US Assasinates top Iranian general in Iraq. It is a declaration of war but will there be one?

[DMC]

https://twitter.com/suhaibsaqib1/status/1214715585726238720?s=21


https://twitter.com/allyeme/status/1214715292556902402?s=21


https://twitter.com/224hz/status/1214731365683474432?s=21


3 meter error range tbqh :wow

crazy shit

its obvious they targeted the hangars which housed the drones

:lmao you have BPD

[TheGreatYacht]

Israel Again Bombs The PMU, Rockets Fired In Iraq, 737 Misinfo & Congress Warned Not To Discuss Iran

https://youtu.be/jZYad_DHjLg

[DMC]

:cry "muh joos"

[RandomGuy]

Boots is not only batshit crazy, he's also a massive snowflake, like all similar ilk.

Dude will probably die demanding "The Oligarchy Got Me" be written as his cause of death on his death certificate.

If memory serves, Buffet himself makes the claim. I don't think you have any idea just how concentrated the wealth of this country truly is.

[Chucho]

If memory serves, Buffet himself makes the claim. I don't think you have any idea just how concentrated the wealth of this country truly is.

Well, you think wrong. Because someone doesn't spend 99.5% posting putrid, biased articles or makes fun of the person that does doesn't mean said person is ignorant to what he's bashing. Stupid logic, RG. You're better than that.

[monosylab1k]

https://i.postimg.cc/3JxmK4TG/97-FD9-E2-A-5784-4015-BE7-F-E9472-B88431-B.jpg

:lmao

[Chucho]

:lol

[hater]

:wow these nigas have completely lost respect got damn

He underlined that “the blood of Iranian martyrs is of high value and they cannot be compensated by hitting their bases, downing their fighter jets or even killing Trump, since the main revenge as stated by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei is expelling the US from the region completely”.

[hater]

“An operation that we did not disclose anything about after the IRGC’s missile attacks and was conducted by using special equipment we had prepared in advance was an important electronic warfare operation that started about 15 minutes after missile attack; we brought all drones flying over Ain al-Assad military base out of US troops’ control for some moments and cut their communication and image links which terrified the Americans,” General Hajizadeh said on Thursday, addressing a press conference to elaborate on IRGC missile attacks on the US military base.

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.postimg.cc/3JxmK4TG/97-FD9-E2-A-5784-4015-BE7-F-E9472-B88431-B.jpg

:lmao:lol

Same guys who did this:

1192581234553237504

and this:

1207785779835129857

[RandomGuy]

Well, you think wrong. Because someone doesn't spend 99.5% posting putrid, biased articles or makes fun of the person that does doesn't mean said person is ignorant to what he's bashing. Stupid logic, RG. You're better than that.

not really trying to bash you, sorry of you got that impression, it is my fault for not being clearer. I mean most people in general don't have any idea just how much it really is concentrated in just a few hands.

I really do think we are moving quite clearly to an oligarchy. Buffet has said something along those lines as well.

Ok, then. Let's be a bit clear though, just to get a baseline for discussion:

How concentrated do you think the wealth in this country really is?

What percentage of the wealth (total value of all assets) does the bottom 50% of people ranked by income control?

How does that compare to the top 1%?

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/1215682768497188873

[hater]

Israeli intelligence site, even they confirm Irans missiles were upgraded and unstoppably by US patriots.

Iran’s attack on US airbase in Iraq finds Israel vulnerable to same kind of ballistic missile strike

The breakthrough achieved by Iran in upgrading the precision of its ballistic missiles was displayed in its Jan. 8 attack on the big US Ain Al-Asad airbase in W. Iraq. US President Donald Trump laid stress on the absence of casualties and “minimal damage” caused, adding “our early warning system worked very well.” Then, on Jan. 9, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Aerospace chief Brig. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh said: “Our goal was to destroy the central command room of the base and that is what we did.”
But meanwhile, the US commercial Planet company stepped in with revealing satellite photos of the attack and its impact, showing that at least five structures at the Ain al-Asad airbase in western Iraq – hangars and buildings – were “hit hard by a barrage of Iranian missiles.” They were precise enough to strike some individual buildings “dead center,” said one analyst.

The president was not asked about the failure of the most advanced US anti-missile systems to intercept the Iranian missiles at Ain Al-Asad. (The second US base targeted by Iran at Irbil in Kurdistan was evacuated some days earlier.) This could be down to three alternative breakdowns: either the early warning systems did not detect the missiles’ launch from Iran; or the interceptors did not react when the missiles exploded inside the base; or both.
Clearly, in the five months since its missile/drone attack on Saudi oil facilities on Sept. 14, Iran has made further strides in developing the precision of its missiles, whereas the US early warning systems were not correspondingly upgraded.
Iran therefore brought off the first missile attack on US military targets since the Korean War.

[hater]

The implications for America’s military deterrence are plain, but no less grave are the implications for Israel. The Iranian general stressed that the missile attack on American bases in neighboring Iraq was “only the start of a series of attacks that will take place across the entire region.”
Israel has no illusions about its standing with America on the front line against Iran. And if the US military is short of answers for defense against Iran’s ballistic missiles, Israel whose early warning and anti-missile systems are based on American models is in the same boat.
The Iranian strike on US bases in Iraq on Jan. 8 must serve as an immediate red alert for Israel on what to expect. Instead of telling the Israeli public fairy stories about their country’s non-involvement in the spiraling armed contest between the US and Iran, it would be better for the government to tell the people frankly that Israel is more exposed than ever to Iranian missile aggression.

[Chucho]

not really trying to bash you, sorry of you got that impression, it is my fault for not being clearer. I mean most people in general don't have any idea just how much it really is concentrated in just a few hands.

I really do think we are moving quite clearly to an oligarchy. Buffet has said something along those lines as well.

Ok, then. Let's be a bit clear though, just to get a baseline for discussion:

How concentrated do you think the wealth in this country really is?

What percentage of the wealth (total value of all assets) does the bottom 50% of people ranked by income control?

How does that compare to the top 1%?


I agree, and understand, fully, the reality of the Top 1%. I'm not arguing that.

Making fun of Boutons, and people of the ilk, and why I do, is how they approach it. That's a different discussion. Suffice it to say, screaming til your blue in the face about wealth inequality does absolutely nothing.

And I know I'll be one of the few that have this sentiment, but since most people have some kind of understanding on wealth inequity, we still need to be mindful that most of us are consumersauruses and, while we bitch and moan about it, we still have no problem giving the 1% even more of our monies. It's not victim shaming, Americans are spend junkies and most aren't fiscally responsible.

You have to start with the things we can fix. It's insane to me to think we can fix the income inequality before we can indict ourselves as a society and admit we collectively are financially irresponsible. Once we can figure that, only then, at least to me, do I feel we're ready to have a legitimate conversation about how to tackle the larger picture.

[hater]

9IQb4BXOQK0

[RandomGuy]

not really trying to bash you, sorry of you got that impression, it is my fault for not being clearer. I mean most people in general don't have any idea just how much it really is concentrated in just a few hands.

I really do think we are moving quite clearly to an oligarchy. Buffet has said something along those lines as well.

Ok, then. Let's be a bit clear though, just to get a baseline for discussion:

How concentrated do you think the wealth in this country really is?

What percentage of the wealth (total value of all assets) does the bottom 50% of people ranked by income control?

How does that compare to the top 1%?



I agree, and understand, fully, the reality of the Top 1%. I'm not arguing that.

Making fun of Boutons, and people of the ilk, and why I do, is how they approach it. That's a different discussion. Suffice it to say, screaming til your blue in the face about wealth inequality does absolutely nothing.

And I know I'll be one of the few that have this sentiment, but since most people have some kind of understanding on wealth inequity, we still need to be mindful that most of us are consumersauruses and, while we bitch and moan about it, we still have no problem giving the 1% even more of our monies. It's not victim shaming, Americans are spend junkies and most aren't fiscally responsible.

You have to start with the things we can fix. It's insane to me to think we can fix the income inequality before we can indict ourselves as a society and admit we collectively are financially irresponsible. Once we can figure that, only then, at least to me, do I feel we're ready to have a legitimate conversation about how to tackle the larger picture.

Ok, but for discussion, we really need to try to put some hard figures on how concentrated it really is.

That will help us understand the parameters of the problem. You can't know what we can or can't do, really, until you know what the reality on the ground is. Not trying to argue anything here, and even if we agree, there is a great value, IMO, from starting with an understood set of facts.

What percentage of the wealth (total value of all assets) does the bottom 50% of people ranked by income control?

How does that compare to the top 1%? the top 10%?

[RandomGuy]

9IQb4BXOQK0

As noted before. Iran is not Iraq. Even the most abstract, cursoring wargaming as done here shows that.

Should be required viewing.

[boutons_deux]

goddamn, Chucho is one stupid mofo,

blaming individuals as "financially irresponsible" as a cause, the? cause of USA's World Champion Inequality, which is standard olgarchy/Repug/evangelical BULLSHIT propaganda.

"It ain't us wealthy people. It's all your personal fault"

If you were just smarter with your money, you'd be a millionaire.

If you were a good person, God would reward you with wealth.

ALL TOTAL BULLSHIT

[boutons_deux]

'Completely Lawless President': Trump Reportedly Tried to Kill Another Top Iranian Commander on Same Day as Soleimani

"Multiple strikes on top IRGC officials is starting a war. These were decapitation strikes."

The Trump administration reportedly tried and failed to assassinate a senior Iranian military official in Yemen on the same day it killed Gen. Qasem Soleimani with a drone strike in Baghdad last week, nearly sparking (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/07/nightmare-iran-launches-rocket-attack-us-airbase-iraq) a full-blown regional war.

The Washington Post reported (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/on-the-day-us-forces-killed-soleimani-they-launched-another-secret-operation-targeting-a-senior-iranian-official-in-yemen/2020/01/10/60f86dbc-3245-11ea-898f-eb846b7e9feb_story.html) Friday that

U.S. forces carried out a "top secret mission" targeting Abdul Reza Shahlai, a high-level commander of Iran's Quds Force.

According to the Post, the U.S. launched a strike against Shahlai in Yemen but it was unsuccessful for unknown reasons.

According to the Post:

The Trump administration views Shahlai as a particularly potent adversary.

The State Department offered a $15 million reward last month for information leading to Shahlai and the disruption of [the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps'] financial mechanisms.

The announcement said that Shahlai is based in Yemen and has a "long history of involvement in attacks targeting the U.S. and our allies, including in the 2011 plot against the Saudi ambassador" at an Italian restaurant in Washington.


the Post reporting undermines the Trump administration's claim that it assassinated Soleimani due to an "imminent threat" to American interests—and

indicates the general's killing was part of what was meant to be a far more sweeping effort to damage the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).



https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/10/completely-lawless-president-trump-reportedly-tried-kill-another-top-iranian?cd-origin=rss (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/10/completely-lawless-president-trump-reportedly-tried-kill-another-top-iranian?cd-origin=rss)

[boutons_deux]

Trash's decision to assassinate was MaL decision, away from cooler, professional heads in DC, and he was pushed hard by amateurs, geopolitical idiots Pompeo and Pence, both Christian Taliban EndTimers waiting for Rapture caused by conflagration in Middle East.

[TheGreatYacht]

Israel Strikes Iraqi Popular Forces

https://youtu.be/hFYg6zqfG80

[Winehole23]

A single vote contrary to Trump's wishes is considered total disloyalty


According to The Washington Post, a senior White House official said the administration would not be returning Gaetz’s communications, “smoke signals or his kneelings in the snow” after his “super uncool” and “quite unwise” push for other Republicans to reclaim “Congressional power” as the “Constitutional conservative position” in an email.

“The Trump administration was disappointed in the congressman’s vote and is hopeful that as the president’s foreign policy continues to unfold, he will reconsider his points of view,” head of legislative affairs for the White House, Eric Ueland, told the Post.https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-icing-out-rep-matt-gaetz-after-he-pushed-lawmakers-to-limit-trumps-iran-power-wapo

[boutons_deux]

A single vote contrary to Trump's wishes is considered total disloyalty

.https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-icing-out-rep-matt-gaetz-after-he-pushed-lawmakers-to-limit-trumps-iran-power-wapo

Trash's CREEP will spend $Ms to punish/purge Gaetz

[DMC]

So many posters here are like mini media outlets, putting out op ed pieces rapid fire with not much room for discourse. It's like the pot boiled down, the creme evaporated and all that's left is the scum that stuck to the pan.

[boutons_deux]

‘Damning Admission’:

Chris Hayes Calls Out Reports That Trump Linked Soleimani Airstrike to Shoring Up GOP Support Against Impeachment Trial

two recent news stories, one in the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/us/politics/trump-campaign-suleimani.html) and one in the Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-new-national-security-team-made-fast-work-of-iran-strike-11578619195), that reported

Trump himself has privately admitted that

the idea of preventing Senate GOP defections colored his decision to attack and kill Soleimani.
he almost started a war with Iran to shore up Republican votes in the Senate for his impeachment trial.

What a damning admission by the man himself.”

two main possibilities,” Hayes concluded.

“One is this. This was a good faith action taken by the president with the national interest in mind.

The other is that

this was done for the president’s political survival.

And you get to decide which one it is.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/damning-admission-chris-hayes-calls-out-reports-that-trump-linked-soleimani-airstrike-to-shoring-up-gop-support-against-impeachment-trial/

[DMC]

:lol MSNBC

[DMX7]

In fairness to Trump, he showed restraint after the attacks on the Saudi oil facilities and after our surveillance droid was shot down.

[DMC]

In fairness to Trump, he showed restraint after the attacks on the Saudi oil facilities and after our surveillance droid was shot down.

Iran tripped over their own dicks and now look like fools to the world.

[boutons_deux]

In fairness to Trump, he showed restraint after the attacks on the Saudi oil facilities and after our surveillance droid was shot down.

Iran claimed it was in their air space, and CIA probably confirmed that to Trash.

Iran showed restraint when US shot down an Iran airliner.

[DMX7]

Iran claimed it was in their air space, and CIA probably confirmed that to Trash.

Iran showed restraint when US shot down an Iran airliner.

Iran just spent the past few days denying it was even possible for them to have shot down the passenger jet until it became impossible to continue denying it.

So you really believe Iran on that claim about the drone? US was looking to prevent commercial ships from being attacked by Iran and those ships sail in international water; seems logical to me that the drone would have been in international waters to monitor those ships.

[DMX7]

Iran tripped over their own dicks and now look like fools to the world.

Our relationship with Canada has never been worse. There are actually people in the media there suggesting US has some blame in this.

[boutons_deux]

The Wall Street Journal accidentally reveals the unbearable truth about Soleimani’s assassination

It would be unbearable

to think the president ordered a man dead in order to give Republican Senators a means of defending him against an indictment for abuse of power and obstruction.

It would be unthinkable

for him to bring America to the brink of war in order to create an image of a “war president” too indispensable to remove.

. Nearly 30 paragraphs into a 2,200-word story (http://email.mg1.substack.com/c/eJwlUNuKwyAQ_Zr6ZlCbavLgQ2HZ3wgTnbRujQadEPL3a1sYmC tzLg4IH7mclrAS2yuWKXjLvBVGOTOzUKelIK4QomXbPsfggEJO 7ysplGZPe1vmfvQatJlHGKT2cvC9uPbKa92PINmWK02w-4DJoc0pntMGwbNon0RbvVzvF_Xb4jiO7qh_nctr66BQcBFrK6n s61Z5woOnDzpEXtHtJdDJCWHlK3jkC1TiRy4vnhceCiReqYQXc ilvZtBylOONBauEEkJKIY0c1NDJzohemPGq72IwP_1wv_Rifci u7nMlcK83H1bsX36mBpDxWdrB4-3IZ9NMmVpe99TYTJhgjuhto4yMvq5-9NO5oW0KakQiLN9hM1EpoY1gDczn9jPZL8Q_nt2K3g), they said:

Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates

he was under pressure

to deal with :lol

Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators

he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate,

associates said (my italics).


Now, these are unnamed sources. They were speaking on background. In isolation, I wouldn’t make much of this.

But in context, it matters—so much so, it warrants its own reporting, which we have not yet seen.

That context would be the absence of legitimate non-political reasons for ordering Soleimani’s death.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/the-wall-street-journal-accidentally-reveals-the-unbearable-truth-about-soleimanis-assassination/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3451&recip_id=298460&list_id=1

iow, there were no REAL reasons to assassinate Salamander, but only Trash trying to save his murderous, corrupt, fraudulent fat ass

176 people dead so Trash could obtain Repug Senators' support against impeachment.

[TheGreatYacht]

The Wall Street Journal accidentally reveals the unbearable truth about Soleimani’s assassination

It would be unbearable

to think the president ordered a man dead in order to give Republican Senators a means of defending him against an indictment for abuse of power and obstruction.

It would be unthinkable

for him to bring America to the brink of war in order to create an image of a “war president” too indispensable to remove.

. Nearly 30 paragraphs into a 2,200-word story (http://email.mg1.substack.com/c/eJwlUNuKwyAQ_Zr6ZlCbavLgQ2HZ3wgTnbRujQadEPL3a1sYmC tzLg4IH7mclrAS2yuWKXjLvBVGOTOzUKelIK4QomXbPsfggEJO 7ysplGZPe1vmfvQatJlHGKT2cvC9uPbKa92PINmWK02w-4DJoc0pntMGwbNon0RbvVzvF_Xb4jiO7qh_nctr66BQcBFrK6n s61Z5woOnDzpEXtHtJdDJCWHlK3jkC1TiRy4vnhceCiReqYQXc ilvZtBylOONBauEEkJKIY0c1NDJzohemPGq72IwP_1wv_Rifci u7nMlcK83H1bsX36mBpDxWdrB4-3IZ9NMmVpe99TYTJhgjuhto4yMvq5-9NO5oW0KakQiLN9hM1EpoY1gDczn9jPZL8Q_nt2K3g), they said:

Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates

he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators

he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate,

associates said (my italics).


Now, these are unnamed sources. They were speaking on background. In isolation, I wouldn’t make much of this.

But in context, it matters—so much so, it warrants its own reporting, which we have not yet seen.

That context would be the absence of legitimate non-political reasons for ordering Soleimani’s death.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/the-wall-street-journal-accidentally-reveals-the-unbearable-truth-about-soleimanis-assassination/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3451&recip_id=298460&list_id=1

iow, there were no REAL reasons to assassinate Salamander, but only Trash trying to save his murderous, corrupt, fraudulent fat ass

176 people dead so Trash could obtain Repug Senators' support against impeachment.



Yup. If Trump doesn't cave in to the pressures from the war mongers and neocons around him, those 176 innocent souls would still be alive.

[boutons_deux]

‘They have no idea what they have done’:

Terrorist groups in Africa now vowing revenge on US after Suleimani killing

Trump’s decision to eliminate Iranian general Qassim Suleimani could have far-reaching consequences

the Islamic Movement of Nigeria (IMN), a West African group of Shi’a converts formed in the wake of the Iranian revolution of 1979, has sworn vengeance against the United States for the assassination.

Suleimani was an “ardent anti-imperialist who gave the United States of America and their stooges in the region sleepless nights,” and

his mission against America would be “accomplished

by his brothers, children, and students from resistance men and mujahideen

from all the peoples of the world that reject humiliation and submission to the tyrants of this century.”

“America will pay for the killing of Soleimani,”

“They have no idea what they have done.”

Somalia’s al-Shabab group killed an American serviceman and two contractors at a military installation in Northern Kenya.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/they-have-no-idea-what-they-have-done-terrorist-groups-in-africa-now-vowing-revenge-on-us-after-suleimani-killing/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3451 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/they-have-no-idea-what-they-have-done-terrorist-groups-in-africa-now-vowing-revenge-on-us-after-suleimani-killing/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3451)

But at least assassin Trash got support from Repug Senators

[hater]

Iran tripped over their own dicks and now look like fools to the world.

keep telling yourself that nancy :rolleyes

even Israeli media are saying Iran has shown capability to cause major damage to US and Israel

1) Iran can hit their target within 3 meter accuracy
2) Their missiles cannot be stopped by US AA system

[boutons_deux]

Trump spokesman tries to defend Iran strike by attacking Obama —

and it blows up in his face

Hogan Gidley :lol

(principal deputy press secretary to Trump) reiterated the administration’s

“imminent attacks” assertion without evidence,

but he then went on to hit back at critics by saying that

when President Barack Obama “killed” al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and Libyan dictator Moammar Gadaffi,

he did so “without congressional approval.”

the late Libyan dictator, “was not killed by the United States” —

and the 2011 operation that killed bin Laden, according to Desiderio, came under the

Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF).

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/trump-spokesman-tries-to-defend-iran-strike-by-attacking-obama-and-it-blows-up-in-his-face/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3451 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/trump-spokesman-tries-to-defend-iran-strike-by-attacking-obama-and-it-blows-up-in-his-face/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3451)

So now Trash "likes Obama" to justify murdering Salamader? :lol

[boutons_deux]

U.S. STRIKE ON IRANIAN COMMANDER IN YEMEN THE NIGHT OF SULEIMANI’S ASSASSINATION

KILLED THE WRONG MAN

ON THE NIGHT the U.S. assassinated Iranian Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani by drone strike,

the U.S. launched a similar operation to kill a top Iranian commander in Yemen, a U.S. official told The Intercept.

The operation was aimed at killing Abdul Reza Shahlai, the commander of the Yemen division of Iran’s elite Quds Force, near the Yemeni capital Sana’a.

Shahlai survived,

but a lower-level Quds Force operative was killed, and Shahlai went into hiding, the official said.

Shortly thereafter, Iranian state TV reportedly announced the death of a Quds Force operative named Mohammad Mirza in “one of the fields of Resistance Front.”

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/10/us-strike-abdul-reza-shahlai-yemen/?utm_source=The+Intercept+Newsletter&utm_campaign=63cca9a438-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e00a5122d3-63cca9a438-133929861 (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/10/us-strike-abdul-reza-shahlai-yemen/?utm_source=The+Intercept+Newsletter&utm_campaign=63cca9a438-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e00a5122d3-63cca9a438-133929861)

[boutons_deux]

TV PUNDITS PRAISING SULEIMANI ASSASSINATION NEGLECT TO DISCLOSE TIES TO ARMS INDUSTRY

https://theintercept.imgix.net/wp-uploads/sites/1/2020/01/TV-Pundits-Praising-Suleimani-02-1578352619.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&q=90&fit=crop&w=1440&h=720

the only domestic industry that stands to gain from increased violence.

Jack Keane, a retired Army general,

Van Hipp, chair of the lobbying firm American Defense International,

David Petraeus, the retired general

John Negroponte, a former State Department official who now serves as vice chair (https://maglobal.com/team/john-d-negroponte/) of the defense and aerospace lobbying firm

Jeh Johnson, former Homeland Security secretary in the Obama administration,

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/06/iran-suleimani-tv-pundits-weapons-industry/?utm_source=The+Intercept+Newsletter&utm_campaign=63cca9a438-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e00a5122d3-63cca9a438-133929861 (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/06/iran-suleimani-tv-pundits-weapons-industry/?utm_source=The+Intercept+Newsletter&utm_campaign=63cca9a438-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e00a5122d3-63cca9a438-133929861)

and Sewer Varney / FOX was giddy about MIC stocks spiking

[Spurs Homer]

The Wall Street Journal accidentally reveals the unbearable truth about Soleimani’s assassination

It would be unbearable

to think the president ordered a man dead in order to give Republican Senators a means of defending him against an indictment for abuse of power and obstruction.

It would be unthinkable

for him to bring America to the brink of war in order to create an image of a “war president” too indispensable to remove.

. Nearly 30 paragraphs into a 2,200-word story (http://email.mg1.substack.com/c/eJwlUNuKwyAQ_Zr6ZlCbavLgQ2HZ3wgTnbRujQadEPL3a1sYmC tzLg4IH7mclrAS2yuWKXjLvBVGOTOzUKelIK4QomXbPsfggEJO 7ysplGZPe1vmfvQatJlHGKT2cvC9uPbKa92PINmWK02w-4DJoc0pntMGwbNon0RbvVzvF_Xb4jiO7qh_nctr66BQcBFrK6n s61Z5woOnDzpEXtHtJdDJCWHlK3jkC1TiRy4vnhceCiReqYQXc ilvZtBylOONBauEEkJKIY0c1NDJzohemPGq72IwP_1wv_Rifci u7nMlcK83H1bsX36mBpDxWdrB4-3IZ9NMmVpe99TYTJhgjuhto4yMvq5-9NO5oW0KakQiLN9hM1EpoY1gDczn9jPZL8Q_nt2K3g), they said:

Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates

he was under pressure

to deal with :lol

Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators

he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate,

associates said (my italics).


Now, these are unnamed sources. They were speaking on background. In isolation, I wouldn’t make much of this.

But in context, it matters—so much so, it warrants its own reporting, which we have not yet seen.

That context would be the absence of legitimate non-political reasons for ordering Soleimani’s death.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/the-wall-street-journal-accidentally-reveals-the-unbearable-truth-about-soleimanis-assassination/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3451&recip_id=298460&list_id=1

iow, there were no REAL reasons to assassinate Salamander, but only Trash trying to save his murderous, corrupt, fraudulent fat ass

176 people dead so Trash could obtain Repug Senators' support against impeachment.



trump assassinates iran govt official

republican senators acquit trump


=

quid pro quo

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump Murdered Qassim Suleimani

DONALD TRUMP HAS DRAGGED America into a moral abyss.

And yet Congress, the press, and the public are unwilling to admit that we are now standing in blood.

The nation is enabling a murderous demagogue, and we are all complicit.

The president of the United States has murdered a high-ranking official of a foreign government.

The assassination last week of Iranian Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani was a state-sponsored murder.

But no one in the Washington establishment seems prepared to come out and say the hard truth:

Donald Trump is a murderer.

This criminal moment has been a long time coming.

(https://theintercept.com/2020/01/03/qassim-suleimani-assassination-trump-administration-war/)The United States has an assassination ban. :lol

The ban was put in place following disclosures by the Church Committee in the 1970s,

which revealed that the CIA had secretly attempted to kill a series of foreign leaders, most notably Cuba’s Fidel Castro.

For the last two decades, both Republican and Democratic presidents have worked quietly to skirt the assassination ban

in order to take advantage of new aviation, missile guidance, and surveillance technologies to find and kill individuals all over the world.

To launch targeted killings without violating the assassination ban,

presidents have counted on compliant government lawyers to issue secret legal opinions that rubber-stamped their actions.

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/09/donald-trump-iran-suleimani-murder/?utm_source=The+Intercept+Newsletter&utm_campaign=63cca9a438-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e00a5122d3-63cca9a438-133929861 (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/09/donald-trump-iran-suleimani-murder/?utm_source=The+Intercept+Newsletter&utm_campaign=63cca9a438-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e00a5122d3-63cca9a438-133929861)

[boutons_deux]

10 Ways Trump's Actions Against Iran Hurt the US, the Region, and the World

1. The first result of Trump’s blunders may be an increase in U.S. war deaths across the greater Middle East.

2. U.S. acts of war in Iraq have injected even more volatility and instability into an already war-torn and explosive region.

3. Trump’s attacks on Iran may actually embolden (https://www.businessinsider.com/fighting-between-iran-us-may-help-isis-revival-in-iraq-2020-1) a common enemy, the Islamic State, which can take advantage of the chaos created in Iraq.

4. Iran has announced it is withdrawing from all the restrictions on enriching uranium that were part of the 2015 JCPOA nuclear agreement.

5. Trump’s blunders have destroyed what little influence the U.S. had with the Iraqi government.

6. Another inevitable consequence of Trump’s failed Iran policy is that it strengthens conservative, hard-line factions in Iran.

7. Trump’s blunders may be the last straw for U.S. friends and allies who have stuck with the U.S. through 20 years of inflammatory and destructive U.S. foreign policy.

8. U.S. actions in Iraq violate international, domestic and Iraqi law, setting the stage for a world of ever greater lawlessness.

9. Trump’s aggressive moves strengthen the weapons makers.

10. Any further escalation between the U.S. and Iran could be catastrophic for the world economy

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/10/10-ways-trumps-actions-against-iran-hurt-us-region-and-world?cd-origin=rss&utm_term=AO&utm_campaign=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_content=email&utm_source=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Email

[boutons_deux]

exemplifying a total lack of charm, Trash tries an Iran-insulting charm offensive! :lol

and in Persian language!

Trump addresses the people of Iran: ‘I’ve stood with you since the beginning of my presidency’

“To the brave, long-suffering people of Iran: :lol

I’ve stood with you since the beginning of my Presidency, :lol

and my Administration will continue to stand with you,” :lol

Trump claimed,

despite imposing sanctions ... have been devastating for the people of Iran.

“We are following your protests closely, and are inspired by your courage,” :lol

Trump said, take a far different tone than he uses for protesters in his own country.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/trump-addresses-the-people-of-iran-ive-stood-with-you-since-the-beginning-of-my-presidency/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/trump-addresses-the-people-of-iran-ive-stood-with-you-since-the-beginning-of-my-presidency/)

How about lots more of those CHARMING sanctions on Iran! :lol

[boutons_deux]

https://whowhatwhy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/American_Cultural_Sites_Ted_Rall_1088x725-700x470.jpg

[boutons_deux]

All the Times the US Allied With Soleimani Against Common Enemies, Giving Him Air Support at Tikrit

Soleimani played a key role in helping defeat ISIL in Iraq,

where he was a de facto and

even tactical U.S. ally.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/11/all-times-us-allied-soleimani-against-common-enemies-giving-him-air-support-tikrit?cd-origin=rss (https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/11/all-times-us-allied-soleimani-against-common-enemies-giving-him-air-support-tikrit?cd-origin=rss)

[boutons_deux]

So many turds floating around Trash's toilet

Blackwater founder Erik Prince pushed Trump allies to assassinate Gen. Suleimani: Mueller documents

“Erik Prince, the Blackwater-founder-turned-unofficial-2016-Trump-campaign-adviser,

advocated to the campaign years ago for the killing of Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani,

“Prince made the pitch in a memo emailed to Steve Bannon, then running the conservative website Breitbart,

who forwarded the memo to then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski,” CNN explained.

“It’s not clear whether the message reached Trump, but

Prince’s outreach on foreign policy later got him audiences with future national security adviser Michael Flynn and Donald Trump Jr.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-pushed-trump-allies-to-assassinate-gen-suleimani-mueller-documents/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-pushed-trump-allies-to-assassinate-gen-suleimani-mueller-documents/)

[CosmicCowboy]

Iran claimed it was in their air space, and CIA probably confirmed that to Trash.

Iran showed restraint when US shot down an Iran airliner.
You are an incredibly stupid fuckup, Boukaki.

[MultiTroll]

Trump himself has privately admitted that...…..


two main possibilities,” Hayes concluded.
1. If it is a private conversation by the POTUS who is the leaking blabber?

2. Hayes speculated, he didn't "conclude" off a huge hearsay.

But it aligns with your Trump hate so you run with it.

[tlongII]

Boutons wrong. Again.

[Momo]

So many turds floating around Trash's toilet

Blackwater founder Erik Prince pushed Trump allies to assassinate Gen. Suleimani: Mueller documents

“Erik Prince, the Blackwater-founder-turned-unofficial-2016-Trump-campaign-adviser,

advocated to the campaign years ago for the killing of Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani,

“Prince made the pitch in a memo emailed to Steve Bannon, then running the conservative website Breitbart,

who forwarded the memo to then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski,” CNN explained.

“It’s not clear whether the message reached Trump, but

Prince’s outreach on foreign policy later got him audiences with future national security adviser Michael Flynn and Donald Trump Jr.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-pushed-trump-allies-to-assassinate-gen-suleimani-mueller-documents/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-pushed-trump-allies-to-assassinate-gen-suleimani-mueller-documents/)



It's just going downhill for you. The world is a shitty place now. You can end it all.

[hater]

boutons has some good points tbqh and its triggering the repub snowflakes

USA downed an iranian commercial plane with the 300 on board and never apologized for it

good point boutons :tu

[Spurtacular]

boutons has some good points tbqh and its triggering the repub snowflakes

USA downed an iranian commercial plane with the 300 on board and never apologized for it

good point boutons :tu

Iran general targets and kills Americans. USA kills him. Iran response: Shoot down a civilian airliner.

:lol This is the Democrats' dog in the race right now.

[pgardn]

Iran general targets and kills Americans. USA kills him. Iran response: Shoot down a civilian airliner.

:lol This is the Democrats' dog in the race right now.

Im sure the ‘Great Boutons’ will be pleased to know a Putin-Assad apologist agrees with him.

[pgardn]

Iran general targets and kills Americans. USA kills him. Iran response: Shoot down a civilian airliner.:lol This is the Democrats' dog in the race right now.Im sure the ‘Great Boutons’ will be pleased to know a Putin-Assad apologist agrees with him.

[Spurtacular]

Im sure the ‘Great Boutons’ will be pleased to know a Putin-Assad apologist agrees with him.

How many layers of narrative is that, cuck garden?

[hater]

Iran general targets and kills Americans. USA kills him. Iran response: Shoot down a civilian airliner.

:lol This is the Democrats' dog in the race right now.

war is war ma niga

americans need to stop crying when their boys get killed in war

grow the fuck up america war is war and nigas get killed

[hater]

some peeps gotta be some stupid motherfuckers to believe you can conquer entire countries without losing a single jiga

[Spurtacular]

war is war ma niga

americans need to stop crying when their boys get killed in war

grow the fuck up america war is war and nigas get killed

Don't hold your breath. Americans believes that they're being "protected".

[Spurtacular]

some peeps gotta be some stupid motherfuckers to believe you can conquer entire countries without losing a single jiga

Nobody believes that. But the number is way down from hundreds of thousands to hundreds based on superior technology.

But yea, the media will cry about that all day if it's a repub in the White House.

[hater]

Nobody believes that. But the number is way down from hundreds of thousands to hundreds based on superior technology.

But yea, the media will cry about that all day if it's a repub in the White House.

you have to first accept the media calling Solemani a murderer of americans a BS story line

thats bullshit. he did fight in Iraq for the Shia rebellion but that was war

war is war. you cannot call a soldier killing enemies on the battle field a terrorist or a murderer. you just cannot

otherwise we need to call the thousands of US soldiers that come back from tours in Iraq and Afghanistan fucking murdering bastards and worthy of a drone attack

[Spurtacular]

you have to first accept the media calling Solemani a murderer of americans a BS story line

thats bullshit. he did fight in Iraq for the Shia rebellion but that was war

war is war. you cannot call a soldier killing enemies on the battle field a terrorist or a murderer. you just cannot

otherwise we need to call the thousands of US soldiers that come back from tours in Iraq and Afghanistan fucking murdering bastards and worthy of a drone attack

Could be. I stopped trying to track every media lie. I just don't have the time. You saying he's made no kills in "peace time"?

[hater]

Could be. I stopped trying to track every media lie. I just don't have the time. You saying he's made no kills in "peace time"?

he actualky fought alongside US generals in peacetime

in afghanistan

[Spurtacular]

he actualky fought alongside US generals in peacetime

in afghanistan

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Donald Trump's assassination of Iran's equivalent of a U.S. vice president, General Qassim Soleimani, accomplished several things:

1. It significantly helped the criminal and mass murderer Benjamin Netanyahu's chances of winning re-election and staying out of prison.

2. It almost guarantees that the CIA/Mossad terrorist organization ISIS will be reborn, as it gives a new generation of Arabs a reason to hate the United States.

3. It destroys whatever peace plan Iran and Saudi Arabia were negotiating and keeps the Middle East in turmoil, which facilitates the expansionist plans of Zionist Israel.

4. It rekindles the instability and unrest in Iraq, makes the U.S. presence there a violation of International Law and War Crime and helps to keep the fires of the "war on terror" burning.

5. It makes it much easier for Republican senators to vote against Trump's impeachment conviction, as it gives the rabid right wing meat-eaters (aka warmongers) the blood of the number two ranking Iranian official to feast on.

6. It puts giant question marks in the minds of state officials worldwide as to Trump's willingness to murder foreign leaders with impunity, which adds more fuel to the East/West divide and keeps the CFR globalists VERY HAPPY.

7. It almost totally distracts attention away from the biggest tyrannical assault against the liberties of the American people here at home since King George sent British troops to seize the firearms of the people in Lexington and Concord that is taking place RIGHT NOW in Virginia.

Does no one notice that this so-called pro-Second Amendment president, Donald Trump, has said absolutely NOTHING about the attempts of the Virginia State government to ban and confiscate the semi-automatic rifles AND pistols from the people of Virginia?

Instead of conducting a rally in Ohio and everywhere else, why doesn't Trump go to Virginia and rally the people against the draconian, tyrannical gun control laws that are being enacted? It's because Trump is a total PHONY and has no intention of standing in the way of gun confiscation laws in the U.S.

In fact, Trump is the loudest voice in the country IN SUPPORT of "red flag" gun confiscation laws. And Trump supporters know it; and they DON'T CARE.

Make no mistake: Virginia is a TEST. If tyranny (statewide gun registration, confiscation, ban on private sales, etc.) prevails in the land of Lee and Jackson, it will begin sweeping across the entire country. Lawmakers and governors in SEVERAL states are just waiting for it to succeed in Virginia, so they can propose it in their states.

Yep! The assassination of General Soleimani accomplished a LOT. Don't you feel safer???

- Chuck Baldwin

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2954672304543674&id=226997970644468

[boutons_deux]

"seize the firearms of the people in Lexington and Concord that is taking place RIGHT NOW in Virginia."

:lol goddamn, gun fellators / 2nd Amendment perverts are FUCKING STUPID

[Winehole23]

Mark Esper basically admits all the stuff about imminent attacks and threatened US embassies was bullshit:

1216388449743310848

[boutons_deux]

"Soleimani was a legit target"

... which means Esper, all the US Admirals, Generals, ambassadors, chiefs of staff are legit targets.

iow, the predatory, destructive, murderous American Empire can "legitimately" assassinate any foreign govt official, but Americans govt officials are not legit targets.

[DMC]

The word "believe" doesn't necessarily mean "guess" or "suppose" as some seem to be implying. In order for sane people to believe they need compelling evidence. Just because that evidence isn't presented to doubters doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'd hope the intel community doesn't burn their sources just to appease the MSM.

[TheGreatYacht]

"Soleimani was a legit target"

... which means Esper, all the US Admirals, Generals, ambassadors, chiefs of staff are legit targets.

iow, the predatory, destructive, murderous American Empire can "legitimately" assassinate any foreign govt official, but Americans govt officials are not legit targets.




America and the Zionists are the kings of double standards. They are above the law.

[Spurs Homer]

Funny how - in 3 years of criminal activity-

trump commits the crime

gets caught

lies about it - begins the cover up- muddies the issue/crime

his cult goes to work and become complicit in his crime

the people overthink the shit out of all the spaghetti on the wall

the world moves on- waiting for the next crime and cover up



when any intelligent human could stop and use reasonable judgement and conclude:


we have a fraudulently elected/installed criminal in the oval office who will always - always- 24/7:

1) lie
2) lie
3) lie









4) commit crimes
5) see 1,2,3 above
6) cover up his crimes
7) deny deflect whatabout his ass- and basically do exactly what russians trained him to do
8) after the idiots (us) exhaust themselves and he gets away with it


go back to -1-
rinse -repeat


3 plus years of this - and idiots want ANOTHER 4 years of this criminality

”please- please - fuck us again - please treat us like stupid idiots again - we beg you- please”

[Spurs Homer]

The word "believe" doesn't necessarily mean "guess" or "suppose" as some seem to be implying. In order for sane people to believe they need compelling evidence. Just because that evidence isn't presented to doubters doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'd hope the intel community doesn't burn their sources just to appease the MSM.


translation: “i hereby declare that I believe the words of the biggest-most prolific liar on the planet and i admit it”


:lol

[DMC]

Some of you think Trump has control of a predator drone and is monitoring the feed. He was given the intel, given the advice and briefed on the situation on the ground. He made a call. Some of you act like Trump commanded the military to go after someone for basically no reason "find me someone, someone big, I need a story".

Some of you are equivocating due to confirmation bias.

[Spurminator]

The word "believe" doesn't necessarily mean "guess" or "suppose" as some seem to be implying. In order for sane people to believe they need compelling evidence. Just because that evidence isn't presented to doubters doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'd hope the intel community doesn't burn their sources just to appease the MSM.

:lmao Mark Esper is the Secretary of Defense. Is there any point at which this becomes so ridiculous that even you won't compromise your integrity to defend it?

[pgardn]

How many layers of narrative is that, cuck garden?

Too many quotes from posters for you to keep up snowflaker incel.
Do women like you? (Another narrative)

[pgardn]

We are given a specific number of embassies and the evidence:

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said he "didn't see" specific evidence that top Iranian military commander Qassem Soleimani was planning attacks on four U.S. embassies (https://apple.news/ArCDfuTVzTyqwEpDdtFSRzQ), but said he believed such attacks would have occurred.
"The president didn't cite a specific piece of evidence. What he said was he believed," Esper said Sunday on "Face the Nation." "I didn't see one, with regard to four embassies. What I'm saying is that I shared the president's view that probably — my expectation was they were going to go after our embassies. The embassies are the most prominent display of American presence in a country."
Bunch of liars.


Next time just say 6, seems like a good number.

[pgardn]

We are given a specific number of embassies and the evidence:

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said he "didn't see" specific evidence that top Iranian military commander Qassem Soleimani was planning attacks on four U.S. embassies (https://apple.news/ArCDfuTVzTyqwEpDdtFSRzQ), but said he believed such attacks would have occurred.
"The president didn't cite a specific piece of evidence. What he said was he believed," Esper said Sunday on "Face the Nation." "I didn't see one, with regard to four embassies. What I'm saying is that I shared the president's view that probably — my expectation was they were going to go after our embassies. The embassies are the most prominent display of American presence in a country."
Bunch of liars.


Next time just say 6, seems like a good number.
ok... Why do you believe it’s 4 embassies and not 8?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol dem DMC backflips

[boutons_deux]

Trash assassinating Salamander makes US military, embassies, overseas personnel LESS safe.

[DMC]

We are given a specific number of embassies and the evidence:

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said he "didn't see" specific evidence that top Iranian military commander Qassem Soleimani was planning attacks on four U.S. embassies (https://apple.news/ArCDfuTVzTyqwEpDdtFSRzQ), but said he believed such attacks would have occurred.
"The president didn't cite a specific piece of evidence. What he said was he believed," Esper said Sunday on "Face the Nation." "I didn't see one, with regard to four embassies. What I'm saying is that I shared the president's view that probably — my expectation was they were going to go after our embassies. The embassies are the most prominent display of American presence in a country."
Bunch of liars.


Next time just say 6, seems like a good number.
ok... Why do you believe it’s 4 embassies and not 8?

So you have evidence to the contrary?

[pgardn]

So you have evidence to the contrary?

You make the claim, you defend it.
Dont be an idiot.

[DMC]

:lmao Mark Esper is the Secretary of Defense. Is there any point at which this becomes so ridiculous that even you won't compromise your integrity to defend it?

Face it: you started off with the belief it was "wag the dog". Everything since then has been, to you, the administration trying to disprove that, and if that's the case they have failed. I haven't defended anything. I trust people I know who are in the area more than a bunch of liberal arts majors on a basketball forum. The truth will out, but it might be lost in the noise of propaganda from all sides, with shills and hater and Great Floating Turd :lol running disinformation spam posting as fast as they can. Eventually you're going to settle on your confirmation bias, as always. Either way, the asshole is dead, no US casualties and Iranians are calling for the resignation of their leadership. Keep trying to pull an L out of the W though.

[DMC]

You make the claim, you defend it.
Dont be an idiot.

You called liar. Calling someone a liar means you have evidence to the contrary. I didn't make any claims.

[pgardn]

You called liar. Calling someone a liar means you have evidence to the contrary. I didn't make any claims.

No calling someone a liar means they are making an effort to deceive.

You....
Going Mrs. Crutchfield again when you can’t defend the subject.

[pgardn]

You called liar. Calling someone a liar means you have evidence to the contrary. I didn't make any claims.

No calling someone a liar means they are making an effort to deceive.

You....
Going Mrs. Crutchfield again when you can’t defend the subject.

[pgardn]

I got stung by bees .

I got stung by four bees.

Do I need to walk you through this?

[DMC]

No calling someone a liar means they are making an effort to deceive.

You're leaving out the "untrue statement" part of the definition. Explain what the untrue statement is, and how you know it's untrue.


You....
Going Mrs. Crutchfield again when you can’t defend the subject.
I don't need to defend anything to see you haven't made a case yet.

[DMC]

I got stung by bees .

I got stung by four bees.

Do I need to walk you through this?

Yes please walk me through the bees analogy.

[pgardn]

Yes please walk me through the bees analogy.

when you compare the two statements the second implies you have evidence to a specific number.
the trump admin. used a specific number yet has zero evidence to back up the claim which could easily be given.

This implies they are attempting to deceive

Its really not that difficult, YOU.

btw I have called you Mrs. Crutchfield numerous times due to your aversion to facts when you make stupid statements and fall back on language (on a fckn message board which I find humorous)

[DMC]

when you compare the two statements the second implies you have evidence to a specific number.
the trump admin. used a specific number yet has zero evidence to back up the claim which could easily be given.

This implies they are attempting to deceive

Its really not that difficult, YOU.

btw I have called you Mrs. Crutchfield numerous times due to your aversion to facts when you make stupid statements and fall back on language (on a fckn message board which I find humorous)

I don't give 2 shits about your silly ad homs.

If you had evidence I was only stung by 2 bees but I insisted it was 4, you'd want to see the evidence. The problem is you don't have any evidence to counter, you just didn't see evidence to support a claim. That doesn't equate to "liar". Not by your own definition.

Words matter in discussions like these. The word "believe" is being used both as a the 1st and 2nd definitions of the word.

be·lieve
/bəˈlēv/
Learn to pronounce
verb
verb: believe; 3rd person present: believes; past tense: believed; past participle: believed; gerund or present participle: believing
1.
accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of. (this implies "convinced" which implies "based on evidence")
"the superintendent believed Lancaster's story"
Similar:
be convinced by
trust

accept the statement of (someone) as true.
"he didn't believe her or didn't want to know"
have faith, especially religious faith.
"there are those on the fringes of the Church who do not really believe"
feel sure that (someone) is capable of a particular action.
"I wouldn't have believed it of Lois—what an extraordinary woman!"
2.
hold (something) as an opinion; think or suppose. (this is what you seem think Esper is implying)
"I believe we've already met"


In order to change your view and accept the 1st definition, you want to be looped into the inner circle of trust, so you can double check to make sure there was justifiable cause to kill a known terrorist. You won't be given that access, so you'll just continue accusing the administration of lying.

Oddly, Trump cannot make a phone call to another country without someone in the room ratting him out, but you think the entire group of Joint Chiefs, JSOC and SOCOM would all fall in line with a wag the dog move. Apparently you have the ability to believe improbable things without evidence, but need evidence to believe probable things - depending on who said it.

[TheGreatYacht]

Ex-US intel officer: Pompeo 'lying through his teeth' on Iran

https://youtu.be/L9X36QbLulg

Told ya :lol

[pgardn]

I don't give 2 shits about your silly ad homs.

If you had evidence I was only stung by 2 bees but I insisted it was 4, you'd want to see the evidence. The problem is you don't have any evidence to counter, you just didn't see evidence to support a claim. That doesn't equate to "liar". Not by your own definition.

Words matter in discussions like these. The word "believe" is being used both as a the 1st and 2nd definitions of the word.

be·lieve
/bəˈlēv/
Learn to pronounce
verb
verb: believe; 3rd person present: believes; past tense: believed; past participle: believed; gerund or present participle: believing
1.
accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of. (this implies "convinced" which implies "based on evidence")
"the superintendent believed Lancaster's story"
Similar:
be convinced by
trust

accept the statement of (someone) as true.
"he didn't believe her or didn't want to know"
have faith, especially religious faith.
"there are those on the fringes of the Church who do not really believe"
feel sure that (someone) is capable of a particular action.
"I wouldn't have believed it of Lois—what an extraordinary woman!"
2.
hold (something) as an opinion; think or suppose. (this is what you seem think Esper is implying)
"I believe we've already met"


In order to change your view and accept the 1st definition, you want to be looped into the inner circle of trust, so you can double check to make sure there was justifiable cause to kill a known terrorist. You won't be given that access, so you'll just continue accusing the administration of lying.

Oddly, Trump cannot make a phone call to another country without someone in the room ratting him out, but you think the entire group of Joint Chiefs, JSOC and SOCOM would all fall in line with a wag the dog move. Apparently you have the ability to believe improbable things without evidence, but need evidence to believe probable things - depending on who said it.

^This is certifiably awful. The bolded starts it all off. Its absolutely wrong.

I will again state the obvious.

When you give a specific number it implies you have evidence for THAT number instead of just using embass(ies).

When called on it, you do not give up the evidence that led you to this number instead of just a plural.
Because then you might have to name embassies. That would lead to more questions that involve the state dept and the dreaded DEEP STATE that has not been willing to lie along with you on everything.

Just say, if we gave you the names of the four embassies it could compromise intelligence entities. Then watch the backlash. Or actually probably get out of it. But Trump, as we know, is a blurter with his minions having to do an incredibly bad jobs of explaining (Just like you are trying to do)

Intentional deception in this situation is lying.
You ham that up by making a false statement to begin with..
Its not working. You really are playing a very poor sophist.

You really dont want to get philosophical on the word belief with me.
And you really dont want to get into how the brain might work to determine what to "believe" actually means neurologically.
so again, you can stop.

Nature Nurture boy.
Oh yeah I forgot. Your also the guy who believes wind speed is measured in Braille.

Oh my. I believe you invoked the art of personal attack in making an argument further up the page.
Again, your hypocrisy must make your skeleton ache if you have a conscience. philo

[boutons_deux]

‘Mark Esperanto is not a serious person’:

Defense secretary pounded for ‘astoundingly embarrassing’ Sunday show interviews

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/esper_cbs_screenshot.jpg

Esper insisted Trump “never said there was specific intelligence to four different embassies.”

“What the president said was he believed it probably could have been,” Espert told Tapper.

“He didn’t cite intelligence.”

Esper admitted he “didn’t see” evidence showing a plan to attack 4 U.S. embassies.

The whiplash wasn’t lost on viewers, who took to Twitter to express disbelief over Esper’s performance — and

questioned why anyone would believe the defense secretary in light of the Trump administration’s shifting cover for the attack.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/mark-esper-is-not-a-serious-person-defense-secretary-pounded-for-astoundingly-embarrassing-sunday-show-interviews/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/mark-esper-is-not-a-serious-person-defense-secretary-pounded-for-astoundingly-embarrassing-sunday-show-interviews/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump’s Iran Problem

The killing of General Qassem Suleimani has undermined the Trump Administration’s top goals in the Islamic Republic.

the Reagan Administration ordered Marine peacekeepers in Beirut to open fire on Muslim militias in the mountains overlooking the city.

U.S. ships fired more than three hundred rounds of seventy-pound shells. Geraghty later wrote, “As the sun set at the end of a tumultuous day, I remarked to members of my staff that my gut instinct tells me the Corps is going to pay in blood for this decision.”

On October 23rd, a suicide bomber drove a truck loaded with twelve thousand pounds of explosives into the peacekeepers’ barracks.

Two hundred and forty-one Americans died.

The largest loss for the corps in a single incident since Iwo Jima was

carried out by a Lebanese group that became Hezbollah—

but it was orchestrated by Iran.

“The Iranians’ goal was to remove the marines and Western influence,” Geraghty recalled last week. “And they did.”

The United States proved in 1983 that it had a tactical advantage,

but Iran proved that it had a more wide-ranging strategy—as it has demonstrated repeatedly through the years.

The next four U.S. Presidents avoided a military showdown with the Islamic Republic,

even as its strategic advance across the region deepened.

The risks and the potential complications were deemed too great.

Trump’s decision has already had sweeping consequences—for the regional military balance, the campaign against isis and Al Qaeda, Iran’s nuclear program, and the unnerving political dysfunction in the Middle East.

The U.S.-led campaign against isis—which still has fourteen thousand fighters in Iraq and Syria—was suspended.

The Trump Administration’s top two goals in Iran have also been undermined.

For decades, successive Presidents have sought to prevent Tehran from developing a nuclear weapon.

two days after the killing of Suleimani, Iran said that it would no longer limit the number of centrifuges for enriching uranium.

For two years, the Trump Administration has also exerted “maximum pressure,” through sanctions and isolation, to force new concessions from Tehran.

the assassination of Suleimani reignited nationalism in Iran;

The United States has figured out how to react to a militia or to kill a commander, but it still hasn’t figured out how, creatively or proactively, to deal with the nation of Iran.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/01/20/donald-trumps-iran-problem?source=EDT_NYR_EDIT_NEWSLETTER_0_imagenews letter_Daily_ZZ&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_011220&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&esrc=&mbid=&utm_term=TNY_Daily

Helluva job, Trashie (and shitbags Pompeo and Pence), what bunch of incompetent, ignorant wankers

[DMC]

^This is certifiably awful. The bolded starts it all off. Its absolutely wrong.

I will again state the obvious.

When you give a specific number it implies you have evidence for THAT number instead of just using embass(ies).

When called on it, you do not give up the evidence that led you to this number instead of just a plural.
Because then you might have to name embassies. That would lead to more questions that involve the state dept and the dreaded DEEP STATE that has not been willing to lie along with you on everything.

Just say, if we gave you the names of the four embassies it could compromise intelligence entities. Then watch the backlash. Or actually probably get out of it. But Trump, as we know, is a blurter with his minions having to do an incredibly bad jobs of explaining (Just like you are trying to do)

Intentional deception in this situation is lying.
You ham that up by making a false statement to begin with..
Its not working. You really are playing a very poor sophist.

You really dont want to get philosophical on the word belief with me.
And you really dont want to get into how the brain might work to determine what to "believe" actually means neurologically.
so again, you can stop.

Nature Nurture boy.
Oh yeah I forgot. Your also the guy who believes wind speed is measured in Braille.

Oh my. I believe you invoked the art of personal attack in making an argument further up the page.
Again, your hypocrisy must make your skeleton ache if you have a conscience. philo

Being evasive != lying.

You haven't proved anyone lied.

Everything else you said was just autistic screeching and bloviating.

When you have something meaningful to say, let me know.

[boutons_deux]

American Impotence:

Trump's Assassination of Soleimani Masks Broad Retreat

No amount of propaganda can paint the assassination of Soleimani as more beneficial than damaging to American interests.

The assassination of Soleimani was itself a symptom of how limited American power has become in the Middle East.

When you have to resort to missiles fired from an MQ-9 Reaper to kill a state leader, you're signaling raw power,

but you're also signaling your bankrupt diplomacy. It shows.

The assassination will cost Iran tactically, but anyone is replaceable.

Soleimani's loss was, if anything, to Iran's strategic advantage,

a confirmation of its status as the power to be reckoned with in the Middle East

rather than as a nation anywhere near its heels.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/12/american-impotence-trumps-assassination-soleimani-masks-broad-retreat?cd-origin=rss

[boutons_deux]

Senators Say Laura Ingraham Got More Details About Soleimani Killing Than They Did


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/senators-laura-ingraham-more-details-soleimani-killing-embassies.html (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/senators-laura-ingraham-more-details-soleimani-killing-embassies.html)

[Spurs Homer]

Some of you think Trump has control of a predator drone and is monitoring the feed. He was given the intel, given the advice and briefed on the situation on the ground. He made a call. Some of you act like Trump commanded the military to go after someone for basically no reason "find me someone, someone big, I need a story".

Some of you are equivocating due to confirmation bias.

you are overthinking it - he has to distract every time he gets caught


3 years of this and you are still wracking your brain to force a square peg in a round hole -

all in the effort to turn the lies of the liar to fit your adoration and support of your great white hope


he got caught
he created a distraction at any cost as he has done for 3 years

[Spurs Homer]

^This is certifiably awful. The bolded starts it all off. Its absolutely wrong.

I will again state the obvious.

When you give a specific number it implies you have evidence for THAT number instead of just using embass(ies).

When called on it, you do not give up the evidence that led you to this number instead of just a plural.
Because then you might have to name embassies. That would lead to more questions that involve the state dept and the dreaded DEEP STATE that has not been willing to lie along with you on everything.

Just say, if we gave you the names of the four embassies it could compromise intelligence entities. Then watch the backlash. Or actually probably get out of it. But Trump, as we know, is a blurter with his minions having to do an incredibly bad jobs of explaining (Just like you are trying to do)

Intentional deception in this situation is lying.
You ham that up by making a false statement to begin with..
Its not working. You really are playing a very poor sophist.

You really dont want to get philosophical on the word belief with me.
And you really dont want to get into how the brain might work to determine what to "believe" actually means neurologically.
so again, you can stop.

Nature Nurture boy.
Oh yeah I forgot. Your also the guy who believes wind speed is measured in Braille.

Oh my. I believe you invoked the art of personal attack in making an argument further up the page.
Again, your hypocrisy must make your skeleton ache if you have a conscience. philo


you are on the right track here ^

but it gets worse-


esper tried that same shit on meet the press and when Todd followed up with

”were those four embassies warned and did have to follow protocol to protect from these attacks- because we have reached out and none of them were warned according to our reporting”


esper began his tap- dance routine on cue: “im not going to go into sensitive info.....”

even though dipshit liar in chief had already unclassified those particular lies lolol

[boutons_deux]

"you are overthinking it"

:lol :lol :lol :lol

rightwingnutjobs don't think, they run on bias, emotion, incuriosity, dictates of their thought dictators in the right wing hate media

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/theWr3tch/status/1216486330017947650

[pgardn]

Being evasive != lying.

You haven't proved anyone lied.

Everything else you said was just autistic screeching and bloviating.

When you have something meaningful to say, let me know.

You make awful arguments, you and I both know it.
And you know its lying. Stop with your endlessly poor sophistry.


I let you know.

[pgardn]

you are on the right track here ^

but it gets worse-


esper tried that same shit on meet the press and when Todd followed up with

”were those four embassies warned and did have to follow protocol to protect from these attacks- because we have reached out and none of them were warned according to our reporting”


esper began his tap- dance routine on cue: “im not going to go into sensitive info.....”

even though dipshit liar in chief had already unclassified those particular lies lolol

Oh shit thats even better way of checking.
They could have been in trouble.

But oh my, the Benghazi outrage. (contradiction)
Its so disingenuous, and its lying, and its incredibly stupid.

I dont really understand how they can say stuff in print or on the news and then just completely reverse it.
I will never forget Trump, before he was even the Republican candidate, saying he did not know who David Duke was; yet he had written a published article about Duke. He got called on it. Trump then repeated himself. And that was that. Forgotten.

[boutons_deux]

I read that Trash wanted to kill Salamander 2 years ago, but nobody back then told him how, now some neocon Repug sycophant did.

[boutons_deux]

Killing of Soleimani reflects an aggressive national security team not inclined to curb Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/killing-of-soleimani-reflects-an-aggressive-national-security-team-not-inclined-to-curb-trump/2020/01/12/a83f5346-333c-11ea-898f-eb846b7e9feb_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/killing-of-soleimani-reflects-an-aggressive-national-security-team-not-inclined-to-curb-trump/2020/01/12/a83f5346-333c-11ea-898f-eb846b7e9feb_story.html)

[DMC]

You make awful arguments, you and I both know it.
And you know its lying. Stop with your endlessly poor sophistry.


I let you know.

So your argument boils down to you're right and I know you're right. Great debate skills you have there bud.

[pgardn]

So your argument boils down to you're right and I know you're right. Great debate skills you have there bud.Pretty much. Because you started the stupidity.One just has to read the previous posts at this point.Your argument is horrible and you know it.Ive already explained why.

[boutons_deux]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r5821039607843045242&th=16f9eed1bab9900d&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ8KaWC6jugDTIFnlNb18_AO-fgdcHCdIfHztz0wchjykiFAwEg3CgvMy7_GH8BZGyL1b9E5p_4 uc3_egyrPHPy06qUGfagik1ZglJezgyeQMhL9ohkNTnCphk0&disp=emb&realattid=ii_k5cfswyv0

[TheGreatYacht]

POLL: Americans OPPOSE Trump's Iran Assassination

https://youtu.be/3mx0gRiWZhU

[Spurs Homer]

2 more dominoes fall...

1) trump team was already planning the assassination 7 months ago - Bolton was pushing for the assassination- but got fired before he could see it through

2) Media inquired with embassies allegedly under “imminent” attack by those evil terrorists - none of them had been warned of imminent strike lololol


oh but of course dear leader is not lying - he only lies when he opens his mouth

[SpursforSix]

I haven't seen much on this new attack at all. Nothing to see?

4 Iraqi servicemen hurt in rocket attack on Baghdad air base hosting American trainers

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rocket-attack-4-iraqi-servicemen-hurt-balad-air-base-hosting-american-trainers-2020-01-12/

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/shafei_d/status/1216668020845707271

[AaronY]

Please start this war you dumbfuck Republicans..Please start this war

1216823782159024128

[TheGreatYacht]

Did Tucker Carlson Just Save us from WORLD WAR?

https://youtu.be/cGyk6If2FMk

[pgardn]

Trump was destined to kill this guy at birth.

This WH is so fd up...

[pgardn]

Did Tucker Carlson Just Save us from WORLD WAR?

https://youtu.be/cGyk6If2FMk

Guy sponsored by Gold panic company.
Go figure.
Run, the world is ending again.

Guys like this nut have a platform because our president is so impulsive.
They try and out do Trumps erratic behavior.

[Blake]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/middleeast/iran-strike-al-asad-base-iraq-exclusive-intl/index.html

[boutons_deux]

Trash and mafiya were, have been, continue LYING

Murdering Salamander was nothing but Trash distracting the media from his impeachment

A Narrative Collapses as Trump Tweets: ‘It Doesn’t Really Matter’

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/trump-pelosi-schumer.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/trump-pelosi-schumer.html)

[boutons_deux]

Seb Gorka: ‘We Should Welcome’ Iran Attacks Because Trump Will ‘Unleash Holy Hell’

“Now there can be no question that Iran is a threat to national security.

Iran is an imminent danger to our country, our servicemen and women.

But they chose the wrong time with the wrong president.

This president will unleash holy hell on that regime.”

“There will be retaliation and it will be disproportionate,” Gorka added.

“We are not a superpower anymore.

We are a hyperpower.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/seb-gorka-says-we-should-welcome-iran-attacks-because-trump-will-unleash-holy-hell?via=twitter_page&fbclid=IwAR02bb2zLDbgSHWO5udwYxl0RNG0HbKoUVmxJ8FMG DTi81L7GKnOIhWD56I (https://www.thedailybeast.com/seb-gorka-says-we-should-welcome-iran-attacks-because-trump-will-unleash-holy-hell?via=twitter_page&fbclid=IwAR02bb2zLDbgSHWO5udwYxl0RNG0HbKoUVmxJ8FMG DTi81L7GKnOIhWD56I)

you armchair/keyboard warriors, does Gorka tickle some sensations in your balls and dicks,

your trigger finger twitch?

Gorka is just another racist turd floating in Trash's toilet.

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/756108/large/ScreenShot2020-01-13at7.57.09AM.png?1578931230

[boutons_deux]

Elizabeth Warren calls for investigation into legality of Trump tipping off Mar-a-Lago guests to Suleimani’s killing

Elizabeth Warren is calling for financial regulatory agencies to investigate whether President Trump broke the law when

he told guests at his Mar-a-Lago resort to expect something “big” in response to Iran’s killing of an American contractor in Iraq

“Individuals who were guests at President Trump’s resort may have obtained confidential market-moving information,” a letter Warren sent to agencies read.

“These private individuals …

would have had the opportunity to obtain significant profits

simply by being guests or members at President Trump’s private resort.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/elizabeth-warr​​​en-calls-for-investigation-into-legality-of-trump-tipping-off-mar-a-lago-guests-to-soleimanis-killing/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3479 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/elizabeth-warren-calls-for-investigation-into-legality-of-trump-tipping-off-mar-a-lago-guests-to-soleimanis-killing/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3479)

eg, buying MIC stocks that SPIKED on news of the assassination, and short selling other stocks.

[boutons_deux]

Trump reportedly held out for 15 minutes before deciding to assassinate Suleimani,

which is a whole 12 minutes longer than he lasted with Stormy Daniels.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/10/roaming-charges-all-the-pretty-missiles/ (https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/10/roaming-charges-all-the-pretty-missiles/)

[TheGreatYacht]

Trumps Stooges Comically Lie About Iran

https://youtu.be/ajjKtTbDLgI

[hater]

https://twitter.com/leloveluck/status/1218074019645263872?s=21

[hater]

USA caught lying again

best wishes for our brave troops :tu

https://twitter.com/todayshow/status/1218143873677103104?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/norfolk_nc/status/1218147094067724288?s=21

[hater]

they love us and our freedom :lol

https://twitter.com/shahrvandyar/status/1218148433808195584?s=21

[boutons_deux]

Trump tells Iran that political leaders must use precise language:

‘He should be very careful with his words’

For the first time in eight years, Khamenei led Friday prayers in Tehran, when

he mocked “American clowns” in the Trump administration.

Trump took offense. :lol "clown" is a compliment, an upgrade from Great Satan, or ignorant, stupid asshole

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/trump-tells-iran-that-political-leaders-must-use-precise-language-he-should-be-very-careful-with-his-words/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/trump-tells-iran-that-political-leaders-must-use-precise-language-he-should-be-very-careful-with-his-words/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[Winehole23]

Didn't Trump call "his generals" "dopes and clowns" to their faces?

[boutons_deux]

WATCH: CNN Plays Recording of Trump Telling Donors

He Killed Soleimani Because He ‘Said Bad Things’


CNN has released audio of a private fundraiser during which President Donald Trump said

he ordered the killing of Iranian Quds Force leader Qasem Soleimani because “he said bad things” about the United States, and

went on to provide a detailed account of the strike that included descriptions of military capabilities.

The network obtained audio of a Friday night fundraiser at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort, during which he told the high-dollar donors that

he ordered the strike because of Soleimani’s threatening rhetoric and, according to CNN, did not describe any “imminent threat.”

“He said bad things about our country.

he was saying things like ‘We’re going to attack your country. We’re going to kill your people.'”

Trump says on the recording.

“I said, look, how much of this shit do we have to listen to?

How much are we going to listen to?”

Trump also gave a very detailed account of the raid that included information on U.S. military capabilities:

He went on to recount listening to military officials as they watched the strike from “cameras that are miles in the sky.”

“They’re together sir,” Trump recalled the military officials saying.

“Sir, they have two minutes and 11 seconds.

No emotion.

‘2 minutes and 11 seconds to live, sir.

They’re in the car, they’re in an armored vehicle.

Sir, they have approximately one minute to live, sir. 30 seconds. 10, 9, 8 …’ ”

“Then all of a sudden, boom,” he went on. “‘They’re gone, sir. Cutting off.’ ”

“I said, where is this guy?” Trump continued.

“That was the last I heard from him.”




several of his senior officials have said they did not see any intelligence to substantiate that claim.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-cnn-plays-recording-of-trump-telling-donors-he-killed-soleimani-because-he-said-bad-things/ (https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-cnn-plays-recording-of-trump-telling-donors-he-killed-soleimani-because-he-said-bad-things/)

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1218662872424861696

[apalisoc_9]

financial terrorism.

Neat term.

[koriwhat]

i hope trump keeps killing them terrorist buddies of the democratic party! :tu

[koriwhat]

they love us and our freedom :lol

https://twitter.com/shahrvandyar/status/1218148433808195584?s=21

those people are such retards they couldn't point to the USA on a map if shown. shit, they probably don't even know what a map is tbh.

[benefactor]

those people are such retards
:lol

[apalisoc_9]

Iran made a total clown of themselves. They killed no US Soldiers and instead killed 150 civilians in the proccess. With increased sanctions, they're going to struggle even more in their proxy wars with Saudi and Turkey and ISIS is still well alive.

Its no wonder Assad had to call for russia to help. Iran economy right now is getting bombarded by the US.

[koriwhat]

:lol

shhh don't snitch on me to the ayatollah

[benefactor]

Joey, you very literally have the IQ of a coffee table. I'd much rather be known as a snitch.

[apalisoc_9]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1218662872424861696

scrah you think Israel-Saudi Are allies?

[koriwhat]

Joey, you very literally have the IQ of a coffee table. I'd much rather be known as a snitch.

do i? :lmao

can a coffee table teach itself programming, tattooing, welding, etc? i might not be einstein but i think you and plenty others here have no clue wtf yall are talking about.

pure hate because you're a big ol' fucking bitch and that's the truth of the matter. :tu

[koriwhat]

btw bene being known as a snitch is more so being known as a bitch of which you are.

[TheGreatYacht]

i hope trump keeps killing them terrorist buddies of the democratic party! :tu

Of course you would want muslim children and moms to starve to death. It's in your DNA (grandpa) to hate all muslims and to think all muslims are terrorists.

[koriwhat]

Of course you would want muslim children and moms to starve to death. It's your DNA (grandpa) to hate all muslims and all muslims are terrorists.

how does killing a terrorist equate to wanting muslim children and their mothers to starve to death? you're such a fucking idiot.

[koriwhat]

btw TheGreatTwat, this grandpa shtick of yours is played out.

[apalisoc_9]

Of course you would want muslim children and moms to starve to death. It's in your DNA (grandpa) to hate all muslims and to think all muslims are terrorists.

scrah opinion on the above? Dont busy yourself with low IQ crackas scrah. You have more important things at hand..

I heard Saudi citizens are free to move in and out of palestine and israel

[TheGreatYacht]

scrah you think Israel-Saudi Are allies?

Saudi Arabia: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[apalisoc_9]

Saudi Arabia: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

intresting. Wonder if US is getting played by the saudis.

in the grand scheme of things..Iran is saudi direct rival and if the US keeps on adding sanction they wont last very long. This is evidence with Syria calling russia for help.

Or is it the saudis getting played by America by continuing desteuction in the middle east and using that fear as a means to sell arms

[TheGreatYacht]

how does killing a terrorist equate to wanting muslim children and their mothers to starve to death? you're such a fucking idiot.

You just admitted to being in favor of economic sanctions didn't ya? That's exactly what sanctions do. The civilians pay the price not the government of Iran.

[boutons_deux]

financial terrorism.

Neat term.

sanctions are act of war, resulting in suffering, diseases, deaths

[TheGreatYacht]

intresting. Wonder if US is getting played by the saudis.

in the grand scheme of things..Iran is saudi direct rival and if the US keeps on adding sanction they wont last very long. This is evidence with Syria calling russia for help.

Or is it the saudis getting played by America by continuing desteuction in the middle east and using that fear as a means to sell arms

Some random Iraqi refugee on Facebook told me that the Zionists are playing both sides making Shias and Sunnis kill each other. Wouldn't surprise me if that is true bruh. The Zionists are the ones orchestrating the Islam vs Christianity war.

[apalisoc_9]

sanctions are act of war, resulting in suffering, diseases, deaths

I agree. Iran, North Korea, Venezuela are all examples.

i do think the next century countries would focus on dependancy more.

They're on this situation because most countries are under the US influence. Could very well change in the next 100 years though.

[koriwhat]

You just admitted to being in favor of economic sanctions didn't ya? That's exactly what sanctions do. The civilians pay the price not the government of Iran.

they got a government right? maybe they should fix their own fucking problems. i'm not going to shed a tear whatsoever over the fact that their own government has let them down.

[apalisoc_9]

Some random Iraqi refugee on Facebook told me that the Zionists are playing both sides making Shias and Sunnis kill each other. Wouldn't surprise me if that is true bruh. The Zionists are the ones orchestrating the Islam vs Christianity war.

Syrian dude told me the same thing. Apperently, the sunnis hated bashar but they never wanted instability and the civil war started out of nowhere and unexpectdly. They didnt even think a war was going to happen.

To be fair, Israel is on desperate times. The Middle East uniting again would be rough on their end. Specially with how much more bolder jihadist have become. And they're sandwish in between

[TheGreatYacht]

they got a government right? maybe they should fix their own fucking problems. i'm not going to shed a tear whatsoever over the fact that their own government has let them down.

Thanks for proving me right :lol

[koriwhat]

Thanks for proving me right :lol

so because i want no aid for any country other than ours, because after all it's our money anyhow, that means i want others to die? fuck out of here dipshit.

time to end the gravy train for the rest of the world especially those who call for the death of the USA and step on our flag.

get your ass over to iran already; i bet they'd love a pansy like you over there.

[TheGreatYacht]

so because i want no aid for any country other than ours, because after all it's our money anyhow, that means i want others to die? fuck out of here dipshit.

time to end the gravy train for the rest of the world especially those who call for the death of the USA and step on our flag.

get your ass over to iran already; i bet they'd love a pansy like you over there.

Aid :lol

Obama was giving them back their stolen money via sanctios for not building nukes.

Koriwhat: "But muh government and CIA say otherwise :cry"

[koriwhat]

Aid :lol

Obama was giving them back their stolen money via sanctios for not building nukes.

Koriwhat: "But muh government and CIA say otherwise :cry"

you state shit idgaf about at all... who brought up obama? not i. who brought up sanctions? not i.

i'm for letting all countries fend for themselves. fuck them all! and now you too can fuck off! :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

you state shit idgaf about at all... who brought up obama? not i. who brought up sanctions? not i.

i'm for letting all countries fend for themselves. fuck them all! and now you too can fuck off! :tu

Glad we're on the same page about GTFO of the middle east :tu

[koriwhat]

Glad we're on the same page about GTFO of the middle east :tu

yes indeed. fuck the ME!

[DMC]

yes indeed. fuck the ME!

That reads funny :lol

[DMC]

Syrian dude told me the same thing. Apperently, the sunnis hated bashar but they never wanted instability and the civil war started out of nowhere and unexpectdly. They didnt even think a war was going to happen.

To be fair, Israel is on desperate times. The Middle East uniting again would be rough on their end. Specially with how much more bolder jihadist have become. And they're sandwish in between

3rd world problems are so boring

[TheGreatYacht]

Noam Chomsky - Is Iran a Threat?

https://youtu.be/jdxxVxtHK2M

BOOM! Nuke Bomb

[TheGreatYacht]

Revealed Iran's Attack Did Cause Casualties, US/Israeli Cyberattack & Pompeo Threatens The World

https://youtu.be/mWZfDJerI0o

[DMC]

Welcome to 2 days ago.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Says the U.S. Is Ready for War.

Not All His Troops Are So Sure.

A series of accidents calls the military’s preparedness into question.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/17/sunday-review/trump-military-iran.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/17/sunday-review/trump-military-iran.html)

F-35? 40K hours / year spent trying to fix the electronics. Now Lockhead is gonna re-do the entire pkg :lol :lol

The MIC, like health care, is a deeply corrupt Capitalist vampire squid to suck wealth out of Americans. And completely unstoppable.

And then there are those super-tech Navy ships crashing around, too hard to use, and with under-trained crews. WTF?

And Boeing? leakers expose a corrupt culture. :lol :lol :lol :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Video: Trump Had No Idea Who He's Bombing

https://youtu.be/m0aBHLY_yz8

[TheGreatYacht]

The Real Reason Trump Bombed Soleimani Revealed

https://youtu.be/CzPLURiGDLw

[TheGreatYacht]

How Iraq's Deal with China and Soleimani are related! (No one is talking about this!)

https://youtu.be/oCsdAVwsZfs

[TheGreatYacht]

US Officials Admit Covert Tech Program Is Fueling Iran Protests, MEK Attacks Iran Bases & OPCW Lies

https://youtu.be/kJ6KhT68TOc

[TheGreatYacht]

Iran Being Overthrown From Within Examining the Evidence

https://youtu.be/h2EpJproVPQ

[TheGreatYacht]

An ISIS Rocket Attack Killed The "US Contractor," Yet The US Government Used It Against Iran Anyway

https://youtu.be/2UnijMVeuA8

So the truth finally comes out. But "muh CIA :cry" "muh Pentagon :cry" and "muh daddy Trump :cry" says otherwise

[DMC]

The Great Billy Mays Yacht spamming the fuck out of videos trying to monetize the clicks he generates.

[RandomGuy]

An ISIS Rocket Attack Killed The "US Contractor," Yet The US Government Used It Against Iran Anyway

https://youtu.be/2UnijMVeuA8

So the truth finally comes out. But "muh CIA :cry" "muh Pentagon :cry" and "muh daddy Trump :cry" says otherwise

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EgH6kLFRF5M/UB4__CtrfwI/AAAAAAAAEaQ/9iH4Y81z7Hk/s1600/23471605.jpg

[RandomGuy]

[youtube video #3,033,451]

https://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/124870-No-One-Actually-Cares.jpg

[RandomGuy]

[moar youtube videos]

https://www.issuerdirect.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/no-one-cares-hbt6qr1.png

[RandomGuy]

[yet another youtube video]

https://www.askideas.com/media/50/No-One-Cares-Funny-Jim-Carrey-Meme-Image.jpg

[Winehole23]

Trump lied again. There was no imminent threat.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/us/politics/white-house-memo-suleimani-strike.html

[Winehole23]

I guess assassinating Soleimani didn't deter Iran.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/13/iran-south-africa-ambassador-assassination-plot-413831

[DMC]

It deterred Soleimani.

[Winehole23]

It deterred Soleimani.Overt state assassination is a brutally effective tactic, but not a very good strategy.

[hater]

CNN interviewed an Iranian American who was with team USA but said Iran has been preparing for war wit US for decades and have lots of surprises and wishes Iran will not get a chance to show them

is this true ma niga?

Damn

https://twitter.com/IranDrones/status/1440024235347488768?s=19

[Winehole23]

Was it worth it?

What exactly did the US get that was worth $8 trillion and thousands of US dead?



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl43vJQWYAAzPW1?format=jpg&name=medium

[boutons_deux]

War is above all a business

And the war on terror was all about grabbing Iraqi oil and enriching the military industrial complex and its investors

Mission Accomplished

[pgardn]

War is above all a business

And the war on terror was all about grabbing Iraqi oil and enriching the military industrial complex and its investors

Mission Accomplished

India and China are by far the biggest importers of Iraqi oil.
These two countries exports went down with the war in Ukraine.
But they are still the largest exporters.

This is mission accomplished? These plans can go completely sideways and they often do.

[Spurs Homer]

War is above all a business

And the war on terror was all about grabbing Iraqi oil and enriching the military industrial complex and its investors

Mission Accomplished

Maybe -

but we didn't grab the oil -
we did what we always do -

we commit evil -
then try to claim to be the good guy and that we did it for honorable reasons ...

[pgardn]

Maybe -

but we didn't grab the oil -
we did what we always do -

we commit evil -
then try to claim to be the good guy and that we did it for honorable reasons ...

It all really began when Saddam invaded Kuwait and was ready to move into Saudi Arabia. This would have destabiilized world old prices. We were not the only ones that wanted Saddam out of Kuwait. Then came the punishment involving wiping out the Iraqi army who Saddam basically sacrificed like the Russians do with their people. We made sure they did not have an army that could do this again. This was really the start. Islamic terrorists actually caused Saddam problems.

And this was well before the twin towers fell. Leaving out this background is disingenuous imo when looking at the history of the conflict. Now that we know there were no weapons of mass destruction that the second Bush used as an excuse clearly must take into account the things that happened before. Especially in this case. The first Bush made sure not to destabilize Iraq completely. He knew the vacuum that would be left by Saddam would be a problem the US wanted nothing to do with.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Overt state assassination is a brutally effective tactic, but not a very good strategy.

Tell that to Ukrainians. Tell that to Putin.

[Spurs Homer]

It all really began when Saddam invaded Kuwait and was ready to move into Saudi Arabia. This would have destabiilized world old prices. We were not the only ones that wanted Saddam out of Kuwait. Then came the punishment involving wiping out the Iraqi army who Saddam basically sacrificed like the Russians do with their people. We made sure they did not have an army that could do this again. This was really the start. Islamic terrorists actually caused Saddam problems.

And this was well before the twin towers fell. Leaving out this background is disingenuous imo when looking at the history of the conflict. Now that we know there were no weapons of mass destruction that the second Bush used as an excuse clearly must take into account the things that happened before. Especially in this case. The first Bush made sure not to destabilize Iraq completely. He knew the vacuum that would be left by Saddam would be a problem the US wanted nothing to do with.

I dont think we are disagreeing- however-

we also commit evil- we may rationalize/justify it and pretend we are the good guys-
(and sometimes we are)

but we also are at least HALF guilty…it takes two to go to war

[pgardn]

I dont think we are disagreeing- however-

we also commit evil- we may rationalize/justify it and pretend we are the good guys-
(and sometimes we are)

but we also are at least HALF guilty…it takes two to go to war

I fully realize our foreign affair adventures have been not all been squeaky clean.
I also fully realize that we will do what it takes to keep markets and trade open.
We are regularly running our Navy through the South China Sea to let the Chinese know these are international waters and we will send our commercial shipping through these areas. We will keep the Straits of Hormuz open. We will keep the Suez Canal open, we will keep the Panama Canal open. We dont own these places but they are extremely important for trade and our economy as well as many of our allies.

Bottom line: we will make economics a big part of our foreign policy thus our projection of power is involved. But we also run into adventures we dont need to get into. And we also do some incredibly good humanitarian acts that just cost us money but lead to more trust. And sometimes it gets very complicated deciding when we need to keep our nose out of situations. Looking back on situations that have already occurred is easy to define us a good and bad. Looking forward when situations are changing is difficult. Remember there are Republicans and a group of Democrats that think we should have zero involvement in Ukraine. Depending on how it ends up people will then start to see good moves and bad moves we have made.

[Winehole23]

Tell that to Ukrainians. Tell that to Putin.I'm not Geraldo, dude. This line seems off.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not Geraldo, dude. This line seems off.

You have to be explained how assassinations have been strategically implemented and shown dramatic success in both locations? Okay. I will spell it out clearly.

Taking out the leader of an institution can have humongous strategic impact in general; it's Ukraine and they are at war. Putin strategically assassinates all opposition and has seen it keep him in power. This is par the course for many autocratic regimes.

[Winehole23]

You have to be explained how assassinations have been strategically implemented and shown dramatic success in both locations? Okay. I will spell it out clearly.

Taking out the leader of an institution can have humongous strategic impact in general; it's Ukraine and they are at war. Putin strategically assassinates all opposition and has seen it keep him in power. This is par the course for many autocratic regimes.well, thanks for the explanation. it's worth roughly what you charged for it.

:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

well, thanks for the explanation. it's worth roughly what you charged for it.

:lol

More than you posited considering you won't stand by it because your ass is as you say chapped.

Find a better argument than assassination is not effective strategically. It's plain ignorant, wine. I get why you want to distance from it.

[Winehole23]

It depends on the results. US troops are still being attacked by Iranian proxies in Iraq and Syria, so the strategic result of killing Sulaiman would appear to be nil.

Paradoxically, the US is supporting Iran's proxies in Iraq and has no clear military or political mission in Iraq or Syria, except perhaps to dangle US troops as bait for attack..

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/our-national-disgrace-in-iraq-and-syria/

[Winehole23]

seriously, wtf are we still doing there?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUQYPNpaUAAUoGn?format=jpg&name=900x900

Iraq's Ain al-Asad air base attacked by at least two rockets: sources | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/world/several-u-s-personnel-injured-suspected-rocket-attack-al-asad-air-base-officials)

[Thread]

seriously, wtf are we still doing there?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GUQYPNpaUAAUoGn?format=jpg&name=900x900

Iraq's Ain al-Asad air base attacked by at least two rockets: sources | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/world/several-u-s-personnel-injured-suspected-rocket-attack-al-asad-air-base-officials)

Pride goeth before driving out to Dover. See, Winester, it ain't their kid.

It's their kid.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

[Winehole23]

On July 30, the US launched airstrikes in Iraq that killed four members of the Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF), a coalition of mainly Shia militias that are part of Iraq’s security forces. The strike on the PMF was strongly condemned (https://news.antiwar.com/2024/07/31/iraq-condemns-us-airstrike-as-heinous-crime-and-blatant-aggression/)by the Iraqi government, the US’s supposed partner in the country.Five US Troops Injured in Rocket Attack on US Base in Iraq - News From Antiwar.com (https://news.antiwar.com/2024/08/05/five-us-troops-injured-in-rocket-attack-on-us-base-in-iraq/)

[Thread]

Five US Troops Injured in Rocket Attack on US Base in Iraq - News From Antiwar.com (https://news.antiwar.com/2024/08/05/five-us-troops-injured-in-rocket-attack-on-us-base-in-iraq/)

Dover is on Presidential alert.

[Ef-man]

maga world is now iran lovers, go figure

[Thread]

maga world is now iran lovers, go figure

Like your side was when Trump was in there. Whatever bad befell the country you loved it.

You don't like taking that angle though.

Tough titties, Effy. You, more than anybody else knows that you fuck around, you find out.

[hater]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

:lol

https://x.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1820869728711406055

[Ef-man]

Internal problems are getting worse for Iran

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1823834743135465903

[Winehole23]

There's a ceasefire parley the US wants badly. Wouldn't do to mess that up.

[Ef-man]

What do the internal protests have to do with US wanting a ceasefire parley?

Populace wants electricity and not asking that their leadership forgive the Great Satan.

[Winehole23]

Gaza does

[Ef-man]

Iranians want electricity. You know, make iran great again shit.

[Ef-man]

Iranian gov't wonders why people are upset with them and want change

https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1823770501749121456