What are your realistic Dream Packages if we have a fire sale?

[raybies]

Mine:

LMA to Portland for Bazemore and Zach Collins
Derozan and Beli to Orlando for Gordon and Ross
Forbes and Mills for whatever

Id take the LMA and DD trades without picks even. Just getting a solid two way players would be enough tbh. I think you could get a pick for LMA with that deal but I don’t see Orlando giving up Gordon and a pick. Whatever picks you can get than the better.

Lineup
Murray/White
Bazemore/Walker
Carrol/Ross/Johnson
Gordon/Lyles/Samanic
Poetl/Collins/Metu

Team would be highly competitive on both sides and fun to watch. I think pop steps down and the future begins

[slick'81]

Sniff sniff

[JADG79]

LMA and (Pick, Bryn or Loonie) to BOS for Hayward
DD and (Pick, Bryn or Loonie) to ORL for Aaron Gordon and Mo Bamba

We cannot take more guards in a trade.

I would like to trade Poeltl but without LMA, Bamba is not ready yet to assume the role.
Marco for a cup of coffee and conditional 2nd round pick in 2050.

[baseline bum]

Mine:

LMA to Portland for Bazemore and Zach Collins
Derozan and Beli to Orlando for Gordon and Ross
Forbes and Mills for whatever

Id take the LMA and DD trades without picks even. Just getting a solid two way players would be enough tbh. I think you could get a pick for LMA with that deal but I don’t see Orlando giving up Gordon and a pick. Whatever picks you can get than the better.

Lineup
Murray/White
Bazemore/Walker
Carrol/Ross/Johnson
Gordon/Lyles/Samanic
Poetl/Collins/Metu

Team would be highly competitive on both sides and fun to watch. I think pop steps down and the future begins

Bend over. I'll give you a dream package.

[DPG21920]

If we are talking dream package? It would be something like DeRozan for Aaron Gordon. Not that Gordon is a stud and for sure star, but the “dream” aspect is he’s young, talented and fits well with the timeline of the existing good younger players that are past prospect stage. To me, that is a little more valuable than a late first for this organization at the moment.

So players like that for LMA/DeRozan (and maybe a pick in there) and then picks for Rudy, Mills, Forbes so SA can have 3-5 first rounders and maybe use those to trade up into the lottery if they dont already land there themselves.

[spurspl]

lma/loonie/keldon and a pick for bazemore/collins/anfernee
ddr/metu/forbes for gordon/bamba

mills/belli for a picks or “already called a bust”young players (maybe they develop in spurs)

murray/anfernee/gordon/collins/bamba

[phxspurfan]

LMA for Andre Drummond or Blake Griffin

DeMar for Aaron Gordon

Mills/Forbes/Beli for nothing

Start everyone else

Win 30 games

Pop retires

Become Phx Suns / commence rebuild









Move to Seattle

[Dex]

A time machine to bring Tim, David, Tony, and Manu back.

[spurspl]

A time machine to bring Tim, David, Tony, and Manu back.

this time machine is called tanking and gettin a top picks

[duncan2k5]

Jonathan Isaac... By any means necessary (except Murray)

[Kevin]

What about LMA to the Raptors for OG Anunoby plus Marc Gasol to make salaries match? OG would be a really nice fit with the Spurs. The Raps with Lowery LMA and Pascal could really make some noise out east. Makes sense for both teams in my opinion.

[K...]

Pls also consider trading pop, it was always a slap in the face that doc rivers cost a pick. Pop should get the same or more

[spurspl]

Jonathan Isaac... By any means necessary (except Murray)

we dont have any assets they would want to for isaac

[DPG21920]

we dont have any assets they would want to for isaac

7 first round picks unprotected, Lonnie, Murray and White for Isaac?

[all_heart]

Considering the Spurs have a snowball chance in hell we might as well trade away some dead weight, expiring contracts for whatever we can get.. and tank. Figure out our bright spots and come back stronger next year.

Allow Pop to retire and let Becky/Timmy take over.. or bring in a decent coach if all else.

[alpha_HaZE]

LA to Portland for Bazemore and Collins
DeMar and Beli to Orlando for Fournier, Gordon and Bamba.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Relocate to Seattle.

[jjktkk]

Unless you can get some a couple really good, young prospects, I would try and accumulate as many 1st round picks as possible.

[My Fault]

LMA to Pacers for Myles Turner and filler

[exstatic]

LA to Portland for Bazemore and Collins
DeMar and Beli to Orlando for Fournier, Gordon and Bamba.

OP's alt, tbh.

If you're trying to keep your alts on the DL, you probably shouldn't propose the EXACT trade package as your primary ID.

[tbdog]

Isaac won't be had unless it's a huge package.

[Prime BEEF]

Assuming it needs to be reasonable and not something fun like trading pop or a time machine....

3 team trade between Orl/SA/Atl:
Atlanta gets Ross/LMA/Lonnie
Orlando gets DDR/Jacob/Marco
SA gets Reddish/Hunter/Fernando/Parsons/Gordon/Bamba

Get Parsons’ expiring $25M contract and have a great young core

Potential Lineup...
Murray/White
Reddish/Forbes/Mills
Hunter/Gay/Carrol
Gordon/Lyles
Bamba/Fernando

[Gorepopovich]

:yield: LA, DD, Belinelli.
:clap: Steven Adams, Dario Saric, Kent Bazemore.

[MoSpur02]

LaMarcus Aldridge to Portland for Collins and Bazemore or Aldridge to Detroit for Drummond.
Derozan to Orlando for Gordon and Ross.

[slick'81]

dream scenario would be moving demar and being able to package mills/belli with it.

[Texas_Ranger]

The next 5 First rounders, Derozan, LMA, Murray and pretty much anyone the Mavs want for Luka.

[Prime BEEF]

LaMarcus Aldridge to Portland for Collins and Bazemore or Aldridge to Detroit for Drummond.
Derozan to Orlando for Gordon and Ross.

would love to get Drummond/Gordon/Ross. Add these guys with the other young guys and you’ve a very entertaining, young team that actually plays defense

[Prime BEEF]

The next 5 First rounders, Derozan, LMA, Murray and pretty much anyone the Mavs want for Luka.

haha yeah that would be good

DDR/LMA/Murray/White/3 1stR picks
for Luka/KP/Hardaway Jr

[RiverwalkParade]

LMA and DDR for picks and expiring contracts, don’t care who.

Rebuild in the draft and sign a couple of guys in free agency

[raybies]

LaMarcus Aldridge to Portland for Collins and Bazemore or Aldridge to Detroit for Drummond.
Derozan to Orlando for Gordon and Ross.
I like what you did there

[lmbebo]

Not sure what is out there.

I think Miami may be a team that might target DDR or LMA as well. Maybe Sac might be in the market as well?

[tbdog]

Gordon would be my got to. Winslow is an option that I can see Heat going all out to win as they are playing well right now. Hornets have some youth option, Bridges I think. Batum would need to be attached. I would love Sabonis but his contract is hard to trade for.

[DPG21920]

LaMarcus Aldridge to Portland for Collins and Bazemore or Aldridge to Detroit for Drummond.
Derozan to Orlando for Gordon and Ross.

I don’t see why DET would trade Drummond. He’s actually expanded his game and been pretty solid.

[gambit1990]

https://i.imgur.com/HZYq2iZ.png


cp3/white
murray/walker/forbes
diallo/carroll
la/gallo/luka
adams/noel

spurs improve across the board:
-they get the point god for a floor general instead of dumbar derozan
-cp3, diallo, adams, noel help the team out defensively
-gallo would be scoring punch off the bench

spurs still wouldn't be favorites but would be MUCH improved. if one of lebron/AD and one of kawhi/PG get injured then they're making to the finals and could handle any team from the east tbh.

[gambit1990]

i could see why people would want to move la but let him be comfortable in his own skin. he'd pair up nicely with adams and noel... he wouldn't have to be the first one back on defense... and cp3 could get him easy buckets / keep him happy, motivated.

people think adams is outdated but you need size against AD, howard, and mcgee.

[DPG21920]

Rudy isn’t available to trade until January right?

[tbdog]

15th of December I believe

[Russ]

If you have a "fire sale" you won't get a "dream package."

[FutureMan]

BOS: Aldridge, DeRozan, Forbes, SAS 2nd
SAS: Hayward, Smart, Kanter, Memphis pick

Rest Hayward for the remainder of the year and then we’d have 2 top ten picks. Bounce back in 2020 with a lineup of:

Murray. Mills
White. Walker
Avdija. Carroll
Hayward. Gay
Wiseman. Poeltl

With a max slot available for 2021

[Degoat]

do y’all think the suns would consider LMA +assest for deandre Ayton +Filler? Suns have looked pretty good this year with Baynes as there center

[vander]

I just want draft picks, free agents don't go to SA, gotta build through the draft

[szkorhetz]

LMA to Pacers for Myles Turner and filler

Indiana will never trade with us. Never

[spurspl]

Assuming it needs to be reasonable and not something fun like trading pop or a time machine....

3 team trade between Orl/SA/Atl:
Atlanta gets Ross/LMA/Lonnie
Orlando gets DDR/Jacob/Marco
SA gets Reddish/Hunter/Fernando/Parsons/Gordon/Bamba

Get Parsons’ expiring $25M contract and have a great young core

Potential Lineup...
Murray/White
Reddish/Forbes/Mills
Hunter/Gay/Carrol
Gordon/Lyles
Bamba/Fernando

id love to see this happen but not sure atl would give 2 young prospects,who they probably want to play with trae for a yrs, for an old la and unproved loonie. Probably we would have to throw 1or2 picks to this deal.

[spurspl]

BOS: Aldridge, DeRozan, Forbes, SAS 2nd
SAS: Hayward, Smart, Kanter, Memphis pick

Rest Hayward for the remainder of the year and then we’d have 2 top ten picks. Bounce back in 2020 with a lineup of:

Murray. Mills
White. Walker
Avdija. Carroll
Hayward. Gay
Wiseman. Poeltl

With a max slot available for 2021

change smart for a brown and im more than ok with this deal.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Seems like some posters aren’t sure whether they want to tank or replace underperforming players with other meh players. In the case of a firesale the most logical thing is to look for picks and young players. No team is likely to give a pick that’s not at least lottery protected too, so there won’t be a dream package.

Teams potentially interested in LMA : Boston, Miami, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, maybe NY cause they don’t know what they’re doing and are all over the place but there seems to be bad blood between them and SA.

Teams potentially interested in DDR : Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit, Orlando.

The most logical thing is to wait until january, see if the Spurs can turn it around a bit like last season and wait for all players signed in the summer to be available for trades. Most of these teams are on the playoff bubble and they might be more willing to give a decent asset if they feel they need one more piece before the trade deadline. I don’t expect a trade any time soon and there’s no need to rush it, it’s important to make the best decision, timing isn’t important until the deadline obviously.

[BillMc]

The next 5 First rounders, Derozan, LMA, Murray and pretty much anyone the Mavs want for Luka.

If Kawhi hadn't deliberately tanked his market value we might have been able to have gotten a high enough pick to have gotten Luka.

[szkorhetz]

If LMA must be traded, i could see him being shipped to Dallas for Porzingis.

Spurs reportedly had interest in him before, and Zingis is not a good fit next to Doncic, while LMA would give them a 2 year contending window.

[RC_Drunkford]

now all of a sudden everybody wants Bazemore but when I said we should trade for him last year to start him instead of Forbes nobody wanted him :lol

[duncan2k5]

Seems like some posters aren’t sure whether they want to tank or replace underperforming players with other meh players. In the case of a firesale the most logical thing is to look for picks and young players. No team is likely to give a pick that’s not at least lottery protected too, so there won’t be a dream package.

Teams potentially interested in LMA : Boston, Miami, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, maybe NY cause they don’t know what they’re doing and are all over the place but there seems to be bad blood between them and SA.

Teams potentially interested in DDR : Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit, Orlando.

The most logical thing is to wait until january, see if the Spurs can turn it around a bit like last season and wait for all players signed in the summer to be available for trades. Most of these teams are on the playoff bubble and they might be more willing to give a decent asset if they feel they need one more piece before the trade deadline. I don’t expect a trade any time soon and there’s no need to rush it, it’s important to make the best decision, timing isn’t important until the deadline obviously.

Turn it around? For another first round exit? How much losing does it take for y'all to get LMA and DDR will NEVER be winners? They've lost their entire careers... They're both over the hill now... What turnaround are u expecting? They have a 1st round ceiling

[duncan2k5]

now all of a sudden everybody wants Bazemore but when I said we should trade for him last year to start him instead of Forbes nobody wanted him :lol

I wanted him... I thought the ppl that were saying Forbes us better were insane

[My Fault]

Indiana will never trade with us. Never
Why not? Because of the Kawhi trade? I don’t think that left a bad taste in their mouth since they would’ve never drafted him themselves otherwise, no way of knowing he would be what he is today. I read they might unload Turner since they paid Sabonis and with LMA he’ll be off the books before they have to pay Oladipo so I think this works for both sides.

[KobesAchilles]

LMA for Gordon Hayward. We have too many guards and need a SF. Boston desperately needs a big man after losing Horford. Then trade with the Knicks to get Randle. The President is already pissed about their start and that team is about to have a fire sale of their own :lol

[Russ]

LMA to Pacers for Myles Turner and filler


Indiana will never trade with us. Never

No one would make that trade. Ever.

It cracks me up that the most irrationally pessimistic posters here (who claim everyone else is naive) are also the most irrationally optimistic about ridiculous trades that the Spurs might make in some fantasy world.

[RGMCSE]

Defrozen, poertel and a pick for number 2 and Danny green. Lma for Paul George.

[Prime BEEF]

I wonder if Detroit would do a griffin/Drummond for DDR/LMA trade. Probably have to throw in some extras. If the spurs do trade with Detroit I hope the FO also looks to get Kennard.

[spurspl]

If LMA must be traded, i could see him being shipped to Dallas for Porzingis.

Spurs reportedly had interest in him before, and Zingis is not a good fit next to Doncic, while LMA would give them a 2 year contending window.

noooo way dallas would do this

[spurspl]

I wonder if Detroit would do a griffin/Drummond for DDR/LMA trade. Probably have to throw in some extras. If the spurs do trade with Detroit I hope the FO also looks to get Kennard.

pls no, we need young talented players to play with murray for a yrs. Im definitely against trading for another old/non all star/ injury prone etc players.

[r0drig0lac]

do y’all think the suns would consider LMA +assest for deandre Ayton +Filler? Suns have looked pretty good this year with Baynes as there center

:lol no way



now all of a sudden everybody wants Bazemore but when I said we should trade for him last year to start him instead of Forbes nobody wanted him :lol

spurstalk overestimates the spurs roster more than any other forum, and a lot of it comes from the belief in legends created around Pop (he created Kawhi, he can lead a gleague team for the playoffs, etc.), we spent years attacking Deloser and last season some people said he was a better offensive player than Kawhi, it's normal.

[TDomination]

Here’s why the Spurs bear monitoring if Heat pursues a move.
When ESPN’s Kendrick Perkins suggested this week that the struggling San Antonio Spurs should consider trading LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMar DeRozan, the Heat immediately came to mind, not only because Pat Riley said this week that he’s open to making a move if it’s the right one, but also because Riley has long admired both players and, most importantly, because neither has a contract that extends beyond the key summer of 2021.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article237633554.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article237633554.html)

[spurspl]

lma loonie and a pick for winslow nunn(herro) and olynyk(or meyers) would be great too
then ddr forbes to magic for gordon and bamba

murray/nunn(herro)/winslow/gordon/bamba

BTW whos better nunn or herro?

[Chinook]

Shit package on top of shit package.

[DPG21920]

Shit package on top of shit package.

Well, DeRozan/Jakob for Kawhi/Danny was too so we are used to it.

[Chinook]

Well, DeRozan/Jakob for Kawhi/Danny was too so we are used to it.

Nah, these are easily worse. I'd rather have even just that Raptors pick over anything people have been proposing.

[DPG21920]

Nah, these are easily worse. I'd rather have even just that Raptors pick over anything people have been proposing.

Let’s agree to disagree. Trading DeRozan for Gordon at a minimum could net that type of pick if Gordon didn’t work out and needed to be moved.

[Chinook]

Let’s agree to disagree. Trading DeRozan for Gordon at a minimum could net that type of pick if Gordon didn’t work out and needed to be moved.

Eh, I don't think Gordon really has much value at all. I'd much rather the Spurs get another tool or trade piece than a player who is worse than DeRozan and is too old to expect to make a big leap. Rebuild or go (more) all-in. Don't give up legit future value in the hopes the young inconsistent guards can carry you to a title.

[DPG21920]

Eh, I don't think Gordon really has much value at all. I'd much rather the Spurs get another tool or trade piece than a player who is worse than DeRozan and is too old to expect to make a big leap. Rebuild or go (more) all-in. Don't give up legit future value in the hopes the young inconsistent guards can carry you to a title.

I don’t love Gordon but I think he does help redbuild but with some potential. He’s still young enough.

[lmbebo]

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-spurs-bear-monitoring-heat-001824347.html

[Chinook]

I don’t love Gordon but I think he does help redbuild but with some potential. He’s still young enough.

I think a single first-rounder helps more than Gordon. He's not a horrible player, but he's not good enough to be the focal point on offense and his lack of a shot makes it hard to see the Spurs having a better SL with him instead of DeRozan. AG is only really playable as a four, and the Spurs already have players who would play PF more than any other position. It pretty much mandates playing a lot of Mills/Forbes/Beli

[DPG21920]

I think a single first-rounder helps more than Gordon. He's not a horrible player, but he's not good enough to be the focal point on offense and his lack of a shot makes it hard to see the Spurs having a better SL with him instead of DeRozan. AG is only really playable as a four, and the Spurs already have players who would play PF more than any other position. It pretty much mandates playing a lot of Mills/Forbes/Beli

In my world, you move LMA, DeRozan and Rudy...I’d be ok taking a flier on someone young like Gordon with all the others gone is what I mean. I would think that Gordon also might help win now, but I also think he fits blowing it up personally.

[Chinook]

In my world, you move LMA, DeRozan and Rudy...I’d be ok taking a flier on someone young like Gordon with all the others gone is what I mean. I would think that Gordon also might help win now, but I also think he fits blowing it up personally.

You have Gordon being the main value in a DeRozan trade. That's not a flier at that point. It's deciding to take him rather than a more amorphous asset. I don't think you do that when you're blowing it up. If he is good, he's helping you win too many games. If he's not he's definitely not helping more than a future pick would. I definitely don't think you can call trading DeRozan, LMA and Gay a path towards winning now. At best, they're like the 2017-2018 Spurs but with an All-NBA Aldridge or anyone like him providing the baseline offense needed to make a defense-first team work.

[DPG21920]

You have Gordon being the main value in a DeRozan trade. That's not a flier at that point. It's deciding to take him rather than a more amorphous asset. I don't think you do that when you're blowing it up. If he is good, he's helping you win too many games. If he's not he's definitely not helping more than a future pick would. I definitely don't think you can call trading DeRozan, LMA and Gay a path towards winning now. At best, they're like the 2017-2018 Spurs but with an All-NBA Aldridge or anyone like him providing the baseline offense needed to make a defense-first team work.

Sorry for the confusion - I am saying that if you only move DeRozan for Gordon, I think you can try to win now and hope he fits better than DeRozan.

But I can also see where you trade DeRozan for Gordon, but then trade LMA/Rudy and build around picks plus Gordon/Murray/White for a year or two to see what you have.

I think that if you blow it up, getting someone like Gordon can still make sense to see how he looks and he’s still young enough.

[Russo21]

Do the Wizz still want to move Beal? Big contract but the dude Is balling and can knock down the triple unlike our stars. Wish we traded Kawhi for him when the wizards had their own fire sale, then that dispshit wouldn't have another championship also. Pricey but a baller. Wouldn't care which of our guys we give up to get him.

[CGD]

If they tear it down then tear it down and get picks or young, cost controlled pieces. Not interested in a move for a Gallo or Hayward just to marginally improve this year. Just rip the bandaid off.

[DPG21920]

Do the Wizz still want to move Beal? Big contract but the dude Is balling and can knock down the triple unlike our stars. Wish we traded Kawhi for him when the wizards had their own fire sale, then that dispshit wouldn't have another championship also. Pricey but a baller. Wouldn't care which of our guys we give up to get him.

The exact opposite. They have been crystal clear they have no desire or intention to trade Beal and Beal said he’s staying.

[CGD]

I think a single first-rounder helps more than Gordon. He's not a horrible player, but he's not good enough to be the focal point on offense and his lack of a shot makes it hard to see the Spurs having a better SL with him instead of DeRozan. AG is only really playable as a four, and the Spurs already have players who would play PF more than any other position. It pretty much mandates playing a lot of Mills/Forbes/Beli

I agree with this analysis. I’d prefer a package around Fournier + 1st and perhaps the Bamba reclamation project. Move on from (or flip) Fournier down the line.

[Biggems]

BOS: Aldridge, DeRozan, Forbes, SAS 2nd
SAS: Hayward, Smart, Kanter, Memphis pick

Rest Hayward for the remainder of the year and then we’d have 2 top ten picks. Bounce back in 2020 with a lineup of:

Murray. Mills
White. Walker
Avdija. Carroll
Hayward. Gay
Wiseman. Poeltl

With a max slot available for 2021

I want Wiseman.

[Biggems]

Do whatever we can to get C James Wiseman and PF Vernon Carey Jr. Next year in the draft to play next to Murray and White. Trade the rest of the roster if need be. I would also like to get SF Jordan Nwora and GF Malcolm Cazalon.

[Prime BEEF]

Do whatever we can to get C James Wiseman and PF Vernon Carey Jr. Next year in the draft to play next to Murray and White. Trade the rest of the roster if need be. I would also like to get SF Jordan Nwora and GF Malcolm Cazalon.
Nwora is a terrific player. Will be one of the steals in this years draft

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think a single first-rounder helps more than Gordon. He's not a horrible player, but he's not good enough to be the focal point on offense and his lack of a shot makes it hard to see the Spurs having a better SL with him instead of DeRozan. AG is only really playable as a four, and the Spurs already have players who would play PF more than any other position. It pretty much mandates playing a lot of Mills/Forbes/Beli

Chinook, what kind of picks do you think the Spurs could get for DDR or LMA? Think anyone's giving something better than a lottery protected that turns into 2nd rounders after some time or something like that?

[SPURSCHAMP]

lma loonie and a pick for winslow nunn(herro) and olynyk(or meyers) would be great too
then ddr forbes to magic for gordon and bamba

murray/nunn(herro)/winslow/gordon/bamba

BTW whos better nunn or herro?
i've watched every heat game this season, nunn is a beast and reminds me of rookie Donovan mitchell, he's a legit scorer from anywhere on the court and is a feisty defender, would love to have him.

also :lol at anyone thinking we have a shot at drummond, dude is still young, an iron man, and one of the best rebounders in NBA history. we couldn't trade our entire team for him let alone getting them to throw in kennard..

[SPURSCHAMP]

Duncan Robinson is another player on the heat that is a super microwave. But the heat have no reason to trade w us, they’re already one of the best teams in the east and have an incredibly deep rotation. The way they move the ball reminds me of ‘14 spurs

[spurspl]

i've watched every heat game this season, nunn is a beast and reminds me of rookie Donovan mitchell, he's a legit scorer from anywhere on the court and is a feisty defender, would love to have him.

also :lol at anyone thinking we have a shot at drummond, dude is still young, an iron man, and one of the best rebounders in NBA history. we couldn't trade our entire team for him let alone getting them to throw in kennard..

ok so theres no way we get nunn, but herro is great too. Ive watched some highlights of him and must admit that he could be an all star in future. Good balling, not afraid of 3pt shooting, good positioning. And imo these trades are win win for every teams.

[My Fault]

No one would make that trade. Ever.

It cracks me up that the most irrationally pessimistic posters here (who claim everyone else is naive) are also the most irrationally optimistic about ridiculous trades that the Spurs might make in some fantasy world.

lol LMA was an All Star LAST year and Turner despite being in the East has yet to make an All Star team. It’s not “irrationally optimistic” as LMA is still a solid player on a short deal. LMA isn’t a bad player, this is a bad team overall that has zero perimeter defense

[Biggems]

Nwora is a terrific player. Will be one of the steals in this years draft

A starting front court of Wiseman, Carey Jr., and Nwora is a huge pipe dream.........but maybe with a few sound trades that include first round picks, even if it means we take other teams' garbage for the year, as well as lose at a record pace, it can possibly be done.

I am thinking it means we have to trade DD, LMA, Walker, Forbes, Metu, and possibly Beli. We are definitely stuck with Mills and Gay. I refuse to trade White and Murray. I doubt we get anyone to take Carroll, Poetl, or Lyles.

If we could make all these transactions and keep Forbes, White, and Murray, I would be jacked.

Murray, White
Forbes, 2nd round G/F
Nwora,
Carey Jr., Gay
Wiseman, Poetl

[Prime BEEF]

Unfortunately I’m not convinced yet that the FO even recognizes that they need to make trades yet and blow this up. They are so clueless.

[spurspl]

Unfortunately I’m not convinced yet that the FO even recognizes that they need to make trades yet and blow this up. They are so clueless.
maybe FO still thinks (like some ppl here before season) that spurs are contenders or (like majority of ppl here) that spurs can make PO XD

[TimDunkem]

LMA for Gordon Hayward. We have too many guards and need a SF. Boston desperately needs a big man after losing Horford. Then trade with the Knicks to get Randle. The President is already pissed about their start and that team is about to have a fire sale of their own :lol

NY won't trade with the Spurs. Hello? The Morris fiasco started because of bad blood between the franchises.

[keithington1]

Aldridge, Forbes to Portland for Whiteside and a top 10 protected 1st.

[Russ]

lol LMA was an All Star LAST year and Turner despite being in the East has yet to make an All Star team. It’s not “irrationally optimistic” as LMA is still a solid player on a short deal. LMA isn’t a bad player, this is a bad team overall that has zero perimeter defense

Two teams that are trying to build with youth usually don't trade with each other.

LMA is a very good player but why would a rebuilding Indiana want him at the expense of a young asset?

[Dejounte]

Keepers:
Dejounte
White
Samanic
Keldon
Poetl

Contract friendly Role players who could be useful long term, no reason to trade these guys:
Carroll
Gay
Lyles

Should be traded, but unlikely:
DeMar
Aldridge

People doubt we will trade these guys, but i think we will:
Mills
Forbes
Beli

Trade chips:
Lonnie - we just dont have room for this guy unless we trade off DeMar
Metu - same case but instead of DeMar, its Aldridge

Trade targets
-another small forward like Carroll
-a veteran power forward, more mobile than Aldridge. Someone who will actually go and step out to guard long 2s from switches. This has been the number one killer for us defensively. Aldridge is too slow. I think thats why we drafted Samanic, but hes not ready.

1. Bam Abedayo
2. Jonathan Isaac
3. Andre Drummond
4 Steven Adams
5. Nikola Vucevik
6 PJ Tucker
7 Wendell Carter JR
8 Al Horford
9 Montrezl Harrell
10 Dario Saric
11 Mason Plumlee

[CGD]

Out: DDR, LMA, and some small longterm $$ like Carroll/Lyles

In: Hayward, Gordon, Bamba, a Boston (late) 1st, and a 3D bench prospect like Semi Ojeli

Realistic based on the rumors. I also think BOS would have to add something since Hayward will likely leave SAS Next summer while BOS gets the option to opt-in to LMA, hence the other pieces from them above.

Spurs can also try to re-flip Hayward, or there can be a scenario where it’s a three way deal if ORL prefers Hayward to DDR. If I’m spurs I’d rather have Hayward as an asset than DDR, unless they sniff out that a team like DET or CHI are talking themselves into DDR.

[sasaint]

NY won't trade with the Spurs. Hello? The Morris fiasco started because of bad blood between the franchises.

I think Ainge would be happy to fleece the Spurs in a trade. Some poster just linked an article in the Boston media about the possibility of the Celts trading for LMA.

[spurspl]

Out: DDR, LMA, and some small longterm $$ like Carroll/Lyles

In: Hayward, Gordon, Bamba, a Boston (late) 1st, and a 3D bench prospect like Semi Ojeli

Realistic based on the rumors. I also think BOS would have to add something since Hayward will likely leave SAS Next summer while BOS gets the option to opt-in to LMA, hence the other pieces from them above.

Spurs can also try to re-flip Hayward, or there can be a scenario where it’s a three way deal if ORL prefers Hayward to DDR. If I’m spurs I’d rather have Hayward as an asset than DDR, unless they sniff out that a team like DET or CHI are talking themselves into DDR.

shitty trade, hayward (exclude hes old and injury prone) would probably leave us and we will have nothing except more money for a FA but noone comes here. If we trade with BOS brown must be in that deal.

[spurspl]

Keepers:
Dejounte
White
Samanic
Keldon
Poetl

Contract friendly Role players who could be useful long term, no reason to trade these guys:
Carroll
Gay
Lyles

Should be traded, but unlikely:
DeMar
Aldridge

People doubt we will trade these guys, but i think we will:
Mills
Forbes
Beli

Trade chips:
Lonnie - we just dont have room for this guy unless we trade off DeMar
Metu - same case but instead of DeMar, its Aldridge

Trade targets
-another small forward like Carroll
-a veteran power forward, more mobile than Aldridge. Someone who will actually go and step out to guard long 2s from switches. This has been the number one killer for us defensively. Aldridge is too slow. I think thats why we drafted Samanic, but hes not ready.

1. Bam Abedayo
2. Jonathan Isaac
3. Andre Drummond
4 Steven Adams
5. Nikola Vucevik
6 PJ Tucker
7 Wendell Carter JR
8 Al Horford
9 Montrezl Harrell
10 Dario Saric
11 Mason Plumlee
picking 3,4,5,6,8,9,11 wont change anything in a short and long term

[CGD]

shitty trade, hayward (exclude hes old and injury prone) would probably leave us and we will have nothing except more money for a FA but noone comes here. If we trade with BOS brown must be in that deal.

Lazy take. LMA will also leave so it’s about getting another flippable asset and the Boston pick. Operative word is “realistic”: brown has poison pill provision making trade unrealistic.

[mo7888]

What about LMA to the Raptors for OG Anunoby plus Marc Gasol to make salaries match? OG would be a really nice fit with the Spurs. The Raps with Lowery LMA and Pascal could really make some noise out east. Makes sense for both teams in my opinion.

I'd love this..

[mo7888]

LMA to Pacers for Myles Turner and filler

I love this one too..

[BackHome]

Just focus on tanking this year and also next year. No trade they do will make this team competitive this year or next.

[mo7888]

I don't think we should trade DDR and LMA (unless somebody offers something ridiculous), I think we should trade one or the other. Move LMA for someone like Turner and spacing is better for DDR to operate or move DDR for someone who can defend the 3 and make 3's and the spacing is better overall. I'd also like to see belli or Forbes moved to give lonnie minutes. I'd rather live with his mistakes and upside than what those other two offer.

[BackHome]

If the Celtics were smart they would get LMA no way they beating the Flakers without a good big. I would be cool with Hayward and either there 2020 first or 2021 first.

[Dverde]

DDR for Reggie Jackson and Snell? Reunites DDR with his old coach. Spurs get a forward who can defend. Jackson’s deal is expiring.

[r0drig0lac]

DDR for Reggie Jackson and Snell? Reunites DDR with his old coach. Spurs get a forward who can defend. Jackson’s deal is expiring.

Reggie + Snell + Sekou

[spurs10]

I'm confident that the FO of the most winning team in all team sports for the last two decades is not "clueless" and is looking at every option possible. Our plans got sabotaged and it ain't easy to rebound. You throw in the Morris screw-over where we lost Bertans and it's not been great for us.
:flag:

[Prime BEEF]

I'm confident that the FO of the most winning team in all team sports for the last two decades is not "clueless" and is looking at every option possible. Our plans got sabotaged and it ain't easy to rebound. You throw in the Morris screw-over where we lost Bertans and it's not been great for us.
:flag:

you are very optimistic. I envy you

[Big P]

I'm confident that the FO of the most winning team in all team sports for the last two decades is not "clueless" and is looking at every option possible. Our plans got sabotaged and it ain't easy to rebound. You throw in the Morris screw-over where we lost Bertans and it's not been great for us.
:flag:

Right...so it's everyone else's fault..patfo have not made any mistakes?

[Russ]

you are very optimistic. I envy you

You're the one to be envied, sir.

To wallow in pessimism is the ultimate luxury! :)

[Prime BEEF]

You're the one to be envied, sir.

To wallow in pessimism is the ultimate luxury! :)

haha. well done. a life of luxury it is

[Russ]

haha. well done. a life of luxury it is

:toast

[Biggems]

Just focus on tanking this year and also next year. No trade they do will make this team competitive this year or next.

But you can get draft assets, while also clearing minutes for the youngins.

[Bellboy]

One mans optimism is another mans delusion.

[TD 21]

https://i.imgur.com/HZYq2iZ.png


cp3/white
murray/walker/forbes
diallo/carroll
la/gallo/luka
adams/noel

spurs improve across the board:
-they get the point god for a floor general instead of dumbar derozan
-cp3, diallo, adams, noel help the team out defensively
-gallo would be scoring punch off the bench

spurs still wouldn't be favorites but would be MUCH improved. if one of lebron/AD and one of kawhi/PG get injured then they're making to the finals and could handle any team from the east tbh.

Too many moving parts to be realistic and too old school a front court to make sense (Aldridge is a center and Gallinari is a power forward), but I'm not opposed to Paul. I'd first try to exhaust the Magic option to try to pry Gordon, though.

Since we know the preference is to attempt to win while developing, Paul would be the best immediate fit. He's the kind of lead by example/ultra competitor type they're looking for (I think he'd be good for the young guards), still easily better than DeRozan, is at the point where he's willing/needs to play off the ball some and is so stout that he can actually credibly defend good wings on occasion.

DeRozan, Forbes, Belinelli for Paul and Ferguson . . .

Starters: Aldridge, Ferguson, Poeltl, Murray, Paul

Bench: Gay, White, Mills, Carroll, Lyles, Walker, Metu

[apalisoc_9]

Too many moving parts to be realistic and too old school a front court to make sense (Aldridge is a center and Gallinari is a power forward), but I'm not opposed to Paul. I'd first try to exhaust the Magic option to try to pry Gordon, though.

Since we know the preference is to attempt to win while developing, Paul would be the best immediate fit. He's the kind of lead by example/ultra competitor type they're looking for (I think he'd be good for the young guards), still easily better than DeRozan, is at the point where he's willing/needs to play off the ball some and is so stout that he can actually credibly defend good wings on occasion.

DeRozan, Forbes, Belinelli for Paul and Ferguson . . .

Starters: Aldridge, Ferguson, Poeltl, Murray, Paul

Bench: Gay, White, Mills, Carroll, Lyles, Walker, Metu

the thunder are competitive this year.

Paul is actually the only other player outside of Lebron and maybe Leonard who can change organizations very quickly.

[spurs10]

Right...so it's everyone else's fault..patfo have not made any mistakes? Hey if you want to blame everything wrong with the team on the PATFO please acknowledge they are the same PATFO that has the most winning team of any soccer, baseball, football, or basketball for two decades. Are you unaware of this? Yes I guess they could be blamed for putting too many eggs in the basket of Kawhi Leonard. Yes they shouldn't have taken the word of Morris.

[TD 21]

the thunder are competitive this year.

Paul is actually the only other player outside of Lebron and maybe Leonard who can change organizations very quickly.

Still, considering the savings they'd reap from this, I can't see them turning it down. Maybe they scoff at Ferguson's inclusion, but that can be negotiated.

They'll also likely want to accommodate Paul if they can. Obviously, the Spurs aren't a contender, but they are a franchise trying to win (however misguided that may be). The Thunder will more than likely be in sell off mode no matter where they are in the standings and he'll only play good soldier for so long.

[spurs10]

You're the one to be envied, sir.

To wallow in pessimism is the ultimate luxury! :) Yes

[raybies]

Paul actually makes sense to me. Wouldn’t of said that before the year.... no one is gonna sign here in free agency so the money doesn’t matter much long term. He’s the exact kind of leader/ two way player this team needs. DeRozan leaving would be addition by subtraction. I like

[Big P]

Hey if you want to blame everything wrong with the team on the PATFO please acknowledge they are the same PATFO that has the most winning team of any soccer, baseball, football, or basketball for two decades. Are you unaware of this? Yes I guess they could be blamed for putting too many eggs in the basket of Kawhi Leonard. Yes they shouldn't have taken the word of Morris.

I never said they weren't the most winning franchise, but tell me what has patfo done without anyone named TD, DRob, Manu, TP or KL? Bad trades, giving up players for nothing, putting draft picks in the g league to squander good years away...tell me why not one single mid to high level FA (besides LA who wanted to be near his kid) has not signed with the team even though pop is named the best coach when nba players are polled..it's easy to blame everyone else, but at some point you have to look at yourself in the mirror.

[cd021]

Reggie + Snell + Sekou
Reggie+Sekou+Galloway for DDR, Beli and Metu.

would have to be the framework of the deal. Reggie and Galloway can be waived after being acquired because they are on expiring deals. Still seems a little light in the returns for DeRozan but getting Sekou- a player that the Spurs wanted is a plus.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd be cool with trading Forbes and Belinelli for a bag of chips. Now rumors are out there Pop wants to trade Lonnie :lmao Why doesn't that surprise me one bit?

[Prime BEEF]

LMA to ATL for Hunter/Crabb (expiring $19M)/1st Rd pick (probably the nets one)

Murray/DDR/Forbes to Detroit for Drummond/Kennard/1st Rd pick

White/Mills
Kennard/Lonnie
Hunter/DeMarre
Gay/Lyles
Drummond/Jacob

and 3 1st round picks

[DPG21920]

Lol people wanting CP3 :lol. Spurs actually beat OKC and GS and CP can’t beat the Spurs or GS :lol

[Kurgan]

I'd be cool with trading Forbes and Belinelli for a bag of chips. Now rumors are out there Pop wants to trade Lonnie :lmao Why doesn't that surprise me one bit?

Is this for real? First I'm hearing about this. Would confirm that Pop really has lost it and only cares about his playoff streak instead of the future of the team.

[gambit1990]

Lol people wanting CP3 :lol. Spurs actually beat OKC and GS and CP can’t beat the Spurs or GS :lol
you also thought moving on from demar last season was laughable. took you until this season to catch on.

cp3 is still playing at a high level.

the thunder are playing much more competitive than the spurs. they're like they've lost like, seven games by 5 points or less. almost winning doesn't amount to anything but they've lost to the jazz, rockets, bucks, clippers, lakers (twice) by just 3.5 points. much better than the spurs would fare.

[DPG21920]

you also thought moving on from demar last year laughable.

cp3 is still playing at a high level.

the thunder are playing much more competitive than the spurs. they're like they've lost like, seven games by 5 points or less. almost winning doesn't amount to anything but they've lost to the jazz, rockets, bucks, clippers, lakers (twice) by just 3.5 points. much better than the spurs would fare.

They lost to the Spurs bruh :lol and getting worked by a Curry/Klay-less Warriors. SA was a playoff team last year no? Went to game 7 no? I was fine trading DeRozan if someone blew you away with an offer; but not just salary dumping him.

[gambit1990]

They lost to the Spurs bruh :lol and getting worked by a Curry/Klay-less Warriors. SA was a playoff team last year no? Went to game 7 no? I was fine trading DeRozan if someone blew you away with an offer; but not just salary dumping him.
okc has beaten the warriors twice this season. the first time by 28.

ddr is taking the spurs nowhere. moving him last season and missing the POs would've been better.

[DPG21920]

okc has beaten the warriors twice this season. the first time by 28.

ddr is taking the spurs nowhere. moving him last season and missing the POs would've been better.

Maybe, but being a playoff team is what 99% of the league strives for..CP3 taking OKC no where as well and somehow lost to the awful Spurs

[JeffDuncan]

Lol people wanting CP3 :lol. ...

People who think they want Chris Paul are just droolers, with no clue.

2019-20: $38,506,482
2020-21: $41,358,814
2021-22: $44,211,146

[DPG21920]

People who think they want Chris Paul are just droolers, with no clue.

2019-20: $38,506,482
2020-21: $41,358,814
2021-22: $44,211,146

Yuck

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Is there any good 3 and D players the spurs can trade derozan for?

[heyheymymy]

Rather keep what we have than get CP3.

No thanks.

[gambit1990]

cp3 is...
-a better floor general than demar
-better in the clutch
-can shoot the 3
-way better mentor to murray and white
-mentally stable
-has shown up and played big in the conference finals

his contract is huge but people wouldn't sign with the spurs when they were winning, so why would players be more motivated with the spurs in limbo? :lol

spurs wouldn't tank unless pop stepped down. so if they're gonna try to be good then i'd trade demar, beli, poeltl, keldon, and a 1st for cp3, noel, and diallo.

[DPG21920]

cp3 is...
-a better floor general than demar
-better in the clutch
-can shoot the 3
-way better mentor to murray and white
-mentally stable
-has shown up and played big in the conference finals

his contract is huge but people wouldn't sign with the spurs when they were winning, so why would players be more motivated with the spurs in limbo? :lol

spurs wouldn't tank unless pop stepped down. so if they're gonna try to be good then i'd trade demar, beli, poeltl, keldon, and a 1st for cp3, noel, and diallo.

Is making 40M and can’t take okc further than an awful Spurs

[gambit1990]

cp3 leading his team to w tonight. down by 10 with 3 minutes left and the thunder went on a 13-0 run to end the game.

[Dhbsr555]

Marco belli and patty for Luka .. lol you did say dream package

[ElNono]

https://content.delta.com/content/www/en_US/shop/delta-vacations/destinations/caribbean-vacations.damAsset.html/content/dam/delta-www/dlv/images/landing-pages/31512_more_caribbean.jpg

That's the only dream package LMA cares about, tbh...

[TheCerebral1]

cp3 is...
-a better floor general than demar
-better in the clutch
-can shoot the 3
-way better mentor to murray and white
-mentally stable
-has shown up and played big in the conference finals

his contract is huge but people wouldn't sign with the spurs when they were winning, so why would players be more motivated with the spurs in limbo? :lol

spurs wouldn't tank unless pop stepped down. so if they're gonna try to be good then i'd trade demar, beli, poeltl, keldon, and a 1st for cp3, noel, and diallo.

Older, washed up, and takes away minutes from Murray. Anyone who wants a 34 year old Chris Paul are as delusional as DeRozan fans. His numbers are hollow. He is also one of the most OVERRATED players of his lifetime. Yes, he's a good PG and possibly a hall of fame category player. I mean, in the sense that he'll help you get to the playoffs and disappear.

[spurspl]

There are still some rumors bout miami intrested in ddr and/or lma. I spend a while in trade machine and imo thats pretty realistic win win trade

lma, ddr, loonie, keldon, 2020 1st pick and 2019 2nd pick for johnson, meyers, winslow, herro and nunn

spurs gets two great guards who can defend and shoot 3s, finally a solid sf who can play as a pf and decent center.
miami gets two past all star players but they still have some value and experience in PO. Butler needs this kind of players if they think bout a serious run + he wont be younger so for him is now or never. And ofc two young guys and two picks for the future as a backup if sth go wrong and they will need to rebuild a little.

[Leetonidas]

There are still some rumors bout miami intrested in ddr and/or lma. I spend a while in trade machine and imo thats pretty realistic win win trade

lma, ddr, loonie, keldon, 2020 1st pick and 2019 2nd pick for johnson, meyers, winslow, herro and nunn

spurs gets two great guards who can defend and shoot 3s, finally a solid sf who can play as a pf and decent center.
miami gets two past all star players but they still have some value and experience in PO. Butler needs this kind of players if they think bout a serious run + he wont be younger so for him is now or never. And ofc two young guys and two picks for the future as a backup if sth go wrong and they will need to rebuild a little.

I guarantee you Riley is not letting go of Nunn or Herro in a trade. they already look like starters in this league and having guys like that on rookie deals is invaluable imo

[Clipper Nation]

cp3 is...
6-10 with better talent around him than the Spurs have.

[spurspl]

I guarantee you Riley is not letting go of Nunn or Herro in a trade. they already look like starters in this league and having guys like that on rookie deals is invaluable imo

maybe at least one of them but who knows. If they decline i cant see another way than trading them for as high as possible picks and tank for youngies in upcoming draft.

[Leetonidas]

maybe at least one of them but who knows. If they decline i cant see another way than trading them for as high as possible picks and tank for youngies in upcoming draft.

it would have to be some combo of Dragic / Johnson / Winslow / a pick imo , which isnt really that tempting of an offer. Hopefully Orlando is still thirsting for a "scorer" in a couple weeks so we can get Fournier and Gordon back which would be a much better return

[gambit1990]

6-10 with better talent around him than the Spurs have.
the thunder have lost seven games by 5 points or less. almost winning doesn't amount to anything but they've lost to the jazz, rockets, bucks, clippers, lakers (twice) by just 3.5 points. much better than the spurs would fare.

tbh, if a few possessions had gone differently for just a couple of those games then the thunder would be sitting at the 7th seed.

and the thunder deserve more slack for being more of a new team than the spurs.

[spurspl]

it would have to be some combo of Dragic / Johnson / Winslow / a pick imo , which isnt really that tempting of an offer. Hopefully Orlando is still thirsting for a "scorer" in a couple weeks so we can get Fournier and Gordon back which would be a much better return

one of them(nunn or herro) must be included if we gonna trade with miami, any other offer makes no sense for spurs.

i like gordon and fournier but if spurs get them they also should trade another players to get as much picks as they can.

[Prime BEEF]

one of them(nunn or herro) must be included if we gonna trade with miami, any other offer makes no sense for spurs.

i like gordon and fournier but if spurs get them they also should trade another players to get as much picks as they can.

yup. Not a fan of what Miami has to offer. Would rather work with Orlando, Detroit and Atlanta.

Orl: could get Ross/Gordon/Picks
Atl: could get Hunter/Reddish/Picks
Det: could get Kennard/Drummond/Picks

[TD 21]

I don't buy that the Heat would have interest in DeRozan. Aldridge, maybe. But considering they're hard capped and the Spurs would need a center back, it would either have to be Winslow and Olynyk or Winslow, Leonard and Jones Jr (Spurs would have to pull in a third team with the cap space to absorb Jones Jr. and Metu).

If Aldridge wants out or the Spurs can't get Gordon for DeRozan and have to settle for Bamba, I'd probably do it because Winslow is likely the best value they can get. He'd be a poor fit with Murray and White because of the limited shooting/scoring ability, but this team needs to be in asset accumulation mode.

Still, the best realistic trade is DeRozan (opting in or extending), Forbes and Carroll for Gordon and Fournier . . .

Starters: Gay, Gordon, Aldridge, Fournier, Murray/White

Bench: White/Murray, Mills, Poeltl, Lyles, Belinelli/Walker

Or

Starters: Gordon, Fournier, Aldridge, White, Murray

Bench: Gay, Mills, Poeltl, Belinelli, Walker

Either way, Gordon would have to play some nominal SF in order for him and Gay to get the minutes they deserve.

[spurspl]

yup. Not a fan of what Miami has to offer. Would rather work with Orlando, Detroit and Atlanta.

Orl: could get Ross/Gordon/Picks
Atl: could get Hunter/Reddish/Picks
Det: could get Kennard/Drummond/Picks

i like these trades. One of them just changed my dream scenario. DDR + youngies to det for drummond and kennard. Than somehow get Drussel from gsw for LMA +picks. GSW needs a big men when splash bros come back and now they tank so our 1st pick would be great for them.
DRussel and drummond would be a deadly duo. Surround them by white, kennard and gay(or some better pf that we could get for murray). Looks pretty dope.

[Prime BEEF]

I don't buy that the Heat would have interest in DeRozan. Aldridge, maybe. But considering they're hard capped and the Spurs would need a center back, it would either have to be Winslow and Olynyk or Winslow, Leonard and Jones Jr (Spurs would have to pull in a third team with the cap space to absorb Jones Jr. and Metu).

If Aldridge wants out or the Spurs can't get Gordon for DeRozan and have to settle for Bamba, I'd probably do it because Winslow is likely the best value they can get. He'd be a poor fit with Murray and White because of the limited shooting/scoring ability, but this team needs to be in asset accumulation mode.

Still, the best realistic trade is DeRozan (opting in or extending), Forbes and Carroll for Gordon and Fournier . . .

Starters: Gay, Gordon, Aldridge, Fournier, Murray/White

Bench: White/Murray, Mills, Poeltl, Lyles, Belinelli/Walker

Or

Starters: Gordon, Fournier, Aldridge, White, Murray

Bench: Gay, Mills, Poeltl, Belinelli, Walker

Either way, Gordon would have to play some nominal SF in order for him and Gay to get the minutes they deserve.

I’d rather have Ross than Fournier. He’s better on defense but can also hit 3s and score (although not as well as Fournier)

[Clipper Nation]

the thunder have lost seven games by 5 points or less. almost winning doesn't amount to anything but they've lost to the jazz, rockets, bucks, clippers, lakers (twice) by just 3.5 points. much better than the spurs would fare.

tbh, if a few possessions had gone differently for just a couple of those games then the thunder would be sitting at the 7th seed.

and the thunder deserve more slack for being more of a new team than the spurs.
Shocking that a team with CP0 on it struggles to win games in the clutch.

[Prime BEEF]

i like these trades. One of them just changed my dream scenario. DDR + youngies to det for drummond and kennard. Than somehow get Drussel from gsw for LMA +picks. GSW needs a big men when splash bros come back and now they tank so our 1st pick would be great for them.
DRussel and drummond would be a deadly duo. Surround them by white, kennard and gay(or some better pf that we could get for murray). Looks pretty dope.

would absolutely love to get Drummond. He’s young, athletic, rim protector, great rebounder. He would cover up a lot of the spurs defensive liabilities.

Would take a little extra to get him from Detroit but it’s doable.

Murray/Forbes/DDR for Kennard/Drummond. I think pistons would do that trade...if offered

[TD 21]

I’d rather have Ross than Fournier. He’s better on defense but can also hit 3s and score (although not as well as Fournier)

They're both bad defenders with similar body types, but Fournier is a better creator/play maker and signed for 2 less seasons.

[ace3g]

Aldridge for Gordon Hayward and DeRozan for Justise Winslow.

[paperboy77]

The next 5 First rounders, Derozan, LMA, Murray and pretty much anyone the Mavs want for Luka.

First I thought that was stupid but in all actuality..... none of those Spurs provide more Hope than Luka. I’m down!

[Big P]

I read that one Western conference GM said besides Orlando, Sacramento might be interested in DD...so I'll put this out there

Spurs trade DD, Forbes and Metu for Bogdanovic, Ariza and Bjelica..the Spurs can throw in a second round pick if need be....or if the Spurs wanted PG help, Cory Joseph could replace Ariza, but he does have 2 years left on his contract where as Ariza has 1 left.

[Bellboy]

Orlando Magic

Derozan
Bellinelli
Metu
SA 2020 2nd round

Portland Trailblazers

Aldridge
SA 2021 2nd round


Spurs
Gordon
Fournier
Bamba
Whiteside
Orlando 2020 1st round
Portland 2020 1st round

Kill the message not the messenger

[Bellboy]

Orlando Magic

Derozan
Bellinelli
Metu
SA 2020 2nd round

Portland Trailblazers

Aldridge
SA 2021 2nd round


Spurs
Gordon
Fournier
Bamba
Whiteside
Orlando 2020 1st round
Portland 2020 1st round

Kill the message not the messenger

[Ditty]

Derozan to Raptors for OG and Gasol.

Aldridge to Portland for Bazemore, Tolliver and 1st round pick.

Three expiring contracts or possibly buy out Gasol, Bazemore and Tolliver. Two young player for two top 30 players in the league. Let the rebuild begin.

[Prime BEEF]

If trading to Portland, deal needs to include whiteside and a 1st rd pick. Other teams have more to offer then Portland but pop is crazy so maybe who knows

aldridge/Forbes/Marco for whiteside/Hood/1st rd pick

[dbreiden83080]

We really have nothing of value right now..

LA is old and washed up..
DD stock is rock bottom these days.
Murray coming off an injury and has played like shit all season..
White who wants him?

[lmbebo]

Wonder if Bulls are an option? Some drama there, esp with Levine. Would be nice to swap out Levine for DDR.

[Prime BEEF]

Wonder if Bulls are an option? Some drama there, esp with Levine. Would be nice to swap out Levine for DDR.
Possibly.

DDR/Mills/Forbes/1st Rd Pick for LaVine/OPJ

or

DDR//LMA/Walker for LaVine/OPJ/Carter Jr/1st Rd Pick

i kind of like that 2nd option trade a lot. Have a nice young core and 2 lottery picks this year

[ZeusWillJudge]

"What are your realistic Dream Packages if we have a fire sale? (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282015)"

I've been looking at this thread title, and avoiding it like the plague. But I have to ask OP... do you know what a "fire sale' is? When a business gets damaged by fire, and the owner is facing disaster or bankruptcy, they sell off everything for pennies on the dollar. They get rid of their damaged goods that are still sellable, but get next to nothing in return. I just hope like hell the Spurs don't have a fire sale.

I hope what you're talking about is who/what the Spurs might get in return if they blow it up and trade multiple players. Mostly all I care about is that they don't keep themselves in salary cap hell for years to come, by taking on bad contracts. And I hope they don't take any first round picks that are so heavily protected that they never convey, or they only convey as weak second round picks.

There a bunch of reasonably good young players around that would let the Spurs put together a playoff team that is much more fun to watch, and afford to sign a quality FA or two - if any will agree to come here. It's unlikely that any of the really experienced studs of the league are going to get traded for what the Spurs have. All that's left is looking for diamonds in the rough, and that's a frustrating task.

[mo7888]

"What are your realistic Dream Packages if we have a fire sale? (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282015)"

I've been looking at this thread title, and avoiding it like the plague. But I have to ask OP... do you know what a "fire sale' is? When a business gets damaged by fire, and the owner is facing disaster or bankruptcy, they sell off everything for pennies on the dollar. They get rid of their damaged goods that are still sellable, but get next to nothing in return. I just hope like hell the Spurs don't have a fire sale.

I hope what you're talking about is who/what the Spurs might get in return if they blow it up and trade multiple players. Mostly all I care about is that they don't keep themselves in salary cap hell for years to come, by taking on bad contracts. And I hope they don't take any first round picks that are so heavily protected that they never convey, or they only convey as weak second round picks.

There a bunch of reasonably good young players around that would let the Spurs put together a playoff team that is much more fun to watch, and afford to sign a quality FA or two - if any will agree to come here. It's unlikely that any of the really experienced studs of the league are going to get traded for what the Spurs have. All that's left is looking for diamonds in the rough, and that's a frustrating task.

That's an excellent point on the 'fire sale' definition and the ramifications of it...

[Excessive Egotist]

Aldridge for Gordon Hayward and DeRozan for Justise Winslow.

I like DeRozan and Metu for Winslow & Johnson. Spurs might be able to add value to trade by helping Miami secure Chris Paul too. If I'm Miami, just adding DeRozan might not be attractive enough, but retaining all their top players and adding DeRozan and Paul is something I could fool myself into believing might win the East.

[Excessive Egotist]

If trading to Portland, deal needs to include whiteside and a 1st rd pick. Other teams have more to offer then Portland but pop is crazy so maybe who knows

aldridge/Forbes/Marco for whiteside/Hood/1st rd pick
I wouldn't want Whiteside. Why would Spurs? Ugh. Aldridge to Portland for Bazemore, Little, and a future first in the 20s would be a good deal for San Antonio, particularly if the pick is this year because SA could combine the pick with their lottery pick to move to top of draft, if they wanted.

[Bellboy]

Possibly.

DDR/Mills/Forbes/1st Rd Pick for LaVine/OPJ

or

DDR//LMA/Walker for LaVine/OPJ/Carter Jr/1st Rd Pick

i kind of like that 2nd option trade a lot. Have a nice young core and 2 lottery picks this year



Only the second trade can be done. 1st trade mentioned has cap issues for Chicago

[Dancelot]

If IG baller continues to underwhelm I could see him traded this coming draft ala George hill.

[DMC]

The truth is the Spurs could have 5 1st overall picks in the starting lineup and still not compete in the West. 1st overall doesn't guarantee you anything. High picks don't either. There are proven players in the league that came from overseas or were not high picks that know how to play ball, but with Pop retiring and the next HC likely to try some hybrid version of the beautiful game with players less talented, we're not looking good for the foreseeable future. Spurs fans need to hope that AD goes East, and that the Warriors don't climb from the grave. Then they'll have a shot at some playoff success.

I think LMA and DDR need to go though, they are both known quantities that don't mean much in the post season.

[itzsoweezee]

Addition by subtraction. Just get DeMar off the team.

[Spurs fever]

I doubt anyone is getting trading. The Spurs are more about character and loyalty than talent. They'll probably be content sinking with what they have.

[CGD]

Aren’t Rudy, Lyles, and Carroll also tradable soon? Dec. 15?

[r0drig0lac]

I doubt anyone is getting trading. The Spurs are more about character and loyalty than talent. They'll probably be content sinking with what they have.

sad but true

[gambit1990]

only because houston was listed as being interested in demar:
https://i.imgur.com/O9g5kzK.png

SL: white or murray / gordon / tucker / la / capela

spurs get way better from 3 (gordon, tucker) and defensively (tucker, capela). spurs would probably have to sweeten the deal even more though.

[Prime BEEF]

My new dream scenario....

Murray/DDR/Walker for Drummond/Kennard/1st Rd Pick
&
LMA/Gay/Mills for LaVine/OPJ/Carter Jr

Then draft: Cole Anthony & Jordan Nwora

Spurs Lineup:
Anthony/White
LaVine/Kennard/Forbes
OPJ/Nwora
Carter/Carrol/Lyles
Drummond/Jacob

solid on D, solid on scoring, young, 3pt shooting

[Bellboy]

only because houston was listed as being interested in demar:
https://i.imgur.com/O9g5kzK.png

SL: white or murray / gordon / tucker / la / capela

spurs get way better from 3 (gordon, tucker) and defensively (tucker, capela). spurs would probably have to sweeten the deal even more though.

[TD 21]

Here's a better Paul one . . .

To Pistons: DeRozan, Carroll (eligible December 15th), Forbes
To Thunder: Jackson, Snell, Galloway, Pistons lottery protected 1st
To Spurs: Paul, Ferguson, Mykhailiuk

Gay/Lyles
Ferguson/Belinelli or Walker
Aldridge/Poeltl
White or Murray/Murray or White
Paul/Mills



My new dream scenario....

Murray/DDR/Walker for Drummond/Kennard/1st Rd Pick
&
LMA/Gay/Mills for LaVine/OPJ/Carter Jr

Then draft: Cole Anthony & Jordan Nwora

Spurs Lineup:
Anthony/White
LaVine/Kennard/Forbes
OPJ/Nwora
Carter/Carrol/Lyles
Drummond/Jacob

solid on D, solid on scoring, young, 3pt shooting

Carter and Drummond can't play together.

[Frenchfred]

My new dream scenario....

Murray/DDR/Walker for Drummond/Kennard/1st Rd Pick
&
LMA/Gay/Mills for LaVine/OPJ/Carter Jr

Then draft: Cole Anthony & Jordan Nwora

Spurs Lineup:
Anthony/White
LaVine/Kennard/Forbes
OPJ/Nwora
Carter/Carrol/Lyles
Drummond/Jacob

solid on D, solid on scoring, young, 3pt shooting

why would the Pistons and the Bulls do those trades. They are the clear losers.

[Prime BEEF]

why would the Pistons and the Bulls do those trades. They are the clear losers.
Bulls are imploding and their young core isn’t working like they’d hoped. LaVine and their coach are fighting and there’s lots of rumors about the bulls looking to trade him.

the pistons team chemistry also isn’t working as planned. They need to trade griffin or Drummond because they have no backcourt (part of their success issues). Griffin sells tickets and is harder to trade then Drummond...so Drummond is the one available for trade talks in most rumors. Also, Dwane Casey is the pistons coach. He coached DDR in Toronto and highly values DDR as a player.

if the pistons didn’t throw in that 1st Rd pick, I’d still do that deal. And if the bulls didn’t throw in Carter Jr, I’d still do that deal

[spurspl]

My new dream scenario....

Murray/DDR/Walker for Drummond/Kennard/1st Rd Pick
&
LMA/Gay/Mills for LaVine/OPJ/Carter Jr

Then draft: Cole Anthony & Jordan Nwora

Spurs Lineup:
Anthony/White
LaVine/Kennard/Forbes
OPJ/Nwora
Carter/Carrol/Lyles
Drummond/Jacob

solid on D, solid on scoring, young, 3pt shooting
daamn like this a lot but thats too many changes so imo wont happened :(

i would try to send LMA+picks to GSW for drussel. They need so badly big man and imo lma will stay there longer bc he really want to win a ring (thats why he came to sas). GSW dont need drussel. So thats a win win trade.

[Realdeal1]

According to clan the spurs fan .. Toronto has reached out to inquire about Derozan’s availability...IF true what can we realistically get from Toronto that would improve our team?

[DPG21920]

According to clan the spurs fan .. Toronto has reached out to inquire about Derozan’s availability...IF true what can we realistically get from Toronto that would improve our team?

Draft picks lmao

But it doesn’t make sense to me that TOR would want DeRozan back. But if it happened, my guess would be something like Marc Gasol and a first round pick.

[Degoat]

According to clan the spurs fan .. Toronto has reached out to inquire about Derozan’s availability...IF true what can we realistically get from Toronto that would improve our team?

I’m all for trading Demar but if it was just for a pick and gasol or Ibaka I’d be pretty pissed lol

[DPG21920]

I’m all for trading Demar but if it was just for a pick and gasol or Ibaka I’d be pretty pissed lol

I would be totally fine with Gasol + Pick for DeRozan. Flip Gasol to another team for a pick too. Clear space next year for sure, and get hopefully 2 first for DeRozan? Yeah.

[slick'81]

I’m all for trading Demar but if it was just for a pick and gasol or Ibaka I’d be pretty pissed lol


Now you know how we felt when we got derozan for kawhi

[nzahir]

As an outsider here:

Do you guys view White or Murray as the future pg or both together?

Seems like its not working rn and Murray is on the bench

And thoughts on trading for Kuzma at a low value (if LA is moved)

[Degoat]

Now you know how we felt when we got derozan for kawhi

I mean say what you want but when the spurs traded for Demar he just had a 2nd team all nba season lol ill be happy if we trade him but only if it’s for picks and young players

[DPG21920]

As an outsider here:

Do you guys view White or Murray as the future pg or both together?

Seems like its not working rn and Murray is on the bench

And thoughts on trading for Kuzma at a low value (if LA is moved)

View Murray as a solid piece of the future, but need to invest into him and build a team around him that fits better. But if something came along that landed SA a real shot at a legit all-star, he should not be safe from trade in that scenario.

No to Kuz. Don’t like his game and don’t see him as a player with a higher ceiling than White/Murray/Lonnie/Luka.

[slick'81]

I mean say what you want but when the spurs traded for Demar he just had a 2nd team all nba season lol ill be happy if we trade him but only if it’s for picks and young players


Yea the same season raptors were swept and derozan benched....but yea picks or bust for sa

[cool cat]

I don’t think there is a trade scenario that would fix Pops terrible rotations.

[mo7888]

According to clan the spurs fan .. Toronto has reached out to inquire about Derozan’s availability...IF true what can we realistically get from Toronto that would improve our team?

OG, a pick, and filler...

[r0drig0lac]

OG, a pick, and filler...

we would be lucky to get Terrence Davis and Ibaka

[Dejounte]

Drummond and Kennard would be nice pickups after seeing them play...

[mo7888]

we would be lucky to get Terrence Davis and Ibaka

Then we wouldn't do the trade.... the premise I was responding to was that Toronto wants DDR, not that we are dumping him on them.

[mo7888]

Drummond and Kennard would be nice pickups after seeing them play...

I'd love to have Drummond's physicality on this roster and Kennard would be a huge upgrade over Bryn. Ship out bryn and belli then start kennard with LW in the rotation behind him would make alot of sense.

[spurspl]

View Murray as a solid piece of the future, but need to invest into him and build a team around him that fits better. But if something came along that landed SA a real shot at a legit all-star, he should not be safe from trade in that scenario.

No to Kuz. Don’t like his game and don’t see him as a player with a higher ceiling than White/Murray/Lonnie/Luka.

u kidding? kuz is way way better than all these guys combined

[spurspl]

i wouldnt be surprised if patfo want to get siakam for ddr as they wanted to get kuz ingram ball and 4-5 picks from la for kawhi XD

[DPG21920]

u kidding? kuz is way way better than all these guys combined

Lmao no.

[sasaint]

I don’t think there is a trade scenario that would fix Pops terrible rotations.

Agree. Just another reason that the Spurs need to install a new regime to handle these critical personnel moves. Do not leave PATFO in charge of them. (I know I am dreaming, but I still check ST first thing every morning hoping to read a "Pop has stepped down" thread.)

[Chillen]

If Spurs gift the Raptors back DeMar I think that makes the Kawhi trade the worst trade in NBA history. Keep DeMar and trade LMA.

[slick'81]

If Spurs gift the Raptors back DeMar I think that makes the Kawhi trade the worst trade in NBA history. Keep DeMar and trade LMA.

No doubt.its one thing to get raped in a bad deal but to then turn around and trade the main piece back to tor for scraps!? That's just retarded

toronto managed to rape us in the kawhi deal ,win a championship,lose kawhi/green and are now in 2nd place in the east...therefore those draft picks are trash anyway

[JeffDuncan]

If Spurs gift the Raptors back DeMar ...

Rofl. Thanks for the chuckle.

[BackHome]

I would be totally fine with Gasol + Pick for DeRozan. Flip Gasol to another team for a pick too. Clear space next year for sure, and get hopefully 2 first for DeRozan? Yeah.

At first I was like no way but the way you spell it out I actually would not mind that trade getting us two first picks and maybe a second.

[mo7888]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qnczyfn

Include either Metu or a 2nd to Sacramento.

[lmbebo]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qnczyfn

Include either Metu or a 2nd to Sacramento.

Def a dream. Not sure why Sac does this. They want to make the playoffs. And not sure Chicago wants to part with Carter (he sounds like he's a glue guy for them).

[mo7888]

Def a dream. Not sure why Sac does this. They want to make the playoffs. And not sure Chicago wants to part with Carter (he sounds like he's a glue guy for them).

I've heard some rumors that Carter could be had. The thought on Sacramento is they know they aren't resigning Bogdanovic so maybe they'd be willing to move him for Bryn (which they can resign at a lower number and a small asset)

[lmbebo]

I've heard some rumors that Carter could be had. The thought on Sacramento is they know they aren't resigning Bogdanovic so maybe they'd be willing to move him for Bryn (which they can resign at a lower number and a small asset)


I guess. Not sure Chicago is in blow up mode though. I'm guessing Levine (who I would take over DDR) and Carter aren't pieces they'd like to move. I'm guessing a coaching change would happen first ...

[Thomas82]

Def a dream. Not sure why Sac does this. They want to make the playoffs. And not sure Chicago wants to part with Carter (he sounds like he's a glue guy for them).

I would try to get Gafford from Chicago myself.

[cd021]

I would be totally fine with Gasol + Pick for DeRozan. Flip Gasol to another team for a pick too. Clear space next year for sure, and get hopefully 2 first for DeRozan? Yeah.

Gasol and a 1st for DDR isn't great return but a first to get off of DDR is good enough. Doubt Gasol would net a first or a 2nd as an expensive expiring big though.

[DavidTheGoliath]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rmy8oqa

Det will probably say no

[cd021]

Aldridge and Beli for Whiteside and Portland's 1st is a win-win for both teams tbh.

Portland gets an upgrade over Whiteside for the cost of a first.

Spurs clear out $24 million next season, get a pick that will likely be in the teens and also gets Beli off the team so Pop won't be tempted to play him again.

That and moving DDR to Toronto for Gasol and a 1st (probably in the 20-25 range) would be an ideal scenario.

Spurs would have three 1st rounders, including a top 10 pick.

[Drewlius]

Derozan to Pistons for Snell/Jackson and a 1st. Not sure why so many of these trades in this thread are for long term deals for players that continue this mirage of being competitive. It’s time to tank and start over.

[r0drig0lac]

I'd be happy to get out of these two contracts with Barnes, Bogdanovic, Fournier and Gordon, we desperately need SF/PF and SF/SG, even if the front office doesn't seem to think that way.

[DPG21920]

Gasol and a 1st for DDR isn't great return but a first to get off of DDR is good enough. Doubt Gasol would net a first or a 2nd as an expensive expiring big though.

I don’t know - he’s shooting 37% from 3 this season and if you are a team trying to make a playoff run, I could see giving up a first for him (with the leg up on re-signing him too). He’s not been great this year or anything, but sill is a name and people saw how he came in on trade last season and helped TOR win it all.

[DPG21920]

I'd be happy to get out of these two contracts with Barnes, Bogdanovic, Fournier and Gordon, we desperately need SF/PF and SF/SG, even if the front office doesn't seem to think that way.

Spurs don’t need to take on anything they don’t like to get out of the deals. DeRozan very well could opt out on his own and LMA is only guaranteed 8M next season* and SA could waive him.

Not optimal, but getting off the deals isn’t the concern IMO.


*Still a lot of confusion on whether SA actually guaranteed LMA next year already or not.

[JeffDuncan]

...
*Still a lot of confusion on whether SA actually guaranteed LMA next year already or not.

LMA was fully guaranteed for next season on Oct 23. The full $24 million. He has a 15% trade kicker, btw.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lol Carmelo Anthony has been better than rudy gay right now #sad

[DPG21920]

LMA was fully guaranteed for next season on Oct 23. The full $24 million. He has a 15% trade kicker, btw.


Are you sure? I’ve asked around on Twitter and others seem to think that nothing has officially happened.

1201679698146873344

[slick'81]

LMA was fully guaranteed for next season on Oct 23. The full $24 million. He has a 15% trade kicker, btw.



Ouch if true

[cd021]

I don’t know - he’s shooting 37% from 3 this season and if you are a team trying to make a playoff run, I could see giving up a first for him (with the leg up on re-signing him too). He’s not been great this year or anything, but sill is a name and people saw how he came in on trade last season and helped TOR win it all.

His true shooting percentage is 45% that's about 10% below league average. He's also making $25.5 million, playoff teams would probably have to give up multiple rotation players to make the money work.

Also, I don't think he can be traded for multiple salaries after being traded in-season. Spurs might do him a solid and just waive him so he could get signed up for the vet minimum by a playoff team

[Ignazzz]

Drop him for nothing? Dont think so

[Ignazzz]

eFG%53,5 true 45? Check data

[DPG21920]

His true shooting percentage is 45% that's about 10% below league average. He's also making $25.5 million, playoff teams would probably have to give up multiple rotation players to make the money work.

Also, I don't think he can be traded for multiple salaries after being traded in-season. Spurs might do him a solid and just waive him so he could get signed up for the vet minimum by a playoff team

He can be aggregated in a trade. We will see but him shooting 3s is what matters imo and he’s still a plus defender. Teams would welcome him for sure.

[spurspl]

ddr forbes metu bamba for drummond kennard
lma 1st sas 1st orl for deangelo russel
murray keldon loonie for gordon bamba

and move mills and belli for anything

drussel/white/kennard/gordon/drummond

this lineup has everything: two all stars, great D, 3pt shooting, space, young guys, game changer, athleticsm, definetely a contender.

[cd021]

Drop him for nothing? Dont think so


eFG%53,5 true 45? Check data
Gasols TS% is 45.6%

If the Spurs move DDR, then that means that they'd likely move LMA too. Keeping Gasol, who probably isn't an asset given his poor shooting and giant contract, doesn't make sense.

If the Spurs can't trade him, which I probably wouldn't be able to, then they should release him as to not take minutes away from other bigs on the team who could use it.

[TD 21]

:lmao At thinking the Raptors would break up the poor man's beautiful game that they have going (and that the Spurs helped them fall ass backwards into) and go back to being a laughing stock with this loser. Not a chance in hell.

As has been said ad nauseam, it's more than likely Pistons or Magic for some combination of players who've been kicked around in this thread.

Aldridge for Whiteside and either a lottery protected 1st or Little, becomes more palatable if it's in conjunction with DeRozan for Forunier and Bamba.

Neither is a great return, but this team would be stocked with depth of prospects, which combined with their own high pick, makes it easier to manipulate the draft board.

[JeffDuncan]

Are you sure? ...


Re LMA's salary for next season being fully guaranteed. I have no personal knowledge of it, but it's on both spotrac and bballref.

[DPG21920]

Re LMA's salary for next season being fully guaranteed. I have no personal knowledge of it, but it's on both spotrac and bballref.

Hmm interesting.. I am sure it is because Pop said so, but just kind of odd that there is some confusion about it.

[R. DeMurre]

Some rumors say the Kings are regretting the signing of Harrison Barnes: https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/source-kings-dont-have-remorse-over-harrison-barnes-contract

A dream scenario would be the Kings taking on DeRozan's shorter contract plus someone like DeMarre Carroll for Bjelica and Barnes. Kings free up long term payroll for young guys like Bagley and Fox, Spurs get two three point shooters that are 6'8" and 6'10", plus more playing time for Walker, White, and Murray. Barnes' contract goes down each year rather than up ($22mil, 20mil, 18mil). If he's even just a bit better than average, his contract will be completely reasonable.

[Degoat]

Some rumors say the Kings are regretting the signing of Harrison Barnes: https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/source-kings-dont-have-remorse-over-harrison-barnes-contract

A dream scenario would be the Kings taking on DeRozan's shorter contract plus someone like DeMarre Carroll for Bjelica and Barnes. Kings free up long term payroll for young guys like Bagley and Fox, Spurs get two three point shooters that are 6'8" and 6'10", plus more playing time for Walker, White, and Murray. Barnes' contract goes down each year rather than up ($22mil, 20mil, 18mil). If he's even just a bit better than average, his contract will be completely reasonable.

I wouldn’t mind that, I think I remember people saying Pop really liked Barnes from coaching the USA team too, would rather trade LA personally but beggars can’t be choosers

[RC_Drunkford]

Some rumors say the Kings are regretting the signing of Harrison Barnes: https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/source-kings-dont-have-remorse-over-harrison-barnes-contract

A dream scenario would be the Kings taking on DeRozan's shorter contract plus someone like DeMarre Carroll for Bjelica and Barnes. Kings free up long term payroll for young guys like Bagley and Fox, Spurs get two three point shooters that are 6'8" and 6'10", plus more playing time for Walker, White, and Murray. Barnes' contract goes down each year rather than up ($22mil, 20mil, 18mil). If he's even just a bit better than average, his contract will be completely reasonable.

can we give them Mills, Carroll and Belinelli instead?

[TD 21]

This franchise can't catch a break in recent years. Of course the Magic have turned their season around with their best player injured, Fournier having a career season and Fultz showing signs of life.

This lessens the likelihood of them having interest in DeRozan, since Fournier, as one of their 3 plus 3-point shooters (Ross, Augustin), is a better fit anyway and Fultz is showing that his development might be worth prioritizing, at least over a pseudo star like DeRozan (they can't really play together, so his role likely would have been minimized in such a trade).

If they're out, it's probably down to either the Pistons expiring's and lottery protected 1st or re-routing that to the Thunder and taking on Paul. I could be wrong, but I believe the Spurs' preference would be more so the latter kind of trade.

[Laker_1995]

Bend over. I'll give you a dream package.

motha fucken fool LMFAO

[gambit1990]

i've been saying okc would be the best trade partner for the spurs... now i'm more and more curious what okc is gonna end up doing this season. they've been better than their record. they're getting more acclimated, are currently the 7th seed, and blew out the 6th seed tonight.

they can beat denver in the POs with their roster as is. they only lost to houston this season by 4.

[Prime BEEF]

This franchise can't catch a break in recent years. Of course the Magic have turned their season around with their best player injured, Fournier having a career season and Fultz showing signs of life.

This lessens the likelihood of them having interest in DeRozan, since Fournier, as one of their 3 plus 3-point shooters (Ross, Augustin), is a better fit anyway and Fultz is showing that his development might be worth prioritizing, at least over a pseudo star like DeRozan (they can't really play together, so his role likely would have been minimized in such a trade).

If they're out, it's probably down to either the Pistons expiring's and lottery protected 1st or re-routing that to the Thunder and taking on Paul. I could be wrong, but I believe the Spurs' preference would be more so the latter kind of trade.
I’m not convinced Orlando is off the table yet. They still need to move Gordon who’s losing time to Isaac and plays the 3 when they play them together which doesn’t work too well. Fournier would be fine playing with DDR as their skill sets could complement other....DDR drive or Iso mode then kicks out to Fournier for 3.

DDR for Gordon/Ross still makes sense for both teams

[Prime BEEF]

i've been saying okc would be the best trade partner for the spurs... now i'm more and more curious what okc is gonna end up doing this season. they've been better than their record. they're getting more acclimated, are currently the 7th seed, and blew out the 6th seed tonight.

they can beat denver in the POs with their roster as is. they only lost to houston this season by 4.
OKC is quietly having a great year. Most everyone thought they’d be trash (including me). They’re very close to sliding into the 6th seed spot in the west. That’s just crazy to me. And Adams isn’t really having a standout year. Amazing

[cd021]

I’m not convinced Orlando is off the table yet. They still need to move Gordon who’s losing time to Isaac and plays the 3 when they play them together which doesn’t work too well. Fournier would be fine playing with DDR as their skill sets could complement other....DDR drive or Iso mode then kicks out to Fournier for 3.

DDR for Gordon/Ross still makes sense for both teams

Ross is under contract for three more years and making more than $11 million each season.

Hard to see him being someone that the Spurs would want back.

[TimDunkem]

Not realistic at all but DD/Belli for Gordon/Fournier and LMA/Forbes for Hayward/R.Williams is my favorite way to blow up the Spurs in 2k right now.

[mo7888]

Not realistic at all but DD/Belli for Gordon/Fournier and LMA/Forbes for Hayward/R.Williams is my favorite way to blow up the Spurs in 2k right now.

I like that. I don't think that blows it up... I think it improves the team and the win total.

[Duncan87]

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It’s ‘unlikely’ that the San Antonio Spurs pull the plug on their roster, per @KevinOConnorNBA (https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA)

[Duncan87]

That’s it Pop has spoken

[Sugus]

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It’s ‘unlikely’ that the San Antonio Spurs pull the plug on their roster, per @KevinOConnorNBA (https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA)




Sweet talk whilst the playoffs are still within grasp; I'd like to see the question pose up again if the team goes to a record such as 15-30 or the like. Every winning or aspiring to win team is unlikely to blow it up, this isn't really news - though I still hold a shred of hope that this is a PR move making a trade in the 15th unexpected and preventing the devaluation of Spurs assets. One can dream, I guess...

[TimDunkem]

Not sweet talk. I think a combination of stubbornness about admitting that this team isn't working and the DD trade was bad, a desire to stick to the status quo rather than coach up a whole new roster, and a need to sell tickets is the reason Poop and the FO is not going to make a move.

[TimDunkem]

I like that. I don't think that blows it up... I think it improves the team and the win total.

I do too. In every simulation they win more games than this POS roster. Fun team to play with too.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think the Spurs will pull the plug on this roster, but they should still look to package 2 of Mills/Forbes/Beli/Carroll for a starting forward. That would do wonders for this team. You really only want one of Forbes/Mills on the team and Carroll and Belinelli should not be in the rotation going forward, so packaging them for a Marvin Williams or Gallinari would make sense.

[Prime BEEF]

Not realistic at all but DD/Belli for Gordon/Fournier and LMA/Forbes for Hayward/R.Williams is my favorite way to blow up the Spurs in 2k right now.
Good trade. Tons of great trades and options out there. Most all of them would make this team better and give this years team a better shot at making the playoffs. DDR and LMA are not taking the spurs to the playoffs this season. Ironically, the excuse most are stating as the reason to keep them is to continue the playoff streak lol

[DPG21920]

If SA is set on not blowing it up and worrying about the future I would like a DeRozan for Otto Porter swap. It hedges on keeping the youth and your picks but gives you someone that might fit a little better with this group/LMA.

I know he’s been bad overall this year and dinged up, still think it’s a worthwhile swing.

Edit: Nevermind - he’s likely out at least a month with a fracture in his foot. No go then.

[RC_Drunkford]

Patty Mills for Marvin Williams

[JPB]

Trade for Marcus Morris.

[TD 21]

I’m not convinced Orlando is off the table yet. They still need to move Gordon who’s losing time to Isaac and plays the 3 when they play them together which doesn’t work too well. Fournier would be fine playing with DDR as their skill sets could complement other....DDR drive or Iso mode then kicks out to Fournier for 3.

DDR for Gordon/Ross still makes sense for both teams

They don't need to move Gordon, he's playing similar minutes to recent seasons and him and Isaac being more suited to being a four isn't reason enough to trade him.

The Magic would need another wing. Any of Carroll, Belinelli or Forbes works, but Forbes makes the most sense.

Starters: Gordon, Ross, Aldridge, 1 of White/Murray, then either the other or Gay.

Bench: Whichever of those 3 doesn't start, Mills, Poeltl, then Belinelli, Walker, Lyles, Carroll, competing for the final 2 rotation spots.

[Prime BEEF]

Atlanta is a disaster right now and seems desperate. Young is not happy and their FO is promising to bring in help for him.

DDR/LMA/Murray for Hunter/Len/Parsons/Crabbe/Both 1st Rd picks

Atlanta keeps young core of Collins/Young/Huerter/Reddish but then also adds veterans.

If they don’t want to give up Hunter, I’d still do the deal with Reddish.

[XDT76]

Atlanta is a disaster right now and seems desperate. Young is not happy and their FO is promising to bring in help for him.

DDR/LMA/Murray for Hunter/Len/Parsons/Crabbe/Both 1st Rd picks

Atlanta keeps young core of Collins/Young/Huerter/Reddish but then also adds veterans.

If they don’t want to give up Hunter, I’d still do the deal with Reddish.

You probably need to throw Metu or Forbes in for the roster to fit.