TMZ Reporting Kobe died this morning in helicopter crash

[DMC]

Liberal anchor/reporter. So, we'll just move on quickly.

But for what it's worth, I don't want to persecute anyone for a slip of the tongue.

Nah fire them. A slip of the tongue can be a lot of things. It cannot be that.

[Isitjustme?]

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[Reck]

What type of helicopter fits 9 people? Been looking around and the consensus seems to be 6 max.

So we have poor whether, possibly too many onboard. It's starting to make sense how this happen. Let's wait for more details though.

[daslicer]

STFU cuck. There's a difference between hating on the man and saying shit to troll you virgins. I doubt even 1% of ST actually hated the man himself. He played a game, he wasn't a politician making their lives worse, etc...



RIP to Kobe and his daughter...and heart goes out to not just his wife but the little ones that have to deal with the loss of their father and sister.

Agreed this echoes my sentiments.

[apalisoc_9]

Some people saying tmac was in the helicopter too

[Thanos]

Some people saying tmac was in the helicopter too
:lol

[basquetbol]

wtf how did they get 9 people on that?

Sikorsky S-76 are pretty spacious, made by Lockheed Martin Black Hawk Manufacturer. Again, in times like this levity is good to lighten the mood.

What's Kobe's favorite movie?

Black Hawk Down

[Killakobe81]

Did you see a 'RIP the pilot' here? I get it if it's a close relative, but the whole celebrity worship, for a guy that literally wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire next to him is ridiculous.

Objectively, he was a confirmed snitch, an alleged rapist, a cheater, and an egomaniac. The world is a better place today, despite muh nostalgia and muh feelings.

Stfu nono you have right to your opinions but feeding on to the negative bullshit today is bad form.

[j-6]

Kobe was the ultimate villain for our franchise during the early part of this century. He was a talented prick with a ton of self awareness (plus Colorado) wearing the wrong colors.

I sports-hated the guy for about 20 years and made sure I had a ticket for his last game in San Antonio, 2016. The organization's tribute video and the crowd that night was tremendous.

He and Gianna's sudden accidental demise is heartbreaking. Saint Peter must have been down a dozen at halftime and needed buckets. Picked up a couple of scorers.

RIP Mamba. This tragedy is so unfortunate, and I feel for the citizens of Lakers Nation. Kobe will always hold a special place with Spurs fans, and kids busting their asses to be great around the globe.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Where is Howard Stern's crew/ Captain Janks reporting live on this??

[basquetbol]

Kobe will always hold a special place with Spurs fans,

Speak for yourself pal.

[Spurtacular]

Nah fire them. A slip of the tongue can be a lot of things. It cannot be that.

I don't want to live in a world like that. Sh** happens.

[lefty]

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[Spurtacular]

What type of helicopter fits 9 people? Been looking around and the consensus seems to be 6 max.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/kobe-bryant-of-the-los-angeles-lakers-takes-a-helicopter-to-his-last-picture-id520999536

[rascal]

Hopefully Magic and Kareem were on the chopper too...

Kareem is a good guy.

[Spurtacular]

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Arrivederci

[J_Paco]

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Oops, terrible foreshadowing but I like the cameo by Kanye West & Robert Rodriguez.

I doubt there was a burning Nike swoosh by the wreckage.

[TheChillFactor]

All I'm saying is, for people that want to debate Kobe's legacy and where he ranks in NBA history, is that TIM DUNCAN NEVER DIED ON THE WAY TO HIS DAUGHTER'S BASKETBALL GAME IN A FIERY HELICOPTER CRASH.

Makes me wonder if he really had the clutch gene, after all.:downspin:


I bet Dwight Howard wins the 2020 NBA Dunk Contest with a touching heartfelt tribute "helicopter dunk"

[ElNono]

He also had charity organizations and donated millions to help others but let's just focus on the bad because of your try hard online edgy persona :tu

I don’t have to pretend to be sad for that piece of shit. The only thing sad about this story is that he had to take his daughter with him.

[Reck]

All I'm saying is, for people that want to debate Kobe's legacy and where he ranks in NBA history, is that TIM DUNCAN NEVER DIED ON THE WAY TO HIS DAUGHTER'S BASKETBALL GAME IN A FIERY HELICOPTER CRASH.

Makes me wonder if he really had the clutch gene, after all.:downspin:


I bet Dwight Howard wins the 2020 NBA Dunk Contest with a touching heartfelt tribute "helicopter dunk"

Dying this way only boosts his legacy, you retard.

Duncan is probably going to die of old age and have a boring death/funeral.

Kobe now lives as a legend who died young. People are going to think of him the same way people think of Elvis Prestley or Lennon.

[TheChillFactor]

Hopefully Kawhi keeps taking a helicopter to Staples for the Clipper games

[TheChillFactor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFf-4PG8QgA

[SAtown]

This shit is so sad for his family and friends. RIP legend, condolences Lakers fans. This sucks for any sports fan but I can never imagine losing a franchise giant like this.

[TimDunkem]

Just saw the footage. Helicopter was coming in fast when it just spun out of control and fell from the sky.

Everyone inside knew what was about to happen...The scene inside must have been terrifying during the 10 seconds it took to hit the ground.

[Sean Cagney]

Dying this way only boosts his legacy, you retard.

Duncan is probably going to die of old age and have a boring death/funeral.

Kobe now lives as a legend who died young. People are going to think of him the same way people think of Elvis Prestley or Lennon.And I AM SURE Duncan would not have it any other way to be honest..... That is who Timmy is.

[Bill_Brasky]

I don’t have to pretend to be sad for that piece of shit. The only thing sad about this story is that he had to take his daughter with him.

If Kobe played for the Spurs youd fucking love his ass. Shut the fuck up.

[DMC]

Come on edge lords, it's been done. Show some restraint.

[Legacy]

Be strong, Laker fans.

[Legacy]

Hopefully Kawhi keeps taking a helicopter to Staples for the Clipper games

:pctoss

[spurraider21]

Calabasas is 40 mins from where I live now. I bet they're gonna make some sanctuary bullshit there now... smh
i used to live in woodland hills, right next door to calabasas. would have been murals literally everywhere

[daslicer]

Bruce Bowen just gave a great interview on Kobe. It was the most honest one I have heard. He talked about how he didn't like Kobe at first thought he was a Jordan wannabe and that over time grew to respect him.

[SanAntonioSpurs]

The number of paranoid, bigoted, right wing conspiracy theorists here is fairly amazing. Trump ran on being a bigot and republicans voted for him. People left the Democratic Party and became Republicans because the Democratic Party passed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and the opposition of the Democratic Party to bigotry. That's why the bigots left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party. Republicans try to suppress the vote of people of color and engage in extreme gerrymandering in order to hurt people of color. People of color know that and that's why people of color vote for Democratic candidates. Republicans oppose equality and want the country to return to the era where rich white men are in charge. African Americans were counted as 3/5 of a person and slavery was legal until the Emancipation Proclamation and it was still in practice along with Jim Crows laws and a poll tax and a literacy test and a grandfather clause until the 1960s. That's about 3/4 of this nation's history and the effects of this discrimination don't get overcome without action . When republicans have to assert everybody else is lying and unreliable in order to try to defend factually wrong propositions, they ought to realize that they are held captive by the priority of the paradigm. Using the N word or attacking people of a different faith or background doesn't make you edgy or cool; it reveals you as ignorant. Why right wing bigots would insist upon revealing their own ignorance and making all of these bigoted statements in a thread dedicated to Kobe Bryant's passing is almost beyond me. I remember when I was a member under a different name and while this ugliness existed , it wasn't as prominent. There used to be a focus on the game in depth and people didn't throw their ugliness into threads where it wasn't relevant. The ugliness that others introduced here was answered . This post was necessary because all of that ugliness was posted in this thread and it wouldn't have been necessary if everybody had stuck to the topic instead of throwing in the irrelevant bigotry and political stuff and conspiracy theories making clear their utter inability to engage in critical thinking and determine what are and what are not reliable sources . One news station and uneducated radio talk shows are not reliable sources of information when they contradict all other independent sources of information whether it would be all of the press or universities and peer reviewed journal articles.

[basquetbol]

This shit is so sad for his family and friends. RIP legend, condolences Lakers fans. This sucks for any sports fan but I can never imagine losing a franchise giant like this.

Vanessa is a colossal bitch, you think if people in your family died she would give a fuck and say RIP?

[spurraider21]

is Thread gonna get his ass in here to roll out the barrels, and have a barrel of fun, tbh?

[Chad.]

Dying this way only boosts his legacy, you retard.

Duncan is probably going to die of old age and have a boring death/funeral.

Kobe now lives as a legend who died young. People are going to think of him the same way people think of Elvis Prestley or Lennon.

Yep tbh

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/266/938/465.jpg

[Benoit]

Was there a bigger possible death than this? Other than Lebron or Tiger. I dont think so. Jordan would've been too old, Manning/Brady not known enough outside USA. Maybe The Rock?

[Millennial_Messiah]

is Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) gonna get his ass in here to roll out the barrels, and have a barrel of fun, tbh?

Boiled down::::


Kobe: dead
the tired old shit bag Duncan: alive with a promising coaching career ahead of him


Let us proceed........

[baseline bum]

Man fuck everything. This is brutal

Man really sucks for you guys. Having lived in LA for a lot of Kobe's career I know how much he means to everyone out there. RIP to a legend and condolences to the entire Southland.

[spurraider21]

Was there a bigger possible death than this? Other than Lebron or Tiger. I dont think so. Jordan would've been too old, Manning/Brady not known enough outside USA. Maybe The Rock?
jokes aside, probably not in the world of sports, besides lebron because he's still active and is about a global brand like kobe.

within the US i think tom brady easily would have been, too. but its also different when you are comparing them to active athletes

[callo1]

Liberal anchor/reporter. So, we'll just move on quickly.

But for what it's worth, I don't want to persecute anyone for a slip of the tongue.


She misspoke, but in doing so said "Los Angeles Nakers".

Listen carefully and it is obvious.

[SAtown]

Vanessa is a colossal bitch, you think if people in your family died she would give a fuck and say RIP?

No, she wouldn't. But I've also never been on a global platform as Kobe fucking Bryant.

Is it not sad for his family and friends? I'm confused as to what is hurting your ass.

[ElNono]

If Kobe played for the Spurs youd fucking love his ass. Shut the fuck up.

But he didn't, so why don't you make me shut up?

[ElNono]

is Thread gonna get his ass in here to roll out the barrels, and have a barrel of fun, tbh?

:lol lot of dead characters here today... Dale, Koolaid, Pakifuck, Hobbler... that reminds me, gotta go check lakersground

[rascal]

Dying this way only boosts his legacy, you retard.

Duncan is probably going to die of old age and have a boring death/funeral.

Kobe now lives as a legend who died young. People are going to think of him the same way people think of Elvis Prestley or Lennon.

No they aren't.

[ElNono]

hehehe anybody notice how this happened after Lebron passed him?...yeah I bet this is a coincidence :dramaquee


hehehehe I bet none of you idiots thought of that yet huh. I am so smart

:lmao

[Reck]

No they aren't.

Really? He hasn't been dead 24 hours and already you have the entire nation paralyzed in mourning. :lol

Kobe was a brand name. It's only natural he'll be remembered for his game and as a pioneer of it. Sucks for you.

[ElNono]

Stfu nono you have right to your opinions but feeding on to the negative bullshit today is bad form.

sup Killa, you know me better than most here... sorry for your loss, tbh

[SAGirl]

RIP

[rascal]

Really? He hasn't been dead 24 hours and already you have the entire nation paralyzed in mourning. :lol

Kobe was a brand name. It's only natural he'll be remembered for his game and as a pioneer of it. Sucks for you.

Most of the nation doesn't even care about the NBA.

[lefty]

Doc Rivers in tears

https://youtu.be/z2LpaEojNYs

[Raven]

RIP

[DMC]

Stfu nono you have right to your opinions but feeding on to the negative bullshit today is bad form.

Kill a Kobe is an ironic name today though.

[jehawk81]

Just saw the footage. Helicopter was coming in fast when it just spun out of control and fell from the sky.

Everyone inside knew what was about to happen...The scene inside must have been terrifying during the 10 seconds it took to hit the ground.

I don't think there's a video of this crash, at least so far. The only one I've seen that people were saying was it seems to be another crash.. it wasn't foggy & kinda looked like the Grand Canyon

[Mugen]

Sucks tbh. Being an LA resident, can't deny the impact he's had on the city, dude's a legend here.

RIP.

[DMC]

I don't think there's a video of this crash, at least so far. The only one I've seen that people were saying was it seems to be another crash.. it wasn't foggy & kinda looked like the Grand Canyon

People will buy anything. It's amazing how fucking gullible people are.

[MultiTroll]

Been out most of the day.
Just learned Gigi Bryant died.
Sad. Condolences.

[Spurtacular]

She misspoke, but in doing so said "Los Angeles Nakers".

Listen carefully and it is obvious.

That g-sound is clear, bruh. There a reason you sperm shielding?

[Kyle_Kuzma]

Kill a Kobe is an ironic name today though.
he aint lyin^ :lol


kudos to timmy, pop, walmart kobe and that becky hammon chick for paying respects to my man kobe.

rip kob. basketball will never be the same without ya.

[Cherry]

RIP Kobe and Gigi

[Killakobe81]

he aint lyin^ :lol


kudos to timmy, pop, walmart kobe and that becky hammon chick for paying respects to my man kobe.

rip kob. basketball will never be the same without ya.

Fuck him, tbh the name fits I used to regret the choice... But proud I used to smoke fools in Madden online and debated fools on here with it.
And now he gone he is no longer Achilles but the second best SG to ever do it fuck, Harden... Lol

[Killakobe81]

But it still hurts...

[DMC]

But it still hurts™...

fify

[Spurtacular]

Been out most of the day.
Just learned Gigi Bryant died.
Sad. Condolences.

The loss of a child is devastating for any family.

[Benoit]

They killed him. This is why you dont get close to those people.

[Benoit]

Please lebron rethink trying to get into that circle

[DJR210]

R.I.P Legend. Thank you for the memories and giving the Spurs the best rivalry in our history. One of the fiercest competitors to ever lace em up, no matter the sport

#8 #24 Thank you

[Killakobe81]

Shout out to the classy Spur fans showing respect to a fallen icon...

[Bynumite]

I don’t have to pretend to be sad for that piece of shit. The only thing sad about this story is that he had to take his daughter with him.

Nobody is asking you to be sad. You don't have to trash him either.

No matter how much of a scumbag you think he is, he has also helped more people than you ever could in 10 lifetimes put together.

[bdictjames]

This one hurts, no matter who you are.

Kobe embodied hard work. He would make sure to outwork you. That translates to more fields, not just basketball. His impact has always been more than basketball.

RIP to the Mamba, and his daughter, and condolences to his family.

[Brazil]

Sucks it was not kawhi on dat fucking shopper tbh... oh well

also sad for the girl pilot and other fellows.. as of Kobe, respect to the bb player.. he was a sad excuse of human being tho..

[HarlemHeat37]

As much as I disliked this fake-ass teller, he was only 41 and had young daughters. Obviously his daughter passing away puts it on a different level, shit is tragic.

Dad Killer should have been killed instead. His kids are grown, he doesn't contribute anything significant to the community(relatively speaking, considering the power he possesses), he has caused more deaths than any NBA player in history, etc. Hopefully I'm still alive when he dies.

[Brazil]

Nobody is asking you to be sad. You don't have to trash him either.

No matter how much of a scumbag you think he is, he has also helped more people than you ever could in 10 lifetimes put together.

:lol so dude was a scumbag but it’s ok because he helped people ? What kind of logic is that ?

[Fat Brandon Bass]

RIP to Kobe but Pop proves what a scummy human being he is yet again

No doubt he called the commish’s office directly and demanded the game be played so he could do his stupid gimmick to virtue signal. Every time there’s a virtue signaling opportunity this guy always has the “memorable quote”. He’s just capitalizing on this like he did Sager’s death. Tbh I’m surprised he didn’t grab the mic and use this opportunity to blame it on Trump and his supporters or some shit.

hopefully him and Jerruh can take a joyride together in his private helicopter some time soon imo

[ElNono]

Nobody is asking you to be sad. You don't have to trash him either.

No matter how much of a scumbag you think he is, he has also helped more people than you ever could in 10 lifetimes put together.

I merely pointed out facts... you're the one acting up like the spurned wife

[FkLA]

RIP to Kobe but Pop proves what a scummy human being he is yet again

No doubt he called the commish’s office directly and demanded the game be played so he could do his stupid gimmick to virtue signal. Every time there’s a virtue signaling opportunity this guy always has the “memorable quote”. He’s just capitalizing on this like he did Sager’s death. Tbh I’m surprised he didn’t grab the mic and use this opportunity to blame it on Trump and his supporters or some shit.

hopefully him and Jerruh can take a joyride together in his private helicopter some time soon imo

Everyone is doing corny gestures tbf. That whole let the 24 sec shot clock run out for Kobe thing didn't even come from the Spurs either. Someone from TOR suggested it and both teams agreed.

[ElNono]

Dallas Mavericks to retire No. 24 in honor of Kobe Bryant

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-mavericks-to-retire-no-24-in-honor-of-kobe-bryant/287-0180c685-70e8-465a-ab59-8863fa0e9070

Wtf Mavs

[JoeTait75]

His daughter, too, and another young kid if I've read correctly. That's the worst part.

RIP to Kobe, and condolences to his family, friends and fans of the Lake Show. Respect.

[Thanos]

Dallas Mavericks to retire No. 24 in honor of Kobe Bryant

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-mavericks-to-retire-no-24-in-honor-of-kobe-bryant/287-0180c685-70e8-465a-ab59-8863fa0e9070

Wtf Mavs
Mark trying to get out ahead and show Giannis what a great owner he is tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

The entire league should retire his number, tbh. Whether you like him or not, he was probably the most influential player of the modern era in terms of players idolizing him.

[Bynumite]

:lol so dude was a scumbag but it’s ok because he helped people ? What kind of logic is that ?

Elnono insinuated that Kobe somehow deserved to die. What exactly did he ever do that warranted his untimely death?

But i get it, people gotta get it off their chest. Shit they won't say in real life.

[ElNono]

Elnono insinuated that Kobe somehow deserved to die. What exactly did he ever do that warranted his untimely death?

But i get it, people gotta get it off their chests. Shit they won't say in real life.

lol I didn't say he deserved anything, just that it's a better world today. No doubt about that.

[ElNono]

The entire league should retire his number, tbh. Whether you like him or not, he was probably the most influential player of the modern era in terms of players idolizing him.

Wouldn't be surprised if Pop follows suit, tbh... one of the biggest Kobe fans in the league.

[DAF86]

Damn, despite sport hating Kobe, shit hit me hard. Live life to the fullest sons, you never know when all ends.

[TE]

lol I didn't say he deserved anything, just that it's a better world today. No doubt about that.
I wasn’t the biggest Kobe fan in the word but this is a pretty insensitive comment, even for you bro...

[ElNono]

I wasn’t the biggest Kobe fan in the word but this is a pretty insensitive comment, even for you bro...

Nobody cares how you feel

[Millennial_Messiah]

RIP to Kobe but Pop proves what a scummy human being he is yet again

No doubt he called the commish’s office directly and demanded the game be played so he could do his stupid gimmick to virtue signal. Every time there’s a virtue signaling opportunity this guy always has the “memorable quote”. He’s just capitalizing on this like he did Sager’s death. Tbh I’m surprised he didn’t grab the mic and use this opportunity to blame it on Trump and his supporters or some shit.

hopefully him and Jerruh can take a joyride together in his private helicopter some time soon imo
Jerruh is a staunch republican. They're literally polar opposites. Jerry is the grizzly bear, Poop is the snake

[J_Paco]

The entire league should retire his number, tbh. Whether you like him or not, he was probably the most influential player of the modern era in terms of players idolizing him.

No, if they didn't do it for Bill, Mike or the first Black player then they should refrain from doing so for Kobe.

Mark Cuban being the ultimate ass kisser with this move, TBH. Just like Pat Riley before him......

Retiring his number by opposing teams is an empty gesture that won't help with his family's grief or bring him back.

[daslicer]

No, if they didn't do it for Bill, Mike or the first Black player they they should refrain from doing so for Kobe.

Mark Cuban being the ultimate ass kisser with the move, TBH. Just like Pat Riley before him......

Agreed.

[TE]

Nobody cares how you feel
Cool response, keep being an edge lord. fucking idiot

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don't think he raped but he definitely was a sociopath.

[J_Paco]

Agreed.

Exactly, and why retire #24 when he also wore #8 through a good portion of his career? Oh, because it is an empty gesture and PR stunt by Cuban.

Mark should have been that vigilante and caring when he had a sexual predator roaming his offices, assaulting and harassing his female employees.

[ElNono]

Cool response, keep being an edge lord. fucking idiot

that's telling me

[Kyle_Kuzma]

man, kobe’s short animation story .

the feels

fuck

[J_Paco]

I don't think he raped but he definitely was a sociopath.

I think both are true, TBH. Kind of like with Steve Jobs, except he never physically raped anyone, who I had a hard time "mourning" the death of too. Still sucks for their families, fans and friends.

I probably won't "mourn" Jordan's death either knowing he's likely a sociopath too.

[TheChillFactor]

I'm honestly struggling to figure out how this happened at all...there's got to be more to the story...how did Kobe Bryant die in a helicopter crash if Michael Jordan didn't do it first??

[DMX7]

RIP to Kobe but Pop proves what a scummy human being he is yet again

No doubt he called the commish’s office directly and demanded the game be played so he could do his stupid gimmick to virtue signal. Every time there’s a virtue signaling opportunity this guy always has the “memorable quote”. He’s just capitalizing on this like he did Sager’s death. Tbh I’m surprised he didn’t grab the mic and use this opportunity to blame it on Trump and his supporters or some shit.

hopefully him and Jerruh can take a joyride together in his private helicopter some time soon imo

weak shit, bro

[Millennial_Messiah]

As much as I disliked this fake-ass teller, he was only 41 and had young daughters. Obviously his daughter passing away puts it on a different level, shit is tragic.

It is. But eh, people live, people die. Some people live to be 110+ and die peacefully of old age with a long storied legacy. Some people live to ripe old age but have a boring ass life. Some people like Kobe or Jimi Hendrix die young with a bigtime legacy in spite of their short life. And some children never live to grow up, like Kobe's daughter or all the millions of sweet little children each year who die of cancer etc. It's the course of nature, people live, people die, some people get it better and longer than others and life isn't fair. People should get over it.

[Legacy]

Damn, despite sport hating Kobe, shit hit me hard. Live life to the fullest sons, you never know when all ends.

Yep. I believe Kobe did in his 41 years.

[Trainwreck2100]

Dallas Mavericks to retire No. 24 in honor of Kobe Bryant

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-mavericks-to-retire-no-24-in-honor-of-kobe-bryant/287-0180c685-70e8-465a-ab59-8863fa0e9070

Wtf Mavs

that's just not a great idea

[Trainwreck2100]

good job on the spurs getting ahead with the "running out the shot clock idea" Everyone copied them and the shitty nuggets only gave him a moment of silence.

[HarlemHeat37]

No, if they didn't do it for Bill, Mike or the first Black player then they should refrain from doing so for Kobe.

Mark Cuban being the ultimate ass kisser with this move, TBH. Just like Pat Riley before him......

Retiring his number by opposing teams is an empty gesture that won't help with his family's grief or bring him back.

It's a different time, athletes/celebrities have more of an impact than ever before. This death is going to resonate far more than Jordan winning 6 rings or Russell's rings or whatever other reason there would be to retire a number league-wide.

And as others said earlier, celebrity deaths have a huge impact in elevating legacies.

[J_Paco]

It is. But eh, people live, people die. Some people live to be 110+ and die peacefully of old age with a long storied legacy. Some people like Kobe or Jimi Hendrix die young with a bigtime legacy in spite of their short life. And some children never live to grow up, like Kobe's daughter or all the millions of sweet little children each year who die of cancer etc. It's the course of nature, people live, people die, some people get it better and longer than others and life isn't fair. People should get over it.

Just like life and death are a part of life, so is grief and grieving. Clearly, it will affect people on different levels if at all.

And it is a part of the human condition, so there is no point in saying people should "get over it" or "move on."

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think both are true, TBH. Kind of like with Steve Jobs, except he never physically raped anyone, who I had a hard time "mourning" the death of too. Still sucks for their families, fans and friends.

I probably won't "mourn" Jordan's death either knowing he's likely a sociopath too.
Yeah I've always hated Apple/Macintosh but the way Steve Jobs died saddened me a lot worse than the way Kobe or especially, how Chester Bennington for example (one of my teenage idols) died.

[HarlemHeat37]

It is. But eh, people live, people die. Some people live to be 110+ and die peacefully of old age with a long storied legacy. Some people live to ripe old age but have a boring ass life. Some people like Kobe or Jimi Hendrix die young with a bigtime legacy in spite of their short life. And some children never live to grow up, like Kobe's daughter or all the millions of sweet little children each year who die of cancer etc. It's the course of nature, people live, people die, some people get it better and longer than others and life isn't fair. People should get over it.

Sure, but it's still sad that a young girl died, my nigga:lol

I'm not going to pretend like it's going to have any affect on my life, it obviously isn't, but still sad to die so young. It's especially sad for her mother and sisters, too.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Just like life and death are a part of life, so is grief and grieving. Clearly, it will affect people on different levels if at all.

And it is a part of the human condition, so there is no point in saying people should "get over it" or "move on."

You are an idiot, so you'll likely respond with some inane bullshit.
What about the millions of kids every year that die of cancer? Or all the adults who die of heart attacks, strokes and cancer? What about them? They don't make the news. Are their lives necessarily less important than Kobe or his family? I don't believe so. So how come we don't grieve and mourn every day for all the people who die tragically every day?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Sure, but it's still sad that a young girl died, my nigga:lol
It definitely is. But when one of my mom's best teaching co-worker friend's daughters died at 12 of leukemia, the entire media and internet world didn't mourn over her.

[J_Paco]

Yeah I've always hated Apple/Macintosh but the way Steve Jobs died saddened me a lot worse than the way Kobe or especially, how Chester Bennington for example (one of my teenage idols) died.

Cancer sucks and so does death in general. Whether by accident, suicide or terminal illness.

I apologize for calling you an idiot in my earlier post. I'll delete the statement. Carry on.

[daslicer]

Exactly, and why retire #24 when he also wore #8 through a good portion of his career? Oh, because it is an empty gesture and PR stunt by Cuban.

Mark should have been that vigilante and caring when he had a sexual predator roaming his offices, assaulting and harassing his female employees.

It's tragic he lost his life the way he did but like you said this is an overreaction by Cuban. It also shows how fake Cuban is.

[daslicer]

It is. But eh, people live, people die. Some people live to be 110+ and die peacefully of old age with a long storied legacy. Some people live to ripe old age but have a boring ass life. Some people like Kobe or Jimi Hendrix die young with a bigtime legacy in spite of their short life. And some children never live to grow up, like Kobe's daughter or all the millions of sweet little children each year who die of cancer etc. It's the course of nature, people live, people die, some people get it better and longer than others and life isn't fair. People should get over it.

Agreed Kobe lived a short life but he got to experience highs very few people will experience in 70-80 years of their lives.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd bet anything that Silver will try to get Kobe's jersey retired league-wide IMO. Nobody is going to oppose after the man and his young daughter died.

It would be a nice gesture, tbh.

[J_Paco]

What about the millions of kids every year that die of cancer? Or all the adults who die of heart attacks, strokes and cancer? What about them? They don't make the news. Are their lives necessarily less important than Kobe or his family? I don't believe so. So how come we don't grieve and mourn every day for all the people who die tragically every day?

No, all human life has value. Equal value, actually.

Whether right or wrong, athletes, entertainers and other public figures spend more time in our individual and public conciousness. Which leads to gestures and condolences sent to people you may have never meet before.

Doesn't meant that all the people who are in that public consciousness are irrelevant when they likely matter to someone. Or if they don't have family, friends or acquaintances they are still human.

Anyway, back to the bickering back and forth ST.......

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cancer sucks and so does death in general. Whether by accident, suicide or terminal illness.

I apologize for calling you an idiot in my earlier post. I'll delete the statement. Carry on.

Yes. I'm just saying that some people's death has different effects on different people. I did like basketball growing up, but rock music was my life, so Bennington's death made me a lot more upset than Kobe's. But if it was Timmy.... probably a different story. I saw Kobe not only as an adversary but also kind of a jerk and sociopath. Probably softened up after his kids started growing up.

[J_Paco]

I'd bet anything that Silver will try to get Kobe's jersey retired league-wide IMO. Nobody is going to oppose after the man and his young daughter died.

It would be a nice gesture, tbh.

If he does he's the biggest phony of a commish ever. Not even Roberto Clemente - a legitimate humanitarian and philanthropist - has been given that respect in the MLB and died in very similar circumstances.

And no disrespect intended, but Kobe sure as hell ain't Jackie Robinson.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'd bet anything that Silver will try to get Kobe's jersey retired league-wide IMO. Nobody is going to oppose after the man and his young daughter died.

It would be a nice gesture, tbh.

which one? Prime Kobe was #8, his best career moments were #8, such as the 3-peat, breaking the 3pt shots in a game record, the 62 points in 3 quarters game, and of course the 81 point game.

[Reck]

lol I didn't say he deserved anything, just that it's a better world today. No doubt about that.

How exactly is it a better world? For most of us his death will not affect us any but for the ones he mattered to it sure as hell is not.

What's gotten into you lately my nigga? You've been acting weird af.

[Millennial_Messiah]

No, all human life has value. Equal value, actually.

Whether right or wrong, athletes, entertainers and other public figures spend more time in our individual and public conciousness. Which leads to gestures and condolences sent to people you may have never meet before.

Doesn't meant that all the people who are in that public consciousness are irrelevant when they likely matter to someone. Or if they don't have family, friends or acquaintances they are still human.

Anyway, back to the bickering back and forth ST.......
I don't think all life has equal value. Nobody cried when Charles Manson died. Or Osama or Baghdadi. They were legitimate evil. Evil deserves to die.

With Kobe, I don't believe he was evil at all... he was a me-first primadonna, cold hearted early in his career but after he had kids and reconciled his marriage he turned into a better person... but he was never the murderous or torturous type of evil... whatever you think of the Kate Faber incident, it's not like she was a child when they had sex. Kobe was the type of guy who just wanted the very best for himself and everything to himself. Selfish, but, not evil.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Agreed Kobe lived a short life but he got to experience highs very few people will experience in 70-80 years of their lives.

yeah, like I said, guys can live to 115 and have a super boring life, 9-5 career, retired and maybe traveled a few places, maybe not, but only remembered by close family and their closest friends' progeny

whereas everyone will remember Kobe, Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix etc even though they all died young

[ElNono]

How exactly is it a better world? For most of us his death will not affect us any but for the ones he mattered to it sure as hell is not.

What's gotten into you lately my nigga? You've been acting weird af.

Already stated it in it's respective post. One less egomaniac, snitch, cheater and alleged rapist in this world. That's a good thing, wouldn't you agree?

What's tragic is that he couldn't go alone, he had to drag his kid with him... smh

[CitizenDwayne]

Horrific news. Shit made me nauseous. I couldn’t explain to my family that the death of this man I hated and rooted against for years had such an effect on me. Jay Williams’ response was profound. Spurs fans should all pay homage to their greatest villain, he deserved a better end than this.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Already stated it in it's respective post. One less egomaniac, snitch, cheater and alleged rapist in this world. That's a good thing, wouldn't you agree?

What's tragic is that he couldn't go alone, he had to drag his kid with him... smh

he should have taken Nancy and Pocahontas with him instead tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Horrific news. Shit made me nauseous. I couldn’t explain to my family that the death of this man I hated and rooted against for years had such an effect on me. Jay Williams’ response was profound. Spurs fans should all pay homage to their greatest villain, he deserved a better end than this.

yeah I agree... in childhood I lost my temper thousands of times over ball games and probably wished Kobe dead around 8,531 times or so, but a calm me never would have said or meant that... like I legit hated Kobe and sometimes wished he'd never been born or at least never picked up a basketball, but he didn't deserve to die like this, and watch his daughter die in the process.

[FkLA]

smh ElNono

[Chucho]

I merely pointed out facts... you're the one acting up like the spurned wife

:rollin

[Will Hunting]

:lol people taking ElNonos bait left and right

[Killakobe81]

yeah I agree... in childhood I lost my temper thousands of times over ball games and probably wished Kobe dead around 8,531 times or so, but a calm me never would have said or meant that... like I legit hated Kobe and sometimes wished he'd never been born or at least never picked up a basketball, but he didn't deserve to die like this, and watch his daughter die in the process.

Dying knowing you can't save your daughter from the same fate is beyond cruel...

[Chucho]

Looks like Timmy ultimately wins out.


Easiest bet in the next 1-10 years; Most over rated person in the universe? Kobe Bryant. He'll surpass Selene AND Curt Cobain combined.

Nigga dead and his dick getting rode more than a seedy hotel room in Colorado in 2004.

Also, LOLing at niggas tryna be religious all a sudden.

[ElNono]

wait, so some of you niglets are really going to pretend that because he died today, he's no longer the bitch ass uncle tom you were saying he was yesterday? And I'm the hypocrite?

And let's not pretend that if this was Duncan, a couple of the Lakerfans here that demand respect and call others edgelords wouldn't be lapping it up... come on sons...

[Will Hunting]

Looks like Timmy ultimately wins out.


Easiest bet in the next 1-10 years; Most over rated person in the universe? Kobe Bryant. He'll surpass Selene AND Curt Cobain combined.

Nigga dead and his dick getting rode more than a seedy hotel room in Colorado in 2004.

Also, LOLing at niggas tryna be religious all a sudden.
It’s to be expected in tbh, Michael jackson died and everyone now glosses over the fact he’s a child molester.

[UZER]

Amazing that in the cancel culture we live in today, with people having to constantly apologize for things said/done in their past, Kobe is still celebrated the way he is, unblemished. He never had to really answer for Colorado when it happened, or ever again afterwards. After the initial allegations reactions, everyone just started ignoring the elephant in the room. Some even made him more of a hero for going to court and playing basketball at a high level in the same day. Then everyone just moved on and went right back to worshiping him. Women still loved him. But thats the privilege of being a basket star in Hollywood / LA.

Still a sad day, I would never wish death on anyone. It’s sad that he died young. But it’s more sad that his daughter died at 13, and his newborn will never even know her Dad.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Dying knowing you can't save your daughter from the same fate is beyond cruel...

Agreed 100%.

I didn't really become a Kobe fan until around the end of his career... I always will respect him as a better overall NBA legend than LeBitch.... when shit went against Kobe, he sulked for awhile but then got back up and turned it around the next game, next round, next year... while LeBitch couldn't stop whining and bitching about a foul/no foul or whatever.

Also, Kobe was the 2nd most clutch player of all time after MJ... Lebron isn't even top 25 in that department all-time. His only non-total-bandwagon championship was made possible by a..... Kyrie Irving shot.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Looks like Timmy ultimately wins out.


Easiest bet in the next 1-10 years; Most over rated person in the universe? Kobe Bryant. He'll surpass Selene AND Curt Cobain combined.

Nigga dead and his dick getting rode more than a seedy hotel room in Colorado in 2004.

Also, LOLing at niggas tryna be religious all a sudden.

Timmy was always superior all along, if nothing else for his basketball longevity. Yes they retired the same year, but Kobe was a lot younger, and he didn't play the majority of his last 3 years due to various injuries and other stuff. Duncan was a borderline all star caliber when he retired.

Timmy to me is a top 5 NBA legend, but Kobe is in the top 10 IMO.

[slacker77]

Please lebron rethink trying to get into that circle
Ssshhhhhiiiiittttt.... He’s long been in that circle.. Hell, just take a look at his tattoo on his chest.

[daslicer]

yeah I agree... in childhood I lost my temper thousands of times over ball games and probably wished Kobe dead around 8,531 times or so, but a calm me never would have said or meant that... like I legit hated Kobe and sometimes wished he'd never been born or at least never picked up a basketball, but he didn't deserve to die like this, and watch his daughter die in the process.

Sums up how I felt about him.

[FkLA]

:lol people taking ElNonos bait left and right

Who thinks "hey its time to troll" with something like this though?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Sums up how I felt about him.

yes sir. And I do think if Kobe had picked a different sport or career that Timmy would have at least 7 rings and possibly be considered the GOAT over MJ. Spurs would have undoubtedly won the title in '01 and '02 because there was no other elite competition in either conference at that point, and we had Sacramento's number.

[Mark Celibate]

Who thinks "hey its time to troll" with something like this though?

tbh I'm actually surprised it got up to 9 pages before the trolling began imo

[UZER]

What’s crazy to me is basketball gave Kobe his glamorous life, and basketball ultimately took his life.

[HarlemHeat37]

tbh I'm actually surprised it got up to 9 pages before the trolling began imo

We've gotten older, I guess:lol

Somebody find that Jerry Buss death thread.

[Thanos]

What’s crazy to me is basketball gave Kobe his glamorous life, and basketball ultimately took his life.
https://www.reddit.com/r/im14andthisisdeep/

[Mark Celibate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/im14andthisisdeep/

:lmao

[Mark Celibate]

We've gotten older, I guess:lol

Somebody find that Jerry Buss death thread.

there hasn't even been any direct Kobe trolling other than a few butthurt GNSF's. Just the indirect trolling (i.e. using Kobe's death to highlight what a POS some other guy is) or the typical ST hilarious autistic social unawareness from the usual culprits tbh

[FkLA]

We've gotten older, I guess:lol

Makes sense. Most people grow out of that edge lord phase. If you don't there might be something wrong with you, tbh.

[benefactor]

:lol people taking ElNonos bait left and right


tbh I'm actually surprised it got up to 9 pages before the trolling began imo


We've gotten older, I guess:lol

Somebody find that Jerry Buss death thread.
:lol tbh

[Kyle_Kuzma]

its too soon but it’s a quick death. could’ve lost his daughter and survived the whole thing, paralyzed and feeding through a tube for the rest of his life.

his legend will only grow from here on out. the goat talk is gonna be lit. watch how these non kobe stan blog boys and nerds starts putting him ahead of everyone not named michael jordan.

kobe stays winnin, tammy tits wont even be top 10 once kd and steph retires tbh :lmao

[Benoit]

NBA media would've celebrated it if Harden died

[TXstbobcat]

its too soon but it’s a quick death. could’ve lost his daughter and survived the whole thing, paralyzed and feeding through a tube for the rest of his life.

his legend will only grow from here on out. the goat talk is gonna be lit. watch how these non kobe stan blog boys and nerds starts putting him ahead of everyone not named michael jordan.

kobe stays winnin, tammy tits wont even be top 10 once kd and steph retires tbh :lmao

that is pretty fucked up if you actually think that loosing his daughter is winning.

[baseline bum]

wait, so some of you niglets are really going to pretend that because he died today, he's no longer the bitch ass uncle tom you were saying he was yesterday? And I'm the hypocrite?

And let's not pretend that if this was Duncan, a couple of the Lakerfans here that demand respect and call others edgelords wouldn't be lapping it up... come on sons...

Honestly, I always liked Kobe in real life. I mean I hated him too, don't get me wrong, but overall really enjoyed watching him play and used to watch his games all the time when I lived in LA. I just talked shit about him here a lot to piss Laker fans off. But I genuinely feel sick to my fucking stomach today. I usually don't give a shit if a celeb dies but Kobe was such an important part of being a basketball fan and a Spurs fan. I know I couldn't have enjoyed the 2003 title nearly as much if not for the asskicking the Spurs got from him in 2001 for example. I have never hated a player as much as I hated Kobe Bryant in Game 1 of the 2001 WCF, but it made me appreciate it so much more when Tim Duncan was playing around the world at Staples in Game 6 of the 2003 WCSF to pay them back. I watched Kobe play so many great games I can't help but mourn a little at him being killed so young.

[JamStone]

For a person I didn’t know at all personally, this shook me pretty hard. I’ve long been a Kobe fan, lived in LA for the second and third Shaq-Kobe championships. I’m old, already in my 40s, and I haven’t had an emotional reaction to a celebrity death like this since Biggie. No joke, this one hurt me.

I don’t disparage anyone for jokes or for throwing shade or hate. Over the years, I’ve seen worse things said on these boards. I actually expected more and worse. And death is always tragic, especially to those personally affected. But sometimes celebrity, public figure deaths carry more weight in how many people it reaches. Doesn’t make it any more tragic, only how many people are affected.

But talking seriously for a minute, as much of a sociopath and megalomaniac as he was early on in his career, I do feel like he did grow up over the course of his playing career and post career. He may forever be viewed by some as a scumbag for Colorado and the snitching aftermath. But I do believe he not only grew from that, but proactively tried to become a better person for it. Obviously, I don’t know for sure, as I have zero personal insight. But most personal reports indicate he developed into a pretty good dude later on and pretty much everything we read now about him being a good father, a generous mentor to young basketball players, and a determined and ambitious media (not social media, but film and print media) personality relate a different person than the young, arrogant Kobe.

I believe the 2008 Olympics began to paint a different portrait of Kobe, when young stars like LeBron and Wade who may have respected Kobe but viewed him as aloof and weird got to know him on a more personal level. And they started to understand him as a person. And after retirement, Dear Basketball, and his basketball relationship with his daughter, people started to see a different side. But hey, maybe he still was a scumbag and sociopath when he went down in the helicopter. As a Kobe fan, I’m hoping he did grow up from young Kobe, Colorado Kobe, snitching Kobe, megalomaniac Kobe.

And I was still sad today.

[Benoit]

As much as I disliked this fake-ass teller, he was only 41 and had young daughters. Obviously his daughter passing away puts it on a different level, shit is tragic.

Dad Killer should have been killed instead. His kids are grown, he doesn't contribute anything significant to the community(relatively speaking, considering the power he possesses), he has caused more deaths than any NBA player in history, etc. Hopefully I'm still alive when he dies.

Lebron took a helicopter ride to see his son the other day :cry it could've been a lot worse

[daslicer]

I look at Duncan-Kobe in the sense of the Batman-Joker type of relationship. You can't have the Batman without the Joker and you can't have the Joker without the batman. What made Duncan special to spur fans was illustrated towards their disdain for Kobe. In the eyes of Spur fans Kobe was selfish, arrogant, while Duncan was unselfish,humble,great leader,etc. In the eyes of Laker fans Kobe was charismatic,exciting, tough, while Duncan was boring,dull,ornery, fundamentally sound. I think both players became more likable in the eyes of their own fan bases due to the rivalry. Spur fans loved Duncan even more since he wasn't a diva like Kobe. Laker fans loved Kobe even more since he wasn't dull boring like Duncan.

When I reflect on the Spurs titles they wouldn't have felt as good if Kobe never existed. Even the years where the Spurs won it all and didn't play the Lakers it still felt good knowing Duncan was either up in the ring count number against Kobe or tied him. Let's be real the 5th title wouldn't have felt as sweet if it wasn't for the fact that Duncan had tied Kobe at 5 rings. So this is how I appreciate Kobe in the sense that he made Duncan more heroic in my eyes as a Spurs fan. He was the greatest villain ever.

This commercial is one of my favorites. Both Duncan and Kobe super young and before they won their first ring.
2EV3fZe22Fc

[ElNono]

Honestly, I always liked Kobe in real life. I mean I hated him too, don't get me wrong, but overall really enjoyed watching him play and used to watch his games all the time when I lived in LA. I just talked shit about him here a lot to piss Laker fans off. But I genuinely feel sick to my fucking stomach today. I usually don't give a shit if a celeb dies but Kobe was such an important part of being a basketball fan and a Spurs fan. I know I couldn't have enjoyed the 2003 title nearly as much if not for the asskicking the Spurs got from him in 2001 for example. I have never hated a player as much as I hated Kobe Bryant in Game 1 of the 2001 WCF, but it made me appreciate it so much more when Tim Duncan was playing around the world at Staples in Game 6 of the 2003 WCSF to pay them back. I watched Kobe play so many great games I can't help but mourn a little at him being killed so young.

You're not the only one, tbh, the AT&T Center was always packed with Laker stans when they came to town

[baseline bum]

You're not the only one, tbh, the AT&T Center was always packed with Laker stans when they came to town

:lol fuck off son

[daslicer]

yes sir. And I do think if Kobe had picked a different sport or career that Timmy would have at least 7 rings and possibly be considered the GOAT over MJ. Spurs would have undoubtedly won the title in '01 and '02 because there was no other elite competition in either conference at that point, and we had Sacramento's number.

I agree I have felt like that for years if the Lakers weren't around the Spurs would have won 7 or 8. That's the biggest reason I would lose my cool when the spurs lost in '01 and '02 to the Lakers that there was nobody else that could beat them. It was so damn frustrating knowing the Spurs could ring those years but the Lakers were there to stop it.

[daslicer]

Honestly, I always liked Kobe in real life. I mean I hated him too, don't get me wrong, but overall really enjoyed watching him play and used to watch his games all the time when I lived in LA. I just talked shit about him here a lot to piss Laker fans off. But I genuinely feel sick to my fucking stomach today. I usually don't give a shit if a celeb dies but Kobe was such an important part of being a basketball fan and a Spurs fan. I know I couldn't have enjoyed the 2003 title nearly as much if not for the asskicking the Spurs got from him in 2001 for example. I have never hated a player as much as I hated Kobe Bryant in Game 1 of the 2001 WCF, but it made me appreciate it so much more when Tim Duncan was playing around the world at Staples in Game 6 of the 2003 WCSF to pay them back. I watched Kobe play so many great games I can't help but mourn a little at him being killed so young.

Agreed that's exactly how I feel.

[ElNono]

:lol fuck off son

:lol I don't mean it in a bad way, clearly he had a following even in the arch-rival town at the time

[Mark Celibate]

Honestly, I always liked Kobe in real life. I mean I hated him too, don't get me wrong, but overall really enjoyed watching him play and used to watch his games all the time when I lived in LA. I just talked shit about him here a lot to piss Laker fans off. But I genuinely feel sick to my fucking stomach today. I usually don't give a shit if a celeb dies but Kobe was such an important part of being a basketball fan and a Spurs fan. I know I couldn't have enjoyed the 2003 title nearly as much if not for the asskicking the Spurs got from him in 2001 for example. I have never hated a player as much as I hated Kobe Bryant in Game 1 of the 2001 WCF, but it made me appreciate it so much more when Tim Duncan was playing around the world at Staples in Game 6 of the 2003 WCSF to pay them back. I watched Kobe play so many great games I can't help but mourn a little at him being killed so young.

Same. I was always a fan of his, mainly because I thought the whole rape thing was BS. Like you have evidence that the girl basically had a train run on her, but apparently Kobe Bryant is the one she said no to? rofl. So with that being discounted, there's really not much negative you can say about him as a person. Sure he was hyper-competitive on the court, but that's on his opponent to match his intensity. The guys who didnt back down like Matt Barnes, Stephen Jackson, etc have always said how much they loved playing against him. Off the court, he seemed like a genuinely good guy especially with the media. Always answered questions sincerely without acting above the media like so many athletes do these days

[FkLA]

https://twitter.com/NBABeau/status/1221644010802089984?s=19

Pretty spot on. He wasn't the best of his era, Duncan and Shaq were, but he was definitely the most beloved. Cant deny that.

[Thread]

is Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) gonna get his ass in here to roll out the barrels, and have a barrel of fun, tbh?


Just saw the footage. Helicopter was coming in fast when it just spun out of control and fell from the sky.

Everyone inside knew what was about to happen...The scene inside must have been terrifying during the 10 seconds it took to hit the ground.

Yes, TD. That's it & that's all.

It's those "seconds" that govern the check amounts that the insurance companies cut.

---

That one against Boston when the end came into view & Bryant put down the game face & the trappings & strove with all of his might for it. He didn't care how it, or, he looked. So human.

& coming back after the rape, grabbing jacks & timbers with Her & starting back down together. Both of 'em. Putting it aside & forging ahead for the vows, for the children, so they wouldn't be cast to the winds-drenched in money.

[Spurtacular]

A lot of people who hero worship Kobe must be crushed today, man.

I just feel bad for the man. World in the palm of his hand n' all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aY3CnaNY6k

[baseline bum]

For a person I didn’t know at all personally, this shook me pretty hard. I’ve long been a Kobe fan, lived in LA for the second and third Shaq-Kobe championships. I’m old, already in my 40s, and I haven’t had an emotional reaction to a celebrity death like this since Biggie. No joke, this one hurt me.


I know what you mean, I was in LA for most of the Shaq-Kobe era and used to watch their games all the time on KCAL9. I have never seen a team win so many games they had no business winning. Games where the other team would do what they want for 43 minutes and then just get completely steamrolled the last five. And yeah, I don't think I have been hit by a celebrity death like today since Eazy-E back in like 94 or 95.

[Legacy]

Would Laker fans be as classy as Spurs fans (besides ElNono :tongue) if this happened to Duncan and not Kobe? :stirpot:

[ElNono]

Would Laker fans be as classy as Spurs fans (besides ElNono :tongue) if this happened to Duncan and not Kobe? :stirpot:

Yeah, that's a no

[J_Paco]

I look at Duncan-Kobe in the sense of the Batman-Joker type of relationship. You can't have the Batman without the Joker and you can't have the Joker without the batman. What made Duncan special to spur fans was illustrated towards their disdain for Kobe. In the eyes of Spur fans Kobe was selfish, arrogant, while Duncan was unselfish,humble,great leader,etc. In the eyes of Laker fans Kobe was charismatic,exciting, tough, while Duncan was boring,dull,ornery, fundamentally sound. I think both players became more likable in the eyes of their own fan bases due to the rivalry. Spur fans loved Duncan even more since he wasn't a diva like Kobe. Laker fans loved Kobe even more since he wasn't dull boring like Duncan.

When I reflect on the Spurs titles they wouldn't have felt as good if Kobe never existed. Even the years where the Spurs won it all and didn't play the Lakers it still felt good knowing Duncan was either up in the ring count number against Kobe or tied him. Let's be real the 5th title wouldn't have felt as sweet if it wasn't for the fact that Duncan had tied Kobe at 5 rings. So this is how I appreciate Kobe in the sense that he made Duncan more heroic in my eyes as a Spurs fan. He was the greatest villain ever.

This commercial is one of my favorites. Both Duncan and Kobe super young and before they won their first ring.
2EV3fZe22Fc

Yeah, they (and Shaq) are forever intertwined like Bird and Magic.

It is gonna be sad and difficult to watch Duncan, Garnett & Bryant enshrined in the Hall of Fame without Bryant there.

[Spurtacular]

Lebron took a helicopter ride to see his son the other day :cry it could've been a lot worse

A lot of these niggas gonna think twice about gallivanting all about in their helicopters now.

[benefactor]

Yes, TD. That's it & that's all.

It's those "seconds" that govern the check amounts that the insurance companies cut.

---

That one against Boston when the end came into view & Bryant put down the game face & the trappings & strove with all of his might for it. He didn't care how it, or, he looked. So human.

& coming back after the rape, grabbing jacks & timbers with Her & starting back down together. Both of 'em. Putting it aside & forging ahead for the vows, for the children, so they wouldn't be cast to the winds-drenched in money.
I've thought about you more than once today Dale. All the trolling and bullshit aside, condolences. If it was Duncan, I would be ripped to pieces.

[benefactor]

For a person I didn’t know at all personally, this shook me pretty hard. I’ve long been a Kobe fan, lived in LA for the second and third Shaq-Kobe championships. I’m old, already in my 40s, and I haven’t had an emotional reaction to a celebrity death like this since Biggie. No joke, this one hurt me.

I don’t disparage anyone for jokes or for throwing shade or hate. Over the years, I’ve seen worse things said on these boards. I actually expected more and worse. And death is always tragic, especially to those personally affected. But sometimes celebrity, public figure deaths carry more weight in how many people it reaches. Doesn’t make it any more tragic, only how many people are affected.

But talking seriously for a minute, as much of a sociopath and megalomaniac as he was early on in his career, I do feel like he did grow up over the course of his playing career and post career. He may forever be viewed by some as a scumbag for Colorado and the snitching aftermath. But I do believe he not only grew from that, but proactively tried to become a better person for it. Obviously, I don’t know for sure, as I have zero personal insight. But most personal reports indicate he developed into a pretty good dude later on and pretty much everything we read now about him being a good father, a generous mentor to young basketball players, and a determined and ambitious media (not social media, but film and print media) personality relate a different person than the young, arrogant Kobe.

I believe the 2008 Olympics began to paint a different portrait of Kobe, when young stars like LeBron and Wade who may have respected Kobe but viewed him as aloof and weird got to know him on a more personal level. And they started to understand him as a person. And after retirement, Dear Basketball, and his basketball relationship with his daughter, people started to see a different side. But hey, maybe he still was a scumbag and sociopath when he went down in the helicopter. As a Kobe fan, I’m hoping he did grow up from young Kobe, Colorado Kobe, snitching Kobe, megalomaniac Kobe.

And I was still sad today.
:tu

[Spurtacular]

Amazing that in the cancel culture we live in today, with people having to constantly apologize for things said/done in their past, Kobe is still celebrated the way he is, unblemished. He never had to really answer for Colorado when it happened, or ever again afterwards. After the initial allegations reactions, everyone just started ignoring the elephant in the room. Some even made him more of a hero for going to court and playing basketball at a high level in the same day. Then everyone just moved on and went right back to worshiping him. Women still loved him. But thats the privilege of being a basket star in Hollywood / LA.

Still a sad day, I would never wish death on anyone. It’s sad that he died young. But it’s more sad that his daughter died at 13, and his newborn will never even know her Dad.

People want simpler, happier outcomes. Returning to how it was. It's human nature.

[Spurtacular]

Damn, despite sport hating Kobe, shit hit me hard. Live life to the fullest sons, you never know when all ends.

This shatters a lot of people's world view. Kobe was immortal to a lot of people.

[Legacy]

Yeah, that's a no

:lmao

[Chucho]

Who thinks "hey its time to troll" with something like this though?

Not a better opportunity for faggots like you to be disingenuous en masse since Princess Di'ed.

[Chucho]

Best thing to happen to his brand, to be perfectly honest.


Cosby, Kelly and Simpson would give what's left of their fortunes to die this way.


Also, unsure if this is related, but vacationing in the Rockies atm, ...but hearing these ominous and eerie chuckles in the background.

[lefty]

WHAT THE FUCK

1221609861546422276

[FkLA]

Not a better opportunity for faggots like you to be disingenuous en masse since Princess Di'ed.

oh ok

[spurraider21]

Yes, TD. That's it & that's all.

It's those "seconds" that govern the check amounts that the insurance companies cut.

---

That one against Boston when the end came into view & Bryant put down the game face & the trappings & strove with all of his might for it. He didn't care how it, or, he looked. So human.

& coming back after the rape, grabbing jacks & timbers with Her & starting back down together. Both of 'em. Putting it aside & forging ahead for the vows, for the children, so they wouldn't be cast to the winds-drenched in money.
Boiled down:::

Clinton is no longer the sole duly elected President to be impeached.

Tee hee.

[Legacy]

I'm still in shock, tbh, and don't know what else to say.

Just don't take the people you love for granted... you never know if they'll still be here tomorrow.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Was there a bigger possible death than this? Other than Lebron or Tiger. I dont think so. Jordan would've been too old, Manning/Brady not known enough outside USA. Maybe The Rock?

Messi or Ronaldo

[313]

Messi or RonaldoWould be way bigger imo

[313]

Yes, TD. That's it & that's all.

It's those "seconds" that govern the check amounts that the insurance companies cut.

---

That one against Boston when the end came into view & Bryant put down the game face & the trappings & strove with all of his might for it. He didn't care how it, or, he looked. So human.

& coming back after the rape, grabbing jacks & timbers with Her & starting back down together. Both of 'em. Putting it aside & forging ahead for the vows, for the children, so they wouldn't be cast to the winds-drenched in money.
Condolences, Dale.

[Reck]

Not a better opportunity for faggots like you to be disingenuous en masse since Princess Di'ed.

Huh? Earlier you said people are pretending to be religious now because some find trolling a dead dude is in bad form. Since when do you have to be a religious nut to have common sense and decency? Imo, this is derp level when he spent a whole week mocking the death of McCain. I was against that then as I am now with this. But hey this is ST.

[The Gemini Method]

Someone asked if Laker fans would show the same solemnity that most Spurs fans have in this thread if Duncan were to die this tragically. The answer from me is yes, I would. Because both Kobe and Tim will always be mentioned in the same breath because their epic showdowns (Shaq included as well) are forever linked. But as a fellow human who will also face his own mortality one day, it is in my nature to be somber for the loss of someone iconic.

Kobe meant many different things to many people. To me, he was a sports superstar that helped me cope with some of my darkest moments. The Shaq and Kobe duo was the last era my father got to witness as he courageously battled cancer. The few times he was up to it, we'd make the 30 minute trip from Long Beach to Staples to see him and the Diesel ply their athletic prowess on the hardcourt. It is and still remains treasure moments like those that keep the memory of my dad still relevant. While it may sound odd that a sports figure would mean that much to a person, it's the memories that pay more in terms of worth.

He was a part of the lexicon here in Southern California. Sure you can make the argument about his egotistical immaturity and his foolish foray into whatever transpired in Eagle that fateful night. That wasn't the high point in the man's career and it sure can mar anyone's true opinion of him. That's something I wouldn't dissuade from having.

I do know this: For 48 minutes on the hardwood he dazzled and wowed an audience with his talents. It was a pleasure getting to see it first hand and to see what had become of him in the latter part of his career and life outside of basketball. It seemed like he was so involved in the lives of his four daughters that it seemed he had changed in a way that only maturity and the burning of years leads to. One can only hope.

I found out the tragic news as I shopped for groceries about 11am in the morning. It hit me kind of hard. Not because I knew him personally, but just because for the good part of my young adult life he was a constant in my sports fandom. Now that all that remains are memories and the handful of times I saw him in public.

May GiGi Bryant and the 7 others who perished rest in peace as well. The horror of losing children that young vastly outweigh the loss of Kobe. However, losing a parent is not an easy tragedy to overcome either.

[313]

Certain figures are larger than life, and you expect them to be around forever, like Bill Russell, so Kobe's death was more shocking than sad to me. But his daughter being on the heli with him and imaging him having to console her in their final moments, is what really hurts to think about. I can't imagine the grief his wife and daughters he left behind are experiencing right now.

On another note, dismissing a celebrity's death because you don't know them personally, is just being purposely obtuse... It ignores the basic empathy that most functioning humans are capable of feeling when they hear about such a tragic death.. then compound that tragic death with the victim being someone youve become familiar with over a 20 year span... and it shouldn't be hard to imagine people will grieve more than usual.

[FrostKing]

Would be way bigger imo
Granted they are still playing but you would see suicides

[Robz4000]

Certain figures are larger than life, and you expect them to be around forever, like Bill Russell, so Kobe's death was more shocking than sad to me. But his daughter being on the heli with him and imaging him having to console her in their final moments, is what really hurts to think about. I can't imagine the grief his wife and daughters he left behind are experiencing right now.

On another note, dismissing a celebrity's death because you don't know them personally, is just being purposely obtuse... It ignores the basic empathy that most functioning humans are capable of feeling when they hear about such a tragic death.. then compound that tragic death with the victim being someone youve become familiar with over a 20 year span... and it shouldn't be hard to imagine people will grieve more than usual.

Well put tbh.

[daslicer]

Certain figures are larger than life, and you expect them to be around forever, like Bill Russell, so Kobe's death was more shocking than sad to me. But his daughter being on the heli with him and imaging him having to console her in their final moments, is what really hurts to think about. I can't imagine the grief his wife and daughters he left behind are experiencing right now.

On another note, dismissing a celebrity's death because you don't know them personally, is just being purposely obtuse... It ignores the basic empathy that most functioning humans are capable of feeling when they hear about such a tragic death.. then compound that tragic death with the victim being someone youve become familiar with over a 20 year span... and it shouldn't be hard to imagine people will grieve more than usual.

I thought Kobe was going to live at least the normal life span of 70-80 years so him dying early to me was shocking considering how he has always been in great shape health wise.

[FrostKing]

When I take a step back from sports. I realize many of my favorite sports memories involve where and whom I was with when it occurred. It ultimately is just a game played by others within lines/chalk etc. It isn't as deep as an influential song, art exhibit or film IMO. But yah I'm a sports junkie

[ElNono]

lol @ larger than life. I get people relating because they were contemporaries, but we're not talking somebody that brought about world peace or cured cancer. He's 'special' in that he was a top 30 player of all time.

[Spurtacular]

WHAT THE FUCK

1221609861546422276

Dang. Another prophetic helicopter skit.

[FrostKing]

lol @ larger than life. I get people relating because they were contemporaries, but we're not talking somebody that brought about world peace or cured cancer. He's 'special' in that he was a top 30 player of all time.
No one in my family has mentioned anything. Not very connected to American pop culture or athletics.

[Arcadian]

Who would've guessed that Bill Russell would outlive Kobe Bryant?!

[ezau]

Who would've guessed that Bill Russell would outlive Kobe Bryant?!

Magic has been HIV-positive since 91 and he's still alive.

[Legacy]

Magic has been HIV-positive since 91 and he's still alive.

Holy Crap! :lmao

[gambit1990]

First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.

[Thread]

Boiled down:::

Clinton is no longer the sole duly elected President to be impeached.

Tee hee.

That's our penance, our punishment for whooping the dog shit out of Hillary 3 Novembers ago.

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[Dirks_Finale]

Could not stand him in the 1st half of his career. Thought he was an immature narcissist. But in twillight of his career/life he became very likable.

Cuban retiring his number is the height of stupidity. He will be remembered as the guy who suggested the Lakers amnesty Kobe.

At the end of the day this is really tragic. His 13 y/o daughter never had a chance to live life. And Duncan will be giving his HOF speech without his main rival there. 2 guys who elevated each other's games. This just sucks.

[Benoit]

Legacy wise, Kobe and Lebron will always be linked to each other now for as long as LBJ lives.

Lebron, Jordan, Kobe.

[Splits]

Yes, TD. That's it & that's all.

It's those "seconds" that govern the check amounts that the insurance companies cut.

---

That one against Boston when the end came into view & Bryant put down the game face & the trappings & strove with all of his might for it. He didn't care how it, or, he looked. So human.

& coming back after the rape, grabbing jacks & timbers with Her & starting back down together. Both of 'em. Putting it aside & forging ahead for the vows, for the children, so they wouldn't be cast to the winds-drenched in money.

Who’s the tired ole shitbag now? Who’s donning the bag?

[ezau]

It's hard to process this event. I was thinking, Kobe's final moments must be harrowing as it finally dawned on him that he couldn't do anything to help his child. This is very bad way to go and no person ever deserves to go through this. As a Spurs fan, I despised him as a basketball player, but Kobe became extremely likeable in the final years of his playing career.

[Brazil]

Elnono insinuated that Kobe somehow deserved to die. What exactly did he ever do that warranted his untimely death?

But i get it, people gotta get it off their chest. Shit they won't say in real life.

He did not insinuate that tbh.. nono has anger management issues for a while now tho :lol

[Brazil]

Magic has been HIV-positive since 91 and he's still alive.

:lol oh boy...

That's why I still read dat forum to find gems like that...

[Will Hunting]

It's hard to process this event. I was thinking, Kobe's final moments must be harrowing as it finally dawned on him that he couldn't do anything to help his child. This is very bad way to go and no person ever deserves to go through this. As a Spurs fan, I despised him as a basketball player, but Kobe became extremely likeable in the final years of his playing career.
How’s your wife :lol

[ezau]

How’s your wife :lol

:lol

[Fat Brandon Bass]

How’s your wife :lol

Kobe could probably tell you tbh

[Benoit]

Lebron just needs to win this year in honor of Kobe and he will be the unanimous GOAT.

[DMC]

From the looks of the crash site there were no "final moments" to console anyone in. They hit that mountain at around 150 knots with rotor spinning, they did not have a mechanical failure and drop out of the sky. I'd bet they were almost unaware they were going to die, and then that sudden stop. They were flying in fog, couldn't see shit, circled for 15 minutes or so and tried to head a different direction due to low visibility. This is the pilot, but the passengers were likely in conversation and not focused too much on it until the end when the pilot suddenly climbed 1000 feet or so.

[TimDunkem]

For a person I didn’t know at all personally, this shook me pretty hard. I’ve long been a Kobe fan, lived in LA for the second and third Shaq-Kobe championships. I’m old, already in my 40s, and I haven’t had an emotional reaction to a celebrity death like this since Biggie. No joke, this one hurt me.

I don’t disparage anyone for jokes or for throwing shade or hate. Over the years, I’ve seen worse things said on these boards. I actually expected more and worse. And death is always tragic, especially to those personally affected. But sometimes celebrity, public figure deaths carry more weight in how many people it reaches. Doesn’t make it any more tragic, only how many people are affected.

But talking seriously for a minute, as much of a sociopath and megalomaniac as he was early on in his career, I do feel like he did grow up over the course of his playing career and post career. He may forever be viewed by some as a scumbag for Colorado and the snitching aftermath. But I do believe he not only grew from that, but proactively tried to become a better person for it. Obviously, I don’t know for sure, as I have zero personal insight. But most personal reports indicate he developed into a pretty good dude later on and pretty much everything we read now about him being a good father, a generous mentor to young basketball players, and a determined and ambitious media (not social media, but film and print media) personality relate a different person than the young, arrogant Kobe.

I believe the 2008 Olympics began to paint a different portrait of Kobe, when young stars like LeBron and Wade who may have respected Kobe but viewed him as aloof and weird got to know him on a more personal level. And they started to understand him as a person. And after retirement, Dear Basketball, and his basketball relationship with his daughter, people started to see a different side. But hey, maybe he still was a scumbag and sociopath when he went down in the helicopter. As a Kobe fan, I’m hoping he did grow up from young Kobe, Colorado Kobe, snitching Kobe, megalomaniac Kobe.

And I was still sad today.

Kobe's yoga instructor was doing the rounds on news networks yesterday. He was mentioning how Kobe reached out to him and wanted to pick up yoga. Not so much for the physical benefits, but more for the mental benefits. He said Kobe had a lot of regrets that he wanted to put behind him. That he would constantly ask how he could be a kinder, more helpful person. That shit really hit me. It showed just how much that bastard from back in those early days grew.

And he did grow - a lot. You could see it in his interviews lately. Soft spoken, happy, usually during events he was sponsoring. He was on the top of the world, finally about to enjoy the legacy he created, barely in his 40s, with his daughter who was clearly ready to pick up whatever basketball legacy he left - and then they both came crashing down to Earth, probably in a lot of fear (at least I hope not), and would never enjoy it again. That's what really hit me. Not just the suddenness of it...but the tragedy of it all. It hurt.

Tbh, my Kobe trashing days are over.

[Kyle_Kuzma]

choppa was flying really low when they hit a mountain. it’s a quick death.

https://youtu.be/28QYy8lrww8y

[Thanos]

The “Win it for Kobe” narrative will be strong. The Lakers already get plenty of assistance from the refs, after this it’s almost a guarantee they’ll ring.

[Will Hunting]

The “Win it for Kobe” narrative will be strong. The Lakers already get plenty of assistance from the refs, after this it’s almost a guarantee they’ll ring.
Agreed tbh it’ll be even worse than the ref assistance the 2012 Ravens got on the Ray Lewis Deer Antler Spray Retirement Tour.

[illmatic]

From the looks of the crash site there were no "final moments" to console anyone in. They hit that mountain at around 150 knots with rotor spinning, they did not have a mechanical failure and drop out of the sky. I'd bet they were almost unaware they were going to die, and then that sudden stop. They were flying in fog, couldn't see shit, circled for 15 minutes or so and tried to head a different direction due to low visibility. This is the pilot, but the passengers were likely in conversation and not focused too much on it until the end when the pilot suddenly climbed 1000 feet or so.

I agree. It looks like the pilot lost his bearings and didn't realize that they were about to hit the side of a mountain. Only thing we can hope for is they didn't realize anything was wrong and the sudden impact killed them all instantly with no suffering.

[Will Hunting]

Tbh no homo but it is kinda surreal once you realize that a figure you saw on ESPN pretty much every other day for over a decade who you used to dread watching your team play against is suddenly gone like that. It’s not even about Kobe/sports/etc, to me it’s a pretty big reality check on how fragile life is more than anything else.

[Will Hunting]

I agree. It looks like the pilot lost his bearings and didn't realize that they were about to hit the side of a mountain. Only thing we can hope for is they didn't realize anything was wrong and the sudden impact killed them all instantly with no suffering.
The pilot should have never flown the helicopter that day too begin with, those weren’t even close to safe conditions.

[Benoit]

The “Win it for Kobe” narrative will be strong. The Lakers already get plenty of assistance from the refs, after this it’s almost a guarantee they’ll ring.

They'll have home court

They'll have a friendly whistle

They'll have Lebron in his Extra High Motivation gear for the first time since 2016

[baseline bum]

Someone asked if Laker fans would show the same solemnity that most Spurs fans have in this thread if Duncan were to die this tragically. The answer from me is yes, I would. Because both Kobe and Tim will always be mentioned in the same breath because their epic showdowns (Shaq included as well) are forever linked. But as a fellow human who will also face his own mortality one day, it is in my nature to be somber for the loss of someone iconic.


I get it man. Kobe is an inextricable part of being a Spurs fan in that era too. Gonna feel really weird not seeing Kobe there with Tim at the HOF induction this year. That was going to be such a great celebration of that era but now it's going to be lots of sadness watching that. Really different personalities and games but that drive to always improve and the love for the game really linked Tim and Kobe. Those early years too I used to love watching the Allstar games just to see what it looked like seeing Kobe and Tim play on the same team. But I'm glad they never did for real, it was so much better seeing them have to go through each other.

[Thanos]

Tbh no homo but it is kinda surreal once you realize that a figure you saw on ESPN pretty much every other day for over a decade who you used to dread watching your team play against is suddenly gone like that. It’s not even about Kobe/sports/etc, to me it’s a pretty big reality check on how fragile life is more than anything else.
I remember in 2011 when the Mavs went up 3-0 on the Lakers, and Kobe said “I may be sick in the head but I still think we’re gonna win this series” I believed him 100 percent. Wasn’t until the 4th quarter when the Lakers basically quit that I actually thought Dallas would win the series.

[Ginobilly]

The pilot should have never flown the helicopter that day too begin with, those weren’t even close to safe conditions.

It's possible Kobe and the other rich parents onboard pressured the pilot to just fly. The guy in fear of possibly loosing his job took a deadly risk that ended up taking the life of his employer and himself. Sometimes rich famous people are not in a right state of mind. Rip Kobe.

[Mugen]

Damn, sucks to be a Laker fan tbh. Finally crawling out of the basement after several years only to have your franchise idol die tragically.

Too soon and all that but I'm putting that futures bet on the Lakers ASAP as the league is pretty much going to do their best to make sure they ring this year.

[Mugen]

Everybody I grew up with (close friends, family, etc.) pretty much idolized Bryant. Pretty surreal being around them processing the news. Shit, even hit me hard and I hated the guy but the stuff with his daughter (and all the passengers + kids) just make it so f'n tragic tbh.

Just a really weird feeling in SoCal today tbh. Def palpable.

[Thanos]

It's possible Kobe and the other rich parents onboard pressured the pilot to just fly. The guy in fear of possibly loosing his job took a deadly risk that ended up taking the life of his employer and himself. Sometimes rich famous people are not in a right state of mind. Rip Kobe.
Probably also was a route the pilot took dozens of times before, so he got overconfident that he could make the trip with no issues.

[endrity]

For a person I didn’t know at all personally, this shook me pretty hard. I’ve long been a Kobe fan, lived in LA for the second and third Shaq-Kobe championships. I’m old, already in my 40s, and I haven’t had an emotional reaction to a celebrity death like this since Biggie. No joke, this one hurt me.

I don’t disparage anyone for jokes or for throwing shade or hate. Over the years, I’ve seen worse things said on these boards. I actually expected more and worse. And death is always tragic, especially to those personally affected. But sometimes celebrity, public figure deaths carry more weight in how many people it reaches. Doesn’t make it any more tragic, only how many people are affected.

But talking seriously for a minute, as much of a sociopath and megalomaniac as he was early on in his career, I do feel like he did grow up over the course of his playing career and post career. He may forever be viewed by some as a scumbag for Colorado and the snitching aftermath. But I do believe he not only grew from that, but proactively tried to become a better person for it. Obviously, I don’t know for sure, as I have zero personal insight. But most personal reports indicate he developed into a pretty good dude later on and pretty much everything we read now about him being a good father, a generous mentor to young basketball players, and a determined and ambitious media (not social media, but film and print media) personality relate a different person than the young, arrogant Kobe.

I believe the 2008 Olympics began to paint a different portrait of Kobe, when young stars like LeBron and Wade who may have respected Kobe but viewed him as aloof and weird got to know him on a more personal level. And they started to understand him as a person. And after retirement, Dear Basketball, and his basketball relationship with his daughter, people started to see a different side. But hey, maybe he still was a scumbag and sociopath when he went down in the helicopter. As a Kobe fan, I’m hoping he did grow up from young Kobe, Colorado Kobe, snitching Kobe, megalomaniac Kobe.

And I was still sad today.

I get where you are coming from. It's kinda the same for me. This hit me quite hard, much more than I expected.

I am 36 now, and I grew up watching Dirk and cheering for him to win that elusive ring. Yet, all that time, Kobe, just like Ducan, was somehow always there. Their primes are essentially in the same period. I expected all these guys to somehow still be there when I grew old, and to speak more frankly about the game and how they saw it. I was indeed enjoying Kobe's post-career interviews, how honest he seemed, and how eager to also talk about other sports and subjects.

This is no way to go out man...

[Thread]

Yep worlds greatest Fake Laker Fan Chimes in with Club/Political Forum Bullshit. Proving how much of a Fake Lakers Fan he was(and everybody knew) over the years here.

Come on now "Dale" confess.

You've allays been an Arpaio, is he an uncle, great uncle, your grand pappy? Is he YOU?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1153755668647538688/8L6m_AQU_400x400.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSofyVjVt930EUTtGHR_wyFJ5qYGYPz xJbO3KC45FYRE8T8dhE1g&s


Allays struck me how He(YOU?) look like Dan Aykroyd as Judge Alvin in Nothing But Trouble.

I never defend my fandom. It's my religion.

---

Absolutely on Arpaio.

[Thread]

It's possible Kobe and the other rich parents onboard pressured the pilot to just fly. The guy in fear of possibly loosing his job took a deadly risk that ended up taking the life of his employer and himself. Sometimes rich famous people are not in a right state of mind. Rip Kobe.

Yes, I can see it. It's so (American) to brazen it out, though I don't see the "rich" angle. To eschew caution, to dismiss (it/warnings) out-of-hand..."just fly."
Then the warning bells out of the cockpit start in.

[Thread]

I agree. It looks like the pilot lost his bearings and didn't realize that they were about to hit the side of a mountain. Only thing we can hope for is they didn't realize anything was wrong and the sudden impact killed them all instantly with no suffering.

ill

[illmatic]

ill

I'm sorry Thread. I'm sick about it, truly.

[Thread]

I'm sorry Thread. I'm sick about it, truly.

It is awful, the inclusion of his daughter & the other child just makes it impossible.

[TimDunkem]

It is awful, the inclusion of his daughter & the other child just makes it impossible.

The other names have come out. It was Kobe, Gigi, two of Gigi's friends including the two parents of one and the mother of the other, and the pilot. So, 3 kids, 9 people in total.

Just fucking tragic.

[baseline bum]

It is awful, the inclusion of his daughter & the other child just makes it impossible.

Yeah man you could see how Kobe put so much of his best into his girl and how proud he was of her. Still feel kind of sick in my stomach over it.

[Laker_1995]

Still get teary eyed about it. I had so many fucking fights arguing that Kobe was better than other friends players when I was in elementary through high school. Days I would fucken get so mad I’d start crying because they would make fun of Kobe lol ( I know how dumb). But damn my family and myself grew up cherishing this guy on the court. We seen every damn game we could, every playoff series, everything and man for him to go out like this is absolutely devastating. We all gotta go one way but fuck man why like this though. Rest easy Kobe. love you king and I will always keep supporting you. People might think I’m exaggerating but I’ve been a fan since I was a damn 5 year old. This truly kills me.

[Thread]

Yeah man you could see how Kobe put so much of his best into his girl and how proud he was of her. Still feel kind of sick in my stomach over it.

Yes, and he never made an aside, or, a regret that there hadn't been a son. Not a peep. "We" did, "what if"...but, not Bryant. Kept his mouth shut.

He rehabbed himself from the rape, made amends to his victim & went about the business of rebuilding his life & marriage. She could have divorced him and returned the favor of humiliating him in public, but, She went to work with him. It was THEIR finest hour. They preserved the hearts of their children, kept them whole & undisturbed.

I love that about them.

[Thread]

Still get teary eyed about it. I had so many fucking fights arguing that Kobe was better than other friends players when I was in elementary through high school. Days I would fucken get so mad I’d start crying because they would make fun of Kobe lol ( I know how dumb). But damn my family and myself grew up cherishing this guy on the court. We seen every damn game we could, every playoff series, everything and man for him to go out like this is absolutely devastating. We all gotta go one way but fuck man why like this though. Rest easy Kobe. love you king and I will always keep supporting you. People might think I’m exaggerating but I’ve been a fan since I was a damn 5 year old. This truly kills me.

Still remember him in that game V. Boston...when Fish had to take him aside and lecture him to "quit bitching, shut up & go to the work." & his listened, went down into the paint & worked.

I've told that story countless times here, so forgive me today for it. He'd learned not to bust thru Fish, but, to listen to his counsel. He'd learned! He'd progressed.

[Thread]

Good to be back, but, I was going to wait till Election Night in November (win or lose).

Just a shame to be back for this event, but, I'm glad I didn't run away from it. That would not have been right.

[TDfan2007]

For a person I didn’t know at all personally, this shook me pretty hard. I’ve long been a Kobe fan, lived in LA for the second and third Shaq-Kobe championships. I’m old, already in my 40s, and I haven’t had an emotional reaction to a celebrity death like this since Biggie. No joke, this one hurt me.

I don’t disparage anyone for jokes or for throwing shade or hate. Over the years, I’ve seen worse things said on these boards. I actually expected more and worse. And death is always tragic, especially to those personally affected. But sometimes celebrity, public figure deaths carry more weight in how many people it reaches. Doesn’t make it any more tragic, only how many people are affected.

But talking seriously for a minute, as much of a sociopath and megalomaniac as he was early on in his career, I do feel like he did grow up over the course of his playing career and post career. He may forever be viewed by some as a scumbag for Colorado and the snitching aftermath. But I do believe he not only grew from that, but proactively tried to become a better person for it. Obviously, I don’t know for sure, as I have zero personal insight. But most personal reports indicate he developed into a pretty good dude later on and pretty much everything we read now about him being a good father, a generous mentor to young basketball players, and a determined and ambitious media (not social media, but film and print media) personality relate a different person than the young, arrogant Kobe.

I believe the 2008 Olympics began to paint a different portrait of Kobe, when young stars like LeBron and Wade who may have respected Kobe but viewed him as aloof and weird got to know him on a more personal level. And they started to understand him as a person. And after retirement, Dear Basketball, and his basketball relationship with his daughter, people started to see a different side. But hey, maybe he still was a scumbag and sociopath when he went down in the helicopter. As a Kobe fan, I’m hoping he did grow up from young Kobe, Colorado Kobe, snitching Kobe, megalomaniac Kobe.

And I was still sad today.

This post just about perfectly sums up my feelings on the topic. Very well put. Good to hear from you again, Jam.

[Proxy]

being at the airport in vegas yesterday when the news was still new was really sad, everyone reacting in different ways, tvs all on it

hard seeing all of the players, seeing Duncan and Sean and Becky in tears was tough to see.

[spurraider21]

Good to be back, but, I was going to wait till Election Night in November (win or lose).

Just a shame to be back for this event, but, I'm glad I didn't run away from it. That would not have been right.
good to have you back. and yeah, wish it was under better circumstances.

we joke and we troll. but there's still a human element to all this.

[Mark Celibate]

The number of paranoid, bigoted, right wing conspiracy theorists here is fairly amazing. Trump ran on being a bigot and republicans voted for him. People left the Democratic Party and became Republicans because the Democratic Party passed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and the opposition of the Democratic Party to bigotry. That's why the bigots left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party. Republicans try to suppress the vote of people of color and engage in extreme gerrymandering in order to hurt people of color. People of color know that and that's why people of color vote for Democratic candidates. Republicans oppose equality and want the country to return to the era where rich white men are in charge. African Americans were counted as 3/5 of a person and slavery was legal until the Emancipation Proclamation and it was still in practice along with Jim Crows laws and a poll tax and a literacy test and a grandfather clause until the 1960s. That's about 3/4 of this nation's history and the effects of this discrimination don't get overcome without action . When republicans have to assert everybody else is lying and unreliable in order to try to defend factually wrong propositions, they ought to realize that they are held captive by the priority of the paradigm. Using the N word or attacking people of a different faith or background doesn't make you edgy or cool; it reveals you as ignorant. Why right wing bigots would insist upon revealing their own ignorance and making all of these bigoted statements in a thread dedicated to Kobe Bryant's passing is almost beyond me. I remember when I was a member under a different name and while this ugliness existed , it wasn't as prominent. There used to be a focus on the game in depth and people didn't throw their ugliness into threads where it wasn't relevant. The ugliness that others introduced here was answered . This post was necessary because all of that ugliness was posted in this thread and it wouldn't have been necessary if everybody had stuck to the topic instead of throwing in the irrelevant bigotry and political stuff and conspiracy theories making clear their utter inability to engage in critical thinking and determine what are and what are not reliable sources . One news station and uneducated radio talk shows are not reliable sources of information when they contradict all other independent sources of information whether it would be all of the press or universities and peer reviewed journal articles.

I figured some a$$hole would find a way to take this event and use it to attack Trump somehow.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1221820357059010561?s=19

[benefactor]

Still get teary eyed about it. I had so many fucking fights arguing that Kobe was better than other friends players when I was in elementary through high school. Days I would fucken get so mad I’d start crying because they would make fun of Kobe lol ( I know how dumb). But damn my family and myself grew up cherishing this guy on the court. We seen every damn game we could, every playoff series, everything and man for him to go out like this is absolutely devastating. We all gotta go one way but fuck man why like this though. Rest easy Kobe. love you king and I will always keep supporting you. People might think I’m exaggerating but I’ve been a fan since I was a damn 5 year old. This truly kills me.
Hell we all get it man. If it was Tim Duncan in that chopper I would probably lose a whole week of my life.

[apalisoc_9]

Embrace Islam before it is too late. Life is fragile and unexpected as it what was made to be.

I'm sure even the haters would admit that Kobe was a huge part of their life.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I agree I have felt like that for years if the Lakers weren't around the Spurs would have won 7 or 8. That's the biggest reason I would lose my cool when the spurs lost in '01 and '02 to the Lakers that there was nobody else that could beat them. It was so damn frustrating knowing the Spurs could ring those years but the Lakers were there to stop it.
Exactly. It's not like there was a 80s Celtics or 90s Bulls or early 10s Heatles type of team on the other side that would have been in the way. Those Pacers, Nets, 76ers teams of the early 00s were inferior to all the top 4-5 teams in the West, maybe more. Hell, the 76ers made the Finals with literally one scoring option.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The other names have come out. It was Kobe, Gigi, two of Gigi's friends including the two parents of one and the mother of the other, and the pilot. So, 3 kids, 9 people in total.

Just fucking tragic.
yes. Two girls same age as GiGi Bryant, one named Payton and the other Alyssa. 7th grade basketball players for Kobe's private "Mamba" team league.

[Medvedenko]

I'm going to need a minute.....

[Tyronn Lue]

Remember that time Culburn wished the Spurs plane would hit the side of a mountian?

[Tyronn Lue]

Embrace Islam before it is too late. Life is fragile and unexpected as it what was made to be.

I'm sure even the haters would admit that Kobe was a huge part of their life.

dont nobody give a fucc about yo islam you asian hobbit fucc

[lefty]

I'm going to need a minute.....
To nuuuuuuuuuut

[LkrFan]

Embrace Islam before it is too late. Life is fragile and unexpected as it what was made to be.

I'm sure even the haters would admit that Kobe was a huge part of their life.

And give up bacon?
https://media1.tenor.com/images/a96e9996a83883d1b2f105e4ce245d00/tenor.gif?itemid=3893071

:lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Embrace Islam before it is too late. Life is fragile and unexpected as it what was made to be.

I'm sure even the haters would admit that Kobe was a huge part of their life.

Kobe is Catholic, dumbass.

[FkLA]

TMac on The Jump saying that Kobe used to tell him he wanted to die young. Wanted to be immortalized. Sounds about right for a guy that was always obsessed with his image.

Guessing that changed for him once he had daughters and a wife to live for though.

[Reck]

TMac on The Jump saying that Kobe used to tell him he wanted to die young. Wanted to be immortalized. Sounds about right for a guy that was always obsessed with his image.

Guessing that changed for him once he had daughters and a wife to live for though.

To be fair, that's something we all think about at some point in our lives. The thought of getting old and fragile, been put in a home, not being able to move or get up or do anything independently is something that you think of as a burden.

That outlook changes as you mature, get marry and have kids though.

[FrostKing]

Kobe is Catholic, dumbass.
Orthodox Roman Catholic

[Ball Buster]

Friggin’ pilot error man... dumb ass flew low into fog, misread his instruments, became disoriented and smashed into a mountainside. He should have never put those people in danger like that. He could have landed in Van Nuys. Extremely unprofessional. That idiot pilot destroyed 3 families.

Just outrageous.

[baseline bum]

And give up bacon?
https://media1.tenor.com/images/a96e9996a83883d1b2f105e4ce245d00/tenor.gif?itemid=3893071

:lol

cervezas too