliani-undermined-28-years-of-us-efforts-to-try-to-promote-the-rule-of-law-in-ukraine-pompeo-deputy/)

[boutons_deux]

Trash will also scapegoat fucking Catholic Mulvaney?

Mulvaney emerges as a key facilitator of the campaign to pressure Ukraine

In late May, acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney organized a meeting that

stripped control of the country’s relationship with Ukraine

from those who had the most expertise at the National Security Council and the State Department.

Mulvaney put an unlikely trio in charge of managing the U.S.-Ukraine account amid worrisome signs of a new priority

a new priority...:

pressuring the fledgling government in Kiev to deliver material that would be politically valuable to President Trump.

“three amigos,” as they came to call themselves — diplomats Gordon Sondland and Kurt Volker, plus Energy Secretary Rick Perry

Mulvaney’s connections to the administration’s troubled interactions with Ukraine are also beginning to surface.

Giuliani, who, as Trump’s personal lawyer, also served as the president’s emissary to Ukraine (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/giuliani-pursued-shadow-ukraine-agenda-as-key-foreign-policy-officials-were-sidelined/2019/09/24/ee18aaec-deec-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html?tid=lk_inline_manual_10). “Mulvaney was not a big player in this.

I dealt with Volker and Sondland.”

Mulvaney contributed substantially to the unfolding political crisis,

both through his connection to key events related to the attempt to pressure Kiev and

through his general approach to the chief of staff job,

which was driven by a perceived reluctance to displease the president.

Mulvaney met frequently with Sondland and that details of their

discussions were kept from then-National Security Adviser John Bolton and other officials who were raising internal concerns about the hidden Ukraine agenda.

Mulvaney also tolerated meetings between Trump and Giuliani at a time when Giuliani was brazenly declaring in interviews his intent to enlist Kiev in efforts to substantiate conspiracy theories about the 2016 election

Perhaps most significantly,

Mulvaney — at the direction of the president (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html?tid=lk_inline_manual_18)— placed a hold on nearly $400 million in aid to Ukraine

in the weeks before Trump used a July 25 phone call to pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to pursue Giuliani’s agenda.

Sondland, Volker and Giuliani had laid the groundwork for that call over months of meetings with Ukrainian officials, texting one another the need

to secure a commitment to produce what Sondland described as Trump’s “deliverable.”

could not have proceeded, current and former administration officials said, without

Mulvaney facilitating meetings, halting the flow of aid and circumventing the national security bureaucracy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/mulvaney-emerges-as-a-key-facilitator-of-the-campaign-to-pressure-ukraine/2019/10/15/9d46b7ae-ef76-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/mulvaney-emerges-as-a-key-facilitator-of-the-campaign-to-pressure-ukraine/2019/10/15/9d46b7ae-ef76-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

As with Trash and his mafiya lying, forgetting, obstructing Mueller the Russian investigation IF they were innocent, why was Mulvaney, IF an innocent project, cutting out so many people from the Ukraine extortion?

[boutons_deux]

Fiona Hill testified that there was a quid pro quo (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/15/1892638/-Sen-Chris-Murphy-Fiona-Hill-testified-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo)

In a White House meeting, Sondland tells Ukrainians they will get a Trump meeting if they open the investigations Trump wants.

Then, Sondland follows the Ukrainians out of the meeting to privately make clear he's talking about Hunter Biden.

we all know that Trump was holding up aid to Ukraine as leverage against its government —

not because Trump is suddenly concerned about “corruption.”

Mother Jones (https://www.motherjones.com/impeachment/2019/10/sondland-spelled-out-quid-pro-quo-in-meeting-with-ukrainians-senator-says/?fbclid=IwAR1sXgTo6-i8RH4lWS47Wj1uPWj0iNQPTZCNrQzRDnpzfQqoYhP51XyyIYs) :

The Trump administration appears to have been holding two things over the head of Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, as it demanded investigations into both the Bidens and the origins of the FBI’s Russia investigation.

One was military aid, which Trump held up until late summer.

The other was a potential face-to-face meeting between Trump and Zelensky, something the new Ukrainian government seemed to want badly in order to showcase its close relationship with the United States.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/15/1892638/-Sen-Chris-Murphy-Fiona-Hill-testified-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/15/1892638/-Sen-Chris-Murphy-Fiona-Hill-testified-that-there-was-a-quid-pro-quo?detail=emaildkre)

[boutons_deux]

Biden finally unloads on Trump for smearing his son:

‘Release your tax returns or shut up’

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/biden-finally-unloads-on-trump-for-smearing-his-son-release-your-tax-returns-or-shut-up/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1739

[boutons_deux]

How Don Jr., Ivanka, and Eric Trump Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency

No one knows a “clear conflict of interest” when they see it better than the president's children.

https://media.gq.com/photos/5d9f43b2b2ccb20008b493e0/16:9/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Trump-Kids-and-Their-Sketchy-Business-Deals-gq-october-101019.jpg


“Why didn’t @JoeBiden recuse himself from dealing with Ukraine?” Don Jr. tweeted (https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1179398198592495619?s=20) recently.

“His son was on the board of a Ukrainian energy company that had been investigated by the prosecutor who Joe pushed to be fired.”

This, Don Jr. argued, created the “appearance of impropriety,” and constituted a “clear conflict of interest.”

Eric was similarly critical of this arrangement in an appearance on Laura Ingraham’s Fox News show on October 2.

Hunter, Biden’s son, “didn’t know anything about the industry he was in,” Eric protested.

“He didn’t have any discernible duties, and he’s getting paid $50,000 a month?

And then he gets $1.5 billion from China? Laura, it’s insane.”

the Trumps have omitted or misstated key facts en route to their anti-nepotism outrage.

Setting aside the alternative facts underlying the Trump kids’ criticisms, however,

their decision to wade into this controversy is notable for a different reason:

During their father’s tenure as president,

Don Jr. and Eric have repeatedly managed to cash in on their newfound positions of political privilege in their business dealings.

So, too, have their sister Ivanka and brother-in-law Jared Kushner,

both of whom hold senior positions in the administration and

whose companies and investment portfolios netted them anywhere between $29 million and $135 million last year, per (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/business/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-net-worth.html) their financial disclosure forms.

Here are some of the highlights of when the family's business intertwining with government affairs

constituted the “appearance of impropriety” and “conflict of interest.”

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-kids-profit-presidency?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=pol&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_mailing=Thematic_Ballot_10162019&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&utm_content=Final&utm_term=Thematic_Ballot_Subscribers

[Quadzilla99]

https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1182259309540990976?s=19

Eric Trump complaining about nepotism lol

[boutons_deux]

Ambassador Sondland Throws Trump Under the Bus

The U.S. ambassador to the EU will tell Congress that

he was effectively forced to work with Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine by the President.

https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_2471,w_4394,x_0,y_0/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_1044/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1571320881/RTS2RK92_nelvtc

will tell Congress that he was told by President Trump that he had to help his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani (https://www.thedailybeast.com/impeachment-inquiry-us-ambassador-roped-into-rudy-giulianis-quest-to-smear-biden) with his plan on Ukraine.

“I did not understand, until much later,

that Mr. Giuliani’s agenda might have also included

an effort to prompt the Ukrainians to investigate Vice President Biden or his son or

to involve Ukrainians, directly or indirectly, in the President’s 2020 reelection campaign.”

He and Giuliani encouraged President Zelensky to publicly announce an investigation into the Bidens.

“Please know that I would not have recommended that Mr. Giuliani or any private citizen be involved in these foreign policy matters.

However, given the President’s explicit direction,

as well as the importance we attached to arranging a White House meeting between Presidents Trump and Zelensky,

we agreed to do as President Trump directed,”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sondland-throws-trump-under-the-bus (https://www.thedailybeast.com/sondland-throws-trump-under-the-bus)

[DMC]

Eric Trump complaining about nepotism lol

That's not really about nepotism. That's about corruption.

[boutons_deux]

That's not really about nepotism. That's about corruption.

Kushner with a security clearance ordered by Trash over security professionals' objections and making $10Ms, obtaining $100Ms in loans from sovereign funds, while advisor to so-called President Trash, are both nepotism and corruption.

[DMC]

Kushner with a security clearance ordered by Trash over security professionals' objections and making $10Ms, obtaining $100Ms in loans from sovereign funds, while advisor to so-called President Trash, are both nepotism and corruption.

I'm pretty sure this is about Donald Trump jr. And Hunter Biden. Why you dragged Kushner into this I have no idea.

[boutons_deux]

Here’s the connection between Trump’s Ukraine scandal and convict Paul Manafort’s multitude of crimes

the current Ukraine scandal engulfing the Trump White House (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trumps-ukraine-lies-are-falling-apart-because-diplomats-want-no-part-of-taking-the-blame-for-him-columnist/) actually started last decade,

when former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort started working as a lobbyist in the former Soviet republic.

“Let’s start with Trump’s former campaign manager,” he began.

“Right now Paul Manafort is in federal prison,

but more than a decade ago, he riding high in Ukraine as a political Svengali for a pro-Putin Ukrainian president —

somehow managing to pull in $60 million in a country where the average salary is just 200 bucks!”


Avlon then explained how the corrupt pro-Putin government created a chaotic situation for Ukraine,

which is what pushed multiple Western governments to urge the country to fire former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin,

who was seen as unwilling to prosecute corruption cases that might expose the nation’s political elites.

It was shortly after Shokin’s dismissal, Avlon said, that Trump brought Manafort onto his campaign.

And it appears that Manafort’s subsequent arrest and conviction on multiple counts of tax and bank fraud (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/paul-manafort-gets-additional-43-months-prison-second-sentencing-conspiracy-charges/) over his work in Ukraine was what

helped convince Trump to buy into the bogus conspiracy theory

that it was really Ukraine that hacked the Democratic National Committee in 2016.

“But at the end of the day,

there’s only one winner in this twisted tale, and

his name is Vladimir Putin. Same as it ever was.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/heres-the-connection-between-trumps-ukraine-scandal-and-convict-paul-manaforts-multitude-of-crimes-cnns-avlon/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/heres-the-connection-between-trumps-ukraine-scandal-and-convict-paul-manaforts-multitude-of-crimes-cnns-avlon/)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's not really about nepotism. That's about corruption.

Yeah because Trump's scion's are just so qualified to hold those WH and NSC positions.

[DMC]

Yeah because Trump's scion's are just so qualified to hold those WH and NSC positions.

The Hunter Biden issue is about corruption not about nepotism. Unless you think Joe Biden runs that Energy company in the Ukraine how can it be about nepotism? It could be about corruption because the Ukraine could be trying to gain favor of the United States by hiring the son of the vice president but it's not like Joe Biden hired him.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Suspects a Spiteful John Bolton Is Behind Some of the Ukraine Leaks

Trump fears the leaks are now coming from the people he chose to serve him—and

that only increases the paranoia currently infecting the West Wing.

Donald Trump is feeling besieged by snitches.

President Trump has privately raised suspicions that a spiteful John Bolton, his notoriously hawkish former national security adviser, could be one of the sources behind the flood of leaks against him, three people familiar with the comments said.

Trump guessed that Bolton was behind one of the anonymous accounts that listed the former national security adviser as one of the top officials most disturbed by the Ukraine-related efforts of Trump and Rudy Giuliani,

Bolton, for his part, told The Daily Beast last month that allegations that he was a leaker in Trump’s midst are “flatly incorrect (https://www.thedailybeast.com/did-trump-and-bolton-break-over-iranor-the-leaks)”

near the end of the Mueller probe, the president became so distrustful and resentful toward Don McGahn, his own White House counsel at the time, he started asking those close to him, “Is [Don] wearing a wire (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-favorite-impeachment-lawyer-is-trump-himself)?”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-suspects-a-spiteful-john-bolton-is-behind-ukraine-leaks?ref=home (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-suspects-a-spiteful-john-bolton-is-behind-ukraine-leaks?ref=home)

[boutons_deux]

Here’s why Sondland’s testimony is devastating to Trump — whether he wants it to be or not


https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/sondland.jpg

“While wrapped in diplomatic-speak and hemming-and-hawing,

the statement of Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to European Union,

is devastating to Trump and Giuliani,”

“Given the surrounding evidence, either

Giuliani has to say he lied to Sondland, or

Trump has to be impeached

it is important to dig through it,

because, while quite clear on most dates,

it takes jumping a bit around in the statement to figure out the date of the key event.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/heres-why-sondlands-testimony-is-devastating-to-trump-whether-he-wants-it-to-be-or-not/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1751 (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/heres-why-sondlands-testimony-is-devastating-to-trump-whether-he-wants-it-to-be-or-not/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1751)

[boutons_deux]

From a NY Times email





Why Mick Mulvaney admitted the quid pro quo













I talked to my colleague Maggie Haberman about why he said something so stunning.





Maggie, whoa. That happened in front of reporters at the White House.





The briefing was jaw-dropping by any metric. He admitted to a quid pro quo.

But it showed once again something you and I talked about two weeks ago (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/newsletter/Ygah3uQwpSmfoCMo6hxsXg~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRfi4cbP0TjaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vMjAxOS 8xMC8wMy91cy9wb2xpdGljcy90cnVtcC1uZXdzLXRvZGF5Lmh0 bWw_dGU9MSZubD1pbXBlYWNobWVudC1icmllZmluZyZlbWM9ZW RpdF9pYl8yMDE5MTAxOD9jYW1wYWlnbl9pZD0xNDAmaW5zdGFu Y2VfaWQ9MTMxNzcmc2VnbWVudF9pZD0xODAwMiZ1c2VyX2lkPT k5MmQ2MDgyMTRiNTA1MDAzYWEwNGJmMTBhNTk1MDMxJnJlZ2lf aWQ9ODA4MjE3OTdXA255dEIKACUbAqldfUgsb1ITZGFybm9jbm VsQGdtYWlsLmNvbVgEAAAAAA~~):

Mr. Trump tries to shift the window on conduct by revealing stuff publicly to take the sting out of its discovery.

Mr. Mulvaney insisted the terminology doesn’t matter, but

he bluntly acknowledged that aid was withheld from Ukraine to get a desired outcome on an investigation.

That is at the heart of what Democrats have been trying to ascertain.





Was it actually the plan for him to do this?





I do think it was, yes — at least in part. Remember, this happened as Mr. Sondland was on the Hill giving a closed-door deposition.

So I think Mr. Mulvaney was trying to rob House Democrats of a headline and frame the events on his own,

to take the air out of the sails by saying it out loud.

But it’s not clear that he was actually supposed to say there was a quid pro quo.

It’s breathtaking that he’s the first person they’ve sent out to expressly discuss these issues and that he said so much.





How might this affect the impeachment investigation?





He came out and

admitted to a lot of what House Democrats were hoping to get from him in a deposition!

I can’t imagine the White House counsel and others were thrilled. Mr. Mulvaney and the counsel’s office have been at odds lately.




I’m sensing some irony in the outcome, then.





Mr. Mulvaney’s job has been perceived as being in jeopardy.

There isn’t a clear replacement for him right now, but he may not have helped himself today. We don’t yet know how Mr. Trump feels about what Mr. Mulvaney said. But if past is prelude, if it proves problematic, the president will blame Mr. Mulvaney.




Here’s how my colleague Katie Rogers, who was in the room, described the scene:





Reporters knew this was big news right away,

and I think you saw the incredulity in the questions that were asked of him.

We kept asking the same question in different ways, which was essentially:

“How is what you’re telling us not an acknowledgment of something the president has outright denied?”

The first time he said it, I emailed our White House team saying,

“Did he actually just link Ukraine conspiracy theories to withholding aid?”

All of us in the room were trying to figure out if what we were watching was actually happening.

[koriwhat]

Eric Trump complaining about nepotism lol

you know what nepotism is right? it's not getting a job on a board of an energy company your father isn't an employee of. dumbass!

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1185003679759253504?s=19

[hater]

Hunter needs more TV appearances :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Diplomat tells investigators he raised alarms in 2015 about Hunter Biden’s Ukraine work but was rebuffed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/diplomat-tells-investigators-he-raised-alarms-in-2015-about-hunter-bidens-ukraine-work-but-was-rebuffed/2019/10/18/81e35be9-4f5a-4048-8520-0baabb18ab63_story.html

[Pavlov]

Diplomat tells investigators he raised alarms in 2015 about Hunter Biden’s Ukraine work but was rebuffed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/diplomat-tells-investigators-he-raised-alarms-in-2015-about-hunter-bidens-ukraine-work-but-was-rebuffed/2019/10/18/81e35be9-4f5a-4048-8520-0baabb18ab63_story.htmlYes, optics bad. What crimes did he and Joe commit?

[SnakeBoy]

Yes, optics bad. What crimes did he and Joe commit?

So you agree it appears bad. Should we investigate?

[Pavlov]

So you agree it appears bad. Should we investigate?Investigate what?

What crimes are you alleging?

[SnakeBoy]

Investigate what?

What crimes are you alleging?

I didn't allege crimes. You believe it appears as though something bad took place. Should we investigate?

[Pavlov]

I didn't allege crimes. You believe it appears as though something bad took place.:lol No, I didn't say that. Don't make shit up.

What are you saying should be investigated?

[SnakeBoy]

:lol No, I didn't say that. Don't make shit up.



Yes, optics bad.

You believe it appears as though something bad took place. Should we investigate?

[Spurminator]

I didn't allege crimes. You believe it appears as though something bad took place. Should we investigate?

Investigations start with specific criminal allegations. If you're not alleging a crime, then the answer to "should we investigate?" is no.

[Pavlov]

You believe it appears as though something bad took place.

:lol No, I didn't say that. Don't make shit up.

What are you saying should be investigated?

[DMC]

What does Optics bad mean? If that doesn't suggest that it has a bad appearance what does it mean?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1185199917456936969?s=19

[Pavlov]

What does Optics bad mean? If that doesn't suggest that it has a bad appearance what does it mean?It doesn't mean it appears a crime was committed.

He made a faulty inference.