Duff

[Wifey]

Good suggestions, but he would never get preoccupied. He starts to panic as soon as he sees me putting on makeup and getting dressed to go out. By the time I go downstairs, he's running around me and then by the door like a maniac. Even if I give him a brand new bone or anything to distract him before I get ready to leave. And then while we are gone he stands on his hind legs in the window the entire time.

It's a good thing we both work from home or he'd go nuts.

what he needs is a partner...my dog Pennie would destroy something if I was home late...so I got Grisela...she stopped...she is a lot better now...well, not sure how she is coping with Sac & I being away...I hear she clings at my mother and tries to fall asleep in a small corner of her room...miss them a lot...they are like children to me

[Puppy Dog]

I know you think you do.

But you really need to think a lot more before you speak, especially to your wife. And spend some time with a clergyman of your choice. You'll realize that you aren't going about some things in the right way.


a clergyman isn't gonna tell me anything that either

a) I don't know already

or

2) I can't get from the Good book.

:lol :tu

[Shelly]

Thanks for the kind advice man. :tu

But I don't NEED sex either.

I have willpower people wouldn't believe...although staying away from this forum was too tough...:lol

I got this. I KNOW what i'm doing. :elephant

To me, it sounds like you're trying to convert her to YOUR way of thinking, like you've been doing on the forum.

[King]

My dog is afraid of rain/thunder like crazy, also. So is my girlfriend's dog. That's pretty natural.

As far as the crying for 15 hours - can't say that's common.

[j-6]

Good suggestions, but he would never get preoccupied. He starts to panic as soon as he sees me putting on makeup and getting dressed to go out. By the time I go downstairs, he's running around me and then by the door like a maniac. Even if I give him a brand new bone or anything to distract him before I get ready to leave. And then while we are gone he stands on his hind legs in the window the entire time.

It's a good thing we both work from home or he'd go nuts.


Hmmm. Maybe he wasn't an only dog in his previous life in Louisiana. Does he destroy stuff when you're not there?

[Kori Ellis]

what he needs is a partner...my dog Pennie would destroy something if I was home late...so I got Grisela...she stopped...she is a lot better now...well, not sure how she is coping with Sac & I being away...I hear she clings at my mother and tries to fall asleep in a small corner of her room...miss them a lot...they are like children to me

Yes, you are right. We are actually considering getting him another dog to hang around with. He and the dog next store cry to each other through the fence in the backyard all the time. So I know he really wants a friend.

[Puppy Dog]

To me, it sounds like you're trying to convert her to YOUR way of thinking, like you've been doing on the forum.


now your getting it.

either she converts, or she leaves me.

Now I get to see what she's made of.

It's a test of faith. Will she pass?

tick tock, tick tock...

[Kori Ellis]

Hmmm. Maybe he wasn't an only dog in his previous life in Louisiana. Does he destroy stuff when you're not there?

He has destroyed some of LJ's clothing/belongings and he ate a small hole in the wall of the living room. :lmao

[Shelly]

now your getting it.

either she converts, or she leaves me.

Now I get to see what she's made of.

It's a test of faith. Will she pass?

tick tock, tick tock...


That's total bullshit! Sounds like brainwashing to me.

[timvp]

Looter errr Deuce stole my shoes and I still can't find them. It's been going on three days now.

:pctoss

[timvp]

now your getting it.

either she converts, or she leaves me.

Now I get to see what she's made of.

It's a test of faith. Will she pass?

tick tock, tick tock...

:td

[Kori Ellis]

now your getting it.

either she converts, or she leaves me.

Now I get to see what she's made of.

It's a test of faith. Will she pass?

tick tock, tick tock...

Converts to what?

What do you think you are that she is not?

She says that she's Christian and has already been saved.

Is it because she knows the value of money and you think money is worthless?
Is it because she is trying to be realistic about some things and you are trying to pursue your dreams?

She's not a robot and you are not going to be able to make her a clone of yourself. And I don't even know why you would want to.

[Das Texan]

wow, what a fucking long thread.

has duff ever shown his face? i assume not. what a piece of shit.

this thing turns into comedy hour between various things that i am totally lost about. (maybe i shouldnt have skipped about 8 pages)

btw jim, can i borrow 900 bucks? I need to um...pay my tuition.

[Wifey]

Zak - for somebody as 'philosophical' as you, and for someone who has 'seen the light' - you sure say some stupid stuff in regards to your relationship. I'm a very devout Christian - and I'd be a wreck without my girlfriend. My parents are both very Christian, and they need each other, a lot.

Having Jesus in your life is great - but don't act like relationships of the flesh (not sexual) aren't important. They're even in the Bible.

You guys should probably look into some counseling.

we have discussed that...when I try to tell him anything of the sort it goes over his head...so I need him to hear it from someone else's point of view...we are going to start attending a couples bible study in which is beign taught by the pastor of the church...that gives me hope...in the mean time please keep us in your prayers

as we speak Sac is showing me girls in the maxim magazine and telling how pretty they are...checking out Tina Fey, said wow! when he saw her pic...
at bank he told me to check out the girl behind the counter...that she was hot...ok...this is not at all christian or not even helpful in trying to regain TRUST in our relationship...

[Shelly]

Zak wants his cake and to eat it too.

[timvp]

we have discussed that...when I try to tell him anything of the sort it goes over his head...so I need him to hear it from someone else's point of view...we are going to start attending a couples bible study in which is beign taught by the pastor of the church...that gives me hope...in the mean time please keep us in your prayers

as we speak Sac is showing me girls in the maxim magazine and telling how pretty they are...checking out Tina Fey, said wow! when he saw her pic...
at bank he told me to check out the girl behind the counter...that she was hot...ok...this is not at all christian or not even helpful in trying to regain TRUST in our relationship...

Uncool, Zachery.

[Puppy Dog]

Converts to what?

What do you think you are that she is not?

She says that she's Christian and has already been saved.

Is it because she knows the value of money and you think money is worthless?

Is it because she is trying to be realistic about some things and you are trying to pursue your dreams?

She's not a robot and you are not going to be able to make her a clone of yourself. And I don't even know why you would want to.

i never said i thought money was worthless.

I said i don't worship money.

It is a tool. Nothing more than a tool.

She can be as realistic as she wants, that's her business.

I know she's not a robot. Why do you think i'm trying to set her free?

She's STRONGER than she realizes.

I'm just helping her realize it. :tu

And frankly? If i'm superconfident and flying high? Why wouldn't I want my wife to join me?

That's right, I'd be a SUPER ASSSHOLE if I left her down there instead of lifted her up.

I love my wifey so much, I'm willing to lose her...I know that makes peoples heads spin...but it's the TRUTH. :tu

[Shelly]

Looter errr Deuce stole my shoes and I still can't find them. It's been going on three days now.

:pctoss

My dog is 4 (i think--but around there) and to this day she still steals my shoes. Bitch!

[Wifey]

To me, it sounds like you're trying to convert her to YOUR way of thinking, like you've been doing on the forum.


You tell him GIRL! :blah

[MannyIsGod]

I think Zak missed the part of Christianity where they address pride. Well, Zak, you're lucky she's still with you. If I were in her shoes, I would have taken steps out the door without so much as a second look. You need her a lot more than you realize or are currently willing to admit.

And I find the fact that you think you know more than a member of the clergy about their religion to be the most obvious sign of your pride. It is honestly quite sad watching you turn into so much of an asshole. I like you a lot, but I don't like the person you are trying to turn yourself into one bit.

[Shelly]

i never said i thought money was worthless.

I said i don't worship money.

It is a tool. Nothing more than a tool.

She can be as realistic as she wants, that's her business.

I know she's not a robot. Why do you think i'm trying to set her free?

She's STRONGER than she realizes.

I'm just helping her realize it. :tu

And frankly? If i'm superconfident and flying high? Why wouldn't I want my wife to join me?

That's right, I'd be a SUPER ASSSHOLE if I left her down there instead of lifted her up.

I love my wifey so much, I'm willing to lose her...I know that makes peoples heads spin...but it's the TRUTH. :tu


As long as you get what you want, then everything will be fine, right?

[Kori Ellis]

And frankly? If i'm superconfident and flying high? Why wouldn't I want my wife to join me?

That's right, I'd be a SUPER ASSSHOLE if I left her down there instead of lifted her up.

I love my wifey so much, I'm willing to lose her...I know that makes peoples heads spin...but it's the TRUTH. :tu

You use psycho-religious babble to try to manipulate her. That's not Christian; that's wrong.

You make her feel bad about herself by saying hurtful things to her to the point you make her cry on the phone to me -- a person she barely knows. That's not Christian; that's wrong.

You use your Christianity at your convenience. For example to say that she's not truly Christian, yet you are the one lusting after women in Maxim in front of her face. That's not Christian; that's wrong.

I know you try to think that you read the Bible and you know what's up. But there's an Adam and an Eve in the Bible .. not just Adam. You are going to a desolate, poor, and very very lonely and sad Adam when she leaves your ass.

[Shelly]

You tell him GIRL! :blah


I'm on your side.

I saw my s-i-l do it to my brother and it wasn't pretty.

[smeagol]

What Duff has done is dispicable.

[Wifey]

That's total bullshit! Sounds like brainwashing to me.

the other day he said I could not ask anyone anything without going through him first...now, I thought we lived in a free society where we woman can speak our mind...

[Puppy Dog]

Uncool, Zachery.


i know it's not cool man.

but i got reasons.

she thinks I lust after every hottie that SHE notices.

then she looks at my eyes to see if I notice.

that's bullshit. either she trusts me or she doesn't...

let any man that has NEVER noticed a pretty girl or read a maxim cast the 1st stone...:lmao

[Kori Ellis]

the other day he said I could not ask anyone anything without going through him first...now, I thought we lived in a free society where we woman can speak our mind...

Another example of a non-Christian, wrong act.

But Sac will spin it. Watch.

[Shelly]

the other day he said I could not ask anyone anything without going through him first...now, I thought we lived in a free society where we woman can speak our mind...


We do and you have the freedom to kick his ass from here to heaven.

I know it's easier said than done, though.

[Puppy Dog]

the other day he said I could not ask anyone anything without going through him first...now, I thought we lived in a free society where we woman can speak our mind...



uhh yeah, that was MY photo shoot...and then you made me feel like a child in the 5 minutes you were there...good job. :lol

but i learned my lesson...your posting here now aren't you?

speaking your mind right now aren't you?

so what's the problem?

[Wifey]

I think Zak missed the part of Christianity where they address pride. Well, Zak, you're lucky she's still with you. If I were in her shoes, I would have taken steps out the door without so much as a second look. You need her a lot more than you realize or are currently willing to admit.

And I find the fact that you think you know more than a member of the clergy about their religion to be the most obvious sign of your pride. It is honestly quite sad watching you turn into so much of an asshole. I like you a lot, but I don't like the person you are trying to turn yourself into one bit.


Yes...PRIDE is his down fall...plus his selfishness...he does things for others but when it comes to me...I'm always last...does not discuss his actions with me until after the fact...sometimes I feel like I'm a slave because I feel so tied down :depressed

[MannyIsGod]

Well Zak, I'm sure the longer you continue being an asshole to her the easier it is going to be for her to get over her insecurities regarding other women but I don't think it is going to be in the way you envison.

[Puppy Dog]

be back later folks...library is closing...

[smeagol]

Yes...PRIDE is his down fall...plus his selfishness...he does things for others but when it comes to me...I'm always last...does not discuss his actions with me until after the fact...sometimes I feel like I'm a slave because I feel so tied down :depressed
Sac, WTF!

I said I like the new Sac much more than the old Zak, but what I'm hearing from wifey, I don't like at all.

[Shelly]

Duff probably thinks he's off the hook now. :lol

[Das Texan]

you just have to show looter who the boss is. get a spray water bottle and when he is bad spray him. will 'get his attention' and after a while he 'should' be cured of it.

just remember.


human = boss

dog <> the boss

[Trainwreck2100]

Well Zak, I'm sure the longer you continue being an asshole to her the easier it is going to be for her to get over her insecurities regarding other women but I don't think it is going to be in the way you envison.


You mean she'll become so tired of men and their bullshit she'll pull a "Panther cheerleader" to that I say :tu



In all seriousness Zack if you keep being a bitch you are in trouble. You say you can go without sex, but how long do you think you can go without the companionship of a good woman (she sounds good cause if she was anyone I know she would have dumped your ass) So be careful of losing what you are willing to give up.

[Kori Ellis]

you just have to show looter who the boss is. get a spray water bottle and when he is bad spray him. will 'get his attention' and after a while he 'should' be cured of it.

just remember.


human = boss

dog <> the boss

How would we spray him? The time that he's "bad" is when we aren't here. That's when he cries at the window the whole time we are gone. That's when he steals LJ's belongings. He's very lonely. He was rescued from N.O. and I think just needs to realize we aren't going to abandon him.

[angel_luv]

Zac- you should listen to Koiri & l.j, Shelly and Manny cause they are all giving you good advice.

But much more important, you should listen to your wife. She is such a good woman to stand by you and you don't seem to consider her feelings at all.
God blessed you. Don't ruin it.

[Das Texan]

How would we spray him? The time that he's "bad" is when we aren't here. That's when he cries at the window the whole time we are gone. That's when he steals LJ's belongings. He's very lonely. He was rescued from N.O. and I think just needs to realize we aren't going to abandon him.


well if he is being bad when you are gone then i dont know what to say.

and you would spray him with a simple water bottle with those spray mists...kinda like the windex bottles, but obviously with water and not windex.

[Kori Ellis]

I knew what you meant by spraying. When I said "How would we spray him?" I meant because we weren't here.

:lol

Thanks for everyone's advice. I think he just needs more time and maybe a companion.

[j-6]

How would we spray him? The time that he's "bad" is when we aren't here. That's when he cries at the window the whole time we are gone. That's when he steals LJ's belongings. He's very lonely. He was rescued from N.O. and I think just needs to realize we aren't going to abandon him.

If you guys are home the majority of the day, and he only acts up while you're gone, another dog is probably not the answer. All a second canine is going to be is an accomplice. I don't remember who said to crate him, but that's as good of an idea as any if you can't just leave him in the backyard (is he a digger or an escape artist?) while you're gone.

[King]

Zak - you don't know a fraction of what you think you do, and unfortunately it's going to take a huge fall before you realize that.

Shame that you're taking the lady with you.

[MannyIsGod]

Man, this thread has ADD worse than a 5 year old crack baby.

[Trainwreck2100]

I bet you Duff thinks all these comments are about him.

[Shelly]

I knew what you meant by spraying. When I said "How would we spray him?" I meant because we weren't here.

:lol

Thanks for everyone's advice. I think he just needs more time and maybe a companion.


Serioulsy, try putting him in his kennel. Blondie would do stuff like that AND go to the bathroom in the house when we left. We always put her in it when we left and it broke the habit.

Or Blondie could be his girlfriend...

[blackbucket]

We need yet another poll.

Who is the bigger dumbass? Sac or Duff

[Kori Ellis]

If you guys are home the majority of the day, and he only acts up while you're gone, another dog is probably not the answer. All a second canine is going to be is an accomplice. I don't remember who said to crate him, but that's as good of an idea as any if you can't just leave him in the backyard (is he a digger or an escape artist?) while you're gone.

Why wouldn't another dog help? They could hang out and play while we are gone and hopefully ease his loneliness. I don't really care about him stealing LJ's belongings :lol he does that because he's lonely. I want him to be stop panicking and crying. I'm not sure if you guys realize how bad it is .. he stands in the window completely freaked out and crying the whole time. It's not like a regular dog just complaining, he's actually having some sort of anxiety attack. If I put him in the backyard, he'd just do the same thing. Crating might help, but it might make him panic even more.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, fucking Duff probably does think hes gotten off.

[Shelly]

Why wouldn't another dog help? They could hang out and play while we are gone and hopefully easy his loneliness. I don't really care about him stealing LJ's belongings :lol he does that because he's lonely. I want him to be stop panicking and crying. I'm not sure if you guys realize how bad it is .. he stands in the window completely freaked out and crying the whole time. It's not like a regular dog just complaining, he's actually having some sort of anxiety attack. If I put him in the backyard, he'd just do the same thing. Crating might help, but it might make him panic even more.


I don't think crating will because of the den instinct.

Have you asked your vet?

[blackbucket]

My dog had the same problem. I don't recommend this but I used one of those "shock" collars (I did it on myself to make sure it wasn't too harsh :spin ). I recorded the first day I used it. He cried/howled once, got shocked and then waited a few minutes. Tested it by growling/howling louder, louder, louder until he set it off again. He yelped and never cried/howled again when I would leave!

What I would recommend is the Dog Whisperers technique. I don't remember exactly what it is though. I'm sure you can find it on the net. It worked for Oprah's pooch. Much more humane!


Kori, don't know if you saw this but the dog whisperer has an effective behavior modification for seperation anxiety. I'll see if I can find it on the net. I know he teaches it during his $75 seminar!

[Kori Ellis]

Thanks, Blackbucket, I'll check into it.

And I'll look into crating too.

In the meantime, our neighbors think we have the best watchdog of all time because he stands up on his hindlegs for hours while we are gone :lol

[T Park]

Damn.

Got to the end of this thread.


I consider my self not a hardcore christian, but one that is, but doesn't go to church.


Zak is under the Nazi religion.

Zak has gone from good to a horrible person in minutes.


Duff?? Where is his response?

People have shown him online??

I WILL NOT REMOVE THE SIG TILL HE PAYS JIM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[angel_luv]

Poor dog, he's afraid you won't come back.

A canine friend could do him a world of good. I wish I lived closer to you. I love dogs but can't have one- says my landlady.

[samikeyp]

Yeah, fucking Duff probably does think hes gotten off.

seeing all of this attention...he probably did get off.

[ShoogarBear]

I consider my self not a hardcore christian, but one that is, but doesn't go to church.


That's the only statement in this entire thread that makes no sense.

[Das Texan]

I knew what you meant by spraying. When I said "How would we spray him?" I meant because we weren't here.

:lol

Thanks for everyone's advice. I think he just needs more time and maybe a companion.


oops. its the name. if yall really did name him looter, he thinks when nobody is around he is supposed to do just that.


other than that i got nothing.

[gay abc]

My dog is 4 (i think--but around there) and to this day she still steals my shoes. Bitch!


:lol

but you still love her :spin

[T Park]

That's the only statement in this entire thread that makes no sense

IS NOT

(sticks tounge out)

[pseudofan]

THE DOCTOR IS IN:

Okay..

Jim: you're a fool, nice enough, but a fool none the less

Duff: Pay the man Buckwheat or you shall henceforth be considered an ass no matter what you do

The Dog: Take him with you or don't go out. He's a baby. My kids used to do the same thing when I left them home alone with a bowl of water and some bologna, then I finally realized what I should be doing :) :LOL

Sac: You're an ass, cut your crap out because I've seen your wife and you are indeed a lucky man. Maxim, their editors, nor anyone ever featured in Maxim will be knocking at your door anytime soon. Let it go man. A wise person once said it's better to want what you have than to have what you want. PS- Jesus and his disciples did not read Maxim or lust after other women........

You know, I was watching Spike TV the other day and that show where the guys are in a cage beating the crap out of each other was on. Boy! It just made me want to fight! I was ready to look for a cousin lovin, snaggle toothed, wooden car drivin, ugly ass, backwoods hillbilly to beat the crap out of!!!! :)

[samikeyp]

Pay the man Buckwheat or you shall henceforth be considered an ass no matter what you do

We may have already passed that point! :lol

[MI21]

I saw this thread and thought to myself, "Should I read this?"

30 minutes latter, and I'm glad I did. Fuck there are some absolute idiots out there who truly aren't existing in reality :lol

Get a grip.

[T Park]

Fuck there are some absolute idiots out there who truly aren't existing in reality

Aint that the truth.

(looks around hoping no one snickers or looks at him quickly)

[baseline bum]

I don't buy any of this Zak/Wifey shit. He came in here and posted all that crap to get y'all to stop talking about how much of a lowlife piece of shit Duff is, and everyone followed him. This thread should be exclusively about how much Duff sucks and that's it.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't buy any of this Zak/Wifey shit. He came in here and posted all that crap to get y'all to stop talking about how much of a lowlife piece of shit Duff is, and everyone followed him. This thread should be exclusively about how much Duff sucks and that's it.

Funny how much your sig makes me laugh after "learning" of Zak's *ahem* choice of sides.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't buy any of this Zak/Wifey shit. He came in here and posted all that crap to get y'all to stop talking about how much of a lowlife piece of shit Duff is, and everyone followed him. This thread should be exclusively about how much Duff sucks and that's it.

Base, I wish it weren't true. But I talked to Mrs. Zak on the phone.

[T Park]

Yikes.

I thought Zak was smarter than that....

[mouse]

After I got a dog, I found out that if I leave her alone she freaks out. Not just for a few minutes but until I go back inside the apartment, I am not talking about a bark here and there, I am talking about a dog that acts like it's foot is caught in a bear trap.

I found out when I was alone with the dog and went to take out the trash. I could here the dog all the way to the dumpster, we found out the hard way there is ony 3 things you can do, You can make sure someone stays home to play with the dog when you leave, or you can take the dog to someones house. or you can take the dog with you,

The only thing kori has going for her is , she does not live in an apartment. Crazyone thought I was making more of this dog than it really was, He thought I was using the dog as an excuse not to go to his church, so he got the dog a long red cable and we tied the dog to a tree, as soon as we got around the corner and the dog could not see us anymore? the dog started to howl like some sort of rabid wearwolf

The dog was so loud ,we could not hear the sunday school teacher. I had to sit outside and try and hear the church service from outside so I could try and calm the dog down.

we have to work around the dog, I even had to turn down many GTG's beacuse of the dog, why do you think I took my dog to the last two gtgs? I don't think the cage or crate is a good idea. the dog will soon start to develope some sort of POW syndrome and you may do more damage than good, not to mention the dog will know what you are trying to do next time, and will put up a fight.


you need to shave the dog and try and make it look like an ugly baby and take the dog with you to the SBC center in a stroller , or you need to drop the dog off at someones place,

I am sure for 20 bucks, there are many kids that would love to watch your dog .

In fact you can hire Duff 30 times at 20 dollars a pop to pay off Jim's 600.00

just think you can kill two birds at the same time , as I manage to help you with your doag, and still stay on topic about Duff , thus avoiding the wrath of Manny.

[bigzak25]

Zak wants his cake and to eat it too.


but i really like cake...i didn't get this fat eating salads...:lol

[bigzak25]

hey mouse, stick around for a few minutes...i'm gonna post a thread that will make you spit your beer...gimme about 20 minutes...you won't fuckin believe it...:lol :tu

[iminlakerland]

wow finally done reading this...wow so much drama, hope everyone gets their issues straigtened out!

[bigzak25]

I think Zak missed the part of Christianity where they address pride. Well, Zak, you're lucky she's still with you. If I were in her shoes, I would have taken steps out the door without so much as a second look. You need her a lot more than you realize or are currently willing to admit.

And I find the fact that you think you know more than a member of the clergy about their religion to be the most obvious sign of your pride. It is honestly quite sad watching you turn into so much of an asshole. I like you a lot, but I don't like the person you are trying to turn yourself into one bit.


Man, I told Kori earlier that I didn't care what others thought of me, but to hear you call me an asshole. Yeah, that kind of hurts a little. I respect you man. I know your just calling it like you see it.

You and anyone else doesn't have to believe me, but I promise you, I'm not an asshole. I love my wife. Always will. Til the day i die. And then some. You guys are like an extended family to me, but me and wifey have been married going on 3 years next wednesday. She's closer to me and me closer to her than anyone else in the world. She's the ONE for me. She's PERFECT...for me. And I wouldn't want it any other way.

However, and you guys and dolls don't see it now, what I am doing is making her stronger. I am toughening her up so to speak. I need a strong woman to walk where i'm going and I want her to be the one. I know I said i didn't need anybody, maybe i was wrong. But nonetheless, believe this, She is Stronger right now, even as she is sleeping upstairs, then she was when she got up this morning. And now she has friends she can talk to as well.

It wasn't really my plan in the morning, but I really like the way it worked out.

And lastly, what some call PRIDE? I call ambition. There is a slight but subtle difference, but they are quite easy to confuse, so I don't begrudge anyone.

Check out the thread i'm about to post and THEN tell me how much PRIDE I have...I DARE YOU. :tu

now YOU gets to knittin too Manny...err...God...err Manny, errr...MannyisGod...who's the PRIDEFUL one again? :lol

[mouse]

Iminlakerland ?


I wish you would post a picture of yourself , these guys think Angel is the only hot babe that post here , :smokin

[bigzak25]

I wish you would post a picture of yourself , these guys think Angel is the only hot babe that post here , :smokin



YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND...WAIT FOR IT...JUST A FEW MORE MINUTES NOW...NO BULLSHIT...IT WILL BE WORTH IT...BEST POST EVER...PINKY SWEAR...:lol

[Kori Ellis]

However, and you guys and dolls don't see it now, what I am doing is making her stronger. I am toughening her up so to speak

It's not right to tear people down to try to make them stronger. And that's what you are doing, tearing her down. You are walking a thin line and if you aren't careful, you are going to fall off and not be able to recover.

[mouse]

It's not right to tear people down to try to make them stronger..


If what bigSnack is saying is true? then after what Duff went through today?
he should look like mr universe :lmao

[bigzak25]

It's not right to tear people down to try to make them stronger. And that's what you are doing, tearing her down. You are walking a thin line and if you aren't careful, you are going to fall off and not be able to recover.


i respectfully disagree.

our soldiers fighting for our freedom right now go through that very thing.

they are torn down and built up again.

if they can do it? so can she. :tu


ever hear the phrases,

it's always darkest before the dawn...

one must learn to crawl before they can learn to walk...

etc...

but when I build her up?

it's IN JESUS CHRIST.

Remember peeps, I'm doing this out of LOVE.

I can't lose. :tu

[Kori Ellis]

i respectfully disagree.

our soldiers fighting for our freedom right now go through that very thing.

they are torn down and built up again.

if they can do it? so can she. :tu


ever hear the phrases,

it's always darkest before the dawn...

one must learn to crawl before they can learn to walk...

etc...

but when I build her up?

it's IN JESUS CHRIST.

Remember peeps, I'm doing this out of LOVE.

I can't lose. :tu

You are comparing your relationship with your wife to soldiers in Iraq. Are you listening to how whack you sound? She didn't sign up for Zak's Boot Camp.

When you tear her down is it in Jesus Christ too?

The point is Sac that she doesn't need torn down just because she isn't living in Christianity how you think she should be. You need to treat her with love and kindness if you want her to become a better person (though I'm not sure that she is the one who needs to become a better person).

Just because YOU think you have had an awakening and are changing your life in a certain way doesn't mean SHE is going through the same revelation as you. What works for you isn't going to work for her. Like I told you before, she isn't your clone and I don't know why you want her to be.

[MannyIsGod]

Man, I told Kori earlier that I didn't care what others thought of me, but to hear you call me an asshole. Yeah, that kind of hurts a little. I respect you man. I know your just calling it like you see it.

You and anyone else doesn't have to believe me, but I promise you, I'm not an asshole. I love my wife. Always will. Til the day i die. And then some. You guys are like an extended family to me, but me and wifey have been married going on 3 years next wednesday. She's closer to me and me closer to her than anyone else in the world. She's the ONE for me. She's PERFECT...for me. And I wouldn't want it any other way.

However, and you guys and dolls don't see it now, what I am doing is making her stronger. I am toughening her up so to speak. I need a strong woman to walk where i'm going and I want her to be the one. I know I said i didn't need anybody, maybe i was wrong. But nonetheless, believe this, She is Stronger right now, even as she is sleeping upstairs, then she was when she got up this morning. And now she has friends she can talk to as well.

It wasn't really my plan in the morning, but I really like the way it worked out.

And lastly, what some call PRIDE? I call ambition. There is a slight but subtle difference, but they are quite easy to confuse, so I don't begrudge anyone.

Check out the thread i'm about to post and THEN tell me how much PRIDE I have...I DARE YOU. :tu

now YOU gets to knittin too Manny...err...God...err Manny, errr...MannyisGod...who's the PRIDEFUL one again? :lol
Zak, I flat out don't like what you have become in after your trip to Chicago. You're not the same by any stretch of the imagination and I don't know what facilitated the change but it isn't cool.

I have no idea what is happening between you and your wife, but what is shown on this message board is far from pleasent. Look dude, I know I'm an asshole online but the fact is that I care a shitload about the people I know on this board I consider my friends, and you are one of them. I thought it was incredible that you had the balls to get up and go to Los Angeles, but at some point you have to stop the wreckless abonandon when it comes to your life. You have tiest to other people and as much as you want to try to convince yourself and others that you don't need them and they don't need you it is a piss poor game of semantics that you shoudln't be playing to begin with! I can live without a Kidney, but that by no stretch of your imagination means I don't need it. You may be able to live without your wife and she may be able to live without you but to construe that into meaning that you don't need each other is a sad misrepresentation of the facts. Very very sad.

There are a few lessons I have learned in life, and especially over the past few years. You don't take the things you have for granted, because they can very easily be gone the next day. And at the top of that list, you need to put the people you love and care about. It sounds like one endless stupid Hallmark card but that is because there is a ton of truth to it.

I think you need to realize you are not your wife's teacher, Zak. You are her husband and while you may be trying to make her believe your new mantra is the way to go, that is severly out of line. What's worse is I don't belive you even believe half the bullshit you've been spewing lately. I think you want to believe it, but I don't think you do. I'm not Dr. Phil though.

You're using your religion as a crutch, and a weak one at that. You use it at your convinence and you simply are versed enough in it to acurately make the judgements based upon it. You flat out need to seek the guidance of somenoe who is educated along those lines if that is the path you want to walk. But using the bible as a justification for your actions is bullshit. Zak, you need to come back to the world of grown ups where we make decisions and and deal with the consequences. You made a decision to marry your wife, and now is the time you live up to it and put her before yourself.

Take what the people say on here to heart.

[Puppy Dog]

Look dude, the fact is that I care a shitload about the people I know on this board I consider my friends, and you are one of them.

You don't take the things you have for granted, because they can very easily be gone the next day. And at the top of that list, you need to put the people you love and care about.

What's worse is I don't belive you even believe half the bullshit you've been spewing lately.

You're using your religion as a crutch, and a weak one at that...using the bible as a justification for your actions is bullshit.

Zak, you need to come back to the world of grown ups where we make decisions and and deal with the consequences. You made a decision to marry your wife, and now is the time you live up to it and put her before yourself.

Take what the people say on here to heart.

Thanks Manny, I know you speak from your heart.

Now let me tell you what I think...not what I know, but what i think. :tu

I consider you and many others on this forum my friends as well. Thanks!

I don't take things for granted anymore. Used to. Don't anymore. :tu

If you don't believe 'the bullshit i've been spewing' recently, than watch and learn young jedi. :tu :lol

You are right, my religion is my crutch. But there is nothing weak about it...and using it as justification for my actions is FAR from bullshit brother.

I don't want to come back to the world of 'grown-ups'.

I'm a kid at heart, and I plan to STAY that way.

But KNOW this, I DO put my wife 1st. I have for a long time...even though I did fuck up royally by cheating BEFORE we were married, and smoking weed after we were married. But I quit smoking weed now, and I refuse to cheat.
Dude, I'm trying not to even LOOK at another woman lustfully, how many here can say the same? Cut me some slack, jack. :lol

But I WILL take what You and other's who's opinion's I value to heart...you can rest assured on that one. Thanks man.

[xcoriate]

and I'm done.

Finally finished reading this crazy thread and well..

Sac you have got to be kidding me? Comparing your wife to soldiers and the de-humanizing process they are put through? wtf man? Dude you've been pleasant enough before and I've never had beef with you but this shit is absurd!

Now its not my place to give relationship advice, or religious advice, but I can tell when someone is fucking up there life. Don't do it man take a step back and start apologising, get on your knees and beg forgiveness for being such a dick.

[MI21]

Yo X, doesn't it just make you feel like saying, "Only in America!"

:lol

[xcoriate]

:lmao, someone is going to have your balls for that.

I'm sure this kinda shit happens down here as well but I doubt its enough for an ep of Springer everyday.

[bigzak25]

Yo X, doesn't it just make you feel like saying, "Only in America!"

:lol


RACK. :tu :lol


i'm here to entertain, it's what i do, it's who i am.

as for me and wifey? no worries folks, she's tough.

remember, SHE wears the pants in the family...

and if you look at the other thread, She got the looks too...:lol

[JoeChalupa]

Marriage rocks!!!

[smeagol]

Zaq, get some sleep.

[CosmicCowboy]

*hitting refresh button*

What time does the library in Pomona open?

[Puppy Dog]

*hitting refresh button*

What time does the library in Pomona open?



oh i'm at home now...

the thing is, Uncle D and his wife don't like me on the computer when they are at home, as i tie up their phone line...which is fair enough...

so unless it's the middle of the night when they are asleep, or during the day when they are at work? I gotta be offline here at the pad...

BUT, i'm gonna get our own local phoneline installed in our room, so problem will be solved very shortly...

and i gotta get the window on my wife's truck fixed now...the windshield had a couple cracks i needed to fix anyway, but some bastard broke out the passenger side window yesterday...it sucks fo sure, but i don't really care...i'll just get it fixed and move on...what can you do, ya know...shit happens...

[CosmicCowboy]

http://webfantasy.info/Jennifer_Love_Hewitt/Images/jennifer_love_hewitt_01.jpg

*sigh*...your very own phone line?...oh Zak!...ambitious men just make me soooo wet!

[Puppy Dog]

http://webfantasy.info/Jennifer_Love_Hewitt/Images/jennifer_love_hewitt_01.jpg

*sigh*...your very own phone line?...oh Zak!...ambitious men just make me soooo wet!


Judas, thy name is Cosmic Cowboy...and I can't lie...when i read that quote...it moved...:lol

[Puppy Dog]

i can see myself with Jenny doing the chevy chase scene...

'this is crazy, this is crazy, this is crazy'

damn it, that's THE test...shit, i better pass...i have to pass...

eh, who am i kidding, did you see my pic?

Jenny don't want no fat fuck...or will she? :lol

[Extra Stout]

Zach needs some serious remedial Bible teaching about how a husband is supposed to treat his wife.

You say you don't need her? The Bible says you are one flesh. You are supposed to be inseparable.

The Bible says you are supposed to cherish and care for her as you would cherish and care for your own body. You're supposed to treat her the way Christ treats the church. You don't tear her down. You don't manipulate her. You don't "test" her to make her stronger.

You're supposed to put her up on a pedestal. You're supposed to be focused on meeting her needs, not yours. If she followed you out to the desert to chase your dream, then she's a princess. But it's backwards. You're supposed to be sacrificing yourself for her.

That's what servant leadership means. Servant leadership is not getting preachy and talking down to people. It's not "forcing" her to convert. It's giving yourself up for her the way Christ gave himself up for the church.

If you'd truly changed your life the way you claim, you never would have gone to Southern California. Now that you're there, all you can do is stop living in this dream world and stop getting washed around like a piece of flotsam in the waves. The Bible says when you act like that it means you are not grounded in the Word. That is not God's plan for anybody. What you're doing is following Zack's plan and throwing up God as an excuse whenever anybody calls you on it.

People talk about how wives are supposed to submit to husbands. Well, that only works if the husband is putting his wife before himself. A wife is supposed to respect her husband, but that only works if the husband is respectable.

You are not respectable right now. She should not have to support you. You are an able-bodied adult, and your actions are abrogating your marriage covenant. You are not being faithful. You can be unfaithful without sleeping with somebody else. If you're buying a girlie magazine and showing off the girls to your wife, you're telling her that she's not good enough, that somebody else is the apple of your eye.

You're breaking your marriage covenant. You're not being what a man and a husband is supposed to be. If you keep this up, you will lose her.

You don't have the answers. You say you don't need to talk to clergy. The Bible says that you're supposed to heed wise counsel. You're supposed to heed the elders of the church. If you think you're going to do it alone because you have a Bible and you think you know what God is telling you, you are wrong. That is unbiblical. The Bible says that you grow and mature as part of a community of believers.

The Holy Spirit is not the only spirit out there, and if you snap out of it and listen to what these people who care about you are saying, you should see that the spirit that has a hold of you right now is not of God, and that you need to do a 180 and start going in the other direction.

I don't know you from Adam really, but I know somebody drifting way off course when I see it.

[clooneyschick04]

EXCELLENT points, Stout.

[Puppy Dog]

hey Stout, i appreciate your words, cuz i believe that you say them out of concern.

Thanks.

[Vashner]

One time my X made some sandwiches for a bum with a sign "Will work for food" that was kinda in our apartment route back in the day. The bum said "I don't want this shit I want money for beer you Beep"...

From that day on I never wanted to donate to beggers again. Salvation army, red cross, Sam shelter ok. Bum with 2 legs... hell no they will never see a penny of mine.

[Puppy Dog]

One time my X made some sandwiches for a bum with a sign "Will work for food" that was kinda in our apartment route back in the day. The bum said "I don't want this shit I want money for beer you Beep"...

From that day on I never wanted to donate to beggers again. Salvation army, red cross, Sam shelter ok. Bum with 2 legs... hell no they will never see a penny of mine.


that's cool...lieutenant dan's need help too....:lol

[Useruser666]

Man, what have I learned by reading all this?

Never reply, "Wow, I've finally read this whole thread!" When ten minutes later your reply is buried ten pages deep.

Duff is Zak's wife.

Zak is a dog that is having seperation issues. And will possibly be crated by his wife and/or Kori.

Jim proved that you can buy respect and admiration..

Atleast in this forum, Duff is made entirely of Teflon.

[CosmicCowboy]

Man, what have I learned by reading all this?

Never reply, "Wow, I've finally read this whole thread!" When ten minutes later your reply is buried ten pages deep.

Duff is Zak's wife.

Zak is a dog that is having seperation issues. And will possibly be crated by his wife and/or Kori.

Jim proved that you can buy respect and admiration..

Atleast in this forum, Duff is made entirely of Teflon.

:lmao

[SpursWoman]

:lol :rollin

You forgot something though.........



Man, what have I learned by reading all this?

Never reply, "Wow, I've finally read this whole thread!" When ten minutes later your reply is buried ten pages deep.

Duff is Zak's wife.

Zak is a dog that is having seperation issues. And will possibly be crated by his wife and/or Kori.

Jim proved that you can buy respect and admiration..

Atleast in this forum, Duff is made entirely of Teflon.

SW's old ass loves me.



There...I fixed it. :) :makeout

[tlongII]

All I can say is that if Zak's wife was my sister I would be just about ready to give Zak a serious beatdown.

[KEDA]

Wow Zac,

I have to tell you, as a friend of yours for the last year or so, Ive seen you go through alot of change.

Change I thought was good for you.

Until now.

Bro, take a look at things, I know you think you are doing the correct thing by "tearing your wife down to build her up again" but that isnt the case. She is only getting more callus to the fact that you are treating her like shit. Ive had a little bit of experience in this matter when Krista and I split. We used to fight slot, especailly towards the end, and we got so callus to each others threats that she finally just called me on the phone one day and left my life for good. Granted we were just boyfriend and girlfriend, but it still was the worst thing to ever happen in my life.

the question I ask you is, DO YOU WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO YOU?

I would recommend talking to your wife and sorting things out. Love isnt worth losing over some jaded bullshit like "Im making her stronger". Why does she need to be stronger, after three years of marriage, and basically leaving EVERYTHING she knows and loves behind so YOU can go to L A on a WHIM to be a comic (like there are so few out there). Isnt that strong enough? I know it would be for me. I seriously think you need to be a tad more appreciative for what she has done for you and your "dream".

Ill be real with you Zac, when you were at Kori's house for the going away party, you and I spoke about how "free" you were, and I envied you, I wanted to have that kind of mental freedom, and having that huge weight lifted off of my shoulders. But now seeing what that can make a person become, Im not too sure if I want that anymore.

You know me, Im not going to revert to calling you a dick, or your an asshole for the way you have treated this situation, but Zac, take a look at this globally, do you like being this way? Do you like the way your wife has become? Do you like the fact that you were being hit by your wife and having water thrown at you? If the answer is yes, then continue, but if it isnt, make those changes IMMEDIATLEY! Before something way worse happens, like losing the love of YOUR life!

Be an adult about this and do whats right not only for you but your FAMILY as well.

[Triumph]

hmmm...i liked that post alot Keda. thanks man.

let me be clear on this thread...when i said tear down,

i meant i need to tear down her emotional dependance on me

so that she can realize she doesn't need me.

she is messed up right now cuz i told her i cheated on her.

i told her this a couple months ago.

it actually happened over 4 years ago, before we were married, when we were long distance...doesn't change that fact that i was wrong and that i was an asshole for doing it...

but now?

things are different.

if i wanted to continue to search for and 'upgrade' in that typical asshole fashion, i could have continued the lie...and frankly, if i had it to do over again? I wouldn't have told her shit...i'm sorry i did it...i should have carried that shit to the grave and just let God burn me a bit longer to pay for my crime...

i fucked up by telling her.

now she carries the pain that was meant for my shoulders.

THAT is why i gotta get her to stop leaning on ME emotionally, and learn to lean on Jesus and Jesus ALONE.

Now that doesn't mean i'm not gonna be there for her, emotionally, financially, or whatever, for the REST of her life and mine, I WILL BE THERE...but i need her to realize, that she doesn't NEED me to be there...not right now anyway...

dude, she freaks if i look at a fuckin maxim magazine man!

she thinks i'm masturbating in bed and thinking of another woman if i have a fuckin scratch in the middle of the night?

my sins of the past fucked her up, and my faith in the present and future is gonna be what lifts her out of that shit...

I believe...uh oh..here she comes....

[KEDA]

is it that wrong to need someone?

I think just for the fact that she put EVERYTHING on hold so she could be with you to support your dream is more than enough. It looks like she needs you, and wants to need you, why try to ruin that?

[KEDA]

uh oh..here she comes....


she's a man eater!

[SpursWoman]

dude, she freaks if i look at a fuckin maxim magazine man!

If you go on and on about the girls in those magazines in front of her like you have done in this forum for years, you're far beyond just *looking* at the magazines.

That'd wear on my self-esteem pretty badly after a while, too. Who the fuck wants to be constantly compared to unattainable perfection that's not even real in the first place? The hurtfulness of it is only going to escalate exponentially if there are other problems in your relationship. My personal opinion is that it's extremely disrespectful to your wife. That's exactly how I'd feel about it, and it doesn't sound like it's much different for her.

[Extra Stout]

i meant i need to tear down her emotional dependance on me.

so that she can realize she doesn't need me.Bad idea.


she is messed up right now cuz i told her i cheated on her.I imagine so.


things are different.Infidelity does that.


if i wanted to continue to search for and 'upgrade' in that typical asshole fashion, i could have continued the lie...and frankly, if i had it to do over again? I wouldn't have told her shit...i'm sorry i did it...i should have carried that shit to the grave and just let God burn me a bit longer to pay for my crime...

i fucked up by telling her.Without honesty, your relationship was built on a lie.


now she carries the pain that was meant for my shoulders.Wrong. You hurt her when you did it, even before she knew about it.


THAT is why i gotta get her to stop leaning on ME emotionally, and learn to lean on Jesus and Jesus ALONE.Oh, NOW I see what you're doing.

Nope. That doesn't work. You screwed up and violated her trust, and the two of you have to put the pieces back together. If she doesn't know Jesus, I seriously doubt you're going to be the one that leads here there. Your credibility is not so good.

Besides, it almost sounds like you're trying to equip her so she's strong enough to leave you, because you hate yourself.


Now that doesn't mean i'm not gonna be there for her, emotionally, financially, or whatever, for the REST of her life and mine, I WILL BE THERE...but i need her to realize, that she doesn't NEED me to be there...not right now anyway...If you don't believe she needs you, then there's not much point in staying married.


dude, she freaks if i look at a fuckin maxim magazine man!

she thinks i'm masturbating in bed and thinking of another woman if i have a fuckin scratch in the middle of the night?Well, yeah, you violated her trust. She can't trust you now. You have no margin for error.

These are called consequences.


my sins of the past fucked her up, and my faith in the present and future is gonna be what lifts her out of that shit...No, that's not how it works... you don't have the power to fix her... doing this your own way will only make it worse.

The first thing you would have to do is become trustworthy, so that maybe at some point in the future she might begin to be able to trust you again.

You're lucky she hasn't left you yet. Biblically, she could dump your ass yesterday. So, thank God he hasn't made it worse yet, humble yourself, admit you have the power in and of yourself to do NOTHING, and start to rebuild.

[Shelly]

Extra Stout's got it going on. Buy that man a beer!

[Triumph]

i'll buy stout a beer anytime...and that's no lie...i like a person with strong opinions...even if they're wrong...:lol

[Kori Ellis]

If she doesn't know Jesus, I seriously doubt you're going to be the one that leads here there. Your credibility is not so good.


The funny thing is that Mrs. Zak is already Christian. When I was talking to them yesterday, she said that she is already Saved. I guess that since she doesn't subscribe to Sac's exact terms of Christianity then she needs "tearing down" in his book.

He doesn't get it that he already tore her down by cheating and lying to her. And it's time to build her up through love not by his brand of tough love or whatever the fuck he thinks he's doing.

Bottomline is that Sac really doesn't really know jack about Christianity. And needs to go back and read up on a few passages about marriage and love.

[PM5K]

Can someone please tell me when Zac became a crackhead?

[Triumph]

Kori is Right!

but i'm learning, slowly but surely...maybe a bit too slowly for my own good...:lol

[Triumph]

Can someone please tell me when Zac became a crackhead?


you got rocks to smoke?

i'll take two dollas worth of crack...c'mon now...i'm good for it...i'll pay you tomorrow...:lol

[PM5K]

you got rocks to smoke?

i'll take two dollas worth of crack...c'mon now...i'm good for it...i'll pay you tomorrow...:lol

I'm not Jim, don't try to pull that shit on me...

[mookie2001]

reminds me of that time I went to jail for having rocks up in my jeans

[Wifey]

Man, I told Kori earlier that I didn't care what others thought of me, but to hear you call me an asshole. Yeah, that kind of hurts a little. I respect you man. I know your just calling it like you see it.

You and anyone else doesn't have to believe me, but I promise you, I'm not an asshole. I love my wife. Always will. Til the day i die. And then some. You guys are like an extended family to me, but me and wifey have been married going on 3 years next wednesday. She's closer to me and me closer to her than anyone else in the world. She's the ONE for me. She's PERFECT...for me. And I wouldn't want it any other way.

However, and you guys and dolls don't see it now, what I am doing is making her stronger. I am toughening her up so to speak. I need a strong woman to walk where i'm going and I want her to be the one. I know I said i didn't need anybody, maybe i was wrong. But nonetheless, believe this, She is Stronger right now, even as she is sleeping upstairs, then she was when she got up this morning. And now she has friends she can talk to as well.

It wasn't really my plan in the morning, but I really like the way it worked out.

And lastly, what some call PRIDE? I call ambition. There is a slight but subtle difference, but they are quite easy to confuse, so I don't begrudge anyone.

Check out the thread i'm about to post and THEN tell me how much PRIDE I have...I DARE YOU. :tu

now YOU gets to knittin too Manny...err...God...err Manny, errr...MannyisGod...who's the PRIDEFUL one again? :lol

Wifey sleeps by herself, while BigZak posts on the forum...

[travis2]

*shaking head*

[Wifey]

i respectfully disagree.

our soldiers fighting for our freedom right now go through that very thing.

they are torn down and built up again.

if they can do it? so can she. :tu


ever hear the phrases,

it's always darkest before the dawn...

one must learn to crawl before they can learn to walk...

etc...

but when I build her up?

it's IN JESUS CHRIST.

Remember peeps, I'm doing this out of LOVE.

I can't lose. :tu

just because you consider yourself a christian does not mean everything you do or think is in Jesus Christ's name...look at what Koresh in Waco did in the 90's...to me it sounds that is the path you are walking to...if you want to lift someone in Gods name, then do it like Jesus did...forgiveness and unconditional LOVE

[PM5K]

LOL, yup Zak is the next Koresh.

Put the Kool-Aid down big fella...

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL, yup Zak is the next Koresh.

Put the Kool-Aid down big fella...

nothing like a good mixed metaphor.

[Marcus Bryant]

Here's what I've gleaned from the thread: Duff lives with his parents and owes Jim $800. Triumph the Comic Insult Dog has found Jesus but apparently read the Cliffs Notes version of His teachings. Triumph is also unlikely to be getting tail anytime soon. Oh, did I mention that Duff lives with his parents and owes Jim $800?

[Wifey]

hmmm...i liked that post alot Keda. thanks man.

let me be clear on this thread...when i said tear down,

i meant i need to tear down her emotional dependance on me

so that she can realize she doesn't need me.

she is messed up right now cuz i told her i cheated on her.

i told her this a couple months ago.

it actually happened over 4 years ago, before we were married, when we were long distance...doesn't change that fact that i was wrong and that i was an asshole for doing it...

but now?

things are different.

if i wanted to continue to search for and 'upgrade' in that typical asshole fashion, i could have continued the lie...and frankly, if i had it to do over again? I wouldn't have told her shit...i'm sorry i did it...i should have carried that shit to the grave and just let God burn me a bit longer to pay for my crime...

i fucked up by telling her.

now she carries the pain that was meant for my shoulders.

THAT is why i gotta get her to stop leaning on ME emotionally, and learn to lean on Jesus and Jesus ALONE.

Now that doesn't mean i'm not gonna be there for her, emotionally, financially, or whatever, for the REST of her life and mine, I WILL BE THERE...but i need her to realize, that she doesn't NEED me to be there...not right now anyway...

dude, she freaks if i look at a fuckin maxim magazine man!

she thinks i'm masturbating in bed and thinking of another woman if i have a fuckin scratch in the middle of the night?

my sins of the past fucked her up, and my faith in the present and future is gonna be what lifts her out of that shit...

I believe...uh oh..here she comes....

Actually...he cheated with 5 woman (twice with two of them)...one that he claims he made love to...this was shortly after we got engaged and I was already planning our wedding...the others I am so ashamed to even mention...what he told me was horrible...made me sick and ashamed of marring someone that is sick in the mind and actions

[Wifey]

If you go on and on about the girls in those magazines in front of her like you have done in this forum for years, you're far beyond just *looking* at the magazines.

That'd wear on my self-esteem pretty badly after a while, too. Who the fuck wants to be constantly compared to unattainable perfection that's not even real in the first place? The hurtfulness of it is only going to escalate exponentially if there are other problems in your relationship. My personal opinion is that it's extremely disrespectful to your wife. That's exactly how I'd feel about it, and it doesn't sound like it's much different for her.

right on

[Marcus Bryant]

How does Triumph still possess his nutsack?

[PM5K]

How does Triumph still possess his nutsack?

What makes you think he does?

[Wifey]

i'll buy stout a beer anytime...and that's no lie...i like a person with strong opinions...even if they're wrong...:lol


Sac honey...look in the mirrow...you are wrong, not stout. When will you wake up and smell the coffee?

[Marcus Bryant]

Sac honey...look in the mirrow...you are wrong, not stout. When will you wake up and smell the coffee?


Think Bobbitt. Not that we'd condone such an act...but we'd understand.

[Das Texan]

Think Bobbitt. Not that we'd condone such an act...but we'd understand.

time for the choppin block?

[travis2]

Sac honey...look in the mirrow...you are wrong, not stout. When will you wake up and smell the coffee?

I am not a marriage counselor, nor do I play one on TV. Therefore what I say should not be accorded any special weight.

However...

Some only smell the coffee when they are forced to make it themselves.

[bigzak25]

well, hope you all enjoyed the show...me and wifey had a loose script, but i think it went well...:tu

[Kori Ellis]

well, hope you all enjoyed the show...me and wifey had a loose script, but i think it went well...:tu

Oh yeah, it's all a joke now including your wife crying her eyes out. :rolleyes

[travis2]

well, hope you all enjoyed the show...me and wifey had a loose script, but i think it went well...:tu

ummmmm...if that's true...I'd duck. Fast. Because what's coming is going to leave a mark...

[King]

It's not true - it's backpedaling.

[Kori Ellis]

ummmmm...if that's true...I'd duck. Fast. Because what's coming is going to leave a mark...

It's not true. He's just going to bail on the conversation now because he knows he's wrong.

[bigzak25]

just because you consider yourself a christian does not mean everything you do or think is in Jesus Christ's name...look at what Koresh in Waco did in the 90's...to me it sounds that is the path you are walking to...if you want to lift someone in Gods name, then do it like Jesus did...forgiveness and unconditional LOVE


You do realize Jesus was mocked and cucified and he was Perfect...

and i'm no Jesus, nor will I ever pretend to be...

but I do follow Him, believe it or not...

and when I reap the rewards, which won't be mine to keep by the way, not all of them at least...not most of them...okay look, i just want a humble chevy truck...that's it...:lol

what Jesus did was AWESOME AND UNMATCHABLE...

I'm here for a DIFFERENT purpose...i'm a rock. just a little rock. :smokin

[bigzak25]

Actually...he cheated with 5 woman (twice with two of them)...one that he claims he made love to...this was shortly after we got engaged and I was already planning our wedding...the others I am so ashamed to even mention...what he told me was horrible...made me sick and ashamed of marring someone that is sick in the mind and actions


dayum babydoll, why so vague, why not give them details...:lmao

[bigzak25]

i just threw that in there to see the responses...they made me laugh...mission accomplished...:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

It's not true - it's backpedaling.

http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/CJL/CJLRRACC.jpg
I think it's a little late for backpedaling...

[bigzak25]

Ladies and Gentlemen, you were all right...including my beloved wifey.

I was wrong...I am going to go find Duff now so we can kill ourselves together...blood in, blood out...

[Shelly]

Zak, my non-religous self hopes that Jesus AND God come to you tonight in your dreams and give you the ass kicking you oh so deserve.

In fact, I'll pray for it.

[Marcus Bryant]

OK, I just got back from dropping a big fat Duff in a porcelain bowl. What'd I miss?

[T Park]

Zak I think is trying to pass Duff up in being the biggest shitface on the message board.

[travis2]

They made you laugh.

You think this is all a big joke.


Let me tell you something...I do my damndest to never judge where anyone is in their marriage or their journey with Christ. But I can tell you that what you claim for either one has no apparent relationship with the real things.

[bigzak25]

In fact, I'll pray for it.


mission accomplished, part deux. :tu

[Mixability]

see sig...

[T Park]

I just got back from dropping a big fat Duff in a porcelain bowl

:rollin

[bigzak25]

TPark is smarter than he looks.

[Shelly]

mission accomplished, part deux. :tu


Not quite...because if being religous makes me act like you, I'll glady pass.

[CosmicCowboy]

Zach...if your religious and moral conversion is in fact real then you appear to be one of those unique individuals that actually appear to be more sane when they are stoned than when they are straight.

[tlongII]

My opinion is that Zak attended a 12-step program in Chicago for help in combatting a problem with alcohol and KGB. This would explain his contention that he is powerless and also supports his religious zealotry. There is nothing wrong with attending 12-step programs, they in fact do a great deal of good. However, they tend to brainwash people in the short-term. Zak will wake up eventually.

[Shelly]

CC, you keep temting Zak with JLH. You should be posting these types of pictures!

http://www.smokingwithstyle.com/Nugpics/newpic16.jpg

[Marcus Bryant]

So has Triumph asked for forgiveness from his woman?

[pache100]

I am not a marriage counselor, nor do I play one on TV.

But, did you stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night? That counts.

[King]

You say this it was all a big joke because you wanted to see the responses. Well, the responses you got is that a lot of people lost almost all of their respect for you. People don't risk that to 'see the responses,' so stop playing that card.

Admit you fucked up and you're still fucking up.

Everything you claim to be doing because of Him, is actually the exact opposite of what He wants you to do. You don't tear down someone to build them up. That's not your job. All you're doing is being a hypocrite, and moving farther away from God, when you think you're moving towards Him.

You don't know a fraction of what you think you know, and I guarantee any member of the clergy that you talked to would tell you that you're being an idiot with all of this.

If you're going to continue doing this to her and yourself, at least don't do it under the guise of Christianity. It's an insult to those of us that truly are trying to live for Christ.

[angel_luv]

If you're going to continue doing this to her and yourself, at least don't do it under the guise of Christianity. It's an insult to those of us that truely are trying to live for Christ.


I second that.

I know you are capable of true greatness Zac. It is truly sad to see you live as less than you are.
You and your wonderful wife are in my prayers.

[Useruser666]

......and you will no longer be an asshole. **snap**

[Extra Stout]

If Zak doesn't wake up really soon, he's going to be divorced, unemployed, and drowning in debt with no real plan and no place to go.

Maybe he really does have to hit rock bottom for reality to get through to him.

[T Park]

Hey, me giving up on the Spurs in the Finals??

That was just to see the reactions after I said "Fuck you Im stayin"

And no one believed me.

Why should they believe YOU, about something more serious, as the emotional damage your doing to your wife? The one you committed to in sickness and in health.

You have the mental problems scooter.

[Das Texan]

Hey, me giving up on the Spurs in the Finals??

That was just to see the reactions after I said "Fuck you Im stayin"

And no one believed me.

Why should they believe YOU, about something more serious, as the emotional damage your doing to your wife? The one you committed to in sickness and in health.

You have the mental problems scooter.


you are full of shit.

[ShoogarBear]

Who the fuck wants to be constantly compared to unattainable perfection that's not even real in the first place?

Are you saying the women in Maxim aren't Real Women?

[SpursWoman]

I think she made it pretty clear that it made her feel bad, so whatever.

[mouse]

Hey, me giving up on the Spurs in the Finals??

That was just to see the reactions after I said "Fuck you Im stayin"

And no one believed me.

Why should they believe YOU, about something more serious, as the emotional damage your doing to your wife? The one you committed to in sickness and in health.

You have the mental problems scooter.

And Kori and Bigzax still wonder why we don't forgive you?

how can we when you won't admit you fucked up? At least with Duff he is only 600 bucks away from having his reputation back, Your fucked for life :lmao

[KEDA]

At least with Duff he is only 600 bucks away from having his reputation back


ummmm, I think not

[samikeyp]

600 bucks won't save his busted ass reputation.

[Spurminator]

Wow... I can't believe it... This is absolutely insane...


I can't believe that Triumph is actually BigZak.

[Looter]

Wow... I can't believe it... This is absolutely insane...


I can't believe that Triumph is actually BigZak.

who did you think it was? Tony Montanna? :lmao

[samikeyp]

I thought it was Banjo Boy. :p

[nkdlunch]

Holy shit, I just read the thread in the Classics! Jim if I lived near SA, i'd be available to go "collect" your money.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Holy mother fucking BUMP!!

How in the hell did I miss this thread back in 05?? I remember the whole Jim vs Duff incident, but the whole Zak getting stripped of his manhood by his wife debacle... again, how the hell did I miss this meltdown?? I'm ashamed of myself :lol

I just got one question: Has BigZak's wife left him yet? if not, why??

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Survey SAYZ

Duff is gay.

[remingtonbo2001]

:wow What an interesting thread. ST had some issues back in the day.

[smeagol]

It was never moved to the Classic Forum . . . Mmmmmm?

I wonder why?

[50 cent]

Holy crap, this is some old shit here.

[mouse]

If only this topic could be merged with the Richer topic! :smokin

[Kori Ellis]

Holy mother fucking BUMP!!

How in the hell did I miss this thread back in 05?? I remember the whole Jim vs Duff incident, but the whole Zak getting stripped of his manhood by his wife debacle... again, how the hell did I miss this meltdown?? I'm ashamed of myself :lol

I just got one question: Has BigZak's wife left him yet? if not, why??

No ... they got it together, had a baby and are living happily ever after ;)

[peewee's lovechild]

Jim, how 'bout that loan?

I need to come up with down payment for a house.

[E20]

This thread looks really interesting and I can't believe I missed in in 2005. But there is no way I can read a 26 page thread.

[Kori Ellis]

This thread looks really interesting and I can't believe I missed in in 2005. But there is no way I can read a 26 page thread.


It's worth the read. The Zac/Wifey confrontation is :wow:wow:wow

[1Parker1]

If only this topic could be merged with the Richer topic! :smokin

:lol

This is a classic Spurstalk Club thread. It should be required reading to join the forum. :lol

[E20]

It's worth the read. The Zac/Wifey confrontation is :wow:wow:wow

That's what I wanted to read. The Duff/Jim Story arc I'm already well versed in.

Fuck it I'm gonna read all.

[E20]

double post

[E20]

triple post

[E20]

quadruple post

[E20]

quintiple post.

[mrsmaalox]

That's what I wanted to read. The Duff/Jim Story arc I'm already well versed in.

Fuck it I'm gonna read all.

Then tell the rest of us what page it's on.

[marini martini]

Then tell the rest of us what page it's on.

No shit!! I got to page 10, and I'm ready to:sleep

[E20]

I read the thread and I have two things to say.

1) Jim I can pay you back, I'll start with 100 dollars I won in vegas. I got a check for 425 dollars.

2) This whole thread should have never started, because if I were Jim and I wouldn't give a rat's ass if Duff didn't pay me back because I'm rich, I don't need the money and also I come looking like the good guy either way and duff looks bad. I aslo wouldn't care if I got played, I'd be mad at myself for being so naive on the net to giving money to a complete stranger and wouldn't do it again unless if I knew who the person was. At least Duff has paid back jim.


But I was glad the thread was started for the entertainment purposes and that everybody told Zak to straighten out his stuff with wifey and glad that was straightend out. :tu

[marini martini]

Then tell the rest of us what page it's on.

Oh crap!

Page 11:toast

[E20]

Then tell the rest of us what page it's on.

Whoops sorry didn't see your post I was to busy reading it. LOL

[td4mvp21]

:wow at the whole thread. How did I miss this?!?

[mouse]

I had no idea this was one of the topics that had the BigZax drama, can someone find the topic where he ask Kori to ban him?

[Steve Perry]

Where is the Angel_Luv vs Gattica cat fight topic?

[Kori Ellis]

Where is the Angel_Luv vs Gattica cat fight topic?

That was Ginofan vs Gatita, not Angel Luv.

[marini martini]

Great thread, after pg. 11 LOL! Some great advice and genuine concern for Zack & Wifey! Does Wifey still post here?

[BlackSwordsMan]

he ever get his money back?

[E20]

he ever get his money back?
Yes Duff paid him back sometime later IIRC.

[E20]

lol CuckingFunt has been readin this thread for like 15 minutes.

[CuckingFunt]

lol CuckingFunt has been readin this thread for like 15 minutes.

I'm also on the phone, so it hasn't been getting my full attention.

[marini martini]

Sheesh, CF! 15 minutes! Took me 1 hour & 15 minutes, WTF?

[tlongII]

No ... they got it together, had a baby and are living happily ever after ;)

BS

[marini martini]

Me 2. I agree!

[Trainwreck2100]

That was Ginofan vs Gatita, not Angel Luv.


The claws came out for that one

[Jimcs50]

:lol



I forgot about this thread. Who dug this up??? I think it is the only thread that was specifically for one person that made it over 700 posts that the person that it was intended for actually never posted a response in said thread.


I hope Zak and wifey resolved their issues.

:p:

[mouse]

I hope Zak and wifey resolved their issues.

:p:


If they don't, will you pay for the Divorce? :lmao

Jimc50 never did show proof that Duff paid him and it was rather odd how he posted the thank you Duff topic right around Xmas time when everyone was in the forgiving mood.

But I have to say I like Duff and he did not deserve to be put down in a public forum you two guys should meet in person like I do when Kori and LJ write me a bad check.

But at the same time props to Jimc50 for letting Duff off the hook if he did pay him or not. The 800.00 was a small price to pay for the entertainment we all enjoyed, that was priceless.
:toast

[Extra Stout]

The claws came out for that one
Did Gatita ever get that glass eye straightened?

[pickle girl]

See for yourself.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/RTM/gatica-eye.gif