HUGE Shift in Race: Bernie Officially Our Frontrunner, for the First Time

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bernie Sanders and the Revenge of the Superdelegates

Unless Bernie Sanders wins enough delegates to capture the Democratic Party nomination on the first ballot,

he is not going to be the nominee.

The reason will be that the superdelegates–those same people who were his wrath in 2016–

will come back to deny him the nomination.

In 2020 there will be 3,979 delegates to the Democratic National Convention who will be selected as a result of primaries and caucuses.

To win the nomination one needs 1,991 delegates.

If Bernie Sanders does not get to this number by the first round,

the 771 Superdelegates will get to vote, and he will need 2,376 votes to win.

Fat chance!

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/19/bernie-sanders-and-the-revenge-of-the-superdelegates/ (https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/19/bernie-sanders-and-the-revenge-of-the-superdelegates/)




Superdelegates are stupid and anti-constitutional. That's why you should join the Republican party, none of that "because I said so" bullcrap there.

To call yourselves the "Democratic party" and have an un-democratic primary election process is hypocrisy of epic proportions.

[Millennial_Messiah]

yeah, that is exclusively polling hispanics, who make up about 17% of the state

biden is all-in on south carolina right now. he needs to crush it there.

If Bloomy wins SC, is Biden out?

[spurraider21]

If Bloomy wins SC, is Biden out?
i'd imagine so, but i'm sure there will be temptation to try to ride out super tuesday

its really dumb that 4 states have this much impact tbh

[baseline bum]

i'd imagine so, but i'm sure there will be temptation to try to ride out super tuesday

its really dumb that 4 states have this much impact tbh

To play devil's advocate, I kind of like that one news cycle can't make or break a campaign like if the primaries were all done in the same day nationwide.

[Millennial_Messiah]

To play devil's advocate, I kind of like that one news cycle can't make or break a campaign like if the primaries were all done in the same day nationwide.

Maybe the states should all draw cards and, by random chance order have 5 states each week for 10 consecutive weeks from Feb-April to decide the primaries.

Have the drawings done the summer before (the summer of the odd numbered year before election year) so the candidates can plan their campaigns accordingly.

Make sense??

[boutons_deux]

THE REPUBLICANS PLANNING TO VOTE IN SOUTH CAROLINA’S DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY

Before the state’s Democratic primary, on February 29th, some conservatives are trying to settle on the least electable candidate.

Martin is the creator ofTrump 2-29, which is encouraging Republicans to vote for Bernie Sanders in the state’s upcoming Democratic primary, on February 29th.

“We’re really mad,” Martin told me recently, referring to her fellow-conservatives.

“Mad at how our President has been treated for the past several years :lol

a political and public-relations consultant from Greenville named Christopher Sullivan has launched a campaign that

nods more explicitly to Limbaugh’s influence: Operation Chaos 2020.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/campaign-chronicles/the-party-raiders-of-south-carolina (https://www.newyorker.com/news/campaign-chronicles/the-party-raiders-of-south-carolina)

ignorant, corrupt red / slave states, fucking up America

[spurraider21]

To play devil's advocate, I kind of like that one news cycle can't make or break a campaign like if the primaries were all done in the same day nationwide.
its also prohibitively expensive to campaign in all 50 states before weeding out

[Millennial_Messiah]

THE REPUBLICANS PLANNING TO VOTE IN SOUTH CAROLINA’S DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY

Before the state’s Democratic primary, on February 29th, some conservatives are trying to settle on the least electable candidate.

Martin is the creator ofTrump 2-29, which is encouraging Republicans to vote for Bernie Sanders in the state’s upcoming Democratic primary, on February 29th.

“We’re really mad,” Martin told me recently, referring to her fellow-conservatives.

“Mad at how our President has been treated for the past several years :lol

a political and public-relations consultant from Greenville named Christopher Sullivan has launched a campaign that

nods more explicitly to Limbaugh’s influence: Operation Chaos 2020.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/campaign-chronicles/the-party-raiders-of-south-carolina (https://www.newyorker.com/news/campaign-chronicles/the-party-raiders-of-south-carolina)

ignorant, corrupt red / slave states, fucking up America



Just like the Dems pulled an inside job to get Trump nominated in '16, and it backfired hilariously. :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol boomberg asking the other dem candidates to drop out so that he can beat bernie

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6780228-State-of-the-Race-Memo.html

[CosmicCowboy]

Wonder who Bernie will name as VP?

[Will Hunting]

:lol boomberg asking the other dem candidates to drop out so that he can beat bernie

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6780228-State-of-the-Race-Memo.html
The head to head poll between Bernie and stop and frisk Mike has Bernie winning by like 15 points.

Bloomberg’s increasingly outrageous behavior is going to start pissing people and candidates other than Bernie off if it hasn’t already.

[Will Hunting]

If Bloomy wins SC, is Biden out?
If anyone other than Biden wins SC he’s out.

If Biden wins SC by 5 points or less he really should be out but he’ll stick around for Super Tuesday at that point.

[Reck]

Bloomberg can’t win SC. He’s not on the ballot. Lol

A very interesting poll from ABC. Bloomberg is taking voters from Warren, not Biden. Mostly anyways.

He’s taking from older whites and people with college degree. He’s doing fairly shitty with African American.

Bernie has been the one eating into Biden’s black support.

[Reck]

If anyone other than Biden wins SC he’s out.

If Biden wins SC by 5 points or less he really should be out but he’ll stick around for Super Tuesday at that point.

Two SC polls out today has Biden tied and leading by just 2. :lmao

[baseline bum]

:lol boomberg asking the other dem candidates to drop out so that he can beat bernie

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6780228-State-of-the-Race-Memo.html

:lol But he didn't get in this race specifically to stop Bernie and Warren from taxing him :lol

[baseline bum]

Wonder who Bernie will name as VP?

Hopefully Tulsi so I can see derp's head explode here.

[Will Hunting]

:lol But he didn't get in this race specifically to stop Bernie and Warren from taxing him :lol
:cry he’s just really dedicated to stopping Trump :cry

:cry such a hero :cry

:cry how dare you question whether or not an oligarch taking over the Democratic Party is a good thing :cry

[Will Hunting]

Hopefully Tulsi so I can see derp's head explode here.
My sleeper VP pick for Bernie is Steyer.

[Reck]

:cry he’s just really dedicated to stopping Trump :cry

:cry such a hero :cry

:cry how dare you question whether or not an oligarch taking over the Democratic Party is a good thing :cry

Thing is I'm pretty sure the DNC will meddle and force Amy and Pete to backed Bloomberg. I dont think Warren and Biden will just tell their voters to vote for elite rich guy over there.

[spurraider21]

My sleeper VP pick for Bernie is Steyer.
i really cant see him placing a billionaire in his administration due to the optics

in an interview a while back close to a year ago he said he would probably look for a female VP as well. i honestly think he was eyeing tulsi but she's alienated herself quite a bit

[spurraider21]

:lol But he didn't get in this race specifically to stop Bernie and Warren from taxing him :lol


:cry he’s just really dedicated to stopping Trump :cry

:cry such a hero :cry

:cry how dare you question whether or not an oligarch taking over the Democratic Party is a good thing :cry
ok so 4 more years of trump it is!

/chump

[baseline bum]

ok so 4 more years of trump it is!

/chump

it was 4 more years anyways

/chump

[Will Hunting]

Thing is I'm pretty sure the DNC will meddle and force Amy and Pete to backed Bloomberg. I dont think Warren and Biden will just tell their voters to vote for elite rich guy over there.
I don’t think endorsements given by candidates who drop out end up meaning all that much. The RNC tried meddling in 2016 and it didn’t matter. By the time Buttplug and Klobuchar throw in the towel and drop out no one will give a shit who they endorse.

[Will Hunting]

it was 4 more years anyways

/chump
Rube socialist rube rube Sanders isn’t going to win the rube vote so more Trump it is (insert more jibberish about rubes and socialist).

/chump

[Reck]

ok so 4 more years of trump it is!

/chump

So chump was a Biden guy then?

[Reck]

From the ABC poll today:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERIpIS7XUAAcUws?format=jpg&name=medium

Bernie beating Biden in his supposed stronghold in the moderate/conservative collum. :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol biden and bloomberg do better among moderates/conservatives than they do among liberals

edit: spurminator pointed out that the poll is already among dems and dem-leaning, so thats kinda the expected result

[RandomGuy]

:lol biden and bloomberg do better among moderates/conservatives than they do among liberals

Age bracket is going to be what drives it. If Sanders gets the nod... it will be interesting to see how the turn out unfolds.

In my neck of the woods, with Texas State University, I am guessing we will see some record turn-out. Given the number of large college towns in Texas, and youngish population, that may skew Texas very very close to purple this time around.

As I said... interesting.

[spurraider21]

:lol the chris matthews meltdown continues

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/19/chris_matthews_bernie_sanders_is_full_of_it_would_ lose_49_states_to_trump.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/19/chris_matthews_bernie_sanders_is_full_of_it_would_ lose_49_states_to_trump.html)

[Spurminator]

:lol biden and bloomberg do better among moderates/conservatives than they do among liberals

Kind of expected in a poll of Democrats and Democrat-leaning, no?

[spurraider21]

Kind of expected in a poll of Democrats and Democrat-leaning, no?
fair point, mea culpa

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Great news!!!

[Reck]

:lol boomberg asking the other dem candidates to drop out so that he can beat bernie

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6780228-State-of-the-Race-Memo.html

This did not age well whatsoever. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

i really cant see him placing a billionaire in his administration due to the optics

in an interview a while back close to a year ago he said he would probably look for a female VP as well. i honestly think he was eyeing tulsi but she's alienated herself quite a bit
what has Tulsi done wrong, tbh? Her war against Hillary is a good thing.

[spurraider21]

sanders leading in polls in texas :wow

[spurraider21]

what has Tulsi done wrong, tbh? Her war against Hillary is a good thing.
her constant going on fox news to bash dems probably didnt sit well with her party, while republicans still dislike her because she is very far left on policy. dems already didnt like her because she was the first member of congress to break the mold and endorse bernie in 2016

[ElNono]

As a side note, it’s refreshing to see the influence of baby boomers fading out, tbh... it might not entirely happen this cycle, and they’re probably the main reason a guy like Bloomberg has a solid shot at this, but if the overall polling is more or less within a certain degree of accuracy, then that’s probably one of the more salient read outs.

[Millennial_Messiah]

her constant going on fox news to bash dems probably didnt sit well with her party, while republicans still dislike her because she is very far left on policy. dems already didnt like her because she was the first member of congress to break the mold and endorse bernie in 2016
It doesn't mean she's wrong. It just means she's candid and outspoken and puts the truth first. I respect that

[spurraider21]

It doesn't mean she's wrong. It just means she's candid and outspoken and puts the truth first. I respect that
true, but you need party support if you want to by vying for a position in the administration.

[Millennial_Messiah]

true, but you need party support if you want to by vying for a position in the administration.
insert generic *2 party system sucks ass* post here

[spurraider21]

insert generic *2 party system sucks ass* post here
sure, but its what we have

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bernie takes Nevada!!

[Reck]

Bernie takes Nevada!!

You dont say? Guy average lead there was 20 points coming into it.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You dont say? Guy average lead there was 20 points coming into it.
What's the establishment dems reaction going to be when Bernie takes SC and most of Super Tuesday too?

[Reck]

What's the establishment dems reaction going to be when Bernie takes SC and most of Super Tuesday too?

If that happens then clearly the nomination process comes to an end and Bernie should run all the way to Milwaukee uncontested. But he's not going to win South Carolina. Be real.

It'd be closer than everyone expected though but this is Biden's to lose.

[Millennial_Messiah]

If that happens then clearly the nomination process comes to an end and Bernie should run all the way to Milwaukee uncontested. But he's not going to win South Carolina. Be real.

It'd be closer than everyone expected though but this is Biden's to lose.
Who's your dog in the race, tbh? Biden? Bloomie? Tom? Amy? Dick? Harry?

[Reck]

Who's your dog in the race, tbh? Biden? Bloomie? Tom? Amy? Dick? Harry?

Bernie for sure since NH.

I do realize most of his promises are empty ones but I dont care because I actually have a job and dont expect to lean on Bernie's freebies. Also I'm done with school so that's not a factor for me. No debt there.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bernie for sure since NH.

I do realize most of his promises are empty ones but I dont care because I actually have a job and dont expect to lean on Bernie's freebies. Also I'm done with school so that's not a factor for me. No debt there.

so you've finally jumped on the bandwagon (even if for no personal gain) even after shitting on him in favor of hillary all 2016? lol.

[hater]

BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE!!!


USA USA USA!

[TheGreatYacht]

BREAKING: Bernie DOMINATES Nevada Caucus

https://youtu.be/aYScFDcCBto

[Reck]

so you've finally jumped on the bandwagon (even if for no personal gain) even after shitting on him in favor of hillary all 2016? lol.

I have always said I like Bernie personally. Just dont agree on some policies of his because they're so out there.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I have always said I like Bernie personally. Just dont agree on some policies of his because they're so out there.

Do you think he takes back the North belt, Texas and Florida? in the general election. tbh.

[Reck]

Do you think he takes back the North belt, Texas and Florida? in the general election. tbh.

He has a better shot in texas than he does Florida.

Florida is mostly old white dudes. He's currently polling in the single digits there while he's virtually tie in Texas with Biden.

[Pelicans78]

Only thing stopping Bernie from winning the nomination is a massive heart attack.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Only thing stopping Bernie from winning the nomination is a massive heart attack.

Plot Twist: Buttigieg or Gabbard randomly die of a heart attack

[hater]

Only thing stopping Bernie from winning the nomination is a massive heart attack.

disagree Bernie is stil about 40% chance of ringing the DNC

he has to win huge in multiple states and gain momentum to fuck off any establishment attempt

he does that and its heloo socialism american style

[florige]

disagree Bernie is stil about 40% chance of ringing the DNC

he has to win huge in multiple states and gain momentum to fuck off any establishment attempt

he does that and its heloo socialism american style


Anyone with a half a brain should now realize that Bernie is the only one who can beat Trump. Biden would lose bad

[Reck]

Anyone with a half a brain should now realize that Bernie is the only one who can beat Trump. Biden would lose bad

Where are you getting this?

I think realistically Bernie and Biden are the only ones with some kind of shot. Biden holds a healthy lead in key states we lost last time.

Michigan:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Michigan.html

PA:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Pennsylvania.html

Wisconsin:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Wisconsin.html

Ohio:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Ohio.html

So yeah either of them is a safe bet in my opinion. Bernie's goal now is to get as many delegates as he can. He cant be within reach of second place or they'll probably take it from him.

[hater]

Anyone with a half a brain should now realize that Bernie is the only one who can beat Trump. Biden would lose bad

:tu :tu

[florige]

Where are you getting this?

I think realistically Bernie and Biden are the only ones with some kind of shot. Biden holds a healthy lead in key states we lost last time.

Michigan:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Michigan.html

PA:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Pennsylvania.html

Wisconsin:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Wisconsin.html

Ohio:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Ohio.html

So yeah either of them is a safe bet in my opinion. Bernie's goal now is to get as many delegates as he can. He cant be within reach of second place or they'll probably take it from him.



That’s right now Reck. I worry that Bernie supporters will may come out and vote for anyone except Bernie especially if they think he got screwed over. And what I mean by those numbers now is Hillary held similar leads to Trump prior to Election Day too and wound up losing. Listen I don’t really have a dog in this race, I just look at his rallies and social media support and they are a lot similar to where Trump is. That might sound dumb, but that worried me about Hillary in 2016 and then the nightmare scenario happened. Sanders just looks to have a more grassroots following than the other candidates imo.

[florige]

Where are you getting this?

I think realistically Bernie and Biden are the only ones with some kind of shot. Biden holds a healthy lead in key states we lost last time.

Michigan:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Michigan.html

PA:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Pennsylvania.html

Wisconsin:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Wisconsin.html

Ohio:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Ohio.html

So yeah either of them is a safe bet in my opinion. Bernie's goal now is to get as many delegates as he can. He cant be within reach of second place or they'll probably take it from him.


And you may be right, maybe Biden could beat Trump. But I just feel Trump would bring up the bad about Obama and somehow link Biden to it and it would hurt him. I just feel Bernie is new, and would stand a lot better chance against Trump than Biden. But that’s just my opinion.

[Reck]

That’s right now Reck. I worry that Bernie supporters will may come out and vote for anyone except Bernie especially if they think he got screwed over. And what I mean by those numbers now is Hillary held similar leads to Trump prior to Election Day too and wound up losing. Listen I don’t really have a dog in this race, I just look at his rallies and social media support and they are a lot similar to where Trump is. That might sound dumb, but that worried me about Hillary in 2016 and then the nightmare scenario happened. Sanders just looks to have a more grassroots following than the other candidates imo.

I get you. But voting for Bernie or supporting him out of fear that his supporters might vote for someone else is no better than voting for Trump.

Like for example, if Bloomberg is the nominee I would rather lose and go down in flames then give my vote to him. Paying attention to twitter and facebook is why most people are full on retarded these days.

I cant even talk to one of my best friend because he's convinced Trump is gonna win because Bernie is getting the nomination. The negativity is too much to deal with. And no amount of sensible talk can get him out of it so fuck him I say.

[boutons_deux]

Bernie won the Latino vote big, and his win proves, yet again, as it have since 2008, that Medicare for All is hugely popular.

Unlike Hillary, Bernie is a lot more than just the anti-Trump

Dem establishment and BigFinance will now pile on against Bernie

[boutons_deux]

Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, And Pete Buttigieg Are Nearly Broke As Super Tuesday Approaches

https://www.inquisitr.com/5904322/elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-pete-buttigieg-broke/ (https://www.inquisitr.com/5904322/elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-pete-buttigieg-broke/)

[Winehole23]

Biden is cratering as we speak. He's barely coherent on the stump, tires easily, and tells ridiculous fibs.

He should do everyone a favor and get out of the way: he's not mentally up to it, but the decisive thing is, the more voters see of him, the less they like him. If he doesn't win SC he's toast.

[Ball Buster]

Watching the NBC news clip, the reporter says it’s because of the young people, and the Latinos Bernie wins big. Cut to a disheveled sycophant young male wearing glasses. It’s subtle, but the media always portrays his voters as outsiders, and slightly mentally ill people. Completely different light in the way the other candidates our shown. :lol

[florige]

Bernie won the Latino vote big, and his win proves, yet again, as it have since 2008, that Medicare for All is hugely popular.

Unlike Hillary, Bernie is a lot more than just the anti-Trump

Dem establishment and BigFinance will now pile on against Bernie



I think some people (the average joe blow voter who does zero research) just will vote for whom ever comes
out of the dem party no matter if it does happen to be that scum Bloomberg just so Trump and his supporters are raving mad on Election Day. I like Bernie fine. I just thinks he has a little more of a campaign message than Biden does. Trump had it with his wall nonsense, and Bernie’s is free everything. Like Trump’s stupid wall we all know most of
Bernie’s free everything will not come to fruition. Maybe sometime down the line, but not here and now. But it’s a talking point that gets people riled up and gets them to come out to vote. The other candidates just seem stale and I don’t think they would be able to garner the enthusiasm that Sanders can. And we need someone like this to go up against Trump because you know his followers will be out in droves again. That’s the reason I continually really push Bernie on people. For instance here in MD right now Biden is leading. Hopefully that will change come Super Tuesday the more Bernie rambles on about giving everyone stuff for free and simply making that bad billionaires pay for it.

[Reck]

Biden is cratering as we speak. He's barely coherent on the stump, tires easily, and tells ridiculous fibs.

He should do everyone a favor and get out of the way: he's not mentally up to it, but the decisive thing is, the more voters see of him, the less they like him. If he doesn't win SC he's toast.

rofl and leave the void he's going to fill for bloomberg.

Biden needs to stay in to at least keep faggots like bloomberg from ever winning a single primary. Biden gets out and all his support gets added to Bloomberg's already rising support. He's already at 15. Biden drops and that's at least 20% as a gift. No thanks.

[Ball Buster]

CBS cuts to Pete Buttigieg, shows his entire 15 minute fight back speech. On a stage full of dignified black women smiling at him and applauding him. :lol

[Reck]

CBS cuts to Pete Buttigieg, shows his entire 15 minute fight back speech. On a stage full of dignified black women smiling at him and applauding him. :lol


Why does Pete forces at least 2 blacks to be behind him at the podium? That's not gonna change they hate you. :lol

[Winehole23]

rofl and leave the void he's going to fill for bloomberg.

Biden needs to stay in to at least keep faggots like bloomberg from ever winning a single primary. Biden gets out and all his support gets added to Bloomberg's already rising support. He's already at 15. Biden drops and that's at least 20% as a gift. No thanks.Eh, we'll see. Prognostication is a fool's game.

Bloomberg made a big mistake by joining the debates, he was notably weaker than all the other candidates. Bloomberg lacks charisma and rhetorical snap.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/cockycat/status/1231435925680513024?s=21

:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

It's a sad state in American politics if our choice for president in 2020 is Trump or Bernie.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah the Dems should nominate Jeb Bush so the “moderate” Republicans have an option they like.

[hater]

It's a sad state in American politics if our choice for president in 2020 is Trump or Bernie.

because Jebb Bush/Rubio vs Shillary/Buttman so much better :lmao

[Will Hunting]

because Jebb Bush/Rubio vs Shillary/Buttman so much better :lmao
:lol I like how Republicans think the Dems should nominate another Republican because they’re projecting their warped views onto the rest of the country

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol I like how Republicans think the Dems should nominate another Republican because they’re projecting their warped views onto the rest of the country

:lmao @ a Bernie Bro calling everyone else warped.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao @ a Bernie Bro calling everyone else warped.
That’s telling me!

[RandomGuy]

:lmao @ a Bernie Bro calling everyone else warped.

lolxd

[RandomGuy]

:lol I like how Republicans think the Dems should nominate another Republican because they’re projecting their warped views onto the rest of the country

That is the insidious part.

They have gotten so used to setting the narrative, and the right wing media has pushed that even into what is normally considered "mainstream", that they have assumed that they can pick or should pick the nominee for the other party.

Republicans will not vote for a Democrat, no matter what. Why give a flying shit what they think about who the nominee should be?

[CosmicCowboy]

That is the insidious part.

They have gotten so used to setting the narrative, and the right wing media has pushed that even into what is normally considered "mainstream", that they have assumed that they can pick or should pick the nominee for the other party.

Republicans will not vote for a Democrat, no matter what. Why give a flying shit what they think about who the nominee should be?

I think Bernie should be your nominee. :lol

[hater]

I think Bernie should be your nominee. :lol

me too :tu

bwt I called a Trump win when everyone said Hillary was 99% gonna win :lol

I call a Bernie vs Trump a toss up and if I had to pick I pick Bernie

[baseline bum]

me too :tu

bwt I called a Trump win when everyone said Hillary was 99% gonna win :lol

I call a Bernie vs Trump a toss up and if I had to pick I pick Bernie

You called a Hillary win too though. :lol

[hater]

You called a Hillary win too though. :lol

negative

I called a Trump win in Feb 2016

I said Congrats Hillary on winning a couple weeks before election as jinx strategy

it all worked out :tu

[Trill Clinton]

Going to early vote today

[CosmicCowboy]

So how many house seats do you think you will lose with Bernie at the top of the ticket?

[SnakeBoy]

I think Bernie should be your nominee. :lol

#MeToo

[monosylab1k]

The boomer humor going on in this thread :lmao

[Winehole23]

So how many house seats do you think you will lose with Bernie at the top of the ticket?Quite the opposite, I think he'll increase turnout and carry other Dems on his coattails.

[CosmicCowboy]

Quite the opposite, I think he'll increase turnout and carry other Dems on his coattails.

Guess we will see, won't we? The big gains in the House in 18 were in purple and red districts. The radicals like OAC just knocked off conservative democrats. Bernie is gonna scare a lot of independents.

[Trill Clinton]

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the $150 billion a year this would cost is the same as the bump trump gave for military spending and nobody said shit.

[spurraider21]

can DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042) and CosmicCowboy (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=207) please go primary for bernie? i mean like you said, it will only help trump win!

its an open primary in texas. go go go

[ChumpDumper]

Forgive me for asking, but is ceding Florida to Dennison in February the absolute best path to victory?

[monosylab1k]

https://twitter.com/freedarko/status/1231823450185945088?s=21

[boutons_deux]

universal childcare paid by taxpayers to already-super-expensive for-profit childcare centers is stupid, if that's what is proposed.

non-profit, govt-operated childcare, pre-K is the solution, but America can't do solutions For The People anymore

parents are getting fleeced by for-profit child care, sometimes costing more than, eg, a parent nets.

[CosmicCowboy]

https://twitter.com/freedarko/status/1231823450185945088?s=21

Yeah, Democrats never say anything about Trump.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/freedarko/status/1231823450185945088?s=21I might consider the opinions of the ones who want Trump defeated tbh.

[RandomGuy]

So how many house seats do you think you will lose with Bernie at the top of the ticket?

Close to zero. Likelihood is a gain of seats at this point.

Your side is going to exaggerate the negatives.

We will get to see how much credence to give to "conventional" wisdom when the largest segment of eligible voters is millenials.

[picnroll]

Bloomberg adds about to be unloaded on Bernie.

[CosmicCowboy]

Close to zero. Likelihood is a gain of seats at this point.

Your side is going to exaggerate the negatives.

We will get to see how much credence to give to "conventional" wisdom when the largest segment of eligible voters is millenials.

We will see.

[ChumpDumper]

Close to zero.Well the FL D reps are disavowing Bernie quickly so they might be safe.

[spurraider21]

Bloomberg adds about to be unloaded on Bernie.
wow a republican with anti-bernie ads!

[SnakeBoy]

https://twitter.com/freedarko/status/1231823450185945088?s=21

Conservatives are helpful by nature

[Spurs Homer]

CNN aggressively attacking bernie for his answers on 60 minutes


good!


attack him brutally


more of us will make sure to vote for bernie


the right got their nazi
the rich got their huge share of the pie $$
gop and russia won for 4 years




now the poor and middle class will take revenge



crawl motherfuckers crawl!


lololol

[DarrinS]

CNN aggressively attacking bernie for his answers on 60 minutes


good!


attack him brutally


more of us will make sure to vote for bernie


the right got their nazi
the rich got their huge share of the pie $$
gop and russia won for 4 years




now the poor and middle class will take revenge



crawl motherfuckers crawl!


lololol


Poor fella having a nervous breakdown. :lol

[Will Hunting]

I might consider the opinions of the ones who want Trump defeated tbh.
So none of them then.

[Spurs Homer]

Poor fella having a nervous breakdown. :lol

quite the opposite


celebrating a true anti-establishment outsider


throwing back trumpism in their faces


you must know the feeling


”triggering the libs”



welp


get ready for years of the exact opposite


seeing poor, blacks,browns, immigrants,etc


winning!


lololol

[Will Hunting]

Forgive me for asking, but is ceding Florida to Dennison in February the absolute best path to victory?
It’s not but since the last 3 moderate Dem candidates (Gore Kerry Clinton) went 0 for 3 in Florida I’m not sure why moderate Dems are using Florida as a talking point.

[Spurs Homer]

It’s not but since the last 3 moderate Dem candidates (Gore Kerry Clinton) went 0 for 3 in Florida I’m not sure why moderate Dems are using Florida as a talking point.

because a lot of cubans will be targeted by the media -

and using bernie's "out of context" comments about castro/communism

against bernie

causing a lot of cubans to go against bernie

[CosmicCowboy]

This Bernie love fest is starting to remind me of Beto...

Bernto?

[Will Hunting]

because a lot of cubans will be targeted by the media -

and using bernie's "out of context" comments about castro/communism

against bernie

causing a lot of cubans to go against bernie
No I get it...I just find it funny that moderate Dems act like they’ve developed some ironclad strategy on how to win Forida when Hillary Kerry and Gore all lost the state.

[ChumpDumper]

So none of them then.Plenty of them out there tbh.

[Will Hunting]

Plenty of them out there tbh.
Like who? DarrinS and CosmicCowboy?

[ChumpDumper]

It’s not but since the last 3 moderate Dem candidates (Gore Kerry Clinton) went 0 for 3 in Florida I’m not sure why moderate Dems are using Florida as a talking point.I'm not sure why you're using other candidates as a talking point when your candidate just gave Florida away.

[ChumpDumper]

Like who? DarrinS and CosmicCowboy?Yes, that's exactly whom I'm talking about.

[Will Hunting]

Yes, that's exactly whom I'm talking about.
:lmao if you think Republicans like them are voting Democrat

[Will Hunting]

I'm not sure why you're using other candidates as a talking point when your candidate just gave Florida away.
The most recent polls in Florida have him doing best in a head to head vs Trump in Florida.

[ChumpDumper]

The most recent polls in Florida have him doing best in a head to head vs Trump in Florida.Doubt that's the case after Sunday's own goal tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao if you think Republicans like them are voting DemocratYour zeal has damaged your sarcasm detector.

[Will Hunting]

Doubt that's the case after Sunday's own goal tbh.
We’ll see...Ali I know is that the last three moderate Dems are 0 for 3 in Florida general elections.

[Will Hunting]

Your zeal has damaged your sarcasm detector.
Don’t mean this negatively but your posts have a pretty dry tone so it’s hard to tell.

What Republicans are you talking about them? The ones I know who are truly disgusted with Trump (not very many) are voting for whoever the Dem is even if it’s Sanders.

[spurraider21]

bernie asked about castro... he denounces the authoritarianism multiple times, makes a single comment about the literacy program being a good thing.

reaction: OMG he went out of his way to praise a dictator

[ChumpDumper]

We’ll see...Ali I know is that the last three moderate Dems are 0 for 3 in Florida general elections.:lol Gore basically tied and Clinton lost by a whole 1.2%. Somehow Bernie is a lock after inviting the Cubans back to be vote solidly Republican.

[ChumpDumper]

bernie asked about castro... he denounces the authoritarianism multiple times, makes a single comment about the literacy program being a good thing.

reaction: OMG he went out of his way to praise a dictatorThis is how politics works.

[Spurs Homer]

No I get it...I just find it funny that moderate Dems act like they’ve developed some ironclad strategy on how to win Forida when Hillary Kerry and Gore all lost the state.


yup

not to mention the russians helped desantis cheat

against gillum

but the fbi refuses to disclose their investigation findings due to

nat’l security reasons

[spurraider21]

btw, the clip in question, in its entirety, is from 0:15 to 0:45


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfIYxl_5NGA

[Will Hunting]

:lol Gore basically tied and Clinton lost by a whole 1.2%. Somehow Bernie is a lock after inviting the Cubans back to be vote solidly Republican.
Where did I say he’s a lock? None of the candidates are even close to a lock and I never said otherwise.

I’ll agree though that if the goal is to barely lose Florida or to “basically tie” Trump in the state (but still lose) then we should go Bloomer all the way :tu

[spurraider21]

This is how politics works.
if rubes keep pushing it...

[ChumpDumper]

Where did I say he’s a lock? None of the candidates are even close to a lock and I never said otherwise.

I’ll agree though that if the goal is to barely lose Florida or to “basically tie” Trump in the state (but still lose) then we should go Bloomer all the way :tuSo we should go Bernie and lose big!


if rubes keep pushing it...And they will. It won't stop, so color in FL red permanent marker for 2020.

[spurraider21]

And we will. It won't stop, so color in FL red permanent marker for 2020.

[Spurminator]

Don’t mean this negatively but your posts have a pretty dry tone so it’s hard to tell.

What Republicans are you talking about them? The ones I know who are truly disgusted with Trump (not very many) are voting for whoever the Dem is even if it’s Sanders.

Where do you live, though? Is it a thing where you're surrounded by so many liberals that most of the few conservatives around are extra vocal just to be contrarian?

Aside from a few exceptions, almost every conservative I know in Texas would consider most of the Democrat candidates over Trump, but I don't have a lot of confidence that they'll vote for Bernie. That's anecdotal of course but I think you're underestimating the number of former Republicans who would cast a vote for a moderate Dem against Trump, but I also agree that the Bernie enthusiasm might outnumber it. I really have no idea.

[Will Hunting]

yup

not to mention the russians helped desantis cheat

against gillum

but the fbi refuses to disclose their investigation findings due to

nat’l security reasons
Meh I like Gillum and think he’s would have otherwise been good but he had the wrong skin color in a state dominated by poor white trash. He was a victim of people giving one answer in polls but then getting into the voting booth and voting against scary black man.

[Will Hunting]

Where do you live, though? Is it a thing where you're surrounded by so many liberals that most of the few conservatives around are extra vocal just to be contrarian?

Aside from a few exceptions, almost every conservative I know in Texas would consider most of the Democrat candidates over Trump, but I don't have a lot of confidence that they'll vote for Bernie. I think you're underestimating the number of former Republicans who would cast a vote for a moderate Dem against Trump, but I also agree that the Bernie enthusiasm might outnumber it. I really have no idea.
Yeah everyone knows a DarrinS type Republican who says they’ll consider voting for Biden or Bloomer over Trump...the results of the 2016 election should tell you that’s bullshit though.

[ChumpDumper]

[ ]I'm telling you what will happen. Bernie just gave Trump all the ammo he needs to keep FL. I don't think Bernie can be contrite enough to save it. Dude's gonna dig in. Shoot the messenger if you want.

[Spurminator]

Yeah everyone knows a DarrinS type Republican who says they’ll consider voting for Biden or Bloomer over Trump...the results of the 2016 election should tell you that’s bullshit though.

Nah, I believe these people, these aren't insecure cheerleaders who get a lot of weird joy out of seeing random "libtards" on the internet get mad. A good number of them voted for Hillary. Others voted for Trump thinking he'd surround himself with smarter people who would keep him in check, and he'd end up being more levelheaded once he actually won. Oops.

[Will Hunting]

Sanders’ comments about Castro go back decades, the most recent one isn’t going to change anything in the long term.

Honestly my bigger concern with Florida and Sanders is (even though he’s Jewish) his pro-Palestine stance alienating older Jews in Southeast Florida who are typically heavily liberal.

[monosylab1k]

This Bernie love fest is starting to remind me of Beto...

Bernto?

good one, boomer :tu

[spurraider21]

Where do you live, though? Is it a thing where you're surrounded by so many liberals that most of the few conservatives around are extra vocal just to be contrarian?

Aside from a few exceptions, almost every conservative I know in Texas would consider most of the Democrat candidates over Trump, but I don't have a lot of confidence that they'll vote for Bernie. I think you're underestimating the number of former Republicans who would cast a vote for a moderate Dem against Trump, but I also agree that the Bernie enthusiasm might outnumber it. I really have no idea.
the approaches are generating new turnout vs flipping votes. of course the ideal answer is "both" but i dont know that pete/amy/biden/bloomberg are going to do the former, or that sanders/warren would do the latter.

and if you had to lean one way, its an open question. i would argue that in a country with poor turnout figures, there is enough of an untapped base that focusing on turnout/excitement/mobilization is the more viable approach. and the largest pool of untapped votes, by age, is the younger vote

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/newsroom/press-kits/2017/voting-and-registration/figure04.png

[koriwhat]

DIE BERNIE DIE! FUCK ALL YOU COMMIE LOSERS!

[spurraider21]

man i remember that time obama colored in florida with a permanent red marker

1231951847096803329

[ChumpDumper]

man i remember that time obama colored in florida with a permanent red marker

1231951847096803329Bernie candidate not Obama

:lol don't get pissy. I'm just saying what's going to happen. Bernie fucked himself and probably won't do anything to unfuck himself. He's pretty arrogant that way.

[monosylab1k]

DIE BERNIE DIE! FUCK ALL YOU COMMIE LOSERS!

Is this the drugs or the bipolar taking?

[ChumpDumper]

man i remember that time obama colored in florida with a permanent red marker

1231951847096803329BTW, FL did indeed go red a few months after he said that so maybe not the best counter argument....

[Spurs Homer]

Meh I like Gillum and think he’s would have otherwise been good but he had the wrong skin color in a state dominated by poor white trash. He was a victim of people giving one answer in polls but then getting into the voting booth and voting against scary black man.


i agree

but the fbi found voting machines hacked

and desantis went from congress and staunch trump supporter

to governor- overnight

fbi refused to disclose what happened

[koriwhat]

Is this the drugs or the bipolar taking?

whatever LARDASS!

https://media1.tenor.com/images/55a6b89b618801959808019d1fa633b6/tenor.gif

[vy65]

bernie asked about castro... he denounces the authoritarianism multiple times, makes a single comment about the literacy program being a good thing.

reaction: OMG he went out of his way to praise a dictator

He made the comment praising Castro back in the 80s and was being asked about it. This is the same plays the Rs are gonna throw at him in the general. It's not a one-off comment being blown out of proportion.

[koriwhat]

He made the comment praising Castro back in the 80s and was being asked about it. This is the same plays the Rs are gonna throw at him in the general. It's not a one-off comment being blown out of proportion.

so he hasn't changed then? fuck commie bernout. i hope he breathes his last breath soon enough. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

He made the comment praising Castro back in the 80s and was being asked about it. This is the same plays the Rs are gonna throw at him in the general. It's not a one-off comment being blown out of proportion.Right? This is so stupid. WE WANT BERNIE TO WIN IF HE IS NOMINATED. WE DON'T WANT HIM FUCKING HIMSELF BEFORE HE EVEN WINS THE NOMINATION. HE IS CURRENTLY FUCKING HIMSELF BEFORE HE EVEN WINS THE NOMINATION.

[vy65]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/284/302/652.jpg

[vy65]

Right? This is so stupid. WE WANT BERNIE TO WIN IF HE IS NOMINATED. WE DON'T WANT HIM FUCKING HIMSELF BEFORE HE EVEN WINS THE NOMINATION. HE IS CURRENTLY FUCKING HIMSELF BEFORE HE EVEN WINS THE NOMINATION.

I don't get it either. You'd think he'd run away from praising dictators rather than doubling down on shit he said in the 80s that probably won't do him any favors in a key swing state.

[boutons_deux]

The real damage done to "socialistic Cuba" is Capitalistic America's cruel embargo, not from socialism itself.

Bernie's comment in FL is easily countered by him saying, as Obama did, that he will open up US businesses and tourists to visiting, investing in Cuba.

btw, Cuban AirBnB hosts are pissed by that attitude of rich guests looking down their noses, taking up tons of time with questions, emails, bullshit.

===================

As Airbnb grows in Cuba, locals suffer the emotional burden of entitled tourists

Unused to the fake smiles innate to the gig economy, Cubans bear the brunt of Airbnb's emotional labor

https://www.salon.com/2020/02/16/as-airbnb-grows-in-cuba-locals-suffer-the-emotional-burden-of-entitled-tourists/ (https://www.salon.com/2020/02/16/as-airbnb-grows-in-cuba-locals-suffer-the-emotional-burden-of-entitled-tourists/)

[ChumpDumper]

I don't get it either. You'd think he'd run away from praising dictators rather than doubling down on shit he said in the 80s that probably won't do him any favors in a key swing state.The most important thing to Bernie is Bernie. If it comes down to beating Trump or smelling his own farts, he'll take Afrin over Florida.

[vy65]

The most important thing to Bernie is Bernie. If it comes down to beating Trump or smelling his own farts, he'll take Afrin over Florida.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Bernie's comment in FL is easily countered by him saying, as Obama did, that he will open up US businesses and tourists to visiting, investing in Cuba.Hey, great idea.

Maybe he should be saying that over and over and over today.

Is he?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

hmmm yeah he's gonna lose Florida over this shit.

[Spurs Homer]

Hey, great idea.

Maybe he should be saying that over and over and over today.

Is he?

he should always answer by deflecting to trump and how the media never gave a fuck that trump never answered any question

how will you pay for healthcare?
trump : “hillary, obama, best health care on day 1”

why does bernie have to play along?

[ChumpDumper]

he should always answer by deflecting to trump and how the media never gave a fuck that trump never answered any question

how will you pay for healthcare?
trump : “hillary, obama, best health care on day 1”

why does bernie have to play along?Because he's running for president against an incumbent during a period of relative prosperity.

Why act like he's above criticism?

[spurraider21]

so he should apologize/backtrack from praising increased literacy rates in cuba because its cuba?

[Will Hunting]

Yeah he’s definitely not going to win by constantly deflecting to Trump, that was a failed strategy before Trump was an incumbent in a what’s considered by most as a good economy and it’ll fail even harder now.

I don’t think it’s going to do a ton of damage but his comment about Castro was incredibly stupid, there’s no denying that.

[Will Hunting]

so he should apologize/backtrack from praising increased literacy rates in cuba because its cuba?
At that this point he shouldn’t backpedal but he needs to recongnize that any commentary from him that can be misconstrued as praising an authoritarian communist dictator will be.

[spurraider21]

At that this point he shouldn’t backpedal but he needs to recongnize that any commentary from him that can be misconstrued as praising an authoritarian communist dictator will be.
i guess maybe he should have condemned the authoritarian nature of cuba/castro before and after making his comment on their improved literacy

[Will Hunting]

i guess maybe he should have condemned the authoritarian nature of cuba/castro before and after making his comment on their improved literacy
What votes did he gain by making the improved literacy comment? I don’t disagree with him but he needs to think like a politician and avoid comments that are all downside with no upside.

[vy65]

i guess maybe he should have condemned the authoritarian nature of cuba/castro before and after making his comment on their improved literacy

Those condemnations - like the one in the video - aren't really all that persuasive when he's being shown a clip from the 1980's praising Castro.

[spurraider21]

What votes did he gain by making the improved literacy comment? I don’t disagree with him but he needs to think like a politician and avoid comments that are downside with no upside.
he didnt make those comments unprompted. they specifically asked him about his comments from the 80's, and his response was, yeah, we condemn the autoritarian regime, but lets not act like things like improved literacy were also bad things. also fyi we condemn the authoritarian regime and im not going to cozy up to murdering dictators like trump has done with kim

[Will Hunting]

he didnt make those comments unprompted. they specifically asked him about his comments from the 80's, and his response was, yeah, we condemn the autoritarian regime, but lets not act like things like improved literacy were also bad things. also fyi we condemn the authoritarian regime and im not going to cozy up to murdering dictators like trump has done with kim
Just say we condemn the authoritarian regime with the dig about Trump and Kim Kong and leave it at that. In the eyes of Cuban voters he needs everything about Castro was bad and he’s not going to change their minds.

[koriwhat]

he should always answer by deflecting to trump and how the media never gave a fuck that trump never answered any question

how will you pay for healthcare?
trump : “hillary, obama, best health care on day 1”

why does bernie have to play along?

funny how you call everyone a traitor while you try to usher in a known communist. fuck you and bernie; both of yall are fucking mentally ill rejects! :tu

[Spurs Homer]

Because he's running for president against an incumbent during a period of relative prosperity.

Why act like he's above criticism?

why act like he is below trump?

trump answered ZERO questions

or lied...

the media consistently gave him a pass- or shrugged and said “thats trump!”

the media needed 3 years to call his lies - LIES

to this day trumps gives two fucks about answering questions or being courteous, stately, honest


and the media are just fine with that- but now are clutching their pearls because bernies answer was inadequate?


Bernie should wise up right now and say -

until you hold trump accountable- I only have to answer to my base- to my supporters

[Spurs Homer]

funny how you call everyone a traitor while you try to usher in a known communist. fuck you and bernie; both of yall are fucking mentally ill rejects! :tu

wrong

im merely throwing back all you trump fellators hypocrisy back in your face


its ok when trump cozies up to communists and writes love letters and hides putins mtg notes?

welp

if trump can be a piece of shit traitor communist piece of shit and you can still fellate him


you can also have bernie who is no better and NO WORSE
than your piece of shit


see the difference?

you wanted an outlaw, a traitor, a liar, a cheat, a criminal because it triggered the libs


now you can stfu and see which base outvotes and outcheats the other!


hahahahahahaha!

[ChumpDumper]

why act like he is below trump?

trump answered ZERO questions

or lied...

the media consistently gave him a pass- or shrugged and said “thats trump!”

the media needed 3 years to call his lies - LIES

to this day trumps gives two fucks about answering questions or being courteous, stately, honest


and the media are just fine with that- but now are clutching their pearls because bernies answer was inadequate?


Bernie should wise up right now and say -

until you hold trump accountable- I only have to answer to my base- to my supporters:lol you sound like a Trump supporter more than anything.

[ChumpDumper]

so he should apologize/backtrack from praising increased literacy rates in cuba because its cuba?


Just say we condemn the authoritarian regime with the dig about Trump and Kim Kong and leave it at that. In the eyes of Cuban voters he needs everything about Castro was bad and he’s not going to change their minds.
This, but probably has to go a step further and say specifically what his policy towards Cuba is going to be, assuming it's going to be different from Trump's

[Winehole23]

hmmm yeah he's gonna lose Florida over this shit.Could be.

Elections aren't usually won or lost 9 months in advance.

2016 should have taught us all to be wary of authoritative prognostication, but, coin of the realm, I guess. Everyone's an expert on the significance of fleeting comments for voters in other states and elections still months away.

[Spurs Homer]

:lol you sound like a Trump supporter more than anything.


not at all

bernie answers are pretty complete- he denounced authoritarianism but the media cut off that part of his answer-

and basically highlighted the part where bernie credited castro for something positive that castro enacted


so if the goal is just to set up bernie and/or attack him-

I just dont think bernie should play along in his own demise especially after 2016.

So yes - trump figured out a way to trump the system (pun intended) and bernie can also use it - since the media has proven to not actually be able to handle that tactic.

[ChumpDumper]

not at all

bernie answers are pretty complete- he denounced authoritarianism but the media cut off that part of his answer-

and basically highlighted the part where bernie credited castro for something positive that castro enacted


so if the goal is just to set up bernie and/or attack him-

I just dont think bernie should play along in his own demise especially after 2016.

So yes - trump figured out a way to trump the system (pun intended) and bernie can also use it - since the media has proven to not actually be able to handle that tactic.Okay, Bernie is just naive and/or stupid and willingly walks into media traps.

Reassuring.

[Spurs Homer]

Okay, Bernie is just naive and/or stupid and willingly walks into media traps.

Reassuring.

nah

he is figuring it out

no matter how much you hate it- bernie has a grassroots movement and he is for real

fuck him over at your own peril (dems)

[ChumpDumper]

nah

he is figuring it outAfter 40 years in politics? :lmao


no matter how much you hate it- bernie has a grassroots movement and he is for real

fuck him over at your own peril (dems):lol Now you REALLY sound like a Trump supporter. All grievance and revenge ideation.

[spurraider21]

This, but probably has to go a step further and say specifically what his policy towards Cuba is going to be, assuming it's going to be different from Trump's
this is fair

i'm sure the issue will be raised at the debate tomorrow

[picnroll]

so he should apologize/backtrack from praising increased literacy rates in cuba because its cuba?

Because he’s stupid enough to praise Castro. Why go out of the way to praise Him for anything. I’m sure you could have praised Hitler for lower unemployment too.

[Splits]

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[Spurs Homer]

After 40 years in politics? :lmao

:lol Now you REALLY sound like a Trump supporter. All grievance and revenge ideation.

so who is better?

biden?
buttigeig?



who?


sanders has the best chance but im not the one picking trump


you are though.

[ChumpDumper]

Because he’s stupid enough to praise Castro. Why go out of the way to praise Him for anything. I’m sure you could have praised Hitler for lower unemployment too.1231983183794786305

[Reck]

This Bernie love fest is starting to remind me of Beto...

Bernto?

Beto would be a great VP. But Bernie probably considers him to be too moderate. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

so who is better?

biden?
buttigeig?



who?


sanders has the best chance but im not the one picking trump


you are though.Great. I hope he wins if he gets the nomination.

I will vote for whoever gets the nomination.

I will leave the worship to you.

[ChumpDumper]

1231781040211013632Bernie can say anything he wants to about Cuba after he's been president for seven years.:tu

[rmt]

negative

I called a Trump win in Feb 2016

I said Congrats Hillary on winning a couple weeks before election as jinx strategy

it all worked out :tu

No, you backed out on Trump - I think - after the audio tape. Only ducks stayed true.

[Spurs Homer]

Great. I hope he wins if he gets the nomination.

I will vote for whoever gets the nomination.

I will leave the worship to you.

I will also vote for whoever gets the nomination.

just calling it like it is - no worship

[ChumpDumper]

I will also vote for whoever gets the nomination.

just calling it like it is - no worship:lol you can't even admit it was a mistake.

[rmt]

universal childcare paid by taxpayers to already-super-expensive for-profit childcare centers is stupid, if that's what is proposed.

non-profit, govt-operated childcare, pre-K is the solution, but America can't do solutions For The People anymore

parents are getting fleeced by for-profit child care, sometimes costing more than, eg, a parent nets.

Why do you think govt-operated ANYTHING is good - look at our public schools. Look at Miami-Dade's half penny tax for a Metrorail that goes nowhere. Look at these 2 express lanes on the Palmetto that causes accidents and creates more traffic than when it was free flowing. Does government do anything well? And you want MORE of government controlling our lives?

[Reck]

he didnt make those comments unprompted. they specifically asked him about his comments from the 80's, and his response was, yeah, we condemn the autoritarian regime, but lets not act like things like improved literacy were also bad things. also fyi we condemn the authoritarian regime and im not going to cozy up to murdering dictators like trump has done with kim

The thing is Bernie can’t denounce the Castro regime and then finishes it out by saying oh and btw, it’s unfair to say everything was bad about Castro, he had an excellent literacy program that worked. Denounce and praise at the same time doesn’t work.

Guess what the media, his rivals are going to nitpick from that.

[vy65]

"To many people in Miami, that's like saying, 'Not everything Hitler did was bad, he also created the Autobahn,' " said Herrero. "It’s hard to see a scenario where he wins Florida if he keeps talking this way."

During interviews over the years, Sanders has said Castro, though not perfect, educated his people and implemented a health care system that benefited all Cubans.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/24/sanders-support-cuba-policies-may-sink-his-chances-florida/4856649002/

I'd press him on these types of comments in a debate. Comrade Bernie is in a bind of either a) defending his defenses of authoritarians, furthering the ire he's drawn from constituents like the Cubans in Florida or b) backing off of those statements, which can't sit well with his base and will play right into Trump's hands.

[Spurs Homer]

:lol you can't even admit it was a mistake.

what - bernies answer?

he believes what he believes -

he also explained it - why is it a mistake?

He denounced what he felt was wrong - and defended what he felt was not wrong
sounds like a decent open minded person to me who sees no need to toe the line because of “political correctness.”

[Reck]

what - bernies answer?

he believes what he believes -

he also explained it - why is it a mistake?

He denounced what he felt was wrong - and defended what he felt was not wrong
sounds like a decent open minded person to me who sees no need to toe the line because of “political correctness.”

Would you defend what you felt was "not wrong" about the things Hitler did for example?

Bernie is a smart man. He shouldn't have gone down this road. He fucked up. This will be in ads everywhere.

[Spurs Homer]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/24/sanders-support-cuba-policies-may-sink-his-chances-florida/4856649002/

I'd press him on these types of comments in a debate. Comrade Bernie is in a bind of either a) defending his defenses of authoritarians, furthering the ire he's drawn from constituents like the Cubans in Florida or b) backing off of those statements, which can't sit well with his base and will play right into Trump's hands.


sure,

because trump has consistently denounced the communist who attacked the usa


now trump has moral standing to attack bernie regarding strongmen?


lol

[Spurs Homer]

Would you defend what you felt was "not wrong" about the things Hitler did for example?

Bernie is a smart man. He shouldn't have gone down this road. He fucked up. This will be in ads everywhere.

no i would not - but i feel people are missing the point-


trump said “good people on both sides”

and the world kept spinning


bernie needs to answer to no one and would be better off just deflecting to trump


why should bernie be held to some standard when trump wasnt?


if the country - both left and right-

swallowed hard and legitimized trump

why suddenly clutch their pearls with bernie?


nah

post trump- ALL IS FAIR GAME

and the sooner bernie or some other democrat learn this - the better

[vy65]

sure,

because trump has consistently denounced the communist who attacked the usa


now trump has moral standing to attack bernie regarding strongmen?

lol

Trump has the ability to attack Bernie because of Bernie's stupid statements and refusal to back off them. Do you dispute that?

[Spurs Homer]

Trump has the ability to attack Bernie because of Bernie's stupid statements and refusal to back off them. Do you dispute that?

only if bernie continues to be bound by different rules than trump is bound by


this is why trump is president

he said “fuck the rules” and the rest of the country allowed him

now

if you want to beat trump

you have to say

ok

i will only answer - if trump answers-if he refuses - then i need not answer either-

example:

trump to bernie: “you are a communist”

bernie to trump: “you work for putin”

trump: “you are a socialist”
bernie: “you are a white supremacist”

trump : “why did you defend castro?”
bernie: “why did you have unprotected sex with a porn star?”


or

trump can win again

[vy65]

only if bernie continues to be bound by different rules than trump is bound by


this is why trump is president

he said “fuck the rules” and the rest of the country allowed him

now

if you want to beat trump

you have to say

ok

i will only answer - if trump answers-if he refuses - then i need not answer either-

example:

trump to bernie: “you are a communist”

bernie to trump: “you work for putin”

trump: “you are a socialist”
bernie: “you are a white supremacist”

trump : “why did you defend castro?”
bernie: “why did you have unprotected sex with a porn star?”


or

trump can win again

That would be really fucking stupid

[ChumpDumper]

:lol SpursHomer

It was a mistake. Dude needs to stop saying good things about communist regimes, full stop.

Even if good things happened.

Even if he believes they are good.

Doesn't matter.

Dude is trying to win the presidency.

[Spurs Homer]

:lol SpursHomer

It was a mistake. Dude needs to stop saying good things about communist regimes, full stop.

Even if good things happened.

Even if he believes they are good.

Doesn't matter.

Dude is trying to win the presidency.

maybe

but if he goes down that road

trump wins again

id say - to beat trump
steal his tactics and force the establishment to examine their double standard

[Reck]

maybe

but if he goes down that road

trump wins again

id say - to beat trump
steal his tactics and force the establishment to examine their double standard

Terrible, loser strategy.

People dont like Bernie because he's a Trump clone. The minute he starts insulting people is the minute everyone jumps ship.

[ChumpDumper]

Terrible, loser strategy.

People dont like Bernie because he's a Trump clone. The minute he starts insulting people is the minute everyone jumps ship.:lol I don't even know how to respond to his proposed strategy.

[Spurs Homer]

Terrible, loser strategy.

People dont like Bernie because he's a Trump clone. The minute he starts insulting people is the minute everyone jumps ship.


he doesnt need to insult people


he needs to keep doing what he is doing

and when unfairly attacked- he just has to point to trump

everything you can possibly use to attack ANY dem candidate-
trump has already committed that same offense

only a hundred times worse

[DMC]

Pretty sure not every single thing Hitler did was bad, but it's not politically savvy to say so during an election in the US.

[Spurs Homer]

Pretty sure not every single thing Hitler did was bad, but it's not politically savvy to say so during an election in the US.


agreed


”good people on both sides”

is a perfect example of this

[hater]

:lmao comparing Hitler to Castro

good ol rightwingers :lmao

[picnroll]

Fool’s gold

https://apple.news/ANwiO1vatRGypRI3RBtZK0g

[koriwhat]

wrong

im merely throwing back all you trump fellators hypocrisy back in your face


its ok when trump cozies up to communists and writes love letters and hides putins mtg notes?

welp

if trump can be a piece of shit traitor communist piece of shit and you can still fellate him


you can also have bernie who is no better and NO WORSE
than your piece of shit


see the difference?

you wanted an outlaw, a traitor, a liar, a cheat, a criminal because it triggered the libs


now you can stfu and see which base outvotes and outcheats the other!


hahahahahahaha!

what a weak pathetic response from a weak pathetic mentally ill loser like yourself SH.

lol trying to put trump in the same communist hole bernie dug.

[hater]

Fool’s gold

https://apple.news/ANwiO1vatRGypRI3RBtZK0g

and Biden said hed have a good campaign :lol

[Spurs Homer]

what a weak pathetic response from a weak pathetic mentally ill loser like yourself SH.

lol trying to put trump in the same communist hole bernie dug.

i didnt put bernie in the SAME hole

trump is a million times worse
putin owns $$$ trump

[koriwhat]

i didnt put bernie in the SAME hole

trump is a million times worse
putin owns $$$ trump

you're an idiot SH. from your incessant need to push russiagate even after the hoax was shown to be just that to your incessant need to lie about trump daily. you're ST's own rachel maddow. :tu

[Reck]

and Biden said hed have a good campaign :lol

Is he supposed to say he has a bad campaign and shitty people working for him?

[hater]

Is he supposed to say he has a bad campaign and shitty people working for him?

Sanders is having the campaign Biden could only dream off

yet peeps here are calling Bernie fools gold :lmao

hilarious shit

[picnroll]

and Biden said hed have a good campaign :lol

And Bernie thinks he’ll beat Trump :spin

[hater]

And Bernie thinks he’ll beat Trump :spin

and Trump thinks hell beat Bernie :lol

[picnroll]

and Trump thinks hell beat Bernie :lol
Bet?

[hater]

Bet?

sure Ill bet once Bernie is official nominee :tu

[ducks]

I bet you a 1000.00
He will not right now !

[Reck]

I bet you a 1000.00
He will not right now !

The government doesn't give you money to gamble away, ducks.

[ducks]

The gov has never given me a
Damm penny !

[ducks]

The government doesn't give you money to gamble away, ducks.

Not a gamble with that bet

[ducks]

Trump made me thousands in 2016 why the hell more in 2020

[hater]

I bet you a 1000.00
He will not right now !

deal :tu if bern is nominee my money is on him

already said itd be a toss up but I throw my hat at my man Bernie

[picnroll]

sure Ill bet once Bernie is official nominee :tu

Deal

[ChumpDumper]

Sanders is having the campaign Biden could only dream off

yet peeps here are calling Bernie fools gold :lmao

hilarious shitTrue, you called a Bernie victory unless he loses.

[monosylab1k]

Pretty sure not every single thing Hitler did was bad, but it's not politically savvy to say so during an election in the US.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMXva-8tPOI

[vy65]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMXva-8tPOI

https://reddit.com/r/fakehistoryporn/comments/f8t4p2/brave_man_refuses_to_stand_up_for_the_nazi_salute/

[spurraider21]

The gov has never given me a
Damm penny !


Trump made me thousands in 2016 why the hell more in 2020
:lol

[ElNono]

IMO, these comments won't matter one bit. Too far to the election, and he still has to win the nomination.

Also, the whole anti-Castro crowd in Cuba is already relatively solid Republican (you can thank Reagan for that, and it's actually pretty hilarious to hear Republican bitching about immigration these days), but the 2nd-3rd generation and the rest of the latinos don't really give much of a shit.

[RandomGuy]

And Bernie thinks he’ll beat Trump :spin

We will get to see, won't we?

Polls in Texas show him within 3%...

California+New York+Texas = 41% of the electoral college votes needed to be president. Steady drip drip drip of young hispanic voters becoming eligible every day, and old white voters dying off.

Dems have written off Texas forever, but since Trump got elected, we have been hyper-energized, and that has been led in no small part by Latinas. I have seen this first hand.

[RandomGuy]

IMO, these comments won't matter one bit. Too far to the election, and he still has to win the nomination.

Also, the whole anti-Castro crowd in Cuba is already relatively solid Republican (you can thank Reagan for that, and it's actually pretty hilarious to hear Republican bitching about immigration these days), but the 2nd-3rd generation and the rest of the latinos don't really give much of a shit.

All of this old stuff is getting outed now, pre-main campaign. All campaigns do the internal oppo and try to get ahead of the negatives. Set the narrative, and that is what sticks in most people's heads.

[baseline bum]

We will get to see, won't we?

Polls in Texas show him within 3%...

California+New York+Texas = 41% of the electoral college votes needed to be president. Steady drip drip drip of young hispanic voters becoming eligible every day, and old white voters dying off.

Dems have written off Texas forever, but since Trump got elected, we have been hyper-energized, and that has been led in no small part by Latinas. I have seen this first hand.

No Democrat is winning Texas. Come on, be serious. You have to know a ton of conservatives living here, and tell me how many of them don't like Trump. And not DarrinS style I don't like how much Trump tweets, but Republican voters who genuinely see him as dangerous and who actually vote against him.

[DarrinS]

How many far left candidates of Bernie's ilk, e.g. Justice Democrats, Our Revolution, etc. flipped a House seat in 2018?

Answer: zero

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I hate to say it and I don't mean to be a dick, but it seems like Corona fucking over the stock market is the best chance Trump has of losing this election.

[boutons_deux]

No Democrat is winning Texas. Come on, be serious. You have to know a ton of conservatives living here, and tell me how many of them don't like Trump. And not DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042) style I don't like how much Trump tweets, but Republican voters who genuinely see him as dangerous and who actually vote against him.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r2787936955919681145&th=1707d9b82f001802&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ8McmCWw3h_6vWL1vHUtEq6SBRZTsCoatrxT2o SVpxx7EBo0ppmga-aKfbh_6eaOPIsqc7PoF87uXOcAdqcY63rqiEQoZ7aLhXdZMRY0 YR7pD98XAyq9Swqdlc&disp=emb&realattid=ii_k7283qgw0
Dems only hope in TX is the 100 years of urbanization.

DAL, HOU, AUS, SAT all vote blue but not enough to offset rural/frontier Christian Macho Man vestigial vote

The rural culture of church (LGBT-hate), guns, guns, guns, farming/ranching, misogyny, racism (slave state, Deep South/Jim Crow in East TX), xenophobia, Every Thing is Bigger in Texas (says the gun-fellatin dickless cowboy), guns, racism is still strong as ever in urban/suburban areas.

Even the fucking urban sheriff guys still wear Macho Man cowboy hats.

Probably not even a purple TX.

[CosmicCowboy]

No Democrat is winning Texas. Come on, be serious. You have to know a ton of conservatives living here, and tell me how many of them don't like Trump. And not DarrinS style I don't like how much Trump tweets, but Republican voters who genuinely see him as dangerous and who actually vote against him.

I think Hurds seat will flip blue.

[spurraider21]

How many far left candidates of Bernie's ilk, e.g. Justice Democrats, Our Revolution, etc. flipped a House seat in 2018?

Answer: zero
you're right. go primary for bernie

[CosmicCowboy]

No Democrat is winning Texas. Come on, be serious. You have to know a ton of conservatives living here, and tell me how many of them don't like Trump. And not DarrinS style I don't like how much Trump tweets, but Republican voters who genuinely see him as dangerous and who actually vote against him.

I think Hurds seat will flip blue.

[DarrinS]

We will get to see, won't we?

Polls in Texas show him within 3%...

California+New York+Texas = 41% of the electoral college votes needed to be president. Steady drip drip drip of young hispanic voters becoming eligible every day, and old white voters dying off.

Dems have written off Texas forever, but since Trump got elected, we have been hyper-energized, and that has been led in no small part by Latinas. I have seen this first hand.


I'm sure Texans are thrilled about Bernie's proposed ban on fracking. :lol

[Spurtacular]

I hate to say it and I don't mean to be a dick, but it seems like Corona fucking over the stock market is the best chance Trump has of losing this election.

I was telling someone yesterday how this helps Commie Cuck.

[RandomGuy]

I'm sure Texans are thrilled about Bernie's proposed ban on fracking. :lol

We are less thrilled by his actions on Mexican trade.

[hater]

latest SC poll. Bernie surges to 27%

biden drops to 23%

if bernie takes SC. :wow :wow :wow

[Millennial_Messiah]

#FeelTheBern

[Millennial_Messiah]

latest SC poll. Bernie surges to 27%

biden drops to 23%

if bernie takes SC. :wow :wow :wow
Link?

[spurraider21]

there's a SC poll with Biden 27, Bernie 23... not the other way around

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-6824.html

[hater]

Link?

CNN


oops my bad misread “trailing” :lol

[ChumpDumper]

latest SC poll. Bernie surges to 27%

biden drops to 23%

if bernie takes SC. :wow :wow :wow:lol no poll says that

[RandomGuy]

How many far left candidates of Bernie's ilk, e.g. Justice Democrats, Our Revolution, etc. flipped a House seat in 2018?

Answer: zero

How many far right candidates of Trumps ilk. e.g. fascists, etc, flipped a house seat in 2018?

Answer: zero

[Spurs Homer]

Lotta pearl clutching going on over Bernie ...


meanwhile;

1)russia cyberfucking the usa to help trump
2) intel reports attack to congress
3) trump loses his shit and fires the intel guy for doing his job and reporting the attack
4) trump places a cultist in charge of intel and makes it clear
“Fuck the usa/fuck national security- your job is to KEEP the truth from americans”
5) trump sends out his henchmen to lie about russias attack
6) russia now gets the message: “usa is disarmed and open to attack and you have the usa presidents permission to attack”


but


”bernie defended castro in 19fucking82!!!”


wtf is wrong with americans?

[ChumpDumper]

Lotta pearl clutching going on over Bernie ...


meanwhile;

1)russia cyberfucking the usa to help trump
2) intel reports attack to congress
3) trump loses his shit and fires the intel guy for doing his job and reporting the attack
4) trump places a cultist in charge of intel and makes it clear
“Fuck the usa/fuck national security- your job is to KEEP the truth from americans”
5) trump sends out his henchmen to lie about russias attack
6) russia now gets the message: “usa is disarmed and open to attack and you have the usa presidents permission to attack”


but


”bernie defended castro in 19fucking82!!!”


wtf is wrong with americans?Doesn't matter. Winning matters. Bernie should stop being an idiot about this. "But muh literacy brigades" isn't a winner. End it.

[Spurs Homer]

Doesn't matter. Winning matters. Bernie should stop being an idiot about this. "But muh literacy brigades" isn't a winner. End it.

meh

non-issue

bernies got this

[ChumpDumper]

meh

non-issue

bernies got thisNo, he doesn't. Every time it's brought up he says Well actually people read I like read read good Castro good. He's an arrogant idiot.