TMZ Reporting Kobe died this morning in helicopter crash

[Thread]

Friggin’ pilot error man... dumb ass flew low into fog, misread his instruments, became disoriented and smashed into a mountainside. He should have never put those people in danger like that. He could have landed in Van Nuys. Extremely unprofessional. That idiot pilot destroyed 3 families.

Just outrageous.

[LkrFan]

cervezas too

:lol

[Jules_Winnfield]

Kobe in his grave...

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[Dirks_Finale]

Friggin’ pilot error man... dumb ass flew low into fog, misread his instruments, became disoriented and smashed into a mountainside. He should have never put those people in danger like that. He could have landed in Van Nuys. Extremely unprofessional. That idiot pilot destroyed 3 families.

Just outrageous.How do we know that? How do we know Kobe wasn't pushing him to do it? When job security is an issue, you will stand on your head if your employer tells you to.

[Ball Buster]

How do we know that? How do we know Kobe wasn't pushing him to do it? When job security is an issue, you will stand on your head if your employer tells you to.

What’s with this stupid narrative the pilots boss was forcing the pilot to fly into dangerous conditions?

Even if that was the case, and even if there was technical failure, the pilot still had no business flying that low in the fog and endangering everybody on board. Very unprofessional mistake. The pilot should’ve recognize the danger, put her down in Van Nuys. And called for a car service to Calabasas. Helicopter pilots do it all the time.

[Budkin]

Still hard to believe today. Fuck.

[Clipper Nation]

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Clearly the right decision. It would not have been fair to expect the Lakers to play such an important game so soon after this tragedy.

[Spurtacular]

TMac on The Jump saying that Kobe used to tell him he wanted to die young. Wanted to be immortalized. Sounds about right for a guy that was always obsessed with his image.

Guessing that changed for him once he had daughters and a wife to live for though.

He wouldn't have chosen to die young either way.

[FrostKing]

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Clearly the right decision. It would not have been fair to expect the Lakers to play such an important game so soon after this tragedy.
Opposite. Clippers would have been treated as villain/enemy

[Legacy]

Magic has been HIV-positive since 91 and he's still alive.

Probably the reason we saw Laker players as immortal beings, tbh.

[Killakobe81]

What’s with this stupid narrative the pilots boss was forcing the pilot to fly into dangerous conditions?

Even if that was the case, and even if there was technical failure, the pilot still had no business flying that low in the fog and endangering everybody on board. Very unprofessional mistake. The pilot should’ve recognize the danger, put her down in Van Nuys. And called for a car service to Calabasas. Helicopter pilots do it all the time.

This. Safety of the aircraft and passengers is first priority...

[Killakobe81]

Opposite. Clippers would have been treated as villain/enemy

Still will be but you can't play that game its to soon... Besides I want George back anyway... But tbh I really don't care about this season maybe it will change but I don't right now

[Mugen]

Still will be but you can't play that game its to soon... Besides I want George back anyway... But tbh I really don't care about this season maybe it will change but I don't right now

Killa, my man. As one of the OG laker fans on the board, I hope you're holding up well...

If this happened to Timmy or Manu, I'd be pretty f'n beat up even if I don't know those guys at all tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Opposite. Clippers would have been treated as villain/enemy
The Lakers were the ones who requested to postpone the game, though. It's just tough to ask that team to get prepared for a basketball game after spending the day with grief counselors. More than anyone else, the Lakers need time to mourn.

[Legacy]

I actually lost some sleep on this one. Still dumbfounded and befuddled AF.

[baseline bum]

Still will be but you can't play that game its to soon... Besides I want George back anyway... But tbh I really don't care about this season maybe it will change but I don't right now

Yeah you can't play this game until Kobe's burial when Laker fans can finally say goodbye. Hope you can start enjoying the season again at some point though. At least enjoy this clip man. Probably the greatest game I have ever seen anyone have against the Spurs, and I have been watching them since the tail end of Ice's career.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawbo3NOmR4

[Ball Buster]

Been having messed up thoughts all day. Shits so fucked up.

[JamStone]

Just saw a replay of the TMac segment on NBA jump... fuuuuck...

[baseline bum]

Just saw a replay of the TMac segment on NBA jump... fuuuuck...

Damn that was rough when he was talking about watching Gigi play. For anyone who hasn't seen it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_IhQyB2uu8

[Spurtacular]

Yeah you can't play this game until Kobe's burial when Laker fans can finally say goodbye. Hope you can start enjoying the season again at some point though. At least enjoy this clip man. Probably the greatest game I have ever seen anyone have against the Spurs, and I have been watching them since the tail end of Ice's career.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawbo3NOmR4

Ghost fouls galore. I always take Kobe's "legacy" with a grain of salt. WWE basketball was peak when he played.

11:02 To see all Kobe's bricks from outside the paint.

[Mark Celibate]

Yeah you can't play this game until Kobe's burial when Laker fans can finally say goodbye. Hope you can start enjoying the season again at some point though. At least enjoy this clip man. Probably the greatest game I have ever seen anyone have against the Spurs, and I have been watching them since the tail end of Ice's career.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawbo3NOmR4

yeah I can't believe so many guys here hated on Kobe for years. Outside of Jordan, who's been better on both ends of the floor at that position? I know he gets a lot of flack for the legacy defensive awards he got later in his career, but he was an elite defender in the early 2000's. He shits all over Harden tbh. Shit, just in this game alone he throws it down on Duncan/Robinson four times.

[benefactor]

Damn that was rough when he was talking about watching Gigi play. For anyone who hasn't seen it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_IhQyB2uu8
Watched this today too. Fucking heartbreaking.

[Bill_Brasky]

Yeah you can't play this game until Kobe's burial when Laker fans can finally say goodbye. Hope you can start enjoying the season again at some point though. At least enjoy this clip man. Probably the greatest game I have ever seen anyone have against the Spurs, and I have been watching them since the tail end of Ice's career.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawbo3NOmR4

Man that's just magnificent to watch now, years later. Funny to think how badly i hated him as a 12 year old.

[UZER]

A way they could honor him is to permanently change the shot clock to 24.8 seconds.

It would forever be a part of everything single game without a drastic change.

[baseline bum]

yeah I can't believe so many guys here hated on Kobe for years. Outside of Jordan, who's been better on both ends of the floor at that position? I know he gets a lot of flack for the legacy defensive awards he got later in his career, but he was an elite defender in the early 2000's. He shits all over Harden tbh. Shit, just in this game alone he throws it down on Duncan/Robinson four times.

I'm not going to lie, I fucking hated him in that era. And I think Kobe was thrilled with how much Spurs fans hated him. Used to make my blood boil when he'd get cocky before a game and talk about how much he loved playing in the Alamodome. And yet he was always one of my favorite players in the game to watch, especially living in LA and getting to see that ridiculous run they went on in the first half of the 00s every night on KCAL or Fox Sports West. Now that he's gone I can't really use the schtick I trolled Lakers fans here for years with about him being just another role player to Shaq when he's really the guy who murdered the Spurs for years. But yeah you couldn't be a basketball fan and not enjoy watching the man play, even when it's against your team.

[baseline bum]

Man that's just magnificent to watch now, years later. Funny to think how badly i hated him as a 12 year old.

The three games I always think of for Kobe vs the Spurs are this one, Game 4 in 04 when I think he dropped like 45 on Bruce Bowen (who the fuck ever dropped 40+ on Bruce?), and then him going supernova I think late in the third quarter of Game 1 of the 08 WCF to erase a 20 point lead in no time like it was nothing. Sad that I'll never get to hear an old Kobe Bryant talk about those ridiculous performances against such elite defenses. I was always hoping to see Kobe and Tim just discussing their rivalry on ESPN one day in a 30 for 30 special.

[UZER]

Yeah you can't play this game until Kobe's burial when Laker fans can finally say goodbye. Hope you can start enjoying the season again at some point though. At least enjoy this clip man. Probably the greatest game I have ever seen anyone have against the Spurs, and I have been watching them since the tail end of Ice's career.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawbo3NOmR4

I got so used to old bald Manu, for a microsecond I thought that was him taking that charge against Kobe in that second highlight.

Danny Ferry :lol

Manu never played in the Alamodome.

[Mark Celibate]

I'm not going to lie, I fucking hated him in that era. And I think Kobe was thrilled with how much Spurs fans hated him. Used to make my blood boil when he'd get cocky before a game and talk about how much he loved playing in the Alamodome. And yet he was always one of my favorite players in the game to watch, especially living in LA and getting to see that ridiculous run they went on in the first half of the 00s every night on KCAL or Fox Sports West. Now that he's gone I can't really use the schtick I trolled Lakers fans here for years with about him being just another role player to Shaq when he's really the guy who murdered the Spurs for years. But yeah you couldn't be a basketball fan and not enjoy watching the man play, even when it's against your team.

ever since I started watching basketball in 2001 or so, there wasn't anybody even close to Kobe in terms of who scared me the most as an opponent taking the final shot late in the game. Although Curry could've possibly been up there too if the Mavs were actually relevant during the Warriors run. Kobe had so many games against Dallas in the regular season where he would put it away damm near every time in the 4th quarter like clockwork. I'll never forget watching live that wild comeback they had against us in 2002. Even in the 2011 playoff series, I remember he missed a game winning three point shot that was halfway down before rimming out in Game 1. All of us Mavs' fans had our a$$es clinched when that ball was in the air probably figuring it was gonna go in. I truly think if that shot went in, it would've been backbreaking enough for Dallas to lose the series instead of the sweep

[daslicer]

I'm not going to lie, I fucking hated him in that era. And I think Kobe was thrilled with how much Spurs fans hated him. Used to make my blood boil when he'd get cocky before a game and talk about how much he loved playing in the Alamodome. And yet he was always one of my favorite players in the game to watch, especially living in LA and getting to see that ridiculous run they went on in the first half of the 00s every night on KCAL or Fox Sports West. Now that he's gone I can't really use the schtick I trolled Lakers fans here for years with about him being just another role player to Shaq when he's really the guy who murdered the Spurs for years. But yeah you couldn't be a basketball fan and not enjoy watching the man play, even when it's against your team.

Absolutely I agree he did get off at getting underneath the skin of Spur fans. The worst part was when he hit a big shot, or had a great game against the Spurs and he would talk a lot trash along with taunting Spur players. That shit always drove me nuts. I remember at times just wanting to jump through the TV and punch his smug face. Objectively if you weren't a Spur fan it was fun to see but it was hell being a spur fan when he had big games and big moments against the Spurs.

Go to 22:22 just to see the typical smugness he had against the Spurs.
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[baseline bum]

ever since I started watching basketball in 2001 or so, there wasn't anybody even close to Kobe in terms of who scared me the most as an opponent taking the final shot late in the game. Although Curry could've possibly been up there too if the Mavs were actually relevant during the Warriors run. Kobe had so many games against Dallas in the regular season where he would put it away damm near every time in the 4th quarter like clockwork. I'll never forget watching live that wild comeback they had against us in 2002. Even in the 2011 playoff series, I remember he missed a game winning three point shot that was halfway down before rimming out in Game 1. All of us Mavs' fans had our a$$es clinched when that ball was in the air probably figuring it was gonna go in. I truly think if that shot went in, it would've been backbreaking enough for Dallas to lose the series instead of the sweep

Yeah I was floored when Kobe missed that three. Same feeling I got watching Bird miss that three at the buzzer in Game 4 of the 1987 Finals. Both of those I thought were good the second they left each's hand. But I don't think there was any stopping that 11 Mavs team short of injury.

[baseline bum]

Absolutely I agree he did get off at getting underneath the skin of Spur fans. The worst part was when he hit a big shot, or had a great game against the Spurs and he would talk a lot trash along with taunting Spur players. That shit always drove me nuts. I remember at times just wanting to jump through the TV and punch his smug face. Objectively if you weren't a Spur fan it was fun to see but it was hell being a spur fan when he had big games and big moments against the Spurs.

Go to 22:22 just to see the typical smugness he had against the Spurs.
4Q8v0TwPCi4

Ah man that Game 2. Phil Jackson getting ejected and walking all the way across the court to leave while shooting death stares at his team. I can't believe that's not a more iconic moment than it is, because they kicked it into a new gear as soon as Jackson challenged them like that.

[daslicer]

Ah man that Game 2. Phil Jackson getting ejected and walking all the way across the court to leave while shooting death stares at his team. I can't believe that's not a more iconic moment than it is, because they kicked it into a new gear as soon as Jackson challenged them like that.

I was in hschool watching that game and thinking when the Spurs went up by double digits that they were going to easily win that game. Duncan was killing it and just straight up owning the Lakers but it went downhill after halftime.

[UZER]

People forget the hacking the Lakers were always allowed to get away with in the 4th qtr. Phil knew the Lakers are the marquee franchise and would always be allowed to get with away with a little here, a little there. He always had them ramp up the physicality in the 4th knowing they’d get a long extra leash.

That was a big reason it was so hard to bury them if you were ahead, or catch up if you were behind, or make the one big play.

[Thunder Dan]

this is the worst. I keep thinking maybe the universe made a mistake and can change it's mind.

[Mark Celibate]

Absolutely I agree he did get off at getting underneath the skin of Spur fans. The worst part was when he hit a big shot, or had a great game against the Spurs and he would talk a lot trash along with taunting Spur players. That shit always drove me nuts. I remember at times just wanting to jump through the TV and punch his smug face. Objectively if you weren't a Spur fan it was fun to see but it was hell being a spur fan when he had big games and big moments against the Spurs.

Go to 22:22 just to see the typical smugness he had against the Spurs.
4Q8v0TwPCi4

:lol I actually watched this whole DVD when I was younger and remember thinking what a douche Fox was during the whole video. Acting all arrogant like that when he was just riding the coattails of Shaq/Kobe. Literally every championship team has some role player like that who takes himself way too seriously

[baseline bum]

:lol I actually watched this whole DVD when I was younger and remember thinking what a douche Fox was during the whole video. Acting all arrogant like that when he was just riding the coattails of Shaq/Kobe. Literally every championship team has some role player like that who takes himself way too seriously

I remember Rick Fox being all up in Danny Ferry's and Terry Porter's shit that series and keeping them from getting the kind of open three point looks they were living off the first two rounds, while still being able to give help on Duncan down low. I remember being pretty impressed by his motor that series. But god he looked washed up by 2001-02.

[Mark Celibate]

Yeah I was floored when Kobe missed that three. Same feeling I got watching Bird miss that three at the buzzer in Game 4 of the 1987 Finals. Both of those I thought were good the second they left each's hand. But I don't think there was any stopping that 11 Mavs team short of injury.


I guess we'll never know, but that series was a big turning point for the Mavericks franchise. The Lakers were two time champs and the Mavs were the perennial chokers. If that shot goes in, I don't think the Mavs are able to mentally overcome it. It wasn't until after that series that anybody (including myself) even had them as a possible contender, everyone assumed LA would steamroll them. Games 1-3 were still fairly competitive until LA quit and melted down in Game 4. Would've been interesting to see the Mavs vs Spurs in the 11 playoffs though

[Blake]

:lol I actually watched this whole DVD when I was younger and remember thinking what a douche Fox was during the whole video. Acting all arrogant like that when he was just riding the coattails of Shaq/Kobe. Literally every championship team has some role player like that who takes himself way too seriously

but his acting in movies was superb tho.

[baseline bum]

I guess we'll never know, but that series was a big turning point for the Mavericks franchise. The Lakers were two time champs and the Mavs were the perennial chokers. If that shot goes in, I don't think the Mavs are able to mentally overcome it. It wasn't until after that series that anybody (including myself) even had them as a possible contender, everyone assumed LA would steamroll them. Games 1-3 were still fairly competitive until LA quit and melted down in Game 4. Would've been interesting to see the Mavs vs Spurs in the 11 playoffs though

11 Mavs would have killed the 11 Spurs. Five games max. That 11 Spurs team's record came from starting the season as hot as any Spurs team ever but they were out of gas by mid March. I think the only WC team they would have won a series against that year was New Orleans.

[baseline bum]

:lol I actually watched this whole DVD when I was younger and remember thinking what a douche Fox was during the whole video. Acting all arrogant like that when he was just riding the coattails of Shaq/Kobe. Literally every championship team has some role player like that who takes himself way too seriously

And man I actually have that DVD. :lol

[FrostKing]

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[benefactor]

but his acting in movies was superb tho.
Random, but I just got done watching him do coke with Frank on Shameless.:lol

[Spurtacular]

Still surreal, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

:lol I actually watched this whole DVD when I was younger and remember thinking what a douche Fox was during the whole video. Acting all arrogant like that when he was just riding the coattails of Shaq/Kobe. Literally every championship team has some role player like that who takes himself way too seriously

32:43 You'd think that game was on Dick Fox's shoulders. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

T-Wolves trolled kobe and the lakers by situating the ball at the free throw line for 8 seconds to take a violation.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Friggin’ pilot error man... dumb ass flew low into fog, misread his instruments, became disoriented and smashed into a mountainside. He should have never put those people in danger like that. He could have landed in Van Nuys. Extremely unprofessional. That idiot pilot destroyed 3 families.

Just outrageous.
Yes the pilot's estate should definitely be sued up the gazoo, not so much by billionaire Vanessa but by the family of the other two little girls.

[Kyle_Kuzma]

y’all seem that kobe short film? not gonna lie, i shed man tears on that shit today.

no wonder it won oscars ffs. kobe’s hof speech, posthumously

[Ginobilly]

Yes the pilot's estate should definitely be sued up the gazoo, not so much by billionaire Vanessa but by the family of the other two little girls.

Yup, the pilot is going to get the blame for this whole trajedy when it should be kobe's also. Kobe for possibly being stubborn and pressuring his pilot to fly, and him for listening to him when he should of trusted his professional judgement. You'll actually think pilots love to fly in shitty conditions? Most of the time when there up there is because they have a job to do or are following orders by people who don't really understand the risks.

[Will Hunting]

Yup, the pilot is going to get the blame for this whole trajedy when it should be kobe's also. Kobe for possibly being stubborn and pressuring his pilot to fly, and him for listening to him when he should of trusted his professional judgement. You'll actually think pilots love to fly in shitty conditions? Most of the time when there up there is because they have a job to do or are following orders by people who don't really understand the risks.
There’s absolutely no evidence Kobe “pressured” the pilot to fly, that’s completely made up speculation.

[Chris Fall]

Andrew Wiggins of T-wolves places basketball at the free throw line where Kobe surpassed Jordan in career points for the 8 second backcourt violation. Pretty cool.

UConn women's team places jersey and flowers on a chair at their bench for GiGi. *tear

[Spurtacular]

Kobe died the way he lived, arrogantly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofaAod-WoQ

[313]

There’s absolutely no evidence Kobe “pressured” the pilot to fly, that’s completely made up speculation.

[ElNono]

A way they could honor him is to permanently change the shot clock to 24.8 seconds.

It would forever be a part of everything single game without a drastic change.

They could also build a statue with all the bricks he shot, tbh

[ElNono]

Been having messed up thoughts all day. Shits so fucked up.

Why don't you take a chopper to work tomorrow? Relieve some of that stress...

[Blake]

Yup, the pilot is going to get the blame for this whole trajedy when it should be kobe's also. Kobe for possibly being stubborn and pressuring his pilot to fly, and him for listening to him when he should of trusted his professional judgement. You'll actually think pilots love to fly in shitty conditions? Most of the time when there up there is because they have a job to do or are following orders by people who don't really understand the risks.

Yeah I bet instead of letting the pilot do his Derek Fisher duty he just grabbed the copter joystick and went into Kobe 50 point no pass the ball down low to Shaq mode

And normally I don't give a shit about spelling but lol "trajedy".

[The Gemini Method]

Spent a couple hours outside Staples with the throng of mourners. Spoke to a few who had been there and they were there when Quinn Cook stopped by. Shared some stories and it was cathartic. Many were making it a social media thing was kinda appalling, but I mean, I can't be mad because that's the world we live in.

[313]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QYy8lrww8&feature=youtu.be

[Benoit]

Yes the pilot's estate should definitely be sued up the gazoo, not so much by billionaire Vanessa but by the family of the other two little girls.
Man I keep thinking about Vanessa finally cashing in but forgetting about the losing her daughter part.

[Tyronn Lue]

Kobe died the way he lived, arrogantly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofaAod-WoQ

you start off with condolence but it didn't take you long to descend into your normal shit talking

[Tyronn Lue]

Man I keep thinking about Vanessa finally cashing in but forgetting about the losing her daughter part.

no it's that little girl whose family died that's going to sue for wrongful death probably sue the Bryant's

[Blake]

no it's that little girl whose family died that's going to sue for wrongful death probably sue the Bryant's

Kobe neither piloted nor owned the plane.

[Chucho]

They could also build a statue with all the bricks he shot, tbh

And they said he couldnt hit the side of a moutain... he showed them.

[Spurtacular]

you start off with condolence but it didn't take you long to descend into your normal shit talking

Keep thinking I care about an anonymous alt's judgement.

[LkrFan]

Opposite. Clippers would have been treated as villain/enemy

They still will be whenever they play. LA is a Laker town.

[Legacy]

Kobe was determined to live his best life and he accomplished things that so many people could only dream of accomplishing in such a short amount of time. This is what gives me peace to his passing. He won't be seen as a "tragic figure" like Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston as well as so many other celeb icons we've lost due to addictions and their own self-defeating behavior. Stay strong and be proud, Laker fans.

[Killakobe81]

Spent a couple hours outside Staples with the throng of mourners. Spoke to a few who had been there and they were there when Quinn Cook stopped by. Shared some stories and it was cathartic. Many were making it a social media thing was kinda appalling, but I mean, I can't be mad because that's the world we live in.

Dope. Glad cook did that. I feel it all the way here in Dallas but in te city I bet it's much worse.

[Ball Buster]

Why don't you take a chopper to work tomorrow? Relieve some of that stress...

ooh, the edgy, fat, bald, Argentinian got jokes. :rolleyes

[JamStone]

You know, after a person dies, a lot of people start sharing stories of how nice and great that person was. The old adage of not wanting to speak ill of the dead. You get there may be some embellishments, some half truths, maybe blatant lies to put that person in a better light. But these past few days listening and hearing a lot of these personal accounts from people have really brought a seriously human side out of Kobe.

How he and Shaq were the first two people to call Steven A Smith after his mom passed. How Kobe sought the address to send flowers to Wilbon after his heart attack. How he reached out to various athletes across sports from tennis to US women soccer to baseball and football after they had serious or career threatening injuries to offer encouragement and inspiration. Mending relationships later in life, with Shaq or Shelley Smith. All the young NBA players he lifted up as they were just trying to get a footing in the league. You hear these personal stories, some non related to basketball at all. And obviously his relationship with his daughters. It really felt like he evolved into a much different person later in life. Shaq’s son sharing his texts with Kobe and his uncle-nephew relationship with him kind of put into perspective the perception of the relationship between him and Shaq. And yesterday Rachel Nichols speaking about how she observed Kobe making sincere efforts to treating women better the rest of his life after the events in Colorado.

Yeah, maybe it’s death marketing, emotional fluff. Exaggerated tales to make you get the feels. But I don’t know. A lot of them feel sincere and genuine. And while most of the time, we hear about how athletes and celebrities are pieces of shit, you heard really nice things about Kobe post retirement even before he died. About how he treated people, encouraged people, inspired people, challenged people to be better. If he was still the scumbag and sociopath later in life and when he died, he sure did a good job hiding it from people he had relationships with. Maybe that scumbag and sociopath died many years before the older Kobe did.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Man I keep thinking about Vanessa finally cashing in but forgetting about the losing her daughter part.
She still has billions of dollars and 3 kids, I think she's alright. And she's only 37, so if she wants a 4th one back she can always remarry and make more kids. She better get a prenup though, lol.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You know, after a person dies, a lot of people start sharing stories of how nice and great that person was. The old adage of not wanting to speak ill of the dead. You get there may be some embellishments, some half truths, maybe blatant lies to put that person in a better light. But these past few days listening and hearing a lot of these personal accounts from people have really brought a seriously human side out of Kobe.

How he and Shaq were the first two people to call Steven A Smith after his mom passed. How Kobe sought the address to send flowers to Wilbon after his heart attack. How he reached out to various athletes across sports from tennis to US women soccer to baseball and football after they had serious or career threatening injuries to offer encouragement and inspiration. Mending relationships later in life, with Shaq or Shelley Smith. All the young NBA players he lifted up as they were just trying to get a footing in the league. You hear these personal stories, some non related to basketball at all. And obviously his relationship with his daughters. It really felt like he evolved into a much different person later in life. Shaq’s son sharing his texts with Kobe and his uncle-nephew relationship with him kind of put into perspective the perception of the relationship between him and Shaq. And yesterday Rachel Nichols speaking about how she observed Kobe making sincere efforts to treating women better the rest of his life after the events in Colorado.

Yeah, maybe it’s death marketing, emotional fluff. Exaggerated tales to make you get the feels. But I don’t know. A lot of them feel sincere and genuine. And while most of the time, we hear about how athletes and celebrities are pieces of shit, you heard really nice things about Kobe post retirement even before he died. About how he treated people, encouraged people, inspired people, challenged people to be better. If he was still the scumbag and sociopath later in life and when he died, he sure did a good job hiding it from people he had relationships with. Maybe that scumbag and sociopath died many years before the older Kobe did.

yes, I think #8 Kobe was a total sociopathic primadonna scumbag, but #24 was a better man IMO.

[Millennial_Messiah]

no it's that little girl whose family died that's going to sue for wrongful death probably sue the Bryant's

Two little girls (excluding GiGi), not 1

sue the pilot's estate, and if they can't get money out of that sue the CA government.

[daslicer]

She still has billions of dollars and 3 kids, I think she's alright. And she's only 37, so if she wants a 4th one back she can always remarry and make more kids. She better get a prenup though, lol.

I was thinking about how she is now a rich sugar mama. Any guy who decides to marry her is getting a few hundred million dollars.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I was thinking about how she is now a rich sugar mama. Any guy who decides to marry her is getting a few hundred million dollars.

I would marry her like tomorrow no matter how much she weighs... do whatever she wants me to do for her in bed, and make sure to make at least one child with her. Then in a year or two, divorce citing "irreconcilable differences" and with the alimony/child support she'd be paying me, I could buy a new car every week. :lol

[LkrFan]

T-Wolves trolled kobe and the lakers by situating the ball at the free throw line for 8 seconds to take a violation.

That wasn't trolling. Your post is trolling.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/JeffVaughn/status/1222041426713694208?s=19

Never before Kobe had a teenage guard successfully jump straight to the NBA. And this is the first time I've heard of a clear HOF player getting into the hall, posthumously on the 1st ballot, without a vote.

I'm happy and sad for his family. :(

[Millennial_Messiah]

That wasn't trolling. Your post is trolling.

2004 Western Conference Finals - 6 Games


Timberwolves: 127 FTA
Lakers: 186 FTA

Garnett: 32 FTA
Kobe: 56 FTA

:lol #refball

[Mugen]

https://twitter.com/JeffVaughn/status/1222041426713694208?s=19

Never before Kobe had a teenage guard successfully jump straight to the NBA. And this is the first time I've heard of a clear HOF player getting into the hall, posthumously on the 1st ballot, without a vote.

I'm happy and sad for his family. :(

Well yeah, because he died....

Imagine if they still allowed voting for Kobe and somebody voted against him like Jeter :lol

[LkrFan]

Well yeah, because he died....

Imagine if they still allowed voting for Kobe and somebody voted against him like Jeter :lol

Probably Chris Mannix (blasted Celtics fan) :lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1222183949599936512?s=19

[MultiTroll]

Have burqa sales spiked in the Los Angeles area?

[Mugen]

:lol @ the calls for changing the NBA logo to Kobe....

That'd be horrible tbh.

[illmatic]

:lol @ the calls for changing the NBA logo to Kobe....

That'd be horrible tbh.

Why?

[Mugen]

Why?

You really think they should change the logo to Kobe? I get that it was a tragic death but that seems overly reactionary.

So if Jordan dies next weekend, what do you think they should do?

[spurraider21]

Yeah you can't play this game until Kobe's burial when Laker fans can finally say goodbye. Hope you can start enjoying the season again at some point though. At least enjoy this clip man. Probably the greatest game I have ever seen anyone have against the Spurs, and I have been watching them since the tail end of Ice's career.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawbo3NOmR4
he was just so silky smooth, while having great athleticism and size/length for the position. yeah, guys like russ and rose were probably faster and more explosive, but kobe was always smooth and in control. great body control, footwork, etc. that comes from practice and working on your craft.

i had issues with the way he played (shot selection, etc)... but he did look a lot like mike in that midrange and when attacking the basket.

tmac had some of that "smoothness" too but he just liked to rise up over people since he was bigger

[Millennial_Messiah]

he was just so silky smooth, while having great athleticism and size/length for the position. yeah, guys like russ and rose were probably faster and more explosive, but kobe was always smooth and in control. great body control, footwork, etc. that comes from practice and working on your craft.

i had issues with the way he played (shot selection, etc)... but he did look a lot like mike in that midrange and when attacking the basket.

tmac had some of that "smoothness" too but he just liked to rise up over people since he was bigger

Injuries really hampered McGrady at the wrong time too early into his career. At least with Kobe the debilitating injury problems didn't start plaguing him until he was much older

[Texas_Ranger]

:lol @ the calls for changing the NBA logo to Kobe....

That'd be horrible tbh.

just as stupid as retiring his numbers.

[dbreiden83080]

I see ESPN has the infamous Kobe didn't flinch video on their homepage. Of course that was debunked like a year ago, but time to rewrite some history I guess..

[dbreiden83080]

:lol @ the calls for changing the NBA logo to Kobe....

That'd be horrible tbh.

They are going to do something. I am sure Silver and his lackeys are in meetings about it right now...

[Mugen]

I see ESPN has the infamous Kobe didn't flinch video on their homepage. Of course that was debunked like a year ago, but time to rewrite some history I guess..

I mean, get very used to it.

[Mugen]

They are going to do something. I am sure Silver and his lackeys are in meetings about it right now...

I'd be fine if they wanted to retire 24 tbh. I don't necessarily agree with it but I get it. Retiring 8 as well would be just as dumb as changing the logo or the other ridiculous stuff I've heard the last few days.

[dbreiden83080]

I'd be fine if they wanted to retire 24 tbh. I don't necessarily agree with it but I get it. Retiring 8 as well would be just as dumb as changing the logo or the other ridiculous stuff I've heard the last few days.


Retire 24 around the league and that is all good.. Hell if this happened to TD, 21 retired around the league would be all good by me as well..

[ElNono]

ooh, the edgy, fat, bald, Argentinian got jokes. :rolleyes

Keep telling us how you really feel

[HarlemHeat37]

Retire 24 around the league and that is all good.. Hell if this happened to TD, 21 retired around the league would be all good by me as well..

There would be no chance of anything like that happening if Duncan died:lol it would barely make an impact, tbh.

Jordan, Kobe, Lebron and maybe Magic are probably the only NBA players in history that would make a significant impact.

[dbreiden83080]

There would be no chance of anything like that happening if Duncan died:lol it would barely make an impact, tbh.

Jordan, Kobe, Lebron and maybe Magic are probably the only NBA players in history that would make a significant impact.

I think they'd retire 21 league wide. But lets hope Tim dies a very old man..

[UZER]

I see ESPN has the infamous Kobe didn't flinch video on their homepage. Of course that was debunked like a year ago, but time to rewrite some history I guess..

Is the Kobe didn’t do it in Colorado video there too?

[Mugen]

There would be no chance of anything like that happening if Duncan died:lol it would barely make an impact, tbh.

Jordan, Kobe, Lebron and maybe Magic are probably the only NBA players in history that would make a significant impact.

Yeah, that's true. Honestly, Tim would think a lot of this would be dumb AF if it happened to him tbh.

[jstep13]

:lol @ the calls for changing the NBA logo to Kobe....

That'd be horrible tbh.

What would the silhouette for Kobe NBA logo look like?

[whitemamba]

Shout out to the classy Spur fans showing respect to a fallen icon...

Big shout out tbh , rest of you can put your favorite sandals on and kick sharp rocks.

[UZER]

I said make the shot clock 24.8 long. He’ll be remembered forever in every game. Don’t change the logo.

[Thebesteva]

Yeah, that's true. Honestly, Tim would think a lot of this would be dumb AF if it happened to him tbh.

I think a lot of the sports world would still be devastated. Hell I grew up hating the Spurs but I would shed tears if this happened to Tim Duncan or Pop etc. All BS aside when Danny Ainge had a heart attack during the prime of the Lakers V Celtics rivalry the entire Lakers nation sent their thoughts and prayers (for what it is worth or not) because this is just a game man. Life and death is something else.

Tim Duncan is a legend

[Mugen]

I said make the shot clock 24.8 long. He’ll be remembered forever in every game. Don’t change the logo.

Nah. Retire 24 league-wide. Name an All Star MVP award after him, black patches for the rest of the year, maybe even do his HOF induction on a separate day than Timmy/KG...but changing the logo or a fundamental of the game seems over-reactionary.

As an LA resident, I'd be fine with doing another statue for him & his daughter besides the inevitable one outside of Staples. His impact on LA warrants that but the logo, shot clock...respectfully disagree.

[Jules_Winnfield]

What would the silhouette for Kobe NBA logo look like?


https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/rape-picture-id530337157?k=6&m=530337157&s=612x612&w=0&h=fq0Ogo4l1lW-gfFFNhJjf0xe_rj1Yj76zUDmLw8Gsc8=

[Arcadian]

I said make the shot clock 24.8 long. He’ll be remembered forever in every game. Don’t change the logo.

They don't want to slow the game down, not even by a fraction of a second. Plus, we already have an 8-second clock for halfcourt, so both his numbers are already there.

[Jules_Winnfield]

81 regular season games :fro

[illmatic]

You really think they should change the logo to Kobe? I get that it was a tragic death but that seems overly reactionary.

So if Jordan dies next weekend, what do you think they should do?


I don't think it'd be too far out of left field. I understand where you're coming from that we shouldn't be reactionary but arguably the best player this generation has seen just died unexpectedly in a helicopter crash so I get it. Kobe impacted a lot of young guys currently in the league, he was their Michael Jordan.

[Tyronn Lue]

Look like Kobe death made a significant impact maybe not as much as that helicopter did but still

[Mugen]

I don't think it'd be too far out of left field. I understand where you're coming from that we shouldn't be reactionary but arguably the best player this generation has seen just died unexpectedly in a helicopter crash so I get it. Kobe impacted a lot of young guys currently in the league, he was their Michael Jordan.

It'd be a huge, huge overreaction tbh. And that's not even considering the logistical nightmare putting such an absurd plan into place would be.

[HarlemHeat37]

The league should retire 24, as I said earlier. I fully expect it to happen before the end of the season. I don't know why anybody would object, it's just a number:lol

Changing the logo is completely unnecessary and dumb IMO.

[HarlemHeat37]

1222238196479799298

As expected, it's in motion.

[Jules_Winnfield]

^ attention-whoring contest

[JamStone]

Changing the logo would be absurd. Doesn’t really make sense to do it.

Now if they wanted to add his Mamba logo or #24 and #8 patches on jerseys the rest of the season and/or playoff jerseys the way they add the Larry O’Brien trophy patch, I think that’s fine.

[FkLA]

Yeah, that's true. Honestly, Tim would think a lot of this would be dumb AF if it happened to him tbh.

You know Kobes is loving it though. He lives (no pun intended)for this kind of stuff. If you believe that theres an afterlife or whatever, he's soaking that shit up right now. :lol

[Mugen]

You know Kobes is loving it though. He lives (no pun intended)for this kind of stuff. If you believe that theres an afterlife or whatever, he's soaking that shit up right now. :lol

I mean his daughter died. Even someone as egotistical as Kobe was wouldn't trade his daughter's life for all this hoopla/reverence, at least I would like to think he wouldn't....

Silly thing to argue about though tbh.

[Spurtacular]

The league should retire 24, as I said earlier. I fully expect it to happen before the end of the season. I don't know why anybody would object, it's just a number:lol

Changing the logo is completely unnecessary and dumb IMO.

They gonna retire 33 and 32 too? Retiring jersey #s for all teams is dumb in all cases, tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

They gonna retire 33 and 32 too? Retiring jersey #s for all teams is dumb in all cases, tbh.

If this had happened 20 years from now, nobody would be asking for it. But he was only 41 years old and had just retired a few years ago, he's the most influential player in history for the current crop of players.

It isn't comparable to anything else, nobody else of this magnitude has ever died so young in the NBA. There are 41-year olds still playing in the NBA right now.

[Mugen]

Yeah, I don't really care about retiring 24.

If it's going to keep mental midgets like Kyrie, CP3, etc. from killing themselves, go for it tbh :lol

[Spurtacular]

If this had happened 20 years from now, nobody would be asking for it. But he was only 41 years old and had just retired a few years ago, he's the most influential player in history for the current crop of players.

It isn't comparable to anything else, nobody else of this magnitude has ever died so young in the NBA. There are 41-year olds still playing in the NBA right now.

The NBA would have been fine without Kobe. Don't listen to the slurpers, dude.

[baseline bum]

I don't think I'd retire Kobe's number league wide. His prime wasn't that long ago so there are still going to be rookies coming into the league for a few years who really looked up to him and modeled their games after his, and will thus want to wear his number as a tribute. I think that would be a better remembrance of his legacy than the league retiring the number. Also I think retiring the number should be left as a tribute from the Lakers. No matter how much he has meant to the league and to its fans, it'll never be at the level of what he meant to the Lakers, their fans, and to Los Angeles and the entire Southland. I think only the Lakers have the right to put his jersey in the rafters.

[daslicer]

Don't believe the league should retire his jersey. I thought it was lame when the Heat retired Jordan's # many years ago. If they want to honor him they can have guys wear patches of his jersey numbers for the whole entire season and they could change the all-star MVP trophy name to the Kobe MVP trophy. I think that would be more fitting since Kobe has won the most all-star game MVP awards in the history of the NBA.

[313]

I don't think I'd retire Kobe's number league wide. His prime wasn't that long ago so there are still going to be rookies coming into the league for a few years who really looked up to him and modeled their games after his, and will thus want to wear his number as a tribute. I think that would be a better remembrance of his legacy than the league retiring the number. Also I think retiring the number should be left as a tribute from the Lakers. No matter how much he has meant to the league and to its fans, it'll never be at the level of what he meant to the Lakers, their fans, and to Los Angeles and the entire Southland. I think only the Lakers have the right to put his jersey in the rafters.
Agreed

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol he still not be top10 goat..fkn clowns is in the 15-20 range where he belongs...

[UZER]

lol he still not be top10 goat..fkn clowns is in the 15-20 range where he belongs...

Bruh, he is leap frogging everyone after this. He’s #2 now, not because he’s really #2, but because he was the “closest” to MJ we’ve ever seen. Everyone will make the leap now. Plus, you won’t be able to argue because it’ll come across as disrespect to the deceased.

[Spurtacular]

Bruh, he is leap frogging everyone after this. He’s #2 now, not because he’s really #2, but because he was the “closest” to MJ we’ve ever seen. Everyone will make the leap now. Plus, you won’t be able to argue because it’ll come across as disrespect to the deceased.

A lot of truth to this.

The truth is it's debatable whether Kobe was even better than Vince Carter, T-Mac, Paul Pierce, etc. He is probably the most over-rated player in NBA history.

[Spurtacular]

Don't believe the league should retire his jersey. I thought it was lame when the Heat retired Jordan's # many years ago. If they want to honor him they can have guys wear patches of his jersey numbers for the whole entire season and they could change the all-star MVP trophy name to the Kobe MVP trophy. I think that would be more fitting since Kobe has won the most all-star game MVP awards in the history of the NBA.

They probably will. NBA doesn't often miss on these marketing opportunities.

[Kawhitstorm]

The world lost another narcissistic/egotistical sexual predator :cry

[Brazil]

The world lost another narcissistic/egotistical sexual predator :cry

:cry

[Kawhitstorm]

The Lakers were the ones who requested to postpone the game, though. It's just tough to ask that team to get prepared for a basketball game after spending the day with grief counselors. More than anyone else, the Lakers need time to mourn.

Today’s NBA:sleep

[Kawhitstorm]

yeah I can't believe so many guys here hated on Kobe for years. Outside of Jordan, who's been better on both ends of the floor at that position? I know he gets a lot of flack for the legacy defensive awards he got later in his career, but he was an elite defender in the early 2000's. He shits all over Harden tbh. Shit, just in this game alone he throws it down on Duncan/Robinson four times.

He was being guarded by scrub ass Antonio Daniels:dramaquee

[daslicer]

He was being guarded by scrub ass Antonio Daniels:dramaquee

And Terry Porter, along with a washed up Sean Elliot. Both Porter and Elliott retired after that series. They were too old by then.

[Kawhitstorm]

And Terry Porter, along with a washed up Sean Elliot. Both Porter and Elliott retired after that series. They were too old by then.

Not to mention it was 1-on-1 b/c you couldn’t help off Shaq & the role players Fox/Fisher/Horry were knock down shooters. Kawhi destroyed Butler/Simmons (w/ Embiid protecting the rim) while they supporting cast couldn’t hit the broadside off the barn.

[Kawhitstorm]

who the fuck ever dropped 40+ on Bruce?)

Bonzi Wells ate his lunch besides it’s not like Bruce had to guard Wade/Durant/McGrady/Iverson in the playoffs. He didn’t exactly lock up Ray Allen/Nash/JET/Josh Howard/Chris Paul/Billups & Carmelo/LeBron were babies who were deterred by Timmay.

BTW, Kirby is a career 41% chucker in the Finals against Reggie/AI/Kittles/Rip/Ray/Pierce b/c he had to expend energy on defense instead of resting on Bruce “Dirty” Bowen :donkey (It isn’t a surprise his best Finals series was against the Magic when he was resting on Pietrius)

[Darth_Pelican]

GnyyuOKoz0k

[Fat Brandon Bass]

hopefully the Lakers don't play in Utah again this season tbh. If they can heckle and make fun of Fisher's daughter, I expect the White Jazz fans won't be above this either imo

[Will Hunting]

hopefully the Lakers don't play in Utah again this season tbh. If they can heckle and make fun of Fisher's daughter, I expect the White Jazz fans won't be above this either imo
Not trying to defend making fun of Fisher’s daughter (albeit I’ve done so myself :lol), but I think the Utah fans only stooped to that level because Fisher used his daughter’s eye disease as an excuse to get out of his Utah contract and be closer to the doctor he wanted to take her to in NY and they took his word for it only for him to sign with LA.

He’s just as if not a bigger POS for using his daughter’s illness as a tool to get out of a contract.

[JoeTait75]

Yeah, that's true. Honestly, Tim would think a lot of this would be dumb AF if it happened to him tbh.

LeBron would be eating it up with a spoon.

[JoeTait75]

Also I think retiring the number should be left as a tribute from the Lakers. No matter how much he has meant to the league and to its fans, it'll never be at the level of what he meant to the Lakers, their fans, and to Los Angeles and the entire Southland. I think only the Lakers have the right to put his jersey in the rafters.

I have no desire to see Kobe's name and number in the rafters at the Q. No disrespect to Kobe, but it doesn't belong there.

[Killakobe81]

A lot of truth to this.

The truth is it's debatable whether Kobe was even better than Vince Carter, T-Mac, Paul Pierce, etc. He is probably the most over-rated player in NBA history.

LOL it's this type of bullshit that makes him properly rated, genius.

[MultiTroll]

GnyyuOKoz0k
I believe her explanation.
And even if she did use nigs, STFU and get over it.

If Jemelle Hill used Cracker not a thing would happen.
Sub zero retard Steven A Smith did some slurr a few years ago and gave a laughable lie as the reason. *I'm from New York and I talk fast sometimes.*

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1222363214702313473?s=19

[Benoit]

If this had happened 20 years from now, nobody would be asking for it. But he was only 41 years old and had just retired a few years ago, he's the most influential player in history for the current crop of players.

It isn't comparable to anything else, nobody else of this magnitude has ever died so young in the NBA. There are 41-year olds still playing in the NBA right now.

Do we fade Lakers? Books are offering as low as -225 on them NOT to win the title rn.

[Spurtacular]

LOL it's this type of bullshit that makes him properly rated, genius.

Pierce had a lot of better numbers than Kobe w/o the benefit of playing with Shaq. He was a better midrange / three shooter also. He was a better defender, rebounder, passer.

[MultiTroll]

Do we fade Lakers? Books are offering as low as -225 on them NOT to win the title rn.
Please. LakerRef will be so obvious now. I think you can switch from you Warriors panties to your Lakers panties safely.

I still think Clippers MVP and company can take them out.

[Thread]

Tonight Anderson Cooper did an extensive interview with the husband of the Mauser woman who died in the crash.

I don't like Cooper, but, by God he was excellent during this segment with this fellow. So selfless.

[Thread]

Not trying to defend making fun of Fisher’s daughter (albeit I’ve done so myself :lol), but I think the Utah fans only stooped to that level because Fisher used his daughter’s eye disease as an excuse to get out of his Utah contract and be closer to the doctor he wanted to take her to in NY and they took his word for it only for him to sign with LA.

He’s just as if not a bigger POS for using his daughter’s illness as a tool to get out of a contract.

& if he didn't go we'd a never beat Boston at the last. Remember, Will, he straightened Kobe out, Dutch Uncle treatment. Without that we're light 1.

[Spurtacular]

This was epic, by Kobe standards anyhow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx2inwUj_F0

[Spurtacular]

:lmao Even the Jazz were cheating to make sure Kobe hit 60.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/gordon-hayward-i-didnt-step-into-lane-to-help-kobe-bryant-score-60/ar-BBZpxnA?ocid=spartanntp

[HarlemHeat37]

Do we fade Lakers? Books are offering as low as -225 on them NOT to win the title rn.

Bucks and Clippers handle them easily. Probably Philly, too.

[Benoit]

Bucks and Clippers handle them easily. Probably Philly, too.
They'll beat Houston 4-1 though

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXa82lIFgK0

[J_Paco]

If this had happened 20 years from now, nobody would be asking for it. But he was only 41 years old and had just retired a few years ago, he's the most influential player in history for the current crop of players.

It isn't comparable to anything else, nobody else of this magnitude has ever died so young in the NBA. There are 41-year olds still playing in the NBA right now.

You sound stupid, man.

He played an entire career and died AFTER doing a family/friend event. Retiring his number(s) automatically place him on a plateau with Jackie Robinson which he clearly doesn't deserve (still was a great player).

Also, Roberto Clemente died in a similar fashion while doing it for humanitarian purposes. The MLB didn't do some over reactionary B.S., P.R. stunt like retiring his number league wide.

And Clemente was revered in Latin America, a (future) HOF'er & an all-time great player too.

Also, will this type of overreaction be the new normal? No thanks, even if this was Duncan I would hate to see his number retired league wide. Denying future generations the opportunity (like LeBron with #23 in Cleveland and Los Angeles) to honor Timmy by rocking the number other than in San Antonio.

[FrostKing]

League wide jersey retirement especially two separate numbers (:lol) is a no from me

[140]

Not trying to defend making fun of Fisher’s daughter (albeit I’ve done so myself :lol), but I think the Utah fans only stooped to that level because Fisher used his daughter’s eye disease as an excuse to get out of his Utah contract and be closer to the doctor he wanted to take her to in NY and they took his word for it only for him to sign with LA.

He’s just as if not a bigger POS for using his daughter’s illness as a tool to get out of a contract.

He later on did a similar thing to the Mavs, said he needed to "spend more time with his family" and proceeded to sign with the Thunder :lol Fisher is probably the biggest piece of shit I've witnessed in the NBA tbh, we gave/give Kobe a lot of shit but he had nothing on that snidey bastard imho. lol at banging matt barnes' gf. just an overall trash human being

[Will Hunting]

& if he didn't go we'd a never beat Boston at the last. Remember, Will, he straightened Kobe out, Dutch Uncle treatment. Without that we're light 1.
No disagreement there.

I said it in the other thread where I replied to you but in case you didn’t see it, my condolences tbh. I’m not sure why it’s such a shock for me, but this whole thing seems very surreal. Even though he’d been retired it seems like just yesterday when he looked unstoppable.

[Thanos]

He later on did a similar thing to the Mavs, said he needed to "spend more time with his family" and proceeded to sign with the Thunder :lol Fisher is probably the biggest piece of shit I've witnessed in the NBA tbh, we gave/give Kobe a lot of shit but he had nothing on that snidey bastard imho. lol at banging matt barnes' gf. just an overall trash human being
He’s the one guy I’d love to see die so I can piss all over his grave.

[Texas_Ranger]

League wide jersey retirement especially two separate numbers (:lol) is a no from me

Quinn Cook is even better and is changing his number from No. 2 to No. 28 to honor Gianna Bryant.

this is getting ridiculous. it's just which player will outdo the other.

[Dirks_Finale]

He later on did a similar thing to the Mavs, said he needed to "spend more time with his family" and proceeded to sign with the Thunder :lol Fisher is probably the biggest piece of shit I've witnessed in the NBA

This

He is a loathsome human being, imo.

[Thread]

No disagreement there.

I said it in the other thread where I replied to you but in case you didn’t see it, my condolences tbh. I’m not sure why it’s such a shock for me, but this whole thing seems very surreal. Even though he’d been retired it seems like just yesterday when he looked unstoppable.

Thanks, Will. Yes, a great tragedy & waste. The inclusion of the other victims in detail by Media gravels the situation much further.

Seeing Shaq & West break down like this is just painful.

[Thread]

This

He is a loathsome human being, imo.

Yes, it wasn't right.

[Chucho]

Quinn Cook is even better and is changing his number from No. 2 to No. 28 to honor Gianna Bryant.

this is getting ridiculous. it's just which player will outdo the other.

Disingenuous people being disingenious.

[Mugen]

LeBron would be eating it up with a spoon.

No doubt.

[Laker_1995]

Quinn Cook is even better and is changing his number from No. 2 to No. 28 to honor Gianna Bryant.

this is getting ridiculous. it's just which player will outdo the other.

And why does it bother you? Many basketball players looked at Kobe as their idol. If that’s how they wanna honor him then what’s the issue.

[HarlemHeat37]

You sound stupid, man.

He played an entire career and died AFTER doing a family/friend event. Retiring his number(s) automatically place him on a plateau with Jackie Robinson which he clearly doesn't deserve (still was a great player).

Also, Roberto Clemente died in a similar fashion while doing it for humanitarian purposes. The MLB didn't do some over reactionary B.S., P.R. stunt like retiring his number league wide.

And Clemente was revered in Latin America, a (future) HOF'er & an all-time great player too.

Also, will this type of overreaction be the new normal? No thanks, even if this was Duncan I would hate to see his number retired league wide. Denying future generations the opportunity (like LeBron with #23 in Cleveland and Los Angeles) to honor Timmy by rocking the number other than in San Antonio.

Yes, I sound stupid, but the majority of the NBA world agrees with me:lol

[TimDunkem]

Yes, I sound stupid, but the majority of the NBA world agrees with me:lol

No you're right. You're just talking to another guy who still can't get over Kobe hurting him during his playing days. Ironic, because it only serves to prove the point that Kobe had a visceral effect on everyone who knew him - good or bad.

[Thread]

You sound stupid, man.

He played an entire career and died AFTER doing a family/friend event. Retiring his number(s) automatically place him on a plateau with Jackie Robinson which he clearly doesn't deserve (still was a great player).

Also, Roberto Clemente died in a similar fashion while doing it for humanitarian purposes. The MLB didn't do some over reactionary B.S., P.R. stunt like retiring his number league wide.

And Clemente was revered in Latin America, a (future) HOF'er & an all-time great player too.

Also, will this type of overreaction be the new normal? No thanks, even if this was Duncan I would hate to see his number retired league wide. Denying future generations the opportunity (like LeBron with #23 in Cleveland and Los Angeles) to honor Timmy by rocking the number other than in San Antonio.

We've been getting there by-&-by, J.

[Laker_1995]

I find it so damn funny how since it’s Kobe and he was a laker everything that happens is an exaggeration or not needed or over the top or people make jokes. So if fucking TD passed or Dirk ( I don’t wanna jinx any just making a point). It would be fine cause they they didn’t play in LA. I understand Kobe basketball wise is probably a top 15 player . I understand TD was better any fucking basketball fan knows it but Bryant’s legacy is of a top 3 player of all time. Look at D rose. Dude is probably a top 100 player and he has more fans than players like KD who obviously have been better. This man just passed with his daughter and the 7 other victims. Let people grieve and show their respects at least for a fucking week. God damn everything is a damn issue.

[TimDunkem]

I find it so damn funny how since it’s Kobe and he was a laker everything that happens is an exaggeration or not needed or over the top or people make jokes. So if fucking TD passed or Dirk ( I don’t wanna jinx any just making a point). It would be fine cause they they didn’t play in LA. I understand Kobe basketball wise is probably a top 15 player . I understand TD was better any fucking basketball fan knows it but Bryant’s legacy is of a top 3 player of all time. Look at D rose. Dude is probably a top 100 player and he has more fans than players like KD who obviously have been better. This man just passed with his daughter and the 7 other victims. Let people grieve and show their respects at least for a fucking week. God damn everything is a damn issue.

They're just small men who can't let go of small grudges. Even as a lifelong Kobe hater, I can see why and how people are reacting the way they are. It's been repeated ad nauseam why this is such a big deal, so I won't, but it's pretty damn obvious why his death is having the impact it is.

[Benoit]

I find it so damn funny how since it’s Kobe and he was a laker everything that happens is an exaggeration or not needed or over the top or people make jokes. So if fucking TD passed or Dirk ( I don’t wanna jinx any just making a point). It would be fine cause they they didn’t play in LA. I understand Kobe basketball wise is probably a top 15 player . I understand TD was better any fucking basketball fan knows it but Bryant’s legacy is of a top 3 player of all time. Look at D rose. Dude is probably a top 100 player and he has more fans than players like KD who obviously have been better. This man just passed with his daughter and the 7 other victims. Let people grieve and show their respects at least for a fucking week. God damn everything is a damn issue.
Duncan > Kobe but it's not a landslide. Kobe was better and more relevant 2007-13.

[TimDunkem]

Duncan > Kobe but it's not a landslide. Kobe was better and more relevant 2007-13.

True, but if you say "Kobe" in San Antonio, everyone knows who that is.

Say "Duncan" in San Antonio, and half of the fat bastards think you're talking about donuts, tbh.

[illmatic]

Thanks, Will. Yes, a great tragedy & waste. The inclusion of the other victims in detail by Media gravels the situation much further.

Seeing Shaq & West break down like this is just painful.

Broke me up watching Shaq man. Especially when he started talking about their HOF induction and how they'd joke about who had the most rings and how many rings they would have gotten had they stayed together. Fucking sad.

[Dirks_Finale]

:hungry:
True, but if you say "Kobe" in San Antonio, everyone knows who that is.

Say "Duncan" in San Antonio, and half of the fat bastards think you're talking about donuts, tbh.

[Dirks_Finale]

Seeing that behemoth of a man become a gentle giant and break down like that really was something I never imagined seeing. And he is so right, Kobe not being there for his own HOF induction absolutely sucks hard. I mean one of his very last events on this planet is watching Lebron pass him on the all time scoring list - and now all this.


Broke me up watching Shaq man. Especially when he started talking about their HOF induction and how they'd joke about who had the most rings and how many rings they would have gotten had they stayed together. Fucking sad.

[The Gemini Method]

I'm not one to retire two numbers league wide. I mean, if the reverence is for the league to do #24, I wouldn't object. In a more sense of clarity, renaming a trophy would probably be the road I'd personally like to see. I know there was a tweet that the Lakers have something planned like naming the court at Staples Center in honor of him, but I can't get behind the changing of the NBA logo. That seems like something that Kobe would be against and it just seems more of a rash jump in a time when emotions are still bone raw.

[Mugen]

I'm not one to retire two numbers league wide. I mean, if the reverence is for the league to do #24, I wouldn't object. In a more sense of clarity, renaming a trophy would probably be the road I'd personally like to see. I know there was a tweet that the Lakers have something planned like naming the court at Staples Center in honor of him, but I can't get behind the changing of the NBA logo. That seems like something that Kobe would be against and it just seems more of a rash jump in a time when emotions are still bone raw.

Gem, you're a sensible lakerfan on this board. You and I both know 10000% Kobe would be absolutely in favor of changing to logo to him :lol

That's not even a knock against him, but you know his ego would definitely want that done.

[Laker_1995]

Gem, you're a sensible lakerfan on this board. You and I both know 10000% Kobe would be absolutely in favor of changing to logo to him :lol

That's not even a knock against him, but you know his ego would definitely want that done.

ego ego ego ego

any fucking basketball legend would want this honor. Shaq TD Kareem Lebron Hakeem . Anybody would. But since it’s Kobe it’s all about ego.

[Mugen]

ego ego ego ego

any fucking basketball legend would want this honor. Shaq TD Kareem Lebron Hakeem . Anybody would. But since it’s Kobe it’s all about ego.

:lol It's not even a knock...Kareem/TD/Hakeem are all cut from a different cloth than those other guys tbh. Nothing wrong with caring about your perception and carefully, carefully crafting the narrative/image around you like Kobe and LeBron.

People like you will always eat it up, absolutely nothing wrong with it tbh.

[illmatic]

Seeing that behemoth of a man become a gentle giant and break down like that really was something I never imagined seeing. And he is so right, Kobe not being there for his own HOF induction absolutely sucks hard. I mean one of his very last events on this planet is watching Lebron pass him on the all time scoring list - and now all this.

Especially considering they haven't spoke in close to 3 years. He's feeling a lot of regret, I feel for Shaq.

[Arcadian]

Also, Roberto Clemente died in a similar fashion while doing it for humanitarian purposes. The MLB didn't do some over reactionary B.S., P.R. stunt like retiring his number league wide.

Clemente was the first person I thought about when I heard about Kobe. Granted that happened almost 50 years ago, but I'm surprised Clemente hasn't been mentioned more in all this.

Interestingly, they also didn't waive Clemente's Hall of Fame induction process. He got in first ballot (93%), which means somebody voted against a dead hero :lol

[UZER]

Especially considering they haven't spoke in close to 3 years. He's feeling a lot of regret, I feel for Shaq.

Knowing how petty and jealous Shaq is, he was probably very jealous of Kobe’s last game and the way LA became 100% Kobe’s town, and kinda brushed him aside. Shaq went ring chasing, Kobe stayed home. Even last night he kept saying “our names will always be connected.”

And rhe part about “I never want to hear anyone ever question our relationship again” sounded like a lot of guilt lashing out.

[JamStone]

Shaq totally sounded like he was living with a huge amount of regret.

But I do understand his brother analogy. Once you get older, have your own family, and are busy with work and in their cases all the projects they’re involved with, unless you’re like neighbors and still see each other every week, you might grow a bit a part. And brothers sometimes aren’t as close as like lifelong best friends or college buddies. And sometimes even family members hold grudges with each other. But I was also surprised that they hadn’t seen each other since Kobe’s last game, 3 1/2 years ago now.

Their relationship was likely better after they squashed their personal Cold War with each other a few years ago. But I suspect and apparently it didn’t mean they became close again.

[The Gemini Method]

Shaq has had a great deal of tragedy the past few months. It was heartbreaking to see him grieve. It was kind of cathartic when he'd halfheartedly poke fun at Charles. I mean, dude just lost his sister not too long ago and having to deal with the regret and unspoken distance between him and Kobe.

[Thebesteva]

Guys relax the league isnt changing the logo in all likelihood. I also dont feel like intruding into every fan base so they honor Kobe is necessary. I think we should just let the players organically honor him the way they want to. I would hate to force Spur or Kings fans into this.

But what I will say is Kobe mentored a ton of these young up and coming players. If you go on LG Laker fans were upset Kobe was mentoring Kiwi+PG. He mentored Tatum to Kuzma to Kemba Walker. A lot of these guys looked up to him and want him honored and immortalized. There were multiple threads when he was alive asking why he's helping the enemy. Kobe transcended into a mentor for a lot of these guys. Can't help it that so many of them are torn apart. Seeing these guys cry mid game isn't an act...it's very real.

We'll see what happens. Oddly enough I would really like to hear what Duncan has to say even though knowing Timmy he just wants to live his life and be left out of this shit.

Living in SD and Los Angeles I'll tell you the entire So Cal is hurting bad like a city that needs closure. We'll get through it but shit takes time. We loved Kobe and grew up with him.

[Thread]

Guys relax the league isnt changing the logo in all likelihood. I also dont feel like intruding into every fan base so they honor Kobe is necessary. I think we should just let the players organically honor him the way they want to. I would hate to force Spur or Kings fans into this.

But what I will say is Kobe mentored a ton of these young up and coming players. If you go on LG Laker fans were upset Kobe was mentoring Kiwi+PG. He mentored Tatum to Kuzma to Kemba Walker. A lot of these guys looked up to him and want him honored and immortalized.

We'll see what happens. Oddly enough I would really like to hear what Duncan has to say even though knowing Timmy he just wants to live his life and be left out of this shit.

Living in SD and Los Angeles I'll tell you the entire So Cal is hurting bad like a city that needs closure. We'll get through it but shit takes time. We loved Kobe.

But we didn't know that until after he died, eva. That was kept from us so Media could bleed out the bad guy for all it was worth.

[Thebesteva]

But we didn't know that until after he died, eva. That was kept from us so Media could bleed out the bad guy for all it was worth.

I didn't realize how many he mentored either until recently. I do recall LG quite upset that Kiwi and PG were part of Kobe's camp because we're competing against him. I'm telling you the second half of Kobe's life was something else...very tragic.

My dad and uncle never cry....it's hard to keep a dry eye in the house lately when we see an image and I'm not ashamed at all to admit it. Had his daughter not been in there I truly believe the healing process would have been significantly easier. This just takes the heart out of a lot of us...the city loved Gigi and what Kobe was doing for women's sports.

I see dying people at work every day and sadly it takes a toll on you in ways you wouldn't believe....its very challenging to break the news of cancer or death as an every day part of life but you get used to it. Even after all that shit I am getting used to this made me crack. I had to keep it in all day and when I got home I cried like a bitch. It's very difficult right now for a lot of us. My nurses didnt believe me when I told them Kobe died.

[whitemamba]

But we didn't know that until after he died, eva. That was kept from us so Media could bleed out the bad guy for all it was worth.

finally...

[TDfan2007]

Duncan > Kobe but it's not a landslide. Kobe was better and more relevant 2007-13.

2008-12* tbh (both had amazing, throwback years in 2012-2013), but yes, agreed. And obviously Kobe's impact on the game and his popularity was/is in a completely different level from almost every other player in history other than maybe Jordan.

[TDfan2007]

I'm not one to retire two numbers league wide. I mean, if the reverence is for the league to do #24, I wouldn't object. In a more sense of clarity, renaming a trophy would probably be the road I'd personally like to see. I know there was a tweet that the Lakers have something planned like naming the court at Staples Center in honor of him, but I can't get behind the changing of the NBA logo. That seems like something that Kobe would be against and it just seems more of a rash jump in a time when emotions are still bone raw.

Totally agree. Maybe naming the scoring title after him? For sure a statue at Staples

[Spurtacular]

I find it so damn funny how since it’s Kobe and he was a laker everything that happens is an exaggeration or not needed or over the top or people make jokes. So if fucking TD passed or Dirk ( I don’t wanna jinx any just making a point). It would be fine cause they they didn’t play in LA. I understand Kobe basketball wise is probably a top 15 player . I understand TD was better any fucking basketball fan knows it but Bryant’s legacy is of a top 3 player of all time. Look at D rose. Dude is probably a top 100 player and he has more fans than players like KD who obviously have been better. This man just passed with his daughter and the 7 other victims. Let people grieve and show their respects at least for a fucking week. God damn everything is a damn issue.

The people who are really grieving ain't reading SpursTalk, bruh. Ge a hold of yourself.

[Spurtacular]

Shaq had not talked to Kobe since his 60 night?

So that mending of their relationship was just BS?

[The Gemini Method]

Shaq had not talked to Kobe since his 60 night?

So that mending of their relationship was just BS? I'm not sure that he hadn't misspoken. He was there for Kobe's jersey retirement ceremony. I think perhaps he meant he hadn't spoken to him in person since 2016ish? I know he was wrought with emotion, so I don't know specifically if he was speaking coherently. I know from local reports Kobe did have a steady dialogue with Shareef and Shaq's other kids. The closeness they shared I guess is shrouded in a level of mystery.

[spurraider21]

What would the silhouette for Kobe NBA logo look like?
https://dlp2gfjvaz867.cloudfront.net/product_photos/344981/bricks-auction_original.jpg

[illmatic]

But we didn't know that until after he died, eva. That was kept from us so Media could bleed out the bad guy for all it was worth.


I don't think it was Cub, it was talked about how he was working with players in the off-season.

[DMC]

I wouldn't do anything like any of the stuff people are suggesting. The Lakers can do whatever they want. Mostly marketing anyhow. I don't think the league should do anything about it though. The guy was like what 12 - 14th overall? I mean no disrespect to Kobe or his family but why would you take the guy who's ranked 12 - 14th overall and retire his number everywhere across the league because he died? It's an incredibly tragic death but there are ways to honor him that don't include permanent changes to the entire organization and certainly not the entire league. They spent his last year basically sucking his dick anywhere he went. Shouldn't that be enough? Mourn the man and move on. Is the league so shitty today that this is all they have going for them to sell fucking tickets?

[JoeTait75]

But we didn't know that until after he died, eva. That was kept from us so Media could bleed out the bad guy for all it was worth.

I don't think that's true. It was known that a lot of the young guys looked up to Kobe and looked to him for guidance. Kyrie talked about Kobe's influence a lot, for one. After he hit the shot that brought the title to Cleveland he talked about having that "Mamba mentality" and about how he'd gotten encouragement and advice from Kobe along the way. Kobe was a player's player. Other than maybe Allen Iverson I can't think of a player who was more respected by his peers than Kobe, and it was no secret.

[DMC]

I don't think that's true. It was known that a lot of the young guys looked up to Kobe and looked to him for guidance. Kyrie talked about Kobe's influence a lot, for one. After he hit the shot that brought the title to Cleveland he talked about having that "Mamba mentality" and about how he'd gotten encouragement and advice from Kobe along the way. Kobe was a player's player. Other than maybe Allen Iverson I can't think of a player who was more respected by his peers than Kobe, and it was no secret.
I guess that's why Dwyane Wade broke his nose during the All-Star Game when Kobe was going for the All Star MVP. They might have openly professed to respect him however none of them wanted to play alongside him.

[daslicer]

Shaq had not talked to Kobe since his 60 night?

So that mending of their relationship was just BS?

I think they got over their beef but they were never friends or buddies like Shaq kept on alluding. I never bought that they were close.

[Thread]

I didn't realize how many he mentored either until recently. I do recall LG quite upset that Kiwi and PG were part of Kobe's camp because we're competing against him. I'm telling you the second half of Kobe's life was something else...very tragic.

My dad and uncle never cry....it's hard to keep a dry eye in the house lately when we see an image and I'm not ashamed at all to admit it. Had his daughter not been in there I truly believe the healing process would have been significantly easier. This just takes the heart out of a lot of us...the city loved Gigi and what Kobe was doing for women's sports.

I see dying people at work every day and sadly it takes a toll on you in ways you wouldn't believe....its very challenging to break the news of cancer or death as an every day part of life but you get used to it. Even after all that shit I am getting used to this made me crack. I had to keep it in all day and when I got home I cried like a bitch. It's very difficult right now for a lot of us. My nurses didnt believe me when I told them Kobe died.

Good stuff, eva, especially the last paragraph. Bully for you.

[Spurtacular]

I think they got over their beef but they were never friends or buddies like Shaq kept on alluding. I never bought that they were close.

That's a strong possibility.

I think they publicly mended fences for marketing purposes and stuff was still simmering.

[JoeTait75]

I guess that's why Dwyane Wade broke his nose during the All-Star Game when Kobe was going for the All Star MVP. They might have openly professed to respect him however none of them wanted to play alongside him.

Maybe, but you don't necessarily have to like a person to respect him.

[daslicer]

Knowing how petty and jealous Shaq is, he was probably very jealous of Kobe’s last game and the way LA became 100% Kobe’s town, and kinda brushed him aside. Shaq went ring chasing, Kobe stayed home. Even last night he kept saying “our names will always be connected.”

And rhe part about “I never want to hear anyone ever question our relationship again” sounded like a lot of guilt lashing out.

Shaq has always been a child at heart. Part of the reason why he hated David Robinson and Duncan was how both were loved in San Antonio more than he was. Shaq felt since he was from San Antonio that the city should worship him over those guys. Pretty stupid thinking but that's how Shaq's mind works.

[daslicer]

https://dlp2gfjvaz867.cloudfront.net/product_photos/344981/bricks-auction_original.jpg

:lol have to admit that was pretty funny.

[Benoit]

These Kobe tributes are gonna get old really fast

[JamStone]

Really old...

At least they stopped with the 24 second and 8 second violations, at least I believe they stopped. Those probably should have stopped after Monday’s games. Not every fucking team needed to keep doing it. The video tributes and other production type gestures appear to be for teams at their first home game after Sunday. I would assume they’ll stop after all the teams have had a chance to have a home game to share their tributes with their home fans. But I agree that they’re already getting old... and repetitive and unnecessary.

Goodell already said the NFL will do “something” at the Super Bowl. And we all know damn well that All Star weekend is going to be all Kobe all the time the entire weekend, which I have less of a problem with since the game doesn’t matter and you have a large collection of the players all together in the same city and same event to share memories and stories, hugs and cries and laughter with each other. It feels like that’s the more appropriate time and place for all the tribute stuff.

But after ASB, it should all be done. I hope it is done after that. It should get back to just basketball.

[baseline bum]

Really old...

At least they stopped with the 24 second and 8 second violations, at least I believe they stopped. Those probably should have stopped after Monday’s games. Not every fucking team needed to keep doing it. The video tributes and other production type gestures appear to be for teams at their first home game after Sunday. I would assume they’ll stop after all the teams have had a chance to have a home game to share their tributes with their home fans. But I agree that they’re already getting old... and repetitive and unnecessary.

Goodell already said the NFL will do “something” at the Super Bowl. And we all know damn well that All Star weekend is going to be all Kobe all the time the entire weekend, which I have less of a problem with since the game doesn’t matter and you have a large collection of the players all together in the same city and same event to share memories and stories, hugs and cries and laughter with each other. It feels like that’s the more appropriate time and place for all the tribute stuff.

But after ASB, it should all be done. I hope it is done after that. It should get back to just basketball.

There's no way it can be done after the allstar break. Everything the Lakers do this year is going to be in Kobe's shadow, and they're a top 3 team that will likely be going pretty deep into the postseason. It's going to take until after the season for things to become normal again I think. Half the league grew up idolizing the guy and the other half battled him for years, so this sadness around the league probably isn't going away until everyone can get away from basketball for a while this summer.

[basquetbol]

I am not sure if this is true or not so maybe someone here can answer, is it true that the helicopter was only stocked with Sprite because they couldn't get 7up?

[Spurtacular]

I am not sure if this is true or not so maybe someone here can answer, is it true that the helicopter was only stocked with Sprite because they couldn't get 7up?

Maybe that's why they couldn't get 9down.

[JamStone]

There's no way it can be done after the allstar break. Everything the Lakers do this year is going to be in Kobe's shadow, and they're a top 3 team that will likely be going pretty deep into the postseason. It's going to take until after the season for things to become normal again I think. Half the league grew up idolizing the guy and the other half battled him for years, so this sadness around the league probably isn't going away until everyone can get away from basketball for a while this summer.

Sure it can. I’m not talking about putting a patch on players jerseys. I’m not talking about people mentioning him in post game interviews or continuing to have messages on their shoes written in sharpie. I’m talking about big video productions in pregame or halftime or anything during the games. The 24 second tributes. Sideline reporters only asking Kobe questions. That stuff should stop after All Star break. People still feeling some type of way or having Kobe in the background of everyone’s thoughts the rest of the season will of course continue. But they need to allow the game and the players get back to normal.

Something like a Mamba logo patch on all player jerseys for the rest of the season would make sense, a remembrance and tribute that doesn’t disrupt the games or take away from just playing basketball. Or you know what, have Nike create a Kobe “Mamba Forever” warm-up shirt with all the names of the people who died on the back of the shirt, have them in different team colors of all NBA teams, and then the players can wear them the rest of the season if they want. Something like that.

It’s there but it’s not so in the forefront that it continues to be about the tragedy and not about the games. The grief or thinking about it don’t have to go away. But the disruption to or distraction from the games should.

[Mugen]

LeMao is going to milk this bad boy dry tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

Sure it can. I’m not talking about putting a patch on players jerseys. I’m not talking about people mentioning him in post game interviews or continuing to have messages on their shoes written in sharpie. I’m talking about big video productions in pregame or halftime or anything during the games. The 24 second tributes. Sideline reporters only asking Kobe questions. That stuff should stop after All Star break. People still feeling some type of way or having Kobe in the background of everyone’s thoughts the rest of the season will of course continue. But they need to allow the game and the players get back to normal.

Something like a Mamba logo patch on all player jerseys for the rest of the season would make sense, a remembrance and tribute that doesn’t disrupt the games or take away from just playing basketball. Or you know what, have Nike create a Kobe “Mamba Forever” warm-up shirt with all the names of the people who died on the back of the shirt, have them in different team colors of all NBA teams, and then the players can wear them the rest of the season if they want. Something like that.

It’s there but it’s not so in the forefront that it continues to be about the tragedy and not about the games. The grief or thinking about it don’t have to go away. But the disruption to or distraction from the games should.

I agree on that. And also that the All Star Game can be largely dedicated to him. Maybe we'll actually see a decent game for once.

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't think that's true. It was known that a lot of the young guys looked up to Kobe and looked to him for guidance. Kyrie talked about Kobe's influence a lot, for one. After he hit the shot that brought the title to Cleveland he talked about having that "Mamba mentality" and about how he'd gotten encouragement and advice from Kobe along the way. Kobe was a player's player. Other than maybe Allen Iverson I can't think of a player who was more respected by his peers than Kobe, and it was no secret.

Carmelo & Kyrie are well revered by their peers (not necessarily teammates) despite their inflated egos. At the end of the day players seem to gravitate towards peers who have giant egos to go along w/ their talent. Meanwhile you have betas like Curry/Snake who get disrespected by their peers no matter their accomplishments, they are viewed as "teacher's pets".

[Legacy]

True, but if you say "Kobe" in San Antonio, everyone knows who that is.

Say "Duncan" in San Antonio, and half of the fat bastards think you're talking about donuts, tbh.

This is the most moronic post I've ever seen in ST history. And that's saying a LOT.

[Legacy]

https://dlp2gfjvaz867.cloudfront.net/product_photos/344981/bricks-auction_original.jpg

:lmao Couldn't help mehself.

[Thebesteva]

Good stuff, eva, especially the last paragraph. Bully for you.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2014/01/dr-evil-crying1.gif

[Thread]

There's no way it can be done after the allstar break. Everything the Lakers do this year is going to be in Kobe's shadow, and they're a top 3 team that will likely be going pretty deep into the postseason. It's going to take until after the season for things to become normal again I think. Half the league grew up idolizing the guy and the other half battled him for years, so this sadness around the league probably isn't going away until everyone can get away from basketball for a while this summer.

The old bumster with the goods.

[baseline bum]

The old bumster with the goods.

I still got it!

[Clipper Nation]

ego ego ego ego

any fucking basketball legend would want this honor. Shaq TD Kareem Lebron Hakeem . Anybody would. But since it’s Kobe it’s all about ego.
Duncan wouldn't want that. Kareem probably wouldn't either.

[The Gemini Method]

I thought Jamie's anecdote was succinctly poetic. I'm guessing the tributes will wind down after tomorrow as it will be the first time the Lakers take the court post Kobe's death. It will be interesting to see what the team does to stand out from the tributes shown around the league. I hope that if any Laker fan has the opportunity to make it out to Staples does, or even anyone who loves basketball. While there are those merely there in a FOMO capacity, there are those who will share in pretty good forms of recollection.

[Mugen]

Maybe just have LeBron in the fetal position at center court and cry for the entire 1st half?

[Kawhitstorm]

Maybe just have LeBron in the fetal position at center court and cry for the entire 1st half?

You best bet LeBrat’s goal is to become the greatest mourner of all-time #striveforgreatness

[The Gemini Method]

Maybe just have LeBron in the fetal position at center court and cry for the entire 1st half? That's a possibility. Probably Melo will join him since he has been ultra sad as well.

[TimDunkem]

This is the most moronic post I've ever seen in ST history. And that's saying a LOT.

Nah. It's true whether you, I, or anyone else likes it or not.

[Kawhitstorm]

Nah. It's true whether you, I, or anyone else likes it or not.
Legacy is a lard lover, it hit home hard like the chopper

[DMC]

Maybe just have LeBron in the fetal position at center court and cry for the entire 1st half?

BkzE23pyME4

Something like this with Lebron, Carmelo, CP3 and Paul George (with Kawhi being the dog, laying down of course)

[Spurtacular]

ego ego ego ego

any fucking basketball legend would want this honor. Shaq TD Kareem Lebron Hakeem . Anybody would. But since it’s Kobe it’s all about ego.

It's worse in Kobe's case because Jerry West is supposed to be a father figure.

[Spurtacular]

No talk of Kobe on first halftime show of TNT broadcast following Kobe's death?

Guess they're moving on already.

[Legacy]

Nah. It's true whether you, I, or anyone else likes it or not.

Yeah, just like the skies are red, I suppose.

[Legacy]

Anyways, I've put enough time and energy into this thread. Kobe was living the life and always had his family, friends, and his fans to support him in whatever trials and tribulations he had to endure in his 41 years. He started reaping in his blessings and success as soon as he came into the world and it never stopped. When a human being dies, a newborn baby is also born to take its place... and the circle of life continues, yada, yada, yada.

GibiNy4d4gc

[J_Paco]

We've been getting there by-&-by, J.

Good, get by with his two retired numbers and legacy as an all-time great.


No you're right. You're just talking to another guy who still can't get over Kobe hurting him during his playing days. Ironic, because it only serves to prove the point that Kobe had a visceral effect on everyone who knew him - good or bad.

I have a strong dislike of Bryant the person and athlete, but can't question his greatness on the court. Unfortunately, that greatness came with a lot of sociopathic behavior and poor treatment of other people (on and off the court). Including his own immediate family.


Yes, I sound stupid, but the majority of the NBA world agrees with me:lol

Just because the majority - of which are mostly modern players that choice to forget his selfish antics, terrible treatment of teammates and his rape accusations - agree doesn't make it the wise decision. Especially, when people are still grieving and (again) choosing to ignore Kobe's questionable character.

Lastly, you completely ignored the fact that in no league wide manor was Clemente honored, who died in similar circumstances. And doing a league wide retirement of his number(s) or making him the new "logo" would essentially mean he is in the same breath as a man like Jackie Robinson. Sorry, he just isn't in the same breath as far as social impact, importance or legacy.

Maybe he is in the mind of brain dead millenials, zoomers or moronic Canadians that don't understand real long lasting (societal) impact.


But, but, but, that was the past and Kobe is a "global icon," uh duh.....

[lefty]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Silver had Kobe killed because the latter’s off court success was overshadowing the NBA

[Spurtacular]

ESPN was having a gay ole time talking about cute Kobe elbowing stories. They didn't bother to mention these:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbWgWZjo1nI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ybUPRQfQM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWY7J05MK_Q

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUxsK_2imYI

I remember watching all those games in 240P too.

[DMC]

Most of those are good hard fouls, some of those are flops by the opponents.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ymcG-YKOCM

[GAustex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ymcG-YKOCM
Flying around in the fog not checked out for the conditions it appears.
Such a shame that simply lack of caution seems to be the culprit.

[Spurtacular]

Flying around in the fog not checked out for the conditions it appears.
Such a shame that simply lack of caution seems to be the culprit.

Nor did the helicopter have the sensors that detects nearby land. Kobe skimping on safety?

[basquetbol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUxsK_2imYI

I remember watching all those games in 240P too.

Where was all that fight in Kobe when he was busy getting punched by Chris Childs? Shaq seemed a tad slow stepping in to protect his "little brother".


https://youtu.be/q4SVYUYNgKw?t=3

[Spurtacular]

Where was all that fight in Kobe when he was busy getting punched by Chris Childs? Shaq seemed a tad slow stepping in to protect his "little brother".


https://youtu.be/q4SVYUYNgKw?t=3

Shaq was shooting when the fight broke out. He did seem more interested in having beef with Ewing than worrying about Kobe though.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSHpbGhy3Ko

[Jeremy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sONo896qxMY

[Tyronn Lue]

spurfan know they dont want to hear kobe run his mouth at the hof speech anyhow lol

[Tyronn Lue]

Kobe neither piloted nor owned the plane.
since when did that matter when filing a suit

[Tyronn Lue]

Two little girls (excluding GiGi), not 1

sue the pilot's estate, and if they can't get money out of that sue the CA government.
i mean the white girl who still living. why yall think everything about kobe cant there be any other peopple?

[DMC]

since when did that matter when filing a suit

You can't sue someone who isn't liable. I don't think any lawyer would take that one on given the amount of legal representation the Bryant estate could afford.

[Spurtacular]

Kobe's mom still selling his shit?

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0NxPqrVl/kobe-bryants-heartbroken-mom-too-upset-to-talk-after-sons-tragic-death

[The Gemini Method]

Nor did the helicopter have the sensors that detects nearby land. Kobe skimping on safety? I don't know if Kobe would be astute in the ways of what HTAWs, IFR vs. VFR ratings or at the very least his understanding would be minimal. If the pilot was merely 'ii' rated and not given the extra training because the company that leases the helicopter out, it seems like the negligence is systemic rather than incidental. We'll probably never know the extent and fully discernible cause of the accident. That video states that the ambulatory helicopters recently were mandated to have the sensory aid to help their pilots. I'm guessing this will be mandatory at least here in California on the majority of helicopters if that's the case.

[Spurtacular]

I don't know if Kobe would be astute in the ways of what HTAWs, IFR vs. VFR ratings or at the very least his understanding would be minimal. If the pilot was merely 'ii' rated and not given the extra training because the company that leases the helicopter out, it seems like the negligence is systemic rather than incidental. We'll probably never know the extent and fully discernible cause of the accident. That video states that the ambulatory helicopters recently were mandated to have the sensory aid to help their pilots. I'm guessing this will be mandatory at least here in California on the majority of helicopters if that's the case.

He was leasing? I figured he owned the helicopter. I'll bet those helicopter rides cost a lot of money per ride. He should've just taken the extra time and did a limo, imo.

[DMC]

He was leasing? I figured he owned the helicopter. I'll bet those helicopter rides cost a lot of money per ride. He should've just taken the extra time and did a limo, imo.

He'd been riding the chopper for almost 20 years. You can die in a car accident as well. He just hit a bad roll of the dice. Celebs, CEOs and athletes ride choppers all the time.

[The Gemini Method]

He was leasing? I figured he owned the helicopter. I'll bet those helicopter rides cost a lot of money per ride. He should've just taken the extra time and did a limo, imo. I believe the cost of that copter to own is like 13-15 million? I'm not sure Kobe was willing to put that cost to own. It's been stated it was leased. I wonder, though, because Kawhi uses the same pilot. Does that mean he rode in the same copter? I don't know if it is, but as someone who has been in a helicopter 3 times in my life, I never really trusted them then, I sure don't now...

[DMC]

I believe the cost of that copter to own is like 13-15 million? I'm not sure Kobe was willing to put that cost to own. It's been stated it was leased. I wonder, though, because Kawhi uses the same pilot. Does that mean he rode in the same copter? I don't know if it is, but as someone who has been in a helicopter 3 times in my life, I never really trusted them then, I sure don't now...

It's a copter company. Lots of celebs rode on those copters, and depending on the size of the crew, the copter would be larger or smaller. There wouldn't be a need for that large platform for just Kobe and his wife, they'd probably take something smaller, built for 4 not including pilot and co pilot. Kobe might have even sat shotgun on occasion on smaller birds.

[DMC]

https://duibe7slt06r7.cloudfront.net/Live/Binaries/ww-WW/images/Sikorsky%20S-76%20Int%20Pic_tcm87-3948.jpg

Cabin of a Sikorsky S-76

If that helicopter had a similar layout, the passengers probably never knew what hit them.

[Dirks_Finale]

And much more likely to happen in a car as well.

You probably have a greater chance of drowning in your own bath tub than you do dying on a aircraft. Just really bad weather and bad fate. Should have landed and waited for clearance.


He'd been riding the chopper for almost 20 years. You can die in a car accident as well. He just hit a bad roll of the dice. Celebs, CEOs and athletes ride choppers all the time.