Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures

[tholdren]

Following me into the Spurs forum now. :lmao Obsessed :lmao Meltdoooooownnnnn

lolololI'll you lied about covid for sympathy. LolIoll

[TimDunkem]

Bwahaha F5F5F5F5F5

[tholdren]

Bwahaha F5F5F5F5F5
Copying me. Lololol he's in love

[ElNono]

Bwahaha Bumdren talking about being followed. :lmao

And today was a slow day for th:lolldren
https://i.imgur.com/uygsntG.jpg

lmao

[rmt]

Meh. Fuck masks. Either give it 100% or not at all.

Besides, distance learning is better anyway. Works with more peoples' schedules, no more commuting, buses, no more kids getting bullied at school for not dressing like the other kids, and you're spotting kids an extra 30+ minutes of sleep by having online education. Plus, less operating expenses (A/C, cafeteria labor, etc).

Online education is a win-win for everyone involved.

How come some old fucks just don't get the point?!

Lol - I don't need the advantages of learning at home pointed out as I home schooled my 3 kids from birth up to high school. Three quarters of the students in this county qualify for free or reduced lunch (they are low income)/their parent(s) need to work. Distance learning requires that students be supervised - especially the younger ones cannot stay at home alone.

[hater]

Yeah ppl miss the point that schools act as a childcare for kids. :lol

They actually learn very little as they have to go at the pace of the stupidest kids in class which is borderline retarded pace :lol (see ducks and other posters here)

So yeah we need childcare. Some solution could be some kind of neighborhood, close knit group home schooling organized by parents themselves. Some moms dont work and if willing to earn bucks could volunteer to babysit 5-10 family/neighbor kids

[rmt]

Yeah ppl miss the point that schools act as a childcare for kids. :lol

They actually learn very little as they have to go at the pace of the stupidest kids in class which is borderline retarded pace :lol (see ducks and other posters here)

So yeah we need childcare. Some solution could be some kind of neighborhood, close knit group home schooling organized by parents themselves. Some moms dont work and if willing to earn bucks could volunteer to babysit 5-10 family/neighbor kids

You cannot homeschool other people's kids. 5-10 kids would require a daycare/school license.

[Blake]

You cannot homeschool other people's kids. 5-10 kids would require a daycare/school license.

Daycare during the workday and then the parents school at night.

[tholdren]

Daycare during the workday and then the parents school at night.

Lol so no school but daycare. Lolollololokkokokolkloolololol

[Blake]

Lol so no school but daycare. Lolollololokkokokolkloolololol

Less kids, less adults. Because math.

[tholdren]

Less kids, less adults. Because math.

lolooooooooooooolololololol9lolooll

Wrong

[TimDunkem]

bwahahaha mashing your qwerty keyboard in your bunker bwahahaha old washed-up boomer

[hater]

You cannot homeschool other people's kids. 5-10 kids would require a daycare/school license.

No I didnt say homw school. They would do virtual public school. The parent would only supervise the kids.

[boutons_deux]

Who is going to get fired?

CDC Refuses to Change School Reopening Policy Despite Pressure from Trump

will not bow to pressure from President Donald Trump,

CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield said (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/09/politics/cdc-guidelines-school-reopenings/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CN N+-+Most+Recent%29) additional reference documents will be provided instead.

“It’s not a revision of the guidelines;

it’s just to provide additional information to help schools be able to use the guidance we put forward.”https://www.politicususa.com/2020/07/09/cdc-refuses-to-change-school-reopening-policy-despite-pressure-from-trump.html

[Blake]

lolooooooooooooolololololol9lolooll

Wrong

tholderp

[tholdren]

tholderp

Don't go to skool g0 to dAYCaRE

LoloIokokokiol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Lol - I don't need the advantages of learning at home pointed out as I home schooled my 3 kids from birth up to high school. Three quarters of the students in this county qualify for free or reduced lunch (they are low income)/their parent(s) need to work. Distance learning requires that students be supervised - especially the younger ones cannot stay at home alone.

Parents are WFH anyway, so what's the point?

[Blake]

Don't go to skool g0 to dAYCaRE

LoloIokokokiol

I didn't mean a daycare facility. I meant parents caring for other kids during the day as hater was talking about.

Carry on mashing the l and o keys

[tholdren]

I didn't mean a daycare facility. I meant parents caring for other kids during the day as hater was talking about.

Carry on mashing the l and o keys

Lololololoo9ooikIooool

Great idea. Lololololol

[pgardn]

Lololololoo9ooikIooool

Great idea. Lololololol

So you have restated this about 1/100 th times?

[TimDunkem]

Bwahaha Tholdren pwned :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Narratives challenged.

Jump to July, when cases of COVID-19 are spiking, putting Israel high on the list of countries who’ve lost control of the virus’ contagion; the economy is cratering, with unemployment at about 23 percent, and the new government is on the verge of collapse.

What happened?

If you ask Dr. Siegal Sadetzki, the head of the nation’s public health service, who served as an Israeli Dr. Anthony Fauci for the past six months and quit her job on Tuesday, the government “has lost its compass.”

“Israel is heading to a dangerous place,” she wrote in an 8,000-word indictment of the government’s failure to prepare in any way for a resurgence of illness.

“Despite systematic and repeated warnings through various channels, and discussions in several forums, we are watching with frustration as the hourglass of opportunities runs low,” she warned.

“I have come to the conclusion that in the newly created conditions under which my professional opinion is not accepted—I can no longer help to effectively cope with the spread of the virus.”

All this may sound familiar to Americans in the many states where the virus infections are now spiking. But … it gets worse.

During the six wasted weeks, the period singled out by Sadetzki, schools were chaotically reopened and then, as infections soared, re-shuttered. Parents were unable to foresee reentering the workforce. The public was instructed to wear masks—but no system of enforcement was put into place. The lists of permitted and prohibited activities shifted daily, with little or no explanation. While Netanyahu actively pursued his (since scuttled) dream of annexing significant parts of the occupied West Bank, the number of Israelis diagnosed with COVID-19 multiplied by 499 percent.

Ashdod, a city on the Mediterranean coast, emerged as a top locus of infection, but no Israeli official could explain why the breezy, fun beach town, where citizens live outdoors during the summer, gained almost 700 COVID-19 patients during the month of June.

Criticizing the government’s “hesitant response,” Ran Balicer, a professor of public health and a member of Israel’s national Epidemic Management Team, said in an interview that “no place on earth has seen a spike in morbidity [the disease rate] like Israel’s."

Tuesday was Israel’s worst day of contagion, with 1,400 new cases of COVID-19 announced, a record since the start of the outbreak.

Event spaces, bars, and gyms have been re-shut but instructions regarding public transportation remain unclear, and the transport and finance ministers squabble on the airwaves.

On Tuesday, in testimony to the Israeli parliament, Dr. Udi Kliner, Sadetzki’s deputy, reported that schools—not restaurants or gyms—turned out to be the country’s worst mega-infectors.

www.thedailybeast.com/the-second-wave-of-covid-hits-israel-like-a-tsunami

[leemajors]

Meh. Fuck masks. Either give it 100% or not at all.

Besides, distance learning is better anyway. Works with more peoples' schedules, no more commuting, buses, no more kids getting bullied at school for not dressing like the other kids, and you're spotting kids an extra 30+ minutes of sleep by having online education. Plus, less operating expenses (A/C, cafeteria labor, etc).

Online education is a win-win for everyone involved.

How come some old fucks just don't get the point?!

You don't have kids and have no idea what you are talking about, as usual. A considerable amount of children don't have internet access in large cities.

[ChumpDumper]

In want schools to reopen; just not stupidly. It's starting to look stupid.
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[tholdren]

So you have restated this about 1/100 th times?

ifr 1/2 flu. Lol

[Blake]

You don't have kids and have no idea what you are talking about, as usual. A considerable amount of children don't have internet access in large cities.

The kids without internet is a tough thing. Maybe provide them air cards?

[hater]

Lol 3rd world shithole problems

[TSA]

You don't have kids and have no idea what you are talking about, as usual. A considerable amount of children don't have internet access in large cities.

So true.

"Starting the year online will pose challenges, many parents and educators say, including how some students will access instruction without laptops or internet access at home.

Gaps in internet access proved to be one of the biggest hurdles to distance learning after schools closed this spring. In Nashville schools, about 31% of students do not have a computer at home and nearly 20% do not have access to internet."

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/education/2020/07/09/metro-schools-academic-year-start-online-nashville-students/5383315002/

[TimDunkem]

45% sets 2s "so much skill" bwahahaha

[TSA]

Public Health Agency of Sweden

Summary
This report is a comparison between Finland and Sweden, two in many ways similar countries who applied different measures regarding schools during the covid-19 pandemic. There is no difference in the overall incidence of the laboratory confirmed covid-19 cases in the age group 1-19 years in the two countries and the number of laboratory confirmed cases does not fluctuate with school closure or change in testing policy in Finland. In Sweden, the number of laboratory confirmed cases is affected by change in testing policy. Severe covid-19 disease as measured in ICU admittance is very rare in both countries in this age group and no deaths were reported. Outbreak investigations in Finland has not shown children to be contributing much in terms of transmission and in Sweden a report comparing risk of covid-19 in different professions, showed no increased risk for teachers.In conclusion, closure or not of schools had no measurable direct impact on the number of laboratory confirmed cases in school-aged children in Finland orSweden. The negative effects of closing schools must be weighed against the positive indirect effects it might have on the mitigation of the covid-19 pandemic.

Conclusions
•Closing of schools had no measurable effect on the number of cases of covid-19 among children.
•Children are not a major risk group of the covid-19 disease and seem to play a less important role from the transmission point of view, although more active surveillance and special studies such as school and household transmission studies are warranted. •The negative effects of closing schools must be weighed against the possible positive indirect effects it might have on the mitigation of the covid-19 pandemic.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/contentassets/c1b78bffbfde4a7899eb0d8ffdb57b09/covid-19-school-aged-children.pdf

[leemajors]

The kids without internet is a tough thing. Maybe provide them air cards?

I know in Austin they are deploying school buses as mobile WiFi stations, but we will see how it works. Still seems like people would need to gather for it? All the students at my daughters school have Chromebooks, but it is an Arts Academy and I don't know if they will try and pass those out at all levels or not.

[rmt]

Daycare during the workday and then the parents school at night.

Who is going to pay for this daycare? The parents? school? Parents are going to work all day, come home and school at night? Right?

[rmt]

No I didnt say homw school. They would do virtual public school. The parent would only supervise the kids.

So the parent must be at home to supervise the kids - they can't go to work, right?

[rmt]

Parents are WFH anyway, so what's the point?

You think all parents can work/are working from home?

[Blake]

I know in Austin they are deploying school buses as mobile WiFi stations, but we will see how it works. Still seems like people would need to gather for it? All the students at my daughters school have Chromebooks, but it is an Arts Academy and I don't know if they will try and pass those out at all levels or not.

My nieces took home Chromebooks in the spring too and they are in a Northside isd elementary school.

The bus wifi station is interesting. I wonder where they park and for how long

[Blake]

Who is going to pay for this daycare? The parents? school? Parents are going to work all day, come home and school at night? Right?

Shit, even before all this it's always been work all day and then come home and help kids with school work at night.

I was referring to the notion of a few parents watching each other's kids until we flatten the curve enough to get back to school but that's a decent question I don't really have an answer for.

Further, when we send them all back, how will bills get paid when a kid(s) contracts covid and has to quarantine at home with parent supervision for at least two weeks?

There are a lot of unanswered questions in regards to opening brick and mortar schools back up.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You don't have kids and have no idea what you are talking about, as usual. A considerable amount of children don't have internet access in large cities.

:lmao Bro, this is 2020, not 2000. Impoverished people get free/subsidized internet these days. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

You think all parents can work/are working from home?

Anyone with a reasonably adult-like job, except for the healthcare industry, is currently WFH... this includes

-Finance
-HR
-Inside sales
-Accounting
-Marketing
-Executives
-IT & Business Analytics
-Other corporate business people
-Most stable government jobs

etc.

Healthcare folks... doctors, nurses, pharmacists... law enforcement, etc... sorry y'all have had to put up with a lot.

Anything else not listed, isn't an adult job. Get an adult job.

[rmt]

Shit, even before all this it's always been work all day and then come home and help kids with school work at night.

I was referring to the notion of a few parents watching each other's kids until we flatten the curve enough to get back to school but that's a decent question I don't really have an answer for.

Further, when we send them all back, how will bills get paid when a kid(s) contracts covid and has to quarantine at home with parent supervision for at least two weeks?

There are a lot of unanswered questions in regards to opening brick and mortar schools back up.

There are all kinds of safety, legal issues concerning parents looking after others' kids - schools are not going to be involved with that. Besides, you have to prove attendance in order to get funding and award credits. During the regular school year (early covid), the state accepted student portal sign on as proof of attendance but that's not good enough for summer school or fall - too easy to get someone to sign on with your password and claim you attended class.


Regarding getting covid - it would be the same as contracting any long or short term health issue - the parents. If long term, school has to make arrangements to continue education.

[Blake]

There are all kinds of safety, legal issues concerning parents looking after others' kids - schools are not going to be involved with that. Besides, you have to prove attendance in order to get funding and award credits. During the regular school year (early covid), the state accepted student portal sign on as proof of attendance but that's not good enough for summer school or fall - too easy to get someone to sign on with your password and claim you attended class.


Regarding getting covid - it would be the same as contracting any long or short term health issue - the parents. If long term, school has to make arrangements to continue education.

How do you think all this was resolved this past spring?

[rmt]

How do you think all this was resolved this past spring?

Is that your idea - to continue what was done this past spring. The state will not CONTINUE to give leeway regarding attendance, waivers for testing/requirements/graduation, etc. I think there was a relaxing of work, attendance, testing - basically of everything that keeps kids accountable and learning because of covid. It cannot continue if kids are to be at the level they're supposed to be at or for any diploma to be worth the paper it's printed on.

[tholdren]

Anyone with a reasonably adult-like job, except for the healthcare industry, is currently WFH... this includes

-Finance
-HR
-Inside sales
-Accounting
-Marketing
-Executives
-IT & Business Analytics
-Other corporate business people
-Most stable government jobs

etc.

Healthcare folks... doctors, nurses, pharmacists... law enforcement, etc... sorry y'all have had to put up with a lot.

Anything else not listed, isn't an adult job. Get an adult job.

Or factory jobs or retail or grocery or service or education or manual labor. Or......

[Millennial_Messiah]

Or factory jobs or retail or grocery or service or education or manual labor. Or......

Those are all kid jobs, except for education, which generally falls under the category of "stable government jobs".

Any kid can use their two hands and two legs for labor. That's why they don't pay much or require education or experience. Adult jobs require the use of the most important part of the human body: the brain.

Get an adult job.

[Nbadan]

Gonna have to give teachers hazard pay because kids are one walking/talking virus. Scenario 1: Schools open and kids get infected, what the districts gonna do? Close the schools? Then what? Scenario 2: Homeschool with some school time: not all kids learn the same way. Some trive on tech, others need oral or kinesic instruction...so, how do we measure student success? Scenario 3: Full time home instruction....on avg. adults in the US know about 8th grade math, reading, history...part of the reason we are where we are today...so, what happens with HS kids who parents can't do basic algebra 2?

[Blake]

Is that your idea - to continue what was done this past spring. The state will not CONTINUE to give leeway regarding attendance, waivers for testing/requirements/graduation, etc. I think there was a relaxing of work, attendance, testing - basically of everything that keeps kids accountable and learning because of covid. It cannot continue if kids are to be at the level they're supposed to be at or for any diploma to be worth the paper it's printed on.

I don't understand why you think they wouldn't give the same leeway as the spring or figure out a better solution for attendance log in requirements.

What's your idea exactly for what all schools in America should do?

[Blake]

Gonna have to give teachers hazard pay because kids are one walking/talking virus. Scenario 1: Schools open and kids get infected, what the districts gonna do? Close the schools? Then what? Scenario 2: Homeschool with some school time: not all kids learn the same way. Some trive on tech, others need oral or kinesic instruction...so, how do we measure student success? Scenario 3: Full time home instruction....on avg. adults in the US know about 8th grade math, reading, history...part of the reason we are where we are today...so, what happens with HS kids who parents can't do basic algebra 2?

My daughter has used YouTube clips for help with precal and trig, fwiw.

[Splits]

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[ChumpDumper]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/784d799c48dd171eb9c0e59de4c96206/edf5f7b37d8dec29-5e/s500x750/0837bd3d0745bfd307a2d468b7e0e4e6f67d8e60.gifv

[CosmicCowboy]

Anyone with a reasonably adult-like job, except for the healthcare industry, is currently WFH... this includes

-Finance
-HR
-Inside sales
-Accounting
-Marketing
-Executives
-IT & Business Analytics
-Other corporate business people
-Most stable government jobs

etc.

Healthcare folks... doctors, nurses, pharmacists... law enforcement, etc... sorry y'all have had to put up with a lot.

Anything else not listed, isn't an adult job. Get an adult job.

That's some arrogant Karen bullshit right there.

[Millennial_Messiah]

That's some arrogant Karen bullshit right there.

:lol Snowflakes just can't handle the truth, eh?

[leemajors]

:lmao Bro, this is 2020, not 2000. Impoverished people get free/subsidized internet these days. :lol

Sure they do, that's why they all have it? You have something resembling a brain but refuse to use it.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol Snowflakes just can't handle the truth, eh?

Just curious faggot...

Who built your parents house you live in?
Who built the hospitals being used to fight covid19?
Who built the roads you use to get there?
Who maintains and takes care of all this shit?

Real jobs :lmao
Snowflake :lmao

You just proved what an idiot you are, Karen.

[CosmicCowboy]

Is that your idea - to continue what was done this past spring. The state will not CONTINUE to give leeway regarding attendance, waivers for testing/requirements/graduation, etc. I think there was a relaxing of work, attendance, testing - basically of everything that keeps kids accountable and learning because of covid. It cannot continue if kids are to be at the level they're supposed to be at or for any diploma to be worth the paper it's printed on.

High school diplomas havent been worth the paper they were written on for years.

[rmt]

High school diplomas havent been worth the paper they were written on for years.

Well, yes, but even more so.

[baseline bum]

Is that your idea - to continue what was done this past spring. The state will not CONTINUE to give leeway regarding attendance, waivers for testing/requirements/graduation, etc. I think there was a relaxing of work, attendance, testing - basically of everything that keeps kids accountable and learning because of covid. It cannot continue if kids are to be at the level they're supposed to be at or for any diploma to be worth the paper it's printed on.

LOL remember when you said Florida's tsunami of new cases was only because of increased testing? Hard to take any of your shit seriously after that son.

[tholdren]

Those are all kid jobs, except for education, which generally falls under the category of "stable government jobs".

Any kid can use their two hands and two legs for labor. That's why they don't pay much or require education or experience. Adult jobs require the use of the most important part of the human body: the brain.

Get an adult job.

ChumpDumper and TimDunkem friend fer sher

[tholdren]

LOL remember when you said Florida's tsunami of new cases was only because of increased testing? Hard to take any of your shit seriously after that son.
You could not prove it wasnt until you got a trend of positivity that followed the testing surges. Now that those trends are similar then new cases are being acquired.

This does not mean that new cases are causing hospitalization that's down. This does not mean that new cases are deadly. Also down. Will there be deaths reported as covid. Yes. Did they die from covid, not solely. Are these backlogged deaths absolutely.

You do not know what is happening with the disease if you do not know the dates of onset hospitalislzation or death.

Hard to take you seriously when you have not ubderstood this for months.

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren calls it the flu

Never shows his math.

Brags about set shots.

Impossible to take him seriously.

[Blake]

hospitalislzation...

Hard to take you seriously when you have not ubderstood this for months.

Nobody can ubderstand you

[tholdren]

Nobody can ubderstand you

exactly what it sounds like when you post case count, hospitalizations or daily death.

You dont know that information. Yet you've been claiming it for months. Hilarious

[TimDunkem]

Bwahaha th:lolldren doesn't understand hospitalizations or Covid deaths

Bwahaha dribbling above the waist and set shot 2s

Bwahaha silly grandpa in his bunker

[baseline bum]

Bwahaha th:lolldren doesn't understand hospitalizations or Covid deaths

Bwahaha dribbling above the waist and set shot 2s

Bwahaha silly grandpa in his bunker

This motherfucker really said hospitalizations are down? :rollin

tholdren man, lay off the fucking opiates

[TimDunkem]

Bwahahaha hospitalizations down?

Bwahahaha silly grandpadren :lol

[baseline bum]

Trend of more testing in Florida is similar to trend of new cases? How the fuck does that work when positivity is increasing? :lol

That's it, I'm taking foldren off ignore, his shit is too funny.

[baseline bum]

tholdren man, have you been washing your oxycontin down with 40s of Mickeys today or some shit?

[Blake]

exactly what it sounds like when you post case count, hospitalizations or daily death.

You dont know that information. Yet you've been claiming it for months. Hilarious

Nope, everyone else understands the quotes from real experts just fine

[Blake]

"HOUSTON — The Texas Education Agency released guidelines with safety measures for school districts to resume in-person classes this fall. But not everyone is comfortable going back to the classroom considering Texas is a hotspot for COVID-19 cases.

Local high school computer science teacher Tania Andrews is not a fan of the idea.

Andrews said she’s concerned because of the spike of COVID-19 in Texas. She says it'll be hard to social distance students and keep the classroom sizes small.

“He (Gov. Greg Abbott) is not considering the danger of asymptomatic people giving this virus to their teachers, to the custodians, to the cafeteria staff, to the clerks,” Andrews said.

"Adults who work around adults don’t feel safe in their building. But the adults who work with children who don’t have great impulse control ... We should feel perfectly safe going into our buildings?” Andrews said.

Andrews is a single mother and is scared she might get infected. She worries who will care for her kids if that were to happen. In the meantime, she hopes that the TEA will reconsider re-opening schools. And that school districts opt for virtual learning until it’s safe to get back into the classroom.

“Please don’t overlook us. Please think of the fact that so many of us are parents ourselves. We have deep concerns for our own kids and your kids. But we can’t just do something because it makes us all feel better,” Andrews said....."

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/teachers-are-concerned-about-going-back-to-school-due-to-spike-in-covid-19-cases/285-0e803374-5bb2-4e1e-89dd-16bdd94315d1

[Blake]

If schools are forced to open, I'm setting the over/under at 17 school related deaths before Christmas. Anyone think it'll go over?

rmt, how many school deaths do you foresee?

[boutons_deux]

If schools are forced to open, I'm setting the over/under at 17 school related deaths before Christmas. Anyone think it'll go over?

rmt, how many school deaths do you foresee?

it will be hard to pin a C19 case to school.

Any attempt to define a C19 case to school will be denied by the Repugs, flooding the zone with shit, doubt, denials to defend and justify their pathogenic / pro-pandemic policies.

"In 2013

Texas had 5,077,659 students

enrolled in a total of 8,731 schools in 1,254 school districts.

There were 327,357 teachers in the public schools"

https://ballotpedia.org/Public_education_in_Texas#:~:text=In%202013%20Texa s%20had%205%2C077%2C659,national%20average%20of%20 1%3A16.

17? :lol GMAFB

[rmt]

If schools are forced to open, I'm setting the over/under at 17 school related deaths before Christmas. Anyone think it'll go over?

rmt, how many school deaths do you foresee?

If I could foresee anything, I would not be wasting it forecasting deaths - that's up to the good Lord.

[Blake]

it will be hard to pin a C19 case to school.


In all cases of course, but I think they should be able to trace source in some. That's why I'm going with 17. You think it'll be more?

[rmt]

It is funny seeing the liberals lobby for staying home and the conservatives lobbying for going out - myself included but pulled from both sides as I have an asthmatic son (and scared to death for him). I know that there is no way I can convince him to not start college but hope to buy time so that treatment improves so that if he ends up in the hospital, his chances are higher. I see both sides of the education angle as I KNOW what it's like to stay home 24-7 for any length of time - from both the parent and children side. OTOH, not everyone has the resources, will, temperament, type of job to stay home and help out with child care/education.

[Blake]

If I could foresee anything, I would not be wasting it forecasting deaths - that's up to the good Lord.

What a shit response.

I guess you don't need a seatbelt when you put on the armor of God every morning

[ChumpDumper]

It is funny seeing the liberals lobby for staying home and the conservatives lobbying for going out - myself included but pulled from both sides as I have an asthmatic son (and scared to death for him). I know that there is no way I can convince him to not start college but hope to buy time so that treatment improves so that if he ends up in the hospital, his chances are higher. I see both sides of the education angle as I KNOW what it's like to stay home 24-7 for any length of time - from both the parent and children side. OTOH, not everyone has the resources, will, temperament, type of job to stay home and help out with child care/education.I'd say conservatives are in favor of near complete ignorance and gambling with human lives. "Up to God" is a perfect illustration of that.

I currently think elementary schools will be less of a problem than higher grades and any one-size-fits-all strategy will be an utter disaster.

[rmt]

As I stated before, here in Miami, we get a choice - virtual, in person or other (arrangement with school) and we can switch from one to the other anytime (I assume there will be a lag time if you switch from one method to another). But of course, parent is responsible for child care/supervision for younger kids - imo, it would be very difficult to virtually teach a child who doesn't know how to read.

[Blake]

It is funny seeing the liberals lobby for staying home and the conservatives lobbying for going out - myself included but pulled from both sides as I have an asthmatic son (and scared to death for him). I know that there is no way I can convince him to not start college but hope to buy time so that treatment improves so that if he ends up in the hospital, his chances are higher. I see both sides of the education angle as I KNOW what it's like to stay home 24-7 for any length of time - from both the parent and children side. OTOH, not everyone has the resources, will, temperament, type of job to stay home and help out with child care/education.

Yeah it's hilarious seeing conservatives want to open the economy back up full tilt at the expense of people's lives.

I bet you are the trumper type that doesn't wear a mask unless told to either.

[Blake]

As I stated before, here in Miami, we get a choice - virtual, in person or other (arrangement with school) and we can switch from one to the other anytime (I assume there will be a lag time if you switch from one method to another). But of course, parent is responsible for child care/supervision for younger kids - imo, it would be very difficult to virtually teach a child who doesn't know how to read.

It's the teachers that are expendable

[rmt]

What a shit response.

I guess you don't need a seatbelt when you put on the armor of God every morning

What do you expect? I am not in the business of predictions - like everyone else, I'm in the dark about covid. We can only go with what we know AT THAT TIME - all this guessing and BASHING of people IN HINDSIGHT is ridiculous - no one knows.

All I know is that the majority of the country cannot stay locked up indefinitely - it will drive them crazy or is not feasible for many. Not to seem like I'm rubbing it in, but this covid period has been as close to heaven on earth FOR ME - all my kids and hubby confined to the house, board games most nights - it has been a godsend that will never happen again with kids off to work/college and living all over the country. But I am blessed to have a job that is suitable for telework - not everyone is.

[Blake]

What do you expect? I am not in the business of predictions - like everyone else, I'm in the dark about covid. We can only go with what we know AT THAT TIME - all this guessing and BASHING of people IN HINDSIGHT is ridiculous - no one knows.

All I know is that the majority of the country cannot stay locked up indefinitely - it will drive them crazy or is not feasible for many. Not to seem like I'm rubbing it in, but this covid period has been as close to heaven on earth FOR ME - all my kids and hubby confined to the house, board games most nights - it has been a godsend that will never happen again with kids off to work/college and living all over the country. But I am blessed to have a job that is suitable for telework - not everyone is.

How about this:

If one teacher does from covid that can be traced to the classroom setting, do you shut it all down or do you keep the schools open?

[rmt]

Yeah it's hilarious seeing conservatives want to open the economy back up full tilt at the expense of people's lives.

I bet you are the trumper type that doesn't wear a mask unless told to either.

You'd be betting on the wrong side. I am RELIGIOUS :-) about wearing a mask - remember I have an asthmatic son and do everything I can to delay him getting it.

[ChumpDumper]

What do you expect? I am not in the business of predictions - like everyone else, I'm in the dark about covid. We can only go with what we know AT THAT TIME - all this guessing and BASHING of people IN HINDSIGHT is ridiculous - no one knows.That's just it. Our respective states went AGAINST what was known at the time in a rush to get customers in Bill Miller and Pollo Tropical.

We're both definitely on track to do the same with schools.

[rmt]

How about this:

If one teacher does from covid that can be traced to the classroom setting, do you shut it all down or do you keep the schools open?

School operations will be a nightmare - getting them to school (temperature checks before getting on bus), social distancing, lunch, bathroom, contact tracing if some one gets sick. I assume a separate area to keep kids if they come in with temperature. It's very much learning and adjusting/adapting as we go along.

Off topic - I've been binge watching Game of Thrones with kids (re-watching for them) and it's just like covid - because they knew how it ended (hindsight) you hear all this bashing of Tyrion (who was my favorite character) as he struggles through the unknown.

[Blake]

You'd be betting on the wrong side. I am RELIGIOUS :-) about wearing a mask - remember I have an asthmatic son and do everything I can to delay him getting it.

So you wear a mask around the house when he's there? That's actually pretty impressive

[Blake]

School operations will be a nightmare - getting them to school (temperature checks before getting on bus), social distancing, lunch, bathroom, contact tracing if some one gets sick. I assume a separate area to keep kids if they come in with temperature. It's very much learning and adjusting/adapting as we go along.

Off topic - I've been binge watching Game of Thrones with kids (re-watching for them) and it's just like covid - because they knew how it ended (hindsight) you hear all this bashing of Tyrion (who was my favorite character) as he struggles through the unknown.

Schools already don't let kids come in with temperatures.

So just to be clear, you're ok with a teacher(s) losing their life for the sake of classroom teaching.

[rmt]

That's just it. Our respective states went AGAINST what was known at the time in a rush to get customers in Bill Miller and Pollo Tropical.

We're both definitely on track to do the same with schools.

I have no idea what Bill Miller is. Pollo Tropical has always been open.

The whole point of the lockdown was not to overwhelm the hospitals - that hasn't happened yet. If a parent doesn't want his kids to go to school (which is NOT what the data that's being collected here in Miami is showing - the parents overwhelming are choosing in person), then don't choose in person and make child care arrangements. All virtual has ALWAYS been an option.

[Spurtacular]

So just to be clear, you're ok with a teacher(s) losing their life for the sake of classroom teaching.

So to be clear you're willing to sacrifice the future of America cos of possible sniffles?

[ChumpDumper]

I have no idea what Bill Miller is. Pollo Tropical has always been open.

The whole point of the lockdown was not to overwhelm the hospitals - that hasn't happened yet. If a parent doesn't want his kids to go to school (which is NOT what the data that's being collected here in Miami is showing - the parents overwhelming are choosing in person), then don't choose in person and make child care arrangements. All virtual has ALWAYS been an option.Especially for poor people!

[rmt]

So you wear a mask around the house when he's there? That's actually pretty impressive

Of course not, but I am very careful when I go out. I wear mask, gloves and dispose of them before getting in car, wipe down everything I bring into the house, etc. He will not be half so careful when he goes off to college - but I can't control everything - I teach him as best as I can and trust in God. And while this period has been good for me, it is not for the kids - ds' internship was cancelled this summer - they need to go out and meet people, make friends and carry on with their lives.

[rmt]

Especially for poor people!

My sympathy is for the people who can't afford to stay home or pay for child care. Seems to me that it's the ones who are comfortable, secure and able to telework that want to keep these poor people in. Everything in life is a risk. What happens if there isn't an effective vaccine? Do we stay shut in indefinitely?

[rmt]

Schools already don't let kids come in with temperatures.

So just to be clear, you're ok with a teacher(s) losing their life for the sake of classroom teaching.

Where do I ever say that? You are the one who is forecasting - I'm not playing that game.

[ChumpDumper]

My sympathy is for the people who can't afford to stay home or pay for child care. Seems to me that it's the ones who are comfortable, secure and able to telework that want to keep these poor people in. Everything in life is a risk. What happens if there isn't an effective vaccine? Do we stay shut in indefinitely?Always with the straw men and false dichotomies.

[midnightpulp]

My sympathy is for the people who can't afford to stay home or pay for child care. Seems to me that it's the ones who are comfortable, secure and able to telework that want to keep these poor people in. Everything in life is a risk. What happens if there isn't an effective vaccine? Do we stay shut in indefinitely?

Um, how about us creating a safety net?

[ChumpDumper]

Um, how about us creating a safety net?My sympathy is for those dirty freeloaders.

[baseline bum]

What do you expect? I am not in the business of predictions - like everyone else, I'm in the dark about covid. We can only go with what we know AT THAT TIME - all this guessing and BASHING of people IN HINDSIGHT is ridiculous - no one knows.

All I know is that the majority of the country cannot stay locked up indefinitely - it will drive them crazy or is not feasible for many. Not to seem like I'm rubbing it in, but this covid period has been as close to heaven on earth FOR ME - all my kids and hubby confined to the house, board games most nights - it has been a godsend that will never happen again with kids off to work/college and living all over the country. But I am blessed to have a job that is suitable for telework - not everyone is.

You tried spewing right wing propaganda about why Florida's COVID cases were exploding and :cry now you want to play victim :cry.

[baseline bum]

Where do I ever say that? You are the one who is forecasting - I'm not playing that game.

Wow highly transmissible virus that kills old people would kill old people is forecasting? :lol

[baseline bum]

Um, how about us creating a safety net?

Safety nets are only for banks and Corporate-Americans in this shithole nation, not for what boutons_deux calls Human-Americans. Very robust safety net in this nation, it's just not for the people.

[rmt]

Wow highly transmissible virus that kills old people would kill old people is forecasting? :lol

He is forecasting teacher(s) dying teaching a classroom of kids - in person.

[ElNono]

It is funny seeing the liberals lobby for staying home and the conservatives lobbying for going out - myself included but pulled from both sides as I have an asthmatic son (and scared to death for him). I know that there is no way I can convince him to not start college but hope to buy time so that treatment improves so that if he ends up in the hospital, his chances are higher. I see both sides of the education angle as I KNOW what it's like to stay home 24-7 for any length of time - from both the parent and children side. OTOH, not everyone has the resources, will, temperament, type of job to stay home and help out with child care/education.

why would you be scared? isn't this just like the flu? plus you can always pray it away.

[baseline bum]

He is forecasting teacher(s) dying teaching a classroom of kids - in person.

Yeah no shit retard, old people dying of a highly transmissible virus that kills old people isn't exactly a stretch.

[TSA]

How about this:

If one teacher does from covid that can be traced to the classroom setting, do you shut it all down or do you keep the schools open?

If one checker dies from covid that can be traced from someone shopping for groceries, do you shut it all down or do you keep grocery stores open?

[TSA]

Yeah no shit retard, old people dying of a highly transmissible virus that kills old people isn't exactly a stretch.

You're acting as if all of these teachers are at risk 80+ year olds

https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/sass/tables/sass1112_2013314_t1s_002.asp

[TSA]

CDC director: Keeping schools closed poses greater health threat to children than reopening

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/506640-cdc-director-keeping-schools-closed-poses-greater-health-threat-to-children?userid=247939

[baseline bum]

You're acting as if all of these teachers are at risk 80+ year olds

https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/sass/tables/sass1112_2013314_t1s_002.asp

So fuck the 30% over 50 because Dear Leader has to try to make the country look like it's normal by throwing gasoline on an inferno?

[TSA]

So fuck the 30% over 50 because Dear Leader has to try to make the country look like it's normal by throwing gasoline on an inferno?

Again, how many 80 year old teachers are there? 55 years old isn't high risk and at 55 a teacher can retire with many able to retire at 50. Women make up 75% of teachers and are at a lower risk then men. There are simply more children at risk than the amount of at risk elderly teachers. I'll side with the children every single time.

[baseline bum]

Again, how many 80 year old teachers are there? 55 years old isn't high risk and at 55 a teacher can retire with many able to retire at 50. Women make up 75% of teachers and are at a lower risk then men. There are simply more children at risk than the amount of at risk elderly teachers. I'll side with Trump every single time.

FIFY

[hater]

CDC director: Keeping schools closed poses greater health threat to children than reopening

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/506640-cdc-director-keeping-schools-closed-poses-greater-health-threat-to-children?userid=247939

Opinion piece

[ChumpDumper]

Again, how many 80 year old teachers are there? 55 years old isn't high risk and at 55 a teacher can retire with many able to retire at 50. Women make up 75% of teachers and are at a lower risk then men. There are simply more children at risk than the amount of at risk elderly teachers. I'll side with the children every single time.

Pretending age is the only risk factor is disingenuous.
Pretending teachers are the only school employees is disingenuous.

[hater]

I'll side with the children every single time.

:lmao stop it you sound like the guy in your avatar with your fakeness

The children are fine actually happier to stay home. I know because have lots of nieces and nephews.

The parents are the ones who are struggling. Its up to each school system to make a good plan individually and up to the parents ultimately

:lol but but the children :cry :lmao da fuck outta here

[ChumpDumper]

Again, I'm much more confident about elementary kids back in school than older students.

[midnightpulp]

Again, how many 80 year old teachers are there? 55 years old isn't high risk and at 55 a teacher can retire with many able to retire at 50. Women make up 75% of teachers and are at a lower risk then men. There are simply more children at risk than the amount of at risk elderly teachers. I'll side with the children every single time.

Why do people think death is the only negative outcome of this virus? This isn't simply a "respiratory virus."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200630125129.htm
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/health/what-coronavirus-autopsies-reveal/index.html
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632881-400-why-strange-and-debilitating-coronavirus-symptoms-can-last-for-months/

If dedicated teachers want to sacrifice their health for the kids, fair enough. It's a much more noble cause than being forced "back to work" at some job you hate so the market can stabilize, but if teachers (and parents) are comfortable with the situation, then it shouldn't be forced.

[baseline bum]

Even if your stance is fuck the teachers like TSA and rmt, that stance is also fuck the doctors, nurses, and the hospitals. I'm sure Hidalgo County would love another major influx of deathly ill patients caused by the schools and Arizona doctors will be just itching to convene their death panels in deciding if person X should die because teacher Y is also critically ill but Person X may not have five years left.

[KobesAchilles]

It’s a pretty scary thought going back to the classroom here in Houston. Cases have been spiking like crazy and all it takes is one person to spread it like wildfire. A lot of people are retiring now because of this. It’s already a pretty shitty job, now you have to risk your life or loved ones life for it? Not exactly enticing

“Hey you’re gonna get cussed out, have no funding, no real support from administrators, 230 kids to teach, no real team to help you, an all Sped/ESL class, deal with the STAAR bullshit, AND now you could get infected with Corona and lose your life.” :lol tempting

[baseline bum]

It’s a pretty scary thought going back to the classroom here in Houston. Cases have been spiking like crazy and all it takes is one person to spread it like wildfire. A lot of people are retiring now because of this. It’s already a pretty shitty job, now you have to risk your life or loved ones life for it? Not exactly enticing

“Hey you’re gonna get cussed out, have no funding, no real support from administrators, 230 kids to teach, no real team to help you, an all Sped/ESL class, deal with the STAAR bullshit, AND now you could get infected with Corona and lose your life.” :lol tempting

Don't forget every single class is going to have one asshole who thinks it's funny to go cough on the teacher, cough on the girl next to him, and so on. Haha, I killed the teacher.

[midnightpulp]

Even if your stance is fuck the teachers like TSA and rmt, that stance is also fuck the doctors, nurses, and the hospitals. I'm sure Hidalgo County would love another major influx of deathly ill patients caused by the schools and Arizona doctors will be just itching to convene their death panels in deciding if person X should die because teacher Y is also critically ill but Person X may not have five years left.

The arguments about getting kids back in brick-and-mortar school is that they need the socialization. Not to mention many poor kids rely on school for meals (which is an indictment of our shitty social safety net system) or it gets them out of an abusive household for the day (but wouldn't an abusive parent just abuse them after school anyway?).

If teachers and parents decide they are collectively uncomfortable, why not continue with remote learning and set up real world socialization activities at the local parks and what not a few times per week? I'll give TSA the benefit of the doubt and say his motivation is out of concern for the kids, but the conservative motivation in general is obviously to get the parents back to work for the economy's sake.


“Parents can’t work if they are forced to stay home,” an outside Trump adviser said. “It’s about moving forward.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/trump-reopen-schools-353245

As an aside, Hong Kong shutdown their schools today after a modest case spike.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-10/hong-kong-said-to-shut-schools-again-as-local-virus-cases-jump

"But Europe!"

Nah, I think we should be looking at the Asian countries for guidance on this shit.

[TSA]

The arguments about getting kids back in brick-and-mortar school is that they need the socialization. Not to mention many poor kids rely on school for meals (which is an indictment of our shitty social safety net system) or it gets them out of an abusive household for the day (but wouldn't an abusive parent just abuse them after school anyway?).

If teachers and parents decide they are collectively uncomfortable, why not continue with remote learning and set up real world socialization activities at the local parks and what not a few times per week? I'll give TSA the benefit of the doubt and say his motivation is out of concern for the kids, but the conservative motivation in general is obviously to get the parents back to work for the economy's sake.



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/trump-reopen-schools-353245

As an aside, Hong Kong shutdown their schools today after a modest case spike.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-10/hong-kong-said-to-shut-schools-again-as-local-virus-cases-jump

"But Europe!"

Nah, I think we should be looking at the Asian countries for guidance on this shit.

My motivation is 100% out of concern from the kids. I was an educator myself and have lots of family that were in education. Mom taught for 30 years and then taught teachers after that. 2 of my best friends wife's teach, another is a principal. Aunt and uncle were both principals, another aunt was a superindendent and her husband a college professor. Every single one of my family or friends that I've talked to that are in education are willing to go back and want to go back for the sake of the kids.

A lot of people don't understand the ramifications years from now we'll see if our kids continue to be held out of school, and no online learning does not come close to giving kids what they need, especially the social aspects. When this is over more high school age kids will have committed suicide from the lockdowns than been killed by the virus. The longer we keep them out of school the more drug addiction and depression we'll see in the next few years. It's totally fucked. Schools are essential, if the teachers don't want to take the risk like fucking high school server at a restaurant is doing than find a new fucking line of work.

[baseline bum]

Like your motivation was 100% for the kids at Comet Ping Pong.

[baseline bum]

What are the ramifications for kids going to be when they realize they killed their teacher they liked BTW?

[weebo]

My motivation is 100% out of concern from the kids. I was an educator myself and have lots of family that were in education. Mom taught for 30 years and then taught teachers after that. 2 of my best friends wife's teach, another is a principal. Aunt and uncle were both principals, another aunt was a superindendent and her husband a college professor. Every single one of my family or friends that I've talked to that are in education are willing to go back and want to go back for the sake of the kids.

A lot of people don't understand the ramifications years from now we'll see if our kids continue to be held out of school, and no online learning does not come close to giving kids what they need, especially the social aspects. When this is over more high school age kids will have committed suicide from the lockdowns than been killed by the virus. The longer we keep them out of school the more drug addiction and depression we'll see in the next few years. It's totally fucked. Schools are essential, if the teachers don't want to take the risk like fucking high school server at a restaurant is doing than find a new fucking line of work.

This is utter bullshit. I can say the same. I come from a family made up of educators (teachers, principals, district employees, etc) and they're scared. Several are contemplating resignation. You call yourself an a former teacher? Then tell me how you plan to keep an 8 y/o child to keep his/her mask on, social distancing from peers, putting things in his mouth, washing their hands thoroughly? Kids are kids and they can't rationalize the severity of what's going on like an adult to a restaurant or a store you fucking moron.

And I've asked this question before from you stupid ass trump fuckers with no response; please point to the data that indicates increased death rates due to lock downs or economic downturns because right now the virus has about 130k lead on that bullshit theory.

[ChumpDumper]

TSA's coming out strongly against home schooling is quite a twist.

[TimDunkem]

TSA was a teacher? Shiiiiit. Now I see why there's a culture of anti-science and anti-knowledge in this country.

I wonder if all of his notes and lesson plans for his students were just other peoples' tweets. :lmao

[weebo]

And can we please put this bullshit myth to rest...children aren't immune from this disease. They're young and most will survive this but not all have a walk in the park response. Some get severely ill.

[ChumpDumper]

TSA was a teacher? Shiiiiit. Now I see why there's a culture of anti-science and anti-knowledge in this country.

I wonder if all of his notes and lesson plans for his students were just other peoples' tweets. :lmaoWorse, he even bought into the Satanic panic directed at schoolteachers and daycare personnel.

[midnightpulp]

My motivation is 100% out of concern from the kids. I was an educator myself and have lots of family that were in education. Mom taught for 30 years and then taught teachers after that. 2 of my best friends wife's teach, another is a principal. Aunt and uncle were both principals, another aunt was a superindendent and her husband a college professor. Every single one of my family or friends that I've talked to that are in education are willing to go back and want to go back for the sake of the kids.

A lot of people don't understand the ramifications years from now we'll see if our kids continue to be held out of school, and no online learning does not come close to giving kids what they need, especially the social aspects. When this is over more high school age kids will have committed suicide from the lockdowns than been killed by the virus. The longer we keep them out of school the more drug addiction and depression we'll see in the next few years. It's totally fucked. Schools are essential, if the teachers don't want to take the risk like fucking high school server at a restaurant is doing than find a new fucking line of work.

I'm sympathetic toward that, which is why this a debate worth having. I am on the side of getting kids back to school, actually. But we can't be careless about it.

[TSA]

This is utter bullshit. I can say the same. I come from a family made up of educators (teachers, principals, district employees, etc) and they're scared. Several are contemplating resignation. You call yourself an a former teacher? Then tell me how you plan to keep an 8 y/o child to keep his/her mask on, social distancing from peers, putting things in his mouth, washing their hands thoroughly? Kids are kids and they can't rationalize the severity of what's going on like an adult to a restaurant or a store you fucking moron.

And I've asked this question before from you stupid ass trump fuckers with no response; please point to the data that indicates increased death rates due to lock downs or economic downturns because right now the virus has about 130k lead on that bullshit theory.

Then your family of educators aren't very educated, kids aren't vectors for transmission...edit...at least not enough to be concerned about to keep kids out of school.

And I've already provided data from the CDC on excess deaths from lockdowns and it was anywhere from 30,000 to 50,000.

[TSA]

I'm sympathetic toward that, which is why this a debate worth having. I am on the side of getting kids back to school, actually. But we can't be careless about it.

I've never said to be careless about it. The debate coming from the other side is weak and basically comes down to but what about the 80 year old teacher.

[ChumpDumper]

Then your family of educators aren't very educated, kids aren't vectors for transmission.Well, they certainly aren't much of a vector in schools of countries where the daily new case count is in the low double digits. I would think the chances of transmission from schoolkids would be higher in McAllen if you started school there today-- the higher the age of the kids, the higher the chances of transmission.

[hater]

:lmao conservatives pushing for mass public schooling kids :lol

[baseline bum]

I've never said to be careless about it. The debate coming from the other side is weak and basically comes down to but what about the 80 year old teacher.

The debate is that it's the complete fucking opposite of distancing and making your interactions with people short to minimize exposure to a virus that has killed 135,000 Americans and will almost certainly kill many more. That we don't need to throw gasoline on the infernos we have raging in a lot of places right now.

[ElNono]

Again, how many 80 year old teachers are there? 55 years old isn't high risk and at 55 a teacher can retire with many able to retire at 50. Women make up 75% of teachers and are at a lower risk then men. There are simply more children at risk than the amount of at risk elderly teachers. I'll side with the children every single time.

65 and up is the risk population...

[midnightpulp]

65 and up is the risk population...

This thing also goes through above 40 year olds with the 'besity and 'beetus pretty mercilessly.

[ElNono]

This thing also goes through above 40 year olds with the 'besity and 'beetus pretty mercilessly.

sure... and I've read 55 is really where shit really starts to get bad for the common folk. Just leaving some wiggle room.

[Blake]

My motivation is 100% out of concern from the kids. I was an educator myself and have lots of family that were in education. Mom taught for 30 years and then taught teachers after that. 2 of my best friends wife's teach, another is a principal. Aunt and uncle were both principals, another aunt was a superindendent and her husband a college professor. Every single one of my family or friends that I've talked to that are in education are willing to go back and want to go back for the sake of the kids.

A lot of people don't understand the ramifications years from now we'll see if our kids continue to be held out of school, and no online learning does not come close to giving kids what they need, especially the social aspects. When this is over more high school age kids will have committed suicide from the lockdowns than been killed by the virus. The longer we keep them out of school the more drug addiction and depression we'll see in the next few years. It's totally fucked. Schools are essential, if the teachers don't want to take the risk like fucking high school server at a restaurant is doing than find a new fucking line of work.

Where were you when we were all making fun of rmt for homeschooling

[Blake]

If one checker dies from covid that can be traced from someone shopping for groceries, do you shut it all down or do you keep grocery stores open?

Oh nifty false equivalence. If you can't tell the difference between a grocery store and a classroom then I'd say you never taught and you never grocery shopped.

But I'd also say if you actually could trace cashiers deaths and illness back to having contact with customers then maybe it's time to distance shop/curbside service/full tilt self checkout.

[midnightpulp]

TSA was a teacher? Shiiiiit. Now I see why there's a culture of anti-science and anti-knowledge in this country.

I wonder if all of his notes and lesson plans for his students were just other peoples' tweets. :lmao

I haven't conversed with TSA as much as you all, and wasn't around for him promoting Pizzagate, but I think he's rather reasonable. I think he trolls with shit like Pizzagate for the sake of pissing off liberals. I would guess he's a hold-your-nose Trump voter and voted for him for the tax breaks and his gun control position. He probably acts as Trump fanboy to, again, irritate Liberals. Trump is a piece of dogshit, but I'd vote for the Liberal version of Trump if it meant said dogshit politician would raise taxes on the rich and usher in universal healthcare.

[Blake]

This thing also goes through above 40 year olds with the 'besity and 'beetus pretty mercilessly.

IF YOU'RE FORTY, FAT AND BEETUSED THAT'S ALL ON YOU. GET TO CLASS.

[TSA]

65 and up is the risk population...

65 and up is a very small percentage of teachers and they shouldn't go back and either find a new job or retire. The educational/social needs of millions of kids outweigh the 65 year and older teachers.

[TSA]

Where were you when we were all making fun of rmt for homeschooling

I don't read much of anything she posts so obviously missed it.

[baseline bum]

I haven't conversed with TSA as much as you all, and wasn't around for him promoting Pizzagate, but I think he's rather reasonable. I think he trolls with shit like Pizzagate for the sake of pissing off liberals. I would guess he's a hold-your-nose Trump voter and voted for him for the tax breaks and his gun control position. He probably acts as Trump fanboy to, again, irritate Liberals. Trump is a piece of dogshit, but I'd vote for the Liberal version of Trump if it meant said dogshit politician would raise taxes on the rich and usher in universal healthcare.

Seth Rich too

[TSA]

I haven't conversed with TSA as much as you all, and wasn't around for him promoting Pizzagate, but I think he's rather reasonable. I think he trolls with shit like Pizzagate for the sake of pissing off liberals. I would guess he's a hold-your-nose Trump voter and voted for him for the tax breaks and his gun control position. He probably acts as Trump fanboy to, again, irritate Liberals. Trump is a piece of dogshit, but I'd vote for the Liberal version of Trump if it meant said dogshit politician would raise taxes on the rich and usher in universal healthcare.

I've conversed with you much more than TimDunkem because you're respectful even when we disagree. I came to this board over 20 years ago to troll, nothing has changed. You've pegged me fairly accurately though minus the voting for Trump part.

[TSA]

Seth Rich too

Did they finally solve his murder and catch the killers?

[ElNono]

65 and up is a very small percentage of teachers and they shouldn't go back and either find a new job or retire. The educational/social needs of millions of kids outweigh the 65 year and older teachers.

In this economy, find a new job? Yeah, that ain't happening. It's not an easy decision, but kids are not going to die for staying at home, tbh...

[Blake]

65 and up is a very small percentage of teachers and they shouldn't go back and either find a new job or retire. The educational/social needs of millions of kids outweigh the 65 year and older teachers.

Distance education and internet learning have been around for a very long time so saying they "need" brick and mortar is bullshit.

The only thing you have left is the social aspect which pretty much shits on all homeschoolers.

The only valid argument is that we need a place to send our kids to during the day so that we can all go to work. That's what public school has become now in the 21st century......a giant daycare with some learning thrown in.

[TSA]

Distance education and internet learning have been around for a very long time so saying they "need" brick and mortar is bullshit.

The only thing you have left is the social aspect which pretty much shits on all homeschoolers.

The only valid argument is that we need a place to send our kids to during the day so that we can all go to work. That's what public school has become now in the 21st century......a giant daycare with some learning thrown in.

Distance education and internet learning are not available to many poor kids. I thought the Democratic party was the champion of the poor?

Gaps in internet access proved to be one of the biggest hurdles to distance learning after schools closed this spring. In Nashville schools, about 31% of students do not have a computer at home and nearly 20% do not have access to the internet.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/education/2020/07/09/metro-schools-academic-year-start-online-nashville-students/5383315002/

In Metro Schools, 31% of students, or more than 22,250, do not have a computer at home, and about 14%, or 10,000 students, do not have wireless internet.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2020/05/28/digital-learning-critical-resource-schools-prepare-uncertain-fall/5240364002/

[ChumpDumper]

I haven't conversed with TSA as much as you all, and wasn't around for him promoting Pizzagate, but I think he's rather reasonable. I think he trolls with shit like Pizzagate for the sake of pissing off liberals. I would guess he's a hold-your-nose Trump voter and voted for him for the tax breaks and his gun control position. He probably acts as Trump fanboy to, again, irritate Liberals. Trump is a piece of dogshit, but I'd vote for the Liberal version of Trump if it meant said dogshit politician would raise taxes on the rich and usher in universal healthcare.Oh no. the sheer volume of "research" and arguments he made supporting pizzagate, weird art collections, Uranium One, Las Vegas shooting, Seth Rich and ritual child abuse theories were proof he believed in each and every one until it got to embarrassing for him to admit it.

He still actually believes them though. He'll still "jes' ask questions" about Seth Rich like he just did here and will reintroduce those theories whenever one of his batshit right wing sources comes out with new "evidence" or a novel twist on an existing theory.

[ChumpDumper]

Distance education and internet learning are not available to many poor kids. I thought the Democratic party was the champion of the poor?

Gaps in internet access proved to be one of the biggest hurdles to distance learning after schools closed this spring. In Nashville schools, about 31% of students do not have a computer at home and nearly 20% do not have access to the internet.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/education/2020/07/09/metro-schools-academic-year-start-online-nashville-students/5383315002/

In Metro Schools, 31% of students, or more than 22,250, do not have a computer at home, and about 14%, or 10,000 students, do not have wireless internet.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2020/05/28/digital-learning-critical-resource-schools-prepare-uncertain-fall/5240364002/That's a great argument for subsidizing broadband access tbh.

[TSA]

In this economy, find a new job? Yeah, that ain't happening. It's not an easy decision, but kids are not going to die for staying at home, tbh...

A pandemic is hard on everyone. And even though older people face greater risks from the novel coronavirus, a UNICEF report released on Tuesday points to another particularly vulnerable population: youth. The report is titled Lives Upended: How COVID-19 threatens the futures of 600 million South Asian children.

According to the report, the pandemic is "unraveling decades of health, education and other advances for children across South Asia." Because of the lockdowns, children are out of school (and cut off from the toilets and water they may have there but not at home). They're at risk of hunger when family incomes shrink — and of domestic abuse as well in close quarters. They're isolated from friends.

Especially concerning, say UNICEF and regional mental health experts, are anecdotal and statistical reports that show suicides and suicidal thoughts are going up, in particular among adolescents.

Statistics reported by Bharat Gautam, clinical psychologist for the Transcultural Psychosocial Organization Nepal, document 134 reports of suicide among adolescents from March 24 to April 23 — and 127 the prior month.

The UNICEF report notes that, since the pandemic's start, a Bangladesh hotline for children "intervened in six cases of potential suicide" in a single week and that two adolescent suicide cases in Bhutan were linked to "family tension and domestic violence."

Simon Ingram, the report's author and previously a UNICEF field officer in the region, says that "suicide [is] often hidden [and] experts estimate the numbers [during the lockdown] could be even higher."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/06/23/882338481/bleak-unicef-report-on-kids-and-covid-19-but-there-is-hope


Unicef warns lockdown could kill more than Covid-19 as model predicts 1.2 million child deaths

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/unicef-warns-lockdown-could-kill-covid-19-model-predicts-12/

[ChumpDumper]

A pandemic is hard on everyone. And even though older people face greater risks from the novel coronavirus, a UNICEF report released on Tuesday points to another particularly vulnerable population: youth. The report is titled Lives Upended: How COVID-19 threatens the futures of 600 million South Asian children.

According to the report, the pandemic is "unraveling decades of health, education and other advances for children across South Asia." Because of the lockdowns, children are out of school (and cut off from the toilets and water they may have there but not at home). They're at risk of hunger when family incomes shrink — and of domestic abuse as well in close quarters. They're isolated from friends.

Especially concerning, say UNICEF and regional mental health experts, are anecdotal and statistical reports that show suicides and suicidal thoughts are going up, in particular among adolescents.

Statistics reported by Bharat Gautam, clinical psychologist for the Transcultural Psychosocial Organization Nepal, document 134 reports of suicide among adolescents from March 24 to April 23 — and 127 the prior month.

The UNICEF report notes that, since the pandemic's start, a Bangladesh hotline for children "intervened in six cases of potential suicide" in a single week and that two adolescent suicide cases in Bhutan were linked to "family tension and domestic violence."

Simon Ingram, the report's author and previously a UNICEF field officer in the region, says that "suicide [is] often hidden [and] experts estimate the numbers [during the lockdown] could be even higher."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/06/23/882338481/bleak-unicef-report-on-kids-and-covid-19-but-there-is-hope


Unicef warns lockdown could kill more than Covid-19 as model predicts 1.2 million child deaths

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/unicef-warns-lockdown-could-kill-covid-19-model-predicts-12/I'm going to go out on a limb and say most American kids have a toilet to shit in at home.

[ElNono]

A pandemic is hard on everyone. And even though older people face greater risks from the novel coronavirus, a UNICEF report released on Tuesday points to another particularly vulnerable population: youth. The report is titled Lives Upended: How COVID-19 threatens the futures of 600 million South Asian children.

According to the report, the pandemic is "unraveling decades of health, education and other advances for children across South Asia." Because of the lockdowns, children are out of school (and cut off from the toilets and water they may have there but not at home). They're at risk of hunger when family incomes shrink — and of domestic abuse as well in close quarters. They're isolated from friends.

Especially concerning, say UNICEF and regional mental health experts, are anecdotal and statistical reports that show suicides and suicidal thoughts are going up, in particular among adolescents.

Statistics reported by Bharat Gautam, clinical psychologist for the Transcultural Psychosocial Organization Nepal, document 134 reports of suicide among adolescents from March 24 to April 23 — and 127 the prior month.

The UNICEF report notes that, since the pandemic's start, a Bangladesh hotline for children "intervened in six cases of potential suicide" in a single week and that two adolescent suicide cases in Bhutan were linked to "family tension and domestic violence."

Simon Ingram, the report's author and previously a UNICEF field officer in the region, says that "suicide [is] often hidden [and] experts estimate the numbers [during the lockdown] could be even higher."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/06/23/882338481/bleak-unicef-report-on-kids-and-covid-19-but-there-is-hope

Unicef warns lockdown could kill more than Covid-19 as model predicts 1.2 million child deaths

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/unicef-warns-lockdown-could-kill-covid-19-model-predicts-12/

I feel for South Asia. I think they should try to deal with their problems as best they can. Certainly tough times.

[hater]

:lol bangladesh

And 1.2 million? We arebalready at 1/2 million covid carcasses and it hasnt even started in 3rd world shitholes (beside the US)

[hater]

I feel for South Asia. I think they should try to deal with their problems as best they can. Certainly tough times.

Shockingly they are doing way better than us so far

No Q anon idiots who refuse to wear masks, no protesters, etc

Oh and the villages themselves put themselves in lockdown there. They have guys blocking roads into each village, they enforce their own lockdowns, no need for police,

[TSA]

I’m an epidemiologist and a dad. Here’s why I think schools should reopen.

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/9/21318560/covid-19-coronavirus-us-testing-children-schools-reopening-questions

[Blake]

Distance education and internet learning are not available to many poor kids. I thought the Democratic party was the champion of the poor?

Gaps in internet access proved to be one of the biggest hurdles to distance learning after schools closed this spring. In Nashville schools, about 31% of students do not have a computer at home and nearly 20% do not have access to the internet.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/education/2020/07/09/metro-schools-academic-year-start-online-nashville-students/5383315002/

In Metro Schools, 31% of students, or more than 22,250, do not have a computer at home, and about 14%, or 10,000 students, do not have wireless internet.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2020/05/28/digital-learning-critical-resource-schools-prepare-uncertain-fall/5240364002/

"New federal legislation is looking to modernize an aging government assistance program aimed at telephones by turning it into a way for low-income consumers to access broadband internet. The Broadband Adoption Act of 2013 was introduced to the House of Representatives yesterday and would update Lifeline, an FCC-run program that offers subsidized phone service to citizens near the poverty line or enrolled in select government programs such as Medicaid. Under the new legislation, Lifeline would offer the option between discounted telephone, mobile, and internet services. The bill is supported by outgoing FCC chairman Julius Genachowski and was introduced by three Democratic representatives of California, Doris Matsui, Henry Waxman, and Anna Eshoo......

https://www.theverge.com/2013/4/24/4260530/fcc-lifeline-assistance-program-broadband-internet-discounts


April 24, 2013

[baseline bum]

:lol bangladesh

And 1.2 million? We arebalready at 1/2 million covid carcasses and it hasnt even started in 3rd world shitholes (beside the US)

:lol

[Blake]

"New federal legislation is looking to modernize an aging government assistance program aimed at telephones by turning it into a way for low-income consumers to access broadband internet. The Broadband Adoption Act of 2013 was introduced to the House of Representatives yesterday and would update Lifeline, an FCC-run program that offers subsidized phone service to citizens near the poverty line or enrolled in select government programs such as Medicaid. Under the new legislation, Lifeline would offer the option between discounted telephone, mobile, and internet services. The bill is supported by outgoing FCC chairman Julius Genachowski and was introduced by three Democratic representatives of California, Doris Matsui, Henry Waxman, and Anna Eshoo......

https://www.theverge.com/2013/4/24/4260530/fcc-lifeline-assistance-program-broadband-internet-discounts


April 24, 2013

"Released: Broadband Adoption and Opportunity Act
by Caitlin Schwartz | Jul 7, 2020 | Digital Inclusion News

Congressman Tom O’Halleran (AZ-01) introduced the Broadband Adoption and Opportunity Act: bipartisan legislation to leverage public-private partnerships to refurbish internet-capable devices for students and underserved families through donation, lending, or low-cost purchasing programs. The bill is co-sponsored by Congressman Bill Johnson (OH-06).....

https://www.digitalinclusion.org/blog/2020/07/07/released-broadband-adoption-and-opportunity-act/


For at least 7 years Democrats having been trying. I wonder what the hold up has been....

[Spurminator]

I haven't conversed with TSA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7640) as much as you all, and wasn't around for him promoting Pizzagate, but I think he's rather reasonable. I think he trolls with shit like Pizzagate for the sake of pissing off liberals. I would guess he's a hold-your-nose Trump voter and voted for him for the tax breaks and his gun control position. He probably acts as Trump fanboy to, again, irritate Liberals. Trump is a piece of dogshit, but I'd vote for the Liberal version of Trump if it meant said dogshit politician would raise taxes on the rich and usher in universal healthcare.

LOL no.

No reasonable person spends that much time and effort "trolling."

[Blake]

I’m an epidemiologist and a dad. Here’s why I think schools should reopen.

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/9/21318560/covid-19-coronavirus-us-testing-children-schools-reopening-questions

"...I serve on the reopening committee for my synagogue and for my school district. I consult for businesses as they reopen...."

Hmm

[ChumpDumper]

I’m an epidemiologist and a dad. Here’s why I think schools should reopen.

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/9/21318560/covid-19-coronavirus-us-testing-children-schools-reopening-questionsTo do this well, and to do it safely, we must have school-based Covid-19 symptom screening, testing, contact tracing, and isolation. “School-based testing” does not mean that the test themselves must occur in school buildings. “School-based testing” means that students and teachers can easily access a test by contacting the school, and that the results of those tests are sent directly to the school district in real time.

That seems straightforward, but it is not. The community does not yet have adequate testing, contact tracing, or isolation. Schools currently have nothing.

It requires building new capacity in schools for testing and contact tracing. It requires a budget. It requires a formal plan. Ideally, that budget should come from the federal government and be directed to states and ultimately school districts, as part of a national Covid-19 testing strategy. Realistically, given the lack of any such national plan, the funds need to come from individual states.

Schools are going to open with none of this.

[Blake]

I’m an epidemiologist and a dad. Here’s why I think schools should reopen.

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/9/21318560/covid-19-coronavirus-us-testing-children-schools-reopening-questions

"We need school-based Covid-19 symptom screening, testing, contact tracing, and isolation. Opening without a plan to test is irresponsible and a gamble with our children’s health...."

I haven't seen any plans to test from any school districts

[boutons_deux]

"symptom screening, testing, contact tracing, and isolation"

all labor and equipment intensive, who supplies both, and who pays?

[TSA]

This is utter bullshit. I can say the same. I come from a family made up of educators (teachers, principals, district employees, etc) and they're scared. Several are contemplating resignation. You call yourself an a former teacher? Then tell me how you plan to keep an 8 y/o child to keep his/her mask on, social distancing from peers, putting things in his mouth, washing their hands thoroughly? Kids are kids and they can't rationalize the severity of what's going on like an adult to a restaurant or a store you fucking moron.

And I've asked this question before from you stupid ass trump fuckers with no response; please point to the data that indicates increased death rates due to lock downs or economic downturns because right now the virus has about 130k lead on that bullshit theory.

:lol bullshit theory

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768086

Many years ago, one of my duties as a young surgical intern was to fill out death certificates for recently deceased patients. Under “cause of death,” Part I asked for the immediate cause, other conditions leading to it, and the underlying cause. Part II asked for “other significant conditions contributing to death but not resulting in the underlying cause given in Part I.” If you think this is confusing, you’re right. Did the post-operative patient found dead in bed really die of a heart attack, a pulmonary embolism, or some operative complication, like bleeding? Where do you list their colon cancer or hypertension?

The task has not gotten any easier during the Covid-19 pandemic. People are still dying of heart disease, stroke, cancer, and accidents. But now there is a new respiratory illness to account for. Not every decedent who tested positive for the virus that causes Covid-19 died from it—in fact, the disease is mild for most people. Conversely, some deaths due to Covid-19 may be erroneously assigned to other causes of death because the people were never tested, and Covid-19 was not diagnosed. Nearly everyone dying of Covid-19 has concurrent health problems—the average decedent has 2.5 co-morbid conditions—and hypertension, heart disease, respiratory diseases, and diabetes are among the most common. The presence and interaction of these co-morbid conditions is what sometimes changes Covid-19 from a relatively benign disease into a killer. But co-morbidities can also cause death regardless of Covid-19.

A common way to distinguish the mortality burden of a new infectious agent from other causes of death is to estimate the excess deaths that occurred beyond what would be expected if the pathogen had not circulated. A recent study of 48 states and the District of Columbia estimated 122,300 excess deaths during the pandemic period of March 1 to May 30, compared with expected deaths calculated from the previous five years. Deaths officially attributed to Covid-19 accounted for 78 percent of the total; approximately 27,000 deaths (22 percent) were not attributed to Covid-19. A second study, using the same database with different statistical methods for the period March 1 to April 25, found that 65 percent of 87,000 excess deaths were attributed to Covid-19.

Only part of the discrepancy between excess deaths and official Covid deaths results from undercounting of Covid deaths. In New York City, when excess deaths between March 11 (the first recorded Covid-19 death) and May 2 were examined, only 57 percent had laboratory-confirmed Covid-19. Yet when probable deaths—deaths for which Covid-19, SARS-CoV-2, or an equivalent term was listed on the death certificate as an immediate, underlying, or contributing cause of death, but that did not have laboratory confirmation of Covid-19—were added in, 22 percent of excess deaths were still not attributed to Covid-19.

The indirect effect of the pandemic—deaths caused by the social and economic responses to the pandemic, including lockdowns—appears to explain the balance. For instance, people delayed needed medical care because they were instructed to shelter in place, were too scared to go to the doctor, or were unable to obtain care because of limitations on available care, including a moratorium on elective procedures.

Inpatient admissions nationwide in VA hospitals, the nation’s largest hospital system, were down 42 percent for six emergency conditions—stroke, myocardial infarction (MI), heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, appendicitis, and pneumonia—during six weeks of the Covid-19 pandemic (March 11 to April 21) compared with the six weeks immediately prior (January 29 to March 10). The drop was significant for all six conditions and ranged from a decrease of 40 percent for MI to 57 percent for appendicitis. No such decrease in admissions was found for the same six-week period in 2019. These emergency conditions did not become any less lethal as a result of the pandemic; rather, people simply died from acute illnesses that would have been treated in normal times.

Deaths from chronic, non-emergent conditions also increased as patients put off maintenance visits and their medical conditions deteriorated. In the second study of excess deaths, the five states with the most Covid-19 deaths from March through April (Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania), experienced large proportional increases in deaths from non-respiratory underlying causes, including diabetes (96 percent), heart diseases (89 percent), Alzheimer’s disease (64 percent), and cerebrovascular diseases (35 percent). New York City—the nation’s Covid-19 epicenter during that period—experienced the largest increases in non-respiratory deaths, notably from heart disease (398 percent) and diabetes (356 percent).

Cancer diagnoses were delayed for months as patients were unable to obtain “elective” screening procedures. For some, this will result in more advanced disease. Diagnosed cancer cases—normally treated with surgery or inpatient medical treatments—were treated with outpatient treatments instead. While some oncologists rationalized that the results might be just as good, physicians were clearly deviating from the standard of care.

The lockdowns led to wide unemployment and economic recession, resulting in increased drug and alcohol abuse and increases in domestic abuse and suicides. Most studies in a systematic literature review found a positive association between economic recession and increased suicides. Data from the 2008 Great Recession showed a strong positive correlation between increasing unemployment and increasing suicide in middle aged (45–64) people. Ten times as many people texted a federal government disaster mental-distress hotline in April 2020 as in April 2019.

As we consider how to deal with resurgent numbers of Covid cases, we must acknowledge that mitigation measures like shelter-in-place and lockdowns appear to have contributed to the death toll. The orders were issued by states and localities in late March; excess deaths peaked in the week ending April 11. Reopening began in mid-April, and by May 20 all states that had imposed orders started to lift restrictions. In June, as the economy continued reopening, excess deaths waned.

Our focus must be on ensuring that the health-care system can simultaneously treat Covid-19 and other maladies and reassuring patients that it is safe to seek care. Otherwise, today’s young physicians will have to start entering a new cause of death on death certificates—“public policy.”

https://www.city-journal.org/deadly-cost-of-lockdown-policies

[ChumpDumper]

Reopening began in mid-April, and by May 20 all states that had imposed orders started to lift restrictions. In June, as the economy continued reopening, excess deaths waned.:lol the states that had imposed orders cut down their COVID cases.

How is that not even a factor for lower excess deaths to this dude?

Find someone who is not trying to confirm his bias. Thanks in advance.

[KobesAchilles]

Don't forget every single class is going to have one asshole who thinks it's funny to go cough on the teacher, cough on the girl next to him, and so on. Haha, I killed the teacher.
Shit man they don’t even put away their cell phones I can’t see them just sitting pretty with their masks singing Kumbaya. Thing that TSA doesn’t get us that it’s not like we only teach 5 year olds. I teach teens and they certainly get Covid and pass on Covid. I know this bc of all the prom parties back in May in Katy where everyone got sick and infected everyone else. And every class is over populated here. I got 38 kids in one class and average 33. That’s a lot of people in a small space. HoustonISD is the most underfunded place I’ve ever seen. Shit makes SaISD and SouthSan look good. It’s not like the kids will be able to get tested, hell I don’t even think the staff will get tested either. It’s a Petri dish here and I’m the experiment

[Blake]

"Miami-Dade County Public Schools won’t be able to reopen schools, as a new state order calls for, if the county is still in its Phase 1 reopening stage, which county leaders are tightening due to a surge of COVID-19 cases, Miami-Dade Schools Superintendent Alberto Carvalho said Tuesday.

If conditions continue on the same upward trajectory — Florida’s confirmed COVID-19 cases have doubled in the past two weeks to more than 213,000 — Carvalho said in an interview with the Herald that he did not foresee MDCPS “being able to resume schooling in a traditional way.”

If the county is still in Phase 1 by the start of school Aug. 24, as it is now, schooling would be held entirely online.....

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article244063802.html

[baseline bum]

Didn't Miami-Dade have a 33% positivity rate today? Think I saw that on the news about 20 minutes ago.

[hater]

Didn't Miami-Dade have a 33% positivity rate today? Think I saw that on the news about 20 minutes ago.

That was yesterday.

Not sure about today

[TimDunkem]

That was yesterday.

Not sure about today

It was 28% today. Not much better.

[Blake]

"....But the state’s [Texas] public health guidance does not give teachers an avenue to opt out like parents can, and says little about how school districts should protect the teachers and staff who are more vulnerable than children to dying from the virus — leaving those decisions largely up to locals.

The extreme political pressure on school districts to keep their buildings open, even as the number of COVID-19 cases in Texas hits day-after-day record highs, is terrifying for educators and school staff who may have to put their health at risk to keep their jobs.

“Teachers at this point we’re ready to put our collective foot down and we’re not going to be bullied into going back into an unsafe situation,” said Traci Dunlap, an Austin ISD kindergarten teacher. “Unfortunately, I have a lot of colleagues around the state that are talking about resigning, retiring, retiring early, leaving the teaching profession.

Particularly galling for some teachers is the TEA's own behavior. Even as the agency compels teachers back to the classroom, its own offices remain all-but-closed with most staff working from home to protect their own health. As of July, agency staff have had the option to return to the office building on a “voluntary basis” and the TEA is working on next steps for “later this summer and beyond,” according to a written statement from the agency.

[ChumpDumper]

Teach kids in bars.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GloomyCanineIntermediateegret-size_restricted.gif

[weebo]

:lol bullshit theory

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768086

Many years ago, one of my duties as a young surgical intern was to fill out death certificates for recently deceased patients. Under “cause of death,” Part I asked for the immediate cause, other conditions leading to it, and the underlying cause. Part II asked for “other significant conditions contributing to death but not resulting in the underlying cause given in Part I.” If you think this is confusing, you’re right. Did the post-operative patient found dead in bed really die of a heart attack, a pulmonary embolism, or some operative complication, like bleeding? Where do you list their colon cancer or hypertension?

The task has not gotten any easier during the Covid-19 pandemic. People are still dying of heart disease, stroke, cancer, and accidents. But now there is a new respiratory illness to account for. Not every decedent who tested positive for the virus that causes Covid-19 died from it—in fact, the disease is mild for most people. Conversely, some deaths due to Covid-19 may be erroneously assigned to other causes of death because the people were never tested, and Covid-19 was not diagnosed. Nearly everyone dying of Covid-19 has concurrent health problems—the average decedent has 2.5 co-morbid conditions—and hypertension, heart disease, respiratory diseases, and diabetes are among the most common. The presence and interaction of these co-morbid conditions is what sometimes changes Covid-19 from a relatively benign disease into a killer. But co-morbidities can also cause death regardless of Covid-19.

A common way to distinguish the mortality burden of a new infectious agent from other causes of death is to estimate the excess deaths that occurred beyond what would be expected if the pathogen had not circulated. A recent study of 48 states and the District of Columbia estimated 122,300 excess deaths during the pandemic period of March 1 to May 30, compared with expected deaths calculated from the previous five years. Deaths officially attributed to Covid-19 accounted for 78 percent of the total; approximately 27,000 deaths (22 percent) were not attributed to Covid-19. A second study, using the same database with different statistical methods for the period March 1 to April 25, found that 65 percent of 87,000 excess deaths were attributed to Covid-19.

Only part of the discrepancy between excess deaths and official Covid deaths results from undercounting of Covid deaths. In New York City, when excess deaths between March 11 (the first recorded Covid-19 death) and May 2 were examined, only 57 percent had laboratory-confirmed Covid-19. Yet when probable deaths—deaths for which Covid-19, SARS-CoV-2, or an equivalent term was listed on the death certificate as an immediate, underlying, or contributing cause of death, but that did not have laboratory confirmation of Covid-19—were added in, 22 percent of excess deaths were still not attributed to Covid-19.

The indirect effect of the pandemic—deaths caused by the social and economic responses to the pandemic, including lockdowns—appears to explain the balance. For instance, people delayed needed medical care because they were instructed to shelter in place, were too scared to go to the doctor, or were unable to obtain care because of limitations on available care, including a moratorium on elective procedures.

Inpatient admissions nationwide in VA hospitals, the nation’s largest hospital system, were down 42 percent for six emergency conditions—stroke, myocardial infarction (MI), heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, appendicitis, and pneumonia—during six weeks of the Covid-19 pandemic (March 11 to April 21) compared with the six weeks immediately prior (January 29 to March 10). The drop was significant for all six conditions and ranged from a decrease of 40 percent for MI to 57 percent for appendicitis. No such decrease in admissions was found for the same six-week period in 2019. These emergency conditions did not become any less lethal as a result of the pandemic; rather, people simply died from acute illnesses that would have been treated in normal times.

Deaths from chronic, non-emergent conditions also increased as patients put off maintenance visits and their medical conditions deteriorated. In the second study of excess deaths, the five states with the most Covid-19 deaths from March through April (Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania), experienced large proportional increases in deaths from non-respiratory underlying causes, including diabetes (96 percent), heart diseases (89 percent), Alzheimer’s disease (64 percent), and cerebrovascular diseases (35 percent). New York City—the nation’s Covid-19 epicenter during that period—experienced the largest increases in non-respiratory deaths, notably from heart disease (398 percent) and diabetes (356 percent).

Cancer diagnoses were delayed for months as patients were unable to obtain “elective” screening procedures. For some, this will result in more advanced disease. Diagnosed cancer cases—normally treated with surgery or inpatient medical treatments—were treated with outpatient treatments instead. While some oncologists rationalized that the results might be just as good, physicians were clearly deviating from the standard of care.

The lockdowns led to wide unemployment and economic recession, resulting in increased drug and alcohol abuse and increases in domestic abuse and suicides. Most studies in a systematic literature review found a positive association between economic recession and increased suicides. Data from the 2008 Great Recession showed a strong positive correlation between increasing unemployment and increasing suicide in middle aged (45–64) people. Ten times as many people texted a federal government disaster mental-distress hotline in April 2020 as in April 2019.

As we consider how to deal with resurgent numbers of Covid cases, we must acknowledge that mitigation measures like shelter-in-place and lockdowns appear to have contributed to the death toll. The orders were issued by states and localities in late March; excess deaths peaked in the week ending April 11. Reopening began in mid-April, and by May 20 all states that had imposed orders started to lift restrictions. In June, as the economy continued reopening, excess deaths waned.

Our focus must be on ensuring that the health-care system can simultaneously treat Covid-19 and other maladies and reassuring patients that it is safe to seek care. Otherwise, today’s young physicians will have to start entering a new cause of death on death certificates—“public policy.”

https://www.city-journal.org/deadly-cost-of-lockdown-policies

Not sure what argument you're trying to make here. But I work for multiple hospital systems. People who are not tending to medical emergencies aren't due to lockdowns or economic turn downs. They're not showing up because they're scared of catching the virus. Why? Because that's where COVID pts are being treated and no one wants to be admitted for fear of catching it. But go ahead and keep thinking you know what's really going on because you found a couple of articles that sorta kinda back up your bullshit theory.

[boutons_deux]

T G I F! :lol

Florida governor finally releases the true numbers of people hospitalized with coronavirus

7,000 Floridians are in hospitals hoping they survive the virus.

“As of Friday, Miami-Dade had more than 1,500 hospitalized COVID-19 patients, the largest number reported in Florida,

followed by Broward County at 970 and Palm Beach County at 600.

Orange County had the fourth-largest number of COVID-19 hospitalizations at 478,”

Until now, Florida has been one of only three states hiding the truth about the COVID-19 hospitalizations from the public.

Trump, who was in Miami-Dade County Friday afternoon, has celebrated the COVID-19 cases, saying that

the death rate is going down and all is well. :lol

In fact, the death rates are beginning to increase. :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-governor-finally-releases-the-true-numbers-of-people-hospitalized-with-coronavirus/

[tholdren]

Not sure what argument you're trying to make here. But I work for multiple hospital systems. People who are not tending to medical emergencies aren't due to lockdowns or economic turn downs. They're not showing up because they're scared of catching the virus. Why? Because that's where COVID pts are being treated and no one wants to be admitted for fear of catching it. But go ahead and keep thinking you know what's really going on because you found a couple of articles that sorta kinda back up your bullshit theory.

Lol.

Gossip.


Wrong. They didn't show up because they weren't allowed. And now they are. Covid, even in Houston, isn't taking up as many gen or icu beds as non covid patients.

Stop the gossip

[Blake]

"(CNN)Internal documents from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned that fully reopening K-12 schools and universities would be the "highest risk" for the spread of coronavirus, according to a New York Times report, as President Donald Trump and his administration push for students and teachers to return in-person to classrooms.

The 69-page document obtained by the Times marked "For Internal Use Only" was among materials for federal public health response teams deployed to coronavirus hotspots to help local public health officials handle the outbreak, the newspaper reported.

The document was circulated this week, the Times reported, as Trump slammed the CDC guidelines around reopening schools and he, Vice President Mike Pence and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos increased their pressure on schools to fully reopen by the fall....."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-high-risk-schools-reopening/index.html

[Spurtacular]

"(CNN)Internal documents from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned that fully reopening K-12 schools and universities would be the "highest risk" for the spread of coronavirus, according to a New York Times report, as President Donald Trump and his administration push for students and teachers to return in-person to classrooms.

The 69-page document obtained by the Times marked "For Internal Use Only" was among materials for federal public health response teams deployed to coronavirus hotspots to help local public health officials handle the outbreak, the newspaper reported.

The document was circulated this week, the Times reported, as Trump slammed the CDC guidelines around reopening schools and he, Vice President Mike Pence and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos increased their pressure on schools to fully reopen by the fall....."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-high-risk-schools-reopening/index.html

Scaredy cuck.

[boutons_deux]

Florida COVID-19 cases top a quarter million

Cases of COVID-19 in Florida pushed past a quarter million Saturday, as the state reported 10,383 additional people with the disease.The state posted 95 additional deaths.

Neither total is a record, but both reflect the worsening trends of the past two weeks. The record for deaths was set Thursday, with 120.

Gov. Ron DeSantis, whose aggressive push to reopen Florida has proved controversial,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-covid-19-cases-top-a-quarter-million/

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r3907764401144763944&th=17342a316ea8826d&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ8359Z2-KGUJh57OJrAKSYlHiIqzViRUMTt1h2A3HPxF-6uoQNh5Kd8DsG9WOY09RSijQkZywwH4vxBv10jt0Sr0Q7iwZxL PCeAXID7NdvWO9OU4dfIk_Z27i4&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kciyejeq0

[tholdren]

https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/

[rmt]

Florida COVID-19 cases top a quarter million

Cases of COVID-19 in Florida pushed past a quarter million Saturday, as the state reported 10,383 additional people with the disease.The state posted 95 additional deaths.

Neither total is a record, but both reflect the worsening trends of the past two weeks. The record for deaths was set Thursday, with 120.

Gov. Ron DeSantis, whose aggressive push to reopen Florida has proved controversial,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-covid-19-cases-top-a-quarter-million/

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r3907764401144763944&th=17342a316ea8826d&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ8359Z2-KGUJh57OJrAKSYlHiIqzViRUMTt1h2A3HPxF-6uoQNh5Kd8DsG9WOY09RSijQkZywwH4vxBv10jt0Sr0Q7iwZxL PCeAXID7NdvWO9OU4dfIk_Z27i4&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kciyejeq0

Was there this scrutiny and criticism of New York when its record for daily death was set at 597? And yes, I know Florida's daily death will go higher but I doubt it will reach New York's. And the number of cases (unreliable [comparison] as it is since we're testing way more) is 10,383 compared to New York's 6378.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

[Dirks_Finale]

SAISD is talking about holding classes in the gym - -everyone spread out. Eliminating obvious easy spreading vehicles like P.E. class. Of course you guys are now the mask police and also have to remind kids to sanitize their hands constantly. Yeah right :lol

Supposed to be some virtual district meeting here on Tuesday where employees voice their concerns. I would be shocked if the start date doesn't get pushed back a month or so here. Maybe in Houston as well.


Shit man they don’t even put away their cell phones I can’t see them just sitting pretty with their masks singing Kumbaya. Thing that TSA doesn’t get us that it’s not like we only teach 5 year olds. I teach teens and they certainly get Covid and pass on Covid. I know this bc of all the prom parties back in May in Katy where everyone got sick and infected everyone else. And every class is over populated here. I got 38 kids in one class and average 33. That’s a lot of people in a small space. HoustonISD is the most underfunded place I’ve ever seen. Shit makes SaISD and SouthSan look good. It’s not like the kids will be able to get tested, hell I don’t even think the staff will get tested either. It’s a Petri dish here and I’m the experiment

[rmt]

And it looks like this link is for New York City - not the whole state of New York? Too tired to confirm - sorry - ah, work tomorrow :-(

[ElNono]

Was there this scrutiny and criticism of New York when its record for daily death was set at 597? And yes, I know Florida's daily death will go higher but I doubt it will reach New York's. And the number of cases (unreliable [comparison] as it is since we're testing way more) is 10,383 compared to New York's 6378.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

I hope you're right, but these posts have rarely aged well in the covid era...

At least Florida is getting help from New York, both on drugs and equipment, but more importantly, experience.

[tholdren]

Was there this scrutiny and criticism of New York when its record for daily death was set at 597? And yes, I know Florida's daily death will go higher but I doubt it will reach New York's. And the number of cases (unreliable [comparison] as it is since we're testing way more) is 10,383 compared to New York's 6378.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page
20 percent of covid deaths not confirmed.

[Blake]

Was there this scrutiny and criticism of New York when its record for daily death was set at 597? And yes, I know Florida's daily death will go higher but I doubt it will reach New York's. And the number of cases (unreliable [comparison] as it is since we're testing way more) is 10,383 compared to New York's 6378.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

Whataboutism.

New York made mistakes but gets way more slack for having dealt with it first.

Florida and Texas get no slack for their deaths. Everyone in the medical field begged them not to reopen so quickly.

Fuck these two garbage piece of shit governors and fuck you for the subtle partisan finger pointing.

[midnightpulp]

I hope you're right, but these posts have rarely aged well in the covid era...

At least Florida is getting help from New York, both on drugs and equipment, but more importantly, experience.

The conservative deflection to New York is a cheap move. "B-B-But the nursing homes." When New York was surging, they needed to do something with recovered patients who were occupying bed space. The only choice in a hectic situation like that is to send them to facility where they can be further tended to, since you just don't jump out of the bed when you recover from this virus.


There is an urgent need to expand hospital capacity in New York State to be able to meet the demand for patients with COVID-19 requiring acute care. As a result, this directive is being issued to clarify expectations for nursing homes (NHs) receiving residents returning from hospitalization and for NHs accepting new admissions.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-yorks-nursing-homes-ship-empty/


The directive was intended to help free up hospital beds for the sickest patients as cases surged. But several relatives, patient advocates and nursing administrators who spoke to the AP at the time blamed the policy for helping to spread the virus among the state’s most fragile residents. To date, more than 6,400 deaths have been linked to the coronavirus in New York’s nursing home and long-term care-facilities.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7145722/coronavirus-new-york-nursing-homes/

DeSantis hasn't really been forced to make any tough decisions throughout this ordeal, since no FL region ever saw a surge close to what New York was experiencing. He kind of fumbled his way through everything and lucked out that spread wasn't prevalent during that time, probably due to the weather (temperature was perfect enough to keep people outdoors and moving around, while during Summer, people are driven into air conditioned environments. Why we're seeing such the massive outbreak in AZ) and of course smaller population density. But he'll sure as shit is going to have to make some tough decisions now, and what does he do? Allows Disney World to reopen :lol

He's been incompetent throughout all of this, but FL probably won't see the same death toll as NY, since the state has built in advantages that NY doesn't, but DeSantis will cause a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering, not because he made a tough decision that backfired (like the nursing home situation) because he's making idiotic decisions.

[midnightpulp]

Whataboutism.

New York made mistakes but gets way more slack for having dealt with it first.

Florida and Texas get no slack for their deaths. Everyone in the medical field begged them not to reopen so quickly.

Fuck these two garbage piece of shit governors and fuck you for the subtle partisan finger pointing.

Newsom caved to "muh economy" here, too. CA is still doing much better than TX, AZ, and FL, with an 8 percent positive rate over this week, but these trends can change in a hurry.

[ElNono]

The conservative deflection to New York is a cheap move. "B-B-But the nursing homes." When New York was surging, they needed to do something with recovered patients who were occupying bed space. The only choice in a hectic situation like that is to send them to facility where they can be further tended to, since you just don't jump out of the bed when you recover from this virus.

This is the kind of dick move by DeSantis which tells you all you need to know about the guy:

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2020/07/11/desantis-downplayed-new-york-help-his-aides-very-much-appreciated-1299771

[boutons_deux]

Will the NY Senators do a Rick Scott and say "We don't want to pay for FL's C19 crisis"

[boutons_deux]

One-Third of All Coronavirus Tests Came Back Positive

in Miami-Dade County on Thursday

https://gizmodo.com/one-third-of-all...ign=2020-07-13 (https://gizmodo.com/one-third-of-all-coronavirus-tests-came-back-positive-i-1844342579?utm_source=gizmodo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-07-13)

[boutons_deux]

I’m an epidemiologist and a dad. Here’s why I think schools should reopen.

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/9/21318560/covid-19-coronavirus-us-testing-children-schools-reopening-questions

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1281054400736264194

[boutons_deux]

USA cannot re-open schools and economy until the pandemic is under control

USA Repug MISgovernance has provoked the pandemic to explode

Meanwhile, seeing what a historic shit storm they have created, Trash + mafiya are scapegoating/blaming Fauci.

Repugs have FUCKED the USA, so FUCK the Repugs.

[rmt]

The press has blown it all out of proportion. I live right here in Miami-Dade - do my shopping here, talk to neighbors/friends/relatives/co-workers - and I'm telling you that the people are fed up with this lockdown and are going about their lives. Local traffic (not so much highway) is horrendous - not as bad as pre-Covid days but pretty bad. Most people wear masks (at least where I go - Publix, Costco) but some improperly (below their nose). Expect the numbers to remain high.

[tholdren]

The conservative deflection to New York is a cheap move. "B-B-But the nursing homes." When New York was surging, they needed to do something with recovered patients who were occupying bed space. The only choice in a hectic situation like that is to send them to facility where they can be further tended to, since you just don't jump out of the bed when you recover from this virus.



https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-yorks-nursing-homes-ship-empty/



https://globalnews.ca/news/7145722/coronavirus-new-york-nursing-homes/

DeSantis hasn't really been forced to make any tough decisions throughout this ordeal, since no FL region ever saw a surge close to what New York was experiencing. He kind of fumbled his way through everything and lucked out that spread wasn't prevalent during that time, probably due to the weather (temperature was perfect enough to keep people outdoors and moving around, while during Summer, people are driven into air conditioned environments. Why we're seeing such the massive outbreak in AZ) and of course smaller population density. But he'll sure as shit is going to have to make some tough decisions now, and what does he do? Allows Disney World to reopen :lol

He's been incompetent throughout all of this, but FL probably won't see the same death toll as NY, since the state has built in advantages that NY doesn't, but DeSantis will cause a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering, not because he made a tough decision that backfired (like the nursing home situation) because he's making idiotic decisions.

Wrong. Hospitals created wings for.Covid-19 patients. Cities created make shift hospitals they never used. Ny over half death from govt fail.

[tholdren]

Sweden and finland study.

Closure of schools had no measurable impact on cases in students.


https://t.co/fukFYFK77e?amp=1

[boutons_deux]

Dave Thomas 9 hrs facebook

Questions for School Openings:

• If a teacher tests positive for COVID-19 are they required to quarantine for 2-3 weeks? Is their sick leave covered, paid?

• If that teacher has 5 classes a day with 30 students each, do all 150 of those students need to then stay home and quarantine for 14 days?

• Do all 150 of those students now have to get tested? Who pays for those tests? Are they happening at school? How are the parents being notified? Does everyone in each of those kids' families need to get tested? Who pays for that?

• What if someone who lives in the same house as a teacher tests positive? Does that teacher now need to take 14 days off of work to quarantine? Is that time off covered? Paid?

• Where is the district going to find a substitute teacher who will work in a classroom full of exposed, possibly infected students for substitute pay?

• Substitutes teach in multiple schools. What if they are diagnosed with COVID-19? Do all the kids in each school now have to quarantine and get tested? Who is going to pay for that?

• What if a student in your kid's class tests positive? What if your kid tests positive? Does every other student and teacher they have been around quarantine? Do we all get notified who is infected and when? Or because of HIPAA regulations are parents and teachers just going to get mysterious “may have been in contact” emails all year long?

• What is this stress going to do to our teachers? How does it affect their health and well-being? How does it affect their ability to teach? How does it affect the quality of education they are able to provide? What is it going to do to our kids? What are the long-term effects of consistently being stressed out?

• How will it affect students and faculty when the first teacher in their school dies from this? The first parent of a student who brought it home? The first kid?

• How many more people are going to die, that otherwise would not have if we had stayed home longer?

30% of the teachers in the US are over 50.

About 16% of the total deaths in the US are people between the ages of 45-65.

We are choosing to put our teachers in danger.

[rmt]

Dave Thomas 9 hrs facebook

Questions for School Openings:

• If a teacher tests positive for COVID-19 are they required to quarantine for 2-3 weeks? Is their sick leave covered, paid?

• If that teacher has 5 classes a day with 30 students each, do all 150 of those students need to then stay home and quarantine for 14 days?

• Do all 150 of those students now have to get tested? Who pays for those tests? Are they happening at school? How are the parents being notified? Does everyone in each of those kids' families need to get tested? Who pays for that?

• What if someone who lives in the same house as a teacher tests positive? Does that teacher now need to take 14 days off of work to quarantine? Is that time off covered? Paid?

• Where is the district going to find a substitute teacher who will work in a classroom full of exposed, possibly infected students for substitute pay?

• Substitutes teach in multiple schools. What if they are diagnosed with COVID-19? Do all the kids in each school now have to quarantine and get tested? Who is going to pay for that?

• What if a student in your kid's class tests positive? What if your kid tests positive? Does every other student and teacher they have been around quarantine? Do we all get notified who is infected and when? Or because of HIPAA regulations are parents and teachers just going to get mysterious “may have been in contact” emails all year long?

• What is this stress going to do to our teachers? How does it affect their health and well-being? How does it affect their ability to teach? How does it affect the quality of education they are able to provide? What is it going to do to our kids? What are the long-term effects of consistently being stressed out?

• How will it affect students and faculty when the first teacher in their school dies from this? The first parent of a student who brought it home? The first kid?

• How many more people are going to die, that otherwise would not have if we had stayed home longer?

30% of the teachers in the US are over 50.

About 16% of the total deaths in the US are people between the ages of 45-65.

We are choosing to put our teachers in danger.



Why all this concern over teachers? Their clientele is less susceptible to covid than the general population you see at the supermarket, doctor/dentist office, Walmart, Costco, etc. and no one's so worried about those employees.

[rmt]

The conservative deflection to New York is a cheap move. "B-B-But the nursing homes." When New York was surging, they needed to do something with recovered patients who were occupying bed space. The only choice in a hectic situation like that is to send them to facility where they can be further tended to, since you just don't jump out of the bed when you recover from this virus.



https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-yorks-nursing-homes-ship-empty/



https://globalnews.ca/news/7145722/coronavirus-new-york-nursing-homes/

DeSantis hasn't really been forced to make any tough decisions throughout this ordeal, since no FL region ever saw a surge close to what New York was experiencing. He kind of fumbled his way through everything and lucked out that spread wasn't prevalent during that time, probably due to the weather (temperature was perfect enough to keep people outdoors and moving around, while during Summer, people are driven into air conditioned environments. Why we're seeing such the massive outbreak in AZ) and of course smaller population density. But he'll sure as shit is going to have to make some tough decisions now, and what does he do? Allows Disney World to reopen :lol

He's been incompetent throughout all of this, but FL probably won't see the same death toll as NY, since the state has built in advantages that NY doesn't, but DeSantis will cause a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering, not because he made a tough decision that backfired (like the nursing home situation) because he's making idiotic decisions.

It is this over exaggeration of the press - blowing this all out of proportion and the result is people painting the entire state with the same brush. Disney (of which we have been Florida resident pass holders for MANY years) is an excellent company which by all accounts have done an outstanding job in social distancing, spacing, pre-cautions for Covid. They will not open themselves up for lawsuits and you can be sure their procedures (the place is run seamlessly even when super crowded) are top-notch.

Gosh, it's almost like some of you want everywhere shut down - no matter what precautions are taken.

[ChumpDumper]

Same straw man every time.

[rmt]

Same straw man every time.

Expect push back when the criticism is unfounded - Disney is a top-notch run company - no employee without a smile, none of the typical employee snafu, a MAGICAL experience even when it's hot and the lines are long (pre-covid). There is no reason to expect that they will not ensure the safety of their customers.

[midnightpulp]

It is this over exaggeration of the press - blowing this all out of proportion and the result is people painting the entire state with the same brush. Disney (of which we have been Florida resident pass holders for MANY years) is an excellent company which by all accounts have done an outstanding job in social distancing, spacing, pre-cautions for Covid. They will not open themselves up for lawsuits and you can be sure their procedures (the place is run seamlessly even when super crowded) are top-notch.

Gosh, it's almost like some of you want everywhere shut down - no matter what precautions are taken.

Going to Disneyworld to hug Mickey isn't an essential activity right now in a state that is swarming with Covid. If FL crushed their curve like Australia or something, then sure.

Seems you're more bothered by the fact the criticism is directed toward a company you like (which is one of the biggest shitheel corporations on the planet) than the public health implications of reopening the park.

[ChumpDumper]

Expect push back when the criticism is unfounded - Disney is a top-notch run company - no employee without a smile, none of the typical employee snafu, a MAGICAL experience even when it's hot and the lines are long (pre-covid). There is no reason to expect that they will not ensure the safety of their customers.I expect nonstop fallacies from Team Trump.

[boutons_deux]

Betsy DeVos Promises to Protect Children from Education

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5f0c6ef20c48640775126ede/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Borowitz-DeVos.jpg

WASHINGTON, D.C. —Betsy DeVos vowed on Sunday to do everything in her power as Secretary of Education to protect the nation’s children from education.

In an interview on CNN, DeVos said many parents were “understandably concerned” that,

if their children return to school in the fall, they might be exposed to learning.

“That will not happen on my watch,” she promised.

“We are working around the clock at the Department of Education

to keep your children safe from comprehension.”

DeVos said that her staff had drafted strict distancing measures

to ensure that America’s students are as distanced as possible from anything resembling a curriculum

when they return to school.

“If it means eliminating books, computers, or even teachers, your kids will be distanced,” she said.

Raising a worst-case scenario, DeVos said that,

if knowledge is somehow transmitted to students, “I will shut down that school in a minute.”

“We will be doing a lot of testing,” DeVos said.

“If students’ test scores somehow go up, then I have failed.”
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/betsy-devos-promises-to-protect-children-from-education (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/betsy-devos-promises-to-protect-children-from-education)

[midnightpulp]

Expect push back when the criticism is unfounded - Disney is a top-notch run company - no employee without a smile, none of the typical employee snafu, a MAGICAL experience even when it's hot and the lines are long (pre-covid). There is no reason to expect that they will not ensure the safety of their customers.

No employee without a smile. :lol

Smiling on the outside while dying on the inside having to act phony for entitled tourists and their brats while making 14 bucks a hour.

[TimDunkem]

No employee without a smile. :lol

Smiling on the outside while dying on the inside having to act phony for entitled tourists and their brats while making 14 bucks a hour.

To be fair that's like 5 bucks more than the average wage slave going out into the world of 65k infections per day.

[tholdren]

To be fair that's like 5 bucks more than the average wage slave going out into the world of 65k infections per day.

Good thing you lied about having it.

[TimDunkem]

Bwahahaha 45% set shot 2s. So much skilllllll

Bwahaha old man lied about being a HS star

Bwahaha disappeared in March and April to watch clips of pre-3pt line NBA

[Blake]

To be fair that's like 5 bucks more than the average wage slave going out into the world of 65k infections per day.

I dunno. Target minimum wage is $15

[Blake]

The press has blown it all out of proportion. I live right here in Miami-Dade - do my shopping here, talk to neighbors/friends/relatives/co-workers - and I'm telling you that the people are fed up with this lockdown and are going about their lives. Local traffic (not so much highway) is horrendous - not as bad as pre-Covid days but pretty bad. Most people wear masks (at least where I go - Publix, Costco) but some improperly (below their nose). Expect the numbers to remain high.

Lol "the press has blown it all out of proportion because I gossip with my friends"

[Spurtacular]

Lol "the press has blown it all out of proportion because I gossip with my friends"

How do you not understand that your cuckstincts fail you?

[TimDunkem]

I dunno. Target minimum wage is $15

That's probably why my local one always has just a register or two open everytime I go. :lol

[Blake]

That's probably why my local one always has just a register or two open everytime I go. :lol

No kidding

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1282779793466052609

[midnightpulp]

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1282779793466052609

Where I might want to pump the breaks on sending children back to school full stop is the possibility of long terms effects from even asymptomatic infections in adults. In recovered "mild cases," we're finding issues like reduced lung capacity, congestive heart failure (which is when your left ventricle falls below 50 percent ejection), and cognitive issues.

There need to be a study done ASAP of a large sample size of children and teens who've recovered from the virus to see the prevalence and severity of lingering effects.

[ChumpDumper]

More than 40 coronavirus cases in Saline are linked to a Fourth of July party.

The Washtenaw County Health Department has identified 43 confirmed COVID-19 cases and 66 exposed contacts from a house party July 2-3 in the Saline area, according to a news release. The exposed contacts do not count immediate family members from the same household.

Most of the confirmed cases are in people ages 15-25, according to the health department.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/13/saline-fourth-july-party-coronavirus-outbreak/5427368002/

The secret will be to send ten year olds to do all the partying.

[tholdren]

More than 40 coronavirus cases in Saline are linked to a Fourth of July party.

The Washtenaw County Health Department has identified 43 confirmed COVID-19 cases and 66 exposed contacts from a house party July 2-3 in the Saline area, according to a news release. The exposed contacts do not count immediate family members from the same household.

Most of the confirmed cases are in people ages 15-25, according to the health department.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/13/saline-fourth-july-party-coronavirus-outbreak/5427368002/

The secret will be to send ten year olds to do all the partying.
Chumpdump going from dont overwhelm hospitals to state every probable or confirmed case.

He's on it

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump going from dont overwhelm hospitals to state every probable or confirmed case.

He's on itth:loldren just now figuring out most Americans live in cities.

He's on it.

[tholdren]

th:loldren just now figuring out most Americans live in cities.

He's on it.
Chumpdump thinks there's only 20 cities in us.... oh my

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump thinks there's only 20 cities in us.... oh myth:loldren thinks people don't live in cities that are in counties now.... oh my

[tholdren]

th:loldren thinks people don't live in cities that are in counties now.... oh my

bwahhahahahauaauasus

You tried to generalize that cities were the issue, but not all cities, actually no cities, have hospitals over capacity...

So now that you were caught,again, were you

JESTROLLIN



looololoololololokooo

Chumpdump

[Blake]

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1282779793466052609

May 5th?

[ChumpDumper]

bwahhahahahauaauasus

You tried to generalize that cities were the issue, but not all cities, actually no cities, have hospitals over capacity...

So now that you were caught,again, were you

JESTROLLIN



looololoololololokooo

Chumpdump:lol you hid in your bunker when I posted about the Rio Grande Valley hospitals.

[TSA]

May 5th?

Do kids magically become vectors for transmission after Cinco de Mayo?

[ChumpDumper]

Do kids magically become vectors for transmission after Cinco de Mayo?Something happened to close some schools down in France later that month....

[Blake]

Do kids magically become vectors for transmission after Cinco de Mayo?

I didn't realize we had covid all figured out before May 5th

[TSA]

I didn't realize we had covid all figured out before May 5th

What changed after May 5th that made kids become vectors for transmission?

[Blake]

What changed after May 5th that made kids become vectors for transmission?

The TSA method. Insert a strawman into the question and declare victory if you don't answer.

[ChumpDumper]

What changed after May 5th that made kids become vectors for transmission?Who knows? All I know is they did shut schools down because of COVID transmissions traced to the schools later in May.

Also in France on May 5 the seven day rolling average of new infections per capita was many lower than that of Texas today.

[TSA]

The TSA method. Insert a strawman into the question and declare victory if you don't answer.

You pointed out the date of May 5th as if the data up until that point was meaningless. What changed after May 5th?

[ChumpDumper]

I guess they did more than trace one kid from the Alps after May 5.

[Blake]

You pointed out the date of May 5th as if the data up until that point was meaningless. What changed after May 5th?

I never said it was meaningless. Why are you lying?

Seriously, why do all the forever trumpers on this board have to lie like this? It's insane

[Trainwreck2100]

How soon before they start calling teachers "heroes" for babysitting other people's children and dying because of it

[Blake]

How soon before they start calling teachers "heroes" for babysitting other people's children and dying because of it

October?

[TSA]

I never said it was meaningless. Why are you lying?

Seriously, why do all the forever trumpers on this board have to lie like this? It's insane

"as if"

So what changed after May 5th?

[boutons_deux]

K-12 includes ages 10 - 18

are those "kids" non-spreaders?

[Blake]

"as if"

So what changed after May 5th?

More inconclusive studies. Why are you stuck in May? The rest of us live in July.

[TSA]

More inconclusive studies. Why are you stuck in May? The rest of us live in July.

Show me a conclusive study that says kids are vectors for transmission.

[RandomGuy]

Show me a conclusive study that says kids are vectors for transmission.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768391


Approximately 2% to 5% of individuals with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 are younger than 18 years, with a median age of 11 years. Children with COVID-19 have milder symptoms that are predominantly limited to the upper respiratory tract, and rarely require hospitalization. [emphasis mine]

Children get the disease. That makes them a "vector", since it spreads at the very least through aerosols, if not straight airborne.

Viruses reproduce in any human, and spread. Not sure why this is a difficult concept for you, but then again, you lick Trumps boots, so that indicates an ability to grasp basic concepts common to normal humans.

For them not to be a vector, you would have to prove that the version of the virus that children get is different than that of adults, or that this virus magically does not reproduce itself in children. Given that they do get sick, this is a heavy burden on your part. Have at it, boot licker.

[Blake]

Show me a conclusive study that says kids are vectors for transmission.

Do you not understand what inconclusive means?

[clambake]

Trump won’t open the White House. That’s a message his flock ignores.

[hater]

Trump won’t open the White House. That’s a message his flock ignores.

He will probably not send his retarded son bqck to school this fall tbqh

[TSA]

Do you not understand what inconclusive means?

Show me any study that says kids are vectors for transmission.

[TSA]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768391



Children get the disease. That makes them a "vector", since it spreads at the very least through aerosols, if not straight airborne.

Viruses reproduce in any human, and spread. Not sure why this is a difficult concept for you, but then again, you lick Trumps boots, so that indicates an ability to grasp basic concepts common to normal humans.

For them not to be a vector, you would have to prove that the version of the virus that children get is different than that of adults, or that this virus magically does not reproduce itself in children. Given that they do get sick, this is a heavy burden on your part. Have at it, boot licker.

Kids don't carry enough of a viral load to be vectors, and the study you linked doesn't say that kids are vectors for transmission, which is the point being debated.

"Low carriers, low transmitters": study confirms the minimal role of children in the Covid-19 epidemic
https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/peu-porteurs-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19_AV-202005120233.html

Roger Highfield, Science Director, talks to Kari Stefansson, whose genetic sequencing project has revealed how the UK infected Iceland, that children don’t seem to infect parents, and how to control COVID-19.
https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech/medecine/11255942-en-suisse-104-enfants-de-moins-de-10-ans-ont-ete-testes-positifs-au-covid-19.html

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bfmtv.com%2Fsante%2Fpeuporteur s-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19-1912853.html

[hater]

Kids don't carry enough of a viral load to be vectors, and the study you linked doesn't say that kids are vectors for transmission, which is the point being debated.

"Low carriers, low transmitters": study confirms the minimal role of children in the Covid-19 epidemic
https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/peu-porteurs-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19_AV-202005120233.html

Roger Highfield, Science Director, talks to Kari Stefansson, whose genetic sequencing project has revealed how the UK infected Iceland, that children don’t seem to infect parents, and how to control COVID-19.
https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech/medecine/11255942-en-suisse-104-enfants-de-moins-de-10-ans-ont-ete-testes-positifs-au-covid-19.html

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bfmtv.com%2Fsante%2Fpeuporteur s-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19-1912853.html

Teachers are not kids

[TSA]

Kids don't carry enough of a viral load to be vectors, and the study you linked doesn't say that kids are vectors for transmission, which is the point being debated.

"Low carriers, low transmitters": study confirms the minimal role of children in the Covid-19 epidemic
https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/peu-porteurs-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19_AV-202005120233.html

Roger Highfield, Science Director, talks to Kari Stefansson, whose genetic sequencing project has revealed how the UK infected Iceland, that children don’t seem to infect parents, and how to control COVID-19.
https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech/medecine/11255942-en-suisse-104-enfants-de-moins-de-10-ans-ont-ete-testes-positifs-au-covid-19.html

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bfmtv.com%2Fsante%2Fpeuporteur s-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19-1912853.htmlGerman study finds no evidence coronavirus spreads in schools

Schools do not play a major role in spreading the coronavirus, according to the results of a German study released on Monday.

The study, the largest carried out on schoolchildren and teachers in Germany, found traces of the virus in fewer than 1 per cent of teachers and children.

Scientists from Dresden Technical University said they believe children may act as a “brake” on chains of infection.

Prof Reinhard Berner, the head of pediatric medicine at Dresden University Hospital and leader of the study, said the results suggested the virus does not spread easily in schools.

“It is rather the opposite,” Prof Berner told a press conference. “Children act more as a brake on infection. Not every infection that reaches them is passed on.”

The study tested 2,045 children and teachers at 13 schools — including some where there have been cases of the virus. But scientists found antibodies in just 12 of those who took part.

“This means that the degree of immunization in the group of study participants is well below 1 per cent and much lower then we expected,” said Prof Berner. “This suggests schools have not developed into hotspots.”

The study was carried out at schools in three different districts in the region of Saxony.

https://news.yahoo.com/german-study-finds-no-evidence-164704005.html

[Blake]

Teachers are not kids

Teachers don't matter

[TSA]

Kids Rarely Transmit Covid-19, Say UVM Docs in Top Journal

A commentary published in the journal Pediatrics, the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, concludes that children infrequently transmit Covid-19 to each other or to adults and that many schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.

The authors, Benjamin Lee, M.D. and William V. Raszka, Jr., M.D., are both pediatric infectious disease specialists on the faculty of the University of Vermont’s Larner College of Medicine. Dr. Raszka is an associate editor of Pediatrics.

The authors of the commentary, titled “COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame,” base their conclusions on a new study published in the current issue of Pediatrics, “COVID-19 in Children and the Dynamics of Infection in Families,” and four other recent studies that examine Covid-19 transmission by and among children.

In the new Pediatrics study, Klara M. Posfay-Barbe, M.D., a faculty member at University of Geneva’s medical school, and her colleagues studied the households of 39 Swiss children infected with Covid-19. Contract tracing revealed that in only three (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult household contacts.

In a recent study in China, researchers’ contact tracing demonstrated that of the 68 children with Covid-19 admitted to Qingdao Women's and Children's Hospital from January 20 to February 27, 2020, 96% were household contacts of previously infected adults. In another study of Chinese children, nine of 10 children admitted to several provincial hospitals outside Wuhan contracted Covid-19 from an adult, with only one possible child-to-child transmission, based on the timing of disease onset.

In a French study, a boy with Covid-19 exposed over 80 classmates at three schools to the disease. None contracted it. Transmission of other respiratory diseases, including influenza transmission, was common at the schools.

In a study in New South Wales, nine infected students and nine staff across 15 schools exposed a total of 735 students and 128 staff to Covid-19. Only two secondary infections resulted, one transmitted by an adult to a child.

“The data are striking,” said Dr. Raszka. “The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of accumulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren’t following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve.”

Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.

“There is widespread transmission of Covid-19 in Texas today, with many adults congregating without observing social distancing or wearing masks,” he said. “While we don’t yet know the dynamics of the outbreak, it is unlikely that infants and young children in daycare are driving the surge. Based on the evidence, it’s more plausible that adults are passing the infection to the children in the vast majority of cases.”

Additional support for the notion that children are not significant vectors of the disease comes from mathematical modeling, the authors say. Models show that community-wide social distancing and widespread adoption of facial cloth coverings are far better strategies for curtailing disease spread, and that closing schools adds little. The fact that schools have reopened in many Western European countries and in Japan without seeing a rise in community transmissions bears out the accuracy of the modeling.

Reopening schools in a safe manner this fall is important for the healthy development of children, the authors say. “By doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed, or failing that, until we reach herd immunity,” the paper concludes.

https://www.uvm.edu/uvmnews/news/kids-rarely-transmit-covid-19-say-uvm-docs-top-journal

[Winehole23]

Show me a conclusive study that says kids are vectors for transmission.

The absence of conclusive research in the first months of a pandemic involving a novel pathogen is an awfully thin reed to support the prudence and safety of reopening in person schools next month.

Are you asking us to believe that children who've already caught COVID weren't ever infectious?

[Blake]

Show me any study that says kids are vectors for transmission.

It's not a yes or no. It's a we don't fully know.

What we do know is that you're an idiot

[Blake]

Show me any study that says kids are vectors for transmission.

Oh here's a study that shows kids are vectors


Kids Rarely [but still do] Transmit Covid-19, Say UVM Docs in Top Journal

[TSA]

Oh here's a study that shows kids are vectors

:lol at that being your takeaway from that article

[ChumpDumper]

Oh here's a study that shows kids are vectorsAt our infection rates we could have 39 infected kids in the same classroom.

[TSA]

The absence of conclusive research in the first months of a pandemic involving a novel pathogen is an awfully thin reed to support the prudence and safety of reopening in person schools next month.

Are you asking us to believe that children who've already caught COVID weren't ever infectious?

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2020/07/08/peds.2020-004879

[hater]

Teachers don't matter

Apparently. Thats 3.5 million irrelevant citizens tbqh