View Full Version : HUGE Shift in Race: Bernie Officially Our Frontrunner, for the First Time
Lotta pearl clutching going on over Bernie ...
meanwhile;
1)russia cyberfucking the usa to help trump
2) intel reports attack to congress
3) trump loses his shit and fires the intel guy for doing his job and reporting the attack
4) trump places a cultist in charge of intel and makes it clear
“Fuck the usa/fuck national security- your job is to KEEP the truth from americans”
5) trump sends out his henchmen to lie about russias attack
6) russia now gets the message: “usa is disarmed and open to attack and you have the usa presidents permission to attack”
but
”bernie defended castro in 19fucking82!!!”
wtf is wrong with americans?
More whataboutism ... not a good look
If you can't defend Bernie's muh literacy brigade schtick without using the following words: Trump, Russia, Ukraine, National Intelligence, or Impeached(ment), then you are going to be in for some rough times ahead.
Will Hunting
02-25-2020, 03:58 PM
If you can't defend Bernie's muh literacy brigade schtick without using the following words: Trump, Russia, Ukraine, National Intelligence, or Impeached(ment), then you are going to be in for some rough times ahead.
I’d defend it from the historically accurate perspective but I don’t think that’s what you’re saying...from a political perspective there’s absolutely no way to defend his Castro comments.
If he just kept his mouth shut the conversation everyone would be having right now is “Who’s going to stop Bernie” instead the conversation is about Castro and whether or not Bernie is a communist.
He needs to just swallow his pride and give the obligatory line condemning Castro like every other presidential candidate does.
Spurs Homer
02-25-2020, 05:20 PM
No, he doesn't. Every time it's brought up he says Well actually people read I like read read good Castro good. He's an arrogant idiot.
nah
young people want a revolution
young people dont give a fuck about castro or the cold war or communism
young people are saying- “the rich got their piece of the pie- we want our share”
only old scurred boomers are afraid of bernie saying somethIng wrong
old terrified people — afraid to lose - lolol
young people arent leaving bernie no matter how much you guys are terrified of losing
those republican talking points got scared dems clutching dem pearls
ChumpDumper
02-25-2020, 05:22 PM
nah
young people want a revolution
young people dont give a fuck about castro or the cold war or communism
young people are saying- “the rich got their piece of the pie- we want our share”
only old scurred boomers are afraid of bernie saying somethIng wrong
old terrified people — afraid to lose - lolol
young people arent leaving bernie no matter how much you guys are terrified of losing
those republican talking points got scared dems clutching dem pearlsYou're coming off as arrogant as Bernie is and just as clueless.:tu
This is bad, especially if Bernie learns nothing from it.
Why does Homer's posts come out like letters? Is it just me who sees that?
ChumpDumper
02-25-2020, 05:30 PM
Why does Homer's posts come out like letters? Is it just me who sees that?I do it occasionally for effect. Looks like your posts go through Western Union if overused.
The case that Bernie Sanders is just as electable as the more moderate candidates thus appears to rest on a leap of faith: that youth voter turnout would surge in the general election by double digits if and only if Bernie Sanders is nominated, compensating for the voters his nomination pushes to Trump among the rest of the electorate.
There are reasons to doubt a Sanders-driven youth turnout surge of this size would materialize. First, people who promise in surveys they will vote often don’t, meaning the turnout estimates that Sanders’s electability case rests upon are probably extremely inaccurate. Second, such a turnout surge is large in comparison to other effects on turnout. For example, Sanders would need to stimulate a youth turnout boost much larger than the turnout boost Barack Obama’s presence on the ballot stimulated among black voters in 2008.
Third, Sanders’s electability case requires this 11 percentage point turnout increase among young voters in 2020 to occur on top of any turnout increase that would otherwise occur if another Democrat were nominated.
If the turnout of all age groups increases from 2016 to 2020 (as happened from 2014 to 2018), then the turnout among young people must increase by 11 percentage points above and beyond this broader trend, and must do so solely due to Sanders’s presence on the ticket. Finally, youth voter turnout doesn’t usually go up or down by nearly as much as 11 percentage points from election to election; the Sanders boost would have to be truly unprecedented.
And this enormous 11 percentage point turnout boost is only enough to make Sanders as electable as the more moderate candidates, given the other votes he loses to Trump. For him to be the most electable Democratic candidate based on his ability to inspire youth turnout, Sanders’s nomination would need to increase youth turnout by even more.
Early polls are never a surefire guide to what will happen in an election months later. But Democrats should not be very reassured by early polls that find Sanders faring as well against Trump as the more moderate candidates: These numbers may only look decent for Sanders because they assume he will inspire a youth turnout miracle. Our survey data reveals voters of all parties moving to Trump if Sanders is nominated, a liability papered over by young voters who claim they would be inspired to vote by Sanders alone.
The gamble Democrats supporting Sanders based on his early polls against Trump must be ready to make is that, despite the evidence to the contrary, the lowest-participating segment of the electorate will turn out at remarkably high rates because Sanders is nominated.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/25/21152538/bernie-sanders-electability-president-moderates-data
I do it occasionally for effect. Looks like your posts go through Western Union if overused.
I dont get it?
Spurs Homer
02-25-2020, 05:34 PM
You're coming off as arrogant as Bernie is and just as clueless.:tu
This is bad, especially if Bernie learns nothing from it.
arrogant about what?
here is the truth;
trump is cheating- there is zero chance anyone will outcheat him- zero
so we are fucked
bernie - in this post trump russia world
is the last shot to match trumps fuckery- the evidence is in the current freak-out
only someone that can upset the applecart as much as trump did has a chance to somehow wake the sleeping zombie entitled americans who are snoozing while their country is being destroyed from within
if bernie gets fucked again - goodbye to any semblance of normalcy
bernie got the kids, the poor, the browns, the blacks
only scared boomers and white supremacists are against bernie
the rest of the sane population is responding to bernies message of revolution
its a long shot - but you gotta stand up to trump and russia and only a movement of angry aware people can stop trump now.
ChumpDumper
02-25-2020, 05:37 PM
arrogant about what?
here is the truth;
trump is cheating- there is zero chance anyone will outcheat him- zero
so we are fucked
bernie - in this post trump russia world
is the last shot to match trumps fuckery- the evidence is in the current freak-out
only someone that can upset the applecart as much as trump did has a chance to somehow wake the sleeping zombie entitled americans who are snoozing while their country is being destroyed from within
if bernie gets fucked again - goodbye to any semblance of normalcy
bernie got the kids, the poor, the browns, the blacks
only scared boomers and white supremacists are against bernie
the rest of the sane population is responding to bernies message of revolution
its a long shot - but you gotta stand up to trump and russia and only a movement of angry aware people can stop trump now.If you don't want me to support Bernie, you're doing a bang-up job.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/25/21152538/bernie-sanders-electability-president-moderates-data
The article doesn't specifically address yet another cohort of voters who, rather than switching from D to R, would opt to just not vote.
Spurs Homer
02-25-2020, 05:45 PM
If you don't want me to support Bernie, you're doing a bang-up job.
hahaha
welp
you can join later -once there is no other choice
boutons_deux
02-25-2020, 06:11 PM
INSIDE BERNIE SANDERS’ HUGE SUPER TUESDAY ADVANTAGE
Because Sanders is running away with Super Tuesday, less than two weeks before the March 3 primaries.
That is the takeaway from the latest edition of The Forecast (http://www.ozy.com/forecast)
Desk HQ that looks at polls, demographics, fundraising numbers, media hits and historical trends to determine the likelihood of each candidate winning the nomination.
his real triumph could come on Super Tuesday, when 14 states carrying nearly a third of the overall Democratic delegates will vote.
That would put the Democratic socialist on the inside track to securing an insurmountable delegate lead.
Former Vice President Joe Biden finishes second in our Super Tuesday forecast, earning 352 delegates.
He’s followed by Bloomberg at 192 — those results could change if his disastrous debate performance (https://www.ozy.com/news-and-politics/bloomberg-debate-democrats-president-las-vegas/280129/) leads to a plunge in the polls —
with Warren (116), Klobuchar (32) and Buttigieg (13) bringing up the rear in the March 3 states.
Given that Democrats allocate delegates on a proportional basis by state and congressional district, rather than winner-take-all,
a lead in the hundreds is exceedingly hard to lose.
Sanders is projected to win most of the March 3 states,
including narrow triumphs over Biden in Texas and Bloomberg in North Carolina.
But his expected bump comes largely on the strength of a huge advantage in California:
We show him earning about 28 percent of the vote, with Biden at 16 percent.
That would mean potentially a 116-delegate lead from California alone.
early voting has already begun in several March 3 battlegrounds — including California, Texas and North Carolina.
That means any momentum shifts to come in the next 10 days would be muted by millions of votes already cast, and the snapshot as of today shows Sanders as the candidate to beat.
He now has a 24 percent chance of securing the 1,991 delegates he needs to win the nomination outright.
But even if Sanders doesn’t hit the magic number on the first ballot in Milwaukee in July,
it’s highly likely that he will enter the convention with some sort of delegate lead.
https://www.ozy.com/news-and-politics/inside-bernie-sanders-super-tuesday-advantage/280822/?li_source=LI&li_medium=default-widget
DarrinS
02-25-2020, 06:43 PM
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/25/21152538/bernie-sanders-electability-president-moderates-data
"Sanders would need to stimulate a youth turnout boost much larger than the turnout boost Barack Obama’s presence on the ballot stimulated among black voters in 2008."
:wow
hater
02-25-2020, 06:45 PM
arrogant about what?
here is the truth;
trump is cheating- there is zero chance anyone will outcheat him- zero
so we are fucked
bernie - in this post trump russia world
is the last shot to match trumps fuckery- the evidence is in the current freak-out
only someone that can upset the applecart as much as trump did has a chance to somehow wake the sleeping zombie entitled americans who are snoozing while their country is being destroyed from within
if bernie gets fucked again - goodbye to any semblance of normalcy
bernie got the kids, the poor, the browns, the blacks
only scared boomers and white supremacists are against bernie
the rest of the sane population is responding to bernies message of revolution
its a long shot - but you gotta stand up to trump and russia and only a movement of angry aware people can stop trump now.
preach it ma niga :tu
hater
02-25-2020, 06:45 PM
hahaha
welp
you can join later -once there is no other choice
:lol
hater
02-25-2020, 06:46 PM
"Sanders would need to stimulate a youth turnout boost much larger than the turnout boost Barack Obama’s presence on the ballot stimulated among black voters in 2008."
:wow
nerdy claim up there by couch strategists ^
DarrinS
02-25-2020, 06:54 PM
nerdy claim up there by couch strategists ^
Appears to be backed up by data
Lol WWIII prognosticator talking about couch strategists
boutons_deux
02-25-2020, 08:46 PM
Bernie Sanders’s universal childcare plan would mean Millennials like me could start families
The financial burden of having children is immense, and that’s not accounting for lifestyle changes that often accompany parenthood.
Many new parents find themselves in need of a larger house or vehicle, or potentially reorienting their career path so that they can make more money, work closer to home, or leave the workforce for a while so they don’t have to pay for childcare.
Having children is as much a financial decision as it is an emotional one, and for many Millennials, the numbers just don’t add up.
It costs about $13,000 per year (https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/cost-to-raise-child-14814957) to have a child, and according to the Center for American Progress (https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/early-childhood/reports/2018/11/15/460970/understanding-true-cost-child-care-infants-toddlers/), dropping a baby off at a licensed daycare facility costs an average of $1,230 per month.
the percentage of new mothers under the age of 35 has decreased (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/04/more-than-a-million-millennials-are-becoming-moms-each-year/),
while the percentage of mothers with postsecondary degrees has risen (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/08/facts-about-u-s-mothers/).
It’s no wonder that the American birth rate is the lowest it’s been since 1972 (https://www.npr.org/2019/05/15/723518379/u-s-births-fell-to-a-32-year-low-in-2018-cdc-says-birthrate-is-at-record-level).
https://theoutline.com/post/8738/bernie-sanders-universal-childcare-plan-would-mean-millennials-could-start-families?utm_source=NL&zr=qtf62zsx&zd=1&zi=5hjumzub
Again, Capitalists guard the gateway to children.
"Wanna have a kid? Pay up, suckers"
boutons_deux
02-25-2020, 09:31 PM
"Polls show declining support for sanctions among Cuban Americans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Americans).
A June 2014 poll showed
52% of Cuban Americans in Miami-Dade County, Florida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami-Dade_County,_Florida), opposed the embargo and 48% supported it;
56% of Cuban Americans in Miami-Dade County had supported the embargo in 2011,
while 87% had supported it in 1991."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba#Details_of_Cuba n_embargo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba#Details_of_Cuba n_embargo)
Bernie could pick a lot BigCorp, Hispanic, Cuban-American votes by saying he will annul the act-of-war embargo and treat Cuba like any other country.
ElNono
02-26-2020, 05:11 AM
How many far left candidates of Bernie's ilk, e.g. Justice Democrats, Our Revolution, etc. flipped a House seat in 2018?
Answer: zero
Meanwhile, incumbent Democratic Sens. Joe Donnelly, D-Ind., and Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., who both tacked aggressively to the center, lost by wider margins in friendlier states. And Tennessee Democratic Senate challenger Phil Bredesen, who said he would have voted to confirm Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, got trounced by 11 percentage points to an unpopular opponent.
The center-right of the party shouldn't really be puffing their chest either, tbh
pgardn
02-26-2020, 09:04 AM
arrogant about what?
here is the truth;
trump is cheating- there is zero chance anyone will outcheat him- zero
so we are fucked
bernie - in this post trump russia world
is the last shot to match trumps fuckery- the evidence is in the current freak-out
only someone that can upset the applecart as much as trump did has a chance to somehow wake the sleeping zombie entitled americans who are snoozing while their country is being destroyed from within
if bernie gets fucked again - goodbye to any semblance of normalcy
bernie got the kids, the poor, the browns, the blacks
only scared boomers and white supremacists are against bernie
the rest of the sane population is responding to bernies message of revolution
its a long shot - but you gotta stand up to trump and russia and only a movement of angry aware people can stop trump now.
And the backlash.
A revolution will involve more than Trump and Russia.
How about, the boomers need to give all their money to charity and commit suicide.
We free up health care care for the infants and young ones (the people who should be watched most carefully imo), and we redistribute wealth.
Done and solved.
DarrinS
02-26-2020, 09:06 AM
Meanwhile, incumbent Democratic Sens. Joe Donnelly, D-Ind., and Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., who both tacked aggressively to the center, lost by wider margins in friendlier states. And Tennessee Democratic Senate challenger Phil Bredesen, who said he would have voted to confirm Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, got trounced by 11 percentage points to an unpopular opponent.
The center-right of the party shouldn't really be puffing their chest either, tbh
All of the house gains were by moderate dems.
CosmicCowboy
02-26-2020, 09:25 AM
Bernie Sanders’s universal childcare plan would mean Millennials like me could start families
The financial burden of having children is immense, and that’s not accounting for lifestyle changes that often accompany parenthood.
Many new parents find themselves in need of a larger house or vehicle, or potentially reorienting their career path so that they can make more money, work closer to home, or leave the workforce for a while so they don’t have to pay for childcare.
Having children is as much a financial decision as it is an emotional one, and for many Millennials, the numbers just don’t add up.
It costs about $13,000 per year (https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/cost-to-raise-child-14814957) to have a child, and according to the Center for American Progress (https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/early-childhood/reports/2018/11/15/460970/understanding-true-cost-child-care-infants-toddlers/), dropping a baby off at a licensed daycare facility costs an average of $1,230 per month.
the percentage of new mothers under the age of 35 has decreased (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/04/more-than-a-million-millennials-are-becoming-moms-each-year/),
while the percentage of mothers with postsecondary degrees has risen (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/08/facts-about-u-s-mothers/).
It’s no wonder that the American birth rate is the lowest it’s been since 1972 (https://www.npr.org/2019/05/15/723518379/u-s-births-fell-to-a-32-year-low-in-2018-cdc-says-birthrate-is-at-record-level).
https://theoutline.com/post/8738/bernie-sanders-universal-childcare-plan-would-mean-millennials-could-start-families?utm_source=NL&zr=qtf62zsx&zd=1&zi=5hjumzub
Again, Capitalists guard the gateway to children.
"Wanna have a kid? Pay up, suckers"
It's a choice between having kids or having more cool shit.
"Middle class" in 1960 was husband working and wife staying home cooking 3 meals a day from scratch and raising kids. They lived in a 2 bedroom frame house with no air conditioning, had one car they drove till the wheels fell off, one small black and white TV with 3 channels that went off at midnight.. They might eat out once a month and it was a "special occasion". They had one phone and talked really fast if they had to make a long distance call.
They could afford to have kids because they weren't spending their money on a bunch of other shit.
Winehole23
02-26-2020, 10:00 AM
It's a choice between having kids or having more cool shit.
"Middle class" in 1960 was husband working and wife staying home cooking 3 meals a day from scratch and raising kids. They lived in a 2 bedroom frame house with no air conditioning, had one car they drove till the wheels fell off, one small black and white TV with 3 channels that went off at midnight.. They might eat out once a month and it was a "special occasion". They had one phone and talked really fast if they had to make a long distance call.
They could afford to have kids because they weren't spending their money on a bunch of other shit.
The costs of education, housing and health care relative to wages/salary are far higher now than 40 years ago.
Frugality only goes so far when costs rise so much.
boutons_deux
02-26-2020, 10:07 AM
Dem/Clinton establishment hack Carville calls / red-baits Bernie as a Communist, Bloomberg, protecting his wealth, says the same.
CosmicCowboy
02-26-2020, 10:08 AM
The costs of education, housing and health care relative to wages/salary are far higher now than 40 years ago.
Frugality only goes so far when costs rise so much.
I agree the cost of education is ridiculous. It is directly related to the availability of student loans. Housing cost? A 3/2/2 house in 1960 was definitely upper class. Dominion type mansions didn't even exist. Middle class was a 2 bedroom, one bath , no air conditioned house which can still be bought on a middle class salary. You can't compare the cost of health care from 1960 to today because the product is so different. In 1960 if you had a heart attack or got cancer or any other major disease you just died.
boutons_deux
02-26-2020, 10:14 AM
I agree the cost of education is ridiculous. It is directly related to the availability of student loans. Housing cost? A 3/2/2 house in 1960 was definitely upper class. Dominion type mansions didn't even exist. Middle class was a 2 bedroom, one bath , no air conditioned house which can still be bought on a middle class salary. You can't compare the cost of health care from 1960 to today because the product is so different. In 1960 if you had a heart attack or got cancer or any other major disease you just died.
compared to other industrial countries with advanced UNIVERSAL health care and that often prescribe American drugs and use American health devices,
USA wastes about $1T / year and gets worse health outcomes than comparable countries, so that if you're poor you suffer and die many years earlier than the rich.
American longevity is about the same as other advanced countries IF Americans live long enough to reach Medicare age.
American health care is just another necessity, like so many others, controlled by Capitalists to extract wealth out of Americans and the government.
The Capitalists' scam: "you want to live? pay the fuck up"
hater
02-26-2020, 10:55 AM
:wow
could the establishment be facing reality and seeing Bernie dominate?!?!
holy shit
https://twitter.com/geoffrbennett/status/1232685164427436033?s=21
Bernie is so far ahead in the polls only a heart attack coukd stop him :wow
boutons_deux
02-26-2020, 11:05 AM
:wow
could the establishment be facing reality and seeing Bernie dominate?!?!
holy shit
https://twitter.com/geoffrbennett/status/1232685164427436033?s=21
Bernie is so far ahead in the polls only a heart attack coukd stop him :wow
The oligarchy, including wealthy Dems who could be extremely liberal,progressive on all topics except their "cheese" don't touch it, has not yet begun to spend.
$100Ms, $B?, will be spent to red-bait, slander, trash Bernie, every fucking day, every fucking hour, and stupd people will begin to believe it because they heard it everywhere. Must be true, right?
Trill Clinton
02-26-2020, 11:30 AM
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Will Hunting didn't i tell your ass a couple months back that black people will vote for whoever has the best chance to win the nomination? I knew the Biden support wasn't going to last. Only thing holding us up was the older demographic who watch cnn/msnbc and get their orders from them. It took a little time but we finally got them on board.
CosmicCowboy
02-26-2020, 11:35 AM
American longevity is about the same as other advanced countries IF Americans live long enough to reach Medicare age.
They aren't dying young because of lack of health care. Statistically the early deaths are mostly self inflicted by drugs, alcohol, murder, suicide, car wrecks, etc.
hater
02-26-2020, 11:37 AM
Bernie could be possibly Obama on steroids
its happening? :wow
hater
02-26-2020, 11:44 AM
https://twitter.com/sramyaguchi/status/1232701887855648769?s=21
Spurminator
02-26-2020, 11:45 AM
If Bloomberg is really in the race just to stop Bernie from winning the nomination, his best move at this point is probably to just drop out so his votes will go back to Biden.
Ball Buster
02-26-2020, 11:57 AM
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1232690911492149248?s=21
hater
02-26-2020, 12:04 PM
:lmao team bloomberg
https://twitter.com/pop_wasabi/status/1232708696628551680?s=21
hater
02-26-2020, 12:11 PM
:lmao bloomberg voters
https://twitter.com/ad_inifinitum/status/1232708264799981568?s=21
Winehole23
02-26-2020, 12:19 PM
I agree the cost of education is ridiculous. It is directly related to the availability of student loans. Housing cost? A 3/2/2 house in 1960 was definitely upper class. Dominion type mansions didn't even exist. Middle class was a 2 bedroom, one bath , no air conditioned house which can still be bought on a middle class salary. You can't compare the cost of health care from 1960 to today because the product is so different. In 1960 if you had a heart attack or got cancer or any other major disease you just died.
Costs are costs and are comparable across time. It's true the product has changed: the US delivers health care at a much higher cost with worse outcomes than pretty much all other rich countries and even some of the poor ones.
Spurminator
02-26-2020, 12:32 PM
Ann Coulter with an unintentional Warren endorsement.
1232477909266231296
CosmicCowboy
02-26-2020, 12:35 PM
Costs are costs and are comparable across time. It's true the product has changed: the US delivers health care at a much higher cost with worse outcomes than pretty much all other rich countries and even some of the poor ones.
Sure. That's why people come from all over the world to our doctors and hospitals.
boutons_deux
02-26-2020, 12:43 PM
Sure. That's why people come from all over the world to our doctors and hospitals.
that's why RICH people come to USA from non-industrial countries with weak health care systems, and pay $100Ks CASH for treatment
Poor people in those countries, just like in USA, suffer and die under-treated or not treated, or treated too late.
Longevity in USA states that expanded Medicaid INCREASED while red/slave states that did expand Medicaid let their people suffer and die to spite that knitter Obama
aka, negligent manslaughter by Repug state policy
florige
02-26-2020, 04:44 PM
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Will Hunting didn't i tell your ass a couple months back that black people will vote for whoever has the best chance to win the nomination? I knew the Biden support wasn't going to last. Only thing holding us up was the older demographic who watch cnn/msnbc and get their orders from them. It took a little time but we finally got them on board.
I think people are finally starting to get on board that Bernie is the only one with a real shot at beating Trump.
Winehole23
02-26-2020, 05:14 PM
Sure. That's why people come from all over the world to our doctors and hospitals.There's no contradiction between that and what I said.
Winehole23
02-26-2020, 05:16 PM
There's no contradiction between that and what I said.Notably, the person who travels to the US for care has cleared the toughest hurdle, the ability to pay for it, which correlates strongly with better health outcomes.
boutons_deux
02-26-2020, 05:42 PM
thousands of times more common is Americans traveling abroad to get healthcare because they simply cannot afford to be ripped off by American doctors
Will Hunting
02-26-2020, 05:45 PM
Notably, the person who travels to the US for care has cleared the toughest hurdle, the ability to pay for it, which correlates strongly with better health outcomes.
To your point the people who travel to America for healthcare are usually ultra rich individuals...it’s not like middle class Canadians come to the US to get the healthcare middle class Americans get.
1232627986983276546
Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) didn't i tell your ass a couple months back that black people will vote for whoever has the best chance to win the nomination? I knew the Biden support wasn't going to last. Only thing holding us up was the older demographic who watch cnn/msnbc and get their orders from them. It took a little time but we finally got them on board.
The Reuters/Ipsos public opinion poll was conducted online, in English, throughout the United States. It gathered responses from 4,439 U.S. adults, including 2,244 who identified as registered Democrats or independents and 446 African Americans. The poll has a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of between 2 and 5 percentage points.
Outlier poll done online. Lol and what’s worse is that the African American who did took part in this were massively under represented.
There is no doubt Bernie has made significant ground on this group though.
The costs of education, housing and health care relative to wages/salary are far higher now than 40 years ago.
Frugality only goes so far when costs rise so much.
The tendency to funnel salaries, even welfare money into higher life maintenance choices is how the gap increases. Supply and demand it seems. People who never get above average income in their lives don't save for retirement, "sacrifice" for the concept of "everything right now", and are willingly funding the lives of millions who have a higher standard of living than their parents had without ever working a single day, and you can apply that at both ends of the income spectrum.
Of course desirable things like education are going to have price increases as the demand increases and wealthier people are willing to pay more. Stop making these people wealthier.. work smarter, save and invest instead of buying that iPhone 11.
Ball Buster
02-26-2020, 06:48 PM
https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1232731905025400832?s=21
More Jimmy Dore shit. How many of you faggots are shilling for this clown?
Ball Buster
02-26-2020, 06:52 PM
More Jimmy Dore shit. How many of you faggots are shilling for this clown?
:lol you’re an idiot, and your hands are gigantic.
Ball Buster
02-26-2020, 07:02 PM
https://twitter.com/msdncnews/status/1232772207367139330?s=21
Winehole23
02-26-2020, 07:15 PM
The tendency to funnel salaries, even welfare money into higher life maintenance choices is how the gap increases. Supply and demand it seems. People who never get above average income in their lives don't save for retirement, "sacrifice" for the concept of "everything right now", and are willingly funding the lives of millions who have a higher standard of living than their parents had without ever working a single day, and you can apply that at both ends of the income spectrum.
Of course desirable things like education are going to have price increases as the demand increases and wealthier people are willing to pay more. Stop making these people wealthier.. work smarter, save and invest instead of buying that iPhone 11.Wouldn't it be simpler and much more effective to invest heavily in the health and education of Americans?
ElNono
02-26-2020, 07:15 PM
All of the house gains were by moderate dems.
The point being that there’s no sure fire formula. Moderates lost too, maybe less than others, but it’s all highly dependent on where you’re running. Happens with republicans too, some of them disavowed Trump early because they felt it hurt them.
Winehole23
02-26-2020, 07:17 PM
College at state universities was free or nearly free for much of the 20th century. Why couldn't it be again?
DarrinS
02-26-2020, 07:19 PM
https://twitter.com/msdncnews/status/1232772207367139330?s=21
:lmao
I know it's satire, but nothing Malcolm Nance says would shock me anymore.
that's why RICH people come to USA from non-industrial countries with weak health care systems, and pay $100Ks CASH for treatment
Poor people in those countries, just like in USA, suffer and die under-treated or not treated, or treated too late.
Longevity in USA states that expanded Medicaid INCREASED while red/slave states that did expand Medicaid let their people suffer and die to spite that knitter Obama
aka, negligent manslaughter by Repug state policy
Will M4A maintain the quality of the care that people spend $100Ks?
hater
02-26-2020, 07:29 PM
:lmao
I know it's satire, but nothing Malcolm Nance says would shock me anymore.
Bernie = Muy bueno
Trump = Naranja estupida
spurraider21
02-26-2020, 07:42 PM
College at state universities was free or nearly free for much of the 20th century. Why couldn't it be again?
making public schools tuition free through 12th grade is just fine
beyond that? RADICAL SOCIALISM
DarrinS
02-26-2020, 09:08 PM
making public schools tuition free through 12th grade is just fine
beyond that? RADICAL SOCIALISM
In Texas, we pay for public schools through property taxes. My property taxes are 12K per year.
I mean, it's free for the students.
spurraider21
02-26-2020, 09:28 PM
In Texas, we pay for public schools through property taxes. My property taxes are 12K per year.
I mean, it's free for the students.
I said tuition free
DarrinS
02-26-2020, 09:29 PM
I said tuition free
What's your point?
spurraider21
02-26-2020, 09:31 PM
What's your point?
making public schools tuition free through 12th grade is just fine
beyond that? RADICAL SOCIALISM
DarrinS
02-26-2020, 09:34 PM
There's no tuition because of massive property taxes. Was that unclear?
hater
02-26-2020, 10:24 PM
https://twitter.com/frankieking335/status/1232862236827246592?s=21
hater
02-26-2020, 10:26 PM
https://twitter.com/rivera_lou/status/1232863365602717698?s=21
Ball Buster
02-26-2020, 10:44 PM
https://twitter.com/frankieking335/status/1232862236827246592?s=21
:lmao The establishment Dems here thinking this guy was the smart choice to beat Trump
hater
02-26-2020, 11:00 PM
:lmao The establishment Dems here thinking this guy was the smart choice to beat Trump
:lmao
the establishment democrats helped Trump become president. they gave him lots of media coverage in the primaries in 2016 because they thought he was the worst candidate ever :lmao
pgardn
02-26-2020, 11:02 PM
In Texas, we pay for public schools through property taxes. My property taxes are 12K per year.I mean, it's free for the students.
pgardn
02-26-2020, 11:11 PM
There's no tuition because of massive property taxes. Was that unclear?
pgardn
02-26-2020, 11:12 PM
There's no tuition because of massive property taxes. Was that unclear?
Its unclear that you understand how your and my massive property taxes came about.
You have zero income tax and the State shifted sales tax, lottery$,... away from education and decided the homeowner is responsible. Thank your red team.
And you whine, tinkle and fall apart like a fragile snowflake.
There was a point in time that I thought you might have been level headed.
Some people can’t afford to pay em so sell your house and live to your standards,
or stop your bitching.
pgardn
02-26-2020, 11:22 PM
Public school in Texas has now transformed itself to socialism because Darrin has decided his property taxes are massive.
When did public school students in Texas K-12 first start going to school on the taxpayers money Darrin?
So we can decide when socialism and communism began in this State?
DarrinS
02-26-2020, 11:24 PM
Its unclear that you understand how your and my massive property taxes came about.
You have zero income tax and the State shifted sales tax, lottery$,... away from education and decided the homeowner is responsible. Thank your red team.
And you whine, tinkle and fall apart like a fragile snowflake.
There was a point in time that I thought you might have been level headed.
Some people can’t afford to pay em so sell your house and live to your standards,
or stop your bitching.
Weird little meltdown. I was just pointing out how free shit isn't free. Someone pays.
pgardn
02-26-2020, 11:33 PM
Weird little meltdown. I was just pointing out how free shit isn't free. Someone pays.
Like people dont understand this?
The idea is the State will benefit it’s citizens with an educated work force.
But what the red team has done is make sure less sales tax, etc... and more homeowner money is the fairer way.
You voted for these guys.
Massive taxes... please.
Sell your house.
pgardn
02-26-2020, 11:46 PM
South Carolina add attacking Biden by Red Team super pac has Obama saying things about Biden that Obama had apparently used in a different setting. (WaPo)
Red team just absolutely paranoid about Biden following the Orange cue.
They really want to put Biden totally out with disinformation.
DarrinS
02-26-2020, 11:51 PM
Like people dont understand this?
The idea is the State will benefit it’s citizens with an educated work force.
But what the red team has done is make sure less sales tax, etc... and more homeowner money is the fairer way.
You voted for these guys.
Massive taxes... please.
Sell your house.
Sell my house?
Lol, "you voted for these guys"
Wtf are you even talking about?
pgardn
02-27-2020, 12:14 AM
Sell my house?
Lol, "you voted for these guys"
Wtf are you even talking about?
Yes.
Massive homeowner taxes. Sell your house and live in a poor dilapidated area so your appraisal is lower.
Red team put it on the homeowners bud, you vote blue in Texas?
You are lost.
Winehole23
02-27-2020, 12:45 AM
Lol Bloomberg as BATMAN
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Lol Bloomberg as BATMAN
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The Flash is more of a Bernie bro. Arrow is voting for Biden.
spurraider21
02-27-2020, 01:04 AM
Weird little meltdown. I was just pointing out how free shit isn't free. Someone pays.
nobody ever said its free. the line has always been tuition free. whether you have 1 kid enrolled or 4, you dont pay a penny more
you might complain about having high property taxes but you also have no state income tax...
DarrinS
02-27-2020, 10:18 AM
Yes.
Massive homeowner taxes. Sell your house and live in a poor dilapidated area so your appraisal is lower.
Red team put it on the homeowners bud, you vote blue in Texas?
You are lost.
You some kind of historian on Texas property tax laws? I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Will Hunting
02-27-2020, 10:33 AM
I think it’s a stretch to blame red team solely for Texas’ high property taxes tbh, it’s also not like Texas is unique in using property taxes to fund public K-12 schools...that’s how pretty much every state in the country funds public schools.
The worst property tax state in the country is California...other states will re-assess your property usually the year after you buy it, California reassesses your property and then sends you a supplemental bill for the difference starting from the date you bought it :lol
boutons_deux
02-27-2020, 10:49 AM
The Dem establishment will steal the nomination from Bernie
They would rather lose to Trash, than win with Bernie
Spurs Homer
02-27-2020, 11:10 AM
The Dem establishment will steal the nomination from Bernie
They would rather lose to Trash, than win with Bernie
yup
hate to agree here- but that is where we are headed
dems get a candidate who inspires young people, first time voters and browns and blacks -
and starts a powerful movement-
and the pussies railroad him for
VANILLA!
here is the difference;
Using prison as analogy-
moderate democrat and independent inmates inside a prison= fight for better food/lighting/treatment
—- they win! Result: still inmates in prison
bernie and his movement= fuck that shit - break the fucking walls down- every last fucking brick
they win = FREEDOM
that is what revolutionaries do
joe biden today: “people dont want a revolution- they want progress!”
what a pussy
biden = “yay - believe in me - we get LESS roaches in our food trays!”
pathetic
florige
02-27-2020, 11:53 AM
The Dem establishment will steal the nomination from Bernie
They would rather lose to Trash, than win with Bernie
If they do then screw that stupid party. You rather have Trump win which will happen is nothing other than stupid.
Trill Clinton
02-27-2020, 12:00 PM
The Dem establishment will steal the nomination from Bernie
They would rather lose to Trash, than win with Bernie
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They're going to try and if they do, it'll be the nail in their coffin.
hater
02-27-2020, 12:06 PM
1232997172574027776
They're going to try and if they do, it'll be the nail in their coffin.
yes
if Bernie wins 80% of the states hes leading and they screw him bye bye Democratic Party
there would be a revolt and a new party would possibly emerge
theres always the heart attack gun.....
spurraider21
02-27-2020, 12:31 PM
i mean... is the argument that the property tax should be repealed and public schools 1-12 should be charging tuition? :lol
and if not, my point is that people seem to be ok with the idea of public education being tuition free (ergo, tax funded)... but somehow the idea of extending that to college as well is radical pie in the sky socialism
DarrinS
02-27-2020, 12:37 PM
i mean... is the argument that the property tax should be repealed and public schools 1-12 should be charging tuition? :lol
Literally, no one made that argument.
spurraider21
02-27-2020, 12:44 PM
Literally, no one made that argument.
thats a relief
DarrinS
02-27-2020, 12:46 PM
i mean... is the argument that the property tax should be repealed and public schools 1-12 should be charging tuition? :lol
and if not, my point is that people seem to be ok with the idea of public education being tuition free (ergo, tax funded)... but somehow the idea of extending that to college as well is radical pie in the sky socialism
Also, 1-12 public schools don't have 1B R&D expenditures. :lol
spurraider21
02-27-2020, 12:48 PM
Also, 1-12 public schools don't have 1B R&D expenditures. :lol
i dont deny that college would be expensive. i find it laughable that people are perfectly ok with publicly funded education without much complaint but once you reach college it becomes crazy unrealistic socialism
DarrinS
02-27-2020, 12:52 PM
i dont deny that college would be expensive. i find it laughable that people are perfectly ok with publicly funded education without much complaint but once you reach college it becomes crazy unrealistic socialism
It's expensive because they have enormous operating costs. They do get a lot of federal money, but not enough to cover everything.
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/03/22/universities-getting-the-most-money-from-the-federal-government/2/
yes
if Bernie wins 80% of the states hes leading and they screw him bye bye Democratic Party
there would be a revolt and a new party would possibly emerge
theres always the heart attack gun.....
the DNC has had its head up its ass for years. they are either out of touch with their base, can't decide who their base is or care more about their corporate sponsorship.
CosmicCowboy
02-27-2020, 01:02 PM
i mean... is the argument that the property tax should be repealed and public schools 1-12 should be charging tuition? :lol
and if not, my point is that people seem to be ok with the idea of public education being tuition free (ergo, tax funded)... but somehow the idea of extending that to college as well is radical pie in the sky socialism
Would you want to include Masters and PHD's?
picnroll
02-27-2020, 01:12 PM
If they do then screw that stupid party. You rather have Trump win which will happen is nothing other than stupid.
So Bernie helps write the convention rule before the 2016 election. Wants to use the rules to challenge Clinton. Now he complains about the rules because it doesn’t work to his advantage. Such integrity.
CosmicCowboy
02-27-2020, 01:17 PM
So Bernie helps write the convention rule before the 2016 election. Wants to use the rules to challenge Clinton. Now he complains about the rules because it doesn’t work to his advantage. Such integrity.
It's going to be entertaining as hell if Bernie shows up with the most delegates but still 50 votes short on the first ballot.
spurraider21
02-27-2020, 01:41 PM
Would you want to include Masters and PHD's?
i dont believe that is part of bernie's plan
Ball Buster
02-27-2020, 02:01 PM
https://twitter.com/clayaiken/status/1232073088164155392?s=21
https://twitter.com/clayaiken/status/1232073088164155392?s=21
Not counting the carcasses of Steyer, Bloomberg and Gabbard there are 4 other candidates that are legit splitting the votes. The fact Bernie won Nevada by almost 50% with as many people running is impressive.
RandomGuy
02-27-2020, 05:51 PM
https://twitter.com/clayaiken/status/1232073088164155392?s=21
2016 had two candidates.
Split votes 6 ways... that isn't all that surprising.
baseline bum
02-27-2020, 05:52 PM
Not counting the carcasses of Steyer, Bloomberg and Gabbard there are 4 other candidates that are legit splitting the votes. The fact Bernie won Nevada by almost 50% with as many people running is impressive.
Two fucking pages of candidates on my primary ballot today.
DarrinS
02-27-2020, 06:18 PM
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spurraider21
02-27-2020, 06:20 PM
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they scared
It's expensive because they have enormous operating costs. They do get a lot of federal money, but not enough to cover everything.
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/03/22/universities-getting-the-most-money-from-the-federal-government/2/
Which universities are we talking about? The UT has the third highest endowment of any university in the country. A&M is #8. For FY ended '16, UT's endowment made $1BB. Let's not act like these schools are bleeding cash. They're not.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=73
I don't think university should be free, but I don't see a compelling reason to not cap tuition rates and not let lenders profit off student debt.
Schools shouldn't be run like large corporations. But they are.
Sell my house?
Lol, "you voted for these guys"
Wtf are you even talking about?
No one ever knows what he's talking about. He longs to be an intellectual but is always on the outside looking in.
i mean... is the argument that the property tax should be repealed and public schools 1-12 should be charging tuition? :lol
and if not, my point is that people seem to be ok with the idea of public education being tuition free (ergo, tax funded)... but somehow the idea of extending that to college as well is radical pie in the sky socialism
Because at some point a person becomes an adult and needs to pay for their own shit.
Why not have grade 13? why have a graduation from HS if college is free? Just have the same institution that taught 1-12 continue 13-17. Where did you go to college? Westlake High.
How about requiring 2 years of military service then you can have your free college?
1233127126888570880
Trumpers reduce to high school trolling.
Spurtacular
02-27-2020, 06:48 PM
Trumpers reduce to high school trolling.
:lol Bernie likes to drown out others.
:lol Where were you when BLM was cucking Sanders?
pgardn
02-27-2020, 06:55 PM
No one ever knows what he's talking about. He longs to be an intellectual but is always on the outside looking in.
And a big fat fingered contradiction steps in.
He knows exactly what I’m talking about, and you might as well if you did not walk into the middle of something you know nothing about.
“I” long to be an intellectual... ? says the head hunter for PHDs in Science. I will never be an intellectual. Your projecting is telling though.
Are you here for laughs or just to make a fool of yourself again? Nature v. Nurture boy...
pgardn
02-27-2020, 07:00 PM
You some kind of historian on Texas property tax laws? I don't think you know what you're talking about.
You tell me when students paid for public school K-12 in Texas. And the burden of taxation for public schools has shifted from the State to homeowners living in a particular school district. Damn, you are an old coot and don’t even know this? Look at how the %s have changed.
DarrinS
02-27-2020, 07:10 PM
You tell me when students paid for public school K-12 in Texas. And the burden of taxation for public schools has shifted from the State to homeowners living in a particular school district. Damn, you are an old coot and don’t even know this? Look at how the %s have changed.
Paveto Bill 1979
He was a Democrat
pgardn
02-27-2020, 07:13 PM
Paveto Bill 1979
He was a Democrat
Bigger shifts came after that in the 1990s when the State capped school tax rates.
pgardn
02-27-2020, 07:15 PM
Much bigger shifts.
pgardn
02-27-2020, 07:18 PM
dp
pgardn
02-27-2020, 07:19 PM
It’s the same crap with the Bexar County hospital taxes.We pay higher rates because the county gets more sick people who can’t pay their medical bills.fck insurance, aye.
boutons_deux
02-27-2020, 08:00 PM
the piling on is well under way and will continue until the Dem convention
No, Not Sanders, Not Ever (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/bernie-sanders.html)
by David Brooks
He is not a liberal,
he’s the end of liberalism.
nytimes
picnroll
02-27-2020, 08:45 PM
the piling on is well under way and will continue until the Dem convention
No, Not Sanders, Not Ever (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/bernie-sanders.html)
by David Brooks
He is not a liberal,
he’s the end of liberalism.
nytimes
Excellent article. :tu
Millennial_Messiah
02-27-2020, 10:47 PM
So is the pill and condoms free under Bernie? it's sure a better idea than paying $250k+ over 18 years plus free tuition after that
And a big fat fingered contradiction steps in.
He knows exactly what I’m talking about, and you might as well if you did not walk into the middle of something you know nothing about.
“I” long to be an intellectual... ? says the head hunter for PHDs in Science. I will never be an intellectual. Your projecting is telling though.
Are you here for laughs or just to make a fool of yourself again? Nature v. Nurture boy...
Keep sniffing the farts of the intellectuals.
Proxy
02-28-2020, 01:11 AM
https://twitter.com/clayaiken/status/1232073088164155392?s=21
it's almost like people try their hardest to find the stupidest takes possible
Proxy
02-28-2020, 01:12 AM
Excellent article. :tu
lol, David Brooks :lmao
Proxy
02-28-2020, 01:17 AM
Because at some point a person becomes an adult and needs to pay for their own shit.
Why not have grade 13? why have a graduation from HS if college is free? Just have the same institution that taught 1-12 continue 13-17. Where did you go to college? Westlake High.
How about requiring 2 years of military service then you can have your free college?
yeah, student debt being higher than credit card debt is totally a sign of people just being downright lazy these days. Definitely not a sign of corruption at the top
2 years military service, lol... Pete wants that
Ball Buster
02-28-2020, 02:58 AM
it's almost like people try their hardest to find the stupidest takes possible
It’s not the 90s anymore. Celebs look dumb when they’re passionate about neo-liberal politicians. Kinda bumming to see bands or actors you like freak out over Trump, then tweet about how great Chuck Schumaker is.
Not saying I like Clay Aiken, that was just a funny tweet.
boutons_deux
02-28-2020, 08:52 AM
If Bernie doesn't win in SC, the destroy-Bernie Dem establishment will bury him as wonderfully dead.
RD2191
02-28-2020, 08:59 AM
If Bernie doesn't win in SC, the destroy-Bernie Dem establishment will bury him as wonderfully dead.
He ain't winning in SC. It's all about super tuesday.
picnroll
02-28-2020, 09:06 AM
If Bernie doesn't win in SC, the destroy-Bernie Dem establishment will bury him as wonderfully dead.
We can only hope.
Bernie isn’t winning in the second round. Hopefully Biden can pull it off and maybe pick Warren to hopefully appease the bros enough to vote who otherwise will cry, stay home and let Trump win
baseline bum
02-28-2020, 09:14 AM
We can only hope.
Bernie isn’t winning in the second round. Hopefully Biden can pull it off and maybe pick Warren to hopefully appease the bros enough to vote who otherwise will cry, stay home and let Trump win
You think Bernie is the reason Clinton lost?
picnroll
02-28-2020, 09:45 AM
You think Bernie is the reason Clinton lost?
Don’t give a shit. Bernie isn’t winning in spite of bro fantasies and he’d take the house and senate down with him.
hater
02-28-2020, 09:53 AM
Don’t give a shit. Bernie isn’t winning in spite of bro fantasies and he’d take the house and senate down with him.
you keep parroting the same baseless claim that Bernie has no chance vs Trump. when he has most of the minority vote and leads on most polls head to head vs Trump
its a sad position to be tbqh
picnroll
02-28-2020, 09:58 AM
Sure seems a whole lot of Reps and senators are distancing themselves from Sanders. What do you know that they don’t? Pretty sure they have their ears a lot closer to the ground than you do.
hater
02-28-2020, 10:09 AM
Sure seems a whole lot of Reps and senators are distancing themselves from Sanders. What do you know that they don’t? Pretty sure they have their ears a lot closer to the ground than you do.
:lmao u rely on them? when in 2016 they supported Trump in primaries and were 100% sure Hillary would win? :lmao
your terrible takes in Sanders make a lot of sense now :lol
picnroll
02-28-2020, 10:13 AM
:lmao u rely on them? when in 2016 they supported Trump in primaries and were 100% sure Hillary would win? :lmao
your terrible takes in Sanders make a lot of sense now :lol
You still have that $1000?
picnroll
02-28-2020, 10:17 AM
Republican congressmen did the same thing with Trump in 2016, until he won. Now they’re deepthroating his cock every day.
Yeah, and look where that got them in 2018.
baseline bum
02-28-2020, 10:22 AM
Don’t give a shit. Bernie isn’t winning in spite of bro fantasies and he’d take the house and senate down with him.
You're already making an excuse for Biden losing.
picnroll
02-28-2020, 10:26 AM
You're already making an excuse for Biden losing.
Biden’s no guarantee and far from the ideal candidate (I don’t think Dems have one) but in my book Sanders is a guaranteed loss and guaranteed to cause the Dems to not get the senate and to lose the house. Country can’t afford four more years of Dump, especially with nothing in congress to put up even a little resistance. You have your opinion and I have mine.
baseline bum
02-28-2020, 10:29 AM
Biden’s no guarantee and far from the ideal candidate (I don’t think Dems have one) but in my book Sanders is a guaranteed loss and guaranteed to cause the Dems to not get the senate and to lose the house. Country can’t afford four more years of Dump, especially with nothing in congress to put up even a little resistance. You have your opinion and I have mine.
I don't get your taking down the house and senate with him complaints about Bernie. If Biden gets the nomination and loses he's taking the house and senate down with him too.
picnroll
02-28-2020, 10:35 AM
I don't get your taking down the house and senate with him complaints about Bernie. If Biden gets the nomination and loses he's taking the house and senate down with him too.
New reps that got elected in 2018 are not in states that will support a socialist presidential candidate. Reps won’t be able to distance themselves and turnout won’t be enough to keep them in office in my opinion. Don’t worry though AOC will win and keep making noise.
Spurs Homer
02-28-2020, 11:14 AM
New reps that got elected in 2018 are not in states that will support a socialist presidential candidate. Reps won’t be able to distance themselves and turnout won’t be enough to keep them in office in my opinion. Don’t worry though AOC will win and keep making noise.
those reps need to learn how to fucking LEAD
instead of acting like republicans who shrugged their shoulders and say “yeah we know trump is a fucking criminal but our constituents like it when he hugs the flag”
instead of acting like pussies - those reps need to get out to their voters and say
”stop reacting to the word - socialism- and understand the rich get richer by - socialism for the rich- while the rest get screwed- bernie is just helping the poor and middle class instead of the rich”
then go out and sell what being a real Democrat is.
picnroll
02-28-2020, 11:21 AM
those reps need to learn how to fucking LEAD
instead of acting like republicans who shrugged their shoulders and say “yeah we know trump is a fucking criminal but our constituents like it when he hugs the flag”
instead of acting like pussies - those reps need to get out to their voters and say
”stop reacting to the word - socialism- and understand the rich get richer by - socialism for the rich- while the rest get screwed- bernie is just helping the poor and middle class instead of the rich”
then go out and sell what being a real Democrat is.
Sounds like a great idea. Maybe they can send them to re-education camps like the Chinese do.Get their minds right.
florige
02-28-2020, 11:50 AM
Republican congressmen did the same thing with Trump in 2016, until he won. Now they’re deepthroating his cock every day.
FuzzyLumpkins
02-28-2020, 12:07 PM
Don’t give a shit. Bernie isn’t winning in spite of bro fantasies and he’d take the house and senate down with him.
Given the odds, your certainty makes you look stupid.
RandomGuy
02-28-2020, 02:30 PM
He ain't winning in SC. It's all about super tuesday.
Election Update: What Our Forecast Says About Every Super Tuesday State
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-what-our-forecast-says-about-every-super-tuesday-state/
It will lock him in as the front runner. There will be a lot of pressure on others to drop out at that point.
RandomGuy
02-28-2020, 02:34 PM
Yeah, and look where that got them in 2018.
Be interesting to see what the midterms in 2022 look like. The clock is not going to favor the old white men party, but Sanders might actually be the change that many thought Trump would be.
DarrinS
02-28-2020, 03:13 PM
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02-28-2020, 03:21 PM
you keep parroting the same baseless claim that Bernie has no chance vs Trump. when he has most of the minority vote and leads on most polls head to head vs Trump
its a sad position to be tbqh
But, the hot-to-trot black voter will not come out for Bernie, nor Trump & that's fine for Trump. He doesn't need a portion, just a taste.
the piling on is well under way and will continue until the Dem convention
No, Not Sanders, Not Ever (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/bernie-sanders.html)
by David Brooks
He is not a liberal,
he’s the end of liberalism.
nytimes
Populists like Sanders speak as if the whole system is irredeemably corrupt. Sanders was a useless House member and has been a marginal senator because he doesn’t operate within this system or believe in this theory of change.
He believes in revolutionary mass mobilization and, once an election has been won, rule by majoritarian domination. This is how populists of left and right are ruling all over the world, and it is exactly what our founders feared most and tried hard to prevent.
As president, Bernie will:
Share Corporate Wealth with Workers. Under this plan, corporations with at least $100 million in annual revenue, corporations with at least $100 million in balance sheet total, and all publicly traded companies will be required to provide at least 2 percent of stock to their workers every year until the company is at least 20 percent owned by employees. This will be done through the issuing of new shares and the establishment of Democratic Employee Ownership Funds.
Guarantee a Right of First Refusal. Under this plan, workers will be given the right to buy a company when it goes up for sale, is closing, or if a factory is moving overseas and will receive financial assistance from the U.S. Employee Ownership Bank to make that possible.
Expand the authority of the FTC to allow it to impose administrative fines on companies and halt mergers without challenging them in federal court.
Ban mandatory arbitration clauses.
Ban non-compete clauses.
Ban unilateral modification clauses.
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 04:10 PM
Non-competes should be banned for employees making below a certain amount. You shouldn’t be able to impose a non-compete on someone with no experience who’s making 5 figures in annual salary.
spurraider21
02-28-2020, 04:12 PM
Election Update: What Our Forecast Says About Every Super Tuesday State
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-what-our-forecast-says-about-every-super-tuesday-state/
It will lock him in as the front runner. There will be a lot of pressure on others to drop out at that point.
or pressure by the party for them to stay in and continue trying to dilute the vote to prevent a majority.... you think klobuchar is still in at this point for any other reason than to win minnesota?
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 04:12 PM
The part with mandatory stock gifts to employees is retarded though but the chances of that ever making it through Congress is less than zero.
spurraider21
02-28-2020, 04:13 PM
Non-competes should be banned for employees making below a certain amount. You shouldn’t be able to impose a non-compete on someone with no experience who’s making 5 figures in annual salary.
mandatory arbitration is also bullshit for non exempt employees, imo
SnakeBoy
02-28-2020, 04:21 PM
Biden on the verge of taking over this race I heard (on MSNBC so it's true)
spurraider21
02-28-2020, 04:24 PM
one can only imagine how much south carolina results are going to be played up
mandatory arbitration is also bullshit for non exempt employees, imo
Non-competes should be banned for employees making below a certain amount. You shouldn’t be able to impose a non-compete on someone with no experience who’s making 5 figures in annual salary.
Would be great if that's what the ole comrade was proposing. But it ain't.
I get that some of his platform is to start a conversation. But what's the point of this shit? There's no conversation about the merits of banning arbitration clauses. And there's 0 chance it would ever survive any legal challenge. So what's the point? To show how fucking stupid Bernie is?
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 04:50 PM
Would be great if that's what the ole comrade was proposing. But it ain't.
I get that some of his platform is to start a conversation. But what's the point of this shit? There's no conversation about the merits of banning arbitration clauses. And there's 0 chance it would ever survive any legal challenge. So what's the point? To show how fucking stupid Bernie is?
Even if he were to wipe out non-competes completely it wouldn’t bother me assuming non-solicits are still legal. There’s already a fair amount of states where non-competes are unenforceable (as you know Texas was one until very recently and somehow the business community managed to not fall apart) and they do just fine.
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 05:01 PM
mandatory arbitration is also bullshit for non exempt employees, imo
Yeah that’s another one where I’m not overly concerned with helping employers preserve their ability to force employees into arbitration exempt or non-exempt. If I’m making a list of things that make America a great country giving employers’ the ability to play fast and loose with employment laws and treat their employees like shit because the worst case scenario is a confidential arbitration hearing with an employer-friendly arbitrator isn’t on the list.
Even if he were to wipe out non-competes completely it wouldn’t bother me assuming non-solicits are still legal. There’s already a fair amount of states where non-competes are unenforceable (as you know Texas was one until very recently and somehow the business community managed to not fall apart) and they do just fine.
Huh? I don't think Texas ever outright banned non-competition agreements, but I know that the Weatherford case from the 60's held that they were enforceable so long as their restrictions were reasonable. It's true that historically they were not favored (they're still not), but the trend has been to relax restrictions on them. So I don't know what you mean by Texas only recently allowing non-competition agreements.
I think you're concerned about the insurance salesman who wants to go out on his own after working at another's agency. That's fine. But every day, I see suits filed by employers against their former employees who've taken the companies IP and ran. At least some of those suits are legitimate. And they'd be swept up too.
Yeah that’s another one where I’m not overly concerned with helping employers preserve their ability to force employees into arbitration exempt or non-exempt. If I’m making a list of things that make America a great country giving employers’ the ability to play fast and loose with employment laws and treat their employees like shit because the worst case scenario is a confidential arbitration hearing with an employer-friendly arbitrator isn’t on the list.
Do you have problems with mandatory arbitration clauses in the AIA form contract? Or a JOA?
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 05:20 PM
Huh? I don't think Texas ever outright banned non-competition agreements, but I know that the Weatherford case from the 60's held that they were enforceable so long as their restrictions were reasonable. It's true that historically they were not favored (they're still not), but the trend has been to relax restrictions on them. So I don't know what you mean by Texas only recently allowing non-competition agreements.
I think you're concerned about the insurance salesman who wants to go out on his own after working at another's agency. That's fine. But every day, I see suits filed by employers against their former employees who've taken the companies IP and ran. At least some of those suits are legitimate. And they'd be swept up too.
Didn’t the TCPA effectively make non-competes unenforceable before its amendment? I could be mistaken but lawyers I know said it did.
Maybe we’re just talking past each other, but the employee who takes his companies’ IP and runs is in breach of a lot more other than just a non-compete (ie misappropriation of trade secrets), so there’d be legal recourse by the employer even if the non-compete went away. The term non-compete imo means an employee is forbidden from doing anything that would compete with his old company even if he’s not stealing any trade secrets along the way.
Didn’t the TCPA effectively make non-competes unenforceable before its amendment? I could be mistaken but lawyers I know said it did.
Not at all. There was a circuit split between the Dallas and Houston court's of appeal on whether the TCPA even applied to a non-compete. And the recent statutory amendments explicitly exempt non-competes. You have it backwards.
Maybe we’re just talking past each other, but the employee who takes his companies’ IP and runs is in breach of a lot more other than just a non-compete (ie misappropriation of trade secrets), so there’d be legal recourse by the employer even if the non-compete went away. The term non-compete imo means an employee is forbidden from doing anything that would compete with his old company even if he’s not stealing any trade secrets along the way.
You're 100% right, but in a lot of instances it's hard and expensive to show there's been a violation of a confidentiality agreement, assuming one exists. These days, you need a forensic analysis of the employees computer/phone/etc... to really get your foot in the door. The Texas trade secret act has a fee-shifting provision that disincentives people from filing suit.
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 05:29 PM
Do you have problems with mandatory arbitration clauses in the AIA form contract? Or a JOA?
My one experience with arbitration was an arbitrator who allowed for the same amount of discovery and depositions as a normal court hearing would and also freely gave out extensions the way a district court does, point being it wasn’t any more efficient or speedy than an ordinary trial would be, only difference is the parties paid a shit ton in arbitration fees. Maybe that’s a jaded view but what I’m saying is I don’t see the advantage of arbitration at all in any scenario.
My one experience with arbitration was an arbitrator who allowed for the same amount of discovery and depositions as a normal court hearing would and also freely gave out extensions the way a district court does, point being it wasn’t any more efficient or speedy than an ordinary trial would be, only difference is the parties paid a shit ton in arbitration fees. Maybe that’s a jaded view but what I’m saying is I don’t see the advantage of arbitration at all in any scenario.
I fucking hate arbitration for many of the same reasons. But I fail to see why that's sufficient reason to ban it. There's a lot of utility to some parties who like the confidentiality of proceedings, to an arbitrator vs. 12 jurors, etc...
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 05:33 PM
Not at all. There was a circuit split between the Dallas and Houston court's of appeal on whether the TCPA even applied to a non-compete. And the recent statutory amendments explicitly exempt non-competes. You have it backwards.
You're 100% right, but in a lot of instances it's hard and expensive to show there's been a violation of a confidentiality agreement, assuming one exists. These days, you need a forensic analysis of the employees computer/phone/etc... to really get your foot in the door. The Texas trade secret act has a fee-shifting provision that disincentives people from filing suit.
Didn’t have it backwards as I knew the amendment expressly exempted non-competes and I thought it did so because of how easy it was for former employees to use the TCPA to get out of a noncompete suit before the amendment. Maybe not though.
Its also just ny opinion but if you sue a former employee for trade secret misappropriation and don’t prevail, I think paying the former employees fees is a pretty equitable result. If you don’t want to risk having to pay his fees then the IP he allegedly stole isn’t worth that much to you.
hater
02-28-2020, 05:35 PM
or pressure by the party for them to stay in and continue trying to dilute the vote to prevent a majority.... you think klobuchar is still in at this point for any other reason than to win minnesota?
they will run out of money
they will have no choice
Its also just ny opinion but if you sue a former employee for trade secret misappropriation and don’t prevail, I think paying the former employees fees is a pretty equitable result. If you don’t want to risk having to pay his fees then the IP he allegedly stole isn’t worth that much to you.
Totally fair, and reasonable minds can differ on this. But that's the point - banning non-competition agreements is ridiculous in its harshness.
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 05:36 PM
I fucking hate arbitration for many of the same reasons. But I fail to see why that's sufficient reason to ban it. There's a lot of utility to some parties who like the confidentiality of proceedings, to an arbitrator vs. 12 jurors, etc...
Well to be clear I didn’t say it should go to a jury instead, is Sanders also saying he’d ban jury trial waiver provisions too or is it just arbitration? If so then I vehemently disagree, juries are fucking retards :lol
Regarding confidentiality, if both parties want it then by all means agree to arbitration. Doesn’t seem like Bernie is saying do away with arbitration completely, just saying he’d ban binding arbitration provisions.
Well to be clear I didn’t say it should go to a jury instead, is Sanders also saying he’d ban jury trial waiver provisions too or is it just arbitration? If so then I vehemently disagree, juries are fucking retards :lol
His website doesn't say anything about jury waivers, but banning arbitration clauses accomplishes the same thing.
Regarding confidentiality, if both parties want it then by all means agree to arbitration. Doesn’t seem like Bernie is saying do away with arbitration completely, just saying he’d ban binding arbitration provisions.
Maybe I'm being too much of a stickler and the section discussing these platform items does discuss them vis-a-vis employees, but none of the platform items say that they are limited to employment contracts alone. There are also mentions of suppliers and executives in the section, so I'm assuming the worst here.
We're getting too far in the weeds. My point is, regardless of your thoughts on David Brooks, his article is at least somewhat substantiated by words straight outta Bernie's mouth
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 05:56 PM
His website doesn't say anything about jury waivers, but banning arbitration clauses accomplishes the same thing.
Not really, you’d just have a non-jury trial the judge decides on...
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 05:57 PM
I also just don’t see what’s wrong with giving employees a ROFR on a business they work for being bought. If they can match an offer and provide the same economics, what’s the harm?
Not really, you’d just have a non-jury trial the judge decides on...
Is there a substantive difference between having a bench trial vs. an arbitration?
I also just don’t see what’s wrong with giving employees a ROFR on a business they work for being bought. If they can match an offer and provide the same economics, what’s the harm?
Because it deprives the seller of its choice in who it can contract with?
There's nothing preventing employees from putting their money together and buying a business now.
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 06:04 PM
Is there a substantive difference between having a bench trial vs. an arbitration?
Bench trials don’t have arbitration fees
Bench trials are appealable
Bench trials have judges who can make impartial rulings without being worried about getting “future business” from one side or the other (you and I both know that happens really often in arbitration :lol)
Judges don’t have the leeway to ignore applicable law
Bench trials don’t have arbitration fees
Bench trials are appealable
Bench trials have judges who can make impartial rulings without being worried about getting “future business” from one side or the other (you and I both know that happens really often in arbitration :lol)
Judges don’t have the leeway to ignore applicable law
Agree on the first two, to an extent. Ad hoc arbitration and non-binding arbitration exist. You are gonna pay for it though, but if the parties want to do so, who cares?
Disagree on the last two (state court judges are elected officials and holy shit you should see some of the crap they do).
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 06:20 PM
Agree on the first two, to an extent. Ad hoc arbitration and non-binding arbitration exist. You are gonna pay for it though, but if the parties want to do so, who cares?
Disagree on the last two (state court judges are elected officials and holy shit you should see some of the crap they do).
Yeah judges do plenty of dumb shit all the time (if it were up to me every state would function like Delaware courts do where the judges all have IQs that are at least above room temperature, of all the litigation my last company was involved with the one lawsuit that was managed by the court with at least some modicum of efficiency was the lawsuit in Delaware Chancery Court), but the theme with arbitrators is that they favor employer vs. employee because employer is the one paying arbitrator costs and the arbitrator knows that having a good relationship with the employers’ lawyers will have more career benefits than a relationship with the contingency fee EEOC lawyer will.
Judges also might ignore the law but they’re not supposed to and getting overturned on appeal at least scares them into having some semblance of accountability. Arbitrators write some of the sloppiest and half assed opinions I’ve ever seen because they know they have final say.
Yeah judges do plenty of dumb shit all the time (if it were up to me every state would function like Delaware courts do where the judges all have IQs that are at least above room temperature, of all the litigation my last company was involved with the one lawsuit that was managed by the court with at least some modicum of efficiency was the lawsuit in Delaware Chancery Court), but the theme with arbitrators is that they favor employer vs. employee because employer is the one paying arbitrator costs and the arbitrator knows that having a good relationship with the employers’ lawyers will have more career benefits than a relationship with the contingency fee EEOC lawyer will.
So we're talking past each other (to a degree). I'm less concerned about situations where there's a disparity in bargaining power. I still disagree, but I can see the logic behind what you're saying. I'm more concerned about what I see on a regular basis - two corporations consent to an arbitration clause in their contract, an operator and non-working interest owners consent to arbitration in their JOA. an architect and project owner agree to the form arbitration clause in the AIA contract. I suspect you have less of a problem with this. And Bernie might too. But that's not what his website says and I'm going off what is written there: ban mandatory arbitration clauses.
And yeah, I'd love to have judges be like the ones on the chancery court, but that is probably the most prestigious state court in the country; I'd argue that its on par with SDNY or CD Cal. But that's just not realistic for the rest of the country. Rather, you have something that's way more pernicious - which is incredibly rich lawyers financing judge's campaigns. Do you think you're getting a fair shake in those courts?
Judges also might ignore the law but they’re not supposed to and getting overturned on appeal at least scares them into having some semblance of accountability. Arbitrators write some of the sloppiest and half assed opinions I’ve ever seen because they know they have final say.
I used to work with a former state court judge. His stories were eye-opening. Reversal is just part of the job. Mandamus is slightly more personal because of the abuse of discretion standard. But judges are far less concerned with applying the law and far more concerned with doing equity. That's how they get re-elected.
RandomGuy
02-28-2020, 06:42 PM
Is there a substantive difference between having a bench trial vs. an arbitration?
Not that I have noticed. (minor part of my job is reviewing lawsuits/arbitration relating to insurance claims)
RandomGuy
02-28-2020, 06:43 PM
Yeah judges do plenty of dumb shit all the time (if it were up to me every state would function like Delaware courts do where the judges all have IQs that are at least above room temperature, of all the litigation my last company was involved with the one lawsuit that was managed by the court with at least some modicum of efficiency was the lawsuit in Delaware Chancery Court), but the theme with arbitrators is that they favor employer vs. employee because employer is the one paying arbitrator costs and the arbitrator knows that having a good relationship with the employers’ lawyers will have more career benefits than a relationship with the contingency fee EEOC lawyer will.
Judges also might ignore the law but they’re not supposed to and getting overturned on appeal at least scares them into having some semblance of accountability. Arbitrators write some of the sloppiest and half assed opinions I’ve ever seen because they know they have final say.
Interesting insight.
baseline bum
02-28-2020, 06:52 PM
Biden on the verge of taking over this race I heard (on MSNBC so it's true)
Pouring out my 40 for Elena, :cry a Democrat that Republicans could believe in :cry
SnakeBoy
02-28-2020, 06:56 PM
Pouring out my 40 for Elena, :cry a Democrat that Republicans could believe in :cry
It's so sad. She stood in a fucking blizzard for Murica and this is how ya'll treat her!
Ima vote for Trump just to spite you mofo's
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 06:59 PM
So we're talking past each other (to a degree). I'm less concerned about situations where there's a disparity in bargaining power. I still disagree, but I can see the logic behind what you're saying. I'm more concerned about what I see on a regular basis - two corporations consent to an arbitration clause in their contract, an operator and non-working interest owners consent to arbitration in their JOA. an architect and project owner agree to the form arbitration clause in the AIA contract. I suspect you have less of a problem with this. And Bernie might too. But that's not what his website says and I'm going off what is written there: ban mandatory arbitration clauses.
And yeah, I'd love to have judges be like the ones on the chancery court, but that is probably the most prestigious state court in the country; I'd argue that its on par with SDNY or CD Cal. But that's just not realistic for the rest of the country. Rather, you have something that's way more pernicious - which is incredibly rich lawyers financing judge's campaigns. Do you think you're getting a fair shake in those courts?
I used to work with a former state court judge. His stories were eye-opening. Reversal is just part of the job. Mandamus is slightly more personal because of the abuse of discretion standard. But judges are far less concerned with applying the law and far more concerned with doing equity. That's how they get re-elected.
Yeah I have no problem with two corporations agreeing to arbitration. I know his campaign website is more broad but I doubt Bernie does either.
Regarding getting a fair shake - my former boss committed vritually every form of securities fraud and breach of fiduciary duty that exists under Delaware law and his investors sued him with a bunch of Jew lawyers who make north of $1000 / hour, and even after the Vice Chancellor clearly saw how dead to rights he was, he went out of his way to ensure the was getting a fair shake, to the point where I even thought it was ridiculous. At least in that case he was doing everything he could to show impartiality in order to avoid getting appealed.
spurraider21
02-28-2020, 07:00 PM
Pouring out my 40 for Elena, :cry a Democrat that Republicans could believe in :cry
damn, i thought this meant she suspended her campaign :lol...
spurraider21
02-28-2020, 07:03 PM
i didnt see anything about bernie wanting to abolish arbitration, just that that you cant have mandatory arbitration in agreements. nothing could prevent the parties from later deciding to arbitrate, if they want to a faster ruling/disposition with less drawn-out discovery... and provided they can agree how to split the fee. but mandatory arb agreements between employer/employee suck tbh, though i draft them all the time :lol
DarrinS
02-28-2020, 07:03 PM
Steyer in third in SC?
Must be people hoping for that reparations check. :lol
Will Hunting
02-28-2020, 07:05 PM
Tbh tho vy65 if I could do my career all over again I’d be a Delaware lawyer. Those guys have it made. There aren’t very many good ones and the ones who are good can have a low overhead legal practice because any huge case they manage is going to involve a firm like Kirkland doing all the heavy lifting and they get all the business from national firms that need a Delaware firm to just appear :lol
Spurs Homer
02-28-2020, 07:36 PM
oh - sorry -
I thought this was a bernie thread
SnakeBoy
02-28-2020, 09:34 PM
MSN Breaking: In a poll of Democrats Bernie won the debate but most Democrats didn't watch so it doesn't matter
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-sanders-got-highest-marks-for-debate-performance-but-most-democrats-didnt-watch/ar-BB10ws2T
ElNono
02-29-2020, 02:37 AM
So we're talking past each other (to a degree). I'm less concerned about situations where there's a disparity in bargaining power. I still disagree, but I can see the logic behind what you're saying. I'm more concerned about what I see on a regular basis - two corporations consent to an arbitration clause in their contract, an operator and non-working interest owners consent to arbitration in their JOA. an architect and project owner agree to the form arbitration clause in the AIA contract. I suspect you have less of a problem with this. And Bernie might too. But that's not what his website says and I'm going off what is written there: ban mandatory arbitration clauses.
Seems there's a disconnect here. If both sides agree to an arbitration clause, then it's not mandatory?
What I think about mandatory is when one side wants to shove an arbitration clause on an existing contract that doesn't have one. ie: phone company changes terms and you have to agree to an arbitration clause or flat out stop doing business with them, despite the latter being burdensome to you.
Or that you must agree to an arbitration clause in order to obtain employment, etc.
ElNono
02-29-2020, 02:41 AM
I completely dislike arbitration. I feel it's cheating our due process. You should have the option to appeal, and you shouldn't be forced to relinquish that. It's one of the most basic checks and balances on the judiciary.
Seems there's a disconnect here. If both sides agree to an arbitration clause, then it's not mandatory?
What I think about mandatory is when one side wants to shove an arbitration clause on an existing contract that doesn't have one. ie: phone company changes terms and you have to agree to an arbitration clause or flat out stop doing business with them, despite the latter being burdensome to you.
Or that you must agree to an arbitration clause in order to obtain employment, etc.
I read mandatory to be “binding.” The website doesn’t say ban arbitration clauses in contracts of adhesion, which is the phone example you give
ElNono
02-29-2020, 02:57 PM
I read mandatory to be “binding.” The website doesn’t say ban arbitration clauses in contracts of adhesion, which is the phone example you give
I haven't looked at the website, but it's politics. The fact that's not clear is probably by design :lol
But nevertheless, I do feel that contracts that cannot be entered on unless one agrees to arbitration, and especially on cases where individual consumers don't have the leverage to negotiate that, would be the ideal target here.
Between forced arbitration and the relatively new practice of barring class action claims, I feel the field is tilted. I get that companies want to limit both their liability and legal expenses, but consumers end up being the suckers here.
boutons_deux
02-29-2020, 04:10 PM
CNN aligning with NBC/Lack's dictating even to MSNBC to resist Bernie
Smerconish says Bernie's rise is like covid-19 disease
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/29/cnn-host-michael-smerconish-rebuked-comparing-sanders-surge-spread-coronavirus?cd-origin=rss&utm_term=AO&utm_campaign=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_content=email&utm_source=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/29/cnn-host-michael-smerconish-rebuked-comparing-sanders-surge-spread-coronavirus?cd-origin=rss&utm_term=AO&utm_campaign=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_content=email&utm_source=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email)
Millennial_Messiah
02-29-2020, 08:09 PM
Definitely a major setback for Bernie tonight.
picnroll
02-29-2020, 08:11 PM
Putin needs to up his game.
Putin needs to up his game.
Trump is also like 0 and forever. (Shout out to trend setter Thread) How many times has he told republican voters to vote for x candidate just to fall on his face?
Alabama, Pennsylvania, Virginia, NH, SC etc. His own voters ignore him. :lol
Definitely a major setback for Bernie tonight.
Biden looking to be within 10 delegates after tonight.
Spurtacular
02-29-2020, 10:09 PM
Biden looking to be within 10 delegates after tonight.
Exciting development, amirite?
Exciting development, amirite?
For you, for sure.
I'm just in it for entertainment. I have always held the believe that Biden and Bernie are the only true contenders in this race that can actually win against Trump. It's true.
Spurtacular
02-29-2020, 10:17 PM
For you, for sure.
I'm just in it for entertainment. I have always held the believe that Biden and Bernie are the only true contenders in this race that can actually win against Trump. It's true.
:lol You're already hedging against a Bernie nomination.
:lol You're already hedging against a Bernie nomination.
Since I'm your number 1 obessesion you should know that has been my view from the start.
Spurtacular
02-29-2020, 10:21 PM
Since I'm your number 1 obessesion you should know that has been my view from the start.
Gonna be funny that you'll be a closet Trump supporter once Commie Cuck wins the nomination. :lol
Gonna be funny that you'll be a closet Trump supporter once Commie Cuck wins the nomination. :lol
Would rather slit my throat than vote for Trump under any circustances. I've known Trump for longer than most so I already knew he was scum before 2015. Ya'll just discovered something every New Yorker already knew.
DarrinS
02-29-2020, 10:29 PM
Would rather slit my throat than vote for Trump under any circustances. I've known Trump for longer than most so I already knew he was scum before 2015. Ya'll just discovered something every New Yorker already knew.
That's some epic TDS
Lol, "I've known Trump for longer than most"
That's some epic TDS
Lol, "I've known Trump for longer than most"
How is that weird? It's like saying most people know what a douchebag x is because he's from here and often on the news for being a mega douchebag. Not that hard to grasp, Darrin
Spurtacular
02-29-2020, 10:33 PM
Would rather slit my throat than vote for Trump under any circustances. I've known Trump for longer than most so I already knew he was scum before 2015. Ya'll just discovered something every New Yorker already knew.
So you'll take communism for the sake of upholding a grudge?
Spurtacular
02-29-2020, 10:35 PM
How is that weird? It's like saying most people know what a douchebag x is because he's from here and often on the news for being a mega douchebag. Not that hard to grasp, Darrin
Trump was not an unknown by any means. You acting like you had some great inside scoop was a fun little outburst. :lol
SnakeBoy
02-29-2020, 10:50 PM
Biden looking to be within 10 delegates after tonight.
I heard Biden is front runner now whether he's ahead on delegates or not.
At this point there is hardly any serious evidence to believe that the best strategy to defeat Trump is to mobilize voters with a radical economic agenda. Public satisfaction with the economy is now at its highest point since the peak of the dot-com boom two decades ago. Trump has serious weaknesses of issues like health care, corruption, taxes, and the environment, and a majority of the public disapproves of Trump’s performance, but he does enjoy broad approval of his economic management. Therefore, his reelection strategy revolves around painting his opponents as radical and dangerous. You may not like me, he will argue, but my opponents are going to turn over the apple cart. A Sanders campaign seems almost designed to play directly into Trump’s message.
Whatever evidence might have supported a Sanders-esque populist strategy for Democrats after the 2016 election, it has since collapsed. But in the ideological hothouse of the Sanders world, no setbacks have been acknowledged, no rethinking has taken place, and the skeptics are dismissed as elitist neoliberal corporate shills, as ever. The project moves forward even as the key tests of its viability have all failed. Once enough energy has been invested in a cause, it has too much momentum to be abandoned. For the socialist left, which has no other standard-bearer to choose from, Bernie is too big to fail. The question is whether the Democratic Party, the only political force standing between Donald Trump and his authoritarian ambitions, will risk failing with him.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/01/bernie-sanders-electable-trump-2020-nomination-popular-socialism.html
Spurtacular
02-29-2020, 11:10 PM
Public satisfaction with the economy is now at its highest point since the peak of the dot-com boom two decades ago. :cry (But) Trump has bla bla bla
If only the great unwashed was as triggered as you, amirite? :lmao
ElNono
02-29-2020, 11:31 PM
At this point there is hardly any serious evidence to believe that the best strategy to defeat Trump is to mobilize voters with a radical economic agenda. Public satisfaction with the economy is now at its highest point since the peak of the dot-com boom two decades ago. Trump has serious weaknesses of issues like health care, corruption, taxes, and the environment, and a majority of the public disapproves of Trump’s performance, but he does enjoy broad approval of his economic management. Therefore, his reelection strategy revolves around painting his opponents as radical and dangerous. You may not like me, he will argue, but my opponents are going to turn over the apple cart. A Sanders campaign seems almost designed to play directly into Trump’s message.
Whatever evidence might have supported a Sanders-esque populist strategy for Democrats after the 2016 election, it has since collapsed. But in the ideological hothouse of the Sanders world, no setbacks have been acknowledged, no rethinking has taken place, and the skeptics are dismissed as elitist neoliberal corporate shills, as ever. The project moves forward even as the key tests of its viability have all failed. Once enough energy has been invested in a cause, it has too much momentum to be abandoned. For the socialist left, which has no other standard-bearer to choose from, Bernie is too big to fail. The question is whether the Democratic Party, the only political force standing between Donald Trump and his authoritarian ambitions, will risk failing with him.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/01/bernie-sanders-electable-trump-2020-nomination-popular-socialism.html
It's like, because Trump is easy pickings, the Dems didn't seem to take this election seriously, or maybe they just have a shitty field. You knew Bernie would run even though he normally would be unelectable, we didn't know if Shillary would again, apparently not, and then every other candidate that has given it a shot is deeply flawed one way or another.
The more you get to know them, the less you like them (IMO anyways).
And if we're being honest here, the economy was already in fairly great shape at the end of the previous administration (note because I know it's coming: this is not to discredit Trump, it goes to the point that follows), and yet the country still voted in an ignorant amateur and seemingly wanted to see the world burn.
So I'm not really sold about these arguments entirely at this day and age. I get that the economy is frequently a very good indicator, but we also need to acknowledge that what we thought were sure-fire indicators are less so nowadays.
It's like, because Trump is easy pickings, the Dems didn't seem to take this election seriously, or maybe they just have a shitty field. You knew Bernie would run even though he normally would be unelectable, we didn't know if Shillary would again, apparently not, and then every other candidate that has given it a shot is deeply flawed one way or another.
The more you get to know them, the less you like them (IMO anyways).
And if we're being honest here, the economy was already in fairly great shape at the end of the previous administration (note because I know it's coming: this is not to discredit Trump, it goes to the point that follows), and yet the country still voted in an ignorant amateur and seemingly wanted to see the world burn.
So I'm not really sold about these arguments entirely at this day and age. I get that the economy is frequently a very good indicator, but we also need to acknowledge that what we thought were sure-fire indicators are less so nowadays.
This argument is frequently made to support an even more extreme ideology on the left side. That apparently didn’t work so well in the mid terms, as the article points out.
ElNono
03-01-2020, 01:03 AM
This argument is frequently made to support an even more extreme ideology on the left side. That apparently didn’t work so well in the mid terms, as the article points out.
Mid terms are a completely different ballgame, because you don't need everybody to align to the same person. If anything, this is comparable to Shillary '16. It's much more about the cult of personality and basically a popularity contest.
That's why you end up hearing terms for 'electability', which has much less to do with policy (Trump had none that could be taken seriously), but how that person can drive people to vote.
And let's not overlook that while moderates might've won seats in the mid terms, some of the more lefties also removed incumbent centrist democrats in other areas (ie: AOC walked into Congress this term).
So it's not about just trying to scrape voters from the center-right, there's plenty of dissatisfaction with same old politicos on the left too. That's also a big reason Shillary lost the rust belt.
spurraider21
03-01-2020, 01:11 AM
Mid terms are a completely different ballgame, because you don't need everybody to align to the same person. If anything, this is comparable to Shillary '16. It's much more about the cult of personality and basically a popularity contest.
That's why you end up hearing terms for 'electability', which has much less to do with policy (Trump had none that could be taken seriously), but how that person can drive people to vote.
And let's not overlook that while moderates might've won seats in the mid terms, some of the more lefties also removed incumbent centrist democrats in other areas (ie: AOC walked into Congress this term).
So it's not about just trying to scrape voters from the center-right, there's plenty of dissatisfaction with same old politicos on the left too. That's also a big reason Shillary lost the rust belt.
But AOC represented a liberal district in New York going further left. Not necessarily a good indicator of the rust belt, etc
Spurtacular
03-01-2020, 01:24 AM
That's why you end up hearing terms for 'electability', which has much less to do with policy :cry Trump had none that could be taken seriously :cry
:lol
ElNono
03-01-2020, 01:24 AM
But AOC represented a liberal district in New York going further left. Not necessarily a good indicator of the rust belt, etc
I know, but the point is there's a section of the left that got tired of the same old center-right bullshit, enough not to be considered 'radicals' anymore, and actually get people elected to Congress, or in the case of Trump, the WH.
The Rust Belt was once a relatively solid part of the blue firewall. They're largely manufacturing, union folks, and they got tired of waiting for the center-right globalists to deliver. So there's that tension too, you can't just say it's only the Berniebros.
ElNono
03-01-2020, 01:29 AM
:lol
You think everything is a slight on Trump, it isn't. Shillary's platform wasn't any better, she was all about glass ceilings, and the like. The only reason I mentioned Trump is because he actually won the election.
Spurtacular
03-01-2020, 01:44 AM
You think everything is a slight on Trump, it isn't. Shillary's platform wasn't any better, she was all about glass ceilings, and the like. The only reason I mentioned Trump is because he actually won the election.
You can take all the slights on Trump you want. I'm sure he deserves a great many. I :lol at the fact that you're so triggered you act like electing Trump came out of nowhere.
ElNono
03-01-2020, 03:12 AM
You can take all the slights on Trump you want. I'm sure he deserves a great many. I :lol at the fact that you're so triggered you act like electing Trump came out of nowhere.
Never said that. I actually pointed out exactly why a crucial region in Trump's win voted for him.
ElNono
03-01-2020, 03:15 AM
Steyer drops out of 2020 race
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/29/steyer-drops-out-of-2020-race-118370
Winehole23
03-01-2020, 09:22 AM
That's some epic TDS
Lol, "I've known Trump for longer than most"
Trump is a historically bad President and an obviously corrupt one. Failing to see this is TDS per se.
picnroll
03-01-2020, 09:46 AM
Trump is a man for our times, a sociopathic con artist with a reality TV show.
pgardn
03-01-2020, 10:04 AM
You can take all the slights on Trump you want. I'm sure he deserves a great many. I :lol .
You are voting for him all in.
List the things he has done horribly wrong in your opinion.
I’ll start for you:
1) Did not secure the border with a 1 Trillion dollar force field
2) Has not executed trannies or bought you a woman who understands you and asks to be peed on.
hater
03-01-2020, 10:44 AM
Trump is a man for our times, a sociopathic con artist with a reality TV show.
remove “reality tv show” and your description fits his 2016 opponent perfectly as well
Millennial_Messiah
03-01-2020, 12:49 PM
For you, for sure.
I'm just in it for entertainment. I have always held the believe that Biden and Bernie are the only true contenders in this race that can actually win against Trump. It's true.
The Killer B's. Biden, Bernie, Bloomberg
anyone else doesn't have a chance, sorry Booker you're not included tbh
Spurtacular
03-01-2020, 05:49 PM
You are voting for him all in.
List the things he has done horribly wrong in your opinion.
I’ll start for you:
1) Did not secure the border with a 1 Trillion dollar force field
2) Has not executed trannies or bought you a woman who understands you and asks to be peed on.
:lol Cuck Garden lashing out.
Truth is I respect people that have consistent complaints about the presidents. I don't worry much about you Democrat fanboys.
koriwhat
03-01-2020, 06:22 PM
fuck bernie and his volunteer commies who text my phone earlier asking to support that weak pos 2face cocksucker.
i got a call from a volunteer with warren's camp and the next minute a text from them commies. fuck both!
Spurs Homer
03-01-2020, 06:36 PM
fuck bernie and his volunteer commies who text my phone earlier asking to support that weak pos 2face cocksucker.
i got a call from a volunteer with warren's camp and the next minute a text from them commies. fuck both!
man- i feel bad for both of them-
they have zero idea the gem they lost out on!
koriwhat
03-01-2020, 06:38 PM
man- i feel bad for both of them-
they have zero idea the gem they lost out on!
what's the number to the psych ward where you're staying? if they call back i'll give them your number bro! :tu
Spurs Homer
03-01-2020, 06:41 PM
what's the number to the psych ward where you're staying? if they call back i'll give them your number bro! :tu
im at your moms house- just dropped by-
ill let you know in a couple of hours after i dispose of some pent up energy
koriwhat
03-01-2020, 06:42 PM
btw, i actually had a very humorous call with the warren volunteer. i let her do most of the talking just to see what she had to say; nice lady. i simply told her i wasn't down with the radicalization of the party and she kept trying to tell me warren isn't one of the radicals which is neither here nor there. either way, funny lady and fun convo with her.
the bernout text though came across as some chad asking me if he has my support for beer pong champ 2020. the last line of the text, "Are you in for Bernie?" i text back "Fuck all you commiunists! Better dead than red!" and their response back was, "Ok, I understand. Have a great rest of your day!". automation at its best by commies.
koriwhat
03-01-2020, 06:43 PM
im at your moms house- just dropped by-
ill let you know in a couple of hours after i dispose of some pent up energy
are you in middle school tbh? mom jokes towards a 38 yr old.... you're fucking pathetic you mentally ill retard. :tu
Spurs Homer
03-01-2020, 06:45 PM
are you in middle school tbh? mom jokes towards a 38 yr old.... you're fucking pathetic you mentally ill retard. :tu
hold on- let me get back to you-
shes begging for anal again-
damn dude yo mom is nasty
koriwhat
03-01-2020, 06:47 PM
hold on- let me get back to you-
shes begging for anal again-
damn dude yo mom is nasty
what i was getting at is the fact that you're a lame motherfucker with lame fucking jabs but that was expected tbh.
again, what's the number to your padded room retard?
Spurs Homer
03-01-2020, 06:50 PM
what i was getting at is the fact that you're a lame motherfucker with lame fucking jabs but that was expected tbh.
again, what's the number to your padded room retard?
just push “calf tats psycho mom” on your cricket device
:spin:spin
pgardn
03-01-2020, 09:19 PM
:lol Cuck Garden lashing out.
Truth is I respect people that have consistent complaints about the presidents. I don't worry much about you Democrat fanboys.
Lashing out...
Can you get something, anything new...
And you don’t worry about Democratic fanboys, you just start threads on them every week.
Spurtacular
03-01-2020, 09:31 PM
And you don’t worry about Democratic fanboys, you just start threads on them every week.
To mock you :tu
To mock you :tu
Wild guess here....he's not offended at all.
Spurtacular
03-01-2020, 10:36 PM
Wild guess here....he's not offended at all.
You think he's a teflon cuck, eh?
koriwhat
03-02-2020, 01:07 PM
just push “calf tats psycho mom” on your cricket device
:spin:spin
How fucking dumb and what a weak ass response tbh. :tu
Chucho
03-02-2020, 03:01 PM
just push “calf tats psycho mom” on your cricket device
:spin:spin
Your kori's mom? And you're not dead from sheer disappointment? God bless your cholesterol-filled heart.
SnakeBoy
03-03-2020, 08:27 PM
So sorry about the revolution comrades
CosmicCowboy
03-04-2020, 06:18 AM
So sorry about the revolution comrades
:lmao
pgardn
03-04-2020, 08:53 AM
:lmao
So you will now be voting for Biden.
pgardn
03-04-2020, 09:00 AM
.
CosmicCowboy
03-04-2020, 09:02 AM
So you will now be voting for Biden.
Nope. Prez stays blank.
boutons_deux
03-04-2020, 09:06 AM
Trash vs Biden, the best America can produce
pgardn
03-04-2020, 09:08 AM
I guess he hates Biden just as much.
Biden is gonna have to do a whole lot wrong for me not to punch him in.
Nah. He’s in. With my disgust for lying, self absorbed, nitwit leaders, he can’t come close to orange man.
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