What are your realistic Dream Packages if we have a fire sale?

[TimDunkem]

Three 1st rounders next year would be amazing. You could easily move up or flip those for pieces later. That's only stuff teams with good front offices do though.

[Excessive Egotist]

It's probably been covered, but if not...

On a recent podcast Hollinger suggested Gay and Bertans had better trade value than Aldridge and DeRozan for various market circumstances. He indicated first round picks were not at all guaranteed for either DeRozan or Aldridge. Seems like the market for both players is closer to a horizontal talent swap, or a young player and a second. So, as someone else suggested here, something like DeRozan to Detroit for Doumbouya, Jackson, and a second. Maybe Jackson plus a pair of seconds (one from Detroit, one from SA) could spring Gallinari in a three team with OKC. Same kind of scenario to Portland for Aldridge--maybe returning Little and a second to the Spurs.

So, a very depressed market for both Aldridge and DeRozan...

San Antonio can't be too excited with those prospects, unless they determine to completely turn over the future to their young core and move on from playoff contention this season.

[gambit1990]

hopefully demar for cp3 is growing on okc so demar can help okc tank...

[gambit1990]

cp3 + diallo + noel and the spurs season gets exciting.

[gambit1990]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypXPKKbh31Y

[timtonymanu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypXPKKbh31Y

Don't see the Thunder trading him away now that they're overachieving, unless they were planning to tank all along. But we said the same about the Clippers last year.

[RC_Drunkford]

Reports are saying that the Pelicans have made Jrue Holiday available. I'd trade DeRozan for him. Works salary wise and would improve the D. Give them Forbes too and start Holiday with Murray and Walker

[spurraider21]

Hmm interesting.. I am sure it is because Pop said so, but just kind of odd that there is some confusion about it.
yeah spurs fully guaranteed it for no reason at the start of the season

timvp said it was just a goodwill gesture

chumpdumper said it was a move that was good for "signaling" to others that the spurs are still trying to win

[spurraider21]

Reports are saying that the Pelicans have made Jrue Holiday available. I'd trade DeRozan for him. Works salary wise and would improve the D. Give them Forbes too and start Holiday with Murray and Walker
why would the pelicans trade holiday for derozan?

[tbdog]

We got 2 pgs and Mills. We not trading for a pg.

[Prime BEEF]

Just for fun. Cuz why not.

1st Move:
Murray/DDR/Poetl to Detroit for Drummond/RJackson ($18.5M exp contract)/1st Rd Pick

2nd Move:
LMA/RJackson/Detroit's 1st Rd Pick to Chicago for LaVine/OPJ

3rd Move:
Mills/Gay/Spurs 1st Rd Pick to Cleveland for Love

Lineup:
White/Forbes/Weatherspoon
LaVine/Walker
OPJ/Carrol
Love/Lyles/Luka
Drummond/Eubanks/Metu

Fun to dream. This team would compete with both LA teams for the West.

[BackHome]

Celtics are loosing out this year to many young talent and they are weak at center. To me a good trade would be LMA for filler and there Grizzlies first round pick this year or next year.

[Excessive Egotist]

Celtics are loosing out this year to many young talent and they are weak at center. To me a good trade would be LMA for filler and there Grizzlies first round pick this year or next year.

Aldridge might not be able to command a first round pick, and certainly not a lottery pick. More likely for him is a late first and an expiring or a decent prospect, an expiring, and a second.

[r0drig0lac]

Lamarcus to Whiteside+Little
Demar to Gallo+Ferguson
Demar to Reggie+Snell+pick
Demar to Aminu+Gordon or Aminu+Fournier
Demar to Dieng+RoCo
Lamarcus to Bruno+Parsons+pick

[TD 21]

Those who are underwhelmed with the likely return for Aldridge and/or DeRozan, are missing one thing: While a lottery protected 1st or prospect of commensurate value might not sound great on it's own, this team is on track for a top 10 pick. Add one or both of those to that and they can probably get to top 5ish (if they're not already there on their own volition).

Since this team already has depth of youth but lacks elite young talent, that should be the goal. Consolidating, if need be, to secure one good - very good prospect, instead of multiple decent ones to add to their stockpile.

[gambit1990]

Don't see the Thunder trading him away now that they're overachieving, unless they were planning to tank all along. But we said the same about the Clippers last year.
yeah, rumors are okc isn't trading him this season :rolleyes maybe they're just trying to drive up his value though...

[Excessive Egotist]

Lamarcus to Whiteside+Little
Demar to Gallo+Ferguson
Demar to Reggie+Snell+pick
Demar to Aminu+Gordon or Aminu+Fournier
Demar to Dieng+RoCo
Lamarcus to Bruno+Parsons+pick

I wouldn't want Whiteside back from Portland. What's the appeal? He's a locker room negative. Perhaps Spurs take him and try to flip him before February 2021. Plus, if Portland is trading for Aldridge, then they would want to keep him to make a playoff push this season. I'd rather the Spurs go for Bazemore, Little, and Portland's 2022 second round pick.

Gallo has more value than DeMar, plus DeMar might opt-in which means the shallow pocketed Thunder could be on the hook for another season of salary. Spurs would have to send an additional asset to Thunder for them to consider a DeRozan/Gallo swap. Gallo would get a first from a contender. If OKC moves him, that is the deal for them to take.

Demar for Reggie + Snell + and a pick sounds rights, assuming protections.

Gordon and Fournier each have more value than DeRozan. Ross, Aminu, Bamba, and a protected pick (in exchange for taking back salaries and an injury) might work for Orlando. But San Antonio would have a hard time creating the necessary roster space for three players in a two team trade.

The Minnesota suggestion is hard to see from their perspective. I'd rate RoCo as a better player than DeRozan. Given T-Wolves GM, I don't think they're in the market for midrange shooters.

Why would the rebuilding Grizzlies surrender a pick for a past his prime All Star?

[Excessive Egotist]

Those who are underwhelmed with the likely return for Aldridge and/or DeRozan, are missing one thing: While a lottery protected 1st or prospect of commensurate value might not sound great on it's own, this team is on track for a top 10 pick. Add one or both of those to that and they can probably get to top 5ish (if they're not already there on their own volition).

Since this team already has depth of youth but lacks elite young talent, that should be the goal. Consolidating, if need be, to secure one good - very good prospect, instead of multiple decent ones to add to their stockpile.

This argument is basically that the Spurs should lose in order to secure a top three pick. I co-sign.

[jjktkk]

Reports are saying that the Pelicans have made Jrue Holiday available. I'd trade DeRozan for him. Works salary wise and would improve the D. Give them Forbes too and start Holiday with Murray and WalkerI like Holiday, but he's a PG. Way too many PGs on this roster already. Plus, you'd be one of the first ones on here complaining about how PATFO's having too many PGs on this roster and Pops senile, PATFO sucks, etc...

[spurspl]

expectations: trading lma and ddr for young prospects and 1st picks
reality: mediocre old stars with huge contracts, young player from the bottom of draft and two 2nd picks

[RC_Drunkford]

I like Holiday, but he's a PG. Way too many PGs on this roster already. Plus, you'd be one of the first ones on here complaining about how PATFO's having too many PGs on this roster and Pops senile, PATFO sucks, etc...

Pop is playing 2 SGs anyway, so play 2 PGs and 1 SG. Holiday replacing Forbes would actually increase the size of this team

[slick'81]

Id take holiday for defrozen in a heartbeat but i doubt spurs could pull it off

[Degoat]

Getting Holiday would be badass

[TimDunkem]

I like Holiday, but he's a PG. Way too many PGs on this roster already. Plus, you'd be one of the first ones on here complaining about how PATFO's having too many PGs on this roster and Pops senile, PATFO sucks, etc...

Hey, dumbass, Jrue is a better PG than Murray, a better 2 guard than Forbes on both ends, and a better defender than DeRozan. He isn't your typical PG you fucking casual. :lol

[DMC]

I'd like to get CP3 and Kevin Love along with Tyson Chandler. Ok they are old and broken down but so? SO?

[Big P]

DD and LMA do not have the type of value that we would get young stars and picks back for them....older guys on expiring contracts, maybe, but teams are not going to give us any real value for them..something like LMA for Whiteside and a second round pick is more realistic, which would clear some cap, but since no one wants to play for pop and the fo would probably spend the money on forbes by giving him a 4 year $70 mil deal, those kinds of trades don't make much sense either.

[Dverde]

Everyone for Joe Ingles...clean slate

[JeffDuncan]

Everyone for Joe Ingles...clean slate

Jinglin' Joe from Happy Valley. I'm on board with that.

[sasaint]

Hey, dumbass, Jrue is a better PG than Murray, a better 2 guard than Forbes on both ends, and a better defender than DeRozan. He isn't your typical PG you fucking casual. :lol

If you get Jrue for Dumbmar you jump. Then make another deal or two to shuck LMA/Rudy and another guard or two and you are in business. I wanted Jrue when he first signed with NO. :tu

Unfortunately, there is NO WAY the Spurs wrangle Jrue away from the Pels for the likes of Dumbmar - even if our worthless PATFO were aggressively looking to move him.

[TimDunkem]

If you get Jrue for Dumbmar you jump. Then make another deal or two to shuck LMA/Rudy and another guard or two and you are in business. I wanted Jrue when he first signed with NO. :tu

Unfortunately, there is NO WAY the Spurs wrangle Jrue away from the Pels for the likes of Dumbmar - even if our worthless PATFO were aggressively looking to move him.

Agreed. He would be better than any guard we have on defense and offense save for DD offensively - and even that is debatable since Jrue can shoot AND hit his damn free throws.

I also agree that DD wouldn't get it done. I've had a feeling since they got this guy that they would have to learn the hard way that - not only can they not compete for a title with him - they will find it hard to trade him for anything good if they so choose.

All time dumb trade, tbh. The worst part is that a likely factor in the thought process of trading for him was to get Kawhi out of the West. Yeah, so worth it...

[jjktkk]

Hey, dumbass, Jrue is a better PG than Murray, a better 2 guard than Forbes on both ends, and a better defender than DeRozan. He isn't your typical PG you fucking casual. :lol

My god you millennials are retarded. This isn't fantasy basketball stupid fuck. You don't just stock up on PGs to fill up your fantasy stat sheet. The Spurs are already committed to Murray and White. Add Mills and Forbes and that's 4 PGs. Holiday can play the 2, but again he is a PG. So why in the hell would you want to impede the progress and development of Murray and White and bring in another PG? Your armchair GM skills suck. Stick to fantasy basketball and 2K.

[TimDunkem]

My god you millennials are retarded. This isn't fantasy basketball stupid fuck. You don't just stock up on PGs to fill up your fantasy stat sheet. The Spurs are already committed to Murray and White. Add Mills and Forbes and that's 4 PGs. Holiday can play the 2, but again he is a PG. So why in the hell would you want to impede the progress and development of Murray and White and bring in another PG? Your armchair GM skills suck. Stick to fantasy basketball and 2K.



First of all, I never said the Spurs NEED to try trade for him (they couldn't if they wanted to). Although, if they did the team would be better. I was simply pointing out the stupidity of your post. You're trying to label Holiday when he can fit into the two guard positions seamlessly and doesn't need the ball in his hands like DD who stifles the two young guards more than Jrue ever could.

You've been an even more annoying, butthurt faggot than usual. Did Pop cut off your air tank straight to his rectum? :lol

[jjktkk]

First of all, I never said the Spurs NEED to try trade for him (they couldn't if they wanted to). Although, if they did the team would be better. I was simply pointing out the stupidity of your post. You're trying to label Holiday when he can fit into the two guard positions seamlessly and doesn't need the ball in his hands like DD who stifles the two young guards more than Jrue ever could.

You've been an even more annoying, butthurt faggot than usual. Did Pop cut off your air tank straight to his rectum? :lol

You're better off just playing video games. Let the adults talk about Spur's basketball, or ask your mommy or daddy about basketball. You're just too limited.

[TimDunkem]

You're better off just playing video games. Let the adults talk about Spur's basketball, or ask your mommy or daddy about basketball. You're just too limited. /towel wave

Okay, boomer. :lol

[exstatic]

I like Holiday, but he's a PG. Way too many PGs on this roster already. Plus, you'd be one of the first ones on here complaining about how PATFO's having too many PGs on this roster and Pops senile, PATFO sucks, etc...

Jrue Holiday is a PG...

WHO CAN PLAY FUCKING DEFENSE!!!!

He's been all D the last two years. He's a veteran, and former All Star, and immediately improves the team by becoming a high minutes two way player. Who cares about fucking positional crowding? You can deal with that through subsequent trades.

[R. DeMurre]

If by some miracle the Spurs had the opportunity to acquire Jrue Holiday, of course it would be a good move. White, Murray, & Holiday could easily start together and the Walker, White, Murray, Holiday combo could cover the PG/SG/SF minutes, giving each player at least 30 mpg. Given the likely unavailability of a long SF who can defend and shoot the three, this is the next best option. All four players can guard opposing SFs at least as well as and usually better than DeRozan despite giving up a few inches.

[K...]

Hmm, wouldn't a good solution being trading Murray or white with DeRozan for Holiday? It's not inconceivable the Spurs wouldn't trade one of the two. Much more likely than throwing a first round pick in

[DAF86]

Aldridge (and, IF NEEDED, a 2nd round pick) for Covington and Dieng.

-Wolves get the supposedly best player in the trade (if not, 30 mil on a expiring contract) and a 2nd round pick.
-Spurs get two solid pieces for the future.

DeRozan for Reggie Jackson, Tony Snell and a first round pick

-Detroit get DeRozan which, apparently, they want for some reason.
-Spurs get a first rounder (could also do with a second one, tbh).

See if you can get some second rounders for Patty and Belli.


STARTERS

Murray
Walker
Covington
Lyles
Poeltl

BENCH

White (on the 6th man, closer role)
Forbes
Snell
Gay
Dieng

[Mugen]

Aldridge (and, IF NEEDED, a 2nd round pick) for Covington and Dieng.

-Wolves get the supposedly best player in the trade (if not, 30 mil on a expiring contract) and a 2nd round pick.
-Spurs get two solid pieces for the future.

DeRozan for Reggie Jackson, Tony Snell and a first round pick

-Detroit get DeRozan which, apparently, they want for some reason.
-Spurs get a first rounder (could also do with a second one, tbh).

See if you can get some second rounders for Patty and Belli.


STARTERS

Murray
Walker
Covington
Lyles
Poeltl

BENCH

White (on the 6th man, closer role)
Forbes
Snell
Gay
Dieng

Would love the LMA/Derozan trades but Mills isn't going anywhere. I'd much rather trade that POS Forbes.

[Sugus]

I don't think I've seen any trades in this thread that are actually realistic... LOL at thinking Pels are retarded enough to take DeMar and give out Jrue. It'd take a first pick or even two on our part to entice them, and probably one of DJ-White-Lonnie. Same for LMA for Covington LMAO.... Do you think teams watch LMA and DeMar choke and be negative assets, remnants of years past, overpaid and over-the-hill fucking asses and think "yeah that's the kind of player we need!"? Get fucking real.

You cannot treat either of them as pure, positive assets, especially not with their contracts. I think it was Lowe that said any trades would probably be lateral moves - your trash for our trash. We'd be better focusing our trades on other teams' trash instead of their All-D stars :lol

[TimDunkem]

Jrue Holiday is a PG...

WHO CAN PLAY FUCKING DEFENSE!!!!

He's been all D the last two years. He's a veteran, and former All Star, and immediately improves the team by becoming a high minutes two way player. Who cares about fucking positional crowding? You can deal with that through subsequent trades.

Dumb old faggot doesn't understand today's practically positionless game. His head is so far up Pop's asshole that he doesn't even know what year this is. Ignore him.

[DAF86]

I don't think I've seen any trades in this thread that are actually realistic... LOL at thinking Pels are retarded enough to take DeMar and give out Jrue.

Holiday is owned over 75 millions over the next three seasons. DeRozan is an expiring contract. A lottery team like the Pels would probably like to offload Holiday's contract.


It'd take a first pick or even two on our part to entice them, and probably one of DJ-White-Lonnie. Same for LMA for Covington LMAO.... Do you think teams watch LMA and DeMar choke and be negative assets, remnants of years past, overpaid and over-the-hill fucking asses and think "yeah that's the kind of player we need!"? Get fucking real.

It seems like you are the one that needs to analyze things a little bit more to see if a trade is plausible or not, tbh.

[exstatic]

Holiday is owned over 75 millions over the next three seasons. DeRozan is an expiring contract. A lottery team like the Pels would probably like to offload Holiday's contract.



It seems like you are the one that needs to analyze things a little bit more to see if a trade is plausible or not, tbh.

Some people still fail to realize that many basketball transactions aren't talent based, they're financial. That all started nearly 20 years ago (summer of 1999) when Orlando would literally give you anyone on their roster for an ending contract so that they could go FA shopping in 2000. They were the first to place value on an ending contract.

[EasyMoney]

Spurs get
Robert covington
Gorgui dieng

OKC get
Demar DeRozan
Jeff teague

Timberwolves get
Chris Paul
Rudy gay

[spurspl]

what a shitty idea of bringing jrue... thats so typical for the spurs.

edit: unless they add ingram or hayes to this trade

[JeffDuncan]

Holiday is owned over 75 millions over the next three seasons. DeRozan is an expiring contract. ...

DDR has a player option.

So does Holiday for his last year.



... lottery team like the Pels would probably like to offload Holiday's contract.

In exchange for a larger contract, for an inferior player? What causes you to believe their preferences are so irrational? Pop isn't running the Pelicans.

By their current, projected salaries, the Pels are on track for $83 million of payroll next season, and then $27 million the next. Jrue's contract is no problem for them. At all.

But it's obviously s nonstarter anyway, since the Pels are intensely curious how Jrue teams with Zion, and he won't be back for a while. As to how Zion might team with DDR, they give less than 0.00001 rat shits.

[DAF86]

DDR has a player option.

So does Holiday for his last year.



In exchange for a larger contract, for an inferior player? What causes you to believe their preferences are so irrational? Pop isn't running the Pelicans.

By their current, projected salaries, the Pels are on track for $83 million of payroll next season, and then $27 million the next. Jrue's contract is no problem for them. At all.

But it's obviously s nonstarter anyway, since the Pels are intensely curious how Jrue teams with Zion, and he won't be back for a while. As to how Zion might team with DDR, they give less than 0.00001 rat shits.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/demar-derozan-6327/#

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-orleans-pelicans/jrue-holiday-6316/#

In which universe is DeRozan's contract larger than Holiday's?

[MoSpur02]

Jrue Holiday would be an upgrade.

DeMar and Marco for Ross and Gordon.

DeMar and Marco for LaVine and Thaddeus Young.

[jjktkk]

Jrue Holiday is a PG...

WHO CAN PLAY FUCKING DEFENSE!!!!

He's been all D the last two years. He's a veteran, and former All Star, and immediately improves the team by becoming a high minutes two way player. Who cares about fucking positional crowding? You can deal with that through subsequent trades.

And he plays a position that is already manned by Murray, and White, who can both "CAN PLSY FUCKING DEFENSE" That's 3 PGs already. Unfortunately you have to also have to factor in Mills and Forbes as well. I don't see PATFO trading for a position that they already have invested $$$ in Murray, and are still developing Murray and White

[Sugus]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/demar-derozan-6327/#

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-orleans-pelicans/jrue-holiday-6316/#

In which universe is DeRozan's contract larger than Holiday's?

They're roughly the same amount, which is not the issue; the question is why on Earth would the Pelicans trade their all-D PG for a non-D, non-shooting SG/SF who is extremely ball-dominant, when they have a roster full of players to develop and already have Ingram at SF and Reddick, who they won't trade at least for the time being, at SG. There will absolutely be better offers from contending teams, probably including picks or young players, both of which the Spurs wouldn't be wise to include.

So, beyond FO retardation, which isn't the norm for New Orleans as far as I'm aware - which would be the great incentive that would make SA the primary suit in a DeRozan for Jrue trade? It's not even like you can sell DD as purely a big expiring since he's got a 27M PO for next season so even if, as you say, the Pels were so desperate to offload salary (which they aren't anyways since they're not in the luxury tax...) they would surely prefer a contract that ends this season without any additionals, again something many other FOs can offer.

So please, since you've analyzed the situation so thoroughly, please explain to me how the Spurs would be the primary suitors for Jrue - I won't even mention that it's a lateral move and clogs a position that isn't of urgent need for us - I'm curious.

[exstatic]

Jrue Holiday would be an upgrade.

DeMar and Marco for Ross and Gordon.

DeMar and Marco for LaVine and Thaddeus Young.

LaVine is empty calories, a younger version of DDR.

[exstatic]

They're roughly the same amount, which is not the issue; the question is why on Earth would the Pelicans trade their all-D PG for a non-D, non-shooting SG/SF who is extremely ball-dominant, when they have a roster full of players to develop and already have Ingram at SF and Reddick, who they won't trade at least for the time being, at SG. There will absolutely be better offers from contending teams, probably including picks or young players, both of which the Spurs wouldn't be wise to include.

So, beyond FO retardation, which isn't the norm for New Orleans as far as I'm aware - which would be the great incentive that would make SA the primary suit in a DeRozan for Jrue trade? It's not even like you can sell DD as purely a big expiring since he's got a 27M PO for next season so even if, as you say, the Pels were so desperate to offload salary (which they aren't anyways since they're not in the luxury tax...) they would surely prefer a contract that ends this season without any additionals, again something many other FOs can offer.

So please, since you've analyzed the situation so thoroughly, please explain to me how the Spurs would be the primary suitors for Jrue - I won't even mention that it's a lateral move and clogs a position that isn't of urgent need for us - I'm curious.

You're STILL looking at this as strictly a basketball transaction. If I had to put money on it, i'd bet that DDR will opt out next summer. He would be the best player available if you disregard AD and think he will automatically re-up with the LAL. His bestie Lowry just re-upped for one year. They may actually be trying to set up a situation where they play together again.

So, that would mean N.O. being on the hook for a player just about right at 30 who is due like $55M in the two years AFTER this one, and they're a small market team headed nowhere. That's why they're putting out feelers. He doesn't fit their development cycle.

[RC_Drunkford]

lol @ the sniffers saying "b-b-but Holiday is a PG, we already have 2 PGs" when Pop plays 2 guys who are shorter than him and can't guard a chair at SG and plays 2 SGs at SF. Holiday at the 2 would be better in every facet of the game than Fryn Borbes. I'm also not saying trade DeRozan for Holiday straight up, I'm saying you can design trade packages around those 2 since they are in the same salary range.

My prime target right now would be Myles Turner though. He'd fit perfectly with the young core, it's just hard for me to see what kind of package would work for both teams since LA and DeFrozan earn way more money than Turner

[r0drig0lac]

lol @ the sniffers saying "b-b-but Holiday is a PG, we already have 2 PGs" when Pop plays 2 guys who are shorter than him and can't guard a chair at SG and plays 2 SGs at SF. Holiday at the 2 would be better in every facet of the game than Fryn Borbes. I'm also not saying trade DeRozan for Holiday straight up, I'm saying you can design trade packages around those 2 since they are in the same salary range.

My prime target right now would be Myles Turner though. He'd fit perfectly with the young core, it's just hard for me to see what kind of package would work for both teams since LA and DeFrozan earn way more money than Turner

exact, while other teams are playing big or small-ball, Pop is the only coach going micro-ball in the entire league.

[TimDunkem]

Jrue Holiday would be an upgrade.

DeMar and Marco for Ross and Gordon.

DeMar and Marco for LaVine and Thaddeus Young.
Come ahnnn...

[Down Under]

DD for Aaron Gordon & Augustin would do me. AG would have to accept he's never going to be a star & try & reinvent himself as an elite 3 & D guy.

[DAF86]

They're roughly the same amount, which is not the issue; the question is why on Earth would the Pelicans trade their all-D PG for a non-D, non-shooting SG/SF who is extremely ball-dominant, when they have a roster full of players to develop and already have Ingram at SF and Reddick, who they won't trade at least for the time being, at SG. There will absolutely be better offers from contending teams, probably including picks or young players, both of which the Spurs wouldn't be wise to include.

So, beyond FO retardation, which isn't the norm for New Orleans as far as I'm aware - which would be the great incentive that would make SA the primary suit in a DeRozan for Jrue trade? It's not even like you can sell DD as purely a big expiring since he's got a 27M PO for next season so even if, as you say, the Pels were so desperate to offload salary (which they aren't anyways since they're not in the luxury tax...) they would surely prefer a contract that ends this season without any additionals, again something many other FOs can offer.

So please, since you've analyzed the situation so thoroughly, please explain to me how the Spurs would be the primary suitors for Jrue - I won't even mention that it's a lateral move and clogs a position that isn't of urgent need for us - I'm curious.

Nobody is saying th Spurs would be the primary suitor for Jrue. In fact, I didn't even propose the trade nor do I think it's a likely one. I just explained to you why the trade isn't as ridiculous as you think it is.

Holiday's and DeRozan's basketball abilities are totally irrelevant in this scenario since the Pelicans are one of the worst teams in the entire NBA right now. They have no expectations of doing anything relevant whatsoever. With that in mind, DeRozan's virtually expiring 27 millions might be more enticing for the Pelicans than what you might think. Heck, he even would help them tank better. And if the Spurs add a pick to the trade, forget about it, the Pelicans would be retarded to refuse.

Do you get it now?

[JeffDuncan]

You're STILL looking at this as strictly a basketball transaction. If I had to put money on it, i'd bet that DDR will opt out next summer. ...

Y'know, since they're basketball players, who play basketball, that sorta makes it a basketball transaction. You see.

Who is going to pay DDR more than $27.7 million? Name that team.

Really. Name that team.

[Prime BEEF]

LaVine is empty calories, a younger version of DDR.
Come on. Really? That’s just lazy.

LaVine can hit 3s, is a better pure scorer, doesn’t have to get his buckets with iso ball, is young and can still get even better, isn’t a mentally weak depressed player, and is clutch during end of game moments. They’re pretty much nothing alike. If you don’t like him that’s fine but he’s nothing like DDR.

[TimDunkem]

Come on. Really? That’s just lazy.

LaVine can hit 3s, is a better pure scorer, doesn’t have to get his buckets with iso ball, is young and can still get even better, isn’t a mentally weak depressed player, and is clutch during end of game moments. They’re pretty much nothing alike. If you don’t like him that’s fine but he’s nothing like DDR.

Yeah. Even if you believe he's empty calories, you can't say they're the same player.

[dbestpro]

I'd give up a 2nd round draft pick to get rid of Pop. Maybe a protected first.

[R. DeMurre]

I don't think I've seen any trades in this thread that are actually realistic... LOL at thinking Pels are retarded enough to take DeMar and give out Jrue. It'd take a first pick or even two on our part to entice them, and probably one of DJ-White-Lonnie. Same for LMA for Covington LMAO.... Do you think teams watch LMA and DeMar choke and be negative assets, remnants of years past, overpaid and over-the-hill fucking asses and think "yeah that's the kind of player we need!"? Get fucking real.




Holiday is owned over 75 millions over the next three seasons. DeRozan is an expiring contract. A lottery team like the Pels would probably like to offload Holiday's contract.



It seems like you are the one that needs to analyze things a little bit more to see if a trade is plausible or not, tbh.


Some people still fail to realize that many basketball transactions aren't talent based, they're financial. That all started nearly 20 years ago (summer of 1999) when Orlando would literally give you anyone on their roster for an ending contract so that they could go FA shopping in 2000. They were the first to place value on an ending contract.

[R. DeMurre]

I can still see Orlando thinking Terrence Ross is unnecessary now with the emergence of Fournier and Fultz. He's signed for three more seasons at a pretty reasonable salary (about $12mil/per). Aminu is also signed thru two more years after this season at about $10mil/per. I can see Orlando thinking Vucevic/Gordon/Issac/Fournier/Fultz are the core going forward and being willing to lose those two longer term contracts in order to free space for other options.

[JeffDuncan]

I can still see Orlando thinking Terrence Ross is unnecessary now with the emergence of Fournier and Fultz. He's signed for three more seasons at a pretty reasonable salary (about $12mil/per). Aminu is also signed thru two more years after this season at about $10mil/per. I can see Orlando thinking Vucevic/Gordon/Issac/Fournier/Fultz are the core going forward and being willing to lose those two longer term contracts in order to free space for other options.

Aminu, torn meniscus, no timetable for his return, and his shooting is very lousy this year. .291 ftom the field and .250 from the three. Pass.

[R. DeMurre]

Aminu, torn meniscus, no timetable for his return, and his shooting is very lousy this year. .291 ftom the field and .250 from the three. Pass.


Let him sit out for a year. Doesn't matter. In 2020, he plays good D for 22 mpg. Trading DeRozan is addition by subtraction.

[objective]

re: any trade with Orlando

According to Sportrac, they're only $2,273,671 below the tax.

IF they somehow were interested in DeRozan, they would be in danger of being a future tax team by them keeping DeRozan and Fournier/Ross. (either after an opt-out or the year after). And of course having to extend Isaac and Fultz.

Because of that I wouldn't think they'd go into the tax for this season, in order to delay the repeater tax.

That means that while something like DeRozan for Gordon and Birch might work in the trade machine, it would put Orlando into the tax for this year.

If there was a trade, I would think it would be something like DeRozan/Marco for Gordon/Ross, or Gordon/Fournier.

[RC_Drunkford]

Y'know, since they're basketball players, who play basketball, that sorta makes it a basketball transaction. You see.

Who is going to pay DDR more than $27.7 million? Name that team.

Really. Name that team.

New York Knickerbockers. They are known to do dumb shit

[TD 21]

This argument is basically that the Spurs should lose in order to secure a top three pick. I co-sign.

Actually, that wasn't the argument at all. It's that people need to stop thinking of a lottery protected 1st or prospect of commensurate value as the likely asset for Aldridge and DeRozan and start thinking of it as said asset being the possible vehicle to a package deal that allows them to get into or near a top 5 pick (if they don't secure one on their own volition).

[Sugus]

You're STILL looking at this as strictly a basketball transaction. If I had to put money on it, i'd bet that DDR will opt out next summer. He would be the best player available if you disregard AD and think he will automatically re-up with the LAL. His bestie Lowry just re-upped for one year. They may actually be trying to set up a situation where they play together again.

So, that would mean N.O. being on the hook for a player just about right at 30 who is due like $55M in the two years AFTER this one, and they're a small market team headed nowhere. That's why they're putting out feelers. He doesn't fit their development cycle.

We'll have to agree to disagree since I don't think DeRozan is opting out of that PO, unless something extraordinary happens like him being traded to a team mid-season where he knows he won't re-sign and he'd rather be a FA. I seriously can't think of any teams that could, and would, offer DD upwards of 28M/year, besides the Hawks maybe. He could go for a longer contract at less M/y but I fail to see any team that might receive him at the price tag he's looking for - remember the report about him seeking a max extension? I think he's played enough with, and is close off the court with, Lowry to the point that a reunion wouldn't be his main concern instead of financially securing himself - and he could perfectly take the 28M and still be a FA next season at 31.

Again, the thing is - N.O. could trade Jrue for DD. But would they do it when S.A. will probably not have the best offer, there's other teams with salaries to match that expire this season with no options, and they can wait out for the best offers at the deadline since they've got him secured for two seasons? I'm looking at it beyond basketball and it's still not making much sense. Pels obviously consider Jrue a positive asset - an All-D vet in his prime secured on a long contract - whereas DeMar is probably seen as salary dump by all but the dumbest teams in the league; just like CP3, another skilled player who isn't worth the $. And IMO S.A. should refrain from any trades involving their own picks until their future situation is clearer.

[Prime BEEF]

re: any trade with Orlando

According to Sportrac, they're only $2,273,671 below the tax.

IF they somehow were interested in DeRozan, they would be in danger of being a future tax team by them keeping DeRozan and Fournier/Ross. (either after an opt-out or the year after). And of course having to extend Isaac and Fultz.

Because of that I wouldn't think they'd go into the tax for this season, in order to delay the repeater tax.

That means that while something like DeRozan for Gordon and Birch might work in the trade machine, it would put Orlando into the tax for this year.

If there was a trade, I would think it would be something like DeRozan/Marco for Gordon/Ross, or Gordon/Fournier.
I’m good with both of those trade options

[RC_Drunkford]

If they decide on keeping DeRozan and Aldridge this team still needs a starting caliber PF and SF (or SG if Pop keeps playing DeRozan at the 3). Trey Lyles and Bryn Forbes ain't it

[mo7888]

When is Rudy trade eligible? I had been under the impression he was available December 15th but I saw somewhere on ESPN that it's not until January. Does anyone know which is correct?

[Chinook]

When is Rudy trade eligible? I had been under the impression he was available December 15th but I saw somewhere on ESPN that it's not until January. Does anyone know which is correct?

Pretty sure it's Januray due to how big of a raise he got from last year. When a guy re-ups with a club that has his Bird rights and gets a raise of more than 20 percent from the last year of his previous year, he's a BYC player, which used to mean a lot of other things but now pretty much just means he can't be traded until after 01/15 rather than 12/15 like a normal FA.

[exstatic]

We'll have to agree to disagree since I don't think DeRozan is opting out of that PO, unless something extraordinary happens like him being traded to a team mid-season where he knows he won't re-sign and he'd rather be a FA. I seriously can't think of any teams that could, and would, offer DD upwards of 28M/year, besides the Hawks maybe. He could go for a longer contract at less M/y but I fail to see any team that might receive him at the price tag he's looking for - remember the report about him seeking a max extension? I think he's played enough with, and is close off the court with, Lowry to the point that a reunion wouldn't be his main concern instead of financially securing himself - and he could perfectly take the 28M and still be a FA next season at 31.

Again, the thing is - N.O. could trade Jrue for DD. But would they do it when S.A. will probably not have the best offer, there's other teams with salaries to match that expire this season with no options, and they can wait out for the best offers at the deadline since they've got him secured for two seasons? I'm looking at it beyond basketball and it's still not making much sense. Pels obviously consider Jrue a positive asset - an All-D vet in his prime secured on a long contract - whereas DeMar is probably seen as salary dump by all but the dumbest teams in the league; just like CP3, another skilled player who isn't worth the $. And IMO S.A. should refrain from any trades involving their own picks until their future situation is clearer.

Don't forget how dumb the Knicks are. They could easily be the landing spot for both Lowry and DDR. Their fans are so desperate that the FO could sell that as something good after they got completely punked last summer.

FA decisions are usually based on the class. Other than DDR and AD, who is like 99% going to re-sign with the LAL, there is only one other 20 point scorer, Brandon Ingram, and he's restricted. Players in lean classes often get overpaid.

I'll just leave you with a couple of links, and you can decide which FA class you'd rather be a part of:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2021/

[Sugus]

Don't forget how dumb the Knicks are. They could easily be the landing spot for both Lowry and DDR. Their fans are so desperate that the FO could sell that as something good after they got completely punked last summer.

FA decisions are usually based on the class. Other than DDR and AD, who is like 99% going to re-sign with the LAL, there is only one other 20 point scorer, Brandon Ingram, and he's restricted. Players in lean classes often get overpaid.

I'll just leave you with a couple of links, and you can decide which FA class you'd rather be a part of:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2021/

If your idea of a realistic scenario is the Knicks fucking up their entire timeline as a bottom-feeding, very young, absolutely not ready for contention team where their best players are either 19 or won't be there next season, by signing both Lowry and DeMar, two over the hill vets who have at the most 2-3 elite seasons left... That sadly sounds like something the Knicks may do. But I would not call that "realistic" and I don't think you would either, since the entire premise lays on another team making a completely illogical and very big move. Prime DD+Lowry couldn't get it done on the Raps with a team built around them, why would the Knicks think otherwise with their roster situation?

So, once again, barring a completely retarded Knicks move in which I would put no faith (there's many other equally retarded moves that they could make and would make them better), our best and only suitor would be N.O.... Where, if we're going with your assumption that DD opts out, would mean a Jrue-DD trade would be simply a salary dump on their part. I'll say it again - trading their All-D, on his prime, star guard, literally only as a salary dump once DD opts out to leave the New Orleans shithole. Tell me again, since I seem to have missed it - why would you think that's the best offer the Pels are going to get for Jrue? A matching, expiring salary is literally the bottom line that any other team will offer - any trade offers will start at our "ideal package" - which means we'd have to sweeten the deal with either picks or young players, both of which I'd rather not trade out at this time and this uncertainty regarding the Spurs' future.

I go back to my original point - most trades being proposed ITT are delusional, either viewing DD/LMA as positive, desirable assets for other teams, or assuming no other teams will want to jump ahead of the Spurs on bargain deals. Since SA doesn't have FA draw nor has a recent record of excelling in trades - quite the opposite, in fact - I stay skeptic.

[BillMc]

Are there any advantages to letting Demar opt out and walk? I mean that would clear up a lot of space and might be preferable to taking back other contracts in a trade. Depends on what the Spurs want to do, I guess.

[spurspl]

Are there any advantages to letting Demar opt out and walk? I mean that would clear up a lot of space and might be preferable to taking back other contracts in a trade. Depends on what the Spurs want to do, I guess.

i think spurs r sooo stupid that they want to make another playoffs and wont trade ddr and lma

[mo7888]

Pretty sure it's Januray due to how big of a raise he got from last year. When a guy re-ups with a club that has his Bird rights and gets a raise of more than 20 percent from the last year of his previous year, he's a BYC player, which used to mean a lot of other things but now pretty much just means he can't be traded until after 01/15 rather than 12/15 like a normal FA.

I appreciate the information...

[mo7888]

I'm totally fine with trading LMA and DDR. Still, my preference is trading DDR along with Gay or Carroll and Forbes (not necessarily in the same trade package). I think we could pull some value out of those and we'd create more playing time for the guys that are our future. Now, if LMA brings a decent haul send him out but, I don't see him in the way of younger guys like I do DDR. I also think the spacing in general would be better if we moved DDR.

[CGD]

I think spurs need to start thinking of DDR as a two year deal (and so do the possible trade partners). With the narrative that there isn’t much of a market for DDR right now, it sounds like a multi year deal starting above 20m isn’t in the cards. So why would he pass on 27M where that lower offer deal will be there in 2021?

It can’t be both that his trade value is shit and that everyone thinks he’ll opt out for “lucrative” offer.

[exstatic]

I think spurs need to start thinking of DDR as a two year deal (and so do the possible trade partners). With the narrative that there isn’t much of a market for DDR right now, it sounds like a multi year deal starting above 20m isn’t in the cards. So why would he pass on 27M where that lower offer deal will be there in 2021?

It can’t be both that his trade value is shit and that everyone thinks he’ll opt out for “lucrative” offer.

Part of trade value is how much time is left on the contract. Why would you give up assets for someone you can sign outright in 7 months, especially if you’re a dumpster fire like the Knicks, or super young and spinning your wheels like the Hawks?

DDR will be the best UFA if he opts out next summer, because AD isn’t going anywhere. There aren’t even any other 20 point scorers available. He’ll get offers in the range that he wants, because it’s a weak FA class, and guys get overpaid in those years.

[Prime BEEF]

not my dream trade but it helps these teams get some of what they want.

3 team trade:
blazers: get Aldridge
spurs: get Love, Cleveland’s 1st rd pick
cavs: get whiteside, blazers 1st rd pick


blazers finally get LMA back and he’ll be fine at PF next to Nurkic. Cavs get to move a disgruntled love and his 4yr contact for whiteside’s expiring contract. Spurs move disgruntled LMA out and take on love’s contract but gain a lottery pick and now have 2 1st rd picks.

[Dennis the Menace]

It doesn’t matter what roster changes they make when ultimately there’s a senile, washed up, “it’s just basketball” head coach running the entire show. Retiring or forcefully removing Jerry Sloan 2.0 should be just as big of a priority as it is to move Derozan, Belli, and Forbes.

[sasaint]

not my dream trade but it helps these teams get some of what they want.

3 team trade:
blazers: get Aldridge
spurs: get Love, Cleveland’s 1st rd pick
cavs: get whiteside, blazers 1st rd pick


blazers finally get LMA back and he’ll be fine at PF next to Nurkic. Cavs get to move a disgruntled love and his 4yr contact for whiteside’s expiring contract. Spurs move disgruntled LMA out and take on love’s contract but gain a lottery pick and now have 2 1st rd picks.

This is a heckuva gamble that Love's wheels don't fall off in the remaining years of his contract, but I don't mind that gamble - but only if Cleveland's 1st is unprotected.

[RC_Drunkford]

the real question is: Would Pop play those players that we get back in a trade or would he just move Belinelli to the starting line up?

[spurspl]

the real question is: Would Pop play those players that we get back in a trade or would he just move Belinelli to the starting line up?

thats why pop should go away

[spurspl]

there are some rumors that couple pf teams are intrested in drummond but no spurs there why?!??! he would be a great addition, him and murray would elevate us to top3 defense in a league easily. Then pick up a true young 3pt shooter and spurs roster would be a beast

same thing with bogdanovic, no rumors that spurs intrested... i think that patfo gonna miss the chance AGAIN

murray/white/bogdanovic/lyles/drummond DO IT

[RC_Drunkford]

there are some rumors that couple pf teams are intrested in drummond but no spurs there why?!??! he would be a great addition, him and murray would elevate us to top3 defense in a league easily. Then pick up a true young 3pt shooter and spurs roster would be a beast

same thing with bogdanovic, no rumors that spurs intrested... i think that patfo gonna miss the chance AGAIN

murray/white/bogdanovic/lyles/drummond DO IT

That's a worse roster than what we have now. And Pop would never start Murray and White, he will start Forbes.

[spurspl]

That's a worse roster than what we have now. And Pop would never start Murray and White, he will start Forbes.

better defense, better long range shots, no chokers, younger and more athletic. Thats definetely better roster. I assume pop will retire next season.

[4lifecowboy]

there are some rumors that couple pf teams are intrested in drummond but no spurs there why?!??! he would be a great addition, him and murray would elevate us to top3 defense in a league easily. Then pick up a true young 3pt shooter and spurs roster would be a beast

same thing with bogdanovic, no rumors that spurs intrested... i think that patfo gonna miss the chance AGAIN

murray/white/bogdanovic/lyles/drummond DO IT

I like that scenerio, with the exception of Walker instead of White in starting line up.

[Sugus]

there are some rumors that couple pf teams are intrested in drummond but no spurs there why?!??! he would be a great addition, him and murray would elevate us to top3 defense in a league easily. Then pick up a true young 3pt shooter and spurs roster would be a beast

same thing with bogdanovic, no rumors that spurs intrested... i think that patfo gonna miss the chance AGAIN

murray/white/bogdanovic/lyles/drummond DO IT

Drummond will be looking for a max offer and I don't think the Spurs should throw one at him. I'd rather rebuild than lock the team into 3-4 years of a non-max impact player. Bogdanovich I'd welcome the signing, he's a great player. Neither of those will really happen though, we're probably heading for a tank

[RC_Drunkford]

better defense, better long range shots, no chokers, younger and more athletic. Thats definetely better roster. I assume pop will retire next season.

The defense is better cause you starting White instead of Forbes. Do that now and it would be the same shit

[spurspl]

Drummond will be looking for a max offer and I don't think the Spurs should throw one at him. I'd rather rebuild than lock the team into 3-4 years of a non-max impact player. Bogdanovich I'd welcome the signing, he's a great player. Neither of those will really happen though, we're probably heading for a tank

we should tank 2yrs ago, now its too late bc this years draft class is a shit tbh. I dont mind giving him a nearly max offer, we would still have cap space for a max player to sign in next FA(which is fking good) if we get rid of these shitty contracts like mills, gay, caroll, belli etc.


The defense is better cause you starting White instead of Forbes. Do that now and it would be the same shit

duuuude drummond is a beast in defense, especially we need offense rebounds and he can do this.

[cutewizard]

I like love

[cutewizard]

Guys do you know what is the font in the LA Clippers iuniform??

[cutewizard]

Anyone pls?

[alpha_HaZE]

Hmm, realistic and dream parckages, not sure how those two can co-exist, let's see :)

LaMarcus Beli and Metu for Parsons (Expiring), Jabari Parker, Cam Redish and Hawks 1 round 2020 pick, top3 protected.

https://tradenba.com/trades/Rb3FpY75F

[Sugus]

we should tank 2yrs ago, now its too late bc this years draft class is a shit tbh. I dont mind giving him a nearly max offer, we would still have cap space for a max player to sign in next FA(which is fking good) if we get rid of these shitty contracts like mills, gay, caroll, belli etc.



duuuude drummond is a beast in defense, especially we need offense rebounds and he can do this.

Drummond is nowhere near max-money worth or impact... The sinking Pistons (who admittedly have a lot of other troubles, but still) are a good example of this. Guy is just not good on offense and, considering any scenario involving him practically requires both DD and LMA, our best offensive players, to be off the team, I fail to see how it's such a great deal. A team that's good on D but can't buy a bucket is not much better than a good O team bleeding points - especially in this era. I would rather tank than be locked in to him for 4-5 years.

As for draft classes... No one knows for shit. Yes, there isn't a LeBron-level talent for us to tank towards, but we were never going to outtank the likes of Knicks/Grizzlies/Suns anyways, and beyond that mostly every draft is a crapshoot. You hear almost every draft how they're top heavy or talent devoid, only to look back a few years later and see all the roleplayers/stars that came from it. Besides, the Spurs will probably be tanking more than a single season, so that's not too big of a deal, although I certainly wish we would've started two seasons ago.

[spurspl]

Drummond is nowhere near max-money worth or impact... The sinking Pistons (who admittedly have a lot of other troubles, but still) are a good example of this. Guy is just not good on offense and, considering any scenario involving him practically requires both DD and LMA, our best offensive players, to be off the team, I fail to see how it's such a great deal. A team that's good on D but can't buy a bucket is not much better than a good O team bleeding points - especially in this era. I would rather tank than be locked in to him for 4-5 years.

As for draft classes... No one knows for shit. Yes, there isn't a LeBron-level talent for us to tank towards, but we were never going to outtank the likes of Knicks/Grizzlies/Suns anyways, and beyond that mostly every draft is a crapshoot. You hear almost every draft how they're top heavy or talent devoid, only to look back a few years later and see all the roleplayers/stars that came from it. Besides, the Spurs will probably be tanking more than a single season, so that's not too big of a deal, although I certainly wish we would've started two seasons ago.

1. agree that drummond isnt a great offesnive player and thats why i proposed to get bogdanovic if we can get drummond. Then u have a great balanced roster. murray drummond white - def, bogdanovic loonie white - off and 3pt, lyles - mid range shots.
2. yes, hes worth near max contract, theres lack of big players in a league and their value will be increasing.
3. one of them (DD / LMA) is enough to make a deal with pistons. Second of them would be included to get bogdanovic for example. Ofc + fillers and picks would be necessary to include.
4.IMO in this years draft its not worth to draft top players unless its wiseman. If not, just include this pick to trade with DD or LMA.

[gambit1990]

if the spurs don't try to get cp3 then they should still do what they can to get diallo or bazley. spurs could use both.

[Prime BEEF]

if the spurs don't try to get cp3 then they should still do what they can to get diallo or bazley. spurs could use both.
You are definitely persistent.

As much as I hate his awful contract, I would do Mills/Marco/Gay/Carrol for CP3/1st Rd pick

How bad does OKC want to get rid of his contract? Will they take our garbage in return for relief from his contract?

[spurspl]

You are definitely persistent.

As much as I hate his awful contract, I would do Mills/Marco/Gay/Carrol for CP3/1st Rd pick

How bad does OKC want to get rid of his contract? Will they take our garbage in return for relief from his contract?

i would add to this trade white and shai and im ok with this one. We get terrible and sick cp3 contract but on the other hand we get shai who could make a great trio for the future with murray and loonie + we got a potentially pretty high pick which could be use in a trade with dd or lma. Cp3 could be use for a mentorship our young guards and be a sixth man as well. After this trade id recommend to bring a solid PF and/or center using DD and LMA + picks.

potential lineup : murray/shai/loonie/gordon/drummond not bad

[talkspurs]

this would be one I could see.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qr9d55y we would also get their rookie pick. NY is wanting to get a star player. It thy would not give up Barret then Payton or Ellington. I would rather sub out a worse player then lose their pick.

[spurspl]

this would be one I could see.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qr9d55y we would also get their rookie pick. NY is wanting to get a star player. It thy would not give up Barret then Payton or Ellington. I would rather sub out a worse player then lose their pick.

love this trade but no way knicks give us rj barrett...

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

The spurs reportedly do not actively seek trades; they wait to see who calls them first. Well…nobody is going to be calling for Demar or Lamarcus. So there’s that, unfortunately.

[spurspl]

The spurs reportedly do not actively seek trades; they wait to see who calls them first. Well…nobody is going to be calling for Demar or Lamarcus. So there’s that, unfortunately.

source?
if its true thats a bad news but not surprising one. Patfo are always passive and wait what will happen. Thats fking annoying.

[CGD]

Part of trade value is how much time is left on the contract. Why would you give up assets for someone you can sign outright in 7 months, especially if you’re a dumpster fire like the Knicks, or super young and spinning your wheels like the Hawks?

DDR will be the best UFA if he opts out next summer, because AD isn’t going anywhere. There aren’t even any other 20 point scorers available. He’ll get offers in the range that he wants, because it’s a weak FA class, and guys get overpaid in those years.

I think that narrative is hog wash. Sure the team that seeks to acquire DDR in a trade will use that as leverage in talks, but in reality would they be willing to give DDR that multi year deal starting in the mid twenties if he were to opt out? Doubtful in today’s 3 happy nba.

More importantly, I think DDR knows that his next/last long term deal will start in the mid teens whether this summer or next.

So why on earth would he take a 10M haircut by opting out?

[talkspurs]

love this trade but no way knicks give us rj barrett...

Thats why I put we could do without him and take one of the other players. as long as we get their rookie pick I would be happy. They are looking for a disgruntled star. While I am not bid on DDR he still has a good name around the league I believe.

[CGD]

I still like a DDR<>Dembouya centered trade with DET.

Obviously we’d need to take back dead
Money and Spurs might send White and/or Forbes in such a trade too.

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Demar Derozan has strong trade interest from the Orlando Magic.

[gambit1990]

no trade proposal should leave demar on the roster.

i hate seeing trade proposals with demar still in the SL :lol dude has got to go...

[sasaint]

I think that narrative is hog wash. Sure the team that seeks to acquire DDR in a trade will use that as leverage in talks, but in reality would they be willing to give DDR that multi year deal starting in the mid twenties if he were to opt out? Doubtful in today’s 3 happy nba.

More importantly, I think DDR knows that his next/last long term deal will start in the mid teens whether this summer or next.

So why on earth would he take a 10M haircut by opting out?

The older players get the more many are willing to leave money on the table for a single year in exchange for the security of a somewhat reduced annual income over a longer term deal.

[spurspl]

thre are some rumors that KAT may be available. Do we have any chance of bringing him? imo its almost impossible but maybe if we give them all picks we have + lma and one of our young guys...

EDIT: i checked that info once again and it was about knicks gonna try to build a package and get him out of timbs, not about that tomb make him available! sory my mistake

[CGD]

The older players get the more many are willing to leave money on the table for a single year in exchange for the security of a somewhat reduced annual income over a longer term deal.

If you believe the narrative about his market value being depressed, he’s looking at 65/4y whether this summer or next. If I’m him I’ll take next Summer and cash in my 27m option this one.

[cool cat]

Someone on twitter posted trade LMA & Demar to get Gordon and Lavine

Starting lineup of
Jakob
Gordon
Lavine
Lonnie
Murray

Could be fun to watch.

[Prime BEEF]

Someone on twitter posted trade LMA & Demar to get Gordon and Lavine

Starting lineup of
Jakob
Gordon
Lavine
Lonnie
Murray

Could be fun to watch.
DD for Gordon/Ross makes sense for both teams. Doubt Orlando will give up Fournier.

the bulls trade is a little harder. Would almost have to trade for LaVine and Otto Porter instead of just LaVine.
LMA/Murray/Carrol for LaVine/OPJ but may have to throw in more to entice the bulls to give up LaVine. He’s playing well.

[mo7888]

DD for Gordon/Ross makes sense for both teams. Doubt Orlando will give up Fournier.

the bulls trade is a little harder. Would almost have to trade for LaVine and Otto Porter instead of just LaVine.
LMA/Murray/Carrol for LaVine/OPJ but may have to throw in more to entice the bulls to give up LaVine. He’s playing well.

I think because of the conflict between lavine and management/ coaching staff that you hypothetical offer would get it done. I'm not sure I'd give up Murray in that though. I do wonder what it would take to get markkanen though since it was reported somewhere a couple weeks ago that the bulls were making him available too.

Mainly, I want to move DDR and Forbes.

[gambit1990]

warriors are interested in trading alec burks.

[JeffDuncan]

warriors are interested in trading alec burks.

The competition for him will be too much for the Spurs.

[spurspl]

warriors are interested in trading alec burks.

id take drussel from warriors. They dont need 3rd all star guard. Give them lma (who wants to win a ring finally) and our 1st pick which probably be high so warriors could take 2 top draft players. Then trade ddr white keldon poetlt + 2021 pick for drummond and kennard and im fine.

russel/loonie(murray)/kennard/lyles/drummond

[Realdeal1]

don’t have a specific / detailed trade but I’d be satisfied trading away any combination of Derozan, LA, Forbes , Beli , Gay , Mills in return for any of these players as the main centerpiece in the trade

Zach Lavine
Aaron Gordon
Kevin Love
Robert Covington
Andre Drummond
Danilo Gallinari

[Collins21]

id take drussel from warriors. They dont need 3rd all star guard. Give them lma (who wants to win a ring finally) and our 1st pick which probably be high so warriors could take 2 top draft players. Then trade ddr white keldon poetlt + 2021 pick for drummond and kennard and im fine.

russel/loonie(murray)/kennard/lyles/drummond

This is dumb on so many levels.

[slick'81]

id take drussel from warriors. They dont need 3rd all star guard. Give them lma (who wants to win a ring finally) and our 1st pick which probably be high so warriors could take 2 top draft players. Then trade ddr white keldon poetlt + 2021 pick for drummond and kennard and im fine.

russel/loonie(murray)/kennard/lyles/drummond

:wow

[Prime BEEF]

don’t have a specific / detailed trade but I’d be satisfied trading away any combination of Derozan, LA, Forbes , Beli , Gay , Mills in return for any of these players as the main centerpiece in the trade

Zach Lavine
Aaron Gordon
Kevin Love
Robert Covington
Andre Drummond
Danilo Gallinari
Agree. I’d Add OPJ to that list too

[RC_Drunkford]

don’t have a specific / detailed trade but I’d be satisfied trading away any combination of Derozan, LA, Forbes , Beli , Gay , Mills in return for any of these players as the main centerpiece in the trade

Zach Lavine
Aaron Gordon
Kevin Love
Robert Covington
Andre Drummond
Danilo Gallinari

None of these players are better than Aldridge

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

None of these players are better than Aldridge

Seriously, this thread - on a per post basis - has the worst takes in a long long time. :lol

[spurspl]

This is dumb on so many levels.

tell me why?? this roster has everything: defense,3pt shooters, offense, spacing etc. Plus an all star in drussel. Show me spurss player that is better now than him.


None of these players are better than Aldridge

zach lavine is waaay better than him. Drummond and gordon are slightly better now but they are younger so in a 1-2yrs they would be much better than aldridge. In a long term those 3 players are undoubtful an improvement for spurs.

[Realdeal1]

None of these players are better than Aldridge

LA and Demar aren’t exactly going to fetch you a Jayson Tatum , Jaylen Brown , Brandon Ingram , Marcus Smart , Jrue Holiday , Pascal Siakam, De’Aaron Fox type of player... just being somewhat realistic in what we can get ... sheesh lighten up... I still think the players on my list improve the spurs in the long run...

[RC_Drunkford]

tell me why?? this roster has everything: defense,3pt shooters, offense, spacing etc. Plus an all star in drussel. Show me spurss player that is better now than him.



zach lavine is waaay better than him. Drummond and gordon are slightly better now but they are younger so in a 1-2yrs they would be much better than aldridge. In a long term those 3 players are undoubtful an improvement for spurs.

Aldridge outplayed Drummond last night and you still don't see the light of the day :lmao

Lavine is a worse shooter than Aldridge from everywhere on the floor. He's also a bad defender. This team doesn't need more bad defenders. Aldridge even has a better Assist to Turnover ratio than Lavine.


LA and Demar aren’t exactly going to fetch you a Jayson Tatum , Jaylen Brown , Brandon Ingram , Marcus Smart , Jrue Holiday , De’Aaron Fox type of player... just being somewhat realistic in what we can get ... sheesh lighten up... I still think the players on my list improve the spurs in the long run...

I know that. But none of these players are young talented guys who will make a jump long term and some of them, like Love for example, are on terrible overpaid deals. I'm simply saying I wouldn't include Aldridge in any of these trades.

[Prime BEEF]

Aldridge outplayed Drummond last night and you still don't see the light of the day :lmao

Lavine is a worse shooter than Aldridge from everywhere on the floor. He's also a bad defender. This team doesn't need more bad defenders. Aldridge even has a better Assist to Turnover ratio than Lavine.



I know that. But none of these players are young talented guys who will make a jump long term and some of them, like Love for example, are on terrible overpaid deals. I'm simply saying I wouldn't include Aldridge in any of these trades.
Drummond consistently gets you 20/20 games, is a decade younger and a much better defender. LMA has always had the talent and ability to be great. The problem is that he’s mentally weak and disappears against good teams and in the playoffs. Like his 12pts/4rbds against LAC and his 3pts/4rbds against Boston. Using you’re logic of looking at head to head you’d say LMA isn’t as good as Zubac or Theis....both of which outplayed LMA head to head.

LaVine is 12yrs younger, a better scorer than LMA, can get his scoring with fast break transition points, and is a good 3pt shooter. No LMA is not a better shooter than he is.

obviously Love is older and has a bad contract. In order to do a trade for him we’d need to get a draft pick with him as well. LMA or Love and lottery pick? I’d take the latter

[mo7888]

I'm still for moving DDR and Forbes but, since we are essentially tied for 8th, if we wanted to improve our PO chances and not totally screw the future something like this would be interesting (and yes I know all the ny won't trade with us and we dont want him back bs is out there)

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=wg3ucf2

Or

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=wqhlcv3

With a pick attached

[RC_Drunkford]

Drummond consistently gets you 20/20 games, is a decade younger and a much better defender. LMA has always had the talent and ability to be great. The problem is that he’s mentally weak and disappears against good teams and in the playoffs. Like his 12pts/4rbds against LAC and his 3pts/4rbds against Boston. Using you’re logic of looking at head to head you’d say LMA isn’t as good as Zubac or Theis....both of which outplayed LMA head to head.

LaVine is 12yrs younger, a better scorer than LMA, can get his scoring with fast break transition points, and is a good 3pt shooter. No LMA is not a better shooter than he is.

obviously Love is older and has a bad contract. In order to do a trade for him we’d need to get a draft pick with him as well. LMA or Love and lottery pick? I’d take the latter

If LaVine is a better shooter than why is he shooting a worse percentage? Also what has Drummond done in the playoffs? Like ever? LA just has slow starts to the season, he's still better than Drummond. I get the age factor, but I don't think either are a good fit for the team. I got my eyes on RoCo, Gallo and Gordon as well, but would want them playing next to Aldridge cause they would fit well.

[Prime BEEF]

Just for the record...

my 3 favorite proposed trades are:
1) Murray/DDR for LaVine/OPJ
2) Murray/DDR/Poetl for Drummond/Jackson/1st Rd Pick
3) DDR for Gordon/Ross

To be fair those are all DDR centric trades. And you could keep LMA on those teams. Moving LMA is much harder. These are the only good trades for him that I’ve seen so far:

1) LMA for Hayward/1st Rd Pick
2) LMA for Whiteside/1st Rd Pick

I haven’t seen much else that I like so far.

[FutureMan]

Just for the record...

my 3 favorite proposed trades are:
1) Murray/DDR for LaVine/OPJ
2) Murray/DDR/Poetl for Drummond/Jackson/1st Rd Pick
3) DDR for Gordon/Ross

To be fair those are all DDR centric trades. And you could keep LMA on those teams. Moving LMA is much harder. These are the only good trades for him that I’ve seen so far:

1) LMA for Hayward/1st Rd Pick
2) LMA for Whiteside/1st Rd Pick

I haven’t seen much else that I like so far.

So with those Aldridge trades are you suggesting to tank the 2020-21 season or pick up a certain big?

[RC_Drunkford]

I just don't see how any of these trades improve the team long term. I'd rather try to add a starting PF to the team we have now by moving 2 of Belinelli/Carroll/Forbes/Mills/Lyles

[Prime BEEF]

So with those Aldridge trades are you suggesting to tank the 2020-21 season or pick up a certain big?
The LMA trades have to be complementary to one of the DDR trades above. I wouldn’t do an LMA trade by itself. Used together these trades improve the talent on the roster and drop the age of the roster down significantly. So you get better and younger at the same time. So no...not tanking.

[Prime BEEF]

I just don't see how any of these trades improve the team long term. I'd rather try to add a starting PF to the team we have now by moving 2 of Belinelli/Carroll/Forbes/Mills/Lyles
You can still do that trade. Didn’t list any of these names in my trade options above.

You have a more talented roster that is also younger. That helps the franchise longterm.

[talkspurs]

Just for the record...

my 3 favorite proposed trades are:
1) Murray/DDR for LaVine/OPJ
2) Murray/DDR/Poetl for Drummond/Jackson/1st Rd Pick
3) DDR for Gordon/Ross

To be fair those are all DDR centric trades. And you could keep LMA on those teams. Moving LMA is much harder. These are the only good trades for him that I’ve seen so far:

1) LMA for Hayward/1st Rd Pick
2) LMA for Whiteside/1st Rd Pick

I haven’t seen much else that I like so far.

You do realize the OPJ is injury prone and has been out for most fo they year? I dont see how that makes us much better. Lavine is not a winner.
Drummond does not fit the league anymore. He would have been good against Shaq.

I will stick with my trades.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yxyrbv7x

DDR gets closer to home.

We get rid of marco and Bryn. they could see Bryn and DDR as future players. We get a SF that can actually play that position and another big to warm the bench maybe trade him somewhere else.

NY would be hard to trade with.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qr9d55y we would also get their rookie pick. NY is wanting to get a star player. It thy would not give up Barret then Payton or Ellington. I would rather sub out a worse player then lose their pick.

[spurspl]

KAT is unhappy in minny, probably gonna be traded. I just wanna make some trade scenarios but guess what, we dont have any good enough players nor picks, well done patfo

[RC_Drunkford]

I got my eyes on Bogdanovic, Covington and Gallo, but I don't think we got anything that those teams would want in return :lol

[slick'81]

I got my eyes on Bogdanovic, Covington and Gallo, but I don't think we got anything that those teams would want in return :lol

Unless somebody wants lma/derozan/walker/white/murray our mills,carrol,belli,Forbes,lyles poo poo platter isnt going to cut it

[spurspl]

if we get bogdanovic(lavine) gordon and bamba while keeping murray loonie and white thats a huge big A+ for PATFO. Id even forget this horrible kawhis trade.

[Joseph Kony]

Rumor has it that KAT is not happy in Minny. If that's true Spurs should be on the damn phone offering to pony up whatever Minny wants. He's kind of overrated and soft but kid has a lot of talent he wont realize wasting away in Minnesota. Duncan coaching this kid might unleash the beast.

[DPG21920]

Rumor has it that KAT is not happy in Minny. If that's true Spurs should be on the damn phone offering to pony up whatever Minny wants. He's kind of overrated and soft but kid has a lot of talent he wont realize wasting away in Minnesota. Duncan coaching this kid might unleash the beast.

For sure - but I don’t think SA would have enough. He would probably net a PG to Clippers type deal (not quite as much since there’s no Kawhi with him, but the point was it would be a fierce bidding war).

But yeah, if you can actually land a KAT then you offer up whatever it takes.

[tbdog]

Twolves would only be interested in youth a picks. Spurs would need to offer White, Walker, DD, Gay, Poeltl for Towns and their over payed backup center.

[RC_Drunkford]

Rumor has it that KAT is not happy in Minny. If that's true Spurs should be on the damn phone offering to pony up whatever Minny wants. He's kind of overrated and soft but kid has a lot of talent he wont realize wasting away in Minnesota. Duncan coaching this kid might unleash the beast.

Dubs will get him for Russel and their #1 pick

[spurspl]

For sure - but I don’t think SA would have enough. He would probably net a PG to Clippers type deal (not quite as much since there’s no Kawhi with him, but the point was it would be a fierce bidding war).

But yeah, if you can actually land a KAT then you offer up whatever it takes.


if we took LA deal for kawhis and tank this season we would have 1#pick and ball/ingram/hart + lma and our young players to trade. But we have stupid management as hell and no chance to get KAT.

[exstatic]

You are definitely persistent.

As much as I hate his awful contract, I would do Mills/Marco/Gay/Carrol for CP3/1st Rd pick

How bad does OKC want to get rid of his contract? Will they take our garbage in return for relief from his contract?

They don’t. Last I heard, they still think they can get assets for him. The fact that they’re in the playoff mix helps their cause.

[exstatic]

If you believe the narrative about his market value being depressed, he’s looking at 65/4y whether this summer or next. If I’m him I’ll take next Summer and cash in my 27m option this one.

And if he gets injured in that opt in year? He’d be looking at Rudy Gay money for the last few years of his career. I don’t think he has six good years left, so he’ll never reach that $64M plateau.

[Prime BEEF]

Dubs will get him for Russel and their #1 pick
I think the wolves would be ok with this trade. Basically disgruntled KAT for Russell and Wiseman

[talkspurs]

Why does everyone keep wanting Kat? While he is a good player I always wonder if he is a winner. He has not done much in his career. Has he even made the PO? Think of most great players they can get their teams to the PO.

I would actually rather have their "overpriced Backup". While i wish he was payed less he has always done well when he has played.

I would look at DDR/ forbes for Rco/Deng and a first?

[acoelho1]

If KAT was available and he’s not, most teams in the league would want to trade for him so the Spurs don’t have enough assets.

The biggest issue with this team is who is getting the minutes. Replace Forbes with White or Walker and I feel our fortunates would change.

[Realdeal1]

Clan the spurs fan posted that according to his sources.. possible 3 team trade being discussed between thunder , warriors, spurs with 10 players , trade exceptions and draft picks involved .... I know probably bs just thought it was interesting to share

warriors want derozan
thunder want LA
spurs want Deangelo Russell and Steven Adams

Eric paschall and Terrance Ferguson also involved in trade

[Leetonidas]

Why does everyone keep wanting Kat? While he is a good player I always wonder if he is a winner. He has not done much in his career. Has he even made the PO? Think of most great players they can get their teams to the PO.

I would actually rather have their "overpriced Backup". While i wish he was payed less he has always done well when he has played.

I would look at DDR/ forbes for Rco/Deng and a first?

He plays for one of the worst franchises in the nba with his #2 being trash ass Wiggins and has had shit coaching too. Hard to lead your team to the playoffs when your coaches suck, your second option is a massive net negative, your role players are trash, and your front office is inept

[Joseph Kony]

Dubs will get him for Russel and their #1 pick

Russell and Towns are butt buddies tbh...i think they would prefer to try to pair them together but if the trade is there im sure GS will make it

[sasaint]

Clan the spurs fan posted that according to his sources.. possible 3 team trade being discussed between thunder , warriors, spurs with 10 players , trade exceptions and draft picks involved .... I know probably bs just thought it was interesting to share

warriors want derozan
thunder want LA
spurs want Deangelo Russell and Steven Adams

Eric paschall and Terrance Ferguson also involved in trade

"Warriors want Derozan" :lmao

You can forget those sauces.

[slick'81]

Clan the spurs fan posted that according to his sources.. possible 3 team trade being discussed between thunder , warriors, spurs with 10 players , trade exceptions and draft picks involved .... I know probably bs just thought it was interesting to share

warriors want derozan
thunder want LA
spurs want Deangelo Russell and Steven Adams

Eric paschall and Terrance Ferguson also involved in trade


Ok

[sasaint]

Why does everyone keep wanting Kat? While he is a good player I always wonder if he is a winner. He has not done much in his career. Has he even made the PO? Think of most great players they can get their teams to the PO.

I would actually rather have their "overpriced Backup". While i wish he was payed less he has always done well when he has played.

I would look at DDR/ forbes for Rco/Deng and a first?

I wouldn't mind that deal at all

[RC_Drunkford]

Clan the spurs fan posted that according to his sources.. possible 3 team trade being discussed between thunder , warriors, spurs with 10 players , trade exceptions and draft picks involved .... I know probably bs just thought it was interesting to share

warriors want derozan
thunder want LA
spurs want Deangelo Russell and Steven Adams

Eric paschall and Terrance Ferguson also involved in trade

Clan the Spurs fan also said the Spurs wanted to sign Jabari Parker. He says a lot of dumb shit

[Msirotic]

I watched a lot of Adams this year, he isn't having a great year and that's with a great facilitating PG... he also makes about 27 millions this year and next. I hope the Spurs would get an additional asset if they trade LA for him.

[talkspurs]

He plays for one of the worst franchises in the nba with his #2 being trash ass Wiggins and has had shit coaching too. Hard to lead your team to the playoffs when your coaches suck, your second option is a massive net negative, your role players are trash, and your front office is inept

He also had butler for most of a season and he got tired of him. He also has Teague and RCo. While the last two are not elite they are not bad. He is not a winner. DDR looks good but is not a winner.

[Leetonidas]

He also had butler for most of a season and he got tired of him. He also has Teague and RCo. While the last two are not elite they are not bad. He is not a winner. DDR looks good but is not a winner.

He didn't get tired of Butler. Butler demanded out. And Teague is garbage. Covington is the only decent role player they have.

Comparing KAT a young big who can shoot from the arc, score inside, and rebound to a soft mentally fragile midrange chucker like DD is laughable

[talkspurs]

He didn't get tired of Butler. Butler demanded out. And Teague is garbage. Covington is the only decent role player they have.

Comparing KAT a young big who can shoot from the arc, score inside, and rebound to a soft mentally fragile midrange chucker like DD is laughable

Butler got tired of KAT because KAT was not concerned about winning. He has more skills then DDR but he might not even have as much heart. He has had good players and not been able to make the PO. Teague was an All star in 2015.

[Leetonidas]

Butler got tired of KAT because KAT was not concerned about winning. He has more skills then DDR but he might not even have as much heart. He has had good players and not been able to make the PO. Teague was an All star in 2015.

And MCW was rookie of the year once... Who cares? You should watch the games instead of just going off past rep and general narratives. I never said Towns was prime Tim Duncan but he is by far better than any player on our roster and a much more modern big man. Spurs would not be doing their due diligence of they did not at least inquire

[talkspurs]

And MCW was rookie of the year once... Who cares? You should watch the games instead of just going off past rep and general narratives. I never said Towns was prime Tim Duncan but he is by far better than any player on our roster and a much more modern big man. Spurs would not be doing their due diligence of they did not at least inquire

It would not hurt to inquire but any trade would be a big hit to us and take most of our youth and picks.So we would have him and no one else. He is not a winner but if we got him for relatively cheap then ok but giving up a lot no. I think He would get somethign close to AD.

[Joseph Kony]

It would not hurt to inquire but any trade would be a big hit to us and take most of our youth and picks.So we would have him and no one else. He is not a winner but if we got him for relatively cheap then ok but giving up a lot no. I think He would get somethign close to AD.

our roster aside from maybe walker has pretty limited upside and is not that great. the spurs dont have "a lot" to give up. lol @ anyone thinking Spurs should hold anyone out of a potential deal for a top 5 big man under 25 when the roster is trash :lmao

[JeffDuncan]

our roster aside from maybe walker has pretty limited upside ...

You got me thinking about the upside of the Spurs roster.

DDR - no more upside. What you see now is all you're going to get.

Forbes - ditto. He'll never be Steph Curry II.

Mills - he's the best wombat he's going to be.

Beli - only downside. He's on the downhill slope of his career.

Gay - his trend is downward, too.

LMA - might still have some upside, offensively, if the team can make it work for him to shoot more 3s. But it takes team play to make that happen. Optimize, Pop, optimize!

Poeltl - limited upside, like you say, but he can still get better.

Lyles - some upside, the question being, how much? He's 24, and players usually peak at 27 or 28. But he can get noticeably better, I think.

Carroll - the invisible man.

White - upside depends on his health. He still doesn't seem to be moving as well as he did when he was at his best last season.

Murray - he's getting better, but at a snail's pace, with frequent setbacks. Pound that rock.

Lonnie - like you mention, he's the one with serious hopes toward the upside.

Yep, it's a roster with "pretty limited upside" exactly as you say. No argument.

All serious offers considered...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Murray - he's getting better, but at a snail's pace, with frequent setbacks. Pound that rock.


I agree with your post, however, I think you're a bit harsh on Murray, he's back from the type of injury that used to be career ending not that long ago and it's only natural that it'd take him a year or so to see his real self. Sure, he's got a lot to improve in terms of shooting, handling and playmaking, but he still has a lot of upside left.

You've also forgotten Johnson and Samanic. Johnson seems like he's going to be a solid player and he's even showing some ability to drive and finish at the rim - stuff that wasn't expected of him coming from college as a 3 and D type. He's still very young.

Samanic, I think has the biggest upside on the team. Obviously he's far from reaching it, but his projected skills are incredibly intriguing - shooting, dribbling and playmaking from the high post - yes please! Think of how many bigs there are in the league able to do this. Of course he's yet to put it all together and he might never do it, but as we're talking about upside here he's a really exciting project.

[spurspl]

You got me thinking about the upside of the Spurs roster.

DDR - no more upside. What you see now is all you're going to get.

Forbes - ditto. He'll never be Steph Curry II.

Mills - he's the best wombat he's going to be.

Beli - only downside. He's on the downhill slope of his career.

Gay - his trend is downward, too.

LMA - might still have some upside, offensively, if the team can make it work for him to shoot more 3s. But it takes team play to make that happen. Optimize, Pop, optimize!

Poeltl - limited upside, like you say, but he can still get better.

Lyles - some upside, the question being, how much? He's 24, and players usually peak at 27 or 28. But he can get noticeably better, I think.

Carroll - the invisible man.

White - upside depends on his health. He still doesn't seem to be moving as well as he did when he was at his best last season.

Murray - he's getting better, but at a snail's pace, with frequent setbacks. Pound that rock.

Lonnie - like you mention, he's the one with serious hopes toward the upside.

Yep, it's a roster with "pretty limited upside" exactly as you say. No argument.

All serious offers considered...

totally agree, this team is a trash with almost zero chances to improve in a future

[Prime BEEF]

You got me thinking about the upside of the Spurs roster.

DDR - no more upside. What you see now is all you're going to get.

Forbes - ditto. He'll never be Steph Curry II.

Mills - he's the best wombat he's going to be.

Beli - only downside. He's on the downhill slope of his career.

Gay - his trend is downward, too.

LMA - might still have some upside, offensively, if the team can make it work for him to shoot more 3s. But it takes team play to make that happen. Optimize, Pop, optimize!

Poeltl - limited upside, like you say, but he can still get better.

Lyles - some upside, the question being, how much? He's 24, and players usually peak at 27 or 28. But he can get noticeably better, I think.

Carroll - the invisible man.

White - upside depends on his health. He still doesn't seem to be moving as well as he did when he was at his best last season.

Murray - he's getting better, but at a snail's pace, with frequent setbacks. Pound that rock.

Lonnie - like you mention, he's the one with serious hopes toward the upside.

Yep, it's a roster with "pretty limited upside" exactly as you say. No argument.

All serious offers considered...
Yup. Complete trash roster. Have to listen to all trade offers

[TD 21]

It was probably mentioned somewhere in here, but I'm not wasting time sifting through it to find out: DeRozan for Porter . . . in the off season because let's face it, it's highly unlikely they do anything in season.

Despite some unsubstantiated rumors, the Bulls don't appear a sensible suitor on the surface, but they're actually the profile of the rare type of team he makes sense for: They're trying to make the playoffs (without sacrificing their future), they're 28th offensively, but they're 8th in 3pt makes/attempts and 15th in %, as well as 7th defensively (would likely regress some with Dunn inevitably playing a lesser role).

Meanwhile, Porter is about as clean a fit as can be and would pave the way to start White/Walker ahead of Forbes.

[EasyMoney]

Jonathon Isaac just went down with an apparent knee injury. If serious, anyone think Orlando might go into desperation mode and make a trade for demar? Or, most importantly, will San Antonio pull the trigger?

[mo7888]

Jonathon Isaac just went down with an apparent knee injury. If serious, anyone think Orlando might go into desperation mode and make a trade for demar? Or, most importantly, will San Antonio pull the trigger?

I think it's more likely they don't make a big move now and just move Gordon to the 4 where he's best suited and look to acquire a smaller piece.

[Coach X]

I don't see PATFO trading DeRozan nor Aldridge this season unless this team gets absolutely out of playoff contention by the all star game. And I don't see that happening.

Going back to the topic, "realistic Dream Packages", I'm bringing two names: Saric and Bogdanovic. I think both are Spurs material: likeables by Pop and a good fit next to Aldridge, DeRozan, Murray and our second string of key players: Poetl, Mills, White, Walker.

Bogdanovic said no to a $50M contract in Sacramento, maybe the Kings are happy trading him right now as they are putting their eggs on Fox and Hield (the question is, does Bogdanovic want more money, more minutes or a better chance to win?) Anyway, depending on how much the Kings are asking, Spurs might pay a rent for the rest of this season and then try their chances.

Saric is finishing his rookie contract. Lile Sacramento, Phoenix is another team in between two completely different scenarios: fight for playoffs and add players or trade and tank. Either way, Suns are appearing in lots of rumors so Saric might get lost in translation.

What do you guys think Spurs could offer to PHO, SAC? Is there a realistic chance?

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't see PATFO trading DeRozan nor Aldridge this season unless this team gets absolutely out of playoff contention by the all star game. And I don't see that happening.

Going back to the topic, "realistic Dream Packages", I'm bringing two names: Saric and Bogdanovic. I think both are Spurs material: likeables by Pop and a good fit next to Aldridge, DeRozan, Murray and our second string of key players: Poetl, Mills, White, Walker.

Bogdanovic said no to a $50M contract in Sacramento, maybe the Kings are happy trading him right now as they are putting their eggs on Fox and Hield (the question is, does Bogdanovic want more money, more minutes or a better chance to win?) Anyway, depending on how much the Kings are asking, Spurs might pay a rent for the rest of this season and then try their chances.

Saric is finishing his rookie contract. Lile Sacramento, Phoenix is another team in between two completely different scenarios: fight for playoffs and add players or trade and tank. Either way, Suns are appearing in lots of rumors so Saric might get lost in translation.

What do you guys think Spurs could offer to PHO, SAC? Is there a realistic chance?

Bogdanovic apparently wants to start which he could do here instantly. How is he defensively though? He's longer than Forbes, so I guess that makes him a better defender automatically, but other than that I don't know much about his defense. Spurs got a lot of contracts that fit his salary range like Carroll, Belinelli, Lyles and Forbes, but I don't see Sacramento being interested in any of these players. Same with Phoenix, so I'd assume Spurs would have to throw in a pick

[mo7888]

I don't see PATFO trading DeRozan nor Aldridge this season unless this team gets absolutely out of playoff contention by the all star game. And I don't see that happening.

Going back to the topic, "realistic Dream Packages", I'm bringing two names: Saric and Bogdanovic. I think both are Spurs material: likeables by Pop and a good fit next to Aldridge, DeRozan, Murray and our second string of key players: Poetl, Mills, White, Walker.

Bogdanovic said no to a $50M contract in Sacramento, maybe the Kings are happy trading him right now as they are putting their eggs on Fox and Hield (the question is, does Bogdanovic want more money, more minutes or a better chance to win?) Anyway, depending on how much the Kings are asking, Spurs might pay a rent for the rest of this season and then try their chances.

Saric is finishing his rookie contract. Lile Sacramento, Phoenix is another team in between two completely different scenarios: fight for playoffs and add players or trade and tank. Either way, Suns are appearing in lots of rumors so Saric might get lost in translation.

What do you guys think Spurs could offer to PHO, SAC? Is there a realistic chance?
For sac probably Forbes, belli, and a 2nd if a rental or future 1st if theres a deal in place to resign him.

Phoenix Belli, metu, and a future 1st

I'm not saying we'd pay that, I'm saying it'll take that to get it done.

[talkspurs]

our roster aside from maybe walker has pretty limited upside and is not that great. the spurs dont have "a lot" to give up. lol @ anyone thinking Spurs should hold anyone out of a potential deal for a top 5 big man under 25 when the roster is trash :lmao


So you are saying we should put out Kat and a bunch of no names. We would get money ina year or two once all their bad contracts we had to take back came off but we would have no youth and no picks and LMA and Derozen gone. Then when Kat leaves at the end of the deal we are even worse off. People keep saying we cant attract a star so its not like we would get one that way. Typically teams that give up lots of picks have another player staying there. If we did this we would be in worse shape then we are. As I said Kat is not a winner. He is another derozen. Different skill set but still same mentality. Derozen puts up good numbers by your thinking we should be happy to have him.

[Payote75]

I am just frustrated by this whole situation with the Spurs. They are in limbo land they are taking themselves out of the lottery. Fine nobody wants a loser team but for the love of god understand DD needs to go. Get what you can for him now and Aldridge too but more so DD. He isn't coming back why lose him for nothing just add some more young pieces the way the west is going the Spurs could still hang in limbo for that 8th spot. I just don't understand they have always been an outstanding franchise and I have to trust the orginization but I am having doubts here. DD needs to go for the best available package and Aldridge is in high demand right now especially with this 3 point shot added to his game. Boston needs a big I would definitely do Aldridge for Heywood(spelling).

As far as DD just bring us assets Orlando Chicago Sacramento whatever just get assets.

[gambit1990]

the thunder came back from behind against the mavs, finished the game on a 14-2 run. cp3 scored 13 of okc's final 17 points. the dude is #1 in points in the clutch this season with 91. #2 has 78.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC3nJs0ujuY

anyone who thought he would fall off a cliff :lol too many spurs fans thinking cp3 would drop off like tony.

[gambit1990]

cp3 should be... no worse than top 7 amongst mvp candidates.

okc should say 'fvck it' and trade andre roberson + a 1st for bertans TBH. bolster that roster and fvcking run with it.

[tholdren]

Murray Leonard lma for Dragic and kennard

[mo7888]

cp3 should be... no worse than top 7 amongst mvp candidates.

okc should say 'fvck it' and trade andre roberson + a 1st for bertans TBH. bolster that roster and fvcking run with it.

I'm not sure who the target should be but you're absolutely right, they have all those picks they've acquired and they should package one with Roberson and maybe even another smaller piece to acquire talent for this season. People underestimate Paul's ability to be a force multiplier and they also underestimate the impact of a healthy gallo.

[Coach X]

Bogdanovic apparently wants to start which he could do here instantly. How is he defensively though? He's longer than Forbes, so I guess that makes him a better defender automatically, but other than that I don't know much about his defense. Spurs got a lot of contracts that fit his salary range like Carroll, Belinelli, Lyles and Forbes, but I don't see Sacramento being interested in any of these players. Same with Phoenix, so I'd assume Spurs would have to throw in a pick


For sac probably Forbes, belli, and a 2nd if a rental or future 1st if theres a deal in place to resign him.

Phoenix Belli, metu, and a future 1st

I'm not saying we'd pay that, I'm saying it'll take that to get it done.

If that's the price: Is it fair to trade the 14th-16th 1st round pick in a mediocre draft for a starter fitting very well with your current core? Answer is YES, it would be a good trade. The problem is it would be just a rental if Bogdanovic/Saric decide to leave in the free agency this summer. So if they don't adapt well, you've lost a 1st round for nothing. It's a risk.

Anyways, I believe Spurs should at least ask and find out how interested would be these players about staying in San Antonio.

[BackHome]

I agree I don’t think DEROZZ is going to want to stay in SA he either wants to go back to East Coast or will go back to Cali.

[spurraider21]

LMA plays a lot of minute at center... Love would be a disaster as a replacement.

[gambit1990]

I'm not sure who the target should be but you're absolutely right, they have all those picks they've acquired and they should package one with Roberson and maybe even another smaller piece to acquire talent for this season. People underestimate Paul's ability to be a force multiplier and they also underestimate the impact of a healthy gallo.
:tu

[spurspl]

blake griffin got a knee injury, season ends for him, a BIG LOL for those who wanted trading for him

[gambit1990]

the point god scored 20 of his 28 points in the 4th quarter & OT tonight.

the thunder also had the best record in the west for the month of december.

[gambit1990]

Maybe, but being a playoff team is what 99% of the league strives for..CP3 taking OKC no where as well and somehow lost to the awful Spurs

Is making 40M and can’t take okc further than an awful Spurs
:lol

we had opposite takes. and you were wrong. that's nothing new though.

[DPG21920]

:lol

we had opposite takes. and you were wrong. that's nothing new though.

OKC going anywhere in the playoffs? Sure, he’s playing great but OKC is a fools gold team that will get bounced in the first round.

But legit hats off to CP3 for even getting them to the playoffs. That is a legit accomplishment.