View Full Version : Epic fail: Trump and Pompeo order Iran snapback sanctions of a deal they quit years ago lol
hater
08-20-2020, 03:36 PM
:lmao
This is the stupidest diplomatic move I have ever seen? Or what am I missing?
https://twitter.com/jahimes/status/1296540809114857473?s=19
Germany, france and brittain immediately reject Trumps move because....
THE US QUIT THE IRAN DEAL YEARS AGO :lmao
What the fuck are they doing out there???
Pompoopoo :lmao
Unles Im fucking missing something this is the worst most stupid embarrasing move in the history of the United Nations :lmao
hater
08-20-2020, 03:42 PM
https://twitter.com/HassanElTayyab/status/1296544639600586752?s=19
:lmao Pompeo and Trump are like 2 filthy pigs that just broke into a chess tournament :lmao
Dear lord
I might abstain from voting again nigs :lol
hater
08-20-2020, 03:43 PM
Its a dark day for Trump today :lol
Splits
08-20-2020, 04:04 PM
from her tiny prison cell...
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Ef-man
08-20-2020, 04:07 PM
Trump winning!
ChumpDumper
08-20-2020, 04:18 PM
from her tiny prison cell...
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hater
08-21-2020, 08:37 AM
:lmao
https://twitter.com/s_m_marandi/status/1296723849350979584?s=19
hater
08-21-2020, 08:39 AM
:lol :lol :lol
https://twitter.com/BellYusri/status/1296726812186165248?s=19
Winehole23
08-21-2020, 09:47 AM
Daniel Larison, analytical as ever
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Winehole23
08-21-2020, 09:51 AM
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hater
08-21-2020, 09:55 AM
Daniel Larison, analytical as ever
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Maybe there will be a legal fight?
I read that US plan was to trigger the snapback and the states that disagree had 30 days to get a rejection approved. Russia and China mainly.
But everyone looked at US as if they were nuts because they obviously quit the agreement. Maybe US will fight to say that agreement, it was impossible for one side to quit. But that would go against all the rhetoric and boasting Trump did las 2 years.
Crazy days. Its a chaos strategy IMO. Fight for everything even reality. US will eventually say sky is red not blue and fight for this to keep countries puzzled and occupied
Winehole23
08-21-2020, 10:10 AM
Maybe there will be a legal fight?
I read that US plan was to trigger the snapback and the states that disagree had 30 days to get a rejection approved. Russia and China mainly.
But everyone looked at US as if they were nuts because they obviously quit the agreement. Maybe US will fight to say that agreement, it was impossible for one side to quit. But that would go against all the rhetoric and boasting Trump did las 2 years.
Crazy days. Its a chaos strategy IMO. Fight for everything even reality. US will eventually say sky is red not blue and fight for this to keep countries puzzled and occupiedAre you high?
The US has no standing to trigger any provision of the JPCOA. This battle is already lost, unless, as Larison supposes, the real aim is to burnish domestic political support by stigmatizing the UNSC for "standing with" the evil Iranians.
hater
08-21-2020, 10:49 AM
Dont blame me its trump and the US state department who are high as fuck :lol
hater
08-21-2020, 03:22 PM
Are you high?
The US has no standing to trigger any provision of the JPCOA. This battle is already lost, unless, as Larison supposes, the real aim is to burnish domestic political support by stigmatizing the UNSC for "standing with" the evil Iranians.
From RT. They got it right. I knew there was more to this.
A likely outcome will be that the Security Council fails to recognize the US submission of a resolution, followed by the US refusing to recognize the Security Council’s ability to prevent such a resolution from being submitted. The US will seek to submit the resolution, then immediately veto it, and claim that the “snap back” has been accomplished. The rest of the Security Council will reject this action, and deem the JCPOA to be in play, free of UN sanctions. The US will then sanction any party which fails to comply with the UN sanctions.
If this were in fact to occur, it would mean the functional death of the UN Security Council, an outcome many in the Trump administration appear willing to live with. Faced with the inevitability of this outcome, some members–especially the French, Germans and Brits–may be compelled to reexamine their position on the lifting of the arms embargo, seeking a compromise solution that salvages the JCPOA while denying Iran access to Russian and Chinese armaments. This may be the goal of the US all along. If so, it is an extremely dangerous one that is based on a false predicate, namely that there is a combination of economic and diplomatic pressure that can be placed on Iran to compel it to renegotiate the JCPOA. Simply put, there is not, and for the Trump administration to proceed as if there is only endangers regional and international peace and security.
Looks like Trump will play a game of chicken with UN security council.
Looks like pussy Britain, France and Germany will again submit and try their hardest to find a compromise to avoid a total UN security council obliteration.
If Trump wins hes a damn beast. If he loses, everyone loses as the UN security council will basically become obsolete. :wow
hater
08-21-2020, 03:31 PM
From ma niga moon of alabama
The U.S. hopes to pressure Iran until it formally declares the deal dead. That could then give pretext for launching a larger conflict against the country. But as long as the other deal members hold up their commitments Iran is likely to stick to the deal.
The U.S. therefore swings the wreaking ball that it calls foreign policy against anyone who still supports the deal.
The U.S. will now pretend that its illegal move triggered the 30 days period that is foreseen in resolution 2231 before sanctions would come back. In 30 days it will pretend that the UN sanctions are back. After that the U.S. will sanctions those countries which ignore UN sanctions against Iran that do not exist:
The United States will not hesitate to impose sanctions on any nation that opposes its effort to "snapback" United Nations sanctions on Iran, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told "Special Report" Wednesday night.
"When we have seen any country violate our current sanctions, the current American sanctions, we have held every nation accountable for that," Pompeo told host Bret Baier. "We will do the same with respect to the broader U.N. Security Council sanctions as well."
I hope that the U.S. will follow through on this. The more it sanctions left and right for totally irrational reasons the more incentives will other countries have to build mechanisms that make U.S. sanctions ineffective and useless. Russia has already done that and China to some extend. The Europeans should have done this long ago but are only now considering it seriously.
There are also counter measures that could and should be considered. A European tax on digital products would seriously hurt Google, Facebook, Ebay and other U.S. companies. When their profits and stocks drop the Trump administration might learn that wreaking balls have the tendency to swing back.
Hopefully he is right. I just dont put much stock on courage of the pussy ass EU nations
ChumpDumper
08-21-2020, 03:33 PM
I think they all might wait out the election at this point.
hater
08-21-2020, 03:35 PM
I think they all might wait out the election at this point.
Cant. Theres 30 day timer going on. At 30 days USA will feel they have green light. Trump will pull the trigger we know that
ChumpDumper
08-21-2020, 03:39 PM
Cant. Theres 30 day timer going on. At 30 days USA will feel they have green light. Trump will pull the trigger we know thatRight. I can see their tolerating sanctions for a time or making the end runs China and Russia have.
hater
08-21-2020, 03:47 PM
Right. I can see their tolerating sanctions for a time or making the end runs China and Russia have.
They would be banking on Trump losing the election which is about a 50/50 shot.
Risk your economy from total US obliteration on a 50% shot?
Its the pussy eurotrash we are talking about. My call is that they will fold if they cannot prevent US from triggering snapbacks
ChumpDumper
08-21-2020, 03:50 PM
They would be banking on Trump losing the election which is about a 50/50 shot.
Risk your economy from total US obliteration on a 50% shot?
Its the pussy eurotrash we are talking about. My call is that they will fold if they cannot prevent US from triggering snapbacksIt wouldn't be obliteration, especially if they can mitigate like MoA says.
A depression is the best time for Trump to start a trade war. Only good things can happen.:tu
Spurminator
08-21-2020, 04:13 PM
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The Democrat bench is not inspiring but holy shit this is depressing.
Will Hunting
08-21-2020, 04:25 PM
The Democrat bench is not inspiring but holy shit this is depressing.
If Trump loses there's no way to predict who wins in 2024, especially if he loses big. I could see them doubling down on the authoritarian shit and going with Tom Cotton, or going more moderate and trying to appeal to a wider base with someone like Rubio. It's a totally unknown range of outcomes.
Meanwhile if Trump wins the rest of the party might legit be too scared to challenge Don Jr. in 2024.
Will Hunting
08-21-2020, 04:31 PM
Actually nevermind, if Trump wins we're going to be at 25% unemployment by 2024 with a median household income under $40k and tens of millions of homeless people living in modern day Hoovervilles. There would be an unimaginable amount of infighting in that scenario.
RandomGuy
08-21-2020, 04:34 PM
:lmao
This is the stupidest diplomatic move I have ever seen? Or what am I missing?
https://twitter.com/jahimes/status/1296540809114857473?s=19
Germany, france and brittain immediately reject Trumps move because....
THE US QUIT THE IRAN DEAL YEARS AGO :lmao
What the fuck are they doing out there???
Pompoopoo :lmao
Unles Im fucking missing something this is the worst most stupid embarrasing move in the history of the United Nations :lmao
You're not.
That is where the US is... a laughing stock.
RandomGuy
08-21-2020, 04:39 PM
If Trump loses there's no way to predict who wins in 2024, especially if he loses big. I could see them doubling down on the authoritarian shit and going with Tom Cotton, or going more moderate and trying to appeal to a wider base with someone like Rubio. It's a totally unknown range of outcomes.
Meanwhile if Trump wins the rest of the party might legit be too scared to challenge Don Jr. in 2024.
The Grifting Old Party will have to live with the Trump Taint for the rest of my kids' lives, they have lost an entire generation. Doubling down on old white people is not a long term strategy for any national party.
Democrats are simply going to be favored to win the white house for the rest of my life, unless something changes. One or two more cycles will see Texas fully in play, and that will be the end of it.
Will Hunting
08-21-2020, 04:45 PM
The Grifting Old Party will have to live with the Trump Taint for the rest of my kids' lives, they have lost an entire generation. Doubling down on old white people is not a long term strategy for any national party.
Democrats are simply going to be favored to win the white house for the rest of my life, unless something changes. One or two more cycles will see Texas fully in play, and that will be the end of it.
Yeah I thought Texas was more distant than it actually is. Beto came within 2 points despite uneducated whites having much higher turnout than any other demographic, and even though I think Biden shouldn’t waste money there I think it’s in play.
imo the Dem candidate who would do best in a general election is Yang, but I don’t see him ever winning a primary.
baseline bum
08-21-2020, 04:57 PM
Actually nevermind, if Trump wins we're going to be at 25% unemployment by 2024 with a median household income under $40k and tens of millions of homeless people living in modern day Hoovervilles. There would be an unimaginable amount of infighting in that scenario.
He'll just fix the election and win with 80% of the vote
baseline bum
08-21-2020, 05:01 PM
The Grifting Old Party will have to live with the Trump Taint for the rest of my kids' lives, they have lost an entire generation. Doubling down on old white people is not a long term strategy for any national party.
Democrats are simply going to be favored to win the white house for the rest of my life, unless something changes. One or two more cycles will see Texas fully in play, and that will be the end of it.
It took less than two years before everyone forgot Bush and put the GOP back in power in the house in 2010. There will always be a competitive GOP.
ChumpDumper
08-21-2020, 05:04 PM
It took less than two years before everyone forgot Bush and put the GOP back in power in the house in 2010. There will always be a competitive GOP.No shit. They talked themselves out of Watergate in six.
RandomGuy
08-21-2020, 05:05 PM
Yeah I thought Texas was more distant than it actually is. Beto came within 2 points despite uneducated whites having much higher turnout than any other demographic, and even though I think Biden shouldn’t waste money there I think it’s in play.
imo the Dem candidate who would do best in a general election is Yang, but I don’t see him ever winning a primary.
Cruz is deeply unpopular, so his squeeker was to be expected.
Texas 2016:
Clinton: 3,877,868 43.24%
Trump: 4,685,047 52.23%
A wave election that is moving the dial 5-10%, puts Texas in play at the upper end of that scale. 800k Votes is a lot to move that by though.
Still, tick tock. I am mindful of the kids in my wifes classes... they are PISSED, and it jibes with what my own High schooler reports in his classes.
Don't mean shit because these kids won't vote in any numbers, but you can't have the steady democraphic drip drip drip forever and NOT flip the state.
The net migration is probably accelerating that trend. Rest of the country is not as red as Texas historically, so even a mild tilt will accelerate taht over a decade or so.
Will Hunting
08-21-2020, 05:11 PM
I still think long term the only way to kill the GOP (or make it radically change) is run on a progressive platform. It’s pretty obvious now that when it’s in power, the post-Reagan GOP leading us into a deep recession isinevitable. At some point even the rube voters will say fuck it I’ve been told my whole life that single payer healthcare is evil but I’ll take it over feudalism. Right now the problem is that Republicans set the tone for everything and the Dems don’t have a clear identity.
Will Hunting
08-21-2020, 05:15 PM
It took less than two years before everyone forgot Bush and put the GOP back in power in the house in 2010. There will always be a competitive GOP.
And now Biden’s campaign has been infiltrated by so many ex GWB administration members that no one wants to use the obvious talking point “GHWB led us into a recession, GWB led us into a worse recession, then Trump led us into an even worse recession. Stop voting Republican if you want a good economy.”
Spurminator
08-21-2020, 05:38 PM
Yeah I thought Texas was more distant than it actually is. Beto came within 2 points despite uneducated whites having much higher turnout than any other demographic, and even though I think Biden shouldn’t waste money there I think it’s in play.
imo the Dem candidate who would do best in a general election is Yang, but I don’t see him ever winning a primary.
I'd love to be wrong but I expect the Presidential vote in Texas to be closer to the Abbott vs whatsername vote than Cruz vs O'Rourke.
Will Hunting
08-21-2020, 05:47 PM
I'd love to be wrong but I expect the Presidential vote in Texas to be closer to the Abbott vs whatsername vote than Cruz vs O'Rourke.
:lol Wendy Davis? Abbott beat her by north of 20 points I think.
Spurminator
08-21-2020, 05:52 PM
:lol Wendy Davis? Abbott beat her by north of 20 points I think.
No the token Hispanic.
You're not.
That is where the US is... a laughing stock.
You're not the above average Joe to raise all boats. That's for sure.
hater
08-28-2020, 07:26 AM
:lmao
https://twitter.com/tanasoli_qom/status/1260964594568310787?s=19
hater
08-28-2020, 07:28 AM
:lol
https://twitter.com/SKhatibzadeh/status/1299065686606712832?s=19
Winehole23
11-15-2023, 06:41 PM
"Maximum pressure" hastened uranium enrichment (http://https://x.com/MaxKennerly/status/1724856155011240048?s=20), and bailing on the JPCOA removed US leverage.
Great work guys!
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11-15-2023, 07:10 PM
"Maximum pressure" hastened uranium enrichment (http://https://x.com/MaxKennerly/status/1724856155011240048?s=20), and bailing on the JPCOA removed US leverage.
Great work guys!
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We had it dicked 100%...and let the Shah fall. That was it, but that ain't all, not by a jugful it ain't. Iran is a far a shy not done with us, by God & D.C., knows it. We piss & moan about Putin and the slopes, but that's just for public consumption and cutesy purposes. Iran is lethal & reckless, a morbid combination, children.
hater
11-15-2023, 09:12 PM
We had it dicked 100%...and let the Shah fall. That was it, but that ain't all, not by a jugful it ain't. Iran is a far a shy not done with us, by God & D.C., knows it. We piss & moan about Putin and the slopes, but that's just for public consumption and cutesy purposes. Iran is lethal & reckless, a morbid combination, children.
Iran has enough conventional firepower to incinerate not only Israel but all US assets in the vicinity
Even after a nuke strike and Tehran a smoking crater, they should have enough silos deep in their mountains to be able to strike back and turn Israel back to AD 1
People dont realize Iran is a massive country 2 and 1/2 times size of Afghanistan and with much bigger mountains.
Maybe a massive 1st nuclear strike would be only chance Israel/US have. But then all bets are off as Russia would retaliate immediately.
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11-15-2023, 09:42 PM
Iran has enough conventional firepower to incinerate not only Israel but all US assets in the vicinity
Even after a nuke strike and Tehran a smoking crater, they should have enough silos deep in their mountains to be able to strike back and turn Israel back to AD 1
People dont realize Iran is a massive country 2 and 1/2 times size of Afghanistan and with much bigger mountains.
Maybe a massive 1st nuclear strike would be only chance Israel/US have. But then all bets are off as Russia would retaliate immediately.
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Winehole23
05-27-2024, 05:35 PM
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Like Bush2 leavin' the back door open.
Winehole23
03-09-2025, 10:14 AM
"Maximum pressure" hastened uranium enrichment (http://https://x.com/MaxKennerly/status/1724856155011240048?s=20), and bailing on the JPCOA removed US leverage.
Great work guys!
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“We’re at final moments. We can’t let them have a nuclear weapon.”
There’ll be some interesting days ahead, that’s all I can tell you. We’re down to final strokes with Iranhttps://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/07/trump-nuclear-talks-with-iran-00218675
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