Florida Department of Education orders all its schools to reopen campuses in August after coronavirus closures

[hater]

Kids Rarely Transmit Covid-19, Say UVM Docs in Top Journal

A commentary published in the journal Pediatrics, the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, concludes that children infrequently transmit Covid-19 to each other or to adults and that many schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.

The authors, Benjamin Lee, M.D. and William V. Raszka, Jr., M.D., are both pediatric infectious disease specialists on the faculty of the University of Vermont’s Larner College of Medicine. Dr. Raszka is an associate editor of Pediatrics.

The authors of the commentary, titled “COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame,” base their conclusions on a new study published in the current issue of Pediatrics, “COVID-19 in Children and the Dynamics of Infection in Families,” and four other recent studies that examine Covid-19 transmission by and among children.

In the new Pediatrics study, Klara M. Posfay-Barbe, M.D., a faculty member at University of Geneva’s medical school, and her colleagues studied the households of 39 Swiss children infected with Covid-19. Contract tracing revealed that in only three (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult household contacts.

In a recent study in China, researchers’ contact tracing demonstrated that of the 68 children with Covid-19 admitted to Qingdao Women's and Children's Hospital from January 20 to February 27, 2020, 96% were household contacts of previously infected adults. In another study of Chinese children, nine of 10 children admitted to several provincial hospitals outside Wuhan contracted Covid-19 from an adult, with only one possible child-to-child transmission, based on the timing of disease onset.

In a French study, a boy with Covid-19 exposed over 80 classmates at three schools to the disease. None contracted it. Transmission of other respiratory diseases, including influenza transmission, was common at the schools.

In a study in New South Wales, nine infected students and nine staff across 15 schools exposed a total of 735 students and 128 staff to Covid-19. Only two secondary infections resulted, one transmitted by an adult to a child.

“The data are striking,” said Dr. Raszka. “The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of accumulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren’t following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve.”

Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.

“There is widespread transmission of Covid-19 in Texas today, with many adults congregating without observing social distancing or wearing masks,” he said. “While we don’t yet know the dynamics of the outbreak, it is unlikely that infants and young children in daycare are driving the surge. Based on the evidence, it’s more plausible that adults are passing the infection to the children in the vast majority of cases.”

Additional support for the notion that children are not significant vectors of the disease comes from mathematical modeling, the authors say. Models show that community-wide social distancing and widespread adoption of facial cloth coverings are far better strategies for curtailing disease spread, and that closing schools adds little. The fact that schools have reopened in many Western European countries and in Japan without seeing a rise in community transmissions bears out the accuracy of the modeling.

Reopening schools in a safe manner this fall is important for the healthy development of children, the authors say. “By doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed, or failing that, until we reach herd immunity,” the paper concludes.

https://www.uvm.edu/uvmnews/news/kids-rarely-transmit-covid-19-say-uvm-docs-top-journal

Now do teachers

[TSA]

Now do teachers

They did.

[tholdren]

Now do teachers

U can't read?

[hater]

They did.

Teachers infecting teachers.

Remove kids from the equation as obviously they are virusless bags of meat.

Now do teachers.

[Blake]

:lol at that being your takeaway from that article

It's what you asked for. Now here's where you'll move the goalpost

[Blake]

They did.

They haven't gotten around to studying the recent daycare outbreaks here tho

[TSA]

It's what you asked for. Now here's where you'll move the goalpost

My position has never changed. Kids pose almost zero risk in passing on the virus to other kids or teachers. Kids face more danger in both mental and physical health from being held out of schools compared to the dangers of the virus. I’ve supported my position with articles and studies from around the world from pediatricians and child psychologists. You’ve yet to make your case.

[ChumpDumper]

If all Texas classrooms will look like this, I am all for reopening every school.
https://www.thelocal.de/userdata/images/1587568938_kiel.jpg

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anecdote from FB

Stacia Kelly (https://www.facebook.com/stacia.hehenberger?__tn__=%2CdCH-R-R&eid=ARA0Wo4AhnXT3Sd4gGZURGNVF2mmx8hqbjkO9eQV3hCRtv TtvBNlrXgaL4UDjctTlXtseWIvNb9k4XFb&hc_ref=ARTjxkNR5JGVcJkRpp-uUo5p1_yPMqYCch4ES93THBdHk1TlVW-AxNeYyU-wXGmoTWE&fref=nf)

July 10 at 9:27 PM (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10111220804599481&set=a.767346000351&type=3)

In March, our entire family became sick with COVID-like symptoms. Our oldest son started with fever, sore throat, nausea, headache and mild cough. Within 48 hours, all 5 of us were sick.

Our 8 year old was last to start with symptoms and his case was the most mild of all of ours. If it hadn’t been for the entire family being sick and the threat of COVID, I wouldn’t have even called the pediatrician.

We waited until day 7 to have him tested. He was the only one of us still sick. He tested negative for both flu and COVID. We figured it was just a case of bad luck and a nasty virus and waited for it to pass.

On day 14, I urged our 8 year old to come for a walk with me. He’d been in bed for two weeks and I thought he’d feel better if he got up and started moving a little. We got 3 blocks into our walk and my soccer playing, American ninja loving, constantly moving boy asked to go home because he was tired. He wasn’t even sure if he could make it the 3 blocks back to the house. He had to sit on the curb. When we did get home, I called the pediatrician again.

Today is July 10th and it marks day 108 for our boy.

He runs a fever every day.

We have blackout curtains and extra blankets hung on his windows because sometimes his head hurts so bad that any splinter of light feels like a knife.

He has lost 10 pounds and now takes medication to keep his appetite up and drinks Orgain for calories.

He has muscle pain and aches.

He feels like he will pass out if we try a bike ride or walk on a trail near our house.

He climbs in the pool with his brothers for a few minutes

but then gets chills and crawls back under the blankets in his room until he’s warm again.

He gets nauseous being in the car for any duration.

He’s exhausted.

All of the time. But he has trouble sleeping because he feels so awful.

He’s 8 and doesn’t have enough energy to play outside, ride his bike, read a book or stand up for too long.

He’s been through an onslaught of tests, lab work and procedures to rule out pretty much anything that could possibly cause these symptoms for this long. Every single test has come back normal.

His chest xray gave the only clue- peribronchial thickening indicative of COVID.

He barely had a cough.

I write this because I’m sick of hearing people complain about wearing a mask or rattle off a talking point about children not being effected by COVID.

It’s true that children are not dying at a high rate. What’s not true is that children have not died.

And what is also categorically false is that children are not effected.

I’m seeing it with my own eyes.

We don’t know if our son’s illness will last another week or if this is now a chronic condition. No one can tell us. No one has the answers.

The truth is, we don’t know what this disease does yet. We have only just begun to understand how COVID-19 acts in the early phases.

We are clueless as to what this virus does to our bodies, and our children’s bodies in the long run.

So, please.

Stay home if you’re able.

Don’t go to Disney when it opens.

Don’t throw birthday parties and invite all the friends.

Don’t follow the advice of politicians.

Wear a freaking mask.

These are not hard things.

You can do it. I believe in you.

There’s an 8 year old in Florida that has been in bed for 108 days and he believes in you too.

EDITED TO ADD:

1. For those asking what they can do, all we ask is that you follow CDC recommendations and take precautions to slow community spread.

2. For those inquiring about other diagnoses, we have been through complete work ups for 100s of other potential causes and are very confident in our team of doctors and health care providers.

3. For those confused about a negative COVID test result but evidence of the virus on radiological findings, I'd encourage you to do some digging on your own.

False negatives are not all that uncommon and the pediatric population has not been widely tested in the US.

He was tested once in March, 7 days after his fever began and when the test was negative, COVID was tabled and the specialists moved on to ruling out other causes- as was appropriate.

Once all of those potential causes were ruled out through EXTENSIVE testing (cancer, mono, bartonella, fever syndromes, autoimmune disorders, other infections, PANS, Lyme etc), we've come back to the original thought and luckily

more and more data is coming out regarding this type of pediatric inflammatory response post COVID.

Our family thanks you all for the support and well wishes. We are reading them all.

[Winehole23]

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2020/07/08/peds.2020-004879do you have an own take here?

[hater]

If all Texas classrooms will look like this, I am all for reopening every school.
https://www.thelocal.de/userdata/images/1587568938_kiel.jpg

Dont forget the buses. I believe they will only allow 8 students per bus

Im also all for that

[Blake]

Dont forget the buses. I believe they will only allow 8 students per bus

Im also all for that

Damn that'll take forever to get kids to class

[Blake]

My position has never changed. Kids pose almost zero risk in passing on the virus to other kids or teachers. Kids face more danger in both mental and physical health from being held out of schools compared to the dangers of the virus. I’ve supported my position with articles and studies from around the world from pediatricians and child psychologists. You’ve yet to make your case.

Oh hey a goalpost move, mixed with strawmen and confirmation bias. No way!

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HHS taking over pandemic data is obviously a bat faith move

Trash and HHS lickspittles will LIE about the national stats to justify threatening the schools' Federal funding for not following the political, not public health, DICTATES from Trash.

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so the dilemma is:

little or no school which will kill, supposedly, some kids (evidence free, afaics)

vs

more or less in-person school, which will kill or damage some kids, and probably some teachers and staff

pick your poison of how many will die

[baseline bum]

They haven't gotten around to studying the recent daycare outbreaks here tho

Also amazing how schools are safe while we have outbreaks at summer camps.

[ElNono]

Apparently. Thats 3.5 million irrelevant citizens tbqh

Irrelevant citizens who are vectors to spread the virus further too...

[ElNono]

https://snipboard.io/k0Wl5C.jpg

[RandomGuy]

https://snipboard.io/k0Wl5C.jpg

Eyup. 14,000 dead children, and how many teachers exactly?

[RandomGuy]

Kids don't carry enough of a viral load to be vectors, and the study you linked doesn't say that kids are vectors for transmission, which is the point being debated.

"Low carriers, low transmitters": study confirms the minimal role of children in the Covid-19 epidemic
https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/peu-porteurs-peu-transmetteurs-une-etude-confirme-le-role-minime-des-enfants-dans-l-epidemie-de-covid-19_AV-202005120233.html

Roger Highfield, Science Director, talks to Kari Stefansson, whose genetic sequencing project has revealed how the UK infected Iceland, that children don’t seem to infect parents, and how to control COVID-19.
https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/blog/hunting-down-covid-19/

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech/medecine/11255942-en-suisse-104-enfants-de-moins-de-10-ans-ont-ete-testes-positifs-au-covid-19.html

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

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In a population-based study in Iceland, children under 10 years of age and females had a lower incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection than adolescents or adults and males. The proportion of infected persons identified through population screening did not change substantially during the screening period, which was consistent with a beneficial effect of containment efforts. (Funded by deCODE Genetics–Amgen.)

Adolescent children still children, and they go to school as well. I can tell you from my wifes direct accounts they do not bother with masks, or distancing rules, even when explicitly directed to do so. 13-18 comprise what? 6/13ths of the school age population. 46%

So basically, all of your links speak to the risk presented by 54% of the school age population.


In analyses involving participants up to 20 years of age, we observed a gradual increase with older age in the percentage who tested positive (Fig. S5). In the population-screening group, the difference was even more marked: none of the 848 children under the age of 10 years tested positive, as compared with 100 of 12,232 persons (0.8%; 95% CI, 0.7 to 1.0) 10 years of age or older.


The oldest group of seniors, comprise, 1/13th of 57,000,000. 7%

A poplulation of 4.3M

Assuming they die at one tenth the known fatality rate for the disease, that is 2,192 dead teenagers, if all of them get exposed and/or sick.

Assume one teacher/administrator/janitor/etc for every 18 students in those schools.

3,100,000 people, with age distributions roughly the same as the overall population.

If they all get the disease that will kill roughly 15,500 teachers.

If you want to argue "not everyone will get it", then I would say a typical flu season sees roughly 40-60% of the population getting the disease, with vaccines, and this disease appears to be much more transmittable than the flu. 60% of 15,000 is still roughly 10,000 teachers.

Sending all kids back to school with this thing will kill tens of thousand of teachers and students.

How many dead teachers, children, and adolescents, are you willing to sacrifice for your Dear Leader?

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[baseline bum]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-1442649357909503015&th=17352f8ecf12dfeb&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ_kK0eJ1mssZj6bESswB9Tm9NBkzDTwRmd7G3i fBxEfsoZ2nFvDwycBtqlPKYE3V_XroBSYaOS5F8vYXHsDjpmSf tK2rqq2O9ekBD2-DQfVVG7B2s8ggLKU868&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kcnhkesi0

You can't embed shit from your email. If it's a picture, you have to host it somewhere. Eg upload it to a place like imgbb.com

[RandomGuy]

My position has never changed. Kids pose almost zero risk in passing on the virus to other kids or teachers. Kids face more danger in both mental and physical health from being held out of schools compared to the dangers of the virus. I’ve supported my position with articles and studies from around the world from pediatricians and child psychologists. You’ve yet to make your case.

The links you have presented do not make your case, as all of the research on "children" hews to the medical definition of "under 10 years", leaving out the risks posed by tends of millions of other students, and millions of teachers, administrators, and service personnel.

Frankly, I am not going to be that cavalier with my wife, who teaches high school, or my two kids in high school.

You want them to take all the risks you yourself probably don't, and you can fuck right off. I will not sacrifice any of them for the sake of your evil ideology. My wife and I are having some very pointed discussions about either not sending my kids to school, or my wife simply refusing to go to work. I am sure those discussions are being mirrored in millions of households.

Bypass this discussion:

How will you pay for teachers to take time off for COVID quarantine WHEN they get exposed in the millions?

Are you going to ask them to take unpaid leave? Man up and answer, or, you know, bullshit waffle some more for your Dear Leader.

[RandomGuy]

[image link to something from GMAIL]

You may want to delete that bit. Probably can't be used to figure out your gmail, but definitely something you don't want tested in a publicly searchable forum. I doubt any dataminer is going to glom on to ST, but still.

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[tholdren]

Adolescent children still children, and they go to school as well. I can tell you from my wifes direct accounts they do not bother with masks, or distancing rules, even when explicitly directed to do so. 13-18 comprise what? 6/13ths of the school age population. 46%

So basically, all of your links speak to the risk presented by 54% of the school age population.



The oldest group of seniors, comprise, 1/13th of 57,000,000. 7%

A poplulation of 4.3M

Assuming they die at one tenth the known fatality rate for the disease, that is 2,192 dead teenagers, if all of them get exposed and/or sick.

Assume one teacher/administrator/janitor/etc for every 18 students in those schools.

3,100,000 people, with age distributions roughly the same as the overall population.

If they all get the disease that will kill roughly 15,500 teachers.

If you want to argue "not everyone will get it", then I would say a typical flu season sees roughly 40-60% of the population getting the disease, with vaccines, and this disease appears to be much more transmittable than the flu. 60% of 15,000 is still roughly 10,000 teachers.

Sending all kids back to school with this thing will kill tens of thousand of teachers and students.

How many dead teachers, children, and adolescents, are you willing to sacrifice for your Dear Leader?
Lol your math

[TSA]

The links you have presented do not make your case, as all of the research on "children" hews to the medical definition of "under 10 years", leaving out the risks posed by tends of millions of other students, and millions of teachers, administrators, and service personnel.

Frankly, I am not going to be that cavalier with my wife, who teaches high school, or my two kids in high school.

You want them to take all the risks you yourself probably don't, and you can fuck right off. I will not sacrifice any of them for the sake of your evil ideology. My wife and I are having some very pointed discussions about either not sending my kids to school, or my wife simply refusing to go to work. I am sure those discussions are being mirrored in millions of households.

Bypass this discussion:

How will you pay for teachers to take time off for COVID quarantine WHEN they get exposed in the millions?

Are you going to ask them to take unpaid leave? Man up and answer, or, you know, bullshit waffle some more for your Dear Leader.

Recognizing the severe harm caused to kids when they are not able to attend school and advocating for them is now an "evil ideology" :lmao You are so far off the deep end, seek help. And tell your wife to find a new line of work. We don't need terrified teachers who don't understand science teaching our kids anyways.

[midnightpulp]

Recognizing the severe harm caused to kids when they are not able to attend school and advocating for them is now an "evil ideology" :lmao You are so far off the deep end, seek help. And tell your wife to find a new line of work. We don't need terrified teachers who don't understand science teaching our kids anyways.

To be fair, are there any studies that have documented the long term effects of missing, say, a year in brick-and-mortar schooling? Or are these studies just speculating? For example, the whole theory that a depression would lead to a unprecedented spikes in suicides, alcohol abuse, etc, when the fact was life expectancy actually rose during the Great Depression and the suicide rate has continued to climb following the recession, even as we were living in the so-called greatest economy the world has ever known.


Life expectancy rose from 57.1 in 1929 to 63.3 years in 1932, according to the analysis by U-M researchers José A.Sep 29, 2009

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090928172530.htm#:~:text=Life%20expectancy%20rose% 20from%2057.1,by%20U%2DM%20researchers%20Jos%C3%A9 %20A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Total_suicides_in_the_United_States_1981_2016 .png

Even better graph. Scroll down and see how the trajectory remained basically linear, with no spikes during/following the Recession.

https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/holiday-suicide-myth-finally-debunked-most-news-stories/

Drug overdoses didn't spike during the Recession:

https://www.drugabuse.gov/sites/default/files/odr2018-graph1.jpg

Higher than they ever been in the supposed "greatest economy the world has ever known."

That said, I think opening schools needs to be approached regionally. In areas that have controlled their outbreaks, sure. Not sure I would open up in the hot spots until under control. And I think there's need to be a study on if Covid causes any lingering health effects to recover children and teens.

[Blake]

Recognizing the severe harm caused to kids when they are not able to attend school and advocating for them is now an "evil ideology" :lmao You are so far off the deep end, seek help. And tell your wife to find a new line of work. We don't need terrified teachers who don't understand science teaching our kids anyways.

Homeschooling harmful now

[hater]

Recognizing the severe harm caused to kids when they are not able to attend school and advocating for them is now an "evil ideology" :lmao You are so far off the deep end, seek help. And tell your wife to find a new line of work. We don't need terrified teachers who don't understand science teaching our kids anyways.

Yes think of the children

If schools dont open up we will start seeing dead children piling up on the streets, parks and parking lots around the country

[baseline bum]

Yes think of the children

If schools dont open up we will start seeing dead children piling up on the streets, parks and parking lots around the country

But they're magically protected from outbreaks in schools, unlike say summer camps and day cares where we have had flare ups.

[tholdren]

But they're magically protected from outbreaks in schools, unlike say summer camps and day cares where we have had flare ups.

there haven't been flare ups. Stop the gossip.

[leemajors]

AISD (Austin) is going virtual learning only for at least the first three weeks of school.

[ChumpDumper]

there haven't been flare ups. Stop the gossip.th:lolldren trying to defy plain reality.

[RandomGuy]

Recognizing the severe harm caused to kids when they are not able to attend school and advocating for them is now an "evil ideology" :lmao You are so far off the deep end, seek help. And tell your wife to find a new line of work. We don't need terrified teachers who don't understand science teaching our kids anyways.

which is more harmful, tens of thousands of deaths or missing in person school for a semester?

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Israel tried to open schools, got huge outbreak, had to shut down

Like USA, Israel is worse off now that it was at its very successful end of May, more successful than USA has ever been

[baseline bum]

there haven't been flare ups. Stop the gossip.

LOL fake news Dr Tholdren Ph. D

[ChumpDumper]

Here's the sure-fire formula for success:
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[tholdren]

Here's the sure-fire formula for success:
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And that bothers you. Sad you hate science

[tholdren]

LOL fake news Dr Tholdren Ph. D

Thats redundant. The way you are using dr. And PhD.

But I will take that as a compliment and a white flag. Let you proceed

[ChumpDumper]

And that bothers you. Sad you hate scienceth:loldren unable to recognize sarcasm. Sad.

[baseline bum]

Thats redundant. The way you are using dr. And PhD.

But I will take that as a compliment and a white flag. Let you proceed

The Dr because you're a medical doctor and the Ph.D for your math degree, right?

[tholdren]

The Dr because you're a medical doctor and the Ph.D for your math degree, right?

no. More gossip from you

[ChumpDumper]

no. More gossip from youth:lolldren admits he's not educated. Sad.

[tholdren]

th:lolldren admits he's not educated. Sad.
InstaPWNED

[Blake]

Here's the sure-fire formula for success:
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nothing could go wrong there

[Blake]

InstaPWNED

Uh yeah you instantly pwned yourself. Bravo

[tholdren]

nothing could go wrong there

what do you think specifically will go wrong?

[baseline bum]

no. More gossip from you

But you're a medical and mathematical expert, Dr Tholdren Ph.D

[Blake]

what do you think specifically will go wrong?

You don't even think Florida and Texas are going wrong so sorry, you don't get to be in on the discussion. You'll just have to settle for your F5 lololol ankle biting bit.

[boutons_deux]

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/pediatric_report_latest.pdf

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Donald Trump, Betsy DeVos and the GOP have no clue about the tsunami that is going to hit them (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/15/1960514/-Donald-Trump-Betsy-DeVos-and-the-GOP-have-no-clue-about-the-tsunami-that-is-going-to-hit-them)

"And after all those plans are made, and those districts that opted for in-person learning have opened their doors for two weeks,

one child is going to come to school sick.

Maybe whoever he/she goes home to will fall ill.

Someone, either a child, a teacher or family member, at some point, will get very sick, and

someone may even be hospitalized and die.

That news will fly across social media at speeds we can scarcely contemplate.

In a matter of hours parents will be screaming at school administrators, at teachers, even at each other, pointing fingers and

asking why this particular child was permitted in the school at all.

Entire classes will be quarantined and the schools shut down and deep-cleaned.

People who had returned to work, counting on their kids being in class during the day, will have to come home to take care of their children.

In this Hobbesian work environment Americans are facing,

many of them will be fired or let go by employers because of this.

Two weeks later, the school reopens, and the same thing happens again.

Not only in public schools, but at those nice colleges as well.

And then, suddenly it’s October, and despite all the best laid plans, things are shutting down again.

Only a few schools, mostly in outlying, rural areas, remain open with physical in-presence instruction.

American parents are helpless and they are infuriated. Infuriated beyond measure.

Their kids are home, and although the teachers are making truly heroic efforts, it’s the same substandard instruction.

Some parents are infuriated that the schools had to close again,

some are infuriated that they were ever opened in the first place.

But everyone is angry, angrier than they have ever been in their lives about anything."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/15/1960514/-Donald-Trump-Betsy-DeVos-and-the-GOP-have-no-clue-about-the-tsunami-that-is-going-to-hit-them?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/15/1960514/-Donald-Trump-Betsy-DeVos-and-the-GOP-have-no-clue-about-the-tsunami-that-is-going-to-hit-them?detail=emaildkre)

[baseline bum]

Donald Trump, Betsy DeVos and the GOP have no clue about the tsunami that is going to hit them (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/15/1960514/-Donald-Trump-Betsy-DeVos-and-the-GOP-have-no-clue-about-the-tsunami-that-is-going-to-hit-them)

"And after all those plans are made, and those districts that opted for in-person learning have opened their doors for two weeks,

one child is going to come to school sick.

Maybe whoever he/she goes home to will fall ill.

Someone, either a child, a teacher or family member, at some point, will get very sick, and

someone may even be hospitalized and die.

That news will fly across social media at speeds we can scarcely contemplate.

In a matter of hours parents will be screaming at school administrators, at teachers, even at each other, pointing fingers and

asking why this particular child was permitted in the school at all.

Entire classes will be quarantined and the schools shut down and deep-cleaned.

People who had returned to work, counting on their kids being in class during the day, will have to come home to take care of their children.

In this Hobbesian work environment Americans are facing,

many of them will be fired or let go by employers because of this.

Two weeks later, the school reopens, and the same thing happens again.

Not only in public schools, but at those nice colleges as well.

And then, suddenly it’s October, and despite all the best laid plans, things are shutting down again.

Only a few schools, mostly in outlying, rural areas, remain open with physical in-presence instruction.

American parents are helpless and they are infuriated. Infuriated beyond measure.

Their kids are home, and although the teachers are making truly heroic efforts, it’s the same substandard instruction.

Some parents are infuriated that the schools had to close again,

some are infuriated that they were ever opened in the first place.

But everyone is angry, angrier than they have ever been in their lives about anything."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/15/1960514/-Donald-Trump-Betsy-DeVos-and-the-GOP-have-no-clue-about-the-tsunami-that-is-going-to-hit-them?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/15/1960514/-Donald-Trump-Betsy-DeVos-and-the-GOP-have-no-clue-about-the-tsunami-that-is-going-to-hit-them?detail=emaildkre)

You think Betsy Devos gives two fucks? She is rich because of a https://i.ibb.co/x7wPFZd/triange.png scheme that preys on the poor to kick money upstairs like the mafia.

[Blake]

How many kids need to be on a ventilator before they say oops

[tholdren]

How many kids need to be on a ventilator before they say oops

how many kids on vetilators at the beginning of this year or from spring break or from covid parties or ....... use stats not gossip.

[TSA]

How many kids need to be on a ventilator before they say oops

http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/influenza/_documents/2020-w27-28-flu-review.pdf

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/pediatric_report_latest.pdf

[Blake]

how many kids on vetilators at the beginning of this year or from spring break or from covid parties or ....... use stats not gossip.


http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/influenza/_documents/2020-w27-28-flu-review.pdf

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/pediatric_report_latest.pdf

Nope, those aren't answers.

[tholdren]

ChumpDumper

[Blake]

I like gossip

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/seandparnell/status/1283813706225385475

:lol

[tholdren]

https://mobile.twitter.com/seandparnell/status/1283813706225385475

:lol
Its science

[Blake]

https://mobile.twitter.com/seandparnell/status/1283813706225385475

:lol

They are opening schools in the fall

https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/505-20/mayor-de-blasio-chancellor-carranza-preliminary-school-reopening-plans-fall-2020#/0

You guys are morons

[tholdren]

They are opening schools in the fall

https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/505-20/mayor-de-blasio-chancellor-carranza-preliminary-school-reopening-plans-fall-2020#/0

You guys are morons

only half time. Can you gossip less?

New York’s public schools plan to offer a mix of in-person classes and remote learning when a new school year starts — with students going to school one to three days a week, in order to cut the number of people in buildings and prevent the spread of the coronavirus

[tholdren]

They are opening schools in the fall

https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/505-20/mayor-de-blasio-chancellor-carranza-preliminary-school-reopening-plans-fall-2020#/0

You guys are morons

Lolololol gossiped name called. And was wrong per usual.

LololIokik typical chumpdump crew

[midnightpulp]

only half time. Can you gossip less?

New York’s public schools plan to offer a mix of in-person classes and remote learning when a new school year starts — with students going to school one to three days a week, in order to cut the number of people in buildings and prevent the spread of the coronavirus

Sounds like a solid plan :tu

And mask wearing at all times needs to be enforced. Bars and churches need to remain CLOSED.

[tholdren]

Sounds like a solid plan :tu

And mask wearing at all times needs to be enforced. Bars and churches need to remain CLOSED.

Bwaahahahahahhahaha

Solid plan



Bwahahhahahahahaah

[RandomGuy]

I’m an epidemiologist and a dad. Here’s why I think schools should reopen.

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/9/21318560/covid-19-coronavirus-us-testing-children-schools-reopening-questions


Staff risk in schools likely looks similar to the risk of any adult working in a crowded indoor environment during the pandemic. School opening plans must consider teacher safety in addition to the well-being of students.

What is Trumps plan for that?

Lay some ol' Devos widsom on me, bootlick. Other than lining her pockets by loosing rules on student loans, she doesn't seem to have one.

[boutons_deux]

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/1_296.jpg?itok=5roh2QDA

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/2.gif?itok=oUUY4mJ0

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https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/5_200.jpg?itok=zWP7qOIw

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/7_160.jpg?itok=0UU_toSW

[RandomGuy]

How many kids need to be on a ventilator before they say oops


http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/influenza/_documents/2020-w27-28-flu-review.pdf

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/pediatric_report_latest.pdf

Not really an answer.

Rare things still happen. One in a hundred thousand will still mean thousands of kids will need ventilators, if all 30M of them get sick, and many many more times that will have all sorts of nasty organ damage, up to and including neurological problems that will haunt them, possibily for hte rest of their lives.

Economically, that is a huge amount of damage, because you are talking about degradation over a 60 to 70 year span.

Until there is a vaccine there is a pretty huge price to pay.

[Blake]

Lolololol gossiped name called. And was wrong per usual.

LololIokik typical chumpdump crew

Whines about gossip and name calling then proceeds to gossip and name call.

[Reck]

LOL Trump is ok with sending your kid to school but when it comes to his golden son, he has to think about it like----real hard.

:lmao trumpers

[tholdren]

Not really an answer.

Rare things still happen. One in a hundred thousand will still mean thousands of kids will need ventilators, if all 30M of them get sick, and many many more times that will have all sorts of nasty organ damage, up to and including neurological problems that will haunt them, possibily for hte rest of their lives.

Economically, that is a huge amount of damage, because you are talking about degradation over a 60 to 70 year span.

Until there is a vaccine there is a pretty huge price to pay.

yes even sweden who kept kids at school and did nothing full scale lockdown had less than flu rate deaths or any of this craziness you are describing

[TSA]

Not really an answer.

Rare things still happen. One in a hundred thousand will still mean thousands of kids will need ventilators, if all 30M of them get sick, and many many more times that will have all sorts of nasty organ damage, up to and including neurological problems that will haunt them, possibily for hte rest of their lives.

Economically, that is a huge amount of damage, because you are talking about degradation over a 60 to 70 year span.

Until there is a vaccine there is a pretty huge price to pay.

“if all 30 million of them get sick” :rollin

[boutons_deux]

Florida teen met friends against family’s wishes.

Now dad has COVID-19, fighting for his life

https://globalnews.ca/news/7188224/florida-dad-coronavirus-teen/

To Trash, his mafiya, and spineless Repugs, who don't give a fuck about you, what's a few 1000 debilitated or dead parents?

[baseline bum]

Florida teen met friends against family’s wishes.

Now dad has COVID-19, fighting for his life

https://globalnews.ca/news/7188224/florida-dad-coronavirus-teen/

To Trash, his mafiya, and spineless Repugs, who don't give a fuck about you, what's a few 1000 debilitated or dead parents?





Stupid virus doesn't know it's not supposed to transmit from young people.

[tholdren]

They are opening schools in the fall

https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/505-20/mayor-de-blasio-chancellor-carranza-preliminary-school-reopening-plans-fall-2020#/0

You guys are morons

here's blake insisting schools are opening fully in the fall. Just like he said he didn't. And the name calling for emphasis. He was wrong btw

[boutons_deux]

https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/F-VQwG5qSz6O3riuZOfY2M7hEmANTOFePdhPPr-aFZIkKYF0EoOE19yGryWO3s9KJuE_WN8gO02uiNjfGfOKocOE6 JEEBvkYeTqp0cjxBTTWaTZ2i7UYFd_ArYT5MqQ0C-GE=s0-d-e1-ft#https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5f11b9123fc8fd949d385b55/1:1/w_800/A24461.jpg

[Blake]

here's blake insisting schools are opening fully in the fall. Just like he said he didn't. And the name calling for emphasis. He was wrong btw

Nowhere in my quote did I say they are "opening fully".

Why are you blatantly lying? Is it desperation?

"New York City public schools are planning a part-time return to classrooms this fall with in-person instruction two or three days a week, officials said Wednesday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-city-public-schools-will-reopen-part-time-basis-n1233162


You're a retarded piece of lying shit. To be honest. :tu

[boutons_deux]

"New York City public schools are planning a part-time return to classrooms this fall with in-person instruction two or three days a week, officials said Wednesday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-city-public-schools-will-reopen-part-time-basis-n1233162


New York City enters final reopening phase as California, Florida, and Texas cases surge (https://theweek.com/speedreads/926332/new-york-city-enters-final-reopening-phase-california-florida-texas-cases-surge)


https://theweek.com/speedreads/926332/new-york-city-enters-final-reopening-phase-california-florida-texas-cases-surge

[tholdren]

Nowhere in my quote did I say they are "opening fully".

Why are you blatantly lying? Is it desperation?

"New York City public schools are planning a part-time return to classrooms this fall with in-person instruction two or three days a week, officials said Wednesday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-city-public-schools-will-reopen-part-time-basis-n1233162


You're a retarded piece of lying shit. To be honest. :tu

This is another blake lie. He said schools were opening fully

[boutons_deux]

How a Christian Summer Camp Ended Up With 82 Cases of COVID

Camp sessions opened on May 30 with an impressive roster (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-summer-camp-took-extraordinary-covid-19-precautions-it-still-failed/2020/07/14/998e172e-c22a-11ea-b178-bb7b05b94af1_story.html) of new safety measures in place, including

new low-contact drop-off procedures,
new air filtration systems,
daily temperature checks,
quarantine protocols, and more.

But on June 26, the camp notified parents by email that there were two positive COVID-19 cases at K-2, one of its six camp locations.

Over the next few days, the number of diagnoses climbed to 82.

K-2 shut down, and

parents from 10 states scrambled to pick up their children early (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kanakuk-kamps-battle-covid-cluster-n1233186).

The CDC’s COVID guidelines for summer camps (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/summer-camps.html), issued in May, lists

campers coming from outside the local geographic area as a “highest risk” factor.

Some parents say the camp has been incommunicative with them as the outbreak spread.

“There was 0 communication or efforts made from Kanakuk to contact us regarding the closure. Nothing!”

campers were assembled in a single large group to receive the news about the diagnoses, furthering their exposure.

She said kids gathered again that same night for a “mosh-pit-style” dance party, where not everyone wore their masks

Kanakuk is one of the largest sleep-away camps in the country, serving 20,000 children in a typical summer. Its unofficial motto is “I Am Third”:

God is first,

others come second, and

the self comes last. :lol How cute-sy!

The camp is now a well-known brand among evangelical Christians, particularly in the South.

To me, once they have 82 cases in K-2, you’re just asking for the same thing happening in the other campuses,” he said.

“Why don’t we just be safe and stop everything?”

Instead, the camp’s other locations will apparently remain open for the rest of the summer.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/07/christian-summer-camp-kanakuk-82-cases-covid-19.html

God comes first? GMAFB Kanakuk's $$$ comes first

fucking Christian summer indoctrination madrasas as super-spreader events.

How many will be debilitated or die?

Thought and prayers don't work? what a surprise

[tholdren]

They are opening schools in the fall

https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/505-20/mayor-de-blasio-chancellor-carranza-preliminary-school-reopening-plans-fall-2020#/0

You guys are morons

Here's blake saying schools opening up fully so he could call names because he didn't understand context behind the plan to make 2 schools for kids in ny..... lots of blake gossip lies and name-calling and wrong . Lots of wrong

[ChumpDumper]

Here's blake saying schools opening up fullyWrong.

We can just stop as soon as you lie.

Didn't take long.

[Blake]

Here's blake saying schools opening up fully so he could call names because he didn't understand context behind the plan to make 2 schools for kids in ny..... lots of blake gossip lies and name-calling and wrong . Lots of wrong

Who are you trying to convince? You're a really weird dude

[tholdren]

Who are you trying to convince? You're a really weird dude

Fully open schools in NY..... wrong

[ChumpDumper]

Fullyth:lolldren lies

[Blake]

th:lolldren lies

Fully

[Blake]

First I've finally heard from a school talking about worst case scenarios. Too bad it's not politicians talking about it too.

"Texas universities planning for students returning to class this fall in the midst of a global pandemic are already preparing for the possibility that they could have to abruptly shut down campus again if conditions worsen.

Earlier this month, the University of Texas at Austin laid out a list of scenarios that could trigger a midsemester closure. Prominent on the list: a student's death...."

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/17/ut-austin-reopening-closure-fall-death/


Still rather peculiar and distasteful they don't mention staff.

[boutons_deux]

'Alarming':

Trump Blocks CDC Officials From Testifying to Education Panel on School Reopenings

"It's imperative that we listen to the experts... the president is barring them from the room."

the Trump administration is

blocking Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials

—including agency director Dr. Robert Redfield—

from testifying at a congressional hearing next week on school reopenings

as the White House continues its efforts to force the resumption of in-person classes (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/16/trump-and-gop-weighing-plan-punish-schools-dont-reopen-withholding-covid-19-funds) in the fall.

"This lack of transparency does a great disservice to the many communities across the country facing difficult decisions about reopening schools this fall."

"The administration's strategy of prioritizing politics over science has had a devastating impact on our country throughout this pandemic,"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/18/alarming-trump-blocks-cdc-officials-testifying-education-panel-school-reopenings?cd-origin=rss (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/18/alarming-trump-blocks-cdc-officials-testifying-education-panel-school-reopenings?cd-origin=rss)

[boutons_deux]

Fox News guest says teachers union conspiring to close schools so they can ‘sexualize our children’

https://images.dailykos.com/images/832370/story_image/ScreenShot2020-07-16at9.51.01AM.png?1594918294

Fox News’ push right now is to have schools reopen, children go to school, teachers return to classrooms, and the world to pretend that the COVID-19 pandemic is just a bad case of the flu.

Ingraham ... explained that

“leftist teachers unions” were punishing children in service of some commie political agenda.

Ingraham connected the dots to

Black Lives Matter,
defunding the police,
Medicare for All,
stimulus checks for undocumented immigrants,
a tax on the rich, and
a ban on charter schools.

former Los Angeles Unified school teacher Rebecca Friedrichs ...

explained that the pushback by unions over reopening classrooms is a “smokescreen” for a far more wicked agenda:

The unions, and specifically teachers’ unions,

“are actually using our schools to sexualize our children and to train them in anti-American ideology.”

According to Friedrichs, this massive indoctrination plan is coordinated with “over 180 organizations” including

“the CDC, Planned Parenthood, and Black Lives Matter incorporated.”

Friedrichs explained that she has been “shouting about this for decades.”

the conspiracy is to force children to only learn online. Because learning online is how they do the sexualization-of-our-children thing.

REBECCA FRIEDRICHS: It is shocking what they're teaching our children online through virtual learning.

They are teaching our children to sext,

to view pornography.

They are hooking them up with online sex experts.

So what they are doing is grooming our children for sexual predators to use them.

This is child abuse.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/16/1961228/-Fox-News-guest-says-teachers-union-conspiring-to-close-schools-so-they-can-sexualize-our-children?detail=emaildksp

[tholdren]

First I've finally heard from a school talking about worst case scenarios. Too bad it's not politicians talking about it too.

"Texas universities planning for students returning to class this fall in the midst of a global pandemic are already preparing for the possibility that they could have to abruptly shut down campus again if conditions worsen.

Earlier this month, the University of Texas at Austin laid out a list of scenarios that could trigger a midsemester closure. Prominent on the list: a student's death...."

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/17/ut-austin-reopening-closure-fall-death/


Still rather peculiar and distasteful they don't mention staff.

its not a global pandemic anymore
Are you sure they are fully returning to school or you lying like you did w ny?

[baseline bum]

its not a global pandemic anymore

Fake news Dr Tholdren :lol

[TimDunkem]

wut lol

[tholdren]

Fake news Dr Tholdren :lol

its cdc definition not mine or yours

[tholdren]

Here's a start for the lazy...then go find the thresholds....

A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”.2 The classical definition includes nothing about population immunity, virology or disease severity. By this definition, pandemics can be said to occur annually in each of the temperate southern and northern hemispheres, given that seasonal epidemics cross international boundaries and affect a large number of people

It is tempting to surmise that the complicated pandemic definitions used by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of the United States of America involved severity1,10 in a deliberate attempt to garner political attention and financial support for pandemic preparedness. As noted by Doshi, the perceived need for this support can be understood given concerns about influenza A(H5N1) and the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). However, conflating spread and severity allowed the suggestion that 2009 A(H1N1) was not a pandemic. It was, in fact, a classical pandemic, only much less severe than many had anticipated or were prepared to acknowledge, even as the evidence accumulated

[Blake]

I'm a liar

[baseline bum]

Here's a start for the lazy...then go find the thresholds....

A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”.2 The classical definition includes nothing about population immunity, virology or disease severity. By this definition, pandemics can be said to occur annually in each of the temperate southern and northern hemispheres, given that seasonal epidemics cross international boundaries and affect a large number of people

It is tempting to surmise that the complicated pandemic definitions used by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of the United States of America involved severity1,10 in a deliberate attempt to garner political attention and financial support for pandemic preparedness. As noted by Doshi, the perceived need for this support can be understood given concerns about influenza A(H5N1) and the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). However, conflating spread and severity allowed the suggestion that 2009 A(H1N1) was not a pandemic. It was, in fact, a classical pandemic, only much less severe than many had anticipated or were prepared to acknowledge, even as the evidence accumulated

You go look for it dumbass, your claim

[tholdren]

You go look for it dumbass, your claim

I already have it. Thats why I know not in pandemic or epidemic thresholds. Great name calling



Now show your proof for your fake numbers

[Blake]

I already have it. Thats why I know not in pandemic or epidemic thresholds. Great name calling



Now show your proof for your fake numbers

Lol@ holderp asking for numbers, never provides his math

[baseline bum]

I already have it. Thats why I know not in pandemic or epidemic thresholds. Great name calling



Now show your proof for your fake numbers

OK Dr Foldren

[tholdren]

Lol@ holderp asking for numbers, never provides his math

lol so you can't calculate it

[tholdren]

where's randomguy with his concern over all the nordic countries school during covid?

[Blake]

lol so you can't calculate it

Lol so you can't show your math

[Blake]

where's randomguy with his concern over all the nordic countries school during covid?

Gossip

[boutons_deux]

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero.

And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.

The findings suggest that as schools reopen, communities will see clusters of infection take root that include children of all ages, several experts cautioned.

“I fear that there has been this sense that kids just won’t get infected or don’t get infected in the same way as adults and that, therefore, they’re almost like a bubbled population,”

Children under 10 were roughly half as likely as adults to spread the virus to others, consistent with other studies.

That may be because children generally exhale less air — and therefore less virus-laden air — or because they exhale that air closer to the ground, making it less likely that adults would breathe it in.

Children under 10 were roughly half as likely as adults to spread the virus to others, consistent with other studies

the large number of contacts for schoolchildren, who interact with dozens of others for a good part of the day, may cancel out their smaller risk of infecting others.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

[tholdren]

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds

The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero.

And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.

The findings suggest that as schools reopen, communities will see clusters of infection take root that include children of all ages, several experts cautioned.

“I fear that there has been this sense that kids just won’t get infected or don’t get infected in the same way as adults and that, therefore, they’re almost like a bubbled population,”

Children under 10 were roughly half as likely as adults to spread the virus to others, consistent with other studies.

That may be because children generally exhale less air — and therefore less virus-laden air — or because they exhale that air closer to the ground, making it less likely that adults would breathe it in.

Children under 10 were roughly half as likely as adults to spread the virus to others, consistent with other studies

the large number of contacts for schoolchildren, who interact with dozens of others for a good part of the day, may cancel out their smaller risk of infecting others.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html




False. Ask sweden

[Blake]

False. Ask sweden

Lol outdated. This is July

[midnightpulp]

Lol outdated. This is July

He's such a dumb bastard. Um, school children get virus, go home pass it to mom who works in nursing home, mom super spreads it to nursing home. Sweden's higher death toll reflects spread was more unmitigated.

[midnightpulp]

False. Ask sweden

Yeah, let's ask them.


However, a scan of Swedish newspapers makes clear that school outbreaks have occurred. In the town of Skellefteå, a teacher died and 18 of 76 staff tested positive at a school with about 500 students in preschool through ninth grade. The school closed for 2 weeks because so many staff were sick, but students were not tested for the virus. In Uppsala, staff protested when school officials, citing patient privacy rules, declined to notify families or staff that a teacher had tested positive. No contact tracing was done at the school. At least two staff members at other schools have died, but those schools remained open and no one attempted to trace the spread of the disease there. When asked about these cases, Ludvigsson said he was unaware of them. He did not respond to a query about whether he would amend the review article to include them.

Cut a school's staff by a 3rd just like that. I can never recall in a time going to school where a 3rd of the staff was out sick. Quit gossiping, dipshit.

[Blake]

Yeah, let's ask them.



Cut a school's staff by a 3rd just like that. I can never recall in a time going to school where a 3rd of the staff was out sick. Quit gossiping, dipshit.

THAT'S JUST GOSSIP YOU DIDN'T CALCULATE THE REAL MATH THAT I'M HOLDING HERE IN MY BUNKER THAT NOBODY ELSE CAN SEE

LOLOLOLOLO IFR

[tholdren]

Yeah, let's ask them.



Cut a school's staff by a 3rd just like that. I can never recall in a time going to school where a 3rd of the staff was out sick. Quit gossiping, dipshit.

And that is 2 deaths out of the population of Sweden. Wich again would make ifr lower than flu. Stop the gossip and the name-calling

[ChumpDumper]

ifrShow your math.

[midnightpulp]

And that is 2 deaths out of the population of Sweden. Wich again would make ifr lower than flu. Stop the gossip and the name-calling

The entire population of Sweden isn't teachers, you immense idiot.

[tholdren]

The entire population of Sweden isn't teachers, you immense idiot.

Lolololololol your argument.

[boutons_deux]

San Antonio Teacher Groups Balk at a Return to the Classroom in August

“Having us return to the classroom is a disaster waiting to happen,” Espiritu-Azocar said.

“Once we return, I don’t see how we would be in the classroom very long before they start shutting down the schools” because of coronavirus outbreaks.

Returning brings personal health and safety concerns,

while choosing to stay home when the state mandates campuses reopen raises other problems.

there’s no guaranteed job security for educators who don’t feel comfortable returning to the classroom.

fear of contracting coronavirus is causing teachers to contemplate resigning or retiring rather than risk teaching in the classroom.

they fear bringing the coronavirus home to their family and worry about their own underlying health conditions that could affect them if they were to contract the virus.

They also worry about how to manage their own child care,

State funding plays a significant role in school districts’ reopening plans, Longoria said.

“Districts are being forced to open because funding is tied to opening,”

she said, acknowledging

districts can’t let all teachers remain at home without jeopardizing state money that funds payroll.

“If they don’t [reopen] then they’re going to get dinged on it, so we’re very concerned on [about] it.”

https://therivardreport.com/san-antonio-teacher-groups-balk-at-a-return-to-the-classroom-in-august (https://therivardreport.com/san-antonio-teacher-groups-balk-at-a-return-to-the-classroom-in-august/?utm_campaign=newsletter)

[boutons_deux]

Florida communities live in ‘terror’ due to ‘COVID-19 parties’ large enough to block streets: Police

multiple gated communities are facing a threat from large “COVID-19 parties” being organized by out-of-towners renting vacation homes — and the residents are “living a life of terror right now.”

“They’re … actually getting together and they’re trying to mingle to potentially spread the virus amongst each other if they’re asymptomatic or whatever the case might be,”

we’ve been finding out that there are people here that are unsavory people that you wouldn’t want in your neighborhoods.

There are some gangs, that are renting these houses, and they’re coming here to Osceola County."

COVID parties have been reported in a number of other states, including Alabama (https://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-students-throwing-covid-parties-infected-officials/story?id=71552514), Kentucky (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/kentucky-coronavirus-party-infection/index.html), and Texas (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/i-think-i-made-a-mistake-patient-who-thought-pandemic-was-a-hoax-dies-after-going-to-covid-party/).

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-communities-live-in-terror-due-to-19-parties-large-enough-to-block-streets-police/

[tholdren]

The entire population of Sweden isn't teachers, you immense idiot.

lolololoo 2

[Blake]

San Antonio Teacher Groups Balk at a Return to the Classroom in August

“Having us return to the classroom is a disaster waiting to happen,” Espiritu-Azocar said.

“Once we return, I don’t see how we would be in the classroom very long before they start shutting down the schools” because of coronavirus outbreaks.

Returning brings personal health and safety concerns,

while choosing to stay home when the state mandates campuses reopen raises other problems.

there’s no guaranteed job security for educators who don’t feel comfortable returning to the classroom.

fear of contracting coronavirus is causing teachers to contemplate resigning or retiring rather than risk teaching in the classroom.

they fear bringing the coronavirus home to their family and worry about their own underlying health conditions that could affect them if they were to contract the virus.

They also worry about how to manage their own child care,

State funding plays a significant role in school districts’ reopening plans, Longoria said.

“Districts are being forced to open because funding is tied to opening,”

she said, acknowledging

districts can’t let all teachers remain at home without jeopardizing state money that funds payroll.

“If they don’t [reopen] then they’re going to get dinged on it, so we’re very concerned on [about] it.”

https://therivardreport.com/san-antonio-teacher-groups-balk-at-a-return-to-the-classroom-in-august (https://therivardreport.com/san-antonio-teacher-groups-balk-at-a-return-to-the-classroom-in-august/?utm_campaign=newsletter)

Sucks that the president wants to put the onus on the states

Sucks that the states want to put the onus on the counties

But that's where we're at in these Trump times.... Take all the credit for the good, pass the buck on the bad

[Blake]

I'm only a troll

[tholdren]

A troll that proves other trolls wrong

[Blake]

I'm a liar

[RandomGuy]

He's such a dumb bastard. Um, school children get virus, go home pass it to mom who works in nursing home, mom super spreads it to nursing home. Sweden's higher death toll reflects spread was more unmitigated.


Covid-19 Spread Fastest by Teens and Tweens, Korea Study Finds
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-19/covid-19-spread-fastest-by-teens-and-tweens-korea-study-finds


For people who lived with patients between the ages of 10 and 19, 18.6% tested positive for the virus within about 10 days after the initial case was detected -- the highest rate of transmission among the groups studied. Children younger than 10 spread the virus at the lowest rate, though researchers warned that could change when schools reopen.

Yeah.. TSA

There is the hole in your data.

Not safe to open schools, especially in hotspots
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article

[RandomGuy]

Florida teen met friends against family’s wishes.

Now dad has COVID-19, fighting for his life

https://globalnews.ca/news/7188224/florida-dad-coronavirus-teen/

To Trash, his mafiya, and spineless Repugs, who don't give a fuck about you, what's a few 1000 debilitated or dead parents?





Well that puts the Korean study in an interesting light. Fuck.

[RandomGuy]

Stupid virus doesn't know it's not supposed to transmit from young people.

All the studies TSA was fapping to, all his links were to things about "children" 10 and younger.

With TSA there is always some missing part of the truth, and the part he left out, where he was disingenuous was that we didn't know about adolescents.

[tholdren]

Covid-19 Spread Fastest by Teens and Tweens, Korea Study Finds
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-19/covid-19-spread-fastest-by-teens-and-tweens-korea-study-finds



Yeah.. TSA

There is the hole in your data.

Not safe to open schools, especially in hotspots
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article

Midnightpulp and RandomGuy lololololololikol

[ChumpDumper]

All the studies TSA was fapping to, all his links were to things about "children" 10 and younger.

With TSA there is always some missing part of the truth, and the part he left out, where is was disingenuous was that we didn't know about adolescents.Yep, I noticed that too. Fortunately it will be easier to teach older students remotely but there's no way in hell it can be a one size fits all policy from PreK-12.

[Splits]

1285199041417158663

Sounds like Indiana has a solid plan :tu

[boutons_deux]

Sounds like Indiana has a solid plan :tu

Pandemic in Indiana is as uncontrolled as any red state

the gov is a con man conning schools and businesses to open as the pandemic worsens, complying with the anti-leadership from Trash and Birx

see USA : Indiana

https://www.statnews.com/feature/coronavirus/covid-19-tracker/?utm_campaign=hp_widget

[JamStone]

I haven’t followed this thread, so I don’t know if this has been discussed already. But one of my biggest questions about re-opening school is about the age cut-off line.

Even if we were to assume that kids are for the most part (for lack of a better term) immune to the virus and are not generally vectors for the disease even if they do get infected, even assuming that to be true, until what age? Seems like I’ve read things like “under 17” stats. Well, there are kids in high school who are 17 and older. Do we just tell those high school seniors and juniors they can’t go back and have to do everything from home online? What about kids who are 16 and turn 17 during the school year? Pull them out of school after their birthday?

I know that the data is not certain, and certainly not absolute. We don’t know everything yet, obviously. But the whole children could be immune angle troubles me as it relates to defining who the kids are. Is it pre-puberty kids only? Only kids under 17? How do we know? I have a niece who will turn 17 next week and will be a senior in high school. I worry about her because I don’t know what the truth is when it comes to the age of kids and the coronavirus.

[boutons_deux]

I have a niece who will turn 17 next week and will be a senior in high school. I worry about her because I don’t know what the truth is when it comes to the age of kids and the coronavirus.

this is Trash's CDC so not immune to political massaging, even if from CA

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID-19-Cases-by-Age-Group.aspx

[DarrinS]

The look on this guy's face at the end of the video. :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C7R1vrbne8

[Splits]

I haven’t followed this thread, so I don’t know if this has been discussed already. But one of my biggest questions about re-opening school is about the age cut-off line.

Even if we were to assume that kids are for the most part (for lack of a better term) immune to the virus and are not generally vectors for the disease even if they do get infected, even assuming that to be true, until what age? Seems like I’ve read things like “under 17” stats. Well, there are kids in high school who are 17 and older. Do we just tell those high school seniors and juniors they can’t go back and have to do everything from home online? What about kids who are 16 and turn 17 during the school year? Pull them out of school after their birthday?

I know that the data is not certain, and certainly not absolute. We don’t know everything yet, obviously. But the whole children could be immune angle troubles me as it relates to defining who the kids are. Is it pre-puberty kids only? Only kids under 17? How do we know? I have a niece who will turn 17 next week and will be a senior in high school. I worry about her because I don’t know what the truth is when it comes to the age of kids and the coronavirus.

Best study to date was just released a couple days ago, Mid also made a thread on it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

[baseline bum]

I haven’t followed this thread, so I don’t know if this has been discussed already. But one of my biggest questions about re-opening school is about the age cut-off line.

Even if we were to assume that kids are for the most part (for lack of a better term) immune to the virus and are not generally vectors for the disease even if they do get infected, even assuming that to be true, until what age? Seems like I’ve read things like “under 17” stats. Well, there are kids in high school who are 17 and older. Do we just tell those high school seniors and juniors they can’t go back and have to do everything from home online? What about kids who are 16 and turn 17 during the school year? Pull them out of school after their birthday?

I know that the data is not certain, and certainly not absolute. We don’t know everything yet, obviously. But the whole children could be immune angle troubles me as it relates to defining who the kids are. Is it pre-puberty kids only? Only kids under 17? How do we know? I have a niece who will turn 17 next week and will be a senior in high school. I worry about her because I don’t know what the truth is when it comes to the age of kids and the coronavirus.

The idea that 17 year-olds aren't vectors sounded ridiculous when we know 21-29 year-olds in bars were by far the most devastating vector in Texas' descent into hell.

[Blake]

I haven’t followed this thread, so I don’t know if this has been discussed already. But one of my biggest questions about re-opening school is about the age cut-off line.

Even if we were to assume that kids are for the most part (for lack of a better term) immune to the virus and are not generally vectors for the disease even if they do get infected, even assuming that to be true, until what age? Seems like I’ve read things like “under 17” stats. Well, there are kids in high school who are 17 and older. Do we just tell those high school seniors and juniors they can’t go back and have to do everything from home online? What about kids who are 16 and turn 17 during the school year? Pull them out of school after their birthday?

I know that the data is not certain, and certainly not absolute. We don’t know everything yet, obviously. But the whole children could be immune angle troubles me as it relates to defining who the kids are. Is it pre-puberty kids only? Only kids under 17? How do we know? I have a niece who will turn 17 next week and will be a senior in high school. I worry about her because I don’t know what the truth is when it comes to the age of kids and the coronavirus.

And then there are the teachers

[Spurminator]

oops wrong thread

[tholdren]

The idea that 17 year-olds aren't vectors sounded ridiculous when we know 21-29 year-olds in bars were by far the most devastating vector in Texas' descent into hell.

Lololololl proceeding to gossip

[rmt]

Does anyone know how covid affects kids compared to the flu? If it's even close, the kids/parents should be given the option of school in person - no one thinks of shutting down schools because of annual flu. Regardless, most parents probably has some option of online - if they are concerned, then have the kids stay home (and provide child care for the little/elementary-aged ones).

[Blake]

Does anyone know how covid affects kids compared to the flu? If it's even close, the kids/parents should be given the option of school in person - no one thinks of shutting down schools because of annual flu. Regardless, most parents probably has some option of online - if they are concerned, then have the kids stay home (and provide child care for the little/elementary-aged ones).

Does anyone know how covid affects teachers?

[tholdren]

Does anyone know how covid affects teachers?

yes. There is data everywhere that shows who is at risk and who is not. Try reading that

[baseline bum]

Does anyone know how covid affects kids compared to the flu? If it's even close, the kids/parents should be given the option of school in person - no one thinks of shutting down schools because of annual flu. Regardless, most parents probably has some option of online - if they are concerned, then have the kids stay home (and provide child care for the little/elementary-aged ones).

Remember when your retarded ass said it was just increasing testing driving your outbreak?

[baseline bum]

Lololololl proceeding to gossip

LOL COVID Truther boomer

[rmt]

Does anyone know how covid affects teachers?

Not all teachers are at high risk - just like not all kids will choose to go to physical school. Those teachers can teach those kids from home.

[Blake]

Not all teachers are at high risk - just like not all kids will choose to go to physical school. Those teachers can teach those kids from home.

Why risk any teacher at all then?

[tholdren]

Why risk any teacher at all then?

why live if covid will kill us all

/thread

[Blake]

I'm a disingenuous liar

[boutons_deux]

Teachers sue Florida governor for order to reopen schools in defiance of ‘basic human needs for health and safety’

Teachers in Florida—where coronavirus cases continue to surge—filed a lawsuit on Monday to block a state-ordered physical reopening of schools in August, saying,

“There is no rational basis for ignoring science and evidence-based data.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/teachers-sue-florida-governor-for-order-to-reopen-schools-in-defiance-of-basic-human-needs-for-health-and-safety/

[rmt]

Why risk any teacher at all then?

Why aren't you concerned about the employees in the grocery stores, Home Depot, Walmart, Costco, dentist/doctor's offices? What's so special about teachers - other than they are unionized?

[baseline bum]

Not all teachers are at high risk - just like not all kids will choose to go to physical school. Those teachers can teach those kids from home.

It's all high risk if you're in an enclosed area with 160 students 6-7 hours a day, 5 days a week, shithead.

[baseline bum]

Why aren't you concerned about the employees in the grocery stores, Home Depot, Walmart, Costco, dentist/doctor's offices? What's so special about teachers - other than they are unionized?

I don't know if you don't know this, but you die when you don't eat. So because grocery stores are high risk essential businesses that 100% have to be open, just fucking throw everyone into high risk areas.

[baseline bum]

Why aren't you concerned about the employees in the grocery stores, Home Depot, Walmart, Costco, dentist/doctor's offices? What's so special about teachers - other than they are unionized?

:cry If hospitals get to be open, why not bars? :cry

[Spurminator]

.

[tholdren]

:cry If hospitals get to be open, why not bars? :cry

Give us the stats on hospital workers and you may have answered your question

[ElNono]

Give us the stats on hospital workers and you may have answered your question

gossip

[Blake]

:cry If hospitals get to be open, why not bars? :cry

These buffoons go to this line of reasoning every time

[Blake]

Give us the stats on hospital workers and you may have answered your question

Give us your stats

[tholdren]

These buffoons go to this line of reasoning every time

lolollopoloopolol

Hospitals never over capacity

[baseline bum]

Give us the stats on hospital workers and you may have answered your question

What stat? People have to work hospitals. Society can't function without hospitals.

[tholdren]

What stat? People have to work hospitals. Society can't function without hospitals.

Oddly enough the cdc doesn't have the data. Shocking.

[ElNono]

Oddly enough the cdc doesn't have the data. Shocking.

wrong

[tholdren]

Oddly enough the cdc doesn't have the data. Shocking.

they only have partial data. Beahahahahahhahahahahahaha


Cdc lolololollooo

[ElNono]

they only have partial data. Beahahahahahhahahahahahaha

Cdc lolololollooo

wrong

[boutons_deux]

I was in Lowe's this afternoon, cashiers had masks and behind extensive plastic screens

Every customer saw had a mask

Same situation at HEB

[DarrinS]

I was in Lowe's this afternoon, cashiers had masks and behind extensive plastic screens

Every customer saw had a mask

Same situation at HEB



You seem disappointed

[boutons_deux]

‘Kids Are at Risk’: Coronavirus Cases Among Bexar County Children Reach Record High

Children ages 18 and younger now make up 11.2 percent of local coronavirus cases, a new high in Bexar County,

https://therivardreport.com/bexar-county-children-coronavirus-cases-covid-19 (https://therivardreport.com/bexar-county-children-coronavirus-cases-covid-19/?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter-daily&utm_content=editorial&utm_term=health&utm_source=Rivard+Report&utm_campaign=616f8ac30c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_12_21_07_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1576c62124-616f8ac30c-84683437&mc_cid=616f8ac30c&mc_eid=54a5432c74)

[rmt]

I don't know if you don't know this, but you die when you don't eat. So because grocery stores are high risk essential businesses that 100% have to be open, just fucking throw everyone into high risk areas.

Are you saying that they sell groceries at Home Depot? That's news to me. As far as I know Home Depot has not closed during covid. No sympathy for Home Depot employees when their clientele is much MORE likely to spread or be affected by covid.

[rmt]

And I guess all those liquor stores and pot places sell groceries too - just no sympathy for them. Maybe the sympathy is only for UNIONIZED employees but wait, that'd include POLICE - so I guess not.

[rmt]

There's no sympathy for the cops being beaten up on but omg, the little kids MIGHT spread covid to the teachers - like they can't take precautions like every other worker dealing with the public.

[baseline bum]

Are you saying that they sell groceries at Home Depot? That's news to me. As far as I know Home Depot has not closed during covid. No sympathy for Home Depot employees when their clientele is much MORE likely to spread or be affected by covid.

You're a fucking retard, Home Depot employees aren't cooped up in a small room with 30-35 students 7 hours a day. I mean really, die in a fire or something.

[TimDunkem]

Is rmt serious?

[boutons_deux]

"cops are beaten up" WTF

[rmt]

"cops are beaten up" WTF

Oh, you missed this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1VdhQbfSTY

[Trill Clinton]

Oh, you missed this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1VdhQbfSTY

boo hoo. did they die tho?

[Blake]

There's no sympathy for the cops being beaten up on but omg, the little kids MIGHT spread covid to the teachers - like they can't take precautions like every other worker dealing with the public.

TEACHERS NEED TO GET INSIDE THAT CLASSROOM BECAUSE WHATABOUT COPS GETTING BEAT UP ON.

makes totally perfect sense, imo

[ChumpDumper]

Are you saying that they sell groceries at Home Depot? That's news to me. As far as I know Home Depot has not closed during covid. No sympathy for Home Depot employees when their clientele is much MORE likely to spread or be affected by covid.Have you been inside a Home Depot?

Have you been inside a classroom?

[RandomGuy]

Are you saying that they sell groceries at Home Depot? That's news to me. As far as I know Home Depot has not closed during covid. No sympathy for Home Depot employees when their clientele is much MORE likely to spread or be affected by covid.

I may not always go to Home Depot, but when I do, its not to stay in a small room with 25 people for seven hours five days a week.

keep the schools closed until the case counts are under control.

[boutons_deux]

Even where Trump is popular, some school leaders reject his push to reopen schools

Reopening schools is seen as a linchpin to restarting the economy, making it a crucial part of his reelection bid.

school officials who worry that reopening schools could accelerate the spread of the virus.

In interviews, some expressed frustration that the president was pushing schools to reopen but

offering little in the way of help, financial or otherwise.

Congress allocated $13.5 billion in pandemic relief to K-12 schools,

compared with the $100 billion they got in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis.

I’ve got to look out first and foremost for the kids, for the teachers, the service personnel, all those involved right on down to the parents.”

The red-state governors who have followed Trump’s lead have faced swift backlash from school leaders.

Teachers, however, are pushing back hard.

On Monday, Florida’s largest teachers union sued DeSantis and the state’s top education official to force them to roll back their emergency order.

Many parents are reluctant, too, as the science around how well children spread the virus remains inconclusive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/07/21/even-where-trump-is-popular-some-school-leaders-reject-his-push-reopen-schools (https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/07/21/even-where-trump-is-popular-some-school-leaders-reject-his-push-reopen-schools/?utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1&pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.e yJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSI sImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk3NDBkYjNhZGU0ZTIxYTg0OTNmZ GFlIiwidGFnIjoiNWYxNzRmOTJmZTFmZjY1ODUxNDZhMTY1Iiw idXJsIjoiaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud2FzaGluZ3RvbnBvc3QuY29tL 2VkdWNhdGlvbi8yMDIwLzA3LzIxL2V2ZW4td2hlcmUtdHJ1bXA taXMtcG9wdWxhci1zb21lLXNjaG9vbC1sZWFkZXJzLXJlamVjd C1oaXMtcHVzaC1yZW9wZW4tc2Nob29scy8_dXRtX2NhbXBhaWd uPXdwX3RvX3lvdXJfaGVhbHRoJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmd XRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJndwaXNyYz1ubF90eWgmd3B taz0xIn0.DIZIDFRgYKC6qdVjtg4Nya_2ydznoR9-eUVwBH_dkP8)

[Trainwreck2100]

this whole teaching thing is now that parents realize how shitty it is to spend all day with their crappy kids, they want to throw them back at the teachers who initially had to spend all day with their shitty kids. And they still won't give them a pay raise.

[tholdren]

I may not always go to Home Depot, but when I do, its not to stay in a small room with 25 people for seven hours five days a week.

keep the schools closed until the case counts are under control.

lol cases bwahahahhahahahahhahaha

[ElNono]

^ lol gossip

[Monostradamus]

https://i.postimg.cc/V6CqznjX/614033-A3-FFFE-46-D0-84-E4-9-E22-CCA18743.jpg

[Blake]

https://i.postimg.cc/V6CqznjX/614033-A3-FFFE-46-D0-84-E4-9-E22-CCA18743.jpg

"boo socialism but we need to drag these kids into publicly funded school buildings for their own good"

[tholdren]

"boo socialism but we need to drag these kids into publicly funded school buildings for their own good"

people so blinded by media they only think virus happens in USA.

[Winehole23]

1285635974672744448

[Monostradamus]

1285635974672744448
:lmao the Republican way - “Put your children at risk for the betterment of our country! But not my kids, just yours.”

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/peterpham/status/1285772128466333697

[Blake]

people so blinded by media they only think virus happens in USA.

That's you. You're in here hourly crying about Sweden

[boutons_deux]

Students atheletes, I would expect most were not kids, but teens, middle and high school?

1000s of that age group have died, and many 1000Ms more have been severely damaged.

and student athletes are only a tiny %age of all students.

[Blake]

https://mobile.twitter.com/peterpham/status/1285772128466333697

Athletes getting depressed because they can't play sports?

Why didn't you say so? Let's get these schools fully open today!

[Spurtacular]

Athletes getting depressed because they can't play sports?

Why didn't you say so? Let's get these schools fully open today!

You sucked at sports when you were a kid, didn't you, board cuckold? :lmao

[TSA]

Students atheletes, I would expect most were not kids, but teens, middle and high school?

1000s of that age group have died, and many 1000Ms more have been severely damaged.

and student athletes are only a tiny %age of all students.

In the US 1000s of teens have died from covid and many 1000Ms more have been severely damaged by covid? Where are you getting these stats from?

[rmt]

this whole teaching thing is now that parents realize how shitty it is to spend all day with their crappy kids, they want to throw them back at the teachers who initially had to spend all day with their shitty kids. And they still won't give them a pay raise.

DCSAA just got 3% raise - only after teachers got theirs, of course. Don't swallow the lie that they aren't getting paid - especially the retirees before Rick Scott reformed Florida Retirement System. Before Scott's changes, COLA was 3% per year - imagine starting at 22, work 30 years and start collecting pension [based on 5 highest years plus max 60 days vacation plus all the {unlimited} sick leave accumulated from 30 years at 12 per year) for the rest of your life at 3% guaranteed raise per year. Now, after 2011, for each year worked, n/30 gets subtracted from COLA.

This is after a proposition was approved on last ballot for raises for teachers in Miami-Dade - I hear that some senior teachers got a $22k bump.

[Blake]

DCSAA just got 3% raise - only after teachers got theirs, of course. Don't swallow the lie that they aren't getting paid - especially the retirees before Rick Scott reformed Florida Retirement System. Before Scott's changes, COLA was 3% per year - imagine starting at 22, work 30 years and start collecting pension [based on 5 highest years plus max 60 days vacation plus all the {unlimited} sick leave accumulated from 30 years at 12 per year) for the rest of your life at 3% guaranteed raise per year. Now, after 2011, for each year worked, n/30 gets subtracted from COLA.

This is after a proposition was approved on last ballot for raises for teachers in Miami-Dade - I hear that some senior teachers got a $22k bump.

Lol "I hear"

[Splits]

38 people test positive for COVID-19 following Ky. high school football team outbreak
(https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article244347427.html)

BY VALARIE HONEYCUTT SPEARS
JULY 20, 2020 01:31 PM , UPDATED JULY 20, 2020 07:53 PM

A COVID-19 outbreak among Hazard Independent High School football players had spread by Monday to 38 people, including 18 football players, three coaches and 17 of their family members and close contacts who have tested positive.


Scott Lockard, the director of the Kentucky River District Health Department in Hazard who provided the numbers to the Herald-Leader, said all 38 have been recovering at home.


Lockard had reported on July 11 that the southeastern Kentucky school had suspended athletic team workouts as nine players and a coach tested positive for COVID-19 in a cluster.


With the increase in cases, he said Monday that athletic workouts, practices and training at the school have now been suspended indefinitely. A weight room at the high school was considered to be the common denominator.


“The outbreak is related, we feel like is related, to out-of -state travel,” Lockard said.


On Monday night, Lockard clarified that the first student reported to the health department as testing positive and his family had not traveled out of state as Lockard had said earlier in the day.


“But he was exposed to other individuals associated with the team who had traveled out of state and have tested positive for COVID-19,” Lockard said.


Lockard did not identify the other state.


He said the high school weight room “we think was a big part of the transmission between the students.”


Lockard said the health department would work with the school to determine when it was safe to resume workouts.


Last week, Hazard Independent Superintendent Sondra Combs said the district school reopening date was going to be delayed to August 24, noting “the rising number of positive cases and some anxiety of our families.”


Lockard said he could not confirm that Hazard Independent was the Kentucky school that Gov. Andy Beshear mentioned during a Friday news conference as having 36 positive COVID-19 cases as of Friday and being an example of “community impact.”


Beshear would not identify that school where he said masks were not being worn inside a weight room. He noted that 18 players and three coaches had tested positive and as of Friday, 15 others.


“This is just one example of why wearing a mask is absolutely critical,” Beshear said. “Let’s just take this as another lesson that we’re living in really dangerous times.”


“It says that we need to be nervous right now about sports,” he said.


The case associated with a high school athletic team comes as school districts across the state, including Fayette, are trying to decide how and when to reopen schools which shut down in-person learning in March as the coronavirus spread.


On Sunday, Beshear announced the largest single day increase in COVID-19 cases at 979. Lexington health officials on Monday announced a spike in cases of children under 18.

[hater]

Hearing of schools in maryland, dc and va are going to be virtual

But but the children will hqve to stay home :cry

Time to start building lots of little coffins

[Monostradamus]

https://mobile.twitter.com/peterpham/status/1285772128466333697
The stunted education and mental health of kids learning from home with shitty resources is a legitimate concern tbh. But “just send the poor kids back to school” isn’t a great solution.

[rmt]

I know some like to bash Rick Scott but reforming the Florida Retirement System was one good thing he did - saved a lot of runaway abuses - now it's in pretty good shape (compared to other states).

[baseline bum]

I know some like to bash Rick Scott but reforming the Florida Retirement System was one good thing he did - saved a lot of runaway abuses - now it's in pretty good shape (compared to other states).

Wow imagine bashing the criminal behind the biggest case of medicare fraud the country has ever seen.

[midnightpulp]

Kids are reasonably safe from dying.

https://data.cdc.gov/d/9bhg-hcku/visualization

The primary argument is how will it spread it to staff at schools? In Sweden:


However, a scan of Swedish newspapers makes clear that school outbreaks have occurred. In the town of Skellefteå, a teacher died and 18 of 76 staff tested positive at a school with about 500 students in preschool through ninth grade. The school closed for 2 weeks because so many staff were sick,

We tend to do things on another level of irresponsibility in the US, so if Sweden is having outbreaks in schools that cause shutdowns, what will happen here? My other worry is that while kids are at less risk from dying of Covid vs. the flu, are they at less risk from long term complications? Sure, I think opening schools in sparsely population regions like Montana or whatever is relatively safe, but an inner city in New York presents a different problem.

[midnightpulp]

Wow imagine bashing the criminal behind the biggest case of medicare fraud the country has ever seen.

She'll never bash a politician with the mark of the angel (R) aside their name.

[rmt]

Kids are reasonably safe from dying.

https://data.cdc.gov/d/9bhg-hcku/visualization

The primary argument is how will it spread it to staff at schools? In Sweden:



We tend to do things on another level of irresponsibility in the US, so if Sweden is having outbreaks in schools that cause shutdowns, what will happen here? My other worry is that while kids are at less risk from dying of Covid vs. the flu, are they at less risk from long term complications? Sure, I think opening schools in sparsely population regions like Montana or whatever is relatively safe, but an inner city in New York presents a different problem.

It's up to the local school district and its parents - pretty sure just about everywhere offers an online option. Those parents who don't feel comfortable sending their kids - don't. That'll leave more space for social distancing with the kids whose parents CHOOSE to send them.

[RandomGuy]

The stunted education and mental health of kids learning from home with shitty resources is a legitimate concern tbh. But “just send the poor kids back to school” isn’t a great solution.

Eyup.

I do think they need to get back into school ASAP. The problem with that though is that in the middle of a hotzone outbreak, it is simply too risky. If you can get your case count under control, and everybody being halfway responsible outside of school, then yeah, send them back.

Seems to be a lot safer for little kids, not so much adolescents. WIth some solid risk mitigation it can probably be done for both groups, but you will have to be a lot more careful with the older kids, and their teachers.

[RandomGuy]

Oh, you missed this?

[chicago cops get stuff thrown at them]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFeewU0HhNE

NYPD ACCUSED OF DELIBERATELY TARGETING LEGAL OBSERVERS
https://popularresistance.org/nypd-accused-of-deliberately-targeting-legal-observers/

Denigrated and discredited': how American journalists became targets during protests
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/08/us-journalists-media-protests-donald-trump

etc.

This goes both ways, and for every cop injured, there is at least one protestor that is injured or worse, often losing eyes to "less lethal" ammunition deployed indescriminately.

Yes, pelting police is bad.

If you can't say police abusing their force is bad too... well you are the problem.

[RandomGuy]

Oh, you missed this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1VdhQbfSTY


The Chicago Police Department’s History of Torture
Laurence Ralph’s The Torture Letters recounts an extensive history of police abuse and violence in the CPD.

The Chicago Police Department has been synonymous with all of the very worst excesses of law enforcement culture in the United States for decades, its actions exacerbated by a culture of winking, backslapping, and encouragement from elected officials and parts of the community. This is, after all, a culture of policing that considers the murder of Fred Hampton and the clubbing of protesters at the 1968 Democratic National Convention as its high-water marks.

I am a white Chicagoan, one who grew up around cops telling hilarious stories to preteens at block parties about how to beat a suspect without leaving any bruises. Needless to say, there is nothing funny about those stories for those on the receiving end. Laurence Ralph, a Princeton anthropology professor, looks back at some of the Chicago Police Department’s most egregious abuses, including the Jon Burge scandal, which revealed the CPD’s history of using torture techniques against more than 100 suspects—a monumental miscarriage of justice that was an open secret among police, prosecutors, and elected officials in Chicago for decades. The abuse of suspects in CPD custody was widespread and vile, and as Ralph documents, a direct influence on the more widely publicized abuses that happened during the so-called War on Terror.

Not sure how much sympathy I have in this case.

[Blake]

Hey some rational thinking:


"AUSTIN (KXAN) — On Tuesday, Austin-Travis County’s top doctor recommended that education leaders prioritize getting younger kids back to school first.

In his weekly briefing with Travis County Commissioners Tuesday, Dr. Mark Escott was clear that there is danger in sending anyone back to school.

He says while data is changing weekly and even daily on the rate at which children contract and spread the virus, the risks to faculty and staff is much, much higher.


“The risk of death in our population in March and April was about 2% for those ages 50 to 59, which is much higher than for students. The risk of hospitalizations is much higher, and we can’t exclude the teachers and the staff, the custodians, the other support staff, administrators when we’re making our decisions about schools. They’re the ones at risk. The parents of those students are at risk. We’ve got to weigh all those things in making a decision.”

Escott says recommendations from the National Academy of Sciencing, Engineering and Medicine suggest first bringing back students in kindergarten through third grade, who most need teacher interaction to develop reading skills, and students in special education classes, who require extra help.

“If we’re going to take risks, those risks have to be very small,” Escott said of returning children to schools. “I think it’s important that we consider a staged rollout of in person schooling, that we take the advice from the National Academies and focus on those students who really must be in a classroom in September and then dial it up from there as the situation allows.”

But Austin ISD’s Union President, Ken Zarifis says even that isn’t a risk most educators are willing to take.

“We understand that the challenges are mighty with families, with the district, and everybody else,” Zarifis said. “But we will not sacrifice our kids, our kindergartners, our six-year-olds, our seven-year-olds, just to see if it’s going to work.”

Zarifis doesn’t deny that at-home learning will create some gaps in education, saying, “This is an extraordinary time. Let’s admit the shortcomings that this COVID-19 presents to education and how we will not meet the typical year’s demands for education.”

However, he says educators can do a better job filling in those gaps and catching students up in the long run if they hone in on executing online learning for now and shift their focus to making sure parents of young and special education students have all the resources they need by the fall.

“Let’s spend our time doing that instead of figuring out how to get kids back into a classroom,” Zarifis said.

https://www.kxan.com/news/education/austins-top-doctor-recommends-sending-younger-students-back-to-school-first/

[baseline bum]

It's up to the local school district and its parents - pretty sure just about everywhere offers an online option. Those parents who don't feel comfortable sending their kids - don't. That'll leave more space for social distancing with the kids whose parents CHOOSE to send them.

LOL this local control horseshit from Republicans. You all love one size fits all as long as it's at the state level (in only a red state, not California) or the federal level (only from a Republican president).

[TSA]

Hey some rational thinking:


"AUSTIN (KXAN) — On Tuesday, Austin-Travis County’s top doctor recommended that education leaders prioritize getting younger kids back to school first.

In his weekly briefing with Travis County Commissioners Tuesday, Dr. Mark Escott was clear that there is danger in sending anyone back to school.

He says while data is changing weekly and even daily on the rate at which children contract and spread the virus, the risks to faculty and staff is much, much higher.


“The risk of death in our population in March and April was about 2% for those ages 50 to 59, which is much higher than for students. The risk of hospitalizations is much higher, and we can’t exclude the teachers and the staff, the custodians, the other support staff, administrators when we’re making our decisions about schools. They’re the ones at risk. The parents of those students are at risk. We’ve got to weigh all those things in making a decision.”

Escott says recommendations from the National Academy of Sciencing, Engineering and Medicine suggest first bringing back students in kindergarten through third grade, who most need teacher interaction to develop reading skills, and students in special education classes, who require extra help.

“If we’re going to take risks, those risks have to be very small,” Escott said of returning children to schools. “I think it’s important that we consider a staged rollout of in person schooling, that we take the advice from the National Academies and focus on those students who really must be in a classroom in September and then dial it up from there as the situation allows.”

But Austin ISD’s Union President, Ken Zarifis says even that isn’t a risk most educators are willing to take.

“We understand that the challenges are mighty with families, with the district, and everybody else,” Zarifis said. “But we will not sacrifice our kids, our kindergartners, our six-year-olds, our seven-year-olds, just to see if it’s going to work.”

Zarifis doesn’t deny that at-home learning will create some gaps in education, saying, “This is an extraordinary time. Let’s admit the shortcomings that this COVID-19 presents to education and how we will not meet the typical year’s demands for education.”

However, he says educators can do a better job filling in those gaps and catching students up in the long run if they hone in on executing online learning for now and shift their focus to making sure parents of young and special education students have all the resources they need by the fall.

“Let’s spend our time doing that instead of figuring out how to get kids back into a classroom,” Zarifis said.

https://www.kxan.com/news/education/austins-top-doctor-recommends-sending-younger-students-back-to-school-first/

rational thinking = ignoring the recommendations from the National Academy of Sciencing, Engineering and Medicine :lmao

[Blake]

rational thinking = ignoring the recommendations from the National Academy of Sciencing, Engineering and Medicine :lmao

You're an illiterate retard, not worth wasting discussion time on, tbh. Just gonna treat you like derp and tholderp, fwiw. :tu

[RandomGuy]

rational thinking = ignoring the recommendations from the National Academy of Sciencing, Engineering and Medicine :lmao

NM. figured out what you meant.

[TSA]

You're an illiterate retard, not worth wasting discussion time on, tbh. Just gonna treat you like derp and tholderp, fwiw. :tu

Then state who you think had the rational thinking, Dr. Mark Escott or Union President Ken Zarifis?

[Blake]

Then state who you think had the rational thinking, Dr. Mark Escott or Union President Ken Zarifis?

Both, dumbass.

[TSA]

Both, dumbass.

The Union President ignoring the recommendations from the National Academy of Sciencing, Engineering and Medicine is rational?

[Blake]

The Union President ignoring the recommendations from the National Academy of Sciencing, Engineering and Medicine is rational?

Oh right, you don't fully understand the NASEM recommendations. Figures.

[boutons_deux]

rational thinking = ignoring the recommendations from the National Academy of Sciencing, Engineering and Medicine :lmao

if those academies have been polluted with Trash/Repug political hacks, then they have, like Trash and his mafiya, NO credibility

[tholdren]

You're an illiterate retard, not worth wasting discussion time on, tbh. Just gonna treat you like derp and tholderp, fwiw. :tu

lol you didn't know ny opened schools

[ChumpDumper]

lol you didn't know ny opened schoolsth:lolldren lost track about what he's supposed to be lying about.

[tholdren]

th:lolldren lost track about what he's supposed to be lying about.

Kansas

[ChumpDumper]

Kansasth:lolldren realizes he's in trouble so he changes the subject immediately.

He is not interested in science.

He will never show his math.

He only wants to get back at the people who saw him clown himself in March.

He will now begin a spectacular meltdown.

[tholdren]

th:lolldren realizes he's in trouble so he changes the subject immediately.

He is not interested in science.

He will never show his math.

He only wants to get back at the people who saw him clown himself in March.

He will now begin a spectacular meltdown.

bwahahahahahahahah


Bwahahahaahahahaha


Bwhahahaahahah

[ElNono]

bwahahahahahahahah

Bwahahahaahahahaha

Bwhahahaahahah

Wrong

[tholdren]

Wrong

at least el nono knows

[ChumpDumper]

bwahahahahahahahah


Bwahahahaahahahaha


BwhahahaahahahYour meltdown has begun.

[tholdren]

Your meltdown has begun.

Lol you just said there is science that differs in differet countries. LololooIol

That's blake level. TimDunkem level. RandomGuy level.

Lol

[Blake]

Lol you just said there is science that differs in differet countries. LololooIol

That's blake level. TimDunkem level. RandomGuy level.

Lol

Wow you're really looking up at a lot of posters

[ChumpDumper]

Lol you just said there is science that differs in differet countries. LololooIol

That's blake level. TimDunkem level. RandomGuy level.

Lol:lol you don't even know what "literally" means.

Your meltdown continues....

[Blake]

"With Texas AG’s blessing, San Antonio religious schools prepare for students’ return to campus
AG Ken Paxton says local orders prohibiting in-person instruction don’t apply to religious schools...."

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/07/23/with-texas-ags-blessing-san-antonio-religious-schools-prepare-for-students-return-to-campus/


Thanks a lot Ken. This blows.

[tholdren]

:lol you don't even know what "literally" means.

Your meltdown continues....
Lolooooololool you said science is different for different countries

[ChumpDumper]

Lolooooololool you said science is different for different countrieslol you lied and lied again

[ducks]

"With Texas AG’s blessing, San Antonio religious schools prepare for students’ return to campus
AG Ken Paxton says local orders prohibiting in-person instruction don’t apply to religious schools...."

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/07/23/with-texas-ags-blessing-san-antonio-religious-schools-prepare-for-students-return-to-campus/
You blow what

Thanks a lot Ken. This blows.

You blow what

[Blake]

You blow what

You pee in front girls

[tholdren]

Lolooooololool you said science is different for different countries

Chumpdump says

Science in America is different that scince in other parts of the world. So every time usa reports data, they are and will be an outlier.

Lolookokokokkkkokkl

[CosmicCowboy]

"With Texas AG’s blessing, San Antonio religious schools prepare for students’ return to campus
AG Ken Paxton says local orders prohibiting in-person instruction don’t apply to religious schools...."

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/07/23/with-texas-ags-blessing-san-antonio-religious-schools-prepare-for-students-return-to-campus/


Thanks a lot Ken. This blows.

You don't like the 1st amendment?

[Blake]

You don't like the 1st amendment?

Are you serious?

[TSA]

L.A. Latino, Black students suffered deep disparities in online learning, records show

More than 50,000 Black and Latino middle and high school students in Los Angeles did not regularly participate in the school system’s main platform for virtual classrooms after campuses closed in March, a reflection of the deep disparities faced by students of color amid the COVID-19 pandemic and of the difficulties ahead as L.A. Unified prepares for continued online learning.

The numbers, reflected in a first-of-its-kind report by Los Angeles Unified School District analysts examining student engagement during campus closures, paint a stark picture of students in the nation’s second largest school district struggling under the new pressures of online learning.
Nearly every category of students — sorted by race, income and learning needs — included large numbers who did not regularly participate in distance learning. But low-income students and Black and Latino students showed participation rates between 10 and 20 percentage points lower than white and Asian peers.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-16/latino-and-black-students-hard-hit-with-disparities-in-their-struggle-with-online-learning

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you serious?

Are you? Why would he have to exclude RELIGIOUS schools?

dumbass

[CosmicCowboy]

L.A. Latino, Black students suffered deep disparities in online learning, records show

More than 50,000 Black and Latino middle and high school students in Los Angeles did not regularly participate in the school system’s main platform for virtual classrooms after campuses closed in March, a reflection of the deep disparities faced by students of color amid the COVID-19 pandemic and of the difficulties ahead as L.A. Unified prepares for continued online learning.

The numbers, reflected in a first-of-its-kind report by Los Angeles Unified School District analysts examining student engagement during campus closures, paint a stark picture of students in the nation’s second largest school district struggling under the new pressures of online learning.
Nearly every category of students — sorted by race, income and learning needs — included large numbers who did not regularly participate in distance learning. But low-income students and Black and Latino students showed participation rates between 10 and 20 percentage points lower than white and Asian peers.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-16/latino-and-black-students-hard-hit-with-disparities-in-their-struggle-with-online-learning

what a surprise :lmao

sounds like it mirrors the normal dropout rate.

[Blake]

Are you? Why would he have to exclude RELIGIOUS schools?

dumbass

So you don't think the government should have the right to shut down churches in person either?

Just so we're clear before I call you a retard.

[CosmicCowboy]

So you don't think the government has to the right to shut down churches in person either?

Just so we're clear before I call you a retard.

Speaking of Retards:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble

It's called the first amendment of the constitution, dumbass.

[Blake]

Speaking of Retards:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,

Smh

[CosmicCowboy]

Don't get me wrong, I think the churches SHOULD close and go remote, but the government can't legally FORCE them to do it.

[CosmicCowboy]

Smh

so Blake disagrees with the first amendment

SMH

[Blake]

Here you go, retard.

See if you can follow this and understand

".....Normally the notion of government agents shutting churches down would trigger immediate strong concerns about breaches of religious liberty. And, of course, if churches are singled out for such hostile treatment, this would be a textbook violation of the First Amendment’s Free Exercise Clause.

This does not mean, however, that churches are entitled to a special exemption to public safety measures that are applied evenhandedly....."

https://aclj.org/religious-liberty/can-the-government-close-churches-in-response-to-an-epidemic

[CosmicCowboy]

See if you can follow THIS dumbass. They can't shut down churches and keep Walmart open. There is state and Supreme court precedent.


Across the nation, State Governors have issued Executive Orders restricting the operation of businesses and the daily activities of individuals. They are doing so in response to the COVID-19 pandemic which has swept America and the world. These Orders often include prohibitions on the gathering of 10 or more people in any enclosed space.

Churches have not been exempt from these Executive Orders, and religious activities are usually expressly included. The effect has been to close churches for Sunday worship and other ministries, and to likewise restrict services in synagogues and mosques.

Churches have generally complied and cooperated with the Executive Orders, and taken their services on line. But there have also been vocal protests, defiance, and court challenges. At the heart of the controversy is the question of constitutional rights. How can a State Government have the power to effectively shutter churches in a nation that guarantees freedom of religion? The first legal test arose in the United States District Court in Kansas.

Kansas Governor Laura Kelly issued a series of Executive Orders in response to the declared state of emergency. On April 7, 2020 she issued Executive Order 20-18, effective the next day, that prohibited gatherings of more than 10 people. The Order was expressly made applicable to “churches and other religious facilities.” It prohibited “gatherings of more than ten congregants or parishioners in the same building or confined or enclosed space.” The pastor, choir, and those participating in the service were exempt from the ten-person limit.

Two churches filed suit: The First Baptist Church of Dodge City, and Calvary Baptist Church of Junction City. The Court held an emergency hearing, by telephone, on April 17, and issued a Memorandum and Order the next day.

The question before the Court was whether the Executive Order violated the constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion. The State governments have broad powers, especially in times of emergency. The Federal government has limited powers and only those the Constitution so provides. State governments have broad powers and can act except where the Constitution says it cannot.

No one doubts that State governments can make general laws that impact churches and church buildings. It can require that churches conform to building and fire codes. It can assign occupancy limits to church buildings, just as it does to movie theaters and restaurants.

The question is when do those restrictions become a violation of the constitutional protection of freedom of religion. The answer is framed in a three part test: All governmental restrictions on churches must be (i) laws of general applicability (that is applicable to all businesses and institutions and not just religious activities); (ii) they must concern a compelling governmental interest; and (iii) they must be narrowly tailored to meet that interest.

In First Baptist Church v. Governor Laura Kelly, the “compelling government interest” is clearly the COVID-19 pandemic. The United State Supreme Court ruled in 1905 in a case concerning smallpox vaccinations that “under the pressure of great dangers constitutional rights may be reasonably restricted as the safety of the general public may demand.” Jacobson v. Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

Likewise, the Executive Order was designed to meet the crisis. Court cannot second-guess the executive on the 10 person limit on gathering. To do so would be to “usurp the functions of another branch of government” so long as the restrictions had some “real or substantial relation to the public health crisis.”

And so, the question came down to the first prong of the test, was Executive Order 20-18 of general applicability? The Court found that it was not, and that it disfavored churches as opposed to businesses and other institutions.

The Court noted that the Order started with general language concerning “all public or private mass gatherings.” But then it went on to list 26 exceptions, including airports, childcare facilities, hotels, shelters, shopping malls, libraries, senior centers, restaurants, bars, office spaces, and manufacturing sites.

The Court, quoting from a 1993 Supreme Court religious freedom case (Church of Lukumi Babalu v. City of Hialeah), found that “when individualized exemptions from a general requirement are available, the government may not refuse to extend that system to cases of religious hardship without compelling reasons.” The Court went on to hold that “a law is under inclusive, and thus not generally applicable, when it fails to prohibit secular activity that endangers the same interests to a similar or greater degree than the prohibited religious conduct.”

The Court ruled that the Governor’s Order appeared to have singled out religious activities among essential functions for stricter treatment. It thus entered a Restraining Order against the Governor and the State of Kansas from enforcing the penalties in the Executive Order against the churches, its staff, or its members.

This should not be read as a blanket rejection of a State’s authority to act in situations of emergency. In its Order, the Court listed 17 specific restrictions the church would have to accept when holding services, including having the facility deep cleaned before and after each service, restrictions on any church members exposed to the COVID-19 virus from attending, attendees advised to perform temperature checks, attendees being advised to bring their own PPE to church, a single point of entry and egress at the building, there being no church bulletins distributed and no collection plate passed.

The Governor of Kansas subsequently modified her Executive Order, so that religious services were treated the same with other essential activities. A check of the website of the two churches shows that both are still having services on Sunday mornings.

These rulings are consistent with statement released by Attorney General William Barr on April 14, 2020. He stated the same principles of law applied by the Federal Court in Kansas:

In exigent circumstances, when the community as a whole faces an impending harm of this magnitude, and where the measures are tailored to meeting the imminent danger, the constitution does allow some temporary restriction on our liberties that would not be tolerated in normal circumstances.

But even in times of emergency, when reasonable and temporary restrictions are placed on rights, the First Amendment and federal statutory law prohibit discrimination against religious institutions and religious believers. Thus, government may not impose special restrictions on religious activity that do not also apply to similar nonreligious activity. For example, if a government allows movie theaters, restaurants, concert halls, and other comparable places of assembly to remain open and unrestricted, it may not order houses of worship to close, limit their congregation size, or otherwise impede religious gatherings. Religious institutions must not be singled out for special burdens.

The legal landscape of COVID-19 continues to develop and change at a rapid pace. However, Despite this time of uncertainty, the Federal Court in Kansas, along with the statement of Attorney General William Barr, indicate that the freedom of religion is invariable, even in times of emergency and crisis.

[CosmicCowboy]

Here you go, retard.

See if you can follow this and understand

".....Normally the notion of government agents shutting churches down would trigger immediate strong concerns about breaches of religious liberty. And, of course, if churches are singled out for such hostile treatment, this would be a textbook violation of the First Amendment’s Free Exercise Clause.

This does not mean, however, that churches are entitled to a special exemption to public safety measures that are applied evenhandedly....."

https://aclj.org/religious-liberty/can-the-government-close-churches-in-response-to-an-epidemic

In "english for dummies" this means you can't shut down churches without shutting down Walmart too.

you lose again, cuckster.

[Blake]

You beat that strawman down real good. He's not getting up after det one

[tholdren]

Here you go, retard.

See if you can follow this and understand

".....Normally the notion of government agents shutting churches down would trigger immediate strong concerns about breaches of religious liberty. And, of course, if churches are singled out for such hostile treatment, this would be a textbook violation of the First Amendment’s Free Exercise Clause.

This does not mean, however, that churches are entitled to a special exemption to public safety measures that are applied evenhandedly....."

https://aclj.org/religious-liberty/can-the-government-close-churches-in-response-to-an-epidemic

blake using name-calling to emphasize his lack of evidence

[Blake]

blake using name-calling to emphasize his lack of evidence

CC provided plenty of evidence to shit on his own post

[CosmicCowboy]

You beat that strawman down real good. He's not getting up after det one

Quoting the supreme court case that applies is hardly a strawman, cuckster.


The Court, quoting from a 1993 Supreme Court religious freedom case (Church of Lukumi Babalu v. City of Hialeah), found that “when individualized exemptions from a general requirement are available, the government may not refuse to extend that system to cases of religious hardship without compelling reasons.” The Court went on to hold that “a law is under inclusive, and thus not generally applicable, when it fails to prohibit secular activity that endangers the same interests to a similar or greater degree than the prohibited religious conduct.”

[CosmicCowboy]

CC provided plenty of evidence to shit on his own post

And you are still a dumbshit that can't read and understand simple english.