Yale professor says hydroxychloroquine could save 100,000 lives — but it's being stifled by a 'propaganda war'

[tholdren]

And debates are so fuckin' useless, too, since the general public doesn't know how to spot logical fallacies and rhetorical tricks. The general public will often crown the winner of a debate based on who was more articulate and "lively," not who made better points. Trump will "win," because of that. He'll lie, do his cult leader "charisma thing," and articulate better than Biden (even though it will be aimless rambling about non-sequitur shit, but Trump doesn't really stumble over words).

Hope Biden is prepared to counter Trump's boasts.

- "The economy was the best ever under me!"

- "No it wasn't, Don. And the economy and unemployment was on a steep downward slope during Barry and I's last term. You simply inherited a trend."

- "I banned travel from China in the run up to Covid. I saved thousands of lives."

- "The virus was already seeded by that time, Don. And still, you were talking about the stock market looking healthy while claiming Covid was supposedly declining, as republican senators were selling off stock. And you continued to downplay it."

etc, etc.

lol you saying this is so ironic. You have a political agenda.


BwahhahabahabahhahahaHhahahHHahH


And you have no math skills



BwahahahahhahahahahahahhaahHH

[Winehole23]

You already said you don't have a 401K so why do you give a fuck other than to just run your suck?what hey, there's a property qualification to run smack in this board? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

midnightpulp says lockdowns and masks work. With no evidence to prove this. But he recommends

Midnightpulp says there's no solid proof either way that hydrox works but its not scientific and doesn't work....

Midnightpulp has a bias problem

Sad he's made it politicalth:loldren has a problem

[ElNono]

midnightpulp says lockdowns and masks work. With no evidence to prove this. But he recommends

Midnightpulp says there's no solid proof either way that hydrox works but its not scientific and doesn't work....

Midnightpulp has a bias problem

Sad he's made it political

^ more gossip, still no math

[tholdren]

^ more gossip, still no math

lolololoolibwhajahaauuuaaus

[ElNono]

lolololoolibwhajahaauuuaaus

lmao f:lollded again

[tholdren]

lmao f:lollded again

El nono taking ChumpDumper place as f5 king

He's triggered


And pwnd

[ChumpDumper]

El nono taking ChumpDumper place as f5 king

He's triggered


And pwndf:lolldren mad

[tholdren]

f:lolldren mad

actually flattered you two like me so much

[ElNono]

El nono taking ChumpDumper place as f5 king

He's triggered

And pwnd

you folded... now, you're lashing out.

[ElNono]

actually flattered you two like me so much

gossip

[ChumpDumper]

actually flattered you two like me so muchth:lolldren tries to pull it together after his meltdown

Only a matter of time before the next one....

[tholdren]

th:lolldren tries to pull it together after his meltdown

Only a matter of time before the next one....

Kansas lololololo

[ChumpDumper]

Kansas lololololof:loldren desperately tries to change the subject from his failure and meltdown.

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/116062323_3869260166422395_6902154599018887848_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=u-fOvaguovUAX8nCvZs&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=b159434f0f244481a2e64d1ab4d5e77d&oe=5F4A5CCE


2005 it was ok

[TheGreatYacht]

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2005 it was ok

Yet you probably buy their propaganda of Hydroxyclhoriquine. Anthony Fauci, the man in charge of this scamdemic was being honest back then? Hmmm 🤔 explain that to me please.

Those doctors are controlled opposition PURPOSELY censored that were promoting another drug for a virus that doesn't exist.

Man the elite tactics work for you Trump supporters, hook, line and sinker. I don't know how you guys can't see this.

My guess is you have this mentality of "You see? Trump said ot works! Those doctors with lab coats said Hydroxyclhoriquine works too! They got censored so they must be telling the the truth!!"

You people fall for the divide and conquer strategy by the elites so easily. They control the left vs right or Democrats vs Republicans. They plan everything. They are smart they know how you guys think. Psychological warfare.

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[pgardn]

Yet you probably buy their propaganda of Hydroxyclhoriquine. Anthony Fauci, the man in charge of this scamdemic was being honest back then? Hmmm 樂 explain that to me please.

Those doctors are controlled opposition PURPOSELY censored that were promoting another drug for a virus that doesn't exist.

Man the elite tactics work for you Trump supporters, hook, line and sinker. I don't know how you guys can't see this.

My guess is you have this mentality of "You see? Trump said ot works! Those doctors with lab coats said Hydroxyclhoriquine works too! They got censored so they must be telling the the truth!!"

You people fall for the divide and conquer strategy by the elites so easily. They control the left vs right or Democrats vs Republicans. They plan everything. They are smart they know how you guys think. Psychological warfare.

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As I have stated before you are a fckin idiot.

Read the paper authored by Fauci in 2005 that ducks put out then:

Understand the following if you have any nerve signals left in your celery brain.

Here is what happens if you actually go to the journal and the conclusion:

Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in primate cell culture.


Do you have any understanding of the shit you put out?
This is typical Trump "facts". Distortion and disingenous statements to PURPOSELY confuse the country he is running.
And the ducks will follow in line.
This is why it was tried in the first place ducks.

Do you understand the bolded?

This is a bad as lying to your own people, good job ducks.

SARS not Covid 19
Cell Culture, not in bodies ducks.
Primate cells that are CULTURED ducks, go back and look at the primate cells ducks, what did they use? Just want to see if you can read.

You are an idiot and DONT have a clue as to what they were studying.
Do you understand what in vivo and in vitro mean?

There is a Gigantic difference. And yes, its different from the Venmo app.

[TSA]

Not wrong. At one point it was.

And the drug is still unproven to work effectively in most, if not all cases so whether or not some countries are still using it, it's not like it's actually saving lives.

Time to stop trying to make this one drug work so badly to make god Trump right for once in his life. Might as well be promoting injecting bleach into you.

66 Global HCQ studies (39 peer reviewed): PrEP, PEP, and early treatment studies show high effectiveness, while late treatment shows mixed results.

https://c19study.com/

[pgardn]

66 Global HCQ studies (39 peer reviewed): PrEP, PEP, and early treatment studies show high effectiveness, while late treatment shows mixed results.

https://c19study.com/

Yeah all those studies have the exact same validity so just add em up and hallelujah, it works!

You will notice the guy who actually did the first hopeful study in 2005 is on your list.
And he has read all the info and says no.

But you add those up.

[Winehole23]

Yeah all those studies have the exact same validity so just add em up and hallelujah, it works!

You will notice the guy who actually did the first hopeful study in 2005 is on your list.
And he has read all the info and says no.

But you add those up.TOO LATE, THE JURY'S IN, NO DO-OVERS!

[TSA]

Yeah all those studies have the exact same validity so just add em up and hallelujah, it works!

You will notice the guy who actually did the first hopeful study in 2005 is on your list.
And he has read all the info and says no.

But you add those up.

which studies do you specifically take issue with?

[ChumpDumper]

Operation Rabbit Hole has commenced.

[ElNono]

which studies do you specifically take issue with?

Take the first one. It's not a study, it's a letter (hopefully a study that can be peer reviewed follows). Furthermore, the conclusion isn't that HCQ works, but that it requires further study.

Although unmeasured confounding remains the most likely explanation for the discrepancies, a robust meta-analysis is still lacking and we question whether hydroxychloroquine should be further tested.

Yet, it's marked as positive in the list...

Frankly, the fact that Gummi Bear links to the site makes it suspect already. There's much better places to look for HCQ tests that are not hand picked and not rated anonymously, tbh.

[TSA]

Take the first one. It's not a study, it's a letter (hopefully a study that can be peer reviewed follows). Furthermore, the conclusion isn't that HCQ works, but that it requires further study.

Although unmeasured confounding remains the most likely explanation for the discrepancies, a robust meta-analysis is still lacking and we question whether hydroxychloroquine should be further tested.

Yet, it's marked as positive in the list...

Frankly, the fact that Gummi Bear links to the site makes it suspect already. There's much better places to look for HCQ tests that are not hand picked and not rated anonymously, tbh.tbh, find me a more comprehensive list and I'll take a look. I posted this list to question why so many here in the US are trying to suppress a cheap treatment and dismiss it as ineffective when so many studies around the world are showing success. Why do you think this is occurring here?

Not a study?

A total of 539 COVID-19 hospitalised patients were included in our cohort in Milan, from February 24 to May 17,2020 of whom 174 died in hospital (day 14 probability of death: 29.5%–95%CI: 25.5–34.0). We divided a subset of our cohort in three groups who started treatment a median of 1 day after admission: those receiving hydroxycholoroquine alone (N = 197), those receiving hydroxycholoroquine + azithromycin (N = 94), and those receiving neither (controls) (N = 92). Of the latter group, 10 started HIV antivirals (boosted-lopinavir or –darunavir), 1 teicoplanin, 12 immunomodulatory drugs or corticosteroids, 23 heparin and 46 remained untreated. The percent of death in the 3 groups was 27%, 23% and 51%. Mechanical ventilation was used in 4.3% of hydoxychloroquine, 14.2% of hydroxycholoroquine + azithromycin and 26.1% of controls. Unweighted and weighted relative hazards of mortality are shown in Table 1. After adjusting for a number of key confounders (see table), the use of hydroxycholoroquine + azithromycin was associated with a 66% reduction in risk of death as compared to controls; the analysis also suggested a larger effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in patients with less severe COVID-19 disease (PO2/FiO2 > 300, interaction p-value<.0001). Our results are remarkably similar to those shown by Arshad et al.

Some important weaknesses of the analysis by Arshad have been pointed out (Lee et al., 2020) but not all of these apply to our study. Our propensity scores include some of the potential confounders that were missing in the analysis by Arshad (e.g. calendar day of admission, disease severity, cardio-vascular disease (CVD), baseline plasma CRP); second, we have excluded people receiving other drugs which could have biased the effect of hydroxychloroquine when used in combination. Third, although residual confounding is a possibility (e.g. people with CVD were more frequent in control), people in the control group were more likely to undergo mechanical ventilation that is a conservative bias. These results from two different real-life settings (Italy and USA), are conflicting with those of two large randomised trials (Horby et al., 2020, World Health Organization, 2020). Although unmeasured confounding remains the most likely explanation for the discrepancies, a robust meta-analysis is still lacking and we question whether hydroxychloroquine should be further tested. When best to start treatment is also a question that needs to be addressed in ad-hoc randomised studies.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30600-7/fulltext

[Splits]

Yet the FDA, after issuing and then revoking emergency, has not re-issued

[ChumpDumper]

Yet the FDA, after issuing and then revoking emergency, has not re-issuedDEEP STATE!

[ElNono]

tbh, find me a more comprehensive list and I'll take a look. I posted this list to question why so many here in the US are trying to suppress a cheap treatment and dismiss it as ineffective when so many studies around the world are showing success. Why do you think this is occurring here?

I don't think anybody here in the US is trying to 'suppress' anything. It's clear that health authorities, like the FDA, the CDC, the WHO, etc, have gone through the panoply of available studies and concluded the drug is not useful enough to treat covid.

To the point that some of them have gone back and forth on this. Not to mention, there's now better options that are proven to be more effective.

What I question is if there's a political bone to pick here that keeps pumping this drug. Lists like the one you posted give credence to that.



Not a study?

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30600-7/fulltext

Yeah, not a study. Right there on the link:

Ethical approval
This analysis is part of the study approved by Ethic Committee Area 1, Milan Italy (2020/ST/049 and 2020/ST/049_BIS, 11/03/2020).

And, again, the conclusion spelled out in the letter is exactly what I quoted.

[Spurtacular]

Yet you probably buy their propaganda of Hydroxyclhoriquine. Anthony Fauci, the man in charge of this scamdemic was being honest back then? Hmmm 樂 explain that to me please.

Those doctors are controlled opposition PURPOSELY censored that were promoting another drug for a virus that doesn't exist.

Man the elite tactics work for you Trump supporters, hook, line and sinker. I don't know how you guys can't see this.

My guess is you have this mentality of "You see? Trump said ot works! Those doctors with lab coats said Hydroxyclhoriquine works too! They got censored so they must be telling the the truth!!"

You people fall for the divide and conquer strategy by the elites so easily. They control the left vs right or Democrats vs Republicans. They plan everything. They are smart they know how you guys think. Psychological warfare.

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I'm not worried about whether or not it helps against the sniffles, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

As I have stated before you are a fckin idiot.

Read the paper authored by Fauci in 2005 that ducks put out then:

Understand the following if you have any nerve signals left in your celery brain.

Here is what happens if you actually go to the journal and the conclusion:

Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in primate cell culture.


Do you have any understanding of the shit you put out?
This is typical Trump "facts". Distortion and disingenous statements to PURPOSELY confuse the country he is running.
And the ducks will follow in line.
This is why it was tried in the first place ducks.

Do you understand the bolded?

This is a bad as lying to your own people, good job ducks.

SARS not Covid 19
Cell Culture, not in bodies ducks.
Primate cells that are CULTURED ducks, go back and look at the primate cells ducks, what did they use? Just want to see if you can read.

You are an idiot and DONT have a clue as to what they were studying.
Do you understand what in vivo and in vitro mean?

There is a Gigantic difference. And yes, its different from the Venmo app.

You believe in the hoax virus :lol

TSA is defending doctors wearing a lab coat that found a cure for a virus that doesn't exist :lol

Both of you are sperm shielding for criminal big pharma and medical industries :lol

Both of you don't know that you are useful idiots for the establishment :lol

Spurtacular, that's how the establishment fools the masses. Even your fellow Trumpsters fall hook, line and sinker.

[ChumpDumper]

You believe in the hoax virus :lol

TSA is defending doctors wearing a lab coat that found a cure for a virus that doesn't exist :lol

Both of you are sperm shielding for criminal big pharma and medical industries :lol

Both of you don't know that you are useful idiots for the establishment :lol

Spurtacular, that's how the establishment fools the masses. Even your fellow Trumpsters fall hook, line and sinker.So are the thousands of people in hospitals right now are crisis actors or what?

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm not worried about whether or not it helps against the sniffles, tbh.

Your fellow Trumpsters still believe in the hoax virus. That means Republicans governors and Trump himself can continue locking down states and enforce mask wearing at their own will. That should be concerning tbh...

All the Patriots protesting lockdowns and mask wearing are nowhere to be found now cuz team Republican wouldn't dare lie :cry

[ChumpDumper]

Your fellow Trumpsters still believe in the hoax virus. That means Republicans governors and Trump himself can continue locking down states and enforce mask wearing at their own will. That should be concerning tbh...

All the Patriots protesting lockdowns and mask wearing are nowhere to be found now cuz team Republican wouldn't dare lie :cryWhat state is locked down at this point?

[TheGreatYacht]

What state is locked down at this point?

Playgrounds are locked down. Beaches are closed. Mandatory mask wearing is on full force. You're okay with this. Let me correct myself, it is not enough for Chumpettes. Snitch.

[TheGreatYacht]

.

[TheGreatYacht]

.

[ChumpDumper]

Playgrounds are locked down. Beaches are closed. Mandatory mask wearing is on full force. You're okay with this. Let me correct myself, it is not enough for Chumpettes. Snitch.So, just to be clear -- no states are locked down.

:tu

Are the thousands of people in hospitals with COVID-19 crisis actors?

[TheGreatYacht]

But it's not enough. We need total lockdowns. People should be forced to wear goggles cuz that's what Anthony Fauci said so :cry

So, just to be clear -- no states are locked down.

:tu

Are the thousands of people in hospitals with COVID-19 crisis actors?

Why don't you find out for yourself? Go to different hospitals and start recording the thousands of sick patients. Show us the traffic jammed hospitals and full loaded parking lots. Then post it on Spurstalk and tell us what you find. Go get me proof that CNN isn't lying to us. Wake me up.

[ChumpDumper]

Why don't you find out for yourself? Go to different hospitals and start recording the thousands of sick patients. Show us the traffic jammed hospitals and full loaded parking lots. Then post it on Spurstalk and tell us what you find. Go get me proof that CNN isn't lying to us. Wake me up.So, to be clear, you don't think the thousands of people in hospitals right now are crisis actors.

:tu

We're making progress.

[TSA]

I don't think anybody here in the US is trying to 'suppress' anything. It's clear that health authorities, like the FDA, the CDC, the WHO, etc, have gone through the panoply of available studies and concluded the drug is not useful enough to treat covid.

To the point that some of them have gone back and forth on this. Not to mention, there's now better options that are proven to be more effective.

What I question is if there's a political bone to pick here that keeps pumping this drug. Lists like the one you posted give credence to that.



Yeah, not a study. Right there on the link:

Ethical approval
This analysis is part of the study approved by Ethic Committee Area 1, Milan Italy (2020/ST/049 and 2020/ST/049_BIS, 11/03/2020).

And, again, the conclusion spelled out in the letter is exactly what I quoted.

Introduction

In the history of medicine, no single drug has been so singularly attacked by the media, World Health Organization, government officials and institutional health experts as hydroxychloroquine. Approved as a “safe and cost-effective” essential medicine by the WHO, CDC and regulatory authorities across Europe, hydroxychloroquine has been prescribed to millions of patients over the past 65 years. Despite decades of known safety, hydroxychloroquine was labelled “dangerous” and a “poisonous substance” after showing promise as a therapeutic for COVID-19.

Many attribute this negative publicity to anti-Trump sentiment from mainstream media outlets including CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times and Huffington Post. This thesis does not entirely hold up to scrutiny though. President Trump named both hydroxychloroquine and Gilead’s remdesivir as a “game changer” in his breaking March 19th press conference.

There are promising therapies produced by Gilead, and that’s remdesivir. Remdesivir. And that’s a drug used for other purposes that’s been out and has had very good results for other purposes, but it seems to have a very good result, having to do with this virus...So you have remdesivir and you have chloroquine and hydro- — hydroxychloroquine. So those are two that are out now, essentially approved for prescribed use. And I think it’s going to be very exciting. I think it could be a game changer...Very powerful. They’re very powerful.

- President Donald J. Trump, March 19th, 2020. 11:31 AM EDT [1]

At the time of the press conference, there was only in vitro evidence of remdesivir’s effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2. No clinical trial existed showing remdesivir to be effective. [2] The preliminary results from the NIH clinical trial were not available until over a month later on April 29. [3] The evidence of its efficacy primarily stemmed from a few in vitro studies that included an article published in the Nature-owned journal Cell Research. Interestingly, the Nature publication demonstrated that both remdesivir and chloroquine were effective against SARS-CoV-2, stating “remdesivir and chloroquine are highly effective in the control of 2019-nCoV infection in vitro.” [4] While there was only in vitro evidence of successes with remdesivir, there was both in vitro and clinical evidence of hydroxychloroquine’s efficacy. [5] Nevertheless, scientists, including Dr. Fauci, as well as the WHO and media outlets worldwide criticized Trump for providing false hope on the therapeutic effect of hydroxychloroquine while staying quiet about remdesivir.

The effort to undermine hydroxychloroquine appears to have begun months prior to Trump’s announcement. Chloroquine was first shown to have strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection in primate cells back in the 2005 publication Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection. [6] Pharmaceutical companies were likely aware that if hydroxychloroquine was shown to be effective against SARS-CoV-2 it would diminish the value of patented therapeutics or vaccines. Through lobbying efforts, regulation may have been the first step to control the availability of hydroxychloroquine.

This may have been what occurred in France. Hydroxychloroquine was available without prescription in France for years. This came to an end on January 13, 2020, when hydroxychloroquine was classified “in all its forms” as a “list II poisonous substance.” [7] After decades of widespread use, hydroxychloroquine quickly became a restricted substance in France in the earliest days of the COVID-19 pandemic. Just several weeks later, Dr. Didier Raoult in the South of France would report his landmark clinical trial demonstrating hydroxychloroquine’s efficacy against COVID-19. [5]

Why was hydroxychloroquine—a drug safely used for over half a century—aggressively labeled dangerous while a medication that proved ineffective for hepatitis C with an unknown safety profile got a pass? Herein I outline the evidence showing hydroxychloroquine to be a direct threat to Gilead’s success as well as the massive sphere of influence Gilead has over government taskforces, the World Health Organization, medical journals, academic institutions and research scientists. These organizations provided ammunition for the media’s war on doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine.

Remdesivir vs hydroxychloroquine

Gilead’s stock rises and falls based on the successes and failures of both hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir. Immediately before Trump first announced hydroxychloroquine as a promising therapeutic for COVID-19, GILD traded at a local high of $85 per share, a price unattained since early 2018. Hours after Trump’s press conference, GILD dropped 8.7%, and then continued to plummet to $69 per share the following week—erasing $21 billion from its market cap in mere days. Immediately after Dr. Fauci announced the success of remdesivir in the NIH trial, GILD stock surged back to $85 per share. Compared to the largest pharmaceutical companies by revenue, Gilead has consistently outperformed in this pandemic with GILD gaining over 20% YTD while most of its competition struggled with losses or meager gains. This growth is almost certainly attributed to remdesivir’s promise as an effective treatment for COVID-19.

Gilead has a direct financial incentive for hydroxychloroquine to fail. Actually, based on its share price, Gilead has 21 billion reasons to discredit hydroxychloroquine. Perhaps no other company has more to gain in the immediate future from hydroxychloroquine’s failure than Gilead.

Medical journals

Medical journals have increasingly become marketing machines for big pharma. This has been openly stated by editors of even the highest impact medical journals. Back in 2003, Richard Horton, editor-in-chief of The Lancet wrote, "The business climate for most modern medical journals, whether in the for-profit or non-profit sector, is strongly pro-pharmaceutical industry…In this environment, I know that it can be difficult for editors to raise questions about the ethics and marketing tactics of pharmaceutical companies..." [8] The following year Horton again bemoaned the influence of big pharma stating, “Journals have devolved into information laundering operations for the pharmaceutical industry.” [9] Similarly, Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, excoriated the industry in her book The Truth About the Drug Companies saying, "Now primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, this industry uses its wealth and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the U.S. Congress, the Food and Drug Administration, academic medical centers, and the medical profession itself. (Most of its marketing efforts are focused on influencing doctors, since they must write the prescriptions.)" [10]

Although written in 2004, Marcia Angell’s comments are especially prescient in the current setting of the promotion of remdesivir over hydroxychloroquine. In marketing alone, the situation has only worsened over the past two decades. According to researchers at Dartmouth College, the US pharmaceutical industry increased total spending on marketing from $17.7 billion in 1997 to nearly $30 billion in 2016. The strategy was successful with US spending on prescription drugs ballooning from $117 billion to $329 billion during this time. [11] Advertising and sponsorships are a substantial source of revenue for most medical journals comprising up to 80% of publishing revenue for some journals. [12] Likely less publicly vocal today than over a decade ago due to growing control of big pharma, editors still secretly complain about the influence of big pharma. Just recently, Philippe Douste-Blazy, former French Minister of Health and Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations, reported a leaked conversation from a conference where editors-in-chief of both The Lancet and NEJM bemoaned big pharma’s control over publishing, “These meetings that are completely behind closed doors, only with experts. No one can record, no one is taking any pictures…but still, there was a meeting the other day of the directors of scientific journals like The Lancet, The New England Journal of Medicine…and it ended up leaked. The Lancet’s boss, Horton, said ‘Now we are not going to be able to, basically, if this continues publish any more clinical research data because the pharmaceutical companies are so financially powerful today and are able to use such methodologies, as to have us accept papers which are apparently methodologically perfect, but which, in reality, manage to conclude what they want to conclude.’”[13] The reality is that without advertising revenue, most medical journals would go bankrupt. The unfortunate downside is that the very survival of journals relies on keeping big pharma happy at the expense of scientific truths.

The Lancet may have chosen satisfying Gilead over scientific truths when it published a fraudulent study showing that hydroxychloroquine increased mortality and lethal arrythmias in COVID-19 patients.

On May 22, 2020, The Lancet published a peer-reviewed, observational study comparing hydroxychloroquine to standard therapy in 96,032 hospitalized COVID-19 patients. [14] Almost immediately afterwards, the WHO suspended all clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine because of safety concerns. [15] Dr. Fauci also commented on the dangers of hydroxychloroquine, telling CNN’s Jim Sciutto that it likely causes "adverse events with regard to cardiovascular." [16]

Independent researchers not beholden to big pharma quickly recognized the study to be predicated on a likely fraudulent dataset that included an impossible number of COVID-19 patients or deaths and an improbable number of partnerships with hospitals. Almost laughable if not for the gravity of the malfeasance, the dataset was provided by the unknown corporation Surgisphere with only five employees that included a science fiction writer and erotic model-for-hire posing as the Director of Sales. [17] Facing overwhelming evidence that the study was fraudulent, the authors retracted the study in less than two weeks from the date of publication. [18]

One could argue that the publication of this study was a mere oversight by The Lancet. That is, a study that slipped through the peer-review process. Let’s speculate for a moment, however, on what the strategy would be to publish a fraudulent study discrediting hydroxychloroquine.

Step 1. Establish plausible deniability by relying on an external corporation to provide the dataset. Surgisphere.

Step 2. Delete any digital footprint that could jeopardize the integrity of the data source. Surgisphere’s website is not included in the Internet Archives.

Step 3. Establish a track record of publications in high impact journals that would lend legitimacy to the Surgisphere dataset. The authors had just enough time to publish in NEJM the study Cardiovascular Disease, Drug Therapy, and Mortality in Covid-19 using the Surgisphere dataset. (This study was later retracted as well.) [19]

Step 4. Select a lead author with impeccable credentials. Dr. Mandeep Mehra is a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, the William Harvey Distinguished Chair in Advanced Cardiovascular Medicine and the medical director of the Brigham Heart and Vascular Center in Boston. [20]

Step 5. Obfuscate the dataset as much as possible so that its integrity would be difficult to definitively invalidate. Patient data in The Lancet study was categorized by continent such that even the countries supposedly participating in the dataset were hidden.

Step 6. Publish the study in a prestigious medical journal with the comfort of knowing that it will immediately garner the support of the WHO, Dr. Fauci and influential scientists worldwide. The Lancet.

Despite all the above hypothetical steps, through the power of social media platforms such as Twitter, independent researchers were able to collaborate to quickly debunk the study.

The motivation for the above actions is admittedly still unclear. The connection between Gilead and the study authors is tenuous. What is known is that both Dr. Mehra and Dr. Sapan Desai (founder of Surgisphere) have openly praised remdesivir in various interviews and tweets. Of note though, Dr. Mehra was one of just a few experts selected to speak at a Gilead sponsored COVID-19 conference live-streamed by thousands of experts worldwide in early April. [21] Without a formal investigation into this affair, it is likely the motivation—be it attention seeking or the meddling of big pharma—will never be fully revealed.

The authors and Lancet were not the only involved parties though. The WHO suspended worldwide clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine based on this study.

World Health Organization

Gilead helps fund the WHO. Gilead Sciences provided 0.12% of the WHO’s funding for the biennium of 2018-19—more than doubling its contribution from the prior biennium. [22] This may seem like an insignificant percentage, but it’s important to note that China contributed just 0.21%, Italy 0.48% and Spain 0.06% of the WHO’s funding. With the exception of Sanofi, Gilead gave more to the WHO than any other pharmaceutical company. With remdesivir approved as a standard therapy for COVID-19, I suspect Gilead will further increase its contributions to become the largest pharmaceutical donor in the 2020-2021 biennium. While Gilead may appear philanthropic, one must wonder how ethical it is for organizations making global recommendations on therapeutics to receive substantial funding from big pharma.

This conflict of interest is suspicious considering the WHO’s dogged criticism of hydroxychloroquine while praising remdesivir. In late February 2020, WHO assistant director-general Bruce Aylward said: “There is only one drug right now that we think may have real efficacy and that’s remdesivir.” [23] This statement is peculiar because just two weeks prior on February 5, an article was published in Cell Research titled “Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV).” [4] Despite only in vitro evidence of efficacy for both medications, remdesivir was touted as a potential therapeutic while hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine were completely disregarded. It was only after grassroots investigators James Todaro, MD and Gregory Rigano published an article on chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19 that caught the attention Elon Musk and President Trump did the WHO begin clinical exploration of hydroxychloroquine. [24]

Through various actions and inactions, the WHO provided little support for clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine. The WHO did nothing to dispel the myth that hydroxychloroquine was dangerous throughout April and May. We now know that the WHO was collaborating with Oxford University researchers, who were giving patients doses of hydroxychloroquine exceeding four times that of treatment courses administered by Drs. Raoult and Zelenko. [25] Surely if hydroxychloroquine was dangerous, these high doses would not have been administered with the WHO’s blessing. Nevertheless, the WHO remained quiet allowing the narrative of hydroxychloroquine’s harmful effects to grow resulting in diminishing enrollment in clinical trials.

Inaction turned into action when the WHO aggressively suspended its clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine in May 2020, after The Lancet published its fraudulent observational study. This bombshell announcement was splashed across media headlines reaching millions of patients and healthcare providers alike and deterring not just enrollment in its own SOLIDARITY trial, but also clinical trials outside the purview of the WHO. The WHO made this decision without any independent assessment of the study’s veracity. Soumya Swaminathan, chief scientist for the WHO, openly admitted the WHO’s mistake by stating, “It is [very] difficult for us to check data quality of each published paper & we trust authors to adhere to basic [standards]. HCQ restarted today after data safety committee approval.” [26] It’s very surprising that an organization such as the WHO employing over 7000 people and receiving over $2 billion annually to investigate potential therapeutics for COVID-19 issued guidance based on a study that unpaid independent researchers debunked just a few days later.

US Government

The pharmaceuticals and health products spent $295 million in lobbying efforts in the United States which places it in 1st place in money spent on lobbying. For comparison, the insurance industry and automotive industry only spent $155 million and $69 million in 2019, respectively. [27] In 2019, Gilead spent nearly $6 million in political lobbying efforts. This number is on track to reach record highs in 2020 as Gilead has spent already nearly $2.5 million on lobbying in just Q1 of 2020. [28] The money appears to be well spent. The exclusive NIH COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel that informs US clinicians how to care for patients is occupied by 8-9 experts who have received financial support from Gilead. [29]

Academic medical centers and scientists

To compile all of the thousands of scientists and research institutions who have received funding from Gilead would take weeks of effort. However, it is noteworthy that some of the most vehement critics of hydroxychloroquine have conflicts of interest with Gilead. Just for example, in the New York Times feature He Was a Science Star. Then He Promoted a Questionable Cure for Covid-19, [30] all three scientists (Karine Lacombe, Christine Rouzioux, and Jean-Michel Molina) criticizing Dr. Raoult and his study are either on Gilead's advisory board and/or received funding from Gilead. [31] [32] [33] Notably, the New York Times article fails to mention these conflicts of interest.

Some other notable examples include Stanford University School of Medicine that conducted two clinical trials on remdesivir (one funded by the NIH and the other by Gilead); University of Alabama at Birmingham who received funding from the NIAID to develop remdesivir (of note, Dr. Richard Whitley, principal investigator of the $37.5 million dollar NIAID grant, is on the board of directors for Gilead).

Conclusion

Gilead’s influence over the process of clinical investigation and approval of therapeutics is undeniable. A direct threat to remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine has likely been in Gilead’s crosshairs for months.

https://omnij.org/Gilead:_Twenty-one_billion_reasons_to_discredit_hydroxychloroquin e_(ORIGINAL_ARTICLE)

[ElNono]

Introduction

Opinion and speculation.

Dexamethasone has been a 'threat' Remdesivir just as much, yet, it's uncontroversial for some reason, same with convalescent plasma... which is why that write up doesn't make a lot of sense.

[pgardn]

which studies do you specifically take issue with?

The ones that lead the best minds in the country to say the stuff does not work.
Neither you or I read all of these as our area of expertise.
But expertise is exactly what you will go against because thats what you do.
You find info very few can, feel proud about it because you have, and then repeat it and get shit on.

This is a common theme with the Trumpys.
Go against people who do this as their life work, because you are special.
You see patterns no one else can. You are special delivery pizza.

That list in itself is not a list an expert in the field would make. You find it from some other person who sees things others cant, put in what appears all the studies that have ever been done with no real understanding about the people who write them or what they say, and add em up. This is what you did.

I read the one in 2005 that has been posted on here several times, and people (not you) put this up as a "see it works."
And that paper does absolutely nothing of the sort. So I get YOUR list.

[Blake]

You believe in the hoax virus :lol

TSA is defending doctors wearing a lab coat that found a cure for a virus that doesn't exist :lol

Both of you are sperm shielding for criminal big pharma and medical industries :lol

Both of you don't know that you are useful idiots for the establishment :lol

Spurtacular, that's how the establishment fools the masses. Even your fellow Trumpsters fall hook, line and sinker.

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[Winehole23]

gossip:

I read an article in an Indian blog about positive study results for HCQ used as a preventative, prior to the course of the treatment.

Something to do with the Indian subcontinent being in a malaria zone, maybe? HCQ is anti-malarial, right?

[TSA]

The ones that lead the best minds in the country to say the stuff does not work.
Neither you or I read all of these as our area of expertise.
But expertise is exactly what you will go against because thats what you do.
You find info very few can, feel proud about it because you have, and then repeat it and get shit on.

This is a common theme with the Trumpys.
Go against people who do this as their life work, because you are special.
You see patterns no one else can. You are special delivery pizza.

That list in itself is not a list an expert in the field would make. You find it from some other person who sees things others cant, put in what appears all the studies that have ever been done with no real understanding about the people who write them or what they say, and add em up. This is what you did.

I read the one in 2005 that has been posted on here several times, and people (not you) put this up as a "see it works."
And that paper does absolutely nothing of the sort. So I get YOUR list.

Who are the best minds in the country in your opinion? And you don’t think the people doing the studies I linked do this as their life’s work?

[ChumpDumper]

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[Winehole23]

gossip:

I read an article in an Indian blog about positive study results for HCQ used as a preventative, prior to the course of the treatment.

Something to do with the Indian subcontinent being in a malaria zone, maybe? HCQ is anti-malarial, right?If malaria is a co-morbidity, it stands to reason an anti-malarial drug might be indicated as a preventive for malaria, to mitigate the impact of COVID-19.

[TSA]

gossip:

I read an article in an Indian blog about positive study results for HCQ used as a preventative, prior to the course of the treatment.

Something to do with the Indian subcontinent being in a malaria zone, maybe? HCQ is anti-malarial, right?

They not only used it in Dharavi as a preventative but also a treatment.

[Winehole23]

They not only used it in Dharavi as a preventative but also a treatment.Cool, please share your source.

[pgardn]

Who are the best minds in the country in your opinion? And you don’t think the people doing the studies I linked do this as their life’s work?

Fauci is the 2005 article on your own list moonbat.
Did you read it or get it off some Qanon list.

I dont know all of them of course. I work in a different area. But I do know Fauci has done fantastic work in the past, made many mistakes with the AIDS virus and then solved or had offshoot studies done by others. There are people who do work in science that is not necessarily good just like any other pursuit. And there are people that know who the top people are that many times disagree but all do good work. Look for a list from Fauci and give us the list since you are interested. And the people he think are good will know other top notch people. We would know these names well if we had some sort of leadership on the federal level. But, but... they are mainstream, you and Trump know better!

So where did your table/list come from?

[TSA]

Cool, please share your source.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dharavi+Covid+HCQ

[ChumpDumper]

Did you read it or get it off some Qanon list.:lol

[Blake]

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:lol

[TSA]

Fauci is the 2005 article on your own list moonbat.
Did you read it or get it off some Qanon list.

I dont know all of them of course. I work in a different area. But I do know Fauci has done fantastic work in the past, made many mistakes with the AIDS virus and then solved or had offshoot studies done by others. There are people who do work in science that is not necessarily good just like any other pursuit. And there are people that know who the top people are that many times disagree but all do good work. Look for a list from Fauci and give us the list since you are interested. And the people he think are good will know other top notch people. We would know these names well if we had some sort of leadership on the federal level. But, but... they are mainstream, you and Trump know better!

So where did your table/list come from?

So Fauci, who you admit made many mistakes on a previous virus, is the best mind we should listen to? No other people around the world who dedicate their life to this should be listened to because...Fauci?

[pgardn]

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dharavi+Covid+HCQ

funny...

tap out.

[Winehole23]

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dharavi+Covid+HCQare you ashamed of your source?

[TSA]

are you ashamed of your source?

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/hydroxychloroquine-maharashtra-mumbai-dharavi-rajesh-tope-coronavirus-pandemic-1670927-2020-04-25

[midnightpulp]

gossip:

I read an article in an Indian blog about positive study results for HCQ used as a preventative, prior to the course of the treatment.

Something to do with the Indian subcontinent being in a malaria zone, maybe? HCQ is anti-malarial, right?

My skepticism about HCQ being responsible for any success India is having is because India checks the most important boxes on whether or not you're likely to suffer a severe Covid infection.

- Obesity in India has reached epidemic proportions in the 21st century, with morbid obesity affecting 5% of the country's population.

- The median age in India was 26.8 years old in 2015.

vs.

- With the latest data from the NHANES showing that 39.6 percent of adults and 18.5 percent of children ages 2 to 19 in America have obesity, the State of Obesity report noted that “these are the highest rates ever documented by NHANES.”

- The nation's median age was 38.2 in 2018

And HCQ wasn't "suppressed" here. Green highlighted line.

https://i.imgur.com/7UW04yj.png

I'm sure some truthers might conclude all the nation's doctors got on a million strong conference call and decided to stop using it in order to hurt Lord Trump. But Occam's Razor suggest the drug just doesn't work. Perhaps as a prophylactic, but that's difficult to prove.

[Winehole23]

My skepticism about HCQ being responsible for any success India is having is because India checks the most important boxes on whether or not you're likely to suffer a severe Covid infection.

- Obesity in India has reached epidemic proportions in the 21st century, with morbid obesity affecting 5% of the country's population.

- The median age in India was 26.8 years old in 2015.

vs.

- With the latest data from the NHANES showing that 39.6 percent of adults and 18.5 percent of children ages 2 to 19 in America have obesity, the State of Obesity report noted that “these are the highest rates ever documented by NHANES.”

- The nation's median age was 38.2 in 2018

And HCQ wasn't "suppressed" here. Green highlighted line.

https://i.imgur.com/7UW04yj.png

I'm sure some truthers might conclude all the nation's doctors got on a million strong conference call and decided to stop using it in order to hurt Lord Trump. But Occam's Razor suggest the drug just doesn't work. Perhaps as a prophylactic, but that's difficult to prove.Thanks for the detailed reply, TSA just sent a bare link and there was nothing there but journalistic verification that doctors in India are giving HCQ to people in quarantine.

[pgardn]

So Fauci, who you admit made many mistakes on a previous virus, is the best mind we should listen to? No other people around the world who dedicate their life to this should be listened to because...Fauci?

Did you read the entire response.

Oh I added a little more for your edification possibly after you posted of how science should/could be working with the federal government on this... Kind of like we used to do on space missions and building a large sophisticated military.

But its only a virus... that will disappear some day (he got that right with no time limit)

[pgardn]

The ones that lead the best minds in the country to say the stuff does not work.
Neither you or I read all of these as our area of expertise.
But expertise is exactly what you will go against because thats what you do.
You find info very few can, feel proud about it because you have, and then repeat it and get shit on.

This is a common theme with the Trumpys.
Go against people who do this as their life work, because you are special.
You see patterns no one else can. You are special delivery pizza.

That list in itself is not a list an expert in the field would make. You find it from some other person who sees things others cant, put in what appears all the studies that have ever been done with no real understanding about the people who write them or what they say, and add em up. This is what you did.

I read the one in 2005 that has been posted on here several times, and people (not you) put this up as a "see it works."
And that paper does absolutely nothing of the sort. So I get YOUR list.

Edited about 5 min after original post to not give you the feeling Fauci is a very good scientist but of course he has to rely on help.
Biology is really complex in case you have not gathered this.

[Winehole23]

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/hydroxychloroquine-maharashtra-mumbai-dharavi-rajesh-tope-coronavirus-pandemic-1670927-2020-04-25Thanks, man.

I see no link to scientific lit, this is anecdotal, eh?

[TheGreatYacht]

Yet you probably buy their propaganda of Hydroxyclhoriquine. Anthony Fauci, the man in charge of this scamdemic was being honest back then? Hmmm 🤔 explain that to me please.

Those doctors are controlled opposition PURPOSELY censored that were promoting another drug for a virus that doesn't exist.

Man the elite tactics work for you Trump supporters, hook, line and sinker. I don't know how you guys can't see this.

My guess is you have this mentality of "You see? Trump said ot works! Those doctors with lab coats said Hydroxyclhoriquine works too! They got censored so they must be telling the the truth!!"

You people fall for the divide and conquer strategy by the elites so easily. They control the left vs right or Democrats vs Republicans. They plan everything. They are smart they know how you guys think. Psychological warfare.

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[TheGreatYacht]

Chumpettes believe in the hoax virus :lol

TSA is defending doctors wearing a lab coat that found a cure for a virus that doesn't exist :lol

Both of you are sperm shielding for criminal big pharma and medical industries :lol

Both of you don't know that you are useful idiots for the establishment :lol

Spurtacular, that's how the establishment fools the masses. Even your fellow Trumpsters fall hook, line and sinker.

/thread

[ChumpDumper]

/threadAre all the dead crisis actors?

[TheGreatYacht]

Another controlled opposition actor playing a role. Don’t take the bait. She made her entrance onto the world stage after having ‘’33 years experience in the medical field’’ If you need reminding there are 33 degrees in the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry

Signs and symbols rule the world.

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v v v Don’t forget the serpent logo on her shirt as well!!
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^^^ Triple "6" in freemasonry incase anyone is wondering
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[Blake]

What's up with Tom Hanks there

[TheGreatYacht]

What's up with Tom Hanks there

According to the Qtards, he's supposed to be locked up or dead.

[Blake]

According to the Qtards, he's supposed to be locked up or dead.

I don't even know what means.

[SnakeBoy]

Serpent logo on her shirt :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Serpent logo on her shirt :lol


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[Blake]

So you never go to the doctor, huh