Spurs vs Mavs Game Blog

[Kori Ellis]

:fro

[ALVAREZ6]

Go Spurs!

Let's see what Finley does to his old team.

[E20]

Fuck, it's not on TV.

[spurs=bling]

Go Spurs!

Let's see what Finley does to his old team.


I hope Fin has a great game tonight.

and for the Spurs to show that shit talking asshole of Cuban, who the Spurs are :fro

[spurs=bling]

Fuck, it's not on TV.


Im gonna see it on Kens 5

[boutons]

I gotta go to Outback in San Diego to see it.
But my DVR should be recording it back in SA.
I sure hope it's a game worth keeping.

[Vashner]

Fry dem' chicken nuggetz.

[ducks]

make cuban cry

[yeahone]

parker is going to have another spectular game,,and timmy will abuse the best center in the nba dampier

[ducks]

Dirk Nowitzki: Playing Through Stiff Lower Back
RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Saturday, November 5, 2005

Update: Nowitzki has been playing through a stiff lower back in the first two games, the Dallas Morning News reports.

Recommendation: Nowitzki won't miss any time, but the stiff lower back may be what caused him to shoot a mere 39.5 percent in the first two games.

[yeahone]

i can see that the excuses are already have already started

[Spurologist]

3:08 DAL - K. Van Horn hits a technical free throw

who got a technical?

[ducks]

manu needs to be benched tell he is healthy

[Gerryatrics]

3:08 DAL - K. Van Horn hits a technical free throw

who got a technical?

Illegal defense.

[yeahone]

van exel off to a good start

[ducks]

nve is going off in the first half
finely hopely will go off in second half

[yeahone]

van exel with 8 points off the bench

[Gerryatrics]

NVE hits three freethrows... nobody doing commentary tonight?

[loveforthegame]

It's still early but it looks like NVE will be the former Maverick to hurt his old team.

[Mavs<Spurs]

This may be/ probably will be one of the areas where NVE and Finley's impact is most felt: winning on the road.

Great to have proven quality players like NVE and Finley who can put the ball in the basket, who won't be freaked out by ball pressure (not that allas does that since there still is no D in Dallas).


NVE looks great.

Nowitzki is a match up problem for us just like for everyone else.

[loveforthegame]

what's the lineup?

nm. I got it.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Dallas is playing pretty well as one would expect at home.

However, we're not doing too bad. NVE and Duncan are carrying the team.

So cool to have NVE!

[loveforthegame]

We might be seeing Beno tonight with NVE having 3 fouls.

[ducks]

5:56 DAL - Full timeout (Timeout #2)
5:56 DAL - Bad pass by J. Howard
6:07 DAL - J. Howard defensive rebound
6:09 SA - T. Duncan misses a 19-foot jumper from the left wing
6:16 SA - M. Ginobili defensive rebound
6:18 DAL - J. Howard misses a layup
6:39 SA - T. Parker hits a free throw
6:39 DAL - Shooting foul on J. Howard
6:39 SA - T. Parker drives to the hoop for a layup
howard is getting a chewing

[spursupporter]

parker for allstar

[ducks]

4:15 DAL - J. Howard steals the ball from M. Ginobili
4:28 DAL - D. Nowitzki makes shot. Assist: J. Howard
4:41 DAL - J. Howard steals the ball from B. Bowen
4:54 DAL - Shot clock violation on J. Howard
4:56 DAL - J. Howard steals the ball from T. Parker

[1Parker1]

Damn.....Manu is looking really bad tonight. Pop needs to just sit him until he gets 100%....because this is just prolonging the injury and it doesn't seem to be helping the team any having him play....

[CubanMustGo]

Earth to Howard: wake up

[loveforthegame]

Falling apart a bit. Too many turnovers.

Why isn't Finley shooting at all? 1 shot in 10 minutes?

[Admidave50]

damn a lot of turnovers.. the mavs got back the lead 39-38.
Gino is 0-5 !

[1Parker1]

Tony needs to stop turning the ball over!!! Terry just stole it, which lead to a basket by Mavs that tied the game.

SA time out.......I bet Pop is chewing Tony out right about now.

[Admidave50]

haha 2 free throws missed by Howard

[Mavs<Spurs]

The Mavericks look pretty happy to be tied with us even at their home.

I guess they should be.

[ducks]

wATCHING

[loveforthegame]

Finley, Barry, or Bowen will need to bring some scoring with Ginobli and NVE both having 3 fouls each. Not to mention Ginobli still struggling offensively.

[Mavs<Spurs]

We need to work on the lob entry pass.

[ducks]

manu has no made field games
tp has 3 turnovers and spurs are tied
this team is deep

[ducks]

beno sighting
he also has one assist now

[Admidave50]

what's the score?

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

It's official.... beno still sucks

[Mavs<Spurs]

Wow, that was ugly, ugly basketball!!!

What is the matter with them.

If Udrih can't stop turning the ball over, we need to lose him before we lose games.

This is ridiculous and stupid.

[cqsallie]

What the heck is this?
Will the Spurs come roaring back in the second half?

[Admidave50]

49-43? what the hell

[Amuseddaysleeper]

i gotta freakin watch raptors and pistons on tsn (canada) never ever do they show spurs

dude, im in the same boat as you, the thing i HATE the MOST about canada is the lack of being able to get the nba league pass so we can watch every b-ball game!!! drives me nuts! the raptors are PAINFUL to watch!!

[ZStomp]

It's official.... beno still sucks


:lmao

[TwoHandJam]

Beno is giving me flashbacks. Definitely not a good way to make the most of your already limited minutes.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Tim was careless with the ball.

Manu is ineffective at best, a detriment at worst.

You can't beat the little sisters of the poor when you play like that.

I hope that Pop chews them out because that is not acceptable.

Rank amateurs.

[Spurologist]

damn nba.com is slow. It says 43-43

[Admidave50]

too many turnovers in this quarter, horry & gino still have problems for their shots..

It's getting late in Paris (3:43 am), good night all and hope Spurs will have their 3rd win! ;)

[Amuseddaysleeper]

espn and cbssportsline say 43-49 to dallas!!! we r tied at halftime not down right?? :oops

[Mavs<Spurs]

Beno should be benched the rest of this game.

NVE is playing much better than Tony. Perhaps the crowd is getting to Tony and Manu. Maybe they are intimidated.

[Duncanoypi]

dont lose hope...spurs will beat Dallas late in the third then go along with the 4th...In Duncan we trust...

[Duncanoypi]

espn and cbssportsline say 43-49 to dallas!!! we r tied at halftime not down right?? :oops

we're down b 6...

[Mavs<Spurs]

It's too bad that Manu and Tony and Beno are so scared of the crowd and intimidated. That's just a shame. Perhaps Pop can show them the Wizard of Oz.

They're rattled and the only explanation I can come up with is that it is due to being intimidated and scared of the crowd. Too bad for adult guys.

[cqsallie]

dude, im in the same boat as you, the thing i HATE the MOST about canada is the lack of being able to get the nba league pass so we can watch every b-ball game!!! drives me nuts! the raptors are PAINFUL to watch!!

Yeh! But everything else about Canadian televison is sweet! You don't know how much I miss it. US choices just don't compare (other than the sports thing).

[nkdlunch]

WOW, I didn't know League pass is free tonight!!!!

cool I can watch the game

[Mavs<Spurs]

I just hope that Pop and Tim and NVE can give them some backbone.

[1Parker1]

Manu is not having a good game, Finley is not taking any shots, and Tony is doing good scoring-wise, he just needs to limit his damn TO's and run the offense better.

[1Parker1]

I bet 3rd quarter will be Tony and Tim time. Look for them to carry the offense.........says Ms. Nostradamus :)

[loveforthegame]

Bowen, 11min 0-2, 0-1, 1to
Duncan, 19min 6-9, 3-3, 15pts, 5rbs, 2as, 1to, 3blks
Rasho, 9min 1-2, 2pts, 2rbs, 1to
Parker, 13min 4-8, 1-1, 9pts, 3rbs, 1as, 3tos
Manu, 14min 0-5, 0-1, 3-4, 3pts, 3rbs, 1as, 1to, 1stl
Horry, 14min 1-5, 1-3, 3pts, 3rbs, 1as, 1blk
Barry, 10min 0-1
Finley, 15min 0-2, 0-2, 3rbs
NVE, 8min 3-4, 2-3, 3-3, 11pts
Nazr, 4min 0-1
Udrih, 3min 0-1, 1as, 1to

[Mavs<Spurs]

6 points is not the issue, but how they played to get that deficit is an issue. Against a good team, we would be losing by 30.

This has been some sorry, sorry basketball. If I were some of them, I'd feel guilty for being paid to play that bad. I would also be embarassed. I might consider donating a large portion of my check to a worthwhile charity, feeling like I did not deserve it.

[nkdlunch]

So let me get this straight, we're playing like complete shit and only down by 6????

cool

[Mavs<Spurs]

I'm saving this game on DVR, but even if we win I won't want to remember this game. The only person who can use this game is Pop in reading the troops the riot act. This one will be erased upon completion.

Hopefully, they will play like they are capable and still squeak this out.

Either way, this has been very painful to watch.

They are the best team in the league, but they are not playing like it now.

If they keep this up, they don't have a chance to win.

[Solid D]

Bowen misses baseline 12 footer.

Howard around screen for the high floater over Rasho. 51-43

Duncan off great feed from Manu at FT line, misses but Rasho tips in.

Dallas Turnover with Rasho on floor o/b

Rasho at FT line swish.

Josh Howard rt. wing 3, good. 54-47.

Duncan defended by Dirk, short shot good. 49-54

[Solid D]

Dampier fouled 1 of 2 FTs good.

Rasho FT line j, blocked by Howard.

Dirk fadeaway over Duncan high archer, swish from 16.

3 sec. Spurs.

[Solid D]

Gino drives, Dirk slaps it away to TP.

TP rt. wing 3, no good, Rasho reb.

Manu dribble drive spin fouled by Howard.

Manu 2 FTs good 51-57. 8:05

[Solid D]

Josh Howard with off. reb to Dirk on lft. wing 3 swish. 51-60

Gino drives baseline misses twister.

Christie rt. side from Terry, swish. Timeout Spurs. 51-62

[spursupporter]

things are looking real bad...

[HB22inSA]

Uh oh, looks like all those 82-0 predictions are in jeopardy.

It's good for them to get a reality check every now and then, the hype has just gone way too far.

[loveforthegame]

This is embarrassing. No other word for it.

[Mavs<Spurs]

The Mavericks are hitting their open jumpshots.

Usually, if you are in the NBA, you can make an open jumpshot.

No great mystery here. If you don't want to play defense and guard Dirk, then you are probably going to lose and probably you will lose badly.

Our offense is completely out of sync.

[loveforthegame]

36% - Spurs

50% - Dallas

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

About time manu got a call

[Mavs<Spurs]

Another turnover.

Defense is about concentration and effort. Apparently, the Spurs are doing neither. They are not playing hard. Lack of effort. Lack of thought.

[ducks]

manu needs to be benched tell he is healthy

[Solid D]

Starters still in for Spurs.

Shot clock down, Manu to Tim knocked away bad pass.

reb. Manu, Manu all the way to basket, fouled by Howard. 3 on Josh.

2 FTs good 53-62 6:16 in 3rd

[ducks]

get howard in foul trouble

[Solid D]

Barry in for Manu, Horry for Rasho, Finley for Bowen.

Howard around Rob baseline, pinned by Tim on basket and board, ball stuck, jump ball.

Tip won by Terry of Dal.

Dirk FT line miss.

Rob to TP cutting to bucket, layup . Nice pass and cut. Spurs down by 7 Timeout.

55-62

[Mavs<Spurs]

Eventually, I am going to run out of excuses for why Manu is playing so bad. A lot of one hit wonders in music. Sooner or later, those excuses become so transparent that everyone can see through them because they are so paper thin.

Is Manu shooting better than 25%? How many rebounds, assists, turnovers does he have.

Dirk had a wide open shot. Horry was simply lucky that Dirk did not knock it down. Most of the time Robert won't be lucky.

The guy is pretty good. You might want to consider guarding him.

[ABDENOUR POWER]

Duncan needs to take over.

[ducks]

4 on howard now

lets go
howard has been good get him out with fouls spurs win

[Solid D]

Moving pick Van Horn on Rasho. Off foul.

Rob fader from mid block, off but Tim reb. fouled by Howard on his back. 4 fouls.

Fin off great feed layup. 57-62.

Daniels steals from Barry at left wing.

Daniels wing j, no. Timi reb.

Tim skip pass to Barry in left corner, 3!!!!!

[Mavs<Spurs]

Another entry pass gone awry this time courtesy of Brent.
You make the odds work against you when you turn the ball over so often.

At least he made up for it with his three.
He has played pretty well for the most part so far this season.

[ducks]

Tied Game Lets Go

[yeahone]

game tied 63

[Solid D]

Tim reb. off Dal miss.

Barry around screen at elbow down the middle, banker good!!! Game tied at 62!

Timeout Dallas

[loveforthegame]

Get a few stops and make a few shots and we've evened it back up.

[Solid D]

Harris drives right on TP dumps to Van Horn, dunk.

Horry baseline to Tim, noooo 3 secs. called on Timmy. What?

[Mavs<Spurs]

We're playing bad enough. The refs don't have to compound it by making it worse by a bad call.

[Solid D]

Spurs in matchup zone.

Van Horn blocked by Tim but gotten by Van Horn, to Dirk on wing 3, swish. 62-67

Van Exel 3 attempt blocked.

Harris nice move hesitation around Tim basket good. 62-69.

Barry off p/r to Robert inside layin. 64-69

Fader by Dirk, good.

Floater by Rob baseline, almost but out. o/b off Rob

[texbumTHElife]

I know it is still really early but Tim looks like he really doesnt care right now. His effort on offense and defense is terrible and he pretty much look like he would rather pass about 90% of the time.

At this point in the season, this team goes where Tony Parker takes it and as insonsistent as he is thats not a good thing.

[Solid D]

Rasho deflects pass, stolen by Barry. Last shot of qtr.

NVE drives and dishes back bad pass but Fin gets it and misses 17 footer at buzzer.

64-71 end of 3rd.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

not to look for excuses but how much of a factor can fatgiue be in tonights game? or do we just look like we just dont care?

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

manu needs to be benched tell he is healthy

I disagree, I think Manu needs to learn to play through it, what happens if he gets a thigh contusion during the playoffs?

[E20]

It's time to shut these fuckers down here in the 4th.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I disagree, I think Manu needs to learn to play through it, what happens if he gets a thigh contusion during the playoffs?

he sits it out instead of hurting the team even more by playign poorly while injured

[Mavs<Spurs]

Dallas is hitting all the open shots that we give them, we are too careless with the basketball.

[texbumTHElife]

Looks like bad coaching and worse effort to me. Right now Pop is getting completely schooled by Avery. Avery is making the adjustments and has his team playing hard. Avery - 1 Pop - 0

[ducks]

manu is playing terrible.

[texbumTHElife]

This is one on one street ball for the Spurs with a complete lack of defense. Im embarassed. How many points in the paint do we have? I cant even remember the last pass to the post....

[HB22inSA]

This may be the worst performance in the history of Competitive Sports.

--Bill Walton

[Spurologist]

Is there something physically wrong with Manu or is he just having an off-night. 0-7 fgs?

[Solid D]

Oberto hasn't gotten a sniff tonight until now.

Devin Harris baseline around Fabri, fouled by Manu.

Harris 1-2 on FTs Spurs down by 8.

NVE misses inside. Harris back the other way jukes around NVE and scores. Fouled.

Misses FT.

Fin wing j, no good.

Dirk fakes and rises up over Fabri tough shot swish! 64-76

[HB22inSA]

Spurs getting blown out...

[Solid D]

NVE bad pass to Fabri, intercepted by Christie. awful pass NVE

Harris fastbreak layup. Timeout Spurs Spurs trail by 14

[texbumTHElife]

Stick a fork in the Spurs, they are done.

[ducks]

nve d sucks

[Mavs<Spurs]

78-64 Mavs.

Could and should be worse.

That's a loss.

They didn't want to win tonight for some reason. Therefore, they won't.

[texbumTHElife]

For the Spurs to win Tim Duncan must take over the game NOW. MAKE your free throws and go strong to the hole.

[Solid D]

Those old knees aren't looking too good on b2b.

NVE still in. Barry at top lob to Tim, fouled 2 shots coming.

1st FT in and out. 2nd FT good.
65-78 10:10 remaining in 4th.

[texbumTHElife]

Head Fakes:

Mavericks 297 - Spurs 2

[E20]

It's time Timmy showed everybody his nuts and goes MVP on them.

[ca®lo]

come on spurs we can still do this!!!!

[texbumTHElife]

I know it and you all know it:

Dirk >>>> Tim Duncan

All the clebratory threads before this game even started should be deleted and every one who posted in them caned.

[ducks]

D. Harris drives to the hoop for a layup. Assist: D. Christie
9:33 DAL - D. Christie steals the ball from N. Van Exel
9:47 DAL - D. Harris drives to the hoop for a layup. Assist: D. Nowitzki

guard him

[Mavs<Spurs]

Spurs losing by 19.

Mavs ball. Finley 1-6.

[ducks]

about time pop you cost the spurs by not putting tp back in tell now!

[Solid D]

Dirk doubled on switch. To Harris great drive around Tim good.

Christie steals, Devin Harris layup again. whoosh.

Tim baseline shot no, Gino tips annnnnd off the rim.

Dirk fakes and drives, fouled by Tim.

2 FTs good by Dirk 65-84. Spurs stinking out loud on obvious telegraphed passes.

TP drives underneath out to Fin, jumper missed again. o/b Mavs ball.

Harris splits double, fouled by Manu.

[Mavs<Spurs]

D. Harris drives to the hoop for a layup. Assist: D. Christie
9:33 DAL - D. Christie steals the ball from N. Van Exel
9:47 DAL - D. Harris drives to the hoop for a layup. Assist: D. Nowitzki

guard him

they don't feel like it tonight.

[HB22inSA]

So much for the 5-0 road trip.

Back to reality people...

[ducks]

when tp went out spurs were tied
POP why?

[HB22inSA]

23-3 run for Dallas...ouch!!

[JamStone]

How about Dallas is a pretty dam good team?

I really like this Spurs messageboard and the great majority of its members. The only thing that sometimes is bewildering is many fans' complete denial of the Spurs' teams faults or imperfections combined with the often lack of credit they give other teams.

Dallas is a very good team. They have great offensive players, and better defensive players than a lot of casual fans realize. There is a better balance on that team. And, Avery Johnson is a very smart coach. They have their problems as well. But, when they are hitting their outside shots and hustling, they are a tough team to beat.

San Antonio is still the better team. But, just because Dallas might be leading in the game, it doesn't mean it's Pop's coaching mistakes or that Manu is simply playing like crap. Maybe Dallas is making him play like crap. Maybe not. But, give Dallas some credit.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I know it and you all know it:

Dirk >>>> Tim Duncan

All the clebratory threads before this game even started should be deleted and every one who posted in them caned.

What are you stupid.

Dirk has won how many championships? how many Finals mvps? how many regular season mvps?

You are just about the only person in the entire universe with that opinion.

[Leetonidas]

I know it and you all know it:

Dirk >>>> Tim Duncan

All the clebratory threads before this game even started should be deleted and every one who posted in them caned.

You're stupid. One bad game for the SPURS doesn't mean Dirk is better than Tim. Dirk is getting more shots and better opportunities, Tim is not.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Another turnover!

Wow, my grandmothers, my mom, my sister and I could beat the Spurs tonight.

[Slo spurs fan]

Steals:
Spurs 1 Mavs 11 !!!

[Solid D]

Harris 1 of 2 FTs good. 65-85

TP with the jumper, good (finally).

7:50 left. Dampier hook over Tim no, TP reb.

TP drives and carries it, TO. :(

Dirk mid-block Tim blocks.

Barry gets ball and passes to Dallas. :(

Dampier deep on Tim hook no, fouled Tim.

TP off high screen jumper from top, swish.

Dirk misses over Bowen. TP drives crossover and scores around Terry.

and 1. FT good 72-85

[texbumTHElife]

What are you stupid.

Dirk has won how many championships? how many Finals mvps? how many regular season mvps?

You are just about the only person in the entire universe with that opinion.


I meant in this game and team accomplishments mean NOTHING in an individuals career until its over IMO. How old is Dirk, how old is Duncan?

[Mavs<Spurs]

Sean has great faith when he says it is not over yet. I hate to disagree with Sean, but it is over.

[Leetonidas]

Lead is 13. I've seen T-Mac (and I'm sure you all have too) score that many in 30 seconds. We have 6+ minutes. It can be done.

[Leetonidas]

Tony feeling it. Lead is down to 11. This is manageable.

[Solid D]

Spurs playing tight D, Dirk in corner doubled, to Terry off. foul, elbow to TP.

Duncan back to TP baseline reverse layup in traffic!!!!! 74-85. timeout. 5:41 left

[Banks91]

leads only 13? phew, my internet is slow, thought we were gettin drubbed by 20points

[spursupporter]

parker for allstar!!!

[Admidave50]

Go Spurs Go!

[Admidave50]

parker should have been on the floor a lot sooner!

[Solid D]

All Dallas has to do is put Devin Harris back in and they can get a W. Let's see what adjustments AJ makes. It seems like Harris got a dozen in like 3 minutes.

[ducks]

tp has 6 rebounds

[texbumTHElife]

Page 3, as I predicted Spurs go where Tony Parker takes them because Tim Duncan doesnt want it.

[Mavs<Spurs]

This is the inevitable tightening, ebb and flow part of the last stages of the game. It will go back up shortly. We are not playing good enough defense, allowed the Mavs to get on a roll and are not taking good enough care of the basketball to come back.

[E20]

I guess Timmy's nuts were too tired from yesterday.

[ducks]

manu 0-9

[texbumTHElife]

This is the inevitable tightening, ebb and flow part of the last stages of the game. It will go back up shortly. We are not playing good enough defense, allowed the Mavs to get on a roll and are not taking good enough care of the basketball to come back.

A+ post

[Admidave50]

All Dallas has to do is put Devin Harris back in and they can get a W. Let's see what adjustments AJ makes. It seems like Harris got a dozen in like 3 minutes.

yeah but nick "old knees" van exel was defending on him, right?

[Solid D]

Terry wing 3 attempt no good. Tim reb. to Manu fastbreak. misses layup, no lift.

Van Horn fakes on outside 3, Manu goes airborn and knocks the crud out of Van Horn.

Van Horn down for the count.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Manu can't even make layups this season.

We don't deserve to win.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

ok thats it ginobili has to be taken out right now, he's clearly hurt and i think he needs time off for a few games to heal

[texbumTHElife]

Has Tim been bleaching his skin? He is looking a litle like "MJ" and I dont mean Jordan.

[Admidave50]

manu should stop shooting and must give the ball, it's obviously not his night

[texbumTHElife]

ok thats it ginobili has to be taken out right now, he's clearly hurt and i think he needs time off for a few games to heal

I dont buy that he is that hurt. He is just playing like trash. End of story.

[loveforthegame]

Parker giving everything he's got.

Who do you go with? Ginobli is 0-9 but getting to the ft line and has 5 fouls now with 4 minutes to go. Finley is 1-6 and not having the return I'm sure he was hoping for. Barry made some things happen out there but will it be enough?

[spursupporter]

manu needs to rest!

[Solid D]

Harris back in. Van Horn shooting FTs.

1st FT no good. 2nd FT good. 3rd good. 74-87. 5:10 left.

[Admidave50]

what's the score and how many minutes left?

[Admidave50]

3 FT? damn

[ducks]

4:50 SA - Slam dunk by M. Ginobili. Assist: T. Duncan

[texbumTHElife]

Mavericks have taken the title as the best passing team in the NBA.

[Solid D]

Bowen wing foot on line, no good, Gino unbelieveable save in corner.

To Tim back to Gino baseline, JAMMMM!!!!

Devin Harris gets inside of Barry, from Dirk layup Harris good. and1.

FT good 76-90. TP drives around screen left side layup spinshot good.

Van Horn from Howard great pass. scores over TP. 78-92

[Admidave50]

1st FG of Manu! :elephant :elephant :elephant

[Mavs<Spurs]

Poor defense again.

Another turnover.

[Solid D]

TP drives and kicks to Gino on right wing, 3!!!!!! Gino Gino Gino.

Gino steals along sideline and fouled by Harris going to basket.

1st FT short by Gino. 2nd FT good 82-92 3:17 left

[texbumTHElife]

Lead is 10 with 3 minuters left

Defense?

[ducks]

3:20 SA - M. Ginobili steals the ball from J. Howard
3:34 SA - M. Ginobili makes a 26-foot three-pointer from the right wing. Assist: T. Parker

[Mavs<Spurs]

Homer Simpson is a ref?

[Solid D]

Harris around screen switch by Bowen and fouled by Bowen.

Mavs in penalty. Harris shooting FTs. 1st one good. 2nd FT good.

82-94

[texbumTHElife]

SPurs cant defend without fouling tonight. The Mavericks are just too athletic and have too much hustle. Spurs older slower players getting used.

[Spurologist]

Homer Simpson is a ref?

another d'oh! call?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

bowen needs to get off the floor, we need some serious last second offense right now as i've ttoally given up on our D...................even though its defense that wins championships and not offense :drunk

[texbumTHElife]

Wow you would think that this is the Championship for the Mavericks the way that place is rocking. SBC Center should be jealous. I wonder if they will even drop confetti when Dallas wins?

[HB22inSA]

Nowitzki looking like Jordan...

[Solid D]

TP 360 in lane, bodies into Dirk and somehow makes rt. hand layup!!!

Dirk misses but Howard reb.

Nowitzki guarded by TP on switch, FT line j, swish.

TP long jumper no good. dirk reb.

Middle p/r ball to Dirk at top, turnaround jumper over Barry, swish. 84-98.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Tony is going to guard Dirk?

Interesting move by Pop.

Maybe its just me, but I'm thinking that this matchup won't work out that well.

[E20]

Even though Timmy's nuts were tired he still managed to come up with an impressive line:

18 PTS
12 REBS
3 ASTS
6 BLKS

[Amuseddaysleeper]

who the F is guarding nowitzki? duncan? or just a huge patch of air???

[ducks]

this loss is on po p
he put tp in sooner spurs win
IDIOT POP

[texbumTHElife]

Nowitzki looking like Jordan...


Because this is how great player play in the crunch..... Wait.... Dont the Spurs have a supposedly "great" player who is notorious for dissapearing in crunch time? Well look no further than this game for that answer.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Next thing you know, Pop will put Tony on Dampier or later how about Garnett.

[Admidave50]

-14? i guess all hope is lost!

[texbumTHElife]

who the F is guarding nowitzki? duncan? or just a huge patch of air???

It hasnt mattered. Bruce, TP, Duncan he has used and discarded everyone on this team. Nowitzki looks like the best player in the NBA right now.

[Admidave50]

Who was defending on Dirk all night?

[Mavs<Spurs]

Because this is how great player play in the crunch..... Wait.... Dont the Spurs have a supposedly "great" player who is notorious for dissapearing in crunch time? Well look no further than this game for that answer.


I don't know anything about that at all. What I can tell you is that Duncan has 3 rings and 3 finals mvps and they don't give those away.

Am I alone here?

[texbumTHElife]

Next thing you know, Pop will put Tony on Dampier or later how about Garnett.

Its called the offense running a proper screen and roll. it is supposed to create mismatches. Just because the Spurs cant run any offensive sets (besides one on one) for shit doesnt mean noone else can.

[texbumTHElife]

I don't know anything about that at all. What I can tell you is that Duncan has 3 rings and 3 finals mvps and they don't give those away.

Am I alone here?

Oh wait a second, what made it so obvious I was talking about Duncan? Because I was right.

[Admidave50]

devin harris 17 points in like 7 mins. wtf? when did dallas get ben gordon?

i think he scored most of his points with Van X defending on him..

[spursupporter]

d.harris is nut!

[mrpach]

Its called the offense running a proper screen and roll. it is supposed to create mismatches. Just because the Spurs cant run any offensive sets (besides one on one) for shit doesnt mean noone else can.


:rolleyes

[Solid D]

Nazr in now with Beno, Bruce Brent and Fabri

mop-up time Beno from Bruce should have taken 3, misses baselin j.

Harris great move shoots baseline over Fabri, swish! 84-100

Barry misses.

Harris dribbles at top, takes a 3 and it rattles in with 3 sec. left. 84-103

Ballgame.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Who was defending on Dirk all night?

Tony Parker for one.

I thought that this a novel strategy of Pop's putting 6 foot 2 inch 180 pound Tony Parker on the 7 footer.

[Admidave50]

we lost the game at the end of the 2nd quarter (they scored like 6-8 pts in the last 1:30 min) and at the beginning of the 4th..

[Ghost Writer]

Looks like we got our @sses whooped.

[Slo spurs fan]

Steals:
Spurs 1 Mavs 11 !!!

At the end:
Spurs 2 Mavs 12 !!! Enough said.

[texbumTHElife]

Its called the offense running a proper screen and roll. it is supposed to create mismatches. Just because the Spurs cant run any offensive sets (besides one on one) for shit doesnt mean noone else can.

FYI I could give you a list a mile long of great players who didnt have rings when they were Dirks age and never got one either.

[Solid D]

All Dallas has to do is put Devin Harris back in and they can get a W. Let's see what adjustments AJ makes. It seems like Harris got a dozen in like 3 minutes.

Well, the Spurs got it to 10 with 3 min. left with TP in there and then AJ put Harris back in.

Dirk and Harris (10 more after he came back in) close the game out, no contest.

Harris finishes with 22 points, all in 2nd half.

[texbumTHElife]

:rolleyes


Maybe you should take off the homer glasses. The Spurs spend a large majority of the time with one person at the top of the key going solo. Tp does it, Manu does it, NVE does it and Finley does it. It is a staple of Spurs basketball. We have the most simplistic offensive system in the league. Thats why good defensive bball teams shut us down so easily. Quit being a homer for half a second and recognize.

[Admidave50]

Bowen didn't play much.. who did he guard when he was playing?

[Mavs<Spurs]

Oh wait a second, what made it so obvious I was talking about Duncan? Because I was right.

I had to guess because you said that there was a player who was "supposedly great". It is well known that many suppose that Duncan is great.

One has to pick some player on the team.

Of course, you are an idiot; so, there's nothing I can do to help you.

If you can't figure out that a guy who won 3 championships, won 3 finals mvps and 2 regular season mvps, then you are obviously ignorant.

Did you graduate from elementary school yet?

[spursupporter]

Cleveland lost tonight too, Miami is also about to lose.

[Solid D]

Bowen didn't play much.. who did he guard when he was playing?

Bowen guarded Dirk and Howard.

[Pandaemonaeon]

Looks like an eternity of Mouse at Spurs Talk :( although I'm happy the Mavs won, obviously.

[Solid D]

It was 2nd game of b2b on the road, Mavs opening night. No worries. Spurs looked tired, except for TP.

The Mavs lost in Utah on 2nd game of b2b on the road. It happens.

[texbumTHElife]

If you can't figure out that a guy who won 3 championships, won 3 finals mvps and 2 regular season mvps, then you are obviously ignorant.


If you want to go back and revise this sentence to make since before calling me ignorant go ahead, homer.

[Admidave50]

Bowen guarded Dirk and Howard.

thx for the info, hope Spurs will play better against the Bulls, the game will be broadcasted on French tv cable! :spin

[Mavs<Spurs]

Hey idiot, how many titles have the Mavs won?

How many?

The same as your iq-zero!

[texbumTHElife]

It was 2nd game of b2b on the road, Mavs opening night. No worries. Spurs looked tired, except for TP.

The Mavs lost in Utah on 2nd game of b2b on the road. It happens.

Wow I didnt realize the Mavericks hadnt played since Wed. I wouldt say it was so much a case of the Spurs being tired as it was the Mavericks just being full of energy.

[TDfan2007]

I didn't get to see the game (and I'm glad I didn't) but wtf happened to Tim in the fourth quarter?!!!

Tony took like 90% of our shots in the fourth and Dirk simply pwned us.

How is it that Tim only scores 1 point in the fourth quarter?!!!!!

:pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss

[Mavs<Spurs]

If you want to go back and revise this sentence to make since before calling me ignorant go ahead, homer.


You're the homer moron. Spurs 3 championships your Mavs 0

Did you catch the math on that.

Can you not count?

Spurs 3 Mavs 0

[Solid D]

The Spurs old-timers had better get some rest because they are going to play 4 more games in 6 day period.

[Admidave50]

wow, 103-84! the final score is severe..

yeah nothing to worry about this lost but maybe Pop should have rested our core players sooner yesterday against Cleveland.. I didn't know we were playing Dallas just the day after!

[texbumTHElife]

Hey idiot, how many titles have the Mavs won?

How many?

The same as your iq-zero!

I am assuming this was directed at me, if so what are you trying to argue? I didnt say the Mavericks were historically better. I said that Nowitzki is better than Duncan and FAR more clutch.

[Mavs<Spurs]

You're the homer moron. Spurs 3 championships your Mavs 0

Did you catch the math on that.

Can you not count?

Spurs 3 Mavs 0


Since I am the only person out of the two of us who can appeal to statistical facts and have the easiest and most logical way of making sense of them, then it is quite apparent that you are the homer, here moron.

[texbumTHElife]

You're the homer moron. Spurs 3 championships your Mavs 0

Did you catch the math on that.

Can you not count?

Spurs 3 Mavs 0

Im a Spurs fan BTW. The difference is I am an intelligent, realistic and non-homer fan. Once again as I said in my last post I ever argued the significance of the Spurs vs. the Mavericks as far as teams go. All I stated was that Nowitzki is superior to Duncan in almost every way including clutch factor.

[spurster]

The Mavs just played better. Dirk was hitting that fadeaway all night. The Mavs hitting their jumpers opened up the lane for Harris. The Spurs D intensity was not there, and the Mavs wanted the win badly.

[Admidave50]

Nowitzki is better than Duncan and FAR more clutch.

Have you seen Dirk played the last playoff game against Phoenix?

[texbumTHElife]

Since I am the only person out of the two of us who can appeal to statistical facts and have the easiest and most logical way of making sense of them, then it is quite apparent that you are the homer, here moron.

The problem is your statement makes NO sense in the context of this argument. I never argued the Mavericks were better. Period. Your statements, while true, have no bearing on what I am saying.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I am assuming this was directed at me, if so what are you trying to argue? I didnt say the Mavericks were historically better. I said that Nowitzki is better than Duncan and FAR more clutch.

I guess using your logic that I am right in calling you a moron.

Idiot.

[bendmz]

we still have what,? 79 games left....

[texbumTHElife]

Have you seen Dirk played the last playoff game against Phoenix?

What does that have to do with my argument? So because Dirk hasnt been in a position to win a game 7 vs. the Pistons he cant be more clutch than Tim Duncan? Are you really going to argue with me about the fact that Tim Duncan is terrible in the clutch? As long as you are pointing out last years playoffs, remember the Sonics series.

[texbumTHElife]

I guess using your logic that I am right in calling you a moron.

Idiot.

WOW, just wow.

[loveforthegame]

Some ugly lines in here. Bowen no points, rebounds or assists. Fin's horrid shooting. NVE no assists. Barry only 1rb in 28 minutes action. Manu trying while hurt but is it helping the team?

Bowen 25min 0-4, 0-1, 1to
Duncan 38min 7-12, 4-5, 18pts, 12rbs, 5as, 3tos, 6blks
Rasho 17min 3-6, 6pts, 5rbs, 1to, 1stl
Parker 31min 11-17, 0-2, 2-2, 24pts, 6rbs, 3as, 4tos
Manu 25min 2-11, 1-2, 8-10, 13pts, 5rbs, 1as, 2tos, 2stls
Barry 28min 2-3, 1-1, 5pts, 1rb, 1as, 2tos
Finley 27min 1-6, 0-2, 2pts, 4rbs
NVE 13min 3-6, 2-4, 3-3, 11pts 1rb, 2tos
Nazr 5min 0-1, 1to
Udrih 4min 0-1, 1as, 1to
Oberto 3min

[Mavs<Spurs]

I guess using your logic that I am right in calling you a moron.


Idiot.

Could it be that there are logical fallacies in your arguments? Otherwise, if you hold to your line of reasoning, you must admit that you are a moron.

I'm right either way. Either I'm right that your previous argument has a logical fallacy in it and therefore is not valid or I am right that you are a moron.

I'll let you think about that one.

You are in over your head.

Home is calling you troll.

[TDfan2007]

Dirk is known for dissapearing come playoff time. Stepping up in the playoffs is what defines a clutch player and Tim has historically played better in the playoffs than the regular season. Plus if you didn't notice Dirk took over twice as many shots as Tim so of course he'll score more points.

[texbumTHElife]

12:00 Start of the 4th Quarter.
11:44 Manu Ginobili Shooting Foul. His 4th Personal Foul. 62-71
11:44 62-71 Devin Harris missed Free Throw 1 of 2.
11:44 62-71 Dallas offensive rebound.
11:44 62-72 Devin Harris made Free Throw 2 of 2.
11:30 Nick Van Exel missed 9 ft running jumper. 62-72
11:27 62-72 Keith Van Horn defensive rebound.
11:26 62-74 Devin Harris made driving layup.
11:26 Nick Van Exel Shooting Foul. His 5th Personal Foul. 62-74
11:26 62-74 Devin Harris missed Free Throw 1 of 1.
11:25 Nick Van Exel defensive rebound. 62-74
11:07 Michael Finley missed 17 ft jumper. 62-74
11:07 San Antonio defensive rebound. 62-74
10:48 62-76 Dirk Nowitzki made 16 ft two point shot.
10:33 62-76 Keith Van Horn Personal Foul. His 4th Personal Foul.
10:29 Nick Van Exel Bad Pass. Stolen by Doug Christie. 62-76
10:23 62-78 Devin Harris made driving layup. Assisted by Doug Christie.
10:19 San Antonio Full Timeout.
10:19 Tim Duncan enters the game for Fabricio Oberto. 62-78
10:10 62-78 Keith Van Horn Shooting Foul. His 5th Personal Foul.
10:10 Tim Duncan missed Free Throw 1 of 2. 62-78
10:10 San Antonio offensive rebound. 62-78
10:10 62-78 Erick Dampier enters the game for Keith Van Horn.
10:10 Tim Duncan made Free Throw 2 of 2. 63-78
10:00 Michael Finley Personal Foul. His 2nd Personal Foul. 63-78
9:47 63-80 Devin Harris made driving layup. Assisted by Dirk Nowitzki.
9:33 Nick Van Exel Bad Pass. Stolen by Doug Christie. 63-80
9:27 63-82 Devin Harris made driving layup. Assisted by Doug Christie.
9:12 Tim Duncan missed 10 ft jumper. 63-82
9:11 Manu Ginobili missed 8 ft jumper. 63-82
9:11 Manu Ginobili offensive rebound. 63-82
9:08 63-82 Dirk Nowitzki defensive rebound.
8:49 Tim Duncan Shooting Foul. His 2nd Personal Foul. 63-82
8:49 63-83 Dirk Nowitzki made Free Throw 1 of 2.
8:49 Tony Parker enters the game for Nick Van Exel. 63-83
8:49 63-84 Dirk Nowitzki made Free Throw 2 of 2.
8:33 Michael Finley missed 14 ft jumper. 63-84
8:30 San Antonio defensive rebound. 63-84
8:15 Tim Duncan Personal Foul. His 3rd Personal Foul. 63-84
8:15 Bruce Bowen enters the game for Manu Ginobili. 63-84
8:15 63-84 Devin Harris missed Free Throw 1 of 2.
8:15 63-84 Dallas offensive rebound.
8:15 63-85 Devin Harris made Free Throw 2 of 2.
8:03 Tony Parker made 17 ft jumper. 65-85
7:39 65-85 Erick Dampier missed 4 ft hook shot.
7:35 Tony Parker defensive rebound. 65-85
7:18 65-85 Dirk Nowitzki's layup blocked by Tim Duncan.
7:15 Brent Barry defensive rebound. 65-85
7:13 Brent Barry Bad Pass. Stolen by Doug Christie. 65-85
7:07 65-85 Erick Dampier missed hook shot.
7:05 Tim Duncan defensive rebound. 65-85
7:05 65-85 Erick Dampier Loose Ball Foul. His 4th Personal Foul.
7:05 65-85 Jason Terry enters the game for Devin Harris.
6:52 Tony Parker made 19 ft jumper. 67-85
6:35 67-85 Dirk Nowitzki missed 18 ft two point shot.
6:31 Tony Parker defensive rebound. 67-85
6:26 Tony Parker made driving layup. 69-85
6:26 69-85 Erick Dampier Shooting Foul. His 5th Personal Foul.
6:26 Tony Parker made Free Throw 1 of 1. 70-85
6:05 70-85 Jason Terry Offensive Foul. His 2nd Personal Foul.
6:05 70-85 Jason Terry Turnover
6:05 70-85 Josh Howard enters the game for Doug Christie.
5:48 Tony Parker made driving layup. Assisted by Tim Duncan. 72-85
5:41 Dallas Full Timeout.
5:41 72-85 Keith Van Horn enters the game for Erick Dampier.
5:41 Manu Ginobili enters the game for Michael Finley. 72-85
5:26 72-85 Jason Terry missed 25 ft three point jumper.
5:24 Tim Duncan defensive rebound. 72-85
5:20 Manu Ginobili missed driving layup. 72-85
5:16 72-85 Dirk Nowitzki defensive rebound.
5:13 Manu Ginobili Shooting Foul. His 6th Personal Foul. 72-85
5:13 Dallas Full Timeout.
5:13 72-85 Devin Harris enters the game for Jason Terry.
5:13 72-85 Keith Van Horn missed Free Throw 1 of 3.
5:13 72-85 Dallas offensive rebound.
5:13 72-86 Keith Van Horn made Free Throw 2 of 3.
5:13 72-87 Keith Van Horn made Free Throw 3 of 3.
4:58 Bruce Bowen missed 19 ft jumper. 72-87
4:56 Manu Ginobili offensive rebound. 72-87
4:50 Manu Ginobili made slam dunk. Assisted by Tim Duncan. 74-87
4:28 74-89 Devin Harris made layup. Assisted by Dirk Nowitzki.
4:28 Brent Barry Shooting Foul. His 3rd Personal Foul. 74-89
4:28 74-90 Devin Harris made Free Throw 1 of 1.
4:16 Tony Parker made driving layup. 76-90
3:56 76-92 Keith Van Horn made layup. Assisted by Josh Howard.
3:46 Jumpball: Tim Duncan vs. Devin Harris. Tony Parker gains possession. 76-92
3:34 Manu Ginobili made 26 ft three point jumper. Assisted by Tony Parker. 79-92
3:20 79-92 Josh Howard Bad Pass. Stolen by Manu Ginobili.
3:17 79-92 Devin Harris Shooting Foul. His 2nd Personal Foul.
3:17 Manu Ginobili missed Free Throw 1 of 2. 79-92
3:17 San Antonio offensive rebound. 79-92
3:17 Manu Ginobili made Free Throw 2 of 2. 80-92
3:02 Bruce Bowen Personal Foul. His 2nd Personal Foul. 80-92
3:02 80-93 Devin Harris made Free Throw 1 of 2.
3:02 80-94 Devin Harris made Free Throw 2 of 2.
2:49 Tony Parker made driving layup. 82-94
2:30 82-94 Keith Van Horn missed 23 ft three point jumper.
2:28 82-94 Marquis Daniels offensive rebound.
2:09 82-96 Dirk Nowitzki made 14 ft jumper.
1:54 Tony Parker missed 16 ft jumper. 82-96
1:53 82-96 Dirk Nowitzki defensive rebound.
1:29 82-98 Dirk Nowitzki made 18 ft two point shot.
1:22 San Antonio Full Timeout.
1:22 Fabricio Oberto enters the game for Tim Duncan. 82-98

[texbumTHElife]

Could it be that there are logical fallacies in your arguments? Otherwise, if you hold to your line of reasoning, you must admit that you are a moron.

I'm right either way. Either I'm right that your previous argument has a logical fallacy in it and therefore is not valid or I am right that you are a moron.

I'll let you think about that one.

You are in over your head.

Home is calling you troll.

hahaha, do you even know what you are saying now? That was clearly an attempt to look smart. You dont need to fake it. I am not trolling I am just discussing. The fact that you cant discuss without insulting me tells me you believe at least a little of what I am saying.

[Solid D]

Dirk is not that great of an inside player. He's best on the perimeter. He shoots fadeaways as good as anyone.

Tim is a great inside player. As good as there is in the game.

Two different skillsets. Dirk has never come close to being named to All-NBA defensive team. Tim lives there. Dirk plays at one end of the floor primarily.

The take that Dirk is better than Duncan has no consideration for playing at both ends of the floor. ESPN highlight watching takes don't play in this forum.

[texbumTHElife]

Dirk is known for dissapearing come playoff time. Stepping up in the playoffs is what defines a clutch player and Tim has historically played better in the playoffs than the regular season. Plus if you didn't notice Dirk took over twice as many shots as Tim so of course he'll score more points.

Here is the deal:

I think Dirk is superior to Duncan. Thats it. You guys are not going to change my mind. Tim has more rings yes. Tim has more awards yes. Tim has also had a MUCH better team and coach for the majority of his career, fact. Tim Duncan is one hell of a player but with a game on the line he is so far down the list of players I would go to its stupid. Hell he isnt even top 5 on the Spurs!

[mavsfan1000]

texbum knows what he is talking. Anyways good win by the mavs.

[texbumTHElife]

Dirk is not that great of an inside player. He's best on the perimeter. He shoots fadeaways as good as anyone.

Tim is a great inside player. As good as there is in the game.

Two different skillsets. Dirk has never come close to being named to All-NBA defensive team. Tim lives there. Dirk plays at one end of the floor primarily.

The take that Dirk is better than Duncan has no consideration for playing at both ends of the floor. ESPN highlight watching takes don't play in this forum.

Dirk also played for Don Nelson for the majority of his career. Don Nelson makes no secret about the fact that he doesnt care about defense. The Mavericks are not built around defense like the Spurs are. Tim Duncan is at the bottom of the funnel. Players funnel people into him. Its the defensive system. I am NOTsaying that Tim Duncan's numbers are a product of the system. I am saying he is in a system that helps his numbers.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Im a Spurs fan BTW. The difference is I am an intelligent, realistic and non-homer fan. Once again as I said in my last post I ever argued the significance of the Spurs vs. the Mavericks as far as teams go. All I stated was that Nowitzki is superior to Duncan in almost every way including clutch factor.

Ah, I see, everybody else is wrong and you alone are correct.
Interesting.

Might I suggest that if you are the only person on God's green Earth that believes something, you are probably wrong?

The game is in the past, just so that you know. You might want to rethink your time argument. Or are you engaging in special pleading?

When you try to revise your statement to mean something other than what the vast majority of English speaking readers would understand it to mean, it is an indication that you yourself are aware that your argument is indefensible.

You are stating that you meant that Dirk was only better than Tim in the moment that you make the statement. Will you repeat the statement now?

Clearly, you can't. For that would reveal that past games do factor into your thinking.

You are out of your league. I'm running circles around you here.

Poor defenseless Mavs fan.

[Admidave50]

What does that have to do with my argument? So because Dirk hasnt been in a position to win a game 7 vs. the Pistons he cant be more clutch than Tim Duncan? Are you really going to argue with me about the fact that Tim Duncan is terrible in the clutch? As long as you are pointing out last years playoffs, remember the Sonics series.

"far" more clutch might be too much then, Dirk is an outside shooter and is of course more clutch than Duncan.
I just remember the last playoff game of Dallas when Dirk messed up and they were eliminated.
Last year we still won against the Sonics and we got the champs rings.

I agree with you that tonight Dirk was much better than Duncan tonight, but Tim is known for starting slowly at the beginning of the season.
Look for Duncan after the All Star break!

[leemajors]

dirk was really clutch vs houston last year when he hid in a hole vs mcgrady's d.

[texbumTHElife]

This whole argument was started by me saying Dirk is more clutch than Duncan. In all of your arguments none of you have done anything to disuade that. You have given me personal/team accomplishments that in no way reflect porrly on Nowitzki as a clutch player.

Lets end this now because its clear none of you will argue on a non-biased level.

[Solid D]

Dirk plays no D for German NT. Dirk plays no D one-on-one. Dirk is soft as tissue paper on D. Where has your mind gone Texbum. Haven't you watched Dallas play the Spurs over the years? It doesn't matter what system Dirk's in.

There are not too many NBA players or coaches who would listen to your reasoning.

[Pandaemonaeon]

Dirk doesn't step up come playoff time? What the fuck?

[Admidave50]

Dirk also played for Don Nelson for the majority of his career. Don Nelson makes no secret about the fact that he doesnt care about defense. The Mavericks are not built around defense like the Spurs are. Tim Duncan is at the bottom of the funnel. Players funnel people into him. Its the defensive system. I am NOTsaying that Tim Duncan's numbers are a product of the system. I am saying he is in a system that helps his numbers.

The fact that Don Nelson doesn't care about defense isn't an excuse for Dirk sucking at Defense!

I think that if Donnie didn't care about defense, it was first of all because he didn't have players that can play good D (Nash, Dirk, Finley..)

[texbumTHElife]

Ah, I see, everybody else is wrong and you alone are correct.
Interesting.

Might I suggest that if you are the only person on God's green Earth that believes something, you are probably wrong?

Just because all Spurs fan believe it doesnt make it so


The game is in the past, just so that you know. You might want to rethink your time argument. Or are you engaging in special pleading?

Agreed and I am glad. I am not a Mavs fan and I would rather forget the game.


When you try to revise your statement to mean something other than what the vast majority of English speaking readers would understand it to mean, it is an indication that you yourself are aware that your argument is indefensible.

Please quote to me exactly which statement I am revising as I had no idea I had done so. Perhaps in searching for holes in my logic you never bothered to grasp it in the first place.


You are stating that you meant that Dirk was only better than Tim in the moment that you make the statement. Will you repeat the statement now?

Dirk is better than Tim Duncan, right now. Period.


Clearly, you can't. For that would reveal that past games do factor into your thinking.

You are out of your league. I'm running circles around you here.

Poor defenseless Mavs fan.

You're dillusional.

[texbumTHElife]

Manurules:

My original statement about Dirk being better than Duncan was in regards to this game. Thus it is in the "Game Blog". Then as it became a topic for such heated discussion I let it be known that was in fact how I meant it. As the argument continued I was forced to defend my reasons for thinking Dirk was a better player, thus the clutch argument as well as several other I have made. Its a progression and evolution of an argument, such as humans are accustomed to do.

Forgive my confussion over what statement you were speaking in regards to. I am going up against 5 of you trying to keep track of all the erratic statements you are making to me and forgetting my own. Though, from your posts its clear your shit doesnt stink so i am sure you will take this apology as a chance to mock.

I do think Dirk is better. Yesterday, tonight, and tomorrow.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Dirk also played for Don Nelson for the majority of his career. Don Nelson makes no secret about the fact that he doesnt care about defense. The Mavericks are not built around defense like the Spurs are. Tim Duncan is at the bottom of the funnel. Players funnel people into him. Its the defensive system. I am NOTsaying that Tim Duncan's numbers are a product of the system. I am saying he is in a system that helps his numbers.


Again, you have to attempt to explain away the statistics Tim has accrued and Dirk has not. You can't account for the actual data.

You have to constantly try to modify your theory to explain why Tim has better numbers all the way around.

A person could say to another person that martians exist. When the second person asks for proof, the first person could simply say that they are invisible to humans. There are two ways, then, of accounting for the lack of human sighting of martians: the most obvious and direct way- they do not exist and the less obvious and less direct way which tries to explain away the lack of support by modifying the theory to better accomodate the data= stating that martians are invisible to humans.

The simplest and most direct way of accounting for the facts is usually the best way. The simplest and most direct way of accounting for Tim's superior numbers- 8 times 1rst team all defense, all star every year, two time MVP regular season, 3 time finals mvp, having 3 championships, more double doubles by Tim, the fact that the Spurs in the Tim Duncan era have a higher winning percentage than any other US professional team in any major sport...

The easiest, most logical and direct way of accounting for these facts is to conclude that Tim Duncan is a better basketball player than Dirk.

There are very few if any well known basketball analysts who would agree with your contention that Dirk is better than Tim.

A fairly large group of sportswriter relatively recently voted in favor of the proposition that Tim Duncan is the best power forward of all time.

Dirk does not having anything equivalent to this kind of acclaim from well respected sports writers.

[Admidave50]

Dirk is a better offensive player but Duncan has much better defense and is then a better overall player.

I didn't watch this game but I saw Duncan playing against the cavs, looks like he's more willing to pass the ball instead of shooting. I'm sure that if Tim was more aggressive tonight he would have scored 25+ points, it's just the beginning of the season and Tim doesn't look too motivated..

[texbumTHElife]

Again, you have to attempt to explain away the statistics Tim has accrued and Dirk has not. You can't account for the actual data.

You have to constantly try to modify your theory to explain why Tim has better numbers all the way around.

Its not "modifying" my theory, im explaining it.


A person could say to another person that martians exist. When the second person asks for proof, the first person could simply say that they are invisible to humans. There are two ways, then, of accounting for the lack of human sighting of martians: the most obvious and direct way- they do not exist and the less obvious and less direct way which tries to explain away the lack of support by modifying the theory to better accomodate the data= stating that martians are invisible to humans.

Good point though grossly inapropriate in thsi situation.


The simplest and most direct way of accounting for the facts is usually the best way. The simplest and most direct way of accounting for Tim's superior numbers- 8 times 1rst team all defense, all star every year, two time MVP regular season, 3 time finals mvp, having 3 championships, more double doubles by Tim, the fact that the Spurs in the Tim Duncan era have a higher winning percentage than any other US professional team in any major sport...

I have not argued Tim superior numbers. All I have stated is that superior personal achievment and team achievments dont always equate to a better player. Horace Grant has how many more rings than Karl Malone? Does that make him better?


The easiest, most logical and direct way of accounting for these facts is to conclude that Tim Duncan is a better basketball player than Dirk.

That would be true if it was indeed black and white. However the measure of a players ability isnt just black and white. I feel Dirk has more ability. You believe Duncan does.


There are very few if any well known basketball analysts who would agree with your contention that Dirk is better than Tim.

A fairly large group of sportswriter relatively recently voted in favor of the proposition that Tim Duncan is the best power forward of all time.

Very true.


Dirk does not having anything equivalent to this kind of acclaim from well respected sports writers.

Must I quote Stephen A. Smith in a attempt to show you exactly how much what these "experts" say matters to me?

[mavsfan1000]

The thing is between Dirk and Duncan is Dirk is slightly inconsistent game by game. When his shot is going he is clearly the better player. If it's not going Dirk isn't as effective. Duncan is usually pretty consistent since he hangs around the rim more. On defense Dirk has really improved at that. Calling him soft is dillusional. He is the opposite of that. At times he gets a little too aggresive. Duncan has had more success in the playoffs though so I would give it to Duncan.

[texbumTHElife]

The thing is between Dirk and Duncan is Dirk is slightly inconsistent game by game. When his shot is going he is clearly the better player. If it's not going Dirk isn't as effective. Duncan is usually pretty consistent since he hangs around the rim more. On defense Dirk has really improved at that. Calling him soft is dillusional. He is the opposite of that. At times he gets a little too aggresive. Duncan has had more success in the playoffs though so I would give it to Duncan.


i think this is a very logical statement and I agree with it 100%.

Tim Duncan is FAR more consistent.

[texbumTHElife]

themanurules, good arguing with you. You almost swayed me ;) j/k.

Gotta bail, peace

[Mavs<Spurs]

Just because all Spurs fan believe it doesnt make it so



Agreed and I am glad. I am not a Mavs fan and I would rather forget the game.



Please quote to me exactly which statement I am revising as I had no idea I had done so. Perhaps in searching for holes in my logic you never bothered to grasp it in the first place.



Dirk is better than Tim Duncan, right now. Period.



You're dillusional.

delusional.

You originally stated that Dirk is a better basketball player than Tim Duncan.

When I challenged that statement, you revised your statement to mean that you only meant at the exact time that you were writing this. You indicated that past performance prior to this game did not count since you claimed that you were only stating that Dirk was better than Tim during the actual fleeting moments of the game then being played.

That modification suggests an improbable interpretation of your original statement. Very few, if any, basketball fans would express their belief that player x is better than player y as you did unless they believed that this truth could be supported by empirical evidence from the past.


When you say that Dirk is better than Tim, most people will understand you as thinking that there are statistics from the past which support that view.
Ruling out all past statistics as evidentiary information does not make sense.

In other words, if I say Kobe is better than TMac, most people will believe that I think that there is some relevant empirical support for that view in the past which should be counted as evidence. If after having made that statement, I was challenged to support it and I claimed that all past statistics were not relevant, most people would conclude that I know that I am wrong, but want to be an obscurantist.

[boutons]

What a totally shitty game.
First serious oppoenent, and Spurs fold like a house of cards.

Spurs weren't tired, the season only started this week, last night was an easy game, nobody played any big minutes. Spurs are pooped 3 games into the season?

The Spurs didn't care, were lackadaisical, no intensity, no heads-up whatsoever. Mavs get 12 STLS?

Spus resting on their laurels?
Manu shoots 22%. If he's hurt, sit him.

The Spurs couldn't hit shit, 40% FG, and couldn't stop shit, Mavs shoot FG 50%, Spurs allow 103 pts.
Spurs nearly always lose when they lose the paint, and they lost the paint, 36 - 42 pts

Tony continues to be fricking amazing. Aggressive, but cool and ruthless. But 4 TO for only 3 AST.

Spurs had only 14 AST for 31 FGs, way under their avg AST and under their usual AST/FG %age. Poor team ball.

Finley fizzled again, stone cold.

Beno dribbled the ball off his foot, and generally looked as shitty as possible in 4 minutes.

Well, Pop, how are you gonna get the Spurs to make an effort? If the Spurs continue like that, they'll 3 - 6 after the road trip.

[loveforthegame]

Well, Pop, how are you gonna get the Spurs to make an effort? If the Spurs continue like that, they'll 3 - 6 after the road trip.

Hopefully Pop won't have to do anything. Surely the players (those who should be) are embarrassed by their performance tonight and put a better effort out next game. And all the ones after that.

And hopefully they already have December 1st circled in red.

[callo1]

Comparing TD and Dirk is a joke...there is no comparison.

TD plays HIS position...he is a bigman, therefore he plays where BIGMEN play... INSIDE. Dirk is a very gifted and skilled player but he plays outside far too much. Dirk does not make his teamates better when he is on the court like Tim does.

I don't even know why this thread is even debating who is a better offensive or defensive player.

Don't confuse Dirk having a better stroke from range for Dirk being a better offensive player than Tim...lol thats just crazy.

When was the last time anyone EVER saw Dirk go down low and dominate a game inside?

Like I said, Dirk is a damn skilled player, but shooting from the 3pt line doesn't make the rest of your teamates better.

Why do you think the vast majority of GM's that were polled and asked if they were starting a new franchise and had 1 player in the entire league to pick to build around they would pick Tim?

The answer is simple...Tim can dominate his position and make his teamates better... PERIOD !!

No offense to Dirk, like I said, he is fun to watch and is a fine player, but better than Timmy?...hahahaha not hardly.

[beirmeistr]

theManurules---good argument. You sounded like a trial lawyer. I had to go look up obscurantist in the dictionary. Good word.

[Vashner]

Ok next year training camp needs to be in like Sibera... punishment time...

[Ginofan]

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