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ChumpDumper
08-27-2020, 04:23 PM
You re right. Who needs money, or why care if your property gets burned to the ground... go get a molotov and start a protest mate. Have fun at it.What property of his was Kyle protectiing?

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 04:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Chesschick01/status/1299086070043283457?s=20

Crazymaddopeyo
08-27-2020, 04:27 PM
https://twitter.com/Chesschick01/status/1299086070043283457?s=20


This meme doesn't even make sense. Right wingers desperate to come out of this not looking like un patriotic racists.

Texas_Ranger
08-27-2020, 04:28 PM
What property of his was Kyle protectiing?

U are walking down the street and see a guy throwing molotovs and destroying someones house or building. Do u do something?

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 04:28 PM
https://twitter.com/SenGianaris/status/1298691486700249093?s=20

Evil people are demonizing self defense. They want you to sit down and take the beating the leftist mob decides you deserve.

Crazymaddopeyo
08-27-2020, 04:30 PM
You re right. Who needs money, or why care if your property gets burned to the ground... go get a molotov and start a protest mate. Have fun at it.

I am right I know. Maybe lets re distribute that money from millionaires and billionaires to everyone and we won't have to worry about money anymore. Way to ignore the part of a whole race being angry for being shit on for years and years and years and years. I think a bit of anger is healthy at this point.

ChumpDumper
08-27-2020, 04:31 PM
U are walking down the street and see a guy throwing molotovs and destroying someones house or building. Do u do something?So he wasn't protecting anything of his own. Thank you.

I'd tell the cops in the armored car I was just talking to a couple minutes earlier.

Texas_Ranger
08-27-2020, 04:33 PM
I am right I know. Maybe lets re distribute that money from millionaires and billionaires to everyone and we won't have to worry about money anymore. Way to ignore the part of a whole race being angry for being shit on for years and years and years and years. I think a bit of anger is healthy at this point.

You do know that the best place by far in the whole world to be black is usa.
But hey, if you want some comunism stuff i am sure they would be more happy in china.

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 04:33 PM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299044152831643648?s=20

BLM is a violent and racist movement.

Chinook
08-27-2020, 04:33 PM
I can see the people trying to protect property are the problem and not the looters and people burning down property.

Well that's a pleasant surprise.

BacktoBasics
08-27-2020, 04:36 PM
The kid actually showed remarkable composure when defending himself against his attackers.

This kids life is ruined because people like you incite and empower others with hate and vitriol.

You destroyed this kids life because you’re a racist. Good job destroying the life of one of your own.

dbestpro
08-27-2020, 04:51 PM
This kid was 15 miles from home walking around with an assault rifle at a BLM protest.

Logic says he got exactly what he wanted.


I blame his parents.

So every person who uses a gun in a negative way is the fault of the parent? Does that include all races?

dbestpro
08-27-2020, 04:53 PM
Maybe they don't want to dance for white people who don't give a shit that police keep murdering them?

The people who don't give a shit are not watching them anyway.

cd98
08-27-2020, 04:56 PM
Taking a step back from whether or not he is guilty of murder (we don't have enough facts to know at this point), I don't see any legitimate defense for him being there. I think all of us here agree that the looting and the burning of businesses is unjust and we don't like it. But none of us are loading up our guns and going down there to protect property. I don't know the law in Wisconsin, but I'm betting that there is not a right to use deadly force to protect personal property or even real property that is being burned. Maybe if there was someone stuck inside a building and you were using deadly force to stop a crime where the consequence is death, then you have an excuse. But stopping robbers in a riot using deadly force is bad news for someone that doesn't even live in the state and drove their intentionally to protect property with a gun, which implies the intent to use deadly force.

Now we don't know if the people shot were agitators, protesters, or looters. So we don't know if he was really protecting property when he shot the three people. So while the kid may have been there to protect property, there is no evidence as of yet that he was shooting anyone to protect property. There is some indication in might be self defense, but a lot of that depends on why the first person shot was chasing him and if the kid heard a gun shot and thought he was returning fire, and if the kid provoked the violence.

But all of that is mute if the kid stayed home where he belonged. If the business owners feel passionately about using deadly force to protect their place of business, that is there choice and their consequences. If they chose to stay home, the kid should have done the same. That doesn't excuse the looting and the arson. Those are despicable. But even if the people shot had violent pasts or had criminal records or were sex offenders, the shooter didn't know that when he shot them and it was not a justification for being killed. Now if they were attacking the kid, especially the first guy, then that changes things. But we don't know the motives of everyone as of yet, so we have to find that out first to the best of what the evidence shows.

TXstbobcat
08-27-2020, 05:02 PM
Just maybe it’s not a good idea for a 17 year old to have an assault rifle???

TimDunkem
08-27-2020, 05:05 PM
You do know that the best place by far in the whole world to be black is usa.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

cd98
08-27-2020, 05:06 PM
Just maybe it’s not a good idea for a 17 year old to have an assault rifle???

I don't know that you can say that for sure, but it's certainly a bad idea for one to have one, go to a riot, and think that a situation won't arise where someone gets aggressive with him and he might shoot and kill them. It's an entirely predictable outcome and while 17 year olds are mostly naive, you'd think his parents would know if he left to another state with a gun intent on defending property. That can only end poorly and it has ended as poorly as could be imagined. If his defense can't come up with a legitimate case of self defense, he's going to jail for a long time.

ChumpDumper
08-27-2020, 05:06 PM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299044152831643648?s=20

BLM is a violent and racist movement.Prove that was a BLM member.

Gibbz
08-27-2020, 05:09 PM
Imagine following Andy Ngo :lmao

TXstbobcat
08-27-2020, 05:13 PM
I don't know that you can say that for sure, but it's certainly a bad idea for one to have one, go to a riot, and think that a situation won't arise where someone gets aggressive with him and he might shoot and kill them. It's an entirely predictable outcome and while 17 year olds are mostly naive, you'd think his parents would know if he left to another state with a gun intent on defending property. That can only end poorly and it has ended as poorly as could be imagined. If his defense can't come up with a legitimate case of self defense, he's going to jail for a long time.

this immature 17 year old kid made choices that knowingly put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time with an assault rifle. He was definitely looking for trouble and it found him. His life is now ruined and I think he is to blame for it based on his decision making.

cd98
08-27-2020, 05:17 PM
this immature 17 year old kid made choices that knowingly put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time with an assault rifle. He was definitely looking for trouble and it found him. His life is now ruined and I think he is to blame for it based on his decision making.

My point is that not all 17 year olds with an assault rife are going to do that, though this one definitely did.

Texas_Ranger
08-27-2020, 05:26 PM
a friend of the guy that was shot in the arm said, that his friend told him he regrets not killing him and not emptying the entire mag in him... well unlucky. next time be faster faggot.

Chinook
08-27-2020, 05:32 PM
a friend of the guy that was shot in the arm said, that his friend told him he regrets not killing him and not emptying the entire mag in him... well unlucky. next time be faster faggot.

Spoken like a true Texas Ranger.

exstatic
08-27-2020, 05:39 PM
Any news on restart time shedule ?

Probably Saturday, but nothing is set yet.

exstatic
08-27-2020, 05:40 PM
U are walking down the street and see a guy throwing molotovs and destroying someones house or building. Do u do something?

Call the police.

Chinook
08-27-2020, 05:45 PM
Call the police.

It's amazing that there's any other answer in some people's minds.

ChumpDumper
08-27-2020, 05:51 PM
Call the police.


It's amazing that there's any other answer in some people's minds.:lol Literally turn around and call the police that are walking and driving all around you.

cd98
08-27-2020, 05:52 PM
It's amazing that there's any other answer in some people's minds.

As always, it depends. If someone is burning property or looting, then generally the best answer is to back away. If someone is committing arson and there is an innocent person in the building, then intervening makes sense. The law has a rule and then exceptions. If a guy is throwing molotovs in the homes of residents, yes you call the police, but if you have a gun, you don't shoot him to save several innocent lives? If you were able to get your hands on the Sandy Hook shooter, you don't do it?

Every situation is different. That said, the 17 year old kid was not in these situations and should not have tried to be a lethal batman to protect property that didn't belong to him.

That said, blood is on the governor's hands. He declined federal help and only sent in a third of the national guard he had at his disposal. He's getting a free ride in this discussion and he is the one that could have stopped this violence and enforced the curfew he set.

Davidicus2
08-27-2020, 05:59 PM
17yo Illinois kid drives 15 miles to Wisconsin town, on night #3 of highly-charged protests. He wants to protect Wisconsin property, so he brings an illegal assault rifle. This sounds like a great idea, please proceed.

He surprisingly gets in a fight with someone with much larger muscles, and shoots him in the head.

The rest of the crowd identifies him as the shooter, chases him down to attempt to disarm him so he doesn’t kill anyone else. Kid shoots and kills another life in disarming attempt. Another is shot in the arm.

Did those protestors deserve to die for being out after curfew, having a sexual offense in their criminal record, potentially destroying property, or attempting to disarm someone who had just ended a life? No.

Did Jacob Blake deserve to get shot 9 times for approaching his car, even with a knife (KNIFE!) at the bottom of his driver side? No.

PUNISHMENT SHOULD FIT THE CRIME, after due process of the law. In the heat of the moment, disarming tactics should be equivalent to the threat.

These people didn’t deserve what was handed to them, and it’s been going on for centuries. If Trump supporters really want “law and order”, they would agree.

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 06:02 PM
This kids life is ruined because people like you incite and empower others with hate and vitriol.

You destroyed this kids life because you’re a racist. Good job destroying the life of one of your own.

Actually the people attacking him caused the great emotional damage he'll suffer as consequence of being forced to shoot him. Leftists painting him as a racist/white supremacist based on nothing will also be a problem. Sadly some these people are politicians.

daslicer
08-27-2020, 06:03 PM
17yo Illinois kid drives 15 miles to Wisconsin town, on night #3 of highly-charged protests. He wants to protect Wisconsin property, so he brings an illegal assault rifle. This sounds like a great idea, please proceed.

He surprisingly gets in a fight with someone with much larger muscles, and shoots him in the head.

The rest of the crowd identifies him as the shooter, chases him down to attempt to disarm him so he doesn’t kill anyone else. Kid shoots and kills another life in disarming attempt. Another is shot in the arm.

Did those protestors deserve to die for being out after curfew, having a sexual offense in their criminal record, potentially destroying property, or attempting to disarm someone who had just ended a life? No.

Did Jacob Blake deserve to get shot 9 times for approaching his car, even with a knife (KNIFE!) at the bottom of his driver side? No.

PUNISHMENT SHOULD FIT THE CRIME, after due process of the law. In the heat of the moment, disarming tactics should be equivalent to the threat.

These people didn’t deserve what was handed to them, and it’s been going on for centuries. If Trump supporters really want “law and order”, they would agree.

This kid was an idiot. When you are that age you are looking for conflict which he was seeking by showing up there with a gun.

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 06:03 PM
Just maybe it’s not a good idea for a 17 year old to have an assault rifle???

He didn't do anything wrong with so I'm not sure why you'd make this comment. There were younger Americans in WW2 tbh

cd98
08-27-2020, 06:06 PM
Just to clarify, was it an illegal assault rifle or what it just illegal for him to have the assault rifle in public because he was 17 and the minimum age is 18? Just want clarification because the way it is written, it sounds like he illegally obtained the gun or that owning such a gun was illegal and I haven't read that and that makes a difference on some level.

cd98
08-27-2020, 06:08 PM
He didn't do anything wrong with so I'm not sure why you'd make this comment. There were younger Americans in WW2 tbh

It's up in the air whether he committed murder. We don't know enough. But I think we can all agree he was better off staying in Illinois and not coming down uninvited and armed with a weapon that he was not trained to use in that setting. He did some things that were very wrong. He may have committed murder, but we don't know enough yet to know if it was self defense or homicide.

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 06:10 PM
a friend of the guy that was shot in the arm said, that his friend told him he regrets not killing him and not emptying the entire mag in him... well unlucky. next time be faster faggot.

Yup, they were trying to kill an innocent kid. Good thing he came out on top.

https://twitter.com/JollyHighwayman/status/1299092380893745155?s=20

This is the guy that got his arm shot that regrets not killing him. He has his gun on him in the image. The kid would have been killed if he waited any longer. Also there were people in the politics forum telling me this shot was a bad shot. They were saying he "had his hands up" and "was moving towards the shot victim to help him". These people are very biased. They can't see reality.

Crazymaddopeyo
08-27-2020, 06:11 PM
You do know that the best place by far in the whole world to be black is usa.
But hey, if you want some comunism stuff i am sure they would be more happy in china.

Now where exactly did you get that information? I'm more of a democratic socialist so no thanks on the communism stuff.

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 06:16 PM
It's up in the air whether he committed murder. We don't know enough. But I think we can all agree he was better off staying in Illinois and not coming down uninvited and armed with a weapon that he was not trained to use in that setting. He did some things that were very wrong. He may have committed murder, but we don't know enough yet to know if it was self defense or homicide.

He traveled an entire 20 minutes. Let's stop acting like he drove across the country. And who gives a damn about being invited? Nobody regular citizen is trained for the "being attacked by a mob" setting but he seemed trained. Every thing we know indicates self defense but yes something could change.

TimDunkem
08-27-2020, 06:18 PM
Spoken like a true Texas Ranger.
:lmao :tu Exactly what I thought.

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 06:23 PM
Call the police.

The police are overwhelmed by the BLM mobs. Maybe the media and politicians should stop shielding and encouraging them. Maybe they should accept Federal assistance when offered.

Sugus
08-27-2020, 06:26 PM
Just maybe it’s not a good idea for a 17 year old to have an assault rifle???


I don't know that you can say that for sure,

America summed up in two lines. What's wrong with you people

cd98
08-27-2020, 06:29 PM
He traveled an entire 20 minutes. Let's stop acting like he drove across the country. And who gives a damn about being invited? Nobody regular citizen is trained for the "being attacked by a mob" setting but he seemed trained. Every thing we know indicates self defense but yes something could change.


I didn't know it was 20 minutes away. But I still think we can all agree that a 17 year old teenager armed with a semi automatic rifle should not have shown up to a mob/riot to take on the role left to police officers. You are right that no regular citizen is trained to do that, but that is also why he shouldn't have been there. From the footage, I think there is an argument that he was under attack and that some of it might have been self defense, but we don't know what was said and we don't know what happened outside of those videos. But you can't expect a 17 year old to make good decisions with a gun when he is in a high conflict area like that. He should not have gotten involved and I think we can all agree on that.

FkLA
08-27-2020, 06:29 PM
So much bullshit in this post. :lol

Why is it so hard for some people to objectively analyze situations? Are y'all really that swayed by political affiliation?



17yo Illinois kid drives 15 miles to Wisconsin town, on night #3 of highly-charged protests. He wants to protect Wisconsin property, so he brings an illegal assault rifle. This sounds like a great idea, please proceed.

He surprisingly gets in a fight with someone with much larger muscles, and shoots him in the head.

Gets in a fight?

Correction: the guy who got shot threw a bottle at the 17 yr old and then charged him from behind. Guy that got shot was 5'3" btw.


The rest of the crowd identifies him as the shooter, chases him down to attempt to disarm him so he doesn’t kill anyone else. Kid shoots and kills another life in disarming attempt. Another is shot in the arm.

Correction: 17 yr old called 911 after shooting first guy and was running towards police and away from the mob. There were dozens of people on the streets that he could've targeted if he was looking to kill more. The only people he shot at were people who charged him and posed a threat.


Did those protestors deserve to die for being out after curfew, having a sexual offense in their criminal record, potentially destroying property, or attempting to disarm someone who had just ended a life? No.

Deserve is a strong word.

They're not victims though. They played their role in their deaths.


Did Jacob Blake deserve to get shot 9 times for approaching his car, even with a knife (KNIFE!) at the bottom of his driver side? No.

PUNISHMENT SHOULD FIT THE CRIME, after due process of the law. In the heat of the moment, disarming tactics should be equivalent to the threat.

These people didn’t deserve what was handed to them, and it’s been going on for centuries. If Trump supporters really want “law and order”, they would agree.

Its easy to say that from the comfort of your home. If I'm a cop, get told earlier in the day that a fellow cop got shot by a guy who went back into their car, then I find myself in a similar situation with a non-compliant individual... I might be on edge too. Not to mention kidnapping of kids was a possibility.

I don't know if the cop made the right call or not. I just think the situation is a lot more complex than "look at cops targeting innocent black people why don't they love us :cry". The way the left media paints it, you'd think this could happen to any black person just because of the color of their skin. In reality, its usually happening to people that are first and foremost criminals.

FkLA
08-27-2020, 06:36 PM
Putting someone like Elijah McClain, who from what I've seen truly was an innocent victim, in the same category as some of these thugs is an insult to Elijah, imo.

Not every black person that gets shot by a cop is a victim.

cd021
08-27-2020, 06:44 PM
Nah, I'll continue to shit of the groupthink league that pretends to champion diversity.

Is it group think just because you don't agree with a large contingent?

Chinook
08-27-2020, 06:49 PM
Putting someone like Elijah McClain, who from what I've seen truly was an innocent victim, in the same category as some of these thugs is an insult to Elijah, imo.

Not every black person that gets shot by a cop is a victim.

You can be a victim and criminal at the same time.

cd021
08-27-2020, 06:53 PM
What can they do? You think this shit is free? Owners don't own teams to reform Social Justice. They care about making money.. We are headed for a long lock out.. You have any idea how much ad revenue gets flushed down the toilet if the players bail? Trust me that is what the owners care about.. And fans want Basketball.

If the players had decided to walk out on the season, how do you think it would've played if the owners demanded that they come back and finish out the playoffs? The owners claiming that they were behind them but not really being behind them would've caused a backlash. The NBA looks pretty good now, standing behind their players and letting them decide how to proceed.

Other leagues have taken note. As for the CBA, its unclear whether they owners will opt out it. They and the players association have a pretty good working relationship. Are they going to blow it up because of a pandemic?

Sugus
08-27-2020, 07:01 PM
To shed some outsider's perspective on this: most people ITT are really missing the point. You can go back and forth over whether it was self defense or not, the circumstances regarding the shooting all day long... But how can anyone really try to justify a seventeen-year-old boy having access to, and being allowed to freely roam with, a literal assault rifle? Think about this again... A 17-year-old. Not even out of highscool. With access to an ASSAULT RIFLE. How can you gloss over this major, ridiculous, issue? I feel like Americans always do this though; every time there's a shooting incident, each side tries to spin the narrative, who's right vs who's wrong or who's to blame... Nobody questions why the shootings can happen in the first place. The response to this shooting should be unanimous disgust at the state of the US' gun policies and checks (or lack thereof) on who can access guns, where they can have access to or carry them, and the culture regarding gun worship in general.

I don't care whether this boy goes to jail or not... He's not even an adult. Literal teenager, confused, malleable, rageful - only in the US, he has access to weapons of mass murder instead of taking his anger out on videogames or his parents or whatever, like teenagers in the rest of the world do. I know, second amendment, gun rights, all that yadda-yadda... How good is it when you have cases like this on the regular? I don't see Americans talking about this like they should, and frankly I don't know if they're ready for that conversation.

Davidicus2
08-27-2020, 07:02 PM
So much bullshit in this post. :lol

Why is it so hard for some people to objectively analyze situations? Are y'all really that swayed by political affiliation?




Gets in a fight?

Correction: the guy who got shot threw a bottle at the 17 yr old and then charged him from behind. Guy that got shot was 5'3" btw.



Correction: 17 yr old called 911 after shooting first guy and was running towards police and away from the mob. There were dozens of people on the streets that he could've targeted if he was looking to kill more. The only people he shot at were people who charged him and posed a threat.



Deserve is a strong word.

They're not victims though. They played their role in their deaths.



Its easy to say that from the comfort of your home. If I'm a cop, get told earlier in the day that a fellow cop got shot by a guy who went back into their car, then I find myself in a similar situation with a non-compliant individual... I might be on edge too. Not to mention kidnapping of kids was a possibility.

I don't know if the cop made the right call or not. I just think the situation is a lot more complex than "look at cops targeting innocent black people why don't they love us :cry". The way the left media paints it, you'd think this could happen to any black person just because of the color of their skin. In reality, its usually happening to people that are first and foremost criminals.

Yes, let’s objectively analyze:

Rational people don’t need an AR-15 shot to head to defend against a bottle and two arms.

Rational people would try to disarm an armed person who just shot someone in the head, and wouldn’t know or mattered if that shooter had called 911 or anyone for that matter, he just shot someone in the head. Rational people would feel their lives are in extreme danger. The ones that were ballsy enough to try to stop him got killed or shot as well.

Rational people wouldn’t equate these victims actions to justifying their instant death penalty. “They played their role in their deaths”, yeah so did the people going to work at the World Trade Center on 9/11, what is wrong with you?

And from the comfort of your own home, you get to paint broad strokes about the probability of why a black man warranted 9 gunshots to the back because he was “probably a criminal.”

The Kyle situation is fucking stupid. The Jacob Blake situation is complex I agree, because blacks have been put in the shitter for centuries and are still living with the economic and racial consequences today. But the simple ask of better training and less use of extreme force in non-warranted situations to prevent loss of life is as basic and rational as it gets. That’s just my opinion..

Davidicus2
08-27-2020, 07:07 PM
To shed some outsider's perspective on this: most people ITT are really missing the point. You can go back and forth over whether it was self defense or not, the circumstances regarding the shooting all day long... But how can anyone really try to justify a seventeen-year-old boy having access to, and being allowed to freely roam with, a literal assault rifle? Think about this again... A 17-year-old. Not even out of highscool. With access to an ASSAULT RIFLE. How can you gloss over this major, ridiculous, issue? I feel like Americans always do this though; every time there's a shooting incident, each side tries to spin the narrative, who's right vs who's wrong or who's to blame... Nobody questions why the shootings can happen in the first place. The response to this shooting should be unanimous disgust at the state of the US' gun policies and checks (or lack thereof) on who can access guns, where they can have access to or carry them, and the culture regarding gun worship in general.

I don't care whether this boy goes to jail or not... He's not even an adult. Literal teenager, confused, malleable, rageful - only in the US, he has access to weapons of mass murder instead of taking his anger out on videogames or his parents or whatever, like teenagers in the rest of the world do. I know, second amendment, gun rights, all that yadda-yadda... How good is it when you have cases like this on the regular? I don't see Americans talking about this like they should, and frankly I don't know if they're ready for that conversation.

It’s illegal for a 17yo to have one, but regardless I agree with your thoughts. None of this is going to get meaningfully better until the guns are gone, on both sides. 2 sides both having access to lethal weapons are simply going to continue to create these scenarios, the plain physics of it all.

pad300
08-27-2020, 07:16 PM
You can be a victim and criminal at the same time.

This is true, you can be a open carrying a firearm while underage, a misdemeanor, when numerous thugs try to assault you...

FkLA
08-27-2020, 07:28 PM
You can be a victim and criminal at the same time.

I mean I guess its possible. Its just not the case for these guys the left is trying to prop up as martyrs.

I don't get the desire to shed tears over criminals.

Chinook
08-27-2020, 07:29 PM
This is true, you can be a open carrying a firearm while underage, a misdemeanor, when numerous thugs try to assault you...

Such a situation is possible. But it misses the point. Being a criminal doesn't warrant a person getting killed (at all, really, but especially) without due process. Even after the boy start ed killing people, he didn't "deserve" to die because of it. Of course, depending on the situation, he may have been posing a threat before any real violence went down. I don't know. I don't even have a basic timeline for anything other than the person he shot that was pursuing him. If he had already killed someone and was running through around with a loaded weapon, I can see why people didn't see him as a victim trying to deescalate but rather a killer running to get clear so he could kill more people. Certainly, to characterize the people attacking him as "thugs" editorializes the situation beyond what I've seen to warrant.

But of course, I'm happy the kid gets to have his day in court rather than having been killed without due process. That should be the standard for every accused or even guilty party. That's fine. My issue is with people thinking it's fine for folks to be gunned down because of crimes they've committed. Being alive is what gives you the right to life, not being virtuous.

You're my dog, Pad, especially over on RGM. Would rather not jeopardize that.

Chinook
08-27-2020, 07:33 PM
I mean I guess its possible. Its just not the case for these guys the left is trying to prop up as martyrs.

I don't get the desire to shed tears over criminals.

It's not just possible. It's extremely common. It's never been a requirement for "martyrs" to be angels. No offense, but believing so seems really childish.

Sugus
08-27-2020, 07:37 PM
It’s illegal for a 17yo to have one, but regardless I agree with your thoughts. None of this is going to get meaningfully better until the guns are gone, on both sides. 2 sides both having access to lethal weapons are simply going to continue to create these scenarios, the plain physics of it all.

The thing is - it has become so normalized in US culture to bear weapons and gun culture in general, that nobody dares question it anymore. This 17-year-old boy (I'm not referring to him as a man) had illegal access to an assault rifle, an unthinkable event in most countries that aren't actively war torn; he then drove down to another state, crossed state lines (!) and was out and about searching for confrontation in public, carrying said rifle. Where's the checks? Where's the protections? Where's the officers asking to see his license for carry, telling him to go home and stripping him of his weapon before he can even think about hurting someone? How do Americans expect police officers to be able to tell the difference between a mass shooter, and a civilian openly carrying a rifle, if no regular person can?

The fact that underage carrying of a firearm is a "misdemeanor" is already laughable. Americans have just lost all sense of the danger inherent to firearms, so y'all (not you especially, just everyone) go on with these prerrogatives that sound absolutely insane to anyone from more normal places. I hope that a lot of self-reflection comes out of the current movements for change, because there isn't a "right" or "wrong" side to this. As you perfectly said, as long as a teenager and everyone else has access to lethal weapons, it will just happen again and again.

pad300
08-27-2020, 07:45 PM
It’s illegal for a 17yo to have one, ...
You're wrong. He's a resident of Illinois, From Wikipedia:
"To legally possess or purchase firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) card, which is issued by the Illinois State Police.[4] The police must issue FOID cards to eligible applicants. An applicant is disqualified if he or she has been convicted of a felony or an act of domestic violence, is the subject of an order of protection, has been convicted of assault or battery or been a patient in a mental institution within the last five years, has been adjudicated as a mental defective, or is an illegal immigrant.[5] Applicants under the age of 21 must have the written consent of a parent or legal guardian who is also legally able to possess firearms.[6]"

The bolded is key. It's also not abnormal for a kid to have a firearms certificate. I got one at 13, in Canada, through Cadets... (that does date me a bit, I'll admit).

TXstbobcat
08-27-2020, 07:50 PM
He didn't do anything wrong with so I'm not sure why you'd make this comment. There were younger Americans in WW2 tbh

was it legal for him to have the assault rifle?

pad300
08-27-2020, 07:52 PM
By the by, to all the people calling it an assault rifle. You don't know what you're talking about. It is not an assault rifle. It is a semi-automatic rifle; 1 pull of the trigger 1 bullet. Assault rifles are automatic; 1 pull of the trigger, multiple bullets.

Davidicus2
08-27-2020, 08:01 PM
By the by, to all the people calling it an assault rifle. You don't know what you're talking about. It is not an assault rifle. It is a semi-automatic rifle; 1 pull of the trigger 1 bullet. Assault rifles are automatic; 1 pull of the trigger, multiple bullets.

Thank you for the info. The AR-15 is still, however, extremely lethal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/

RD2191
08-27-2020, 08:01 PM
You're wrong. He's a resident of Illinois, From Wikipedia:
"To legally possess or purchase firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) card, which is issued by the Illinois State Police.[4] The police must issue FOID cards to eligible applicants. An applicant is disqualified if he or she has been convicted of a felony or an act of domestic violence, is the subject of an order of protection, has been convicted of assault or battery or been a patient in a mental institution within the last five years, has been adjudicated as a mental defective, or is an illegal immigrant.[5] Applicants under the age of 21 must have the written consent of a parent or legal guardian who is also legally able to possess firearms.[6]"

The bolded is key. It's also not abnormal for a kid to have a firearms certificate. I got one at 13, in Canada, through Cadets... (that does date me a bit, I'll admit).
I'm pretty sure that's meant for hunting, not to use in the middle of a riot. So maybe him owning it wasn't illegal but it was illegal for him to have it out in the street during a riot.

RD2191
08-27-2020, 08:03 PM
Yes, let’s objectively analyze:

Rational people don’t need an AR-15 shot to head to defend against a bottle and two arms.

Rational people would try to disarm an armed person who just shot someone in the head, and wouldn’t know or mattered if that shooter had called 911 or anyone for that matter, he just shot someone in the head. Rational people would feel their lives are in extreme danger. The ones that were ballsy enough to try to stop him got killed or shot as well.

Rational people wouldn’t equate these victims actions to justifying their instant death penalty. “They played their role in their deaths”, yeah so did the people going to work at the World Trade Center on 9/11, what is wrong with you?

And from the comfort of your own home, you get to paint broad strokes about the probability of why a black man warranted 9 gunshots to the back because he was “probably a criminal.”

The Kyle situation is fucking stupid. The Jacob Blake situation is complex I agree, because blacks have been put in the shitter for centuries and are still living with the economic and racial consequences today. But the simple ask of better training and less use of extreme force in non-warranted situations to prevent loss of life is as basic and rational as it gets. That’s just my opinion..
:tu Great post.

pad300
08-27-2020, 08:13 PM
Thank you for the info. The AR-15 is still, however, extremely lethal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/

The article is fear porn. Yeah, rifle bullets are much more lethal than handgun rounds. Much more powder, much longer barrel = much faster bullet. But AR-15's are not super death rifles, they are pretty typical rifles. A 30.06 hunting rifle will do just as much damage (actually, more...).

Davidicus2
08-27-2020, 08:18 PM
The article is fear porn. Yeah, rifle bullets are much more lethal than handgun rounds. Much more powder, much longer barrel = much faster bullet. But AR-15's are not super death rifles, they are pretty typical rifles. A 30.06 hunting rifle will do just as much damage (actually, more...).

Right. Not trying to single out the AR-15. The point is, most rifles are very lethal, and shouldn’t be in the hands of anyone except well-trained and highly responsible gun owners. Which we are far from today.

ChumpDumper
08-27-2020, 08:19 PM
The article is fear porn. Yeah, rifle bullets are much more lethal than handgun rounds. Much more powder, much longer barrel = much faster bullet. But AR-15's are not super death rifles, they are pretty typical rifles. A 30.06 hunting rifle will do just as much damage (actually, more...).:lol no big deal....

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08-27-2020, 08:19 PM
I can see the people trying to protect property are the problem and not the looters and people burning down property.

Ppl don't typically set fire to buildings on live TV unless they're fucking hopeless and pissed beyond belief.

Perhaps you should check your ignorance at the door and try to understand the root of the fucking problem.

pad300
08-27-2020, 08:22 PM
I'm pretty sure that's meant for hunting, not to use in the middle of a riot. So maybe him owning it wasn't illegal but it was illegal for him to have it out in the street during a riot.

He is/was legally allowed to own his own AR15. What he does with it is another matter. Apparently he is under-age for open carry in Wisconsin. It should be noted that there is a difference between open carry and being in use. Open carry walking around with it in a public space - just walking down the street for example. Public display of a firearm while in use is not the same. If he was carrying said rifle in the woods while hunting deer, it would not be an open carry violation, despite that being in a public place. If he is deemed to be using said firearm for a legitimate purpose (including self-defense, or possibly protection of private property) in a public place, then it's not an open carry violation either.

pad300
08-27-2020, 08:25 PM
Right. Not trying to single out the AR-15. The point is, most rifles are very lethal, and shouldn’t be in the hands of anyone except well-trained and highly responsible gun owners. Which we are far from today.


:lol no big deal....

We've been living with rifles in civilian hands since the 14 colonies. It hasn't destroyed the country yet.

Davidicus2
08-27-2020, 08:32 PM
We've been living with rifles in civilian hands since the 14 colonies. It hasn't destroyed the country yet.

Bro, get that weak shit out of here. Like the muskets of the Revolutionary War are anywhere close to the rifles of today. You know that.

And what you meant to say was, “it hasn’t negatively affected me yet.” Talk to the thousands of family members in grief since Columbine because we can’t pass sane gun laws.

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 08:39 PM
Thank you for the info. The AR-15 is still, however, extremely lethal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/

Yeah, guns are extremely lethal.

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 08:41 PM
Ppl don't typically set fire to buildings on live TV unless they're fucking hopeless and pissed beyond belief.

Perhaps you should check your ignorance at the door and try to understand the root of the fucking problem.

That tends to happen when media and politicians push false narratives upon the masses. That's the main root.

Arcadian
08-27-2020, 08:42 PM
So they're playing tomorrow, right?

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 08:56 PM
Yes, let’s objectively analyze:

Rational people don’t need an AR-15 shot to head to defend against a bottle and two arms.

Rational people would try to disarm an armed person who just shot someone in the head, and wouldn’t know or mattered if that shooter had called 911 or anyone for that matter, he just shot someone in the head. Rational people would feel their lives are in extreme danger. The ones that were ballsy enough to try to stop him got killed or shot as well.

Rational people wouldn’t equate these victims actions to justifying their instant death penalty. “They played their role in their deaths”, yeah so did the people going to work at the World Trade Center on 9/11, what is wrong with you?

And from the comfort of your own home, you get to paint broad strokes about the probability of why a black man warranted 9 gunshots to the back because he was “probably a criminal.”

The Kyle situation is fucking stupid. The Jacob Blake situation is complex I agree, because blacks have been put in the shitter for centuries and are still living with the economic and racial consequences today. But the simple ask of better training and less use of extreme force in non-warranted situations to prevent loss of life is as basic and rational as it gets. That’s just my opinion..

Big brain. BLM is a violent mob so don't tell me a rational person shouldn't be prepared for them with a gun. Two arms wasn't the only thing going after him. At the first scene there were people in frame firing guns at him(I'm assuming at him).

He was running with his gun pointed down. If we're dealing with "rational people" then why are they chasing someone that doesn't appear to want to do anything. The rational person should realize he could stop and shoot all of the people around him if that was his intention.

The kid has no duty to violent mob when he's trying to protect himself. They attacked him and they suffered the consequences.

Capt Bringdown
08-27-2020, 09:06 PM
Were there any demands? Were they met? What was the goal?
File this one under woke virtue signaling.

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08-27-2020, 09:08 PM
That tends to happen when media and politicians push false narratives upon the masses. That's the main root.

Is it your assertion that black folks are merely victims of a myth of police brutality and centuries of oppression and discrimination?

This is a truly disgusting position you just posted.

You aren't worth the time.

Nathan89
08-27-2020, 09:25 PM
Is it your assertion that black folks are merely victims of a myth of police brutality and centuries of oppression and discrimination?

This is a truly disgusting position you just posted.

You aren't worth the time.

Well they chant "hands up don't shoot" at their events so they have distorted view.

I'm not just talking about police interactions but entire racial narratives. The media makes it national news when a white person inadvertently calls the police on a black person. If a black person violently attacks a white person it's a non story.

Perception is reality and the media and leftist politicians push narratives to shape perception. They want to position you as a victim and themselves as your hero. They do the same thing to women by turning them into victims with regards to the pay gap.

Chinook
08-27-2020, 09:43 PM
The country has very few leftist politicians. Leftism is not popular. It shows how distorted some views are that they'll look at Biden and Harris and think they're even a little radical.

Chinook
08-27-2020, 09:44 PM
I see Hoops Czar is lurking. Not calling you out or anything, but it's been ages, my dude. How ya been?

Davidicus2
08-27-2020, 09:58 PM
Big brain. BLM is a violent mob so don't tell me a rational person shouldn't be prepared for them with a gun. Two arms wasn't the only thing going after him. At the first scene there were people in frame firing guns at him(I'm assuming at him).

He was running with his gun pointed down. If we're dealing with "rational people" then why are they chasing someone that doesn't appear to want to do anything. The rational person should realize he could stop and shoot all of the people around him if that was his intention.

The kid has no duty to violent mob when he's trying to protect himself. They attacked him and they suffered the consequences.



This is a truly disgusting position you just posted.

You aren't worth the time.

Atl Spur
08-27-2020, 10:00 PM
Big brain. BLM is a violent mob so don't tell me a rational person shouldn't be prepared for them with a gun. Two arms wasn't the only thing going after him. At the first scene there were people in frame firing guns at him(I'm assuming at him).

He was running with his gun pointed down. If we're dealing with "rational people" then why are they chasing someone that doesn't appear to want to do anything. The rational person should realize he could stop and shoot all of the people around him if that was his intention.

You love running your mouth...
The kid has no duty to violent mob when he's trying to protect himself. They attacked him and they suffered the consequences.

TimDunkem
08-27-2020, 10:58 PM
The country has very few leftist politicians. Leftism is not popular. It shows how distorted some views are that they'll look at Biden and Harris and think they're even a little radical.

They would be so confused if you dropped them in the middle of Europe or...hell...just took them on a trip up north to Canada.

Spurtacular
08-27-2020, 10:58 PM
Alternative entertainment. :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZDsLaKI3M4

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08-28-2020, 12:03 AM
The country has very few leftist politicians. Leftism is not popular. It shows how distorted some views are that they'll look at Biden and Harris and think they're even a little radical.

Yup. The last two election cycles have taught me that mainstream Democrats are very moderate. They fail (when negotiating) rightward. I've dropped out of the Democratic party because of their cowardice on all too many issues and gleeful willingness to concede any true progressive ideals.

dbestpro
08-28-2020, 12:06 AM
Yup. The last two election cycles have taught me that mainstream Democrats are very moderate. They fail (when negotiating) rightward. I've dropped out of the Democratic party because of their cowardice on all too many issues and gleeful willingness to concede any true progressive ideals.
What party do you affiliate with?

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08-28-2020, 12:07 AM
Alternative entertainment. :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZDsLaKI3M4

That was oddly satisfying.

Spurtacular
08-28-2020, 12:09 AM
That was oddly satisfying.

I would've like to have seen what the drone could've done against the zoomba.

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08-28-2020, 12:21 AM
What party do you affiliate with?

None. I stopped self-identifying as a Democrat about 4 months ago. First time in my life I haven't been affiliated. And the idea I'd ever even remotely consider voting for a Republican or Libertarian is repulsive to me.

Thus, leftists like myself are homeless. The Green Party was corrupted by that self-serving hack Jill Stein. There's a movement to branch out into the People's Party of America from the Green party because it was so badly ruined by her over the last 8 years and too much of the corporate taint that stenches up the duopoly.

But really, there's no true option if we want any political influence whatsoever than to make waves within the Democratic party. It's what Bernie did and why his repudiation from within the establishment was do crushing to so many of us. Thus, folks like myself, with the views I have, will be doing my damage from the inside. Trying to slowly but surely go full insurgent on the Democratic party by electing progressives and leftists around the country, one by one.

Thankfully where I live, I have a real progressive to get out and support that is a Democrat, Julie Oliver, for Congress in TX-25. I'm nonplussed about Senate and the President races but will likely vote for the Dems in those races if it appears close enough (within 7% or so). Otherwise I'll go Green or write-in where I can.

Long winded answer but it's necessary to fully underscore my position.

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 12:23 AM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299210902206521346?s=20

Fun fact:. Mental health issues are unevenly distributed among those on the left, particularly those on the far left.

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 12:27 AM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299206964174450689?s=20

The wife of a victim to the BLM rioters.

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 12:37 AM
https://twitter.com/TPCarney/status/1299195842344226817?s=20

Party of tolerance

tbdog
08-28-2020, 01:12 AM
None. I stopped self-identifying as a Democrat about 4 months ago. First time in my life I haven't been affiliated. And the idea I'd ever even remotely consider voting for a Republican or Libertarian is repulsive to me.

Thus, leftists like myself are homeless. The Green Party was corrupted by that self-serving hack Jill Stein. There's a movement to branch out into the People's Party of America from the Green party because it was so badly ruined by her over the last 8 years and too much of the corporate taint that stenches up the duopoly.

But really, there's no true option if we want any political influence whatsoever than to make waves within the Democratic party. It's what Bernie did and why his repudiation from within the establishment was do crushing to so many of us. Thus, folks like myself, with the views I have, will be doing my damage from the inside. Trying to slowly but surely go full insurgent on the Democratic party by electing progressives and leftists around the country, one by one.

Thankfully where I live, I have a real progressive to get out and support that is a Democrat, Julie Oliver, for Congress in TX-25. I'm nonplussed about Senate and the President races but will likely vote for the Dems in those races if it appears close enough (within 7% or so). Otherwise I'll go Green or write-in where I can.

Long winded answer but it's necessary to fully underscore my position.

Mate, the democrats are fucking right. America just has moved the goal post, the republic moved it further. Both parties are fucking way right.

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 01:24 AM
https://twitter.com/nieto_phillip/status/1299155261748326400?s=20

Good Americans should never give a single dollar to the NBA.

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 01:39 AM
https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1299151911791230978?s=20

ElNono
08-28-2020, 01:47 AM
lol "agitators"
lol NAdolph

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 01:49 AM
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1299234369639297025?s=20

Don't tell me we do not need guns to protect ourselves against this violent movement tbh. Anyone saying we do not need guns just wants you fall in line with the mob or be their victim.

ducks
08-28-2020, 01:54 AM
lol "agitators"
lol NAdolph

Would you like to be that cop ?

gambit1990
08-28-2020, 02:05 AM
Leftism is not popular.
bernie sanders was the runner up for one of two major parties. twice. majority of americans support UBI now. the squad won their primaries. there's cori bush and jamaal bowman.

progress is being made.

young people are more liberal and less religious. things aren't swinging right.

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 02:18 AM
Young people are currently attacking people for having different views than them. Very "liberal" of them.:lmao

Texas eye
08-28-2020, 07:24 AM
bernie sanders was the runner up for one of two major parties. twice. majority of americans support UBI now. the squad won their primaries. there's cori bush and jamaal bowman.

progress is being made.

young people are more liberal and less religious. things aren't swinging right.

Wrong. That left turn is old as fuck white folks.

exstatic
08-28-2020, 07:35 AM
Wrong. That left turn is old as fuck white folks.

That is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen posted here. Are you really that deluded? Old folks are almost never left of someone like Biden. The progressive movement at any point in time is a youth movement.

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 08:20 AM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299261973431873536?s=20

The morally superior BLM rioters are more violent and racist than nearly every American.

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 08:28 AM
https://twitter.com/BrandonStraka/status/1299223473009631232?s=20

Those young liberals aka BLM that was mentioned a few comments ago. Their tolerance brings tears to my eyes.

ElNono
08-28-2020, 08:39 AM
Would you like to be that cop ?

Comes with the job... don't like it? get a new one.

Chinook
08-28-2020, 08:45 AM
Imagine how shitty it'd be to believe that everyone is lying to you all the time and that the only people you can trust are random people on Twitter.

ChumpDumper
08-28-2020, 11:17 AM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299261973431873536?s=20

The morally superior BLM rioters are more violent and racist than nearly every American.Nothing there says that happened during a riot.

Why are you using the word "rioters"?

RD2191
08-28-2020, 11:41 AM
https://twitter.com/BrandonStraka/status/1299223473009631232?s=20

Those young liberals aka BLM that was mentioned a few comments ago. Their tolerance brings tears to my eyes.
:rollin

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 12:27 PM
Imagine how shitty it'd be to believe that everyone is lying to you all the time and that the only people you can trust are random people on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/mbracemoore/status/1298676099463905280?s=20

You can often prove they are lying tbh

ChumpDumper
08-28-2020, 12:51 PM
You can often prove they are lying tbh
Has Trump ever lied?

cd98
08-28-2020, 01:30 PM
Has Trump ever lied?

Trump lies a lot. I'd say it's disgraceful, and it is, but so do all the politicians. They are all liars. In both parties they lie. It's the sad state of politics because they know they will get away with it. All the presidents lie and lie often. None are exempt. It's sad, but that is what it takes to be successful in politics.

ZeusWillJudge
08-28-2020, 02:14 PM
Comes with the job... don't like it? get a new one.


That's like saying, "If you don't like the way things are in this country, go to another one." Absolutely ignorant and small minded. You are the thing you claim to hate.

exstatic
08-28-2020, 02:59 PM
That's like saying, "If you don't like the way things are in this country, go to another one." Absolutely ignorant and small minded. You are the thing you claim to hate.

It’s nothing like that. People change careers every day. They don’t emigrate to Dubai orAbudhabi nearly so often.

bic50
08-28-2020, 03:07 PM
The riots, violence and looting needs to be called out or there is going to be more situations like this. From all the video footage it looks more like self defense. It’s really stupid to run at someone to harm them who has a rifle. The gun charge is the only thing I think may stick.

Arcadian
08-28-2020, 03:28 PM
The funny thing is, after prolonging the season by 3 days, that only puts the end of the current season even closer to the start of next season (and it was already unusually close).

Atl Spur
08-28-2020, 03:41 PM
The funny thing is, after prolonging the season by 3 days, that only puts the end of the current season even closer to the start of next season (and it was already unusually close).

Bro, they don’t care about that...... They are Black American Humans before they are entertainers! Wise up

Atl Spur
08-28-2020, 03:48 PM
The riots, violence and looting needs to be called out or there is going to be more situations like this. From all the video footage it looks more like self defense. It’s really stupid to run at someone to harm them who has a rifle. The gun charge is the only thing I think may stick.

Lol........ Bro if he gets off, you or loved ones still pay in some way for everything you’ve done out of pocket! That’s the thing some white people can’t come to grips with! Someone has to pay the tab.....

Dverde
08-28-2020, 04:00 PM
Why not donate all your remaining game checks to help urban communities and other charities...

Seventyniner
08-28-2020, 04:04 PM
The funny thing is, after prolonging the season by 3 days, that only puts the end of the current season even closer to the start of next season (and it was already unusually close).

At this rate I don't see next season starting before Christmas. A few days' delay in the playoffs and draft shouldn't jeopardize that.

bic50
08-28-2020, 04:37 PM
Lol........ Bro if he gets off, you or loved ones still pay in some way for everything you’ve done out of pocket! That’s the thing some white people can’t come to grips with! Someone has to pay the tab.....
What? I’m not even white. The rioting is stupid and is counter productive. Even blakes mom condemned it. It doesn’t matter if he gets off this is just going to keep happening. A lot of black owned businesses have been destroyed too. How is that making white people pay?

Frenchfred
08-28-2020, 04:38 PM
Watching this from Europe, it looks like a scene from a third world country. How can anybody think that this is okay for a 17-year old kid to go somewhere with a rifle and start shooting people because he «feels » threatened?

I can’t even imagine a black man with a rifle walking toward the cops, he would have been shot on the spot. I hope that moron kid rots in jail for the rest of his life.

pad300
08-28-2020, 04:38 PM
Lol........ Bro if he gets off, you or loved ones still pay in some way for everything you’ve done out of pocket! That’s the thing some white people can’t come to grips with! Someone has to pay the tab.....

Let's see, my parent immigrated in 1968 and 1969 respectively. What tab needs to be paid? Yours? Well, I believe in the Second Amendment... I suppose it can be paid in lead.

RD2191
08-28-2020, 04:51 PM
Let's see, my parent immigrated in 1968 and 1969 respectively. What tab needs to be paid? Yours? Well, I believe in the Second Amendment... I suppose it can be paid in lead.
go back to where you came from. no one wants you here tbh

RD2191
08-28-2020, 04:51 PM
Watching this from Europe, it looks like a scene from a third world country. How can anybody think that this is okay for a 17-year old kid to go somewhere with a rifle and start shooting people because he «feels » threatened?

I can’t even imagine a black man with rifle walking toward cops, he would have been shot on the spot. I hope that moron kid rots in jail for the rest of his life.
:tu

UnWantedTheory
08-28-2020, 05:55 PM
"McGinnis told the detective that Rosenbaum was trying to grab Rittenhouse's gun, and Rittenhouse raised the weapon and shot Rosenbaum. McGinnis said he stayed to help Rosenbaum and heard gunshots soon after."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-charges-criminal-complaint (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-charges-criminal-complaint)

Atl Spur
08-28-2020, 06:31 PM
What? I’m not even white. The rioting is stupid and is counter productive. Even blakes mom condemned it. It doesn’t matter if he gets off this is just going to keep happening. A lot of black owned businesses have been destroyed too. How is that making white people pay?

Do I really have to break this down homie? You seem to be a bright dude........just think on my comment.

Atl Spur
08-28-2020, 06:38 PM
Let's see, my parent immigrated in 1968 and 1969 respectively. What tab needs to be paid? Yours? Well, I believe in the Second Amendment... I suppose it can be paid in lead.

You’re cute! Hmmmmm....ok. As far as the tab, not to be taken literally. Catch up on your U.S history before you speak to me please & thank you my dude!

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 06:59 PM
Let's see, my parent immigrated in 1968 and 1969 respectively. What tab needs to be paid? Yours? Well, I believe in the Second Amendment... I suppose it can be paid in lead.

:lmao :tu

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 07:04 PM
Watching this from Europe, it looks like a scene from a third world country. How can anybody think that this is okay for a 17-year old kid to go somewhere with a rifle and start shooting people because he «feels » threatened?

I can’t even imagine a black man with a rifle walking toward the cops, he would have been shot on the spot. I hope that moron kid rots in jail for the rest of his life.

By "feels threatened" you mean "is getting attacked by a violent mob".

There have been massive displays of black men all carrying rifles in the past couple months and nothing happened so you don't need to "imagine".

Arcadian
08-28-2020, 07:29 PM
Bro, they don’t care about that...... They are Black American Humans before they are entertainers! Wise up

I'm not saying they're merely entertainers; I'm more concerned about them as professional athletes. Hopefully the short break in between seasons won't cause any physical damage from the extra wear and tear, etc.

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 07:37 PM
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1299379197253541888?s=20

This toxic ideology manifests in different ways throughout our entire society and it will destroy the country. It's a mere misguided protest in sports, it's a violent mob in the streets, and it's pure indoctrination in schools and places of work. And this is just the early stages of it showing up on the radar of most people. This country is in for unimaginable pain and many have no clue. It's like standing on the beach and seeing the water recede with no understanding that means a tsunami is coming.

Chinook
08-28-2020, 08:22 PM
^Just itching for The Purge to become reality. So he doesn't have to wear a mask anymore

ElNono
08-28-2020, 08:30 PM
That's like saying, "If you don't like the way things are in this country, go to another one." Absolutely ignorant and small minded. You are the thing you claim to hate.

Nothing like that. It’s like the guy that complains about their shitty job and low pay all day but does nothing to look for a better opportunity. That’s the small minded and ignorant person.

ElNono
08-28-2020, 08:31 PM
^Just itching for The Purge to become reality. So he doesn't have to wear a mask anymore

Yep, covidiot through and through. Sucks for him ‘the purge’ isn’t coming, tbh

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 10:04 PM
https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1299493755649695744?s=20

You've probably heard numerous times from fake news that the kid "came from out of state" to make it sound like he traveled a distance to get there. Reality he lives only 20 minutes away and was working as a lifeguard that day in that city. After work he volunteered at a school to clean up vandalism.

“Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence,” the statement continues. “Business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines.”

Also wanted to add he's listed as Hispanic on some documents.

That's your evil white supremacist according to the Democrats and propaganda media outlets.

Chinook
08-28-2020, 10:44 PM
It's crazy that people think folks should live or die based on their characters. It doesn't matter if the dude was the spawn or satan or the messiah himself. All that matters is what he did in terms of the incident. Definitely having the weapon and taking it to a political rally was reckless and probably a least a little illegal. The idea of supplementing the police was definitely wrong and wrong-headed, so he was wrong if he did think that way. The incident that involved the shooting will be sorted out by the courts, not on Twitter. He still didn't deserve to be killed by cops or protesters, so it's a good thing that he'll get to go to court.

ChumpDumper
08-28-2020, 11:00 PM
https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1299493755649695744?s=20

You've probably heard numerous times from fake news that the kid "came from out of state" to make it sound like he traveled a distance to get there. Reality he lives only 20 minutes away and was working as a lifeguard that day in that city. After work he volunteered at a school to clean up vandalism.

“Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence,” the statement continues. “Business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines.”

Also wanted to add he's listed as Hispanic on some documents.

That's your evil white supremacist according to the Democrats and propaganda media outlets.Shoulda stayed home eating paste and playing Fortnite as usual.

Nathan89
08-28-2020, 11:35 PM
^Just itching for The Purge to become reality. So he doesn't have to wear a mask anymore

https://twitter.com/breannamorello/status/1299482969388744706?s=20

Atl Spur
08-29-2020, 01:20 AM
I'm not saying they're merely entertainers; I'm more concerned about them as professional athletes. Hopefully the short break in between seasons won't cause any physical damage from the extra wear and tear, etc.

I feel you...... my fault.

Frenchfred
08-29-2020, 02:22 AM
By "feels threatened" you mean "is getting attacked by a violent mob".

There have been massive displays of black men all carrying rifles in the past couple months and nothing happened so you don't need to "imagine".

If you don’t see the problem with a 17-year old walking around with a rifle (illegally), shooting somebody unarmed, fleeing the scene (non assistance), people trying to disarm him and him shooting some more (not self defense), walking past cops with a rifle unarrested when people are yelling at them that he shot somebody, then you have a big problem.

ElNono
08-29-2020, 03:21 AM
https://twitter.com/breannamorello/status/1299482969388744706?s=20

Trump's America... sad!

Teamduncan21
08-29-2020, 04:42 AM
If you don’t see the problem with a 17-year old walking around with a rifle (illegally), shooting somebody unarmed, fleeing the scene (non assistance), people trying to disarm him and him shooting some more (not self defense), walking past cops with a rifle unarrested when people are yelling at them that he shot somebody, then you have a big problem.
https://scontent.fkul13-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/118256154_10223525170700659_2948062648098470496_n. jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=1480c5&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=uYDymGeGlj8AX_YU7Fm&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul13-1.fna&tp=14&oh=16961b6d0b33747dafdcd0b2a9cb3ba0&oe=5F705194

Frenchfred
08-29-2020, 07:56 AM
https://scontent.fkul13-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/118256154_10223525170700659_2948062648098470496_n. jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=1480c5&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=uYDymGeGlj8AX_YU7Fm&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul13-1.fna&tp=14&oh=16961b6d0b33747dafdcd0b2a9cb3ba0&oe=5F705194
Not a cocktail molotov but a plastic bag so he shot a guy who threw a plastic bag and didn’t try to help after he did. Instead of calling 911, he called a friend.

then, when people tried to stop him because he killed somebody, being attacked with a skateboard while he had a rifle (illegally for his age) he shot the person who tried to disarm him.

And you are defending his actions?

Teamduncan21
08-29-2020, 08:40 AM
Not a cocktail molotov but a plastic bag so he shot a guy who threw a plastic bag and didn’t try to help after he did. Instead of calling 911, he called a friend.

then, when people tried to stop him because he killed somebody, being attacked with a skateboard while he had a rifle (illegally for his age) he shot the person who tried to disarm him.

And you are defending his actions?

I'll let investigators see what is true or not. Not really defending him. I'm saying is the protestors are not just standing there doing nothing and they got shot innocently. They obviously did something which caused the violence. Who's right or wrong will depend on the justice system. But let's not act like only one side is at fault

Dirks_Finale
08-29-2020, 08:53 AM
I'll let investigators see what is true or not. Not really defending him. I'm saying is the protestors are not just standing there doing nothing and they got shot innocently. They obviously did something which caused the violence. Who's right or wrong will depend on the justice system. But let's not act like only one side is at fault

Exactly -- all of them should have been at home, working or whatever else. People look for trouble and they are finding it.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 09:24 AM
It was a bag. Doesn't matter because the guy was still on pursuit.

Basically every leftist narrative about this has been debunked.

The only reason he's being charged with murder is because the mob. The government is appeasing mobs. They did it with that family with guns on their front lawn. This should absolutely terrify you.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 09:27 AM
The government is appeasing mobs in the United States of America in 2020. And they've done it multiple times recently. You should be terrified. This will get worse. This country is on verge of complete collapse.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 09:44 AM
https://twitter.com/WarOnDumb/status/1299714854819893249?s=20

They demonize self defense.

The government is making arrests to appease mobs.

Kyle is a damn legend for taking out these extremists attacking him and it's better to be him than to get your head stomped or to be killed by the mob.

bic50
08-29-2020, 10:04 AM
Shoulda stayed home eating paste and playing Fortnite as usual.
Then they all should have stayed home then

Dverde
08-29-2020, 10:16 AM
Both sides played hard.

bic50
08-29-2020, 10:22 AM
Not a cocktail molotov but a plastic bag so he shot a guy who threw a plastic bag and didn’t try to help after he did. Instead of calling 911, he called a friend.

then, when people tried to stop him because he killed somebody, being attacked with a skateboard while he had a rifle (illegally for his age) he shot the person who tried to disarm him.

And you are defending his actions?
The guy threw a bag and started chasing him. Kyle running away means he wasn’t being the aggressor the guy he shot was. If he was fleeing then trying to disarm him doesn’t make because he wasn’t randomly shooting people. After he fell running from the mob one one person is heard on the video saying “ get his ass” one guy tried to stomp on him (not disarm) and was shot at, another went at him seemingly trying to hit him with a skateboard then was apparently shot in the heart, another (with a pistol) ran up and stopped put his hands up and Kyle didn’t shoot him then the guy lunged back at Kyle and was shot in the arm, another was right in front of Kyle put his hands up and started walking back and Kyle never attempted to shoot him because he wasn’t a threat. Then he got up started walking back towards the police with his hands up. His actions looked to be self defense

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 10:29 AM
The government is appeasing mobs in the United States of America in 2020. And they've done it multiple times recently. You should be terrified. This will get worse. This country is on verge of complete collapse.Super dramatic but wrong.

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 10:31 AM
Then they all should have stayed home thenYep, but only one was flaunting his AR-15 under the false pretense of offering medical assistance.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 10:39 AM
The guy threw a bag and started chasing him. Kyle running away means he wasn’t being the aggressor the guy he shot was. If he was fleeing then trying to disarm him doesn’t make because he wasn’t randomly shooting people. After he fell running from the mob one one person is heard on the video saying “ get his ass” one guy tried to stomp on him (not disarm) and was shot at, another went at him seemingly trying to hit him with a skateboard then was apparently shot in the heart, another (with a pistol) ran up and stopped put his hands up and Kyle didn’t shoot him then the guy lunged back at Kyle and was shot in the arm, another was right in front of Kyle put his hands up and started walking back and Kyle never attempted to shoot him because he wasn’t a threat. Then he got up started walking back towards the police with his hands up. His actions looked to be self defense

These people demonized a white kid for smirking. They aren't going to see the truth tbh

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 10:42 AM
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1299721477701406720?s=20

The logic behind supporting violent leftist mobs.

GAustex
08-29-2020, 10:44 AM
Both sides played hard.
Lol

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 10:50 AM
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1299721477701406720?s=20

The logic behind supporting violent leftist mobs.:lmao Tim Pool's civil war tweets.

exstatic
08-29-2020, 10:55 AM
:lmao Tim Pool's civil war tweets.

Guernica

bic50
08-29-2020, 11:16 AM
Yep, but only one was flaunting his AR-15 under the false pretense of offering medical assistance.
How was it false pretense? He said on camera why he was there. The narrative that he was only there to agitate and kill “protestors “is what’s false.

bic50
08-29-2020, 11:17 AM
Trump's America... sad!
This isn’t going to work

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 11:19 AM
How was it false pretense? He said on camera why he was there.:lol

He lied.

That's what makes it false.

He went there to LARP as a cop in a situation where the cops don't even use live rounds much less AR-15s.

Should've stayed home with mom eating paste.

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 11:19 AM
This isn’t going to workHow is it not Trump's America?

pad300
08-29-2020, 11:29 AM
:lol

He lied.

That's what makes it false.

He went there to LARP as a cop in a situation where the cops don't even use live rounds much less AR-15s.

Should've stayed home with mom eating paste.

You realize there's video out there with him actually giving medical assistance to BLM protesters?

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 11:34 AM
You realize there's video out there with him actually giving medical assistance to BLM protesters?The ones he shot? I saw him offering but no takers.

He went there to protect other people's property.

With an AR-15.

At 17.

Stay in school.

Leetonidas
08-29-2020, 12:00 PM
When is it supposed to be unsafe to go outside? When is my city supposed to be burning due to "violent liberal leftist Marxists?" cus I was just out and about and nothing was on fire

Leetonidas
08-29-2020, 12:02 PM
Also underage kid crossing state lines with an illegally owned rifle is breaking a ton of laws already :lol yall trying to defend a criminal is so hypocrital not like any of your retarded Trump slurpers care about being massive cock sucking hypocrites

RD2191
08-29-2020, 12:08 PM
It was a bag. Doesn't matter because the guy was still on pursuit.

Basically every leftist narrative about this has been debunked.

The only reason he's being charged with murder is because the mob. The government is appeasing mobs. They did it with that family with guns on their front lawn. This should absolutely terrify you.
:lmao Just because you say something is true doesn't make it so. This kid committed murder, he will be convicted, I guarantee it.

BackHome
08-29-2020, 12:23 PM
Also underage kid crossing state lines with an illegally owned rifle is breaking a ton of laws already :lol yall trying to defend a criminal is so hypocrital not like any of your retarded Trump slurpers care about being massive cock sucking hypocrites

The kid was wrong but I am laughing my ass off when people make comments like “He crosses state lines”. What happened to you all wanting open borders talks about about being hypocrites.

Chinook
08-29-2020, 12:42 PM
The kid was wrong but I am laughing my ass off when people make comments like “He crosses state lines”. What happened to you all wanting open borders talks about about being hypocrites.

Even most left-leaning people don't want open borders (please tell me you knew that), and moving illegal things across state lines is often another level of illegal.

daslicer
08-29-2020, 01:07 PM
Even most left-leaning people don't want open borders (please tell me you knew that), and moving illegal things across state lines is often another level of illegal.

I agree as someone who considers myself as a progressive. What a lot of these conservatives don't realize is illegal immigration has not been a problem since 2000. GW Bush during his presidency lowered the illegal immigration to all time lows and had a high deportation rate. Obama's illegal immigration rate was lower than Bush's and had a higher deportation rate than Bush. Trump preyed on conservative's racism and made it an issues in 2016 when it wasn't.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 01:33 PM
How is it not Trump's America?

Because he's offering these cities federal help and they are declining it.

The mobs fueled by leftist ideology.

The mobs are supported by lefty media and politicians.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 01:35 PM
When is it supposed to be unsafe to go outside? When is my city supposed to be burning due to "violent liberal leftist Marxists?" cus I was just out and about and nothing was on fire

Put on a maga cap and the cult might attack you. Just test their tolerance. I hear they are lovely people.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 01:39 PM
Also underage kid crossing state lines with an illegally owned rifle is breaking a ton of laws already :lol yall trying to defend a criminal is so hypocrital not like any of your retarded Trump slurpers care about being massive cock sucking hypocrites

The gun didn't cross state lines.

He works in that city as a lifeguard.

This entire thing started because a rapist fought police and either had a knife made movement to get one. Now the WNBA wears the rapist's name on their chest.

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 01:48 PM
Because he's offering these cities federal help and they are declining it.

The mobs fueled by leftist ideology.

The mobs are supported by lefty media and politicians.It's happening whether help is offered or not.

Nothing like this happened before Trump was president.

How is it not Trump's America?

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 01:49 PM
Even most left-leaning people don't want open borders (please tell me you knew that), and moving illegal things across state lines is often another level of illegal.

Yeah they just want to give them free everything and get rid of ice. They even want to give them voting rights in some locals. "Nobody is illegal" is a popular slogan for them. I think many people on the left agree with the above so effectively they support open borders. And it no surprise. They want people that are tethered to this country to indoctrinate them with their hatred of this country.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 01:50 PM
It's happening whether help is offered or not.

Nothing like this happened before Trump was president.

How is it not Trump's America?

BLM started under Obama and Biden. They have always been violent.

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 02:01 PM
BLM started under Obama and Biden. They have always been violent.Why is the violence worse now in Trump's America?

BackHome
08-29-2020, 02:20 PM
Umm maybe a World Wide Epidemic could be having just a tiny bit of an impact on everyone.

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 02:26 PM
Umm maybe a World Wide Epidemic could be having just a tiny bit of an impact on everyone.Good point. Trump's COVID failure exacerbates the situation.

Dverde
08-29-2020, 02:52 PM
Guns don’t kill people, the guy who played Jaws kill people.

Leetonidas
08-29-2020, 03:07 PM
The kid was wrong but I am laughing my ass off when people make comments like “He crosses state lines”. What happened to you all wanting open borders talks about about being hypocrites.

That literally makes no sense and is irrelevant to the point. Also who is you all? Link to one post of me ever saying that? Try again dumbass

pad300
08-29-2020, 03:11 PM
Why is the violence worse now in Trump's America?

Because the left went utterly crazy after loosing an election to Don Trump. The Democrats would take 50 states this election, if they could just not be crazy. But they're crazy.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 03:20 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1299727699875950593?s=20:lmao

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 03:20 PM
Because the left went utterly crazy after loosing an election to Don Trump. The Democrats would take 50 states this election, if they could just not be crazy. But they're crazy.So the right wing violence in the Obama years happened because you lost?

OK.

You're crazy.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 03:27 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1299785865649160192?s=20

Painting violent rioters as "peaceful protesters" is the first step in dealing with violent rioters.

Trump's America

Or

Failed ideology

?

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 03:34 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1299785865649160192?s=20

Painting violent rioters as "peaceful protesters" is the first step in dealing with violent rioters.

Trump's America

Or

Failed ideology

?
You can find Biden's denouncing the violence.

You won't look for it.

All because you cling to your failed ideology.

pad300
08-29-2020, 03:42 PM
So the right wing violence in the Obama years happened because you lost?

OK.

You're crazy.

Perhaps I've missed something. Would you care to point out this "right wing violence" that was anywhere close to the assorted riots? Anything like the Pussy hat protests that happened upon Trump's assumption of office? Republican policy proposal that is as farcical as the Green New Deal?

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 03:47 PM
Perhaps I've missed something. Would you care to point out this "right wing violence" that was anywhere close to the assorted riots? Anything like the Pussy hat protests that happened upon Trump's assumption of office? Republican policy proposal that is as farcical as the Green New Deal?You guys just flat out murder people in temples and mosques and churches.

But sure, some women in funny hats yelling is MUCH WORSE.

Frenchfred
08-29-2020, 04:14 PM
The guy threw a bag and started chasing him. Kyle running away means he wasn’t being the aggressor the guy he shot was. If he was fleeing then trying to disarm him doesn’t make because he wasn’t randomly shooting people. After he fell running from the mob one one person is heard on the video saying “ get his ass” one guy tried to stomp on him (not disarm) and was shot at, another went at him seemingly trying to hit him with a skateboard then was apparently shot in the heart, another (with a pistol) ran up and stopped put his hands up and Kyle didn’t shoot him then the guy lunged back at Kyle and was shot in the arm, another was right in front of Kyle put his hands up and started walking back and Kyle never attempted to shoot him because he wasn’t a threat. Then he got up started walking back towards the police with his hands up. His actions looked to be self defense

Do you understand that by that time he killed somebody? People were trying to stop him, a guy who killed somebody else fleeing a scene of a crime. Honestly, I’m stunned that people can defend a guy who shot somebody who threw a plastic bag at him. So, if he got shot, he would I used a nuke in response?

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 04:41 PM
Do you understand that by that time he killed somebody? People were trying to stop him, a guy who killed somebody else fleeing a scene of a crime. Honestly, I’m stunned that people can defend a guy who shot somebody who threw a plastic bag at him. So, if he got shot, he would I used a nuke in response?

Do you understand that other people were firing their guns at the first scene previous to Kyle shooting in self defense? Do you understand this violent mob attacks innocent people? What would the violent mob do to someone they thought murdered someone?

It would be foolish for Kyle to stay where he was. If my ears aren't deceiving me I could even hear people yell at him "to get out of here" in the video.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 04:45 PM
Kyle had no responsibility to try to defend himself with his hands against a 36yo aggressive pedo. Why would he engage in a manner that he would likely lose when he could just stick a few bullets in him? Makes more sense to win than to put yourself at the mercy of a lunatic.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 04:47 PM
You can find Biden's denouncing the violence.

You won't look for it.

All because you cling to your failed ideology.

And here he is conflating "peaceful protests" with the reality of violent riots.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 04:50 PM
https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1267555018128965643?s=20

"Trump's America.":madrun

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 04:57 PM
And here he is conflating "peaceful protests" with the reality of violent riots.

You can find Biden's denouncing the violence.

You won't look for it.

All because you cling to your failed ideology.

ChumpDumper
08-29-2020, 04:57 PM
https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1267555018128965643?s=20

"Trump's America.":madrunYep, all consequences of his failed ideology.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 06:33 PM
https://twitter.com/selfdeclaredref/status/1299777327593816068?s=20

More evidence of self defense.

Kyle is a hero.

We should probably build a statue of him tbh

Texas_Ranger
08-29-2020, 07:48 PM
https://twitter.com/selfdeclaredref/status/1299777327593816068?s=20

More evidence of self defense.

Kyle is a hero.

We should probably build a statue of him tbh

i dont think throwing a molotov at a person with a gun is a great idea, but what can you expect from a retard.

Nathan89
08-29-2020, 08:12 PM
i dont think throwing a molotov at a person with a gun is a great idea, but what can you expect from a retard.

I pretty sure it was just a bag.

TimDunkem
08-29-2020, 11:54 PM
Conservative hero and patriot Kyle Rittenhouse doing his thing with a small girl.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/iixaux/kyle_rittenhouse_along_with_other_white_males/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Frenchfred
08-30-2020, 01:47 AM
https://twitter.com/selfdeclaredref/status/1299777327593816068?s=20

More evidence of self defense.

Kyle is a hero.

We should probably build a statue of him tbh

What self defense? Shooting somebody who threw a plastic bag at you? What is wrong with america when people think that it is normal for a 17-year old to carry a semi-automatic rifle in a crowd?

Teamduncan21
08-30-2020, 04:10 AM
To be fair he is not a hero of anything. He defended himself Ina situation where he shouldn't be there to begin with.

tbdog
08-30-2020, 05:04 AM
To be fair he is not a hero of anything. He defended himself Ina situation where he shouldn't be there to begin with.

I mean, this is the american dream you know. Defend people's property, defend yourself with the gun. But all of a sudden it's like 'he was not meant to be there, that shows his intent.'

But black guy over here, sexuals assault the mother of his children, and he isn't suppose to be there. Fights cops, has a knife, gets shot, and the NBA shuts down for a few days because of justice. You don't hear from this lady, its all Jacob Blakes fucking parents. Obviously they want $$$$. America, you are a fuckin mess.

Teamduncan21
08-30-2020, 08:03 AM
I mean, this is the american dream you know. Defend people's property, defend yourself with the gun. But all of a sudden it's like 'he was not meant to be there, that shows his intent.'

But black guy over here, sexuals assault the mother of his children, and he isn't suppose to be there. Fights cops, has a knife, gets shot, and the NBA shuts down for a few days because of justice. You don't hear from this lady, its all Jacob Blakes fucking parents. Obviously they want $$$$. America, you are a fuckin mess.

I just see it as a messed up situation. But both sides are definitely not hero. It's hard to say intent. Because he can just shoot unprovoked. But he was obviously provoked when he shot. So the question is what is the cause of provocation. But yea. Let the courts decide.

Nathan89
08-30-2020, 09:21 AM
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1300047176316329985?s=20

Far left rioters march the streets chanting "death to America" like a group of Terrorists from the middle east.

You don't know the destructive ideology America is dealing with. This is only the beginning.

Nathan89
08-30-2020, 09:27 AM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299983990351257600?s=20

A Trump supporter/police advocate was killed last night. Some in the political forum think he instigated this by having the audacity to come into the city and protest. I thought this was America but apparently that's instigating your death now. Leftist rioter/protesters were excited when they found out it was a conservative.

RD2191
08-30-2020, 10:33 AM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299983990351257600?s=20

A Trump supporter/police advocate was killed last night. Some in the political forum think he instigated this by having the audacity to come into the city and protest. I thought this was America but apparently that's instigating your death now. Leftist rioter/protesters were excited when they found out it was a conservative.
Self defense tbh

Nathan89
08-30-2020, 11:07 AM
https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1300053994837082114?s=20

Damn. Just wait till the ads include the leftist mobs marching the streets chanting "death to America" like middle eastern terrorists.

dbestpro
08-30-2020, 11:13 AM
https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1300053994837082114?s=20

Damn. Just wait till the ads include the leftist mobs marching the streets chanting "death to America" like middle eastern terrorists.

Nathan, you have a lot of energy. If you took that energy to making money and doing good for your community, you would become a rock star.

ChumpDumper
08-30-2020, 11:42 AM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299983990351257600?s=20

A Trump supporter/police advocate was killed last night. Some in the political forum think he instigated this by having the audacity to come into the city and protest. I thought this was America but apparently that's instigating your death now. Leftist rioter/protesters were excited when they found out it was a conservative.I said everyone should stay home.

Why are you so passive aggressive?

Nivek_ogre
08-30-2020, 12:09 PM
This is all happenings in Trump's America. To spin it any other way is to ignore the facts.

Nathan89
08-30-2020, 12:18 PM
This is all happenings in Trump's America. To spin it any other way is to ignore the facts.

It's the result of leftist ideology. You can see similar nonsense occuring in other countries. Don't ignore reality.

Nathan89
08-30-2020, 12:25 PM
Leftist mobs are marching the streets chanting "death to America" and people blame Trump. No, it's an ideology problem.

exstatic
08-30-2020, 12:29 PM
:lol. No one? No one is going to mention the little red’ manipulated media’ tag on Scalises video? #fakenews

Nathan89
08-30-2020, 12:40 PM
This is all happenings in Trump's America. To spin it any other way is to ignore the facts.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300085329207029760?s=20

Less than 48hrs ago the Portland Mayor sent a smug letter to Trump declining federal assistance. Just in case you didn't know all the facts.

ChumpDumper
08-30-2020, 12:40 PM
:lol. No one? No one is going to mention the little red’ manipulated media’ tag on Scalises video? #fakenews:lol Nathan spreads lies without apology.

All part of his failed ideology.

Nathan89
08-30-2020, 02:49 PM
https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1299902266208645123?s=20

Did I say BLM is a violent movement yet? Open your ears and recognize them for what they are. You like their name is irrelevant to what they are.

Chinook
08-30-2020, 03:07 PM
It's so weird that the same folks who will underrate 200k deaths as a small percentage of the COVID cases to minimize the impact are so keen to apply a handful of videos with dubious contexts to discredit a movement with tens of thousands of people in it.

Nathan89
08-30-2020, 05:02 PM
https://twitter.com/EmilyValdezKNX/status/1300184268312686592?s=20

Maybe Biden, Democrats, and the mainstream media propaganda spreading hoaxes like the "fine people Hoax" and others have made people insane.

Frenchfred
08-31-2020, 06:17 AM
It's the result of leftist ideology. You can see similar nonsense occuring in other countries. Don't ignore reality.
You also see fascism rising in all other countries like in the US with trump. Extremism is growing everywhere , that is scary

Atl Spur
08-31-2020, 07:20 AM
Nathan is more pathetic than anything...... just pray for the guy. It has to real lonely living in that headspace to come on a BASKETBALL message board to spew foolishness, while choosing to ignore anything rational. What has he done for his country????? He never gets around to posting that answer amid all the other garbage he post........coincidence???? I think not!! Btw homie ( Nathan ) Black Lives Have Always Mattered Clown..true story!

Nathan89
08-31-2020, 10:05 AM
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1300397571538640901?s=20

People are blaming Trump because they can't confront their failed ideology.

Chinook
08-31-2020, 12:02 PM
Pelosi isn't left at all. May as well have Hillary up there too.

exstatic
08-31-2020, 12:08 PM
Pelosi isn't left at all. May as well have Hillary up there too.

Yeah, The Squad really has no use for her.

It’s like the fifties, when everyone was called a Commie. There were almost no Communists, period, and actually no communists in Congress. Didn’t stop the name calling by the Rightists. Some things never change.

Nathan89
08-31-2020, 12:51 PM
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1300486772451876865?s=20

https://twitter.com/conservmillen/status/1300466836203606017?s=20

Leftist ideology is a threat to your safety. I've been talking about the left's hatred of white people for years. Now their investment is starting to pay dividends.

TimDunkem
08-31-2020, 01:24 PM
You just know Nathan doesn't leave his home and he didn't need a pandemic to be locked in it, alone, with his crazy thoughts that other people on Twitter came up with for him.

Nathan89
08-31-2020, 06:22 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKerr/status/1300545480040931328?s=20

Kerr comes out against self defense. Stop giving money to this league.

Nathan89
08-31-2020, 07:14 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKerr/status/1300545480040931328?s=20

Kerr comes out against self defense. Stop giving money to this league.

https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1300568186186760193?s=20

I'd love to see Kerr link the videos with this murder claim. But he'll just lie to his audience and demonize self defense in the process.

cd98
08-31-2020, 07:28 PM
Trump is divisive for sure. Certainly he traffics in it and it is part of a political strategy that works for him. That and he's incapable of empathy for those that are not his sycophants. Certainly, his inability to reach half the country is a major part of his failure as a president. He's had hard challenges, a pandemic that is the worst we've seen and tbh, I don't think it matters who was president, it was always going to be a mess.

But I do think the left is just as guilty with the divisiveness. Heck, people on this forum say things more outrageous than Trump. It's become the norm for political discourse. And Dems traffic on divisiveness just like Trump. The politicians are better at playing the game of being above the fray, but they traffic in it for sure. They love the chaos because they can blame it on Trump. And Trump loves it because he can use it against democrats. And unfortunately, the result is that we all have to deal with the unrest and the cost of violence, property destruction, and uncertainty of where this is all going. I do think some of it is a reaction to COVID. I think COVID had a real mental impact on people and has made people more wreckless in their interactions. But I'm almost tuned out of politics because it is so divided on both sides that it seems like no one really cares about fixing anything. I guess it's always kind of been that way, but it's usually been trafficked in other issues, like health care or taxes, but now it's civil unrest and that is more dangerous and it feels like we are headed to some kind of civil war.

Nathan89
08-31-2020, 07:36 PM
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1300534054400393216?s=20

Leftist ideology is a failed ideology and you can see that all over the western world.

Atl Spur
09-01-2020, 12:10 AM
Nathan is more pathetic than anything...... just pray for the guy. It has to real lonely living in that headspace to come on a BASKETBALL message board to spew foolishness, while choosing to ignore anything rational. What has he done for his country????? He never gets around to posting that answer amid all the other garbage he post........coincidence???? I think not!! Btw homie ( Nathan ) Black Lives Have Always Mattered Clown..true story!

Still waiting........

Atl Spur
09-01-2020, 12:21 AM
The little 17year old killer is now starting whine about self defense.........coward ass! He just figured out he can’t take his little gun to prison with him��. Let the show begin........ However he did show more nuts/balls than that fat,orange,dimwit in the White House.

Atl Spur
09-01-2020, 12:32 AM
Trump is divisive for sure. Certainly he traffics in it and it is part of a political strategy that works for him. That and he's incapable of empathy for those that are not his sycophants. Certainly, his inability to reach half the country is a major part of his failure as a president. He's had hard challenges, a pandemic that is the worst we've seen and tbh, I don't think it matters who was president, it was always going to be a mess.

But I do think the left is just as guilty with the divisiveness. Heck, people on this forum say things more outrageous than Trump. It's become the norm for political discourse. And Dems traffic on divisiveness just like Trump. The politicians are better at playing the game of being above the fray, but they traffic in it for sure. They love the chaos because they can blame it on Trump. And Trump loves it because he can use it against democrats. And unfortunately, the result is that we all have to deal with the unrest and the cost of violence, property destruction, and uncertainty of where this is all going. I do think some of it is a reaction to COVID. I think COVID had a real mental impact on people and has made people more wreckless in their interactions. But I'm almost tuned out of politics because it is so divided on both sides that it seems like no one really cares about fixing anything. I guess it's always kind of been that way, but it's usually been trafficked in other issues, like health care or taxes, but now it's civil unrest and that is more dangerous and it feels like we are headed to some kind of civil war.

Fake Ass Clowns calling themselves patriots! They rather fight with fellow Americans vs. fight for America! Remember, people don’t own people...... let it all sink in������������

hombre
09-01-2020, 02:07 AM
Thou shalt not murder

Nathan89
09-01-2020, 11:25 AM
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1300726621742051328?s=20

BLM is a violent and racist movement. You just like it because it has a good name.

Atl Spur
09-01-2020, 11:44 AM
Still waiting........

Hi Nathan:) still waiting

Atl Spur
09-01-2020, 11:45 AM
Nathan is more pathetic than anything...... just pray for the guy. It has to real lonely living in that headspace to come on a BASKETBALL message board to spew foolishness, while choosing to ignore anything rational. What has he done for his country????? He never gets around to posting that answer amid all the other garbage he post........coincidence???? I think not!! Btw homie ( Nathan ) Black Lives Have Always Mattered Clown..true story!

Longlonglongtimelurk
09-01-2020, 03:55 PM
Ok Atl Spur- your post makes minimal sense. Nathan’s posting a bunch of stuff and it’s well and truly getting under the skin of left leaners in here. I have no skin in the game of US politics- but Nathan is actually getting his point across where as pretty much every other post comes across as vitriol towards him but not a heap of substance. I thank fuck I’m not in the US having to worry if my business is going to be destroyed for no good reason at all. That shit happens in a 3rd world country, not the US. And yeah before you begin no doubt Trump is aggravating people towards this behavior- but his side of the fence aren’t the ones causing it.

Nivek_ogre
09-01-2020, 04:02 PM
Meh.....Fuck Trump and anyone who stands with him.

Nathan89
09-01-2020, 11:56 PM
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1299379197253541888?s=20

This toxic ideology manifests in different ways throughout our entire society and it will destroy the country. It's a mere misguided protest in sports, it's a violent mob in the streets, and it's pure indoctrination in schools and places of work. And this is just the early stages of it showing up on the radar of most people. This country is in for unimaginable pain and many have no clue. It's like standing on the beach and seeing the water recede with no understanding that means a tsunami is coming.

https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1300897705858928646?s=20

File this under indoctrination. You can't look at this group of educated people all being guilted into declaring themselves racists and refuse to recognize that there is something really ideologically wrong going on.

Nathan89
09-02-2020, 12:08 AM
https://twitter.com/FeministaJones/status/1298925199690215425?s=20

The media will try to convince you that the leftist mobs looting, burning buildings, beating and killing people is the result of Trump. False.

Atl Spur
09-02-2020, 02:29 AM
Ok Atl Spur- your post makes minimal sense. Nathan’s posting a bunch of stuff and it’s well and truly getting under the skin of left leaners in here. I have no skin in the game of US politics- but Nathan is actually getting his point across where as pretty much every other post comes across as vitriol towards him but not a heap of substance. I thank fuck I’m not in the US having to worry if my business is going to be destroyed for no good reason at all. That shit happens in a 3rd world country, not the US. And yeah before you begin no doubt Trump is aggravating people towards this behavior- but his side of the fence aren’t the ones causing it.

Oh...... ok! Thanks for the insight. Minimal sense? Nathan is a clown period; why can’t he answer the question posed to him regarding his contribution to THIS country?? Not rocket science sport. History is littered with clowns like Nathan; this behavior is not new but super disappointing.

Atl Spur
09-02-2020, 02:30 AM
Nathan is more pathetic than anything...... just pray for the guy. It has to real lonely living in that headspace to come on a BASKETBALL message board to spew foolishness, while choosing to ignore anything rational. What has he done for his country????? He never gets around to posting that answer amid all the other garbage he post........coincidence???? I think not!! Btw homie ( Nathan ) Black Lives Have Always Mattered Clown..true story!

Still waiting........

Longlonglongtimelurk
09-02-2020, 03:14 AM
https://twitter.com/FeministaJones/status/1298925199690215425?s=20

The media will try to convince you that the leftist mobs looting, burning buildings, beating and killing people is the result of Trump. False.
regarding that tweet- what does she want to ‘liberate’ black people? I don’t understand. Everything people are protesting and demanding doesn’t really resolve anything. People demanding reparations- that has an end result that can be understood. All other noise is just that and I have no idea what end result BLM are proposing.

Atl Spur
09-02-2020, 09:28 AM
regarding that tweet- what does she want to ‘liberate’ black people? I don’t understand. Everything people are protesting and demanding doesn’t really resolve anything. People demanding reparations- that has an end result that can be understood. All other noise is just that and I have no idea what end result BLM are proposing.

Two words.......History Book or in this era of time Google it:) You are definitely entitled to your opinion��

FrostKing
09-02-2020, 01:17 PM
https://twitter.com/FeministaJones/status/1298925199690215425?s=20

This worked in South Africa because the Black demographic has the population advantage. In the USA they are only 13%.

This is the correct time for Blacks to play their hand. By 2050, Asian population will have doubled to almost match the Black demographic and Hispanics will triple in size. Blacks main ally (Whites) will decrease in proportional size.

Nathan89
09-03-2020, 12:02 AM
https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/1300775009477111809?s=20

Ef-man
09-03-2020, 12:13 AM
Nathan, FK,

Leave the Spurs forum and come back to the Politics forum, where you belong.

No need to bother these folks. They are interested in talking about Spurs basketball not troll politics.

Your BLM hatred ideas do not belong here.

Do Kori and TMVP a favor.

Play Boban
09-03-2020, 12:11 PM
Looks like they boycotted their series against the Heat, too. Down 0-2. :lmao

Nathan89
09-03-2020, 12:52 PM
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1301563396630949888?s=20

The violent BLM movement was out in the streets over this police shooting. The guy had a gun in his hand and was running toward the police.

Many on the internet can't see why this guy was shot but the kyle kid that shot people in self defense and walked towards the police with his hands up was not killed.

Crazymaddopeyo
09-04-2020, 12:07 AM
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1299234369639297025?s=20

Don't tell me we do not need guns to protect ourselves against this violent movement tbh. Anyone saying we do not need guns just wants you fall in line with the mob or be their victim.

okay so where’s all the videos of police beating people up for not reason? Or shooting at peaceful protestors? Because I guarantee you theres a lot more of that footage than what you posted. But you just go and look for a certain type of video

Nathan89
09-04-2020, 12:17 AM
okay so where’s all the videos of police beating people up for not reason? Or shooting at peaceful protestors? Because I guarantee you theres a lot more of that footage than what you posted. But you just go and look for a certain type of video

There's a lot of selectively edited footage like that. Yes, it does happen though.

exstatic
09-04-2020, 06:35 AM
Nathan, FK,

Leave the Spurs forum and come back to the Politics forum, where you belong.

No need to bother these folks. They are interested in talking about Spurs basketball not troll politics.

Your BLM hatred ideas do not belong here.

Do Kori and TMVP a favor.

He literally can’t do that. If someone posts a proBLM position, he has to respond. It’s like when the doctor gives you that knee reflex test. He taps you with that little hammer, and your knee reflexively responds. It’s a reflexive response.

Play Boban
09-04-2020, 09:45 PM
0-3 :lmao

Nathan89
09-04-2020, 10:12 PM
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1302074501891411968?s=20

A glimpse at the violent and racist group that the NBA put all their political weight behind. Not smart.