Keldon to have dominant primary role in the future for San Antonio Spurs?

[Dhbsr555]

Keldon reminds me so much of Corey maggette

[KobesAchilles]

Keldon reminds me so much of Corey maggette
Whatever happened to that dude? He had so much hype.

[daslicer]

The picture looks gay but to me it doesn't matter as long as he's balling I could not care less about him preferring to have rods shoved up his ass.

[John B]

Keldon reminds me so much of Corey maggette
It’s Ceballos to me, The Garbage Man. The kid just got a knack of scoring even when his number wasn't called, just an old man’s game and at his age. He will be special.

[r0drig0lac]

You guys should have been here 10 years ago when Richard Jefferson was still on the team and he and Luke Walton and other friends took pics on a banana boat wearing short shorts. :lol

Times have changed, but that thread had some good reactions at the time.
wait, is Keldon gay? because obviously RJ is gay af

[Ice009]

wait, is Keldon gay? because obviously RJ is gay af

I'm pretty sure RJ got married (if you're being serious).

[Dejounte]

https://i.imgur.com/wmNXzpA.gif

[bluebellmaniac]

wait, is Keldon gay? because obviously RJ is gay af

Settle down hombre, even if he is, he ain't dating you. Don't go thinking it opens up possibilities. It don't.

[Dingle Barry]

Whatever happened to that dude? He had so much hype.

His athleticism and game fell off a cliff pretty much right after he hit 30 years old.

Always loved his game in his prime and coveted him for the spurs.

[ECOV]

lmao some of yall are dumb asf :lol

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1343631895746252801?s=20


22. San Antonio Spurs | PR: 22

Keldon Johnson is for real

Few things have given me more joy so far this season than watching Spurs second-year wing Keldon Johnson hurl his body into the paint. Sometimes he scores. Sometimes he gets swatted. Sometimes the referees should have blown the whistle. But every time, it’s entertaining...

[B1gduff]

Keldon "Big body" Johnson totally shut down NBA lover boy Zion!

When guarded by Keldon, Zion went 1/7.

[r0drig0lac]

Settle down hombre, even if he is, he ain't dating you. Don't go thinking it opens up possibilities. It don't.

stop designing, kid

[Dejounte]

I was thinking yesterday...

Keldon has a little Charles Barkley (without the post up ability yet) in him.


https://youtu.be/DJAz3yT2mqo

He's got a bit of the same "nasty" as Sir Charles did

[jehawk81]

That type of a picture just isnt normal unless they're gay partners, imo.

Why is his twink bf facing that way and so close to him? His crotch is practically rubbing KJ's thigh. Playing footsies. Twink bf has his hand on KJ's mid section, which is typically how womens pose with their men. Looks like a Christmas pic in their personal home too.

100% gay imo

LMAO pretty much what I was thinking

[B1gduff]

like i said before, league has adjusted to keldon. He needs to adjust his game to take the next step.

He has good looking 3pt shot, and just needs to trust it. He's getting the open look.

That Mid range games, added in, along with some post moves and he should be set.

[John B]

How tall is Keldon now? There’s a picture of him picking-up DJ and he looks massive. And he’s played Siakam, Zion, LeBron/Davis the best that anybody can. But I still can’t see him as our starting PF. Is there comparison of him playing PF position at his size? What makes him the best candidate for the PF position?

I’d rather put Keldon on Doncic, Harden, Kawhi who I know he’ll do a much better job than any of our guys. Lonnie is getting there. DJ I think gambles too much. White is great at help-defense, likewise Vassell with the small size I’ve seen him play. Keldon has that Kawhi-strong and Bowen-closeup-festering who can make you lose balance defense :lol

[Dejounte]

How tall is Keldon now? There’s a picture of him picking-up DJ and he looks massive. And he’s played Siakam, Zion, LeBron/Davis the best that anybody can. But I still can’t see him as our starting PF. Is there comparison of him playing PF position at his size? What makes him the best candidate for the PF position?

I think he's DeMar's exact height. Maybe 1" taller?

IMO, today's qualifications for being OK defensively at PF position are: IQ, Quickness, Strength, Length, with length being the least important.

So if the formula is I (IQ) + Q (Quickness) + S (Strength) + L/2 (Length) = PF defensive rating. 1 = bad, 3 = average, 5 = great

Our PF rotation consisting of: Keldon, Luka, Lyles, KBD, Aldridge, DeMar

Keldon
I= 4
Q = 4
S = 5
L = 3 /2 = 1.5
Defensive rating = 14.5

Luka
I = 1
Q = 2
S = 2
L = 4 /2 = 2
Defensive rating = 7

Lyles
I = 3
Q = 2
S = 2
L = 4/2 = 2
Defensive Rating = 9

Aldridge
I = 2
Q = 1
S = 5
L = 5/2
Defensive Rating = 10.5

DeMar
I = 2
Q = 3
S = 4
L = 3/2 = 1.5
Defensive rating = 10.5

[poopbox]

Not that it matters but that does look gay af, tbh. :lol

So randomly this made me think about something my wife said. About how you can tell if a man is gay or not if he lets another man foot touch his, because men just don't like other parts of men touching their feet. There is also this deep dive about the psychology of relationships and feet touching but not going to get into that on a board about spurs basketball

Hilariously enough she pointed this out about two of my relatives and they both turned out to be gay. Both of them had pictures of other men with them and they are all standing around and there feet are touching in the pictures.

Hilariously enough as a straight man even the thought of another man feet touching mine is gross unless it's some sporting even where we...uh have our shoes off I guess...and I don't really know why I feel this way.

More hilariously both of this guys feet are touching Keldon's. He actually has his toes on Keldon's toes which is :wow

Now personally I don't give a shit. If Keldon turns out to be the player we think he can be I will drive this dude to every gay establishment in San Antonio and passionately wait for him in my car to do whatever it is he got to while there.

[John B]

I think he's DeMar's exact height. Maybe 1" taller?

IMO, today's qualifications for being OK defensively at PF position are: IQ, Quickness, Strength, Length, with length being the least important.

So if the formula is I (IQ) + Q (Quickness) + S (Strength) + L/2 (Length) = PF defensive rating. 1 = bad, 3 = average, 5 = great

Our PF rotation consisting of: Keldon, Luka, Lyles, KBD, Aldridge, DeMar

Keldon
I= 4
Q = 4
S = 5
L = 3 /2 = 1.5
Defensive rating = 14.5

Luka
I = 1
Q = 2
S = 2
L = 4 /2 = 2
Defensive rating = 7

Lyles
I = 3
Q = 2
S = 2
L = 4/2 = 2
Defensive Rating = 9

Aldridge
I = 2
Q = 1
S = 5
L = 5/2
Defensive Rating = 10.5

DeMar
I = 2
Q = 3
S = 4
L = 3/2 = 1.5
Defensive rating = 10.5
Thanks. Does that formula apply to the best onball defender? Or guarding the best player of the game? When Spurs play the Clippers, will Keldon play Kawhi or PG? How about Mavs, Doncic or their PF?

[Dejounte]

My rating for Siakam:

I = 5
Q = 5
S = 3
L = 5/2 = 2.5
Defensive rating = 15.5

I'm salivating at the idea of getting Siakam on this team...

[Dejounte]

Thanks. Does that formula apply to the best onball defender? Or guarding the best player of the game? When Spurs play the Clippers, will Keldon play Kawhi or PG? How about Mavs, Doncic or their PF?

These are just rough calculations, man. I'm not an accredited source :lol

I think it does apply to the best onball defender. If you can guard modern's PFs, you can guard almost anybody (except the pesky quick guards)

For example, a player who I may give the best defensive rating to would be Giannis. Giannis can guard anybody.

[bluebellmaniac]

My rating for Siakam:

I = 5
Q = 5
S = 3
L = 5/2 = 2.5
Defensive rating = 15.5

I'm salivating at the idea of getting Siakam on this team...

I'm putting my call into the FO to get it done.

[John B]

These are just rough calculations, man. I'm not an accredited source :lol

I think it does apply to the best onball defender. If you can guard modern's PFs, you can guard almost anybody (except the pesky quick guards)

For example, a player who I may give the best defensive rating to would be Giannis. Giannis can guard anybody.
Nah I like your formula. And I agree Keldon is the best PF defender we have. But I want him to guard not just the PF, but the best player. I can’t wait to see him guard Kawhi, Doncic and Harden. I think we have a better chance beating those teams with Keldon guarding guarding their best players.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was thinking yesterday...

Keldon has a little Charles Barkley (without the post up ability yet) in him.


https://youtu.be/DJAz3yT2mqo

He's got a bit of the same "nasty" as Sir Charles did

It's like Michael Jordan's career but without the turn around jumper. It's like Dr J's career without the ability to attack the rim. It's like The Iceman's career without the finger roll.

[Dejounte]

It's like Michael Jordan's career but without the turn around jumper. It's like Dr J's career without the ability to attack the rim. It's like The Iceman's career without the finger roll.

Lmao fair words. But if I remember correctly, Barkley didn't have his post up ability until later in his career when he started getting heavier

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lmao fair words. But if I remember correctly, Barkley didn't have his post up ability until later in his career when he started getting heavier

He always had it it's just earlier in his career it was more drop step, hooks and slams at the basket as opposed to the turn around game and sit in the post for 12 seconds looking for somebody to get open like he was later.

He had great quickness so when he dropped his inside foot towards the hoop it was kind of like a speed to power move by a defensive end and with his leverage people would go flying. He just used his big ass as opposed to his hands for force.

[PrimeMinister]

I like the Barkley comparison from the rebounding and hustle standpoint and being a modern day analogue that is as close as we will see in this era of basketball. Same height, long term Keldon probably will stick as a stretch 4, uses his body as a weapon in the paint (facing up more than posting up, but that is today's game) and has some of the best rebounding and ball hunting instincts you'll ever see. It's a different era and Keldon's offensive arsenal reflects that. Not a one to one comparison but it's a fun one and I'm gonna keep making it.

[Dejounte]

I like the Barkley comparison from the rebounding and hustle standpoint and being a modern day analogue that is as close as we will see in this era of basketball. Same height, long term Keldon probably will stick as a stretch 4, uses his body as a weapon in the paint (facing up more than posting up, but that is today's game) and has some of the best rebounding and ball hunting instincts you'll ever see. It's a different era and Keldon's offensive arsenal reflects that. Not a one to one comparison but it's a fun one and I'm gonna keep making it.


https://youtu.be/S7PNpsukH2k

Damn, I forgot how much energy Charles played with. Feels like I'm watching Keldon.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I like the Barkley comparison from the rebounding and hustle standpoint and being a modern day analogue that is as close as we will see in this era of basketball. Same height, long term Keldon probably will stick as a stretch 4, uses his body as a weapon in the paint (facing up more than posting up, but that is today's game) and has some of the best rebounding and ball hunting instincts you'll ever see. It's a different era and Keldon's offensive arsenal reflects that. Not a one to one comparison but it's a fun one and I'm gonna keep making it.

Hey it's free country.

Barkley had a lot of weight and was relatively short cut even at his diminished height. He used that to root people out routinely throughout his career.

That's not Johnson's game. Kawhi Leonard makes more sense.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://youtu.be/S7PNpsukH2k

Damn, I forgot how much energy Charles played with. Feels like I'm watching Keldon.

I'd forgotten how good of a ball handler he was. His drop step to the baseline too.

[PrimeMinister]

Hey it's free country.

Barkley had a lot of weight and was relatively short cut even at his diminished height. He used that to root people out routinely throughout his career.

That's not Johnson's game. Kawhi Leonard makes more sense.

To me, Chuck's trademark was using his strength and instincts to fight for rebounds a dude at his height had no business grabbing. Not to diminish his scoring ability, but that's the first thing I think of. The short, thick dude grabbing boards and taking that shit coast to coast for a high energy slam. Keldon - the fucking mustang, embodies that in spades.

Not a one to one, again. But the energy and presence they have on the court feels familiar to me.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1343352870603796483/tlPlq9KU_normal.jpg
Jordan Howenstine @AirlessJordan
(https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan) 1m (https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1345198811610832896)
Keldon Johnson now has 4 games with 20+ points. Most 20-point games by a Spur in the first 25 contests of his career since Tim Duncan’s 6 in 1997.

[Dejounte]

A SUPERSTAR WAS BORN 1/1/2021

[Atl Spur]

He will be nice, needs to work on his handles though.

[daslicer]

Longterm he can't be a PF but he can play the SF. He kind of reminds me of Artest on the offensive end but with a better offensive game.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1345213970140061696?s=19

[FkLA]

He will be nice, needs to work on his handles though.

I think he'll get there. He does a lot of ball handling at home, tbh.

[Mugen]

This kid is the real deal. Fearless and a great work ethic. There's star potential there tbh.

[Dejounte]

Leading scorer for the Spurs and not even the go to guy yet on offense.

I N S A N E

[Chomag]

Fearless!

[Mugen]

That hybrid pull-up/floater from the FT line in tonight's game was beautiful tbh. He adds that to his arsenal and he can average 15+ regularly by the time this season is done IMO.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1345218201085501440?s=19

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1345217982977470464?s=19

[John B]

Leading scorer for the Spurs and not even the go to guy yet on offense.

I N S A N E
Cedric Ceballos was like that. But I think Keldon is similar with Grandmama Larry Johnson, wide and who knows how to use his body. But whoever, this kid is the real deal.

[jehawk81]

I think he'll get there. He does a lot of ball handling at home, tbh.

LMAO

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1345222848726626307

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAJQrbo7Lhc

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1345216415700316160?s=19


https://youtu.be/yuF2fK5uvaE

[bluebellmaniac]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1345216415700316160?s=19


https://youtu.be/yuF2fK5uvaE

So you're saying he's the second coming of Lauri Markkanen?

[Rummpd]

Build team around him and start trading Gay, DDR, LA ASAP and Spurs in two years could be much better.

[SuperCam]

empty calories like ingram right Robz4000?

[r0drig0lac]

empty calories like ingram right Robz4000?
not specifically speaking of the aforementioned poster, but generally speaking, in the spurtalk view, the only good players in the league are Derrick White and Keldon Johnson, all the others are flawed players (even superstars)

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suGfB1CCwaY

[Robz4000]

empty calories like ingram right Robz4000?

:lol getting evicted over your gf's sister's cats

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suGfB1CCwaY

Thanks Ace!

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1345489354462998530?s=19

[Big Empty]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1345489354462998530?s=19nice!

[koriwhat]

Big body Keldon dominating both sides of the court... Nice!

[John B]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1345489354462998530?s=19
He would beat DJ as the youngest to be in the NBA All Defensive team, his birthday being October and DJ September.

[talkspurs]

He would beat DJ as the youngest to be in the NBA All Defensive team, his birthday being October and DJ September.

I wonder if they would look at when they make the team. In a normal year you would be correct. This year will the awards be a month or more later? If so they could be very close to the same age or KJ could even end up being older. Either way it would be a good problem to have with the two youngest to make all defense team.

[Harry Callahan]

It's starting to look like the Spurs got another gem at the end of the first round.

It's too bad the spurs have to play the LALs three times in the first couple of weeks - that is stupidity from the NBA once again. No chance to really get things together and take a game or two from LAL if things work out right.

[Mr. Body]

It's starting to look like the Spurs got another gem at the end of the first round.

It's too bad the spurs have to play the LALs three times in the first couple of weeks - that is stupidity from the NBA once again. No chance to really get things together and take a game or two from LAL if things work out right.

The league fucked the Spurs during the bubble, too. I can imagine Silver barking out nasally instructions to low key fuck them any way they can.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqx80i6W4AIRf64?format=jpg&name=large

https://twitter.com/br_lonnie/status/1345410295120982016

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqsqlHTVEAADf2J?format=jpg&name=large

[lefty]

Will leave San Antonio for L.A in a few years

[buttsR4rebounding]

So randomly this made me think about something my wife said.

Hilariously enough she pointed this out about two of my relatives and they both turned out to be gay. Both of them had pictures of other men with them and they are all standing around and there feet are touching in the pictures.


Now personally I don't give a shit. If Keldon turns out to be the player we think he can be I will drive this dude to every gay establishment in San Antonio and passionately wait for him in my car to do whatever it is he got to while there.

Does your wife know that you are passionately waiting in your car outside of a gay bar? What does passionately waiting involve?

[poopbox]

Does your wife know that you are passionately waiting in your car outside of a gay bar? What does passionately waiting involve?

Fantasizing about the 23 and 12 Keldon would put up later that night after I drove him from the club to the arena.

My wife is a life long spurs fan to. She would understand.

[widowmaker]

Will leave San Antonio for L.A in a few years


Thats all the spurs are nowadays is a talent farm for super teams.

[daslicer]

Thats all the spurs are nowadays is a talent farm for super teams.

That's pretty much all teams outside of LA,NYC,Miami.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Fantasizing about the 23 and 12 Keldon would put up later that night after I drove him from the club to the arena.

My wife is a life long spurs fan to. She would understand.

Touché

[widowmaker]

That's pretty much all teams outside of LA,NYC,Miami.

Dont forget golden state and soon the bucks.

[tonight...you]

Will leave San Antonio for L.A in a few years
Don't you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby!

[Atl Spur]

Will leave San Antonio for L.A in a few years

Yeah because that always happens��������������������

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/FOXSportsSW/status/1345905955590995969

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1345907079874277376

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq2XQofWMAMlE2Y?format=jpg&name=large

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/FOXSportsSW/status/1345905955590995969

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1345907079874277376

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq2XQofWMAMlE2Y?format=jpg&name=large


KELDON JOHNSON
A NEW HOPE

WHEN ALL JEDI HAVE BEEN KILLED

[timtonymanu]

This guy deserves better and more talented teammates tbh

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/Austinforkeep/status/1345901288316411909?s=09

LMFAO

[NASpurs]

Hopefully Pop and the team don’t kill KJ’s fire.

[FkLA]

Allright Dejounte, I'm on board. He's a star in the making.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/EvanClosky/status/1345917051924307974?s=19

https://twitter.com/bouncepassos/status/1345917125035175938?s=19

[Mugen]

This guy deserves better and more talented teammates tbh

And a competent coach. Hopefully next year tbh.

[John B]

https://twitter.com/Austinforkeep/status/1345901288316411909?s=09

LMFAO
Donovan, you will see him more :lol
Seriously I wasn't excited like this for Kawhi, even the big 3 were doubting Kawhi had it.
Keldon is WAY BETTER than Kawhi at this stage in their career. And with more polishing, he will be much better. And that's scary good

[tim_duncan_fan]

Get this man some help before his mom's brother makes him leave.

[Atl Spur]

Donovan, you will see him more :lol
Seriously I wasn't excited like this for Kawhi, even the big 3 were doubting Kawhi had it.
Keldon is WAY BETTER than Kawhi at this stage in their career. And with more polishing, he will be much better. And that's scary good

Slow down on Kawhi comps...... give it some time:)

[TimDunkem]

He's a fine player. Imagine if we didn't waste the other pick.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JillJelnick/status/1345917925681721344?s=19

Future leader of the Spurs

[John B]

Slow down on Kawhi comps...... give it some time:)
In their 2nd year, Kawhi wasn't doing what Keldon has done in 6 games.. I know it's early, but I still say Keldon is better on their 2nd year. Keldon just knows he belong. Kawhi had to be pushed, convinced. TP didn't even want to give him the ball.

[Dejounte]

Keldon has more potential than Kawhi on offense but his physical attributes may prevent him from reaching Kawhi's level on defense since Kawhi is a freak in that regard.

[John B]

He's a fine player. Imagine if we didn't waste the other pick.
I think the FO was fixated with the stretch 4 mobile big, scoring > defense like the rest of the team. Same thing with Beli/Bryn outscoring instead of playing defense experiment.
Vassell was picked because of his 3 and D ability.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

I liked what I saw in his post-game remarks...he downplayed his own outstanding play due to the team not winning...

I like that he's not a diva and is team-oriented first...

Speaking of divas, we finally get to see Keldon vs Kawhi on Tuesday!!!

[John B]

Keldon has more potential than Kawhi on offense but his physical attributes may prevent him from reaching Kawhi's level on defense since Kawhi is a freak in that regard.
Nah, how he defended Zion, Siakam, Lebron/Davis, and his motor, his leadership and camaraderie.. Keldon has everything gong for him to eclipse Kawhi..

[John B]

I liked what I saw in his post-game remarks...he downplayed his own outstanding play due to the team not winning...

I like that he's not a diva and is team-oriented first...

Speaking of divas, we finally get to see Keldon vs Kawhi on Tuesday!!!

I think Keldon can outmuscle scumbag. I just don't know if he's guarding PG or other bigs. That means Demar will be guarding the scumbag.

[Dejounte]

Nah, how he defended Zion, Siakam, Lebron/Davis, and his motor, his leadership and camaraderie.. Keldon has everything gong for him to eclipse Kawhi..

Five games. I'm a Keldon stan but I play fair. Let's wait until he does it for a full season. Kawhi did it for at least two full seasons.

[John B]

Five games. I'm a Keldon stan but I play fair. Let's wait until he does it for a full season. Kawhi did it for at least two full seasons.
It would be nice if Spurs' meaningful win come against Kawhi. ST will explode :lol

[FkLA]

Keldon has more potential than Kawhi on offense but his physical attributes may prevent him from reaching Kawhi's level on defense since Kawhi is a freak in that regard.

Whoa whoa whoa

KJ at this stage of their careers looks better on offense but to so nonchalantly say that he has more offensive potential than what Nephew has turned into? Neph is a 50-40-90 guy that averages in the high 20s. Has an absolutely unstoppable fade away (both off the dribble and in the post). Elite pull-up game. Unless KJ turns into Durant I'm not seeing how he eclipses Nephew on offense.

[Dejounte]

Whoa whoa whoa

KJ at this stage of their careers looks better on offense but to so nonchalantly say that he has more offensive potential than what Nephew has turned into? Neph is a 50-40-90 guy that averages in the high 20s. Has an absolutely unstoppable fade away (both off the dribble and in the post). Elite pull-up game. Unless KJ turns into Durant I'm not seeing how he eclipses Nephew on offense.

Yes, I realize Kawhi was/ is great on offense. I said KJ has a higher ceiling on that end since:

1) KJ is better than Kawhi offensively was at this point of their careers
2) I've said since the beginning (you can find it in his first summer league games) that KJ's style of offense is Hardenesque. Harden is more legendary than Kawhi is on offense. KJ's game consists of unstoppable drives (he's actually better than what he's displaying these six games) and 3's. He's going to have a full season mastering the drive and mastering his 3s, then he will unlock passing next year. I could see KJ averaging 30+ in his career.

[Dejounte]

I've been right so far about Keldon and am the pioneer of "Keldon will be a star" since the beginning. Y'all have to trust me on this ;)

[NASpurs]

I've been right so far about Keldon and am the pioneer of "Keldon will be a star" since the beginning. Y'all have to trust me on this ;)

"Dejounte"

1 out of 2 is pretty good. :lol

[John B]

Their 2nd year stats:
Kawhi
11.9 pts, 6 rebs, 1.6 assist, 1.7 steals, .06 blocks

Keldon
15 pts, 7.6 rebs, 2.4 assist, 1.4 steals, .08 blocks

It's early, but I can see Keldon averaging in the 20's by the end of the season especially when he starts getting the calls.

[Dejounte]

The crazy thing is Keldon is not even playing up to his usual level right now. His drives have been awkward and the angles have been off. He has a softer touch than what he's currently showing and he's not attacking the usual angles that he does in last year's Gleague.

I think it's the jitters from being a first time starter.

I'd say he's at 70% of his usual Keldon right now. He's got another gear.

[Dejounte]

"Dejounte"

1 out of 2 is pretty good. :lol

I wasn't nearly as high on DJ as I am with KJ. There were no other young guys on the Spurs team when I first signed up on this website. I sure as hell wasn't going to use Kyle Anderson. Using the Dejounte moniker was more of a "next generation Spur" type thing than anything.

[TimDunkem]

Ask to have your name changed to Keldon, tbh.

[timtonymanu]

I wasn't nearly as high on DJ as I am with KJ. There were no other young guys on the Spurs team when I first signed up on this website. I sure as hell wasn't going to use Kyle Anderson. Using the Dejounte moniker was more of a "next generation Spur" type thing than anything.

You should ask Kori Ellis for a name change, tbh

[NASpurs]

I wasn't nearly as high on DJ as I am with KJ. There were no other young guys on the Spurs team when I first signed up on this website. I sure as hell wasn't going to use Kyle Anderson. Using the Dejounte moniker was more of a "next generation Spur" type thing than anything.

Plus SAGirl would have stalked your ass around if you used the Kyle Anderson moniker.

[kht]

Keldon has more potential than Kawhi on offense but his physical attributes may prevent him from reaching Kawhi's level on defense since Kawhi is a freak in that regard.

Stop it... Kawhi is an offensive savant comparable to guys named Kobe and Jordan.

[NASpurs]

Change it to Big Body :lol

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq22mWEXYAAZ4RU?format=jpg&name=large

[Sugus]

Stop it... Kawhi is an offensive savant comparable to guys named Kobe and Jordan.

Wait, what??? Kawhi comparable to Kobe and Jordan???? I don't love Kirby but that's a shit take if I've ever seen one, tbh, put some respect on those guy's names instead of comparing them to a lucky-to-be-FinalsMVP like Nephew.

[Atl Spur]

Keldon has a LONG way to go before he eclipse Leonard’s skill set......cut it out spurs talk! Lol

[Ice009]

Keldon has a LONG way to go before he eclipse Leonard’s skill set......cut it out spurs talk! Lol

It's true that Keldon is looking better at Kawhi at a similar age at this point of the season, but it's also true (just like you said) that he has a long way to go to get to current Kawhi.

[mystargtr34]

Stop it... Kawhi is an offensive savant comparable to guys named Kobe and Jordan.

Yeah let’s stop comparing Keldon to Kawhi in terms of potential. You can argue he is as impactful as a rookie or second year Kawhi but prime Kawhi was basically Jordan on offense since 2016.

[Dejounte]

I never said he didn't have a long way to go to get there. I said he CAN get there (and surpass it). That's not something you can say about a lot of players.

[mystargtr34]

Wait, what??? Kawhi comparable to Kobe and Jordan???? I don't love Kirby but that's a shit take if I've ever seen one, tbh, put some respect on those guy's names instead of comparing them to a lucky-to-be-FinalsMVP like Nephew.

2016-2020 Kawhi was better than prime Kobe. Ain’t no fucking way Kobe is winning any damn championship with Kyle Lowry or Pascal Siakam as his second best player. Or carrying a team to a Conference Finals with LMA as your second option + role players. Kobe needed the decks stacked to compete.

[mystargtr34]

I never said he didn't have a long way to go to get there. I said he CAN get there (and surpass it). That's not something you can say about a lot of players.

Love your posts man but IMO saying Keldon is going to get to prime Kawhi or surpass it is like me saying I’m gonna win a $50m lottery. It can happen, but fuck me the chances are 1 in 10 million.

[Dejounte]

Love your posts man but IMO saying Keldon is going to get to prime Kawhi or surpass it is like me saying I’m gonna win a $50m lottery. It can happen, but fuck me the chances are 1 in 10 million.

Not reading my words, man. I'm strictly speaking offense here. Not overall. I don't know if he will surpass him overall. Anyways, Kawhi has peaked already as a player. Like, it won't be hard to surpass his individual glory because he only had 3-4 years of his prime.

[Atl Spur]

I never said he didn't have a long way to go to get there. I said he CAN get there (and surpass it). That's not something you can say about a lot of players.

We will just have to see.... I’m not convinced of that in the least! We shall see though; I like the kid for what it’s worth.

[Sugus]

2016-2020 Kawhi was better than prime Kobe. Ain’t no fucking way Kobe is winning any damn championship with Kyle Lowry or Pascal Siakam as his second best player. Or carrying a team to a Conference Finals with LMA as your second option + role players. Kobe needed the decks stacked to compete.

I'm too lazy to go compare stats, but no way. Maybe in offensive production, they're comparable? And even then I'd say it's a stretch. Kobe damn well could've taken that Lowry to the promised land, especially given GSW's injuries - you think that Kawhi shot against the Sixers wouldn't be made by Kobe? :lol he had far more difficult tasks, against FAR better defenses, throughout his career. You're also wildly downplaying LMA as a second option and the rest of that 60 win Spurs team, they weren't bad, and Kobe could've perfectly carried them (assuming we're talking about pre-Achilles Kobe). Kobe needed the decks stacked to compete... Just like Kawhi did. Lol. What rings did Kawhi ring when his team wasn't stacked? And before you say it, the Raptors were definitely defensive-stacked, had a load of great roleplayers, a perfectly assembled roster for a run tbh that was just missing a true #1 option, which DeMar couldn't provide.

Thinking on this, though, I should know better than to try and make a point in favor of Kobe on a Spurs board. We might have to agree to disagree here.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/Oc2e0Vzq2ls

I think tonight was the night Keldon looked like a true superstar, and not the Lakers game.

The Lakers game he made a lot of 3s, but they weren't step back 3s or anything like that.

Tonight, Keldon scored by way of acrobatic layups that you only see from past greats.

[r0drig0lac]

https://youtu.be/Oc2e0Vzq2ls

I think tonight was the night Keldon looked like a true superstar, and not the Lakers game.

The Lakers game he made a lot of 3s, but they weren't step back 3s or anything like that.

Tonight, Keldon scored by way of acrobatic layups that you only see from past greats.
the only problem is that according to logic ST it is currently in the category "empty stats player"

[John B]

the only problem is that according to logic ST it is currently in the category "empty stats player"
Spurs played very good competition that’s all it is. Agree last game game was underwhelming. But never Keldon. He goes out there with high motor ALL THE TIME, a manuesque trait if I may make the comparison. I’m in the same boat with everybody, this kid is the real deal. The kid has a lot of fight in him, and he’s fearless. As Dejounte said, we probably have only seen 70% of his skills. By the time he has perfected his drives to the rim, getting calls from the officials, he will be averaging over 20 points.

[r0drig0lac]

Spurs played very good competition that’s all it is. Agree last game game was underwhelming. But never Keldon. He goes out there with high motor ALL THE TIME, a manuesque trait if I may make the comparison. I’m in the same boat with everybody, this kid is the real deal. The kid has a lot of fight in him, and he’s fearless. As Dejounte said, we probably have only seen 70% of his skills. By the time he has perfected his drives to the rim, getting calls from the officials, he will be averaging over 20 points.

relax John, it's an irony, the boy is fantastic, and he was already doing it in his debut year at Gleague and it was obvious that he was going to do it on the spurs (see the posts in the draft of his topic, I had already commented on it), he was already playing bullyball in the gleague and in the bubble (when the opportunity arose), you can't teach hustle and motor, this kid came with this from the factory.
I’m just mocking the logic (which will probably be used to talk about him in other places, when he’s playing fantastic and still collecting loses), the point is that (like Booker or Ingram, or any talent on bad teams or badly assembled) it’s not their fault being in these places, there’s a limit to what these kids can do, not everyone is Lebron James, Tim Duncan, Bill Russell or Larry Bird, and the fact that SA had a superstar in his list for 95% of the history of the franchise, it made people not need to look at that kind of thing in SA, and now they'll probably see that no matter how great the kid may be (and he is), it will be difficult to transform the team without enough help.

[Dejounte]

relax John, it's an irony, the boy is fantastic, and he was already doing it in his debut year at Gleague and it was obvious that he was going to do it on the spurs (see the posts in the draft of his topic, I had already commented on it), he was already playing bullyball in the gleague and in the bubble (when the opportunity arose), you can't teach hustle and motor, this kid came with this from the factory.
I’m just mocking the logic (which will probably be used to talk about him in other places, when he’s playing fantastic and still collecting loses), the point is that (like Booker or Ingram, or any talent on bad teams or badly assembled) it’s not their fault being in these places, there’s a limit to what these kids can do, not everyone is Lebron James, Tim Duncan, Bill Russell or Larry Bird, and the fact that SA had a superstar in his list for 95% of the history of the franchise, it made people not need to look at that kind of thing in SA, and now they'll probably see that no matter how great the kid may be (and he is), it will be difficult to transform the team without enough help.

Empty stat stars is a legit thing.

My view of it is when a player does great on one end (like say, offense) but hurts the team on the other end (defense).

When you're hitting your 2's, 3's but letting your man get by you constantly, or letting guards go around you and easily score.... you're an empty stat star.

DeMar fits this category sometimes. I won't go as far as to say he is one EVERY time. He does help a team win when his mindset is correct. When he goes Kobe mode, it's usually bad.

LaMarcus actually fits this category in a different way. Again, I won't say it is every time. But in cases where he's a blackhole on offense and preventing ball movement because he posts up and takes 10 seconds to score... that's when he becomes an empty stat player.

Other notables:

-Kevin Love was one until he became third fiddle to Wade and James. Maybe that's the lesson here. Empty stat stars can be a third option to championship teams.
-DeMarcus Cousins
-Rudy Gay
-Gilbert Arenas
-Steve Francis
-Carmelo Anthony

These guys, when you put them as your #1 or #2 go to guy (but especially #1), your team isn't going to go anywhere.

I don't think Keldon fits this category because:

1) He's a natural born leader
2) He doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective
3) He's good on both ends
4) He moves the ball around
5) He fires up his team, teammates love him

[SuperCam]

he's just okay with flashes for now. don't get too excited, look around the league because of today's scoring inflation every team even the cellar ones have a JAG scoring 20+ a game who never would have sniffed those numbers five or ten years ago, spur are no exception as a bad team

[CGD]

Love this kid. He’s the only untouchable as far as I’m concerned (maybe Derrick too).

[Dejounte]

BIG BODYYYYYYYYY

Happy, offset formation ?

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1346209399325536257?s=19

Keldon and Tre the only ones in the gym. Other players are slackers.

[John B]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1346209399325536257?s=19

Keldon and Tre the only ones in the gym. Other players are slackers.

Luka should be there also getting stronger. The kid has a lot of potential if he could only realize them.

[Atl Spur]

Luka should be there also getting stronger. The kid has a lot of potential if he could only realize them.

Luka & Lonnie both need some fire! Both very talented but lacking confidence..... if we end up next year starting DW,DV,KJ,JC,JP I’d be happy

[Ice009]

Great work from Keldon and Tre. I hope to see Tre get some court time. Looks like he's not messing around with his opportunity and is working hard to make it.

[Robz4000]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/135600090_10164698789515010_3969414630635620201_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=quhl3WJCnqAAX9Zky7R&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&tp=14&oh=ad8795175326ce78c678840dd8ea293c&oe=601A11F1

[Atl Spur]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/135600090_10164698789515010_3969414630635620201_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=quhl3WJCnqAAX9Zky7R&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&tp=14&oh=ad8795175326ce78c678840dd8ea293c&oe=601A11F1

Hell Naw!!! Lol

[offset formation]

BIG BODYYYYYYYYY

Happy, offset formation ?

Much better. Thank you.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Love your new avatar Dejounte!!! :tu

[Dejounte]

CJrD0rVga53

Keldon commercial

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1346616219215032320

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwlr8KjDRLA


Premieres 1/6/21, 11:00 AM

[look_at_g_shred]

It should be very clear that the spurs are trying to make Keldon the face of the franchise.

[Dejounte]

It should be very clear that the spurs are trying to make Keldon the face of the franchise.

Should there be a question mark at the end of "Keldon to have dominant primary role in the future for San Antonio Spurs" anymore? Hmm...

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErEipBlW8AAdc-P?format=jpg&name=large

https://scontent-mia3-2.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/fr/e15/p1080x1080/135701525_432950611234555_230458945090081563_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-2.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=107&_nc_ohc=YKkyKRKBQlEAX8hcZ8F&tp=1&oh=7c349f928dc3941c8643eedc5ea8d0f6&oe=5FF895F0

[Mugen]

:lol

[jjktkk]

:lolhttps://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288724&goto=newpost

You get shit on more here at ST than a redneck porta potty at a Kentucky carnival. :lol

[Mugen]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288724&goto=newpost

You get shit on more here at ST than a redneck porta potty at a Kentucky carnival. :lol

Uh oh, it's one of the chief Sniffers on the board. How you doing, my man? Hopefully 2021 will be better for your lord and savior :lol

[jjktkk]

Uh oh, it's one of the chief Sniffers on the board. How you doing, my man? Hopefully 2021 will be better for your lord and savior :lol

No need to bow to me Muugy. And here's to you hopefully posting a legit take on here to get 2021 off to a great start for ST. Oh, and also, may you never run out of your Just For Men Touch Of Gray, for Gray Hair buddy :toast

[Mugen]

No need to bow to me Muugy. And here's to you hopefully posting a legit take on here to get 2021 off to a great start for ST. Oh, and also, may you never run out of your Just For Men Touch Of Gray, for Gray Hair buddy :toast

Hopefully you've seen the light that past, past success shouldn't buy anybody a lifetime pass. I know that overweight people are especially hit hard by this terrible disease, so stay safe out there. :tu

[Kevin]

Its crazy at just how inexperienced Keldon actually is in the NBA. Yeah it's his second year but he's only logged 509 NBA minutes which is equal to 14 games of playing time at 36 minutes per games.

Kawhi by comparison had almost 1,900 minutes by the end of his rookie year including the playoffs.

[Dejounte]

CJv-wPKDcRJ

Disappointingly short and provided no new information

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Where would you put Keldon in the 2019 draft order if that draft were to be reset today?

My list would probably be like this...1 thru 10:

1. Ja Morant - 2nd pick in draft
2. Zion Williamson - 1st pick
3. RJ Barrett - 3rd pick
4. Keldon Johnson - 29th pick
5. Tyler Herro - 13th pick
6. Brandon Clarke - 21st pick
7. DeAndre Hunter - 4th pick
8. Cam Reddish - 10th pick
9. Darius Bazley - 23rd pick
10. PJ Washington - 12th pick

I don't know how even a non-Spurs homer would leave him out of the top ten. Not a bad consolation prize in losing Kawhi.

[Dejounte]

Where would you put Keldon in the 2019 draft order if that draft were to be reset today?

My list would probably be like this...1 thru 10:

1. Ja Morant - 2nd pick in draft
2. Zion Williamson - 1st pick
3. RJ Barrett - 3rd pick
4. Keldon Johnson - 29th pick
5. Tyler Herro - 13th pick
6. Brandon Clarke - 21st pick
7. DeAndre Hunter - 4th pick
8. Cam Reddish - 10th pick
9. Darius Bazley - 23rd pick
10. PJ Washington - 12th pick

I don't know how even a non-Spurs homer would leave him out of the top ten. Not a bad consolation prize in losing Kawhi.

I'd probably put Clarke lower. Seems his play is trending down. Bazley seems to be shaping up nice, but his offense looks awkward.

[TD 21]

Where would you put Keldon in the 2019 draft order if that draft were to be reset today?

My list would probably be like this...1 thru 10:

1. Ja Morant - 2nd pick in draft
2. Zion Williamson - 1st pick
3. RJ Barrett - 3rd pick
4. Keldon Johnson - 29th pick
5. Tyler Herro - 13th pick
6. Brandon Clarke - 21st pick
7. DeAndre Hunter - 4th pick
8. Cam Reddish - 10th pick
9. Darius Bazley - 23rd pick
10. PJ Washington - 12th pick

I don't know how even a non-Spurs homer would leave him out of the top ten. Not a bad consolation prize in losing Kawhi.

Tier 1: Williamson, Morant
Tier 2: K. Johnson, Garland, Herro, Hunter
Tier 3: Barrett, Reddish, Clarke, Washington, White, C. Johnson, Bazley, Paschall

[Seventyniner]

With as much success as the Spurs have had at the end of the first round, I'm surprised they didn't trade down from the Vassell/Samanic/Walker picks. I know a dime is worth more than two nickels in this sense, but the Spurs have proven to be very good at player development and having an extra bite at the apple could be immensely valuable.

Counterarguments include the fact that maybe the Spurs did try to trade down and weren't successful, and that there is a such thing as too many rookie contracts/young players on the roster (can't play or pay them all).

[spurspl]

Where would you put Keldon in the 2019 draft order if that draft were to be reset today?

My list would probably be like this...1 thru 10:

1. Ja Morant - 2nd pick in draft
2. Zion Williamson - 1st pick
3. RJ Barrett - 3rd pick
4. Keldon Johnson - 29th pick
5. Tyler Herro - 13th pick
6. Brandon Clarke - 21st pick
7. DeAndre Hunter - 4th pick
8. Cam Reddish - 10th pick
9. Darius Bazley - 23rd pick
10. PJ Washington - 12th pick

I don't know how even a non-Spurs homer would leave him out of the top ten. Not a bad consolation prize in losing Kawhi.

herro keldon swap places
pj higher, probably 7th

id change cam reddish for coby white

damn this draft was pretty good tbh

[r0drig0lac]

Where would you put Keldon in the 2019 draft order if that draft were to be reset today?

My list would probably be like this...1 thru 10:

1. Ja Morant - 2nd pick in draft
2. Zion Williamson - 1st pick
3. RJ Barrett - 3rd pick
4. Keldon Johnson - 29th pick
5. Tyler Herro - 13th pick
6. Brandon Clarke - 21st pick
7. DeAndre Hunter - 4th pick
8. Cam Reddish - 10th pick
9. Darius Bazley - 23rd pick
10. PJ Washington - 12th pick

I don't know how even a non-Spurs homer would leave him out of the top ten. Not a bad consolation prize in losing Kawhi.

Zion

Morant

Hunter
Keldon
Rui

Herro
Barrett
Bazley
Cam
PJ
Thybulle
Reddish

[Sugus]

With as much success as the Spurs have had at the end of the first round, I'm surprised they didn't trade down from the Vassell/Samanic/Walker picks. I know a dime is worth more than two nickels in this sense, but the Spurs have proven to be very good at player development and having an extra bite at the apple could be immensely valuable.

Counterarguments include the fact that maybe the Spurs did try to trade down and weren't successful, and that there is a such thing as too many rookie contracts/young players on the roster (can't play or pay them all).

With the Walker pick, I remember the Spurs at the time said that Lonnie was by far the best prospect on their board at their pick, and they took him without hesitation since he was rumored to go in the lottery before his knee injury close to the draft. With regards to the Luka pick, it's the most debatable one of the three I'd guess (and posters here will never shut up about it, unless Luka makes an All-Star team or something), but a post-draft writeup by timvp indicates the Spurs strongly liked Sammich and didn't think he'd be there at 29. With Vassell, he was rumored to be Boston-bound if he dropped to #14, so there wasn't a lot of margin for negotiation if the Spurs wanted to draft Devin (and even then, they ran out the clock on draft day, presumably on the phone with other teams).

There just isn't much room to maneuver if you're certain that you want a specific prospect. Cases like Tatum's drafting, where Boston was able to both trade down AND get their guy, are the exception and not the rule - and the fact that, in basketball, a dime can be worth much, much more than two nickels also contribute to this.

[Dejounte]

herro keldon swap places
pj higher, probably 7th

id change cam reddish for coby white

damn this draft was pretty good tbh

I don't know, man. My quick glance is that Herro hasn't shown much so far this year and that it would be a joke if he was the core asset that the Rockets trade for if there was a trade between them and the Heat for Harden.

[timvp]

Where would you put Keldon in the 2019 draft order if that draft were to be reset today?

My list would probably be like this...1 thru 10:

1. Ja Morant - 2nd pick in draft
2. Zion Williamson - 1st pick
3. RJ Barrett - 3rd pick
4. Keldon Johnson - 29th pick
5. Tyler Herro - 13th pick
6. Brandon Clarke - 21st pick
7. DeAndre Hunter - 4th pick
8. Cam Reddish - 10th pick
9. Darius Bazley - 23rd pick
10. PJ Washington - 12th pick

I don't know how even a non-Spurs homer would leave him out of the top ten. Not a bad consolation prize in losing Kawhi.

That's close to how I'd put it. I'd keep Zion 1 and put Morant 2. And then the next tier is Barrett, Johnson, Herro, Hunter ... maybe Garland, Bazley and Rui depending on how you want to value scoring on bad teams. Clarke could have an argument for the same tier but he's off to a slow start after getting benched in the bubble last year in favor of the corpse of Anthony Tolliver -- so he's questionable. Probably for now Clarke should stay on a tier with Washington, Reddish, Culver, Cam Johnson and White, which would be above a tier consisting of Thybulle, Grant Williams, Goga and Paschall.

[TD 21]

I forgot about Horton-Tucker. I'd have him replace Paschall, but would still leave Culver, Hayes, Hachimura and Langford outside of the lottery.

I'd comfortably pick Johnson third though. Barrett has DeRozan (aka empty calories) written all over him, Herro and Garland will probably always be defensive liabilities and Hunter probably always limited offensively.

[Seventyniner]

With the Walker pick, I remember the Spurs at the time said that Lonnie was by far the best prospect on their board at their pick, and they took him without hesitation since he was rumored to go in the lottery before his knee injury close to the draft. With regards to the Luka pick, it's the most debatable one of the three I'd guess (and posters here will never shut up about it, unless Luka makes an All-Star team or something), but a post-draft writeup by timvp indicates the Spurs strongly liked Sammich and didn't think he'd be there at 29. With Vassell, he was rumored to be Boston-bound if he dropped to #14, so there wasn't a lot of margin for negotiation if the Spurs wanted to draft Devin (and even then, they ran out the clock on draft day, presumably on the phone with other teams).

There just isn't much room to maneuver if you're certain that you want a specific prospect. Cases like Tatum's drafting, where Boston was able to both trade down AND get their guy, are the exception and not the rule - and the fact that, in basketball, a dime can be worth much, much more than two nickels also contribute to this.

You're right, the Spurs being really high on a guy they have the opportunity to take is another reason not to trade down, especially if they don't have multiple highly coveted targets that are likely to be available with the later picks.

[spurspl]

I don't know, man. My quick glance is that Herro hasn't shown much so far this year and that it would be a joke if he was the core asset that the Rockets trade for if there was a trade between them and the Heat for Harden.

truu but i doubt that houston would be more intrested in a package around keldon than herro. and imo herro showed more value than KJ at least for now. but both of them have a great potential (still not fully unleashed). this and next year should show us whos better. i hope it will be keldon

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/Rohirrim_94/status/1347676081449357313?s=19

Keldon featured in Zach Lowe article

[Sugus]

https://twitter.com/Rohirrim_94/status/1347676081449357313?s=19

Keldon featured in Zach Lowe article

Isn't this the second Lowe article featuring Keldon in like, a month? Damn. It's to be expected though, that analysts will be the first ones to catch on to Keldon's magic.... The casual public will soon follow.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/1349417993009127424

[tonight...you]

https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/1349417993009127424
Well alrighty then.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1349907284554604547

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er4U4NgWMAIeNqz?format=png&name=large

[Dejounte]

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/demar-derozan-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-looks-on-before-the-game-the-picture-id1230660905?s=2048x2048

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-against-the-san-antonio-spurs-look-on-before-the-game-against-the-picture-id1230660701?s=2048x2048

Hope this closes the book on who is taller between KJ and DV. Look at their shoulder height.

[SpursDynasty85]

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/demar-derozan-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-looks-on-before-the-game-the-picture-id1230660905?s=2048x2048

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-against-the-san-antonio-spurs-look-on-before-the-game-against-the-picture-id1230660701?s=2048x2048

Hope this closes the book on who is taller between KJ and DV. Look at their shoulder height.

looks about the same shoulder height, keldon may have the edge but devin probably has a bigger neck as stated multiple times on the forum. they are probably the same exact height. Both are listed at 6' 5" on the spurs too.

[Dejounte]

looks about the same shoulder height, keldon may have the edge but devin probably has a bigger neck as stated multiple times on the forum. they are probably the same exact height. Both are listed at 6' 5" on the spurs too.

If both are 6'5", then Lonnie is 6'3" or 6'2". You can't have both ways. Whoever listed them as 6'5" weren't doing their jobs correctly.

[SpursDynasty85]

If both are 6'5", then Lonnie is 6'3" or 6'2". You can't have both ways. Whoever listed them as 6'5" weren't doing their jobs correctly.


lol. I agree that Lonnie is probably not 6' 5". I believe he is closer to 6'4". With Lonnie I really think he is constantly slouching even when he doesn't look it. But then he can probably straighten every part of his body to eek out 6'4"+. I believe they are using his combine height which they may have needed to do their best to measure him with his hair and probably gave him .5" because of that.

[ismael-robert]

Could just be having more swole shoulders giving them extra inch

[tdominate21]

The dude is a legit 6'6". But more importantly, he is built like a tank. I'd rather have a 6'6" tank at forward than a 6'7" or 6'8 string bean.

[DAF86]

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/demar-derozan-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-looks-on-before-the-game-the-picture-id1230660905?s=2048x2048

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-against-the-san-antonio-spurs-look-on-before-the-game-against-the-picture-id1230660701?s=2048x2048

Hope this closes the book on who is taller between KJ and DV. Look at their shoulder height.

It really doesn't, tbh. :lol They look pretty much the same to me.

[tdominate21]

I saw Lonnie at Walmart on De Zavala a week after we drafted him. He was in front at the self checkout line. I'm an even 6 foot barefoot. He is definitely 6'4. Hair be damned

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

It really doesn't, tbh. :lol They look pretty much the same to me.

exactly.

It doesn’t really help finding out their height because they aren’t standing up straight and they aren’t even side by side. Keldon is a little further in front of Devin in the 2nd photo if you look at the footing placement.

lmao.

[Dejounte]

Keldon Charles Barkey fucking Johnson. That's all I have to say

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1354636456199913480

[Manu-of-steel]

That dunk by KJ was nasty!

[CGD]

I hope Keldon is a spur for a long time. My favorite spur right now.

[Dejounte]

He's had ups and downs this year. Tonight, he was dominating. Very very similar to how Barkley played. In fact, he out-Zioned Zion Williamson (without the crazy hops Zion has)

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1354641353658003458

Loving this fucking team man! Great personalities.

[FkLA]

Big body alpha

[mo7888]

Keldon Charles Barkey fucking Johnson. That's all I have to say

That's a good comp.... if he can develop his 3 and a reliable mid range J he could be the star we need... gotta love how hard he plays

[Dejounte]

That's a good comp.... if he can develop his 3 and a reliable mid range J he could be the star we need... gotta love how hard he plays

His scoring burst during the 2nd quarter was BEAUTIFUL

[mo7888]

His scoring burst during the 2nd quarter was BEAUTIFUL

He's got things to work on but he's just an absolute joy to watch..

[Light]

He's got things to work on but he's just an absolute joy to watch..


Once his skill level matches up to his competitiveness, it's game over for the league.

[Dejounte]

Once his skill level matches up to his competitiveness, it's game over for the league.

He flashed a DeMar fadeaway hop step like five games ago. It was very mechanical though. He gets that down, we have a star.

[Light]

He flashed a DeMar fadeaway hop step like five games ago. It was very mechanical though. He gets that down, we have a star.

He continues to show off moves here and there that give a glimpse at what could be. I thought his crossover tonight was a nice countermove to the defense. I've seen him euro step to change directions, but I don't recall him crossing up anyone before.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/k5gGoMb0_00

[PhantomDashCam]

https://www.nba.com/watch/video/keldon-johnson-emerging-for-spurs?plsrc=nba&collection=2020-offseason-analysis

Discussion post Celts game from NBA TV analysts.

Pretty bare bones with content but Effusive praise for Keldon.

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1354641353658003458

Loving this fucking team man! Great personalities.

I love watching this team. After that mad scramble at the end of the first half when we scored 4 pts in 6 seconds, Keldon went up and was chest bumping Lonnie, and they were jumping up and down. There’s just a joy he has for the game that is infectious. He just put the team on his back in the second quarter, and willed that run by getting every board and loose ball.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's that player that the team was missing when Manu retired. He just brings that energy. Just has to work on his 3-ball and midrange. Kid gon be great

[John B]

Keldon doesn’t settle when his shots are not going in. Instead he would do other things like attacking the rim or getting the offensive rebound, doing hassle for 50/50 ball. If he can sink those 3’s better, practice a mid-range when defenders try to take a charge, or dish to an open guy, he will be a star. I see a Blake Griffin with the way he abuse the rim.

[exstatic]

He's that player that the team was missing when Manu retired. He just brings that energy. Just has to work on his 3-ball and midrange. Kid gon be great

His 3 ball was WET for about the first 15 games. It’s fallen off since. I don’t think it’s broken, he just needs to attain consistency.

[PhantomDashCam]

His 3 ball was WET for about the first 15 games. It’s fallen off since. I don’t think it’s broken, he just needs to attain consistency.

‘It was something Mike Schmitz flagged in his pre draft scouting report. 6:51 mark of this video.


https://youtu.be/szGRaP4DUtg

Love the improvement thus far and his joy for the game and will to compete/improve.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Keldon is on the Jaylen Brown trajectory, maybe even a year ahead of him, although difficult to judge as he only has played 35 NBA games. They have a similar frame and game. Would be fantastic if he continues with the huge leaps and turns into a legit star like Brown has.

[koriwhat]

Keldon is a natural it seems. Similar to White in regards of being in the right spots & taking their time. I love the fact that Keldon doesn't seemed phased to go into the paint and body up.

[Dejounte]

1354913977617289217

@Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) To this Spurg Eyetester Arizona Alum and Sean Elliott Doppelganger Channing Frye's eyetest says 6'7" 6'8" Plays like a 7 footer(easy to do next to a LMA who wants to go home to Portland)

Also Donks ans Spurgs. Maybe Keldons still forming 3 point shot has lost its mark because of the New NBA Protocalls inteferes with his work with Chip...... DO YA THINK!?!?!??!!?


"Sean Elliot Doppelganger":rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin: rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

I was going to post the same response about his shot earlier. The arc on his shot was way too damn high... how's he ever going to gain any shot consistency with that arc?? Maybe they're fixing it...

[RC_Drunkford]

His 3 ball was WET for about the first 15 games. It’s fallen off since. I don’t think it’s broken, he just needs to attain consistency.

he puts too much arch on his shot. That's why when he misses it's an airball

[GAustex]

He may be watching the ball on his shot rather than focusing on the target.
Got to look at the hoop when you let if fly

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1355025466009153537

https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1355028835322871808

[cd021]

His 3pt shot has dropped off but on the plus side he's been killing it from inside the arc, hitting 52.3% on 8.3 2pt attempts. He's going to need to up his 3pt percentage and get to the line more but he's doing well offensively.

[LakerHater]

https://images2.imgbox.com/28/8c/KhkbXeWl_o.gif

[look_at_g_shred]

https://images2.imgbox.com/28/8c/KhkbXeWl_o.gif
Crosses Brown then flushes over Tatum. Gorgeous.

[Kevin]

Fun fact: Barkley averaged more points, rebounds and assists than TD. Kinda unbelievable.

[Dejounte]

How the sophomore stands compared to Barkley, at the same age:



Player
Season
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Barkley
1984-85 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barklch01/gamelog/1985/)
21
PHI (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/1985.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1985.html)
PF
82
60
28.6
5.2
9.5
0.545
0
0.1
0.167
5.2
9.5
0.548
0.546
3.6
4.9
0.733
3.2
5.3
8.6
1.9
1.2
1
2.5
3.7
14


Keldon
2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske04/gamelog/2021/)
21
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2021.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html)
SF
18
18
31.2
5.3
11.2
0.475
1
2.9
0.34
4.3
8.3
0.523
0.52
2.7
3.5
0.778
1.7
5.7
7.4
2.2
0.9
0.6
1.5
2.9
14.4



Keep in mind, different eras.

[ceperez]

https://images2.imgbox.com/28/8c/KhkbXeWl_o.gif

You saw that fear in Tatum.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/FOXSportsSW/status/1355351670897717255

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1355359818089975809

[r0drig0lac]

Westbrook motor, Barkley hustle

[MannyIsGod]

Keldon Johnson is starting to remind me of Barkley tbh. I think y'all nailed it.

[GAustex]

His fast jump on a second jump is outstanding

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/DonHarris4/status/1355369560615088128?s=19

Future All-Star

[J_Paco]

Keldon Johnson is starting to remind me of Barkley tbh. I think y'all nailed it.

I think Barkley was shorter, had longer arms and was a more explosive athlete (even out of shape at times). Keldon doesn't remind me of anyone cause the game lacks a lot of 6'6" SF/PF's with a high motor, solid defense, who relentlessly attacks the paint.

He's an anomaly and we'll just have to see where his ceiling is.

I want to see if he can improve his shot creation and playmaking further. Those are the things that Nephew really developed to become a superstar. Can Johnson (or any of the other youngsters) find that level of untapped ability in their arsenal to become truly special?

[Dejounte]

I think Barkley was shorter, had longer arms and was a more explosive athlete (even out of shape at times). Keldon doesn't remind me of anyone cause the game lacks a lot of 6'6" SF/PF's with a high motor, solid defense, who relentlessly attacks the paint.

He's an anomaly and we'll just have to see where his ceiling is.

I want to see if he can improve his shot creation and playmaking further. Those are the things that Nephew really developed to become a superstar. Can Johnson (or any of the other youngsters) find that level of untapped ability in their arsenal to become truly special?

Charles wingspan, from what I've seen reported, is 6'10". Same as Keldon.

Also, is Charles the Flash? Don't know how much more explosive one can be than what Keldon has displayed so far, for a guy that size.

Murray is starting to show overnight shades of stardom.

[Mr. Body]

Fun fact: Barkley averaged more points, rebounds and assists than TD. Kinda unbelievable.

The '90s were built for iso play with the ridiculous 24-second rule. Timmy played during the most serious defensive era in league history, where stats weren't gonzo. This is a reason why all the triple doubles guards are getting nowadays aren't that impressive to me -- the game is favored to get guards rebounds.

[J_Paco]

https://twitter.com/DonHarris4/status/1355369560615088128?s=19

Future All-Star

As much as we all hate Nephew, we got chill with putting sky high expectations on this kid. Leonard had physical tools that Keldon can't match and a rare ability to retain information to improve his skillset rapidly (at a young but still "advanced" age).

The development plan for Keldon maybe entirely different and we'll have to see how Pop & his staff decide to improve his skillset.

[SpursDynasty85]

Fun fact: Barkley averaged more points, rebounds and assists than TD. Kinda unbelievable.

Not when you consider most of TD’s teams during his prime played nearly the slowest and lowest scoring basketball in NBA history.

[Ice009]

He may be watching the ball on his shot rather than focusing on the target.
Got to look at the hoop when you let if fly

I always try and look at the rim when shooting, but still know where it is even if I can't see it, however, I am pretty sure I read years ago that Steve Kerr said he looks at the ball and follows the ball when shooting. If so, I guess I can't argue with that as he's one of the best 3-point shooters in NBA history.

[Kurgan]

Fun fact: Barkley averaged more points, rebounds and assists than TD. Kinda unbelievable.

Irrelevant considering he never played any defense while TD is one of the GOAT anchors. There's a reason he bounced around multiple teams and never won a title.

[Dejounte]

As much as we all hate Nephew, we got chill with putting sky high expectations on this kid. Leonard had physical tools that Keldon can't match and a rare ability to retain information to improve his skillset rapidly (at a young but still "advanced" age).

The development plan for Keldon maybe entirely different and we'll have to see how Pop & his staff decide to improve his skillset.

Stats don't lie. His trajectory is starting to show something special.

Yes, Kawhi's a completely different player because of his freak length. 2nd year Keldon blows Kawhi's offensive skills out of the water. Fact.

Kawhi and his robotic way of learning skills can go fuck himself.

Hopefully KJ continues learning post moves from DeMar. I've seen a couple moves already.

[J_Paco]

Charles wingspan, from what I've seen reported, is 6'10". Same as Keldon.

Also, is Charles the Flash? Don't know how much more explosive one can be than what Keldon has displayed so far, for a guy that size.

Murray is starting to show overnight shades of stardom.

They're isn't any official listing of Barkley's wingspan, but it is rumored he had a 6'10" wingspan, you have to remember that he was only 6'4 maybe 6'5" with shoes.

You need to go back and watch Barkley tape if you really think him & Keldon are similar athletes. I love Keldon and his game, but Barkley was a special athlete being that he was only 6'4", often out of shape (can't say the same about Keldon) and had to finish through guys like Olajuwon, Robinson, Ewing, Mourning, O'Neal and Mutombo.

Keldon is an inch or two taller and has a reported 6'9" wingspan (measured at the NBA pre-draft combine), so they aren't completely built the same.

I just want the kid to continue to work on his craft & be the best Keldon Johnson he can be.

[Kurgan]

Nobody projected Kawhi to become a superstar during his 2nd season. On Spurstalk or anywhere else. It's ridiculous to throw that expectation at Keldon when we never did it with Kawhi back then.

[Dejounte]

They're isn't any official listing of Barkley's wingspan, but it is rumored he had a 6'10" wingspan, you have to remember that he was only 6'4 maybe 6'5" with shoes.

Keldon is an inch or two taller and has a reported 6'9" wingspan (measured at the NBA pre-draft combine), so they aren't completely built the same.

I just want the kid to continue to work on his craft & be the best Keldon Johnson he can be.

Yeah, I mean, my intent is not to impose a 1 to 1 comparison to Barkley. But there's shades of it there. Especially with the whole guard body but playing like a big going on.

[GAustex]

He got some Bonzi Wells going on

[J_Paco]

Yeah, I mean, my intent is not to impose a 1 to 1 comparison to Barkley. But there's shades of it there. Especially with the whole guard body but playing like a big going on.

Right, I get that. I saw a lot of P.J. Tucker in Keldon (a guy also of similar size to Keldon & Barkley) during the bubble and I clearly think he has more upside.

I'd take the best of both world or some of both guys, but I really want to see if Keldon can play full-time SF or be a primary ballhandler/playmaker.

And can he get his shot creation up to a level that stars (DeMar DeRozan) and superstars like Nephew have?

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1355382291053359107?s=19

[J_Paco]

He got some Bonzi Wells going on

Another guy that is solid comp and was definitely a Spur killer in his prime.

[Seventyniner]

The '90s were built for iso play with the ridiculous 24-second rule. Timmy played during the most serious defensive era in league history, where stats weren't gonzo. This is a reason why all the triple doubles guards are getting nowadays aren't that impressive to me -- the game is favored to get guards rebounds.

The whole "long shots = long rebounds" thing combined with teams taking so many threes makes this quite plausible. But I haven't actually seen the numbers: does anyone know where there is data about how rebounds are distributed by height/position and the average distance from the basket a rebound goes?

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1355363506204397569?s=09

[Dejounte]

Right, I get that. I saw a lot of P.J. Tucker in Keldon (a guy also of similar size to Keldon & Barkley) during the bubble and I clearly think he has more upside.

I'd take the best of both world or some of both guys, but I really want to see if Keldon can play full-time SF or be a primary ballhandler/playmaker.

And can he get his shot creation up to a level that stars (DeMar DeRozan) and superstars like Nephew have?

I'm fine with Keldon not ever becoming a primary ball handler, especially when our future has capable ones already. Let our guards be guards and let Keldon develop into a go to player down the stretch, Paul Pierce style. He also excels at getting offensive rebounds, so why not let him do what he does best and let other players handle the ball. Not everyone has to be a point forward. I loved the balanced attack those Celtics had (with the KG-Allen-PP trio).

[NASpurs]

Just a passing thought but I wonder if KJ has any kind of post up game. It would be detrimental to the team and clog shit up but if he ever gets a guard defending him, I wonder if he can post them up and be successful in the post. Maybe that's his next evolution because that's what guys like Barkley and Bonzi Wells used to do (the post up). But at this point with the current roster and the way the game has changed, I hope he keeps improving his 3.

Anyway I was just watching a Bonzi Wells hightlight video as a refresher and KJ's comparison is so spot on. I remember Bonzi being such a fucking pain in the ass especially in Sacramento with Ron Artest.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odRRUHWyLH0

[Light]

I'm fine with Keldon not ever becoming a primary ball handler, especially when our future has capable ones already. Let our guards be guards and let Keldon develop into a go to player down the stretch, Paul Pierce style. He also excels at getting offensive rebounds, so why not let him do what he does best and let other players handle the ball. Not everyone has to be a point forward. I loved the balanced attack those Celtics had (with the KG-Allen-PP trio).

Mostly agree with this. I'd like to see him be able to pass off of his drives. It would allow the offense to flow through him when defenses get into a zone.

[spurraider21]

bonzi is the closest thing i can think of offensively. the barkely comparisons are a bit absurd. charles was an even more imposing athlete and imo had a lot more skill than keldon shows.

but if you really wanted to make a HOFer comparison, he plays much more like worthy than barkley

[John B]

Cedric “Garbageman” Ceballos. No drawn plays but gets 20 a night just on put backs, and just knowing his ways around the rim. But also the rebounding and motor of no other than The Worm. Keldon just has a knack at getting the rebound, such quick 2nd jump. Rodman also defended bigger men, including Shaq, with his strong legs and back and quick hands. Yep combination of Garbageman and Worm for me.

[spurraider21]

ceballos isn't a bad one. just hopefully without the fake blindfold dunk

[Kevin]

Barkley VS TD fun facts advanced stats edition: Barkley has the higher career PER, BPM and ORTG and WS Per 48 minutes. Barkley also averaged almost twice as many steals as TD although Tim destroys him in blocks.

TD's career VORP is only 11 points higher than Chucks despite playing in 319 more games.

If Chuck had even one ring he would be right up there for PF goat. Really underrated player.

[John B]

ceballos isn't a bad one. just hopefully without the fake blindfold dunk
Keldon = Garbageman and Worm molded into one.
DJ = Gary Payton
Vassell - Scottie Pippen

[spurraider21]

Keldon = Garbageman and Worm molded into one.
DJ = Gary Payton
Vassell - Scottie Pippen
way too early for vassell while he's averaging like 5 ppg and no playmaking :lol

[John B]

way too early for vassell while he's averaging like 5 ppg and no playmaking :lol
Bruh already better than Kawhi rookie on steals/to ratio. And his high release, silky touch. Vassell is Scottie in the making, book it! :lol

[spurraider21]

Bruh already better than Kawhi rookie on steals/to ratio. And his high release, silky touch. Vassell is Scottie in the making, book it! :lol
thats a random as fuck ratio to monitor :lol

never heard that one be mentioned before vassell. wonder what the next stat will be for a spurstalk pet... steals/48 to attempts blocked ratio?

i like Devin, but Pippen comp is ridiculous

[John B]

thats a random as fuck ratio to monitor :lol

never heard that one be mentioned before vassell

I've seen forums with steals/turnovers as far back as 5 years ago.

CP3 has 6 seasons with more steals than turnovers. Almost equal amount on his career. 1641 steals and 1683 tov.
Stockton is the career leader in steals and still has almost 1000 more turnovers than steals.

[spurraider21]

I've seen forums with steals/turnovers as far back as 5 years ago.

CP3 has 6 seasons with more steals than turnovers. Almost equal amount on his career. 1641 steals and 1683 tov.
Stockton is the career leader in steals and still has almost 1000 more turnovers than steals.



mccollum is doing so this year too, and turnovers would scale with usage. vassell's usage is very low right now, so the low turnovers arent surprising at all. he's been awfully passive on offense, so the opportunity for turnovers ins't really there. same reason a guy like bertans has the lowest turnover% in the league this year (just catch and shoot, doesnt do anything to put the ball in play). vassell doesnt even have enough numbers to qualify on the turnover% list on bball reference :lol

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_advanced.html#advanced_stats::tov_pct

[Dejounte]

Pippen lmao no.

Devin is nowhere as near as physically imposing

[John B]

Pippen lmao no.

Devin is nowhere as near as physically imposing
I don’t remember Pippen as physically imposing but smooth and silky touch. I’m not saying he didn’t slam it on Ewing, but he’s more of a finesse player than imposing.

I’m not saying Vassell is right now. But the kid has smooth high release, beautiful shot. And advanced defensive skills. Pippen. I’m entitled to my opinion. :lol:lol

[Kevin]

The development of Kawhi from a 3&D wing to a top five player really skewed how Spurs fans see future player development. Odds are Lonnie, Keldon and Murray end up closer to a Josh Howard level player than the numerous HOF'er listed thus far.

[TD 21]

Pippen was/is 6'8'' in shoes, 225-230 lbs, with a 7'3'' wingspan.

Vassell is 6'7'' in shoes, 195 lbs, with a 6'10'' wingspan.

The best comp for Vassell is probably Mikal Bridges (less than an inch shorter, but 15 pounds heavier and 4 inches longer). He stayed an extra season in college and was 2 years older when drafted and in his third season has emerged as an elite 3 and D wing and cutter.

[exstatic]

Pippen was/is 6'8'' in shoes, 225-230 lbs, with a 7'3'' wingspan.

Vassell is 6'7'' in shoes, 195 lbs, with a 6'10'' wingspan.

The best comp for Vassell is probably Mikal Bridges (less than an inch shorter, but 15 pounds heavier and 4 inches longer). He stayed an extra season in college and was 2 years older when drafted and in his third season has emerged as an elite 3 and D wing and cutter.

You don’t think much of Devin, do you?

[TD 21]

You don’t think much of Devin, do you?

Not sure if serious, but either way I meant that as a compliment.

[r0drig0lac]

way too early for vassell while he's averaging like 5 ppg and no playmaking :lol

I like how that was the only thing that you found worthy of correction lol

[spurraider21]

I like how that was the only thing that you found worthy of correction lol
most egregious to be sure

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1356465792603332609?s=19

[Ice009]

Great, great attitude from Keldon. Better than what mine is right now in regard to the Spurs. He's legit.