Tim Duncan a top 10 player all time? [Archive]

Kobe'sAchilles

12-17-2019, 02:50 PM

I know it and you know it. Jim Duncan is clearly a top 10 player of all time. He's just behind Kobe and Shaq in like the 9 range. I thought for sure he would be the first one replaced by the media with like Durant or someone. I can see the media throwing in Kawhi in the top 10 discussion if he wins it this year along with another Finals MVP. Does he replace Jim? My gut says no, but there will be idiots like Cowherd and Kellerman that will push the narrative.

But now Pop is showing how shitty a coach he is without Jim, I think it strengthens his case in staying in the top 10. Pop without Jim has an under 500 record in the playoffs with no finals appearances. The media narrative all along has been that Pop is the greatest coach of all time and that's why Jim was so successful. Is this CIA Pop protecting his guy in the grand scale?

timtonymanu

12-17-2019, 03:08 PM

Top 5 imo

Robz4000

12-17-2019, 03:13 PM

:lmao behind Kirby and Shaq

RC_Drunkford

12-17-2019, 03:20 PM

Top 5 imo

TheSpurglar

12-17-2019, 03:23 PM

He's just behind Kobe and Shaq in like the 9 range.

:rolleyes

cool cat

12-17-2019, 03:25 PM

It's rare to find a poll or ranking list that has Kobe top 10.

It's rare to find a poll or ranking list that doesn't have Tim top 10.

KobesAchilles

12-17-2019, 04:01 PM

:lmao behind Kirby and Shaq
Shaq vs Duncan all time is an interesting match up tbh. Shaq clearly had the better peak. Duncan with one more ring and one more MVP. But Shaq has more points and averaged more rebounds. Plus Shaq 3peated.

Kobe vs Duncan isn’t even close. Kobe by far has the better career. 2 gold medals. He 3peated. Then made it to the finals 3 times in a row another time closing the deal with a repeat championship. Kobe more points and assists. One less MVP and Finals MVP but one more finals appearance. Also Kobe went out with 60 while Duncan’s last game was him getting his shit pushed in by Steven Adams :lol

Robz4000

12-17-2019, 04:09 PM

Shaq vs Duncan all time is an interesting match up tbh. Shaq clearly had the better peak. Duncan with one more ring and one more MVP. But Shaq has more points and averaged more rebounds. Plus Shaq 3peated.

Kobe vs Duncan isn’t even close. Kobe by far has the better career. 2 gold medals. He 3peated. Then made it to the finals 3 times in a row another time closing the deal with a repeat championship. Kobe more points and assists. One less MVP and Finals MVP but one more finals appearance. Also Kobe went out with 60 while Duncan’s last game was him getting his shit pushed in by Steven Adams :lol

Shaq was shit from 05 onwards during his career while Timmy was the best player on a contending team until his final year. Yes, Shaq's peak was better, but Tim did beat him twice during it on the way to a title.

Kirby isn't even a top 10 player. Dude couldn't even carry his team to the postseason when the West was at its weakest (outside 09) and needed the HoF bigs to win anything anyway.

spurraider21

12-17-2019, 04:18 PM

:lmao behind Kirby and Shaq
way to take the bait

cd98

12-17-2019, 04:26 PM

It will be interesting to see if the next era of basketball has a public opinion that removes all big men from the top 10. I can see in this guard and small forward focused era where three point shooting matters disproportionately and big men are marginalized that the common consensus will be that great three point shooters like Curry will matter more than the Kareems, Shaqs, Duncans, etc.

Ed Helicopter Jones

12-17-2019, 04:32 PM

Kobe vs Duncan isn’t even close. Kobe by far has the better career. 2 gold medals. He 3peated. Then made it to the finals 3 times in a row another time closing the deal with a repeat championship. Kobe more points and assists. One less MVP and Finals MVP but one more finals appearance. Also Kobe went out with 60 while Duncan’s last game was him getting his shit pushed in by Steven Adams :lol

60 in a meaningless regular season game. If Duncan cared about stat-padding, and was willing to settle for 30% shooting above winning games, he probably could have greatly increased his scoring numbers as well. And, as for the 3-peat, Kobe had another top-10 player next to him for that run, so I'd give the nod to TD for bringing 5 rings to a small market team. Kobe wouldn't have had the patience to get to his first title in San Antonio.

All Tim did was win

But, I think your argument will be used by a lot of folks to argue Kobe's place above Duncan.

K...

12-17-2019, 04:37 PM

Also, when Tim became an assistant coach we started losing bad

Robz4000

12-17-2019, 04:43 PM

way to take the bait

Kirby vs Timmy debates always trigger me tbh.

KobesAchilles

12-17-2019, 04:50 PM

Shaq was shit from 05 onwards during his career while Timmy was the best player on a contending team until his final year. Yes, Shaq's peak was better, but Tim did beat him twice during it on the way to a title.

Kirby isn't even a top 10 player. Dude couldn't even carry his team to the postseason when the West was at its weakest (outside 09) and needed the HoF bigs to win anything anyway.
If Shaq was shit the year he won the title then I don’t even want to know what Jim was during 09-11. I mean if winning the title is shit then losing in the first round to the 8th seed as the 1 seed is??? :lmao

And Kobe more than redeemed himself with his second title run. Trying to act like making it to 3 finals and winning 2 as repeat champions is an easy thing to do. If it’s so easy, why didn’t Jim repeat? Oh that’s right he had his ass bounced by Kobe in 2008.

KobesAchilles

12-17-2019, 04:54 PM

60 in a meaningless regular season game. If Duncan cared about stat-padding, and was willing to settle for 30% shooting above winning games, he probably could have greatly increased his scoring numbers as well. And, as for the 3-peat, Kobe had another top-10 player next to him for that run, so I'd give the nod to TD for bringing 5 rings to a small market team. Kobe wouldn't have had the patience to get to his first title in San Antonio.

All Tim did was win

But, I think your argument will be used by a lot of folks to argue Kobe's place above Duncan.
Small market yes but let’s not act like San Antonio is a typical small market. They only have 4 years in their history of not making the playoffs. It’s not like Jim went to the Cavs and resurrected a shitty team like Lebron or took an expansion team to the Finals like Shaq. The Spurs were in the hunt with Robinson.

Splits

12-17-2019, 05:28 PM

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image.php?u=24583&dateline=1455751747

cool cat

12-17-2019, 05:49 PM

And Kobe more than redeemed himself with his second title run. Trying to act like making it to 3 finals and winning 2 as repeat champions is an easy thing to do. If it’s so easy, why didn’t Jim repeat? Oh that’s right he had his ass bounced by Kobe in 2008.

Such a bad take there, Tim swept Kirby in the 90's & 10's. Kirby couldn't even sniff the playoffs the final 4 years of his career while Tim was still winning and playing in the Finals.

diego

12-17-2019, 05:50 PM

Do tell, how many times have the Lakers missed the playoffs? How many were with prime Kobe?

Yogatti

12-17-2019, 05:59 PM

5x Title
3x FMVP
2x MVP
10x All NBA First Team
8x All NBA Defensive Team
Rookie of The Year

I don't see how he isn't top 10 all time.

And Tim Duncan has never missed the playoffs his entire career. Never had below .500 record in any season. That guy was a winner.

but....he did get bronze though :lmao

Dex

12-17-2019, 06:03 PM

Leetonidas

12-17-2019, 06:10 PM

Top 7 imo. More rings than Shaq. More individual accolades than Rapist. Really no contest tbh

Sugus

12-17-2019, 06:44 PM

One less MVP and Finals MVP but one more finals appearance.

I know I'm taking the bait, but I couldn't resist; the most hilarious part of an already flimsy argument is trying to make getting shit on in the Finals more impactful, or equal even, to getting an MVP *and* winning the Finals as MVP. Just fucked up logic all around, not that I expected anything else from a trolling kobestan :lol

duncan2k5

12-17-2019, 07:14 PM

U would be hard pressed to find any legitimate ranking that has Kobe top 10, nevertheless ahead of Duncan

paperboy77

12-17-2019, 08:42 PM

This is blasphemy! What kind of jacked up question is this?

slick'81

12-17-2019, 08:48 PM

This is blasphemy! What kind of jacked up question is this?

Click bait my friend

sananspursfan21

12-17-2019, 09:04 PM

Allan Rowe vs Wade

12-17-2019, 09:45 PM

fuckin duh

1 Kobe
2 MJ
3 Lebron
4 Shaq
5 Wilt
6 Klaw
7 Curry
8 Harden
9 Garnett
10 Duncan

DavidTheGoliath

12-17-2019, 09:46 PM

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image.php?u=24583&dateline=1455751747

This. 12be

DMC

12-17-2019, 09:48 PM

Shaq is probably ahead of Tim in the top 10 all time, but Kobe is 12 - 14 all time, according to several pundits with different media outlets. Time will see Kobe slip to the high teens, even low 20's in my lifetime.

DMC

12-17-2019, 09:50 PM

Definitely better than Shaq. I understand the debatability about whether he or Kobe is better but he’s for sure better than Diesel. Shaq was pretty dominant for a bit, but TD was admittedly the only one who could guard him and had way more longevity. Shaq was irrelevant the last third of his career. Timmy was never irrelevant at any point in his career.

Shaq wasn't "pretty dominant for a bit" unless you only watched Spurs game. Shaq changed the way the game is played. He wasn't super talented but was for his size, and was unstoppable by anyone except Kobe.

DMC

12-17-2019, 09:53 PM

way to take the bait

Way to come along and tell people it's a troll post. No one knew.

Bynumite

12-17-2019, 09:58 PM

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Bynumite

12-17-2019, 10:04 PM

Jim got cucked by Argentina and Gil Urbano, therefore he's automatically disqualified from top 10 considerations.

https://hollywoodstreetking.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tim-duncans-cheating-wife-amy-Gil-Urbano.jpg

JeffDuncan

12-17-2019, 10:16 PM

The Fakers lost.

Seventyniner

12-17-2019, 10:56 PM

It's all a subjective debate. Tim's absolute peak wasn't as good as Shaq's, for example. But if you want to build a franchise for 2 decades of success I don't see anyone (in the modern era at least) that you pick ahead of Tim.

Play Boban

12-17-2019, 11:11 PM

Probably not even a top 10 PF tbqh.

Arcadian

12-18-2019, 04:00 PM

Top 3

SayTown

12-18-2019, 05:12 PM

Tim Duncan's defense is one thing that never gets mentioned enough. He is probably the best defensive big man in history. It's insane and a travesty that he never won a defensive player of the year. He made so many teammates look good and even great such as #2 on defense. Teammates knew they could gamble and play aggressive D because even if their man beat them they knew Tim would be back there waiting to clean up any mistakes.

Brazil

12-18-2019, 05:53 PM

This is 12 talking..

Fireball

12-19-2019, 03:40 AM

yes

RC_Drunkford

12-19-2019, 06:20 AM

Shaq vs Duncan all time is an interesting match up tbh. Shaq clearly had the better peak. Duncan with one more ring and one more MVP. But Shaq has more points and averaged more rebounds. Plus Shaq 3peated.

Kobe vs Duncan isn’t even close. Kobe by far has the better career. 2 gold medals. He 3peated. Then made it to the finals 3 times in a row another time closing the deal with a repeat championship. Kobe more points and assists. One less MVP and Finals MVP but one more finals appearance. Also Kobe went out with 60 while Duncan’s last game was him getting his shit pushed in by Steven Adams :lol

That's a delusional take. Duncan went out in the 2nd round of the playoffs while breaking the Spurs record for regular season wins while Kobe went out with a 20 win team that couldn't make the playoffs multiple years in a row cause he was holding the roster hostage. Duncan was clearly better than both

RC_Drunkford

12-19-2019, 06:21 AM

fuckin duh

1 Kobe
2 MJ
3 Lebron
4 Shaq
5 Wilt
6 Klaw
7 Curry
8 Harden
9 Garnett
10 Duncan

you are smoking crack

Allan Rowe vs Wade

12-19-2019, 07:46 AM

you are smoking crack

an argument could be made for garnett and duncan to flip places tbh

RC_Drunkford

12-19-2019, 09:10 AM

an argument could be made for garnett and duncan to flip places tbh

Kobe is not Top 5. Duncan is nowhere rated lower than 7th. Garnett ain't Top 10 at all, not even close. Harden, Curry and load management aren't even top 30

Allan Rowe vs Wade

12-19-2019, 09:37 AM

Kobe is not Top 5. Duncan is nowhere rated lower than 7th. Garnett ain't Top 10 at all, not even close. Harden, Curry and load management aren't even top 30

don’t hate me; hate the game

ZeusWillJudge

12-19-2019, 09:45 AM

way to take the bait

Troll
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To fish by trailing a baited line along behind a boat.
Alternatively to dangle stupid comments online, in hopes of getting a reaction.

R. DeMurre

12-19-2019, 01:07 PM

Duncan's accomplishments were also racked up playing for a franchise that was extremely frugal. The Spurs were routinely outspent by rival franchises during Duncan's career. Go back to 2004, 2006, & 2008 and give his teams an extra $10mil to play with-- he'd almost certainly add to that ring total. In those three seasons alone, the Lakers outspent the Spurs by about $30 million dollars. From 2000 thru 2010, the Lakers outspent the Spurs in every single season. The Lakers were almost always in the top third of spenders in the league, while the Spurs were often in the bottom third. Switch those scenarios & you probably get a significantly different ring total.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/2003-2004/
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/2005-2006/
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/2007-2008/