Creeping fascism in Portland?

[ChumpDumper]

If you cannot handle being nabbed by the secret police, perhaps socialism isn't for you.How active is the Danish secret police these days?

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/nnNmXHX/IMG-20200723-WA0006-1.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.ibb.co/nnNmXHX/IMG-20200723-WA0006-1.jpgIt's a shithole.

[FrostKing]

It's a shithole.
No trash. No protesters. Guessing no rap playing.

What America once was.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1286374274064945152?s=19

Weird.

[ChumpDumper]

No trash. No protesters. Guessing no rap playing.

What America once was.Russia's per capita GDP is less than that of Costa Rica.

[DMC]

https://i.ibb.co/nnNmXHX/IMG-20200723-WA0006-1.jpg

They advertise in English in Russia?

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/VtrZhdH/68255.jpg

[boutons_deux]

https://theintercept.imgix.net/wp-uploads/sites/1/2020/07/dornier-328.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&q=90&fit=crop&w=1440&h=720


AN AIR FORCE SPECIAL OPERATIONS SURVEILLANCE PLANE IS LURKING NEAR PORTLAND DURING FEDERAL CRACKDOWN

The plane, a DO-328 “Cougar,” was spotted via the open source flight tracking website (https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/) ADS-B Exchange, allowing the public to monitor its course. The Intercept reviewed this flight data (https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a87889), confirming tight, circular flights consistent with surveillance operations in and around Portland.

The aircraft is a twin-engine plane built in a modular fashion that allows it to be outfitted with long-range surveillance equipment suitable for supporting U.S. Special Operations commandos on the ground,

It was in Colorado earlier this month, looping over Denver and Boulder, before flying to Portland on July 19, and

has been circling above Portland and its suburbs since July 21, according to publicly available flight data aggregated by websites like ADS-B Exchange (https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a87889&lat=45.529&lon=-122.938&zoom=7.0&showTrace=2020-07-23).

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/23/air-force-surveillance-plane-portland-protests/ (https://theintercept.com/2020/07/23/air-force-surveillance-plane-portland-protests/)

[DMC]

How active is the Danish secret police these days?

It's a secret, how the fuck should I know?

[RandomGuy]

No trash. No protesters. Guessing no rap playing.

What America once was.

https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/article_1360/1d/f2ab0f26b83340318be64fb89dccf401.jpg

https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/article_1360/5f/233722cc4c8c44c495b2b2df0b39a9a8.jpg

https://englishrussia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/00s-2.jpg

No pictures of hazing Russian conscripts either...

Think that corruption doesn't leak into waste management? wow.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/jJ3VHv4/68286.jpg

Speaking of fascism.

2020 America, forced kneeling on television.

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.ibb.co/jJ3VHv4/68286.jpg

Speaking of fascism.

2020 America, forced kneeling on television.Who forced them?

[spurraider21]

Speaking of fascism.
a) nobody forced them, certainly not the state

b) like most people on this forum, apparently, you don't seem to really know what fascism is. even if this was a requirement, how would having people kneel during the anthem be any more fascistic than making it so students have to recite the pledge of allegiance every morning in school?

[FrostKing]

If they don't kneel then they will be branded racist and fired.

[FrostKing]

a) nobody forced them, certainly not the state

b) like most people on this forum, apparently, you don't seem to really know what fascism is. even if this was a requirement, how would having people kneel during the anthem be any more fascistic than making it so students have to recite the pledge of allegiance every morning in school?
Nazis forced a hand salute

America forces kneeling

[ChumpDumper]

If they don't kneel then they will be branded racist and fired.Do you feel persecuted?

[ChumpDumper]

Nazis forced a hand salute

America forces kneelingDo you really think that's the same?

[spurraider21]

Nazis forced a hand salute

America forces kneeling
america forces hand over heart during the anthem. is that fascism?

[RandomGuy]

If they don't kneel then they will be branded racist and fired.

Soo it wasn't fascism, it was capitalism. Got it.

[ElNono]

https://i.ibb.co/jJ3VHv4/68286.jpg

:lol this is the "owning the trumptards" moment

[spurraider21]

Soo it wasn't fascism, it was capitalism. Got it.
both of those naturally pave the way for strong hierarchy

[RandomGuy]

both of those naturally pave the way for strong hierarchy

true that.

[Winehole23]

great thread by a trauma doc on crowd control munitions

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[FrostKing]

So did they explain for they are kneeling for or against?

Actual genocide occurring in China or black entitlement in America?

[ChumpDumper]

So did they explain for they are kneeling for or against?

Actual genocide occurring in China or black entitlement in America?Man, it's really all over for you here.

[FrostKing]

Man, it's really all over for you here.
:lol

Off to Portland for re-education

[spurraider21]

:lol

Off to Portland for re-education
might need some re-education if you think fascism is "things i dont like"

[FrostKing]

might need some re-education if you think fascism is "things i dont like"
On a serious note I still wonder what made the Germans, Italians and Spainards fascist and other regimes such as Soviets and Japanese not so.

[spurraider21]

On a serious note I still wonder what made the Germans, Italians and Spainards fascist and other regimes such as Soviets and Japanese not so.
Japan was absolutely fascist until 1945. to this day japan is among the most racist states in the world.

i've gone through this exercise with derp before, but while fascism is sometimes generically used to describe authoritarian regimes bent on ultra-nationalism that suppresses its opposition (and opposes democratic liberalism, in favor of the populist "strongman" leader), Umberto Eco's 14 common features of fascism (something he developed in the 90s) is a very useful primer as well (scroll down a bit for the 14 points) http://www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html

the ultranationalism is usually the driving characteristic (fear and expelling/purging of "the other"... protectionist/isolationist economy)

[TSA]

:cry peaceful protesters :cry

https://mobile.twitter.com/Anna_Giaritelli/status/1286399046152859655

[DMC]

Japan was absolutely fascist until 1945. to this day japan is among the most racist states in the world.

i've gone through this exercise with derp before, but while fascism is sometimes generically used to describe authoritarian regimes bent on ultra-nationalism that suppresses its opposition (and opposes democratic liberalism, in favor of the populist "strongman" leader), Umberto Eco's 14 common features of fascism (something he developed in the 90s) is a very useful primer as well (scroll down a bit for the 14 points) http://www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html

the ultranationalism is usually the driving characteristic (fear and expelling/purging of "the other"... protectionist/isolationist economy)

Bite your tongue! The US should be more like Japan! Just look how low there gun homicide rate is!

[FrostKing]

Japan was absolutely fascist until 1945. to this day japan is among the most racist states in the world.

i've gone through this exercise with derp before, but while fascism is sometimes generically used to describe authoritarian regimes bent on ultra-nationalism that suppresses its opposition (and opposes democratic liberalism, in favor of the populist "strongman" leader), Umberto Eco's 14 common features of fascism (something he developed in the 90s) is a very useful primer as well (scroll down a bit for the 14 points) http://www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html

the ultranationalism is usually the driving characteristic (fear and expelling/purging of "the other"... protectionist/isolationist economy)
That makes sense and definitely applies to why Soviets don't count.

I love point #7. The obsession with a plot.

[spurraider21]

interesting that there isn't a single named source, including the DHS Official who sent the email. no photos or videos of the scene. none of the direct quotes say anything about the place being barricaded, though that was loosely attributed to some officials from the scene. also odd that in the same sentence protestors were boarding up the windows so nobody could escape, while also trying to break down the doors. a lot of confusion imo

[spurraider21]

Bite your tongue! The US should be more like Japan! Just look how low there gun homicide rate is!
there are good things we can learn from otherwise bad countries and vice versa

[ChumpDumper]

:cry peaceful protesters :cry

https://mobile.twitter.com/Anna_Giaritelli/status/1286399046152859655Honestly doesn't look like their trying to burn the courthouse itself. They're stupid but not that stupid.

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[ChumpDumper]

interesting that there isn't a single named source, including the DHS Official who sent the email. no photos or videos of the scene. none of the direct quotes say anything about the place being barricaded, though that was loosely attributed to some officials from the scene. also odd that in the same sentence protestors were boarding up the windows so nobody could escape, while also trying to break down the doors. a lot of confusion imoThe feds put up a barricade to keep the protesters out of the courthouse or at least from tagging it more.

When the protesters break it down they try to barricade the Feds inside the courthouse.

It's kind of reaching kabuki levels now.

[spurraider21]

The feds put up a barricade to keep the protesters out of the courthouse or at least from tagging it more.

When the protesters break it down they try to barricade the Feds inside the courthouse.

It's kind of reaching kabuki levels now.
thanks for clarification

[TSA]

interesting that there isn't a single named source, including the DHS Official who sent the email. no photos or videos of the scene. none of the direct quotes say anything about the place being barricaded, though that was loosely attributed to some officials from the scene. also odd that in the same sentence protestors were boarding up the windows so nobody could escape, while also trying to break down the doors. a lot of confusion imo

Yes it must be confusing for those trying to call these peaceful protests.

[spurraider21]

That makes sense and definitely applies to why Soviets don't count.

I love point #7. The obsession with a plot.
there is some overlap in that we've seen socialist states like USSR, and Maoist China also be authoritarian dictatorships. that's where people get the "horseshoe theory" from, where supposedly far left and far right lead to the same place.

but there's a pretty massive distinction between socialist and fascist economics and social policies. there's also nothing inherent in socialism that mandates authoritarianism, though that was Lenin's whole shtick. he basically took marxism and said the only way to get to a true socialist state (and eventually, a communist society) is to have a dictatorship "of the people" TAKE the power from the bourgeoisie, and he also called democracy obsolete because it gives the people a false dichotomy, choosing between different parties of the elites. the issue with the USSR is they never really got past that point, so it was just a totalitarian government through and through that was constantly suppressing opposition.

there are certainly parallels between the USSR and the european fascist states, but theres a good amount of nuance in there. the first half of the 20th century is truly fascinating to read about. i've been reading up on the era quite a bit the last few months, but more so from the political developments, less about the wars

[Spurminator]

Yes it must be confusing for those trying to call these peaceful protests.

Trump Volunteer PR Corp certainly has its talking points down.

[ElNono]

In before the "agitators from other states are flooding into Portland, that's why we needed to be heavy handed" narrative...

[spurraider21]

Yes it must be confusing for those trying to call these peaceful protests.
i dont think anybody has argued that there have been no violent aspects in any of the protests, particularly in portland.

escalation was a poor strategy all along

[spurraider21]

In before the "agitators from other states are flooding into Portland, that's why we needed to be heavy handed" narrative...
are you talking about the federal officers?

[ElNono]

are you talking about the federal officers?

well done. touche.

[ChumpDumper]

thanks for clarificationFrom the stuff I'm seeing it looks like after dark there are only a few dozen hardcore dipshits I would call active rioters. Mostly they're burning trash and some barricade material but there is no chance in hell the actual building will burn. If Barr really wanted to stop this he'd send the people slated to go to Chicago to round up the guys in the act. They seem really content to try reenacting the Alamo every night until election day.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol look at the difference between the still photo and the video in post #286 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286307&p=10203193&viewfull=1#post10203193).

The picture the Examiner and NY Post ran looks like they're in an active volcano.

[spurraider21]

btw, if everybody wants a good laugh, lets all look at this gem of a thread by ducks

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286371&p=10203081

[ChumpDumper]

btw, if everybody wants a good laugh, lets all look at this gem of a thread by ducks

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286371&p=10203081:lmao taters

[RandomGuy]

btw, if everybody wants a good laugh, lets all look at this gem of a thread by ducks

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286371&p=10203081

(cringe) Ow.

[Winehole23]

Russel Honore says that's a rent-a-cop

1286695929534386176 (https://twitter.com/ltgrusselhonore/status/1286695929534386176)

[Winehole23]

about fucking time

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[Spurtacular]

This is the sadness you get when you get a high functioning Blake as your mayor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFoTU_RIOEc

[RandomGuy]

In before the "agitators from other states are flooding into Portland, that's why we needed to be heavy handed" narrative...

ooh the outside agitator narrative. Nice one.

[ChumpDumper]

Saw a livestream of some dude right in the middle of it ;ast night. Like I said before there's a few dozen dead enders who still have a hard on for getting inside the fence of the courthouse for reasons. The feds actually dispersed them pretty easily when they came out from behind the fence and from another part of the building, moving them about a block and a half away. The feds quickly moved back and inexplicably left the fence unguarded so the dead enders got in and started a little trash fire. Then the feds came out with the gas, pepper and flash bangs all over again and put it out. It really looks like the feds are trying to maintain a level of conflict-- they could've just maintained a perimeter or at the very least had a detachment actually guard the fence.

[Winehole23]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scotland-us-exports-tear-gas-rubber-bullets-riot-shields-blm-protests-a9560586.html

[Splits]

btw, if everybody wants a good laugh, lets all look at this gem of a thread by ducks

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286371&p=10203081

surprised he knows how to post in 2 different forums

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/112568203_160840955578913_2438215915549628596_n.pn g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ZkaK7NVyMw4AX8dIzG7&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=83308a03a623ddb88743f2748d1bdc21&oe=5F40BF18

where are the Dems?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1286738108185292812?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1286738108185292812?s=19Did them a favor.

Trump's America....

[Winehole23]

Russel Honore says that's a rent-a-cop

1286695929534386176 (https://twitter.com/ltgrusselhonore/status/1286695929534386176)Tweet disappeared, enjoy this Just Security article



So the administration is trying out a new end run around the Posse Comitatus Act. The Department of Homeland Security has sent dozens of agents to Portland to “restore order,” against the will of Portland’s mayor and the governor of Oregon. The official justification for the deployment is to protect federal property, which federal law enforcement agencies may do with or without local authorities’ consent. But in less scripted moments, the president has blown this cover, repeatedly declaring that he’s sending the feds to do the job of local Democratic officials because those officials are doing it so badly. “You’re supposed to wait for them to call, but they don’t call,” he complained (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-roundtable-stakeholders-positively-impacted-law-enforcement/).

In any case, it’s fairly obvious that DHS agents aren’t in Portland simply to protect federal property or personnel. They’ve been recorded driving in areas far from any federal building and apprehending people who are not visibly engaged in any crime, let alone a federal one. In these cases, no charges are brought, no laws “enforced.” After holding the person for a short but terrifying period of time, the agents release them, leaving no record of the event. What they leave instead is a message of intimidation.

This isn’t the behavior of a law enforcement agency, state or federal. It’s the behavior of a lawless paramilitary force — and it’s no accident that President Trump chose DHS for the job. The department was conceived and structured as a quasi-military agency in the wake of 9/11. This origin story is reflected in its mission (which includes anti-terrorism, border security, and cybersecurity), the military-style weapons and gear it acquires directly from the defense industry, and even its inclusion of one branch of the armed forces (the Coast Guard).
https://www.justsecurity.org/71636/the-presidents-private-army/

[Winehole23]

Trump now waging literal war against mayors and governors he doesn't like.

Amazing.

[boutons_deux]

Why aren't we hearing JustSecurity and similar condemnations DAILY from Pelosi, Schumer, etc?

Another example of how the Dems, in their feckless silent complicity for 40+ years, are no better than the America-destroying Repugs.

Any MSM "opionators" allowed to sound off with JustSecurity type condemnation, accusation? Fuck no.

Advertising $Ms from BigCorp must be protected.

There is no peaceful solution for America's For The People, the fucked and unfuckable, from Sea to Shining Sea.

[Winehole23]

here's a bit about ZTI Security & Portland

https://www.thecourierdaily.com/zt1-zti-portland-homeland-security-patch-military/22980/

[Winehole23]

A manual for security guards produced by FPS includes an entire chapter on handling “civil disturbances,” such as the protests now occurring across the nation over racial injustice — sparked by the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis on May 25.“You may be required to take actions to control crowds during civil disturbances,” states the FPS private-contractor manual (http://leosuwashingtondc.weebly.com/uploads/4/5/9/8/45983437/federal-protective-service-security-guard-information-manual.pdf), published in 2008 and marked “For Official Use Only.” “You also may be required to assist law enforcement personnel during such situations.”


https://medium.com/@wkc6428/the-lead-federal-agency-responding-to-protesters-in-portland-employs-thousands-of-private-db137349f8b0

[leemajors]

https://medium.com/@wkc6428/the-lead-federal-agency-responding-to-protesters-in-portland-employs-thousands-of-private-db137349f8b0

yay Blackwater!

[Winehole23]

yay Blackwater!The war on terror came home, the cast of characters is similar on the blue team, US citizens are the red team. The various self-appointed ring wing militias seem to be the green team sometimes coordinate with police. Albuquerque is a great example:

https://www.lcsun-news.com/story/news/local/new-mexico/2020/07/14/new-mexico-protests-man-facing-new-charges-shooting-protesters/5432616002/

[FrostKing]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/112568203_160840955578913_2438215915549628596_n.pn g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ZkaK7NVyMw4AX8dIzG7&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=83308a03a623ddb88743f2748d1bdc21&oe=5F40BF18

where are the Dems?
"from our native land"

What's this jew on about.

[spurraider21]

1287172050830757889

[boutons_deux]

Apparently, Barr told Trash that Trash must not sent his Schutzstaffel into other cities

[DarrinS]

Portlanders really hate that courthouse

[ElNono]

Portlanders really hate that courthouse

Somehow I don't think it's the courthouse, it's more like they hate the feds being there.

[ChumpDumper]

Portlanders really hate that courthouseLike only fifty of them do the stupid shit.

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1286738108185292812?s=19

:lol Biden's America being filmed under Trump's America for our sake. GO TRUMP!

[spurraider21]

"peaceful protestors"

1287268286959255552

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1287441522456240130?s=19

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1287441522456240130?s=19

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1287284351776878592

:rollin

[spurraider21]

:lol he owned it too

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[FrostKing]

Reading Seattle outlets. The public has turned against the protest after buildings were set on fire.

[spurraider21]

Reading Seattle outlets. The public has turned against the protest after buildings were set on fire.
Targeting and damaging residential buildings is unconscionable and inexcusable

[ChumpDumper]

"peaceful protestors"

1287268286959255552the huge groups you see are peaceful. Then those guys go to bed and the dead enders start fucking with the fence every night which provokes the tear gas, pepper balls and flash bangs. They tore down a big section of fence last night which got the Portland police to respond and clear everyone out for a couple hours. Basically everything after midnight is bullshit and counterproductive for the protesters.

[Chris]

the huge groups you see are peaceful. Then those guys go to bed and the dead enders start fucking with the fence every night which provokes the tear gas, pepper balls and flash bangs. They tore down a big section of fence last night which got the Portland police to respond and clear everyone out for a couple hours. Basically everything after midnight is bullshit and counterproductive for the protesters.

link?

[FrostKing]

link?
For the most part he is correct. In general once the sun comes down the trouble makers come out.

[ChumpDumper]

link?There are multiple livestreams every night. I predict pretty much the same thing will happen tonight so just search for "Portland" on YouTube and filter for live. If you need the individual Facebook accounts of the streamers they are aggregating, that will take some work.

[Chris]

I don't have time to watch live streams and Disney cartoons.

I guess no link then.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs dubya/dickhead created DHS as Federal Police Force, Los Federales

Trump’s Dangerous Attempt to Create a Federal Police

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5f1b0eaa23bfb67959fba8d9/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Chotiner-Portland.jpg

the creation of D.H.S. gave the President vast new powers.

What the Administration is doing is finding this other way to go at it, which is through the protection of federal facilities and monuments.

And they do have legitimate authority to protect those facilities.

they still have to adhere to the Fourth Amendment and First Amendment protections and civil liberties, and so one area where we’ll probably see some legal activity has to do with potential civil-rights violations.

They cannot, in the course of carrying out their lawful function, violate people’s civil rights—that in itself would be a violation of federal law.

That’s different from sending officers or agents out into the streets of Portland to detain or arrest people.

So that’s where I think the boundaries of what they’re doing start to fall apart.

The purpose of the department was really to protect against terrorism.

over time, it fell into being the largest law-enforcement force in the country.

there are more than sixty thousand of them.

you layer on top of that two things.

One,

there are very, very weak internal controls within D.H.S. itself.

There’s no coördinating mechanism for oversight and accountability. Each agency component has its own different oversight functions, but there’s nobody coördinating that at the secretary level.

And then

you layer on top of that the high turnover in political appointees and

the President having gutted the Senate-confirmed leadership of that department.

And you end up with a politically malleable leadership willing to use this robust law-enforcement force and capacity.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/trumps-dangerous-attempt-to-create-a-federal-police

Thanks, Osama bin Laden!

[TSA]

"peaceful protestors"

1287268286959255552

Why are they wearing helmets and carrying shields?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't have time to watch live streams and Disney cartoons.

I guess no link then.:lol what is your understanding of what happens in Portland every night?

Fox News?:lmao

[spurraider21]

Why are they wearing helmets and carrying shields?
Violent law enforcement

[ChumpDumper]

Why are they wearing helmets and carrying shields?Even the people just documenting the events wear helmets and gas masks because they are routinely shot and gassed by the feds.

[DMC]

the huge groups you see are peaceful. Then those guys go to bed and the dead enders start fucking with the fence every night which provokes the tear gas, pepper balls and flash bangs. They tore down a big section of fence last night which got the Portland police to respond and clear everyone out for a couple hours. Basically everything after midnight is bullshit and counterproductive for the protesters.

"It's not us, it's them"

All came in the same bus

[DMC]

For the most part he is correct. In general once the sun comes down the trouble makers come out.

No way to know if they are the same people though. Insinuating they are completely separate groups is just cool narrative.

[ChumpDumper]

"It's not us, it's them"

All came in the same busNo.

[ChumpDumper]

No way to know if they are the same people though.I'm sure more than a few could be picked out by the equipment they are wearing or using. The feds are definitely keeping track so you can ask them.

Or post your cool narrative about spontaneous leaf blower generation, for example.

[FrostKing]

No way to know if they are the same people though. Insinuating they are completely separate groups is just cool narrative.
Ofcourse. Responsibility falls on the protesters to control their movement and thus perception

I checked out an Antifa reddit group and someone posted this exact caution. They were down voted and told they are part of the problem.

[boutons_deux]

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/1_luckovich_2.jpg?itok=CvYHSeZi

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/2_deering.jpg?itok=ulQInRHQ






https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/3_toles_3.jpg?itok=uWoHiQDH


https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/4_siers.png?itok=at-qH-PE

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/5_zyglis.png?itok=VDlgsu5D

[DMC]

No.

Prove it

[ChumpDumper]

Prove it:lol Prove your claim they all came on the same bus.

The hundred or so guys who come with the same shields and leaf blowers and helmets every night are different from the thousands who stand there until a little after sundown and leave.

It's so simple anyone can understand it.

[DMC]

I'm sure more than a few could be picked out by the equipment they are wearing or using. The feds are definitely keeping track so you can ask them.

Or post your cool narrative about spontaneous leaf blower generation, for example.

So it's impossible to return after dark with different equipment, and we can now ask the feds. Cool cop out after playing the "no true Scotsman" fallacy and subsequent red herring.

[ChumpDumper]

So it's impossible to return after dark with different equipment, and we can now ask the feds. Cool cop out after playing the "no true Scotsman" fallacy and subsequent red herring.Prove they all came on the same bus. Cool cop out abandoning your claim and demanding I prove a negative.

[DMC]

Prove they all came on the same bus. Cool cop out abandoning your claim and demanding I prove a negative.

You said no. You didn't say you doubted it or challenge me to provide any proof. Are you walking back your "no" claim?

[ChumpDumper]

You said no. You didn't say you doubted it or challenge me to provide any proof. Are you walking back your "no" claim?You failed to back up your "same bus" claim so I don't have to.

[boutons_deux]

Stephen Himmler Miller Says Feds Occupying Portland ‘Should Be Celebrated As Heroes’

https://cdn.talkingpointsmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/GettyImages-981547514-804x538.jpg

some of whom have been “proactively” (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/dhs-chief-says-his-federal-agents-are-proactively-arresting-people-in-portland) arresting nonviolent protesters, as brave soldiers on Thursday night.

"up against that lawless mob,” :lol the BRUTALITY and lawlessness coming from Trash's Schutzstaffel

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/stephen-miller-says-feds-occupying-portland-should-be-celebrated-as-heroes?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29 (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/stephen-miller-says-feds-occupying-portland-should-be-celebrated-as-heroes?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29)

[ElNono]

Why are they wearing helmets and carrying shields?

I mean, if they were carrying guns, it's A-OK because muh 2nd amendment, but helmets and shields not ok? :lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1287315687262707712?s=19

[spurraider21]

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[ChumpDumper]

1287552255307051008Not even his murderer said Foster shot his rifle.

Qhris needs to apologize.

[Chris]

he got released earlier today :lol

[ChumpDumper]

he got released earlier today :lolWhere's your apology?

[Chris]

Where's your apology?

Audio evidence > KVUE article

Sorry.

[ChumpDumper]

Audio evidence > KVUE article

Sorry.The chief of police said Foster never shot his rifle.

Apologize.

[FrostKing]

There were 2 guns discharged. Not necessarily Foster's

[Chris]

The chief of police said Foster never shot his rifle.

Apologize.

^what a snowflake :lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1287611730005069824?s=19

"graffiti"

Winehole23

[ElNono]

^what a snowflake :lol

look at this fake news coward calling other people snowflake :lol

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1287611730005069824?s=19

"graffiti"

Winehole23who's reaponsible for the abandoned bag and not doing anything with it? It's a piss poor terrorist who leaves ammo and bombs up for grabs.

[boutons_deux]

who's reaponsible for the abandoned bag and not doing anything with it? It's a piss poor terrorist who leaves ammo and bombs up for grabs.

more likely, the White Male Supremacists / "blood and soil" assholes, even the Feds themselves, left it there to sucker the Chris-es into condemning BLM even more.

[boutons_deux]

Meanwhile, in Loony Gohmert's Deep South racist region, Gohmert's opponent tries Freedom of Speech

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Tyler-texas-man-gets-choked-by-Trump-supporter.jpg

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/watch-texas-blue-lives-matter-rally-ends-with-democratic-campaign-manager-being-ed/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5060

[Winehole23]

"If they're in the park, grab them"

1287575085096800256 (https://twitter.com/ZachJoachim/status/1287575085096800256)

[DMC]

What would some of you do without twitter to regurgitate?

[Winehole23]

What would some of you do without twitter to regurgitate?Some people are allergic to information and twit others mindlessly about their sources, no matter how wide their palette is.

[Winehole23]

Newsworthy events are posted to twitter before they hit the front page, for better and for worse.

(shrugs)

[Winehole23]

DMC wants probable cause-free arrests to be about me RTing an eyewitness, as if doing so were not to the point, or intrinisically unreliable.

[Winehole23]

David Lapan is a former Trump DHS spokesman


While the core mission of DHS remains essentially unchanged, its roles and responsibilities have grown in response to various threats including cyber-attacks, election interference, drug smuggling and transnational criminal organizations. None of these threats appear to be present in Portland’s protests. So, at a minimum, whatever DHS is doing in Portland strays wildly from the reason DHS exists in the first place.

But it’s worse than just mission creep. DHS’s response to events in Portland represents at least seven elements that take key dangers of the militarized response to protest Americans witnessed in D.C. and attempt to launder them through the civilian apparatus of DHS. Each one is bad; taken together, they’re even worse:

1. Civil unrest in a U.S. city does not constitute a threat to the homeland and is outside the mission of the Department. DHS’s Federal Protective Service is charged with safeguarding federal property, like courthouses, but the employment of tactical units and their operations on streets increasingly far away from the federal buildings in Portland is questionable. Simply put, it’s just not clear how DHS’s mission includes whatever DHS is doing in Portland—which suggests DHS may be stretching, even overstepping, its authorities.

2. There was no request from state or local authorities for assistance. In fact, city and state leaders in Oregon have expressly said they don’t want DHS or federal forces operating as they have been in response to the protests. DHS operates in states, cities, and localities across the United States, normally in close coordination with local authorities. The aggressive DHS response in Portland is both unwanted and unwarranted, and it puts in jeopardy the cooperation with local authorities nationwide that is essential to DHS fulfilling its actual mission.

3. The wearing of military-style uniforms and equipment creates the appearance of an armed military response to civil unrest—a tactic more common to authoritarian regimes than to healthy democracies. The Secretary of Defense has expressed (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/21/esper-federal-agents-military-protests-376381) his concerns over this appearance, and several retired military leaders have spoken out against military involvement, or the appearance of it, in law enforcement actions against U.S. citizens whose activities constitute civil unrest, not anything close to a true homeland security threat such as rebellion or civil war.

4. The bellicose rhetoric from DHS’s senior officials has further inflamed the situation, rather than trying to defuse it. In addition, the heavy-handed federal response has worsened the situation and fomented even larger protests. It simply can’t be good for DHS or the country for DHS to be making matters in Portland worse rather than better.

5. President Trump’s rhetoric has been overtly partisan and political, focusing his ire on states and cities he labels as “Democrat” or “Radical Left.” The president’s words clearly politicize DHS’s response. DHS is a federal agency which serves all of the American people, regardless of party affiliation. To have DHS so closely tied to a partisan project tarnishes the department and risks its ability to earn public trust in the future.

6. The administration has a trust deficit and lacks credibility, so DHS’s defense of its actions are colored by mistrust. Even if DHS’s actions are within its authorities – and there remain valid questions about exceeding its authority – the Department’s words and deeds are often viewed with suspicion. That’s unhealthy for the situation in Portland; and it’s unhealthy for DHS in the myriad ways the department interacts with Americans (and others) each day across the country.

7. DHS has acting officials at senior levels throughout the organization, which calls into question decision-making that appears to be politically, rather than operationally, driven. The president has also made it clear (https://www.justsecurity.org/64197/trumps-preference-for-acting-officials-puts-national-security-at-risk/) he prefers “actings” so he can exert more control over them. Acting officials must be more concerned with pleasing the president in order to keep their jobs, and the two most senior DHS officials are seen to be behaving that way.
https://www.justsecurity.org/71696/former-dhs-and-defense-dept-spokesperson-trumps-response-to-civil-unrest-in-portland-is-damaging-to-our-government-and-our-democracy/

[spurraider21]

There were 2 guns discharged. Not necessarily Foster's
you can take out the word "necessarily"

if his gun had been shot there would be physical evidence of that. police wouldnt just rule it out unless they had reason to

[spurraider21]

:lmao

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[ChumpDumper]

"If they're in the park, grab them"

1287575085096800256 (https://twitter.com/ZachJoachim/status/1287575085096800256)I think the city should at least impose a curfew on the parks if not totally close them off for a week or so. These arrests happen because the dead enders keep fucking with the fence at the courthouse. the Portland police waited until they declared a riot on Saturday night/Sunday morning to get involved and it was a fucking disaster. The stuff you tweeted from last night happened a lot earlier as their orders appear to be to intervene as soon as the dead enders start in on the fence and more aggressively meaning they actually arrest people. The end result was ending the bad shit a lot earlier. It's never going to end if they don't clear out the village in the park.

[Winehole23]

I think the city should at least impose a curfew on the parks if not totally close them off for a week or so. These arrests happen because the dead enders keep fucking with the fence at the courthouse. the Portland police waited until they declared a riot on Saturday night/Sunday morning to get involved and it was a fucking disaster. The stuff you tweeted from last night happened a lot earlier as their orders appear to be to intervene as soon as the dead enders start in on the fence and more aggressively meaning they actually arrest people. The end result was ending the bad shit a lot earlier. It's never going to end if they don't clear out the village in the park.Due process free arrests could clear the streets and quieten things down a lot.

DHS getting out Portland could do the same thing without violating anyone's rights.

[ChumpDumper]

Due process free arrests could clear the streets and quieten things down a lot.Fucking with the fence and trespassing inside it are the precipitating acts. I guess you can argue each individual arrest but generally speaking they aren't unprovoked.


DHS getting out Portland could do the same thing without violating anyone's rights.Doubtful at this point. The courthouse isn't going anywhere and I think the dead enders would still attack it if the quasimilitary federal force was removed.

[TSA]

peaceful protester shooting peaceful protesters :lol

https://twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1287778625786347521

[ChumpDumper]

:lol shooting people is funny!

[spurraider21]

they got their talking points amirite Chris?

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[FrostKing]

peaceful protester shooting peaceful protesters :lol

https://twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1287778625786347521
So much white trash

[Winehole23]

Fucking with the fence and trespassing inside it are the precipitating acts. I guess you can argue each individual arrest but generally speaking they aren't unprovoked.

Doubtful at this point. The courthouse isn't going anywhere and I think the dead enders would still attack it if the quasimilitary federal force was removed.

The martial bravery of civil disobedience means facing consequences for breaking the law. I've no problem with arrests for protesters so long as the probable cause is bona fide, particularized, and detainees get to see a magistrate promptly.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol shooting people is funny!

it is when a moron shoots an idiot. If it was a bubba shooting a jim bob while attending a rally you'd be laughing your ass off

[Trainwreck2100]

The martial bravery of civil disobedience means facing consequences for breaking the law. I've no problem with arrests for protesters so long as the probable cause is bona fide, particularized, and detainees get to see a magistrate promptly.

this is what some of these dumbasses don't understand, you can't be arrested for protesting, but that doesn't give you the right to trespass and vandalize, those are still crimes and you should get arrested.

[ChumpDumper]

The martial bravery of civil disobedience means facing consequences for breaking the law. I've no problem with arrests for protesters so long as the probable cause is bona fide, particularized, and detainees get to see a magistrate promptly.Agreed on most of that. I don't find the dead enders to be particularly brave tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

it is when a moron shoots an idiot. If it was a bubba shooting a jim bob while attending a rally you'd be laughing your ass offNot really. I find the increasing presence and use of guns at these events very concerning. I might chuckle if someone shoots himself.

[DarrinS]

Two solid months of this bullshit. Smh

[ChumpDumper]

Yep, all the feds have to do is stand out in front of the fence a few nights and it will die down quite a bit.

[Winehole23]

Two solid months of this bullshit. SmhFree speech, free assembly and the right to petition, go figure. Sorry you got bored

Maybe leaning into LAW AND ORDER! to quell protests about police brutality isn't a winning strategy

[Chris]

Yep, all the feds have to do is stand out in front of the fence a few nights and it will die down quite a bit.

Stand out in front of the fence so they can get attacked by loony Leftists :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Stand out in front of the fence so they can get attacked by loony Leftists :lolThey don't attack the feds when they come out from behind the fence.

:lol you really don't know anything.

Poor ignorant fella.

[DMC]

The martial bravery of civil disobedience means facing consequences for breaking the law. I've no problem with arrests for protesters so long as the probable cause is bona fide, particularized, and detainees get to see a magistrate promptly.

You're so full of shit :lol

[DMC]

:lol shooting people is funny!

White people :lol

[Chris]

They don't attack the feds when they come out from behind the fence.

:lol you really don't know anything.

Poor ignorant fella.

link?

[DarrinS]

Free speech, free assembly and the right to petition, go figure. Sorry you got bored

Maybe leaning into LAW AND ORDER! to quell protests about police brutality isn't a winning strategy

Virtue signal received

[ChumpDumper]

link?youtube.com

Search for "Portland"-- filter for live channels.

Watch.

[Chris]

Law and order is negotiable for Winehole depending on the optics and stakes.

[Chris]

youtube.com

Search for "Portland"-- filter for live channels.

Watch.

*Chump folds

[Winehole23]

this is what some of these dumbasses don't understand, you can't be arrested for protesting, but that doesn't give you the right to trespass and vandalize, those are still crimes and you should get arrested.Sure.

I don't think anyone ITT has said anyone has the right to break laws without consequence.The question is whether LE can enforce laws without making itself look worse in a country that looks favorably on BLM and police reform

[ChumpDumper]

*Chump foldshttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=portland&sp=EgJAAQ%253D%253D

:lol helpless Qhris

[Winehole23]

So far, LE tactics seem to be backfiring. Trump is trailing in the suburbs.

[Chris]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=portland&sp=EgJAAQ%253D%253D

:lol helpless Qhris

This does nothing to prove your fence theory.

No offense, but you kind of suck at this.

[ChumpDumper]

This does nothing to prove your fence theory.

No offense, but you kind of suck at this.You actually have to watch, Qhris.

"Live" means it's happening right now.

No offense, but are you mentally challenged?

[Chris]

You actually have to watch, Qhris.

"Live" means it's happening right now.

No offense, but are you mentally challenged?

I should have put no offense in bold.

Again , I'm sorry for offending you.

If you find anything relevant to back up your fence theory lmk :tu

[ChumpDumper]

I should have put no offense in bold.

Again , I'm sorry for offending you.

If you find anything relevant to back up your fence theory lmk :tuYeah, zero reports of any feds being attacked like you claim in Portland for two months.

:lmao scared, gullible, challenged Qhris.

No offense.

[Winehole23]

You're so full of shit :lolIt's not about me.

Risking personal liberty for ones ideals and one's fellows answers to bravery for me. So does standing up in front of riot cops to protect others like the wall of moms, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

One of the live feeds I watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQgKsEYpi_Y

[diego]

Free speech, free assembly and the right to petition, go figure. Sorry you got bored

Maybe leaning into LAW AND ORDER! to quell protests about police brutality isn't a winning strategy

here in Chile its very easy to frame everything in the context of the dictatorship, the entire legal and police framework is still basically the one imposed by the dictatorship and a lot of youths, even if they didnt personally live through it, can still easily identify the same "enemy" and on historic dates skirmishes come like clockwork, police go out and "guard" some symbolic corner and basically go at it with LARPers as chump calls them.. but i think this kind of massive demonstration like you are seeing in portland, it clearly goes beyond larpers and dead enders, people from the sidelines see abuse and join in and it basically picks up more and more steam as police repression gets worse. i dont know if any country has really figured out a way to pacify this kind of situation, repression is the norm. probably the only effective measure is to avoid these levels of discontent. anybody have any clues why this is happening in portland / seattle and not really anywhere else in the US?

[spurraider21]

yep, increased law enforcement activity, particularly from feds, only escalates things and the protests grow bigger.

obviously not the same thing, but somewhat analogous to the NFL kneeling protests which only became widespread/league-wide after trump started weighing in

[Winehole23]

here in Chile its very easy to frame everything in the context of the dictatorship, the entire legal and police framework is still basically the one imposed by the dictatorship and a lot of youths, even if they didnt personally live through it, can still easily identify the same "enemy" and on historic dates skirmishes come like clockwork, police go out and "guard" some symbolic corner and basically go at it with LARPers as chump calls them.. but i think this kind of massive demonstration like you are seeing in portland, it clearly goes beyond larpers and dead enders, people from the sidelines see abuse and join in and it basically picks up more and more steam as police repression gets worse. i dont know if any country has really figured out a way to pacify this kind of situation, repression is the norm. probably the only effective measure is to avoid these levels of discontent. anybody have any clues why this is happening in portland / seattle and not really anywhere else in the US?There seems to be more radical organizing in those two cities for some reason. A target rich environment for Trump's LE agitprop, perhaps.

I think millions of people out of work has something to do with it. If there's no extension of the rent moratorium and UI gets cut by 60%, I expect it to be even worse when millions more get evicted during the next few months.

The rallies were dwindling when DHS arrived, look at them now. Trump is egging on the resistance to Trump and teasing resentment of LE. He's also breaking comity and cooperation with cities and states by sending LE without any invitation or coordination. Not sure where DHS will go to get its reputation back after this cynical stunt.

[ChumpDumper]

Portland definitely has been a hotspot for this kind of activity for the right and left for years -- mostly dateless young males doing mostly symbolic bullshit that means nothing until someone gets hurt every few months and it trends on Twitter. They're the guys who stick around and fuck with the fence after the hundreds of rational protesters with jobs go home to catch Fallon.

That fence ain't going anywhere now. Jersey barriers on both sides.

[spurraider21]

:lmao militants armed with pebbles

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[Winehole23]

That fence ain't going anywhere now. Jersey barriers on both sides.Took em long enough to harden their perimeter, jeez.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao militants armed with pebbles

1287658927904051201Might be some pepper balls that didn't blow.

We'll see how long it takes them to get gassed tonight. The feds shoot it in between the fence and the inner jersey barrier so they can't pick it up anymore. Leaf blowers still work.

[ChumpDumper]

Ooh, someone tell TSA a massive (tiny) fire was set inside the fence!

[Chris]

They don't attack the feds

[ChumpDumper]

:cry

See for yourself, pussy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mkEWTG9OXk

[Chris]

:cry muh livestreams :cry

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Qhris can't even take the spoon feeding he demanded.

Stick to your secret lists, I guess....:lol

[spurraider21]

trump getting his daily portland briefing like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx2SSzWXG7U

[ElNono]

yep, increased law enforcement activity, particularly from feds, only escalates things and the protests grow bigger.

obviously not the same thing, but somewhat analogous to the NFL kneeling protests which only became widespread/league-wide after trump started weighing in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

[Chris]

They don't attack the feds


https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1287412548585820161?s=19

[Winehole23]

^^^ magpie Chris

[spurraider21]

ben garrison circa 1964

https://i.redd.it/yo7bn0gu2kd51.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1287412548585820161?s=19Why do you lie about what I said?

Post the whole quote, pussy.

[ElNono]

Looks like Trump's federal intervention is a failure...

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1287895193103015937

:lol @ this thread

[ChumpDumper]

They are peaceful with hundreds, even thousands of people until Fallon, then a few dead enders do their Kabuki play until the Feds get enough overtime and clear them out for realsies.

:lol TSA believes literally anything right wing social media says.

[Winehole23]

DHS withdraws from WA.

Good riddance to smelly garbage.

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[Winehole23]

Free speech restrictions are being used as a condition of release for petty misdemeanors in Portland.


Federal authorities are using a new tactic in their battle against protesters in Portland, Oregon: arrest them on offenses as minor as “failing to obey” an order to get off a sidewalk on federal property — and then tell them they can’t protest anymore as a condition for release from jail.


https://www.propublica.org/article/defendant-shall-not-attend-protests-in-portland-getting-out-of-jail-requires-relinquishing-constitutional-rights

[spurraider21]

furiously masturbating to the police state

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[ChumpDumper]

furiously masturbating to the police state

1288055031913046016:lol "brutalizing"

[spurraider21]

Portland issues ‘maximum fine’ on feds for unpermitted fence outside courthouse; bill is $192,000 ‘and counting’ (https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/07/portland-issues-maximum-fine-on-feds-for-unpermitted-fence-outside-courthouse-bill-is-192000-and-counting.html#:~:text=Portland%20Commissioner%20Ch loe%20Eudaly%20said,lane%20on%20Southwest%20Third% 20Avenue.)

[TSA]

Portland issues ‘maximum fine’ on feds for unpermitted fence outside courthouse; bill is $192,000 ‘and counting’ (https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/07/portland-issues-maximum-fine-on-feds-for-unpermitted-fence-outside-courthouse-bill-is-192000-and-counting.html#:~:text=Portland%20Commissioner%20Ch loe%20Eudaly%20said,lane%20on%20Southwest%20Third% 20Avenue.)

“She also described the forces at the (Federal) courthouse as “federal occupiers.” :lol

[FrostKing]

This reminds me of the 2015 Migrant Crisis in Europe. The resources were there to stop it but leadership lacked will.

[diego]

There seems to be more radical organizing in those two cities for some reason. A target rich environment for Trump's LE agitprop, perhaps.

I think millions of people out of work has something to do with it. If there's no extension of the rent moratorium and UI gets cut by 60%, I expect it to be even worse when millions more get evicted during the next few months.

The rallies were dwindling when DHS arrived, look at them now. Trump is egging on the resistance to Trump and teasing resentment of LE. He's also breaking comity and cooperation with cities and states by sending LE without any invitation or coordination. Not sure where DHS will go to get its reputation back after this cynical stunt.

Obviously the economic crisis is a big factor in this, no entertainment as well, but those seem like national factors more than local ones. Also hard to believe Portland has a uniquely excessive dateless male population just waiting for trouble. Seems there must be local orgs that jumped on the floyd outrage and subsequent police repression, I would have expected this escalation in Atlanta and baltimore before Portland or Seattle...

[Winehole23]

Obviously the economic crisis is a big factor in this, no entertainment as well, but those seem like national factors more than local ones. Also hard to believe Portland has a uniquely excessive dateless male population just waiting for trouble. Seems there must be local orgs that jumped on the floyd outrage and subsequent police repression, I would have expected this escalation in Atlanta and baltimore before Portland or Seattle...Why?

Not saying you're wrong, my intuition runs the other way. George HW Bush used to call Portland "little Beirut". Do you recall the 1999 G-7 riots in Seattle?

[spurraider21]

Why?

Not saying you're wrong, my intuition runs the other way. George HW Bush used to call Portland "little Beirut". Do you recall the 1999 G-7 riots in Seattle?
more black people

[ElNono]

Free speech restrictions are being used as a condition of release for petty misdemeanors in Portland.

https://www.propublica.org/article/defendant-shall-not-attend-protests-in-portland-getting-out-of-jail-requires-relinquishing-constitutional-rights

Was reading this earlier... shameful, and likely illegal too. But until it makes it through the courts, they'll try to get away with it.

[DarrinS]

more black people

Portland is one of the whitest cities in the US.

[Winehole23]

more black peopleah yes, of course.

[Winehole23]

Portland is one of the whitest cities in the US.diego was saying he expected more radicalism in Atlanta and Baltimore than Portland and Seattle.

[DarrinS]

diego was saying he expected more radicalism in Atlanta and Baltimore than Portland and Seattle.

My bad. Evidently, the more violent riots were in very white "progressive" cities.

[ChumpDumper]

They're pretty boring and rote now that the fence has been reinforced.

That talking point is going away. Enjoy it while you can.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Department of Fatherland Security has been targeting journalists and legal observers in Portland.


Lawyers for the journalists and legal observers are asking Simon (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7008897/7-28-20-Index-Newspapers-Contempt-Motion.pdf) to hold the US Department of Homeland Security and the US Marshals Service in contempt of court. They want Simon to prohibit any federal agent who violates the temporary restraining order (TRO) from being involved in "armed operations" in Oregon; to consider a "complete ban" on the use of lethal or "less lethal" weapons by federal officers; and to order senior Trump administration officials, including acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf and senior DHS official Ken Cuccinelli, to appear in court and explain why they shouldn't face sanctions.


"Every day it has existed, federal agents have intentionally violated the Court’s TRO. As a result of the federal agents’ defiance of the Court’s order, the free press remains unsafe while trying to document and observe the cataclysmic violence that federal authorities are inflicting on Portland. The federal agents — and their commanders, whom the Court ordered to be notified of the TRO — are not above the law," lawyers representing the journalists and legal observers wrote.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/federal-officers-shoot-mace-reporters-portland-lawsuit

[Winehole23]

Blast from the past, Seattle related. The fascism we're seeing now isn't peculiar to Trump, his two predecessors greased the skids.



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[ElNono]

NYPD getting in on the action...

Video Shows Protester Being Pulled Into Unmarked NYPD Warrants Squad Van

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/07/29/video-shows-protester-being-pulled-into-unmarked-van-by-nypd

[spurraider21]

Blast from the past, Seattle related. The fascism we're seeing now isn't peculiar to Trump, his two predecessors greased the skids.



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that was bad, but the two kids, as i recall, who were detained, were held on contempt charges for refusing to testify before a grand jury

[Winehole23]

that was bad, but the two kids, as i recall, who were detained, were held on contempt charges for refusing to testify before a grand juryYeah, that's right. This was not long after Obama's nationwide crackdown on the Occupy movement. DHS was heavily involved in that violent crackdown on peaceful Americans, too.

http://www.justiceonline.org/fbi_files_ows

[diego]

diego was saying he expected more radicalism in Atlanta and Baltimore than Portland and Seattle.

i knew someone would take it as racist but yeah i would expect if the genesis of the protests is systemic racism and police brutality that cities with large black populations and history of racism would have both more organized activity and lawlessness than northwestern cities that seem to be literally at the other end of the country.

[Winehole23]

i knew someone would take it as racist but yeah i would expect if the genesis of the protests is systemic racism and police brutality that cities with large black populations and history of racism would have both more organized activity and lawlessness than northwestern cities that seem to be literally at the other end of the country.It's a plausible inference, but it doesn't seem to apply in this case. Given the history of racist policing in the USA, deliberately provoking LE wearing riot gear and setting trash fires in front of a Federal courthouse might be more of a white people thing.

[Winehole23]

Jacobin is right, this crackdown is a culmination rather than something brand new.


What’s happening in Portland, then, is the continuation of a long trend — activists were snatched off the streets by quasi-military cops under Bush and Obama, too. And if history is any guide, that kind of repression won’t automatically end with Trump’s removal either.https://jacobinmag.com/2020/07/portland-military-policing-blm-protests

[spurraider21]

1288209309575385090

[spurraider21]

1288210618772860928

[leemajors]

Portland is one of the whitest cities in the US.

That might have a little bit to do with their history, and Oregons history in general. Are you familiar with it?

[Winehole23]

DHS to pull out of Portland.


The Trump administration has agreed to withdraw federal officers from Portland (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/federal-officers-shoot-mace-reporters-portland-lawsuit), Oregon, officials announced Wednesday, following weeks of controversy about their presence in the city.
But the announcement came shortly after the Justice Department said they would send agents to Cleveland, Detroit, and Milwaukee (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/operation-legend-expanded-cleveland-detroit-and-milwaukee) in what they described as a bid to fight violent crime...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/federal-officers-leaving-portland-heading-to-detroit

[spurraider21]

wow

1288497308733018113

1288510427807326209

[Trill Clinton]

NYPD getting in on the action...

Video Shows Protester Being Pulled Into Unmarked NYPD Warrants Squad Van

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/07/29/video-shows-protester-being-pulled-into-unmarked-van-by-nypd

Avante ready to get in on the action and try this at skate parks.

[ElNono]

Federal officers targeted journalists despite court order, ACLU says

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Militarized U.S. agents in Portland have continued to attack journalists and legal observers with riot-control munitions, despite a federal court order for them to stop, the ACLU of Oregon told the court Tuesday.

Last week, the U.S. District Court in Portland — located in the same federal court building that has been the focus of protests — temporarily blocked federal officers from targeting journalists and legal observers at the protests.

In a motion, the ACLU asked the court Tuesday to sanction and hold in contempt federal agents with the Department of Homeland Security and U.S. Marshals Service for violating the temporary restraining order. It also asked the court to order Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf and Acting Under Secretary Ken Cuccinelli to personally appear and show why they should not be sanctioned for contempt.

https://katu.com/news/local/federal-officers-targeted-journalists-despite-court-order-aclu-says

[ElNono]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeHRnZrUYAAHmWq?format=jpg&name=small

:lmao

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/OregonGovBrown/status/1288497309848702977?s=19
https://twitter.com/DHS_Wolf/status/1288510427807326209?s=19


You hate to see it :lol

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/OregonGovBrown/status/1288497309848702977?s=19
https://twitter.com/DHS_Wolf/status/1288510427807326209?s=19


You hate to see it :lol
Trump's crackdown backfired.

I'm sure you hate to see it.

[Chris]

Trump's crackdown backfired.

I'm sure you hate to see it.

How did it backfire?

[Winehole23]

How did it backfire?Failed to quell protests, pissed off a US state, brought disgrace on Trump and the DHS.

[Chucho]

Failed to quell protests, pissed off a US state, brought disgrace on Trump and the DHS.

Meh, Oregon already hated him. Those protests were going to increase based on what's going on and the DHS and his administration can hardly be further disgraced.

So...unsure if a backfire so much as "of course this happened".

[Chris]

Failed to quell protests, pissed off a US state, brought disgrace on Trump and the DHS.

This sounds like hyperbole. Should he have firebombed the protestors? (hyperbole)

[DMC]

This sounds like hyperbole. Should he have firebombed the protestors? (hyperbole)

Fuckhole using hyperbole? Never

[boutons_deux]

Ex-border agent:

Special unit sent to Oregon among 'most violent and racist in all law enforcement'

The unidentified Customs and Border Protection (CBP) special tactical agents ...

are wholly untrained (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us/portland-protests.html) in how to properly deal with large demonstrations and

a former senior Border Patrol agent turned whistleblower calls (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/27/trump-border-patrol-troops-portland-bortac)

the Border Patrol Tactical Unit, or BORTAC, among “the most violent and racist in all law enforcement”.

“Racism has plagued the institution for decades,”

when she signed up for service in 1995 her Spanish instructor blithely informed her that Latino migrants were referenced within the agency as ‘tonks’ and ‘wetbacks.’”

agents have pleaded guilty (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/28/1881955/-For-second-time-this-month-Border-Patrol-agent-pleads-guilty-to-assaulting-migrant-while-on-duty) to assaulting migrants while on duty.

One agent called (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/21/1859301/-Border-agent-who-hit-man-with-truck-had-called-migrants-disgusting-subhuman-sh-just-weeks-before) migrants “disgusting subhuman shit unworthy of being kindling for a fire”

the tactical unit, which is trained for high-risk missions and usually conducts operations along the border targeting smugglers and criminal organizations,

shouldn’t be responding to a matter of civil dissent in a major city far from any national border,”

BORTAC is more than happy to do it, because like the impeached president,

the unit’s agents view themselves as above the law—and act like it.

“That strain of extra-judicial aggression runs through everything Bortac does

“[t]hey view people they encounter in the military sense as enemy combatants, meaning they have virtually no rights.”

“They don’t do normal vehicle stops.

They will rip drivers from their seat,
throw him against the side,
put him in handcuffs —

the same tactics you are now seeing Bortac agents use in Portland.”

Border Patrol in particular “has spent decades waiting quietly in the wings,

stocking up on weapons and nearly tripling in size since 2001.

Waiting for that moment when a president would fully activate these extraordinary powers to do his/her bidding. That moment is here.”

“This agency is bloated, overfunded, and it operates with impunity.

“The difference here is, this time they implemented their tactics openly and

under the protection of an authoritarian president,”

“If this is what they do to mostly white U.S. citizens in front of the media,

imagine what they are doing to people in their custody,

to people who are seeking refuge in isolated parts of the border.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/29/1964871/-Ex-border-agent-Special-unit-sent-to-Oregon-among-most-violent-and-racist-in-all-law-enforcement?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/29/1964871/-Ex-border-agent-Special-unit-sent-to-Oregon-among-most-violent-and-racist-in-all-law-enforcement?detail=emaildkre)

The Repug's DHS? It's how Repugs fuck der Heimat and Americans.

[FrostKing]

Ex-border agent:

Special unit sent to Oregon among 'most violent and racist in all law enforcement'

The unidentified Customs and Border Protection (CBP) special tactical agents ...

are wholly untrained (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us/portland-protests.html) in how to properly deal with large demonstrations and

a former senior Border Patrol agent turned whistleblower calls (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/27/trump-border-patrol-troops-portland-bortac)

the Border Patrol Tactical Unit, or BORTAC, among “the most violent and racist in all law enforcement”.

“Racism has plagued the institution for decades,”

when she signed up for service in 1995 her Spanish instructor blithely informed her that Latino migrants were referenced within the agency as ‘tonks’ and ‘wetbacks.’”

agents have pleaded guilty (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/28/1881955/-For-second-time-this-month-Border-Patrol-agent-pleads-guilty-to-assaulting-migrant-while-on-duty) to assaulting migrants while on duty.

One agent called (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/21/1859301/-Border-agent-who-hit-man-with-truck-had-called-migrants-disgusting-subhuman-sh-just-weeks-before) migrants “disgusting subhuman shit unworthy of being kindling for a fire”

the tactical unit, which is trained for high-risk missions and usually conducts operations along the border targeting smugglers and criminal organizations,

shouldn’t be responding to a matter of civil dissent in a major city far from any national border,”

BORTAC is more than happy to do it, because like the impeached president,

the unit’s agents view themselves as above the law—and act like it.

“That strain of extra-judicial aggression runs through everything Bortac does

“[t]hey view people they encounter in the military sense as enemy combatants, meaning they have virtually no rights.”

“They don’t do normal vehicle stops.

They will rip drivers from their seat,
throw him against the side,
put him in handcuffs —

the same tactics you are now seeing Bortac agents use in Portland.”

Border Patrol in particular “has spent decades waiting quietly in the wings,

stocking up on weapons and nearly tripling in size since 2001.

Waiting for that moment when a president would fully activate these extraordinary powers to do his/her bidding. That moment is here.”

“This agency is bloated, overfunded, and it operates with impunity.

“The difference here is, this time they implemented their tactics openly and

under the protection of an authoritarian president,”

“If this is what they do to mostly white U.S. citizens in front of the media,

imagine what they are doing to people in their custody,

to people who are seeking refuge in isolated parts of the border.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/29/1964871/-Ex-border-agent-Special-unit-sent-to-Oregon-among-most-violent-and-racist-in-all-law-enforcement?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/29/1964871/-Ex-border-agent-Special-unit-sent-to-Oregon-among-most-violent-and-racist-in-all-law-enforcement?detail=emaildkre)

The Repug's DHS? It's how Repugs fuck der Heimat and Americans.



"racism"

:sleep

[ElNono]

WILD WAPO STORY … SHANE HARRIS: “DHS compiled ‘intelligence reports’ on journalists who published leaked documents” (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/dhs-compiled-intelligence-reports-on-journalists-who-published-leaked-documents/2020/07/30/5be5ec9e-d25b-11ea-9038-af089b63ac21_story.html): “The Department of Homeland Security has compiled ‘intelligence reports’ about the work of American journalists covering protests in Portland, Ore., in what current and former officials called an alarming use of a government system meant to share information about suspected terrorists and violent actors.


“Over the past week, the department’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis has disseminated three Open Source Intelligence Reports to federal law enforcement agencies and others, summarizing tweets written by two journalists — a reporter for the New York Times and the editor in chief of the blog Lawfare — and noting they had published leaked, unclassified documents about DHS operations in Portland. The intelligence reports, obtained by The Washington Post, include written descriptions and images of the tweets and the number of times they had been liked or retweeted by others.


“After The Post published a story online Thursday evening detailing the department’s practices, the acting homeland security secretary, Chad Wolf, ordered the intelligence office to stop collecting information on journalists and announced an investigation into the matter.”

from: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2020/07/31/inside-the-white-house-congress-relief-talks-489942

[boutons_deux]

"acting :lol

homeland security secretary, Chad Wolf,

ordered :lol the intelligence office to stop collecting information on journalists :lol

and announced an investigation into the matter.” :lol

And that's the last we will ever hear about DHS Repug Schutzstaffel targeting journalists.

I want BlueLeaks, in totality, splashed over every fucking media, channel, column

[RandomGuy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeHRnZrUYAAHmWq?format=jpg&name=small

:lmao

:lol

Low.

[RandomGuy]

Trump ordered federal forces to quell Portland protests. But the chaos ended as soon as they left.
PORTLAND, Ore. — After President Trump ordered federal law enforcement officers into Portland, Ore., earlier this month, the protests largely ended the same way for days: with tear gas, rubber bullets and arrests.

On Thursday, the first protest held since the federal agencies agreed to pull back their officers was a markedly more peaceful affair.

As the Black Lives Matter-inspired vigil wound down early Friday morning, there was virtually no sign of the Oregon State Police officers who had taken over protection of the federal buildings at the center of the protests.

......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/31/portland-protests-federal-calm/

[tlongII]

:rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Trump ordered federal forces to quell Portland protests. But the chaos ended as soon as they left.
PORTLAND, Ore. — After President Trump ordered federal law enforcement officers into Portland, Ore., earlier this month, the protests largely ended the same way for days: with tear gas, rubber bullets and arrests.

On Thursday, the first protest held since the federal agencies agreed to pull back their officers was a markedly more peaceful affair.

As the Black Lives Matter-inspired vigil wound down early Friday morning, there was virtually no sign of the Oregon State Police officers who had taken over protection of the federal buildings at the center of the protests.

......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/31/portland-protests-federal-calm/Got to see how the weekend goes tbh.

[RandomGuy]

Got to see how the weekend goes tbh.

Eyup.

I think though, defusing the situation will hold. The paradox of counterinsurgency is that more force... gets more blowback.

Dunno. We will see.

[Winehole23]

This sounds like hyperbole. Should he have firebombed the protestors? (hyperbole)What hyperbole? The crackdown failed and Trump disgraced himself again.

The assistance of executive branch myrmidons to suppress fireworks, graffiti and brickbats wasn't requested in first place, my position is that DHS shouldn't be there at all.

[Winehole23]

Reserving actions like the MOVE bombing (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/move-1985-bombing-reconciliation-philadelphia) (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/move-1985-bombing-reconciliation-philadelphia)off to one side for future discussion, I will say I think the use of baton weapons, chemical weapons and other so called less lethal compliance tools is totally inappropriate, and the civil disorder that people are complaining about at home is largely what happens when police start rioting, er, enforcing.

[ElNono]

Judge proposes numbered jerseys for federal agents in Portland

A judge in Portland, Ore., is proposing that the uniforms of federal agents responding to long-running protests and unrest in that city be emblazoned with easily visible numbers so officers can be easily identified if they commit abuses.

U.S. District Court Judge Michael Simon aired the suggestion Friday in connection with a lawsuit he’s overseeing that accuses city police and federal law enforcement officers of unjustified use of force against journalists and legal observers monitoring the protests, which have centered in recent weeks on the main federal courthouse in Portland.

“I do think it might be appropriate to require any federal law enforcement officer who steps out of the federal courthouse building to wear a unique identifying code,” Simon said during a 90-minute teleconference with lawyers involved in the case. “I’m taking this very, very seriously.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/31/judge-numbered-jerseys-federal-agents-portland-389815

[Monostradamus]

https://i.ibb.co/9qbrnxY/5-B2-FD3-BC-7-F72-4-EB2-9-BC2-B038-E9-E4-F332.jpg

[FrostKing]

Armpit of America

[ChumpDumper]

Armpit of AmericaYep, the fascists there are ruining it.

[FrostKing]

Yep, the fascists there are ruining it.
You spent time or have connection to Portland? Seem to be more engaged in what is occurring there.

[ChumpDumper]

You spent time or have connection to Portland? Seem to be more engaged in what is occurring there.Only have a couple friends there.

No, they aren't Antifa boogeymen.

[FrostKing]

Only have a couple friends there.

No, they aren't Antifa boogeymen.
Haha understood. I enjoyed the series "Portlandia"

[Winehole23]

Feds leave, peace returns.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/with-no-federal-agents-on-streets-portland-protests-turn-largely-peaceful-11596393022

[RandomGuy]

Got to see how the weekend goes tbh.

Weekend's over. Feds quit starting shit, crowd self-polices and the protests are calm.

Courthouse not burned down. Nobody hurt.

[RandomGuy]

:rolleyes

??

The Feds quit overreacting, and the violence goes away.

Why is this difficult for you? other than reality intruding into your delusions of antifa violence?

[FrostKing]

Feds leave, peace returns.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/with-no-federal-agents-on-streets-portland-protests-turn-largely-peaceful-11596393022
But I thought they were always peaceful?

[Winehole23]

But I thought they were always peaceful?"Largely peaceful" before and after the DHS action in Portland, yes.

[tlongII]

??

The Feds quit overreacting, and the violence goes away.

Why is this difficult for you? other than reality intruding into your delusions of antifa violence?

You’re insane.

[spurraider21]

addressing the root cause of the civil unrest instead of trying to play wack-a-mole with federal officers works. who'da thunk it

[DarrinS]

addressing the root cause of the civil unrest instead of trying to play wack-a-mole with federal officers works. who'da thunk it

??

How did any of the "mostly peaceful" protesters address the "root cause"?

[spurraider21]

??

How did any of the "mostly peaceful" protesters address the "root cause"?


Feds leave, peace returns.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/with-no-federal-agents-on-streets-portland-protests-turn-largely-peaceful-11596393022

[spurraider21]

while its true that portland had been seeing regular protests, they had mostly calmed down since the peak of the floyd protests/riots. things began re-escalating after federal officers started pulling their shit in portland, and it remained in an escalated state until the feds backed off

[Spurtacular]

while its true that portland had been seeing regular protests, they had mostly calmed down since the peak of the floyd protests/riots. things began re-escalating after federal officers started pulling their shit in portland, and it remained in an escalated state until the feds backed off

Trump responsible for the cucks' tantrums.

:lol NPCs

[RandomGuy]

You’re insane.

I am pointing out to you facts, and you can't actually argue with the ground reality. Feds withdraw... protests magically get peaceful.

So instead of maybe re-thinking your "violent rioter" delusion, you double down and call people telling you what is real... insane?

Do you realize how delusional that sounds?