Bucks to boycott game 5

[TimDunkem]

also, how much more perfectly could my point be illustrated than by the fact that one of the dudes who got shot - gruesomely shot too, never use that arm again sadly - had a pistol himself and didn't use it.
its a lot harder to pull the trigger than you think, that's all im saying.

they were not unarmed.
Yeah some people don't treat taking a human life - or two - like it's nothing.

[weeks]

Not all people run like pussies, make sense?

right, because the pussies were scared. the ones who werent scared chased him down.
see how it works?

[weeks]

Yeah some people don't treat taking a human life - or two - like it's nothing.

i know you think that's admirable but i think it's sad.

[TimDunkem]

i know you think that's admirable but i think it's sad.
Ah okay it is nothing. My bad. :tu

[RD2191]

right, because the pussies were scared. the ones who werent scared chased him down.
see how it works?
No, because you're a retard that doesn't make any sense.

[FkLA]

So you can't just say you feared for your life like this fat pussy did?

But no one was shooting at him, they were chasing him, he had a gun and had just shot someone. So what if the people that were running after him feared for their life? Chasing after someone doesn't automatically mean you're not scared.

You'd be a terrible lawyer, bruh.

[RD2191]

You'd be a terrible lawyer, bruh.
:lol probably

[RD2191]

Also, this goes above the law. If you believe what this kid was right or okay then you're a sick piece of shit.

[BackHome]

They should continue to play and raise money to help Louisiana rebuild it looks like Laura is got to hit as a category 5 Hurricane going to destroy entire towns. They should use there platform to start raising money to help all the thousands of people who will be homeless.

[TimDunkem]

Also, this goes above the law. If you believe what this kid was right or okay then you're a sick piece of shit.

I've learned quite a bit over the last hour or two. Among other things:

Local gun laws don't matter if the protest you're at may become a riot and you claim you're protecting property.

If you kill someone during said protest and are chased by people trying to disarm you, feel free to open fire directly into them.

Killing is brave and taking a human life is no big deal.

[RD2191]

I've learned quite a bit over the last hour or two. Among other things:

Local gun laws don't matter if the protest you're at may become a riot and you claim you're protecting property.

If you kill someone during said protest and are chased by people trying to disarm you, feel free to open fire directly into them.

Killing is brave and taking a human life is no big deal.
Pretty much, it's sad, really.

[TimDunkem]

Pretty much, it's sad, really.

If Kyle was brown and illegal they would say kill him, send the body back to Mexico with a MAGA hat, and close the border.

But he is a Trump supporter and police bootlicker so breaking laws and killing Americans is okay. Clear the patriot of all charges.

[Nathan89]

See a lot of people in here that hate self defense. If you don't want to get shot don't attack someone with a gun.

[Atl Spur]

I wish these boys stop playing soldiers; they can serve the country the right way! They won’t because they’re frauds......cowards! He was a fuckboy that had a gun..... a real patriot! Them real killers gonna treat him right nice in prison!

[Atl Spur]

See a lot of people in here that hate self defense. If you don't want to get shot don't attack someone with a gun.

Spoken like the coward u are! You lame little broad!

[Nathan89]

At no point in human history would people sit by and let violent mobs like BLM ruin the things they own. We live in a retarded world where we allow BLM to act like animals and expect everyone else to restrain their human nature.

[cd021]

Here's a simple solution to keep cops from killing them. Stop committing crimes!
lol what?


That you think cops are supposed to kill criminals is basically the actual problem.
Bingo :tu

[UnWantedTheory]

Self defense or not, the stupid little fucker is 17, from Illinois, and illegally carrying a firearm. He shouldn't have been there.

[Nathan89]

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[Nathan89]

Self defense or not, the stupid little fucker is 17, from Illinois, and illegally carrying a firearm. He shouldn't have been there.

True, but everything suggests self defense.

[Nathan89]

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On the bright side one less pedo.

[tbdog]

It was probably always going to happen, it was just a matter of time. But the players reacted too early. Jacob Blake is the wrong poster boy. It's a lawful shooting. The players should have waited this one out. A bad call.

[Atl Spur]

True, but everything suggests self defense.

Them real killers will give him that chance.......he’ll be a bitch soon enough! Playing a game he’s no equipped for.....

[cd021]

Maybe you should start counting noses. Charlottesville was supposed to be a national convention of the neo-Nazis; they were able to put less than 300 on the ground. The "Kenosha Guard" say they had "We are mobilizing tonight and have about 3,000 RSVP’s" for a local riot. These aren't neo-nazis, they're people who don't want their town set on fire. Are they willing to start shooting? Maybe... I don't think the american left has any idea what they are inciting with these riots...

There is certain to be a racial component there, even if they don't waive confederate flags. A bunch of out of towners bringing guns to a local protest is a recipe for disaster. No matter if its 300 or 3000.

Their not inciting anything, they are protesting police shootings, and some have turned violent. Protest sometimes turn violent. Its when people with opposing views bring guns does it turn into a full blown shit-show.

[UnWantedTheory]

True, but everything suggests self defense.

Maybe for the last two. I'm not aware of what happened with the first one though. Either way, not sure how this applies to someone who shouldn't have been there and was illegally carrying. They will probably say he came looking for trouble, and that might just be true.

[Atl Spur]

It was probably always going to happen, it was just a matter of time. But the players reacted too early. Jacob Blake is the wrong poster boy. It's a lawful shooting. The players should have waited this one out. A bad call.

Any person not rightfully treated will do; you don’t have to be squeaky clean. Bro, those are grown ass men..... doing grown ass things!! Half of the clowns here haven’t done anything for the great U S Of A but have so much to say! STFU

[Nathan89]

Them real killers will give him that chance.......he’ll be a bitch soon enough! Playing a game he’s no equipped for.....

You seem excited about a 17yo getting raped in prison. Seek help.

[Nathan89]

Maybe for the last two. I'm not aware of what happened with the first one though. Either way, not sure how this applies to someone who shouldn't have been there and was illegally carrying. They will probably say he came looking for trouble, and that might just be true.

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The first one was also on video. The pedo was chasing him as well. Seems like self defense.

[Atl Spur]

You seem excited about a 17yo getting raped in prison. Seek help.

Being their bitch means rape to you huh???? Interesting.......untuck your dick! Anytime a man don’t treat you like a man is him making you their bitch. You a wild little dude.....

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He can’t talk his ass out of this homie....postage due! Dudes like you are probably use to that behavior..

[UnWantedTheory]

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Doesn't change much for me tbh. The kid shouldn't have been there illegally carrying. I don't think he should go down for 1st degree, but he does need to face some time imo. Lives were lost that would have otherwise not have been had he stayed in Illinois. Just my two cents anyway.

[tbdog]

Isn't this the American dream. To defend yourself or property with a gun. Isn't that the whole moto, to beat a bad guy with a gun, you have a good guy with a gun. Like this is the poster boy for this. Now America is turning on him.

[pad300]

Any person not rightfully treated will do; you don’t have to be squeaky clean. Bro, those are grown ass men..... doing grown ass things!! Half of the clowns here haven’t done anything for the great U S Of A but have so much to say! STFU

The problem with this is it's starting to look more and more like a rightful shooting. They tried non-lethal force. First wrestling with him, and then a taser. They told him not to go into the vehicle... They shot him after warning him. He was a felon they knew had a violent history, and they were arresting him on a rape warrant. They're not going to let him drive off, that's called endangering the public.

Not to mention the full toxicology results are starting to leak on George Floyd. That's going to be another difficult to convict murder charge.

[Budkin]

I've learned quite a bit over the last hour or two. Among other things:

Local gun laws don't matter if the protest you're at may become a riot and you claim you're protecting property.

If you kill someone during said protest and are chased by people trying to disarm you, feel free to open fire directly into them.

Killing is brave and taking a human life is no big deal.

This. Also every fat white dude with an AR-15 has a fantasy about shooting someone that "threatens" them.

[Raven]

i want my nba league pass refund

[Nathan89]

Isn't this the American dream. To defend yourself or property with a gun. Isn't that the whole moto, to beat a bad guy with a gun, you have a good guy with a gun. Like this is the poster boy for this. Now America is turning on him.

Half of the motivation behind turning this guy in to a villain is the fact that he is white. The media and the left spew hatred for two week because a high school kid had the audacity to smirk at an asshole beating his drum in his face. To think they are going to now be able to objectively view these videos is foolish thinking. So despite all evidence indicating he reacted in self defense they have to attack him. When this first happened everyone on the left was painting him as a white supremacist based on nothing. They aren't trying to see reality. They are trying to shape narrative.

[Nathan89]

"If you kill someone during said protest and are chased by people trying to disarm you, feel free to open fire directly into them."

If you try to violently knockout someone after they killed someone in self defense then you are the problem and the kid has every right to kill you in self defense. It would be foolish to not defend yourself against the violent BLM mob that routinely attacks innocent people. Just imagine what they would do to someone if they thought that person just murdered someone.

[Nathan89]

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Some people insist on getting rid of the best things that bring people together. Violent groups like BLM will never replace this.

[Spurtacular]

I been neglecting hockey anyways.

[ElNono]

At no point in human history would people sit by and let violent mobs like BLM ruin the things they own. We live in a retarded world where we allow BLM to act like animals and expect everyone else to restrain their human nature.

:lol this post shows that you're just ignorant. This is far from the first civil unrest in this country, much less in human history.

[TimDunkem]

History began in 2016 for Nate.

[Nathan89]

:lol this post shows that you're just ignorant. This is far from the first civil unrest in this country, much less in human history.

I didn't state otherwise.

[ElNono]

I didn't state otherwise.

Of course you did. This:

At no point in human history would people sit by and let violent mobs like BLM ruin the things they own.

is an ignorant statement.

[Nathan89]

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A lot of these false racial narrative pushed by the leftist media and politicians stems from their open hatred of white people.

[ElNono]

History began in 2016 for Nate.

:lol pretty much

[Spurtacular]

I been neglecting hockey anyways.

This too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAkZ8HXTmXw

[tbdog]

The guy who got shot in the back, the reason for all the Riots Violence allegedly

Was Kidnapping his kids, assaulted the children's mother, was stealing her car, and was reaching for a weapon.

Was convicted of assaulting the mother of his children and also of having sex with a 15 year old and gun charges to boot

The guys mother gets all the MSN press


The children, their mother get none


Woke NBA players in Milwaukee choose this as the HILL the NBA will die on

Adam Silver, the Board of Governors, the Owners, the NBA players association and All the Corporate partners and sponsors (CHINA) have nothing but themselves to blame for the complete collapse of the NBA.

Is this true? The police said he had no weapon in the car, only the knife. But the kidnapping, that's a big deal. Is this true. Any source?

[mo7888]

The problem with this is it's starting to look more and more like a rightful shooting. They tried non-lethal force. First wrestling with him, and then a taser. They told him not to go into the vehicle... They shot him after warning him. He was a felon they knew had a violent history, and they were arresting him on a rape warrant. They're not going to let him drive off, that's called endangering the public.

Not to mention the full toxicology results are starting to leak on George Floyd. That's going to be another difficult to convict murder charge.

I'll add.. they couldn't let him drive off with 3 kids in the car with domestic violence warrants...and he had a knife in the car.

[mo7888]

Is this true? The police said he had no weapon in the car, only the knife. But the kidnapping, that's a big deal. Is this true. Any source?

I haven't heard the kidnapping charge...the rest is accurate...and the knife he was reaching for is by definition a deadly weapon

[tbdog]

I haven't heard the kidnapping charge...the rest is accurate...and the knife he was reaching for is by definition a deadly weapon

The knife was on him.

[ragas]

Racism exists everywhere, but in Europe you haven't a problem with people getting killed by the police. But what did you all expect to happen in a country where it is legal to open carry weapons and where guys (and also women) love their rifles & guns more than their wives (husbands)? Everybody can buy as many weapons as he/she wants and use it. That's the main issue. Without that police wouldn't have to be afraid to be shot down at simple traffic controls and no unstable idiots - white, brown, black or green - would run around to make their CoD/GTA-fantasies real. After reading the last 12 pages, I'm sure that there will be no short or mid-term solution for the problems. Too much differences of opinion. It's getting much worse. It's best you split the country, build a wall and everybody chooses one side of it. But I'm sure there would be a fight for what side is the better one... so, perhaps it's not a good idea.

[Trill Clinton]

You got shown that link about a page back. You didn't want to watch it...

Self defense is gone once he got up and shot recklessly into the crowd. He was safe after the first couple shots.

[BacktoBasics]

Yea the 17 year-old kid shouldn’t have been there with a firearm in the first place. Kid was asking for trouble and this all could’ve been avoided if he hadn’t put himself in that situation. With that said, after seeing the videos, I’ve changed my stance. First guy he shot in the head He was running away from. The guy chasing him had just thrown a Molotov cocktail at him, and then continue to pursue and run up on him to attack him. That’s when he got shot in the head. Same guy was caught on camera earlier in the night repeatedly saying, “Shoot me n*gga!” Basically antagonizing the kid. Well, he got shot.

The shooter, after putting one in the guy’s dome, immediately called the cops to report what had happened as he fled the scene. He was then chased by other protestors/rioters. Kid with the rifle falls down while running away and is immediately attacked by 2 or 3 guys, one with a pistol in hand, and one with a skateboard. That’s when he started firing. He shot the skateboarder in the chest and the guy with a pistol in the arm. Shooter has a strong case for self-defense here.

Like I said, he shouldn’t have been there in the first place and from what I read it was illegal possession of a firearm since she was only 17, but he was retreating and then attacked both times he fired his weapon. Good chance he gets off of the First Degree Murder charge. He’ll definitely be charged for other stuff though. Should be an interesting case. Sad situation all around and could’ve easily been avoided.
Here’s why you and everyone else here is wrong.

Let’s say a 14 year gets in a car and drives down the street. Does not break any traffic laws. No fault accidents happen all the time. He gets into a no fault car wreck and someone dies.

That kid has no defense as the entire situation never should have occurred.

This 17 year old is done. He has no defense. His entire presence with the firearm is 100% illegal which makes him culpable in the eyes of the law. Self defense is a moot point if his self defense was born out of illegal activity.

[ragas]

@ boycott

I think it was a good move to draw attention to the problems.

@End the seaosn

No way that this is the right move. They already got the attention. Ending the season would add nothing for what the players want to achieve. It would rather have the opposite effect. They would harm the NBA & their careers. Its better to fight for their rights with they money they earn.

[Chinook]

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I did make my stance.

Yes, and it was a racist 13:50 stance.


And yes by not committing crimes will greatly reduce your chances of not getting killed by cops.

And never leaving your house also reduces the risk of getting killed by cops -- though as we've seen, it doesn't remove the risk entirely. That's not the point. Cops aren't random disasters. They don't get act like they don't have agency or intentionality.


Blacks lack any accountability... For your information, they do the same shit to hispanics and whites

And here you were trying to act like you weren't trying to be racist. If cops do this to everyone, why is it only "blacks" that lack accountability? Do you think folks believe all of those non-black shootings are justified? No. "Defund the police" is not "Defund the police that deal with black people." Police accountability is a big issue, even if you take race out of it (which you can't).


You are a sick individual thinking that I want black people killed and for you wanting cops to be killed

Nah man. I don't care what you believe. You know outside of this thread you're going to go back to being an obscure poster and I won't even remember who you are. We'll both go on with our lives. I have no investment in you or what you believe outside this conversation right now.

I've never said anything about cops being killed. But they do sign up for a risky job voluntarily. Cops who have a low threshold for fear shouldn't be cops. Stop treating them like they're kids drafted to go to 'Nam.


What about the black cop that shot the black guy that was chasing him with a knife a couple weeks ago. I bet you think that was justified because the cop was black don't you?

Nah. I didn't give a shit. I don't know if there was a thread up here about it. But if I did read such a thread and I saw you made a stupid comment in it, I'd call it out. Police serve us. It's not on us to avoid them. It's on them to follow rules we make or to quit if they don't want to do that. Committing a crime does not violate your right to life. Assaulting children doesn't mean you can be extrajudicially executed. Resisting arrest does not mean you die. This isn't a post-apocalyptic wasteland we're living in. There is a legitimate law and order, and the police are supposed to follow it, not define it.

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You seem excited about a 17yo getting raped in prison. Seek help.

I am. Besides, he'll be 18 by the time the actual anal penetration begins.

Btw, using your logic of if you don't want to get shot don't attack someone with a gun, well, if you don't want the D, don't bend over in the prison shower, know what I'm saying? It's hard for the fellas to resist such fresh virgin soft white ass. Needs to be plied.

[mo7888]

I am. Besides, he'll be 18 by the time the actual anal penetration begins.

Btw, using your ligic of if you don't want to get shot don't attack someone with a gun, well, if you don't want the D, don't bend over in the shower, know what I'm saying?

Sounds like you have experience reaching for the soap...

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Sounds like you have experience reaching for the soap...

Only what I've seen on the TV of the anal penetration that's coming his way. Just think of knowing that's your fate for the next 35 years? I'd just kill myself now if I were him.

[SpurSpike]

So..... can the playoff streak live on if the playoffs don't continue?

[dbreiden83080]

@ boycott

I think it was a good move to draw attention to the problems.

@End the seaosn

No way that this is the right move. They already got the attention. Ending the season would add nothing for what the players want to achieve. It would rather have the opposite effect. They would harm the NBA & their careers. Its better to fight for their rights with they money they earn.

And something that I am not reading, or hearing at all is, how about they would be completely screwing over the fans. An agreement was made. The NBA fully held up their end of the deal. They provided a safe place for you to finish the season. The players made promises. Now they just get to bail, and the fans are supposed to be completely cool with that? We are heading for a long standing labor dispute, and lock out over this. People are acting like this isn’t a business.

[Chinook]

Here’s why you and everyone else here is wrong.

Let’s say a 14 year gets in a car and drives down the street. Does not break any traffic laws. No fault accidents happen all the time. He gets into a no fault car wreck and someone dies.

That kid has no defense as the entire situation never should have occurred.

This 17 year old is done. He has no defense. His entire presence with the firearm is 100% illegal which makes him culpable in the eyes of the law. Self defense is a moot point if his self defense was born out of illegal activity.

In the very least it's not clear. Like if someone breaks into a house, gets attacked by the owner and uses deadly force in self-defense, do they beat a murder charge? I feel like I've heard it ruled both ways. Dunno what the laws are like in WI, but it's very possible they have something more appropriate to charge the kid with, and as has been said, just because this could be self-defense doesn't mean all of it was.

[Texas_Ranger]

I dont care if the kid goes to prison, but i gotta say good job shooting the pedo in the head.

[cd98]

Honestly, I could care less if the NBA cancels the rest of the season. And I respect the players for taking a stand for something they believe in. I do think this will hurt the NBA for years to come and the players will feel the pinch financially, which is something they can't complain about because that is part of making the decision they are making. But the US is a football country and the NBA has existed in the cracks and thanks to China. Cancelling the season this way, well they will lose some people. Maybe not long term, but in the short term. I used to watch the NBA in general, but now I just watch the Spurs, so I'm fine with them cancelling the season. I'm shifting to football anyway.

[Nathan89]

Racism exists everywhere, but in Europe you haven't a problem with people getting killed by the police. But what did you all expect to happen in a country where it is legal to open carry weapons and where guys (and also women) love their rifles & guns more than their wives (husbands)? Everybody can buy as many weapons as he/she wants and use it. That's the main issue. Without that police wouldn't have to be afraid to be shot down at simple traffic controls and no unstable idiots - white, brown, black or green - would run around to make their CoD/GTA-fantasies real. After reading the last 12 pages, I'm sure that there will be no short or mid-term solution for the problems. Too much differences of opinion. It's getting much worse. It's best you split the country, build a wall and everybody chooses one side of it. But I'm sure there would be a fight for what side is the better one... so, perhaps it's not a good idea.

Dividing the country is inevitable imo.

[Nathan89]

There is zero chance I'd find that kid guilty of anything resembling murder. Every video I've seen is clear as day self defense.

[Nathan89]

Of course the "objective" viewers that crucified a white kid for smirking are not going to have a great grasp on reality.

[mo7888]

Only what I've seen on the TV of the anal penetration that's coming his way. Just think of knowing that's your fate for the next 35 years? I'd just kill myself now if I were him.

Yea, except a Class A misdemeanor (which is where this will end up on the open carry charge) isn't gonna get him prison time...but you can fantasize...i mean dream..

[Nathan89]

I am. Besides, he'll be 18 by the time the actual anal penetration begins.

Btw, using your logic of if you don't want to get shot don't attack someone with a gun, well, if you don't want the D, don't bend over in the prison shower, know what I'm saying? It's hard for the fellas to resist such fresh virgin soft white ass. Needs to be plied.

Me: If you don't want to get shot don't attack someone with a gun.

You: Don't bend over if you don't want to get raped.

That isn't even remotely comparable. I've defended the human right of self defense. You responded with nonsense equivalence.

And you are promoting prison rape.

[Nathan89]

At this point anyone supporting the NBA is funding leftist propaganda.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I haven't heard the kidnapping charge...the rest is accurate...and the knife he was reaching for is by definition a deadly weapon


The knife was on him.


Both wrong.

Jacob Blake, the Kenosha man, whose police shooting has led to fatal riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin, was found by the Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ) Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) to have had a weapon on the floorboard of his vehicle.

I was wrong too. It wasn't two officers who were shot in a similar incident - it was three.

National File recently reported on a similar story in Pennsylvania, where uncooperative suspects walked away from officers and retreated to their vehicles, only to open fire on police immediately after. Three officers were wounded (https://nationalfile.com/video-3-police-shot-after-suspects-retreated-to-car-opened-doors-on-same-day-as-kenosha-shooting/) in the incident.

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Me: If you don't want to get shot don't attack someone with a gun.

You: Don't bend over if you don't want to get raped.

That isn't even remotely comparable. I've defended the human right of self defense. You responded with nonsense equivalence.

And you are promoting prison rape.

Nice. Obtuse much?

There was a clear implication in my don't bend over quip:
Don't break the law by murdering ppl, get charged, get convicted, and go to jail.

And you're right, IDGAF if a white supremacist that **murders** 2 ppl and blows the arm off another has to take some uncomfortable prison love sausage every morning. Ideally it's black and large and heavily seasoned.

He shouldn't have been there. His actions permanently ended two lives, severely altered another's, and three families have to deal with those things.

[cd021]

Honestly, I could care less if the NBA cancels the rest of the season. And I respect the players for taking a stand for something they believe in. I do think this will hurt the NBA for years to come and the players will feel the pinch financially, which is something they can't complain about because that is part of making the decision they are making. But the US is a football country and the NBA has existed in the cracks and thanks to China. Cancelling the season this way, well they will lose some people. Maybe not long term, but in the short term. I used to watch the NBA in general, but now I just watch the Spurs, so I'm fine with them cancelling the season. I'm shifting to football anyway.

Cancelling the rest of the playoffs will have a financial impact but its not like the NBA hasn't taken a major financial hit anyways. Apparently the real effects of the lost revenue was going to be felt after next season but also, probably next season too-- if they decide to cancel the rest of the season.

I think they aren't likely to lose many fans over this, they know their fanbase but this could lead to a lot of uncertainly heading into next season, that can't be good for business. If the season ends abruptly, then when will next season start? Does it get moved up? Then again, there was talk about moving it back to give time for a vaccine so fans could be back in the seats. That could mean like 7 months without basketball.

[ZeusWillJudge]

He shouldn't have been there. His actions permanently ended two lives, severely altered another's, and three families have to deal with those things.


Action and reaction. The guy with the Glock shouldn't have been there, either. The people burning shit down shouldn't have been there. Eventually, other people are going to react. Your position is, "If you just stay out of our way while we loot and burn, there won't be any trouble."

That's a stupid position.

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Yea, except a Class A misdemeanor (which is where this will end up on the open carry charge) isn't gonna get him prison time...but you can fantasize...i mean dream..

Lol. You clearly know shit about this fools social media rants and the law. He is a white supremacist punk that has had a hard on for violence for years and finally lived out his fantasies. He's been charged with 1st degree homicide. Motherfucker is going to prison. Bang me in the ass prison to be exact.

Fucking MAGATs galore up in this mofo.

[mo7888]

Both wrong.

Jacob Blake, the Kenosha man, whose police shooting has led to fatal riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin, was found by the Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ) Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) to have had a weapon on the floorboard of his vehicle.

I was wrong too. It wasn't two officers who were shot in a similar incident - it was three.

National File recently reported on a similar story in Pennsylvania, where uncooperative suspects walked away from officers and retreated to their vehicles, only to open fire on police immediately after. Three officers were wounded (https://nationalfile.com/video-3-police-shot-after-suspects-retreated-to-car-opened-doors-on-same-day-as-kenosha-shooting/) in the incident.

Reaching down into his car...knife on the floorboard...Isn't that the definition of reaching for a knife? Or do you mean the weapon on the floorboard wasn't a knife?

[cd021]

At this point anyone supporting the NBA is funding leftist propaganda.
If you're done with the NBA, then be done with it. Why are you here?

[RD2191]

Yea, except a Class A misdemeanor (which is where this will end up on the open carry charge) isn't gonna get him prison time...but you can fantasize...i mean dream..

No. :lol. This kid commited murder. You really think this kid isn't gonna get prison time? Let's just say you better hope he does, because if he doesn't, shit is really going to pop off.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Reaching down into his car...knife on the floorboard...Isn't that the definition of reaching for a knife?

I grabbed the wrong quote. No worries.

He wasn't fighting that hard to get into his car to eject a CD.

[offset formation]

Action and reaction. The guy with the Glock shouldn't have been there, either. The people burning shit down shouldn't have been there. Eventually, other people are going to react. Your position is, "If you just stay out of our way while we loot and burn, there won't be any trouble."

That's a stupid position.

You are familiar with the prohibition of citizens taking the law into their own hands, no? Any rioters or arsonists that have broken the law are subject to arrest and prosecution by police. Random out of state 17 year olds illegally carrying weapons (across state lines) don't get to be Johnny Cop.

[RD2191]

There is zero chance I'd find that kid guilty of anything resembling murder. Every video I've seen is clear as day self defense.

You can't claim self defense if you're the one looking for a fight. The kid had zero reason to be there. Was he a business owner? A law enforcement officer? No.

[mo7888]

No. :lol. This kid commited murder. You really think this kid isn't gonna get prison time? Let's just say you better hope he does, because if he doesn't, shit is really going to pop off.

Unless there is evidence we haven't yet seen (which I readily admit is a possibility), this isn't murder and he won't be convicted of that. So I hope he gets off on that even if 'shit pops off', because he isn't guilty of that.

[RD2191]

Lol. You clearly know shit about this fools social media rants and the law. He is a white supremacist punk that has had a hard on for violence for years and finally lived out his fantasies. He's been charged with 1st degree homicide. Motherfucker is going to prison. Bang me in the ass prison to be exact.

Fucking MAGATs galore up in this mofo.

Just a bunch of clowns fantasizing about a race war when they'll be the first fat asses shot dead. :lol

[mo7888]

You can't claim self defense if you're the one looking for a fight. The kid had zero reason to be there. Was he a business owner? A law enforcement officer? No.

he has as much right to be there as the rioters who didn't have businesses nor were law enforcement. We also don't know he was looking for a fight... no video or interview he did before the altercation illustrates that. If that evidence exists and comes to light then my opinion will change...so far it hasn't.

[cd021]

And something that I am not reading, or hearing at all is, how about they would be completely screwing over the fans. An agreement was made. The NBA fully held up their end of the deal. They provided a safe place for you to finish the season. The players made promises. Now they just get to bail, and the fans are supposed to be completely cool with that? We are heading for a long standing labor dispute, and lock out over this. People are acting like this isn’t a business.

They agreed to re-start the season on a contingent that they could use their platform to advance social issues. Ending the season abruptly, for the same reasons makes sense but does deprive fans. Still, I think most fans would understand.

[KobesAchilles]

So the NBA alienated China. And now they are trying to alienate the U.S. Its not a smart business move by any stretch. I’m ok with players taking a stance and boycotting and all that. But they cost themselves hundreds of millions of dollars and in the long run, that’s not going to help anybody in their community. It takes money to fix things. Also people really downplay how much local politics play an integral part of our lives. Never understood the obsession with National politics when it’s local politics that do the most damage to you.

[Trill Clinton]

Where was the self defense brigade at when trayvon martin was stalked and had to use self defense on a grown creep?

[RD2191]

he has as much right to be there as the rioters who didn't have businesses nor were law enforcement. We also don't know he was looking for a fight... no video or interview he did before the altercation illustrates that. If that evidence exists and comes to light then my opinion will change...so far it hasn't.

Bro, everything in this kids past shows that he was looking for trouble or to be a hero. He knew what the protest/riots are about and yet he still went out of his way to go there with a firearm that he owned illegally. I hope you're not being wilfully ignorant. I have no horse in this race, two wrongs don't make a right. What this kid did was wrong, very wrong.

If his defense is he feared for his life, how? That's like me and you agreeing to fight, you show up to the location with a gun and shoot me because you feared for your life. I mean come on man.

[Nathan89]

Nice. Obtuse much?

There was a clear implication in my don't bend over quip:
Don't break the law by murdering ppl, get charged, get convicted, and go to jail.

And you're right, IDGAF if a white supremacist that **murders** 2 ppl and blows the arm off another has to take some uncomfortable prison love sausage every morning. Ideally it's black and large and heavily seasoned.

He shouldn't have been there. His actions permanently ended two lives, severely altered another's, and three families have to deal with those things.

There is zero evidence of your white supremacy claim.

This is also irrelevant in a case of self defense.

[dbreiden83080]

They agreed to re-start the season on a contingent that they could use their platform to advance social issues. Ending the season abruptly, for the same reasons makes sense but does deprive fans. Still, I think most fans would understand.

The league has bent over backwards for BLM. The players had numerous chances to opt out.. They agreed to finish the season.. And Fans just want Basketball.

[Nathan89]

Action and reaction. The guy with the Glock shouldn't have been there, either. The people burning shit down shouldn't have been there. Eventually, other people are going to react. Your position is, "If you just stay out of our way while we loot and burn, there won't be any trouble."

That's a stupid position.

We can't blame the mob for attacking someone with a gun. We must denounce self defense and blame the victim for getting attacked because "he should not have been there" .

[mo7888]

Bro, everything in this kids past shows that he was looking for trouble or to be a hero. He knew what the protest/riots are about and yet he still went out of his way to go there with a firearm that he owned illegally. I hope you're not being wilfully ignorant. I have no horse in this race, two wrongs don't make a right. What this kid did was wrong, very wrong.

If his defense is he feared for his life, how? That's like me and you agreeing to fight, you show up to the location with a gun and shoot me because you feared for your life. I mean come on man.

And the rioters weren't there looking for trouble? The truth is everything in his past doesn't point to that and it doesn't matter about his past or the past of the rioters. What matters is the incident...all the video shows that this was self defense. As for your analogy, if someone showed up at location and I had a gun...and they were dumb enough to attack me as I tried to retreat to avoid a fight..... they'd die and I'd eat a sandwich when it was over and not regret it for a second.

[Nathan89]

If you're done with the NBA, then be done with it. Why are you here?

Because I still use the Spurs politics forum.

[cd98]

To be honest, I was devastated when March Madness was cancelled due to COVID. That, in my opinion, is the most exciting time to watch a championship in all of sports. The NBA playoffs, by comparison, are too long and stale and boring. Don't get me wrong, if the Spurs are in it, then I'll watch. I am a life long Spurs fan, but cancelling the playoffs when the Spurs aren't in it is just fine with me, especially with football season getting set to start...fantasy football.

The NBA is going to lose the casual fan and it is going to take a long time to get it back.

[Nathan89]

You can't claim self defense if you're the one looking for a fight. The kid had zero reason to be there. Was he a business owner? A law enforcement officer? No.

When a violent mob is chasing you and trying to knock you out you can claim self defense.

[Texas_Ranger]

Fun fact. All 3 faggots that were shot by a teen faggot were criminals.

[Nathan89]

So the NBA alienated China. And now they are trying to alienate the U.S. Its not a smart business move by any stretch. I’m ok with players taking a stance and boycotting and all that. But they cost themselves hundreds of millions of dollars and in the long run, that’s not going to help anybody in their community. It takes money to fix things. Also people really downplay how much local politics play an integral part of our lives. Never understood the obsession with National politics when it’s local politics that do the most damage to you.

They should cease all business with China if they want any credibility.

[cd98]

We can't blame the mob for attacking someone with a gun. We must denounce self defense and blame the victim for getting attacked because "he should not have been there" .

I'm not defending the shooter, but I think we could all say that the none of the mob should have been there. Torching businesses that belong to people that were entirely uninvolved in the police shooting is so misguided and indefensible.

[cd98]

Fun fact. All 3 faggots that were shot by a teen faggot were criminals.

Yes, but that's irrelevant. He didn't know that when he shot them.

[cd98]

No. :lol. This kid commited murder. You really think this kid isn't gonna get prison time? Let's just say you better hope he does, because if he doesn't, shit is really going to pop off.

Were the two deaths white people? I didn't think that mattered as much.

[Nathan89]

I'm not defending the shooter, but I think we could all say that the none of the mob should have been there. Torching businesses that belong to people that were entirely uninvolved in the police shooting is so misguided and indefensible.

My comment was sarcasm. The shooter was clearly defending himself. I'll defend him with regards to that. That's really the main conversation worth having tbh

[pad300]

Self defense is gone once he got up and shot recklessly into the crowd. He was safe after the first couple shots.


You got a timestamp on that happening? Because nobody who's watched that video has seen him get up and shoot recklessly into the crowd...

[cd98]

My comment was sarcasm. The shooter was clearly defending himself. I'll defend him with regards to that. That's really the main conversation worth having tbh

I think you have to hold off on the self defense. The two people attacked him after he initially shot someone a few minutes earlier. Why did he shoot the first guy? Was it justified? If so, then maybe he has a self defense claim. But what if him shooting the first guy was not justified? What if he killed the guy in cold blood? And what if the people that tried to apprehend him did so because of the shouts that he had killed someone? If a crazy person shot someone in a school and then a bunch of people tried to jump him to stop him and he shot them, that wouldn't be self defense. So we don't know all the facts. That's why we have investigations and trials. We can't say he's guilty or innocent right now, we presume he's innocent because that's the law, but public opinion should really be mute until we know more details.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1298978430185136128?s=20

School choice is the most important issue tbh

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1298988741097164803?s=20

And the NBA is shutting down over this:lmao

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1298977829632315392?s=20

The left just spins racial narratives to divide people.

[RD2191]

And the rioters weren't there looking for trouble? The truth is everything in his past doesn't point to that and it doesn't matter about his past or the past of the rioters. What matters is the incident...all the video shows that this was self defense. As for your analogy, if someone showed up at location and I had a gun...and they were dumb enough to attack me as I tried to retreat to avoid a fight..... they'd die and I'd eat a sandwich when it was over and not regret it for a second.

Ok. So you're being wilfully ignorant, got it. Good to know you're a piece of shit.

[RD2191]

By the way, while I don't agree with the shooting of Blake, I can see why it happened, as an objective viewer I can see why it happened. But then again, some men have been killed even when following orders so who knows what was going through his head.

[pad300]

Where was the self defense brigade at when trayvon martin was stalked and had to use self defense on a grown creep?

On the other side, after the actual evidence showed he was not stalked, and in fact, left the scene, and then came back and attacked George Zimmerman, who had done a grand total of nothing to justify said attack...

[dbreiden83080]

What do you call it when you attack your children's mother whom you've assaulted before, take her vehicle then put the kids whom you don't have custody off in it, and try to drive away. Attempted kidnapping or KIDNAPPING? Also he is a convicted weapons charges and sex offender.

I thought he was just a sweet church going young man.. He was helping elderly cross the street when the Cops showed up.. I saw it on MSNBC..

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/AyannaPressley/status/1298780540431224832?s=20

Democrat politicians with no evidence claim people are "white supremacists". They are push race dividing narratives in pursuit of their political agenda. Shameful.

[mo7888]

Ok. So you're being wilfully ignorant, got it. Good to know you're a piece of shit.

Ignorant? How? Because I won't insert my opinion into what may or may not not be someone's 'intent without evidence...kinda like your bf insert his tip into you every night...so fuck you bitch...

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1298895827146903552?s=20

Ultimately all those claims are indeed irrelevant to self defense.

[Texas_Ranger]

By the way, while I don't agree with the shooting of Blake, I can see why it happened, as an objective viewer I can see why it happened. But then again, some men have been killed even when following orders so who knows what was going through his head.


in USA the last year only 1 black person was shot when he was not following orders or didnt resist arrest.

[RD2191]

Also, why are all the fat pussy kid defenders skirting around the fact that he was brandishing a firearm that he had illegally?

[RD2191]

in USA the last year only 1 black person was shot when he was not following orders or didnt resist arrest.

:lol Fox news give you that stat? You honestly believe that when cops have been shown to lie repeatedly even when there's video evidence to the contrary? Come on man. Just look at what happened with the Raps Masai.

[mo7888]

Also, why are all the fat pussy kid defenders skirting around the fact that he was brandishing a firearm that he had illegally?

Literally almost everybody here that's said he's not guilty of murder has pointed out that he's guilty of that charge ....damn...

[RD2191]

Ignorant? How? Because I won't insert my opinion into what may or may not not be someone's 'intent without evidence...kinda like your bf insert his tip into you every night...so fuck you bitch...

Wrong, asshole. The point is the kid drove in from out of town with a firearm he had on him illegally, killed two people, and shot another. You can't claim self defense when you're the one with a gun and went looking for a fight. That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Texas_Ranger]

:lol Fox news give you that stat? You honestly believe that when cops have been shown to lie repeatedly even when there's video evidence to the contrary? Come on man. Just look at what happened with the Raps Masai.

I dont watch any US news program. someone posted it on twitter from washingtonpost. Oh and I dont have a horse in this race. If the kid is found guilty I don't care if he goes to prison.

[mo7888]

Wrong, asshole. The point is the kid drove in from out of town with a firearm he had on him illegally, killed two people, and shot another. You can't claim self defense when you're the one with a gun and went looking for a fight. That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

You damn well can claim defence when you're chased by rioters...hit with a skate board...and have a gun pointed at you... especially when there is zero evidence that he went looking for a fight.

[pad300]

Interviews with the Kenosha shooter, before the shooting:

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/08/26/interviews-with-alleged-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse/

I think people are jumping to conclusions about "white supremacist" and "looking for a fight". From the article,

"I have him on video offering medical help to BLM rioters

It’s such a weird world where we have black white supremacists

Jewish Nazis, and now white supremacists who offer aid to Black Lives Matter & kill white people "

[cd021]

The league has bent over backwards for BLM. The players had numerous chances to opt out.. They agreed to finish the season.. And Fans just want Basketball.

Meh, putting BLM on the courts and letting players take a knee isn't really bending over. They did vow to donate $300 million over 10 years to black communities but that isn't BLM.

If the players chose not to play, then what can the NBA really do? Trying to compel them to play would lead to a backlash. The playoffs are in jeopardy but it has to be their decision as to whether they play or not. I think the majority of fans will be disappointed but understand.

[cd021]

Because I still use the Spurs politics forum.

This isn't the politics forum though. If your done with the NBA, then be done with it tbh.

[RD2191]

You damn well can claim defence when you're chased by rioters...hit with a skate board...and have a gun pointed at you... especially when there is zero evidence that he went looking for a fight.

Yes, but he was there with a gun he owned illegally. If you crash without a license that certainly changes the dynamics of the case, does it not? For some reason you're ignoring the fact that he shouldn't have been there. As I've said before, two wrongs don't make a right. But this kid went above property damage, he killed two people, people that he went looking for.

[RD2191]

This isn't the politics forum though. If your done with the NBA, then be done with it tbh.

:lol tbh

[dbreiden83080]

Meh, putting BLM on the courts and letting players take a knee isn't really bending over. They did vow to donate $300 million over 10 years to black communities but that isn't BLM.

If the players chose not to play, then what can the NBA really do? Trying to compel them to play would lead to a backlash. The playoffs are in jeopardy but it has to be their decision as to whether they play or not. I think the majority of fans will be disappointed but understand.

What can they do? You think this shit is free? Owners don't own teams to reform Social Justice. They care about making money.. We are headed for a long lock out.. You have any idea how much ad revenue gets flushed down the toilet if the players bail? Trust me that is what the owners care about.. And fans want Basketball.

[mo7888]

Yes, but he was there with a gun he owned illegally. If you crash without a license that certainly changes the dynamics of the case, does it not? For some reason you're ignoring the fact that he shouldn't have been there. As I've said before, two wrongs don't make a right. But this kid went above property damage, he killed two people, people that he went looking for.

I'm not ignoring it... I've said over and over that he was there with an illegal firearm and thatll hell ultimately be found guilty of that.

You are though when you say he 'killed people he went looking for'...you don't know that you just want it to be that way.... facts are stubborn and he was retreating when he shot people...two physically attacked him...one pointed a gun at him.... this isnt even close to what you assert

[cd98]

Also, why are all the fat pussy kid defenders skirting around the fact that he was brandishing a firearm that he had illegally?

Not to defend the shooter because I don't know enough facts to know if it was homicide or self defense at this point, but I think there were a lot of laws being broken that night but it appears some people only care about the ones that support their agenda.

[TimDunkem]

We care about the ones that don't end up with people leaving with holes in their head.

[cd98]

Yes, but he was there with a gun he owned illegally. If you crash without a license that certainly changes the dynamics of the case, does it not? For some reason you're ignoring the fact that he shouldn't have been there. As I've said before, two wrongs don't make a right. But this kid went above property damage, he killed two people, people that he went looking for.

I agree with you that the kid shouldn't have been there with a gun, regardless if it was legally obtained or not. But I also think the protesters and rioters shouldn't have been there either. I think there was a curfew that they all violated and certainly they shouldn't have been there looting and burning businesses that had no involvement whatsoever with the police shooting, which in and of itself may have been justified under the circumstances (kind of need to wait for the evidence to come out before rushing to judgment).

I don't know that the 17 year old was a cold blooded murderer. He might have been. Or maybe he was a 17 year old that was emotional and caught up in the moment and felt threatened. I don't know. But inexperienced kids with guns should not be policing the streets. The governor should have called in the feds, but he didn't want to hand Trump a photo op, so instead he allowed this dangerous situation from all parties, including the rioters, to happen. He has as much blood on his hands as anyone.

[Dejounte]

I knew they wouldn't cancel the playoffs. Too much money at stake.

[cd98]

We care about the ones that don't end up with people leaving with holes in their head.

Do you care about the ones where innocent people have their places of businesses robbed and burned to the ground and lose their jobs when they had nothing to do with the incident?

[Nathan89]

This isn't the politics forum though. If your done with the NBA, then be done with it tbh.

Nah, I'll continue to shit of the groupthink league that pretends to champion diversity.

[baseline bum]

LOL this little bitch was a high school dropout with no future, no wonder he was so pissed to grab his rifle and stir shit up in another community.

[TimDunkem]

Like the group think last night that concluded it's okay to break gun laws and bravely fire into crowds if you're going to a BLM protest?

[TimDunkem]

Do you care about the ones where innocent people have their places of businesses robbed and burned to the ground and lose their jobs when they had nothing to do with the incident?
Is that what the men who died were doing when they lost their lives, or are you just glossing over killing people?

[Nathan89]

Not to defend the shooter because I don't know enough facts to know if it was homicide or self defense at this point, but I think there were a lot of laws being broken that night but it appears some people only care about the ones that support their agenda.

Well some people are focused on the main issue of self defense and others that have a history of demonizing white kids for smirking are trying to hate him for any reason possible.

[baseline bum]

I agree with you that the kid shouldn't have been there with a gun, regardless if it was legally obtained or not. But I also think the protesters and rioters shouldn't have been there either. I think there was a curfew that they all violated and certainly they shouldn't have been there looting and burning businesses that had no involvement whatsoever with the police shooting, which in and of itself may have been justified under the circumstances (kind of need to wait for the evidence to come out before rushing to judgment).

I don't know that the 17 year old was a cold blooded murderer. He might have been. Or maybe he was a 17 year old that was emotional and caught up in the moment and felt threatened. I don't know. But inexperienced kids with guns should not be policing the streets. The governor should have called in the feds, but he didn't want to hand Trump a photo op, so instead he allowed this dangerous situation from all parties, including the rioters, to happen. He has as much blood on his hands as anyone.

Those same feds who were kidnapping protesters and escalating shit in Portland? No thanks.

[TimDunkem]

Well some people are focused on the main issue of self defense and others that have a history of demonizing white kids for smirking are trying to hate him for any reason possible.
He broke gun laws and it led to deaths. If it was a BLM protester holding the weapon with MAGATs who had the holes in their heads you would be crying for justice you disingenuous prick. Also, this is an NBA forum. GTFO already.

[Nathan89]

Like the group think last night that concluded it's okay to break gun laws and bravely fire into crowds if you're going to a BLM protest?

I'm not sure if this a disingenuous way to frame self defense or a different issue entirely.

[cd98]

Is that what the men who died were doing when they lost their lives, or are you just glossing over killing people?

I don't know what they were doing. That's why I'm not jumping to conclusions about whether it was homicide or self defense. I do know that none of them were supposed to be there per the law. I do know that businesses were being burned and looted and you seem to gloss over that very important fact. I don't know if the shootings were justified or not, but I do know that the looting and burning of buildings were not justified. Can we agree on that?

[TimDunkem]

Destroying property and breaking laws to try and stop police murders: Bad, bad, bad. Always bad.

Breaking gun laws and murdering people to protect property: Good. Patriot. MAGA!

[Nathan89]

I don't know what they were doing. That's why I'm not jumping to conclusions about whether it was homicide or self defense. I do know that none of them were supposed to be there per the law. I do know that businesses were being burned and looted and you seem to gloss over that very important fact. I don't know if the shootings were justified or not, but I do know that the looting and burning of buildings were not justified. Can we agree on that?

There is video of everyone that died trying to attack this kid tbh

[TimDunkem]

I don't know what they were doing. That's why I'm not jumping to conclusions about whether it was homicide or self defense. I do know that none of them were supposed to be there per the law. I do know that businesses were being burned and looted and you seem to gloss over that very important fact. I don't know if the shootings were justified or not, but I do know that the looting and burning of buildings were not justified. Can we agree on that?
Can we agree that destroying property to end police murders =/= Murdering people to protect property?

[cd98]

Those same feds who were kidnapping protesters and escalating shit in Portland? No thanks.

The governor declined the national guard help. So it's not the same thing. And the kidnapping in Portland didn't lead to people dying so there's that.

[TimDunkem]

Again, if this kid was an illegal from Mexico you all would call for a swift bullet in the head, ship his corpse to Mexico in a MAGA hat, then scream "law and order, build the wall".


But since he loves Trump and licks cop boots, it's totally okay to break gun laws and kill fellow Americans in the name of protecting property.

[Nathan89]

He broke gun laws and it led to deaths. If it was a BLM protester holding the weapon with MAGATs who had the holes in their heads you would be crying for justice you disingenuous prick. Also, this is an NBA forum. GTFO already.

If maga people were attacking a BLM rioter with a gun he'd have the same rights to self defense as this guy.

[cd98]

Destroying property and breaking laws to try and stop police murders: Bad, bad, bad. Always bad.

Breaking gun laws and murdering people to protect property: Good. Patriot. MAGA!

Except I never said that. If he murdered the people then he should be prosecuted. I just don't have enough facts. And neither do you. I do know that some crimes for sure were committed and on the ones that might have been committed, I withhold judgment. But I agree that regardless of whether or not it was self defense, the kid should not have been there trying to police the mob. He wasn't trained for that and he had no right to be there policing what was going on.

[TimDunkem]

If maga people were attacking a BLM rioter with a gun he'd have the same rights to self defense as this guy.
And yet all your disingenuous ass would muster is that he "shouldn't have been rioting". You wouldn't be calling for the dropping of charges or staying up all night defending said BLM protester.

No one is buying your BS.

[Nathan89]

The kid actually showed remarkable composure when defending himself against his attackers.

[TimDunkem]

Except I never said that. If he murdered the people then he should be prosecuted. I just don't have enough facts. And neither do you. I do know that some crimes for sure were committed and on the ones that might have been committed, I withhold judgment. But I agree that regardless of whether or not it was self defense, the kid should not have been there trying to police the mob. He wasn't trained for that and he had no right to be there policing what was going on.
One or two of the guys you were siding with last night did basically say that so please fucking forgive me if you come off that way too when you say "what about.." when the guy you're defending killed two people.

[cd98]

Can we agree that destroying property to end police murders =/= Murdering people to protect property?

We can agree that destroying property does not justify an arbitrary death penalty by someone that has a gun, though if the store owner was there protecting his property and shot them as they were trying to rob him, it would probably be legal. That's not the case. But can you also agree that you don't know why he shot those three guys and that if they were the instigators that he is allowed to defend himself? I'm not taking the kid's side, but I also am not rushing to judgment without facts like you are when you call it murder before knowing that it was actually murder.

[Nathan89]

"Raysean White, the man who said he filmed the video of the shooting that circulated widely online, told The Associated Press that he heard officers shout "Drop the knife! Drop the knife!" before they shot Blake,"

[TimDunkem]

We can agree that destroying property does not justify an arbitrary death penalty by someone that has a gun, though if the store owner was there protecting his property and shot them as they were trying to rob him, it would probably be legal. That's not the case. But can you also agree that you don't know why he shot those three guys and that if they were the instigators that he is allowed to defend himself? I'm not taking the kid's side, but I also am not rushing to judgment without facts like you are when you call it murder before knowing that it was actually murder.
Are you really going to keep arguing this when we have the footage of the second guys being shot because they were trying to subdue guy with gun who already killed someone and at that point was a known agitator?

[cd98]

Again, if this kid was an illegal from Mexico you all would call for a swift bullet in the head, ship his corpse to Mexico in a MAGA hat, then scream "law and order, build the wall".


But since he loves Trump and licks cop boots, it's totally okay to break gun laws and kill fellow Americans in the name of protecting property.

I'm not a Trump supporter at all. But I do think you are guilty of the same stereotyping that you condemn when it is against BLM. No one supports shooting someone in the head and dropping them off in Mexico. That's not Trump orthodoxy or anyone's. That's just a mischaracterization that shows you either are out of touch with reality or unable to have an honest discussion about what has happened.

[TimDunkem]

I'm not a Trump supporter at all. But I do think you are guilty of the same stereotyping that you condemn when it is against BLM. No one supports shooting someone in the head and dropping them off in Mexico. That's not Trump orthodoxy or anyone's. That's just a mischaracterization that shows you either are out of touch with reality or unable to have an honest discussion about what has happened.
You live in a fantasy world if you don't think a large group of this country thinks that way. I see them every day.

[pad300]

Can we agree that destroying property to end police murders =/= Murdering people to protect property?

You keep on using the word "murder". Do you understand what the word "murder" means? It doesn't look like you do...

[TimDunkem]

Hell, some of them are posting in the Politics Forum daily.

[TimDunkem]

You keep on using the word "murder". Do you understand what the word "murder" means? It doesn't look like you do...
Tell me again how it was totally okay to break gun laws and end up killing two people, or was that pgard? Can't tell with you morons anymore. It's like you're all made in the same factory.

[cd98]

Are you really going to keep arguing this when we have the footage of the second guys being shot because they were trying to subdue guy with gun who already killed someone and at that point was a known agitator?

Go back and read my posts. I make this exact point as a possibility. But you have to look at it from every view, not just your Trump bashing point of view. The first thing that matters is why he shot the first guy. Was it justified? Or was it murder? That is important. Second, what was the intent of the guys subduing him. Where they trying to attack him? Were they justified in subduing him? Did they intend to subdue or attack? And was it rational for him, under the circumstances, to see it as an attack and not "subduing" him. This are all important questions that we need answers to before we can rush to judgment on whether the shooting was justified or not. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances before you can make a real judgment. Most people don't. Most people just jump to the conclusion that supports their agenda. Like you claim its murder when you really have no information. Others are saying that it is self defense, when there are not enough facts to show that yet if at all.

[cd98]

You live in a fantasy world if you don't think a large group of this country thinks that way. I see them every day.

Actually you are part of the problem with discourse if you think a large group of people think that way. You are very misguided and you should get outside your circle of influence.

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Are you really going to keep arguing this when we have the footage of the second guys being shot because they were trying to subdue guy with gun who already killed someone and at that point was a known agitator?

Why are you trying to gaslight us with this fucking bullshit? We can all watch the video. That not "trying to subdue the guy" - that's trying to stomp him into strawberry jam...

[cd98]

Tell me again how it was totally okay to break gun laws and end up killing two people, or was that pgard? Can't tell with you morons anymore. It's like you're all made in the same factory.

Because it's not an element of self defense that the weapon has to be legally obtained before it can be used as self defense. I don't know if he had the gun illegally, but if it was, that doesn't erase a self defense argument.

[TimDunkem]

Go back and read my posts. I make this exact point as a possibility. But you have to look at it from every view, not just your Trump bashing point of view. The first thing that matters is why he shot the first guy. Was it justified? Or was it murder? That is important. Second, what was the intent of the guys subduing him. Where they trying to attack him? Were they justified in subduing him? Did they intend to subdue or attack? And was it rational for him, under the circumstances, to see it as an attack and not "subduing" him. This are all important questions that we need answers to before we can rush to judgment on whether the shooting was justified or not. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances before you can make a real judgment. Most people don't. Most people just jump to the conclusion that supports their agenda. Like you claim its murder when you really have no information. Others are saying that it is self defense, when there are not enough facts to show that yet if at all.
He is a right wing, Trump sucking, cop boot-licking kid illegally brandishing a gun in another state.

He went to a BLM protest with a lot of angry people on the opposite side politically as him.

He and his fake militia went and told (according to eyewitnesses) protesters they were on their side.

Then they started agitating when their cover was blown.

It led to an altercation and Kyle killed a guy.

That's when he was chased and they attempted to subdue him.

He shot two more people and killed one when they were about to give him a well-deserved beating.

Like you guys said last night: "What did he think would happen"?

[TimDunkem]

Why are you trying to gaslight us with this fucking bullshit? We can all watch the video. That not "trying to subdue the guy" - that's trying to stomp him into strawberry jam...
Would've been well-deserved just like when all of you imply it's totally okay that people are dead even though Kyle and his fake militia were agitators.

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There is zero evidence of your white supremacy claim.

This is also irrelevant in a case of self defense.

“Any *patriots* willing to take up arms and defend *our* city tonight from *evil thugs*?”

Wasn't his fight, wasn't his city, wasn't his right to call black folks pissed off at being murdered by cops, thugs.

He's a blue lives matter, gun hoarding and toting, wannabe cop, right wing sycophantic, Trump rally attending, violence seeking, punk ass bitch that just ended two lives, maimed another, and ruined three families. Fuck him and anyone defending him.

[TimDunkem]

Actually you are part of the problem with discourse if you think a large group of people think that way. You are very misguided and you should get outside your circle of influence.
You have no clue. These people are in our families, our workplaces, etc. I myself am a victim of racism, but go ahead and keep feeding me BS. Your Kyle is still going to prison.

[TimDunkem]

“Any *patriots* willing to take up arms and defend *our* city tonight from *evil thugs*?”

Wasn't his fight, wasn't his city, wasn't his right to call black folks pissed off at being murdered by cops, thugs.

He's a blue lives matter, gun hoarding and toting, wannabe cop, right wing sycophantic, Trump rally attending, violence seeking, punk ass bitch that just ended two lives, maimed another, and ruined three families. Fuck him and anyone defending him.
All the mental gymnastics and deflections are hilarious though.

[cd98]

He is a right wing, Trump sucking, cop boot-licking kid illegally brandishing a gun in another state.

He went to a BLM protest with a lot of angry people on the opposite side politically as him.

He and his fake militia went and told (according to eyewitnesses) protesters they were on their side.

Then they started agitating when their cover was blown.

It led to an altercation and Kyle killed a guy.

That's when he was chased and they attempted to subdue him.

He shot two more people and killed one when they were about to give him a well-deserved beating.

Like you guys said last night: "What did he think would happen"?

Please stop being a cartoon of the BLM stereotype. You don't know any of that. You are making all of these assumptions because of your agenda and not because of established facts. You don't know if he is right wing. Trump is despised by some Republicans and loved by some Democrats. He is not orthodox, he is a cult of personality. It is possible that this kid liked his stance on law and order, but disagrees on other things. So you are just jumping to conclusions without facts.

You don't know what his mental state was when he went there.

You don't know if he agitated anyone. And the eyewitnesses that you speak of are rioters that hardly have credibility.

You are just patching together a narrative for your agenda. You don't know what happened and you are making assumptions with no real, verified facts to support it.

[TimDunkem]

"We don't know if he was right wing"

Okay this isn't a serious person. :lmao

[cd98]

You have no clue. These people are in our families, our workplaces, etc. I myself am a victim of racism, but go ahead and keep feeding me BS. Your Kyle is still going to prison.

I deal professionally with lots of rural landowners and ranchers that are big Trump fans. And none of them have ever expressed anything like what you speak. Your statement is ignorant. I'm sorry you are the victim of racism. But that doesn't give you special insight to the thoughts of people you don't know and have never met.

[TimDunkem]

^Yeah, I'm sure you guys discuss it openly over beers.

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Tell me again how it was totally okay to break gun laws and end up killing two people, or was that pgard? Can't tell with you morons anymore. It's like you're all made in the same factory.

So let me get this straight, your argument is subject 1 committed a misdemeanor in public (that the people there at the time couldn't in any way prove - open carry of a long gun as a minor), is license to commit assault and potentially anything up to murder on subject 1, he has no self-defence rights at that point...

To illustrate just how bloody dumb an idea this is, let's consider something that could have happened 50 years ago, and didn't: Rosa Parks committed a (provable) misdemeanor by not giving up her seat to a white person, after the bus driver moved the colored people section sign. It would then have been legitimate to assault her...

Apparently you just believe that civil rights only apply to people you agree with politically.

[cd98]

"We don't know if he was right wing"

Okay this isn't a serious person. :lmao

How do you know? Oh wait, you assume it because he went to a Trump rally. That's why we have a court of law and not people like you making final determinations of guilt. You are a victim of racism, then you should know that people should not be judged in a vacuum and that all people are unique, yet you post stereotypes that you condemn if they were made against your race or identity.

[Rocalcio]

NBA juste announced the Playoffs will continue :

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1299012762002231299?s=21

[cd98]

^Yeah, I'm sure you guys discuss it openly over beers.

No, but I've had conversations with many that have land right next to Mexico and have people crossing the border through their land. They are very against illegal immigration and don't like the danger it creates for them, but none of them want a bullet in the head of the people doing it. What you are expressing is a cartoon of an ill-informed left winger. You don't know any of these people and you make a judgment as heinous as that. You are part of the problem with discourse in this country and why we can't have honest discussions about things.

[TXstbobcat]

Per ESPN players agree to continue NBA playoffs

[TimDunkem]

Things I've learned in this thread vol. 2:

Local gun laws don't matter if the protest you're at may become a riot and you claim you're protecting property.

If you kill someone during said protest and are chased by people trying to disarm you, feel free to open fire directly into them.

Killing is brave and taking a human life is no big deal.

If you're at a BLM protest that may/already has ended up with a little rioting then you are as culpable as the person throwing molotovs and have no credibility when you're an eyewitness to said events.

If there's overwhelming evidence that the perp leans one way politically on all of his social media and postings it still is not evidence unless he is a liberal. Then you may jump to conclusions on his political stances or whether or not he is a rioter.

Destroying property to end murders = bad / Ending lives to stop the destruction of property = eh was it self defense?

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[TimDunkem]

No, but I've had conversations with many that have land right next to Mexico and have people crossing the border through their land. They are very against illegal immigration and don't like the danger it creates for them, but none of them want a bullet in the head of the people doing it. What you are expressing is a cartoon of an ill-informed left winger. You don't know any of these people and you make a judgment as heinous as that. You are part of the problem with discourse in this country and why we can't have honest discussions about things.
Likewise with your blatant disregard of facts because you were ignorant to them initially. His writings and political stances were all over his social media pages.

[cd98]

Things I've learned in this thread vol. 2:

Local gun laws don't matter if the protest you're at may become a riot and you claim you're protecting property.

If you kill someone during said protest and are chased by people trying to disarm you, feel free to open fire directly into them.

Killing is brave and taking a human life is no big deal.

If you're at a BLM protest that may/already has ended up with a little rioting then you are as culpable as the person throwing molotovs and have no credibility when you're an eyewitness to said events.

If there's overwhelming evidence that the perp leans one way politically on all of his social media and postings it still is not evidence unless he is a liberal. Then you may jump to conclusions on his political stances or whether or not he is a rioter.

Destroying property to end murders = bad / Ending lives to stop the destruction of property = eh was it self defense?



Things you "learned" because that's how you interpret it, not as what is being said, but how you interpret it to fit your agenda.

[TimDunkem]

Things you "learned" because that's how you interpret it, not as what is being said, but how you interpret it to fit your agenda.
Go back in the thread and read weeks posts.

BTW you're the one who said number 5. Assumptions bad when it comes to your Kyle, but assumptions good when it comes to eyewitnesses at a BLM protest.

[ChumpDumper]

So let me get this straight, your argument is subject 1 committed a misdemeanor in public (that the people there at the time couldn't in any way prove - open carry of a long gun as a minor), is license to commit assault and potentially anything up to murder on subject 1, he has no self-defence rights at that point...

To illustrate just how bloody dumb an idea this is, let's consider something that could have happened 50 years ago, and didn't: Rosa Parks committed a (provable) misdemeanor by not giving up her seat to a white person, after the bus driver moved the colored people section sign. It would then have been legitimate to assault her...

Apparently you just believe that civil rights only apply to people you agree with politically.Yep Rosa Parks brought a gun on to the bus saying she was there to protect the steering wheel and give medical care to anyone who might need it.

[Nathan89]

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Time to shutdown the NBA.

[TimDunkem]

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Time to shutdown the NBA.
TF you talking about. You know they voted to continue playing right?

[cd98]

Likewise with your blatant disregard of facts because you were ignorant to them initially. His writings and political stances were all over his social media pages.

I haven't read his social media posts. That's one reason why I don't jump to conclusions. But all that I have heard to this point, is that he posts a lot about supporting police officers and that he may have attended a Trump rally. Posting support for the police is not exclusive to right wingers. Lots of democrats support police and any attempt to classify it one way or the other is just...stereotyping. Going to a Trump rally doesn't make one right wing. You have no knowledge of why he went to a Trump rally. Maybe he likes Trump because he likes the police, but doesn't support his other views. That's why your type of logic is unreliable. Your conclusions depend on your agenda, not on the facts themselves. And your assumptions are not based on facts, they are based on your agenda. I don't disregard facts, I just don't assume stuff I don't know for sure.

[TimDunkem]

So YOU don't have all the info, and are still arguing despite not having it because you have an agenda to push. Therefore, your assumptions = okay. Those about your Kyle = not.

Got it. :tu

[Nathan89]

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"peaceful protests"

[TimDunkem]

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"peaceful protests"
Tell us again how 200k COVID corpses are acceptable tho.

[cd98]

Go back in the thread and read weeks posts.

BTW you're the one who said number 5. Assumptions bad when it comes to your Kyle, but assumptions good when it comes to eyewitnesses at a BLM protest.

Ha. I haven't read his posts, so I don't know what he said. And I doubt you have either. You read reports that he went to a Trump rally and that he backs the men in blue and posts favorably about police. That's what was reported in the news. You haven't visited his Facebook account or whatever. You are just making assumptions that fit your agenda. I don't make judgments on liberals or conservatives based on a vague news report about what is on someone's social media. I wait for all the facts to come out and then I make a call based on the best information I have. I don't look for what would fit a particular agenda and then narrate the facts to that agenda.

[ChumpDumper]

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"peaceful protests"You don't want them to stop anymore than Posobiec or Trump do.

[Nathan89]

Tell us again how 200k COVID corpses are acceptable tho.

Seems relevant to the thread.

[cd98]

So YOU don't have all the info, and are still arguing despite not having it because you have an agenda to push. Therefore, your assumptions = okay. Those about your Kyle = not.

Got it. :tu

You don't read my posts, apparently. I haven't said the shooter is one way or the other politically. I haven't said he is guilty of murder or that he is justified in self defense. I've said we don't know. Which is correct because we don't have enough information. You are the one making determinations with no information.

[TimDunkem]

Ha. I haven't read his posts, so I don't know what he said. And I doubt you have either.


You haven't visited his Facebook account or whatever. You are just making assumptions that fit your agenda.

JFC :lmao

[TimDunkem]

You don't read my posts, apparently. I haven't said the shooter is one way or the other politically. I haven't said he is guilty of murder or that he is justified in self defense. I've said we don't know. Which is correct because we don't have enough information. You are the one making determinations with no information.
Yet you keep heavily implying that HE IS NOT a Trump supporter and even keep throwing out the possibility that he's a Dem who likes Trump's policy on cops. :lmao

[Nathan89]

You don't want them to stop anymore than Posobiec or Trump do.

There is benefit to mass exposure to the results of leftist ideology. The current Dem VP candidate is a race baiter that influences this nonsense.

[RD2191]

I'm not ignoring it... I've said over and over that he was there with an illegal firearm and thatll hell ultimately be found guilty of that.

You are though when you say he 'killed people he went looking for'...you don't know that you just want it to be that way.... facts are stubborn and he was retreating when he shot people...two physically attacked him...one pointed a gun at him.... this isnt even close to what you assert
Yes, but an incident occurred while having a firearm illegally, that matters. You can't just ignore the before.

Why else was he there if not to be a hero/vigilante? Does he own property there? Is he a law enforcement official?

[TimDunkem]

Seems relevant to the thread.
200k COVID corpses = acceptable

32 people dead during riots = America is falling apart!!

[cd98]

Yet you keep heavily implying that HE IS NOT a Trump supporter and even keep throwing out the possibility that he's a Dem who likes Trump's policy on cops. :lmao

Do you even read what I write? He might very well be a huge right wing Trump supporter. I'm saying I don't know. Until more facts come out, neither do you. I'm also pointing out that you can't make assumptions based on your stereotypes. But I understand that you can't see that because of your habit of stereotyping.

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You don't want them to stop anymore than Posobiec or Trump do.

Actually, most of us do want them to stop. I suspect that Posobiec and Trump would be happy with them stopping as well. Despite the fact that these riots are good for Trump in an electoral sense, they do an enormous amount of damage to the country, both economically and socially... We want a prosperous and strong America. We think it's a good thing.

[TimDunkem]

Do you even read what I write? He might very well be a huge right wing Trump supporter. I'm saying I don't know. Until more facts come out, neither do you. I'm also pointing out that you can't make assumptions based on your stereotypes. But I understand that you can't see that because of your habit of stereotyping.
I made assumptions based on his social media pages and actions that lead to death while you assumed I didn't see anything. :lmao

Assumptions okay unless it's about your Kyle.

[RD2191]

I agree with you that the kid shouldn't have been there with a gun, regardless if it was legally obtained or not. But I also think the protesters and rioters shouldn't have been there either. I think there was a curfew that they all violated and certainly they shouldn't have been there looting and burning businesses that had no involvement whatsoever with the police shooting, which in and of itself may have been justified under the circumstances (kind of need to wait for the evidence to come out before rushing to judgment).

I don't know that the 17 year old was a cold blooded murderer. He might have been. Or maybe he was a 17 year old that was emotional and caught up in the moment and felt threatened. I don't know. But inexperienced kids with guns should not be policing the streets. The governor should have called in the feds, but he didn't want to hand Trump a photo op, so instead he allowed this dangerous situation from all parties, including the rioters, to happen. He has as much blood on his hands as anyone.
This is a great post and something I can definitely agree with. This never should've been allowed to occur in the first place.

[TimDunkem]

This is a great post and something I can definitely agree with. This never should've been allowed to occur in the first place.
In any case, clear the patriot of all charges!

[Nathan89]

200k COVID corpses = acceptable

32 people dead during riots = America is falling apart!!

One is a pandemic. The other is the result of leftist lies in the pursuit of their political agenda.

[cd98]

I made assumptions based on his social media pages and actions that lead to death while you assumed I didn't see anything. :lmao

Assumptions okay unless it's about your Kyle.

Did you read his social media posts? Which accounts did you access? List the information that you rely on to conclude he is a right winger. Give particular details, not vague generalizations.

[TimDunkem]

One is a pandemic. The other is the result of leftist lies in the pursuit of their political agenda.
One was exacerbated by right-wing lies in the pursuit of their political agenda.

The 200k corpses were okay then.

[ChumpDumper]

There is benefit to mass exposure to the results of leftist ideology. The current Dem VP candidate is a race baiter that influences this nonsense.So you want more violence and killing.:tu

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[RD2191]

In any case, clear the patriot of all charges!
Tbh if the courts don't take take care of him, the streets should. I have my doubts though, the left seem to think this is all going to go down peacefully. If you wan't change, it ain't gonna come easy.

[Nathan89]

So you want more violence and killing.:tu

It's not about wanting. It's about seeing the positive side to leftist mobs trying to destroy the country.

[TimDunkem]

Did you read his social media posts? Which accounts did you access? List the information that you rely on to conclude he is a right winger. Give particular details, not vague generalizations.
Are you really going to say posting tiktoks yelling MAGA at a Trump rally and endless cop sucking posts is not evidence of being right wing? But being at a BLM protest is enough to say someone is definitely a rioter and their eyewitness account is worthless?

[RD2191]

Okay so the season is back on? :lol Talk about coming off as clowns. :lol LeBronze really wants that tainted ring.

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How dare this kid not allow this guy beat him in the head with a skateboard.

[ChumpDumper]

It's not about wanting. It's about seeing the positive side to leftist mobs trying to destroy the country.It is about wanting. You want it. It's OK to say just like it's OK to say why you went from Bernie Bro to white supremacist Trump supporter. You're just afraid to say either.

[RD2191]

Are you really going to say posting tiktoks yelling MAGA at a Trump rally and endless cop sucking posts is not evidence of being right wing? But being at a BLM protest is enough to say someone is definitely a rioter and their eyewitness account is worthless?
Tbh

[RD2191]

It's kind of funny how the white murderers always get the benefit of the doubt. Let's not jump to conclusions here guys! His MAGA posts and worship of police could mean anything!!! If this was a person of color he'd already be labeled as a piece of shit terrorists. This fat little fuck broke a few laws before committing murder, he's a piece of shit that was itching to kill someone, fuck him and anyone defending him.

[TimDunkem]

It's kind of funny how the white murderers always get the benefit of the doubt. Let's not jump to conclusions here guys! His MAGA posts and worship of police could mean anything!!! If this was a person of color he'd already be labeled as a piece of shit terrorists. This fat little fuck broke a few laws before committing murder, he's a piece of shit that was itching to kill someone, fuck him and anyone defending him.
Tbh.

[BackHome]

Well that was a short strike looks like basketball is going to be played today.

Nothing to see her just move on.

[cd98]

Are you really going to say posting tiktoks yelling MAGA at a Trump rally and endless cop sucking posts is not evidence of being right wing? But being at a BLM protest is enough to say someone is definitely a rioter and their eyewitness account is worthless?

Again, you are manipulating what I am saying into exactly what I am not saying and you are doing it because you want a certain narrative, regardless if it is true. I haven't looked at his tiktoks and if he went to a rally, I don't know why he was there or what he was screaming. I don't know if he was supporting Trump or protesting him. I don't know if he is right wing or just someone that supports the police. I don't know who were the rioters and who were the protesters in Wisconsin. I know that being a protester does not make one a rioter. I don't know if the people that were shot were protesters or rioters or both. I know businesses were burned down and looted and that these actions were wrong. I know that there was a curfew in place and everyone at the scene violated it. I know that the kid had no business policing the streets. I don't know if he shot people in self defense or out of cold blood. The evidence is not conclusive because if he shot the first guy in self defense, then I think he has an argument that the other two were self defense as well, if he shot the first guy in cold blood, then I don't think he has a self defense argument. But I don't know. That's my point. And neither do you. That's my other point. And I don't think we should make conclusions about an individual's motives based on stereotypes, especially when the categories for the stereotypes haven't been established with enough evidence.

[TimDunkem]

See how easy it is to admit you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about? :lol

But at least I knew what he was posting on social media. :tu

[cd98]

It's kind of funny how the white murderers always get the benefit of the doubt. Let's not jump to conclusions here guys! His MAGA posts and worship of police could mean anything!!! If this was a person of color he'd already be labeled as a piece of shit terrorists. This fat little fuck broke a few laws before committing murder, he's a piece of shit that was itching to kill someone, fuck him and anyone defending him.

Quite honestly, I don't think that most people jump to conclusions about the guilt or innocense of anyone, regardless of the color of their skin, absent smoking gun evidence. I think that some people making stereotypical conclusions based on race or perceived political identity, but I think that is the minority. His MAGA posts, or whatever, don't make him a white supremicist and it's not like he was shooting black men. So I think we should all wait for the facts to come out and then have the real debate over guilt or innocense.

[ChumpDumper]

The kid was a stupid LARPer who had no business being in Kenosha.

He wanted to be a cop so bad but never quite realized the cops aren't using live rounds in these situations.

[cd98]

See how easy it is to admit you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about? :lol

But at least I knew what he was posting on social media. :tu

Except you don't. You already concluded on no evidence that he was a right wing murderer that would like to see illegals shot in the head and dumped in Mexico and that he went there with an illegal firearm and shot three people in cold blood hoping to kill them because he knows that's what Trump would want him to do. You are a cartoon.

[TimDunkem]

Except you don't. You already concluded on no evidence that he was a right wing murderer that would like to see illegals shot in the head and dumped in Mexico and that he went there with an illegal firearm and shot three people in cold blood hoping to kill them because he knows that's what Trump would want him to do. You are a cartoon.
Fake news. Typical. :lol

[Nathan89]

Quite honestly, I don't think that most people jump to conclusions about the guilt or innocense of anyone, regardless of the color of their skin, absent smoking gun evidence. I think that some people making stereotypical conclusions based on race or perceived political identity, but I think that is the minority. His MAGA posts, or whatever, don't make him a white supremicist and it's not like he was shooting black men. So I think we should all wait for the facts to come out and then have the real debate over guilt or innocense.

Also, all irrelevant when you see videos of him shooting people attacking him. Pushing a baseless "white supremacy" narrative because he is white was egregious but saying he is "right leaning" is not really a big deal. The only problem with that is it's not really relevant and it's likely being used to win political points.

[TimDunkem]

The kid was a stupid LARPer who had no business being in Kenosha.

He wanted to be a cop so bad but never quite realized the cops aren't using live rounds in these situations.
It was okay to kill though when shit inevitably hit the fan. Hopefully the patriot gets out a free ma-...er child. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

It was okay to kill though when shit inevitably hit the fan. Hopefully the patriot gets out a free ma-...er child. :tuHe's not going to do any serious time. Rubes are going to give him enough praise and money so he can overdose on Oxy in five years.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Bro, everything in this kids past shows that he was looking for trouble or to be a hero.



So Fucking What?

You guys have already ruled out using someone's criminal past against them, and this kid didn't even have a criminal past. You can't have it both ways. Referees may always call the foul on the guy who retaliates, and not the one who instigates, but courts don't work that way. "Being there" is not a criminal offense, no matter how much you want it to be.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1299025421716004869?s=20

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1299025421716004869?s=20WAP

[TimDunkem]

WAP
He has never pleased his wife. She had to lie to him and say that a WAP is a medical issue. :lmao

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

This kid was 15 miles from home walking around with an assault rifle at a BLM protest.

Logic says he got exactly what he wanted.


I blame his parents.

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I deal professionally with lots of rural landowners and ranchers that are big Trump fans. And none of them have ever expressed anything like what you speak. Your statement is ignorant. I'm sorry you are the victim of racism. But that doesn't give you special insight to the thoughts of people you don't know and have never met.

Lol. I'm in a construction adjacent business. And I've had the complete opposite experience. When they think youreon Team Right Wing Nut Job and ride the Trump Train, they let loose with all kinds of racist anti-immigrant vitriol.

I'm not surprised by any of it.

I had a guy tell me a couple months ago when the George Floyd incident happened, that if one BLM mofo even came close to his car, he would shoot and let the bodies sort themselves out.

It just underscores that most of you conservatives are simply scared little kids. And psychological science actually backs that up. You guys simply have a fear gene that makes you scared of the unknown and of the other, all the time.

[Nathan89]

Wow. Someone was expressing their frustration with regards to the violent BLM mob. How dare he.

[SpurSpike]

"Players’ association executives Chris Paul (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3930/) and Andre Iguodala (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3826/) explained the financial ramifications of bailing on the season, detailing how the CBA could get torn up by the owners and place them in a position of decreased salaries moving forward, sources said."

So all it took for them to resume play was to tell them this will effect their pocket book in the future.... Suddenly they want to finish the season LOL.

Full article here https://sports.yahoo.com/after-a-night-of-rest-players-vote-to-resume-nba-playoffs-164227334.html

[Arcadian]

Great, so they effectively prolonged the season by 2 days. That'll show 'em!

[exstatic]

Great, so they effectively prolonged the season by 2 days. That'll show 'em!

It doesn’t matter. They had already postponed the draft. A few days one way or another won’t make a difference.

[TimDunkem]

I don't disagree with the outcome. Just the path the players took to get there. The whole thing seems like a toothless stunt, and gives ammo to Laura Ingraham types.

Hopefully the players and owners came to an agreement to do more and this isn't all about simply losing 30% of the paychecks.

[RD2191]

So Fucking What?

You guys have already ruled out using someone's criminal past against them, and this kid didn't even have a criminal past. You can't have it both ways. Referees may always call the foul on the guy who retaliates, and not the one who instigates, but courts don't work that way. "Being there" is not a criminal offense, no matter how much you want it to be.
It was though, since there was an 8:00 pm curfew. Also he had a firearm, illegally. It is what it is.

[tbdog]

Both wrong.

Jacob Blake, the Kenosha man, whose police shooting has led to fatal riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin, was found by the Wisconsin Department of Justice (DOJ) Division of Criminal Investigation (DCI) to have had a weapon on the floorboard of his vehicle.

I was wrong too. It wasn't two officers who were shot in a similar incident - it was three.

National File recently reported on a similar story in Pennsylvania, where uncooperative suspects walked away from officers and retreated to their vehicles, only to open fire on police immediately after. Three officers were wounded (https://nationalfile.com/video-3-police-shot-after-suspects-retreated-to-car-opened-doors-on-same-day-as-kenosha-shooting/) in the incident.

The knife was on him. He dropped it after being shot. Unless there is another knife.

[baseline bum]

He's not going to do any serious time. Rubes are going to give him enough praise and money so he can overdose on Oxy in five years.

Dude was headed that way anyways. LOL 17 year-old dropout SAWM.

[RD2191]

Dude was headed that way anyways. LOL 17 year-old dropout SAWM.
:rollin

[Crazymaddopeyo]

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1299025421716004869?s=20

Way to post the biggest dipshit right now. It’s pretty simple, when people have been shit on for hundreds of years maybe that sparks some anger. I don’t think anyone was looting and why did this kid feel it was his duty to protect a TJ Maxx. Maybe the problem with Republicans is that they always prioritize money and property over human lives. Fuck them.

[Spurs oman]

Any news on restart time shedule ?

[TD 21]

Didn't bother reading any of the cesspool of rhetoric from the usual suspects (once these vermin revealed themselves months ago, I was immediately done reading anything they had to say), but this thread, among others in recent months perfectly encapsulates the ignorance, segregation and stupidity in this country.

Said vermin are fed this nonsense from birth, brainwashed by their cult, which spins everything and keeps them in the dark and as uneducated as possible, to continue to perpetuate the state of the country and they lap it up like the disgusting, senseless beings they are.

[Texas_Ranger]

Way to post the biggest dipshit right now. It’s pretty simple, when people have been shit on for hundreds of years maybe that sparks some anger. I don’t think anyone was looting and why did this kid feel it was his duty to protect a TJ Maxx. Maybe the problem with Republicans is that they always prioritize money and property over human lives. Fuck them.

You re right. Who needs money, or why care if your property gets burned to the ground... go get a molotov and start a protest mate. Have fun at it.

[Chinook]

Way to post the biggest dipshit right now. It’s pretty simple, when people have been shit on for hundreds of years maybe that sparks some anger. I don’t think anyone was looting and why did this kid feel it was his duty to protect a TJ Maxx. Maybe the problem with Republicans is that they always prioritize money and property over human lives. Fuck them.

Unfortunately, the fetishizing of property isn't close to being a GOP-only issue. This country was built on the idea that property determined political power. In some ways it's gotten better, but in a lot of ways that idea continues to poison the American soul.

[Nathan89]

I can see the people trying to protect property are the problem and not the looters and people burning down property.

[Nathan89]

They weren't shot for attacking property. They were shot because they are a violent mob and decided to attack the guy with a gun.