Creeping fascism in Portland?

[RandomGuy]

WTF is going on there? Unmarked vehicles driving up to people in the street throwing them in and arresting them? for what exactly?

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Federal law enforcement officers have used unmarked vehicles to detain protesters in Portland, according to news reports and at least one protester who spoke to USA TODAY.

Videos shared online show officers driving up to people, detaining them without explanation, then driving off, Oregon Public Broadcastingfirst reported. The ACLU filed a lawsuit Friday evening to try and end what it called "lawlessness" on the streets of Portland.

The lawsuit — the first of several that the ACLU said is to be filed against the Trump administration in Portland — seeks to block the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies from attacking journalists and legal observers at protests.

"Federal agents are terrorizing the community, threatening lives, and relentlessly attacking protesters demonstrating against police brutality," the ACLU said in a tweet. "This is not law and order. This is lawlessness — and it must be stopped."

Conner O’Shea, 30, a Portland resident who’s been attending protests for almost two months, told USA Today that early Thursday morning, around 2 a.m. he and a friend had left protests downtown and were walking back to their car when they were suddenly pursued by men who they believed to be federal agents.

O’Shea said after being warned by other protesters that federal agents were driving around in unmarked vans "snatching people," a van pulled over to the side walk and “four of five dudes in camo jump out and start charging at us.”

Both O'Shea and his friend ran in opposite directions. O’Shea did not see any sort of identifying markers on the men — badges or numbers or words on their camouflage uniforms. O’Shea managed to get away, and was later picked up by another friend and driven back home. But his friend Mark Pettibone, 29, has told media he was arrested and booked by federal agents, a story O’Shea confirmed.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/17/reports-federal-officers-detain-portland-protesters-unmarked-vans/5457471002/

[Chris]

no

[RandomGuy]

Videos posted on social media and first-person accounts show the officers driving up to protesters in downtown Portland, reportedly arresting them with no explanation of why and then driving off in unmarked vehicles.

“Usually when we see people in unmarked cars forcibly grab someone off the street, we call it kidnapping,” said Jann Carson, the executive director of Oregon’s American Civil Liberties Union, describing the actions as “flat-out unconstitutional.”

U.S. Senator Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) quickly condemned the use of this tactic on Twitter, saying Trump and Homeland Security Head Chad Wolf were “weaponizing the DHS as their own occupying army”:

Federal officers have clashed violently with protesters since Trump announced they would be deployed last week as “Portland was totally out of control.”

Federal officers also deployed tear gas and fired less-lethal rounds into a crowd on Thursday night after police called for the clearance of protesters heard chanting about burning down the federal courthouse, and on Saturday, federal agents shot a man in the face with less-than-lethal munition and fractured his skull.

Trump has said, “We’ve done a great job in Portland,” while Oregon Gov. Kate Brown and Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler have both asked for the president to pull federal forces out of the city—expressing concern that agents are worsening the situation by refusing to follow local rules that ban tear gas and less-than-lethal rounds.

CRUCIAL QUOTE
“This political theater from President Trump has nothing to do with public safety,” said Gov. Kate Brown on Thursday. “The President is failing to lead this nation. Now he is deploying federal officers to patrol the streets of Portland in a blatant abuse of power by the federal government.”

KEY BACKGROUND
Wolf traveled to Portland on Thursday, calling the protesters “violent anarchists” and saying the city “has been under siege for 47 straight days.” He said protesters have destroyed property, including the Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse, and attacked the “brave law enforcement officers protecting it” during months of anti-racism demonstrations. Last week, at least 7 people were arrested and face federal charges in connection with shattering the courthouse’s door and exploding fireworks inside. Mayor Wheeler said that city leadership was not invited to meet with the DHS during their visit, though “ if we were, we would decline.” Brown joined in the criticism, repeating a call to remove the agents from Portland and saying “Trump is looking for a confrontation in Oregon in the hopes of winning political points in Ohio or Iowa.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/07/17/trump-ordered-federal-agents-are-reportedly-pulling-protesters-into-unmarked-vehicles-drawing-outrage/

[RandomGuy]

no

The Geheimnisstaatspolizei are alive and well.

No identification... grabbing people in the street... If the president was a democrat, you would be shitting yourself.

Fuckers like you were the ones working the ovens.

[Chris]

The Geheimnisstaatspolizei are alive and well.

No identification... grabbing people in the street... If the president was a democrat, you would be shitting yourself.

Fuckers like you were the ones working the ovens.

loooooool

[Spurtacular]

Yea, Trump's really worried about Oregon. It might turn blue. Oh, wait.

[FrostKing]

From my understanding they are doing this legally under the provisions of the 2012 NDAA

[Spurtacular]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/17/reports-federal-officers-detain-portland-protesters-unmarked-vans/5457471002/

They won't be fearmongering when Zombie Rapist gets in office.

[Trainwreck2100]

They're apparently CBP

[baseline bum]

LOL forum libertarians nowhere to be seen when our Dear Leader suspends the fist amendment.

[baseline bum]

What a shithole country the US is.

[ElNono]

Unidentified officials, federal abduction of US citizens...

Law and Order!

[boutons_deux]

DHS Under Boss: We’re Taking This National


Acting :lol Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security Ken Cuccinelli :lol

tells NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892393079/dhs-official-on-reports-of-federal-officers-detaining-protesters-in-portland-ore) not only are they not going to stop but they want to take the tactics nationwide.


Well, we are – we welcome – the more investigations, the better.

With as much lawbreaking is going on, :lol

we’re seeking to prosecute as many people as are breaking the law as it relates to federal jurisdiction.

That’s not always happening with respect to local jurisdiction and local offenses.

But, you know, this is a posture we intend to continue not just in Portland but in any of the facilities that we’re responsible for around the country.


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/dhs-under-boss-were-taking-this-national

[vy65]

Dated July 1, the memo is titled “Public Affairs Guidance: CBP Support to Protect Federal Facilities and Property” and marked “For Official Use Only.” It describes a special task force created by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in response to President Trump’s Executive Order on Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues and Combating Recent Criminal Violence. That task force, the Protecting American Communities Task Force (PACT), has been tasked not only to assess civil unrest but also to “surge” resources to protect against it.

The Portland arrest of Mark Pettibone, first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting, followed several similar arrests involving officers from a Border Patrol Tactical Unit (BORTAC)—CBP’s equivalent of a SWAT team—as well as the US Marshals Special Operations Group. A CBP spokesman confirmed to The Nation that CBP agents were responsible for the arrest, pointing to authorities under the Protecting American Communities Task Force.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/border-patrol-portland-arrest/

[ElNono]

Dated July 1, the memo is titled “Public Affairs Guidance: CBP Support to Protect Federal Facilities and Property” and marked “For Official Use Only.” It describes a special task force created by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in response to President Trump’s Executive Order on Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues and Combating Recent Criminal Violence. That task force, the Protecting American Communities Task Force (PACT), has been tasked not only to assess civil unrest but also to “surge” resources to protect against it.

The Portland arrest of Mark Pettibone, first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting, followed several similar arrests involving officers from a Border Patrol Tactical Unit (BORTAC)—CBP’s equivalent of a SWAT team—as well as the US Marshals Special Operations Group. A CBP spokesman confirmed to The Nation that CBP agents were responsible for the arrest, pointing to authorities under the Protecting American Communities Task Force.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/border-patrol-portland-arrest/

Ramping up the fascism...

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1284571832578977796?s=19

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1284560676791259137?s=19

[vy65]

Ramping up the fascism...

While many people have criticized the alleged lawlessness of the arrests, some even engaging in conspiracy theories about them, these arrests are likely legal, according to current and former federal law enforcement officials interviewed by The Nation. And that’s exactly what makes them so troubling, explains Jenn Budd, a former senior Border Patrol agent.

“During the DC protest, many federal agents removed their insignia,” Budd explained, referring to a June 1 protest in front of the White House where protesters were teargassed. “What the agencies discovered was that they could do this without much blowback from Congress,” Budd explained.

A former senior DHS intelligence officer explained that while other federal agencies are required to wear identifiers when conducting arrests—NCIS agents have to wear both marked jackets and hats during arrests, for example—that is not the case with the DHS. “The fact is, they don’t have to do anything in marked vehicles,” he said. “Such operations happen all the time and at the discretion of supervisors.”

“If it gives them a tactical advantage, they will find a way to justify it,” a current DHS official told The Nation.

lol and order

[vy65]

Oh but hey, here are some tweets about Nancy Pelosi.

[ElNono]

Oh but hey, here are some tweets about Nancy Pelosi.

but, did you know Cuomo sent infected patients to nursing homes?

[ElNono]

While many people have criticized the alleged lawlessness of the arrests, some even engaging in conspiracy theories about them, these arrests are likely legal, according to current and former federal law enforcement officials interviewed by The Nation. And that’s exactly what makes them so troubling, explains Jenn Budd, a former senior Border Patrol agent.

“During the DC protest, many federal agents removed their insignia,” Budd explained, referring to a June 1 protest in front of the White House where protesters were teargassed. “What the agencies discovered was that they could do this without much blowback from Congress,” Budd explained.

A former senior DHS intelligence officer explained that while other federal agencies are required to wear identifiers when conducting arrests—NCIS agents have to wear both marked jackets and hats during arrests, for example—that is not the case with the DHS. “The fact is, they don’t have to do anything in marked vehicles,” he said. “Such operations happen all the time and at the discretion of supervisors.”

“If it gives them a tactical advantage, they will find a way to justify it,” a current DHS official told The Nation.

lol and order

They will be legal once the judiciary say they are. There's that whole right to face your accuser, being secure in your person, probable cause, etc.

Not saying all the arrests are illegal, but you only need one to have a case.

[Spurminator]

LOL forum libertarians nowhere to be seen when our Dear Leader suspends the fist amendment.

Every single one of these faggots probably had a dozen posts about Jade Helm.

[Will Hunting]

but, did you know Cuomo sent infected patients to nursing homes?
:lmao

[vy65]

Every single one of these faggots probably had a dozen posts about Jade Helm.

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/73/10/47/15501783/5/rawImage.jpg

[Will Hunting]

From my understanding they are doing this legally under the provisions of the 2012 NDAA

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/489/946/057.gif

[baseline bum]

Every single one of these faggots probably had a dozen posts about Jade Helm.

LOL these motherfuckers like to wrap themselves in the constitution, but don't give two fucks about the first amendment.

[angrydude]

Lol @ thinking libertarians should give a shit about this. Anyone out on the street during a riot is a part of a mob and deserves to be arrested. There is nothing unconstitutional about a federal officer making an arrest. There are only butt hurt rioters who are upset when they get charged with federal crimes and the local radical DA can't drop the charges.

[angrydude]

Ramping up the fascism...

You're a dumbass who doesn't understand the difference between state and federal law.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol @ thinking libertarians should give a shit about this. Anyone out on the street during a riot is a part of a mob and deserves to be arrested. There is nothing unconstitutional about a federal officer making an arrest. There are only butt hurt rioters who are upset when they get charged with federal crimes and the local radical DA can't drop the charges.Still waiting for a libertarian to weigh in....

[DarrinS]

Destroying property isn't a 1st amendment act. Those dumb fucks have been at this for 50 straight days, and counting.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao it’s remarkable how much “States Rights” Republicans want Trump to intervene in the affairs of liberal states.

[vy65]

Lol @ thinking libertarians should give a shit about this. Anyone out on the street during a riot is a part of a mob and deserves to be arrested. There is nothing unconstitutional about a federal officer making an arrest. There are only butt hurt rioters who are upset when they get charged with federal crimes and the local radical DA can't drop the charges.

Can you name a single federal law that was broken? Or are you upset that Trump's respect-the-monuments executive order wasn't being complied with?

[vy65]

:lmao it’s remarkable how much “States Rights” Republicans want Trump to intervene in the affairs of liberal states.

I thought states had the rights to police and enforce their own laws as they saw fit? Isn't that what the confederate flag stands for?

[Will Hunting]

I thought states had the rights to police and enforce their own laws as they saw fit? Isn't that what the confederate flag stands for?
That’s what I thought too. No idea how this is a federal matter, but I’m sure the Trumptards will Do enough mental backflips to justify it.

[DMC]

Society can only take so much rioting before it's time to quell the shit. They overstayed their welcome. Use the voting process, go home, faggots.

[vy65]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[ChumpDumper]

Still haven't seen what federal monument was being attacked at the time.

[Monostradamus]

Society can only take so much rioting before it's time to quell the shit. They overstayed their welcome. Use the voting process, go home, faggots.
I’m sure you felt the same way about those Bundy family situations.

[DMC]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Yet Trump is responsible for state's decisions on COVID-19.

[DMC]

I’m sure you felt the same way about those Bundy family situations.

Didn't keep up with them, but I am sure you had a double standard on them.

[vy65]

Yet Trump is responsible for state's decisions on COVID-19.

:cry but Cuomo :cry

Trump is responsible for responding to a national health crisis.

[Monostradamus]

Didn't keep up with them
Selective ignorance, how convenient :lmao

[Will Hunting]

I’m sure you felt the same way about those Bundy family situations.
FTR, that was on FEDERAL land, so it actually was a scenario where federal government intervention was appropriate.

I still wish Obama gave that entire inbred family the Waco treatment.

[DMC]

Selective ignorance, how convenient :lmao


:lmao talking all that shit about how they were all ready to start a civil war and die for their cause. First guy to get popped and they're crying like pussies and surrendering. Sounds about right for the typical right wing gun nut.

Just admit you're a pussy and move on.

[DMC]

:cry but Cuomo :cry

Trump is responsible for responding to a national health crisis.

You said the POTUS was responsible for state decisions. Now you say he's not.

Make up your fucking mind.

[Monostradamus]

Oh hey, he magically remembers the Bundy standoffs! Let’s see if he has an opinion on it.

[DMC]

Oh hey, he magically remembers the Bundy standoffs! Let’s see if he has an opinion on it.

It's called search function. I have only a vague memory of the name, didn't know what it was about.

Do you see a single post from me in any of those threads? Just admit you're wrong.

[Monostradamus]

It's called search function. I have only a vague memory of the name, didn't know what it was about.
When pressed for a take, the memory gets hazy again :lmao how convenient

[DMC]

When pressed for a take, the memory gets hazy again :lmao

You're welcomed to show my comments on it from the past, or just keep acting like a child.

[Monostradamus]

You're welcomed to show my comments on it from the past, or just keep acting like a child.
I wanna know more about your conveniently selective memory. Is there a pill you take for it? Is there a pill you take to get it? Like do you share a doctor with Jeff Sessions and Brett Kavanaugh and every other conservative who gets questioned by Congress?

[vy65]

You said the POTUS was responsible for state decisions. Now you say he's not.

Make up your fucking mind.

That's not what I said. Quote me like the h:lolnest broker you are.

[DarrinS]

Portland and Seattle were once nice cities.

[DMC]

That's not what I said. Quote me like the h:lolnest broker you are.

I asked if POTUS was in charge of the states. You said yes. The left invented the narrative that the POTUS is in charge of state functions and decisions, while opening the back door for Cuomo to slip right out of. You were complicit.

[Spurtacular]

Portland and Seattle were once nice cities.

I wish I had visited them before it went to trash.

[DMC]

I wanna know more about your conveniently selective memory. Is there a pill you take for it? Is there a pill you take to get it? Like do you share a doctor with Jeff Sessions and Brett Kavanaugh and every other conservative who gets questioned by Congress?

Neat flat spin you're in now after getting stuck in my jet wash. Good luck pulling out of it. Next time do your research before offering generic comments.

[tholdren]

What a shithole country the US is.

lololol

[vy65]

I asked if POTUS was in charge of the states. You said yes. The left invented the narrative that the POTUS is in charge of state functions and decisions, while opening the back door for Cuomo to slip right out of. You were complicit.

Quote me or shut up. Your self-interested recollection of what you think I said ain't gonna cut it. Chop chop.

And :lol thinking I'm team Cu:crym:cry

[DMC]

Quote me or shut up. Your self-interested recollection of what you think I said ain't gonna cut it. Chop chop.

You and I both know what you said. I don't need to convince you. You're just interested in other readers' impression of you. That makes one of us.

[vy65]

You and I both know what you said. I don't need to convince you. You're just interested in other readers' impression of you. That makes one of us.

Quote me or shut up.

[DMC]

Quote me or shut up.


Who is in control of New York where 25000 people have died from the virus?


POTUS

:lmao

[Monostradamus]

Neat flat spin you're in now after getting stuck in my jet wash. Good luck pulling out of it. Next time do your research before offering generic comments.
:lmao Does your conveniently selective memory ever malfunction and you suddenly forget Chicago black on black gun violence statistics at the worst possible time?

[DMC]

:lmao Does your conveniently selective memory ever malfunction and you suddenly forget Chicago black on black gun violence statistics at the worst possible time?

The struggling pilot tries restarting his engines to no avail, aircraft, still in flat spin, continues to accelerate toward the hard deck.

[DMC]

Count down to

1. lawyer speak where words like "control" are magnified and cross examined. Does control mean in charge of decisions?
2. Chumpdumper asking a narrative shifting question.

[vy65]

:lmao

DisengenuousMC didn't quote me:


This last observation raises yet another point: Professor Dorf’s bottom line might be correct—the federal government has broad powers here to impose a national lockdown—but the Commerce Clause power needn’t and shouldn’t be the only authority to look at or rely on. Today’s coronavirus is from all indications a natural phenomenon, but what if another super-virus—the next one—is introduced in America intentionally as a form of biological warfare? Recent headlines about the U.S. military sheltering in place remind us all that military preparedness might depend in the twenty-first century on creating—even by mandate—herd immunity, just as other forms of military preparedness throughout American history have required compulsion (e.g., selective service conscription).


DMC gonna run away from this shit like he always does. He read an article once about anti-commandeering doctrines, so apparently now he's a consitutional scholar.


The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).


Oh, look, there's even a guy on Fox News shitting on DMC:


The "Life, Liberty & Levin" host explained that the Commerce Clause of the Constitution gives Congress the power to "regulate commerce ... among the several States" and added that the New Deal era saw Supreme Court rulings that further strengthened the federal executive's authority over the states.

"The debate about federalism was a fake debate and I've given this a lot of thought," Levin said. "This has nothing to do with federalism. The president has more power to order governors, if he chooses, to open up their economies than people think.

:lmao indeed

[DarrinS]

Do the Feds have authority to protect federal property?

[ChumpDumper]

Count down to

1. lawyer speak where words like "control" are magnified and cross examined. Does control mean in charge of decisions?
2. Chumpdumper asking a narrative shifting question.Imma just laugh at you.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Do the Feds have authority to protect federal property?What was under attack at the time?

[vy65]

Count down to

1. lawyer speak where words like "control" are magnified and cross examined. Does control mean in charge of decisions?
2. Chumpdumper asking a narrative shifting question.

:lmao "lawyer speak"

Even just now you're a disingenuous fuck. The conversation was about who had control over the state's coronavirus response. But you deliberately didn't mention that because you're just interested in other poster's impressions of you.

[Monostradamus]

The struggling pilot tries restarting his engines to no avail, aircraft, still in flat spin, continues to accelerate toward the hard deck.
:lmao stealing my shit and still deflecting.

Your surrender is duly noted :tu

[DMC]

:lmao "lawyer speak"

Even just now you're a disingenuous fuck. The conversation was about who had control over the state's coronavirus response. But you deliberately didn't mention that because you're just interested in other poster's impressions of you.

https://i.imgur.com/EGx4GLg.jpg

[DMC]

:lmao stealing my shit and still deflecting.

Your surrender is duly noted :tu

Staring at the photo of his boyfriend on the console, the struggling pilot makes one final attempt at recovery by shaking his fist and loudly proclaiming victory over it, just before the explosion.

[koriwhat]

WTF is going on there? Unmarked vehicles driving up to people in the street throwing them in and arresting them? for what exactly?

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Federal law enforcement officers have used unmarked vehicles to detain protesters in Portland, according to news reports and at least one protester who spoke to USA TODAY.

Videos shared online show officers driving up to people, detaining them without explanation, then driving off, Oregon Public Broadcastingfirst reported. The ACLU filed a lawsuit Friday evening to try and end what it called "lawlessness" on the streets of Portland.

The lawsuit — the first of several that the ACLU said is to be filed against the Trump administration in Portland — seeks to block the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies from attacking journalists and legal observers at protests.

"Federal agents are terrorizing the community, threatening lives, and relentlessly attacking protesters demonstrating against police brutality," the ACLU said in a tweet. "This is not law and order. This is lawlessness — and it must be stopped."

Conner O’Shea, 30, a Portland resident who’s been attending protests for almost two months, told USA Today that early Thursday morning, around 2 a.m. he and a friend had left protests downtown and were walking back to their car when they were suddenly pursued by men who they believed to be federal agents.

O’Shea said after being warned by other protesters that federal agents were driving around in unmarked vans "snatching people," a van pulled over to the side walk and “four of five dudes in camo jump out and start charging at us.”

Both O'Shea and his friend ran in opposite directions. O’Shea did not see any sort of identifying markers on the men — badges or numbers or words on their camouflage uniforms. O’Shea managed to get away, and was later picked up by another friend and driven back home. But his friend Mark Pettibone, 29, has told media he was arrested and booked by federal agents, a story O’Shea confirmed.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/17/reports-federal-officers-detain-portland-protesters-unmarked-vans/5457471002/

Lmao you would fall for the left's talking points. Peaceful protesters and all for 50+ days, mortars, arson,breaking at fed buildings, and all but yeah peaceful.

Lmao!

[vy65]

https://i.imgur.com/EGx4GLg.jpg

Still not quoting me.

:cry don't use big words vy :cry

[Monostradamus]

:yield

[koriwhat]

Unidentified officials, federal abduction of US citizens...

Law and Order!

Lmao if they fly the antifa flag then they're terrorists. Bleeding hearts like yourself think communism won't end up biting you in the ass when all is said and done.

[DMC]

Still not quoting me.

:cry don't use big words vy :cry

:lmao it's your fucking post dipshit

[DMC]

DisengenuousMC didn't quote me:











:lmao indeed

So what's your problem with "federal executive's authority over the states" in this instance? Right back to what I originally said.

[DarrinS]

What was under attack at the time?

https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-less-lethal-munitions-protest-courthouse/

[Monostradamus]

Lmao if they fly the antifa flag then they're terrorists. Bleeding hearts like yourself think communism won't end up biting you in the ass when all is said and done.
Genuine question - do you know what communism is? Define communism for us.

[vy65]

:lmao it's your fucking post dipshit

No, these were posts, but you deliberately didn't post them because you're disengenuous



This last observation raises yet another point: Professor Dorf’s bottom line might be correct—the federal government has broad powers here to impose a national lockdown—but the Commerce Clause power needn’t and shouldn’t be the only authority to look at or rely on. Today’s coronavirus is from all indications a natural phenomenon, but what if another super-virus—the next one—is introduced in America intentionally as a form of biological warfare? Recent headlines about the U.S. military sheltering in place remind us all that military preparedness might depend in the twenty-first century on creating—even by mandate—herd immunity, just as other forms of military preparedness throughout American history have required compulsion (e.g., selective service conscription).


DMC gonna run away from this shit like he always does. He read an article once about anti-commandeering doctrines, so apparently now he's a consitutional scholar.


The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).


Oh, look, there's even a guy on Fox News shitting on DMC:


The "Life, Liberty & Levin" host explained that the Commerce Clause of the Constitution gives Congress the power to "regulate commerce ... among the several States" and added that the New Deal era saw Supreme Court rulings that further strengthened the federal executive's authority over the states.

"The debate about federalism was a fake debate and I've given this a lot of thought," Levin said. "This has nothing to do with federalism. The president has more power to order governors, if he chooses, to open up their economies than people think.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-less-lethal-munitions-protest-courthouse/
That's not this week.

[vy65]

So what's your problem with "federal executive's authority over the states" in this instance? Right back to what I originally said.

The problem is that unlike coronavirus, this is a regular police matter local to Portland. I'd try to explain the difference to you, but you don't do well with :cry lawyer words :cry

[DMC]

No, these were posts, but you deliberately didn't post them because you're disengenuous

https://i.imgur.com/EGx4GLg.jpg

Are you saying that's not your response to my question?

I don't think that your denial would hold up well in court, as the weight of evidence is heavily against you.

[Will Hunting]

That's not this week.
:lmao I’m sure Darrin carefully read that article beginning to end before he posted it

[DMC]

The problem is that unlike coronavirus, this is a regular police matter local to Portland. I'd try to explain the difference to you, but you don't do well with :cry lawyer words :cry

You mean the regular police that had been burned out of their precinct 50 days ago?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[vy65]

You mean the regular police that had been burned out of their precinct 50 days ago?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Point me to a case or a law that says that when a fire is lit on a police precinct, the state losses its constitutional authority, because I have an amendment that says otherwise.

Oh, that's right, you can't. Stupid games indeed.

[DarrinS]

:lmao I’m sure Darrin carefully read that article beginning to end before he posted it

I did

[DMC]

Point me to a case or a law that says that when a fire is lit on a police precinct, the state losses its constitutional authority, because I have an amendment that says otherwise.

Oh, that's right, you can't. Stupid games indeed.

Show me a case or law that says when a corona virus is in pandemic stage, states lose responsibility for their decisions to group highest risk elderly with positive COVID cases. You can't. Stupid games.

[ElNono]

You're a dumbass who doesn't understand the difference between state and federal law.

Wrong. Try me.

[ElNono]

Portland and Seattle were once nice cities.

They still are. I was in Seattle last January.

[Will Hunting]

:lol even with riots on the streets Portland and Seattle are much nicer places to be than your average 50,000 person town where everyone is 150 lbs overweight, shops at Walmart and votes conservative.

[ElNono]

Lmao if they fly the antifa flag then they're terrorists. Bleeding hearts like yourself think communism won't end up biting you in the ass when all is said and done.

I'm not opposed to policing, I'm opposed to denying american citizens their constitutional rights.

and lmao @ communism

[midnightpulp]

:lol even with riots on the streets Portland and Seattle are much nicer places to be than your average 50,000 person town where everyone is 150 lbs overweight, shops at Walmart and votes conservative.

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Feds, Right-Wing Media Paint Portland As 'City Under Siege.'

A Tour Of Town Shows Otherwise

In a city of 650,000 spread out over 145 square miles, national figures focus on police crackdowns on protesters on a scant few blocks night after night.

One America News Network describes “violence gripping the city.”

A Fox News headline blares “Portland protesters flood police precinct, chant about burning it down.”

The New York Post reported Saturday that Portland “descended into violence.”

The images that populate national media feeds, however, come almost exclusively from a tiny point of the city:

a 12-block area surrounding the Justice Center and federal courthouse.

And they occur exclusively during late-night hours in which only a couple hundred or fewer protesters and scores of police officers are out in the city’s coronavirus-hollowed downtown.

Those events are hardly representative of daily life, including peaceful anti-racism demonstrations that have drawn tens of thousands of protesters, in a city of 650,000 people that encompasses 145 square miles.

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/feds-right-wing-media-paint-portland-as-city-under-siege-a-tour-of-town-shows-otherwise.html

Very clear that Trash/Barr wanted to see how they could go to push Los Federales, under a bullshit declaration of National Emergency, into US cities.

They discovered they could and

that not the Dems nor nobody else could or would stop them or punish them.

All is ready for the Unitary Executive to declare marital law and a National Emergency, use the DHS army, National Guard, sheriffs, metro police to lock down the country

[vy65]

Show me a case or law that says when a corona virus is in pandemic stage, states lose responsibility for their decisions to group highest risk elderly with positive COVID cases. You can't. Stupid games.

Straw man. And I posted at least one basis for Trump having the authority to do something -- too bad Trump's too much of a pussy to do anything about it. That was one of the things you neglected to quote when I asked you to quote me. Too bad he's too much of a pussy to do anything.

Only a simpleton like you would think that the coronavirus response is the same as local crime.

[Trainwreck2100]

They still are. I was in Seattle last January.

aesthetically maybe, but they're turning to shit homeless wise, faster than most places

[ElNono]

aesthetically maybe, but they're turning to shit homeless wise, faster than most places

If you think this is bad, wait a couple more months, especially if Congress continues to sit on their asses.

On the other hand, all the retail space becoming available might be a partial solution to the housing crisis in most large metro areas.

[Trainwreck2100]

If you think this is bad, wait a couple more months, especially if Congress continues to sit on their asses.

On the other hand, all the retail space becoming available might be a partial solution to the housing crisis in most large metro areas.


I still don't know if i should reup my lease, I'm doing it for nine months but I expect that shit to floor sometime soon

[ElNono]

I still don't know if i should reup my lease, I'm doing it for nine months but I expect that shit to floor sometime soon

Doubt it's going to make a dent here in LA, but we'll see. I'm keeping an eye on housing prices though. If it really gets bad, might be an opportunity, tbh

[DMC]

Straw man. And I posted at least one basis for Trump having the authority to do something -- too bad Trump's too much of a pussy to do anything about it. That was one of the things you neglected to quote when I asked you to quote me. Too bad he's too much of a pussy to do anything.

Only a simpleton like you would think that the coronavirus response is the same as local crime.

It doesn't have to be the same to be a state issue, and I never said Portland was a federal issue - I only said you claimed POTUS was in control when it suited your argument, and that you need to make up your fucking mind. Only a lawyer would try to equate the two scenarios, and even then only if said lawyer stepped on his own dick. You said the POTUS was in control of NY. I quoted you.

[Trainwreck2100]

Doubt it's going to make a dent here in LA, but we'll see. I'm keeping an eye on housing prices though. If it really gets bad, might be an opportunity, tbh

I doubt you'll have that opportunity, the rich have so much in liquidity it will be a 2008 buy up all over again.

[vy65]

It doesn't have to be the same to be a state issue

No, it absolutely does. Coronavirus affects interstate commerce. The constitutional analysis is different than a purely local police issue like the burning precinct. So saying it doesn't have to be the same state issue is probably the most ignorant thing someone could say -- the commerce clause is a thing. Congressional delegations of power to the Executive are a thing. But you know nothing about that and you're hiding behind :cry lawyer words :cry but you're really just a stupid ignorant fuck that thinks he knows what he's talking about. But you don't.

[Chris]

vy getting mad again

you hate to see it

[vy65]

Doonesbury up in this bitch again. Holler.

[DMC]

No, it absolutely does. Coronavirus affects interstate commerce. The constitutional analysis is different than a purely local police issue like the burning precinct. So saying it doesn't have to be the same state issue is probably the most ignorant thing someone could say -- the commerce clause is a thing. Congressional delegations of power to the Executive are a thing. But you know nothing about that and you're hiding behind :cry lawyer words :cry but you're really just a stupid ignorant fuck that thinks he knows what he's talking about. But you don't.

Trying to flex your legal e-peen :lol

You said the POTUS was in control of NY. Are you saying the POTUS or congress has power to protect interstate commerce based on the constitution?

[DMC]

The Supreme Court has explained that
states “retain authority under their general police powers to regulate matters of ‘legitimate local concern,’
even though interstate commerce may be affected.” And when it comes to public-health measures like
quarantines, the Court has concluded that “[t]he mere power of the Federal Government to regulate interstate commerce does not disable the States from adopting reasonable measures designed to secure the
health and comfort of their people.” Thus,

In the absence of any action taken by Congress on the subject-matter, it is well settled that a state,
in the exercise of its police power, may establish quarantines against human beings, or animals, or
plants, the coming in of which may expose the inhabitants, or the stock, or the trees, plants, or
growing crops, to disease, injury, or destruction thereby, and this in spite of the fact that such
quarantines necessarily affect interstate commerce.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10469

[RandomGuy]

LOL forum libertarians nowhere to be seen when our Dear Leader suspends the fist amendment.

More than just the first.

Grabbing people off the streets 'cause is not really a charge that sticks in a court.

[RandomGuy]

Dated July 1, the memo is titled “Public Affairs Guidance: CBP Support to Protect Federal Facilities and Property” and marked “For Official Use Only.” It describes a special task force created by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in response to President Trump’s Executive Order on Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues and Combating Recent Criminal Violence. That task force, the Protecting American Communities Task Force (PACT), has been tasked not only to assess civil unrest but also to “surge” resources to protect against it.

The Portland arrest of Mark Pettibone, first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting, followed several similar arrests involving officers from a Border Patrol Tactical Unit (BORTAC)—CBP’s equivalent of a SWAT team—as well as the US Marshals Special Operations Group. A CBP spokesman confirmed to The Nation that CBP agents were responsible for the arrest, pointing to authorities under the Protecting American Communities Task Force.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/border-patrol-portland-arrest/


Border patrol? In portland? WTF?


and yeah, that memo pretty much is creeping fascism. Fuckwits here defending it, will be screaming bloody murder if a Democrat was president. Seems like we have given waaaay too much discretion to the law enforcement.

[Winehole23]

within 100 miles of the border.

BORTAC guys to make sure Federal property doesn't get graffitied.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Border%20Patrol%20Tactical%20Unit.pdf

[Winehole23]

"She also announced that the Oregon Department of Justice and the Multnomah County district attorney would open a criminal investigation into the July 11 injury of Donavan LaBella, whom a U.S. Marshals Service officer shot in the face with a munition."!!!

https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2020/07/17/oregon-attorney-general-sues-to-stop-federal-arrests-of-portland-protesters/

[baseline bum]

Border patrol? In portland? WTF?


and yeah, that memo pretty much is creeping fascism. Fuckwits here defending it, will be screaming bloody murder if a Democrat was president. Seems like we have given waaaay too much discretion to the law enforcement.

Doesn't seem like creeping at all, seems like full speed.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1284711962337775616?s=19

[FrostKing]

If given the opportunity, would anyone here live in Portland for free?

[clambake]

Oregon is cool.

But you would not be accepted. Probably better that you stay miserable where you are now.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1284711962337775616?s=19That's an attack?


If given the opportunity, would anyone here live in Portland for free?
Absolutely. 20 assholes at the courthouse in a city of 650,000. I'd never see it.

[ElNono]

If given the opportunity, would anyone here live in Portland for free?

I would. I lived there for a couple of years in the mid 90s, one of the prettiest cities I've lived in.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1284711962337775616?s=19

He should do that, but that also means following the law, which is probably why he's not done it yet.

[Winehole23]

Brass

1284726088187310080 (https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1284726088187310080?s=20)

[Chris]

Brass

1284726088187310080 (https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1284726088187310080?s=20)

Idiot deserved it. 6 feet of space is required to slow the spread.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1284742372060884992?s=19


lol

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1284711962337775616?s=19

Hey how about taking steps to stop covid

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1284742372060884992?s=19


lolI think it's fairly clear they're trying to keep people from coming out of the doors. Why would they pile up stuff in front of the doors if they wanted to break in?

[ElNono]

1284274265836204033

Fortunately we have the ACLU suing these agencies too... time to go donate to them again, tbh

[Will Hunting]

If given the opportunity, would anyone here live in Portland for free?
If I had to choose between Portland or some conservative utopia like Rogers Arkansas I would easily prefer Portland.

[boutons_deux]

rioters torched the police union bldg Sat night

[DMC]

Last time I was in Portland, the Uber driver fell asleep 3 times and almost ran off the road. I made him drop me off in the median of a highway and called another ride. Dude said he studied all night for exams. Hope he didn't kill anyone.

[DarrinS]

rioters torched the police union bldg Sat night

mostly peaceful

[Spurtacular]

mostly peaceful

Sounds like the city doesn't need the feds help.

[DMC]

Sounds like the city doesn't need the feds help.

Totally under control - no need for creeping fascism, local law abiding citizens do not deserve constitutional rights.

[Spurtacular]

Totally under control - no need for creeping fascism, local law abiding citizens do not deserve constitutional rights.

The Chumpettes are all about federal over reach until they aren't. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

mostly peaceful

Sounds like the city doesn't need the feds help.

I think it's all planned and staged bruh. Problem, reaction, soluion. That's how the psychos in government function.

[koriwhat]

Genuine question - do you know what communism is? Define communism for us.

Lmao the faux intellectuals strike again with their stupid asinine questions. If I can't define it then Webster's can and they're just a google search away but good thing my def aligns with theirs. As well there's been plenty examples of the course of our existence to point to and one big glaring example presently in china.

Genuine question, when are you going to start acting like a man and stop acting like a little girl mono? I can't wait til you choke on the tons of garbage you stuff down your face. No more stupid fucking questions then!

[koriwhat]

I'm not opposed to policing, I'm opposed to denying american citizens their constitutional rights.

and lmao @ communism

If they're literal antifa scumbags then they have no constitutional rights anymore. Wake the fuck up and stop getting all up in your feelings for once. Grow some balls!

[Monostradamus]

I can't define it
I figured as much.

:lmao being scared shitless of something you can’t even define.

[koriwhat]

I figured as much.

:lmao being scared shitless of something you can’t even define.

You have a warped mindset where you pretend everyone is beneath you. It's sickening tbh.

Last time I checked you're no millionaire, not a philanthropist, not godly, etc... so who the fuck do you think you are?

You're a waste. People like you are pathetic and you know it mono. Just keep stuffing your face and stfu.

[Winehole23]

mostly peacefulyep.

about 50 straight days of people in the streets, mostly peaceful.

[Monostradamus]

You have a warped mindset where you pretend everyone is beneath you. It's sickening tbh.

Last time I checked you're no millionaire, not a philanthropist, not godly, etc... so who the fuck do you think you are?

You're a waste. People like you are pathetic and you know it mono. Just keep stuffing your face and stfu.
Still can’t define communism :lmao

[koriwhat]

As well mono I can see you align with MSM with the way you quote others out of context.

You're a pathetic excuse for a man.

[koriwhat]

Still can’t define communism :lmao

Why would I care to define it? Because you say so? Last time I gave a fuck about your demands was never.

[Will Hunting]

Joey is going to angrily reply to this post.

[Monostradamus]

Why would I care to define it? Because you say so? Last time I gave a fuck about your demands was never.
I just figured if it’s something so heinous and threatening, something you claim Americans should lose all their rights over if they support it, you’d know what it actually is. But apparently it’s just a buzzword boogeyman to you.

[Monostradamus]

:lmao kw fears communism the same way a 5 year old fears a monster under his bed.

[koriwhat]

:lmao kw fears communism the same way a 5 year old fears a monster under his bed.

You fear exercise and healthy eating... what's your point exactly?

Everyone should fear communism and not talk lightly of it like you do. What's your end game by pretending the threat isn't a real one just because I claim it to be?

You're a fool mono. A fool who more than likely only acts the way you do on the internet and not irl.

[koriwhat]

I just figured if it’s something so heinous and threatening, something you claim Americans should lose all their rights over if they support it, you’d know what it actually is. But apparently it’s just a buzzword boogeyman to you.

Tell those in china's concentration camps that communism is just a buzzword.

[Monostradamus]

Tell those in china's concentration camps that communism is just a buzzword.
I didn’t say it was a buzzword boogeyman to them, I said it’s one for you.

And concentration camps aren’t some communism-exclusive thing.

[Will Hunting]

Go look up the dictionary definition of communism, I’ll bet there’s no mention of concentration camps.

[ElNono]

Last time I was in Portland, the Uber driver fell asleep 3 times and almost ran off the road. I made him drop me off in the median of a highway and called another ride. Dude said he studied all night for exams. Hope he didn't kill anyone.

Hope you gave him a 1 star, tbh... that's inexcusable.

[ElNono]

Sounds like the city doesn't need the feds help.

If they need fed help, they can ask for it.


The Chumpettes are all about federal over reach until they aren't. :lol

This is ironic. Aren't you one of those 'States rights' champions around here? or only when it's politically expedient?

Plus, whether you like rioters or not, they're still American citizens and still have rights.

[ElNono]

If they're literal antifa scumbags then they have no constitutional rights anymore. Wake the fuck up and stop getting all up in your feelings for once. Grow some balls!

Sorry you don't understand how constitutional rights work, kori, but they don't stop applying due to political leanings. Think about that for a second, you don't really want that to become the norm.

I still remember the crying about Tea Party members being 'persecuted' by the IRS.

[koriwhat]

Sorry you don't understand how constitutional rights work, kori, but they don't stop applying due to political leanings. Think about that for a second, you don't really want that to become the norm.

I still remember the crying about Tea Party members being 'persecuted' by the IRS.

If they want to burn shit down like fed buildings and the like, terrorize citizens, wave their stupid antifa flags, etc then they aren't privy to our constitutional rights.

Again, sorry but your feelings don't fucking matter one bit.

[koriwhat]

I didn’t say it was a buzzword boogeyman to them, I said it’s one for you.

And concentration camps aren’t some communism-exclusive thing.

A concentration camp would do wonders for your health until you become rail thin and you cease to exist. From one extreme to the other...

[ElNono]

If they want to burn shit down like fed buildings and the like, terrorize citizens, wave their stupid antifa flags, etc then they aren't privy to our constitutional rights.

Again, sorry but your feelings don't fucking matter one bit.

Criminals get arrested, told their miranda rights, and taken in front of a judge. They get to see who arrested them and the opportunity to confront them in a trial of their peers. That's how the law works.

The one with the feelings hurt that these people get these rights is you, not me.

Ultimately, by skimping on the law, what ends up happening are mistrials and the federal government having to pay off civil lawsuits for wrongful arrests.

[koriwhat]

Criminals get arrested, told their miranda rights, and taken in front of a judge. They get to see who arrested them and the opportunity to confront them in a trial of their peers. That's how the law works.

The one with the feelings hurt that these people get these rights is you, not me.

Ultimately, by skimping on the law, what ends up happening are mistrials and the federal government having to pay off civil lawsuits for wrongful arrests.

Lmao what part of "terrorist" aren't you understanding mr big brain? Antifa scum are terrorists and thus have 0 rights whether you like it or not. :tu

[Spurtacular]

If they need fed help, they can ask for it.



This is ironic. Aren't you one of those 'States rights' champions around here? or only when it's politically expedient?

Plus, whether you like rioters or not, they're still American citizens and still have rights.

So, the national guard shouldn't have been brought in when they were integrating schools?

[TheGreatYacht]

So, the national guard shouldn't have been brought in when they were integrating schools?

Private, UNDISCLOSED, Military ABDUCTING Everyday Protestors in Portland, Oregon ..Over a Week Now!

https://youtu.be/OKkWMSwZ4D

[ElNono]

Lmao what part of "terrorist" aren't you understanding mr big brain? Antifa scum are terrorists and thus have 0 rights whether you like it or not. :tu

lol no. I don't think you understand how terror laws work. Even white supremacist skinheads get their day in court.

They don't stop being Americans because they pledge allegiance to anything. You could certainly try them for treason, but you're still going through the justice system, and they get to keep all their rights.

Remember when Dubya tried to invalidate habeas to actual terrorists not even in US soil and the SCOTUS said no? Well, there you go.

This discussion also came about when Trump said he was identifying Antifa as a terror group. There's no such thing.

While the PATRIOT Act defines "domestic terrorism" for the purposes of authorizing law enforcement investigations, no federal criminal offense exists which is referred to as "domestic terrorism". While international terrorism ("acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries") is a defined crime in federal law, acts of domestic terrorism are charged under specific laws, such as killing federal agents or "attempting to use explosives to destroy a building in interstate commerce"

[ElNono]

So, the national guard shouldn't have been brought in when they were integrating schools?

Not sure how you're making that leap. If the local/state LEO is violating the law, the federal government can certainly ensure the laws are followed.

It's not the case here. Portland and Oregon LEO have been following the law, making arrests, etc, AFAIK.

[Spurtacular]

Not sure how you're making that leap. If the local/state LEO is violating the law, the federal government can certainly ensure the laws are followed.

It's not the case here. Portland and Oregon LEO have been following the law, making arrests, etc, AFAIK.

That's not a leap. That's a direct correlation. They were brought in against the governor's will to protect American citizens. You were for that.

Are you saying that now that shouldn't be done for Portland if local and state law enforcement is failing to keep the peace?

[ElNono]

That's not a leap. That's a direct correlation. They were brought in against the governor's will to protect American citizens. You were for that.

Are you saying that now shouldn't be done for Portland?

I don't have a problem with policing, be it local, state or federal, and I don't think the governor generally has a problem with that either as long as it's lawful.

However, what we're seeing here is federal agents breaking the law, namely the civil rights of US citizens, thus why they're getting sued.

[Spurtacular]

I don't have a problem with policing, be it local, state or federal, and I don't think the governor generally has a problem with that either as long as it's lawful.

However, what we're seeing here is federal agents breaking the law, namely the civil rights of US citizens, thus why they're getting sued.

So, you're objection is not the concept but the execution.

I can see that. I haven't been watching this closely. I don't trust the feds, tbh. It wouldn't surprise me if they were doing more harm than good.

That said, the Portland police have stand down orders and law abiding citizens are most certainly at risk.

[ElNono]

So, you're objection is not the concept but the execution.

I can see that. I haven't been watching this closely. I don't trust the feds, tbh. It wouldn't surprise me if they were doing more harm than good.

That said, the Portland police have stand down orders and law abiding citizens are most certainly at risk.

There's specific instances where they picked people up on the street, using unmarked cars, and wearing no identifying tags at all, for apparently no reason, and didn't take them to a judge.

Another fed shot a protester in the face with impact ammo.The feds even admitted to it, and claimed it was necessary.

Well, that's all fine and dandy, but they need to explain that in front of a judge and a jury. That's my beef with this, and should be everyone's beef, IMO.

[Spurtacular]

There's specific instances where they picked people up on the street, using unmarked cars, and wearing no identifying tags at all, for apparently no reason, and didn't take them to a judge.

Another fed shot a protester in the face with impact ammo.The feds even admitted to it, and claimed it was necessary.

Well, that's all fine and dandy, but they need to explain that in front of a judge and a jury. That's my beef with this, and should be everyone's beef, IMO.

I've never thought that Americans should accept plain clothed police.

But I'm sure you can cite SC cases that prop up this police state.

Nor do I think they should accept lying from police. But SC has supported that, too.

This is what happens when the Constitution gets perverted.

[TheGreatYacht]

So, you're objection is not the concept but the execution.

I can see that. I haven't been watching this closely. I don't trust the feds, tbh. It wouldn't surprise me if they were doing more harm than good.

That said, the Portland police have stand down orders and law abiding citizens are most certainly at risk.

This was all planned ma nig. They plan everything. Right-wingers like koriwhat who are cheerleading this are useful idiots who are partisan hacks obsessed with military and policestate.

If American patriots are so concerned about riots then let them put those guns to use. Will they use them? Probably not. Cowards.

After the plandemic, I don't trust government at all. So I'm not on favor of this crap. We haven't even discussed if these events are staged.

[Spurtacular]

This was all planned ma nig. They plan everything. Right-wingers like koriwhat (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10674) who are cheerleading this are useful idiots who are partisan hacks obsessed with military and policestate.

If American patriots are so concerned about riots then let them put those guns to use. Will they use them? Probably not. Cowards.

After the plandemic, I don't trust government at all. So I'm not on favor of this crap. We haven't even discussed if these events are staged.

USA Today reporting it. They don't report non player approved news. That's why I haven't jumped into this. It is certainly planned by the shadow govt. The endgame is not yet fully known.

[ElNono]

I've never thought that Americans should accept plain clothed police.

But I'm sure you can cite SC cases that prop up this police state.

Nor do I think they should accept lying from police. But SC has supported that, too.

This is what happens when the Constitution gets perverted.

It's not plain clothed. They're dressed as cops, but with tags covered. DHS claims it's because officers get doxxed.

I don't even think every arrest they made is wrongful or illegal. But if they cross a legal line, they need to respond for it, and we need to know who authorized it and under what law.

And if the law is unconstitutional, it needs to be brought down.

[Spurtacular]

It's not plain clothed. They're dressed as cops, but with tags covered. DHS claims it's because officers get doxxed.

I don't even think every arrest they made is wrongful or illegal. But if they cross a legal line, they need to respond for it, and we need to know who authorized it and under what law.

And if the law is unconstitutional, it needs to be brought down.

It's shady. Anyone who can't do something in the open shouldn't be doing the job.

They pulled this on the CIA "whistleblower". That was BS too.

[TheGreatYacht]

USA Today reporting it. They don't report non player approved news. That's why I haven't jumped into this. It is certainly planned by the shadow govt. The endgame is not yet fully known.

Good for you bruh. Based on principle, I don't agree w any of this crap. If the people in Portland want their leftist communist Utopia then let them get what they ask for. People like koriwhat getting orgasms out of this have no principles and are acting purely out of emotion. Funny cuz he is accusing everyone else of acting out of emotion when he's doing that very same thing :lol

[ElNono]

Good for you bruh. Based on principle, I don't agree w any of this crap. If the people in Portland want their leftist communist Utopia then let them get what they ask for. People like koriwhat getting orgasms out of this have no principles and are acting purely out of emotion. Funny cuz he is accusing everyone else of acting out of emotion when he's doing that very same thing :lol

It's entirely an emotional partisan reaction, tbh... if old Joe would deploy anonymous cops to lift up and arrest US citizens (say, 2nd amendments protesters), I would be denouncing it too, and the NRA, Fox News and kori would be all up in arms about it. c'est la vie.

[TheGreatYacht]

It's entirely an emotional partisan reaction, tbh... if old Joe would deploy anonymous cops to lift up and arrest US citizens (say, 2nd amendments protesters), I would be denouncing it too, and the NRA, Fox News and kori would be all up in arms about it. c'est la vie.

Exactly.

[Spurtacular]

Good for you bruh. Based on principle, I don't agree w any of this crap. If the people in Portland want their leftist communist Utopia then let them get what they ask for. People like koriwhat (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10674) getting orgasms out of this have no principles and are acting purely out of emotion. Funny cuz he is accusing everyone else of acting out of emotion when he's doing that very same thing :lol

He has principles. They're just raw and not so refined. He isn't the real problem. He's a meat and potato guy in a f*cked up world is all.

[koriwhat]

lol no. I don't think you understand how terror laws work. Even white supremacist skinheads get their day in court.

They don't stop being Americans because they pledge allegiance to anything. You could certainly try them for treason, but you're still going through the justice system, and they get to keep all their rights.

Remember when Dubya tried to invalidate habeas to actual terrorists not even in US soil and the SCOTUS said no? Well, there you go.

This discussion also came about when Trump said he was identifying Antifa as a terror group. There's no such thing.

While the PATRIOT Act defines "domestic terrorism" for the purposes of authorizing law enforcement investigations, no federal criminal offense exists which is referred to as "domestic terrorism". While international terrorism ("acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries") is a defined crime in federal law, acts of domestic terrorism are charged under specific laws, such as killing federal agents or "attempting to use explosives to destroy a building in interstate commerce"

show me where "white supremecists" are considered terrorists and labeled as so.

but muh feelings!

[koriwhat]

Good for you bruh. Based on principle, I don't agree w any of this crap. If the people in Portland want their leftist communist Utopia then let them get what they ask for. People like koriwhat getting orgasms out of this have no principles and are acting purely out of emotion. Funny cuz he is accusing everyone else of acting out of emotion when he's doing that very same thing :lol

the forums david icke is all over it again! actually icke has more brains than you bro.

[ElNono]

show me where "white supremecists" are considered terrorists and labeled as so.

but mhh feelings!

sure...

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

Domestic Terrorism

Domestic right-wing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, antiregulatory beliefs. Generally, extremist right-wing groups engage in activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. Law enforcement becomes involved when the volatile talk of these groups transgresses into unlawful action.

(excerpted from above)

see also:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/confronting-white-supremacy

So now that you know, what are your thoughts about it?

[DMC]

Hope you gave him a 1 star, tbh... that's inexcusable.

I was refunded, he was probably fired.

[boutons_deux]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzHE_SY334o&t=0s

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzHE_SY334o&t=0s

Yea, Zombie Rapist will put an end to the trampling of civil liberties, amirite? He gonna cancel the Patriot Act? Oh, no? STFU

[boutons_deux]

Things in Portland were getting better, until Trump made them worse ... deliberately

https://images.dailykos.com/images/833501/story_image/GettyImages-1227676767.jpg?1595097485

Trump has repeatedly claimed (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-press-conference-071420/) that there are “many, many people in jail right now—many, many people in jail, all over the country” for attempting to topple Confederate statues.

he promised,

“many exciting things …

Things that nobody has even contemplated, thought about, thought possible,

and things that we’re going to get done …

we can honestly say nobody has ever going to see eight weeks like we’re going to have.”

He continued, “We’re going to get things done that they’ve wanted to see done for a long, long time.”

Trump made it clear that one of the “detailed” and “thoughtful” things he has planned for next week is

a federal takeover of multiple cities from “the left-wing group of people”

that voters have elected as governors, mayors, and other local leaders.

“how did we get here” when it comes to unidentified men in camo dragging people into vans, or blasting them in the face, is simple:

Donald Trump wants it that way.

the mayor, and the governor, and everyone on the scene—makes clear, the presence of federal forces in Portland has greatly escalated the violence and tension in the city.

It’s only since these forces appeared on the scene that “it’s gotten really brutal.”

Here’s a scene in downtown Portland from a week ago.


Last Saturday, the crowd was 100 or so. It was very chill—nothing going on beyond the now-normal occupation of the Justice Center.

The federal forces ... blew away an already tentative sense of cause and effect.

They made it clear that there are no rules.

Anyone could be hurt at any time for any thing.

Or for nothing.


the forces ... are people completely untrained (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us/portland-protests.html) in dealing with either public demonstrations or even normal law enforcement.


These are ass-kickers,


and they’ve been sent in to kick ass.


They are very, very much there

to make things worse.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/18/1961747/-Things-in-Portland-were-getting-better-until-Trump-made-them-worse-deliberately


Trash/Barr/Wollf FABRICATING CARNAGE as political campaigning

Kevin McCarthy says what the anonymous Federal ass-kickers did in Portland will be spread to other cities

[boutons_deux]

Trump eggs on violence in Portland, claiming leadership has 'lost control' of 'anarchists'

those federal authorities of course have President Donald Trump’s full support. “We are trying to help Portland, not hurt it,” Trump tweeted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1284831061181173761?s=20) Sunday.

“Their leadership has, for months, lost control of the anarchists and agitators.
They are missing in action.
We must protect Federal property, AND OUR PEOPLE.
These were not merely protesters, these are the real deal!”

federal troops descending upon Portland streets "is actually leading to more violence and more vandalism."

“And it's not helping the situation at all,” the mayor said.

“They're not wanted here.

We haven’t asked them here.

In fact, we want them to leave."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/19/1962010/-Trump-eggs-on-violence-in-Portland-claiming-leadership-has-lost-control-of-anarchists

[boutons_deux]

'No Tactics... Just Seemed Like a Gang':

Navy Veteran Speaks Out After Attack by Secret Police in Viral Video Viewed Nearly 10 Million Times

"They just started whaling on me with batons, and I let them," said Christopher David.

https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/headlines/portland_police_veteran.jpg?itok=eorZlDbi

"I was enraged simply because I did not think they were taking their oath of office seriously or they were compromising their oath of office," Christopher David, the 53-year-old disabled Navy veteran shown above being attacked and pepper sprayed by federal police. "So I actually went down because I wanted to talk to them about it."

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/20/no-tactics-just-seemed-gang-navy-veteran-speaks-out-after-attack-secret-police-viral

[Winehole23]

Reaction to police escalation caught on video has been swift.

https://projects.propublica.org/protest-police-tactics/#979122 (https://projects.propublica.org/protest-police-tactics/#979122)

[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

"Flanked by AG Barr,

Pres says he's planning announcement next week on Federal action to quell violence in cities, citing

Seattle,

Minneapolis,

Chicago.

He says some cities "are like war zones," :lol

and makes it partisan, saying they're run by "liberal, left-wing Democrats."

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/1283434158539317251

[Splits]

What's happening in Portland is worse than US Military getting exploded by IEDs. Nice message

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[spurraider21]

the only "fantastic job" these guys have done is prove that the gun nut fantasy of fighting off government tyranny isn't that much of a fantasy

rounding people up for "hating the country"... smh. ramping up the fascism

[LkrFan]

no

Proof?

[LkrFan]

"Flanked by AG Barr,

Pres says he's planning announcement next week on Federal action to quell violence in cities, citing

Seattle,

Minneapolis,

Chicago.

He says some cities "are like war zones," :lol

and makes it partisan, saying they're run by "liberal, left-wing Democrats."

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/1283434158539317251

Private Bone Spurts doesn't know about war zones tbh :lol

[RandomGuy]

https://projects.propublica.org/protest-police-tactics/#979122 (https://projects.propublica.org/protest-police-tactics/#979122)

Interesting. Not only for the content, but the way it was presented on the webpage. Well done for both. Makes a good point that the police themselves are the ones escalating the violence in a lot of cases.

[Spurminator]

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This is basically the federal fascist overreach that conservative gun nuts have fantasized about being able to fight against, and they will do nothing about it because they are cowards.

[spurraider21]

1285236811179098112

This is basically the federal fascist overreach that conservative gun nuts have fantasized about being able to fight against, and they will do nothing about it because they are cowards.
obviously a 5D chess psy-op to get more people to be pro-gun

[FrostKing]

Things in Portland were getting better
Fantasy

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Alex Jones' conspiracy finally comes to fruition.

[koriwhat]

sure...

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

Domestic Terrorism

Domestic right-wing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, antiregulatory beliefs. Generally, extremist right-wing groups engage in activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. Law enforcement becomes involved when the volatile talk of these groups transgresses into unlawful action.

(excerpted from above)

see also:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/confronting-white-supremacy

So now that you know, what are your thoughts about it?

a-ok with it. what were you expecting?

[RandomGuy]

What's happening in Portland is worse than US Military getting exploded by IEDs. Nice message

1285246421675933696

Its graffitti. That is what all the hullabaloo is about. Graffitti.

[RandomGuy]

Yea, Zombie Rapist will put an end to the trampling of civil liberties, amirite? He gonna cancel the Patriot Act? Oh, no? STFU

So what is going to stop the violent right wing militias from doing the same thing? They are going to get the bright idea awful quick that if the feds are running around in unmarked vans in groups of paramilitary clothes snatching people off the streets.. they can too.

As Oregon's attorney general puts it:

Oregon's citizens are at risk of kidnapping by militias and other civilian "volunteers" taking it onto themselves to pull peaceful protesters into their cars, in a manner that resembles the federal actions described above. And Oregon's own police agencies are therefore injured, by roving federal officers confusing citizens about whether they are obligated to comply with armed men ordering them into unmarked vans.

You want to defend this shit, then I would point out there will be a Democrat as a president rather shortly, with the same powers. Be careful where you walk.

[boutons_deux]

Trump's Cynical and Deeply Dangerous Reelection Ploy:

Sow Chaos in US Cities

This is what fascism looks like. It spares no one.

Part of Trump’s reelection strategy is to scare the white suburbs,

which polls show have soured on him, with “urban” (read: minority) violence.

This is clear from his current campaign ads, which try to paint the gentlemanly Joe Biden as a bomb thrower.

strategy is to send Federal agents dressed like Iraq War troops to Democratic-run cities,

on the pretext of protecting Federal property,

and then for them to attack and provoke Black Lives Matter and Defund the Police protesters,

causing violence to escalate and using it … to scare the suburbs.

The exercise also has the advantage for

Trump of entrenching a new form of secret police

and of turning Federal agents into instruments of his authoritarianism.

White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has confirmed the plan to send the Feds into those cities.

Provoking social conflict so as to polarize society was part of the Russian hacker playbook in 2016.

It is the preferred tactic of terrorist groups such as ISIL and the Neo-Nazis,

since a polarized society is much easier to scare into submission.

the Feds, with anonymized name tags and unmarked vehicles,

attacked people simply for being in the street and

made arrests without warrants or any probable cause.

This behavior is unprecedented for Federal agents,

who seldom make arrests and

have in the past proceeded only with a court warrant

Christopher David, who saw the Federal agents acting unconstitutionally approached them.

He said he wanted to talk to them about how they were violating their oath of office.

They beat him repeatedly with a baton, fracturing his hand in two places.

It is in a splint and will require surgery. But he did not move,


https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/07/20/trumps-cynical-and-deeply-dangerous-reelection-ploy-sow-chaos-us-cities?cd-origin=rss

[FrostKing]

Trump's Cynical and Deeply Dangerous Reelection Ploy:

Sow Chaos in US Cities

This is what fascism looks like. It spares no one.

Part of Trump’s reelection strategy is to scare the white suburbs,

which polls show have soured on him, with “urban” (read: minority) violence.

This is clear from his current campaign ads, which try to paint the gentlemanly Joe Biden as a bomb thrower.

strategy is to send Federal agents dressed like Iraq War troops to Democratic-run cities,

on the pretext of protecting Federal property,

and then for them to attack and provoke Black Lives Matter and Defund the Police protesters,

causing violence to escalate and using it … to scare the suburbs.

The exercise also has the advantage for

Trump of entrenching a new form of secret police

and of turning Federal agents into instruments of his authoritarianism.

White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has confirmed the plan to send the Feds into those cities.

Provoking social conflict so as to polarize society was part of the Russian hacker playbook in 2016.

It is the preferred tactic of terrorist groups such as ISIL and the Neo-Nazis,

since a polarized society is much easier to scare into submission.

the Feds, with anonymized name tags and unmarked vehicles,

attacked people simply for being in the street and

made arrests without warrants or any probable cause.

This behavior is unprecedented for Federal agents,

who seldom make arrests and

have in the past proceeded only with a court warrant

Christopher David, who saw the Federal agents acting unconstitutionally approached them.

He said he wanted to talk to them about how they were violating their oath of office.

They beat him repeatedly with a baton, fracturing his hand in two places.

It is in a splint and will require surgery. But he did not move,


https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/07/20/trumps-cynical-and-deeply-dangerous-reelection-ploy-sow-chaos-us-cities?cd-origin=rss

cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance


Trump mobilized the protesters and instructed them to riot/loot

[ChumpDumper]

Look at all the rioting and murder in Portland!

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[ChumpDumper]

And yes, those mothers got tear gassed after this video was taken.

[ChumpDumper]

Protests were dying down in Portland. Then the Trump's secret police showed up....

[Play Boban]

If you’re not breaking the law you’ve got nothing to worry about. LAW AND ORDER :claw

[ChumpDumper]

If you’re not breaking the law you’ve got nothing to worry about.Actually, you do.

[Spurtacular]

So what is going to stop the violent right wing militias from doing the same thing? They are going to get the bright idea awful quick that if the feds are running around in unmarked vans in groups of paramilitary clothes snatching people off the streets.. they can too.

As Oregon's attorney general puts it:


You want to defend this shit, then I would point out there will be a Democrat as a president rather shortly, with the same powers. Be careful where you walk.

:lol That the govt. is randomly kidnapping hippies.
:lol Psyops.
:lol If they were, trust me, CIA Today wouldn't be reporting on it.
:lol TheGreatYacht

[RandomGuy]

:lol That the govt. is randomly kidnapping hippies.
:lol Psyops.
:lol If they were, trust me, CIA Today wouldn't be reporting on it.
:lol TheGreatYacht

Sooooo nothing. You think this is fine.

Maybe beating a navy veteran is cool too?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAS-FDEmpg

[Spurtacular]

Sooooo nothing. You think this is fine.

Maybe beating a navy veteran is cool too?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAS-FDEmpg

Quote me on that.

[ElNono]

a-ok with it. what were you expecting?

Those people don't get their rights suspended, kori, they're still US citizens and they get their day in court. That's the whole point.

[Chris]

Proof?

See:Portland

[DMC]

:lol white people

[DarrinS]

Fuck Portland and fuck Seattle. Pull the Feds out and let them Chaz it up.

[Play Boban]

Actually, you do.
Show your work

[Play Boban]

:lol white people
Cancel white people tbqh

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol That the govt. is randomly kidnapping hippies.
:lol Psyops.
:lol If they were, trust me, CIA Today wouldn't be reporting on it.
:lol TheGreatYacht

The right-wing version of George Floyd to stir the pot and continue dream civil war the Zionists and Jewish supremacists so desperately want.

[Chris]

The script:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1285316236088430594?s=19
https://twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/1285341847947300864?s=19
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1285315022093258752?s=19
https://twitter.com/OregonGovBrown/status/1285356318404907008?s=19

^the repeaters

[ElNono]

^ Fascism good now

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1285488451731648512?s=19

[FrostKing]

Whites terrorising their own city over the death of some black guy on the other side of the country

Large Asian population in the PNW, they do not care.

[boutons_deux]

you rightwingnutjob assholes refuse to see, or aren't intellectually sophisticated enough, to see sending secret Federal police into Dem cities is NOTHING but a Trash/Barr authoritarian campaign tactic, and has nothing to do with peace keeping, JUST the opposite as the Trash/Barr gang have WORSENED the Portland situation.

[Spurtacular]

The right-wing version of George Floyd to stir the pot and continue dream civil war the Zionists and Jewish supremacists so desperately want.

Same people behind GF are doing this, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Same people behind GF are doing this, tbh.

Yup

[RandomGuy]

Fuck Portland and fuck Seattle. Pull the Feds out and let them Chaz it up.

Trump is now going to export this to Chicago. Pretty much a publicity ploy to help him get re-elected. That said, if they keep this up, sooner or later it will go bad.

As Oregon's governor points out, making this into a new normal, rule of law aside, means that the violent right wing militias will try imitating it, and then you get some interesting escalations of local police having to detain vanfuls of federal agents, or someone shooting at these people, because it is awfully hard to tell paramilitary asshats apart.

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/834877/story_image/1451.png?1595401029

[boutons_deux]

...

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1286156171532017664?s=19


looool

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1286156171532017664?s=19


looool
nothing wrong with that. one dude dumped empty tear gan canisters in front of him, the crowd made sure he was safe. crowd was pissed at him for not doing more to stop trump's secret police. i dont blame them.

i'd much rather have my leader face the music and the people than be a bunker bitch

[Chris]

trump's secret police

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/0c/97/6e0c970a6dbbf5c0c643e0e96ce35230.gif

[Play Boban]

Beijing Biden

[FrostKing]

Saw footage of the 'Back the Blue' rally in Denver being attacked. Scary. Local leadership is openly failing to protect the citizens.

Someone help me understand how defunding will help this situation? We have seen an increase in mob attacks and I haven't seen one from the right since Charlottesville?

What is the goal/end game here. That Biden steps in and the violence stops?

[Winehole23]

Feds teargas the Portland mayor

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[Chris]

I bet Trump ordered his secret police to target the mayor.

[Chris]

But we all know who's really giving the orders:


https://www.dailypnut.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/putin.jpg

[Winehole23]

very screwy, what do you call it when the government lies to create support for deploying paramilitary goons against citizens?

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[Vito Corleone]

Saw footage of the 'Back the Blue' rally in Denver being attacked. Scary. Local leadership is openly failing to protect the citizens.

Someone help me understand how defunding will help this situation? We have seen an increase in mob attacks and I haven't seen one from the right since Charlottesville?

What is the goal/end game here. That Biden steps in and the violence stops?



Is this a rhetorical question?

Defunding the police is a stop in the coup to destroying our government. BLM is a Marxist organization backed by Soros and the CCP. Antifa is also Marxist with the same backers. Both are being used as the strong arm of the DNC to destabilize the government and take over the country.

The agenda is simple.
1. Defund the police and create their own national police that they will control.
2. Confiscate all guns.
3. Eliminate all basic American rights. Speech religion press right to assemble.
4. Flood the US with Marxist from other countries and give them the right to vote.
5. Get a 2/3rd majority in both the house and Senate and eliminate the Constitution.

America has fallen.

Like I said. Civil War is here.

[Winehole23]

"Antifa" is an inside job

https://mainernews.com/satirical-protest-jobs-website-was-source-of-official-warnings-about-leftist-violence/

[spurraider21]

Is this a rhetorical question?

Defunding the police is a stop in the coup to destroying our government. BLM is a Marxist organization backed by Soros and the CCP. Antifa is also Marxist with the same backers. Both are being used as the strong arm of the DNC to destabilize the government and take over the country.

The agenda is simple.
1. Defund the police and create their own national police that they will control.
2. Confiscate all guns.
3. Eliminate all basic American rights. Speech religion press right to assemble.
4. Flood the US with Marxist from other countries and give them the right to vote.
5. Get a 2/3rd majority in both the house and Senate and eliminate the Constitution.

America has fallen.

Like I said. Civil War is here.
- what does local police have to do with taking over the country? you think they're the line of defense on a national level? where are you getting the national police idea from?
- what politicians have advocated for confiscating all guns? how would that even pass constitutional muster?
- where are you getting "eliminate all basic american rights" from?
- you seem to assume that every immigrant and left leaning person is marxist. do you know what marxism actually means?
- if a political movement actually got 2/3 majority in both the house and the senate, then yeah i'd say that reflects somewhat of a mandate to enact change

hallmark of conspiratorial thinking is keeping it broad/generic so that it can avoid specific criticisms and can morph its position when needed

[Chucho]

Is this a rhetorical question?

Defunding the police is a stop in the coup to destroying our government. BLM is a Marxist organization backed by Soros and the CCP. Antifa is also Marxist with the same backers. Both are being used as the strong arm of the DNC to destabilize the government and take over the country.

The agenda is simple.
1. Defund the police and create their own national police that they will control.
2. Confiscate all guns.
3. Eliminate all basic American rights. Speech religion press right to assemble.
4. Flood the US with Marxist from other countries and give them the right to vote.
5. Get a 2/3rd majority in both the house and Senate and eliminate the Constitution.

America has fallen.

Like I said. Civil War is here.


What Civil war? Wars can't be fought online and Likes and Emojis on social media aren't bullets.

Most Muricans are blowhard loud mouths like Trump. All talk. Look for safety in numbers. But if it came down to it, and there wasn't a victimhood angle to play or manipulate, most are staying home and playing the pacifist card. All day, every day. We're a soft, lazy society.

[spurraider21]

What Civil war? Wars can't be fought online and Likes and Emojis on social media aren't bullets.

Most Muricans are blowhard loud mouths like Trump. All talk. Look for safety in numbers. But if it came down to it, and there wasn't a victimhood angle to play or manipulate, most are staying home and playing the pacifist card. All day, every day. We're a soft, lazy society.
the civil war stuff is mostly just LARP, led by grifters on twitter like Tim Pool, and swallowed by those with race war fetishes like nathan

[Winehole23]

One or two more Friday night IG sackings could finish off whatever internal accoubtability still remains for Trump inside his own government.

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[RandomGuy]

Is this a rhetorical question?

Defunding the police is a stop in the coup to destroying our government. BLM is a Marxist organization backed by Soros and the CCP. Antifa is also Marxist with the same backers. Both are being used as the strong arm of the DNC to destabilize the government and take over the country.

The agenda is simple.
1. Defund the police and create their own national police that they will control.
2. Confiscate all guns.
3. Eliminate all basic American rights. Speech religion press right to assemble.
4. Flood the US with Marxist from other countries and give them the right to vote.
5. Get a 2/3rd majority in both the house and Senate and eliminate the Constitution.

America has fallen.

Like I said. Civil War is here.

:lmao

That is some grade-a delusional bullshit right there. You have been hitting the Fox bong too hard, and used that as a gateway drug to some hard core right wing radio dumbassery directly into the veins.

Is Antifa in the room with us now?

[Spurtacular]

WALL OF COWS

https://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2020/07/20/7aab1532-5457-4bd4-9c38-5ee8f0349c5c/thumbnail/1200x630/9b79598e2bb24373dd60a434fc00531a/2020-07-19t163144z-1692642959-rc2dwh96p9xa-rtrmadp-3-global-race-protests-portland-1.jpg

[Chucho]

WALL OF COWS

https://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2020/07/20/7aab1532-5457-4bd4-9c38-5ee8f0349c5c/thumbnail/1200x630/9b79598e2bb24373dd60a434fc00531a/2020-07-19t163144z-1692642959-rc2dwh96p9xa-rtrmadp-3-global-race-protests-portland-1.jpg


Can't call fat women cows anymore. They are "thick", "voluptuous" and "curvy".

[spurraider21]

Can't call fat women cows anymore. They are "thick", "voluptuous" and "curvy".
thicc

[FrostKing]

Is this a rhetorical question?

Defunding the police is a stop in the coup to destroying our government. BLM is a Marxist organization backed by Soros and the CCP. Antifa is also Marxist with the same backers. Both are being used as the strong arm of the DNC to destabilize the government and take over the country.

The agenda is simple.
1. Defund the police and create their own national police that they will control.
2. Confiscate all guns.
3. Eliminate all basic American rights. Speech religion press right to assemble.
4. Flood the US with Marxist from other countries and give them the right to vote.
5. Get a 2/3rd majority in both the house and Senate and eliminate the Constitution.

America has fallen.

Like I said. Civil War is here.
I will need to check back with you after election results. Democrats are open and public about their agenda. If America supports on election night then maybe it is time to move and be happy?

[ChumpDumper]

Is this a rhetorical question?

Defunding the police is a stop in the coup to destroying our government. BLM is a Marxist organization backed by Soros and the CCP. Antifa is also Marxist with the same backers. Both are being used as the strong arm of the DNC to destabilize the government and take over the country.

The agenda is simple.
1. Defund the police and create their own national police that they will control.
2. Confiscate all guns.
3. Eliminate all basic American rights. Speech religion press right to assemble.
4. Flood the US with Marxist from other countries and give them the right to vote.
5. Get a 2/3rd majority in both the house and Senate and eliminate the Constitution.

America has fallen.

Like I said. Civil War is here.If it's war, you're a coward.

[spurraider21]

what better way to intimidate and silent dissent than by having unidentified federal officers driving around people protesting the government, grabbing random people, not arresting them, not booking them, not telling them what they're being picked up for, being held for some time, take down their ID, and then releasing them

what purpose does that serve other than to compile a registry of "radical dissenters" or some equivalent

but no lets complain about some shit like trans bathrooms in the "ramping up fascism" thread

[spurraider21]

lets not forget branding all of antifa as a terrorist organization without any clear way of identifying who is just a pissed off liberal and who is antifa... all that does is give the feds more leeway to circumvent 4th amendment rights and ramp the surveillance of those individuals. with how undefined the organization is, it's ripe for abuse

[FrostKing]

lets not forget branding all of antifa as a terrorist organization without any clear way of identifying who is just a pissed off liberal and who is antifa... all that does is give the feds more leeway to circumvent 4th amendment rights and ramp the surveillance of those individuals. with how undefined the organization is, it's ripe for abuse
BLM doesn't need to be branded as terrorist group but their ads and support need to be scraped from society ASAP. I had 'Dateline' running in the background last night and a long BLM ad mentioning "white supremacy" came on. Troubling. American domestic sports visually supporting the group. Scary.

[DMC]

Feds teargas the Portland mayor

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:lmao

[DMC]

lets not forget branding all of antifa as a terrorist organization without any clear way of identifying who is just a pissed off liberal and who is antifa... all that does is give the feds more leeway to circumvent 4th amendment rights and ramp the surveillance of those individuals. with how undefined the organization is, it's ripe for abuse

Same with Al Qaeda. How do you know? Gang tattoos?

btw, who are "those individuals"?

[DMC]

I bet Trump ordered his secret police to target the mayor.

If you cannot handle being nabbed by the secret police, perhaps socialism isn't for you.

[spurraider21]

Same with Al Qaeda. How do you know? Gang tattoos?

btw, who are "those individuals"?
al qaeda actually has an organizational structure/network with somebody (formerly bin laden) at the top, known associates and lieutenants, working its way down. any white kid starting shit at a protest could just be called antifa.

to be fair, i dont know the level of scrutiny/rigor before an individual is able to be surveilled under an anti-terrorist statute.

"those individuals" are whoever is identified by the government as "antifa" for the purported purpose of counter-terrorism surveillance

[DMC]

WALL OF COWS

https://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2020/07/20/7aab1532-5457-4bd4-9c38-5ee8f0349c5c/thumbnail/1200x630/9b79598e2bb24373dd60a434fc00531a/2020-07-19t163144z-1692642959-rc2dwh96p9xa-rtrmadp-3-global-race-protests-portland-1.jpg


Can't call fat women cows anymore. They are "thick", "voluptuous" and "curvy".

https://i.imgur.com/ARVqRpD.jpg?1